Thread 106467720

So, it happened AGAIN. We can blame paper launches, we can blame scalpers, we can praise AMD's efforts but the truth is it's simply not enough. MSRP, steam survey figures, you name it, it all stinks.
Don't get me wrong, I still have full faith in Lisa Su and the lads, but MASSIVE restockings are desperately needed in September. Otherwise I'm not very optimistic about the RX 9070 GRE, or it outselling the RTX 50 Supers for that matter. Not shipping like this. What do you think, /pcbg/? #RadeIN or #RadeOUT?

Some helpful links to numb the pain:
https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/desktops/radeon/9000-series/amd-radeon-rx-9070xt.html
https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/desktops/radeon/9000-series/amd-radeon-rx-9060xt.html
https://www.instagram.com/amd
https://jlingz.com
https://www.youtube.com/@Hardwareunboxed
https://reddit.com/r/Amd/

>>106467720 (OP)
>Hassan Mujtaba
OP is indian. It's confirmed.

The 5060 Ti is the 16GB is the first GPU worth buying in over 8 years. That probably has something to do with it.

> NVIDIA’s Discrete GPU Market Share Swells To 94%, AMD Drops To 6%
PC gamers are mongols that want only one vendor and fucking it up for everyone else.

>>106467720 (OP)
I don't care my 9070 xt did rape me on price but it was worth it. couldn't waitfag long enough for the 9060.

>>106467720 (OP)
It doesn't help that AMD is willingly rigging the market in NVIDIA's favor by constantly dropping the ball and being a generation behind. Reminder that Lisa and Jenson are cousins also.

>>106467747
>mongols
you mean mongrels

>>106467746
Sorry for this typo I was masturbating.

This is good, the more marketshare Nvidia has the less non-compliant and proprietary, anti-innovation bullshit AMD can throw at the market.
Hopefully they lose consoles too.

>>106467752
>dropping the ball and being a generation behind.
no they are a generation ahead or just above par. they also dominate CPUs now. the GPUs could just use a 50 dollar price shave and more stock.

>>106467759
Yes.

>>106467775
>This is good, the more marketshare Nvidia has the less non-compliant and proprietary, anti-innovation bullshit AMD can throw at the market.
I have to give nigvidia kernel access to use their cards. what?

>>106467778
> they are a generation ahead or just above par.
Ah yes, which is exactly why they keep dropping in market share and failing to meet even AI demands. lmao Of course you pivot to CPUs to deflect lmao

>>106467790
>AI demands. lmao Of course you pivot to CPUs to deflect lmao
how are u gonna run your nigvidia server farm without threadrippers

>>106467720 (OP)
At this point why don't AMD and Intel just bow out of the GPU market long enough to force Nvidia into a monopoly, break them up, then start back up again making more GPUs? Sounds simple enough...

>>106467720 (OP)
Oh well. Not my problem.
AMD had the opportunity to ship GPUs at MSRP but decided against it.

>AMD decides to charge basically the same price for their inferior cards
>Even poors stop buying AMD
Wow what a surprise

>>106467898
I wanted a sapphire nitro 9060 xt but had to get a 9070 xt because it just didn't stock when the 9060 xt came out. I also had a 9070 regular in my cart when that came out for the first 10 minutes but didn't pull the trigger. I really wanted that orange box art but settled for the blue. I guess I at least have a few more raytracing cores.

>>106467870
It's hard to believe but AMD is still making money on graphics

>>106467828
>continues to pivot to CPU because he knows their GPUs are trash
It's Epyc also retard. No datacenter is running threadrippers lmao.

>>106467720 (OP)
/rug/ bros...

>>106467720 (OP)
this shit isn't real. ask any game developer who tracks the telemetry it's closer to 25%. this is just speculation based on units sold, which most are going into AI datacenters.

It seems a bit crazy to me that AMD and nVidia both use TSMC for their products, since it means they're basically fighting over a finite resource to produce cards while in direct competition for market sales. It seems like the bottleneck - and thus the lack of stock, above-MSRP price gouging, etc - is down to the lack of competing fabrication facilities.

