Thread 33529713

Alright /fit/, I need the brutal truth. I’m a 45 y/o, 6’0, sitting at 195 lbs. Divorce is right around the corner and I want a full personal renovation. Not just a “get healthier” thing — I mean fastest, most extreme results possible.

Nothing’s off the table:
• Steroids / TRT / hormone therapy — worth it at my age for speed?
• Personal trainers / marathon gym sessions — how much volume can I realistically handle before it’s counterproductive?
• Style upgrades — tattoos, grooming, stylists, etc.
• Diet hacks — if I need to live on chicken, rice, and clenbuterol, so be it.

I’ve already made decent progress just grinding naturally, but I want to push the accelerator down and not waste time. My goal is simple: when I walk into a room, I want women to double-take. I want to become unapologetically fuckable.

So your goal is after getting divorced to then speedrun to paying alimony to another woman? lol

>>33529713 (OP)
Literally just start TRT, enjoy putting on muscle likes it's nothing, feeling like a God and having a libido that can outmatch any 20 year old girl

>>33529714
Look, you have no idea of what I'm dealing with here. Two years of forced celibacy in a dead bedroom with a wife with auto-immune issues.

So, why don't you STFU or provide some value here...your call.

>>33529716
I'll make sure to bully every boomer at my gym

TRTmaxx
Bang cardio and eat clean as possible and get 200g of protein
Invest in good fragrances

Are you handsome? Good finances?

AI slop post I shall not read anything that has these —

>>33529713 (OP)
>tattoos
I will give you the chance of roids, but pls do not jump on this shitty cliché of divorced dudes.

>>33529713 (OP)
Me personally, I would stay as natty as possible, simply because I don't want to long term problems. Besides, looking fuckable has less to do with being big, and more to do with being lean / athletic, so first and foremost, go to the gym + do cardio + healthy eating.

Second, you basically want to look like a fuckboy, without tryharding too much. But it still has to fit your looks. If you have a big back / V-shape im proportion to the rest of your body / waist, get clothes and a style that accentuates that.

A generic fuckboy look that still works at your age:
>Open button down shirt, with T-shirt beneath
>Fitting pants (not skin-tight, but skinny)
>some "barely noticeable" accessories, like a thin gold-chain, or a thin gold-chain with a cross or dog tags hanging off of it or some other bullshit + 1-2 bracelets
>expensive watch (no matter if fuckboy look or not)
You are not wearing the watch for women, but to socialize with other men more easily. Other successful guys also wear expensive watches. Get into contact with them through that. Successful men also often have a bunch of hot girls in their circle. More successful guys in your circle = more women to potentially fuck

Extras: Stylish Sunglasses / Glasses if that's your preference
A Cap makes you look younger / more relatable to young people / women (a good one, no cheap shit), especially if you're balding and don't shave it off, or are bald anyway

Also, don't fall for aonther girl like >>33529714
says, but embrace never being monogamous ever again and you might make it

>>33529713 (OP)
>middle aged
>45
Buddy you're two-thirds aged

But yeah, get lean and muscular. Do a lab test of your sex hormones, analyze it with chatgpt, if you have critically low T take TRT otherwise just stay natural.
Go to the gym 6x a week, do the reddit PPL.
Do zone 2 cardio (read: very very slow running) every day.
Buy yourself those IKEA meal prep containers and prep your lunch for the week on sunday. Makes calorie counting easy because you only have to do it once a week. There's a youtube channel called TheMealPrepManual that helps with this.
Aim for a 500-600kcal deficit.
Depending on how much of a fatass nigger you are, you can be in reasonably jacked shape within half a year.
Women don't care about muscle beyond the natty limit, it's a turn off for them. They care about you being lean and jacked.
And they care about your face. "Tattoos, grooming, stylists" bunch of faggy shit that nobody cares about. The thing that matters is that your face is lean enough and that you have hair. If you're a baldcel faggot get a hair transplant and hop on finasteride. If you still have hair hop on finasteride anyway.
Good luck.

