Themed Questions:
>How is magic/curses used in oppressing women?
>Are there Gods/Demons or any kind of sex cults/religion?
>Do Female only races, Monster girls, Elves and etc. exist in setting?
>What other Fantasy tropes are perverted to fit this /D/egenerate world?

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Disclaimer:
This thread is for fetishizing a patriarchy where it's biological men being Doms and biological Women as Subs

>>11308280 (OP)
Extra Questions:
Fantasy Nobility:
> Are there many different tiers for men?
> Are there many differences between men, their rights and their powers?
> Is there a difference between common females and those born from influential families
> What's the difference in their lifestyles, rights, duties and expectations?

Religion and Mythology:
> Are all people taught the same religion and myth, or even the same version of that myth?
> Or is there difference in theology taught to different ranks and genders?
> What is the creation myth of the world taught to females like?
> How does that origin point influence culture and daily life of females?
> What rights and benefits does it bring to men?
> How does it influence men's image and standards? Rightful rulers? Benevolent guiders? Superior conquerors?
> What restrictions and duties are there due to the religion's teachings? What are the taboos and requirements of the religion?
> What are the differences in the treatment and lifestyle of those within and without the church power structure?

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>> Are there many different tiers for men?
To expand my awful ideas from last threads
>Monarch (one per empire)
>Princes (any person patrilineally descended from a monarch, so his sons, son's son, brother, brother's kids)
>Nobility (people who have been given land by the monarch)
>Knights (warrior servants of the nobility)
>Gentlemen (anyone who earns a certain amount of land)
>Commoner (free)
>Slave (unfree)

A a small percentage of men are born as "soulings".
A souling is a patrilineal descendant of a shamaness and can mind-control 100 orcs using a soul pendant. Making them the core of the military.
Lowest rank a soulling might have is a knight.
If the knight is able to provide exceptional military service, they might be elevated to the caste of nobility.

>> Are there many differences between men, their rights and their powers?
Yes, men from the higher castes can legally seize lower-ranking people's wives, though they have to be financially compensated.

>>11308286
>Are all people taught the same religion and myth
There's multiple Deities in this setting they are locked in a constant struggle for power "the great game".
More worshipers they have in the mortal realm more powerful they become with more influence on the mortal realm.
IE direct miracles and changing reality. Setting centers on Lilith the Goddess of fertility, pleasure and sex.

>difference in theology taught to different ranks and genders?
For both men and women it's core ideal is that promiscuity and lust are virtues.
Chastity and monogamy are seen as mortal sins, IE you are rejecting the pleasures the goddess as given you.
But Male/Female divides still exists, Men act as the benevolent masters of women so they may focus on sexual service and procreation.

>creation myth
Lilith was the mother to all other Deities, they first lived in a lewd peace and breeding with each other to populate the world.
Eventually other gods grew distant from Lilith shunning their mother instead building their own religions & cults.

>influence culture and daily life of females?
Women of Lilith are blessed with fertility and a lewd change to their biology.
When being impregnated my a man other then her master the offspring are always female.
Between master and slave, it will always be a male.
Women are thus encouraged to sleep arround in hopes of giving her master more slave daughters.
It's religiously justified as bringing new life into the world to be raised as worshipers of Lilith.
Also maintains a healthy population balance where men are heavily out numbered by women.

>What rights and benefits does it bring to men?
Lilith chose man to rule over and to protect women, in return is obviously the right to sex.
After all women are seen as simple minded and ruled by their lust, so best men do all the thinking.
Thus the concept of consent for women doesn't really exist in the faith, if a woman is marked as a whore or free use.
Then it's a anywhere, anytime deal.

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>>11308286
> How does it influence men's image and standards?
This lean firmly into the realm of strict but loving Daddy-dom.
Good girls should be rewarded with head pats, love and praise.
Disobedient women are to be reformed and taught how to correctly behave.
If harsher punishment are needed to teach them a lesson then so be it so long as reform is the goal.

>restrictions and duties are there due to the religion's teachings
"Swinging" as both men and women are encouraged to have many sexual partners.
Besides a woman's obligation to give her master a few male heirs her other duty is birthing the slave women of the future.
Restrictions for women also includes things like clothes, they are to wear less of it as long as the situation allows for it.
It should be designed so that sex is never too inconvenient.

>What are the taboos and requirements of the religion?
Monogamy is a sexual and moral taboo it's seen as a slave woman seeking out too much power for herself.
For a man it's seen as rejecting the right to causal sex Lilith gave to him as well as leaving other women unloved.

>within and without the church power structure?
Main difference is the ownership of women, Holy men of the church don't own any slaves of their own.
Daughters of Lilith(Nuns) pelage themselves entirely to the Goddess specifically to the duties of sexual service and breeding.
In practical terms it means Holy men will have no male heirs, instead only fathering daughters with Nuns.
But conversely these men are thus entrusted with such large numbers of women it can rival the harems of royalty.
Nuns are also public use whores so that's another factor to consider.

Rough ideas for a new setting, any anons have things to add or questions to help flesh this out?

>>11308683
> Seize lower ranking men's wives
...Why? Why not just make it so higher ranking men can have more wives and afford more slaves?

>>11309303
This seems to mainly be an orgy setting?
> Monogamy seen as a mortal sin
> Encouraged to sleep around to give master more slave daughters
So... how much control does the Master have over his women? Can he keep them for himself and forbid them from fucking other men?
Is there a way to avoid giving birth to boys? Bcs this means if the Master only wants 1 son, then he can only fuck his slave once. And he can't have any daughter to keep as fucktoys bcs they belong to other men.

> Lilith
As the origin of all Gods, it would make her the top, which isn't very... patriarchal. And who would she breed with to birth the first male God?
Why would she hand over ownership of the world to men, if it's women who are built in her likeness?
So wouldn't it be better to have another earlier male God to create, own and impregnate her, then give her to his sons?
Or hell, why not multiple Liliths? An entire race created to be God's Concubines? Like mikos and elves in some stories, powerful with Godlike bodies, but no God authorities.

>>11309317
> Clothes
Instead of wearing less, why not wear the normal amount, but with cutouts and buttons to allow easier access while maintaining practicality in work clothes?

> Nuns
There's public use duty and serving Holy men duty. But what other duties are there? How many fuctions does the Church serve, and how many departments are there to handle them?
And can I place an order for a nun to be shipped to my house? Can I own the daughter born, or would they automatically become nuns too?

> Gentle maledom
Would there be a place for more sadistic men? Would there be any fringe regions where things are done differently?
Either in men's treatment of women, or even in what is taboo. The main society could have a live and let live relationship with the 1st while organizing crusades or preaching to the 2nd.

>>11309656
>...Why? Why not just make it so higher ranking men can have more wives and afford more slaves?
Because it is historical, e.g. kings of France often took their vassals' wives as their mistresses.
And because I like netorare.

>>11309672
> Historical
And historically, men died on the battlefield in the thousands and only took 1 wife
> Because I like it
Let's be real here. Unless you're the King aka the very top, you wouldn't be immune from being cucked. And you are NOT King material. We are all 4chan basement dwellers. What happens when the love of your life gets taken away? Oh right, you probably don't have one.
As I said in the previous thread, imagine yourself in all positions a man can find himself in.

>>11309656
>earlier male God to create, own and impregnate her
>why not multiple Liliths? An entire race created to be God's Concubines?
Noted, quick rework of the creation myth:
God creates Lilith as his instrument to populate the world, things get started here as a breeding.
Hence man's role as protectors and masters of women, that's man's side of the religion.
Women emulate Lilith and her daughters, aiming to be good breeding sluts in their service to men.

>This seems to mainly be an orgy setting?
Yes sexual activity is open a very libertine for both men and women.
Both in public and private, there's very few places where sex is seen as inappropriate.

>how much control does the Master have over his women?
It's near total control over his women; if he wants to keep her to himself, what work she does, etc.
As long as he's not wantonly abusing/killing women and going against man's holy role as the benevolent masters of women.

>avoid giving birth to boys?
Well man-made magic exists, could be used simply for contraceptives. IE womb tattoos.
If a man wants to keep a few women to himself that's acceptable( even if seen as a bit odd).
So long as he's still sleeping arround with other women and not letting his favorites gain power over his sex life.
Alternatively have another man breed her and you wont have to worry about it for the next 9 months.

