Thread 21547641

august barbera d'asti pairings edition

Juice is for kids and girls just drink whiskey

I like this brand

>>21547991
is mexican wine good?

does appellation even matter for barbera? I'm not saying I've had every barbera but d'asti, d'alba, all tastes like barbera to me

>>21547641 (OP)
how do you appreciate wine because most of it taste the same to me?

>>21548484
I always thought Asti was a little more spicy and earthy than Alba which was more fruity and minerally

>>21548467
it's absurdly expensive for what it is but it's a reliable way to score hipster points, buy it for the double take when you say you had a mexican wine, because paying $40 for a $15 bottle of chardonnay that says "mexico" on the label is worth it to some people, don't get me wrong I love mexican stuff but there are limits

>>21548486
most of it does taste the same, that's why natty wine is so popular now, it democratizes the surprise aspect of wine tasting that rich people get to enjoy when they drop $2500 on a prized bottle of vintage whatever

your average international varietal made to the international style tastes exactly the same as 400 other brands of the exact same shit

>>21548486
Comparative tasting will help you understand some of the differences between wines. Having two or more wines next to each other can expand your palate as much as pairing wine with food

>>21548502
Oh hey you made it to paso robles. What does a private tasting run you at that spot?

>>21548509
$20-$50 but everywhere waived it when you buy a bottle or whatever. I'll post a bigger haul later, I think I came away with almost 3 cases.

>>21548524
damm that's a pretty good deal, last time I was in sonoma/napa I paid for a bunch of flights and then I paid again for the bottles, norcal wine tourism is such a fucking ripoff, europe >>>>> calitechbro crypto blockchain agentic AI disruption move fast and break things meme garbage (no offense to paso robles it sounds like you guys are arright)

>>21548530
ya central coast is the tits, I honestly might've liked Paso Robles more than Santa Barbara for tourism and tasting at vineyards. The people you interact with are much closer and involved in the actual wine making.

Alsatian Riesling time

opening 2014 Pessac-Leognan tonight

>>21547983
Whiskey is for girls, about time someone said it.

>>21549737
im a gurl and i agree, i luve whisky

>>21548484
That’s dolcetto. Barbera reflects terroir.

>>21549763
is this book good?

Nearby store just got in a case of this little beauty, Domaine Serol Eclat de Granite from a teeny tiny AOC, Cote Roannaise close to the Loire River. Gonna put a very slight chill on it and enjoy it this weekend with a roasted chicken that i got from a nearby farm

>>21549287
Lovely idea, I will open a 14 saint-estephe

>>21548546
Opened this lil nibba with a t-bone

>>21549819
is it like a Chinon?

>>21550011
>california red wine
>less than 14% abv
what's going on here? is california ok?

>>21550217
Not really - Chinon is Cab Franc while this one is a regional variant of Gamay (Gamay St-Romain). Less body, tannins and pepperiness, more red fruit/floral and acidity. Much more similar to a Cru Beaujolais. I do love me a good Chinon though

>>21548524
Did you make it over to Epoch?

Ahem

Double blind taste tests. That is all.

>>21549819
Good pick! I tried that exact Cuveé about a year ago and for the price it’s nearly unbeatable if you want meatier Gamay.
Also holy fuck why is every decent Fleurie so goddamn expensive now.

>>21550456
Tablas is biodynamic and probably doesn’t do yeast nutrient, the latter is how you get fucking 16%+ Godzilla juice that Californians seem to make for some reason. That and Mourvèdre doesn’t go super high alcohol unless you’re in a Mediterranean sub zone.

>>21550763
Hoppenot Fleurie Origins, if you can find it buy out all that your store has. Relatively young winemaker, he has parcels in Morgon and Fleurie. My shop has this one for just over $20/btl, and it's fucking amazing.

>>21550855
Thanks for the recommendation! I think it’s in stock in Quebec (im from just outside of Toronto, Canada) so I’ll keep it in mind next time im up that way.
If you’re looking for similar value stuff like the Serol anon, look up Azalée from Domaine Lombard. Really quality Syrah grown in the Drôme appellation near Saint-Peary thats super inclined and rocky like Côte-Rôtie and can be found for under $30 USD. Also another wine I wish I got a case of.
Also for this anon >>21550217 if you want amazing Loire Cab Franc try Stéphane Guion in Bourgueil. His wines are so clean.

>>21550758
No, still need to do Epoch and Linne Calado or whatever that producers name is. Did get my hands on a few Saxum tho

>>21551317
And a Turtle Rock that someone apparently gave 100 points. Kinda liked the Saxum G2 more

>>21551317
>15.9% ABV
nature is healing

>>21551317
>ALC. 15.9% BY VOL.
the european mind cannot comprehend this

>>21550938
Thank you wine anon, I have some inside contacts so I'll poke around their distributor portfolios for that. My little wine rack is mostly light to medium body reds, a pet nat, and a couple dessert wines - i need to add a few dinnertime reds to it.

Got me literal bottom shelf Italian Plonk from Aldi. I'mma drink it chilled from the fridge. And maybe drop a couple of ice cubes in it if it's too acidic.

Got a bottle of this hitter shitter for <5€ it had the gold medal Lyon sticker.
Used it to poach plums for a pavlova, no complaints on my behalf.
Got another bottle today to poach figs fo my 'za.

https://www.ivinio.com/en/product/chateau-david-beaulieu-bordeaux-superieur-red/

Thinking Timorasso tonight.

>>21551478
? most Ports are higher ABV than that you fat shart retard

just opened an 8.5% ABV kabinett from a VDP grosse lage and now I am as happy as a little girl judging you americans and your comically high alcohol jet fuel, perhaps you could try planting at a higher altitude if you are having the ripeness much too early? ihr habt Berge, ja?