>>106467720 (OP)
KWABOTY

>>106467720 (OP)
Imagine willing participating in creating a monopoly in something you care about. I'll happily run my 9070 XT for years.

>>106467720 (OP)
DLSS was the final nail in the coffin. AMD realized that it needed an equivalent too late.

AMD just straight up lied about MSRP so they need a continued kick in the nuts to stop playing the fucking -$50 on Nvidia. I bought two 5070 Tis and a 5090 at MSRP and I still haven't had a MSRP 9070 XT show up on my alert apps since launch.

>>106467778
Is that why their cards have worse performance than Nvidia equivalents while drawing more power?

>>106468693
nvidia hides power draw in the cpu. this is why nvidia has a cpu overhead.
they also perform the same.

>>106467870
i have to assume that the people involved are privy to more information than me and are making decisions that make sense with said information.

>>106467870
They get plenty of graphics money from their APUs in handhelds and consoles. The discrete GPUs are secondary to that, but helpful.

>>106468689
AMD has such a habit of snatching defeat from the jars of victory that it has to be collusion again

>>106467746
How do you justify spending 500€ on a low-mid range card?

radv is like 30-50% faster than windows nvidia driver

>>106467746
It isn't. It's a massive waste of money.

>>106469345
yet it has never been quantified in a benchmark

>>106467720 (OP)
In other words, Nvidia is a monopoly and it's time to break them up or we'll get another Intel on our hands in a few years once the Chinese step their game up.

>>106469505
amd windows driver is already faster than nvidias windows driver and the amd linux driver is even faster than the amd windows driver.

>>106469546
notice how you didn't post a benchmark of radv 9070XT competing with a 5090 on average at 4k

>>106467720 (OP)
ITT SEETHEING AMDRONES

>>106467720 (OP)
Its will be close to 0% once super series drop. Its over...

>>106469502
That's because you have not checked out Reflex 2 and multi frame generation, raster is close to being obsolete and that card will play anything for the next 8 years easily because of neural rendering

>>106467733
I don't see how, indians love AMD just like they love Android, what's the saying?
>sars AMD and Android are very good value sars!
They're cheap so it fits

>>106467759
Nyo he's correct. Nvidia has its mongol army.

>NOOOO there's so much land around us, can't you share it peacefully with the rest of us!?
>Mongol say "haha conquest!"
>don't you know that Genghis Khan will get all of the women and not you? It's not in your personal interest NOOOOOO

>>106467720 (OP)
How many Nvidia GPUs are actually in gamers PCs though? I know the company I work for has 25 5080s...

>>106467828
Most companies still seem to be deeply I to Xeon servers though

>>106467720 (OP)
>not #RadeON or #RadeOFF
One job retard

>>106467870
Monopolies in and of themselves are not illegal
If you're otherwise not doing anything (provable) anti-competitive to your competitors, then your competitors being incompetent and not being able to catch up does not make your monopoly illegal

>>106470217
Are any of those computers partaking in the Steam hardware survey?
It's the best we've got as a representative gaming PC sample

>>106467720 (OP)
diy market is just 1% or less of the total pc market
the vast majority of pc enjoyers buy prebuilts where amd is absent

>>106468587
tsmc has vacancy. big boy chips like nvidia's ai accelerators are bottlenecked by substrate and hbm supply

Turns out abandoning the high-end market eventually fucks you with the halo effect.
Who knew!?

>>106467778
>they also dominate CPUs now.
especially in the house fire segment

>>106467720 (OP)
Discrete gayming SKUs are just not sexy. Even Nvidia doesn't give a crap. It is dying. /v/tards who can't see that iGPUs are becoming good enough for the masses in most stuff. Even power users are getting fatigue from trying to chase 4K and high framerates on content that is increasingly becoming lackluster.

>>106471188
Nope, discrete GPUs are dying and don't make sense for AMD to retain at trying to make a high-end gayming SKUs all when they have little presence in since Hawaii. They rather spend their limited TSMC production lot on more profitable Zen4/Zen5 chiplets.
Nvidia doesn't give a crap either and would rather sell more profitable ML/AI-tier SKUs for their production lot if the yields were better.

