Thread 76537897

>Who is /fat/ for?
For rotund racoons working towards a longer life and a better physique through meaningful hard-work, strategy, and dedication. This is not QTDDTOT, stick to questions on fat loss. Post height and weight when asking for advice.
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>What do I do first?
1. Read https://physiqonomics.com/fat-loss/
2. Calculate your Body Fat Percentage: https://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy
3. Calculate your TDEE: https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/
Remember to use bodyfat% and use Katch-McArdle Formula with sedentary settings or your TDEE will be too high.
4. Plan your weight loss: https://www.losertown.org/eats/cal.php
5. Track your nutrition with MyFitnessPal (better for packaged food), Cronometer (better for generic food/macros), LoseIt (great for both), or Waistline (FOSS).

>Now what?
Count calories, all of them.
Eat about 500-1000 less calories than your TDEE.
Buy scales, be accurate.
Learn to cook. Try to stick to lean protein and green vegetables.
Eat a lot of protein. 0.72g per pound of goal lean body mass.
Doing cardio, even just walking, will improve your health. There is no such thing as a healthy fat heart, but you can offset the risks.
Lifting weights will keep and gain muscle mass and lose fat much quicker. Not lifting results in the body eating away muscle AND fat.
Drink more water.
Read the /fit/ sticky: https://liamrosen.com/fitness.html

>DON'T
Eat refined sugars, they're terrible for you regardless of calories.
Eat processed foods.
Drink your calories (alcohol, soda, Starbucks).
Freak out over a weight loss stall. Plateaus can last up to three weeks.
"Reward" yourself. Cheat days cheat only yourself.

>Other resources:
Loose skin, gynecomastia & stretch marks: https://weight-loss-side-effects.netlify.app/

Previous thread: >>76533334

First time posting here. Excuse the blogposting but I wanted to share my progress starting in early July at 6'2" / 246 lbs. Currently 225 as of this morning. Pic related.

I'm mainly judging progress by my weekly average since I tend to hold onto a lot of water weight (which is what every fatfuck says but still) and fluctuate a few pounds from day to day. I've also set benchmarks to try to hit by the end of each week but I've fallen short of the last few. Not really worried about it though since I'm still averaging about just under a 3 pound loss per week.

Been doing about an hour of modest cardio per day (walking and light jogging) + a somewhat physical job. Currently taking vitamin supplements and eating two small meals per day. Not being super rigorous about counting calories but I'd estimate about 1,000-1,300 daily. First two weeks were a nightmare but as long as I stay hydrated things aren't too bad. I'm actually surprised at how steady progress has been, though I have a feeling I'll start reaching my first major plateaus soon.

For my height, I'm looking to reach around 200-210 and lower my BF% since I'm still pretty pudgy looking. Oh well, at least I'm not obese anymore. By the way, is there any 'optimal' or preferred time to weigh yourself? I've been doing it around 9:00 each morning.

Having a fuck it day. Not tracking shit, not weight shit. I suspect I am still doing the exact same thing anyways. Habits are hard to break both ways. I want to go treat myself and I just keep looking at fridge wondering when I am going to get more cottage cheese. I am going to start peeling some carrots.

>>76537918
>By the way, is there any 'optimal' or preferred time to weigh yourself? I've been doing it around 9:00 each morning.
after a good shit/piss in the morning the odds of getting thrown the water weight curve ball are reduced. It will just get balanced out on the trend line, so it is a very minor optimization.

>>76537918
I'm about 10 pounds behind you, started at the same time. the next time i weigh in i'm expecting to breach into the 220s I'm going to be cutting down on my meals and doing extra cardio to make it happen

One day of struggle feels like I've gone through the entirety of ww 1&2. All just to feel no perceptible change and I have to fight this battle for hundreds to thousands of days. Overwhelmed doesn't even begin to describe how I feel.

you guys said my testosterone would increase when I lost weight. It didn't.

>>76537945
how much did u weigh and how much do u weigh now?

>>76537928
>after a good shit/piss in the morning
That's what I usually try, but lately I don't feel the urge to piss in the morning and waiting around for an hour to piss before I weigh myself feels like cheating to me. Also you're right on about habits going both ways. As long as you haven't had any binges in a while you don't really need to obsess with tracking shit. That's why I'm not counting calories right now.

>>76537935
Keep it up. I've been kicking myself for not starting earlier, but I think I'll be able to break into low-210s or 200s by the end of September.

>>76537945
it will but only if you eat saturated fat
if you keep doing your peasant starvation low fat diet your dick will never work
eat red meat

>>76537961
Retard alert

so hungry...

>>76537936
thats why i do weigh ins, when i measure myself every day theres fluctuations, but if i wait a few days in between i get more consistent progress
and it gives me something to look forward to.

>>76538015
The worst part is I've already prepped my meal for tomorrow and I know I'm going to hate it. I have nothing to look forward to for at least 2 days.

Fight on!

>>76537961
Based and correct.

>>76538015
You must be eating carbs.

>>76538020
Why eat food you hate?

>feeling like shit
>desperately want to binge
>desperately want to grab a bottle of wine and get piss drunk
>go outside for not even 5 min and fuck up some old furniture I need to burn with an axe
>Holy shit I feel so much better

I weigh myself once a week and generally I've very consistently been logging -0.5kg a week. But last time I actually gained like 1.5kg in just one week, and I honestly can't think of what I did to fuck up. Dreading weigh-in day tomorrow, if I'm still not back on track then I'm going to start fasting.

gonna get a slice of costco cheese pizza tomorrow and no one can stop me

>>76538040
I was about to say "one slice of pizza won't hurt" but I looked it up and holy christ a single slice is 760 calories
what the fuck are they putting in there

>>76538030
I dunno, my mom found a bunch of freezer prep meals you make ahead of time. Seemed like it was worth trying. But tomorrows meal is cranberry pork and I'm not a huge fan of cranberry sauces they are just too sour.

>>76538030
>Ketolard

>>76538040
Get the pepperoni it has less calories.

>>76537806
Which is irrelevant when you realize 2 lbs of watermelon isn’t shit. Pic related is 1 lb (150 calories). I actually think I would find 150 calories of halo top more filling because at least I’d get some of every macro. I could have a quarter pound of chicken and three cups of spinach and lettuce for just over 150 calories (in fact I just did) and actually be full.
>>76537808
Post body.
>>76537816
Lean meats, veggies, eggs/whites, almonds (sparingly for fats).
>>76537847
Not on its own. You can pair it with something else as you did with greek yogurt but now you’re well over 200 calories which is more than a meal and still less filling.

