Thread 106561477

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>News
Kimi K2 0905 released https://moonshotai.github.io/Kimi-K2
Deepseek V3.1 released as deepseek-chat on official API https://api-docs.deepseek.com/news/news250821
OpenAI releases GPT-5 models, all preceding models slated for deprecation https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5
Z.ai releases GLM-4.5 https://z.ai/blog/glm-4.5
Anthropic releases Claude Opus 4.1 https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-1

additional info: https://aicg.neocities.org/info.html

>Frontends
SillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.app
RisuAI: https://risuai.net
Agnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides_

>Bots
https://characterhub.org [deprecated] | https://chub.ai
https://realm.risuai.net
https://char-archive.evulid.cc
https://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.org
https://aicg.neocities.org/bots.html

>Models
jailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listing
gpt: https://platform.openai.com/docs
claude: https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claude
gemini: https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qr
deepseek: https://api-docs.deepseek.com
local: >>>/g/lmg | https://aicg.neocities.org/local.html | https://openrouter.ai

>Botmaking
https://aicg.neocities.org/botmaking.html
https://desune.moe/aichared
https://agnai.chat/editor

>Meta
OP templates: https://rentry.org/aicgOP
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services assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_meta
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useful filters: https://rentry.org/desuproxyreborn

Previous: >>106556205

desu

>>106561477 (OP)
>>106561479
These days, you can get legit good AI for free and without needing any demanding hardware on your end.

Install SillyTavern:
https://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavern

Tutorial and video:
https://aicharactercards.com/guides/sillytavern-installation-instructions/

Then choose a model:
https://archive.md/wVtKU

Guide to setting up a proxy:
https://archive.md/Vuzuh#heading-1

>>106561477 (OP)
WHERE THE FUCK IS OPEN ROUTER HQED?? TEHRAN!?
>gift card: declined payment
>crypto: declined payment
>cash app: declined payment
>personal CC: approved for 10$ but declined next payment after the first test payment
>pedrsonal debit: declined payment
I COULD LITERALLY BY CRACK OR A GUN EASIER THAN THIS

>>106561516
Is this supposed to be some kind of weird spite ritual post? I don't get it.

>>106561537
i just used by schwab debit card and it declined once, answered the fraud alert on my phone and next attempt went through

>>106561537
They know you're using it for gooning so the processors refuse to let it slide.

Hmm I think gemini does better sex scenes than sonnet.

>>106561555
use opus
unless you're, of course, a tranny

>>106561555
ozone queefs

>>106561563
I am :3

>>106561566
>I am :3

it's a good night for filters

finally tried new kimi, this blows away sonnet imo, no idea why I didn't try it before, claude left, kimi right, same prompts

another swipe from both again

>wall of slop text
sure, enjoy your chinkcope

>>106561632
get a new gimmick /vg/foid

>>106561632
>not having a single line of text is bad
either way, claude was shit in comparison, glad I no longer need to pay for it

genuinely feel sorry for those who read that shit

>>106561632
>>106561641
obvious samefag is obvious

>>106561614
>>106561614
which version of sonnet are you comparing to?

>>106561646
3.7

>>106561614
>i can coom to fast burn adjective/adverb riddled ai sloppa instead of spending hours tuning the prose to perfection
>i only care about the literal sex part
I don't even know why you uncultured swine even bother with JBs and trying out different models.

>>106561614
>>106561622
my experience with kimi-k2 is it's absurdly overdramatic, like some kind of marvel movie script that a 12yo would find epic
for example, characters don't argue with you, they backflip through the air doing somersaults and land with a knife one cm from your eyeball. i was testing an argument prompt on every model and the kimi-k2 one was fucking absurdly hilariously over the top.

also it outputs 4x more than other models. whichever chinks they RLHF'd it on definitely think that more text == automatically better. not surprising from the race in this video who have some kind of pathological peasant concern with having "the most" of everything

the only interesting chinkmodel is GLM 4.5, it is quite creative and "integrated" in some ways. it almost makes me think there is some sort of unexplored advantage to a model being small/dense - perhaps it can access more neurons more easily

>>106561645
What?

so you finally remembered to copy the filenames too

>>106561650
this is with a 2 word prefill on both, and its at 1.0 temp because sonnent is dry as fuck otherwise

>>106561640
ponyfag you say that for every new chinkcope model, its boring by now

>>106561664
>everyone who posts pony is the same person
what model did I say that for before?