>>106469928
>using framegen
what does it feel like being a brown person?

>>106467720 (OP)
AMD should stick to CPUs.
The only purpose AMD GPUs and Intel GPUs have is slight competition against Nvidia.

Also
>94%
>6%
>"Intel's market share for discrete graphics cards is effectively zero as of early to mid-2025."
Kek.

>>106467720 (OP)
stop using ai to make the original post for you you lazy faggot

>>106469546
Checks out, AMD GPUs are for poorfags and only poorfags still run 1080p or 1440p.

amd lost
vulkan lost

that's what happens when you decide to save on programmers and hire indians.

>>106471324
actually true. amd have been pouring increasingly more resources into making more powerful APUs each year

>>106471537
>vulkan lost
Vulkan and DX12 are the only APIs even used nowadays.

>>106471537
>amd lost
>vulkan lost
Vulkan isn't AMD though, it was based on Mantle but that's it, Intel and Nvidia has just as big of a say and development in Vulkan as AMD.

>>106471537
i'm using vulkan in mpv and its also usable by billions of android phones

>>106471563
It's even more extreme than that, with zink and dxvk companies don't even have to implement DirectX and OpenGL anymore to get games using those to run on their GPUs

>>106467909
Here amd cards are generally cheaper for the same perf, also I will never ever give money to kikedia.

>>106468529
>it's closer to 25%
WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO

>>106467720 (OP)
This all falls on AMD
Only way I'll buy an AMD card is if it's free.
I started with an Nvidia card and the only time I experienced significant problems with any piece of PC hardware is when I "upgraded" from a GTX 560 Ti to an R9 380 based on a recommendation from AMD evangelists.

Oh yeah it was faster but the CTDs and the visual issues in some games make it suck. I held on to it it because "muh AMD fine wine" but every driver just fixed one thing to bring another.
>inb4 that was a decade ago, things are better
They where supposed to be better then too.

>>106467720 (OP)
Don't care, still not using nVidia because it's unusable on Linux.

>>106467720 (OP)
AMD lost the GPU war when GeForce 8000 happened.

>>106467720 (OP)
Just another case of people buying what others have. Will only gain more traction the more we move to the drone-based-society era with India and China unleashing a demographical armageddon on everyone else.

>>106467870
>thinking people still give a shit about monopolies
Nigger, the number of companies that would've been considered monopolies over 20 years ago is insane. Nothing is being done because it's better for a country to make a ton of money than it is to think about consumers or freedom of choice.
If America were to punish nVidia, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Cloudflare, etc. they'd lose the market war to China. Not to mention almost every single politician is either directly paid by these companies or has stocks in them. It's become unaffordable to go against monopolies.

>>106467746
It isnt. Too expensive. Too weak.

>>106469531
The americans haven’t been able to break up predatory monopolies since Reagan. It’s why they live in a corpo hellscape and will get gutted by chinks but I digress.

>>106467746
This is why poors stay poor. Retardation.

>>106471813
I had the annoying cursor corruption bug on my hd7950 and that series was generally afflicted with stuttering issues

>>106471813
I’ve had black screens and driver hang ups on my 200, 600 and 3000 series cards. None on my RX 590 or RTX 4090, but I know that’s not the case with all 40/50 series cards.

>>106467720 (OP)
>wccftech
I can only imagine what an absolute shitshow that comment section is

>>106467870
monopolies are trivial to get around nowadays
Nvidia would just claim it isn't one because of mobile gaming or some shit

I don't think people stopped buying AMD AMD just do not ship enough cards. Nvidia ship like 8 million for every 1 million AMD ship. Nvidia probably ship too many cards themselves. They have a grand total of two cards this gen and for some reason they thought this would get them to 40% market share? Fucking how. Then the 9070XT is $200 more than it should be.

