Thread 149844077

This was unironically a good solution, just change the name to something more respectable.

Marriage is between man and woman and is representative of the marriage between Christ and the Church. If you want to be recognized as a partnership and have a unique little title then go for it. But there is no such thing as gay "marriage". That is an abomination to God. And God will not be mocked.

>>149844096
Marriage existed before Christ

>>149844096
She gets mocked every day

>>149844096
You can get married in a government courtroom anon by god shut the hell up

>>149844101
Nobody gives a flying fuck what naked Satan worshiping heathens did before Jesus.

>>149844111
anon, if only Christian marriage counts then that would make Mary a whore for bearing multiple of Joseph's children out of wedlock

>>149844123
Don't tell this to a Catholic, they are proud to be stupid.

Butt buddies

>>149844096
This is correct if you live anywhere other than the US. Sadly, it is not a valid argument with seperation of church and state doctrine. When you make a religous rite part of the state or federal framework it in turn has to be secularised or it will violate church and state doctrine. This is less of a cultural issue and more of a federal legal issue at the highest and most foundational level. Remove church and state doctrine and marriage being enforced as a religous rite is applicable, but as long as it is recognised legaly and entangled in things such as tax or insurance frameworks it has to be secular within church and state seperation mandated countries like the US.

>>149844077 (OP)
As long as it gets me access to butt-buddy and prospective-butt-buddy visas ill take what i can get
>all the same rights
Oh shit i can donate blood too?

>>149844096
you christfags are genuinely insufferable.

>>149844096
Do christcucks ever feel embarrassed for worshipping a magic sky fairy

>>149844096
God is a nigger faggot who doesn't exist, retard.

>>149844895
Nigger who cares if you have a different name for it. Homosexuals are already called something different from heterosexuals: homosexuals. It's not that big of a deal if you get a different name for fag marriages, it's pretty much not the same circumstance anyway. Let the christcucks get their superficial victory while you get literally the same thing in the end anyway.

>>149844096
Christ is married to a child molester?

>>149844924
>Nigger who cares if you have a different name for it.
Who cares if it does have the same name, if it's the same fucking thing, pussy?
>it's not that big of a deal
you're not a good liar

>>149844096
Cool so you gonna push to make it illegal for non christians to get married?

>>149844944
Christcucks care, literally just be the bigger man instead of being as picky as them. You don't call 2 guys in love with each other heterosexual, there's no reason to get that upset if it's not literally called a "marriage" either if you have the same rights and benefits anyway. "Frisbees" are copyrighted names that you aren't allowed to use on just any throwing discs, yet everyone calls every throwing disc they see a frisbee anyway. People are just going to call every state recognized fag union a marriage if they want, even if the state doesn't call it that, and the people that don't want it to be legally recognized as a marriage weren't going to acknowledge it as such anyway even if the state does. So instead of being a picky bitch like those fags who specifically wanted a bakery to make their cake, just be the bigger man over christcucks and accept your distinctively labeled but otherwise the same thing anyway, if love is all that matters in the end it's not a big deal that it's not called exactly the same word from a kike book.

>>149844096
Anon, my fucking guy; my brother in Christ: We keep the Church and State Separate because the alternative leads to tyranny and Bishops being partially decapitated by himbo knights.
>>149845005
>Just Give into Pressure from Authortarians!
>Nothing bad has ever come of giving way and letting the Hangman Hang a couple of people!

>>149845092
>be a picky little bitch and have nothing at all because you're too much of a picky little bitch to take the high road and be a bigger man over stupid christcucks over literal semantics
True love is able to overcome such insignificant semantics.

>>149844077 (OP)
>more respectable.
fine, butt pirates, happy?

>>149845120
>Just give way!

>>149844077 (OP)
>This was unironically a good solution
I don't see how. The only "problem" being solved is that one group of people might be slightly less upset by the government's use of descriptive labels. The tradeoff is that it creates a parallel legal institution that would necessarily produce more ambiguity and confusion than it resolves. And if the overriding consideration is to defuse a pointless controversy over semantics (which should not be what dictates government policy in any case), that wouldn't even work, since inevitably it would stoke controversy with a different group of people. It seems like a stupid solution to a stupid problem.

>>149845192
You're using literally the same slippery slope fallacy used by the other side against gay marriage.
So what if the people who "own" the term don't want to include gays when gays become trendy? Fine let them keep the term, make your own term with blackjack and hookers. Everyone's either just going to call it a marriage anyway if they want and the people disgusted by it wouldn't call it that in any scenario to begin with.

>>149844077 (OP)
>ctrl + f
>not a single mention of adelphopoiesis

>>149845194
>The tradeoff is that it creates a parallel legal institution that would necessarily produce more ambiguity and confusion than it resolves
What id it doesn't and everything about same equal rights is honored and no legal case of ambiguity is ever brought up? Is it still a bad idea?

>>149845258
The historical precedence is "Separate, but Equal."

>>149844077 (OP)
but what about lesbians?

>>149844096
Amen. Everyone seething hates the truth. The penis and the vagina go together and monogamy is physically, mentally, and spiritually healthy.

>>149845456
Blacks were better off than unironically

>>149845250
To be fair orthodox is infamous for being unorthodox and is seen in the same way as catholics are in christian communities in how high church deviates so much from the original faith system. Orthodoxy even uses eastern meditation techniques which they rebranded as christian methods with outright strange supposed justification in the bible which makes no sense when you read the passages they site as evidence for their meditation practices being canon.

>>149845508
>monogamy is physically, mentally, and spiritually healthy.
Explain biblical harems.

>>149844266
Just be glad we're not living in crusade times. I think most of them are just pissed that they were born too late to go around with their buddies, converting people at swordpoint.

Reminder that gay people should NOT have the same benefits as straight ones.

The entire point of giving benefits to married couples is so they can have children. That's the whole purpose. That cannot happen with homos.

>>149846085
Gay also people have children, dear ignorant bigot.

>>149844096
>and is representative of the marriage between Christ and the Church.
So what, no one who isn't Christian is allowed to get married?

>>149844101
>>149844108
>>149844266
>>149844267
>>149844347
/co/mblr moment

>>149846179
Yes.

>>149846314
Sounds stupid. It's not like Christians invented marriage.

>>149846179
That's right, no one who isn't exactly like me in every single way is allowed to exist.

>>149844077 (OP)
>the same rights
>e-e-except no right to be named marriage
So, not the same rights, retard.
>>149844096
>>149845508
>marriage is between man and woman and is representative of the marriage between Christ and the Church
False. Marriage is an economic institution from morr than 3000 years before Christian Church, dumb protestant piece of shit.

>>149844096
There's nothing in the bible that say gay marriage is wrong and you can even doublecheck me on that.
Assuming you even have a bible on hand...

>>149845508
>>149845588
This guy's argument just got totally bodied.

>>149845588
They were sinners.

>>149846966
You are telling me that Abraham and his sons were sinners?

>>149846966
You saying Abraham wasn't righteous?
David and Solomon sure but Abraham?

How is it /co/ knows even less theology than /fit/? You grognards need to talk to a priest.

>>149846996
Who would have known people who like watching saturday morning cartoons and sunday network blocks don't know much about church or the bible?

>>149846987
All humans are sinners except for Jesus (plus Mary if you're Catholic).
>>149846991
Being righteous doesn't mean never sinning.

>>149846996
>>149847022
I know enough about the bible to know you're wrong about it.

>>149844096
Kek you got all the fudgepackers seething
>>149844266
>149844267
>>149845595
>149846085
>>149846841

Anyhoo I'm not even religious so I don't care about the biblical definition much. Gay marriage shouldn't be legal simply because it legitimizes faggotry and is basically state endorced acceptance of homosexuality. Same reason I'm also somewhat against civil unions.
Fags like to sugarcoat it in libertarian terms "why do you care, it doesn't affect you personally." and "You can disagree with it, but the law doesn't care about your views" but the fact is what they want is state acceptance of homosexuality. And since law is an arbitrer of morality, it also legitimizes societal accept of homosexuality.