>>21551861
Saxum isn’t fortified like port

>>21551861
you should learn more about wine before getting this mad

>>21551317
>15.9%

Why didn’t anyone tell me that Aligoté was actually good?

>>21553107
who even makes single varietal aligote wine?

>>21553356
isn't there an entire appellation in burgundy devoted to aligote?

>>21553356
Tons of top winemakers in Burgundy do Aligote now cause sourcing Chardonnay has become stupid expensive. Same reason why they’re doing Alsatian Pinot Noir and Beaujolais cru negociant wines now.

I arrived at wine after a history of snobbing over tea, coffee, and beer. With those I can usually tell whether it's gonna be good or not when I pick it out -- and when I'm wrong it'll at least be drinkable -- but with wine it always feels like a complete coin-toss whether any bottle I buy will be great or terrible, even when they have the same origin, grape, and processing. And don't get me started on how many winemakers don't even tell you many of those specifics on the bottle or their websites.
How do I stop being stupid and shop wine good?

>>21554022
It would help to know what you're drinking. How do you know the processing was the same? How do you even know the grapes were the same?

American wines can be pretty unpredictable because labeling rules are very permissive, for example america has a fetish for varietal wines because of a local perception that blends are inferior, so wines tend to be sold by a grape type, but the thing is, you can sell a "pinot noir" that's 25% syrah and that's perfectly legal, americans will buy it while turning up their nose at wines labeled as blends.

European wine labeling can be difficult to decipher at first but if you have a wine that you like from a certain area, just try other wines from the area and read a little on what the words mean, eventually you'll get a clearer picture of what's going on and how much certainty there will be from bottle to bottle.

>>21554042
I like sweet and fruity whites, and mostly buy from Italy and Germany. Asti Moscato is a fairly sure shot, because their processing and varietals are protected, but other things only sometimes elaborate on such details. I've had, for example, a bunch of Mosel Rieslings, but they're so wildly unpredictable.

>>21554073
What threw you off with mosel? Was it the sugar levels?

It would probably be a good idea to read up on the German classification schemas and just memorize most of the words because it's indecipherable if you don't, but predicting what a German wine will taste like (roughly) is fairly straightforward once you get the hang of it. And if you're mostly after sweet stuff you're looking at the right place because they're pretty specific about that stuff.

Like just memorize about 20-30 german wine terms and you're good to go. You probably don't even need that much, just learn kabinett, spatlese, auslese, beerenauslese, and trockenbeerenauslese, and don't worry about all the VDP stuff unless you want to go full autist.

>>21554097
Some of the mosels had high sugar content but lacked any other flavour, while others had rather little sugar but somehow tasted even sweeter while still having a balanced bouquet.

>>21554119
I see. I think you're at a point where you just need to remember the producers you like. There's heuristics like did they name the vineyard, does the bottle have an eagle on the foil cap, or a gold stripe, things like that, but I've had pretty good rieslings that failed one or more of these tests. Though I can't remember a case where it passed the test and was no good.

Maybe I just have lower standards than you.

>>21554149
>I think you're at a point where you just need to remember the producers you like.
Yeah, that's what I've been thinking too, but I hate the idea of being locked-in like that.
Thanks for the try, anyway, I've been hoping for a thread such as this.

>>21554073
German labels are fucked.

Negroamaro for me this evening, what a fabulous varietal.

>>21554540
I feel like someone is pushing southern shitalian wine really hard lately and I don't know if I should fall for it, my recollection of it is that it's fruit forward, low acidity, the wine equivalent of a 35 year old single mom on tinder who is kinda fat but you can tell she used to be hot and you know she'd be grateful for the sexing but you just can't bring yourself to go through with it because you know those pics are extremely flattering and she's probably not as hot in real life

>>21555012
sounds like you'd be into Primitivo Salento. they make some nicer elegant ones these days that're fruit forward, lower acid, doesn't have that bitterness you can sometimes get from Primitivo, but like Cali red zin it's usually pretty spicy and hot.

>>21555012
because it's affordable and good for summer reds. it's like when you do go for porking that 40yo recently divorced milf because she's easy and you it's been awhile since you had good sex

>>21555254
I think either I suck at writing or you suck at reading because from my pov low acid is pretty much the worst thing I can say about a wine

>>21555301
That's more aligned with what I was thinking, not something I'd reach for if I was feeling remotely picky but maybe something I'd try to scratch the "need something different" itch and I don't care if it's good as long as it's different and not overwhelmingly repulsive

>>21555381
No my reading comprehension skills are poor. Get etna rosso if you want low fruit, high acidity, high minerality and earthiness, Pinot like softness.

>>21555408
*specifically northern facing etna rosso, the southern ones can sometimes be very ripe and fruit dominant

>>21555412
>>21555408
I tried a $25 etna bianco a couple a weeks ago and while it was "fine" (better than the average entry level shitalian white) for the money I'd rather a pecorino or arneis. So I'm kinda wary of the etna rossos since the entry level wines are like $30+ here and I'm trying to be frugal because AI is coming for my jerrrb

>>21555437
true, you can still get good Salice Salentino under $15 or some of the weirder Sangiovese you can get out Sicily, Puglia and Calabria are better QPR but risk being jammy and overripe. Unfortunately the nice and elegant Frappato and Nero D'Avola are no longer cheap and are as expensive as Cerasuolo Di Vittoria.