>>106471954

This is also why Nvidias pricing makes no sense. There's like 3x more Nvidia cards in stock than AMD yet they're all more expensive than AMD. You can find 3x as many 5080s but they're all $1000-1400 for the same transistor count as a 7900XTX GCD but that costs $600 now used.

>>106469326
By not being poor

>>106469326
that's the market
it is what it is

I can get picrel for just about 60€ more than the cheapest 9070xt, or for basically the same price as some of the other more expensive models.
https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N507TWF3OC-16GD

Anything wrong with this model of 5070TI specifically? im about to just pull the trigger to upgrade from a 3060TI (algo from gigashyte)

>>106467870
Because starving yourself to death waiting for someone else dies from obesity is a retarded plan. Nvidia would just be broken up into multiple companies and those companies would be leading the industry.

>>106472270
nVidia is in a higher demand. A small company I worked for had 200k nVidia GPUs, most of which were consumer grade. Almost no AMD GPUs.

>>106467720 (OP)
Its just crazy how some people will simply NOT EVEN CONSIDER getting an amd or intel card.
I recently got help in /pcbg/ to make a build for a friend living in another country and the build HAD to be nvidiagpu+intelcpu
He has no idea at all about this shit but wouldnt budge an inch about getting an amd cpu or god forbid a gpu

>>106472395
It's somewhat amusing how often tech-illiterate normies make better purchasing decisions than supposedly informed hobbyists (none of you redditors are actual professionals) do. Good on him for choosing the only viable option and not getting scammed by AMD.

Honestly it's fine by me. With low market share and low demand I can keep getting one generation old AMD flagships for cheap.

having an asrock b450 is fucking hell fuck you mean i cant buy any of the cheap 2TB nvme's because of this shit?

>>106469928
Why do you need frame gen?

>>106467870
the reason AMD exists is to shield nvidia from monopoly laws

>>106472395
The real problem is the insistence on Intel CPUs since they're objectively the worse option these days unless you find something cheaply that hits some dollar/fps metricm Ive met somewhat computer savvy people who say stuff about AMD CPUs having bad drivers.

>>106472568
>they're objectively the worse option
lol
AMD *mouse disconnects* CPUs *wifi disconnects* are *I/O failure* garbage

AMD couldn't make great cards during two important hardware generations (Maxwell & Pascal), and they've never recovered since.

nobody wants to deal with shitty drivers

>>106472703
This, which is why you should avoid Blackwell at all costs

>>106467720 (OP)
Saw this one, only desktop AMD is close to 30%, they couple Desktop and mobile. How the share would be if AMD used all APUS they sold.? they still have graphics.
So in the end this is just data manipulation.

>>106472723
i have zero issues with my 5090

>>106467870
you haven't been following the Google case huh

>>106472583
>things that don't happen.exe

>>106472766
did they fix these issues already? last i checked, people were complaining for years about USB dropping randomly while AMD did nothing.

>>106472751
yeah selling a few more steam decks is sure gonna change these numbers

>>106472772
Never had anything like that on my current 5800x3d or the 2700 before that.

>>106472782
No retard, every single laptop chip they sell is an APU.

>>106472824
The GPUs in AMD APUs are captured in the survey; they are one of the generic Radeon GPUs.
And those shares are shrinking.

>>106472824
Oh yeah AMD laptops
THOSE are gonna change the numbers

>>106467870
Why would a monopoly ever be broken up? That sounds like communism!

>>106472983
That is where the discrepancy is coming. AMD is 0.7 million Desktop shipments agains nvidias 2.4 close to 30%. them if you add 1.7 of mobile you get this absurd number. so yes the mobile changed the way that you can frame things. >>106472877
this is not the steam survey this is DGPU shipings.

>>106473019
The Steam survey shows those APUs won't change the fact that NVIDIA is dominating the PC market.

A 4060 Laptop GPU has a larger Steam install base compared to all the Radeon APUs & iGPUs added up.

4chan janny dox dump
go fuck yourself you disgusting kike nigger sludge
https://files.catbox.moe/mw4lzy.zip
death to israel, death to all kike niggers and their golems. there is no future for you.

