Thread 106297042

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.
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Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
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>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, Vision (Compact), Antec C8
AVOID: NXZT, 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, Corsair 6500

>CPU
Budget: 9600X, 7600X, 7500f
Gaming: AMD X3D
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
AVOID Shittel

>COOLER
AIO: Best Value: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Premium LCD: TRYX Panorama
Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Mugen 6 Dual Fan/TR AXP120-X67

>MOTHERBOARD
Avoid purchases for new builds but if you have an ASRock mobo and Zen 5 CPU update it to the latest BIOS ASAP which may or may not solve the melting issue.

>RAM
Gaming: DDR5 2x16GB 6000CL30
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: NM790
Mid range: SN7100
Premium: SN850X
Flagship: SN8100

>GPU
1080p: RX 9060 XT 16GB, Poorfag Esports Gaming: Used GPU between $100-$250
1440p: RX 9070 XT, RX 9070, Budget: RX 9060 XT 16GB
4K:Used RTX 4090, RX 9070 XT
Workstation: Used RTX 4090 or RTX 3090 ti
AVOID RTX 50 Series: False advertising "5070=4090 performance!!", unsafe power connector, broken drivers, overpriced compared to RDNA 4 in most regions, threatening reviewers, manipulating and faking reviews, evil anti-consumer company etc.
ALWAYS pair AMD GPUs with AMD CPUs for SAM https://imgur.com/a/6XSNJ9b

>PSU
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
https://www.rtings.com/monitor

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Mid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
High end: Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2

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>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: might launch in Q4 '25, 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.
ASUS WOLED with TrueBlack Glossy film launched (XG32UCWMG, XG32UCWG). Limited availability.

>Product Notice
Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

Avoid updating Gigabyte motherboard's RGB controller firmware, as it can disable board features such as Q-Flash Plus.

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

Remove all NVIDIA GPUs from the OP as per Steve Nexus

AMD won

>>106297061
>antiNvidia
GN said AMD just needs to shutup recently also.

this thread has gotten useless after the amd shill hijacked it
man I'm so tired of all the shills, psyops, bots and propaganda on the internet all the time
you guys fucking ruined internet forever

>>106297061
Why does steve speak fluent chinese?

>>106297141
No one is stopping you from talking about nvidia. People who cry about X outnumber X posts 10 to 1. I'm tired of you.

>>106297042 (OP)
any recs for monitors that are both good enough for gaming and design work? preferably under 600 us and ips. Oled has been shit to me in the past

>>106297141
>All that impotent seething
Is this what constant novideo driver issues does to a man's psyche?

>>106297061
"NVIDIA is bad for you, but I run them because I need the best," Steve.

>>106297154
You need to speak mandarin to smuggle GPUs.

>>106297042 (OP)
where's the best place to sell my 4090

>>106297266
The 5090 isn't worth it over a 4090.

>>106297266
If I wasn't about to drop money on an embody chair I would have wanted it.

Why dont amdretards play games?

Guys i finally got a girl to agree to come back to my parents house and as soon as she say my 9070xt, FX 8100, and Lisa Su shrine she started laughed and just left. I'm going to be a virgin forever and it's because I can't afford a 5090 and Core Ultra 285k

>>106297317
I'm Brazilian and even I can afford those. Just work and save up money.

>>106297317
I've seen other threads of guys bragging they were homeless living under a bridge and bringing girls back to fuck. I don't think you can blame this one on your pc.

UE4 game with raytracing enabled, amd literally doesn't have the technology to do this.

>>106297288
I've had an embody chair for over 10 years; it's not worth it. Get a comfy leather chair from an office supply store for 1/3 of the price unless you're a swamp ass mf'er then get something with breathable mesh. Best chair I ever had was a leather cushion office chair I bougth for $150 over 20 years ago. I miss that thing

>>106297338
>homeless
>bringing girls back to fuck
they fucked them under the bridge?

>>106297276
Appreciate the advice but that's not why I'm selling it. It's mostly unused

>>106297350
If posts on 4chan can be believed it would appear so. Some guys just have that kind of charisma.

Guys i finally got a girl to agree to come back to my parents house and as soon as she say my RTX 5090, Core Ultra 9 285k and AI generated porn on my monitor screen she started laughing and just left. I'm going to be a virgin forever and it's because Im addicted to cooming to AI slop. Fuck you for doing this to me Jensen.

>>106297061
I just don't care about chinks getting GPUs, Steve.

>>106297343
>Get a comfy leather chair from an office supply store for 1/3 of the price
Hello no, I'm not doing that again.

Be honest with me, is the X780E chipset significantly better than the B850? I have a 3070ti and my current mobo is on death's door so I'm looking for an upgrade that might last me until the GPU starts to show it's age.

>>106297317
I show girls I bring home my anime figures. They often says "that's cute!"

>>106297342
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgpdFF9ppis&t=184s
>We can see that these are based off an RTX SDK from Nvidia. That is a software development kit that was provided by Nvidia, which is optimized for their RTX cores on their graphics cards, which is why when I tested these games out on the Intel B580, they also ran really bad, too. So, AMD is already at a huge disadvantage here.
>All the games that have issues are using a proprietary SDK that only works properly with Nvidia gpus
>UE 4 games like Ghostwire: Tokyo that don't use the SDK have no issue
Yet another example of njudea unfairly sabotaging their competitors performance like they did with tessellation, hairworks etc. Then their army of jeet shills and unpaid fanboys come to discussion forums like this and disingenuously misrepresent the problem to sell GeForce hardware. kys shill

The Blackwell® is Trump approved.
The Blackwell is a super, duper, advanced chip™.

>>106297440
It's NVIDIA driver issues when games can't get the 5080 to draw over 200W of power (over 45% spare power headroom).
But it's NVIDIA sabotaging UE4 RT games. Kys shill.

>>106297475
This part was comedy gold but also grim at the same time

>>106297475
>Pedo Zion Don loves nvidia
More proof that nvidia = njudea and any PC with a GeForce card is a tool of satan.

>>106297440
It ran much better on intel hardware than amd's. Only AMD hardware has those 0fps 1% lows which doesn't happen on intel arc.

>>106297494
Wow its almost like the 5080 isnt being utilized fully because this is a cpu limited test and GeForce driver overhead (documented and well known issue for years) hence the lower power draw because it is just waiting a lot of the time. What are you even crying about with this retard?

>>106297506
>>106297475
based I love Nvidia even more. You have no cards :)

>>106297440
You and that TechYesCity guy would have a point if Radeon RT didn't stutter on AMD-friendly dev engines like Sony's proprietary one.
RDNA cards were also shitting the bed on games like Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart.

>>106297535
Over 45% power deficit can't just be waved away by a driver overhead.
The amount of power consumed by a fucking 5080 in that game is what's expected out of a 5060.
Get the fuck out of here.

Looking at moving from office to a living room PC, necessitates a motherboard change at the least.

Should I take this opportunity to upgrade the CPU/RAM or just stick with what I have? The TV is 4k but I'm happy to stick to 1440p. Similar question for the GPU but outside of raytracing performance I gather theres not a huge leap in GPUs from the 6800XT at least for the price. Got a young son so spending 3-4k aussie bucks on a GPU is out of the question.

>>106297548
>Retarded nvidiot doubling down on not understanding how pcs work and that components use less sometimes much less power when not fully utilized
People literally cap their fps to get lower power usage and temps on their gpu for this very reason dumbass.

>>106297475
Holy fucking based, patriots are back in control of not only the government but of pc tech.

>>106297583
You're the shithead who can't understand 45% of spare power headroom in a new FPS with unrestricted performance settings (no FPS limiter) @ 1440p is a massive outlier.

i’ve used amd in my last build 4 years ago, but recently started getting green screens and crashes. loads windows half the time, but locks going into safe mode. so building a new one.
was looking forward to going back to intel and some thread popped up about how it’s slow and needs a nuclear rod per core to power it and that everyone uses amd now. even googled it, pic related.

so going amd again. is the thread description still a good route for the gamer tier? i dont need fancy lights. a lot of the shit on pcpartpicker looks old. it used to recommend the latest popular stuff.

>>106297562
6800xt lacks good upscaling support that rx9000 and all rtx cards have and are required for 4k gaming
An rtx5070ti or rx9070xt would be a huge upgrade over your GPU in raster with dlss or fsr4

>>106297627
Does the upscaling support improve the quality of upscaling or just the performance of it?

Thus far whenever I've enabled FSR or any other supported upscaler I can very clearly see smearing that is very evident with stuff like foliage or other fine details in scenes.