I don't eat a lot (OFFICIALLY). Yet I am still obese. And I know why: Despite only eating two meals a day, I munch on snacks throughout the day.
I've been in denial I know. I somehow never considered the caloric impact of the snacking I do after the two meals of the day.
>TWO Non-diet Monster energy drink cans every day (500 ml each).
>Waffles/Crepes.
>A bag of chips.
>A snicker bar.
>Pepsis.
>And sometimes, a calorically dense takeout at night.
If I just decide to stop eating after my second meal, I think I can lose a lot of weight.
I have been walking for around 14,000 steps a day for the past year but stayed the same weight.
I am going to reduce my steps to 7,000 so I stop suffering and just eat less.
I will start lifting dumbbells at home and do some core workouts.
Am I on the right track?

>calories
Believing in calories is why you are fat.

>Broke arm for 8 months
>Restarting PPL
>Lifts are going up
>Weight stays the same
What are the odds I'm recomping instead of cutting? I eat 1800 calories a day

>>76538040
I ate Costco pizza very often while losing weight, buying a whole pizza and heating up a slice per day is easier than meal prep, pretty cheap and it's decent enough with macros and satiation for a meal if you're smart the rest of the day.

>>76538070
It's an 18' pizza, the "single slices" are very big.

>>76538096
>wall of sperg
Fat autismos are amusing. I find it hard to imagine a fat autist all I can think of is sheldon from big bang theory but I guess not all of them are like that.

>>76538096
>2 lbs of watermelon isn’t shit
>I actually think I would find 150 calories of halo top more filling because at least I’d get some of every macro.
>apples and bananas are bad
you're colossally retarded

I'm 5'11, 250 but I have good muscle beneath all of it, any advice for cutting? yes I have a gigantic belly and man tits lol, going back to school is gonna fuck me up

>>76538108
>lifts up, bodyweight same
>What are the odds I'm recomping instead of cutting
roughly 100%, slight margin of error in the case that you're still getting used to moving weights again and each week you're just getting closer to true failure

>>76538100
I guess, you could try for something more concrete like 1400 calories a day

>>76538103
The tomatoes.

That was easy

>>76538108
>PPL

Dear God please be 3x a week and not a 6 day ppl brah horror story

>>76538100
>If I just decide to stop eating after my second meal, I think I can lose a lot of weight.
Stop snacking entirely, not just after your second meal. Replace all of those sugar drinks with either diet versions or water.
>steps reduction
not ideal and probably won't change how much you suffer, but it's fine
>weights
yes, good

Nothing will change if you don't find the motivation and discipline to stop sabotaging yourself, you can do it.

>>76538163
What's bad about 6 day ppl? I did it for the year before I was crippled and got awesome gains

>>76538215
Why are you going to the gym 6 days a week just to hit every muscle group twice? If you are strong (not trying to insult this is just the truth)
A) Arms will lag big time, you cannot move the same weight as if you hit them fresh and the fatigue from pushing and pulling isn't enough to stimulate growth past newbie gains
B) Your joints will never recover

Some genetic freaks make it work but most of us aren't genetic freaks. Plus why use so much volume and days in the gym when you are new? Steve Reeves built the best natural physique of all time on 3 days a week. You need rest days once you become a horsecock. Your progression will be better doing a 2-3 full body or UL or Torso Limbs. Most natty pro Bodybuilders don't train 6 days a week, you don't need to either. Legitimately trying to help. 6 Day ppl=sacrificing intensity for just showing up more.

Day 2 of one kilo of chicken meatballs a day.
First official day. Kinda cheated yesterday when I ate some beef meatballs and a meat pie.

>>76538231
This is what I do rn. It just doesn't seem like that much volume. Maybe I'm just training like a real wuss, but I don't really get exhausted. Also esoteric shoulder thing is just external rotations for my formerly broken arm

>>76538286
I'm doing machines so I can do one arm at a time also (crippled)

>>76538125
Eat a caloric defiicit with high protein and lift through out your weight loss. Don't get obsessed with the scale and let your will to be x weight cause you to let your muscles get eaten up by starving. I recommend you aim for 1700 calories or something like that and if your lifts start to suffer then eat some more.

Ate 1500 calories instead of my usual 1350 goal today because I was really tired :/

>>76538286
That's not as bad as I expected but for sure your arms will lag. If it's working keep doing it, I'm just some guy on the Internet, but there's not enough sleep/food in the world that would let me recover from 10 plus sets a week with only 1 rest day. Hope your shoulder gets and stays better. My question would be if you plateau on this program what are you going to change? Add more volume?

>>76538342
I'd probably just keep dropping the weight, or add more calories. I do appreciate the advice also, maybe I'm just a lucky freak. Here's the broken bone xray for fun

>>76538352
goddamn howd that happen?

>>76538357
Arm wrestling the biggest guy I know. I knew I would lose, but I wanted to see how long I could hold him. My mistake was leaning into it...now my arm looks like a football. Now I could go on some tirade about how pride is bad or whatever, but come on this is /fit/ I learned nothing and am training for our rematch now

>>76538362
Least it's pretty cool

>>76538352
>>76538352
Holy shit that’s bad any lasting nerve damage? Looks like that would fuck up radial nerve above the level of brachioradialis so I’m guessing most forearm extensors and grip strength could be in rough shape

>>76538373
I lucked out, and my hand works fine. The surgery was crazy though, there's like a high chance of a nerve getting touched and my hand would stop working for a couple months. I mostly have pain from anything involving external rotation, pushing, and hammer curls. They threw me in a brace for a good 4 months thinking it would heal, but it totally didn't. So I got a second opinion and surgery late march. I will say though it is quite humbling to be back at a 30 pound bench

>>76538387
More than anything though, I'm glad to be back. I was hitting just legs for 7 months, so the variety is great.

>>76538100
Holy shit you are a retard.

Is the pepsi also the non diet one? It's fucking 2025 anon.

Any tips for getting used to moving differently with the different body composition. I keep knocking everything around with my ass as I attempt to squeeze through places.

>>76538502
...post bod

>>76538503
I am still fat, got a bigger ass and smaller stomach. I don't know why you are grinding my gears on this.

Second week on Mounjaro.
Starting weight > Now
116KG > 113.4KG
256lb > 250lb

>>76538506
what r ur measurements? how much do u weigh and whats ur bmi?

>>76538502
just move around a lot, I guess.

I'm down 65 lbs now but didn't experience something like that

>>76538100
>Pepsis
this sounds like a deadly medical condition

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Somehow gained weight from yesterday even though I dropped a good shit. I had a raging suspicion that those cantine meals are more caloric than they seem. Guess it's time to start buying batches of chicken breast and cooking them myself.