They wouldn't be fighting so hard for fag marriage if it meant anything else. Barely any fag would be happy in a situation where gay marriage is legal but homosexuality is taboo in society.

>>149844077 (OP)
Why weren't they fine with civil unions?

>>149847040
But are you saying Abraham was in a state of constant sin because he wasn't in a monogamous marriage?
And that the lord would just leave him in a constant state of sin? Abraham was righteous to reject idolatry without needing being told but he was completely how his very household was in a state of sin?

>>149847091
Because it doesn't guarantees equal rights.

>>149847040
>plus Mary if you're Catholic
Catholics arn't christians.

>>149847075
What's wrong with it anon?

>>149844096
Multiple notable figures of the Bible were polygamous. Were their marriages an abomination to God?

>>149847109
Okay, but the thing is, sodomy/homosexuality/faggotry simply isn't a thing that qualifies for "equal rights" the same way being black or being a woman does.

>>149847154
Ok but the thing is that they are.

>>149847167
Homosexuality is more related to behavior than an intrinscic identity. It's like saying adulterers and drug abusers should be considered a protected minority.
>>149847140
The vast majority of people are straight
Pretty much every straight person finds the ACTUAL ACT revolting, i.e. they would dry heave at the idea of kissing another person of the same gender even if they support gay rights

Usually, if 90% of people find something revolting while you don't, it's you who are the messed up one.

>>149847278
>90% of people find something revolting while you don't, it's you who are the messed up one.
This is a line of logic you really don't want to die on anon

>>149844096
>And God will not be mocked.

>>149847312
Here, I'll put it into perspective for you.
90% of people find the idea of eating rats and pigeons disgusting. But technically, there isn't an inherent quality to it that makes it worse than chicken, bacon or beef (which everyone enjoys). Diseases? Just catch them fresh from the forest and boil/cook them thoroughly.

Would you say that there is nothing wrong with a dude who eats rat filet with fried pigeon every night.

>>149844096
>these replies

>>149847312
Any straight person who doesn't think exactly like I do isn't really straight. You are either my friend or my enemy, there's no grey area, so if you don't openly declare yourself as my friend, you're my enemy by default. And the only way to be my friend is to be exactly like me. Me good because me is me so everyone has to be me or die.

>>149847574
Maybe there's like 10% of straights(?) who have no problems kissing another guy. The fact of the matter is, Vast majority of people do NOT and would throw up on the spot.

>>149847278
>Homosexuality is more related to behavior than an intrinscic identity

In that case why are you bending over backwards saying that heterosexuality needs special religious privileges?

>>149847604
That's right, and it's completely irrelevant that homosexuality has never been accepted more, I'm right because I say I'm right, and if the facts contradict me, that just means the universe is wrong. I can't be wrong about anything ever. I'm me. I'm right by default. I love me so much that I wish everyone was me so everything can be about me and only me, forever.

>>149847639
NTA but this is cope. Why put so much effort? Rightwing thought is more tribal by nature. It's not even an insult.

>>149847605
Who tf even brought up religion? I haven't been religious since I was 13.
>>149847639
>No argument
You know what the diference between homosexuality and race? Interracial marriage is accepted. The vast majority of whites wouldn't viscerally revulsed by the idea of being black or kissing a black person.

Homosexuality is also somewhat accepted. The vast majority of pro gay straights would be weirded out at the prospect of kissing another dude.

>>149847726
My moral circle is just a dot. I only care about me, because me is me, and if me wasn't inherently more important than not me, then me wouldn't be me, me would be not me. If other people want me to care about them so much, they should just be me.

>>149847758
The very fact that you're spending your day lingering here is compelling evidence that you neither care nor particularly like (You).
This isn't the land of happy well-adjusted people.

>>149847758
But that's just being rightwing. It's typical.

>>149847772
I just want everyone in this thread to understand what the discussion is really about. Because of course I know what the thread is really about better than anyone else does, I'm me! I'm the most important person ever! You may now proceed to grovel at my feet and profusely apologize for the heinous crime of existing in my world and not being me. I won't forgive you, but I do so enjoy seeing a good grovel. Chop chop.

>>149847817
You're just letting everyone know you're an out of touch retard. You aren't speaking to anything outside of your own inability to understand things.

>>149845509
Different Anon here. Not sure if you are a troll or just retarded. But this is obviously not true.

>>149847853
I'm not out of touch with the world, the world is out of touch with me.

>>149848791
That's a common rightwing thought and consistent with that heat map study.

>>149844096
>And God will not be mocked.

I have news for you, buddy..

>>149848838
>buh buh buh 41% buh buh buh muh trans!!!
CHECKMATE LUBRAL!

>>149847853
You are a dumb faggot who doesn't understand this is exactly how right-wing people sound like.

>>149847817
Thank you Anon. You are doing gods work. I appreciate how clever your take-downs are, even if the targets of your mockery are literally too stupid to understand it.

>>149844096
Fpbp and /thread

>>149844096

Then why am I mocking him at this moment?

>>149844096
>the only way to ensure our continued worry free existence for all time is to strictly adhere to the philosophies of a single group of humans who arent even alive anymore, located in a single relatively tiny area of the entire fucking planet and who have only existed as a concept, much less an actual culture for less than 3% of the entire history of our species
Your God is too small.

>>149847137
> Catholics arn't christians.
proof?

>>149844096
He's right, you know.

>>149850457
they gathered important wisdom from their experience in the Babylonian captivity that your feeble mind can’t comprehend.
that’s why it expanded from being a secluded minority religion to the most popular religion in the world

>>149844096
>t.Christofascist

>>149850474
sharty lost btw

>>149850457
Your natural instincts should tell you not to let men repeatedly ejaculate inside your rectum, but thankfukly God wrote the bible for people like you who couldn't figure that out on your own.

>>149844096
Well said. A post like this is like bug spray to the average /co/lon bandit

>>149845258
What if my dad was Goku?

>>149845250
Orthodox background anon here. Never heard of it or seen it practiced. And the word adelphopoiesis means being made into brothers. Hell, it's not even written correctly. Anyway, brothers and lovers are two different things unless you're fucked up.

>>149850514
>God wrote the Bible
Lol
Lmao even

the vast majority of people in the west are not homophobic. any kind of pushback against lgbt rights in the west will never catch on because the vast majority of people really don't care about gay marriage enough for it to be a passionate political talking point. people just want to be able to make a living wage and buy a house. still getting angry about gay love is such a bizarre and forced fringe thing.

>>149850696
But your making JESUS ANGRY, anon!

>>149850696
people are far more faggotphobic than they used to be
nobody thinks "gee in the year 2025 I think it was a good thing that courts legalized gay marriage despite losing every popular vote, obviously there was no slippery slope and didn't lead to even worse things"

>>149844096
you do realize that virtually every human society had the concept of a man and woman being in a monogamous relationship without cheating to have a family with kids, even prior to christianity right?

>>149850764
>drag minors
It should be a credit to the good sense of queers that the Desmond of Amazing bullshit didn't last and it was only him, encouraged by his straight mom. Letting teachers choose genders isn't a real thing. This is some "checkmate, libtards, I believe in magic" type bullshit.

Unfortunately Christianity is too inherently soft, even if we win our battle now eventually others will feel bad for the faggots and start this whole cycle again. The attitude Islam has towards homosexuality is unironically one we should’ve adopted

>>149850764
>people are far more faggotphobic than they used to be
they're not in the west. a small vocal minority of insane people online definitely are though. you lost this battle a long time ago and you'd be better off soapboxing about anything else that has a snowball's chance in hell at catching on.