I appreciate the headsup though, between PC purchase I don't really keep up with the tech

>>106297494
Does Steve need to clarify his results in a twitter post or podcast again?

>>106297636
Basically the same for 4k

>>106297636
He only tested the 9800X3D + 5080 combination for 4K like the bitch he is.
Not surprising he picked a spot that makes the Green card look bad, because he makes a living out of feeding outrage bait.

>>106297634
Mostly quality but certain upscalers can provide slightly better performance than others
Unfortunately, the fsr versions (1 to 3.1) supported by the 6800xt has by far the worst quality where the quality setting looks worse than the balanced setting on fsr4/dlss2-4. If you were to normalize the comparison for image quality, those new upscalers would provide upwards of 30% better performance for the same image quality as fsr3.1.

>>106297614
That benchmark you just posted is using a 9800x3d on the least cpu intensive map in the game so it is totally gpu bound. The HUB video you are kvetching about literally shows a gpu bound scenario too and that 5080 will draw its full power and be faster in said scenario. GeForce driver overhead is real and no amount of your coping will change this.

>>106297677
>on the least cpu intensive map in the game so it is totally gpu bound
Explain the 30 FPS deficit compared to >>106297656 you dumbass.
Because Steve didn't test a "totally gpu bound" 4K scene.

>>106297636
>>106297656
So glad I got a $480 trade in for my 4070 super to buy a 5070 ti.

>>106297636
why is the AMD card worse than the nvidia last gen card?

>>106297350
I used to live in a conversion van and I was able to get girls to fuck in it. In my experience, if you give them the tingles they don't really care about much else

>>106297673
>The HUB video you are kvetching about literally shows a gpu bound scenario too and that 5080 will draw its full power
There's not a single clip in that HWUB video where you see a 5080 drawing the base 360W power limit, but that isn't Steve's fault.

>GeForce driver overhead is real
No one is denying this, but to say the driver overhead is completely responsible for the 5080 only drawing 180W in 1440p BF6 is retarded.

>>106297715
AMD said they weren't competing in the high end.

>>106297673
that sounds promising, I'm happy with current performance but I've definitely noticed the trend of games to rely on the upscaling. I might look at going the 9070 route. I'm a linux enjoyer and im huffing copium that they will allow anticheats on linux one day soon so I'd like to keep linux support in my back pocket.

Do you think the 12400f is likely to be a bottleneck for the 9070?

>>106297727
If you give up and just suck then your enemies win?

interesting strategy!

>>106297734
Canada strategy tier.

>>106297715
POODNA architecture cannot scale up to compete with 4090 at less than 2000w

>>106297698
The liberation peak map is the easiest to run for both the gpu and cpu. The 9070 XT gets higher fps there too. You are crying right now because Steve didn't test on the exact same map in the exact same place as another benchmarker you grabbed off youtube to affirm your fanboy biases.

>>106297141
just make a normal thread and report this shill thread
this whole thread is so far brand flamewars only anyway

>>106297731
yeah upscaling started out as a performance enhancer but these days, devs are using it as a crutch to get acceptable performance so everyone without a new amd gpu or rtx gpu is getting screwed over by upscaling.
12400f should be enough for the 9070 at 4k unless you play cpu heavy games where an upgrade to a 13600k or 14600k (avoid the i7 and i9s) would give you substantially more performance for minimal cost

>>106297742
I'm pointing out it's Steve playing the same tiresome game of finding scenes that make the Green card look worse.
Look what Mr. "NVIDIA sabotaged UE4 RT" got at 4K high (less GPU demanding than Steve or TPU's Ultra setting
Now you're seeing the card draw nearly 300W while using a lower 4K graphics settings.

>>106297762
It is fine to have multiple different OPs with different opinions and perspectives, go back to plebbit. The only ones causing problems is nvidia fanboys inciting a flamewar to derail the thread if the OP doesnt glaze jensen.

>>106297731
>I might look at going the 9070 route. I'm a linux enjoyer
9070 is very good on linux
FSR4 actually works better because you don't need to wait for AMD to whitelist games in the driver lmao
>im huffing copium that they will allow anticheats on linux one day soon so I'd like to keep linux support in my back pocket
if you're talking about kernel-level anticheat that will never happen, ever
>Do you think the 12400f is likely to be a bottleneck for the 9070?
eh maybe
if you're gonna replace the board anyway might as well look at some AMD options
i say this as a 14700K owner, this platform is only worth it if you want lots of cores for cheap AND you're willing to tinker with it manually

Got a new case that I want to use, but I'm unsure if I should bother moving my AM4 build to it and installing the 9070xt I ordered, or if I should wait to get AM5 parts since I'd pretty much be building the PC from scratch anyway.

>>106297783
>>106297806
Thanks for the info guys much appreciated im off to work now but ill run through a build a bit later with this information.

>>106297799
>inciting a flamewar
You're the one spreading bullshit conspiracy theories of why Radeon cards have issues dealing with UE4 RT, It's their fucking Windows display driver that's causing the problem.

>>106297475
>I said what the hell is nividia?

>>106297808
Moving case components (and re-cable managing) is a pain. I'd just put the 9070 XT into your old AM4 build leaving your alone until you get all the AM5 parts and assembling the whole thing inside it then. No need to duplicate all the work except for the GPU install.

>>106297787
Nope you're just mad and seething he didn't use settings and a location that gave the best possible fps for your beloved GeForce because anything less is heresy against Jensen. Kys fanboy. If the 5080 draws less then 300 watts and the fps gap isnt that much between it and the 9070 XT in the most demanding scenes that is an Nvidia and DICE problem not Steve's for merely testing and finding it.

>>106297808
5900XT beats 9800X3D in multicore workloads.

Isn't it suspicious that Steve always has results that favor AMD that no other reviewer can recreate

>>106297836
>'Brilliant Jensen's told me the H20s are already obsolete, Gyna can already make them. They already have these H20s in a different name. OUAWEI can make them.'
>'So I said we should take a 20% cut of the sales, we as in America. Because I don't think about myself, I think for America.'

>>106297855
that would be the case with someone who didn't sell their soul, yes. fits perfectly.
and the "favors" AMD is an interpretation, easily made when there's two players and one is exposed as corrupt. simple to reframe from "bashing x" to "favoring y".
which points out said moral corruption, on your behalf as well

>>106297042 (OP)
AI slop

>>106297845
>not Steve's for merely testing and finding it.
It's Steve's fault if he's representing those portions of the game as the expected norm, especially when the GPU's not using the 100W leftover power headroom @ 4K Ultra.
Your fellow conspiracy theorist got the card to pull 40W more power at the less GPU-demanding 4K High settings.

>>106297824
>The njudean cries out in pain as he strikes you
This post >>106297440 was only made in response to this post >>106297342 that flamed and claimed radeon is incapable of running UE 4 RT with no context and a screenshot from a game that doesnt even have the issue because it doesnt use the nvidia SDK. Yet another thread you faggots incite a flamewar then play victim when AMD owners fire back.

>>106297866
Ethical Hardware Downclocked™ Steve includes an affiliate link to the 5080 anyway.
Idiots like you fell for his persona.

>>106297880
>nvidia SDK
Again, conspiracy theory. RDNA4 cards have no problem running UE4 games with RT enabled using Linux drivers.

Reminder that all the AMDUnboxed seethe posts you see are DLSS schizo a pedophile that has always had an obsession with that channel and "debunking" it. This post will self destruct in 5 minutes because Enkidu is friends with the chomo mod who protects him by banning anyone for "doxxing" that posts this image.

>>106297906
It's this retard's time to pull the "everyone's the DLSS shill if they call out my bullshit".

>>106297912
it's because it's obviously nicotroon and she's obsessed because he made her clitty leak

Why everyone loves OLED

>>106297912
Anyone ITT that isnt a newfag knows about your long running paranormal obsession with Steve and HUB. You have been making seethe posts about their content for years. No one is fooled enkidu.

>>106297923
Looks good

>>106297926
Nicotroon, YOU are a newfag, you only built your first PC a month ago

>>106297656
Damn, some of those 9070xt models look really nice. Maybe if AMD releases something that hits above the 80 card I'll give it a go next release cycle.

>'Hardware Unboxed is a totally ethical outlet.'
>'It's completely okay to downclock the 5070 Ti's boost clock by 300MHz (or more) for its review video.'
>'It doesn't matter if this creates over seven percentage point deficit to the real stock performance.'
>'I can do this because NVIDIA sent me a Ventus 3X OC model that advertises a 30MHz faster boost clock.'
>'Buy Radeon kids, but let me show off this nice 5080 build for my daughter in my next video'

>>106297824
>>106297891
>Erm its debunked AMChuddie
>My source?
>One youtube comment of course!
I guess it makes sense nviditroons who have deluded themselves they are a real women that look like just the AI generated hentai girls they make on their card instead of playing video don't gave a very high standard for proving claims.

novidia damage control in full force today lmao love to see it

>>106297954
Go fire up your 9070 XT and test it for yourself on Linux, you paranoid schizo.
Do you even know how to use Linux?

