Thread 76481725

If cancer needs carbs (glucose) to grow, why are you not carnivore yet?

Literally just eat eggs, meat, raw diary, organs for the rest of your life and you're bullet-proof.

>>76481725 (OP)
You're American aren't you?

>>76481725 (OP)
Do you have any idea what this image looks like?

>>76481725 (OP)
>Insulin/IGF-I-normalizing dietary strategies – such as ketogenic (i.e., very low carbohydrate) diet – were shown to achieve similar tumor inhibitory effects in various mouse tumor models (Ho et al., 2011; Venkateswaran et al., 2007). On a population level, treatments to lower extracellular glucose and insulin levels, such as metformin, have been shown to reduce the incidence of cancer in diabetic patients (Noto et al., 2012). However, not all tumors are sensitive to caloric restriction or glucose reduction.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8891094/
human evidence is limited at the moment but the benefit may be due to the reduction in insulin and IGF which tumors are often over sensitive to

>>76481725 (OP)
OH CMON THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY GAY LOOKING

>>76481725 (OP)
people have been fasting to starve cancer cells for literally thousands of years. Unfortunately, not every type of cancer is responsive to this.

>>76481770
The issue is that starving yourself when you have a complicated health condition like cancer isn't usually a good move.

>>76481725 (OP)
Dairy is full of carbs retard.

>>76481725 (OP)
cancer uses energy and amino acids

>>76481725 (OP)
if you're fat adapted from being on keto your cancer cells will probably also be fat adapted. some cancers grow better on ketones others on glucose

>>76481889
Cite your source.

>>76481893
basic logic

>>76481729
Stop being such a fucking schizophr- wait…

>>76481770
The issue with your claim is that they haven't and you have no evidence for this because you totally made it up.

>>76481893
>probably

>>76481725 (OP)
Image looks like asses, I've been here for too long.

>>76481729
Marie Rose in a mating press?

>>76481887
just eat butter and heavy cream

>>76481889
that's a statement I would've made in fifth grade

>>76481969
I would've made that in fourth grade also I have 1 inch bigger penis

>>76481725 (OP)
I should call her...

I did carnivore for 1.5 years. I actually like keto diets for their benefits:

- minimal/no teeth rot
- less bloating
- insane micronutrient density

However, it's very hard for me to get shredded on keto. The satiety effect that keto-dieters report disappears when you're not fat.

Pic was me after 1.5 years of carnivore. It made me big and strong (turns out, you don't need carbs to build muscle), but also fat by my standards.

>>76482125
what is your wrist measurement?

>>76482144
Just measured: 17cm. I have the smallest wrists of anyone I know.

>>76481725 (OP)
>diary
>paper
>plant

>>76482125
Damn. How was the adaptation period, energy levels, gym performance?

>>76482293
To be honest, I didn't notice much of a difference.

I could eat until I'm stuffed and not get fatter than what you see in my pic.

Other than that, I didn't notice any crazy effects. Some people seem more sensitive to carbs.

>>76481927
>>76481882
>what is autophagy
fasting kills parasites too btw

>>76482548
fasting kills the jew?

You’re going to give yourself a heart attack following that dumb animal shit diet

>>76481882
Fasting isn't the same as starving.

>>76482125
>The satiety effect that keto-dieters report disappears when you're not fat.
That must be why people don't believe me that I am just not satisfied on keto, they're just fat
I easily gained weight on keto just because steaks are so damn fatty and unsatisfying in terms of hunger

>>76481895
Logic would say that the cancer has to be a full functioning body by itself so it can be also fat adapted, has this is not a localized thing.

If carnivore is so good, why do all their best ‘doctors’ get btfo on YouTube debates against vagatarian chads?

>>76482954
Yea, keto communities are full of "I dropped 80lbs in 6 months" and then you click their pics and they are still fat.