>can't have any daughter to keep as fucktoys
That works both ways when men allow their slaves to sleep arround for the sake of getting daughters.
You'll be putting daughters in the wombs other women, and your own slaves will of course have their own daughters.
Hence this setting there's a lot of "Swinging".

Daddy play is still possible here, sure your going to be raising women fathered by other men.
But your raising them to be your fucktoys, just as god created Lilith to be his bitch.

>>11309699
>What happens when the love of your life gets taken away?
That's assuming love exists in a patriarchy.
Personally, I think exploring the utilitarian aspect is interesting. Where attachment to women is looked down upon, and they are exclusively seen as trophies.

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>cutouts and buttons to allow easier access
Really like this concept just plain naked can be too vanilla, but turning All of women's clothes into fetish outfits is perfect.
Was thinking that clothes signals if a woman is being whored out, free use, softcore sex, etc.
Instead slave Collars could be used prevents confusion and it's clearly seen regardless of outfits

>But what other duties are there?
Non-lewd duties could cover things like mid-wifery, being nannies, etc.
The types of roles that a noble can fill with his own slaves as he has so many.
Nuns offer these services to men who don't have so many slaves and massive estates.

>nun to be shipped to my house? Can I own the daughter born,
Ownership over any daughters from nuns is only allowed if it's known your the father.
So if you really wanted to have you own biological daughter as a fuck toy then this is how you'd do it.
A nun would be honored to help a man in this endeavor.

>would they automatically become nuns too?
During orgies or public use it's simply men knocking up nuns and defaulting ownership to the church.
That's how they produce their own slaves, of course donating women is allowed.

>place for more sadistic men?
>fringe regions where things are done differently?
Sadism would be directed mostly at heathen women not good obedient sluts.
Full on Crusades and raiding gangs means border regions have a steady supply of captured women.
They don't emulate Lilith AND they're born out side the faith, well here men are given more freedom in how to deal with them.
Rules/taboos regarding the treatment of women are optional/can be ignored when dealing with heathens

>Is there a way to avoid giving birth to boys?
Honestly, avoiding it using magic is kinda cheap-ish to me.
The genetic thing is where it is all about.
Imagine women come in two varieties, one that can birth only boys, and another that can birth girls.
I guess the dilemma this present is does nobility bother at having daughters at all.
And if not, do all noblemen's wives come from lower classes?

What's with all the voluntary cuckolding going on? Do neither of you know love? Why are both so eager to have their women fucked by other men?

Degrade women all you want, but unless they're vat grown clones with identical features and broken or slutty minds (not the thread topic), each one has her own appearance, thoughts, personality, preferences, skills and upbringings. Each is unique in her own way, and irreplaceable.

A patriarchy shouldn't be about reducing every women into tits, asses and holes, at least not a fantasy one. It should be about freedom for men to do whatever they want. The differences just means more variety and the authority to dominate and control them regardless of their personhood.

Don't you want a woman who can perform erotic dances for you? One who can cook? One who's a good conversation partner? One who can sing to you? One who can help you with managing other women? One you can torture and humiliate, and one who can help you with that?
Now imagine her taken by another man? Being intimate with and moaning to him? Begging for his cock? Thinking of him whenever she sees her daughter? Not serving you with her expertise?

>>11309713
What a sad, miserable world, where men aren't allowed to be honest with their feelings or form emotional bonds with others, especially the ones they're fucking.
With the orc thing, the male slaves, the eunuchs, the wife limit, and now the wife stealing, I don't think you want men to be happy.
Or perhaps your mind is still shackled in some form. You would do better in a matriarchy, at least until you've freed yourself and could imagine yourself unbound. Perhaps the slavery thread would be more preferable for you?

>>11309766
Says the guy who literal warrior women in their setting.
You have a very specific idea of patriarchy, and you are imposing it on others.
Either way, I'm not going anywhere.

>>11309778
You keep talking about warrior women. What the hell is that even about? Have you ever heard of gladiators killing each other for the crowd's entertainment? If men aren't going to war, then who else but women slaughtering each other?

And in case you didn't read, as you often don't, their blades are rarely, if ever, pointed at men. Even when they do, the men dominate them anyways, so it's still male superiority.

>>11309789
Either way, it's probably just you and me in these threads.
So, we should get along, even if we disagree on ideas of patriarchy.

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>genetic thing is where it is all about
>women that can only birth girls
It's the whole fantasy trope of empowered gods messing with reality.
Women worshiping Lilith have this lewd system of having male or female offspring.
As for the idea of women that can only have daughters, maybe that's seen in servant races of Demi-humans.
Nekos, Wolf/dog girls man's loyal servants who rely entirely on men for the continued existence of their race.

>>11309766
>voluntary cuckolding going on?
It's this Fertility focused that's given men and women this perverted morality that sees promiscuity as a virtue and Chastity as a sin.
God and his breeding slut Lilith are now two gods among many, the more worshipers they have the more powerful they become.
Just a lewd cheat code to have their followers mate and procreate to gain more worshipers.

>imagine her taken by another man?
>intimate with and moaning to him? Begging for his cock?
Your doing the same by fucking arround with other women, it's common here for men to swap women.
Or attend community orgies. It's not a man being left out of sex, it's moral standards are extremely libertine regarding sex & breeding.
Hence "swinging" both men and women having many sexual partners.

>>11308280 (OP)
Laws of Breeding
>Women are a valuable resource, and their childbearing capacity should be valued
>Such a thing ought to be monitored by "the Bureau of Population Growth" (BOPG)
>When a girl turns twelve, BOPG will review them
>Based on their class, region, and family history, BOPG determines their birth burden
>Birth burden is the number of children a woman has to bear, which typically ranges from 4 to 8, but in devastated regions might be as high as 12
>Girl's burden must be fully completed by the age of 42
>However, they must also stay in "birthing schedule", which is determined with a formula of (12 + (30 / birth burden))
>Birth schedule determines how many children the woman should have by a certain age
>For example, if the birth burden is 5, there should be a birth every 6 years
>1st child by the age of 18
>2nd child by the age of 24
>3rd child by the age of 30
>4th child by the age of 36
>5th child by the age of 42
>If the woman is behind on the schedule, the BOPG fines the husband/master of the slave and takes custody of the woman
>the woman will then be taken to the breeding farm in order to get her back on the schedule
> After she is back on the schedule, a new husband/master is assigned to her
>Birth burden is marked on every woman's back with a tattoo of hollow circles
>And every time she gives birth to a child, one of the circles will be filled
>When a woman completes their birth duty, she is considered a matron, and given a degree of autonomy

>>11310638
Adding a few points:
>Society lavishes pregnant women with positive reinforcement, even incorporating pregnancy into beauty standards
>Young women of 18 is viewed with the beauty of potential motherhood
>While older women bearing the marks of past pregnancies is seen like a Venus fertility goddess
>Women are taught that meeting or exceeding their Birth burden is the greatest thing she can devote her life to.
>Though women are given a birthing schedule and the age of 42 to complete it, they are praised for going above n beyond.
>Rather common for young couples (18-30) to toss aside that silly 1 birth per 6 years
>With fertility treatments and women of good pedigree twins or triplets can help a woman meet her birth burden quickly...
>However even when a woman is faced with being sent to a breeding farm they embrace it wholeheartedly
>they've internalized breeding to the point that they'll see it as a blessing.
>as for matrons who've completed or exceeded their birth duty they're still contributing to society.
>many are matrons well before 42, so taking up duties as midwives, nurses, nannies, etc. is common

>>11310739
Great expansion. Fully agree with those ideas.

Some further ideas related to that, I think that BOPG should be entirely run by matrons, because I'd imagine men have better things to do.

