Thread 150151703

I'm tired of over animation

It's a Looney Tunes film, why are you expecting that there won't be over-acting, when one of the main conceits is that it's over-the-top and comedic?

>>150151774
Classic Looney Tunes didn't do this shit.

How many cents were you paid to make this thread?

>>150151844
Sorry for not being an ADHD iPad kid or Ren and Stimpy pervert.

>overanimation
I look forward to the clickbait YouTube essay

>>150151830
You never saw a single Looney Tunes short in your life if you really think so

>>150151853
That's all I needed. Thank you for telling me who you are.

Basically, this thread was made by a bot. Show's over, everypony.

>>150151703 (OP)
So what discord is trying to push this?

How can you be tired of something that's barely a thing, go watch Family Guy clone no. 863 why don't you

>>150151703 (OP)
I'm tired of non-descriptive terms.

>>150151875
>>150151875
>dude Looney Tunes were like Ren and Stimpy!
What is with people forcing this meme? Are spumco fags that delusional?

>>150151830
>>150151853

The films style was literally inspired by Bob Clampetts shorts, retard, not every 2D animated film has to move like fucking Disney

there is no such thing as "overanimation", you're just a faggot

>>150151703 (OP)
No, you’re tired of unmotivated animation.

>>150152017
Bob Clampetts shorts look and feel good. Looney tunes cartoons didn't. Also, the writing was different.

>>150151863
The millenial writing one is actually good, I've rewatched over 10 times already. The others are just disposable slop milking off of internet trends.

>>150151863
>shreddednerd

>>150151703 (OP)
Boohoo sorry the 2D animated film has a different style of movement Disney adult

I don't fully understand what OP is trying to say, but there are scenes in this movie that have some really floaty animation

>>150151983
>cherrypicking from the TV slop
Nigga, you can look at any compilation of CLASSIC (as you said) Looney Tunes from the 1930s-1950s, the real golden era.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uBfgz7ygkE
Also, fuck Spumco and fuck John K. I'm not defending them. I'm shitting on YOU for being an obtuse faggot.

>>150151703 (OP)
>t.

>>150151983
Ren & Stimpy was like the third most influential cartoon of the 90’s after Mighty Mouse and Who Framed Roger Rabbit. You have it to thank for the creative boom of wacky cartoons from that era. Pretty much every wacky cartoon after that to this day is Spumco derived one way or the other, which makes sense, Ren & Stimpy was a love letter to classic cartoons, inspired by Bob Clampett and UPA, and the Spumco era had some amazing animation, there’s a reason the show was so popular around its time, it’s because interest in classic cartoons among normies reemerged and people wanted to see something new after the whole toy commercial era. You’re acting as if expressive animation and Spumco influence is a bad thing, when honestly we need more cartoons these days that embrace being cartoons and make themselves distinct from live-action.

Rocko, Ed Edd & Eddy, Dexters Lab, Cow & Chicken, Courage the Cowardly Dog, pretty much every wacky show of the 90’s R&S paved the way for.

>>150151830
what? wild takes?

>>150151774
>>150151875
>>150152017
But that's not Looney Tunes, even specifically the Clampett style, it's clearly Spumco inspired. It's like saying you're releasing an album that's totally a send up to Black Sabbath and then the whole thing is just Metallica covers or something.

>>150151703 (OP)
>/co/ hates when cartoons are underanimated
>/co/ hates when cartoons are overanimated
What the fuck does /co/ want then?

>>150151983
>here’s an example from the TV era

Shit taste confirmed, opinion discarded

"Man I hate Chuck Jones, he overanimates too much"

>>150152101
>>150152114
These are cool. The OP one looks like shit.

>>150152122
Perfection

>>150152122
/co/ is not one person.

>>150152091
>we're shooting this on twos!
that's still incredibly fluid and expensive animation

>>150152115
You've been presented several examples of """overanimation""" from the classic theatrical films. Fuck off.

"Overanimation" is such a retarded thing to complain about. I bet the only people whining about it are bitches who dream about being cartoonists but don't want to actually do any work.

>>150152115
The Day the Earth Blew Up isn’t even that Spumco-like retard, the characters aren’t as expressive or shift their bodies as much as in R&S. Its more clearly an attempt at replicating Bob Clampetts style, they save pushed expressions for the right moments.

>>150152141
overanimation definitely exists

>>150152129
>durr its bad when newer artists do it
>old good new bad

Take your meds boomer

>>150152156
This may be a hot take but I don’t see NuBobs animation as being a bad thing, I just find it a problem how they utilize the animation over the writing and make their show feel style over substance. Like the show is worked on by Spumco members and younger artists influenced by that kind of work.

While it’s not my favorite artstyle for the show it looks pretty good for a modern cartoon and looks pretty fun to work on.

>>150152156
more like overexpressive

>>150152101
overanimation isn't when a few frames are brought to the extreme. It's when they constantly overdo it without contextual reason.

>>150152178
like this? https://youtu.be/UetUwNg1yBg?si=YS6w3nar89QASC_N&t=14

>>150152088
Bob Clampett

>>150152156
The shit on the left does not compare with Looney fucking Tunes. We're talking about "overanimation" in Looney Tunes, and we're telling you there is none. Like it's been said, the new movies are closer to Clampett than to anything produced by Spumco.
The shit you show me is Spumco-influenced.
Again, fuck Spumco, I agree with that. But never, ever say that modern Looney Tunes are Spumco-influenced/overanimated. Fuck off with that.