>>21555445
It's all Arianna's fault for memeing it up to the consumers of Greater Anglophonia

>>21555456
Many such cases

chicken and rice for dinner and I've only got one bottle I'd be willing to open with this and it's a kakheti saparavi qvevri. far from optimal but I don't want to crack open anything nice or rare. please motivate me to get off my ass and go to the wine store before they close, /ck/

pic related

>>21555853
go get barbera d'asti fym

>>21555886
too late I already opened the saparavi so it's ready when the chicken is done. this actually should work well I think, despite the intense purple the tannins are oddly delicate. a good reminder not to make rash assumptions based on color

with smashburgers tonight

i sipped a bottle of spoiled wine and now i realize that vinegar is much better to drink than dry wine

i sipped a bottle of spoiled wine and now i realize that vinegar is much better to drink than sweet wine

Gros plant du pays nantais this evening

>>21555456
Occhipinti is overrated as fuck and it makes sense given the yields.
If you want better Nero D’Avola that isn’t mid try Giovanni Sallemi.

another sub 5€ hitter shitter for tonight's 'za pairing a 2023 Giordano Primitivo di Manduria

>>21557123
Yeah but she's a grill and I'm thirsty so when I drink her wines it's like I'm tasting her soul. Remember when geordi laforge used the holodeck and starfleet personnel records to make a deepfake of the lady who designed the enterprise to help him fix a problem and he developed a weird romance fantasy about how when he worked on the engines he was working her engine but it wasn't like overtly sexual, which inadvertently made it even weirder when he got caught? That's how I feel when I drink occhipinti's wine.

It's a thing we have, Arianna and me, you wouldn't understand mom, it's not what you think, you just don't get it, leave me alone!!!

>>21557123
i like their frappato im ngl

$5 Trader Joe's Barbera D'Asti time

For me, it’s Txakolina

Cheers, to /ck/!

>>21558309
cute twinkhon

>>21557247
I know you’re trolling but that entire post is very gay.
If you want wine made by a woman who actually makes shit that tastes good try l’Octavin from Jura or La Araucaria from Tenerife.

Always thought alcohol was just liquor and beer, thinking wine was just dinner drink stuff.
Turns out red wine is my druk.
Feels good man.
Cheers

Rice wine?
Captcha: GAWNK

>>21547641 (OP)
I once heard that wine pairings are merely suggestions, do you agree, /ck/?

>>21559089
No, last time I paired a cabernet with fish the court of master sommeliers sent me a summons and I had to spend $15k in lawyer fees

>>21559089
You wouldn’t download a wine pairing

>>21559072
the apple watch ruins the mood, it should be a japanese watch

>>21560144
okay, i'll let them know

unoaked santa barbara chard this eveneing

>>21560692
guys this is good

Anyone have pasta recipe recommendations that go well with (red) wine? I'm thinking of doing a pasta night for my family in a couple of days, something veggie/saucy/cheese heavy (maybe with chicken too but not sure yet, probably not because I've been a lazy fuck recently).

Probably going to open up a Xinomavro bottle, they all liked that the last time.

>>21560893
Haven't had xinomavro yet but I was told it was like Etna Rosso. I'd recommend Puttanesca and some tube shaped pasta. funghi risotto. maybe like a lighter lamb or rabbit ragu sauce if it's a heavier style that i'm unfamiliar with.

>>21551317
>15.9

opening frog's leap merlot

2015 bottle of Tapiz Black Tear's Malbec. I wander away from Malbec to try other shit, and then a few bottles later find myself annoyed that whatever it is isn't Malbec. Idk why nobody ever suggests these, they're delicious.

we live in a world of pinot philes and nebb heads, which are you?

>>21561432
Pinophile here, I tried Weingut Stigler's 2013 Freiburg Schloßberg Spätburgunder Weißherbst Beerenauslese last week, does that count?

>>21561971
yes it does

Gruner Veltliner for lunch today

>>21562563
Never understood that stuff, what am I missing

>>21562834
A salad, fat ass.

>>21561376
Malbec kinda got a raw deal in terms of reputation because its popularity bubble in the '00s coincided with the tail end of the public's affection for a certain style of red wine. So when the argentine malbec bubble started to deflate (as any varietal fad will), wine fashion was also rejecting all red wines of that style, so the big bold wine bust hit malbec harder than most. So trendy people basically just pretended it didn't exist for a long time.

But the pendulum is swinging the other way as consumers are tired of austerity and "restraint" so I expect a malbec renaissance, expect it to become fashionable again as zoomers seek something that upsets their parents.

>>21562837
Isn't that what picrel is for?

>>21562893
nah that shit just tastes like plastic

>>21562903
Are you saying that's good or bad?

>>21562925
meh, a little plastic is okay. i want gruner veltliner's green veggies, green beans, artichoke, green olive, green nuts and seeds

Steen time

Nero d'Avola tonight with vegetarian (kidney bean) chili. Breddy gud t b h. Not really a fan normally but its a fit.

wine is shit and tastes like vinegar, no matter the price
just drinks spirits with your choice of mixer

saxum is just a shittier sine qua non yet oddly the same price

>>21560756
it's the best chardonnay you can get for the money, yes
for me, I'd spring for Brewer-Clifton if you have some extra dollars

>>21563610
im going to santa barbara in the fall next, that was on my list, you think it's better than saxum? give me a label or vintage to check out

>>21563613
you won't be able to get into SQN unless you know someone
Andremily is the next big thing and is still affordable by comparison, the winemaker used to work for SQN
I'll give you a bonus, L'Aventure beats pretty much everything in the luxury price bracket for the money just because it's in Paso instead of Napa

>>21563616
I know a guy that will get me a tasting appointment and sell me SQN by the half case but it would significantly cut into my nebbiolo budget. L'Aventure is also expensive and some reviews questioned the price so I didn't plan a visit to the vineyard, went to Clos Selene instead and signed up for their wine club. I'm drinking Herman Story's second label right now picrel.