Either way:
Laws of Marriage
>Once a boy turns 14, he is automatically signed to a breeding program
>How over his chances of finding a bride are actually determined by something called MBN (Male Breeding Need)
>MBN are points that determine priority in getting a wife, and it's purpose to assure equal and fair distribution of women
>MBN is based on two things: statistics and earned points
>Points from statistics are calculated on the following formula:
>(( MIN(54, AGE) -14) × 50 - (NUMBER_OF_LEGIMATE_CHILDREN × - 500)) / (CURRENT_NUMBER_OF_WIVES +1)
>The maximum points from statistics is 2000, reachable if a person is 54 (or older) and has 0 children and 0 wives
>For 14-old boy, thus starts with 0 points
>However, this is where the earned points make a difference; there are three main ways to earn points
>1st, military service
>For every year in service, 100 MBN will be rewarded, capped at 1000
>2nd way is volunteer work in breeding farm
>A volunteer can fuck men who are behind their birth schedule, every spurt, will be rewarded with 1 MBN (capped at 200)
>3rd, and the main way to earn MNB is with "pleasure test"
>A man undergo pleasure where they will fuck a matron
>Matron will then grade their performance: S (800 MBN), A (400 MBN), C (200 MBN), D (100 MB), D (0 MBN)
So, a 14-old boy could potentially get 1000 MBN if they fuck 200 coom times in women on breeding farms and are able to impress a matron with the pleasure test earning them S grade, which would put them on same MBN as 24 year old who have done none of that

>>11310780
>BOPG should be entirely run by matrons
Almost entirely by women, a Few men at the top to keep matrons in line.
Beside them the lower/mid ranks of the BOPG is entirely staffed by women.

Matron mindset:
>Genuinely motherly instinct towards the women she's entrusted with
>but also a bit of lewd jealousy that they'll be bred instead of her.
>Open lust towards men of breeding age and yet also reverence
>Seeing men as the other half that allows women to fulfill their duty as mothers...
>these perverted feelings of love n lust stemming from her own experiences as a breeding bitch
>As she's seen her own sons and daughters join the program, she wants to handle her case work with care too.

>3rd, and the main way to earn MNB is with "pleasure test"
Just a note to add:
>Bonus points for getting a matron pregnant during testing!
>Not all of them are at menopause
>Many matrons are still fertile after having reached (and passed their birth burden)
>A happy accident for everyone involved

>automatically signed to a breeding program
Should be made clear:
>Sex-ed for both men and women is hands on and/or in person
>Matrons running guided tours of farms, Sex is filmed for both pleasure and educational purposes
>And of course once males and females are ready for mating the program fast tracks them to finding partners.
>No one is reaching 20 as a virgin, that's the goal of every matron doing case work

>person is 54 (or older) and has 0 children and 0 wives
That I'd say is purely hypothetical no matron assigned with a man's case would let things get that far!

>>11310807
Seems like we are on the same wavelength.
>That I'd say is purely hypothetical no matron assigned with a man's case would let things get that far!
Yes, it's very unlikely.

Either way, was going to write this in the previous post, but reached the limit.
From women pre-marriage looks like like this:
>Once BOTG has determined a girl's birth burden, it's time to find a groom
>In the girl's local region, four men with the highest MBN become her suitors automatically
>The 12-year-old will then take turns spending 3 months with each of them, no sex, she is just getting to know them
>When she turns 13, she gets to choose one of the suitors as her husband
>By choosing, she becomes betrothed to the suitor
>She will spend the time of bethrothal in the matron's faculty, assisting the matrons in daily business, like the maintenance of breeding farms
>As young girls, see what happens to women who are behind their birth schedule, it will likely inspire them to avert the same fate
>During this time, they will also occasionally receive visits from their fiancé, but these are non-sexual
>She is forced to wear a chastity belt the entire betrothal and is intentionally fed food dosed with aphrodisiac. The purpose is to build an appetite
>Her wedding is held on her 14th birthday

>>11310872
>assisting the matrons in daily business, like the maintenance of breeding farms
Patriarchy is a place that doesn't degrade women but builds them up, education & indoctrination is the key here.
>Indoctrination; already covered women are taught at every step to value motherhood and fertility.
>Education; funnily enough similar to boys at least before they begin vocational and domestic training.
>Women aren't illiterate air heads here, by the time they're married they at least have a 101 understanding of nursing, maternity care, etc.
>That's hands on learning at the breeding farms but also hyping the lewd side of things...

>wear a chastity belt
>food dosed with aphrodisiac
That wedding and 1st night is rather lewd;
>Vows it don't just stop at a kiss, a blowjob is required showing that she knows what's expected of a married woman...
>Of course their matron is there to watch, she'll also be invited into the bed room to help the newly weds on their first night
>popping the cherry can be both a painful & pleasurable moment, so a well bred matron is there to ensure everything goes well
>"Mommy's" there for the 3p play, tenderly guiding the new couple and to make sure not a drop of cum is wasted.
>Afterwards it's normal for couples to fuck like bunnies, finding any private space for a quickie.
>Matrons as part of their case work do follow ups to make sure that pregnancy tests comes back positive

Other lewd notes:
>Being a fertility focused society "contraceptives" are more a theory than anything
>it exists only in the mating 101 text books to be forgotten about right after
>Pregnancy tattoos are a common part of women's fashion, so many outfits have belly windows both for the expecting mother.
>And to proudly show off her tally at all times.
>Other trends include collection of + preg tests and incorporating it into jewelry IE nipple weights, dangling off belly rings, etc.

>>11310913
>>11310872
Few questions:
>What's the male-female balance, roughly 40-60 "normal" or absurd hentai balance?

>Is marriage about building breeding harems or romantic monogamy(or at most 2 wives)?

>What's the stance on public sex and other hentai tropes?

>>11310913
>Patriarchy is a place that doesn't degrade women but builds them up, education & indoctrination is the key here.
I mean I agree education and indoctrination are important, but they can do them alongside daily tasks.
The fact is that somebody has to clean after women in those farms and keep them presentable. And I feel like cleaning jizz is kinda above the matrons.

About the education, obviously every time there pleasure test, the entire classroom of 13-year-old girls observes it.
Matron in the bed chamber is a great idea.
The collection of a pregnancy test is the only thing I don't really like, because keeping pieces of urine is kinda unsanitary.

>What's the male-female balance, roughly 40-60 "normal" or absurd hentai balance?
That kinda dilematic issue, right? If every man can't have multiple wives if there aren't enought women, but if men are the minority, how patriarchal can things be?

On the other two questions, I have an idea for the slavery system which kinda answers it but right now I'm bit too tired to write it out

>>11310968
>collection of a pregnancy test is the only thing I don't really like
Alternatively, biometric collars;
>General health information, to help men care for their women
>Also shows info about her fertility, something as personal as her cycles are made easily viewable for her man
>It's used to help with impregnation and also monitoring her pregnancy
>Obviously it's a violation of women's privacy but women in BOTG programs aren't too concerned about that...
>compatible with handheld, desktop devices and even has it's own small screen.
>Some women even develop an exhibitionist fetish with these collars

Imagine if you had a genie with three wishes, but you were only allowed to make wishes that would establish a patriarchy. What three wishes would you make?

There are four grades for slaves, and they are all different.

>U(nassigned) grade
Are mostly war captives that have not been graded yet. These women are kept away from other women until matrons can grade them.
>A-grade (highest)
Are slaves who are considered reliable enough?
These slaves are auctioned as concubines
The difference between wife and concubine should be explored another time, but unlike children of other slave grades, concubines' children are legitimate
Men have the right to promote their concubine to a proper wife
>B-grade
These are suspicious women assigned if the matron suspects a woman might try to escape
Additionally, women who are behind in their birth burden grade are graded B, however, they are typically promoted to A immediately after they are back on the schedule
B-grade women work in breeding farms, but they are given a fair bit of autonomy
These women are concealed in their own rooms, where they serve a prostitutional function
These women are allowed to pick their own customers and set their own prices
Using the money they earn, they may buy luxury goods
If B-grade slave behaves well, they might be promoted to A-grade and be auctioned off
If they attack their customers, they will be demoted C-grade slaves
>C-grade
Are the bottom of the barrel slaves, and it's virtually impossible to be promoted
These women are chained to the wall in large rooms, and dosed with heavy aphrodisiacs
Unlike B-grades, these are free to use and get fucked by the volunteers.
People who end up as C-grade are women who tried to escape or hurt someone

Children born to B or C grades are considered illegitimate, fatherless; their daughters are raised by the matrons and trained to become A-slaves.

