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>/iemg/ told me $20 IEMs sound better than any headphones
/iemg/ is a chinese shill zone. Do not take anything they say seriously.

>Headphone Power Calculator
https://www.headphonesty.com/headphone-power-calculator/

>The King:
Argon-modded Fostex T50RP MK3 ($295)

>Sub-$99 (poor filth)
• Philips SHP9500 / SHP9600
• Audio-Technica ATH-M40x
• Shure SRH440
• Fostex TH7
• Used Sony MDR-7506

>$150~$250
• AKG K371
• AKG K612 Pro
• Phillips Fidelio X2HR
• Sennheiser HD6XX (amp required)
• Shure SRH840
• Fostex T50RP MK3 (mod-friendly) (amp required)

>$300-$500
• Audio Technica ATH-R70x (amp required)
• Drop + Dan Clark Audio Aeon Closed/Open
• Audeze Maxwell (Gaming Headset, but unironically good)
• FiiO FT3
• Used/Discounted Focal Clear OG (not Mg)
• Sennheiser HD600 (amp required)
• Fostex T60RP (mod-friendly) (amp required)


>Recommended DAC/amp:
• JCally JM20 / Any dongle/miniDAC with an AK4377 or CS43131 chip
• JDS Atom - $99
• FiiO K7 - $200
• RME ADI-2 (many DSP features) - $1200

Measurements and recommended information(tentative):
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Previous thread: >>96966086

Has anything interesting happened in the headphone scene lately? Any good new pairs come out?

best wireless headphones for gaming (low latency ) for $70?

>>105983573 (OP)
don't slander tomoe san's appearance with this AI garbage
fuck you OP

>>105983573 (OP)
any dt 770 pro x non-LE frequency response graph/proper review yet?

>>105983615
You are mad.

>>105983820
yes nigger at you fagot kill yourslef

>>105983615
>>105983832
>being this dense and butt hurt
Kek!

>>105983820
He's actually "butt hurt"! That's the correct terminology!

>>105983864
kill youyrsejlf i hat eyou faggot

>>105983598
the only recent improvement i see is that they figured out how to have bass in openback dd (senn hd490 pro, sony mdr mv1, fiio ft3)

>>105983832
>>105983870
Good. It is good that you are mad.

>>105983598
no, but we have more chink planar slope now like fiio ft1 pro, moondrop para 2, and new hifimans (HE600, successor to the HE6, etc..)

and closed back fiio ft1 is the default recc now

Why does the OP say that an amp is required for the HD600 when it works fine with an apple dongle?

>>105983953
might work fine for you, but you won't be getting the best out of it. You need proper ac power to bring out the bass to it's potential

>>105983573 (OP)

>>105983573 (OP)

Any good headphones yet.

Good to see someone make a /hpg/ with the advice guide back, some of those other threads get too cancerous with 3rd worlders and poorfags asking for sub $200 trash. Also, no beyers remorse in the op is based as always.
I've added an inch and a half of foam to each of my aeons to further add comfort to the headband after it got pretty stiff and it's pretty nice. Feels like my head is just covered in a massive pillow.
I also used a non oem hd 800 headband pad for about a month and it was so cancerous, finally getting an oem tomorrow and if i remember i'll post the comparisons between them

all you ever need really

>>105983573 (OP)
>no DT990 PRO 250ohm

Why? I bought some 2 years ago along with a decent amp to drive them and they've been amazing. I use them for mastering audio tracks for videos I release. It's a massive improvement over what I had before and I can't see how anything could be much better.

>>105983920
>HE600
I didn't know this existed
at first glance, the no cup swivel Hifiman curse seems to persist
is the driver close enough to HE6/HE6se's at least?

>>105985678
total ear rape levels of treble and just a cancerous tuning over all, like everything beyer makes for whatever reason. Demo some other headphones if you get the chance, the op guide is quite good, the aeon and the 6xx or the 600 line in general is a good place to start as a field of reference. Some people just like bright headphones, but beyers shit is just ear rape amounts of it

>>105983920
I had fiio ft1 and it has a plastic panel holding the headband adjustment just fall off, like the chick factory just melted the plastic while screwing it on

it got repaired for free but the quality control is cheap china tier

>>105985746
I have to disagree. They aren't bass heavy but I get plenty of bass out of mine and I like being able to hear the highs. I've heard stuff in music that I didn't know was there on the high end thanks to these. On my other sets of headphones they are inaudible or drowned out by bass. I also like the fact that they're open headphones. All my other headphones are closed cups. I like being able to hear what's around me when I have the volume down and the sound feels like it's coming from further away (outside of the headphones if that makes sense).

I was just curious why they weren't mentioned at all because I like mine and I've seen good reviews for them. I talked to a couple of people that master audio tracks like I do and they all suggested them in the price range I was looking to buy something in ($200-$250 was my budget).

Maybe when I can afford $1k+ headphones I'll think about buying something else.

All I know is everything I master sounds good on these and everything else when I check the results on those. I have another pair of cheaper headphones, some cheap PC speakers, and a pretty good set of studio monitors.

I just thought it odd they weren't mentioned at all but I guess this is more of an audiophile list than a list of things for work. If you're happy with what you have then I'm happy for you.

>>105985782
to be clear it's not my op list, i was replying to why you won't see anyone mention the dt 990 in any high regard or beyers stuff in general.
>I also like the fact that they're open headphones.
the other ones i mentioned are also open backs, although there are some pretty unbelievable closed backs if you are just primarily focused on mastering audio. The ether cx instrument separation is pretty much unmatched, at least from everything i've tried including the hd 800. The ether cx sell used on egay for 300-400 usd so pretty much nothing does what they do for the price, i'd buy some if i didn't already have both aeons but i owned them in the past.
>They aren't bass heavy but I get plenty of bass out of mine
getting quality bass below decent planars is pretty challenging, and it's not even usually spoken about because of how horrible the quality, not amount of bass is. It's hyper noticeable if you a/b any dd below a certain cost unfortunately

>>105985746
>>105985782
I just realized another reason why I like the DT990 Pros. They're very comfy. I can have them on my head/ears for hours and hours without them bothering me or getting the ear sweat. The other headphones I have are too heavy and the cups ride on the ears a bit. They're also closed cups so your ears get sweaty. If I wear those for more than about an hour it can sometimes get painful and always gets annoying.

The DT990s have these large ear cups that don't touch my ears. They don't bother them at all and I guess they're more comfy because they're open so that prevents sweat. The way they sit on my head is the perfect fit for me. I wouldn't buy another set of headphones unless they felt like these do. The ear cup pads also feel like they're made from better material than most other headphones I've owned. I had to replace those twice on the other set because they fell apart after a few years of use.

>>105985832
I was just making sure I didn't get ripped off. I'm happy so I guess it doesn't matter. Is this a case of mainstream places liking something but that thing is hated once you get beyond the surface level of the hobby? Seems that way.

I avoided the closed cups because I was told open ones were better for mastering audio. I'm not that far along in producing my own music yet. But everything I've made I've gotten good feedback on so far.

I don't really have places near by where I can just try things like that. So I had to rely on friends+online reviews to decide when I was looking at buying things in my budget range. These were pretty much what everyone suggested other than a lower cost set of closed headphones. But I couldn't get those in 250ohm. Plus these were on sale for like 40% off the normal price when I was shopping for a set.

At least they've given me more enjoyment out of my collection of FLAC files I guess. I really like them but perhaps my ears are shot and the quality doesn't matter that much for me anymore.

>>105985857
>I was just making sure I didn't get ripped off. I'm happy so I guess it doesn't matter. Is this a case of mainstream places liking something but that thing is hated once you get beyond the surface level of the hobby? Seems that way.
Probably, atthough there are layers to everything I suppose. Normalfags still think airpods and xm6/whatever trash anc is out there is peak audio. I think most people who are very into audio are going to hate more things in the tier the dt 990 is in, but beyers in general are so cancerously tuned that even people in that tier aren't usually going to like them. But as a general rule, if you like something and see nothing wrong with it you shouldn't feel compelled to waste time or money doing so, there are tons of other hobbyist things i don't care about and won't ever feel the need to venture in.
>I really like them but perhaps my ears are shot and the quality doesn't matter that much for me anymore.
don't feel the need to put yourself down anon. We all have our preferences, I am just a retard who can't find anything he likes enough to stick to one thing, maybe one day that will change. I think i'm on my 6th set of speakers and some cringe number of headphones

>>105985899
Yeah you're like me and small engines then. I constantly buy shit looking for something better than move on to the next thing quickly.

I wasn't putting myself down I was just stating facts. I've worked around loud stuff all of my life and I've noticed the decline. For the longest time I refused to wear ear plugs while working around that stuff too. I also didn't wear them until recently when practicing my /k/ hobbies. Those people claim you need ear plugs for .22lr but I shoot 9mm, .45 and 5.56mm all of the time without hearing protection because it just isn't an option for how I live day-to-day. I can stop to put in ear plugs every time I need to shoot something. I can't keep ear plugs in while I'm carrying the rifle because I need to hear. Catch-22 I guess.

Have you tried the DT990s yourself? If not I encourage you to do it if you get a chance. You might be surprised. I wish speakers and headphones were subjected to blind testing like codecs are. Would be interesting to see the results.

Any objectively better headphones than the Arya Stealth before I buy chifi? (around the same price).
Looking at STAX right now just because

(Protip to my eu bros you have a 2 year warranty on goods purchased I just got an amazon refund for the driver failing)

>>105985976
>Have you tried the DT990s yourself?
No, I own the dt 770 pro 80 ohm and have owned the dt 880 twice. I pretty much only buy headphones used or warehouse deals/price erros where i can scam amazon for even more money off, I'll do that with dt 990s if I get the chance. I just had such negative experiences with the three pairs i've owned the general quality vs other things that i'm always going to bias against beyers in general, especially now that they are owned by the chinks

>>105986105
I wasn't aware they were owned by chinks. So they're coasting on reputation I guess? What's your opinion on 80 vs 250ohms? This was my first set of headphones that wasn't 80ohms. The only downside I see is the fact that I need an amp to drive them. I don't know if the sound quality is really better with high ohm vs. standard ohm. But so far I'm happy.