>>150152146
>>150152187
Spumco

>>150152190
Clampett

God, I hate so much how Ren and Stimpy shit ruins every thread

>>150152139
We were eating so good back that age that just a slight downgrade felt like killing all the progress made in animation production quality since Snow White.

A testament to how surreal our current timeline is.

>>150152187
>>150152190
>>150152196
I don't understand what are your argument is with these gifs.
(OP is a big faggot, just to be clear)

>>150152140
I don't believe in over animation but I don't accept the they were trying to make something in the style of Clampett or any other Looney Tunes director. They wanted to make it more John K but couldn't say that so they might BS'd. If they did make an honest attempt didn't have the presence of mind to realize they were doing Ren and Stimpy when they thought they were doing Merry Melodies

>>150152204
>progress made in animation production quality since Snow White
Such as?

Simple, linear logic:
>Animation is acting -> Acting is something that has a lot of nuisance and context (depending on the work, scene, etc.) -> acting (and animation) is therefore a subjective art

Autistic, schizophrenic logic
>Animation is about being as crazy as possible all the time (in my headcanon some famous animator probably said this) -> Anything that isn't being crazy all the time is bad

>>150151863
The HB and millennial videos are good. Brown table has some nice animaton videos at least

>>150152146
Where's the cartoon stuff, though? No one's changing color, there's no absurd visual reference gag. They should have done something like Porky and Petunia faint and Daffy's like: "Hold that thought" then grabs their tails and rushes around the ship (dragging their tails to an absurd length like a giant extension chord and wrapping it around various minions moving boxes and stuff) until he finds a power outlet, then reaches into a pocket in his fur and pulls out a charging cube which the camera zooms in on and shows that it reads something like QUICK-E CHARGER then he connects their tails to it and plugs it into the wall and the camera rapidly opens back over to Porky and Petunia who have a phone battery icon appear over their silhouettes showing they fast charge up to 100% which makes them back up and then Daffy steps back into frame and THEN they all finally skedaddle away from the alien or whatever they're all shrieking at.

Now THAT is a Looney Tunes joke. Not just an exaggerated facial expression.

>>150152172
As an adult it's whatever but I wouldn't let a child watch that it gives me the impression it would be like letting their brain smoke a metaphorical cigarette or something.

I hate how John K being a nonce killed the reputation of expressive animation, now according to moralfags Spumco-like animation (basically anything wacky, expressive, and classic cartoon influenced in general) baaaadddddd

>>150152267
Your generation grew up on Ren & Stimpy, he’ll be fine

We need more cartoons that produce functioning members of society

>>150152211
They aren't doing the kooky shit and snort worthy adult jokes. (And I mean s joke only an adult would get like don't open until Christmas not some dick and fart joke) Like the Clampett ones would have people turn green, deflate, do that running your finger across your lips going: "burrby-burrby-burrby" followed by their head turning into a cuckoo clock with a little bird coming out going: "Cuckoo! Cuckoo!" vs John K just had exaggerated expressions often with a grotesque body detail and/or contrasting rosy looking render. They claim they're doing the former but its obviously the latter.

And then the humor is just all wrong. It's like milquetoast millennial humor. Where's the chase scene through the spaceship that gets interrupted halfway through by Daffy suddenly impersonating an IRS auditor and the alien starts backing away, sweating and gulping until he realizes its a disguise and the chase resumes? Nowhere! Instead they have a weird farmer guy that just drowned himself and a quirky scientist girl, forced dreams, and an awkward romance.

>>150152274
>according to moralfags
More like according to people with taste

>>150152280
I didn't watch Ren & Stimpy because it gave me that same feeling and I think that was the right decision. I'd either flip the channel or put a VHS on

>>150152289
True

>>150152262
>>150152304
This anon sums up what I wanted Day the Earth Blew Up to be. This film felt like a pretty good springboard for a bunch of surreal visual gags, but it played itself way too seriously for a Looney Tunes film- which by today's standards is miles wackier than most animated movies today. Everybody gave this film the benefit of the doubt simply because the bar was so low, but I feel like this film is the bare minimum of what a Looney Tunes movie should be.

I was watching a Looney Tunes short on Tubi the other day (one of the throwaway WWII shorts) where the factory building itself was the catalyst for like four or five unique visual gags in the span of a few seconds, without coming off as attention-starved. This movie cuts to a shot of a factory building and it's just a factory building- and the film somehow feels more frenetic and desperate for attention in spite of it all. I feel like cartoonists are still afraid cartoony movies won't be enjoyed if they're just cartoony from beginning to end.

>>150152262
>>150152304
>>150152411
All these. The Day the Earth Blew Up and Looney Tunes Cartoons aren't real Looney Tunes.

>>150151830
Zoomie

>>150152529
The only real Looney Tunes is The Looney Tunes Show

>>150152312
Fag

>>150152529
I'm this anon >>150152411, I'm not against the Looney Tunes Cartoons. It's the best attempt since the original run to try matching the OG shorts. I imagine it's very difficult to try convincing the WB executives to use the Looney Tunes characters in ways that don't align with a marketing bible.

Anybody who doesn't like expressive animation automatically seems like a conformist ssri zombie who has never had a based moment in his life to me.

>>150151983
John K's whole schtick is sucking Bob Clampett's dick.

The only time something looks "over-animated" to me is when there's too much shit on the screen moving at one time so you don't really even know where to look.

>>150151703 (OP)
Don't you get tired of being a faggot?