>>149850828
>that thing that isn't real keeps happening

>>149850839
>Jesus is the Prince of Peace!
>except when hes not, DIE YOU FILTHY FAGGOT!!!

>>149850854
We don’t need majority approval, we just need the Supreme Court

>>149850854
when we make homosexuality punishable by death, the overwhelming majority of people will go along with it
any support you thought you had was entirely fake

>>149850854
>stop fighting abortion rights, we won there's no point in fighting
dumbass

>>149850870
You know that makes you evil, right? Like, by definition?

>>149850696
Yeah, like they were able to take away women's rights, but that's only because some people consider abortion murder. That's a powerful emotional motivator. But being against gay marriage is only a fringe belief in the West, from crazy religious people or just people who love to hate.

In the West we value freedom. And again the only reason woman lost their rights is because some people thought the fetus had a right to life. But you can't really make a freedom-based argument to take away marriage equality.

Fascism is slowly rolling out and people are testing the waters and trying to figure out what flavour of fascism they will try to implement. They are going for a pro-capitalism and pro-Christian flavour. But the constitution and freedom-loving culture is too strong to be overturned. Not saying we should just lie down and not be concerned, though.

Ultimately, fascism is not popular in America. Trump didn't run on fascism. He ran on ending the Ukrain war and bringing grocery prices down. He will be out on his ass at the end of his term. And no one will be able to fill the shoes of his cult of personality. MAGA will die with him. Also, after the humiliation of destroying the economy and America's reputation, no one will want to be anything like him. He will be remembered as an embarrassment. But to give Trump his flowers. At least he killed woke and tranny support from the left.

Most people support gay rights. Nobody likes transexuals and their BS agenda.

>>149850887
>do what we say or we'll kill you
Agian I refer to >>149850966

>>149850966
>We're here, we're queer, we're coming for your children!
>And if you don't like it then you are evil

>>149850966
No u.

Lmao even in their own shitposting thread, chuds manage to lose every single argument
Every single time

>>149850988
is that you tats?

>>149850980
Fags and troons are cut from the same cloth.
>>149850696
>>149850980
Btw California democratically voted against gay marriage in 2008. Fucking faggots had to get a gay judge to overrule it.

>>149850980
No, "appeal to freedom only when it comes to letting me do bad things" is your ideology, and has proven so indefensible nobody is going along with it anymore

Threadly reminder that projection is a key pillar in right wing rhetoric

Every accusation coming from a right winger is actually an admittance of guilt

All right wingers are pedophiles.
>>149850474
>>149850514
>>149850764
>>149850865
>>149850887

>>149850854
>The majority supports it
So? Is that supposed to mean it's a good thinf? The majority also supported the Iraq war at one point.

>>149851030
Thats the rub, anon. Define "bad things".

>>149850966
“””evil””” done in the persuit of righteousness is no evil

>>149851045
Evil is whatever I'm told is evil.

>>149851039
And then they didnt. Its called changing your mind on things, happens all the time

>>149850980
Gay marriage isn't freedom, it's validation. I am for repealing sodomy laws because I believe in freedom and don't wanna police people's sex lives.

I am against gay marriage because I don't know wanna validate or legitimize homosexuality.

>You're free to do whatever you want, just don't expect an official stamp of approval.

>>149851048
>t.

>>149851057
And if people were to change their minds on gay marriage?

>>149851039
Right, just like all right wingers voted to protect pedophiles.
That just shows that every single right winger is a pedophile, but normal people aren't

>>149851066
>Gay marriage isn't freedom, it's validation
Are they not free to have thier existence validated, just the same as yours?

>>149851082
Then it would go back to being illegal and we'd start the whole rigamarole all over again. There's no such thing as true stasis in this universe, everyone and everything is constantly in motion

Well /co/?

>>149851088
No for the same reason we don't validate adulterers, alcoholics and cuckolds.

>>149851082
Doesn't seem to be happening any time soon.
I think you need to leave your tiny little internet bubble; normal people don't think like you.

>>149851074
Considering that America has spawned the evils of lgtbism the only thing wrong Bin Landen did (aside from not being Christian) was not going far enough

>>149851141
>Normal people
Pfft sodomites were repeated blow the fuck out by normal people in deep blue states all throughout the 90s and 2000s and had to start threatening to get people fired to get things done.
>Long before the phrase “cancel culture” entered the lexicon or Republican senators complained about the power of “woke capital,” Mr. Karger refined a digital-era playbook for successfully redirecting scrutiny to the opposition's financial backers. The movement to legalize same-sex marriage is often understood as one of civil rights test cases. And indeed, savvy legislative lobbying, fortuitous demographic change and pop-culture influence all played their part, too. But a largely forgotten story is the way a group of political entrepreneurs changed the economic terrain on which cultural conflict was waged. They demonstrated that shaming and shunning could amount to more than an online pile-on and serve as a potent tactic for political change.

>The impact on the marriage debate became visible in November 2012, when same-sex-marriage advocates won four states after losing in every one of the 35 that previously put the question before voters. A mix of targeted boycotts and general cultural disapprobation combined to create such a stigma around disapproval of same-sex marriage that many of the opposition’s largest individual, corporate and institutional backers effectively ceded the conflict to their rivals.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/05/opinion/gay-marriage-boycotts.html

>>149851107
i want everyone in the government to go to prison

>>149851030
Your rights end where someone else's rights begin. Marriage is a contract entered into by 2 consenting adults. You don't have the right to have the government protect your feelings. Proving yet again that conservatives were the original snowflakes.

>>149851066
Gay marriage is about freedom. The freedom to marry someone you love as long as both parties are consenting adults. I think it's kind of concerning how you demand the government to validate your feelings. Very snowflake of you.

>>149844096
kys christcuck

>>149851231
>Repeatedly blown the fuck out*

>>149851242
>long as both parties are consenting adults.
Exceptions include literally any consenting adults relationship other than homosexuality, i.e., bigamy, polyandry, cousin incest, etc.

>>149850865
I can't find that article and also twisting words like grooming and teaching doesn't make sense here, especially when what you mean by grooming isn't really defined and makes even less sense when you try. It's why people like Ben Shapiro, when pressed, say they're talking about cultural grooming, not sexual grooming.

>>149851132
>adulterers
We elected one to be goddamn President. Multiple times, even
>alcoholics
AA has been a thing for 50ish years now, so...
>cuckolds
......actually, you got legitimately curious, how WOULD we validate cuckolds?

>>149851231
>newyorktimes.com/opinion
Lmfao post discarded.
Thanks for playing btw

>>149851242
>Gay marriage is about freedom
It is not as evident from the fact that 90% of homos would rather live in a place where gay marriage is illegal but homosexuality is tolerated than the inverse (gay rights are legal, peopl will gossip you out of town if you're a fudgepacker)

>>149844077 (OP)
The idea that the government has any hand in marriage is where this problem even comes from.

You should be allowed to marry anyone you want, if they consent, and the church is willing to officiate the union."

The government would only then be needed to consider the marriage a legal union. For tax purposes. Yes, gay people could get three unions, and not call it marriage, and they could get married, if that church will let them. If a friend or sea captain wants to let them.

It would just be two different things; marriage and unions. And any "legal marriage" would itself be a marriage and a union, but you could have either/or to your liking.

>>149851274
You aren't going to find that article because 90% of right wing sources don't exist

This faggot going on a long tangent about gay politics in the comics and cartoons board sure changed my opinion. I will vote blue from now on.

>>149851281
We don't consider adultery, alcoholism and cuckoldry to be acceptable. Even Trump supporters won't outright defend his adultery, just try to awkwardly handwave it.
>>149851290
>Muh republicans
Show me where I brought up American political parties?