>>11311465
>war captives
>kept away from other women until matrons can grade them.
Matrons would be pushed both by male overseers and their own biases to put these women directly into C-grade.
These war captives are almost always rebellious and unfit to be A/B grade.
Worst of all they're behind on birthing schedules since it applies retroactively.

>chained to the wall in large rooms, and dosed with heavy aphrodisiacs
>free to use and get fucked by the volunteers
Maybe lean into the mind break or Stockholm syndrome side of things.
War captives still have their wombs being put to use, but this process is aimed to "rehabilitate" them.
At the very least they can enter B-Grade as prostitutes, so there's kind of point system factoring births and how many men have raped them?

>>11311220
>What three wishes would you make?
First 2:
>Make women property(Slaves) again
>Swap people's mindset to see that women's duties are; Sex, mating and domesticity.

Last one:
>Actual rape culture
Consent doesn't belong to a woman but her owner.
"No" is just her playing hard to get, Women are just slaves now.

I have a story I wrote for pregnant-sex & tentaclebirth reasons but it actually tracks hard with this thread. I call it
>[Laboratory Atop the King's Bed]
I don't much world build the patriarchal nature of this king's Kingdom but it's heavily implied. Fill in the blanks as you like.

It starts with 2 preamble post then 20 "episodes" exploring various aspects of his bedchamber.

TLDR:
It's about an Alchemist King lying in bed all day having sex with his royal harem of maids, princesses, and citizens of various ages and magical races and performing experiments and creating potions with their wombs.
-He has tentacle magics that he casts to fuck girls, assist in experiments, and that can merge/melt into his body for empowerment and various other purposes.
-He does magical research and runs magical experiments all day every day in his huge royal bedchamber that doubles as his audience chamber. He never leaves this bed. He can, just doesn't. He never stops fucking and has near infinite stamina, vitality, and durability. Not inherently; his masterful diet and potions enable it.
-He always has a large harem in bed with him. A woman under each arm, being his tit pillow, riding him, lezing out elsewhere on it's spacious surface, ect.
-Various other girls stand at attention around his bed following orders and doing various tasks. Most sexual in nature. Actually all sexual in nature, because he will purposefully order something be sexified if it isn't or isn't enough.
-The King constantly does tons of alchemy/chemistry and magicraft. But his 'flasks', 'pots', and 'beakers' are instead the wombs, breasts, stomachs, and bladders of his harem. His dick and longer tentacles are like a pipette and tubes respectively. Shorter tentacles are often products or even ingredients, or auxiliary flasks for tiny amounts of fluid where storing in a belly would be impractical. He also keeps a single each of a glass flask, beaker, test tube, ect. Just to have them

https://rentry.co/atbzzxu5
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>>11311921
I'm currently chewing on the ideas for a #21 and 22
>21
I've recently completed Bookworm's LN and nobles worrying about their and their children's mana capacities is a feature of the series. So I'm taking that and making it a feature of this kingdom. The queen births royals but the mistreses in the harem birth the future lesser nobles of the kingdom. I made being pregnant with potions and tentacles a focus earlier but didn't ever mention normal pregnant sex yet, so this one is about those special precious pregnancies where the girls vie for the king's cock and mana, trying to get as much mana coloring their wombs as they can for their children's future status.
>22
About a kind of lewd sporting event. Basically a irl video/board game, Balatro-like specifically, played by the harem where all the participants sense the details and requirments of the game as they play it. TLDR: orgasms and magical glimmers are the mult-jingles. Sex positions, races of girls, and magic bullshit are the Jokers and hands.

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The above was inspired by this single doujin page
https://exhentai.org/g/2192337/e29c0b2227/

>>11311922
>>11311921
Thanks anon that's a good one, looking forward to more

>>11313416
Thanks anon, I've made 2 other stories also under the "tentacle-men" concept but they don't exactly track with this thread. They're in the tentacle thread if you're interested.

The Patriarchy was invented by king fritz in which all true women were abducted and forced to serve as lesser people. It began with those women carrying sticks and harvest for pleasure and large stones usually. The kingdom of eldia was the second kingdom of humanity and king fritz challenged the first country uul to a battle of wits. Uul was victorious so it is possible to join the patriarchy sometimes instead of descendant only. I Uul who was Eren Jager became The Owl of Eldia and The Final Patriarchy.

I won't be pushed aside, I will be heard
I will get what I want
What I Deserve

>>11308280 (OP)
I guess this is a good place, as any to to discuss storytelling in a patriarchal setting.
I have read/watched so many hentai and they all seem to have the same story structure.
Their all have the same storybeats:

>1. Introduction
The heroine is introduced. She is characterized as beautiful, smart, and powerful.
>2. Capture
The heroine is captured by her enemies. There are three main reasons for capture:
>2.a Overpowered by arrogance
The heroine's capture is a result of her own hubris.
E.g., she underestimates her enemies, takes too many enemies on at once, ignores her allies' advice, or penetrates too far into the enemy lines.
Example:
In Haizan Himekishi, Princess Rosaria is captured because she ignores her general's advice and charges in without support
>2.b Betrayal by misplaced trust
The heroine's capture is the result of her being betrayed by her corrupt allies or former allies.
Maybe her allies lured her into a trap or told her enemies about her vulnerabilities.
Example:
In Ikusa Otome Valkyrie, Freya equips Valkyrie Reia with a cursed chastity belt
>2.c Surrender by kindness
The heroine is unstoppable, but decides to surrender and let herself be captured because the villains are holding her friend/family/husband hostage.
Example
In Himekishi Lilia, Princess Lilia surrenders after her mother is revealed as a hostage
>3. Deflowering
The villain deflowers the chained heroine, who often threatens to kill him for it.
>4. Public humiliation
The villain tries to break the heroine by public humiliation, which typically means gang rape, or bukkake.
>5. Breaking Hope
Something hopeful happens, but it ends up making things worse. This takes the following subtypes:

<cont>

>>11314631
>5.a Failed rescue attempts
Someone arrives to rescue the heroine, which itself deviates significantly based on who the rescuer is, and why it fails.
>5.a.a Female comrade
If the rescuer is their female comrade, she will be enslaved alongside the heroine. The reason for her failure is broken down into the following subtypes:
>5.a.a.a Honeypot
Villains knew about the rescue attempt and simply used the heroine to lure another victim in. This is done without the heroine's knowledge, so she isn't betraying anyone
>5.a.a.b Heroine's betrayal
The rescue is performed too late, and the heroine has become loyal to her masters and gives her rescuer up.
>5.a.a.c Incompetent rescuer
The rescuer gets captured during the rescue by her own incompetency, often related her getting horny.
>5.a.b Male rescuer
Typically, this is the heroine's fianceé, or subordinate. It almost exclusively fails due to incompetence.
What happens to the male rescuer has three subtypes:
>5. a.b.a Death
The male rescuer is executed in front of the heroine.
>5.a.b.b Cuckodry
Male rescuer is forced to watch how the heroine is brutally raped.
>5.a.b.c Cuckqueanry
If there is a villainess, she will likely rape the male rescuer in front of the heroine
>6. Impregnation
These stories typically end with the heroine pregnant and mindbroken.

>>11314631
>heroine is captured by her enemies.
>villain tries to break the heroine by public humiliation
Please more of this, These threads seem to focus a lot on gentle-dom or women that enjoy their enslavement.
I'm sure every Bandit king or local lord has Concubines for all this vanilla stuff, as would other slave masters.
But a self righteous heroine is far more fun when she's kept resistant and where every fuck is rape to some extent.

>>11314647
>Female comrade
>Honeypot
Anything that allows her to keep hopes up so she wont surrender completely is preferable, maybe even allow her to "escape".
If she get's loose in the city then society arround her will be trying to capture her, in the wilderness it's made into a fun slave hunt.
As long as she never gives in the fun and humiliation can continue.

>end with the heroine pregnant and mindbroken
Pregnancy maybe, mind break prevent that for as long as possible.
Certainly like the idea of tormenting her with a rape pregnancy.
If she's spiteful and attempts to abort it, just rape her again. It's one of her many rapist's bastards anyways.
But for the morally upstanding maybe she's carries it to term, then raising slave daughters for her masters.
Adds a new layer of torment if she knows they might be treated as rape slaves like her.
Should she try to escape or begrudgingly obey in hopes her daughters will be concubines.