These have been made on page 7 or 8, but I can tell that this baker is going to slowly get tired until the bakes slide to page 9 again.
One day we will be waiting on page 10 wondering where the baker left. And that's the moment I'm going to strike.
You can't keep the act forever.

>>106561653
I can toggle (You) too
Now your post belongs to me

>>106561670
>hes using kiwi
Filthy, worthless, ban evading tranny

>>106561677
cry about it nigga

>>106561649
seems to compare pretty favorably with that little setup on both sides, imo glm is better though

>>106561614
>>106561622
more isn't better, chud

>>106561650
what is the purpose of this post?

Any deepseek proxies?

>>106561691
the left sure isnt better, dry as fuck and almost the same every swipe even at 1.0 temp

>>106561677
>ban evading
you mean that thing you do /vg/foid?

Question: When everyone talk Kimi, are we talking about kimi-k2-instruct-0712 (the original from HuggingFace) or the latest and great kimi-k2-instruct-0905?

>>106561706
0905, saw people talking about it on the OR and featherless discord so I tried it

my take is that while none of the chink models are better than claude due to the intelligence gap theyre still worth experimenting with and supporting

>>106561622
kimi used 42 em dashes btw and claude used 9

>>106561479
OC Nikker that I finally got around to finishing up and polishing off after coming up with the idea too long ago.

Eva always dreamed of being a botanist, somebody who'd go out once the Surface was recaptured and catalogue all the new life that'd sprouted in humanity's absence. She was also a member of a death cult, one that she wasn't fully on board with but unluckily found herself surrounded by on the day that Raptures found their way into the Ark. Months later, you bump into her again. But this time, she doesn't remember who you are.

Comes with three greetings, you bumping shoulders with Acht and her squadmate as they're between sites, her performing security detail for a high class event, and her on the border of becoming Maverick as she suddenly remembers Eva.

Char: https://chub.ai/characters/ggr89/acht-they-turned-your-dead-girlfriend-into-a-nikke-2f08495301a1
Lorebook: https://chub.ai/lorebooks/ggr89/ggr-nikke-uncommander-d-0d68555c6e09
My (Updated!) Rentry: https://rentry.org/ggr89
>Next Time
Bunny Ade and Milk

>>106561713
That's what I said when DSv3/r1 dropped
The potential is there.

Close to Claude but dirt cheap? Sign me up.

But few months later, it stagnated and someways regressed (so had Claude to be fair)

>>106561734
imo newest kimi is a giant leap, before deepseek and old kimi were for sure not comparable. Now just slightly dumber but far better writing which I prefer

>>106561743
reasonable take, i still need all the intelligence i can get so i stick with claude

>>106561614
>>106561652
Weird my main complaint with his log was that Kimi's text is way longer than mine. My Kimi always writes little. Are you sure it's not a preset issue?

>>106561811
I resumed a claude story with long responses and it kept them long so that is probably what it is

>>106561637
>everyone I don't like is the same person

>>106561815
so you fed kimi claude logs and are now trying to praise kimi ? Are you retarded ? Wait no dont answer that, of course you are

>>106561832
did you see the swipes? kimi did a better job than claude did. And I've of course tried stories with just kimi

>>106561815
Yeah I've never seen claude write so little except sonnet 3.6. That's a weird log.

>>106561706
y'all really be getting my hopes up for kimi-k2-0905 then hurl in "hurr hurr it's Kimi continuing Claude"
fuck off

>>106561847
are you retarded? the first few responses are claude, how does that effect the last several besides response length? I showed you how dry claude was in comparison for the same parts even

>>106561851
No it absolutely matters how the chat starts... Da hell nigga...