AMD should invest aggressively in laptops with AI enabled with Radeon and discourage AMD+Nvidia ones.

Lol userbenchmark posting

>>106473071
>>106473033
The stream survey is showing up for amd users

>>106473130
isn't*

>>106471954
>the 9070XT is $200 more than it should be.
ALL cards are more than they should be you faggot, the whole market is fucked. A 5090 is fucking $3600 in canada.

>>106473130
And it's capturing the new Radeon dGPUs, they're just not selling well enough.
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/directx/

>>106473071
>A 4060 Laptop GPU has a larger Steam install base compared to all the Radeon APUs & iGPUs added up.
NO the AMD APU will change this

just you wait they're selling so many Ryzen Ai Max + 395 APUs

and just wait until the Framework Desktop numbers come in

>>106473211
Those are all too expensive for normie PC gamers.
The laptop 4060 isn't even a real 4060 GPU.

>>106471954
they shiped .7m to 2.4m from nvdia and nvidia shiped 1.7 in mobile where
>>106473171
AMD and intel sells APUS and DGPUS. where this graph neglegts that. every single nvidia sold is coulpled with either an intel or an AMD product that have graphics in them. so this graph shows a product already sold
>>106473211
is not a dGPU you realize that is the problem395 can sell 20 m and will change nothing.
>>106473225
but you can get a krackan or a lunar lake
that probally will ship more than those 1.7m these quarter that will not count for that number.

>>106473171
It's optional and it's not showing up for amd users.

>>106467746
>Barely better than a 3070
>But saaar it has beutifool frame gen sar best technology
Get a load of this shitjeet

Are AMD's Linux drivers better than their Windows ones?

>>106469326
The 7800GTX, which probably released before you were born, was $600 MSRP and it was not top of the line, that was the 7900 (or the 7950 if I remember correctly which was two sandwiched 7900s).

That's almost $1000 in today's money, even by the bogus government inflation figures. If you go by gold price which is closer to real inflation, it'd be something like $5000.

>>106467720 (OP)
>NVIDIA’s Discrete GPU Market Share Swells To 94%, AMD Drops To 6% Anonymous No.106467720 [Reply]▶
wow it must be true

Everything becomes a monopoly eventually--GPUs, browsers, all technology. And governments will do nothing to stop it as they are in the pockets of the corporations. Human civilization will end at the hands of the competency crisis.

>>106473355
Blame the paranoid Radeon owners for declining the survey.
Valve has no reason to rig the survey against AMD hardware.
Funny how it's capturing Ryzen CPUs just fine.

>>106467720 (OP)
NVIDIA FO LIFE

>>106467720 (OP)
>jlingz.com
Rework your /sp/ post, sir

>>106469947
>They're cheap so it fits
They're cheap when providing service. They will go all out to show off like niggers though.

>>106473608
wow 2.5 things to unpack here
first "not top of the line" is not synonymous with low-mid range
second argumant from inflation needs to classed as a formal falicy like yesterday
the first video cars i buyded (sic) with my own money was a 7950GT also nta

>>106472277
And not having a brain

>>106473650
>>NVIDIA’s Discrete GPU Market Share Swells To 94%, AMD Drops To 6% Anonymous No.106467720 [Reply]▶
>wow it must be true

And Intel vacillates between watching from the corner and licking cum from the floor. Sad really because their GPGPU software stack is more straightforward than anything that AMD has shat out.

pic not rel. just the first one clicked

>>106467720 (OP)
>#RadeIN or #RadeOUT?
Next time make it #RadeON or #RadeOFF

>>106473171
I'm on a 3060, came from a 1650 and both are still on the charts. The market would be a lot less gay if Red and Blue got their shit together.

>>106467720 (OP)
DLSS4 has made non-nvidia cards feel pointless desu, at least for gayming

>>106473800
its pronounced "ruh-DEE-yahn", nigga.

>>106473833
>DLSS4 has made non-nvidia cards feel pointless desu, at least for gayming
Oh they're pointless in other fields too!