You see very few "Keto helped me get from 12% to 10% body fat" reports (and if they show up, they usually undererstimate their body fat by 5%)

>>76482969
I don’t care bout getting lower than 15%

>>76482968
Because science favors plants, but our understanding of nutritional science is extremely limited

>>76482954
>steaks are so damn fatty and unsatisfying in terms of hunger
you're either retarded or lying

>>76481725 (OP)
you know what also needs glucose? your brain

Can burgers be eaten medium rare?

>>76481725 (OP)

never thought i'd jerk off to some eggs but here we are

>>76481725 (OP)
i thought this was fucking porn
lmao
i'm so fucked
i don't even go on /fit/

>>76483022
The brain can eventually use ketones as fuel.

>>76481729
Two young lads discovering the joys of frottage

>>76482125
> The satiety effect that keto-dieters report disappears when you're not fat
I'm skinny as fuck and haven't experienced this at all. I eat twice a day. Off keto I'm always hungry. I didn't start keto for weight issues tho. So maybe it has more to do with an eating disorder rather than what you're eating.

>>76483292
"Skinny" usually means skinny-fat and not lean.
Do you have visible lower ab veins?

>>76483510
I'm very vascular. Not even remotely skinny fat.

>>76483292
That's why all these diet wars are retarded
One person could be thriving on keto and one person could be thriving on high carb
Just find what works for you in life, CICO is all that matters eventually
How you achieve it can vary

>>76483707
Yeah I never got the attempts to bait people into a diet war. I already knows there's no one size fits all for food. People who are happy with their diet aren't trying to fight other people about it. I'm just happy to find food that does what I want lol. If eating McDonad's everyday works for you more power to you

Cancer was solved decades ago by Aajonus Vonderplanitz, and it's ridiculously easy to. It technically can't be cured because it's not even a disease.

The medical profession keeps pretending it's a mysterious and unsolvable disease to sell poisonous chemo"therapy" that just kills you.

>>76483707
Incredibly wrong.

All animals have a natural diet that is dictated to them to their biology and the organs of their digestive system. Humans are not an exception to this.
We don't look at rabbits and we say: "all rabbits are different! This one eats grass, but this other one thrives on pizza and beer!" "it's all calories anyway!"

The idea that people are different enough that completely different diets can work out for different people is the most braindead take of all.
There is only one diet that works with the organs that humans have available to digest food.

Humans are obligate hypercarnivores, as dictated by the organs of our digestive system, and we can barely tolerate any foods that aren't our natural diet without developing disease.

>but humans can eat starch, grains, vegetables, etc!
>why am I getting cavities and starting to bald in my twenties?
>Must be genetics!
Cool story bro.

>>76484131
>Humans are obligate hypercarnivores, as dictated by the organs of our digestive system
Look at this fucking retard. Obligate carnivores are extremely rare in nature. The closest animals that can labeled obligate carnivores are big cats, and even they occasionally eat grass for similar reasons to why humans consume fiber. And their physiology is way more suited for meat consumption than ours. The fact that wolves in your cherrypicked comparison also eat plant matter to make up 10% of their caloric intake is also ironic.

While humans can survive purely off of plants OR meat (although we'd both die 20 years early in both cases), wolves would quickly die if they were only fed plants. So would every other carnivore. That alone is proof enough of our omnivorous physiology.

>>76484223
Why do vegans live to 100 years though

>>76484231
There are smokers who've lived to 100 years. Doesn't mean shit.

>>76484237
It does mean something

>>76484223
>Inuits and Maasai are dying 20 years early

>humans can survive purely off of plants
>India, which is vegetarian
>smallest dicks
>highest rates of diabetes
>lowest FFMI, highest BF% for non-overweight BMI
>eat shit so they have the gut microbiome to digest their antinutrient-laden diet
>still drink milk and occasionally eats eggs

>>76484240
>lowest medals per capita along with shitholes that don't even have roads or railroads

>>76484240
>>Inuits and Maasai are dying 20 years early

>>76484223
>While humans can survive purely off of plants
Kek, no

>>76484273
>not like we have thousands of years of human history proving this
>"b-b-but muscle!!"
Okay, retard?