I hope I'm around whenever you get a pair and test them out. I'm interested to know how someone that's tried a lot of different stuff feels about them.

Thanks.

>>105986132
>I wasn't aware they were owned by chinks.
It happened last month, so I don't think anything is different or affected yet, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out
>What's your opinion on 80 vs 250ohms?
depends on how sensitive headphones are really, the 80 ohms dt 770 use barely any power and don't even need gain switched on for the o2 amp which isn't the most overpowered amp out there to begin with so i think for a lot of people that is probably quite nice. Amps in general seem to gatekeep people away from the hobby because of delusions of insane people who spend $500 on amps for $200 headphones. My hd 800 and 6xx are 300 ohm and the 800 definitely feels like it needs more power than the 6xx, which i think a lot of people could get away ampless if they stopped using shit like youtube that's insanely quiet half the time for whatever reason, and had proper replay gain on foobar

>>105986189
Yeah I spent a lot of time fucking around with various settings in foobar and the various terminal applications I use to access mpd. Took awhile to get things where I wanted them. I'm driving these from a cheapish audio interface and it does pretty well. I don't have to max out the volume+gain to drive them. They work well for when I want to play guitar at least.

I've thought about trying to start a small company that produces amps. It seems like audiophiles are willing to pay stupid money for something you can throw together for $50 in parts. Put them in a nice looking case and they'll pay $500 for it.

Lots of snake oil in this hobby. Why I stopped taking it serious a long time ago when I got out of car audio. I used to be into car audio really heavy and ruined more than a few cars with sub woofers. Now I just use stock radios because I got tired of chasing down rattles and tightening nuts every week. Plus some jackass would always manage to blow the speakers in my setup when I wasn't paying attention. I also felt like an asshole whenever I rode around in public and didn't hear a cop running lights coming up behind me more than once. Happy I'm not throwing money into that pit anymore.

>>105986251
>I've thought about trying to start a small company that produces amps
Theres definitely a market for it, especially with dog shit niggers like schiit still being around while scamming people for years,lying about every single thing they make and still to this day having such low quality parts that they have channel imbalance on basically everything. My magni 3 is pretty much dead in 1 channel unless i fuck with the pot for 5 mins. OTL tube amps fetch some outrageous prices for what they are and pretty much without exception have been all terrible and still sold way past their quality, the valhalla 2 literally running at 100% power no matter what the volume knobs at, the dark voice catching fire and being built as cheap as humanly possible, it's just a void to be filled by someone. Not to mention some other amps of note, not otl or tube were also fucking horrible like the thx 889 that pretty much died for no reason constantly, and last i checked had more for parts models for sale on ebay than working, mine had a short that thankfully i noticed on first week of using
The o2 amp story if worth reading about if you want to see how trash amps were in the early 2010s and how hard schiit got btfod for being lying niggers.

>>105986288
I'll check out the story you mentioned. If you're willing what do you think a good amp looks like? Both on the high end and mid-range/entry level price points.

I figured if you made amps and were actually an honest company with real human support people would buy them and shill them for you for free. The market looks horrible the last time I looked at it which is why I just went ahead and bought this audio interface instead.

I figured you could start up a company selling amps only because those are easy to assemble. Then once you have some business coming in you could move on to speakers and everything else.

>>105986317
>what do you think a good amp looks like? Both on the high end and mid-range/entry level price points.
I know less about amps than a lot of people, but the general point of them should always just be simple, especially the entry level ones. No audible noise like the magni 3 had, quiet and to the point like the o2 was, simple volume knob that doesn't have channel imbalance and if you want to get bonus points maybe some kind of feedback on it as you turn it, but maybe that's pushing it entry, on medium amps i could see that being something people would like a lot, considering especially the amount of autists here
high end is another topic because so much of the amps get into such pointless things so i wont comment on that stuff, i'm not even fully sure what the point of most of it is, although the displays they have are quite nice, even if they don't tend to serve much actual use

Theres probably something to the coloring and aesthetic, especially to normal fags. i've always thought that's how schiit got away with being total trash for so long, they were one of the only ones putting out silver gear that looked quite ok, at least in stock images and had the naming scheme down quite well especially to larping reddit pagans. I mean if they can some how sell stereo amps for $500+ dollars when used good stereo amps from the 70/80/90s go for like free-$300 and weigh in some cases 50+ lbs of pure power i don't know what to say

>>105986361
I don't understand the high end either. I figure that's for two types of people: Stupid people and people with lots of money to throw around. If they're both all the better.

The audio interface I bought had a nice little screen on it with feedback. It is very nice and I don't know why more stuff doesn't include one now that it's so cheap to include one. I didn't fall for the schiit hype despite it coming up very often when I was searching around.

I think you're right the look of an amp has a lot to do with it. That's probably why those tube amps sell so well. People go for the aesthetic more than they care about quality. They want to show off what they've purchased to other people because they still have high school mentality. Most normalfags I know are still in that type of mindset. They want to appear to be cool and they want things that look cool.

My thoughts was to do this: Do a wooden case like late 70s/early 80s aesthetic. No one really offers that anymore. Have buttons and knobs that are heavy and feel like they're high quality. Have some kind of mascot for both branding and for people to make OC of. Maybe an anime girl or chibi animal. Basically, do what the Japanese do with everything. Offer a metal case for those that prefer that to wood. Offer a tube version for people that want it. Decent hardware inside with attention to detail so nothing low quality gets shipped out. Maybe even hand assemble them for each order on the high end so you know someone that gave a shit actually put the thing together and tested it before it shipped out.

I think people would be willing to pay a little more to know they weren't getting some chink shit assembled by a slave. But I can't tell with normalfags. They do a lot of dumb shit and don't seem to know anything about what they're buying. You'd think they'd do more research but perhaps they fall for the fake reviews and scams. I guess they do otherwise people wouldn't post them.

>>105986456
>Have some kind of mascot for both branding and for people to make OC of. Maybe an anime girl or chibi animal.
That worked for iem fags, iems were around for decades but only became popular when they did that level of pandering. You'd probably run into a problem catering to high end autists if you did that though, considering the biggest audiophiles are older but then again that market might be something different entirely
>Do a wooden case like late 70s/early 80s aesthetic.
theres definitely something there, especially with zoomies and gen m being ikea obsessed with nuwood and aethetic trash, but the god tier wooden amps of the 70s/80s were so kino that either way makes a lot of sense
>Have buttons and knobs that are heavy and feel like they're high quality.
definitely a very valuable thing, considering how badly current ones are done and as i said before there is probably an insane amount of literal autists who love tactile feedback, me included. Throw that on any amplifier and it's going to do incredibly well
even basic things like different led colors probably go a long way honestly, tons of retro era amps with green backlighting instead of classic back/white were insanely beautiful. Just having the o2 amp with a green led instead of red would of probably made people buy it more

>>105986519
here is the most hyper kino amp i have ever seen
One day

>>105986630
and a headphone amp
god i love these things so much, i could look at them all day

>>105986643

>>105986519
I figure for your high end model you could always tone it down a bit of make it look more professional. Maybe your regular model has cute girl in seifuku and your high end model is her Onee-chan with glasses in business suit or lab coat giving off the air of being a engineer or something. That or a tasteful logo using the shape of your usual mascot. In my experience people into high end stuff aren't really turned off by such things as long as they aren't comically done.
>wooden cases
I didn't know they were becoming a fad again. I have a bunch of that old school real wood and imitation wood stuff. Wood always seemed like a better material than low quality metal. On the high end you could go on and on about how they're hand crafted one off pieces. Even though they're easy to churn out for anyone that's done basic wood working. You could make sure they're sanded real smooth and have a nice stain on them.
>definitely a very valuable thing, considering how badly current ones are done
I got burned on this with my current audio interface. The buttons are cheap and one of them never functions correctly out of the box. The led behind it doesn't light up when it's activated. I can make it work if I fiddle with it and the other port's button works fine. I didn't want to spend the money and wait to ship it back for another one because aside from that everything worked fine. The knobs feel much better but I can tell they're not expensive or anything. They're just low quality metal but when so much plastic shit on the market now they feel very good by comparison. Another thing is switches. No one has heavy duty switches anymore.

I love the old green backlighting stuff too. I don't understand why no one does anything tasteful anymore. It's either bright as hell LEDs shoved in places they don't belong or everything being done on the cheap to the point it feels like a kids toy. It's like they fired everyone that had an eye for design and quality.

>>105986519
>an insane amount of literal autists who love tactile feedback
I one of these people. I miss the feedback you got from older 70s-90s era hardware. The switches felt heavy. The knobs felt sturdy and they can both audible and tactile clicks. The buttons on a lot of my old analog stuff are so hard to push it takes actual effort and sometimes gave a loud pop when they were activated. I have an old coax box for hooking up multiple sources to a TV that's like that. It has those really old school heavy buttons that PING when pushed and forcefully deactivate the other source when you choose a different one. Made out of wood with steel front and back of course. Even the plastic feels like metal it's so thick.

A lot of people these days pretend this isn't true but things were just made so much better back in the day. Stuff was built to last. I can tell a huge difference between hardware my Dad bought in the 70s-80s and the stuff I bought in the 90s. It's no comparison when it comes to the difference in our hifi stereos. His is all metal with tasteful woodgrain and high quality hardware. My stuff is from the all black plastic era. Even though my stuff is technically supposed to be better the difference in build quality is massive. Plus those old analog meters backlit by old school bulbs put off a much different atheistic than my little digital screen with blocks or lines jumping up and down and numbers giving you playback status. His record player is also much much nicer.