>>33529713 (OP)
I think you're on the wrong path if you think more (extreme) is better. I don't have any issues with you going on TRT+ but if I was you I'd probably still only lift 4 days a week following a mostly basic program at high intensity and add a few cardio sessions. Once you got the test boost you won't need to watch your diet that much either. The style upgrades will mostly be just basics that fit really well. Depending on the state of your hair and skin there could be some routines you could add for a more youthful appearance.

>>33529722
45 is what people have meant by middle aged for like 50 years

>>33529718
I think I'm a good looking guy.
I'm a professional public speaker so I have good soft-skill.

I'm also debt-free and middle-class millionaire.

>>33529724
yeah well it's 2025 you're an oldtroon unc at by age 28

>>33529713 (OP)
>TRT
is enough
you're likely low test anyway then trt won't even have side effects

>Personal trainers
might be worth it for motivation and if you never been to the gym
also go to an upscale / luxury gym if you can afford it
you really don't want to lift next to zoomers

>Style upgrades
first go to a stylist and get a
>color analysis
they'll give you a color wheel / sample with which you can go shopping
then upgrade everything, from socks to shirts to sunglasses
having a coherent style is already better than 90% of men

>Diet hacks
just eat balanced and get enough protein
something like ~200g/day should be your goal
eat protein 30min before or up to 3h after your workout

>>33529722
>Buddy you're two-thirds aged
depends on what metric
most people have a rapid ageing phase between 50 and 60yo

for total lifespan it's roughly half though

>>33529722
>45
>Buddy you're two-thirds aged
Is 67.5 the average life expectancy there in India?

>>33529725
>middle-class millionaire
LOLWUT? Is this the new definition of not having big debts?

>>33529722
pretty much agree with all this except the hair shit. Paying all that money for a transplant and then taking a tranny feminizing drug is absolutely unacceptable for the sake of hair. If you are bald then just spend 300 bucks or whatever on a hair piece. Or make the best of being bald by tanning (enhance with melanotan2 if need be) and get a nice beard if you can.

>>33529730
No debts. None.
1m in stock options currently.
Not to mention equity in the house and the 401K, stock plans and other retirement savings....yeah, legit

>>33529731
Luckily I have a full head of hair, and my genetics should allow me to keep it all.

>>33529716
eh fuck it i'll bite. I'll assume you're starting from not doing anything

good news is you're at the sweet spot weight wise. can't speak to personal trainers but start doing StrongLifts 5x5 and couch to 5k. Do those programs for a month to set yourself a baseline for health as well as flexibility. 5ks are usually the distance for run clubs which could be good for social gains. Either continue doing stronglifts 5x5 for another month (i recommend three months if you have no lifting background) or switch to StrongLifts Plus for hypertrophy. You could do this with a personal trainer as well I guess, but again with your weight you're in the perfect spot where you probably won't blow out your knees while doing cardio and strength at the same time.

Get your t-levels checked. You want the full workout, they offer it at Quest. I don't know what to do with the results because I have beautiful hair and my levels are fine. Should probably use some steroids but I don't know which ones.

Style upgrades - don't get tattoos, that's going to reek of mid life crisis which you're going through. Go to the expensive haircut place near you, call ahead and ask if they do any kind of consult on what would look best for you. If you have any luck, this person will become the most important in your life.

Clothing - you want to look nice but not desperate during the week. If you're on a construction site, don't change into a three piece suit at 5pm to go out for drinks.

A big one you're missing is probably just basic social skills. It might be a bit dated but The Rules of the Game can help you start getting some basic communication skills back. I don't lean heavy into the PUA community but it is a classic. Find a sociable hobby or group, like a run club. Even if it's just to start.

Diet - meal prep. Learn to cook some chicken marinades and throw some frozen veggies in there. No soda. Watch it on the booze since you'll be going out more.

Anything else?