>>76484131
>why am I getting cavities and starting to bald in my twenties?
because you eat processed sugars, dont floss and you have a genetic sensitivity to dht, are you genuinely suggesting that carnivore diet somehow fixes baldness? does it increase your dick size, pay your taxes and change your eye color too?

>>76484131
We can eat starch, grains, and vegetables if we ferment them first; or if we feed them to a herbivore and have it do the fermentation for us. Hence milk.

Fermentation of grains reduces the anti-nutrients %, and adds stuff like B vitamins.

>>76484396
I just remembered polenta, aka corn which is heated in a slightly alkalilne solution of water and lime. This liberates the proteins and b-vitamins in corn.

There's more to cooking grain than just heating, apparently. And fermentation to my knowledge always improves grains and grasses.

Bone and tooth problems are caused mostly by a lack of vitamins a, k2 & d3; and minerals phosphorus, magnesium, calcium, selenium, manganese, & zinc.

I just don't understand. Humans have the most versatile dietary physiology among all mammals alive. Our bodies literally turn plant toxins that would kill our pets into nutrients and natural medicines, yet somehow restricting ourselves to retarded diets like carnivore is seen as some evolutionarily superior method by schizos.

>>76484425
That is natto, fermented beans. Good choice. Best source of vitamin k2 there is. I prefer to puree beans into a paste, and then ferment them.

Fermentation transforms the fiber and some of the starch in beans into b vitamins.

>>76484425
It's much easier to fool a person than it is to convince them they have been fooled
All these schizos are just confused by their carnivore echochamber on youtube/tiktok

>>76484425
>Our bodies literally turn plant toxins that would kill our pets into nutrients
no we don't actually. We do it at the same rate as every other mammal, the only difference is that we have access to fire. Want an easy way to die? eat a few pounds of raw spinach and if you don't shit your intestines out first you'll die from oxalic acid poisoning.

>>76484444
>eat a few pounds of raw spinach
Do you know how much a "few pounds" of raw spinach would look like my nigger?

>>76484449
Yeah and it would still be far, far under your TDEE because spinach is so low on calories.
Vegetables are not suitable food for humans, there is a reason everything except meat, fat, and processed grains has next to no calories. Herbivores spend hours every day chewing leaves just to survive, and then you the retard comes in and says we're just like them.

>>76484458
>there is a reason everything except meat, fat, and processed grains has next to no calories
Just like how plants are several times more nutritionally dense than meat per calorie consumed, with the exception of starches. Just face the fact that your mom was correct about eating your fruits and veggies, OP. In real life, you will never see a person who has lived off a diet of balanced whole foods for most of their lives who's a dying fat fuck.

>>76484480
>Just like how plants are several times more nutritionally dense than meat per calorie consumed
do retards actually believe this garbage? An egg has more nutrients than almost all veggies and as an added bonus it doesn't have anti nutrients so you actually absorb all of it.

>>76484480
>veggies are filled with nutrients!
>thats why vegans have to supplement half a dozen vitamins or else they die >>76484273
>while carnivores have to supplement nothing

>>76484486
>>76484486
Once again, the people who subscribe to these fad diets always look like shit for a reason. You ruined your body in early adulthood grazing on soda and chips and now you think that all carbs are the problem. Stop desperately trying to find a silver bullet to your shit body and just eat like a normal person.

>>76484500
>projecting
>deflecting
okay meanwhile in reality
>people on fad diet A die if they don't supplement vitamins
>people on "fad" diet B can sustain themselves indefinitely with zero supplementation

vegans look so bad because lack of collagens?
damn i almost want to be ANTI VEGAN

marvel make a superhero based on that

He just shoots meat at vegans and they are too weak to defend themselves

>>76483707
>That's why all these diet wars are retarded
Sort of - it literally comes down to avoiding SAD and veganism while cutting down on processed junk and other things bad for you (alcohol, weed, etc.).