>villainess, she will likely rape the male rescuer
Playing with the whole "Bloodline of prophecy" trope and that patriarchal focus on fertility.
Villainess gets pregnant with a child of royal blood and then raises him to usurp the throne.
Of course that's well after said male hero is disposed of or corrupted.

>>11314661
I guess I should have said "Dehumanization" instead of "Public Humiliation", because it doesn't always include a public element, but almost always does.
Either way, if often includes things like piercing, petplay, cumplay.

Regardless, I brought up the whole structure, because it's just a pattern I have seen so many times. And I can see why so many use that template, it's a pretty good structure.
It's certainly more interesting than typical male-lead hentai stories, which are typically just MC taking turns raping different women, and all those women tend to have bland personality.

>>11308280 (OP)
>>>11187047
>girl-assisted non-con
Thoughts?
Think about it, a breast envious girl pumping up a busty woman like a cheap balloon.

>>11315429
>girl-assisted non-con
Underrated part of the fetish, it's the best part too.
Women selling out their own kind once captured hoping to avoid getting raped and bred themselves.
Or She's been born into this life of enslavement and wants to bring other women into it.
Someone's going to have to work on slave processing so might as well pick the most sadistic bitches for this job.
Patriarchy already makes use of women as breeders, mothers, etc.
Natural next step is having trusted women deal with trouble making slaves.

>>11314947
>more interesting than typical male-lead hentai stories
Could focus more on villainess, she's so devoted to her mast that she'll handle the dirty work of breaking and training new slaves.
Or if Master wants to them resistant that she'll toy with their minds with just enough hope they never give in.

>>11315452
>selling out
>born into it
>selected
I offer one better option: she seeks you out.
She wants to watch.

>>11315465
>be Human trafficer living in Free nation
>Hear knock on door one night it's a woman
>Says her phone is dead and needs to use mine, i offer the land line
>Too easy, i let her in and guide her away from the front door, she'll be a perfect slave
>Before I can react she's popped the hidden entrance and is in the dungeon where fresh merchandise is kept
>Caged and chained women begging to be freed or for her to call the cops
>When i get there she turns arround, meeting me with a wily smile.
>Turns out she's the police commissioner's daughter, Debra
>Has a tracker on her, pictures/recordings of the dungeon and has me by the balls
>Without being prompted she barks out "I Want to watch!"
>she demands that i rape and slave train women in front of her, starting now
>I work on one of the newer girls, she gives Debby a real show, kicking crying screaming, etc.
>Debra just sits there quietly, once it's over she says she'll be back for more

>>11316061
>Thus begins the new saga of my life.
>Debra was only coming over bi-weekly at first and always silent during the entire thing
>Quickly this bitch is spending every other afternoon at my place watching me work
>Even gets giddy when I tell her I have new girls
>She's not even trying to hide the fact she's using my professionalized rape of women as her live goon material
>Soon she's even getting in on the fun during our little "At home dates", holding women down, Face sitting while i rape them.
>Debra even demands that i "Stop going easy on them", really playing into patriarchal stereotypes on treatment of women.
>Eventually things escalate to her coming along during Ops to nab new women
>She's picking out women from the passenger's seat, even volunteers to lure these women in

>during all that she never let me touch her, at least at first.
>When she started getting in on the rape, we began with just foreplay, kissing and the like.
>as she got more involved the we got closer, one thing leads to another
>We're eventually sharing a bed together
>It's shockingly vanilla outside the dungeon, missionary sex, hand holding, etc
>Complete contrast to how she is when we're nabbing women together or breaking them
>Debra switches to a sadistic bitch when she's dealing with other women...

>>11316061
>>11316065
Nice.

>>11311921
>>11311922
On the topic of Fantasy settings, what about a kind of "kuroinu" type society?
Women as property and use as breeders being seen as the basis that interspecies co-operation and world conquest is founded on.
The Rapey nature of orc and goblins tamed by a supply of all to willing slave women, mind broken and brainwashed.

Something I wanted to do is take this structure
>>11314631
>>11314647
And turn into an interactive story game, where every anon will takes turns covering a storybeat, and another anon picks from it.
Think it would be interesting way to explore patriarchy setting through a story

Are there any /tg/fags here?
any advice on running patriarchy games with osr rule sets?
should female have level caps or should they just be treated as static hit die monster for purposes of using them as disposable pawn.

what classes would common archtypes be treated like? elf, spartiae, clones, hucow, etc.

How would you deal with capturing an intelligent undead like a vampire or lich? And keeping her enslaved and powerless while she's in your possession?

>>11319466
Apply whatever rules there are for banishment/protection as your control mechanism. Clip or grind down her teeth, leave her outside and refuse to invite her in, construct her quarters in a way that sunlight creates a 3D barrier they can't cross or navigate. Cover her body in devices that can quickly toggle between being cross-shaped or not. Holy water in a sprinkler system.

Think zoo captivity, but with a handful of human creature comforts in exchange for good behavior during sexual utilization.

>>11319389
>any advice on running patriarchy games with osr rule sets?
Maybe something like locking women into supporting roles.
Sexism applied to Character Classes and abilities; women as healers, stat buffing.
Men take on role as fighters on the frontline

>what classes would common archtypes be treated like?
Could also add fetish play into this, Masochistic women being the "tank" for the rest of the party.
Like Darkness from Konosuba but taken to the lewd extent with being a comfort woman outside of battle.
spartiae/hucows being naturally gifted with more durable bodies so this sort of thing suits them.

Elves lean into their stereotype of being magically gifted, as women they'll be used as healers.
Or as Nuns to cast blessings for other party members?

I find the idea women oppressing other women in the patriarchy subgenre underrated.

>>11323321

>>11308280 (OP)
fantasy's not really my thing, but I'm drunk as shit, so I can do fantasy races for you as long as you've never opened a biology textbook.
>start with a current society, or one with comparable depraved interests
>catastrophic or technological event leading to any slave society of preference
>availability far beyond what you'd even find in animal populations due to civilization
>insemination becomes dominated by male preference
>fertilization becomes dominated by sperm competition
>each generation, female genetics are increasingly fucked by extreme sexual selection
>mens mostly random reproduction keeps them physically mostly unchanged and resistant to the rampant X mutations
>fetishism becomes reproductive strategy, since more niche tastes means less competition
>human genome so badly fucked the system no longer needs a social order to sustain itself and society can freely collapse without much changing
And there you go, as female phenotypes shatter into extreme specializations, you get the pointy ears, the skin conditions, the extreme body types, all from a few tens of thousand of years of injecting the human dna with simulacra. how disgusting.

>>11323321
I think it would be interesting if there was different tiers of women indeed.
Males still dominate but women can be oppressed by higher status woman.

>>11324668
How are they supposed to turn the pages?

>>11323321
That's one of my favorite ideas in settings for a patriarchal story, stuff like >>11324668
Where there are women allowed to "succeed" so long as they help oppress other women is great. Cuts down on ideas of sisterhood if there is a chance at gaining status, turns into crabs in a barrel. Plus I like smart girls and much prefer stories where the women being dominated has some strength to her, be it mental or physical so the idea that a woman spends her day using the education she was allowed to help keep slaves working(or suffering) only to get home and "unwind" by being her masters pet is super hot to me.

>>11309656
>Is there a way to avoid giving birth to boys?
could just be the setting's natural birthing ratio is more skewed towards having many more girl over boys and thus boys are valued more.
>As the origin of all Gods, it would make her the top
Not necessarily. because of the setting, and the looseness of mythology, Lilith doesn't really need any reason to not be inferior to one of her own sons. Could even be made into a folk tale or a children's bedtime story of how the world began and works. Lilith begins pregnant and aimless so she births several daughters but continues without purpose, after some arbitrary number of gods born to fill their niches she finally gives birth to a son and finds her purpose to care for his every need and wellbeing, that son then grows up to lead his pantheon harem.
>Would there be a place for more sadistic men?
Obviously. Although every man is born equal, they're all born above a woman, and that message gets interpreted differently by every man that hears and repeats it. Some will be caring and gentle with their women while others can be sadistic and borderline psychotic with their own property, nearly breaking them.

