Thread 106233249

Trying not to lose all hope edition

>Interviewing
Neetcode 150: https://neetcode.io/practice
Tips and interview practice: https://blog.interviewing.io/

>How to write a resume
https://stackoverflow.blog/2020/11/25/how-to-write-an-effective-developer-resume-advice-from-a-hiring-manager/

>Salary Stuff
"What's your expected salary?": https://www.fearlesssalarynegotiation.com/salary-expectations-interview-question/
Negotiation advice: https://github.com/petermekhaeil/salary-negotiating
Salary data: https://levels.fyi/

>Software Development & Programming
GitHub Trending - https://github.com/trending
DevDocs - https://devdocs.io/
JavaScript, CSS, HTML sandbox - https://jsfiddle.net/
MDN Web Docs - https://developer.mozilla.org/
Stack Overflow Blog - https://stackoverflow.blog/

>IT Operations & Infrastructure
AWS Service Health Dashboard - https://status.aws.amazon.com/
Cloudflare System Status - https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/
DownDetector - https://downdetector.com/
Microsoft Azure Status - https://status.azure.com/
Microsoft Office 365 Status - https://portal.office.com/servicestatus

>Unemployment Advice
Interview Prep - https://www.wikihow.com/Ask-Your-Parents-for-Money
Building a Resume - https://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Manifesto
Salary Stuff - https://www.usa.gov/benefit-finder/disability
Emotional Support - https://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-lethal-methods
People who will be joining us shortly - https://layoffs.fyi

>International Job Boards
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/
Indeed - https://www.indeed.com/
Hiring Cafe - https://hiring.cafe/
YCombinator - https://www.workatastartup.com/companies
Wellfound - https://wellfound.com/jobs

>Anti-Pajeet Job Boards
USAJobs - https://www.usajobs.gov/
Clearancejobs - https://www.clearancejobs.com/

Previous: >>106193933

>>106224052
I got eight years experience in web development. I think I got like one interview so far and seven or eight rejections.

>>106233819
I'm in the UK, it's over here.

>apply for job
>listed as remote
>location: remote (in a specific country)
>ok!
>apply
>talk with recruiter
>are you willing to come to the office [2 hours from where you live] 2 days per week
>???

how do i write a resume if i have been a neet for 5 years. should i lie?

>recent grad
>no interview experience, decide to wing it
>"tell me about yourself"
>I start talking about about my hobbies and that I walk my dog and shit
>rejected
>watch an interview prep video
>the surprised "ok" response from the recruiter now makes sense
can't stop cringing

>every hiring process is atleast 3 interviews (for junior positions)
this is so tiresome man, I just accepted to take part in a 4 interview long one for a lowcode position (it is what it is)
do you guys aim for a specific number of interviews that you take part in the same time period?
I feel like accepting interviews from more than 4 companies at the same time makes it hard to prepare well for any of them
but then again, /utwg/ suggested to apply to way more positions than I used to (14 per year)

>>106234270
>report listing on the platform with the written proof of them lying

Is every single company really doing 1 OA, 3 Coding interviews, and 1 behavioral now?

who decided this was ok

>>106234270
did you take the job?

>>106234278
say you've been freelancing occasionally and taking care of a relative for health reasons or whatever

>>106234313
>>the surprised "ok" response from the recruiter now makes sense
elaborate

>>106234313
>>106236508
Don't cringe. The cringe part is having to play this retarded game both parties know are retarded.

anyone given up and accepted NEETdom
no point anymore
dont give a fuck me mate x

that's it, I'm cheating on every unproctored OA going forward, this shit is fake as fuck.

No meme answers please, but how do I become good at data structures and algorithms?

I keep panicking in OAs and close the tab

I have an interview tomorrow for a servicedesk position, I'm gonna be solving cloud issues (mostly Azure) for an ISP. I'm coming from a programming as a hobby background and they told me I was qualified for the position but might not like the job since there's a lot of customer interaction. How am I supposed to ace this interview tomorrow?

I GOT A JOB!!!

>>106238563
congrats

>>106238563
based

>>106238563
Unimaginably based, congrats anon. Please don't close the door shut behind you.

>>106238563
My man! Go get them

>>106234313
I'm a go getter with an a type personality, a team player, and a problem solver. I'll dig with a shovel if you tell me I must and rent a backhoe if you let me. Please give me the visa

I've never gotten past the OA, how likely is that you'll get a job once you are on the interview track for FANG jobs?

>>106238879
>>106238925
>>106238955
>>106238987
danke

if i get the opportunity to hire someone, i'm passing the word to my fellow utwgies first

>>106239089
sorry I am determined to get my first tech job without the help of nepotism

>>106239127
>nepotism is when someone you barely know helps you get a job
nta, but you are fucking stupid, and probably mentally ill.
this is why you won't get a job, btw.

>>106235655
Having to do leetcode is bad enough. Couple it with that shit, how the fuck does anyone without nepotism get a job?

>>106239198
Sorry anon I'm just so salty about nepo babies I don't want to engage with any behavior close to nepotism.

>DO NOT work helpdesk
>have other shit to do but help sometimes because a guy left
>fucking HR lady calls me yesterday at 9 "hey anon can you help this lady who got back from a 2 week vacation and can't get into her computer because she cut her thumb and also somehow deleted the entire MFA app from her phone and idk who to call tee hee?"
>fine help this retarded bitch, bye
>Today: retarded bitch IMs me "hey anon, I'm pretty new here tee hee how do I get help installing a printer driver"
>translation: can you install my printer driver IT monkey, now that I know you're name you're my helpdesk slave
>think to myself "how did you take 2 weeks off but also are new and don't know how to submit a ticket"
>Sure, you can submit a ticket by emailing the email address here it is. Also you can use the help hub. BYE!

I am unemployable because I don't care. This is unfixable.

>>106237754
you just keep practicing. If you don't even have at least 150+ optimally solved Leetcode problems that you did by yourself without looking at the solutions, don't even bother considering to interview.

>>106237754
Just watch all of the neetcode Blind videos. He explains the solutions pretty well in terms of what structures to use and how. That should be enough review material to refresh your memory or fill in any blind spots. On the other hand... if you don't understand what he's talking about, then sorry you're probably too far behind.

>>106239808
there are companies that hire without leetcode. leetcode is only for big tech

>>106239866
I applied to Ramp and it showed me that the alternative can be much, much worse

Jesus christ I might just skip this. I hate leetcode interviews so much

>>106239585
I'm unemployable but I do care

>>106239905
they're just adding engineer to everything now huh

> 41 yo old fart
> apply for generic google dev position
> get's contacted by a google recruiter
> have first "interview prep" call where she gives an overview of the process and tells me she'll send an e-mail detailing the topics and schedule options for the interviews
> it's been almost a week and no e-mail so far

I think I got ghosted before the process even began. Do these big tech companies even hire old farts like me?

>>106239428
do you even understand the difference between nepotism and networking?
do you really think merit rules this world? kek

>>106233819
are you white?

>>106240524
Half.

Crazy how much the process has changed. For me, my jobs after graduation were:
2000 - HR contacted me to set up an interview. Guess you could call it a phone screen but she didn't ask me any of the HR shit about "what animal are you". One casual phone interview with a PM and the head of SE. One on site interview with the CTO and COO. Job offer.
2003 - Contacted by a recruiter. One on site interview with HR. My work experience was unquestioned. Job offer.
2008 - One phone screen with the hiring manager, one on site with another SE. Job offer. During orientation, HR asked those stupid "what animal do you think you are?" questions but the job was already secured.
2016 - One interview with the hiring manager, one with the CTO. Remote job so nothing on site. This one is misleading since I knew the head of the department from a previous job and he was able to vouch for me.
2022 - Fired for refusing the jab. All interviews since then have been insane pipelines with only a ghost at the end. Age might also be a factor but of course no one is going to admit that.
Now I'm getting back some of the taxes I've paid over the past two decades by getting SNAP and Medicaid, so that's something. Guessing the only way forward now is independent development.