>>76538511
Last 3 months for things in that area:
Waist down 10 inches (could be some inaccurate, my belly button kept moving. I think it is an inch or two higher)
Hips down 4.5 inches
My 1RM according to my app:
272.06 lbs - Hip Thrusts
191.18 - Hip Adduction
714.08 - Leg Press (187 base, 3 plates, 25, 10 each side).
Info I have 3 months data for:
207.7 -> 235.3 - Hip Abduction
133.8 -> 162.0 - Machine Crunch
281.69 -> 434.21 - Back Extension (Machine)

>>76538523
I am only 40 pounds in. I do move around a bunch, but it is getting weird. I went up the stairs today and didn't think about it. I am not leaning on wall to put on my shoes. I'll stand, start doing it and then almost fall because I freak out I don't have a support that I don't need anymore. The ass thing has been happening for two weeks now. I have been actively working on getting it better, just didn't expect this side effect.

>>76538100
Worked for me. The eye opener for me when I tracked calories on everything I put into my mouth for few weeks. I realized I mainly got only like 1500-1800cals from daily meals and almost the same from all those "it's only a small X" things I inhaled throughout the day without even noticing.
The solution for me was to quit snacking 100%, only eat the normal meals and that's it. Now 20kg down and counting.

Man I cannot beat the snacking demons, or my bad habits
I'm really trying this year but I keep failing
I have 2 good weeks then 3 bad ones and this pattern of bad weeks countering the good weeks has meant I've seen zero progress

>>76538551
I think the problem with snacking is that we treat it the same as "Just eating too much food" when really it's "Addicted to the sensation food gives you".

I'm not shrink or anything but, maybe try thinking on why the weeks were bad, and if there's things going on that result in your acting, try and tackle those.

It's easier to do difficult things when you're feeling good.

>>76538163
If you are natty the ideal program is ppl+ul or ppl+full body.

>>76538565
I think it can't be generalized. If your deltoids can handle 5 days a week training, then they should get that. Mine get grumpy after two. Every time I design a PPL or U/L I end up adding things that are already recovered to get more sets in and it turns into a nothing plan, but very optimized workout.

>If you are natty
it drives me crazy when the monkeys go full potato into a 5 day split when they still have a ton potential left. I wish I could be a monkey, stupid heart condition.

>>76538015
>>76538020
Learn how to cook stuff that tastes great and that you can eat tons of so you both love it and never are hungry.
You dum dums really don't know how to diet, huh.
0 reason to be hungry or eat disgusting food. Stop doing that to yourselves.

>tfw no longer obese
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>76538535
Congrats, champ!

>>76538108
Almost certainly recomp. if you were out of action for 8 months you probably lost muscle mass but gained significant amount back through muscle memory. there are cells called myonuclei cells (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myosatellite_cell) which are created when you gain muscle but aren't really lost when you lose muscle, and those cells help build muscle.

Theres a study on this https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1827108/ where they showed that if you took 6 months to build X kg of muscle, and then you lose X kg of muscle, it will take on average ~6 weeks to regain it back again.

That's probably what happened in your case, you're regaining muscle significantly faster than you were previously

i let myself go for 16 days and 10 pounds just flew back on me. i was actually looking ok at 163 now i'm back up to 175. why do i have such a huge appetite that can consume 7000 calories a day like it's nothing?

>>76538632
go get checked by a doctor

>>76538637
why? what could be wrong?

Soups seem like an unfair hack on kcal deficit diets.
>tastes great
>cheap
>easy
>some have pretty much no kcal
>can easily add protein if I want/need it
Was always hungry before I figured it out. Now I just make a huge ass pot of soup that lasts for days and whenever I even start feeling a bit hungry I simply go to the fridge and fill me up a big goddamn bowl of soup.
What's the catch?

>>76538644
High lead time, dicing veggies is relatively time consuming, needs to be watched, needs a relatively high number of ingredients on hand, unsuitable for the average goysumer that wants food right here right now and doesn't want to think about it or work for it.

>>76538644
I think you need to have the homosexual gene to enjoy them otherwise nothing bad I guess.

>>76538644
salt, if you care.
cream based soups are full of all sorts of calories and awful things

I love my vegetable soup. I buy the version that has the noodle letter in it.

>>76538641
idk im not a doctor, thats why i said to go to one

>>76538632
>why do i have such a huge appetite that can consume 7000 calories a day like it's nothing?
That's called binge eating, I used to do it when I was stressed in a shit job. Your body uses food to cope with something and can make you insatiably hungry. GLP1's can help but thats a bandaid fix, you need to figure out whats causing you to binge and try fix that. For me it was finding a new job in a new field that I actually love.

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TheObeseBrit
203lbs

>>76538653
Shit I'd actually say it takes way less time than even your average autistic chicken breast with rice kinda thing.
It's literally just one pot and a cutting board. You chop it all up, throw it into the pot, let it barely boil and go jerk off for like half an hour. Then you come back and there's a finished soup. Okay maybe you stir it once every 15 mins or something but even if you don't it'll probably be fine.
Best thing is you don't have to clean different pans and shit. It's all inside one thing. Which is also the container for it while it's in the fridge.
It's fucking brilliant. I feel like Grug when he figured out how fire works.

>>76538655
Was it the carrot or the leek that immediately made you think of homosex? I think you have some self searching to do, the sooner you admit it to yourself the better you feel about it.

Reduce your caloric intake

>>76538535
Nice work, welcome to wall bro.

>>76538535
Garfield 2.0. You'll be found out.

I’m starting to get horny all the time. But I’m still too fat to get laid

>>76538535
>Somehow gained weight from yesterday even though I dropped a good shit.
Probably just water. And what you eat/drink can stay inside you for days, it doesn't drop out after one night.
Can't be judging weight differences from short timespans like that, don't worry bout it.
Otherwise congrats.

im so close to the greenzone bros...

>>76538826
I remember when I first lost the weight and my morningwood came back for the first time since I was a teenager, its was like "oh yea... I forgot it did that." It took me a couple months to get used to waking up with at least a halfchub especially since what usually wakes me up in the morning is the urge to piss so then you've got to like wait for the chub to subside enough to be able to piss freely.

>>76538615
>if you took 6 months to build X kg of muscle, and then you lose X kg of muscle, it will take on average ~6 weeks to regain it back again
if this is true then the best move is to go full bore when you're cutting, isn't it? Like, eat one high-protein high-vitamin meal every two days or something and spend all day walking to get 4000+ kcal deficits.

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blindoptimism
169lbs

>>76538836
I bounced out of it almost as soon as I crossed it and only got back in this week, trying to figure out maintenance is a process...