>>76482125
>but also fat by my standards.
Mentally ill

>>76484131
>i'm like a badass wolf and a natural predator dude
lol

>>76484500
>people who subscribe to these fad diets always look like shit
Meanwhile: >>76482125
Meanwhile: https://www.reddit.com/r/Rowing/comments/18yn7ox/dr_shawn_baker_a_56_year_old_doctor_on_the/
Carnivore at 56 years old breaks the rowing world record.

>>76484649
As a species, we are the most badass predators in the world. Who else goes to the seas and kills whales for meat?

Of course, as an inidividual, I just have to go to the supermarket and buy my meat there. Nothing badass about that.

>>76484131
I tend to agree. Most of the foods people eat today are manmade, including "whole foods" like sugary fruits, bread, and even veggies (there is no broccoli in nature).

The constant farting, bloating, food allergies, overeating, and teeth rot are signs that this diet is not optimal for us.

When you eat only meat and eggs, you can eat intuitively. I'm >>76482125 and in my carnivore phase I didn't count any calories.

>>76483667
Nice. What do you eat on a keto diet that keeps you so satiated? And do you stay below 20g carbs? I wish I had the same "problem".

>>76485126
I don't think there's any secret food to keep you satiated. Just whole food mainly although I did start adding some protein powder but it's not really needed. Eggs, fish, meat, cheese, vegetables and nuts nothing else. Water and coffee. Been eating this way for like 5 years. And yes I stick to 20g net carbs. I might hit 30g net some days. I don't have cheat days or eat any junk food no reason to the whole concept sounds stupid if you're doing keto right you don't want junk. There's really not a lot to figure out that's why I like it it's easy and imo easily one of the healthiest ways to eat.

>>76484301
plenty of primitives eat starches and have unclean teeth, yet 0 cavities. Dental health is purely nutritional although low-carbs does help reduce bacteria.

>>76484480
>Just like how plants are several times more nutritionally dense than meat per calorie consumed,
Hilarious that people believe this hogwash.
>a diet of balanced whole foods
Meaningless buzzword.

>>76484131
>>76483707
These kinds of threads is the reason I was hiding them for the last 6 months. You just get shilled on diet which is in the current tik tok and twitter algorithm and you spam it on 4chan until you get enough attention to start a diet war.

I have tried the carnivore diet for more than 4 times and everytime I did, I got reminded why it’s stupid and quit it after a while.

If you are a serious lifter who wants to build muscle this diet is not for you. I wanna get huge while being lean so I just to eat the standard bodybuilding diet, which is meat,rice,eggs and whey with some yogurt and fruit. Nothing else matters, just count your calories, lift hard and love life. Fuck this keto shilling and everyone who is trying to get you weak. Because that’s the end game of carnivores and vegans.

>>76485621
>calls out stupid diet wars
>proceeds to full on engage in said wars
no wonder you fail at everything you do

>>76485630
It’s been six months that I’ve stop caring about this shit. I just stated the fact that I’m outside of the war.

>fail everything you do
Nice projecting

>>76485633
>Fuck this keto shilling and everyone who is trying to get you weak. Because that’s the end game of carnivores and vegans.
yeah, you sure are level-headed and not at all emotionally involved

>>76485635
Yeah just saying that >>76483707 is correct means that I’m emotionally involved lmao. Eat some carbs you lack critical thinking

>>76481889
>go keto one month and starve the glucose cancers
>go carbs one month and starve the ketone cancers
improvise. adapt. overcome

>>76482876
>jews thrive on consumer capitalism
>stop consuming
>???

>>76481725 (OP)
because i like apples

>>76481725 (OP)
If you get cancer or have a predisposition to cancer- changing your diet will not make you avoid cancer.
That is a really low IQ take.