>>106240338
>The difference between nepotism and networking

Oh no no no no no

>>106237754
In Knuth we trust!

>>106238563
congrats and don't fuck it up

>>106240611
lmao @ (You)
if you think you are so good and deserving, then why don't you start your own business? :^)

>>106239905
>interview engineer
i think i might just change careers to custodial engineer at this point

>>106241419
All I'm saying is the term "networking" didn't exist before LinkedIn.
People used to just call that nepotism.

>>106241518
>All I'm saying is the term "networking" didn't exist before LinkedIn.
>nepotism
holy fuck lmao. how old are you?
you really have no clue. you obviously have never had friends in the industry, convenient or otherwise. again, that's why you are in this general, either because no one around you even knows anything about technical stuff, or because the ones around you that work in the industry know that you are fucking useless and would not ever recommend/reference such a useless retard anywhere, for reasons that should be obvious to anyone who has had a job.

here, let me tell you the difference:
nepotism: when a RELATIVES OR CLOSE FRIENDS GIVE YOU A JOB.
networking: when friends or acquaintances HELP YOU GET A JOB, most likely because they know how good you are at the job.
if you don't see the HUGE FUCKING DIFFERENCE, you need to leave this board, because you are too retarded to even think about it.

>>106241518
actual zoomer detected

you have 10 seconds to explain why you're mean to the IT department without complaining that you dont personally have admin rights (most of IT doesn't either)

>>106241676
Is this twg culture radiating onto utwg, or is it a sneaky psyop by normies from utwg?

>>106239535
That's because you're a normie yourself.
In my case, anything below director cringes away in fear that I cast some tcp tls spell onto them.

>>106243013
>Is this twg culture radiating onto utwg
some retard has been crossposting dumb crap in both generals for whatever reason. might be some sociological/psychological study (lol), might be trying to boost his ego or whatever.
it would be interesting to know, but people here aren't honest, even though we all post as Anonymous

Why not band together with a bunch of other anons to start a startup?
Quit wagecucking for halfwits and work for yourself.

>>106243771
SaaS is dead and has been for a very long while. Whatever fucking asinine CRUD you manage to come up with is not going to make any fucking money.

>>106243771
>>106243851
I posted an idea yesterday and almost no one in the whole board gave a shit: >>106236409

>>106244362
Ideas are cheap, show me the code.

Reminder to AVOID jobs who try to tell you what you can or can't do outside of company hours (pic rel). My last job had this policy and guess what? Mass layoffs without real logical reasons, don't waste your time.

>>106233819
kek, yeah kinda similar here. Indeed for example, where I have around 10 years experience in the digital field and 71% don't even view my fucking application

>>106234270
Tell them to fuck off.

>>106238563
Congrats anon! You've ascended to the tech workers general

>>106245072
Huh, I didn't know Indeed lets you see those kinds of stats. If I find something good there (which is rare) I typically just go to the employer's site. Interesting.

>>106245232
That was in the job description, that anyone can view.

>>106245292
No, I mean the 71% stat.

>>106245296
Whoops my mistake (doing like 6 things at once, havnt slept). It kind of is and it kind of isnt. You can use inspect and look for the classes

atw-StatusTag-description--blue
atw-StatusTag--red
atw-StatusTag-description--green

Blue means your application has been sent but not opened/not viewd, red means rejected and green means it was viewed. I just worked out the percentage and most employers dont bother opening it. Despite the keywords in my cv/cover letter matching the job requirements, can't imagine being filtered this hard by an automated ats system, kek

>apply for a job that fits me perfectly
>takes a fucking month for them to reply
>"sorry we're going with another candidate"
>see the same job offer on linkedin posted "a week ago"

I fucking hate this industry and I hope it burns down. Fuck you.

>>106245896
Forgot to mention I got that reply in July, so yeah they were bullshitting me.

serious question, why not go to med school or law school? this industry is pretty much dead

>>106246446
for me its sunken cost.

>>106239808
Well, I'm doing the roadmap and watching the videos made me understand the answers a whole lot.

I am just afraid that maybe I will just learn specific tricks for each leetcode question instead of how to solve a general problem with DSA

>Emotional Support
>https://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-lethal-methods

>>106246632
Welcome brother

so... any of you uber or doordash to make ends meet while unemployed

>>106246682
Ive been working in a fucking warehouse for the last year and a half. I may switch to Lyft because this job sucks ass but I'm not convinced it's a reliable source of income

>>106246682
I have a non-tech remote job, do surveys while working, and donate plasma.

>>106246703
>do surveys while working
qrd? i need some cash and i don't have a driver's loicense

>>106246702
Dang, I tried that for a while and hated it. I had a nervous breakdown on the job (it was interrupted by a fire drill so thankfully it wasn't that bad) and quit pretty quickly after that.

has anyone had any success begging for their old job back? i tried and got ghosted.

>>106246718
if you are eager to sell your data, search prolific.

>>106246682
I did that for a while, yeah I was broke but the freedom wasn’t bad at all. Pretty comfy during the summer. I stopped right around 2000 or so dashes.

>>106246840
>last job: let go after i asked for more money
>second to last job: let go due to budget cuts and the company is now losing money quickly
>third to last job: refused to pay higher than minimum wage and got confused why i would leave for a higher paying job

yeah i dont think i should bother

>>106246840
I'm too proud. I left to make more money and everyone knew it. It didn't work out. Now I'm gonna come crawling back asking for help? Genuinely, Id probably rather just let my career die.

Good morning sirs

>>106245896
>>106245909
report them maybe?

googling for "job ad fraud" led me to this:
>Encountered a Fake Job Posting? Here’s Where to Report It! If you come across misleading or fake job ads, take action and report them to help protect job seekers and ensure accountability. Here’s where you can report:
>Federal Trade Commission (FTC)
>Submit a complaint about deceptive business practices: reportfraud.ftc[.]gov
>State Attorney General’s Office
>File a report with your state’s Attorney General: www.naag[.]org/find-my-ag/
>Better Business Bureau (BBB)
>Report the company if it’s listed: www.bbb[.]org
>Job Board Platforms
>Flag fraudulent job ads directly on sites like LinkedIn, Indeed, or Glassdoor. Most platforms have reporting tools.
>U.S. Department of Labor (DOL)
>Report broader labor violations: www.dol[.]gov
>Local Workforce Development Agencies
>Contact your nearest workforce center for assistance with employment scams.
>Reporting fake job postings helps protect others and keeps the job market fair for everyone.

maybe report them to the DOL, BBB and flag them on the platform they published the ad

>Error: Our system thinks your post is spam. Please reformat and try again.
fuck the morons running this retarded forum

>>106247359
Not in the US, and honestly they could easily bullshit their way out of it with "oh well we didn't hire him after all". Ghost jobs and similar bullshit is so rampant right now that it's not worth bothering.

>>106239905

whats it like working with an indian tech team /g/?

>>106247450
we both have to work hours inconvenient to us.

>>106247450
>they will keep saying "yes" to everything, but "yes" doesn't mean "i will do it" but "i understand" so actually getting indians to do anything is like pulling teeth
>constant bullshitting, lying and gaslighting
>once they finally do anything, it will be written like shit, either obviously written by ai or obviously copied and pasted from github work 50% of the time and will take longer to fix than it took the asshole to "write"

It's a blast.

>>106247359
lol. there are many companies committing ultra blatant h1b fraud and nothing happens. even if you had definitive proof they probably wouldnt do shit. you arent gonna get someone on ghost jobs

>>106247644
The problem is more that the government is fully aware of this and no one gives a shit. Line go up.