>>149850865
They're grooming kids in Clinics now too?!?!?!

>>149851317
No way, don't let them convince you to not blindly support the pedo party, fellow magapede

>>149851298
......what the actual hell are you talking about, anon?

>>149851329
>Show me where I brought up American political parties?
Ok @149851231
>deep blue states

Man, you're really stupid. It was really easy to beat you in an argument.

Jesus technically never said anything about homosexuality.

>>149851242
No.

>>149851382
I'm sorry, what exactly is it about what I said that you have trouble grasping?
>>149851421
I didn't make it into a red vs blue thing. I was just pointing out that even liners states voted it down. You are the one who tried to interject "Republicans bad" as a gotcha. You do realize that there are anti gay marriage democrats too, y'know?

>>149851499
>Liberals* states voted it down
Friggin autocorrect

>>149851107
Full disclosure? Unredacted? Yeah

>>149851499
Yeah, your 15 year old blog isn't really convincing anyone of the validity of your argument, especially when in reply to contemporary data >>149851141

You tried though.

>>149851499
No, like, what gay person is willingly going to live in countries where thier very existence is a crime? Why would they do that?

Why would ANYONE do that?

>>149851107
Yes.
I would also support killing all druggies and deporting kikes and darkies even if I were caught in the crossfire. That is "self sacrifice"

>>149851423
And really neither does the hebrew bible, apparently the commandment is more like don't have sex with a man whose married or a boy who is still under the protection of his mother.

>>149844096
I was married outside a church with no priest.fuck your gay religion.

>>149851541
What the fuck...are you talking about? What blog?
>>149851547
There is barely any place on Earth where anybody's existence is illegal. What is illegal is sodomy, i.e. ass sex, more specifically same gender ass sex.

>>149851635
>outlaw sodomy
>criminalized gay assuming they are all sodomites
>anon gets to say "omg they were all caught with dicks in their butts this system doesn't make being gay illegal"

>>149851635
Are you retarded?
Did you not read any of your sources or your posts prior to this?

>>149851671
sodomy is a behavior, and the fact you find it desirable indicates you're severely mentally damaged and must be removed from civilized society

>>149851671
A fag won't be arrested if he's chaste. Though I do know some shitholes do arrest people or throw them off building if they're even rumoured to be gay.
>>149851672
The article I posed was from 4 years ago

>>149851672
>>149851547
This guy >>149851696 gets it
Your argument rests on the idea that "wanting to stick weiner in a dude's hole because your daddy belted you as a kid" is somehow an identity like being black or being a woman.

>>149851696
You heard it here first, if you like blowjobs you are mentally damaged and have to be removed from society

>>149851273
You listed off three examples, but since I said marriage is a contract between 2 people, you really only have one counterargument. I smelled a trap and talked to Chat GPT about this, and this is what it came up with.

“My position is that two consenting adults should be free to enter into a contract unless there’s a compelling public interest to prohibit it. That’s how freedom actually works — liberty by default, limits only when there’s clear evidence of harm.
Gay marriage doesn’t create any measurable harm to society or individuals outside the couple.
Incestuous marriage has documented harms — coercion and abuse risk within family power dynamics, damage to the stability of the family unit, and genetic health risks if they reproduce.
So it’s not me being inconsistent — it’s applying the exact same standard to two different cases, and only restricting where there’s strong justification.”

>>149851766
Some other anon pointed out how if this was the actual the case then you wouldn't have a problem with gay marriage because you wouldn't even see a "gay" person.

>>149851710
What does chaste mean though? If they get married or if they're just boyfriends, do cops just follow them around until they talk about sex they've had?

>>149844077 (OP)
>same rights
So, adoption.

>>149851766
Pathetic samefagging going on in this thread right now holy shit

>>149851766
Honestly it's clownish how there's not more pushback against "letting men ejaculate in my rectum is my identity".

It's like calling yourself a heroineman, claiming you were immutably born wanting to shoot up heroine, and teaching kids in elementary school that shooting up heroine is a valid lifestyle that must be celebrated 2/3rds of the year, complete with flying heroine flags in the classroom.

>>149851871
And what’s wrong with having a morality police, with how disgraceful western society has become maybe that’s exactly what is needed right now

>>149851835
>Gay marriage doesn’t create any measurable harm to society or individuals outside the couple.
No, that is indefensibly false.

>>149844077 (OP)
ANO AMANTES

>>149844096
then why did the church allow multiple wives until the dark ages? i mean if its one man and one woman then why did multiple marriages allowed till the dark ages when the church ended the practice because christians were selling their children into slavery as income generation.

>>149851967
Facts don't care about your feelings faggot.

>>149851985
The Year of Lovers?

>>149851909
See, you're equating a debilitating drug addiction to being a man that sucks cock for fun. It's this false equivalence that undermines your entire arguement right out of the gate because you're not arguing in good faith, you're just ranting about what you dont like. Can you at least acknowledge that much, anon?

>>149852070
A man that sucks cock for fun vs a man who shoots needles for fun. Why not compare them? They both have high rates of STDs

>>149852118
If your problems are STDs then you should be against sucking cocks in general.

>>149852070
The only difference is that being a heroine addict is objectively more healthy than being a faggot.

>>149852154
If homos didn’t exist then neither would STD’s, facts

>>149852166
>>149852196
Retards.

>>149852118
>>149852166
>>149852196
I legitimately pity you, anon. Good luck and God bless

>>149852221
^anal parasites typed this post

Wait, what about lesbians.

>>149852265
No such thing, once they get their government mandated decking’s and get knocked up they’ll see the light

>>149851941
People demanding morality police tend to be the most degenerate or repressed people around

>>149852265
if lesbians were real, their sex toys wouldn't look like penises

>>149852265

Pfft, who cares about fucking dykes.

>>149852341
By this logic dicks going into men’s mouths and anus is entirely natural

>>149852154
I can admit that blowjobs are just more likely to cause STDs. But the thing is sodomy (anal) is integral to homosexual relationships the same way vaginal sex is to straight relationships. If there was a straight relationship where they only did anal and bjs, that would be a weird relationship too.
>>149852243
And I pity you more knowing the aids and drug abuse stats among fags

>>149844096
People don't get married due to their belief in god. A lot of heterosexual's don't believe in god either yet are married. Legally marriage provides rights that civil union doesn't and the government doesn't want to change that for some reason.

>>149844096
Billion dollar question

What the hell is a Christian doing on 4chan?

>>149852154
Also>>149847358
This constant comparison between straight sex and sodomy doesn't work since it's like comparing chicken and rat meat. You can theoretically make the argument than eating a well cooked rat is healthier than fried chicken. However, common sense tells us that eating a rat is more revolting than eating kfc

>>149852402
christnigger malding

Here are many practical arguments against LGBT

>>149852379
If you're doing it right yeah

>>149852357
RABBLE
RABBLE
RABBLE

>>149852460
>WHY CAN'T I GET MY POOPHOLE VIOLATED. IT'S A HUMAN RIGHT!!!!!

>FUCK GOD FOR MAKING MY DIAHRREA HOLE OFF LIMITS!!!!!!!!!

>>149852475

I love when they do that joke. That and "peas and carrots peas and carrots!"

>>149852462
Read the thread, you unabashed tool

>>149852415
Did Christ not walk among sinners to bring them to light, does the church not try to bring redemption to those who would prefer to wallow in darkness?

>>149852438
>eating a rat is more revolting than eating kfc
Depends on the KFC, honestly

>>149852243
*anon speaks objective empirical truth about gays*

>Wow bro you're sad. I bed you live a sad life!

>>149852479
Show me God's asshole and I will fuck it (with His consent, of course, I'm not a rapist like you.)