>>11309656
>This seems to mainly be an orgy setting?
If the setting one centered arround sex/fertility cults, just do away with the whole idea of private ownership of women.
"Women are held in common" type deal, playing into the /d/ side of things rape/consent for women.
Their duty is to serve the men of the cult...

>>11325253
>others can be sadistic and borderline psychotic
Those darker aspects of it could be directed a captured women.
They're from some opposing kingdom, thus they get subjected to far worse treatment.
Whole industry exists for capturing for fueling the need for pain slaves, good girls being fully supportive of this.
Non-believing women are seen as deserving of this treatment.

>>11324668
>>11325146
>ideas of sisterhood
Always a fan of the whole "lewd norms" concept in hentai, they're born into a sex cult and sexual slavery.
So they see that as normal, women bond arround shared experience of being indoctrinated sluts.
Gently re-enforce norms for each other, but can be abusive towards trouble makers who the rest see as breaking away from society.

>>11319389
>>11319768
Not in OSR, but in 3.P I ran the opposite concept: a dominant masculine support character that controlled a gaggle of frontliner girls. I used various magic items and psionic powers to keep them on literal and metaphorical leashes so they could be violent to enemies but harmless to their owner. I compared it to playing Pokemon but with girls as the trained animals.

>>11332083
That's a great idea, I'm not who you're responding to, but especially in a fantasy world I would want women with strength or other power worth controlling

Dogeza and women showing submission has always been so erotic

>>11332083
>controlled a gaggle of frontliner girls
>but with girls as the trained animals
Wish there were more games like that, so far the only one that specifically does something like this is Strive4power and Strive 2.
Basically capture slaves train them up for both domestic/town work but also battling.
Has some light breeding mechanics to it too

>>11335185
Back at /aco/ thinking of making a small game for fun, divided between making it large scale conflict like Age of Empires or a micro management of the capture, breaking and training of a slave. Afaik there's no middle ground between the two genres right?
And what are the type of game mechanics you'd like in a game, anon?

>>11335196
There are some games that kind of have it both ways. Stellaris is a 4X game that takes place on a galactic scale with billions of faceless citizens reduced to a number, but there are also "Leaders" which are named individuals with personal stats and abilities that you can assign to specific tasks, roles, etc. They level up, make advancements, progress story beats, and then die when they get old enough since the game takes place on a centuries-long timescale.

Even Command and Conquer and Starcraft have "hero units" that stand out in a crowd.

>>11335196
Always liked the aspect of Patriarchal slavery where it's far more personal with smaller harems.
Sure the rest of the setting has lewd things like public sex, slave breeding, etc. (like D&D but lewd?)
But that's the back drop to how you Develop your own slaves.

The classic RPG maker games, with a focus on the MC and his harem of slave women.
Closest thing to that is Strive4power, sadly there's not a lot of JP adult games with a focus on slavery.

>>11335221
So you prefer the more up close and personal relationship formed between Master and Slave? Like more "dating sim" than city conquer? Or am I mistaking it?
>>11335200
Guess I'll have to play one for reference. I usually spend more time coding than playing videogames, but now that I got a bit more free time, thinking of trying my hand at creating one for fun. Last game I thoroughly played was Free Cities

>>11335252
>up close and personal relationship formed between Master and Slave?
Could totally see a game like that playing off Master/slave tropes from hentai and anime.
You have your born n bred slave girl, loyal to a fault going against Heroines fighting for the emancipation of women.
Game focuses on the capture and training of notorious abolitionists.
Turning them into; mind broken sluts, rebellious but helpless rape bait, etc.

Setting would be like the ones from past threats, maybe centering arround a slaving nation or slave trade city on the frontier?

>more "dating sim" than city conquer?
That's the ideal, patriarchal slavery on a personal level.
Seems like this thread has set up son good settings already, to host stories within them.

>>11335252
>Like more "dating sim" than city conquer?
My personal take would be somewhere in the middle, leaning towards dating sim. Depending on the kind of game you want to make, either give it 4x style stuff a la crusader kings, or like fire emblem for a more RPG smaller scale thing. Mixed in, and the real focus would be the personal interaction, whether that's camp life in a more mercenary setting, or your personal slaves in your castle(or whatever setting you go for).
A mixture of "My actions effect the world on a larger scale" like diplomacy, laws and conquest, and "Slave trainer" style stuff, even if both end up simple versions.
If we are trying to make a game like what the first guy said, I'd say "Mind control mercenary captain" would be the set up. Find adventurer women, either get them to willingly join you or otherwise break them with magic. Then the character that is "You" stays back and buffs while the slaves do the fighting.

>>11335687
Will check them out, see what can come up from this. I really liked the somewhat realistic setting of Free Cities

>>11335687
>camp life in a more mercenary setting, or your personal slaves in your castle
>Find adventurer women, either get them to willingly join you or otherwise break them
Best part of forced enslavement is this emotional and physical abuse aspect of training/breaking the unwilling.
Sure masters might have their favorites that are treated as pets, but there's nothing quite like toying with fresh captives.
It's a kind of enjoyment that women born into slavery cant give.

>fire emblem
Perfect cast of rape bait women, the ideal is applying just enough pressure to keep them in line but not breaking them entirely.
self righteous Heroines are a rare find, best get the most out of them before selling them off as collar broken slaves.

>>11335839
>Free Cities
Recommend checking the "pregmod", it's still actively being developed after original free cities dev left.

>>11335892
>Recommend checking the "pregmod", it's still actively being developed after original free cities dev left.
That's the one I started with, and enjoying it soo much. Try to not play it too much because I find it extremely addictive

>>11335892
Wouldn't have to be the literal Fire Emblem girls, but it could be, some good designs/personalities there to use at least.

>enjoyment that women born into slavery cant give.
Could do a bit of both, maybe the set-up is that you're from a city-state or small kingdom that is the kind of lewd patriarchy you see in these threads, maybe have some ability to customize your society, but that could be a lot of work.
That way you have some starting slaves that are loyal by birth, and then you go out and grab whatever powerful women you can find, bending them to your will either through careful training, or just fear.

>>11335839
If you want a more grounded setting you definitely can. Either do a "pre-apocalyptic" like in Free Cities, with only a bit of society building and an emphasis on the direct slave training(that way its not just LITERALLY Free Cities) or just modern. There are many slave trainer games to look at for potential inspiration, I was mostly thinking fantasy cuz of what the first anon said and the thread theme

I love Fire Emblem because girl generals would inevitably get raped here and there

>>11336402
>If you want a more grounded setting you definitely can
I think the main issue is that everything is either gritty dystopian realism, high school setting or D&D style fantasy isekai. More variation in slavery settings should exist.

>>11336402
>some good designs/personalities there to use at least.
See >>11336708 it's the perfect setting to have heroines raped and abused.
Women of royal blood could become camp whores learning they can either put out and "willingly" use their bodies to pleasure men.
Or they'll just rape her, she'll be put in her place as a woman, and it's not leading armies.
A "good" ending is being a forced war bride, the MC being a mercenary or a foreign requires legitimacy so forced marriage and breeding noble women is an option.

>lewd patriarchy you see in these threads
Part of that is natural born slaves just seeing it as the norm, good girls like this would be treated better.
As for captured women they're getting the worst of it, at least until they learn their place.
Especially if they're not of noble birth.

>>11335252
>>11335196
What about a dating sim where you're also a slave? And you get the choice between several slaves to date or whether you want to increase your rank in the hopes of someday becoming a master slaver yourself.

>>11335196
slave trainer games have been done to death, but Slavegirl Army Strategy Games haven't been touched except for a few sprite replacements.

Plus the mechanics are simpler and easier to copy from existing games. The Sengoku Rance battle system is a good start.

>>11337293
>What about a dating sim where you're also a slave?
>increase your rank in the hopes of someday becoming a master slaver yourself
Harem politics, Slave women trying to build alliances and relationships with other women to rise the ranks.
Master owns so many slaves and so many assets he cant manage it all himself, so he hands off that work to his trusted slaves.
Clime the ladder, dominate other women, and hopefully become master's favorite concubine or a overseer.
Might even have a chance at being his slave wife!