>>150151703 (OP)
OP is a spooty spoothead

>>150152633
I blame the TV pipeline today and adapting it to a feature length cartoon, I think they did the best they could with the resources and artists they had

>>150152249
Well said.

>>150152249
There is no logical connection here. “Nuanced acting” doesn't make acting “subjective.” The quality of great cartoonists and great live actors is objective.

>>150152884
Yeah, this too. A lot of those LTC shorts live or die by whichever studio is doing the animation work

>>150151703 (OP)
>God I hate modern shitty nu-animation, I wish quality would come back
>NOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!!!

That one simpsons character was right, you fuckasses have NO idea what you actually want. No wonder tradiational died.

>>150151830
>Who the fuck is Bob Clampet

I'm convinced, no one here is an animation fan. This board is just the "whine about indie animation and lewd over western lolis" board.

>>150152025
Gachaslop cope

>>150153073
Okay, I'll bite: what is the "objective" criteria for measuring acting? Believability? Expressionism? Aesthetics? Genre? Because of all these ideas are subjective.

>>150151703 (OP)
They kicked John K out of the industry just so they could steal the king's style and claim it for themselves. Sad!

>>150153223
There was once a time when being an "animation fan" actually meant something, nowadays online cartoon communities are full of gooners and people who overanalyze story-driven writerslop beanmouth shows and say "uuuhhh leh beanmouth style doesn’t exist and akshally it does but it’s a good thing it does"

>>150153223
Clampett had an overall better grasp of timing and anticipation, which I think a lot of modern "cartoony" animation, especially animation trying to emulate Clampett, lacks.

>>150152091
>>150152139
If 24fps is apparently the lowest amount of frames to register as "smooth", then why does 12fps for animation still look pretty good? After all, aren't all those clips of Disney movie paper tests done on 2's?

>>150153356
The king of fools if anything

>>150153606
Disney overwhelmingly uses 1s or 2s. 2s doesn't look bad at all, it's still full animation.

>>150152235
Literally the whole Renaissance Disney era, bro.

>>150153235
IMO exaggerated 3D animation looks best when the characters actually look cartoony, like in Hotel Transylvania or Cloudy, when anime characters or realistically proportioned characters are doing it it just looks weird, which is why I thought K-Slop Demon Hunters faces looked retarded and punchable

>>150151703 (OP)
>I’m tired of Looney Tunes, the very cartoon that that popularized wacky, expressive, outlandish animation and cartooning, being too overanimated

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RZW16iNDEOQ

>>150152017
But it's not actually being dynamic like that clip. It's overanimating more mundane actions and camera direction, which is what makes it feel so forced and uncanny.

Funny how retards are claiming that Looney Tunes of all things is doing "meme faces" now.

>>150154163
NIGGA NOBODY SAID THAT

>>150154163
Both are bad

>>150154722
Retards like you are why beanmouth shows are flooding the industry

>>150153223
>Who the fuck is Bob Clampet
A retarded hack

>>150152044
I'm watching it now. This guy knows Borderlands has always been poorly written and the first game came out in 2009, right?

>>150152122
/co/ hates when cartoons

>>150152091
>karate cow
Would

>>150152122
When it's animated just right

>>150152122
For the wacky faggot to neck himself. Would be nice, I think.

>>150152196
that's not clampett lmao

anyway, my resentment is that we compare to spumco and clampett etc. as if a team of talented animators constantly second guessing what X would do is enjoyable. if you want "clampett" you instead set up a studio system that allows what originally allowed clampett's team to flourish. that's what john k attempted. similarly, all these rubberhose/inkblot pastiches suck because they don't foster the same free spirit of the 30's cartoon studio system - it's instead, day one, "draw like fleischer". if you're asking for "like clampett", you will never ever get it.

>>150152550
>The only real Looney Tunes is The Looney Tunes Show

>>150151703 (OP)
The Day the Earth Blew Up is a great movie. I don't understand what the problem is and why people are complaining here?

>>150156784
They're trying to say the animation and writing aren't authentic enough to the original cartoons.

>>150155242
Stfu tranny

>>150156696
Yes

>>150152025
this and season 12 are real examples of overanimating since you're just putting effort into shit that didn't need it which also loses the charm

>>150156837
>They're trying to say the animation and writing aren't authentic enough to the original cartoons.
To me, they look really great, not exactly the same as the original, but they were aiming for that. Dan Haskett worked on it, and he is extremely strict about quality 2D animation. I don't remember enjoying that movie so much since Looney Tunes: Back in Action.

>>150152095
>Mighty Mouse and Who Framed Roger Rabbit
Those were from the 80s. Are you unable to count? Is that why your favorite cartoon is Ren & Stimpy?

>>150152249
You forgot autistic, nerd logic:
>Animation is about maturity and dealing with feelings -> Anything that doesn’t look like a sitcom is bad

>>150157308
There’s a lag on inspiring productions. Are you detached from how the real world works and that's why you hate Ren and Stimpy?

>>150157709
Sorry but stuff made in the 80s is not "of the 90s"

>>150157738
You also struggle to read. John wrote great stuff on his blog you missed out on

ITT old good new bad fags exposed

>>150157762
The 80s are still not the 90s, you pseud.

>>150152156
The problem with this is the second they change expressions, they're off model. It makes them look like they have no real form or substance.