Going further back my Great-Grandfather was really into music in his day. He had several of those stereo systems that look like furniture. They're awesome. We still have both of them and they still work fine. Record player and all hidden away inside of what looks like a large chest of drawers or table. The only downside is they weren't designed with hooking up stuff with aux in mind. Since nothing but LPs existed when they were first purchased. He had massive stereo and grandfather clock autism

>>105985697
is there a gallery for these images?

>>105983628
so still no? what the fuck

>>105988072
Not sure but I know I have a few of them with different album art so I'm sure templates for them exist somewhere out there.

Anybody have recs for headphones I can use in the $250 budget range? Last real set I owned were Ultrasones that pooped out after 4 years of heavy use. Mainly intended for desktop audio and outdoor walks. Don't have an AMP or DAC. Most music I listen to is trance, DnB/Electro, ambient, synthpop, oldies, bossa nova, and classical.

tldr:
I need a cheap basic USB2 dongle that can drive 250ohm DT770s.

details:
I have 250ohm DT770s. I run them from my desktop's front audio port which works fine.
I want to move to a two-PC setup (work and personal). Instead of a traditional KVM, I plan to just run two cables to each monitor and use a dirt-cheap USB2 switcher thingy to swap my keyboard and mouse.
To switch my headphones, I think the easiest way would be to use a USB2 DAC dongle and include it in the set of things to be switched.
What do I need? I'm hoping something really basic like pic related is enough, I don't need/want audiophile grade gear. Just needs to be loud and enough and no hiss basically.

>>105989454
apple dongle 1v

>>105990115
I'm in Euroland so I don't think I can easily buy the 1v version.

>>105989454
literally read the op retard
and get it from aliexpress, unless you like getting robbed by dropshippers on scamazon

>>105983573 (OP)
>Fostex TH7
These are showing as being discontinued and out of stock. Is there something similar?

new retard to this thread, in search of at most $200 USD over ear wireless (not bluetooth) PC headset with mic, with this budget I do want pretty good audio but not fancy audiophile shit (and the wireless stipulation also probably limits audio quality). past two of mine were the Logitech G535 (not too bad but has started to get a lot of bad audio crunching lately and in general the short delay to start playing audio kinda sucks) and the Hyper X Cloud Alpha (which seemed great until it turned out that leaving them on when the PC enters sleep mode can apparently kill it into an unrecoverable state). the latter though while it was working didn't have any of the sudden audio crunching issues and definitely didn't have the delay to start playing audio, so I'm hoping to find a headset that has neither the G535 issues nor the whole issue of easily dying from such a simple scenario of the PC going to sleep while the headset's on

My ChiFi set up, need to 3d print a headband strap though, there's not much padding on the headband. They sound nice but I'm a casual, I've never been too into sound quality so I probably would have been better off getting something more convenient with Bluetooth. I saw a used Focal Bathys for 300bux, that would probably have been nice

>>105990708
ask them if they'll send to where you are

https://addictedtoaudio.com.au/products/fostex-th7-closed-back-headphones

my JVC HA-RX700 that i bought after reading a /g/ guide have finally broke after 10 years

is there another $50 dollar headphone thats better than it? i everything recommended is $100+ now. i would have assumed something else would be better than these by now

>>105992254
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/192673883500

>>105992437
yeah i was planning on buying them again. amazon has em for 50 bucks too. im just surprised theres no new chinese crap thats better than these 10 year old headphones

>>105992459
technology has progressed but inflation is a bitch.
honestly, for sub 70, if you want peak price to performance, i hate to say this, but iem's really is the best way to go. upwards of that, you can get some really banging full sized headphones, but build quality and qc is going to be an issue. though if you're willing to get used, and you're handy, you can get some really great deals

I got my hd 800 replacement headband pad, and holy shit the chink ones were so low quality compared to the oem. I can actually wear these now without them feeling like they will fall off my head or skull raping me. God bless Alcantara.
>>105991563
you can always cut a piece of sound foam or egg shell foam and tape/adhesive/hold it in place with a bandana if you need more padding. I did that with my aeons and it made them a lot more comfortable, only took like 5 mins to do.

>>105983598

are you interested in magnetostats

>>105983573 (OP)
I hate the hd800s and the expensive focal headphones, they are a huge waste of money and sound terrible.

>>105992459
Philips 9600 you don’t need more

>>105989448
Okay so you’re a bass junkie you should look at orthodynamics

>>105993554
i have the perfect headphone for people like you

I've had DT 770 pro 80 for a few years now and the earpads are starting to fall apart so I'm thinking about using that as an excuse to buy something else entirely. I honestly never liked the sound of these headphones, it sounds clear but not pleasant, and some trebles were almost painful at times and I don't really want to have to fiddle with EQ because I can never settle on anything.
Before that I had some pretty cheap sennheisers, HD558 I believe. Those were fine I guess but I don't think I can go back to open back headphones again, I've become so aware of all the ambient noise around me now after using closed back.

My budget would be in the 150-300 bucks range, ideally towards the lower end but I would consider paying more for something long lasting with good value.
And I'm not interested in IEMs due to comfort during prolonged use.
Any recommendations? I'm in europe if that matters.

>>105993592
Those are even worse. I don’t like shit mids so this is your solution? What a faggot

>>105993599
I don’t know a single great closed back sorry, i can’t stand bass resonance

>>105993600
>Those are even worse. I don’t like shit mids so this is your solution? What a faggot
yeah im mocking you for being a retard and posting vague statements that can only be perceived as bait or low effort
>>105993599
maybe see if you can find a used pair of closed back aeons, pretty neutral tuning and pretty much the only non trash closed back under $500 unfortunately

>>105993615
I suppose I'm open to recommendations for open backs as well if it sounds tempting enough. When I first switched to closed back it took a while to get used to, so maybe I can go back to open and get used to it again also.

>>105993641
Hd800s and focal are shit deal with it

>>105993645
sennheiser hd 600/650 are about as good as tuning gets, aside from bass problems most dd headphones have they do everything else very well and no one is going to find their treble fatiguring or piercing.The r70x is also an option if you want to have some actual soundstage, but it's very dependant on the individual if they will like the headband, and the r70xa has made the original go on massive discounts, so there could be something there as well.
>>105993662
are the hd 800 and unnamed focal in this room with us now?

>>105993645
I have no the the aeon flow open and closed both are pretty decent. The closed don’t have the best noise isolation but they are one of the few closed backs that I don’t hate.

>>105993672
I haven’t tried every focal headphone but I didn’t even like the clears which are the ones closest to what I like in a headphone. I can’t believe you faggots can’t use your own ears and rely on cults of retards on the internet to tell you what’s good

I will not be creating a headphone counterpart to the EQ guide I did for IEMs.
I will instead recommend the Dale articles which can be found in the first page of the guide.
If you have any question regarding EQ for headphones, ask them here.

>>105993695
there is no need to act so hostile anon, you get what you put out in the world. Anyways focal are garbage and they snap for no reason and they don't warranty anything so you don't need to care about them anyways. The hd 800 isn't going to be liked by most people because it's too analytical and the majority of people are going to prefer some different tuning planar. I like my HD 800, so i'm not referencing some reviewer for it, i still use my aeons for other things

>>105993722
“Too analytical” no it’s artificially boosted in the upper mids and I hate that, even amps that are a good match with it can’t tame it enough for my liking. More like deaf people who have no sensitivity in their hearing in that range like those headphones, 65 year old boomers come to mind.

>>105993722
>>105993739
Me again I like the hd600/650 but sennheiser went downhill before they released the 800s

>>105993739
have you tried eqing? peace+eq apo works well and takes about 2 mins to set up. Maybe try something from auduze, they are known for being dark. Just avoid any models that use wood as it was known to break

>>105993752
You’re right

>>105993748
>Me again I like the hd600/650 but sennheiser went downhill before they released the 800s
it will probably get worse now that the gypsy factories are opening. I've never used the hd 800s as i got a relatively early sn hd 800 model for a lot cheaper than anything new was, at least some of the new models they released were interesting like the hd505/hd 490, but all the r&d was probably done long before they were sold

>>105993641
The used gear market is virtually non-existent around me unfortunately, and 500 is definitely more than I'd feel comfortable paying unless it's like a life changing experience.
>>105993672
Thanks, I'll look into those. They seem relatively pricey though. I guess I was hoping for some cheap underdog headphones that give you a really good bang for your buck, but not TOO cheap.

>>105993855
the best deals in audio are all from america unfortunately, the 6xx is just an undercutting of the 650 to preserve name value but basically sells it permanently on sale, the 600/650 sometimes do go on sale on things like black friday. Sort of same story with aeons. There is also the hd 560s which is on sale 90% of the year, the 599 which goes on sale 4 or 5 times a year and has a case for being one of the most comfortable headphones out there. The 560s is more clampy but probably not as bad as your beyers already are. Really any of them would do fine for most people, it's worth demoing them if you live near a shop that does that

I'm listening to my Clears right now and I can tell you for a fact they sound amazing. No broken headband after two years either.

>>105994268
tyll loved the clear og's as well, but the snapping was so common and focal refused to warranty a single headphone. It wasn't just the clars ether they refused to fix the headband on a bunch of models. We can probably do without the AI slop anon

>>105985678
>Why?
You cannot expect any sane person to tolerate that treble.

>>105994339
kek what an image, disregard my prior request

i feel robbed that there isn't an ai slop image of the dt 770 with the same face as the other one

>>105993672
>one is going to find their treble fatiguring or piercing
I do
Not as bad as most headphones but I must have lost the HRTF lottery because they're still bright and sibilant

>>105994614
>I do
interesting, have you tried any truly bright headphones like the k701 or the dt 770/990? Those must be torture, even more so than normal. I'm so sure to bright headphones that using my 6xx on occassion is so laid back, but i would be curious to unit variation on some of these things, although you would be the first person i've seen talk about treble irritation from the 600 line

>>105994737
>I'm so sure to bright headphones
I'm so use to bright headphones* whoops.