How deep into the green do you plan on going? I think my current plan for now is to try to figure out a sustainable way for me to stay just under the line.

>>76538848
im planning to stay around the 75 line in the image

>>76537897 (OP)
let's go, raccoon!

>>76538852
Ahh, so roughly where 160 is on my chart. I was thinking about that as a second potential goal weight if I don't like 180. I'm going to stick around 180ish for awhile and see if I could maintain this weight and recomp a bit for a few months. Going from almost a year of eating TDEE-1000 to suddenly eating just TDEE was a huge change having an extra 1000 calories to spend everyday really opens up so many options, but its still easy to get carried away, I went back to TDEE-1000 this week to correct and bring myself back under and it worked very well, going to 160 would only take a few weeks...like this, it is tempting.

>>76538597
>>76538734
>>76538828
Thank you for the kind words. WAGMI.
>>76538738
28th of August will be a full year I since started my fat loss journey. Back then my weight was 147.8kg. I took a "before" picture on that day and I'm planning to take an "after" picture in 5 days. You will see for yourself if I'm a fraud or not.

Mark your calendars boys.

3XL -> M

>>76538947
Fat shit

>>76538947
Nice.
I'm still a very hefty 135kg, but I find I'm swimming in some of my largest shirts.

>>76538951
>>76538947
>tfw lost enough weight my old clothes dont fit me much anymore
>still am not at goal weight so i can't start shopping for new stuff because it'll be ill fitting soonish too
and with my freak physique it's gonna be fucking hard to find shit anyways. yay

>>76538952
I bought a suit that I look forward to wearing when I lose some more weight.

>>76538952
>with my freak physique
That'll stabilize if you can stay at your new weight. Goal weight is very rarely goal body, it takes about a year for your fat to redistribute, and your skin to reach a new equilibrium point. You can also spend that year lifting and that'll also certainly improve your physique as well. Usually people still look like shit when they hit their goal weight so don't worry too much about it if you're not looking good yet, keep at it and give it time.

>>76538963
Aye but I have a really long torso, short legs (for my height, 36' inseam for 6'5), long arms, and very thick and muscular legs for a reasonable waist.
Whenever I wear shirts/t-shirts they're too short lengthwise and upping the X's only makes them wider and shopping for pants is a nightmare. If I find pants my waist fits in I can NOT pull them past my calves and thighs. It's ridiculous

>>76538976
>really long torso, short legs
My uncle is around your height and he used to shop at a specialty big and tall clothing store that had t-shirts specifically tailored for guys like you. It was like a brick and mortar shop that you'd drive to and talk to a sales associate and the guy would measure you and stuff and pick out clothes for your specific level of bigness and/or tallness, they had options for even the oddest combos of bigness and/or tallness, don't know if those are still a thing since nowadays people just get stuff from the internet where uniformity is king, but it was at one point, maybe look if there is a big and tall store around your area they might still be around.

day six of fast, lost 6kg but i dirnk 1.5-2L of water. i shit stomach acid, my stach hurts and i feel like shit. i will nevwr fast again when i finish

>>76537897 (OP)
Been keeping to sub 1k cal a day the last week and it’s been ez pz well running or walking at least 2 to 5 miles every day and then arm exercises

>>76539013
>i will nevwr fast again when i finish
I wouldn't recommend any fasting longer than 72h. The longest fast I did was 7 days and it was utterly miserable. I did about a month of 5 day mon-fri fasting; weekend refeeding, and even that was rough. What I settled on and was pretty sustainable was 1week where I did 72hour fast, followed by a week where I just ate reduced calories, then I'd alternate back and forth, only doing 1 72h fast ever other week. That one was pretty nice and not really difficult to stick to.

Fasting is pretty extreme in general and not something you should really do often even as a megafat, typically its best just stick to reduced calories. That said I did find fasting to be pretty effective at breaking cravings and addiction to things like sugar or simple carbs. After fasting I didn't crave those things like I used to, but is that really worth how hard it is on you, not really sure. I found it helpful.

>>76539002
Are you in the US? I've heard it's much easier to find such shops in the States cause a lot of Americans are generally bigger than Euros. I'm a yurofag and I've never seen or heard of such stores.

>>76538952
I still haven't bought new pants even though all my old ones look clownish on me now
It feels kind of good to put them on and hold the waist way out and think "These used to be snug on me"

>>76539031
>Are you in the US?
Yep, there were quite a few back in the day.

Kingsize is one of the ones he'd go to, I only remembered the name because of the simpsons episode, but there were others too.

>>76538952
>Bought and got offered expensive clothes a few months ago.
>They already don't fit anymore.
>Had to add holes to the belt to make it fit.
rip
Only went 3XL to XL (euro sizes, so 2XL to L in US ig) though, I'm still tall and large. Don't think I'd ever fit in M but ah, yeah, that'd be L here. I think that's doable but I don't really want to try that size right now.

>>76538040
why not eat 760 calories of chicken thighs instead? you'll feel a lot fuller. you'll feel better afterward. you'll have more than enough protein to build some muscle if you decide to workout.

i like to compare two foods that have equal calories and then choose the one that lets me eat moar. chicken and salmon are the grand champions of low calories but high satiety.

pizza is great but you'll just want more in a couple of hours. a diet is a temporary thing. it eventually ends. why torture yourself by being hungry?

>>76539078
A life without pizza isn't worth living

>>76539028
Someone give me Poo prognosis

>>76539086
Seems crazy to throw away 760 calories on a slice of pizza, but it's probably fine as long as you fit it into your daily calorie budget. Once every couple of weeks I skip breakfast and lunch so I can have fast food slop.

>>76539121
Unironically kill yourself

>>76531882
if you're here recipeanon, I made your chicken broccoli. Yours seems to have better color than mine, but I still enjoyed it. I think I need to pan fry the chicken next time because my air fryer isn't giving me that nice sear.

>>76539197
forgot the pic

I WANT TO EAT 5000KCALS OF SLOP SO BAD

>>76538826
Women are attracted to genetic features (eye area, skin, hair, hairline, beard, height), not fat vs fit. Unless your fat is covering up some slayer jawline it's unlikely it will actually be the difference that gets you a girlfriend.

>>76539030
>That said I did find fasting to be pretty effective at breaking cravings and addiction to things like sugar or simple carbs.

NTA but I had the same experience.
The desire to gorge myself and pig out on garbage like sugar or chips etc is gone and hasn't returned in months.

>>76539216
er, no
there could be a million reasons why a girl dates a fat guy, but looks are not usually one of them

>>76539216
while what you said is true regarding why they are attracted to people, being a fat ass is also going to turn women off you as well

>>76539216
You can get away with being fat, but you can't get away with being obese.