>>149844077 (OP)
We introduced Civil Union as the first country here in Denmark in 1989, which was literally just marriage under a different name, and the fuckers still complained that it used a different name.

>>149852379
that isn't logical at all, lebians claim to like females, but aren't attracted to female genitalia

>>149852510
Pretty sure Christ didnt dismiss the whores and lepers as horrible degenerate scum out of hand, either. Then again, its been a good minute since ive read my Bible, so what the hell do I know?

>>149852534
But they are.

LOL

>>149852514
Why are you here? Doing *this*?
Asking without irony

>>149852401
>But the thing is sodomy (anal) is integral to homosexual relationships

But it’s not

>>149852553
then why do all their sex toys look like penises instead of vaginas?

>>149852565
Because they've already got vaginas, and you can't fuck a vagina with a vagina

>>149852562
yeah it is, that's why you're all dying from gay monkeyAIDSpox

>>149852557
Homosexuality makes society measurably worse.

>>149852510
>>149852536
>Christ walked among sinners
Do people who use this as a gotcha even understand the context. He did it in order to redeem them. Jesus wouldn't support gay marriage, he would have probably tried to get the homosexual to either overcome his desires or to lead a chaste life.

>>149852573
That's why there's no such thing as lesbians.

>>149852565
Because some women like penetration. You can do it with fingers or you can do it with dildos and strap-ons.

It’s no different from heterosexual men liking their assholes licked or being pegged

>>149852578
NUH UH JESUS SAID YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE ME FOR ANYTHING

>>149852578
>Jesus wouldn’t support gay marriage because I hate gays

The only thing more incorrect than a fag saying buttsex is good for society is an faggot atheist saying Jesus loved sin and condones sin.

>unchristian retards can’t even follow the reply chain
Maybe study the Bible a bit to improve your literacy

>>149852577
>measurably
I want charts, anon.
NOW

>>149852612
>Jesus would support gay marriage because I say so

>>149852612
Literally 2 seconds asking an AI.

Not to mention, the Jesus of the new testament is the same God of the old testament, and YHWH of the old testament did not support poop hole penetration.

>>149852658
But the hebrew bible aka the old testament doesn't actually say that.

>>149852639
If you need charts to see that society started to crumble right about when LGBT became more popular, then I have to assume you are arguing in bad faith. Maybe yo are financially wealthy and are shielded from average everyday degeneracy.

Or do you want me to post all the charts of americans saying they feel like america is "headed in a bad direction"?

>>149852612
>>149852654
If anything, Jesus would hate the persecution.

>>149852701
now that is an interesting debate. How hard should the average christian be on homos. We shouldn't hate them outright, we should try to convert them.

>>149852705
>Lie
That's sex, right? So they should be fine with other forms of homosexuality. Also no mention of lesbians.

>>149852691
America has been "heading in a bad direction" since goddam World War 2 ended, dingus. All that changes are the names of things causing it. There's ALWAYS going to be some "other" that needs to be kept in check lest they destroy everything we hold dear. It it wasnt the gays, it'd be the Democrats. If it wasnt them, it be the incels, and so on and so on. Power is only valid if it stands against something of relative strength. Otherwise, you're just an asshole barking out orders for people to do what you say OR ELSE.

>>149852701
Now that is an interesting debate. How hard should the average christian be on homos? We shouldn't hate them outright, we should try to convert them.

>>149852705
That's the english translation, the actual hebrew is something more like lie with the lying downs of a woman.

>>149852701
Sure, he probably would have. Some Christians do take it a little overboard.

That being said, he wasn't all nice and dandy to unapologetic sinners either
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleansing_of_the_Temple

>>149852705
I wouldn't lie with womankind the way I would lie with mankind, as I'm not bisexual, so I'm in the clear.

>>149852705
>King James revisionism
The original passage referred to Men lying with Boys.

>>149852742
>That's sex, right? So they should be fine with other forms of homosexuality.
If every gay relationship was chaste, then sure it would be okay. I think Plato or Socrates spoke favorably that kind of relationship. However we do not live in a reality where all queers are chaste, or even most of them.
>Lesbians
So pro gay activists would be fine with a system where male sodomites aren't accepted but lesbians are?

>>149852788
>the KJV is… LE BAD!! XD
Take your popery somewhere else

>>149852803
I think this is more of a question of do you?

>>149852788
The Hebrew word used in Leviticus 20:13 is "zakar", which is used many other times in the OT.

Some examples:

Gen 1:27 - "male and female He created them". Definitely referring specifically to "maleness" with no context regarding age or maturity.

Gen 5:2 - same context as above.

Gen 6:19 - God describing "two of every kind" of animal, referring to "male and female". Again, no context regarding age or maturity.

It's used several more times later in Genesis describing the covenant of circumcision with Abraham. This includes the use of trickery whereby Jacob's sons convince a man who wanted to marry (and also raped) their sister that he and his men had to be circumcized first, and then while they were all recovering, they attacked and killed them. The passage refers specifically to a grown man and his soldiers. (Genesis 34)

Exodus 12:5 describes the sacrificial offering of a "male" lamb, but uses different words to describe its age. "Zakar" refers only to maleness.

This is a recurring pattern. The Hebrew word clearly means "male" and not "young boy". The words Paul uses in Romans 1:27 and 1 Corinthians 6:10 also derive from the Greek word meaning "men" and not "boys". The same word is used elsewhere in the NT, and every time it's used to refer to a young boy there are additional contextual words that mean "young", "child", etc.

>>149852772
I think it was specifically taking advantage of religion to gain profit that pisses him off.

>>149845250
God eviscerated the sodomites because they fucked each other's assholes

>>149852827
You answer first

>>149852834
Wait a minute because paul didn't even use the regular term for homosexuals but invented an entirely new word.

>>149846149
Butt babies?
Or you mean slave Children they buy from women?

>>149852742
If you really want to get into the nitty gritty then all non-procreative sex is not ideal. It's better to not have sex at all and instead practice self-control. If you want to talk about real biblical morality, there is almost no emphasis places on physical pleasure. What matter is spiritual discipline and godliness. So it's a little ironic that you are trying to find loopholes when the POINT of the whole thing is to get closer to God.

This is why when people say "oh well it doesn't explicitly say", they are missing the point.

>>149852841
Actually the Lord did it because they were rude, inhospitable, and greedy.

>>149844895
whats the "not really" part?

>>149844096
>all these butt hurt degen replies
>all these offended faggots seething at being told an objective fact of life
Yes finally, an Anon that understand what 4chan is for.

>>149852756
I think we should make things better instead of tolerating everything becoming worse, and faggotry makes everything worse.

>>149852827
Isn't there a quote about women engaging in acts "contrary to nature" or something?

But anyhoo, enough religion. I don't like using religion as an argument much either. I'm pretty sure lesbo relationships are still more of a net negative due to higher rates of drug use, vaginal infections, breast cancer, spousal abuse etc.

>>149852917
Kek they deleted it. What is this, reddit?

>>149852921
So faggotry controls the housing market? Climate change? Putin? I think you have your priorities a bit mixed up, anon

>>149853031
>Putin
>bad
God forbid a man try to save the West from itself

>>149853031
Yes.

>>149844077 (OP)
Why are you so butthurt about other people being married? Most straight couples divorce immediately anyways.

>>149853051
Killing babies is bad, yes.

>>149853031
Gee almost like people can have different priorities at the same time? I can flip the script on you and say that gay rights is not a pressing issue when housing is out of control, Climate change is a thing and Putting is waving wars.

>>149853130
>post an article from RT, of all places
Twenty rubles have been placed in your account, Ivan. Good work, comrade!