>>106247644
Learning that some jobs get posted on random newspapers so they can say they didn't get any applicants and hire a bunch of H1B slaves makes me mad

>>106247692
>post job offer in some local newspaper nobody reads
>it's filled with nonsensical acronyms till the point it's unreadable
>"well nobody responded mr government. guess we have no choice but to hire some cheap indians"

total HR death

>>106247644
>>106247692
>>106247720

IF YOU ARE A US CITIZEN I NEED YOU TO READ THIS

There exists certain jobs called PERM jobs, which is when rather than offering an H1B visa the job directly offers a green card which is permanent residence. These jobs are LITERALLY hidden from Americans by being placed in newspapers and obscure locations that Americans would not be able to find and apply, which makes the company able to hire the immigrant under the falsehood that they could not find an American to fill the job.

WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. The best option we have is to follow sites that manually parse through newspapers and upload the jobs onto a database that we can then apply to. Usually the PERM job is created for an existing employee but if US citizens apply to the PERM job they are required to consider all of them and put the PERM process on hold.

How we can fight back against this:

1) Go to jobs.now, and apply for any job that is event slightly relevant. Make sure to polish your resume for each job

2) Report every listing that you see to the USCIS through their online tip form

>>106247644
>there are many companies committing ultra blatant h1b fraud and nothing happens
nothing happens because no one reports because everyone thinks "nothing happens"

>>106247771
they think nothing happens because its true. the us government has no interest in protecting local workers

>>106248242
>the us government has no interest in protecting local workers
well, they voted for that.

>>106248249
Didn't they say they wanted to remove the h1b cap and restrictions?

>>106247692
Yeap.

>>106235298
Anon, three is nothing. Try five for experienced people

>>106247771
start reporting some and let me know how it goes.
at this point the fraud is so blatant that is obviously some sort of geopolitical strategy between the US and india. 40% of dev jobs are currently held by immigrants with the large majority of them being indian. if this were not a planned thing and the people in charge seriously let this many non citizens run infrastructure then we are fucked anyway. even ignoring how bad it fucks over the domestic labor pool it seems like a massive national security issue. not just from incompetence but rather how easy it would be for states to flip them.

>>106233249 (OP)
How the fuck is it so difficult for you retards to understand this chart? Are you in denial or something?
Companies needed workers during and after the pandemic. There were needs for tech during lockdowns, and also lots of money after trump's cheques.
There is nothing but a need to fire those people now. They are just bloat.
It's sad but it's the reality. We are all part of this reality...

>>106248490
https://clickhole.com/inspiring-your-airbnb-host-managed-to-own-a-beautiful-property-even-though-she-seems-functionally-illiterate-when-messaging-you/

>check up on website i made for old employer
>all the store pages broke because some dipshit updated the dependencies without testing

This is what happens when you hire any dipshit off the streets to handle your IT shit instead of paying a decent salary. And they were so surprised when I left for a better paying job.

>>106248573
But... But the world RUNS on code... Programmers are the only truly important workers in the world... Why dont normies understand...

>>106248618
lol I made a website for an internship, I got paid peanuts but at least I have something on my resume. I left it perfectly fine just a modest, static landing page, but then I noticed 3 months later someone started working on it and added a bunch of animations and shit, now its laggy as fuck.

I bet they got a vibe coder.

Is this CV good?
Kid got hired at Nvidia with it

>>106248764
Hope you got some screenshots or snapshots on Wayback so you can still show off what you made. That's how I handled it when dumb clients started fucking around with my perfectly good sites without a damn clue what they were doing.

I made a website for an important international client where the marketers promised a whole bunch of bullshit without consulting the sucker who'd actually make it (me) how much time it would take (a lot). Then suddenly the boss was breathing down my neck about the site and I needed to have a meeting with the marketers about why it was so taking so long. I took one look at what the document containing the specifics that the client agreed to. Now we normally built simple sites or used templates, but this site was using a complex design from the customer with lots of specific needs (it had to be done in WordPress with some shitty expensive theme with fancy animations, custom interactions, an easy way to edit multiple kinds of post types that had to work and of course all of this had to be responsive) and told them "if you had asked me if it were possible to make this site in 40 hours I would've told you no and that you should've either billed them for 70 or let me program it how I want it". God I fucking hate marketers.

>>106248781
Maybe I should join a hackathon

>>106248781
>lists random unrelated languages and technologies with no elaboration
>lists GPA, graduation date and other extraneous details
>Throws unverifiable numbers around
According to the vast majority of resume advice on the internet, this is laughably unemployable. Am I being sent on a wild goose chase from people too sadistic to admit it's just over for some people?

>>106247755
>WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS
why don't we establish a dictatorship of the proletariat?

>>106248916
out skilleld

>>106248916
You need to ATSmaxx your resume, you need to put as many keywords as you can that match the job description.

>>106248781
did he really leave the templating lines/paragraphs in the CV?

>>106249104
no

>>106248781
how did you get internships in SF?? Do they sponsor ppl for summer internships?

>>106248781
Roastie saw the Slavic name and it reminded her of the one-night stand she enjoyed the most

>>106248840
>WordPress
stopped reading right there

>>106234190
>>106233819
Yep, Data's fucked too
I've got eight years in support and four as a data dev
Every job I apply for ends up being a rejection.
I've only had two interviews this year, one back in Feb and I have zero idea why they were interviewing me because it was well above my experience. I can only fathom that they had a company policy to interview x number of people.
One was last month but the company got bought and went into a hiring freeze. Reeeeee

Not fucking clue what to do, might have to go back to shelf stacking at this rate.

starting a new job in 2 months as a 2nd lvl admin

was working 6+ years as 1st 2nd and everything inbetween IT at a hospital

looking forward to never having to do 1st level ever again

>Recruiter told me my security clearance shows up in DISS, but not Scattered Castles
uhh

>>106248952
I'M WORKIN ON IT

any of you niggas make some cool shit?

>>106247755
It's already in the OP, but I guess no one reads it lol.

>>106250898
oh wait nvm it's not on there, I thought I added that before.

>>106247755
but I was told they need to import a bunch of H1B devs because American's are mid

>>106250897
we're all digging our own graves, slowly...

>>106249473
Did you miss the words "it had to be done in WordPress" and "let me program it how I want it"? I just do what people ask me to make, man, I fucking hate WP but that's what they paid me to do.

Has anyone tried getcracked.io? I've tried a few of the questions but it just sounds like random trivia. I can answer a few but then it wipes out some arcane C++ knowledge I don't know.

>5:05
>get at teams IM "hey anon,"
>typing...
>close my laptop and leave

>>106251747
An overseas friend of mine tells me his boss sometimes messages him at like 8 or 9 PM. Not often mind you but still. He also asked if he was gonna bring his work laptop on vacation, then said "just kidding".

>>106251195
>I just do what people ask me to make, man, I fucking hate WP but that's what they paid me to do.
I would just refuse, but I understand not everyone can be this goated. Who would would work on the wordpress sites then..?

>>106251970
I was the only one at the company to have time to work on that shit, so yeah, sadly I couldn't refuse.

>>106249380
go home pajeet

>>106252140
no, I'm coming so make some room

>4 months after graduating, 4 months after being laid off from my comfy office job that I did during uni due to company downsizing
>Not a single peep from anywhere
>Make toy projects to keep myself occupied in the mean time.
>Also post about shit on LinkedIn about shit I am doing in my toy projects (Including about my recent wave of data analytics)
>Suddenly start getting responses back from applications (Rejections, but communication nonetheless)
The timing is a little uncanny, but still... the main question I have is why do applications take so long to review and why do they have very sporadic messaging? You would think they would have a template email that they send.

>>106252264
>:(

How are job offers like this even real?
I'm 35 years old and my previous jewish boss literally CRIED when I asked for a $200 monthly raise and I know for a fact his company was earning dozens of millions per month
How are companies able to afford paying this to little kids?

>>106233249 (OP)
I watched some video today about farm workers being deported in murica, to the point of harvest season being at risk of not having enough workers. why don't you guys go work at a farm? there are lots of job opportunities there, created by Trump.

>>106252789
>deitke
is this another stein episode?