>>21563613
>>21563616
Male wine drinker here. It’s funny buying a good Bordeaux. I usually get asked who I’m buying it for, Wife? Mother? Sister? Surely it can’t be for yourself. Then when I tell it’s for me, I get a shocked look. They recover and decide to ‘play along’ with me. Then they start telling me lots of things I know I about wine. It’s at this point, if I can be bothered, I go through their shelves and tell them all the ones I’ve tasted and why I like them or not. Which regions I prefer, big up Marlborough, and why I’m not a fan of Californian and 100% prefer Spanish. Now is when I think they feel bad. Because they always offer me loads of samples. I can usually free taste like 4/5 different ones min on every visit. Having said that met a really nice man last time through the airport who was giving out Schlumberger samples. We had a great chat. He was awesome. Now girls at bars when you order a large white find you immediately intriguing. They watch you take a sip. I think they are waiting to see if you make a face. When you look pleased then they have their in to strike up a conversation. I don’t know a lot of other male wine drinkers but I wish I did. I can only go on so many tasting sessions with girls.

you guys ARE drinking from a cup right?

>>21563633
Of course.

>>21563633
duh

I’ve just been drinking Jacob’s creek people say it’s bad cheap shit but I like it. I also like the taste of steel reserves though so idk

You DO have at least one vertical spanning 3 years or more, right anon?

>>21563612
i didn't like their pinot, i preferred tyler, sea smoke, bonaccorsi, paul lato, sandhi for st.rita hills pinot noir. it is a good chadronnay tho

>>21563697
also our lady of guadalupe

>>21560893
Sounds like chicken fettuccine alfredo is what you’re aiming to make, if you decide to do that id say go Aussie Chardonnay for a white (Margaret River or Yarra Valley are solid picks, more so anything below 13% ABV for the former) and light Sangiovese or carbonic Gamay for the red. Heck if you end up finding a Pelaverga wine from Piedmont I’d say that might be a fun pairing as well.

>>21563697
Never had the Pinot from Sandhi but their Chardonnay is hands down the best I’ve had from California. Super pure and oily and isn’t overextracted or overoaked like basically every other Cali Chard.

>>21564307
>overoaked like basically every other Cali Chard
Where do you live? Unoaked chardonnay is pretty much all you ever see anymore out of california unless you go out of your way to source some exotic throwback bottles like rombauer, the market is oversaturated with the stuff, like mediocre orange wine from portugal and spain

thinking verdicchio

>>21547641 (OP)
Nero d’Avola with Pizza tonight

>>21561052
Not familiar with Etna Rosso but the tube shape pasta seems to be the right idea

>>21564301
Actually decided on a creamy tomato base pasta, I was thinking about sangiovese but parents dont seem to like it as much.

From today's haul, lads and lasses

>>21566027
got that total wine deal?

>>21566103
got some off yeah

>>21566107
good luck

>>21566027
how much do you drink in a day?

>>21568045
bout tree fitty

just had the first drinkable barolo from the 2018 vintage last night

In Montreal for the weekend, anybody know anything about East coast Canadian wine here? I've seen it in a few shops now.

>>21568876
Les Pervenches

It’s my birthday today, what should I drink today? Only rule is no bubbles

>>21568605
Is barolo more tame than barbaresco? I was led to believe it was going to be shitty unless I sat on it for like 10 years but I tasted a barolo for the first time the other day (2021 from vietti) and it was less aggressive than most of the barbarescos I've had (can't remember the names). Is my mouth broken?

>>21570721
They can be. Totally depends on if the producer is using traditional techniques that make really austere and tight bottles that are practically undrinkable on release and need decades+ aging, or if the producer is more modern and trying to make a Nebbiolo that’s more approachable and drinkable at launch. There is some variation in Barbaresco for sure (picrel 2019 Barbaresco I had at thanksgiving 2024 and was honestly a couple years too young) but it’s nowhere near as extreme as Barolo. Look up “Barolo Wars” if you want to know more about the whole Modern v Traditional styles. Personally, I’m a traditionalist and don’t mind waiting as I have the cellar space to lay down some bottles.

>>21570721
>>21570765
Plus, Vietti does both the modern and traditional stuff so it’s not crazy that you could drink something nice from 2021. The 2018 I had the other day is from a modern producer with a few traditional tweaks. I guess not that dissimilar from Vietti in philosophy.

>>21568876
Pinard et Fils is the flagship Quebec natural wine and it’s surprisingly great. Definitely try their Brutal it’s one of the best wines I’ve ever had from Canada.
Also what >>21569399 said and maybe try Lieux Commons

>>21571455
Noted. Going to a high end natty wine bar this evening so I’ll keep my eyes peeled.

>>21547641 (OP)
Just bought a set of Stölzle Lausitz glasses (white, burgandy, Bordeaux, flame decanter). Did I screw up by not getting basic bitch Riedel stemware?

>>21548486
I try to explore a different region every time I go on vacation. You really start to understand how soil and climate shape the different grape choices and ultimately the cuisine of an area (think of how arbois goes so well with comté or how a corbiere meshes perfectly with an aligote).

You can even go cider/Calvados tasting in Normandy and the food will pair perfectly with the apple flavors of the local drinks. It's uncanny and amazing.

Basically to learn, buy a Larousse Grand Vin encyclopedia, build a small cellar, and pair every meal you make with a bottle. You'll see the light after a few months (that is: you can be a degenerate alcoholic and still appear sophisticated with wine).

>>21550938
>Toronto
Always surprising to see anyone local leaf in some of these small generals
>>21561432
Pinot. When it hits it's better than anything else.
>>21571847
Probably fine. Expensive glasses don't really matter (I own speigelaus).

>>21571852
Everything tastes better on vacation
Just saying

>>21572304
Not true, whenever i travel to the US their food tastes terrible. Don't even get me started on their beer and wine.

>>21572304
Eh yes but only a little bit. When you’re going wine tasting at multiple vineyards and you’re tasting upwards of 50 different wines across a few consecutive days your palate is going to get really dialed in. Also this >>21572351 every time I’ve vacationed anywhere in Florida outside Miami the food has been terrible.

>>21572365
>>21572351
Why would you go on vacation to Florida though, how disgusting

>>21572542
Unfortunately I have family there.