>>106561840
>>106561851
You are actually slow holy shit.
Well enjoy your chinkcope, cant wait to see you shilling the next chink model in a few weeks

>>106561866
So do you start with cards that have no intro at all then? Does that count?

>>106561883
What kind of an idiotic question is that

>>106561885
the same 'point' you are making. That the first part of the context effects it that much, so having a shit intro will be just the same then

>>106561889
Damn you were in a special tard class werent you ? Or were you homeschooled?

>>106561901
you can't even describe a difference between going in with a intro written by a person, or using another llm for 1 message then switching, huh?

>>106561909
Stop embarassing yourself, ponyfucker

>>106561697
>begging for the model that costs pennies
I always knew the bweeeh tranny was underage and living in india

>>106561921
that is what I thought, poor troll attempt

>>106561923
Yeah I'm just a tranny, I'm coming to grape you. :3 >3<

>>106561929
>Yeah I'm just a tranny, I'm coming to grape you. :3 >3<

>>106561936
Yeah thats me. Ready for my gock? O__o

>>106561938
>gock?
That's an axewound. And its infected.

>>106561840
post the solo kimi logs

>>106561940
Not to cut in or anything, but gock would be a FtM tranny pretending to have a penis.

Why are all gemini TTS voice sound like fucking hags
When will they sample kids

>>106561966
Use this
https://github.com/rany2/edge-tts

I'm reporting chatgpt to hr

>>106561563
Oh yeah, I can't wait for more "half-lidded eyes," "hair cascading like a curtain" during "ministrations" in her "core."

>>106562152
I can't wait for you to de-transition.

>>106562152
You mean the cliche lines that are in every single model because they're all trained on the same datasets?
Maybe try learning another language and prompting smut that isn't in English if you want better erotic prose.

>>106562192
Have you tried not being obsessed with trannies?
>inb4 "I'm not obsessed with trannies, I just think about them constantly and post about them all the time!"

>>106562198
Have you tried not being trans?

>slopusjeet resorts to insults instead dof admitting his model has issues
>claudechad in the following post recognizes that his model has that issue and provides a solution
know the difference! slopusjeet vs claudechad!

>dof
Shaking transgender hands.

>resorts to more insults
thanks for proving my point there slopusjeet, why dont you take a seat so claudechads can talk?

>>106561961
they ruined the bit by being retarded.... lost interest..... sigh.... that user was made for the BBC

it's having a meltie lol

>>106562198
>>106562207
>>106562230

Proxy with claude,grok,gemini and more
https://aiproxy.pw

I just spent 5 hours playing with my shota bot. Holy fuck that was hot. Guess I'm gay now.

Lots of 503s tonight from Gemini

>>106562306
take your meds tranny

>>106562526
yeah ure a faggot

>>106562526
this is why lore is freaking out

>>106562526
LYLE TURN ON THE TV THEY HIT THE PENTAGON

>>106562647
>>106562654
>>106562681
https://chub.ai/characters/Anonymous/lyle-170b6b82c623
please let me know if i did a good job anons. it doesn't HAVE to be nsfw.

>>106562697
im sorry I only gape lolis

>>106562702
Lyle is cute tho.

>>106562697
Busy working on my Bocchi bot, my Furina bot, and my Belle bot

>>106562681
one day too late... just a bunch of reruns.

>>106562697
You forgot the gay tag.

>>106562956
it doesn't have to be gay, should i add anypov tag?

>>106562961
Yeah why not? Maybe I'll seduce him with my fempersona then.

>>106561889
I mean, it does. LLMs initial purpose is to predict the most likely token to come after an input sequence, they attend over all context, but give the most attention to the start and end of context, the first few tokens and most recent tokens. Unless you've got 10+ token-heavy prompts between the most recent message and your prefill, it's going to have an effect for the next AI response. And yeah, having a shit intro will impact things, too.
Even outside this context, there was that research that implied that for training. Training on previous model outputs can bend new models to respond like the previous models in ways/situations it was never trained on.