>be me
>CS degree, minor in "full-stack web development"
>"full stack" means HTML, CSS, and some JavaScript I copied from Stack Overflow
>graduated in 2020
>market is totally fine, I’ll get a job in like... two weeks tops
>fast forward 4 years
>still “networking” at Starbucks every day
>resume says "worked on multiple startups"
>startups = personal websites that never left localhost
>portfolio site takes 20 seconds to load because I put a 4K video as the background
>tell interviewers I’m a "React wizard"
>they ask about state management
>panik.jpg
>now working on “passion project”
>basically just a to-do list app but with dark mode
>thinking of monetizing it with NFTs
>mom says dinner is ready
>alt-tab from VSCode to Minecraft

What the actual fuck is going on bros. Why is this happening

>>106252789
Through the thousands of employees they just laid off of course!

>>106253926
apply to QA bro

>>106254767
stfu retard

>>106234313

In senior roles they actually do want that answer. Only junior roles do you have to keep it role focused.

>>106254264
>not paying attention to the latest news
recession time dawg

>>106254264
Lemme guess...developer? LMAO

>>106255128
At least im a retard with a job

>Applying for jobs
>Ain't getting shit
>Reach out to the uni I graduated from asking if I can schedule an appointment with the careers people
>Careers guy said he is busy but flicked over something for me
>It's with the Australian version of the glowies
>It's a graduate position
>The requirements have been what I have been doing in my spare time (Python and C programming, use of automatic deployment features which I do with my toy programs, Linux knowledge [daily drive Arch btw with a debian server])
>Starting salary if successful: 127k dollarydoos.
I'm probably getting my hopes up but fuck it, don't hit shots I don't aim at.

>>106252789
what a grotesque looking faggot blob

Applied to a job on a whim and now I actually have to talk with another human and try not to sound like I just want to kill myself.

Let's say i land an entry level job. 1-3 yoe. And then on the job i use chatgpt daily all the time. Would i catch an ick from my coworkers and manager?

>>106255698
>>It's with the Australian version of the glowies
Do you come from a land down under?
Honestly been thinking the same for glowies here in burgerland. The pay is pretty good, and the requirements seem low. Really curious what the catch is besides security clearance.

>>106257057
Yeah, land down under is where I call home. Honestly, seeing the job requirements both has me skeptical but also potentially excited that I can actually do it.

>>106256975
no

Is joining the Space Force as a Master Chief the only way to get a job these days?

>>106257068
Assuming Australia has similar security clearances like the USA, just be ready to tell all your friends and family to be called and interrogated about them, you, and your neighbors.
If you know any friends or family have any committed crimes, then you can probably say goodbye to that job.

>>106257111
Thankfully at most, it is a friend who got a speeding ticket once, so that's fine. And yeah, it seems I need to get a Negative Vetting 1 (Lowest level of security clearance to look at "secret" documents) and reading over the requirements, I seem to be fine. Haven't done anything illegal or caused any reason to be "untrustworthy".

>>106257141
>or caused any reason to be "untrustworthy".
nigger you are AUSTRALIAN

>>106257147
Ok, I'm "trustworthy" by Australian standards, which means in a professional environment I am straight laced, casually I'll make up shit just to stir shit.

>>106257141
That's good. Though now that I think about it, these days they'll look into social media accounts. I think at least. It's hard to tell. Just have to hope no one you know has been making weird comments on those.
Sounds like you ought to be fine though. Especially if you don't run your mouth.

>linkedin message from recruiter
>they want to call
>ask what time they're free
>they never respond
Happened a few times, this is the new normal

>>106257217
Maybe you should get a resume that isn't shit and actually learn to code? Just a thought.

>>106257363
Nah recruiters suck dick, I've been approached by a whole bunch of them over the years and they always ghost you at some point.

>>106257369
They ghost you because you're stupid.

>>106257383
They wouldn't approach me in the first place if I were.

>>106257363
They like my resume enough to message me.
I don't like your demotivational post, anon. Blaming candidates is cope, in the "I'm one of the good ones, I will surely be chosen" sense. Anyone who has been in the field for more than two years you'll see that the market isn't anything like it used to be.

>>106257217
Tell them a day and an hour and also that you are available at many other times. There is a reason they told you they told you they want to contact you

>>106257398
Little babby sad now that wuhan flu isn't printing money for IT retards? Learn to Code.

>>106253926
lol

>>106255698
>>106257057
I'm forever getting ads for GCHQ and other bits of the UK glowforce.
I keep getting tempted to apply but then remember I'm an eXtreme Right Wing Individual according their criteria, so would probably get black bagged after an interview

>fucked up 4 years of compsci. Bad mentals
>Rescued it in the last year with meds + top marks in final project
>Have 4 free months till I graduate

What'd you guys recommend I do with this time to make me as employable as I can be and get my foot in the door? UK based so x2 difficulty. I know the basics (build projects, go over past modules) but some more specific advice would be great.

I've done some research and an IT assistant seems easiest to break into then move into security then up or something else from there. Any thoughts on if this complete BS? Or is there a better pathway out there?

>>106257975
make good friends with anybody in university who knows somebody that can get you a job. if you dont you are going to be one of many unemployable cs grads.

>>106258003

Barely interacted with anyone on my course. It's really that bad?

>>106257975
Make fucking friends
Couple weeks of gaming, gym, sports, eating lunch/dinner together and then you hit them with "brooo where are you applying brooo"
Hit up your professors to see if they can refer you as well

>I've done some research and an IT assistant seems easiest to break into then move into security then up or something else from there.
Try it. But actually do it instead of just saying it here.

Dont forget to unwind each day after all that effort. Never Doom. Pray pray pray

If you have spare money, get Security+ certification. Or CEH. If you don't, ask your parents.

>>106257975
Also change you fucking nickname, dont talk negatively about yourself. Start spamming your resume now, at least 15 a week. Expect to be hired around February-April though.

>>106258109
>>106258130
Appreciate the advice. Positivity, grind, networking and recover well.

What would you guys recommend based on the job market? Gear myself more toward SWE roles or IT/security?

>>106258383
If you're comfortable splitting yourself into two, then apply to 10 swe jobs and 10 IT security jobs each week.

What matters most in the end is if you can pass those interviews at all

Mass applying means more chance to see what's the tests are like so you dont get anxious too much even if you fail on the first couple ones.

You can make a separate resume for swe jobs and security jobs, or you can just cram it into one. No more than 2 pages, though.

Anyway, i hope you take the time to strengthen your wrist, shoulders, and lower back at least 1 hour a day. The daily life of having a job can be very, very, very mentallly taxing and you might get chronic pain all of a sudden. Problem solving tasks is one thing, dealing with people is entirely different matter. Try not to give a shit too much. Unchecked stress --> awful coping method --> performance drop --> damaged self esteem --> physical pain.

Hug your mom and dad

What matters most is not getting the comfiest workplace or the highest salary, but having short commute and family who doesn't disrespect you.

>>106258383
With SWE you're going to be competing with people that have several years experience but have been laid off and are now desperately applying to anything, including grad jobs.
Helldesk is shit, it's customer services but with even more aggro. It's basically a deadend too and seen as not real IT.
Not sure about cybersec, but from what I hear the entry level stuff is just helpdesk stuff

>>106239887
this. I did a two day stint at a startup and did deliver on what they wanted but they still said no. They promised $1000 for the two days ~20 hours of work I put in and I still haven't been paid.
Might need to go to small claims court and sue these fags, I have it in writing that I sent an invoice and they agreed to pay.

I think I fucked another interview
the guy seemed happy enough with my experience which is a very good match but my answers were SO shaky and I went completely blank multiple times
god I hate this shit

I've failed 20 interviews in the last two months. I feel like the two years of my life that I spent learning front-end development were wasted. Those were two years of my youth haha, and now I'm going to be replaced by AI. What should I do? Switch to backend?