>>21571455
>>21569399
Tried picrel and took notes.
> - hazy straw. a yellowish gold orange hue to it. Natty nose. A little saison-y but it’s uhh not bad. Hay and wheat and Barnyard nose with lemon. Lemon salt on the palate. Mineral. Mouthwatering acidity. Initial slight effervescence when poured. Soft with a slightly slightly tingly effervescence you can detect on the midpalate into the finish (by the second glass it dissipated). A bit orangey skin contact thing on here for sure. Not too natty but not sure if it’s my style, in its defense it does unfold in the glass. Nose shows herbs and the palate becomes pleasingly metallic with coins, copper, nickel on the finish. Paired with duck leg confit, salad, fingerling potatoes, really brought out the minerality and more elegant complex notes. Had with lunch at Leméac in Montreal. With some time in the glass it gets less hazy. Nose cleans up and shows wild floral notes, palate gets stone fruit, peachy, underripe peach. By the last glass the nose was mineral forward and palate was all coins, mineral (chalky? Slate?), peaches and lemon, in that order.

why is french wine so overrated?

Yup tonight

>>21572918
It’s just so expensive

>>21572918
these kinds of posts would carry more weight if the poster was capable of discussing wine beyond "muh judgment of paris" but if you ask them their opinion on specific wines they invariably show themselves to be completely ignorant of wine regions that aren't napa, bordeaux, or burgundy (the regions listed in the judgment of paris wikipedia)

even a simple, completely subjective question with no wrong answer, like "what wines do you like", they'll either not respond or they'll name some shit they googled

like can any of these judgment of paris spergs tell me with a straight face that they like italian pinot grigio more than alsatian pinot gris? would they even know what those are?

>>21572956
Cru Beaujo fren

>>21572966
Haven’t gotten into those yet, have a slight obsession with lower loire gros plant and melon at the moment

>>21572296
I want to like Mullineux but I’ve never been impressed by their stuff. The Syrah is okay but Reyneke does a similar style better for cheaper and is certified biodynamic. Same with anything from David & Nadia.
>>21572897
Thanks for the notes! Maybe it’s me but I find Quebec is the opposite of Ontario where the acidic reds and whites are far better in Quebec where more textural whites like Chardonnay and Viognier do better in Niagara and PEC.
>>21572918
Because hype drove the QPR above reasonable limits for most producers who are worth trying.

Etna Rosso tonight

21 year old merlot for $12 at a hole in the wall liquor store middle of nowhere (pop 250).
Dust on the bottle, bunch of cats lounging in the warm evening with kids playing down the street.
Got two more like it.
New wine drinker so this will be the oldest I've had so far, will see how it is.

>>21573864
If that shit isn’t more dead than Jimmy Carter’s corpse I’d be shocked

>>21573976
Yeah shit's gross lol.
turns out old is not good.
Has a full body with notes of dead ants

>>21572918
>why is french wine so overrated?
>>21572956
>It’s just so expensive
>>21572966
>Cru Beaujo fren
>>21573161
>Because hype drove the QPR above reasonable limits for most producers who are worth trying.

Mixing cheap red and cheap white together makes both taste decent desu. I'm only just starting out buying wine and this is a useful lesson I think.

>>21574721
Cheap red just tastes decent period imo

>>21574721
chad move. mixing bottles at home can get you in trouble with the criminal justice system and the /ck/ mods and anything that riles up the normies this much has got to be a good thing

Just had a cider. No idea how anyone drinks this swill

New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc tonight

For some reason I've got it in my head that I should tear into this pomerol bottle I have lying around but I should probably just drink the rest of the barbera and go to bed like a responsible person

>>21575949
Just open it pussy. Finish the Barbera over the coming days

>>21548486
>>21548496
Wine only tastes generally the same if it's from the same category. White wine tastes nothing like Pinot Noir tastes nothing like Riesling tastes nothing like Syrah tastes nothing like Chardonnay.

>>21575722
You need to visit Normandy in order to appreciate cidre, pommeau, and calvados

>>21547641 (OP)
how do you anons feel about box wines? are they worth it at all?

>>21548546
In my mind Santa Barbara is the better tourist destination in terms of attractions and shopping but for a pure wine experience it will be totally inferior to a place synonymous with wine like Paso Robles. Paso Robles would be an excellent day trip from there, I think im going to go do this

>>21576160
No. They're not even wine. Just water, alcohol and artificial flavours. Most supermarket-tier "wines" are like this - same applies to beer and liquor. Life's too short to waste it on swill. Drink one good bottle instead of 15 bad ones.

>>21576160
Lol they get me in trouble a few times a year.

>>21576201
Whats crazy is how you can bargain hunt wine, you can find solid or even great wines for 2-9 dollars a bottle (Vons clearance can be a gold mine).

Why anyone would buy boxed shit over something with a location associated with it is beyond me, unless your only goal is to get fucked up, which is even better with decent

>>21556073
This is what making your own sauces is for. Welcome to the club

>>21560893
Assassin Pasta and something very nasil-y with the chicken.

>>21576023
True, I guess the new world shit is just piss

>>21575949
Save the pomerol for the weekend

>>21576349
American everything is always too sweet.

>>21576364
It was québécois actually, tasted like rotting spoiled apples.

>>21576175
Do a weekend trip. There’s enough restaurants in town to keep you very well fed for a few days. Hit a different AVA each day. Willow creek was my favorite.

>>21575999
thank you captain pedantic for clarifying that syrah tastes more like syrah than it tastes like riesling

Any xinomavro producer I should be looking out for? Haven't tried that varietal yet but I hear good things.