>>105994737
K702 isn’t truly a bright headphone. Some of the early 701s were kinda bright but not really that bright.
They are decent but not my favorite headphones worth trying I would say because I really liked them at first.

>>105994737
Hd600 is only bright in the sense that the bass is sort of shelved down a bit
I would say over all the treble is slightly vailed as in it hangs back in the mix a little bit

>>105994819
the k702s i had were the brighest headphone i ever heard, but looking at the graph it's possible the unit i had was defective. They were brighter than my dt 770 by a landslide and made my aeons feel dark, interesting
>They are decent but not my favorite headphones worth trying I would say because I really liked them at first.
qa control of them is so bad that it's not even worth mentioning them anymore unless someone wants cheap soundstage. The bands get all messed up, the driver opposite of the cable input gets unsoldered for whatever reason, it's a shame really. At some point i was going to get some k701 made in austrian's to mod but i got disenchanted by the k702s i had

>>105994845
Q701 was one of my favorite headphones, the soundstage was insane and there were a couple times when I used them when a tabbed website unexpectedly started some bullshit auto-play audio ad and I genuinely thought someone was in the room talking to me. I was living in an apartment at the time and I thought someone had walked into my unit behind me and reflexively did a shoulder check. I've never had that experience with any other setup.

I just couldn't get over AKG's stupid bullshit like the horrible build choices with obvious points of failure (which predictably failed) or things like the headband bumps. When mine broke I switched to the 6xx which I've now been using for 7 years.

>>105994947
giga soundstage is so fun, it's the hardest thing to get use whenever i swap back to my aeons from my hd 800's. I got pretty lucky finding mirage omni 550's which have an interesting take on trying to add soundstage. It's a shame that companies like akg refuse to fix their problems, seeing the market with made in austrian k701/2 back and fixing the design flaws would of been great for the market. Pretty much nothing has good soundstage in that price. Maybe that's just a fools dream considering even sennheiser is moving factories to romania and most of their stuff hasn't been made in germany for quite some time

>>105994737
Yes, grado sr80's are truly unusable tinnitus generators.
DT 770's are severely piercing and akg k712 pro's are also very sharp, all unusable without EQ unlike the hd600's which I find to be bright but tolerable

It’s so weird how closed back headphones are so rare these days. When you think of headphones, you think of isolating sound. So why are headphones in the 2020s all obsessed with being open like speakers? When are we getting closed headphones again?

>>105995541
Have you seen the explosion of ANC wireless headphones? Closed headphones are more popular than ever, albeit it the non audiophile kind.
For everything else theres the DT770 and HD25

>>105995541
The only relevant new closed back is the FT1. The only advantage of closed backs is their isolation, apart from that they come with so many disadvantages and complications that creating one purely for the audiophile space is not ideal.
For ANC on the other hand, closed back designs are mandatory for the best results.

>>105995020
Were 6XX phones ever made in germoney?
I thought it was ireland b4 romania

>>105995599
I don't think so, but the hd 800 were made in germany and now they are made in ireland. I'm not sure how much it effected qa, probably less than the drop from ireland - romania, although the hd 800s had more people ripping out the sockets when they took out the cables

>>105983920
>and closed back fiio ft1 is the default recc now
I wish I personally knew someone who owned those. The online opinions about them are worthless since the shilling has gotten completely out of control

>>105996214
>the shilling has gotten completely out of control
they were shilled before they even came out, even here. Can't really blame the chinks at this point, it clearly works, especially with how everyone on nigger websites like reddit endlessly regurgitate what others say. It wasn't a good sign that the fucking drivers were falling off in the first few weeks.

>>105985746
>>105994339
NTA but this is where you made the cardinal mistake, kiddo.
Your graph is how any of 770/880/990 lineup sounds with improper (insufficient) amplification. It makes them distorted and peaky in the highs.
As soon as you plug them into high output. high Vp-p AMP their frequency changes to pic related (they also become sub-bass monsters, especially the 770s). This applies to 80ohm variants of that lineup too so you cannot get away that issue.
It has to do with their drivers horrendous avg. 90-94dB/mW insensitivity combined with uneven sudden sensitivity changes through their frequency line.
You either get a powerful amp for them, or you don't buy beyers at all, that is how it is.

Btw non-harman AKGs (550, 612, 701/702/712) suffer from the exactly same problem, but even more severe in it's audio side effects.
t. long time AKG user.

>>105996368
>NTA but this is where you made the cardinal mistake, kiddo.
i was using the dt 770 with an amp, the problem is still there, i have a few amps but nothing of unbelievable power and it's also not even relevant if it were true because no one buying the dt 770/880/990 is someone who is willing to spend a bunch of on audio in general, or they would look at something better

>>105996368
You're confusing high power with high output impedance. A low output impedance amp, no matter how powerful, will still make them ear rape garbage(their true sound). An in-line resistor will boost their midbass and upper treble, no matter how weak the amp is. You can see what's going to be boosted by looking at the impedance graph of the headphones.

>>105996368
Also you're posting a graph from a non-standard rig, it doesn't mean anything.

>>105996389
>i was using the dt 770 with an amp, the problem is still there
Most of the cheap amps are a scam that can barely output something like 80-100mW into 50ohm, 40-50mW 100ohm and so on.
For reference I've got an amp that does 500mW into 100ohm, 150mW into 300ohm, and guess what - I had DT770s for two weeks and they did sound good on it, but not my cup of tea, too bassy.

>also not even relevant if it were true because no one buying the dt 770/880/990 is someone who is willing to spend a bunch of on audio in general
????
In yuroop they cost 170$+, aka premium audio oligarch tier product. No one here buys them to connect to their integrated audio mobo/laptops output directly. You buy a product for this much then you have to drop 50-100$ on an AMP or a combo DAC/AMP device.
A total chinkshit 55$ fx audio dac6 mkII has more than enough beef to drive that shit, but many scam-tier 100$ from "reputable brands" don't and you probably fell for them (low end topping/smsl's - they don't start packing proper power output until you drop like 200$ on them, prodigy, schiit, ALL of the phone USB dongle DACs).
You have to know what you are buying instead of being 89IQ subhuman purchasing shit blindly.

>>105996488
are you baiting or just a schizo? i told myself i would not deal with another schizo in these threads again and will hold myself to that standard

>>105996420
>>105996438
>impedance
Nope, you completely missed the mark, that only plays in case of source<->headphone impedance mismatch. I am talking strictly on power input behavior. You will reproduce the ASS * EAR RAPE sound if you run the amp in IEM super low gain mode and up the system volume+knob your way up to listening volume levels.

>Also you're posting a graph from a non-standard rig, it doesn't mean anything.
It means everything because all other high power, INCLUDING CRINACLE (the man of industry standards top tier measurements), frequency measurements display same behavior as it did in my last pic. Also about it - RAA is actually a quite old now lab that manufacturers more often than not were sending headphones for second hand test. They don't review how things sound aka not a sales pitch paid reviews, they only do lab level tests.

https://crinacle.com/graphs/headphones/beyerdynamic-dt990-pro/
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/beyerdynamic/dt-990-pro#test_32250
https://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/beyerdynamic-dt-990-pro-250.php#gsc.tab=0

>>105996518
Are scientific frequency measurements unbelievable flateather schizo shit to you? Then anon... you are a retard.

>>105994339
>all about the bass that bass no treble!

>>105996603
you come into the threads calling people kiddos, post a bunch of retarded trash and make a bunch of claims that are clearly retarded if you read through the entire thread. The second you see a claim that goes against what you said you make the claim i own chinese amplifiers, which i don't and even more retarded claims like the $170 tier is high end or seen as expensive. What fucking 3rd world hell hole do you live in? Add ontop of it, without knowing a single thing i own i'm now 89 iq because i own some imaginary amplifier and headphone, great.

>>105996603
>Nope, you completely missed the mark
You literally don't know how this works. Amp power doesn't affect the frequency response whatsover. Add a resistor to this exact amp amp and you'll get a frequency response effect you're talking about. Here's a 1mW amp that boosts bass.

This thread is proof audiophiles will argue about anything to justify spending $2k+ on fucking headphones of all things. I spent $200 on headphones+amp. All the eurobeat and the Heaven's Gate Cult Initiation Tape I'm watching right now with them sounds amazing.

>>105996629
Again, you are talking about the case where sound is changed due to impedance mismatch, aka on a high impedance output source.
I am talking about insufficient power output from sources that are already low impedance, like the onboard desktop/laptop realtek headphone outs (about 10ohm on those) OR low power output AMPs/combo DAC/AMPs (1ohm~0.1ohm).
Learn to read you vile turd.

>>105996664
You're saying a high power amp boosts bass. This doesn't exist. Repeating it for the third time since you clearly can't read. And mobos often have high output impedance which DOES boost the bass so even your example is wrong.

>>105996653
>his thread is proof audiophiles will argue about anything to justify spending $2k+ on fucking headphones of all things. I spent $200 on headphones+amp.
short of price errors, or luck on used goods there are good headphone+amp pairings at $200. If you want bang for your buck and are poor or don't care about headphones you should get speakers where 100$ actually goes an insanely long way, especially for media consumption. I got paradigm monitor 7's with a sub for less than that, and two sets of mirage speakers for less than 200$ total for the 3 sets. Whether anything past the aeon is worth buying ($500) is another topic entirely. although you don't have to care about every hobbyist thing as what i said applies to most 'hobbies' around buying products.

>>105996683
>short of price errors, or luck on used goods there are good headphone+amp pairings at $200.
there are no good pairings*
whatever

>>105996679
>You're saying a high power amp boosts bass.
It's the opposite.
If high bass headphones have shit ass power efficiency (80~95dB/mW range), like the DT770s do, then the bass on them will be completely GONE when you connect them to power output that cannot deliver any power for shit. Not to mention what ear grating experience the treble becomes on such.

YOU BOTH see it in frequency measurements done on different sources, as well as can fucking test yourself connecting those headphones to high power amp vs low power out source.
Stop being dense.