>>149844077 (OP)
i'm personally partial to the term "AIDS friend" or "please keep the kids away pals"

>>149853130
>Putin is waging wars.
>>149853113
>Most straight couples divorce anyways
This is not the own you think it is. We should focusing on reducing this instead of making gay marriage legal (ban no fault divorce)
>I broke my leg, therefore I should break my arm too instead of going to a hospital
This is how you sound

>>149851107
No, I want everyone in that list put to death

>>149844077 (OP)
its still a state issue, the courts overstepped before.

>>149853153
https://www.google.com/amp/s/spzh.eu/en/amp-news/87511-swedish-prime-minister-to-approach-eu-ukraine-must-recognize-same-sex-marriages
Happy now?

>>149853053
Uhhh what about aids? And what about the gay preschool books? And what about all the war going around lately?

>>149853169
this, prison would not do it

>>149852874
They are called sodomites, they wanted to buttfuck angels what the fuck are you on about?

>>149853195
(that's the joke; everything in that meme has happened)

In the end, people realized that caring about which person someone wants to fuck (as long as there's consent and it's not as minor) was a complete waste of time and energy.

>>149853208
We get the word *from* the city of Sodom, dingus.

>>149853214
Most rational people did. Obviously a bunch of retards still fixate over it.

>>149853226
oh man, what a crazy coincidence, why did we start using "sodomy" to refer to gay buttsex?

>>149853214
Your way of thinking was excusable maybe thirty years ago, now you faggots have gone full mask off and have shown everyone why you don't deserve to be taken seriously ever again

>>149844077 (OP)
>Change the meaning of this word so I don't feel bad!
I thought you guys said Leftists were the only ones who did this?

>>149853214
>>149853243
If only this argument universal instead of something only fruits have privilege to
>So called "consenting adults" tards when asked about bigamy, polygamy, incest between adult cousins, cuckoldry, scat, etc

Wasn't there a Spanish politician who was forced to resign because it was found out that he's into eating shit? If people truly do not care what others do, then what was the deal with the whole outrage over that?

>>149853214
Most people yeah, but then it comes to concepts of marriage and family and if that's just a procreation privilege or if it's for any two consenting adults looking to form a family on par with traditional married couples. It's a big deal for things like insurance and homeownership and hospital visitation because if it's this other category of thing, systems need to be reworked to include policy of if they include it or not. Making marriage functionally the same legally is a larger conversation than just your religious views on it or your thoughts on procreating couples as a class.

>>149844096
Deleted. How sad. Mods are gay as usual
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>>149853181
I wanted to explain how dumb you are, but I am being censored by the Mods here. They claim I am being off-topic when the thread itself is political. Mods. If talking about politics is off topic, then you have to delete the whole thread; you can't just bully individuals with whom you don't agree.

>>149853311
Not dumb enough to stick your dick in literal shit

>>149853343
got em

>>149853214
I think there's a word for someone who spends way too much time obsessing over what other people are doing in the bedroom.

>>149853278
Because they don't actually believe anything they're saying, they only want the freedom to do bad things and outlaw every good thing.

>>149853366
the bedroom is the one place you don't keep your faggotry contained to

>>149853371
>they only want the freedom to do bad things

That applies to a lot of people.

>>149853343
>>149853358
I have been successfully censored and you are Fort Night dancing on the grave of free speech.

>>149853386
You still spend an awful lot of time thinking about gay people prancing around half naked. How many pics like that do you have saved?

>>149853395
Not to Christians

>>149847152
>Multiple notable figures of the Bible were polygamous. Were their marriages an abomination to God?
Unironically yes.
Pollygamy is consistently portrayed as one of those things that God dislikes, yet begrudgingly puts up with anyways.

>>149853410
Nigger, they're on the streets in front of our kids, we're gonna kill you fag enablers when we get the chance

>>149853395
No, most people like good things and dislike bad things, only leftytroons are the opposite, and they're an extreme minority

what the fuck why is everyone in these kinds of threads underaged

>>149853421
Oh, especially Christians. Bitch, you really think you're immune to the worst of human nature? Every religion has hypocrites who cherry-pick the bits of the holy book that they reckon will justify their shitty behavior, and they just leave the rest out, like it's a buffet. Christians are merely the most obvious example. How many people call themselves Christians while completely failing to practice any of Christ's teachings? If he walked into the average American church, they'd kick him out for looking like a hobo.

>>149853452
Can't help but notice that you didn't answer my question.

>>149853410
>Insinuating homosexuality as an insult
Good, we're on the same page here

>>149853485
Delusional propaganda, seek mental help

>>149853485
There's this psychological phenomena that's common among criminals, where they falsely believe that everyone commits the same crimes they do, but they were merely unlucky enough to get caught.

That's what you're doing here.

>>149853519
Says the guy who genuinely believes that hypocritical Christians don't exist.

>>149853545
And there's this psychological phenomenon where someone would rather sever his own manhood with a rusty potato peeler and eat it than ever admit to being wrong about anything, even when there's a mountain of evidence staring him in the face.

That's what YOU'RE doing. Have fun with your fantasy world.

>>149853589
That doesn't even make sense.
Lay off the HRT.

>>149853550
If they’re hypocrites they’re not real Christians, they’re mentally ill leftists brutalizing the most beautiful religion to have ever existed to further they’re extremist agenda and this not real Christians

>>149853630
>the most beautiful religion to have ever existed
Bitchfagsayswhat?

>>149853661
I don't speak illegal immigrant

>>149853721
>would arrest Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior on sight because he's an illegal alien who's gonna take an American prophets job away
Your God shall find you *wanting*. I want you to remember that fact, anon

>>149853754
They would never arrest an Israeli

>>149853754
whomst are you quoting?

>>149851967
It’s pretty defensively true.

>>149853371
I know it's easy to blame marxists but I think capitalists unironically have a bigger role in this. My first redpill about capitalism was when I realised that corporations would rather a woman have an abortion than lay for her maternity leave, that they have no problem cozying up with faggot shit because fruits are healthier on average, and that they would rather hire an illegal mexican or indian immigrant and work them for cheap than pay native workers their fair wages.

>>149853823
>Fruits are wealthier* on average

>>149851856
Oh wow I'm sure glad "Some other anon" was around to dictate how I think and what I do.
There just isn't a cute little argument that wraps this up all neatly for you. Your very best case scenario is to acknowledge that it is self destructive, harmful to have around children, but that you have a right to be self destructive on private property with consenting adults and kept private,

>>149852536
part of repenting for bad behavior is that you stop doing it.

>>149853278
>>149853371
Love between a man and a man isn't a bad thing.

>>149853371
Ironic you'd post that image, considering that's the whole MO of fascists as well. Neither the far left or far right believes in objective truth and reality.

>>149853855
>Your very best case scenario is to acknowledge that it is self destructive, harmful to have around children
Actually best case scenario would be to acknowledge the fact that it is neither destructive nor harmful to have around children.

>>149851856
Yeah it wouldn't be a problem if faggots kept it to themselves, i.e. don't ask, don't tell.

Take cuckoldry for example. If you like seeng your wife getting railed by another dde, then that's your... messed up thing. I don't wanna know about it. Like I said, don't ask don't tell.

However, if you're going out in public as a "couple" of three, trying to get the supreme court to acknowledge to bigamous couples as equally valid, and trying to talk about in schools under the guise of "we're not promoting anything, we're just telling them about our existence." Then you're actively making it a part of public discourse while pretending you're not.

>>149853914
Yeah, romantic love isn't the same as platonic love. Has nothing to do with the fact that neither form of love is wrong between two men.