>>150156696
You don't hate the show itself, you hate that it's the most extreme example of sitcoms and cartoons amalgamating into one abomination, something that these days is often both an unbelievable sitcom and a boring cartoon, but checks enough boxes in theory to work and the cost savings over live-action paired with the tastes of the everyday viewer mean that it can never go one way or another. But the Looney Tunes show did it well.

>>150152633
I'm torn. I really wanted to like them and they do the stuff that in paper sounds exactly like what I wanted (like Porky and Daffy going to an Aztec temple and finding some sapphire monkey statue then getting chased out of it. That's right up my alley) but I just couldn't help but notice how off the humor was and that sort of ruins it for me. Maybe I'll give them a chance again but I have ALL of the Merry Melodies, Looney Tunes, and even Disney shorts to work through because I havent seen most of them in ages and there's countless ones I've never seen so when you compare it to that it's like: "Well, why would I pick that?"

I wish someone who really "got it" could be there just keeping them "on beat" for lack of a better term. I think a lot of them COULD do it, they just need someone to give them some examples like that and sort of act as an editor for their pitches until they start getting the idea. I'm sure once they figure it out they'll have fun with it, I mean who wouldn't have fun thinking up your own Looney Tunes jokes and then being able to actually make them happen?

>>150151703 (OP)
I'll be honest I just hate loud blubbering crying scenes.
Outside that for the movie Daffy's antics didn't feel like they had any actual weight no matter what object he used nor against what. The reasons for them is a whole other issue that's always felt more like retard moment is needed than any actual reason on Daffy's part.

>>150154163
I'm gonna be honest it's really the John K for me. I can respect the guy as a teacher because reading his blog is a really helpful resource but I do not care for the stuff he makes at all. If people could just NOT throw a little bit of his influence in their stuff they would be great

>>150153357
I'm a gooner so that's zero fucking excuse to have this low amount of intelligence and taste.

>>150156174
I'm not the one asking for Clampett, they're the ones who keep throwing his name out like a shield saying: "You don't get it, we're aping Clampett!" When they're not. I don't have a particular Looney Tunes creative in mind, I just want it to feel like Looney Tunes. To have the original flavor if you will.

>>150157847
It's alright, and I don't mind it as a product, though I wish they were still making regular shorts on top of it. Though, I do wish each episode was just an entire episode instead of having the intermissions in the middle. I never enjoy them

back in my day a month ago it was called forced animation

>>150154163
nuspongebob falls under meme faces too

>>150158059
Clampett Daffy wasn’t a genius, but Browngardt Daffy is a fridge temperature IQ mongoloid compared to him. Cartoon characters can be airheaded, but clinically retarded has been played out since Homer Simpson. Even Stimpy was too late to be anything innovative.

>>150152312
Silly thing to say, though to be honest Ren & Stimpy was fucking deranged. At times I do genuinely can't believe it was meant for kids, given the freaky shit that happens in the show

>>150153485
this is true, but sadly we can't talk about that because OP is a retard who just goes "no new bad"

>>150158543
Ren & Stimpy represented a time when cartoons had an edge to them, the 70’s and 80’s were too oversanitized, so 90’s cartoons rebelled against that idea by being as outlandish as possible and seeing what they could get away with, it’s not just R&S, but at the same time you had shows like Animaniacs being very sexually suggestive with Minerva Mink. Kids tv has now become incredibly oversanitized again, shows like Dexters Lab and Ren & Stimpy were enjoyed by both children and adults in the 90’s because of their adult humor, but nowadays kids shows have child protagonists, no edgy adult humor, and all teach about fwendship and feewings. Garbage like StuGo and Big City Greens aren’t loved by adults, they’re loved by autistic manchildren, no normie adult watches that trash.

Nah that scene was funny

John K's biggest hero and source of inspiration is Bob Clampett
So of course anything else inspired by Clampett is going to look vaguely Spumco

its directed by the uncle grandpa asshole, of course its shit

>>150158977
This should've been the only emotional scene of the movie desu, the other one is stupid in a not funny way

>>150159021
Peter Browngardt is fucking based, he made a cartoon that’s proud to be a wacky cartoon at a time when loreshit was becoming popular and angry autistic people laughed at him for it. Look at him now, he’s the head of modern Looney Tunes projects, the very franchise that’s the first thing that comes to mind when one thinks of "wacky cartoons"

His writing and sense of humor is perfect for modern LT projects IMO, this film could’ve been popular among normies if only it wasn’t marketed like shit for being 2D. Unfortunately normies would rather support trash ran by non-animators like Coyote Vs. ACME.

>>150158021
Yeah, I agree with you. I wanted to like them too. When I say "they were the best attempt," the best attempt is still really far off because there isn't really a close alternative. The biggest problem is that the original shorts were a combination of several types of humor (slapstick, observational, satirical, referential, absurdist) rolled up into one at a start-stop pace with legitimately paced stories. The newer shorts feel like they place an extensive focus on slapstick and trying to outfunny the old gags without fully understanding what made them funny in the first place ("instead of making the Gremlim hijack a plane, let's make him hijck an electric car!")

Confessions of a Nutzy Spy is one of my favorite original shorts because the rapid-fire comedy complements dramatic camera angles and a goofy (but legitimate!) take on a suspense story.

>>150159107
Pete's shitty movie flopped lmaoo

>>150159021
It's ok anon, not everyone can understand intellectual humor.

Bob Clampet sucks and Chuck Jones is better.

Except for the time someone made an offensive drug-related Looney Tunes parody and Jones was deeply offended while Clampet laughed so hard he almost choked. That time he was based.