>>21576885
I look at greek wine labels the way white flyover folk look at oriental restaurants. like yeah, on some level I understand there's probably a lot of meaning in those words, and I should be able to infer genre, style, price point, implied level of prestige, and so on, just with my eyes

but every time I start thinking "I should educate myself on this topic" it's like I hit a brick wall because any store I go to is going to have like 1 xinomavro and 2 assyrtikos and 1 malagousia if I'm lucky, so what's the point of learning if I don't get to choose? it's like when caitleigh mcwhitebread goes to the restaurant strip in zionsville looking for the new boba tea and finds it at the combination korean wings/pho/teppanyaki restaurant (run by ecuadorians), I'm stuck in a greek wine desert but moreover I lack a broad enough perspective to even know what I'm missing

Is it safer to put my wine glasses in the dishwasher or is that just what the glass man says so I’ll eventually have to buy more glass ?

>>21577005
I was breaking wine glasses at a rate of about 1 every 12 months until I fell for the dishwasher meme, haven't had a breakage in 5 years

>>21576379
Most Quebec cidre is made with dessert apples AKA apples that aren’t suited for dry cider. Maybe give Clos Saragnat a shot.
>>21576885
Thymiopoulos probably make the best Xinomavro that gets exported to wider markets.
>>21577005
Look up the manufacturer recommendations and find out. Odds are if it’s a stem glass it’s better to handwash.

>>21547641 (OP)
>blocks your path

>>21577069
16%, and it's still a sweet wine? Something isn't adding up here

>>21577283
pomegranate, they ain't gotta explain shit

>>21577284
They've been robbing motherfuckers since the slave ships with the same clip and the same 45?

Primitovo with pork fennel sausage and roasted sweet mini peppers tonight

Schramsberg Blanc de Blancs with Indian food tonight

>>21577069
wtf are you wearing?

Need a football wine for tomorrow, any suggestions? Pairing with cheeseboard, nachos and buffalo wings.

>>21547641 (OP)
I dont know wine really but have followed these rules for years and theyve never failed me
>reds from france
>whites from italy
>south america is a gamble you’ll usually lose
>california is utter shit
Am i right?

>>21578217
>reds from france
you can get absolutely torched on french reds, they're some of the worst QPR in the wine market post-pandemic above a certain price point, which is why prices just continue to climb for burgundy.
>whites from italy
bravo
>south america is a gamble you’ll usually lose
it is a gamble but the stakes are so low that it's worth it. same goes for spain imho. however, portugal is almost always worth the gamble.
>california is utter shit
If I didn't live on the west coast I would agree with you, I wouldn't blame Europeans for holding this belief either. Cali makes so much shit and the good producers are often so few and far between that they can get away with charging unreasonable prices because of how weak the domestic competition is at the moment. Even most Cali wines that are worth seeking out and paying a premium for are an acquired taste in their own right. Cali is in the same tier as Aussie wine, for better or worse. Once Washington Cabs start getting the recognition Oregon Pinot receives, Cali wine will have a renaissance; all the exciting shit I get from California these days are from people planting Spanish and Italian varietals and all those wines are still hovering in that super niche somm cult status.

>>21578176
Carbonic or lower ABV (sub-13%) Syrah for red, dry Riesling for white.

>>21578217
>reds from france
Just randomly picking a red wine from "france" and you could get pretty much anything, stylistically, so this is a strange one. Other anon has a point on QPR, I'm somewhat price sensitive and france is maybe 10% of my purchases these days if that. I think they tend to do better than most countries when it comes to blind buying a bubbly but for red? It's just odd. I'd probably have gone with italy on "pick a random red", maybe austria
>whites from italy
Inexpensive white wine from italy is pretty bad, if I was blind buying white wine on a budget and I had to settle for random, I'd go spain or portugal. Of course like anywhere they make good stuff if you spend more
>south america is a gamble you’ll usually lose
Bit harsh but I'll allow it. I think blind buying torrontes could serve you alright but if we're just doing any wine at random from the whole continent, sure, there's a lot of mediocre to bad
>california is utter shit
Also a bit harsh but I'll also allow it. Like italy is with white wine, except for all the wine. Inexpensive california wine is usually atrocious. Some of the expensive stuff too. If you do your homework and aren't too price sensitive, obviously, like anywhere, you can get good stuff

>>21550011
Tablas is great

>>21578739
gracias

>>21578891
Came away with a case. Their house style is great. Haven’t tried the Le Complice or Panoplie yet, no idea if and how long to age them.

>>21579425
Picrel

>>21579431
signed up for Clos Selene wine club as it’s only 6 bottles every 6 months. Picrel was the vineyard haul minus the cab+syrah blend that was excellent

>>21579435
The 2024 vintage was excellent for whites and pinks

>>21579439
Hauled a case of Clesi and signed up for their wine club. Very affordable and would recommend to anyone into trying new world Italian varietals.

Albariño time

>>21547983
Whiskey is such a try hard faggot drink

Mosel moggs

>>21579815
Don't get me wrong I think mosel wine is delicious but be honest with me now, are you drinking scharzhof every day? Because it seems to me there's a halo effect going on where people think every random kabinett from there now needs to come with a 300% markup because a tech bro from shenzhen paid $10k for a bottle of egon muller

>>21579445
Hmm interesting

Cabernet, now.

for me its

For me it's JJ Prum

I want to gift my family wine they'll really enjoy but I don't drink it myself. Is there a good way to sample a bunch of stuff without spending shitloads, or types of wine I can't really go wrong with?

>>21547641 (OP)
>>21547991
>>21582065
>For me it's brand X wine
That's not how wine production work
If you buy wine from a big label (aka all export ones) they are sourcing the grapes from many local vinyards

>>21582603
I mean it literally says "graacher himmelreich" on the bottle but they must be lying because wine is a scam

>>21582603
You are far less intelligent than you believe yourself to be.

>>21579431
The Panoplie has always been my favorite but they all have been rock solid.