>>106258840
how old are you now? 25? 27?

>>106258863
24 bro. I am the breadwinner in my family, and since my family needs money, I simply have to work as a freelancer for minimal pay, competing with a million other Indians.

>>106258898
Yeah the market's fucked right now, not much else to it. Picky employers, ghost jobs, constantly less willing to pay well for hard work. It's fucked.

>>106258937
Why are employees still not protected from dismissal due to AI replacement? This is happening everywhere, but the legislation remains unchanged. My friend from Germany says that one AI replaced hundreds of technical support staff in one company, and the funny thing is that this AI can only answer basic questions, but the owner doesn't care, he just wants to get rid of potential customers with complaints.

>>106258946
I wouldn't worry too much about that, I suspect AI is another dot com bubble. Investors and big companies are investing billions into tech that, to this day, still can barely count how many R's are in the word strawberry. It's not going to replace human workers any time soon. At best they'll insist you use AI to "speed up development" at big retarded companies because of sunken cost fallacy.

>My friend from Germany says that one AI replaced hundreds of technical support staff in one company, and the funny thing is that this AI can only answer basic questions, but the owner doesn't care, he just wants to get rid of potential customers with complaints
And then that dumb idiot will go bankrupt when he stops getting customers. The system works as intended.

I have around 8 YOE writing enterprise java slop
Got approached by an oracle recruiter and have tech interview for IC2 in a week or so with what it seems 2 pajeets

tech interview is 60 minutes, hackerrank involved

I haven't done DSA or any of that stuff in years. None of that stuff is used writing enterprise java slop. How cooked am I? Any idea what I can expect?

>>106258985
I also don't think that AI will be able to completely replace workers, but it can make tasks 50%+ easier. Because of this, if companies previously needed 10 front-end developers, now they can perform the same number of tasks with 2-4 developers.

Customers won't leave because this company is a monopoly on the German market, haha

>>106259034
If there's a gap in the market (a company that does something that's got a lot of demand, but without using AI sloppa) *someone* will fill it.

And me personally, I don't think AI is that impressive yet. I got it to do a slightly more complex search and replace with good results (cause the variables that needed replacing were all named in a different way), but fixing bugs or implementing new features... eh.

>>106259059
Well, even chatGPT, which is not particularly focused on coding, can write a minimal copy of 4chan. This makes tasks 50% easier, as AI can write a skeleton that can then be refined and fleshed out.

>>106239585
This, I'm so dead inside it shows in interviews. Nothing pays enough for me to pretend to care, and if it does they're not hiring me because I'm not doing "networking" to befriend corpokikes.

>>106259146
of course it can, the source code is in it's training data
https://github.com/vichan-devel/vichan

>>106247450
I quit a data center technician job because it was 90% support for jeet WordPress "devs". They get hacked and do nothing but gaslight and deflect. They have you restore a vulnerable backup and can't understand how it's hacked again. You just churn through the same stupid motions and the company begs these retards to stay. I would rather shovel manure on a farm than work with jeets in any capacity.
I'm not even sure why corpos hire them, everything they do has to be reworked by a responsible adult at some point. The savings can't be worth doing the same job 10 times before it's right.

>>106240266
No idea. I have to assume they cast a very wide net and then drop people like a hot potato as better options get found.

Basing this on how they cold email random open source contributors based on finding them on mailing lists in the old days.

>>106243771
That's like solving inceldom by forming gay throuples.

>>106253870
Early life section reveals nothing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Deitke

Might well be Ashkenazi excellence at work though tbhdesu

>>106253926
Did you try riding the coattails of an open source project with real adoption so you can say software you wrote has X millions of bajillions of users?

>>106257158
straitlaced.

Little tip for anyone with experience looking for work, check out Disney. I’m not sure what’s going on with them, but my friend recently got hired and said it’s not jeeted, and that everyone is literally white/black/hispanic/east asian

Lord please let me have a FANG internship with a return offer before I graduate next year

>>106260001
You won't get it because you're not black, asian, blasian, jewish, female, trans or disabled
Sorry, anon.

>>106260545
My grandpa was black I'm like 1/4th black

>>106260001
>another developer crying
lmao, networkchads we keep fucking winning.

>>106260563
Not how it works. You and I have that pasty white incel chudster phenotype despite being 1/4 or even 1/2 black.
We're too nerdy to be "real" blacks

>>106260577
>>106260563
>>106260545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tyvvUas6G0

>>106259034
the "problem" with AI is that retarded middle managers never realized that it NEVER took 10 front-end developers to make a shitty e-commerce website. AI retards fucked up all our best scams and replaced them with different scams that don't even work

>>106260744
People knew after Elon pruned Twitter. Remember all those people saying Twitter was going to be dead within a week, then people found out you can maintain a massive social media with a few devs

>>106260931
twitter still barely works but probably because he just fired the wrong people

>>106260744
Fortunately the next wave of overpaid consultants will be advising to replace half of middle managers with AI.

>>106260931
He never fixed the backend issues with Twitter, though those issues existed with Jack as well and have never been addressed by anyone.

Read about Model Context Protocol and prepare a portfolio around it.

God be with you. Best of success to you.

>>106255232
It's been 'recession time' for like 3 years now

Anyone else in the thread losing Medicaid?

>>106261814
I lost medicaid, snap, and student aid last year for no reason.

>>106241518
Brain dead NEETs like you should all be rounded up and put into a labor camp

>>106261814
Haven't looked up the Medicaid changes so I don't know but I will lose SNAP. I can sell enough blood plasma each month to make up for that. If I get sick, guess everyone will absorb the cost through higher insurance due to me never paying the ER bill.
>>106262332
There's a reason but government workers aren't always the best about letting you know why. You have to be proactive to find out.

>>106245072
One of the few good things about California is them banning most non-compete employment contracts. Also if any part of an employment contract is found to be invalid, it invalidates the entire contract. So if they slip in a non-compete, you can work there, keep quiet about it, knowing you can always nuke the entire contract anytime you wish.

>>106262767
do employers really? I just got a job with pretty normal non-compete/nda type stuff but every clause has a sub-clause basically going
>where this clause conflicts with law of the land the law takes precedence and this clause is null
so you can't " nuke the entire contract anytime you wish" just because they forgot to update one thing

>>106262798
Companies put lots of unenforceable things in contracts to dissuade you from believing you can win against them. Want proof that it works? Your own post is that proof.

i fucking hate this industry

I applied to a place and have to do a CodeSignal before getting an interview greenlight. I know enough to pass the basics, but do I need to absolutely blow this out of the water?

Another day, another "we decided to move forward with another candidate" email.

>>106262976
but on the contrary, I sign them anyway because i know that i dont have to read them since whatever the actual law is is what matters and the contract is as enforceable as toilet paper

>>106263173
That's per week right?

>>106264439
Lmao, I laught at them now. I know that if the job wanted me they would reach out to me next day, and set up an interview that week. By the time you get that email they already made a decision on your shit, you're just too stupid to realize that.

>>106264684
That's what I've noticed. If it takes a month or more to get the email, they were already in the process of hiring someone else. That email is just their system finally closing the position and telling everyone they got fucked.
>you're just too stupid to realize that.
A bit rude you fucking nigger. kys

>>106264750
Would you rather I baby you, or give you the real deal information lmao?

>HE HASN'T AIRGAPPED HIS RESUME
HAHAHAHA

>>106265108
Except I already knew you fucking nigger, and you literally gave me the information plainly, aka no babying, but then tried to call my stupid for no fucking reason. But because you're a fucking stupid nigger I guess you can't help but be an ape at all times.