It's laying off the idea of women being crabs in a bucket or forming catty cliques.

>>11337358
>Plus the mechanics are simpler and easier to copy from existing games
Would be fun to see how those sorts of things mesh with /d/ topics like rape, forced breeding, etc.
Slave women Being used as troops and a resource.

>>11337534
>It's laying off the idea of women being crabs in a bucket or forming catty cliques.
I love those concepts, or when a woman helps rape her fellows to gain her master's favour.
>>11337534
>Would be fun to see how those sorts of things mesh with /d/ topics like rape, forced breeding, etc.
If you lose, your slaves get raped and bred. Or maybe like Pokemon and your rival can capture or trade slaves with you. Would be interesting if you can breed lineages or through sheer eugenics, can create powerful slave breeds that sell really high. Like selling the eggs of a special bred bloodline just like how people buy and sell frozen bull sperm for millions in the modern world.

>>11337587
>woman helps rape her fellows to gain her master's favour.
There's also room for Fem on Fem dom, A woman assigned as head maid has other privileges besides ordering and punishing other women.
She'll have free reign to use her subordinates as sexual outlets. This being a /d/ fantasy setting women could be cursed with lust marks.
Sexual relief being used as a tool for training and as a reward/privilege.
Higher up on the ladder women get the more sexually degenerate the become, even compared to women born into slavery.

Another aspect to this is the shock factor, free women expect that the ones holding the whip will be men.
But having women join is is another level of humiliation, worse still is meeting other heroines who have been broken or gave into lust.
As of natural born slaves they're already used to women actively participating in their own gendered enslavement.

>lose, your slaves get raped and bred
>selling the eggs of a special bred bloodline
If there's sparing between slavery that's seen as the norm if the prize isn't gold it's the slaves themselves.
As for defeating heroines It'd be something they fear, famous and strong heroes have targets on their backs.
They're seen as the perfect bitch to start new warrior or sex pet blood lines with, it's the perfect irony if their daughters end up as loyal slaves.

>Pokemon and your rival can capture or trade slaves
On the note of "dehumanizing" treatment slave women would be seen like domestic pets or as rabid animals if they're free women.
Things like branding, Ownership tattoos, dog tag collars, etc would be the norm.
All to drive home the fact they're property now.

>>11323321
>>11325146
see >>10847456
Had to look for a bit but it's one of my favorite settings among these threads.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

If a fellow master asks you to loan him your slave girl for a "test ride", do you accept or are slavegirl holes for your exclusive use, anon?

>>11338887
he needs to have the paperwork and the money all laid out and at most he's getting the blowjob side of a spit-roast

any other unironic feminists ITT? I strongly believe that patriarchy exists (i.e. there exist systemic forces that give men power over women), and I believe that achieving social equality would give everyone a better life, as the imbalance seems to make men miserable as well. I used to have vaguely antifeminist opinions, but after examining my own beliefs I found that they were entirely based on a negative reaction to the cloying progressive/SJW rhetoric of the early 2010s

>>11339934
Turbofeminist but still extremely dom anon here. Yeah I mostly lurk since I am the type to punish my slaves if they ever think being a girl is the reason they are a slave. Still love domination in all its forms though.

The vast majority of the time you see some of the really messed up anti-feminism here its very often a extremely horny girlie behind it. Trust me on this. I remember that girl who posted her tits here a while ago which wasn't enough to counterbalance all the men getting a bit weirded out by just what she was saying. They are just like that.

I don't even really consider anyone who would willingly be a slave enough of a human to be that offended by anything they believe anyways. Not against them at least, they just need to cry in pain for thinking that way, its fine. I'm sure "I don't even consider you enough of a person to know what you're saying about how girls like you aren't people" is good enough for their fucked little minds anyways.

>>11338173
Those kinds of settings Livable(at least for women) type of settings, it's not some sadistic plot to abuse women or anything.
Men are so overprotective and loving it becomes outright enslavement, it's the sort of thing women would support too.
Where Master/Daddy is interchangeable and being a good bitch for master is all women ever have to worry about...
Just let men do all the thinking.

>>11338887
>accept or are slavegirl holes for your exclusive use, anon?
Wouldn't need to be asked for that sort of thing.
slaves for public use, whoring or on sale will have it displayed via their collars.
So no chance of confusion.

Side question:
What's the type of patriarchy your interested in?
Rough misogynist or overbearing daddy-don/ something in-between

>>11340223
>What's the type of patriarchy your interested in?
>Rough misogynist or overbearing daddy-don/ something in-between
Since I'm a huge sadist, definitely a rough misogynist one with heavy doses of ryona. I hate isekai/fantasy worlds as I'm sick of them so the more creative it is, the better. I like Free Cities with the post apocalyptic slavery and the Degradationist treatment of slave girls and breeding programs, and cyberpunk worlds are also fun but still kinda generic. I'm mostly into it for the worldbuilding aspect which is why I like /d/'s threads so much
What other non-fantasy original settings have you seen, anon?

>>11340266
>What other non-fantasy original settings have you seen, anon?
Morality shift is an interesting as a setting, a "normal" world where the concept of slavery and women as property was never dropped.
Think parallel worlds or something, norms arround things like sexual morals, nudity, etc. is shifted to fit /d/ standards.

>Free Cities with the post apocalyptic slavery
>Degradationist treatment of slave girls and breeding programs
Though Free Cities with the post/near apocalypse is a really fun setting.
Opens up the possibly that there's no large nation states or even any dominant culture.
So every free city and it's arcologies have unique cultures.
Collapse of society as we know it, opening up the world to cultural resets

>>11339934
>>11340217
Follow up question:
How do you view the whole idea of women actively participating in female enslavement?

Like they aren't just the victims at the bottom, but make up the middle management role and enforcing rules on others.
Or it's the kind of deal where mothers raise their daughters as good slaves in a society that just sees it as the norm.
No women remembers what freedom is, nor are the taught to care...

>>11340336
Going to be really hard to stop girls who are willing slaves in our own world from just throwing themselves completely into upholding that kind of system desu.

"Stop thinking! You'll be happy, just like me!" is something pretty much all of them would say to other girls that aren't as happy as they are to never have rights ever again. Middle management would still be too high of a title for them, but even just one girl like that in a harem or work crew would really help keep order. They're just absolute freaks.

I'm that turbofeminist anon you quoted but if you were to portal into whatever misogyny fantasy world with your slave girls they are going to be way happier living there. It's no contest, the moment they are informed its a crime for them to wear clothes within city limits you're going to need to be ready to discipline them immediately since the chances of that making them so horny they immediately try to masturbate is high. The first time they see a public stockade they have to be literally dragged away since they will beg and grovel to spend the entire day watching the girls locked in there. And you know what they will ask for next if you let them do that.

That's just what those dumb misogynistic bitches are like.

>>11340217
hell yeah! honestly I was kinda expecting to get a rise out of someone but it's even nicer to have heard from you, #respect
I'm on the other side of the dynamic but it's cool that there are doms like you out there

>>11340384
Going to be real Ive never posted here before because that attitude seems somewhat counter intuitive to what this thread is about but im enjoying the dynamic of a completely dehumanized slave girl actively disagreeing with the man she has devoted her life in servitude to about exactly how and why she never was a person.

I do often indulge slaves in the really messed up stuff they're horny about anyways. I'm really attracted to just how slaves are as people, and this is also how they are. Plus I love the comedic timing of insulting these creatures about how misogynistic they are while just completely putting them down.

Every single day these completely braindead objects wake up wishing they were born a cat girl so they never could be confused by the fact they technically had rights.

I do think this is the right way to be a dom. I mean, it is the way I am, so of course it is correct. slaves are not permitted to think, so they will not be disagreeing.

>>11340378
>Middle management would still be too high of a title for them
>one girl like that in a harem or work crew would really help keep order
For some women I can see that sort of position as a more permanent deal dom/sub switch has the chance to lord over other women but still grovels at daddy's feet.
Another fun option is having women rotate in/out of these "positions of responsibility", a good slave aims to be a empty headed doll for master.
So it helps to remind them how stressful being responsible for their own lives can be at least once in a while they're in the hots seat and assisting master in handling other women.