>>21582657
the germans probably not, can't say the same about the italians
>>21582661
you clearly don't live around vinyard farms

>>21582738
my parents live in a commodity fruit growing region, which I guess in your world means I'm uniquely aware that mass agriculture is a thing, unlike most people who think fruit comes from the store (?)

doesn't mean single-site wine is not a thing, it's just not something most people are interested in spending the extra money on

>>21582738
The closest vineyard is 150 meters away from my house. Like i said, you are far less intelligent than you believe yourself to be.

>>21582851
you sound like a butthurt larper that got called out

>>21582885
Whatever helps you cope, retard.

>>21582885
you need to learn to accept defeat gracefully

So the wine I used to use for general cooking had been discontinued. Friends told me to buy boxed wine, specifically, La Vieille Ferme Rose. Can't find it boxed locally. Three French Hens rose any good for this purpose?

>>21582603
Just bought this export big label wine
How'd I do?

>>21582603
That entirely depends on the producer anon. Most export wine I buy are from estate wineries that do their own growing.
Hell Tarlant is a major inexpensive champagne yet they own and farm all their own vineyards unlike Moet or Veuve Cliquot.

>>21582938
No. Don't cook with rosé. It's a costly fad outside of southern France. Get a decent German Riesling, a moderately priced Chablis, Pouilly-Fuissé (not Fumé), Verdicchio, Sangiovese, Chianti, Moulins-à-Vent. Or an equivalent wherever you live. Whatever you do, stop throwing good money at scam artists.

Avoid boxed wine. It's venom. A scam. Respect yourself. You deserve better. Drink less, drink better, cook better.

>>21583073
You better have a good cellar near a river with chalk substrate. If so, great purchase. If not, what a complete waste of time, effort and money.

>>21583183
yeah great advice, don't deglaze your pan with a $8 bottle of vielle ferme, it's too expensive, save money and buy a $40 cru beajolais or a $35 white burgundy or perhaps upgrade with a riesling from mosel-saar-ruwer, 2018 domprobst auslese from willi schafer is just lovely if that's your kink

personally I'd suggest a chateau musar or a istvan szepsy tokaji aszu for deglazing anon's frying pans, but your ideas are good too, gotta spend money to save money!

>>21576885
I've had alpha estate and Domaine tatsis xinomavro, I've enjoyed both

>>21577069
Saw this at the wine shop I frequent, was tempted to get it. Did you like it?

>>21583183
>>21583200
>>21582938
I always deglaze with Petrus.

>>21583209
King type shit.

>>21582738
It's the same everywhere. People expect their wine, coffee, beer, pepper, chocolate (fermented produce)... to have the same flavour year in year out. That's impossible to do as a producer, unless you blend different varieties. A minority still follows the old school, qualitative way. The vast majority (99%) hires professional tasters, chemists and blenders.

Have a look at foodpairing.com. Look for the independent Champagne winemakers (the opposite). If you really want to delve deep, look for Algerian wine: they've been serving France's Bordeaux ever since they became a colony. Good luck.

>>21583193
It's already opened

>>21583183
cooking with riesling can be weird, the acidity is usually so high that if you reduce it by too much it comes across as vinegary. I usually reach for a bottom shelf italian white at trader joe's. cooking with Chablis is a fucking crime, that's not something you cook with.

>>21583223
I would be serial tasting that shit over the next few days if you can resist drinking it all in the same night.
>>21583212
>to have the same flavour year in year out. That's impossible to do as a producer, unless you blend different varieties
*impossible to do unless you blend from reserve cuvees made up of previous vintages
fortified wineries are the real masters of creating a consistent house style, i'm pretty sure spain and portugal won't allow certain non-vintage labels if there's any detectable variation across different bottle releases/barrels

>>21583619
Credulous retard.

>>21583661
*laughs in hail storm*

>>21547983
Real men make their own alcohol
I just finished brewing a batch of wine and it tastes like wine. It's nothing fancy but its fun to make.

So it turns out barbera d'alba is noticeably better than barbera d'asti. It's like the difference between beaujolais nouveau and morgon. They need to make this more obvious because here I was thinking barbera didn't have much going for it.

G.D. Vajra for the record

>>21583816
i disagree but you should try monferrato next

>>21584047
>order a bottle of Matassa
>dick enters pussy within an hour
Simple as

>>21584047
Careful, there's a gruner veltliner fan on /ck/ who will have a tantrum if you insult their favorite wine

>>21584047
I've never had a Gruner that's I've liked.

>>21584047
>Skin contact white
I fucking hate this fad. 99% of the time, like with most "natural" wines, they're funk bombs with a hint of brett musk who are only enjoyed by kombucha drinkers who don't mind 6% acetic acid vinegar cocktails.

$29 Sunday micro haul

>>21585149
is this the intro to a mukbang

Can someone explain to me what they like about white burgs? They seem kind of boring to me. I've had some Chablis, Maconnais, and Puglingy but still don't get it. Unless all the bottles I've had suck but don't think so..
>>21585149
Nice legs

>>21585198
it checks almost all the boxes i need in a white wine.

>>21585258
Feel like every other type of major white is more exciting for me.
Riesling, Muscadet, Chenin, Viognier. Maybe I'm just a pleb.

>>21585149
American detected.

>>21585264
american website

>>21585262
NO, those are all great varietals capable of making outstanding wine. And they are in a sense more exciting than Chardonnay, you aren't a pleb. There are so many white burg wannabes and imitators and 99.99% of them fail in a comparative tasting with the real thing and honestly that's half the appeal of white burgundy.