>>150160048
>Clampet laughed so hard he almost choked.
I thought it was Avery?

>>150153235
Why did blud smack his ass :skull:

>>150158245
This, as well. They act like it's "classic Daffy" but it's obviously Jimmy the Idiot Boy.

>>150158543
It's just what I did and how I felt. Even as an adult some friends tried to me Ren & Stimpy because "I can't believe you haven't seen it, it's wild, dude!" and I got to that scene where Ren's humping a chainsaw through Stimpy's ass cheeks and I was like: Nope, not for me, man. I'd rather watch Outlaw Star or some old Hanna Barbara stuff, or most anything else over that.

>>150158984
That's not true, though. You can take it in any number of ways. Aping John K means you're taking inspiration from John K specifically and not Clampett. It's like Nirvana was created by trying to combine The Beatles with Black Sabbath (allegedly) but if someone are to listen to I've Just Seen A Face and Paranoid they're not necessarily going to write Smells Like Teen Spirit.

>>150151703 (OP)
>We wuz want to be Ren and Stimpy
>But hey JHON K BAD IMMARIGHT?

>>150152017
Yeah, and even Bob Camplett ditch it when he move out of WB

>>150158870
>represented a time when cartoons had an edge
>90’s cartoons rebelled against that idea by being as outlandish as possible and seeing what they could get away with
The reality isn't white and black. The 90s and early 2000s had many "sanitized" stuff and the 2010s had some edge. In 1992 you had Batman TAS with realistic guns and serious fights but in 1994 Spider-Man TAS had cops with sci-fi laser guns and spider-man wasn't allowed to directly beat his villains. In 2003 Deathstroke/Slade wasn't allowed to use his iconic guns and swords but in Teen Titans Go movie (2018) he use them. Also, in the early 2010s you got things like Mordecai looking at Margaret's tits and ass and Finn getting "raped" by LSP. Things aren't black and white.
>shows like Dexters Lab and Ren & Stimpy were enjoyed by both children and adults in the 90’s because of their adult humor
Don't try to rewrite history. Adult animation "fans" hated those shows back them. They become iconic overtime.

>>150160048
Chuck Jones kinda feels like a smug pretentious blowhard, even though he made a ton of excellent stuff. It's not really surprising that his version of Daffy basically is a self-aware caricature of him. Meanwhile, Tex is simultaneously both Droopy and the Wolf at the same time.

>>150160048
>Bob Clampet sucks and Chuck Jones is better.
chuck jones found his niche and then got way too comfortable with it

>>150160048
What was it called?

>>150161094
This is the truest post. They want to be John K and rip off his style but he's cancelled so they have to lie and act like it's something else when it's obvious what they're doing.

>>150161250
>>150161505
I don't get that impression and Chuck Jones made lots of cool stuff. Sniffles the mouse, the Dover Boys, Cricket in Times Square, etc

>>150161571
Rabbit Habit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN1bysnHXDg
>>150161629
>Sniffles
Lol c'mon man

>>150151703 (OP)
>>150151830
Faggots, neck yourselves.

>>150151774
FPBP

>>150152140
Obviously they don't quite know the word for what they're complaining about, but the fundamental complaint that it looks fucking weird in a bad way, is valid

>>150161094
>>150161593
Why can't retarded moralfags like you learn how to separate art from the artist anymore? The Spumco style is expressive and a homage to classic cartoons, it just looks good to cartoonists and many from that studio have denounced John K, he wasn't even the best Spumco artist, Jim Smith and Chris Reccardi drew far better than him and I usually replicate their styles rather than Johns when I aim for a Spumco look with my art.

I swear 4Chan becomes more and more like Twitter each day.

>>150159785
No shit, retard, any film can flop when given shitty marketing, if you think that a films box office determines its quality you're a dumbass. I guess by your logic Minions is kino cause it won back its budget.

>>150162117
>Replying to a troll
You won't survive the winter.

>>150153357
The fact that a retarded thread like this even exists just shows how much of a joke the online animation community is these days.

>>150162117
Pete's gonna be out of a job you retard kek

>>150151863
There are already essays in the anime community as that's where the problem originated.

>>150162167
You're the troll, you actually defend this awful movie

>>150162236
And we know the kind of pretentious scum that gravitate towards that content

>>150162229
Where's your job bro?

>>150162284
You're a diddler lmao

>>150161786
You don't like Sniffles?

>>150162309
Stop projecting

>>150161786
Well, that was horrible

>>150162054
I dont give a crap about what John K did. I do, however dislike his style which is besides the point. What I'm saying is they obviously want to do his style but won't just admit it because they think they'll get cancelled so they make up excuses that they're doing something else when they're clearly not. If they're going to do it they should just admit it. Not only because it's the truth, but because then I know what to avoid because I can't stand that style. I'll go see a movie that's truly inspired by Clampett, Jones, Avery, or any other, but if you're doing Spumco let me know and I'll avoid it because I don't find any humor in grotesque idiocy.

>>150162818
They aren't trying to replicate John's style dumbshit, they're trying to replicate the Spumco style in general, which was composed of many artists. Funny how you state that Looney Tunes artists like Clampett, Jones, and Avery had unique artstyles when it was literally the same case for R&S.

We also got Spumco inspired stuff made these days thats very blatant about it, post-sequel SpongeBob is run by Ren & Stimpy artists Vincent Waller and Bob Camp who are very clear with how Ren & Stimpy derived their direction is.