>>76539229
>women like the balding short gremlin because he has abs! not the fat 6'2 with slayer eyes and a good hairline

cope

>>76539247
ok buddy, whatever helps you sleep at night
remember to keep losing the weight though

>>76539247
>slayer eyes
?

>>76537882
you don't need to go full keto, but the recommendations I saw were to consume at least 0.8g of fat per kg of bodyweight for your whoremoans to work correctly.

My targets atm are
max 1,900 kcal
min 120g protein
min 60g of a good mix of different fats
between 50g and 100g carbs

the problem with keto isnt really the principle, but the practice. no oil is easier to keep track of, more room for error per gram. throwing food in a non stick pan or dry air frying at least cut out one major source of empty calories

>>76539306
the only time I have trouble with oil is when I eat out
moreover fat is not empty calories. it's dense, but it's not unhealthy.

>>76538954
retard

Keto and Fasting are signs of low iq

>>76539327
no

>>76539328
Yes

>>76539324
It's a nice suit. Just 2 sizes too small.

>>76538845
It is true, and thats why people bulk then cut

>>76538848
Great job coming from that far dude. Good work.

>270.4 pounds for three days

I hate plateaus. Waiting for that fucking WOOSH

Why are keto results so much better than calorie restricters?

I'm not going to promote kito or anything but I don't get shitting on cico... isn't it just the fundamental laws of energy?
Like if you're literally not putting food in your mouth, how can you NOT lose weight...?

>>76539370
Ketofags secretly do CICO when no one is looking

>>76539323
empty calories and unhealthy are not the same thing
full, healthy: lean protein
empty, healthy: vegetable/fruit juice
full, unhealthy: satiating fat meat
empty, unhealthy: sweets

emptiness is really only about ease of intake vs satiety. I can easily drink a liter of soda or juice and ruin my goals, that's empty calories because it's not solid food.
my point is that in the context of a meal, cooking fats are empty, because they are molten and add no substance.
in their warm state they dont add nearly as much satiety as you'd hope

>>76539374
CICO doesn't work at all. It's not a law of physics that's just part of a motte-and-bailey fallacy used to trick people into an ineffective method of weight loss.

When you restrict calories and eat carbs you just lower your metabolism. You end up with worse body composition due to muscle loss. And you increase your hunger.

>>76539387
But what if I weight train and do CICO?

>>76539389
You'll die.

>>76539382
The dictionary definition of 'Empty calories' literally means calories with low nutrient density, but I see what you mean now.

Personally, fat keeps me satiated better than carbs. I am always more hungry after carbs.

>>76539392
Why?
>1989 calories is my current bmr
>eat that or less making sure I get like 140g of protein daily
>work out
Seems fine to me

>>76539396
Old age.

>>76539389
As long as you don't eat carbs you'll be fine.

>>76539389
It's fine. The issue is thinking that a diet is temporary: it is not, we are looking at a true lifestyle change.

>>76539374
I'm guessing he was a retard who misunderstood what CICO was and then assumes everyone else is just as dumb. His intentions are good.

Fattycontest
Crisco
214.4

>>76539348
but the usual recommendations for cutting I see is 0.5% to 1% of your bodyweight per week. If you can really rebuild muscle that quickly, going like 2% or 3% would be the rational thing to do.

>>76539412
Are women really that impressed with an average looking physique like his?

>>76539387
>CICO doesn't work at all.
it's literally the only thing that works and the only way diets work

>>76539387
Metabolism is part of the CO in CICO. I don't see the problem there.
Funny how such a simple concept seems to cause so much seething among memedieters.

>>76539447
Keto and CICO are opposite.

Keto works. CICO doesn't.

Bought and tried some Greek Yoghurt.
What in the fuck who the hell likes this shit

>>76539463
Keto is CICO

>>76539470
On keto you eat unlimited amounts of the most "calorie-dense" macro (fat).

On CICO you restrict food intake and avoid dietary fat.

They're opposite.

Ketoschizo is back posting his 12 year old boy looking ass. Kek

>>76539463
You are as retarded as the delusional fat women who think their bodies defy the laws of thermodynamics.

Nothing motivates me to lose weight more than seeing some fat retarded boomer who's too obese to even wipe their own ass anymore and so smells like actual feces and gets gassed from just a couple steps with a walker or else has no use of their legs anymore. Food may taste good now but you'll pay for it, not only in the present, but much, much later.

>>76539468
I do

>>76539482
>On keto you eat unlimited amounts of the most "calorie-dense" macro (fat).
no you don't for one
and for two keto puts you in a calorie deficit thus you lose weight

>>76539468
Me

>>76539482
>On keto you eat unlimited amounts of the most "calorie-dense" macro (fat).
Is that you

>>76539525
UOOOH

>>76539534
All muscle mass

>>76539468
I love it
What I don't understand how people eat is cottage cheese, shit tastes awful

Oh, is it that time again in this thread?

>>76539568
>physical evidence
yeah of cico working lol

>>76539568
Yes, I thought I recognized you. Good old schizo.

>>76539468
Greek yogurt is the bomb, try adding fruit or granola or get a flavored kind

>getting psyopped by Sugar Information Inc.
Calorietards can't figure out which is less fattening.

>>76539568
Don't make me mog ya again ketoschizo, last time you went into hiding for 6 months, the only rule was to stop spamming your horrible physique the rest of the keto spam is acceptable

>>76539581
Post body

>>76539581
He just likes the attention.

>>76539568
Would love to see a psychological case study done on you to find out why would a mental illness manifest in such a weird way.

>>76539589
>Me cico
>Eat a normal human diet

>You keto
>Molest children at the bustop
>Work at best buy

>>76539601
>no timestamp
>guy who does steroids
Steroids just confirm that hormonal theory of obesity is correct and CICO is false.

This year I've lost about 32lbs, but I didn't realize the difference in how I looked until I found a photo from last year. Give it to me straight /fat/ how is my progress looking?

>>76539614
hmmmmmmm

>>76539601
Lol someone make a side by side like ketoschizo does

I think ketoschizo was probably a normal person once. But heard one too many claims about keto and it broke him. Now he does it as a form of ragebait.
You may post the 'i was just pretending to be retarded' comic, but ragebaiting has been site culture since inception.

>>76539468
It's inoffensive to my palate and has god tier macros. Best to mix it with other stuff in recipes instead of eating it plain.

>>76539614
Great, it's especially noticeable in the face.

okay but did we really have to throw the humble bestbuy employees under the bus?

>>76539632
>but ragebaiting has been site culture since inception.
It was called trolling, and it was a art.