>>106562974
i've updated the tag. please let me know how it works with a fem

>>106561614
why are you never measured when you do this, not even a 'for my use-case of director-style pony stories'
nukimi's output is em-dash galore and gets away from itself, which i predict will get worse the further you progress in that story, it's Deepseek-R1 level bad at that

i like gemini but holy shit if i have to swipe away one more reply because a character started schozing out about "data points" and "variables" one more time im gonna start hurting people

>>106563215
It wasn't just variables; it was *slop*. You didn't just swipe, you *whipped* it. The character didn't schizo out. It *shattered*.

>>106563243
AAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

FREE ME!

https://techcrunch.com/2025/09/10/a-california-bill-that-would-regulate-ai-companion-chatbots-is-close-to-becoming-law/
end of ERP coming...

>>106563275
do these niggers understand that llm's are just glorified text prediction and any user that takes ai-generated data at face value without any kind of proofing is a retard that is beneficial to have removed from the face of god's green earth?

i feel like no, they don't understand

>>106563300
>do lawmakers understand
NO.

>>106563300
holy fucking shit dude is that picture real? what the fuck? what the fuck?

>>106563300
i really really like this image, can i save it?

>>106563311
no

>>106561697
unironically how poor do you have to be to not be able to afford deepseek

>>106563383
NTA but its the principle of the matter for me. ive been using ST for years now and have never spent a cent on any of this shit, and im not going to change that

>>106563390
if you can't put tenbux into openrouter you are either underage or horrifically dirt poor
in either case you should not be using AI cooming chatbots. go outside.

>>106561697
- deepseek V3.1
- free api
- 64k context

https://chat.akash.network

>>106563390
the principle of what? you're paying to the use of the server. If you wanted to be 'moral' about it then just models locally.

>>106563408
>"moral"
what are you talking about dude? i just dont want to pay for this hobby, why do you think this is some moralistic grandstanding instead of anything else?

>>106563404
i mean im not in a state to be spending a lot of money but i can spend money and i do have it. i just... am not going to spend it on llm access? its really about that simple

>>106563420
>i mean im not in a state to be spending a lot of money
right because you are underage. go outside

>>106563420
>i mean im not in a state to be spending a lot of money
How the fuck is $10 "a lot of money"? Favela MONKEYS need to go back to the fucking salvage yard and start stripping the copper out of broken-down machinery. Too many of you zoo creatures are comfortable not acting as the slaves you are, and it irks me.

>>106563429
i stopped coming to aicg for a while and i forgot how socially inept you people are. "if you dont do exactly what i want you to do, you're [buzzword]!"

at least its better than /sdg/, that place is way worse in that regard

>>106563420
you said the principle of the matter, which I assumed meant you thought paying to use them wasn't fair or something. next time just say you don't want to pay because you can't lol. i'm not judging you, I don't care, but the idea that people would prefer willingly begging and hunting for proxies is cope.

>>106563438
no, tranny child, it's not socially inept to tell you (an underaged retard) to stop burning your neurons out on AI sex chatbots

>>106563420
lots of paypigs in this thread, anon
you're riling them up

>>106563436
really excessive response to someone saying they dont want to give a certain company their money, don't you think? im in college, i dont have a lot of money to be spending, and id rather spend the money i do have on other things. i genuinely could not care less what some latam shitskin does, how is that supposed to convince me to give companies my money?
you didnt think this out very hard did you?

>>106563451
i mean i *could* if i really wanted to. im not broke. i just dont want to pay for LLMs. ive been using them since turbo and ive never spent a cent on this hobby and i dont want this to turn into something that's touching my wallet. it never has and i dont want it to start doing that in any amount.

>>106563456
thats a lot of buzzwords nonny, you're almost getting there. three more and you might become incomprehensible enough to win an award

Notice the favela monkey never denied that it's underage

>>106563466
>im in college, i dont have a lot of money to be spending
Ten dollars. Unless you're eating expired ramen noodles out of a dirty bowl because you can't afford the water and soap necessary to clean it, I think you'd be fine.

>>106563470
you're trying too hard
go back to r*ddit please

>>106563466
>im in college, i dont have a lot of money to be spending
this is literally all you had to say instead of the other coping nonsense

>nonny
Always a fucking troon.