>>106297926
Every thread you participate in you end up calling like at least 5 seperate posters "DLSS schizo."
Maybe you're the schizo :) xd

NICOTROON CLITTY LEAKAGE ALL OVER THE THREAD ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT

>>106297968
>>106297906
responded to the wrong person

so done with these fucking driver issues on my 5070 ti. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones ITT when my screen went black and I had to turn my whole pc off. im rmaing and switching to 9070 xt fuck it idc anymore.

>xhe starts spamming again
prime nicotroon clitty leakage hours

>>106297923
Scared of VA smearing boogieman, minileds for life.

>>106297984
>VA smearing
This is so overblown, looking forward to RGB miniLED monitors.
But I think they'll have a hard time shrinking the RGB local dimming zones.

>>106297972
>>106297981
Im not the nico poster. Im the 7900 XTX anon but I find it hilarious this guy has you do mindbroken

If you don't hate Nvidia you don't have a heart
If you don't use Nvidia you don't have a brain

>>106297997
>the 7900 XTX anon
The guy who paid launch price for that 24GB card for muh future proofing, but you're going to replace it with the next gen card anyway.
Great endorsement of the product.

GeForce xisters how do I respond without sounding mad when Nico-Poster tells me that we're still not capable of playing the only game worth getting a new pc for, Cyberpunk with RT Overdrive?
It's playable on the current gen midrange Radeon cards (9070 and 9070 XT) because of FSR4 (now natively supported), but we don't have that nor an upscaler stable enough to brute force a higher resolution.
How do I cope??? When I booted up DLSS 4 transformer for the first time on my 5070 to and saw the grass shadows flickering like this I had a full on dysphoric breakdown and almost overdosed on my HRT pills and had to get my stomach pumped at the ER.

best monitor for programming?

i already have 1 27 inch 2k monitor that i use for gaming but i need another one for work.

i assume i would get another 27 inch 2k- unless there is something obviously better. ideally something not super expensive- like maybe $400 max.

i probably dont want curved. i will be using it with a macbook pro m4 in case that matters

>>106298020
XTX is still the most powerful AMD GPU today, with the most VRAM. upgrade it to...what?

>>106297992
They smear at low framerates and extremely stark color palettes. The vast, VAST majority of games today will mostly have scenes where it does not require pixels to do a 100% change from white to black and vice versa. To notice smearing on a natural color scene requires pixel hunting and so is just not a valid concern for people playing the damn game. There is a reason why VAs are being sold as the budget monitor option these days; better colors and blacks than IPS while residing in the "normal" monitor price range. One day when it's perfected there actually may be an argument that IPS could fall behind.

I'm severely tempted to drop $3.5k on one of those Chinee 48gb 4090s so that I can run image2video and coomer llms locally
is this a good investment?

>>106298040
>It's the least retarded kid today, in this one specific metric.
Good for you.

>>106298049
Definitely not but you're going to die someday anyway so who fucking cares

>>106298049
Too overpriced for that GPU.

GeForce xisters how do I respond without sounding mad when Nico Poster tells me that we're still not capable of playing the only game worth getting a new pc for, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered?
It's playable on the current gen midrange Radeon cards (9070 and 9070 XT) because of Smart Access Memory, but we don't have that nor a working rebar to brute force higher 1% lows.
How do I cope??? When I booted up the game for the time on my 5070 ti and it wouldn't stop stuttering I had a dysphoric breakdown and almost ACKed myself.

why does the performance of the 5090 make AMD buyers so upset?

RADEON sisters how do i respond witohut sounding mad when the dlss schizo itt informs me that 2024 goty is literally unplayable on amd?

so done with these fucking melting issues on my 5090. i was in the middle of playing wuchang fallen feathers when my connector melted and whole pc caught on fire, I have to build a whole new pc. im suing nvidia and building an all amd pc with the settlement money fuck it idc anymore.

why is only an NVIDIA GPU able to make full use of AMD's own 9800X3D?

Why are Radeon-tards so prone to falling into a blind seething rage? Do they really feel that inadequate when they see educated Nvidia buyers enjoying video games with next gen graphics powered by AI and Ray-Tracing?

>>106298090
Doesn't matter because Radeon is faster in competitive high testosterone games real men play everyday and not this flavor of the month UE5 troonslop
>>106298105
False because of nvidia driver overhead. See pic related.

Holy fuck everyone go shut up and die

>>106298125
the 9070XT is simply not powerful enough to CPU limit the 9800X3D in all games at 1080p, only GeForce RTX makes this possible

>Tranime faggot starts a flamewar thread
>Gets mad when people use it as a flamewar thread
What causes this behavior?

>>106297992
I agree, that's just the response I get when I recommend them. I wonder if we'll get a higher end miniled option in the US. I dont want to spend that much on the asus and samsung options that are a bit old.

>>106298125
why do the best CS2 players donk and zywoo have GeForce GPUs in their home systems?
probably because they know AMD Radeon is nonviable for competitive games due to frequent crashes, stutters, poor frame pacing and driver timeouts that make it impossible to compete

GeForce xisters how are we coping two years later with the fact that low power AMD APUs are better in VR the future of gaming then our electricity guzzling thousand dollar Nvidia flagships?

is this all genuine or ironic

>>106298174
LOL, the VR community has rejected Radeon wholesale due to the horrendous motion sickness causing stutters that accompany Radeon GPUs attempting VR, these issues are STILL unresolved, likely due to silicon level bugs

>>106298186
this thread has always been /pcbwg/ - PC Brand Wars General

>>106298200
but like... humans don't act like this, is it just bots?

How did I do anons? First time production build and after an 8 month long wait, I happened across a 16GB latest gen GPU at MSRP.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bXGK9C

>>106298204
nicotroon spent all his money on a Radeon GPU and now needs to justify his extreme buyers remorse

>>106298204
You're right, only subhumans argue over billion dollar corpos

>>106298209
walmart has that gpu for like 760 right now, just bought one. the system i’m building is basically the same as yours.

>>106298186
Mix of both.

>>106298209
>1200w
Are you planning on plugging an arc welder into there too?

>>106298141
>What causes this behavior?
The desire for victory over defeat. That is all there is to it. There is no permanent non-physical solution. /pcbg/ will continue to be this way until one side gives up, and of course both sides know this is how it works.

>>106298209
Memory kit's kind of mediocre (CL38 is underwhelming), but you won't feel the difference compared to a CL30 set.

>>106298204
Blame the faggot who kicks the general off with brand warring baked in.

>>106298232
>>106298200
The mods/jannies prefer to keep the retards in this containment thread.

>>106298214
Wouldn't be surprised if the 9070 XT is his most valued possession.

>>106298244
Where is the brand warring. That all looks pretty reasonable to m3. 50 series is awful and it still puts nvidia flagships for workstations and premium 4k where radeon is totally uncompetitive

>>106298224
That's where I found it. Been periodically checking and only seeing 12GB or 8GB slop. Then spotted 16GB hiding in the back. Did some research and walked in with cash and grabbed it. $749.
>>106298227
You got me jejjin with that one, that's funny. Nah. I just knew I needed a healthy percentage over the minimum requirement and decided some overhead for upgrades wasn't a bad idea. Original plan was a 4090, but then waited on new gen 5090. That was disappointing and now 4090 is unobtainium. So a respectable work station with this at this cost will hold me over for sure.
>>106298241
Thanks for the advice. I debated it but knew I wanted 64. Wasn't finding a lower latency at that size for a reasonable price. 36/38 should be fine. 34 was the standard to aim for right?

>>106298284
>36/38 should be fine. 34 was the standard to aim for right?
CL30 is the one you want, but it's not going to make a big enough difference unless trying to set better benchmarking records.

>wonder if I should buy a ps5 pro in prep for GTA6
>look up what exclusives exist that I might aswell cope with along the way
>most of them released on pc so far
>BB emulated
So barely any exclusives left? is this it? it's over

>>106298309
That's how I bought a handful of other PS4 games after I bought one for Bloodborne.