>>33529731
>Or make the best of being bald by tanning (enhance with melanotan2 if need be) and get a nice beard if you can
Peak redditor cope. Upload a selfie to r/bald too while you're at it faggot.

All "side effects" from finasteride are nocebo effects. You are essentially a fucking pussy and your delusions about fin are causing any issues if you do end up getting any issues.
Literally everyone with a modicum of sense takes fin. Male models like O'Pry and Lachowski take fin. Donald Trump himself takes fin. CBum takes fin. Literally everyone with nice hair takes fin you mongoloid.

Hairloss has been cured since decades ago and it's behind an IQ filter.

>>33529719
>he can't type – and —
lol
lmao even

>muh trt

bro you don't really have anything to lose might as well straight up get on fucking steroids. You have the money get monthly blood tests and stay on top of your health. But also who gives a fuck you don't wanna live forever

>>33529734

First off, Thanks.

Not a total noob to all the diet and lifting. Previously dropped 50+lbs multiple times with diet and exercise. My biggest problem is committing to a program, and not destroying my body so badly I'm too sore to train. Pacing myself is my downfall.

I just booked an appointment to get my hormone levels and genetic sequencing done.

I have multiple connections in the style and fashion industry. I also have a few gay friends who've always wanted to play "Queer Eye", so maybe it's time to call in a favor there too.

Won't be getting tattoos anytime soon, but it's just going to show the level of commitment I have here.

Clothing - See earlier comment about connections in style/fashion. Will call in favors. and get a stick-fix account.

I'm quite the social guy. I'm looking forward to actually getting out of the house more than once a month!

Thanks again for your input.

>>33529735
lol enjoy your feminizing tranny drug. One of my best friends literally got gyno from that shit. But even if you don't have such a major reaction, it is subtly feminizing your brain. You will be more anxious and neurotic and unhappy and beta. At the very least.

>>33529739
I'm getting DIVORCED.
I've been subtly feminized for almost 2 decades mydude.

>>33529716
So you're getting a divorce and maybe hoping on steroids because you're not getting enough head or tail from your (by the sound of it) terminally ill wife. Bro...
Just stroke ur shit, lmao. You're going to abandon your dying wife because you're horny?

>>33529716
>In sickness and in health.
Why are men so disloyal?

>>33529739
I've been taking it since four years and my natural T level is at 890ng/dl, essentially at top 5 percentile for my age group. My libido is so high that I have to supplement my sex life with gooning to satisfy myself.
Have fun being bald and avoiding the nocebo effects, retard.

>>33529713 (OP)
GOOD MORNING SIR

>>33529713 (OP)
>going to 4chan and telling bunch of gymcels you're having your mid life crisis
get a physical hobby or something. Start hiking or kayaking, meet some crunchy broad and treat her well

>>33529743
you are the retard bro. Finasteride raises testosterone levels because the test is not being converted to DHT and DHT is 5 times more androgenic than testosterone.

>gooning
looks like the tranny process is already underway

>>33529742
im vry loyal yes to you my dear pussy darling
forever with you always even if sick
im sick too, cant live without takin my meds your pussy juices are my meds yess
show me tits and vagene

>>33529742
Thanks for the attempted guilt-trip, but it won't work. 18 years of this, you have no idea. Thanks, but this is 4chan, I kinda expected that.

>>33529747
White woman here, my boyfriend is Indian. I must admit, Indian men are more handsome, intelligent, confident, charismatic and smell more nicer compared to the white guys

>>33529746
>Finasteride raises testosterone levels
Oh wow who would want to raise their T and also inhibit DHT (the sole hormone responsible for androgenic alopecia)
Geez you're such a genius! Nobody knew about this before!

Shave your hair, grow out a nice sóybeard and post a selfie on r/bald with your gaping mouth buddy. You sure showed le ebil pharma jews who's boss.

>>33529750
this is why I called you retarded. You can simultaniously raise your test while becoming less masculine. Because DHT is a far more potent androgen than testosterone. DHT does not only act in the scalp, it acts all throughout the body.