>>106473845
true enough

Why did everyone fall for fake frames?

>>106473904
people like DLSS, framegen is more divisive

Why is DLSS4 available on ALL RTX cards but FSR4 is 9070/9060 Only?

>>106467870
nearly all consoles and portable devices use amd gpu.

>>106473993
Because they didn't care about upscaling or rt performance until sony wanted it.

>>106472530
it's just shows the architecture is capable of nvidia own FIFO solution which allows you interpolate frames without the latent being degraded, based on the state of multiframe gen you can tell that in 3 years we'll get neural rendering ready.

>>106468689
>I already spent multiple times more on nvidia then ai would on amd and they won't even lower the price to get my scraps
you're all fucking retarded
Want nvidia to stop fucking you in the ass? Stop buying

i fucking love monopolies, taiwanese ethno-mafia's and cartels

>>106475683
this but unironically

AMD just need more time

>>106472378
yeah gigabyte used goop on those instead of thermal pads
it'll ooze out the bottom eventually

it is sorta funny
for reasons of stupidity I have both a 5070 ti and 9070 xt
and I have had numerous more crashes on the 5070 ti than the rx 9070 xt
not that anecdotes matter but if I am selling one it's the 5070 ti. probably better resale too. but for now my brother is using it

>>106467720 (OP)
I’m not buying another Nvidia card until i’m absolutely forced to. My 2060 had awful drivers, whereas my 7900 XT just works.

>>106467720 (OP)
>https://jlingz.com/
Good job, OP

>>106472703
This is a meme. It is a cover for fools overclocking their CPU and memory. Just because your CPU overclock endures Prime95/Linpack for 24hour doesn't mean it is "stable". The CPU can shit itself with executing certain code. Graphic pipeline is very sensitive to this and drivers will crash hard.

only an idiot would buy an amd card

As a gamer and ai user/pytorch dabbler
Why would I ever touch amd for gpu?
For sucks ass compared to dssl4
No frame gen
No ai support
No cuda
No pytorch
It just seems like a dumb buy
My rtx 2070 years after it launched is actually more powerful because of drivers and dlss upgrades

>>106471611
AMD owns a decent amount of nvidia stock so buying an nvidia graphics card makes them more money than buying an actual AMD GPU.
Welcome to capitalism.

>>106471548
That's a pretty fucking clever strategy tb|h. Why sell a 9060 for $299 when you can sell a 16 core Ryzen 9 with an old 8060 on package for $1200.

>>106472583
They finally fixed this issue this February for me. 3 years of random stuttering and usb disconnects.
t. x570 + 5900X.

>>106467746
For 1080p sure.

>>106467870
Because they made almost 13 billion in profit last year? Up over 20% YoY from then?

>>106467770
Your cum shall be blessed.

>>106467752
AMD has nvidia agents in their radeon division.
And it goes beyond “muh lisa jensen cousins” because the infiltrators have been there long before su took over.

>>106480746
Why do people attribute overly complicated conspiracies when simple incompetence is the most logical and most likely answer

>>106480761
>Nvidia engineer gets hired by radeon
>Has more stock options in nvidia, also generally is more fond of his time at nvidia.
>Decides to do a little trolling.
Wow so complicated.
Also your point about incompetence would only make them more likely to be disloyal if they’re coming from jensen’s tightly run ship to jeeteon.
It can be both, simultaneously.

>>106480761
previous experience, pattern recognition, being white. you pick.

>>106480761
how do you suppose nvidia has thwarted amd's plans before they happen? like how did nvidia decide that it was the right move to use the biggest ga102 chip for the 3080 just right when amd has made their strongest gpu generation in more than 5 years with rdna2?

>>106480799
>>106480784
>>106480780
But Nvidia has no reason to do any of that because no matter what ecelebs say about a graphics card most people are buying their gaming PCs from best buy or their local equivalent.
The people AMD have to convince to use their parts are Alienware and HP, not us.

90% of people wanting a gaming PC walk into their local store and ask the guy "whats good, I have $2000" and then get upsold on a $3000 machine.