>>76484289
Name 1 civilization or tribe that thrived without animal foods

>>76485741
you wouldn't know about them
for some weird completely unrelated reason they all died out

>>76483022
Nice picture of yourself that you included in your post. Anyway, in the absence of sufficient glucose the body converts fat to ketones to power the brain. I've read claims that ketones are actually superior to glucose for the brain. I don't know if this is true or not but it would be consistent with the increase in mental clarify many report on keto.

>>76485741
India

>>76485866
lol

>>76485680
No, anon, you don't "like apples" because NO ONE DOES. You are addicted because they're pumped with sugar and other addictive drugs.

>>76486223
>they outnumber you
>they are smarter
>they are stronger
>they're civilization is older than yours
>they live a traditional lifestyle (you don't)
>strong cultural identity

>>76482935
Keto isn't fasting or starving.

>>76486259
post hands to prove you're not a troll
otherwise I'm not gonna take a single of those points seriously

Eggs are not carnivore…

>>76486342
who cares?

>>76485810
Sort of. The human body makes all the glucose needed to function properly in the absence of carbs provided enough fat is available. The brain seems to prefer ketones but needs glucose as well. Again the human body doesn't require a single carb to get all the glucose it needs. Because gluconeogensis is demand driven the human body can't create too much glucose from fat and protein so it can't convert to body fat either whereas excess carb consumption will be rapidly stored as body fat.

>>76485741
Name one civilization that thrived without plant food

>>76487111
mongols

>>76486342
Yeah cause carnivorous animals notoriously avoid eating eggs lmao.

>>76487111
Mongols, Inuit, Maasai
Ancient Cro-magnon Europeans during the ice age
>>76485741
India

>>76487631
>India
>compared to Mongols and cro-magnons
Indians are way more sophisticated, intelligent, and have far more success in sports.

there are diabetic jeets with dysentery posting itt

>>76481729
Thought I was the only one.

>>76485621
Counting calories is the gayest most annoying shit. If you can't get big and lean on keto/carni then you're fucking doing it wrong and should just stick with Cico like the tard you are

>>76482125
> (turns out, you don't need carbs to build muscle)
However (complex) carbs favor muscle mass preservation. Not saying you don't need them, because I don't know, but they sure help a lot, I imagine.
Worth to mention HMB supplement (preferably along with BCAAs) help preventing loss of muscle mass.
>but also fat by my standards.
False humility is cringe. You look great aesthetically you faggot.

>>76482125
Your liver just converted most of the protein you ate into glucose. You could've eaten potatos along with your meat, and you'd get the same result, but cheaper. But whatever.

>>76487874
>Counting calories is the gayest most annoying shit.
It takes like 2 mins to count that shit a day, why do you label it as gay?

>>76481725 (OP)
LUST PROVOKING IMAGE

>>76489861
That process requires you to eat quite a lot of protein, often far more than what's required.
I'm on about 260g per day and have stayed in moderate-heavy ketosis for months without a problem

>>76487637
good morning sir

>>76481729
))===(( forever

>>76486342
...

>>76487637
good morning saar!!!

>>76481725 (OP)
Cancer is a defense mechanism of your body to cope with excessive toxicity from modern life and seals everything into a tumor to contain it.

Most vegetables and grains nowadays are filled with toxic pesticides and other compounds so by default you're avoiding a lot of the pitfalls.

Be extremely wary of everything that goes inside your body and you put on your skin if you want disease free longevity.

Raw animal products are always better but you want to source organic and high quality.

>BJ
>that is Bryan Johnson
>strict Vegan
>50 supplements a day
>reduced speed of aging by 31 years
WHAT IN TARDNATION

>>76493843
but i don't trust the guy
why would he reveal what he does
but if it's legitimate I may look into him

>>76493843
US woman ages slower than him by 34% and she's no multi-millionaire

HA_HA_FAGGOT.jpg

>>76493849
>why would he reveal what he does
he doesn't though. he keeps his vampirism a closely-guarded secret.