Also I am norwood 2 and in my 30s. Extremely normal

>>33529751
>dht is a far more potent androgen
Literal bullshit lmao. DHT is useful doing teenage development and puberty. You lose out on nothing by inhibiting it in adulthood and win everything.
>norwood 2
you're invisible to women

>>33529716
Relationship thread?
On my /fit/?
Naa

>>33529752
>You lose out on nothing by inhibiting it in adulthood

hysterical coping. I can see your brain has already been feminized beyond repair

>>33529742
This statistic is unsurprising. Men tend to not even want to put in the effort of being present for childcare, let alone caring for an adult. For instance 99.999% of dudes on /fit/ care only about being a father figure instead of being an actual father.
>inb4 incels can't even comprehend what I'm typing.
That said, caring for someone ill long term is really fucking rough, and taking a holier-than-thou stance when you can't even get a second date is absolutely pea-brained. You have no idea what it takes to make a long term relationship work and even less of an idea of how to make it work with hardships stacked on top of that.
>>33529713 (OP)
Don't go too hard on the roids. You still want your junk to work. Being lean-ish is 80% of the battle. You definitely don't need to be jacked and being super jacked limits your dating pool.
>>33529718
>Invest in good fragrances
No. Invest in good hygiene and skin care. Fragrances are shit.

>>33529755
>>33529713 (OP)
44, married with a kid, btw. She's also had long term health issues including what I suspect to be something degenerative with her brain (we are getting it checked out), which is doubly tough on her because she's an engineer.
I have no plans on leaving her but I understand that not everyone is me and continuing to support her is definitely not something just anyone, even exceptional people, can do indefinitely, especially with the prospect of it only getting worse.

>>33529755
Not only is the statistic "UNsuprising," given male nature, it completely ignores the idea that 80% DO stick around with their physically defunct wife. THAT is an actually surprisingly high percent.
Men stay out of loyalty.
Women stay out of fear.
And, go figure, 97% of women are afraid.

>>33529738
download the stronglifts app. you just start with the bar so it will probably take a few weeks for you to get too sore to train. in the meantime you'll get stretched out, which will be a nice springboard to anything else you want to do training wise.

def use those connections - worst case is you don't wear the shit.

also keep us posted in the monday indomitable spirit thread. good luck with everything fren

>>33529758
>op wants results
>he recommends stronglifts
fucking retard

>>33529742
Women don't "stay" out of love and caregiving. It's control. They previously had control through sexual manipulation, now it's medical manipulation. The doctors, the nurses, the medical staff can keep him away or at bay, she can leave and do anything she wants. She can visit and be seen as a "supportive" woman, a "loving" visitor who is a complete BITCH to hospital staff and screams and shouts and complains and writes reports and e-mails and makes calls about how awful her husband's staff is and how her husband isn't (somehow) the most important person in the 1,300 beds building with over 40 units and that people are clamoring to meet his every desire.

No, the wives tend to "stay married" to their hospitally ill husband because he is so weak and she is so much more powerful. It's practically thrilling. And it's emotionally thrilling, too.

Want the real "when" wives file for divorce? When he rehabilitates. Do
>2.9%
of women stay married when their husbands are at their peak? FUCK no.

>>33529713 (OP)
>I mean fastest, most extreme results possible.
Building muscle takes time, there is no fast extreme way to it, except for steroids. For your looks getting lean is probably the thing that is the fastest and gives the most benefit

>—
If you're this deep in the thread, this is your queue to leave

>>33529762
>>33529762
Yup. Agreed. I'm off to the gym. Thanks everyone. I appreciate all the input.

>>33529713 (OP)
You can get better advice on /fit/, I would skip tattoos though

>>33529716
I think you are a worthless jew and you should kill yourself immediately.