>>76539638
Thanks, its been tough the last month. I've been stuck at 209 since the first week of August. I try and cut myself some slack because I have a herniated disc and its hard to walk, but I still want the number on the scale to go down

>>76539614
>how is my progress looking?
it's looking good, keep it going

>>76539651
Thanks anon, I started at 241 and my goal is to get to 195 by the end of the year. Right now im stuck in a plateau at 209 but seeing the difference is giving me some extra motivation

>>76539624
I'll make one as soon as he posts a pic with his shirt off and a timestamp.

>>76539647
Exercise doesn't cause weight loss. That's a myth promoted by calorietards.

>everyone bigger than me is on steroids

-ketoschizo 8/23/2025

>>76539660
these two look similar
left is tryhard posing though

>>76539668
Left eats unlimited calories, doesn't have to measure or track his food in a diary, never goes hungry, and doesn't work out.

I ate my morning hot dog and then did bicycle and walking for about 40 minutes.
i hope i burnt off the blood sugar from the hot dog so my body can start burning fat right away.
>>76539369
just drop your calories for a couple days and then weigh in again.

>76539672
surely even he can't believe what he's typing right?

>>76539672
so he has a manual labor job? he does kind of look like a blue collar worker.

>>76539646
*an art

>>76539672
I tried keto and carnivore
Unlimited calories is a lie
I gained weight on both, this shit only works like that if you have the appetite of a normie or a woman

>I tried keto
ngmi

>2 croissants with chocolate are 500kcal, which is my full lunch
I can easily eat ten of them.

>>76539665
I can certainly restrict carbs more, but in my experience i was able to eat more and lose more weight when I was averaging 15k steps a day pre injury

1.1kg loss this week despite a couple of mistakes along the road, we're all gonna make it!

FattyContest
memediet
104kg

Too much failure, too much scale ignoring
I need to get back, hope some of this is just waterweight gained back, but wouldn’t be surprised if it was all fat

Just a reminder that your body works differently on keto and is optimized to burn fat, meanwhile on carbs you're optimized to store fat. I don't make the rules.
CICO does not take into account body composition, macros, insulin resistance, hormones, or anything more complex than "A CALORIE IS A CALORIE".
CICOtards seriously believe you'll lose the same amount of fat eating 800 calories of pop tarts vs 800 calories of chicken breast, and if you point out that this is obviously false and retarded they'll start crying and calling you a schizophrenic retard.

>>76539696
I ate 1200kcal and walked 15k steps. -40kg in a year. I fucking hate oatmeal now, because that was my 365 breakfasts in a row. And I'm not talking about packaged oatmeal with sugar, but the real one, not smashed seed, which you cook for half an hour.

>>76539703
based and formerly feeding&seeding

>>76539705
if you eat 800 calories of poptarts a day and you lose 25 pounds in a month, how much would you lose eating 800 calories of chicken instead?

>>76539719
you would probably lose 15-20 pounds instead because on the poptart diet all of your weight loss would be in muscle (which is less calorically dense than fat), meanwhile on the chicken breast diet you would be losing only fat.
So if you want to diet your way into skinnyfatness, go ahead and CICOtard yourself

>>76539719
Like 1 pound more due to thermic pressure effect of protein
But you would save more muscle mass (mostly fat loss still on both sides)
All current diet knowledge leads to this conclusion

>>76539680
No. Sedentary.

anons really be like 'steel is heavier than feathers and I'm tired of pretending otherwise'

>>76539693
Carbs are easy to eat.

>>76539735
steel (muscle) is denser than feathers (fat).
If you want to lose steel, keep eating carbs. If you want to lose volume (fat), do keto.

1259kcal
50g fat
75g carbs
121g protein
That's yesterday

>>76539735
It seems like one guy who's trolling, but doing it lazily by just spamming and pretending to be retarded

>>76539719
It depends on your level of insulin resistance. Eating zero carb boosts metabolism by +500kcal/day in the top 1/3rd.

Avoiding carbs also results in more muscle mass and less body fat at the same weight.

It's always the gaslighting
>You have an argument that I can't debunk?
>Well clearly that's absurd! You must be trolling. You don't actually believe that.

I think the whole "preserve your muscle mass" thing is a bit of a meme, because if any of us had muscle mass, we'd not be fat.
It's more aimed at really buff dudes who are cutting and don't want to lose gains they've spent months building, not fat dudes who have minimal muscle to start with and could gain it all back by just a month or two of exercise.

You should eat protein because your body needs it, it's very calorie efficient and tastes pretty good.

>>76539750
see
>>76539735

>>76539765
Yeah it’s a meme
All human studies confirm you lose mostly fat on any diet and there is some slight difference in muscleloss
Makes sense considering your body uses muscle as a sort of protein storage for when you eat lots of protein

>>76539534
that's Eddie Hall

Fatty Contest
PortuFat
128.0kg
171cm

>>76539765
If you're already lifting then 80% of your gains will come in the first few years and you will basically never lose them as long as you're eating in a caloric surplus and not sedentary (and by sedentary I mean absolutely bedridden, never walking or doing any form of light exercise)
A pound of muscle only burns 3-4 more calories each day than a pound of fat, if you have any idea of how hard it is to gain 20 pounds of muscle after your first year of lifting you'll understand that it's impossible to lift your way out of being fat. Unless you're a serious bodybuilder that has been lifting for years your body composition will have a negligible effect daily on your TDEE, the difference between the average dude that goes to the gym and works out vs a guy that doesn't is maybe 300-400 calories a day. That's like two donuts.

You cannot lift your way out of being fat, and it is much easier to eat the caloric difference that's the result of gaining 15 pounds of muscle than it is to gain said muscle.

>>76539769
The reason you want to stop being fat is because you're a puffy lardass and everyone can see you're fat as fuck. Do you want to lose that fat and become skinny, or do you want to lose your muscle and stay a fatass, but weaker?

Fatty Contest
justaguy
106.3 kg

The new scale is fucking me, I haven't changed my behavior in that time since the old scale broke, so I doubt I actually gained weight, I probably just didn't lose some of the weight the scale claimed I did in the past, but goddamn this hurts to see.

>>76539614
the gut is completely gone and your arms look more cut, nice job

>>76539765
Man you are fucking dumb. Fats should typically have a good amount of muscle mass. I find the fats in this specific 4chan thread to have a lack of muscle mass that is an anomaly. I think because of the high proportion of europoors and third worlders who managed to get fat on a low protein low meat diet.

do any of you wear knee brace? if so do you wear it daily or only when inflammation or something?