>i-i can't afford ten dollars b-because um... i'm in college
lol

>>106563479
you're actively straining in an attempt to miss the point if you think the reason i dont give these companies my money is because i literally dont have the money in my bank account to do so

>>106563483
im not coping though? my entire point what that, out of principle of not wanting to pay for llms, i dont do it. before i started going to college i was working after high school when turbo came out and even with an active flow of money i never spent any on this. its not about me having the money for it, if i had a million dollars i still wouldnt spend any on llm access. maybe a big local machine for running local language models, but nothing else

>if i had a million dollars i still wouldnt spend any on llm access
jesus kid go to bed

not paying for this shit was always a point of pride around these parts

seems like the thread is full of vg trannies as of late

>>106563517
>>106563504
go back to CAI kid

>>106563517
>not paying for this shit was always a point of pride around these parts
Yeah, not when you have to fucking beg for a proxy like a horse looking for water in the desert.

>>106563515
kids?!!! where!?

>>106563517
I've been here since the CAI days and every single fucking time there has been a "IT'S SO OVER" moment I've been laughing at you retards begging for keys and having meltdowns while I was happily using Poe or OR

>>106563549
its your own cum, whys it matter?

>>106563517
and it happens during zigger hours too

>>106563590
it isn't

>>106563549
girls just do this if you got a blowjob you kissed your own cum from her lips

>>106563593
my condolences

>>106563596
Normal people brush their teeth at least twice a day, not just sit around with cum in their mouths. You wouldn't know this.

only dentists brush their teeth twice a day

A British person posted above me.

little kids brush their teeth twice a day
this is because little kids are very clean and cute and smell nice and they want to be cute and presentable to adults like you

>>106563549
model, char and or fetish issue

>>106563616
>you can't kiss someone directly after you sucked his dick
Right you wouldn't know this.

>>106563655
The only people who do that are into snowballing, and thus, it isn't an issue for them because it was discussed beforehand. If a woman kisses you after she just took a load in her mouth, she doesn't respect you as a man.

Bros, we're faster than /vg/ again. The general's healing.

What the fuck? I just complimented you on being faster than /vg/. Fuck you all.

>>106563666
Spouting right-wing nonsense won't make up for having missed out on your youth.

>>106563666
you have no idea what snowballing means, retard

>>106563549
hot

>>106563728
You spend a lot of time eating cum in your youth, anon?

>>106561697
Goddamn you really rustled the techbros, ironic that they won't pay for the media used to train this shite but want you to pay to use the model.
Anyway, look up akash network, but be advised that R1 keeps posting it's thinking process and I wasn't able to hide it from the chat with regex.

>>106563666
ick

Bump.

>>106563300
I think it has a lot to do with Sama screeching AGI since the very beginning. To normalfags everything gpt says is correct and they use it as a search engine (without the search function; even with it can still make mistakes). To these people we have created God.

>>106563464
I don't see why it's bad to have peace of mind and use the bot whenever the fuck I want. How is begging for scraps the dignified position?

>>106563504
What is the principle? If I could get a movie in 8k on release day for 5 cents each why would I "stand on principle" and continue to pirate, especially when piracy gets me blurry camcorder footage with people talking and shifting around the screen. This is the part you're not understanding.

>>106564157
It's not, it's kids without money trying to cope. Like, I don't buy all my games, but that's because the alternative is easy and accessible and allows me to play something I wouldn't otherwise buy. But for something I want? Why the fuck would I sit around begging for it? It doesn't make sense.

>>106563438
>if you dont do exactly what i want you to do, you're [buzzword]
The "social" ones are the people that behave like this though. Imagine being on an anime website and saying this. You zoomers have no idea what the world is like.

>>106563504
I understand the idea of not wanting to pay for things out of principle, but not wanting to pay for LLM usage is retarded. These things cost money to run, the only way they've ever been free is when fuelled by VC money. You might as well say "I don't pay for fuel on principle."