>>106298280
the 4090 is still going for almost as much as a 5090, no reason to get a 4090 over a 5090 for workstation outside of NVIDIA bad fanboyism

>>106298280
kys. Without sucking off a youtuber or "nvidia eveil aand mean:(," what makes the 9070xt or 9070 a good buy but not the 5070/70ti?
>>106298309
It's been "over" for console gaming since the One/Ps4 were announced.

>>106298299
Ah, thanks Anon. I'm a pleb, so that's not my wheelhouse. As long as I can draw, animate, video edit, gen images, etc. I'm good.
>>106298309
>exclusives
You don't need those when you can just play Titanfall 2 Anon. Join me

>>106298347
>what makes the 9070xt or 9070 a good buy but not the 5070/70ti?
RDNA 4 is the same performance for less money and has drivers that actually work

>>106298366
>drivers that actually work
unless you want to play any unreal engine game without macrostutters

>>106298174
>Posts literal-who news published in Feb 07 2023
>"Sony Cuts Investment in VR Development, Only Two First-Party VR Games Currently in Development" - Posted: Jun 21, 2024

>>106298366
>Actual post was made three months ago
Radeon copers always posting stale issues.

>>106298347
If all you want to do is gayming and don't use any programs that use CUDA, then there's no reason to go for Nvidia. They're now an AI/datacenter company, gaming makes up like 4% of their revenue, and so they care very little about it, so they put very few people towards maintaining their drivers, making sure lots of problems pop up.

>>106298402
Yet the driver just keeps on getting better, including the ones for Linux.

>>106298397
>Took the time out of his day to defend a trillion dollar corporation by finding the exact post on plebbit his favorite site and see the date
Imagine being this much of a cucksoomer with no life outside of fighting anyone that makes fun of the brands he worships

>>106297923
oleds saved large format gaming 42"+
oleds saved hdr gaming
oleds saved high refresh gaming

>"I'm tired of SHILLS and TROLLS and AUTISTICS in my general"
>Is an autistic team red fanboy himself
Love it, love everything about it.
>>106298402
>They're now an AI/datacenter company,
You mean just like how radeon is a playstation and integrated laptop gpu company? There's a reason they just do Nvidia -$50 now.
I know it's probably hard to realize if you've only used an AMD card or haven't upgraded in a a decade but things like rt performance, DLSS, and just the general featureset matter. Just value on the raw (raster) performance front isn't enough anymore

>>106298436
You're the one obsessively defending Radeon with stale and irrelevant issues.

>>106298336
yeah but seriously where are the exlusives
anything I am missing

>>106298347
>It's been "over" for console gaming since the One/Ps4 were announced.
it's not over when game gets released earlier than on other platform/only exists on platform/has the only functional multiplayer

>>106298363
>You don't need those when you can just play Titanfall 2 Anon. Join me
I've seen those games some time some kind of arena halo look alike shooter with mechs
does not sound like my gaem

>>106298449
>Complaining about the AMDrone fanboy being a hypocrite for complaining about nvidiot fanboys
>While being a hypocrite nvidiot fanboy himself which this very post and previous ones he's made in this general also using SpongeBob images clearly demonstrate
How many layers of brand warrior faggotry are we on at this point? You're all ruining the general and would be permab& if the mods didn't treat this as a containment zone for the worst of the subhuman ne/g/ros on this board

>>106298486
>ones he's made in this general also using SpongeBob images clearly demonstrate
Literally have never done that (on this board) before my post above so...
I'm not brand warring, I gave actually reasons why Nvidia cards are worth recommending. I don't understand why the op can't just be all relevant or current gen offerings sorted by price point.

>>106297978
>so done with these fucking driver issues on my 5070 ti.
I just bought one and have had zero issues. Did you do a clean install of the drivers? Change your cable. If you did both of those, maybe you have a bad card.

>>106298474
>yeah but seriously where are the exlusives
New exclusives are very risky to make. The most profitable games are F2P/cross-platform titles or sequels of established series.
Elden Ring sold very well because it has a very broad reach (last/current gen consoles + PC, with Switch 2 port arriving soon).

>>106298402
what if I want a 4k high refresh rate card? AMD simply doesn’t offer this performance category

>>106298543
It's just the resident retard having his daily spazz outs.

>>106298474
It is in fact an arena shooter where high paced movement system allows instantaneous map traversal (if you've mastered the 3 movement tech revolutions at least), that then boils down to slow methodical strategy based gameplay once you call down your titan and get in. It's very damn fun, but if it's not for you oh well. It's $5 Anon. If you have 8 hours and need something new, at least try the renowned campaign. You might love it.

>>106298347
>"nvidia eveil aand mean:(,"
>Prefering not to buy products from am anti-consumer brand for ethical concerns is not a valid reason
pajeet shill hands with no morals or honor definetly typed this post

What gpu do i get once my 4090 goes kaput? Not interested in 50 series since I still play old gayms and no physx on 50 series really boggles my mind.

not interested in amd either except their cpu

>>106298628
>am anti-consumer brand for ethical concerns
Spare us the ethical AMD bullshit.

>>106298646
You buy 60 series and a spare 30/40 series for old games

this is what jensen mean by the more you buy the more you save btw

>>106298646
Get the 4090 repaired, the melted connector & failed VRM components are straightforward repairs for professionals.
If you let the PCB sag or break, it'll be a costlier fix (most likely requires a donor board).

What is the best cheapest 9070xt model? Gaming OC? Prime? Hellhound? I would have gotten the Gaming OC if it had 3 displayports

>>106298701
Hellhound is the best from your list, but they're not exactly cheap. Prime 2nd.
Sapphire Pulse is also one of the better base MSRP tier cards.

so is 5070 ok for high / maxed out settings at 1440p + machine learning / ai stuff? worried about the 12gb vram, but i don't know about other options

>>106298714
all are 719 RN where i live. I preferably want to get a model that has good resell value

>>106298723
ROCM is getting full windows support this year which has already started rolling out so just stop being a bitch and boy 9070 xt or non xt if you are ready to go woke and stop being a goyim slave to njudea

>>106298723
Wait for the Super cards, they’re rumored to have more memory capacity (18GB for 5070 Super).
Don’t buy the regular 5070 for AI/ML.

>>106298741
Either Prime or Hellhound will have good resale value.
ASUS is more well known to normies.
Power Color’s Hellhound has a generally good reputation amongst people who keep up with PC video cards.

>>106298701
I love mein höllenhund

>>106298671
>AMD doesn't meet their performance targets for an architecture once
>This makes them as bad as njudea which has been actively destroying gaming for their benefit of their profit margins for decades
Fuck off shill

5090 is MSRP now and easy to get
welcome to a full-blown RECESSION

before fall the stock market will crash with nvidia leading the way down the drain

>>106297429
my gf introduced me into anime

>>106297636
his results are always different

Budget: NM790
Mid range: SN7100
Premium: SN850X
Flagship: SN8100

>recommending ssd with shitty controller

reminder phison controller kill itself

>>106299051
>asus card at msp

THE END TIMES ARE NEAR

>>106299223
literally and unironically they are
this is what is happening to the housing market right now

>>106299071
your gf has a benis

>>106299178
so which has the shitty controller then

https://www.techpowerup.com/340023/intel-bartlett-lake-s-steppings-suggest-third-rebrand-of-raptor-lake-as-bartlett-lake-hybrid
>Intel figured that for a monolithic silicon with a similar die-size of "Raptor Lake-S," which has 8 P-cores and 4 E-core clusters, it could design a silicon with 12 P-cores for the same number of ring-stops, sharing the same 36 MB of L3 cache. A recent post on Twitter by Jaykihn highlights the stepping of this silicon as A0, but there's more to the story—apparently Intel will recycle its older "Raptor Lake" and "Alder Lake" silicon within "Bartlett Lake" generation, and refer to them as "Bartlett Lake Hybrid."

>This "Bartlett Lake Hybrid" line of processors will reuse B0, C0, and H0 chips. The B0 chip is the original "Raptor Lake-S," which comes with an 8P+16E core-configuration, 36 MB of L3 cache, 2 MB of L2 cache per P-core, and 4 MB of L2 cache per E-core cluster. The C0 silicon is derived from "Alder Lake-S," with an 8P+8E config that has 1.25 MB of L2 cache per P-core and 2 MB of L2 cache per E-core cluster, with 30 MB of L3 cache. The H0 silicon originally drove the lower half of the 12th Gen Core family, it has 6 P-cores, each with 1.25 MB of L2 cache, no E-core clusters, and 18 MB of L3 cache.