>>105996757
>then the bass on them will be completely GONE when you connect them to power output that cannot deliver any power for shit
Not a thing. You measure them on a 1mW amp and a 1W amp and the frequency response will be exactly the same.

Actually he's talking about this. He just completely annihilated his ears to hear more bass. Many such cases.

>>105996757
>>105996679
>>105996774
>Not a thing
You gorilla monkey nigger, I hope you are merely trolling.
Here, the bass on those headphones is comically boosted by the manufacturer https://crinacle.com/graphs/headphones/beyerdynamic-dt770-pro/
BUT when you pair it with shit source power wise, then instead of bass you have a rolled off crater.
See https://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/1328164.png - and thats from SonarWorks lol, lmao even.

Hell, have your own example on DT990s
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?attachments/beyerdynamic-dt-990-pro-measurement-250-ohm-headphone-relative-frequency-response-png.109721/
Rolled off bass + fucked up treble
VS properly powered:
https://crinacle.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/DT990-Pro-250%CE%A9.jpg
https://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/beyerdynamic-dt-990-pro-250.php#gsc.tab=0
Flat bass, non-fucked treble.
How are you gonna explain that, huh?

>>105996830
Wow. You're telling me the people posting charts ITT don't know how to properly setup the hardware they don't own but love to shit all over? No way.

the beyers remorse schizos are back, god damnit we got almost two days this time. YOU DONT OWN IT!!!!!!!!!!!

>>105996859
>beyers remorse
>implying my lossless 2hu CD rips don't sound amazing

>>105996830
Unit variation/pad condition.

>>105996863
they don't, but standards are different for everyone and talking about audio without a b testing is usually worthless. unfortunately any time someone says minor critisism about beyers remorse or the 600 line the schizos, who are really just babies first headphone come out and lose their minds. I'm happy you aren't one of those people like the schizo above

>>105996830
>Hell, have your own example on DT990s
RME ADI-2 is not enough power? You alright?

>>105996850
SonarWorks is an acoustic lab, then know how to set it up.
AudioScienceReviews amirm is a complete lab tests autist.
RAA is a heavily credited acoustic lab.
Crinacle is a fat fucker that is so respected for his measurements that even manufacturers collaborate with him to fine tune their IEMs/headphones. His setup is that of a 200k $ lab. His current setup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWIY7TfAa-U full older setups https://crinacle.com/graphs/headphones/ + https://crinacle.com/graphs/headphones-legacy/

None of those 4 are amateurs with crap inaccurate setups. The measurements are CORRECT for all 4. The difference in results comes down to power outputs of their audio sources.
So stfu already and accept your defeat, monkey.

>>105996900
The difference is from beyer having non-existent QC.

>>105996890
>You will reproduce the ASS * EAR RAPE sound if you run the amp in IEM super low gain mode and up the system volume+knob your way up to listening volume levels.
Your own error, senpai.
You did what the typical topping DX3 Pro+ users do. That thing will output only 10mW into 100ohm on low gain, and you have to use the filthy remote to enable high gain mode (250mW into 100ohm).

Actually yes, it does cap at 10mW in normal low gain mode, kek https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?attachments/rme-adi-2-dac-fs-version-2-headphone-quarter-inch-power-into-300-ohm-impedance-audio-measurem-png.63561/

>>105996958
There's no difference in FR from high/low gain. It's simply not how it works.

>>105997011
It's okay, schizo grandpa, let's walk you back to the bed.

>iemg/ is a chinese shill zone. Do not take anything they say seriously.
Oh ok, then dont buy hifiman, stax, fiio, moondrop, beyer, as they are all chinese

Kys dipshits

>>105997041
aside from stax every serious person here has been saying that for years anon. Why so hostile?

>>105997045
Dont act like you didnt get raped by beyer treble for years

>>105997080
anon i have been the one dealing with beyer schizos for too long, every single time it devolves into what you've seen above. I use hd 800/aeons and if i'm bored i pull out my 6xx's. Although i do flip headphones for fun so i've had a few beyers along the way, i fucking despise them

Just bought a Chifiman Arya for 560
Unsure if its was worth it over getting the 800 euro open box sr-x1 + srm 270s combo but lets see if it was worth it
Will report back...

>>105997088
How could you say for years not to buy fiio or moondrop headphones if they are a fairly new occurence thoughever?

>>105997141
I was stating against everything on that list, and beyers have been around forever and chifi has been around forever. I called the fiio trash as soon as i seen someone do wood again, before they even dropped them, and of course the drivers fell off because the chinese can only be relevant if they cut corners to maximize profits. It's why planars below the aeon are all worthless, you have to compensate somewhere or you won't be able to hold the extra driver weight. If anyone couldn't see what chifi was about miles away i don't know what to say.

>>105997088
>>105996368
When non-beyer users tell you are doing it wrong then you should stop for a moment and re evaluate your actions. Because same thing applies to all low sensitivity headphones, and when you enter the zone of all those boutique planar headphones that are ultra low sensitivity you get completely fucked.

All that was said if you get on your table a low sensitivity headphones then you pull out an amp and switch it into high gain mode, then listen.
Save yourself from having ear grating treble experience with rolled off bass. It's that simple really.

>>105997159
How are those aeons compared to hd800 in terms of soundstage? I noticed they arent all that expensive. But also, in the iem space china dominates, this is straight up facts.

>>105997160
I'm not who was argueing with the schizo, i already said i wouldnt. my point was about every single topic with beyers/600 users still holds
>>105997175
>How are those aeons compared to hd800 in terms of soundstage?
the vertical soundstage of aeons is quite good, it's kind of weird honestly, but hd 800's mog them into oblivion for soundstage. I think a lot of people would like the aeon more than the hd 800 though, it's just a giant pillow on your head with how thick the padding is and the headband can have more added if you want. Aeons are still probably the best deal in audio that im aware of, unless you count ether cx's on used market that's completely dried up.
>But also, in the iem space china dominates, this is straight up facts.
I won't contest any point's about iems, it's just such a cancerous space and it's why most people here avoid it entirely. I've owned $500 iems, and $20 chinese iems, they both sounded like pure death and were mogged by 6xx's, given i never bothered after that because I can't stand the feeling of them and don't care for portable audio. It's just a tiring topic in general because iem's were only popularized by anime iconography and the low cost for 3rd worlders/poorfags and people who don't care about dropping sub $100 on something they might never use, not to say thats the entire market but its probably the insane majority

>>105997204
Thanks for the impressions. The iem space here is in fact cancerous, and it has been popularized by the lowest common denominator, try out some tanchjim iems like oxygen or origin, best imaging and soundstage i heard on a iem barring 64 Audio u12t, which is 4 times as expensive.

i dont know soundcards or chipsets.
is there a chinese knockoff to realtek?
is there some aliexpress pcie soundcard that is 10$ that will be remarkably better than just motherboard

>>105997273
>try out some tanchjim iems like oxygen or origin,
I'll add them to my list

If you do venture into headphone audio it's just very important to have a hard avoid list for certain models/brands. There is such insane amounts of qa problems and pretty much without exception all the companies that have problems with it also don't honor warranties. Some of the most notable are schiit,focal,audeze,chifi in general although i'm unsure about how they handle warranties i never bothered looking past the qa. It's why I usually tell everyone just to stick with DCA aeons or ethers used, no matter how good something sounds it's not going to matter if it breaks due to negligence and incompetence.
It's a shame really because so many of those brands made interesting headphones, but overlooking them being retarded is something i don't bother with

>>105997295
PCIE stuff is dead, Jim.
You should consider anything with realtek to be THE bugmans knockoff. Realtek ICs costs in bulk about 0.10$ for typical 3 digit ALCxxx codecs, up to 0.50$ for their "premium" 4 digit codecs.
Look for USB boxes instead, there was bugmen FX Audio DAC X6 MKII mentioned earlier, that is a good cheap shit solution for full size headphones, cause it has a ton of power to drive even the very insensitive headphones. It won't work with IEMs or very low power headphones - you will hear background noise all the time with it on those.

Quick run down on chips alone:
Better stuff uses codecs from Cirrus Logic (Apple puts that shit into all of their modern macbooks, macs, usb dongles), C-Media (mostly legacy or second hand cards/DACs now).
Mid-to-top would have DAC codecs like AKM, ESS, or something entirely custom on a FPGA chip.
You will have also take into consideration that better products will also have things like separate headphone amplifier chip (if it's a Texas Instruments TMA chip you are fine, if it's some ChinaBushTrashCan chip brand then run like hell, don't buy).
Most importantly you have various OP-AMP chips on filtering and I/V stage (again anything Texas Instruments LM/LMA series, New Japan Radio NJM series or MUSES being usually best, with Burr Brown OPA, Analog Devices AD chips being more of a mixed bag - OPAMPs affect the sound characteristics a lot and TI, NJR aim for neutral sound, while OPA, AD colors the sound heavily usually).
Even chink manufacturers are proud enough of those brands chips so they put them into public specs sheet - if the device you are looking at doesn't list what it uses that is a BIG RED FLAG.

>>105997433
what???
why wouldnt every 200$ motherboard just have the "premium" chip then.
u telling me asus and such are cheaping out on .4cents while upcharging us 50$ between models

>>105997486
Yes. I do tell you that.
And this is precise reason why all mobo audio is considered dogshit, why buying a 5$-10$ apple dongle DAC for PC is an improvement (it runs on a cheap cirrus logic chip), and why macbooks are considered to be extremely superior audio-wise to pc laptops (cirrus logic chip they put into laptops costs like 2.50$ in bulk, and are not even the high end models from that chip manufacturer... the spreadsheet with tested parameters supplied by CL, Realtek etc says it all honestly).

The big PC mobo manufacturers are a scummy penny pinchers, and outright scammers, and I'm telling this to you as a PC power user/techautist building PCs for the past 25 years (also an apple/mac hater, to make that clear too I'm not sugar coating the situation).