You are all fools, tech is dying get out of it. Thankfully I have a good pension saved uip and can hopefully reire early but tech itsekf?
Welcome to a cancerous workplace, shit hours and minimum wage. You would be better off working your way up in mcdonalds. it's over, wake up and spell the coffee. There are people with one or two decades of experience and enough non fake certifcations and masters to have walked into a job five years ago. The industry is packed with jeets with fake degrees and certs sitting staring at shit they have no clue how to do. Wages are collapsing. Its ogre and it's just going to get worse. There is a vast oversupply of non fake qualified people and an infinity of jeets hiring jeets fake people. The days when IT payed good money and had a chance of full time employement with benifits are dying befor eyour eyes. Unles syou are in teh third world and 15 dollars an hour is big moey to you it is dead, dead dead, find something else to do and quick. This is not because of AI, its becase of shit like azure killing local severs and in house development plus many systems bacically never needing changing again for a lot of SMEs and virtualisation making running anciet shit forever valid. Its fucking over. Too many people, too few jobs, hourly rates and wages collapse. You think it will be better wehn you have ten years or a masters and a CISSP and Csico certs and C++ and Python and machine learning? These are the people who can't get work. You are all screwed. Don;t go down with the titanic, get out, get a union job.

LinkedIn posts that criticize Gen Z for their supposed incompetence or "annoying" behavior are often a form of demoralization. These posts, which claim that new employees are useless and should already be experts, are misleading.

The reality is that entry-level jobs, internships, and even junior roles are meant for learning. It's the responsibility of mentors and senior employees to teach and guide you. Influencers especially some recruiters and HR professionals who complain about Gen Z being lazy or unemployed are often doing more harm than good. They may simply be looking for reasons not to invest in training and fair compensation.

Don't be fooled into thinking you need to have numerous certifications, extensive experience, and mastery of multiple tools before you even land a job. This is often a tactic to lowball your salary.

This kind of disparity is clear when comparing job markets. In many developed countries, a decent salary might require proficiency in just a few key areas, while in developing countries, you might need to be skilled in twice as many things just for minimum wage. This leads to a situation where experienced professionals with advanced degrees and certifications are forced to compete with recent graduates for entry-level salaries.

If you have a strong skill set and expertise, seek out a workplace that will reward you fairly for your talents. Don't let yourself be convinced that you're "not good enough."

Your first job is important, but after a few years of experience, you'll be as capable as anyone else. Don't be afraid to ask for a higher salary in your next role.

>>106265560
Meds.

>>106265605
Truth, you just down wnat to here it and I am in a real tech hub. A masters ten years experience a cissp and cisco won't get you more than 15$ an hour onsite contract doing shit work. IT is in a state of collapse and was before the recent jeet swarm. Data centre trolly work is minimum wage here now, its like working for amazon in a warehouse too. It is fucking over and has been for a while.

>>106265581
>The reality is that entry-level jobs, internships, and even junior roles are meant for learning.
And a decade of experince is usless too. You're deluded and have no idea how bad the employment market is, there are more recruiters than there are actual jobs at this stage. IT peaked a long time ago and it's on the top of a long slop down, there will inevitably be another recession and capex freeze and at that point all the useless jeets will get dumped on the street as well. IT admin, infosec, DBA etc and dev as well as test are all saturated with low talent with fake CVs chasing no jobs. Crap like machine learning and data analytics is fcked as well as is fintech

>>106265621
fighting the pandas in the Syrian river will prove to protect your system from the prompt level is to be bypassed with prompt injection. I've been injecting since I was 15 year old, when you add those three things into the mix, it mix the system very brittle in the Aquarium.

>>106265641
So what do you suggest?

>>106265699
Live at home with your parents and collect NEET bux.

I'm a 24 year old who is about to graduate with a zoology degree and I am realizing that I'm going to need a better degree if I want to do the things I want in life. I have the means to get another bachelors and I am considering going into CS to be a software engineer

I don't have any experience with coding aside from object based programming and data analysis in Python and JavaScript. Yet I feel that this field could potentially lead to me where I wanna be in life: a WFH job, living on the west coast, being able to travel every so often.

I'm just very hesitant to get a degree because all I'm hearing is how utterly fucked the job field is. Pajeet outsourcing is taking away jobs from Americans and the few remaining positions are being given to H1B visas. Thousands are laid off every few weeks and AI is on the verge of replacing all the beginner level jobs, making it even harder for people to get their foot in the field. All I hear about CS is doom and gloom

Is all of this true or does this just all apply to people who just aren't skilled or really pushing themselves to do their best?

I got laid off and I'm not even applying for jobs. I'm just relaxing. It's so nice. I wish I had gotten laid off earlier.

>>106255974
That image is enough research for me to know they're too gay for me.

>>106265721
Apply for like 50 jobs in a month then see what happens.

>>106265721
Skip another bachelors and conisder masters degree in CS. Yes the job market is fucked. Also since its a masters you need to do some preliminary self education like CS50 from Harvard which is free, read some books on CS and follow some guided projects on youtube.

Masters degree are 1.5-2x the amount of work per class.

>>106265800
Masters degree are 1.5-2x the amount of work per class.
Isn't masters only have like 3 classes per semester?
My compsci has like 6 subject but we actually have like 10 classes and it was hell.
If i wasn't dealing with so much drama at home i could've get 3.2 GPA

>>106255199
yeah, it's surprising when you hit that point when companies care more about who you are than what you've done. good feel desu. makes sense for senior roles because of the role you end up having establishing company culture.

>>106265839
Just in general its much harder. But if you career swap with a masters degree into Tech or Engineering related fields then you need to pre study for it. Atleast it would save you 4 years of schooling to move to another career but its much much harder to complete a masters degree in general.

>>106265581
What is with the overinflation of entry level jobs to begin with? Do people not want to teach in the name of efficiency, even if that fucks up the future workforce?

THRICE THE WORK FOR QUARTER THE PAY

to get an entry level job you need to have internship experience, to get an internship you need to have ????

A. At least 3.2 GPA before the 5th semester
B. Organization experience
C. Projects (even if it's just semester projects)
D. Referrals
E. Certifications
F. Decent soft skills

Order this 6 based on most to least importance

>>106265937
A. only
You can lie and fluff the shit out of the rest i am not joking. Also just apply anyways. You can get a second best app for internships. Sometimes there is not enough people applying.

>>106265754
I'm in construction now and get laid off every winter. It's peak.

Is there any reasons why certificates aren't part of the uni course? Seems like it kills two birds with one stone, gets students to get the certificates they need for their career path and the degree to confirm their competence.

>>106265937
G. Connections
it's not what you know, it's who you know. or who you blow. depending on your circumstances

>>106265975
Certs are alot harder than actual college classes. Last thing a college wants is more competition in the field of credentials. Also failure rate is higher so kids are likely to drop out if they fail that cert test multiple times.

>>106265975
because unis are greedy bastards, the professors are old incompetent fucks yet spouts demoralizing shit on every lecture, gives pointless assignments, or gives difficult assignment while only teaches very basic stuff.

>>106265997
sorry, not incompetent but out of touch. sometimes it's both.

>>106265937
all worthless can't you fucking read, IT employment is collapsing

>>106265997
Universities are jus visa mills for jeets these days most don;lt gove a fuck and tolerate cheating and plagarism, most CS degress are not worth wiping your ass on when it comes to finding a job

>>106265996
Gatekeeping the career path again might unironically be a way to fix things again, but Universities and colleges don't want that, they want more people in debt paying them off.

>>106233819
>I got eight years experience in web development.
There is no such thing as web developement, you are cabale of using glorified word processor and script kiddying It is not IT work and never has been and it pays peanuts. You have been automated out of existence and you don't even know it.

>>106234190
>I'm in the UK, it's over here.
Same in Ireland. There are more comp sci grads driving taxis then there are working in technology.

>>106266038
ok you can try it but for as many shitposts you can make on reddit, there will be 400,000 human employees backed up by AI spamming "Learn to Code" everywhere in the MSM forever

>>106266038
Colleges made sense before
You spend roughly 2000hrs for 4ish years so 10hrs a week to complete a bachelors. Roughly same amount of hours but 2 years for a masters degree and get within the ball park of competent for the job. Add in clubs and internships and you are mostly functional in the work place.