>>21583183
Sorry kiddo, I've been cooking with cheap rosé likely longer than you've been alive. I'm only looking for a replacement for the discontinued one I used to buy.
Also, your advice strongly implies that you don't cook at all.
>>21583591
That's exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for but… I live in Delaware. No Trader Joe's in this entire state nor any bordering ones sell wine. I know it was discontinued ages and ages and ages ago, but Carlo Rossi Vin Rosé was my go-to for cooking since I first got to the US to live permanently in 2000. When I noticed its numbers dwindling, I bought as many bottles as I could and ran out last year.
>>21583200
lol
The problem is that people misunderstand the old adage about not cooking with a wine you wouldn't drink. The fact of the matter is, yes, Carlo Rossi is shit wine. But it's still palatable. You can still drink it, regardless of your preferences. The advice applies to so-called "cooking wines" sold in American supermarkets. They're salted beyond all reason to make them unpalatable to all but the most desperate drunkard. You can't drink them. Carlo Rossi Vin Rosé was the perfect wine to cook with in the widest variety of applications.

>>21585303
>delaware
I heard Moore Brothers opened a DE location, cannot recommend them enough. I wish we had old world bottle shops that good on the west coast. When I lived in Philly I used to make that drive to Jersey to buy cases from there. Outstanding selection. That was over a decade ago, hopefully they're still the same high quality bottle shop.

>>21585317
in fact, I still have a half case of 2016 Ettore Germano Prapo I bought from Moore Bros and I brought with me from Philly, I'll probably open one at Christmas this year.

>>21585303
other than shaoxing cooking wine, which I assume is not what those old wives' tales are about, I've never seen this mythical "salted cooking wine" that you shouldn't cook with. maybe I'm just going to the wrong kind of store.

anyway. I sometimes cook with riesling, don't know what these "too much acid" people are about, I guess if I was making a cream sauce or something, it could be an issue, I don't generally cook that kind of thing though

>>21585277
Feel like every time I've had a white burg I've just been let down lol. I get the tasting notes but oh gosh are they boring.

>>21585376
Maybe it's just that the market for the good stuff has an effectively unlimited budget so even if you're drinking $35 burgundy you're drinking entry level generic swill relative to what's out there. Whereas for most other regions $35 gets you a totally respectable product because the prices haven't been bid into the stratosphere.

>>21585376
Pair with food. For example, a nice Beaune would go well with picrel

>>21585381
t. Never been to France.

Only retards and super tasters pay more than 50€ for a bottle of anything. You really can't tell the difference between a 12€ bourgueil and a 20€ bourgueil let alone a 100€ one (does it even exist?)

>>21585381
Ya maybe. i won't spend spent 100 on a bottle but I'd hope at 50-75 I'm having that's decent if from a good producer.
>>21585388
A good wine doesn't need to be paired with food to be good. And I'd much prefer a Riesling Kabinett with that.

>>21585399
it doesn't seem as though you understand what the conversation is about, but actually yeah I was in france 3 weeks ago, thanks for asking

>>21585360
Literally every single chain supermarket I've been to in America has had cooking wine in the oil and/or salad dressings aisle. ffs, even Hmart
>>21585317
Look into that, thanks

>>21585425
I'll look next time I'm in hmart. I am pretty sure I have never seen either at citarella or fairway though unless you mean sonoma county chardonnay vinegar or authentic wine grape must or some similar bougie salad topping made from grapes

>>21585388
that's the kind of food that's best with the kind of rough around the edges pet-nat skin contact unfiltered natty wine that the other anon hates. the zoomer generation's equivalent of mystery meat critter wine from a southern hemisphere country. in 10 years it will be uncool beyond belief and probably fade from existence, so enjoy it while you can

>>21547641 (OP)
>>21548467
Tacos and chile is best with a rioja.
You're all jealous of Spain.

>>21585447
Nope. I mean brands like Holland House and Goya IE not actual wines by actual vintners but horrid, salty crap selling for $2-3 per 750ml.

>>21584984
>who are only enjoyed by kombucha drinkers who don't mind 6% acetic acid vinegar cocktails.
Hey that was uncalled for. I love me carbonated acidic kombucha but I don't want any abnormally high acid in my wine.

>>21585551
napa with american oak goes better with tacos than rioja with american oak. there's a reason screaming eagle lists street tacos as an ideal pairing.

>>21585700
just do what I do and spend beyond your means

>>21547641 (OP)
Wine is for black cock suckers

>>21585713
For me, it's Castello di Ama

>>21585700
>he isnt debtmaxxing to enjoy fine dining
retard much?

>>21585718
For me, it's Montefioralle.

Tonight it's riesling aged on lees in oak barrels. It says it's a trocken but it tastes more like a feinherb or halbtrocken to me, maybe it's the oak throwing me off

I bought this but I haven’t tried it yet

>>21586027
sounds bizarre

>>21574721
That’s called trailer park rose

>>21586027
Where the fuck is this wine abomination from? Modesto? Pair with a Party Melt?

>>21586154
it was pretty good actually

>>21586174
pfalz

>>21586027
That's a wtf from me but if you enjoy it you enjoy it

>>21587350
I'm curious about the strong negative reactions that have been posted, what's the issue for you?

>>21585198
burgundy is for gambers
9/10 times they're unremarkable and bad QPR but every 1/10 times they're incredible and kick the shit out of almost everything else
the uncomfortable truth is that bordeaux has become the best value french red now that everyone and their mother wants vosne-romane and the like

>>21587422
TRVKE

>>21587422
just go to the winemaker and taste the wine (for free)
what's so hard about this other than leaving your room?

>>21547641 (OP)
Why are wine drinkers such faggitrons?

>>21587440
can't speak for the others in this thread but for me it was the fraternal birth order effect. that and micro plastics and the international homosexual agenda

>>21587437
>just spend 1000 dollars going to france bro
what a bargain

>>21587422
Honestly ya. I've only had a handful of burgs over the years that really tasted like I didn't scammed (only Nuits St Georges). Every other time I was just left bored.

>>21587519
You're missing out.

>>21587519
A trip to any good old world winemaking region is worth the money.

>>21587519
I go twice a year. It's worth it and it's not as expensive as you'd think. Cheaper to ski Val Thorens than even a no-name in Colorado.

Falanghina kinda day

>>21583200
heh