>can see my fucking ribs but still have a gut
man my body comp is FUCKED

>>76538078
if one bowl of froot loops is enough to make you crumble then your diet plan was probably shit and unsustainable anyways

>>76539806
more like they sat in a chair and played video games for the first 20 years of their life

>>76539847
actually for me it was 30

>>76539806
>I find the fats in this specific 4chan thread to have a lack of muscle mass that is an anomaly

I’ve had this observation too. I think it is a Europe thing as well as the younger generation being less active, for their whole lives basically. When you were fat in the 90s you still ran around and climbed trees and would be pressured to play sports even if you sucked

>>76539819
Warned you about carbs, bro.

Fatty Contest
BeefyWeiner
189.25 lbs
5'9"

>>76539728
>all of your weight loss would be in muscle
not all
>on the chicken breast diet you would be losing only fat.
not only

>Weight keeps going up despite eating 1600 calories a day and doing a 10k run every other day
It’s already happened a few times and always ends but these plateaus are weird. I’ve never been more hungry and physically exhausted by my body just wants to retain water for some reason.

>>76539922
the reason is that you are losing fat

>>76539922
just weigh in every few days, watching the scale will only annoy you

>>76539922
Stop eating carbs and your hunger will disappear.

alright cico xisters, let's see how we can reduce our calories...
>cut fat from diet -> lose whoremoans, balls shrink, dick doesn't work
>cut protein -> lose muscle, get sick and skinnyfat
>cut carbs -> lose water weight
oh ladyboy oh ladyboy, such a hard choice.

>cut carbs
>die
hmmmm

>>76539468
get skyr or quark instead and put spekulatius spices on it

Gentlemen, I have a revolutionary new diet for you. It's called "everything in moderation".

>>76539468
>who the hell likes this shit
I do. It's tasty. Also 2% fat instead of 15-20% of sour cream. I use it as a dressing for vegetable salad. Or sometimes just use some stevia on it and eat it like a regular yogurt.

For me?
It's the eat nothing diet.
I have all the food I need on my body anyway.

For me? It’s the eat everything diet. I will become the largest and most powerful being on Earth. All your food will belong to me.

>>76540024
please spare my food CATS

Starting a 10 day sugar diet, looking to drop about 5 pounds to really bring out the striations, supplies acquired

>>76540044
>vanilla coke
nice... I wish we had some of this in my food desert

>>76539982
litfit here, Aristotle already came up with that idea

>>76539999
Higher fat is better, though. I buy creme fraiche instead of sour cream.

>cut carbs
>most painful shits of my life
Never again

>>76540048
They even have it on tap at restaurants here in WV

>>76540044
>sugar diet
... what?

lunch time snuck up on me
all my hot dogs are frozen so i ate an equivalent amount of lunchon meat. I wish i could go walk the calories off but its too hot out

>>76540080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0ourNPjZs4

>>76540080
https://youtube.com/shorts/eNc88-eJ_Y4?feature=shared

It increases NEAT so much you burn around 400 extra calories a day. Great for rapid weight loss and protein sparring

>>76540070
If you go full keto you will never have to shit again.

>>76540104
>that necklace
Oy vey.

Fatty Contest
Healthy2026
359.1

>>76539708
What was you starting weight? I generally just have a cup of coffee for breakfast then eat a light lunch and have most of my calories at dinner. Right now my calorie goal is 2250 which puts me at a 500 cal deficit

>>76540070
>>cut carbs
>>most painful shits of my life
>Never again

>>76540070
Leafy greens brother, need that fiber

>>76540172
this is how you look on keto

>>76540044
Does this actually work?

>>76540115
>What was you starting weight?
120kg

>>76540110
Keep grinding big nigga, I see you

Cabbage is fucking cheating I tell you bros. Insane volume for barely any kcals. Takes on whatever flavor you give it. Cheap as shit. It ain't fair.

>>76540197
yeah you lose 100 lbs in a month

no it fucking doesn't you moron

>>76540203
Why exactly doesn't it? If you're in a deficit it's still a deficit right?

Fatty Contest
Big Frigate
197.6 lbs

>the sugar retard is back
Great

>>76540204
>a deficit is a deficit
yes
but not every deficit is the same
and
weight loss - bad
fat loss - good
the sugar "diet" causes weight loss

>>76540186
>this is how you look on keto

>>76540197
It works well enough, carbs and protein are more musclesparing than fat on a cut

>>76540213
Sugar anon here, not true because the sugar is protein sparring. I just finished a bulk that was mainly olive oil in water and the sugar diet lets me get the weight off while hitting PRs in the gym still

This guy is beyond retarded

If I do rollings 72s and then eat a high protein/medium fat/low carb refeed does that make associated with the keto schizo?

>>76540228
>because the sugar is protein sparring
it doesn't spare even a bit of protein
> a bulk that was mainly olive oil in water
kek

who is paying these faggots for shitting up the thread I don't get it

>>76540240
Yikes

>>76540228
>I just finished a bulk that was mainly olive oil in water
The fuck?

It's funny how a few schizos can make this thread really annoying, well at least I'm not gonna get distracted by it until my next post on weigh-in

>>76540249
I ate at maintenance and then added a bunch of olive oil to my water because I don't have the appetite to eat more chicken and shit. Easy way to get more calories in. Oil, butter, avocado, cream cheese, no sugar peanut butter etc. only way I could get the calories in

>>76540257
I assume you dont believe in maingaining

Ketoschizo is back? Was he banned or something? Or is he only seasonal and only posts in the fall? Kinda weird how he was gone for so long and now he's back and posting the same tired and long debunked bullshit again.

>>76540263
No I bulk hard and cut harder

I'm at 82kg
I think I'll stay at 82kg for the rest of the year

>>76540264
Well every time he comes back retards here answer him like he's got some actual arguments to refute. They think he's here for _discussion_.
Of course he comes back every time.

>>76540240
The "sugar diet" was started by vegans to shill plant-based carbs and was picked up by roiders with social media accounts for attention.

People shilling it here are almost certainly vegans. That's why they seethe about keto, too.

I am a day piggy oink oink why did I do this I binged hard

>>76540197
yes, so does eating only 800 calories of beans, or only 800 calories of alcohol.
the reason you wouldnt do any of those is because theres no point
most popular diets have a general point to them, fiber, protein, oils, all can have some benefit. theres no point to only eating candy and fruit juice.

the unfathomable meatblob from the depths of psmf niggerhell

>>76540316
I don't consider there to be any difference between veganism and keto. Both are harmful meme diets with obnoxious aggressive evangelist fanboys.

>>76540366
nice minced meat reddit

>>76540369
Based. Keto and vegans are both retarded nutrient deficient diets

>>76540218
>muh Indo-Europeans
You aren't an Sintashta cattle herder retard.