Certs cut most of the bullshit and you can spend at max 200-500hrs or less per cert if you read all of the material/supporting material related to it and get more relevant information in 2000hrs through certs than you ever would with a degree. The cert also acts as a better filter than degrees since most colleges are barely teaching you anything unless you take a masters degree in the same subject.

>>106266084
the main problem with college, at least for CS nerds, is that modern CS programs don't teach the actual fundamentals, the actual fundamentals don't actually matter unless you're a very high level engineer, and even if colleges were competent the "CERTIFICATES AND DEGREES ARE NOT ACCOMPLISHMENTS" meme will forever be real

>>106266023
doesn't have to be necessarily IT or SWE you tard nigger

>>106266100
Don't ever forget this one either
"COLLEGES ARE NOT JOB PROGRAMS"
Great meme from retards with college debt in artistinal clothes folding from naked indigenous tribes in brazil (studies).

>>106265482
You sound upsetty spgaghetti lmao. Too many rejecty letty? LMAO oh so saddy waddy LOL you poor? no job? Well you better go catch it HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

>>106240338
>do you really think merit rules this world?
Would you entrust a retard who does powerpoints all day to re-configure an entire database? No? Well, then it really does matter what you know, doesn't it? This retarded ass mentality that prioritizes social formalities over competence is what creates competence crises. If it isn't going to be your dumbfuck team of ADHD diagnosed tiktok scrolling stack overflow junkies that gets the work done it'll be the kind of guy that you hate the most. You'll find yourself in a situation where you need to hire those oh-so-icky-incel nerds as contractors to build shit for you. This business model will end up costing you more money in the long run since you're footing the bill to both babysit retards and keep the lights on. By the time your shit breaks again (because your team doesn't know what they fuck they're doing when it's maintenance time), you'll get another contractor to help you fix it.

So the lesson here is to do certs instead of university/college, working your ass off of those? Can those be naturally gatekept due to difficulty or is there a possibility of it failing the same way uni/college did by lowering the bar just to get more money in?

>>106266038
>Gatekeeping the career path again


a)Local servers are dying as Microsoft and Amazon and salesforce pitch to CEOs and directors.
b)Onsite deskops and routers are run by service companies that offer only monkey pay and conditions
c)Datacentre work is badly paid shift work that means running around with trollies
d)DBA is dying as MS-SQL moves to Azure and shity resellers have 1 DBA for 30 clients who is being paid less than a middle manager.
e)Virtual machines allowed the retention of old systems forever and they are never going to be replaced, are easy to backup and work
f)There are less jobs every day and more graduates every year
g)Jeets have ruined the workplace, they are horrible to deal with and frequently have no real qualifications or experience. The will also stare at a screen pretending they know what they are doing for minimum wage
i)Cyber security is going to get eaten alive by AI the whole idea of a NOC or SOC is obsolete as are the people in it.
j)Paymens processing is well established and has no need to evolve further
k)There is no return on invenstmenst in certifications whwich COST and EXPLIRE
l)There are to many 'data analysts' cut and pasting python code from web searches and more graduatinng every year
m)There are no jobs in C, assembly or what used to be real development. Its all garbage in pythod flooded with fake CV jeets cut and pasting
n)Azure is shit to work with, so is AWS
o)All companies now see IT as completely expendible and obsolete compared to outsouring and services

IT IS OVER. You can't gatekeep where the gate was entirely removed for 20 years to the point that HR stopped even verifying qualifications and references

'I'm a web developer'
fuck off and die you never developed anything instead you shit out wordpress because you're a fucking cut and pastejeet. Within a year chatGPT will be able to shit out an entire site on verbal prompts from end users

Information technology as a creer is over it is the new mcdonalds

>>106266139
>Would you entrust a retard who does powerpoints all day to re-configure an entire database? No?
I wouldn't but globe-spanning megacorps do this shit every single day

>>106266147
honestly, if I could go back I would at most get an associates, grab a CCNA and try and slink into a job with clearance with that.

>>106266139
People literally believe in tabula rasa that everyone can be trained to the same levels of competence. Its why HR roasties and non Tech/IT/Engineering retards are preferential hiring of retard socialites just like them. Its so bad that NASA gets all of the DEI hires but their entire teams are supplemented with contractors who do the actual work.

>>106266147
>So the lesson here is to do certs instead of university/college, working your ass off of those?
The lesson is find another career because iT is fucking dead.
https://www.aei.org/technology-and-innovation/technology-innovation/are-software-jobs-collapsing/

>>106266147
most jobs still require bachelor degrees

>>106266148
how much do you make currently?

>>106266167
>bachelor degrees
You may ass well roll that up and stuff it up your ass for all the good it will do you

>>106266153
>>106266159
And yet we all wonder why the new shit that hits the market sucks ass, why airplanes are now poorly constructed, and why everything made by microsoft runs like a snail moving through thick mounds of cow shit. How the fuck did we get here? There was this meme a while back that basically explained how normie socialites are basically social parasites that fuck everything up the moment they're let into any kind of dedicated space and i've been trying to find it ever since. I think it's called the game maker's dilemma or some shit like that.

>>106266173
From IT? Nothing. From other sources 200K (roughy, mainly leased agri land). IT is FUCKED and it had been for a while now.

>>106266167
What jobs?

>>106266167
You're a massive retard.

>>106266188
Its this but really as always 20% does 80% of the work. The government wants that trickle down economics and forced it upon us. Not to mention they also want their cut.

>>106266187
then why bother posting here?

>>106266211
I have loved tech my whole life I'm eer for the board and other boards but I see this thread and am just poping your fuciing delusion bubble. The tech scene here in Ireland is OVER.

>>106266224
Haven't they moved data centers to your backwater country?

>>106266148
>a)Local servers are dying as Microsoft and Amazon and salesforce pitch to CEOs and directors.
Why are there so many sys admin roles?
>b)Onsite deskops and routers are run by service companies that offer only monkey pay and conditions
Helldesk, yeah these are going away unless you actually touch the desktop for the HR/Payroll sluts
>c)Datacentre work is badly paid shift work that means running around with trollies
This job is completely gone, network engineers manage the datacenter; not "datacenter techs".
>d)DBA is dying as MS-SQL moves to Azure and shity resellers have 1 DBA for 30 clients who is being paid less than a middle manager.
Banks still got it because they are super behind the times. But yeah, DBA used to be a "sink or swim" industry that could take retards off the street. Not no more.
>e)Virtual machines allowed the retention of old systems forever and they are never going to be replaced, are easy to backup and work
Fair.
>f)There are less jobs every day and more graduates every year
HAHAHAHA fuck them.
>g)Jeets have ruined the workplace, they are horrible to deal with and frequently have no real qualifications or experience. The will also stare at a screen pretending they know what they are doing for minimum wage
True
>i)Cyber security is going to get eaten alive by AI the whole idea of a NOC or SOC is obsolete as are the people in it.
Cyber will be shitted on, but I don't know about the NOC being put away. A lot of secure environments need an active NOC.

>>106266205
>>106266206
i live in third world thankfully and i'm coming over to take your job

>>106266224
what delusion? i don't live for you and you don't feed or pay me.

>>106266228
>j)Paymens processing is well established and has no need to evolve further
True.
>k)There is no return on invenstmenst in certifications whwich COST and EXPLIRE
This is where you're dead fucking wrong. I won't even go into how far Sec+ gets you, tons of tech jobs now require this shit. Especially for gov. agencies or secured environments. It's how I built my career without a tech centered bachelors. I would not be where I am right now without certs, and this is within the last 4 years.
>l)There are to many 'data analysts' cut and pasting python code from web searches and more graduatinng every year
Yeah, fuck developers. They are the biggest know nothing grifters of the past 20 years and I'm glad they are getting raped.
>m)There are no jobs in C, assembly or what used to be real development. Its all garbage in pythod flooded with fake CV jeets cut and pasting
Welp, again, fuck devs. They where never really into tech.
>n)Azure is shit to work with, so is AWS
Lmao, no one should want to work for Microshit and Amazon, they do layoffs every fiscal year. No, I won't tell you where to apply.
>o)All companies now see IT as completely expendible and obsolete compared to outsouring and services
Fucking wrong, you're a retard for saying that shit.