>Intel will not market "Bartlett Lake-S" as the 15th Gen Core series, but switch to its new nomenclature under the Core 2-series, but without the "Ultra" brand extension, denoting the lack of an on-die NPU. Unfortunately, leaked marketing material by Intel points to the chip being primarily targeted at the OEM and embedded markets, and not DIY retail, in other words, there are no signs yet of a retail desktop chip that you can pop into a Socket LGA1700 rig.
BARTLETT LAKE LIVES. Even if they keep insisting that it won't be available to the DIY market I don't believe them. A cheap 12 P-Core SKU, even if you have to buy it on AliExpress would be a nice option while waiting for Nova Lake next year.

>>106299451
>number one thing DIY market cares about
>no u cant have
its no wonder why they got where they are now

>>106299451
I hope it happens for consumers
Sadly it seems that avx512 won't be part of the deal since it was leaked earlier that it didn't make it for POR

>>106299474
>number one thing DIY market cares about
>no u cant have
>its no wonder why they got where they are now
It's insane. Even if they are afraid of cannibalizing Arrow Lake which is already is a discount spiral, from a pure numbers perspective how many potential customers exists for the huge LGA 1700 install base that has been around since 2021 vs. those willing to buy into LGA 1851 that exists for exactly 1 generation and is already EOL. They just need to buy time for Nova Lake & LGA 1851 as another long-term platform in a year's time so why not do the most logical thing? Also Alder Lake/Raptor Lake silicon is made on their internal process so it can be done cheaply and with better margins for the company than paying TSMC even more cash.

Any decent cases that aren't repurposed glass specimen disco boxes?

>>106299567
fractal has some non-rgb and solid side panel options, but they also cost 2-3x more than the budget montech/lianli cases

>>106299451
With the degradation problem, I don't see them ever releasing another 5.8ghz+ intel 7 chip that can succeed the 14900K/KS in case it gets them even more bad press from even more chip failures

>>106299567
Fractal Design Focus 2 Black

>>106298794
why do you defend AMD selling you broken unfinished silicon?

>>106299567
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/case/#t=4,3&D=16,4,8&B=1&sort=price&page=1
Basically what >>106299587 said. Also consider the Antec P20CE (pictured), & be quiet! Pure Base 501 Airflow. A lot of other designs in channel circulation like the Phanteks Enthoo Pro Closed Panel & Fractal Define R7 haven't been updated in several years (not that there's been a whole lot of innovation in the non-aquarium style PC case market in that time but still).

>>106299567
Most fractal cases come with a nonglass option, bequiet will sell you another side panel(or any other spare parts) if you want to make something not have glass.

>>106299451
>under the Core 2-series
We have come full circle back to the Core 2 (Duo)

>>106299625
Enjoy your missing rops

>>106299791
frankly pathetic cope geg

EVERY SINGLE RDNA3 GPU is hardware bugged
only a 0.1% batch of 5090s had missing ROPs and could be replaced under manufacturer warranty

ryzen 9 7900 is good shit

its been pretty quiet since hairchasers got destroyed by HUB Steve

X900 SKUs are literally pointless

>update aurous b650e v2 elite with f35 bios
>Weird f34 bugs stop
Where this months update or not getting it til the next bug fix vulnerability

>>106300050
you buy asus if you want monthly bios updates

>>106298029
check out 28" 4k ips gaming monitors
they're less expensive than 32" ones, but availability depends on local stores

>>106297042 (OP)
I am so confused by this ARGB crap right now.

So which ARGB controller should I buy for full customisation using existing motherboard software?

I'm collecting the components of a new PC I'm trying to configure, but I would need some clarifications before pulling the trigger, so I'd be glad if you could answer these questions of mine:
1) is an Arctic Freezer 36 good enough for a Ryzen 7 9700X (even through OC)?
2) Is 6000 MHz a good RAM clock speed for the 9700X or does it hinder its performance?
3) Is the Corsair RMe Series 2025 RM850e a good and reliable PSU? (it should be ATX 3.1 compliant).

>>106297042 (OP)
>AVOID RTX 50 Series: False advertising "5070=4090 performance!!", unsafe power connector, broken drivers, overpriced compared to RDNA 4 in most regions, threatening reviewers, manipulating and faking reviews, evil anti-consumer company etc.
AMD shilling? Or is this all true?

>>106300384
>power connector
I was checking out leddit for hardware news. Someone burnt their 5090 cable (again) this week.

Do not know how the 5070 holds up. A lot of the complaints seem to be for the high end GPUs.

>>106300427
there’s been 5 instances online since launch with over 500,000 5090s sold

>>106300384
people still read OP's?
I doubt amd got even a dozen of extra gpu sales thanks to a 4chan thread lying about them being better than nvidia

>>106297042 (OP)
Just grabbed an 9800x3d + 32GB 6000Mhz CL30 combo on Aliexpress for 440€. What am I in for?

>>106300504
I ended up buying AMD cause I felt it'd be safer.

HOWEVER. I do miss Surround's features and UI. If they flick the 12vhpwr and let the partners pick and choose between that and other plug-ins, I might move back.

https://gamemaxpc.com/others/1412.html
Can I just use the ARGB with this rather than that and the fans?

Happy enough with MOBA fan control.

>>106300537
a paperweight

>>106300253
asus' is the most broadly supported, and use openrgb

>>106300630
I insist on using Mystic Light because I love MSI.

>>106300630
>want to use openrgb
>need to specify zones for argb connected devices
>can't be found anywhere
Eh

>>106299851
>msi suprim liquid oc
oh nonono

>budget
1800-2000€
>country
Italy
>use cases
Heavy workload with web applications, media consumption, light programming, 1440p gaming
>build
This is the list of all the components with the final price
SQ Tower 08W
Ryzen 7 9700X
Arctic Freezer 36
ASUS TUF Gaming B650-E WiFi
DDR5 6000 MHz Corsair Vengeance CL 30 (16GB x 2)
RTX 5070Ti (or 9070XT for 114€ less)
WD Black SN7100 2TB
Corsair RMe 2025 RM850e 850W
Total price: 1783€

Why would I spent 1000$ for an OLED when it dies within a year??

>>106299791
>missing rops
Customers of these affected cards were either given a replacement with the full hardware config or a cash refund if replacements weren't available.
Some people were turning down that cash refund and waited™ because they wanted the RTX card.
Radeon knowingly sold busted chips that OEMs wouldn't touch; that's how the 7900 GRE with a laptop GPU ended up getting a worldwide release.

>>106300960
>workload with web applications
?

seems fine
consider waiting for the nvidia supers that come out soon with more vram
then a 9800x3d would be better for long term, its only couple hundred more

>>106300427
>Do not know how the 5070 holds up
The 5070 = 4090 bit is taken out of context because Jensen was shilling DLSS + multi-frame generation performance ("impossible without the tensor cores").

Why are 4090s still so fucking expensive

Meanwhile, here's Radeon being completely full of shit regarding their card's native 4K performance.
0 tech reviewers were able to replicate those 4K native performance figures after the 7900 XTX launched.

>>106301120
its false advertising to normies who buy shit for kids or something and nvidia shouldnt equivocate those gpus

for people who know anything about pc's and gpus then its not a big point of confusion, people understand interpolation just fine, and it doesnt warrant more discussions besides mild annoyance

>>106301120
I meant, I don't know if the 5070s have melting cable issue.

>>106301141
Based on the price history the went from 1800 euro to nearly 5090 prices when the 50 series released.

>>106301141
most of the supply went to chinese ai farms

>>106301152
No it's not, Jensen literally said that performance is impossible with the AI enhanced features.
He was debuting MFG even before the RTX 50 cards were revealed in that presentation.
NVIDIA wants normies to enable DLSS and (M)FG whenever it's available, and theyr'e advertising the performance with those features on.

>>106301159
They're safe for the 5070's power draw.
You need to be attentive if you're getting a card that draws over 400W.
That's why some of the higher-end 9070 XT models use the same connector.

>>106301176
well you cant say an interpolated frame is as good as a native frame
not when you consider latency and artifacts

frame gen is a value add feature that doesnt replace normal performance, its just nice to have and needs to be marketed as as in image smoothing post processing

>Coolmoon is from Chongqing
>COOL moon and not AKA tsuki
Okay.

>>106301197
Your opinion isn't a consensus among those who reviewed the hardware and MFG.
Everyone else is just trailing GeForce's features; they're not saying FG isn't good enough like you are.
Ray reconstruction and a better frame generation are AMD Radeon's next major feature update for RX 9000 cards.
https://gpuopen.com/learn/amd-fsr3-ue5-6-redstone/

>>106297042 (OP)
how much is gpu today?

>>106300834
it’s the best model

>>106301219
1000 €

>>106301197
>frame gen is a value add feature that doesnt replace normal performance
It's how you get MAX FPS per Ethical AMD™.