>>105997521
>cirrus logic chip they put into laptops
into macbooks*
This is the variant that they put into high end ARM macs nowadays https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Cirrus-Logic/CS42L42-CWZR?qs=QJVrD4wLTyPqUMb4fp%252BIsA%3D%3D
5$, and a non-Apple exclusive variant with same parameters is cheaper.
Few years ago they were putting this in https://www.cirrus.com/products/cs4207 - a very mid cheap with quality low pricetag to it, like 2$ in bulk, my old 50$ PCI-E card (bought for 30$ second hand) had much better variant - https://statics.cirrus.com/pubs/proDatasheet/CS4362A_F2.pdf - less than 4$ in bulk https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Cirrus-Logic/CS4362A-CQZ?qs=bUPhaerQQeHHVsq0wyAwkw%3D%3D

>>105997486
>>105997575
Actually I've got even some measurement tests for you from a loonixfag
https://delightlylinux.wordpress.com/2017/01/13/experience-better-sound-in-linux-with-the-asus-xonar-dx-sound-card/
Pic related, he compared what I had (that 30$ second hand card with sub-4$ DAC codec chip... MANUFACTURED ALL THE WAY BACK IN 2007) vs modern "premium audio" 4 digit Realtek codecs.
Notice the intermodulation, total harmonic distortion and scuffed not neutral frequency response... yeah that's bad, even tho he used loopback method which makes the result numbers worse for 30$ card (ADC converter aka input chip is lower class than it's DAC output chip, while Realtek uses just one same one chip for both).

>>105997433

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007713537190.html?pdp_ext_f=%7B%22order%22%3A%221425%22%2C%22eval%22%3A%221%22%7D

is this snakeoil or is CB1200AU a good chip?

>>105997486
For lulz check this out, 1200$ Dell tower with Realtek crap
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/dell-xps-8930-realtek-hd-audio-interface-review.10403/

>>105997997
Probably utter chinkshit. Also keep in mind dongles have only amplified headphone output, they don't have line out for speakers, and forcing speakers onto headphone output usually ends with bad/weird sound.
If you want a dongle real bad check if there's something cheap from TempoTec/Hidizs (one and the same thing, just in different chassis), or Moondrop even. Aliexpress sometimes has heavy discounts that apply to those.

for me, it's Quad ERA-1. I've been free of the urge to consoom for 4 years now thanks to them
wouldn't mind checking out STAX but that's about it

What's the deal with DACs and amps? When and why do you actually need them? I don't have any, just a cheap audio interface. It's making things confusing when I'm looking to buy new headphones because many of the candidates for me seem to require(?) an amp, and I keep reading very mixed opinions about how important it is. I don't know if I should bite the bullet and pay some more to buy an amp, or look for something that doesn't need one, or just try without an amp even when it's recommended.

>>105998367
start with an apple dongle because they cost like 7 dollars and if you never notice the difference it won't matter. If you feel the headphone you are using lacks volume and you are constantly at like 90% volume then you probably need one, in which case an o2 or the jds atom will do for pretty much everything. Avoid absolutely anything made by schiit as its all horribly made with no qc or actual warranty honoring and other trash like channel imbalance pots problems.
The good news is used o2 or old stock amps are like $30-50 usd, and are/were common so you can start there and see if you've got enough power and worst case you sell it for the same as you paid.

>>105998405
There is one problem with apple dongle - they started locking the volume on non apple devices to about 40% of it's original max.
Guess better idea would be something like FiiO JA11 that goes for about 10 bucks, it uses some chinkshit mystery chip from KTMicro tho.

>>105998466
Interesting, well like everything in this consumerism world we can't have anything good for very long. I knew it was a mater of time before they fucked with it for whatever reason. When did they do this?

>>105998498
At first it was only for EU model due to some retarded law requirements, but then merely one year later on they decided that it would be "good idea" to fucking it up on US models as well - as long as you are using non-apple device with it.
It's probably because that dongle is cheap as fuck, an apple doesn't like selling low profit margin items - they did it AFTER the dongle got cult following among android/pc users, so their accountants noticed the big sales increase.
Macfags don't really buy the dongle since they are cattle-peddled into low sound quality bluetooth in ears/headphones.
A vile jew in a corpo gonna do vile jew things.

>>105998498
At first it was only for EU model due to some retarded law requirements, but then merely one year later on they decided that it would be "good idea" to fuck it up on US models as well - as long as you are using non-apple device with it. You know, just to fuck over android and pc users
.
It's probably because that dongle is cheap as fuck, and apple doesn't like selling low profit margin items - they did it AFTER the dongle got cult following among android/pc users, so their accountants noticed the big sales increase.
Macfags don't really buy the dongle since they are cattle-peddled into low sound quality bluetooth in-ears/headphones.
A vile jew in a corpo gonna do vile jew things.

>>105998564
i saw that

>>105998538
>Macfags don't really buy the dongle since they are cattle-peddled into low sound quality bluetooth in ears/headphones.
it's so fucking tire some, really. Every time they do trash like this where they are clear as day fucking their userbase over like when they got rid of aux the defenders don't even care or try and hold them accountable because they actually just love a new reason to get a new product. One of my hobbies is collecting retro stereo gear and seeing the works of art in some old amplifiers is fucking incredible, and the absolute sheer amount of it too. Now we have fucking chifi or schiit making all our gear, how fucking sad really.

>>105998575
The curse of changing what you gonna type mid sentence and then nooooticing the leftover mistakes after posting it kek

>>105998466
>>105998584
I found this:
>On Android, the Apple dongle has another volume quirk in that, on top of any potential volume limit like what the EU versions have, volume is limited to an additional 25% of max by default.
>That means that when plugged into Android, the 1V US dongle will only output 85mV max and the 0.5V EU dongle will only output 42mV max.
What the fuck, for reference 1V is 1000mV. If that info is not a typo then you get less than 10% of the max power on non-apple devices now.
The new jewple dongle revisions are really scuffed.

>>105998466
>>105998405
>>105997997
Apparently the mysterymeat DAC chip from KTMicro in JA11 has a shitton of random manufacturing flaws, so disregard that suggestion - https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/fiio-has-released-the-usbdac-ja11-with-an-initial-price-of-only-9-69rmb-and-support-for-peq-dsd128-pcm384.55160/page-25

This most likely would apply to all those dongle DACs on mystery bugmen manufacturer chips - I don't believe it's a design company failure (KTMicro), rather than bugmen chip semiconducting foundry (chip factory) company, and all of those mystery DACs would be made at same semi foundry.

is /hpg/ officially back?

What is the deal with Beyer fanboys getting so aggressive when ppl point out the treble?

can we try to not spend another decade endlessly discussing beyer

>>105995245
Are you guys just running things on tiny dongles and EQing? You do know you need an amp to control something like a k702

>>105996653
This, it’s hard for them to use their ears sometimes when they see fancy dollar signs and well designed cases in their way.

>>105996683
I think all subwoofers sound like shit even expensive servo subs. I just run monitors in full range and it sounds better than with a sub

>>105997041
This is a shill zone too, bunch of retards posting graphs having never listened to these things

>>105997159
Fiio isn’t trash you’re trash

>>105999681
Worse! They didn't discover that they need to switch their 1000$ combo DACAMPs from low gain mode to high gain, being stuck forever with 10mW kek

>>105999530
we'll see if anyone bothers making a new thread

>>105999812
but if I turn on high-gain i need to put windows volume at like 5% D:

>>106000237
Yeah sure but do you understand why? No?
Well then the problem lies between your left and your right ear.
QRD: There was an anon in this thread that was doing the exact opposite of what you just described. Imagine that lmao.

>>105997115
>Chifiman Arya for 560
RIP, this shit was on sale for less than 450 recently, but still not worth it. Also should have gone for estat memes, srx1 is fun.
>>105997433
DAC/OPAMP brands are a retard magnets, best performing devices use multiple DAC channel signal comparison to filter out noise, and stack pretty simple OPAMPs like 20x 1612 or 1656 OPA in nested feedback circuits, these configs totally rape audiophool shit like muses or sparkos despite them having better stats on paper, as literally nobody implements them in a proper way to take these advantages.
>>105996830
990s are the most earpad-dependent headphones known to the mankind and they can sound good if all stars align. Usually they dont.
Plus you are comparing different fixtures with different pad wear and clamp force.

There are no non-Chinese, non-Beyer, wired closed back headphones worth your money.

>non-Chinese, non-Beyer

>>106000616
Nobody is buying your garbage, Zhang.

>>106000616
HD620S
HD-25

>>106000616
Noire X

>>105997433
You are wrong, AKM4499EQ (pre-fire) is the best dac ever made.

$53 no tax https://store.hifiman.com/index.php/he-r9-refurbished.html

Get your cheap bass cannons my niggers

>>106002009
I'm gonna be plugging this into a $200 xDuoo TA-66 and an R2R DAC

Could $250 of aliexpress e-waste really gas the kikes?

>>106002009
I'd rather be dead than buy your chinese garbage, Zhang. Poor quality products, horrible quality, worthless rubbish.

>>106002176
Name a better $50 headphone

>>106002318
Phillips Fideio XH2R. There that was easy, now piss off with your cheap garbage landfill LiXiang.

>>106002354
Meme. Even China's cheapest e-waste destroys your competitor.

>>106000616
Dan Clark E3

>>106002383
>Meme. Even China's cheapest e-waste destroys your competitor.

good evening folks.
God, I fucking HATE Beyerdynamic.

>>106002456
Resistance against Aliexpress e-waste is futile

>>106003158
Just rightly helping people avoid being scammed. You chinese idiots have always been scam-artists and sell worthless, bad quality headphones.

>>106003185
The HE-R9 is $53, all you have to do is name a better pair.
https://www.headfonia.com/hifiman-he-r9-review/2/

>>106003213
$53 down the toilet. Only a chinese idiot like you would convince people to waste $53 for no reason.

The Fidelio XH2R is the perfect budget headphone. It will always be far better than any garbage you smelly shitheads make. Simple as that.