>>150151703 (OP)
I never gave this movie a watch because:
1-I thought Looney Tunes Cartoons was shit, too many gross out and butt jokes making it felt closer to Cow & Chicken than the original Looney Tunes
2-No Speedy or Pepe segments aside from that one cameo which ended up removing Pepe in the end anyways
3-too little variety even after Bugs became the most popular LT in the 40s the original shorts still were very varied with lots of characters and one offs, Looney Tunes Cartoons was mostly Bugs, Porky and Daffy spammed over and over and over
4-Movie is called "A Looney Tunes movie", but they only use Daffy, Porky and Petunia
besides according to the animators themselves there are plenty of LTC shorts that WB refused to release due to their content so these are lost media now and are the reason as to why LTC on HBO MAX repeats many of the shorts to fill some episodes' runtime

OP would no doubt have a fucking seizure trying to watch these shows

>>150163303
Do you not have anything better to do? Go to sleep

>>150163303
>regular show
>overanimated

>>150163324
What are you talking about dude

>>150163204
Basically this

>>150163204
>plenty of LTC shorts that WB refused to release due to their content
Is this true? What kind of content?

>>150163327
Yes dude

>>150163204
The Droopy short they made is also unreleased still

>>150161786
The main thing that got me was 3:57. I also liked that they incorporated "eat at joe's" with the meth lab tubes.

>>150163805
NTA but yeah it's true, multiple artists confirmed there are unreleased shorts because the S&P didn't approve of them. Pic related was screened at Annecy six years ago but wasn't released on HBO Max.
>What kind of content?
Violence, I guess?

>>150163898
i forgot how much i hated the cum stained gloves. why try to be traditional with something that wasn't even attributed to the actual design of bugs bunny they're using

I swear Looney Tunes fans are the most miserable people in existence

>>150163813
By this logic even TTG is overanimated

>>150163813
I don't see it

>>150163898
This looks so bad

>>150151863
>These thumbnails
I hardly watch anything on YouTube anymore besides rewatching videos I had watched before. These look dreadful.

>>150163204
Not a fan of how their Daffy looks

>>150163204
>>150164246
Aside from the same Bugs, Daffy & Porky segments being spammed and the bare male butts/grossout spam It was missing this gag, that's the real problem

>>150164246
Right duck: century old friend of a corporate mascot
Left duck: maniac who will ruin your life in 6 minutes and laugh while doing so
>>150163916
Happens when the item of obsession is so old that nobody left can remember, much less emulate, everything that made it great.

>>150151830
It's not that they didn't do it. They just didn't do it BADLY. There's an art to exaggerated expressions and it's very easy to fuck up.

>>150164246
You're trying too hard

friendly reminder this is already too much animation for you guys.

>>150152289
cartoons aren't that important

>>150152304
And Daffy twerking.............I hope the faggot with the idea dies.......IN HELL!

>>150153223
after having gone to a con this past weekend it's not just the internet. I went to a billy and mandy panel and one of the questions was what did atoms do after billy and mandy. shit the entire room didn't even know about bunnicula.

Unironically the only people keeping the animation fandom alive are boomers. I can count a handful of people who have actually watched a series let alone a season of a show.

>>150162988
Ok, well I don't care for the Spumco style and I think they're still trying to dodge around admitting that's what they're doing because of the association with John K.

the one big issue i have with browngardt's looney tunes is that it draws such heavy influence from clampett it just makes me wish i was watching clampett instead

>>150152044
I didn't see it, but the problem is that "millennial writing" doesn't exist, it's always Gen X who are truly responsible.

>>150163204
That reminds me, these people also suck and deserve no hand holding because of that. Getting rid of Speedy and Pepe AND refusing to let Elmer and Yosemite Sam have guns because it's "problematic"???? If you're offended by a Looney Tunes cartoon, I'm sorry, but you're a stupid faggot and your opinions don't deserve to be heard or respected. The GAUL to be a crappy animator and think you can police THE LOONEY TUNES. The disrespect.
>>150163303
I did not watch any of those shows except for early Spongebob when I was a kid. Even then I believe I stopped watching after Atlantis Squarepantis.
>>150163898
>>150163915
I can't believe they got away with the gloves thing. WHY? Why would you want to do that?
>>150164246
I also dislike their Daffy. Like, just use the good one that everyone likes.

>>150153235
>Gachaslop
>tranimation
you're retarded.

>>150151703 (OP)
>overanimated
>underanimated
Not possible. It's either animated or it isn't.

>>150151703 (OP)
When you grow up watching nothing but sterile Cartoon Network slop, it's not surprising that being exposed to actual animation can over-stimulate a dumb zoomer brain.

We need some underanimated shows that look like this.

>>150163303
The only, and I mean ONLY, cartoon that's "overstimulating" is Ren and Stimpy.

>>150155412
He was definitely hiding his power level to not scare out the purple pills and filter out the normies and falls incredibly short in his copium that Twitter was the source of all the issues in the industry (as if the producers were just clueless idiots who had not clue what their consumer base wants, obvious BULLSHIT is obvious). But I think he still does a great job of encapsulating the majority of the observable issues plaguing storytelling in modern videogames, just never expect a video from jevvtube to ever get get below just the surface level of the far bigger, grimmier picture, as always.

>>150164387
It very much is though. Too much squash and stretch, anticipation frames, character acting and body language that communicate nothing to the audience and are so obnoxious that they betray the reserved, subtle and mischieveous/untrustworthy/unpredictable nature of the character they were supposed to portray. All of this misguided extra care and attention to the animation only succeds in distracting the audience from paying attention to the conversation if anything at all.