Religion is fake and gay

>>149853885
>Something that only tiny minority finds arousing, and is known to lead to all sorts of physical and mental setbacks isn't bad.
>>149853935
The romantic part is doing alot of heavy lifting considering how gays are notoriously promiscuous and are rarely ever in commited relationships.
>If the legislature hopes to turn gays into faithful marriage partners, they must and will be disappointed by the reality of gay relationships. . . . Obviously, for many couples, living out their sexuality with other partners is an important factor in maintaining the partnership. . . . Positive legal regulation of homosexual unions would accommodate the desire for social integration at the political level, yet politicians cannot be offered a change of behavior in the form of decreased promiscuity.
Here's the source
https://www.gemeindehilfsbund.de/fileadmin/PDFs/Aktionen/dokument_a.pdf
(ctrl f Selbst der Protagonist and you'll find the quote)

>>149854006
>Something that only tiny minority finds arousing
I don't see how popularity has anything to do with the principle. Nobody is forcing you to suck a dick. You might have to accept seeing two men kissing in public.
>The romantic part is doing alot of heavy lifting considering how gays are notoriously promiscuous and are rarely ever in commited relationships.
But would you be okay with the ones who are in committed relationships? Somehow I doubt that's what you're saying.

>>149854006
>The romantic part is doing alot of heavy lifting considering how gays are notoriously promiscuous and are rarely ever in commited relationships.
This has a great deal to do with the taboo perception of gay relationships ensuring monogamy was all but impossible to maintain for any gay person. Oppression encouraged gay culture to place itself in opposition to that which the oppressors claimed to protect. Gay marriage legalization had a cooling effect on promiscuity (though that has become somewhat complex due to the advent of online dating apps, and you can see a similar effect in heterosexual people).

>>149854040
>You might have to accept seeing two men kissing in public.
see>>149853931


>would you be okay with the ones who are in committed relationships?
Idk, that's like asking "would you be okay with an incestuous relationship where there is no grooming, no power dynamics and no kids?" or "would you be okay with heroin use if there was no addiction?"

Maybe *shrugs* but I'd rather look at the prevalence of a negative than the occasional positive exception

Funny how the societies that accept gay people are generally successful, nice places to live, and the places where gays are repressed are hellholes. By all means, move to Uganda and live in your ideal society.

>>149853444
Different laws change with each dispensation he gives. Sacrifice animals was what he wanted until he gave a new dispensation which forbade it.

>>149854133
>>149854006
The quote I posted was a self admission from a gay rights activist. Also, I have my doubts about blaming everything on homophobia
>Non monogamy is because of homophobia
>Aids is because of homophobia

this logic can be extended to literally anything. Circling back to my point about incest, these relationships are frowned upon, with the "rates of abuse and instability" touted as the reasons. Using your logic about how supporting gay marriage would reduce all the consequences of homosexuality I mentioned, one could make the argument that the reason incest has such high rates of abuse and failure is because these relationships mainly exist in the underground, due to social stigma (which makes these relationships more ripe for abuse since the victims might not seek official help, fearing societal shunning) which means we should normalize these relationships to reduce the rates of abuse. Therefore all the problems with incest are due to "incestophobia."

I mean, this is exactly the kind of argument gays are using

>>149853444
>that God dislikes, yet begrudgingly puts up with anyways.
This is a funny view of God as like a stressed out manager where he sees behavior he knows goes against company policy but he has so much goddamn paperwork due tomorrow that he can’t be bothered to tell them to cut it out.

>>149854149
societies started collapsing around the time they started tolerating faggotry
uncoincidentally, faggots also have no concept of legacy

>>149854149
Funny how these societies were successful even before they accepted gays.

Funny how Japan, Korea and Singapore have no official recognition for gays but are generally great places to live.

Gay men having sex with each other isn't a bad thing. Yeah two men are going to have sex more than men and women, because men aren't as selective. A society that tries to repress gays is worse than one that just leaves them alone to fuck each other. See: every shithole that represses gays.

>>149854242
The entire old testament is just a series of jews being unable to follow the most basic commandments over and over again, and modern judaism revolves entirely arouns trying to trick God so that they can do the things God explicitly told them not to do.

>>149854230
The difference here is that incest is a learned behavior that arises almost every single time out of improper socialization, whereas homosexuality is not. There is no incest gene. There are a multitude of “gay” genes.

>>149854258
Japan might not have gay marriage, but it doesn't repress gay people. Attitudes towards them are relatively warm, most Japanese people are supportive of gays. And in the past Japan had varying attitudes about it.

>>149854298
>modern judaism revolves entirely arouns trying to trick God so that they can do the things God explicitly told them not to do.
This is also Mormonism to a hilarious degree. Soaking is the funniest shit Utah ever came up with.

>>149854250
>societies started collapsing around the time they started tolerating faggotry
Not really. The strongest and most successful societies support gays. The ones that are collapsing shitholes tolerate gays the least. You might be mistaking the internet fucking with society with gays fucking with society, because that's the major driver of everything in the past 20 years. Easy mistake to make for stupid people, don't worry you'll get it.

>>149854314
>that incest is a learned behavior that arises almost every single time out of improper socialization,
So is homosexuality
>Gay gene
Lol the closest evidence we have to any sort of gay gene is that homosexuality can be partially genetically influenced. Kind of like how there is no basketball gene, but being born tall can make you more likely to be a basketball player.

>>149854390
Like practically everything, it's a combination of genes and environment. But either way, it's not a choice to get aroused by the same sex or not, it develops without a decision. There's nothing you can do about gay people being different, trying to force them into not being gay doesn't work. Thankfully, being gay is not a bad thing.

>>149854288
See>>149854258
Also, two can play that game.
>Rates of depression, anti socialization among western youth were lower before gay acceptance
>American society in general was happier in the 80s and 90s, before full gay acceptance
>>149854328
Only in recent years lol. Look at polls from before 2015

>>149854429
I saw it, and you can't compare those countries to Uganda or Saudi Arabia or whatever. Japan isn't a terrible place to be gay.
>Rates of depression, anti socialization among western youth were lower before gay acceptance
>American society in general was happier in the 80s and 90s, before full gay acceptance
See >>149854372
Correlation isn't causation. Most societal problems nowadays are caused by widespread, constant internet use, not gay people. Problems including people using the internet to spread hateful propaganda.

>>149854420
It probably isn't a choice to get aroused by family members, animals or kids either, what's your point?
>There's nothing you can do about gay people being different
Suppose this weren't true. Like let's say exclusive homosexuality didn't exist (which is true for all species except for human beings and domesticated sheep). Let's suppose that only straights and bisexuals existed. Would homosexuality be immoral in this scenario, since the bisexuals do have a choice? If yes, then the gay acceptance shit we have is just a pity thing.

>>149854467
>Correlation isn't causation
Yeah, just like how some countries being developed and others being underdeveloped has nothing to do with gay rights. Pay heed to your own words.

>>149854495
Acting like unevolved savages has a lot to do with those places being unevolved shitholes.

>>149854470
>It probably isn't a choice to get aroused by family members, animals or kids either, what's your point?
Those things are harmful relationships, while homosexual relationships are harmless in comparison. Next.
>>149854470
It would not be immoral, because there is nothing inherently immoral about homosexuality. Forcing a bisexual man to repress his attraction to men completely is immoral and causes suffering.

>>149854420
>no you don't understand I MUST stick my penis in smelly man butthole which means you must not only tolerate the fact that I choose to act like this, but also demand toddlers start celebrating my horrible lifestyle choices starting from kindergarten onwards
Yeah, no, nobody is falling for this, just stop engaging in sodomy.

>>149854514
People who stick their dick in another man's shit and get aids should know a thing or two about being uncivilized savages.
Also
>Singapore
>Korea
>Italy
>Poland as of late

>>149854556
If you think gay relationships are harmless, then I have a std and drug abuse stat page to sell you.
Also, who does incest between consenting adults cousins harm, following that logic

>>149854565
>no you don’t understand being gay is SMELLY and ICKY and this is objectively true and you’re lying if you think otherwise.
Try harder, I know you can.