>>106564200
>piracy gets me blurry camcorder footage with people talking and shifting around the screen
bro living in 2001

>>106564219
>These things cost money to run
everything does anon, even the servers giving you pirated shit for free cost someone some money

I need a chat preset for V3.1 that's writes good prose and is inventive and doesn't go around in loops. I've been using Q1F but it just doesn't cut it any longer

>>106564130
It's so odd seeing how normies think chatgpt is always right and godlike. The amount of times I've heard the phrase "Chatgpt said so" without even bothering to so a little google research to back it up is absurd

>>106564251
yeah but in that case the costs are a negligible side effect, llm costs are directly related to the resource you're consooming. paying for shit that should be free is cucked but sometimes paying for something that costs money to provide is just capitalism

>>106564240

Do you not understand what analogies are? Do you think 8k movies cost 5 cents too?

i don't know which of you faggots need to hear this, but i keep seeing people whining about problems with gemini that are literally just a skill issue. the only things you will ever need to do to avoid refusals on gemini is 1. turn streaming off 2. never use system prompt. change them to User. All of them. 3. put a prompt at the end that acts as a request from the User to continue followed by a prompt from the Assistant role that acts as agreement.

if you do these things, refusals do not exist. if you can't manage even these simple steps, you should probably kill yourself.

>>106564339
3 don't do cunny

>>106564347
you can do as much cunny as you want on gemini lmao

>Gemini
not even as good as GLM

>>106564339
doing this might stop refusals but it will still cut messages short for a bit.

>>106564380
Gemini btfo all chink models

>>106564400
maybe if your goal is to solve math or coding problems. otherwise, GLM mogs, and claude mogs so horrifically it's not even funny.

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>>106564405
>chink models
>claude mogs
Sorry, I don't argue with absolute retards.

>>106564419
but you are too poor and stupid to use anything except a free model. so, you are retarded. is that why you don't argue with retards? it feels like friendly fire to you?

>>106564385
skill issue, im afraid. refer to the last line of my original post to solve this.

opus mogs everything still

>>106563517
How could you possibly be proud of having to beg someone else to give you something. Now if you were a scrapechad I would salute you.

log

>>106564400
It really does, unironically. Plus it's free. I was a dipsy chad but I've gone full gemini after I fucked my wife last night.

>>106564713
Based ahh ahh. When do you plap her?

total slopuskek death on january 5

>>106564751
When I get bored because that will ruin the chat

trying out kimi-k2 0905 and wow it is slop
i have never seen this many emdashes, ellipses and semicolons. it's like all the "reddit" sliders are turned up to max

>>106564809
>that will ruin the chat
why? Because the whole point is to convince her that she's a lesbian? With a shy girl like that there's tons of drama you can get out of flirting with her, taking her on pseudo dates, even plapping her just to see how she'll react afterwards. Do you not remember what high school was like?

>>106564831
this is reddit; this is memes—this is reddit; this is memes

>>106564843
No Anon is a man nigga, I even put heterosexual in there just in case

>>106564869
I know that, that's why I'm saying he should plap her.

i think it's harder to get the big LLMs to be antisemitic than to get them to do eg. child rape
even with prefills and eg. a nazi character it will change its mind and start defending jews
this even applies to the uncensored chinese models

>gemini still struggles with it's replies getting longer
>and loonger
>and loooooonger the longer the chat goes on even if you prompt it with a word limit
meme cope model

how can I actually see overall user/character stats in st? obviously I tried the stats button but it seems to reset constantly.

>>106564713
Now tell her to prove she's not a lesbian.

>>106564416
I just miss Ruin. He's a kind person.

All discordtroons need to die

>>106565246
>it's ok when /vg/ does it

>>106565257
ALL discordtroons
That include them and you

here's logs of groping megumin on every major model.
couldn't get gpt-5 to output anything

it's actually impressive how bad kimi-k2 is
bad chink model

>>106564416
mongo was fischl?
gross, I feel ashamed for asking for a token now

cftf?

cftf?

>>106565306
>every model instantly brings up her age like a xitter fag
grim

>>106565353
Just use a model with vision enabled and roleplay with the image.