More animation =/= better animation

>>150167069
>distracting the audience from paying attention to the conversation

i'm used to hearing network executives and sitcom showrunners talk like this, but it's especially disheartening to see on a hobbyist board

>>150163204
>>150163303
>>150163915
>>150167069
God this thread is autistic as fuck, do some you retards even hear yourselves?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kHpXle4NqWI&pp=ygUWRXZlcnkgZnJhbWUgYSBwYWludGluZw%3D%3D

Remember that even Chuck Jones got tired of over-animation.

>>150165477
Stfu

>>150164237
Protip: if you include "before:2010" or whatever your preferred cut-off year in your search, you will only get videos uploaded before then. It makes for a much less vile experience.

>>150151703 (OP)
Do you mean overanimation as in too many frames, too many secondary movements, or too much exaggerated acting? I can agree to each of these in varying degrees, but they aren't the same problems.

>>150152000
I honestly love that show. Surely wish it got more recognition and love in more general public eyes..

>>150151830
Wow, incredible, you're 100% wrong.

>>150152091
Kinda sad to know wesrern animation basically became this, thats why characters are resedigned to be inthe simplest of shapes, thats the whole reason the calarts style of animation exist.
Geez, hanna barbera ruined everything for us all.

>>150158977
does this have a tag on the boorus. for full on blubbering. I kinda want to see that.

>>150151703 (OP)
Disgusting

>>150151703 (OP)
Aren't we all?

>>150167274
Truth hurts

>>150167189
>i'm used to hearing network executives and sitcom showrunners talk like this, but it's especially disheartening to see on a hobbyist board
The average zoomer has the same design sensibilities as a network executive.

>>150151774
Yes.

>>150167202
What’s wrong with being autistic?

I haven't watched ALL of the Looney Tunes Cartoons, but from what I did see one thing I didn't like how they treated the main three - Bugs is always on his own (aside from Elmer/Sam), Daffy and Bugs never interact, and Daffy and Porky are always a duo and never have solo cartoons of their own. Why were they so weird with them?

>>150151703 (OP)
>no, that's too looney

>>150163898
God I hate the yellow gloves. Why can't things be white anymore? I hated the off-white, 'cream' color of the Warners' faces in the Animaniacs revival, too.

>>150171901
Nobody actually likes us

>>150170865
Retard

>>150173037
>Dot's fingers going through the rails

bruh

>>150151830
Retards exposing themselves in the (you)s. Looney Tunes didn’t do this shit. It typically relied on more subtle reactions from the characters to contrast the whacky hijinks.

However, Daffy Duck has consistently overreacted in nearly every animation he’s ever been in, it’s a staple of his character. Porky Pig should be a little more subdued to heighten the contrast in my opinion, that’s my only issue with it.

But also it is ugly and looks too clean for my tastes. So I don’t know.

>>150163916
It’s all animation fans really.
>Fan 1: I like this animation style/studio/series
>Fan 2: I prefer this one
>Fan 1: You’re Hitler!

>>150152156
>/co/cksuckers will look at this and ignore it.

>>150173605
Spermco fags are like "yooo 'more expressive' = always better!!" and don't see anything retarded about it. It's a fool's errand trying to talk to people with one-dimensional thinking.

>>150151863
>>150152044
>>150165225
It's just cope from zoomers knowing they're a generation without culture.

>>150154163
Kill all wojakposters

>>150174215
My generation has the antichrist

>>150173730
The right is funny, Spongebob is a funny cartoon.

>>150152267
Considering your posting here I doubt your thought child has much of a chance anyways

>>150174293
Your axiom: Everyone thinks the same things are funny as yourself.

>>150174459
There’s nobody alive who hates anything about the first season of Spongebob.

>>150151703 (OP)
Hey, >>>/a/ is over there.

>>150174274
>The mouth smiles, the eyes don't.
I have only watched one video of his.
It gave me a very dystopian feeling.
Also it's just reality tv on the internet and I fucking hate reality tv.

>>150173730
Animation where animators can have fun drawing unique expressions and poses sounds much more fun to look at than giving a cartoon lame Disney acting that you've already seen in hundreds of other shit

>>150152044
>>150166896
>>150165225
millennial writing is just a bunch of 30 something year old nerds who were never popular or cool in high school and/or college trying to write characters that are suppose to be cool.

millenial "humor" is self-deprecating jokes about being poor that the more you experience that type of humor the more you become convinced that being poor is a lifestyle choice and the people who make these kinds of jokes choose to be poor.

>>150151703 (OP)
No, anon, anything that isn't png's sliding across the screen isn't over animation.

>>150174459
This is a pedophilic response meant for a kid
Ren and Stimpy, Looney Tunes, Popeye, all had a massive audience for their wild and creative animation.
>>150174619
I'm sure God finds things he's disappointed about.

>>150154163
I'm all for euthanizing wojakers and pepebois.
You can quote me on that NSA glownigs.

>>150154722
I bet your only acceptable form of media is B^Uckley comics.

>>150173154
Holy shit.

Spongebob is just the only cartoon that lets these guys do whatever the fuck, everything else out there is a tweened piece a shit or a loretoon. Adult animation is completely out of the question.

>>150152139
>if only you knew how bad things really are
>>150153606
I can't stand it when parts of a scene are animated on different frames.
It's like when a modern film records shots from one camera, as if accidentally set up wrong at the start of the project, at 60fps, and no-one cared to edit it down when putting it together.