>>106301116
Ok thank you.

Both will be mogged by intel.

https://www.ign.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-graphics-card-is-finally-down-to-map-pricing
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-prime-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-16gb-gddr7-pci-express-5-0-graphics-card-black/6614744.p?skuId=6614744

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/get-an-rtx-5080-at-msrp-yes-you-read-that-right-newegg-has-zotac-and-msi-rtx-5080-gpus-at-a-discount-from-their-original-prices
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DTPG3B1N
Tell me the SUPER series refresh isn't imminent without telling me it's imminent.

>>106301331
>Both will be mogged by intel.
intel is about to get mogged by the shareholders

>>106297042 (OP)
I read that AMD Ryzen 7 5700X is a good budget CPU for the used rtx 3090 I got on ebay but on the store I've found it at says "without cooler" what does that mean? Does it need a special cooler just for the CPU or would the computer fan be enough?

People hate OLED because usually they keep their monitor for long time. OLED won't last you for 5-10 years.

My question is kinda out of topic, but is a prebuilt machine worth considering if it costs an extra 150€$? The components are the same obviously.

>>106301438
IDK why people have such attachment to monitors when they change everything else on a whim

>>106301436
means its sold without a heat sink
no cooler = no worky
and unless you already have an am4 board, forget the 5700X specifically and come up with a budget, buying into am4 at this point may not be the best option

>>106301436
You need a separate CPU cooler, nothing too crazy for a 5700X.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/q6H7YJ/thermalright-assassin-x-120-refined-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ax120-se-d3
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fhqNnQ/thermalright-royal-knight-120-8045-cfm-cpu-cooler-royal-knight-120

The single tower cooler will run louder.

>>106301453
the issues is components arent usually the same, they pair undesirable shit with good parts to get rid of them

>>106301453
Only if you're lazy and don't mind not having the packages for the components. The last time I got a configured prebuild the cable management was awkard and I had to redo some stuff.

>>106301453
>The components are the same obviously.
Very few PC prebuilders disclose the exact component model they used to assemble the PC.
They may not disclose the PSU manufacturer, you might not know the exact RAM speed & timings, etc..

>>106301370
those are the most bottom barrel tier models. nobody wants them because the have loads of QC issues.

>>106301469
>>106301491
The components are the same: I've checked. Plus, I forgot to tell that the website I'm considering (MemoryPC, they tell you all the components and let you configure them) offers a 24 months warranty included in the final price.
>>106301483
Yeah I'm lazy and I don't mind.

>>106301436
Don't know what country your from, but there are some deals on the 5800XT that comes with a cooler for ~155 dollars in the US

>>106297163
You need to buy/loan a display calibrator if you're buying a gaming monitor; maybe your employer will loan you one.
You could buy some of the professional IPS displays like the Dell Ultrasharp, but these tend to be capped at 120 Hz and have poorer response times for gaming.

>>106301507
150€ assembly & testing fee + 2-year warranty is fine.

>>106297394
no its not, for gaming a B850 will be enough

>no, they expect one of us in the wreckage, brother.
>have we started the fire?
>yes, the fire rises.
the components in my new build speaking to each other

>>106301461
> IDK why people have such attachment to monitors when they change everything else on a whim
Just werk

ASUS Prime is fine, it's arguably the best base MSRP model considering the 5080 FE isn't as well-stocked.

Hi /pcbg/, I have an old computer that used to work fine up until I accidentally knocked it over a few months ago. It still turns on (the light on the front turns on) but it nothing shows up on the monitor (not a monitor issue since the one I'm using works with other machines). Any idea what I can do to figure out what's wrong?

>>106301507
If your motherboard has shared lanes when using certain m.2 configurations just make sure to write them some instructions or ask them if they are aware about it.

How much of an upgrade would it be to go from a 7500f to a 7800x3d/9800x3d for 1440p and 4k?

>>106301562
try re-seating the gpu

>>106301583
It doesn't seem to have one. The HDMI port looks to be connected directly to the motherboard.

>>106301557
asus prime = powercolor reaper

its bottom budget tier

>>106301572
What the lack of a block diagram does to a mfer

>>106301562
check out the mobo error leds
reseat stuff like ram, cpu, repaste cpu, psu cables

>>106298186
It's mental illness.

>>106301575
Mostly AAAs at high/max? Minimal. Map games, simulators, and such? Potential for big gains. Frankly it's probably not worth it unless you're experiencing a known severe CPU bottleneck.

>>106297042 (OP)
Is there any minisforum owners in here? I’m about to pull the trigger on the 795s7, it’s either that or a $1,800 asus gaming laptop, I need advice fellas.

>>106301659
My 5700X bottlenecks my GPU on Battlefield 6, AM4 is approaching death now, he will see huge gains.

>>106301575
>>106301688
>>106301659
i read 7500f as an intel 7th gen, my bad.

>>106301691
np

>>106301438
>People hate OLED because usually they keep their monitor for long time. OLED won't last you for 5-10 years.
If you do what I advocate for every time durability is brought up and run one with an IPS in a dual set up (on monitors arms) where you reserve the OLED for dynamic content (video/gaming) ONLY then it should easily last that long.

>>106301598
Prime offers dual BIOS and has a larger cooler than the Reaper.
The Reaper is the least desirable model amongst the base MSRP cards (unless you want the smallest card).

>>106297968
>'DLSS schizo generally shills the products of the company he currently owns and attacks the competitors that are around the same price range or power as his current product'
The Nicoposter is the Radeon equivalent of that shithead.
Ethics go out the window if the price is right with this guy.
Nicoshitstain is loving his Prime 9070 XT sold by Evil Asus™.
But the price was right (above Ethical AMD's advertised launch price).

I've been lied to. The 4070 Super is not a 1440p card at all. It's an ultra 1080p card. Just by looking at the GPU benchmark on 1080p Ultra settings, native resolution, no DLSS, and RT ON on YouTube, I'm only seeing 80 - 90 fps. Ain't no way I'm getting this number on the 4070S on ultra settings.

>>106302024
On 1440p on the 4070S on ultra settings*

>>106302024
just use DLSS vro

>>106302024
Ultra is generally a bait setting, whichever brand of video card you run.
It's usually a setting that targets future consumer hardware.

>>106302096
Half the time even High is nothing but an FPS sponge. Medium is where IQ maxes out as that's the console target.

>>106302024
>I'm only seeing 80 - 90 fps
You need more than 60 fps, huh? Woman.

>>106302024
Anons here tried to tell you this years ago. People insisted and swore it was a "shill" who was saying that.

>>106301223
But it doesn't tell you per-pin current draw

>>106302024
On ultra settings anything up to and sometimes including the 5090 is a 1080p card if you don't use dlss.
Games especially on higher settings are designed around you using upscaling now. You can seethe about it all you want but this is reality. Playing games at native is dead.

The good news is that since transformer model as long as the internal resolution is 720p or higher it still looks good.

>>106297266
I'll buy it

32GB 9070XT is out, around $1200
https://youtu.be/d1bQY1Qq8_Q?t=547

>>106302576
I want the 9950x3d2.

How does gigabyte get away with selling you on "16x" slots that are 1x electrical?
Is there not enough lanes to do 4x on each or atleast 2x?

Seems like a scam imo

>>106302442
>Games especially on higher settings are designed around you using upscaling now
so... they aren't really higher settings

>>106302719
But they are, it's Crisis 2 era once again but with upscalling to hide the issues

>>106302723
if you're lowering the resolution to play at higher settings you aren't really playing at higher settings
now maybe you just don't notice the difference and that's great, but it's still true

Is 9070 xt a worthwile upgrade just for fsr4?
I got a 7000 amd gpu and got ultra cucked by having no fsr4 support
Or 5070 ti a better buy?
Or wait for ti super?
I'm happy with my current gpu except for the terrible FSR AA in new games

>>106302707
Gigabyte Gaming & Eagle are entry-level motherboards with barebones features.
They don't care about giving more than what's required out of the B850 chipset spec.
It's used by prebuilders or sold as part of Microcenter/Newegg CPU bundles.

The other board manufacturers also have their own set of basic B850 gaming-branded motherboards.

>>106302784
Just do what the RX 7000 copers tell you and play games on Linux with FSR4 mods enabled.
It's only a 20 FPS penalty @ upscaled 4K.
In all seriousness, wait for the next generation of AMD cards.
RDNA5/UDNA1 is worth waiting over RDNA4 if you have an RX 7000 card.

made a cute little 1080p setup out of a HP z240 (7700k) with a $15 Firepro w7100 GPU for a kid for like $120 but I forgot the wifi card, any recs?