>>76540369
Same, I like the idea of the sugar diet but I hate the thought of protecting animals
Hunting animals and eating them is humanpilled and I make sure to get all my protein from meat

>>76540392
Nobody's hunting anything, they all live horror existences in factory dungeons and mechanically disemboweled for my gains.

>>76540407
>Nobody's hunting anything
My freezer full of elk meat would like to politely disagree with you.

>>76540407
Faggot ass city slicker

I will never be a normal person, i will always be a fatty trying to stay thin. This is not fair.

>>76540366
I can't finish it

15lbs to go to hit my target by october. wagmi

>>76540429
Eat that shit nigger that way you won't binge later. I try to tell people, eat like 300g of lean protein and low calorie veggies and the weight will fly off and you'll be stuffed.

>That's too much protein

Stfu

>>76540369
>I don't consider there to be any difference between veganism and keto.

>>76540427
You could give up, or you could use semaglutide/tirzepatide
It turns your brain into that of a normal person

>face looks great from the front now
>neck still fat as shit from side profile
Well damn
Still have like 30 lbs to lose hopefully that does it but I might just have fucked genetics there because dudes fatter than me at this point don't look like this

>>76540450
grim

"Grim" is br*tish slang
Be aware of who you're posting with

>>76537897 (OP)
Friend says I look like a meth addict, should I lay it off with the dieting?

Ok bros how am I doing? Just in case it's hard to read, it says 220lbs March 29th and now I'm just above 182lbs. 6'3"
The 3rd and 4th pics are the same day, I'm just flexing in the last one. I'm not flexing any other day to show off how I just normally look.

>>76540427
the struggle gets easier over time, also "normal people" are fatties who don't even bother trying to stay thin, you are already better than them

but all the yummiest foods are made from carbs :(

>>76540427
If you just quit carbs then you will be lean without effort and without any hunger.

>>76540583
Bacon, eggs, steak, butter, cheese, salami, etc are all delicious. Low-fat diets are disgusting.

>>76540588
all improved with a humble slice of bread

Fatty Contest
timetolockin
212.66

Fatty Contest
Ponponpon
261lbs

>>76540536
you are doing good but you are not 15%bf
try 16-17%

but on one hand you don't look quite lean enough for 15% but on the other hand 182lbs is quite light for 6'3 so I dunno maybe you store more in the upper body then the lower body

>>76540583
You can't reason with ketoschizos, to them it's perfectly reasonable that you'll never have a beer or dinner with friends ever again, or enjoy a reasonable amount of carb food that tastes good. This is because they've annoyed everyone who cared out of their lives droning endlessly about their cult, so now it's easy for them. In their reality, avoiding or ruining social situations is "low effort", but practicing a bit of self restraint and moderation is a Herculean task.

>>76540450
>obnoxious aggressive evangelist fanboys

>>76539306
the problem with keto is that it has been twisted by social media influencers who took it from "high protein, low carb, low fat" to "moderate protein, low carb, high fat" and that's fucking retarded.

frankly, i'm tired of arguing about it.

>tl;dr- you're doing it wrong

>>76539377
this. there is no path to fat loss that is not also a caloric deficit. keto just takes away most of the pain and hunger because meat has such high satiety.

>>76539387
>CICO doesn't work at all
looks like this thread has saboteurs now

>>76540676
>low fat
not exactly

if nobody makes a new one i will.

>>76539412
BEING ON A DIET IS TEMPORARY. obviously, you are changing your lifestyle also but that doesn't mean you have to count calories and starve yourself forever to have a healthy life.

>>76540676
Keto has always been high-fat low-carb. It was referred to as HFLC.

>>76539438
yes

>>76540689
go ahead

>>76540687
Yeah everyone who advocates for carbs is a saboteur. Everyone knows that the solution to obesity is cutting carbs.

>>76540687
Luckily keto is so self-evidently retarded that anyone with a brain will see through their shilling. Imagine being scared of carbs and thinking thermodynamics is fake.

>>76540719
that professor is just copying the chocolate cake diet professor. there's nothing new under the sun. CICO always works, keto just makes is easier for people who don't enjoy feeling like death every day.

>>76540698
a few years before the keto movement hit the television crowd, it built up all its momentum right here on /fit/. people told us we were crazy and that it was unhealthy and wouldn't work.

and no one here was advocating eating unlimited fats, that's insane. the idea was twisted and changed. keto is focused on protein, not fat. it's best for bodybuilders, that why people here discussed it so much. it's crazy how frequently 4chan has led the way.

>>76540731
>CICO always works,
According to a large chunk of keto posters, this is in dispute.
>keto just makes is easier for people who don't enjoy feeling like death every day.
Some people find it easier and if that's the case for you then yes you should do keto, but some people do not find it easier, so they should not. Every diet has pros and cons, is avoiding all carbs easier than possible satiety issues depending on your specific diet? Only the individual dieter can answer this, but I promise you that plenty of people counting calories and eating carbs do not "feel like death every day".
Many ketocultists try to say that keto is the ONLY solution to weight loss, which is flat out wrong. The twinkie diet would obviously be miserable and not long term sustainable, but the fact that it produced results proves the ketocult to be false.

>>76540748
>keto is focused on protein, not fat
so this is the latest psyop now huh
this has never been true

I think the keto and CICO people should kiss and make out.

>>76540748
>keto is focused on protein, not fat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet

>>76540779
keto """people""" should kiss a 12 gauge

>>76540507
30lbs is a huge difference. Hang in there.
>>76540524
Saw my fat brother for the first time in a year and he asked if I was on drugs. Nope, that's just how we're supposed to look bro.

>>76540524
no but you should put on some muscle

I feel like my digestion has slowed down a lot. On one hand I don't feel hungry, but on the other I wonder if this will affect my TDEE.

>>76540790
In theory yes, in practice no

>>76539795
Thank you!

>>76540719
That guy was paid by Coca-Cola to claim he lost weight eating sugar. He never disclosed his funding.

CICO is a hoax used to trick people into eating sugar.

If you never eat slop you won’t have any immunity built up. That’s why I eat it sometimes. I have a built up slop immunity so that it can’t hurt me in moderation.

>>76540748
I know what you mean as someone who was on here an eternity ago. Keto did mean high protein to me too. The clinical ketogenic diet that was used for epilepsy is an entirely different thing from the gym bro concept of the keto diet. Ignore the newfags trying to argue

>>76541238
>everything I don't like is fake
ketocope

>>76541332
>when I said "keto" I didn't mean "keto" (the historical documented version), but rather "keto" (my head canon)

>>76541472
Rigidly and autistically using language like that is gay and faggy

In kcal 1kg of watermelon is equal 70gr of nutella croissant