>>106480799
>like how did nvidia decide that it was the right move to use the biggest ga102 chip for the 3080 just right when amd has made their strongest gpu generation in more than 5 years with rdna2?
What fucking schizo rationalization is this? Nvidia would not have made their traditionally strong high-tier card as good as it was if they thought that... AMD was going to suck harder that year?

TRY
NOT
SUCKING

>>106480857
>Nvidia would not have made their traditionally strong high-tier card as good as it was if they thought that... AMD was going to suck harder that year?
That's exactly what they did for the 4080 and 5080. Both are hot garbage relative to what the 1080 and 3080 are.

>>106467746
16GB are totally wasted by the 128 bits bus

>>106467720 (OP)
They have to get rid of Lisa. I can't stand listening to her low energy ass on another earnings call.

i was considering getting a 9060 xt 16gb because it's the cheapest card with decent vram.
but i'm probably just gonna get the 5060 8gb because i have a feeling that AMD is going to have quirks that piss me off.

for example i haven't played minecraft in years but there's a mod that only works on nvidia cards (because of nvidia's opengl) that vastly increases performance on high draw distance. i expect AMD cards to be disadvantaged in various ways similar to that.

>>106481419
Well this can't be good for business

>>106482580
Investors shorting AMD to sell to Intel

How long till AMD throws the towel and stops making GPUs?

>>106482019
>most valuable goy.png

>>106467720 (OP)
Amd should quit the GPU market, fixing driver issues for 10 years and still no equivalent to CUDA. utterly pathetic. dont tell me "theyre fixed now" i had horrible issues on day1 games 5700xt and 7900xtx. last time i had no driver issues was the HD6950. switched to nvidia never looking back but the poors can keep coping

>>106482731
do you expect them to just stop developing graphics altogether?
if anything they're rushing udna because rdna got them in this mess, they tried to compete with the 3090 and they lost on features, so the 4090 had no competitor and rdna4 is low effort and monolithic

>>106482641
Intel is gonna come out of nowhere due to government funding and some genuinely good ideas that have been starved of funds. Come on guys, we have a war with the Chins on the horizon.

>>106482756
>and still no equivalent to CUDA.
This right here.

>>106482580
that looks like a bottom signal 2me.

>>106482731
probably not anytime soon since its free money for them. their gpu development is funded by sony and microsoft and will be/is funded by AI investors

>>106471485
1440p ultrawide is for richfags doe?

If the AI bubble hypothetically pops maybe AMD could have a radeon moment with UDNA

>>106485761
yes since ultrawide tax is real cuz of the area it takes from the full screen wafer

>>106467720 (OP)
Team red sista's the meany greenies are MOGGING us again!

>>106471819
^ This >>106467720 (OP)
AMD is just fine for my needs personally, sure I'll admit NigVidia occasionally does something that is genuinely impressive (other than exploding an causing house fires) but I'd rather just have the guaranteed stability and low power consumption while running Mint.

>>106483556
>Option A: use a framework that has been refined to perfection over many years by millions of devs and billions of dollars
>Option B: use a new baby born framework that will surely suffer from instability and has an uncertain future

>>106483556
fyi sycl is dead. even intel is abandoning it.

>>106472395
Boomers at my workplace still hold the mentally of NEVER buying an AMD CPU. They tell new guys "whatever you buy, make sure it's got an Intel CPU." Bulldozer era was just that traumatic for them.

I am on this site that ranks what stocks analysts are buying and selling and the guy with the worst rating on the whole site is literally the only one saying to sell your nvidia stock now lol

>>106473171
>they're just not selling well enough.
Maybe they shouldn't be retailing for $200 above MSRP for the lowest bin models then.

>>106467720 (OP)
AMD couldn't afford the high volume to get more market. else they wouldn't have kept the prices so high for so long on 9070 and 9070XT. I don't think they even expected such high demand for them

>>106486436
Say it ain't so! But seriously, CUDA is the ONLY game in town.

>>106471403
I use framegen with my 5090
What now fuck face?