>>106302753
I'm not interested in having a philosophical debate.
Turn on the dlss and be happy. You should be using it on the lower settings too regardless of your monitors resolution anyways, so it's not really "lower settings."

>>106302784
In the United States there's no reason to buy an AMD card outside of the 9060xt, 9070 and xt are too expensive for being the objectively worse cards. If you insist on AMD at least wait for the next gen, at least that won't (likely) be basically abandoned shortly after release.

>>106302784
>>106302817
xess 2 is all you need and it works on all gpus. fsr4 and dlss4 has ghosting in wuthering waves but xess2 fixes it.

>>106302753
>now maybe you just don't notice the difference and that's great
Then what's the problem? "Native real-time 3D rendering" is also fake.

>>106302865
cheapest 5070ti is $850 here
cheapest 9070xt is $700 here
from all recent reviews the 9070xt is better than the 5070ti with current drivers

>>106302843
https://www.amazon.com/Cudy-WE3000-3000Mbps-Wireless-Bluetooth/dp/B082NZYDDM
https://www.amazon.com/OKN-2974Mbps-Bluetooth-802-11AX-Wireless/dp/B07X462KRK?th=1
Both are overkill for that system.

>>106301903
holy shit the dude is a jeet
>sars AMD (and Android) are a very good value sars

fucking kek

>>106302998
>AMD (and Android)
AMD works fine on Linux and you can bake in your own Android mods. you seem to be pretty much clueless, let alone have any sort of capacity of going off the beaten path

>>106302791
Doesn't answer my question of why bother with physical 16x slots on 1x actual slots if the idea isn't to trick you into thinking there is more to it than it is.

On every other board you only get a 16x slot if it's atleast 4x electrical.

>>106302882
>from all recent reviews the 9070xt is better than the 5070ti with current drivers
They're even with current drivers in raster. Console tier rt 5070ti wins by a marginal amount, heavy RT the AMD cards still can't do, your resolution is too low to get a stable non-grainy image and you don't have RayReconstruction like you would on Nvidia (and performance would be like 5060ti tier anyways)
Hardware Unboxed is not a real benchmark channel, they're biased and their results pretty regularly don't line up with everyone else's.
FSR2/3 was just as shitty 2 years ago as it is now, not sure why to begin with you'd buy arguably the worst generation of graphics cards from recent times and just immediately want to sidegrade but whatever you do you.
What I would do is wait and just deal with blur and aliasing, or sell your current card and see if you can find a 5070 for msrp, and if not that the 70ti. If you care about long term usability historical trends would suggest you should avoid Radeon

>>106303031
>Doesn't answer my question
I already did, because it's not a requirement of AMD's B850 reference board.

>On every other board you only get a 16x slot if it's atleast 4x electrical.
Wrong.
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B850-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI/Specification
https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/others/b850-max-gaming-wifi-w/techspec/

>>106302791
most if not all of them are stingy on PCIe lanes, to sell their threadripper motherboards. this is pretty much known on AM5, lots of trickery going on with PCIe lanes

>>106303031
there are some x8 or x16 format cards that could benefit from fitting in the x16 slot, but doubt they'll work in x1

do i still want ddr5-6000 CL30 for a ryzen 7800x3d?
also still a good processor or is there anything better? just gaming and basic dev work.
stuck on the mobo as well, need 2.5gbps ethernet, probably will never need 5gbps lol and wifi is cool but i’ll never need it. it’s parked right next to to the fios port.

one thing, can i use my old water cooler? probably just reapply new thermal paste?

>>106303054
>FSR2/3
why would you mention this for 9070xt? it's this kind of trickery, typical to nvidia to be honest, that gets the retard to part with his money

So the amdposter is just a brownoid who has the only computer in his village? Did he think we would have the same reaction to his fellow streetshitters?

>>106302707
>How does gigabyte get away with selling you on "16x" slots that are 1x electrical?
others are doing the same thing, it's not only gigabyte
There isn't a single board with 2x 16x, not even a 16x/8x, the best you can get is 8x/8x
>Is there not enough lanes to do 4x on each or atleast 2x?
yes, see above

>punching down on the not so fortunate
what else would your typical nvidiot do

>>106302871
>Then what's the problem?
some of us do
>"Native real-time 3D rendering" is also fake
i mean yeah it's ultimately just ones and zeroes at the end of the day but you don't have an AI hallucinating detail that doesn't exist in the source assets

>>106303140
>some of us do
You don't matter, game devs are already recommending people to use upscalers in their fucking system reqs.
You're also wasting your time since Intel & AMD are headed towards the same development path.
Some people are acting as if Radeon's still in the RDNA1/2 mindset of "RT & upscaling isn't that important".

>AI hallucinating detail
Show examples where these added details ruined the final output.

Next:
>>106303183
>>106303183
>>106303183

>>106303084
fun fact: several TR5 motherboards are cheaper than MSI x870e Godlike and other "flagships" for x870e and Z890
that's funny because TR5 MBs have 12/14 PCB layers compared to 8 on AM5 and how much power TR CPU can take, also those boards have several other feature not found on AM5 boards

>>106303110
He has an rx 7000 card, that's why I bring it up. I don't understand why he would buy it to begin with, 2/3 years ago DLSS was good and FSR was bad. Everyone that wasn't biased agreed the the entirety of RDNA3 was dogshit.
>>106303137
If you're actually poor you're not buying new pc hardware. Shut up faggot

>>106303137
>'Just let poor people spazz out and shit up a thread, they're poor and don't know any better.'

>>106303174
>game devs are already recommending people to use upscalers in their fucking system reqs
because they want people to think they can run ultra settings on their shiny new 5090
but i'm not having a discussion with a game developer, now am i?
>You're also wasting your time since Intel & AMD are headed towards the same development path
i don't care what intel and AMD decide to waste their time on
DLSS is all about marketing and only NVIDIA can do effective marketing
>Some people are acting as if Radeon's still in the RDNA1/2 mindset of "RT & upscaling isn't that important"
that was great
but sadly they only know how to copy NVIDIA
>Show examples where these added details ruined the final output
manifests itself as blurring with DLSS2/DLSS3 (like the overly smooth skin you would get with old AI image generators) and oversharpening with DLSS4 (detail that isn't there), FSR4 to an extent as well
but you don't notice, it's fine

>>106303202
yeah threadripper is pretty based but CPUs are expensive as fuck. but still, scAM5 is a failure as far as I'm concerned, they maxed out their greed

>>106303208
way to expose the character of nvidia buyers, but considering the shit the company pulls...no wonder it attracts psychos such as yourself

Is the 7800X3D worth the extra 80 bucks over the 7600X3D?

Only used for gayming desu

>>106303258
>all about marketing
Nintendo Switch was already using FSR1 upscaling for Zelda and other games.
The PS5 Pro got an upgraded GPU to improve hardware-accelerated upscaling (FSR4 compat).
Upscaling isn't "just" marketing; it's the new norm.
Just don't play new games if you feel strongly about this.
GTA 5 got an RT & upscaler update recently, they're obviously getting used to implementing these features into GTA6.

>>106303339
>Nintendo Switch was already using FSR1 upscaling for Zelda and other games
lol that one in particular was bad
but i played it at 4K on PC so whatever
>Upscaling isn't "just" marketing; it's the new norm
i'm sorry, i will be a Better Person next time

>>106303282
Correct. I still remember late 00/early 10 when flagship MBs were actually flagships, and not a fucking joke. Two 16x or 16x/8x/8x PCie 2.0 plus some 2x/1x and normal PCI without any lane sharing, or even 16/8/8/8 PCIe 3.0 on MSI Big Bang XPower 2. Three or four memory channels. Or even Evga Classified with two CPU sockets. And that one was 600$ upon release, others were cheaper. Todays MBs are just overpriced garbage with less features and connectivity than over decade ago

>>106303066
>I already did, because it's not a requirement of AMD's B850 reference board.
So it's ok to trick people just because it's not part of the reference design?

Hey guys I have a nvidia RTX 4060, and I want to look into overclocking it. I know its a shit card (hence wanting to overclock it).

Anyways what values should I put here, how far can I push it? If I push too far will it brick the card?

>>106303523
hover over NVIDIA overclocking information and be disappointed

>>106303523
Move the power limit slider all the way to the right (maximum power limit).
Set the GPU Clock Offset slider to anywhere between 120~150MHz, higher values will require stability testing.
VRAM slider can generally be raised to 1000MHz.

There are free benchmarks like 3DMark free version (Steel Nomad test) and Unigine Superposition.