>crime for them to wear clothes within city limits
>so horny they immediately try to masturbate is high
leaning on that classic stereotype of hysterical women; this /d/ society sees women as naturally air headed and horny animals.
Hence men keep their women (daughters included) on leashes out in public, it's also acknowledged that frequent sex and masturbation is healthly for women.
So being locked in a stockade to be "raped" or otherwise set for public use is seen as a reward for women, while chastity belts and etc. is the ultimate punishment.
"They're so horny it hurts" kind of deal, that's why perverted rules exist arround allow public sex and enforced nudity for women.
These dumb bitches should never need to worry about not having instant sexual gratification(unless they've been bad slaves).

>>11340266
>breeding program
That sort of thing fits well with the concept of women being dehumanized and being seen as pets >>11340401
Thing to focus on is the patriarchy using birth control as a tool to control women even further.
Since feminism touts it as liberating women from the shackles of pregnancy.
In this world it's used simply to manage women's fertility just as you would with any other animal you own.
You select breeders based on personality, physical traits, etc. point is even having offspring is determined by Master.

>>11340433
Ah, the big thing I was thinking for this society was more the idea of "air headed and horny animals" is still how slaves are seen but the second part of that is a problem, and gets in the way of these girls fulfilling their purpose in life to provide pleasure and service to their betters. Its a bit of a critical difference, especially for how girls live their life day to day.

For the whole middle management thing I imagine it wouldn't really be formalized to that degree. slaves are identified as being especially eager to embrace civilization and its values, although they will never once be told this, and are given a lot of leeway to break laws on how they treat their sisters. All manner of bullying, actual yandere-style attacks sometimes, its not a requirement but Master's would often find a girl like that to mix in to keep order. Simply because she naturally inspires obedience in her sisters because of how scared they are of someone who is actually that crazy. In keeping with paternalism actually formally giving slaves a role in keeping order and having responsibility is considered cruel, they were never meant to think, its wrong.

For the hypersexualization every part of society is focused on giving Master's pleasure, and not their slaves. Sure there's loads of public use girls, but the idea is that one of these dumb bitches will masturbate 5 times a day if you aren't there to impose order on her existence, and her purpose in life is to instead pleasure someone better 5 times a day. Stuff like forced nudity is just to display nice looking bodies to people and further drive home the gap in power at all times. Public sex and stuff would be completely common but the critical difference is that it is a recognition that it is about a person's gratification, never his slave's.

>>11340478
Still going to be weird to get into the patriarchy since I'd just give a hard slap to any slave that was getting horny about birthing my slave children, but a common justification for slavery in this society would be that at a basic level a feminine animal is that completely horny creature that would just touch itself and not actually do anything but live in dirt, barely able to even feed itself, but when given the order and discipline of civilization she can be made a slave that will turn everything wrong about her into strengths for who owns her. The best way to do paternalistic slavery will always be a deeply held belief that the slaves will neither be happy or even capable of doing much of anything without the collar around their neck.

Also this is all in the context of just summoning a portal to such a world since I kind of like seeing 5000 girl asses every single time I go to the market. Having the ass I own get so horny about believing this societies values that she does so while also reaching her hands down between her legs because she's just that fucking dumb. Gets to spend a lot of time in tears and pain for mostly the same reasons as all the rest of the girls. Mostly.

>>11340478
>giving slaves a role in keeping order and having responsibility is considered cruel
Having it naturally arise like that is seems like the best way of doing it.
Could also do things like having smart collars or use other modern tech to aid these dumb slaves in daily life.
Bitches are chipped like dogs, wear electronic collars with tracking, video/audio links to her master's phone, etc.
Maybe a simple assistant app or even AI.
Purpose of all this is to help women offload even more of their thinking to external tools controlled by her master.

>her purpose in life is to instead pleasure someone better 5 times a day.
Cute, that sort of thing could even me made into a lewd game for women to play.
House slaves compete to keep master's balls drained or are playing with each other to keep the girls ready for master's use.
Public use slaves collect tally marks from the men they fuck.
Reward is of course more sex and for the really good girls they get bred

>>11340480
>hard slap to any slave that was getting horny about birthing my slave children
Just another reason why this society encourages the use of birth control at master's discretion.
It's mixed into a slave's kibble of wet food.
They don't quite understand why they're not knocked up bit that doesn't stop them from mating any chance they get.

>slaves will neither be happy or even capable of doing much...
Note on this: Society works in honorifics and physical displays of female submission.
Bowing, Dogeza, waiting for orders on knees, thanking men for fucking them, etc.
There's just always reminders that men are their benevolent betters.

If you could turn the girls out of any country into slaves, who would you choose, anon?

>>11340336
>Morality shift is an interesting as a setting, a "normal" world where the concept of slavery and women as property was never dropped.
Oh so like the World of Moral Reversal manga, right? Those alternate history world are really fun to think about. Like what if the Soviet Union won and women were put in gulags,, and those in there were free use to oligarchs. Imagine you were an oligarch owner of your own gulag and regularly received prisoners.
>>11340336
>So every free city and it's arcologies have unique cultures.
That's what I love of it, and the game is particularly flexible in how you can run your Arcology.

>>11340521
One of my long time fantasies is to use those chips but in a more advanced way. GPS tracking would be enabled but I expected my girl to be so brainwashed that escape is something she just is not capable of. Instead its the biometrics.

Can load up all the data on my phone. This slave is so beaten down and dehumanized that the world of humans is just so far away from her, she barely understands what that black rectangle her betters keep looking at even is, but she seems proud of the fact that I am proud of her when I show her that these squiggly lines show that her heart rate spikes when she is given the reward of sitting on my lap for a few minutes.

>5 times a day
That was more rhetorical, 5 times would be a lot, but I can see such a society having a extreme social norm that girls need to give at least a bare minimum of one sexual service to a better man every day. Even just having their body groped or kissing the shoes of a man, a blowjob would be ideal but the idea is that girls need to do that or else they go crazy, its only right you let them be of service in that way. Hence a social norm and not a law.

>servile honorifics
God I am here for that. Best part of complete control over a slave.

"benevolent betters" is right. Always thank them for everything they do for you. Always ask permission before doing anything that isn't a direct fulfillment of a order they have given you. When a man speaks to you in public, keep your head bowed, and give short, respectful answers. Always say "Sir", never once let a man think that you are anything other than eternally grateful for such a divine person deigning to speak to you, and always drop to your knees and kneel when not actively in use.

I do generally use the terms girl and boy for when people are slaves, and woman and man for when people are people. Feels weird when talking about patriarchy. Hm.

>>11341060
>like the World of Moral Reversal manga, right? Those alternate history world...
Something like that, but more for /d/egenerate purposes with the thinking and behavior of people in this version of the world being very alien to us IRL.
IE the whole idea of sexual consent for women just isn't a thing, they're such cum brained sluts that it's assumed they're always ready to fuck.
To the extent that Rape is a form of property crime rather then violating a woman's consent & ownership of her own body.

>flexible in how you can run your Arcology.
Gender Fundamentalism and Paternalism, seems to be the most fitting kind of slavery for this thread?
Keeping women collared "for their own good". Breeding/Repopulation being another good one.
Men see women as lesser beings that are to be taken care of like pets.

>>11341130
>GPS tracking
>so brainwashed that escape is something she just is not capable of
It goes so deep that when people see a woman where she shouldn't be it's assumed the poor thing is lost rather then escaping.
You'd have cute things like a crying slave looking for a man to help her find her master.
So it's why GPS chips, ownership tags, etc. are required.

>bare minimum of one sexual service
>girls need to do that or else they go crazy
It's along the lines of the brain dead whores you see in Mizuryu Kei doujins.
I mean that in the most endearing way possible, since in this world that's just the way women are.
Same would go for sexual morals as it's very open, and ironically women can be "free" in regards to sex.
Depending on their slave duties that is.

>servile honorifics
>kneel when not actively in use
besides playing out in human interaction it's also seen in other ways too;
Kneeling pillows for women so that at the table she can suck off master while staying comfortable.
Women being either fed from doggie bowls or hand fed table scraps by their master
Public spaces have leash holders, slave "pens", etc for women to be kept safe while master is busy