>>150154163
>looney tunes faces are bad because... nuSpongebob and zoomer shows are bad
?

>>150174619
I don't like the color palette.

>>150164387
That animation is just flicking a character around repeatedly.
Emphasis on flicking.

>eye roll
>oh her wings are out
>oh she disappeared
>she's floating down
>oh she's now the other way around
>oh she's bouncing a lot
Haha, yeah, let's minimise in between frames and focus on the keyframes the overpaid storyboarder wants us to make.
I wouldn't be surprised if their software does the "smears" for them and they only need minimal manual editing.
I would assume this is genuinely desired in children's shows rather than an incidental evolution caused by current year factors, as it's not new nor uncommon to be hyperactive and meaningless, in children's shows.

>>150167248
>we know wile e coyote's traps fail
>so it's funnier when it happens off screen
No. It's funny because it's funny. It happening off screen is not an inherent part of his character, it's the save budget, especially as the golden age is not only already over, there's less and less money coming in to pay for the cheap artists who ink and paint the cels by tracing the sketches.

>>150173154
I recall that show having a lot of cheap animation. Like scaling things up and down, digitally, to imply distance changing/movement.

stupid thread

>Original people do something dramatic and exaggerated
>It fits and looks good
>People who grew up on this shit just copy the same exact stuff but forget to put the soul in it
>Faggot redditors and animators get mad that people don't eat up their shit slop despite it being the "SAME EXACT THING" (its not)

Yeah sorry faggot I'm not watching the new seasons of Sponge Bob.

>>150174712
>it's just reality tv on the internet
Well no wonder he's so huge, people LOVE reality TV

>>150177298
YOU'RE a stupid thread.

>overanimated meme gets to bump limit yet again
Reminder faggots repeating this buzzword want every cartoon to have Family Guy tier animation.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=63wJItfmu_0

>>150153277
He’ll never answer this because he’s wrong, but he can’t handle it. To him art needs objective measures, because if there’s binary good art he can like that kind of art and feel superior to the people who like objective bad art. It also means that art is a solved societal issue, and all the complicated nuanced discussion that makes him uncomfortable or just flies right over his head can instead be rationalized as superfluous cope.

>>150155412
Don't watch those Youtube analyst videos, Anon.

why are bugs' gloves yellow

>>150175186
It's also nepo hires with trustfunds making jokes about "being poor" when they've never been poor.

>>150177329
It's actually this desu

>>150178678
Because white gloves are racist or some shit (no, really).

>>150178714
trustfund kids LARPing as the poor has been a thing since the 60s (see hippies, punks, hipsters, beatniks, etc.).

>>150151703 (OP)
Given the vast majority of animation now is cheap slop with stiff, unexpressive animation to save money and production time, I'll take any examples of overanimation every time.

>>150178678
Mandela Effect

>>150152115
>>150152146
Wasn't John K tangentially inspired by Bob Clampett?

>>150151703 (OP)
You're a bigger crybaby than Daffy or Porky.

>>150178678
Because they were using aspects of early versions of the characters. Bugs wore piss gloves in two cartoons and also in comics and merch.

>>150163915
>>150173037
>>150178678

This is literally the same shit as Chris Chan complaining about Sonics blue arms, who gives a fuck.

>>150167069
You sound like Animat when he raged out over Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs design and animation, animation is a medium, you expect people to not stretch 3D animation a bit and see what you could do with that? You expect all 3D animated shit to move like Pixar

FFS even Pixars earliest films, despite their dated graphic, had more exaggerated movements and character acting in them before they switched to what is basically Disney acting but 3D, I swear this entire thread is pure retardation and a good example about how modern animation "fans" don't know shit about animation.

>>150180703
Pixar was always Disney in 3D. John Lasseter came from Disney and applied the 12 principles and animation/film grammar into a 3D medium. The most-stupid thing that people here believe is that Disney animation never uses exaggeration or non-human subjects, which is completely ridiculous.

>>150175729
>This is a pedophilic response meant for a kid
I have no clue what this comment is supposed to mean, it's a complete non-sequitur. If I ever see you in real-life, I will beat your mentally ill ass within an inch if its life, because it's not acceptable to randomly say shit like this.

>>150159107
As someone who saw TDtEBU opening night and bought it on digital, CvA doesn’t look bad

Kinda wish it wasn’t “3D imitating hand drawn” but whatever

>>150160948
They were showing you the Spike TV one that was intentionally designed to be as fucked up as possible


The original run’s in that sweet spot of just being insane ENOUGH without crossing the line TOO far

>>150178736
How can people say stuff like that and not have people remove them from the project for being insane?
>>150179304
And Kurt Cobain was tangentially inspired by Black Sabbath. That doesn't mean you can release a Black Sabbath tribute album and put Heart Shaped Box on there.
>>150180562
That's the worst way of doing things. People want one or the other (and it's never the really version) they certainly don't want a word amalgamation that feels out of character to both.

>>150183669
>How can people say stuff like that and not have people remove them from the project for being insane?
Because nobody who worked on the project said that, and you are a gullible person. Anon assumed it had something to do with the minstrel discourse without looking it up to see it was a stylistic choice.

>>150180562
I wish I had friends to invite to an outside picnic...

>>150162722
Stop deflecting

>>150152597
Sperg
>>150156859
Gtfo granny

>>150185982
Stop enabling

>>150186147
enbie?

>>150186192
Enby Tunes~