>>106303521
>it's ok to trick people
They're tricking no one; the spec sheet lists the electrical details.
If you care about the lane configuration of the additional x16 slots, you should be reviewing the spec sheets to begin with.

>>106303632
Roger Roger, I mostly am playing cyberpunk 2077 so I'm just gonna use it's benchmark and furmark. so far it seems good on 180mhz for the gpu clock offset.

>>106303661
Test in 15 MHz increments, that's a single step/bin for the GPU boost algorithm.
But you need an above-average RTX 40 chip to stably run +210 MHz offset for the entire GPU core V/F curve.
150/165/180 MHz is the more common ceiling.

>>106303658
stop lying, most AM5 motherboard PDFs are omitting crucial info about PCIe lanes

>>106303703
Board manufacturers disclose PCIe lane details in their spec sheets & other publicly available documents because they don't want to deal with annoying Karens like you.
They share enough information to reduce costly product returns & refunds.
DOYR is the #1 advice when shopping for motherboards.

>>106303658
I'm trying to find a board that doesn't gimp the x16 slot if you use all the m2 slots and you have to check the manual for each board. The wording is also not the clearest. It also seems that short of spending $1000 dollars it isn't possible.

>>106303303
Except this same Radeon tard was making fun of anons who had to trim their daily living expenses to afford new PC components.

>>106303767
>'I have to put some effort to find the mass-produced good that meet my exact needs.'
The tragedy. Look up "AM5 Motherboards Sheet" in a search engine; it's a well-maintained spreadsheet of all AM5 boards

>>106303736
I said stop lying you faggot. most motherboard documentation omits mentioning that your GPU will run in 8 lanes if you use the second M2 SSD that's connected via CPU PCIe lanes. they knowingly omit this crucial bit of information.
what they are doing on AM5 is lying by omission stop acting like faggot

I only have my case left for my build

>>106303914
>. most motherboard documentation omits mentioning that your GPU will run in 8 lanes if you use the second M2 SSD that's connected via CPU PCIe lanes. they knowingly omit this crucial bit of information.
That information's also disclosed in the specsheets if it applies to that board.
Just admit you're getting filtered by motherboard shopping. You're NGMI.

ChatGPT will probably do a better job of finding the board you need.

>>106303819
The point is yes they are obfuscated you corpo, and they are also shit

>>106304017
present the data from MSI B850 GAMING PLUS WIFI motherboard manual dipshit

>>106304128
>>106303767
>trying to find a board that doesn't gimp the x16 slot if you use all the m2 slots
If you're shopping for AM5 boards, you don't have to worry about the main Gen 5x 16 slot being gimped by any M.2 config.
That's a limitation for Intel 12/13/14th gen CPUs.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-pci-express-scaling/

ChatGPT would've given you this answer.

>>106304196
apart from the most expensive AM5 motherboards, using both cpu ssds will degrade gpu to 8 lanes. many such reported cases

>>106304150
There's no Gen 5 x16 bifurcation happening on that board, whichever M.2 slot is populated.
You guys don't understand the Ryzen 7000 & 9000 CPUs' capabilities & the AM5 boards that support them.
You're literally looking for problems that don't exist for those Ryzen processors.

If you're getting filtered by motherboard shopping, just fucking quit and buy a prebuilt PC.

>>106304231
>many such reported cases
Make up shit to try to win an argument in this slant-eyed basket-weaving forum.
You are pathetic.

>>106304254
apart from the fact that people are dropping $250 on a low end motherboard and when using the second m2 ssd their gpu drops to 8 lanes only. weird huh

>>106304196
This is wrong look at the storage/expansion slot info for these boards. If you use all of the m2 slots it forces the main x16 to half bandwidth.

https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/proart/proart-x870e-creator-wifi/techspec/

https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-X870E-CARBON-WIFI/Specification

>>106304254
I don't understand why anyone frets about lane splitting anyway on NVMEs. Even PCIE Gen 3 drives are fine and SATA SSDs are even still passable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl8wXT8F3W4

>>106304285
It doesn't happen on B850 and even B650 boards because that would mean the product is running out of spec, the manufacturer needs to initiate a product recall, and they will most likely lose their business relationship with AMD..
That's bad for business.

>>106304290
Because those boards got 2 x PCIe 5.0 x16 slots, 2x 16 PCIe Gen 5 config exceeds the X870E reference spec (1x16 or 2x8 PCIe® 5.0).
>Carbon
>PCI_E1 Gen PCIe 5.0 supports up to x16 (From CPU)
>PCI_E2 Gen PCIe 5.0 supports up to x4 (From CPU)

>Pro Art
>2 x PCIe 5.0 x16 slots with Q-Release Slim (supports x16 or x8/x8** or x8/x4/x4 modes***)

Those bifurcation scenarios are presented in the spec sheets & the product manuals. No obsfucation.

>>106304313
The DRAMless fudders are the worst, especially since the better ones match the TBW endurance ratings of the DRAM NVMe drives.

>>106304341
except that it does happen on ROG STRIX B850-E GAMING WIFI which is a B850 and GPU drops to x8 when both SSDs are used, but this is mentioned in its manual.
I told you to stop eating shit but you still gobble it up, you just cannot help feasting on mountains of shit, you smear it all over your face

>>106304424
>If you're shopping for AM5 boards, you don't have to worry about the main Gen 5x 16 slot being gimped by any M.2 config.

That is wrong

>>106304533
>but this is mentioned in its manual.
It's also mentioned in the tech specs, there's no hidden bullshit going on.
You're an idiot to consider buying a $300 B850 Strix-E to begin with.

>>106304559
so on a bottom of the barrel $200 B850 it won't happen if it's not mentioned in the manual? lmao even

>>106304542
So far, people have come up with
>Two boards with two Gen 5.0 x16 slots which is out of the X870E reference spec (1x16 or 2x8 PCIe® 5.0)
>An overpriced B850 board, few savvy shoppers would consider it to begin with.
I'd rather take my chances with a $320 X870E Nova than that $300 B850 Strix E.

>>106304574
Funny how that community maintained AM5 spreadsheet (last updated in 8/15/25) doesn't note any foul play going on.
Just bitching to win an argument on 4Chan.

>>106304602
>drop $320 so you won't get scammed on lanes
the absolute state of scAM5

>>106304625
0 scams are going on; the PCIe bandwidth limitations are all publicly disclosed.

>>106304602
Those are am5 boards and they have the issue your statement is wrong

>>106304671
They all publicly disclose the lane limitations.
> they knowingly omit this crucial bit of information.
This is the main bit of contention. No obsfucation.

>>106304687
cheapest msi b850 without mentioning this detail in manual surely doesn't degrade to x8 for gpu if both ssd slots are populated? why should I trust you lol

>>106304671
>Those are am5 boards
Also, those are AM5 boards with physical lane configs that are beyond the official PCIe electrical specs for the CPU & chipset.

B850 Strix-E has fucking three Gen 5 M.2 slot when the B580 spec notes one Gen 5x4 config.
>AMD Ryzen™ 9000 & 7000 Series Desktop Processors
>M.2_1 slot (Key M), type 2242/2260/2280 (supports PCIe 5.0 x4 mode)
>M.2_2 slot (Key M), type 2242/2260/2280/22110 (supports PCIe 5.0 x4 mode)*
>M.2_3 slot (Key M), type 2280 (supports PCIe 5.0 x4 mode)*
With that many Gen 5 M.2 slots you're going to get bifurcation.
https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b850-e-gaming-wifi/spec/

I've already explained the out-of-spec physical configs of the other two boards.

>>106304753
>actually apart from this case and apart from this case and apart from this case
you lost the plot moron

>>106304738
MSI B850 Gaming Plus WiFi only has one Gen 5 x4 M.2 slot, unlike the three provided in the B850 Strix-E.
There's no need for the Gen 5 x16 lane to be split into x8 under that board config.
Learn how to shop for motherboards and how to properly read their spec sheets.
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B850-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI/Specification

The pic shows AMD's PCIe specs for each AM5 chipset, the boards with the main x16 lane having bifurcation issues exceed those electrical specs.
https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/chipsets/am5.html

>>106304788
>I don't understand why boards that exceed the total amount of PCIe Gen 5 lanes usable by the CPU have bifurcation issues.
You lost the plot, moron.

>'B850 (chipset with 20 guaranteed G5 CPU PCIe lanes) Strix-E boad's G5 x16 lane moves to x8 mode when all three of its CPU-linked G5 M.2 slots are populated!'
>8 + 3 x 4= 20
>16+4 = 20
>scAM5!
Retard faggots.