>>106003226
I'm still waiting

>>106003239
Waiting for what? Anyone could provide you a argument and you'll just say "Meme" like the braindamaged shillbot retard you are >>106002383

Take note everyone. Even a thread like this gets literal chinese shills trying to shill their landfill vomit. Hifiman headphones are known for having filth and germs on them too when purchased brand new. Avoid at all costs.

>>105983573 (OP)
Budget of $500
Good headphones for gaming and shows I don't need an amp for.
Otherwise, good amp to run something that would need it.

>>106003269
audeze maxwell

>>106003269
500 is probably overkill for ampless so suggest me both

>>106003279
I'd prefer wired

>>106003307
It can be used wired

>>106003316
Is the mic detachable?

>>106003355
yes

Holy shit an actual /hpg/ thread
>>105997041
>Oh ok, then dont buy hifiman, fiio, moondrop, beyer, as they are all chinese
That's correct. Everyone here has been saying just that.
>Stax
Technically acquired by Edifier but all their shit is still made in Japan.
>>106002009
>over 4% THD over 4.3 khz
Jesus fucking Christ those are some of the shittiest headphones I've ever seen. This isn't even worth 50 bucks. Kill yourself Chang.
>>105986034
Yes. Any post 1975 STAX, DCA planars or Aune AR5000. That's just in that price range. If you mean overall then anything Audeze, DCA, STAX, FiiO, Meze etc. Arya are sibilance cannons that are good only for their soundstage.
>t. owned them
But sold them like a month later since it's a fucking torture device with how sharp the treble is. Got Lambdas instead.
>>106000616
DCA Stealth, E3, Aeon Closed, LCD-XC
>>106003269
Aune AR5000. Maxwell is also good but keep in mind QC is shit for Audeze's lower end models.

>>106003269
Similar to this guy but budget is 300 and ampless only.

>>106003543
AR5000

>>106003543
Do not listen to the chinese shill: >>106003543

Just get a K712

>>106003543
This >>106003575
Aune AR5000. 65mv required, will run off of a phone. Stay away from Beyers and similar treblecannons
Also here's the measurements of Chinkfiman's R9 if anyone wants to have a laugh.
>>106003596
AR5000 has better target compliance, THD performance and way higher sensitivity. 207 mv vs 65 for 94 dB SPL

>>106003596
what's with those 2 awful dips? not to be a graph fellator, but i couldn't really see something sounding that fantastic with dips that big at 1.2khz
is it not as noticeable when actually listening to them?

>>106003629
>>106003698
>chinese salesman posting his unverified chink graphs
Hopeless little chinese loser

>>106003735
>ASR
>chink
You might be retarded. And the same FR is seen on basically any measurement.

Is the QKZ x HBB the only budget IEM with a subdued midrange and extra bass?

>>106003771
ask iemg

>>106003770
Yes, you are indeed a smelly chinese shill. ASR does not account for the inconsistency between models because chinese manufacturing process is so cheap. It also doesn't account for the extremely poor build quality and visible germs being stuck to the headphones.

Never buy chinese, ever.

>>105999591
Babies first headphone, they like it and if everyone else doesn't love it they spurge out, it happens in every single thread
>>105999669
hopefully
>>105999721
sub prices even used are so retarded so i'll agree you with there. Although you can find mediocre ones quite often and the best deals are usually from some older person who sells their entire gear set up at once. I've been blessed by that a lot with older people being forced to downsize
>>105999766
Fiio is trash, me being trash has nothing to do with it
>>105999748
i've listened to every single headphone but 2 I have spoken about here, we post graphs because visual representations help even the person wondering about something anon
>>106000616
not this schizo again

>>106003775
Didn't see hpg is back just typed iemg in search box. My mistake.

>>105983573 (OP)
i remember like 10 or so years ago the most recommended model in the $150-$250 range were the Beyerdynamic DT990 pro.
Are they no good anymore or why are they not in the OP?
Also the pastebin is dead.

Beyerdynamics were never good, they benefitted from being one of the first to put out semi-"""competent""" headphones for professional use way back when. Their dominance in the pro space then trickled into the gaming and casual market.
They last a long time, are decently comfortable, and very easy to buy in most places. They don't sound good.

>>106003488
>muh THD
Reddit argument

>theres a new stax 007
wtf
anyways how is it?

Any better closedbacks than HE-R9 under $100?

I’m ashamed of my 770s, but it’s all I have.

>>106003269
HD490

>>106004933
we all started somewhere anon. Keep an eye on the used market, especially locally when the time comes you want something else. I've seen some pretty unbelievable deals, especially in major cities.

>>105995541
What??? Majority of headphones are closed back. Unless you mean hifi specifically but even then like 70% of DCA's stuff is closed back headphones. Audeze makes closed versions as well that are better tuned than their regular headphones kek.
>So why are headphones in the 2020s all obsessed with being open like speakers?
open back = larger soundstage and less distortion. DCA Stealth doesn't count because that's an irregularity.
>>106004623
AKG K361. Or just buy something used. You can get ~170 USD models for 100~ USD that way.
>>106004933
Don't worry anon, we all have to start somewhere :) Way back I used to used to use [spoiler]HyperX headphones[/spoiler]

>>106004933
broke retard

>>106003213
https://www.audiophile-heaven.com/2022/03/hifiman-he-r9-mystery-of-cherry-songs.html

Why aren't there planars with ANC yet?

>>106006635
you'd add a lot of weight if you made planer anc, assuming portable as well. The entire market share for anc fags doesn't give a shit about sound quality so the problems you'd have to over come with planars wouldnt be worth the trouble of dealing with. Imagine walking around with that much weight on your head and the probable issues with most headbands self adjusting due to you walking like the aeon has, sounds like a total nightmare for a market thats completely dominated by essentially 0 cost chink manufacturing and the most insane profit margins in audio

I don't know a damn thing about amps or shit I just want plug and play headphones for gaymin that aren't bass boosted to fuck.

>>106007045
There are already portable wireless planars, but they don't have ANC.

>>106007365
yeah, and they are riddled with qa problems like the audeze maxwell or that other one i forgot the name of, and those are just meant for incels at their desk. It's just a pointless thing to make considering the market anc lives in, i mean the xm6 has 30mm drivers and all of them sound like total death and can be sold at 300-500$. You definitely could make an anc planar but again whos the audience? Maxwell's was gaymers who want to larp as audiophiles but can't figure out a microphone, it's a sad state of affairs

niggas be hating on chinese headphones yet forget they are the only ones with non garbage in the budget segment

Niggers best 200 usd or less wireless headphone over ear closed back, priority for sound quality. Confused between sennheiser accentum, sennheiser momentum 4. Also any resources to get educated on headphones or get advice? Installgentoo wiki is outdated

>>106008274
>wireless
>under 200
>sound quality
LMAO! Pay your rent with that money

>>106008353
No I already own a house thx

>>105983573 (OP)
friend gave me HD6XX he had
i guess i don't need a dedicated DAC because i have a realtek ALC1220
but do i really need an amp to get more out of them?
they get loud straight from my computer

>>106008353
no need to be so hostile anon
>>106008274
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php
https://www.youtube.com/@InnerFidelity
tylls retired now but all his videos are good, you can still find a lot of his articles on stereophile but linking them here is annoying
https://crinacle.com/
>>106008376
probably not but you can always get a cheap amplifier that's resale value is almost the same as it's cost, the o2 is a good example of that. sometimes schiit's trash is used for cheap and it's quite easy to resell if you don't find any use. But having a volume knob is quite nice especially considering o2 amps can be as cheap as $30 usd used which justifies just the convenience

What are the most comfy open headphones out there for 200 or less? It's ok if I need a dac/amplifier for it.
Comfort is the most important thing though, can't have too much clamp or weight

>>106008424
hd 599, they usually go on sale 50% off on the main sale events like black friday, they have no clamp, weigh nothing and have velour pads

>>106008394
i live in a country with island like economy
there is no real second hand market here
so reselling it later isn't a consideration i have

>>106008433
Thanks brother
>They were 75€ a month ago
Ah shit, will wait for black friday then

>>106008434
i pulled out my 6xx's and did a bit of testing amp vs just a dongle and i found i was lacking some volume, but i have all my files pretty replay gained down. If you are satisfied with your current set up i wouldnt bother changing it, 6xx is pretty sensitive and people always go way overboard with amps with it. It's one of my least favourite headphones to play very loudly anyways. But the time comes and you want to get one just get a solid budget one and you'll be more than satisfied

For music, V-Moda M100's were unironically the best pair of headphones I've ever owned.

I have Sennheiser HD560's I use for gaming, along with some IEM's (Simgot EM6L and Linsoul Hidizs MP145), but nothing is as pleasant as the V-Moda's.

They're also indestructible, I've dropped them so many times...

>>106008539
they seem like a solid basshead headphone, gave me a reason to read tylls review on it which was fun. heres the link if anyone cares to do the same
https://www.stereophile.com/content/bassheads-delight-v-moda-crossfade-m-100-page-2

>>106008539
The stock ear pads are laughably bad

>>106001477
You have reading comprehension problems.
AKM is already listed in mid to _best_ category.
You should be sent back to elementary/primary school with prohibition of using incognito mongol drawings exchange forums before your re-graduation.

>>106003596
>>106003698
K712s have heavily recessed vocals. K702s with removed bass port stickers (so called "seals") are superior, at the half of the price.
And no, it's not earpads-made difference, K712s with K702 pads still sound recessed.

>>106003596
>>106003543
Just noticed
>recommending any K7xx for AMPLESS setup
Oh dog don't do it, that fucker is trying to trick you into worst purchase ever.

>>106009669
>>106009754
Nobody cares about anything you have to say, smelly chinese shill. You are worthless trash.

My K712s broke after 11 months, wouldn't recommend.

And mine were from when they were still produced in Austria.

What is this form factor of headphones called, and are there any cheap suggestions from somewhere like AliExpress? Audio quality is not a concern, I'm using them while biking

>>106009927
supra aural

>>106009953
Okay, better written question, what's the form factor of the headband?