>>33529713 (OP)
>>33529716
>>33529748
>>33529755
>>33529756
huh, I don't know many old people, and the select few I know are very good people so I never understood the boomer meme. But holy fucking shit, sorry american-san, I understand now. There must be something in the water over there, or the fact that they grew up during the empire's peak is showing. If I would have to pick a term for how you carry yourself, It'd be
"The grandeur of being a loser"

genuinely demonic soulless nigger tier behaviour, kill yourself

you post on the wrong forum OP, the people here are virginal 20-somethings who think once they acquire one woman they will be forever happy and their girl's character will never change.

you are on the right track, yes, go get your hormones, get new hair in turkey, eat healthily and build some muscles. but most importantly, become interesting again, go out and do something for fun, just for yourself. if others tell you you have a mid life crisis, let them. after 10 years of marriage and doing literally nothing for fun after work except posting on 4chan I know I would have to get a new personality if I divorced and was looking for a new woman.

another option would be moving to SEA and finding a girl there.

For the love of God do not do Stronglifts or 5x5, these are programs designed to turn normal people into miserable gymcels. Also going 6x / week is way past diminishing returns.

You need a barebones ULxUxLx that gets you out of the gym ASAP. More important though is to lean out and that happens by planning an executing on a 500 cal/day deficit.

>>33529759
op is 45 and i recommended it as a starting point for a month.

>>33529722
Fuck you

>>33529866
NTA. I retired 5 years ago at 35 and have litterally spent all that time playing vidya and being on social media.
I used to be a beer rep, frat social chair. Now Im a loser with no friends(I do but see them 6 times a year due to kids). No idea how to get going again, especially in sobriety even though I got millions in the bank and nothing but free time.
Comfort truly is the ultimate final boss.

>>33529716
Why didn't you get fit for your wife? It's clear you don't expect other people to want your fat flabby ass, but you still cry about a dead bedroom. It's just bizarre to me that people stay disgusting slobs until they're divorced, and only then get fit so other people will want them.

>>33533184
not OP but how about you raise multiple kids while working full-time before lecturing others about getting fit? you have no idea how much time a family consumes

>>33535448
Then how come he has the time and motivation for it now? He said himself that his wife is (possibly seriously) ill, so he will likely get full custody. He won't be able to dump all the childcare onto his sick wife while he's out hunting for young poon.

>>33535491
kids get gradually easier to raise and are supposed to be functioning, self supporting adults by 18. what do you think a mid-life crisis is? it's when dudes finally get some free time when kids move out. it is also the reason why adults endure marriages and divorce late, for the kids sake.

>>33535448
>you have no idea how much time a family consumes

Nta but im newly married and just about to become a dad myself. I dont mean this personally, but I pray I don’t end up resenting time with family when im further into it like you have. Do you not remember your vows and seeing the first images of your child? Im not accusing you of being uncaring but genuinely, do those memories fade over time? Do they stop mattering? I know marriage aint this disney picnic with constant sentimental shit, but damn it man, seeing my kid in that first ultrasound moving around made me feel like i’d do anything for that kid. I’d protect it, die for it, even slowly suffer with hard work till im old and grey and tired for it to have a good life. Please tell me even that feeling doesnt get forgotten man. I dont care if honeymoon phase dies or if bedroom dies, but that feeling I felt for my kid that I saw in the womb i dont want that feel to die.

>>33535615
You don't. You just have a louder lizard brain becuase your more unappreciated, harder worked, and exhausted.
You are the same person with the same values sleep deprived... but you are not.

>>33535615
Not that anon, and I hope things work out for you, but what I've seen in myself and in my friends (mid 30s) is that once kids start popping out, the wife turns to "child-first" mode and it's like this weird insecurity thing where, if not every waking moment and every penny is spent on the kids, you have failed as a parent. I think you need to balance respecting your wife when she is tired or overworked but also nipping in the bud any bad or disrespectful behaviors. Obviously help out with child rearing but try to do it "your way", like changing the diaper becomes this big saga with you narrating the thing like a wildlife documentary, watching the kid becomes how high you can fling them (age-dependent of course), etc. Don't just docily participate in the acts because "youre forced to", but do it "your way".