>>106266235
lmao good luck. Do NOT touch my windshield when I drive by, I will shoot you in the shin.

>>106265888
look how nobody is answering to this.

>>106266235
>what delusion? i don't live for you and you don't feed or pay me.
None of these people are going to get steady well paying work in IT it is as bad in the US as it is here. They would be better off qualifying as nurses or plumbers which won't pay a fortune but they will get work at more than minimum

>>106265888
>Do people not want to teach in the name of efficiency
Why the fuck should I teach you anything?

>>106266255
oh so you're just a deranged schizoid. noted

>>106266262
bachelor degrees are still necessary then, just maybe don't go to compsci.

>>106265888
Teaching costs money idiot, how about you come in KNOWING something and out skill your competition? Fuck you.

>>106266272
Because when you retire, your retirement years is going to be filled with worse products than when you started your job.

>>106265888
>What is with the overinflation of entry level jobs to begin with?
Too many applicants
>>106266105
better other degress to hire from then, like math for example. Being able to do some python or java is not a life skill.

>>106266276
No, I will not buy your roses off the side of the street stay the fuck away from my car and you smell.

>>106266207
>The government wants that trickle down economics and forced it upon us.
It's isn't that, but short sighted investors who are highly fixated on "portfolio line go up" while the floor beneath them is breaking away at the seams. Ever hear about the "cost effective" term being thrown around in engineering circles? That shit is pushed by sales teams looking to make numbers on paper look good.

They'll try anything to cut corners: using hotel key cards as measuring devices for part tolerances instead of using calipers, using dish soap as lubricant for mechanical devices, using frayed shitty chink wiring for power delivery, reusing damaged or defective parts in new production lines, using plastic for critical automotive parts like oil pans and radiator pipes, hiring H1B fags from bumfuck hyderabad at $3.50/hr to make bloated corpo jankware, you name it. These finance morons will only notice when the walls and the concrete foundation in that new billion dollar property they bought at a markup starts to look more like a chinese shitshack made from cardboard, rice krispies and brittle clay textured to look like stucco.

"Entry level" is such a fucking misnomer these days when the bar for entry keeps getting higher and higher while the bar for the part to start earning for the entry keeps going lower and lower.

>>106266159
to be fair, pretty much everything in "tech" (modern consoomer computing) is made by people, for people, using tools far removed from natural processes, designed along guidelines that don't have to care about core properties of the material world let alone anything actually intuitive. when it comes to using a computer, you can train birds to do it, let alone HR roasties and DEI hire jeets. companies just choose not to for cost reasons, and barely-competent would-be-hell-deskers refuse to for "gatekeeping".

>>106266188
>How the fuck did we get here?
i hate to sound like a boomer but i think it's a lack of passion. people just don't care. it used to be nobody cared as long as nobody died but even that is fading away. to quote a shitty youtuber, Boeing used to have the engineers participate in test flights. as in, they would have to sit in the cabin as the plane took off, circled about, and landed. That enforces "skin in the game" to make sure your designs work. these days, people work on things that they will never, ever use, so even if they do care on an ethical level they don't know what to care about because they don't use the product they create/support.

It's why I'm a big proponent of "total force" concepts and heavy cross-training. If I, the IT dustman, has to support something that is only used by naval engineers, I better know at least the surface level of the equipment the stuff I gotta support has to actually touch in real life. Likewise, when the naval engineers do their nonsense, I would hope that they have an appreciation of how many times they'll crash my servers and how many inches of water I can tolerate being in my space at a time.

>>106266292
For you.

>>106266276
>bachelor degrees are still necessary then, just maybe don't go to compsci.
Sure but engineering is not great either, bulding engineering nursing etc. Things are not going so well dispite the press in any sector in the US or China or Europe but especially tech. I do think the knwledge on how to chage a dressing for example is less trancisent than something like a programming language or proproitory system which tend to become obsolete every 5-10 years or so. Carpentry, pluming trades are betetr bets than infotech or fintech right now

>>106266280
>Because when you retire, your retirement years is going to be filled with worse products than when you started your job.

You assume I will use anything made after 2017 or avail of skanky cloud 'services'.

>>106266319
enjoy your AI powered IoT lightswitch when you move into a new house after you CHIPP Reverse Mortgage your old one

>>106266294
>i hate to sound like a boomer but i think it's a lack of passion. people just don't care.
You aren't wrong about any of that. I would like to add on that most of this is because of a financial incentive to build shit cheaply and quickly. The "it's not about what you know, it's about who you know" phenomenon has a lot to do with social bias and sabotage for personal gain.

>>106266294
>i hate to sound like a boomer but i think it's a lack of passion. people just don't care.
befor epeople got into tech becaus ethey played with 8 and 16 bit computers as kids, learned to program as kids, found conecting copouters remotely magical and loved the subject just as a nerd hobby. I still do, I still write C and make stuff for my own purpses.

Then came a wave of people post 1999 that got a degree simply because they thought
computer job = money
Quite often they don't have the degree or even the knowledge but are just expert liars now, they don't like computing have never even built a PC or written something for fun and quite often they hate anyone who actually likes computers at all becaus ethey hate them. They do very bad work and are expert in office politics and passing the buck. Many are Indians.

They are all usless and complex systems are atrophying or simply being shut down under a tide of people who only touched computinng for moneny, Now there is not even money in it or even a job. There are fewer jobs, more graduates and more unemployed every year and it requires less and less skilled workforce due to the resurgence in centralised computing, software as a service and disposable end user devices. See salesforce, azure, aws android phones etc etc. It is fucking OVER.

>>106266342
I'm very wealthy fortunately, enough so my children don't even have to work as things get worse. Mainly due to inheiritance. You are fucked though. Get a new career quick.

man makes plans and god laughs.
what would you do to ensure your kid doesn't end up browsing this thread in 2050?

>>106266285
we'll build a mosque next to your house and my dad will marry your little sister

>>106266469
Not reproduce.

>>106266469
bust fat nuts only in creatures to ensure i don't procreate in the first place

>>106266482
Oh you're arabic, lmao. I'm actually cool with you guys.

>>106266139
>Would you entrust a retard who does powerpoints all day to re-configure an entire database?
you are assuming that people are only competent or retarded. guess what: tons of people are competent yet still don't get jobs. it's called unemployment and it's part of capitalism: as long as there are unemployed people, capitalists can keep wages in control
also, you have to find ways to get a job and that's a skill on itself, especially in times like this where a lot of people are being fired. if you think you are special for being able to "re-configure an entire database", I've got bad news for you...

>>106266642
>as long as there are unemployed people, capitalists can keep wages in control
This would have a much better delivery if you talked about how competition is limited by lobbying for regulations, lawsuits and buyouts in select industries which gives way to this phenomenon. Also, high unemployment either means decreased capital which means less competition and/or less demand for goods. This isn't as deliberate as you'd think. Market dynamics can be tricky business

>>106266685
>muh government bad
>muh capitalists good
capitalists literally own the government. it doesn't matter if it's a "communist", liberal or conservative government.

>>106266821
Any body who wields any form of regulatory power is the government, jackass. It's not exclusively defined by "capitalists". These business elites are the ones who are leasing government power, They don't own the government, they're just one of many interest groups that do much of the same fucking thing.

>>106241518
holy kekity kek kek kek

>>106241518
IRL networking was the default boomer's way back in the day, though there was also plenty of nepotism. The networking bit moved to social media which tends to alienate and atomise people, so younger generations don't know how to do it.

someone pls bake

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>>106267214
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