>>106009895
Cool post schizo, AKGs are made in china.

>>106010033
>smelly chinese retard getting desperate
>chinese idiot too stupid to distinguish between country of origin and country of manufacturing process
Nobody is buying your awful quality chinese headphones. They are terrible products, horrible quality.

>>106010087
>implying implications
I wish retarded schizos like you were permabanned off the imageboards. Then at last we could discuss anything seriously.
Also be true to yourself and stop recommending now made-in-china K712s.

>>106010173
There's nothing to discuss with shillbot morons like you. All your headphones are worthless garbage and landfill. Stop trying to scam people into buying that trash.

>>106010185
See the fucking timezones map you 89IQ nonwhite mutt.

>>106003543
K612
HD6XX

Avoid chinese brands

>>106010197
Don't care about whatever timezones you conveniently apply to your screencap, Zhang. Nobody is buying your low quality chinese trash.

>>1060101850
How is shitting on your chink made k712=advocating for other chinkshit? your just being raped for recommending a shit headpos, retard

>>106010229
>chinese idiot still too stupid to distinguish between design an manufacturing
>chinese idiot still too stupid to reply properly
just lol

How the hell do I improve the clamp force of my Ath-M20x's? Is it possible to just bend the metal that connects the driver to the headband slightly forward or are there some thicker earpads I can just choose?

>>105998367
>>105998405
Yes you need an amp retards. Headphones have something called and impedance curve you need an amp to cover those rapidly moving and complex impedances of multiple frequencies firing at once. There isn’t a single headphone that doesn’t benefit from an amp. Even different op amps will have different abilities at handling different headphones. Even iems need amps even with their sky high sensitivity.

>>106010381
I feel like the money for good replacement pads would be better spent on a different headphone altogether. Id think they will break if you put any force on these cheapos. they aren't exactly made tough.

>>106010427
>Better spent on a different headphone
Well If I look for something else it'd have to be portable, small enough to fit in a backpack, closed back, have a detachable cable, and drivers can't be angled, just so it's easier to mod. I should probably have been more specific, but I have the M20xBTs. Is there anything on the market like that?

How are there no Chinese modmic ripoffs? This piece of shit retails for 100$.

What's a decent and cheap headphone amp I can get from amazon EU?
Do Fidelios X2 even benefit from an amp?

>>106008074
I miss mine, they were great. The hsk hf2010s are different somehow

>>106010702
You don't need an amp

Hifiman has a sale right now, is anything there worth buying? I'm currently considering mobile headphones/ies.
>just spend 400$ bro
I'm on a budget. I already own BD DT770, they're pretty solid. They can't be as bad as JBL is.

>>106008424
>>106008454
Get Hifiman HE-R9 my man https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstore.hifiman.com%2Findex.php%2Fhe-r9-refurbished.html

>>106008424 #
>>106008454 #
Get Hifiman HE-R9 my man >>106002009

this chink is still here...

>>106011068
No I'm not

>>106010850
>hifiman
>for mobile/ies
Nah man, their in-ear lineup is a complete turd, so are their BT adapters for big headphones. Look elsewhere.
>>106011068
We all know that it is you recommending hifiman yourself and then hating on it pretending to be someone else, kek.

It's the best $53 you'll ever spend on mud cannons

holy shit. they are good.

>>106011155
Aren’t these supposed to be extremely fragile? Have they broken yet?

>>106011196
shit, i just got them today.
i hope the fragility is case by case basis and not the norm.

>>106011209
theres few design issues with them
the screws are retarded tiny and can be loosened on their own as you grab it and lay it down, and you may have to buy several screwdrivers just to operate them as its easy to break cheap heads on such small diameter. Some brand of screwdrives are good, some dont work at all and immediately lose ability to hold.

the headband adjustment mechanism box is held together by 2 screwns on plastic pressing against springs that hold 2 small balls that push on the metal, the plastic the screws go into is apparently easy to destroy/melt at the factory so it falls apart on its own.
the hinge mechanism had some screw that loosened up on its own or something and they revised the design later on

if you want to open them to try out listening without earcups for fun theres like glued on covers for the screws that are really frustrating to remove

>you don't need an amp
imagine listening to line level signal
>hurr durr just use onboard audio
that headphone jack is preamped bro

>>106014099
I've listened to music directly from my DAC using an RCA to 3.5mm converter cable. Sounds fine and more than loud enough, LiuZhaobei.

>>106010410
welcome back shizo, i see your back to calling everyone 89 iq and arguing with people in bad faith again. I hope one day your not so angry all the time

Can one EQ away treble rape on AKG 7XX 'phones?

>>106014578
You can EQ most things on headphones.

>>106014578
you could try and see what it's like after, just use peace eq+eq apo and there is an option for autoeq presets, search your headphone and try it out

>>106014592
Oh that looks dope

>>106014127
you're genuinely retarded

>>106015898
>no argument
No problem idiot.

koss porta pro sound better to me than beyerdynamics 770, does this make sense?

>>106015978
>does this make sense?
if you hear, think, and say so, then sure.

>>106015978
They're compliant according to /r/headphones. 770 is literally a medieval torture device while Porta Pros are the second coming. Just don't mention that they have completely different use cases and the Porta Pros can't be used outside, or inside with an AC, or with a gaming PC, or so on.

>>106016942
>770 is literally a medieval torture device
They aren't that bad. I don't know why you people have this hatred of them and the 990s. I chalk this up to
>popular thing bad
they're just fucking headphones bro and they have their purpose. Some people need to hear treble. They're like the opposite of 90% of the market where everyone is shitting out bass cannons. I hear stuff for the first time in things I've been listening to for my entire life due to owning the 990s. They have been perfectly acceptable for the intended purpose I purchased them for (mastering audio on a budget) and everything I master/edit on them sounds fine on anything else I've tested it on. I own several sets of nice studio monitors and the DT990s are comparable in quality. I like to be able to work without bothering family, friends and the neighbors. I wanted some headphones for less then $1k. It has been a good purchase.

Now are they going to go to shit due to chinks buying the company? Probably. Are other headphones in a similar price range just as good? Probably.

Pro-tip: If you didn't come here ranting about them all of the time people that own them wouldn't show up to talk about them. So if you goal is to have no discussion about them whatsoever you're going about it in the wrong way. I find it kind of odd that this one particular company is getting so much hate from at most 2-3 people ITT. Considering they're relatively cheap well known cans for studio work. It isn't like they're ripping people off. I knew what I was getting when I bought them. It wasn't for listening to mumble rap and amazing chest rumbling lows. Anyone can make a piece of shit to shit out bass. It isn't exactly hard.

>>106015978
For me moondrop chu2 sounds better than snoy MDR 7506.

>>106010410
If your headphones have over 20 Ohm at every frequency then you never have to worry about your amp not performing performing properly. Impedance peaks are actually where the amp is performing the most efficiently, if you know Ohms law. Below 20 Ohm amps become unstable and deliver less power than rated.

>>106014433
Are you Canadian or something, what's wrong with you?

>>106011089
>Nah man, their in-ear lineup is a complete turd, so are their BT adapters for big headphones
So what was I supposed to buy? Apple earbuds?
You could at least recommend something else to me. I need lightweight headphones or in ears for travel/worm.
I'm gonna try out Svanar WLs and then report back. I'm pretty sure I can refund the order if they're really bad, and if not, I broke two pairs of IEs in the last month so I don't mind.
>it's not ieee
Yeah I don't like that general

>>106017877
As shit as iemg is, they sometimes have some decent recs. Obviously if you know it's cheap and made in China it will 100% be made like shit, which is almost %90 of iems today
Also anything BT will die way quicker than expected, so dropping $500 for the svanar is just stupidly burning money. Especially when it's so simple to eq cheaper stuff to sound at least half decent. And the lots of non cheap iems shove in as many meme drivers to pretend your getting your money's worth when 1 DD would be sufficient.
And if anyone recommends you anything, the schizos here will jump on it because 1 it's chinese, 2 it's cheap and 3 it's not a headphone.
That being said, an apple dongle, or jcally if usb-c. And a zero2 could get you what you want. If you feel like you want high price piece, try a Mangird tea pro.

>>106018676
/iemg/ is a mess of a gen, but the resources in op are arguably some of, if not the best ones i've seen out of any ccommunity
all three projects (gazette, shopping guide, eq guide) are well maintained and surprisingly not biased compared to the shit flinging you see in every thread

>>105999591
They cope by saying you think you don't like treble because you simply hadn't heard treble yet before.

>>105996653
Yeah if you're listening to crappy eurobeat (so, non-audiophile music) you're okay with a basic set of headphones and a basic cheap little amp. The people like me who drop 10, 15, 20k on a setup are listening to music that benefits from being heard with such high end gear.

>>106000616
Wrong. It's called Sony MDR-CD3000 (from 1993) and I've got two pairs. Best closed back headphone I've ever heard.

>>105996653
I listen to mostly classical music, and with larger orchestral pieces with very wide dynamic range (very soft quiet pizzicato all the way up to cannons firing or church bells tolling) which can benefit a LOT with higher-end headphones/speakers and the highest bitrate recording you can find.

>>106001477
Wrong, that'd be the PCM-63 or the PCM-53JP

>>106002318
Koss KSC75 for $15.

>>106002354
Those were one of the first headphones I ever bought when I started getting into this hobby and frankly they're fucking awful. Treble cannons and midbass mud cannons. Only fun if you mostly listen to EDM. Anything vocals with delicate instruments or jazz etc (actual audiophile music) sounds like ass on it.

wtf ai mami...

>>106020405
>actual audiophile music

>"""audiophile music"""
>least useful music to use for differentiating flaws in headphones
that tracks actually lmao

>audiophile music
I use my 1k$+ audio system exclusively to listen to anime and video game OSTs(in flac), thougheverbeit. Why yes, I am an audiophile.