>>106487837
I tried frame gen on my gpu and now my 5090 is gay.

>>106467720 (OP)
Well duh, you can't gain market share if you only ever make 30 gpus per generation.

I really like my NVIDIA A2000 16GB that only uses 70Watts but still kicks AI ass.

Just say'in...

>>106486533
My Intel I9-14900 works real good even though it is idle 99% of the time. :D

>>106467720 (OP)
>still no windows rocm
LMAO

>>106486533
That's a good thing. Intel having some marketshare will keep ryzen prices down unlike what's happened to radeon and geforce

>>106467720 (OP)
I'm starting to think it's never gonna get low enough for me to get a decent GPU.

>>106467752
100% this. I'll never understand why they keep fucking up the only reason imo is Lisa is rigging in favor of this .

>>106475588
I'm seeing more and more people starting to believe we're living in some pre-paradigm shift window and that 'traditional' raster is going the way of the dinosaurs soon because of AI

>>106481380
I wish we had ram slots in GPU, I don't care how slow the fucking ram is they need to stop crying and just slap more on there

>>106468689
>MSRP
>lied
kek what

>>106489629
The CEO of amd is the cousin of the Nvidia CEO, it's all rigged

>>106486533
Amd refuses to fix their ram, their low power states, their usb ports and all manner of other quality of life issues and they wonder why they are still treated like the second class citizens they are.
Intel has gone to shit lately but amd refuses to acknowledge their issues and actually compete with intel or nvidia.
Retards are going to retard and fall for it though. Amd are the nigger jeetware of the tech world.
>>106489615
By the time it’s going to lower the inflation will spike again - people seem to have no idea what’s coming

>>106467720 (OP)
It's weird I swapped to intel arc a770 and 7900xtx last year had zero problems
As soon as I got a new 3050ti the weird B's starts again

Nvidia have the inferior product hands down

>>106489629
I mean, AMD is (or was) going all-in on Ryzen, Radeon was a sidegig. And they had limited amounts of money. Meanwhile, Nvidia had and has 10 times as much as money as AMD does and has never slacked on R&D like Intel. It only makes sense that AMD would struggle to catch up.

I just upgraded my gaming computer to 2016 components (xeon + RX 480) and I will now play games between 2016-2019 and all indie games since

>>106490028
>I wish we had ram slots in GPU, I don't care how slow the fucking ram is they need to stop crying and just slap more on there

Problem is GPU RAM is like 14GHz buss speed now so we are far into the microwave range now. No human (let alone idiot) compatible socket exists for those speeds.

300KM/sec / 14000000000 is about 21mm separating the data bits in a wire....

The real problem with GPU ram is timing the data lines....

>>106467720 (OP)
I have already realized my rtx 3090 will never be obsolete. Instead, I sidestepped to Intel's dGPU lineups.
I have an Arc a380 and b580 for my servers
I'm going to buy several b60 workstation cards for my homelab when they finally come out.

When AMD is going to stop acting like discount-Nvidia, I might consider using them again.
The RX 580 was lightning in a bottle, and they started falling behind again.

Still can't justify replacing my 1080ti.

>>106480799
3080 was a concerned response to big RDNA2. Nvidia saw what smallish RDNA2 was pulling off in XSX/PS5 and thought a big version would spank Ampere hard. Most of Ampere was build on cheap/but shitty Samsung 10nm node (marketed as 8nm) so it would have not impact margins by much.

>>106480956
3080 was a fluke. Nvidia stop using big version of their silicon with xx80 brand starting with Kepler. 3080 was a concerned reason that was later discontinued and replaced with the more expensive 3080Ti/3080 12GiB SKUs.

>>106467720 (OP)
It is what it is. my 6950 still works just fine for me and i see no reason to upgrade so i wont. Maybe UDNA is going to save amd but most likely not. they are just gonna fuck up an easy win like they usually do.

i haven't used radeon since pre HL2 days, so i wouldn't know if anything is wrong with it. nvidia is just so readily available. i used a radeon on a home media pc though, no problems there.