>>149854565
Men and women have anal sex too, I hope you have that same energy for men buttfucking women. You'd still be a tard, but hopefully you're consistent about it.

>>149854634
>Men and women have anal sex too
And those “””people””” don’t deserve to pass on their degenerate genes either

>>149854571
The best examples you can come up with are still relatively nice places to be gay compared to the Middle East or Africa. And Japan is nicer than Korea, with better acceptance. Acceptance is growing in Singapore. Seems clear to me that better countries treat gays better.

Your examples aren't even good, considering places like Italy still have the majority of people accepting gays even if it's less than America.

>>149854634
If 70% of straights had anal sex every day, then sure that's be cause for concern too. Anal sex with a woman is already icky, imagine how weird your mind would have to be to do that with a fucking dude?

If anything stats show that acceptance of anal among straights actually increased linearly with gay acceptance. So if anything, I would wanna oppose the latter if I'm against the former

>>149854619
Yeah retard, you're just mentally ill, you also probably eat shit and rotting meat because you lack the natural instincts that normal people have to not do disgusting unhealthy things.
>>149854634
That's twice as gay, there's a perfectly good vagina right there, designed explicitly to pleasure your cock, and you choose to stick it in a smelly asshole instead.

>>149854685
Okay, and I didn't call for a middle eastern style theocracatic system either. Not my fault that fags are trying to make 90s and 2000s America to be a fascist dictatorship

>>149854634
>>149854698
Also, straights having anal sex is something along the lines of a fetish, or at least fetish adjacent. Since butt secks is the primary way fags do the deed, you can say that fag relationships are primarily based around a fetish

>>149854698
>>149854705
https://www.qsaltlake.com/news/2011/10/19/gay-sex-doesnt-equal-anal-sex-most-of-the-time-study-finds/
Would you guys be cool with the gay guys that are just rubbing their dicks together? I doubt it.

>>149854723
90s and 2000s America was already pretty good about accepting of gays overall. Especially the 2000s. If that's all you want then whatever.

>>149854705
It’s funny because a big chunk of gay men I’ve met live much healthier lives than a lot of straight men. They eat healthier, they’re in better shape, they’re more cultured.

>>149854782
Satan rewards his strongest soldiers, who would’ve thought

>>149854782
Can confirm this. If you're raging against people because you think they're "unhealthy," you've got plenty of other targets. Like everything else, it's just an excuse to hate them.
>Research has also linked obesity to sexual orientation. Compared with heterosexual men, gay and bisexual men have a lower body mass index (BMI; defined as weight in kilograms divided by the square of height in meters)8,9 and decreased odds of being overweight or obese.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3910028/

>>149854816
Satan doesn’t exist.

>>149854751
If you can link a gay website to make a pro gay argument, I can also link a tradcath website to make an anti gay point.

>>149854822
Ok pedo

>>149854825
>tradcath
lol
4chan "tradcaths" are worse than fedora atheists ever were

>>149854833
I’m not a pedophile nor do I let them tell me how to think, you should try it sometime.

>>149854775
>Gay marriage and adoption illegal
>Dadt is still the rule in the military
Yeah that's pretty much what I want
>>149854751
Interesting article. But still, the fact of the matter is there is no proper avenue for sex for queers. They can only do alternate stuff like blowjobs and anal.

>>149854863
Are blowjobs so bad?

>>149854782
>A big chunk of adulterers I know live healthier lives than non adulterers
What does that have to do with the actual morality here?

>>149854820
Hmm now let's look at average lifespan

>>149854863
>Yeah that's pretty much what I want
Well, you're not getting even that. Gonna have to suck it up. And part of existing in the 90s and 2000s was the trend towards more enlightened views on those things anyway, so moving back to the 90s and 2000s would just mean accepting it all over again in a decade or two.

>>149854875
Yes, sex should only be in missionary and ONLY for the sake of protection. Anything else is normalizing the degeneracy that enable pedo faggots to become widespread in modern society, and no just because your porn melted brain thinks “what’s the harm” doesn’t mean it’s actually ok

>>149854751
The thing is, more gays would bitch about an anal sex ban than a bj ban

>>149854901
>The life expectancy of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people is a subject of research. Early research by the Cameron group purporting to find a significantly shorter life expectancy among homosexuals is not considered reliable, although it has been widely misused and cited.[1][2][3][4] During the AIDS crisis, a loss in average life expectancy was observed among gay men.[3][2]

>In the late 2000s, research suggested "the claims of drastically increased overall mortality in gay men and lesbians appear unjustified".[5] As of 2020, data from Sweden found no gap in mortality between homosexual and heterosexual individuals, although mortality may be higher in bisexuals.[6] A 2022 study in the United States found no excess mortality among gay and bisexual males, but found excess mortality among bisexual and lesbian females.[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_life_expectancy
Most recent studies show no difference.
>wikipedia
You can click on the citations bro
https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/lgbt.2020.0482

>>149854888
We weren’t discussing morality, we were discussing the idea that gay people are fundamentally broken in a way that makes them not be disgusted by disgusting things like shit and rotten meat. And I pointed out that they’re actually cleaner and healthier than a significant chunk of heterosexual men, which goes against the idea the first person was arguing for.

>>149854820
No, you don't, they're all dying of gay AIDS.

>>149854907
What about the 80s then?

>>149854937
Somehow I doubt that. Not to mention how most straights with healthy sex lives would complain about a BJ ban too.
>>149854919
Like this guy does not satisfy women.

>>149854314
>There are a multitude of “gay” genes.
Pretty sure homosexuality is more influenced by development in the mother's womb than there being actual genes.

>>149854919
Yes of course a society that represses all sexuality outside of procreation would have ZERO issues with sex abuse. This is definitely borne out by historical example.

>>149854981
How about you work to develop better habits instead of acting on every retarded degenerate whim you have?

>>149855073
>never got a blowjob in his life
If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?

>>149854946
Now I'm not gonna completely write off the study. But I will point out that just because a study is more recent doesn't mean it's more accurate, especially when it comes to a topic where having the "wrong" opinion can get you harrassed

>>149855073
>You come up with a retarded idea that would harm society at large.
>Anon points out how retarded this idea is and how it would hurt society at large.
>You refuse to accept the responsibility of how your idea, if implemented, would cause a lot of problems and decide to blame the individual

>>149855144
Well good thing it's not the only study, not just judging based on recency. Most studies on the subject find similar results. I'm well aware of the problems with academia, but this isn't a particularly controversial result.

>>149855117
It's obvious you have no control over your own actions and therefore aren't entitled to rights beyond, if we're being extremely merciful, being locked away from the rest of society.

>>149855187
As long as you lock me away with all the hot chicks that love giving blowjobs, I'm okay with that.

>>149855145
>society will collapse unless you let me have sex with men's butts
nah

>>149855223
Society is better when it doesn't make a big deal out of trying to stop men from having sex with butts.

>>149855179
I think it can be reduced by the fact that there just aren't too many old gays.

Have you ever considered that it's not that gay lifestyle became or was found to be less dangerous as much as medicine becoming more advanced and stuff like AIDs not being that big of a deal anymore? It's like discovering a cure to cancer and then saying smokers have the same lifespan is non smokers

>>149855246
Still a million times better than Uganda.

>>149855248
>I think it can be reduced by the fact that there just aren't too many old gays.
Well you'd be wrong about that.

>>149855256
uganda is gay as fuck

>>149855302
Agreed

Let's compromise and make sodomy mandatory for jews, and illegal for Whites.

>>149855246
Bring back the fake woke, it was integral to the economy, look at how everything’s gone to shit

>>149845229
>the same slippery slope fallacy used by the other side against gay marriage.
But it wasn't a fallacy. It was a slide down the slope to trannies teaching children about anal sex.