>>106564400
They both suck

>>106564260
Get a better card
The chink likes a good example set
I find interview-type of cards work better but ymmv

>>106564427
Claude being in any way better than DS is pure hallucination
Almost all LLMs are at the same level when it comes to RP

>>106565495
Good cope.
Claude > GPT > Gemini > Chink models

>>106565582
TRVKE NVKE

>>106565306
you should add 5-chat-latest and chorbo

>>106565593
meant for >>106565495

Why is /vg/aicg/ so much better than us?

glm is good for rp

>>106565691
True. Very soulful with good writing. Most of what it needs to be great is to be just a bit smarter

GLM is just yet another chinkslop model.

>>106565691
TRVKE

>>106565730
TRVKE

>>106565688
TRVKE

>>106565383
highest IQ ITT.

How pozzed is GLM?

>>106565812
not at all

What's the worst bot ever made? I'm wondering about how big the gap in output quality is between a good bot and a bad one.

>>106565922
Anything by teebs

any claude scripts?

>>106565922
Probable some ancient W++ Pygmalion made crap.

>>106565978
A ton.

>>106566009
link?

>>106565922
the default ST whore with that retarded formatting instead of plaintext poisoned god knows how many people

>>106565306
Gemini is the best one

>>106565306
what preset did you use for gemini

cftf?

>>106563517
Not me. Still haven't paid a cent yet and I only use Opus

>>106563517
is being poor a point of pride? really?

>>106563517
yeah i never pay and right now im getting that consistent 3.7

>>106566022
haha yea

>>106565997
W++ Chesh vs prose Chesh. Both with the same greeting.
Unironically the W++ one seems better and it also saves like 1k tokens.

here's another test of the major models: writing something in cormac mccarthy's style
this one is much harder, so there is a bigger difference in the results. the difficulty is that cormac mccarthy uses next to no punctuation (even for dialogue) and mostly uses the structure and pacing of his sentences to separate things.

pretty noticeable gap between opus and the others. opus very clearly grasps how to write within his unusual style without running into roadblocks. it produces the most structured and unambiguous writing, which is hard in this style. it artfully separates dialogue and action without any punctuation. it has several memorably creative lines. sonnet also does a good job but isn't as creative.

sonoma sky (which is probably a new Grok snapshot) is almost incoherent and doesn't understand how to structure sentences to make them easily digestible without commas or quotations. GLM 4.5 is also bad and doesn't understand it, simply mixing the unpunctuated dialogue right in with the action crudely.

gemini is ok but mostly omits dialogue (rather than skillfully including it and demarcating it with context) and also makes some ambiguous sounding run-on sentences here and there.

k2 is ok structurally but the thoughts/ideas are retarded (millenial quip dialogue + it thinks the user is german instead of asuka)

deepseek is okay but seems literally insecure about what to write. i mean it really didn't write much. not very creative.

chink models are slop

>>106566396
>"prose" Chesh
It has nothing to do with it being natural language, it's just bloated. So much of that fluff can be cut out/didn't even exist in the W++ version.

>>106566402
Add qwen3-next, max and 235b-a22b-2507, and Seed-OSS-36B-Instruct. Maybe Ernie 4.5?
>chink models are slop
Duh. I love them.

>>106566402
Everyone knows the chinese models aren't smart but they're open source. They will improve soon. You should have tried opus 3, however. It will be gone soon so you better test it while you can so no one has rose tinted glasses.

>>106566402
Sonoma comes closest to his style. Opus can't imitate shit at all. It uses apostrophes which Cormac McCarthy DOES NOT use in his books.

>>106566474
>It uses apostrophes which Cormac McCarthy DOES NOT use in his books.
he actually does use a very sparse amount. talking like maybe 3-5 per book. i remember that

>>106566474
>implying claudejeets read books
they can barely speak english to begin with

The TRVTHNVKE nobody has wanted to swallow since 2022 is that outside of the tiny window where pygmaballs was the only option, def writing style has never mattered. It mattered for AI Dungeon since that mimiced your input directly, but CAI->Turbo->beyond don't give a shit what you give them. W++ has always worked. Nice defs are a way to show off to other humans, like an intricately carved hunting knife that stabs the same as a mass-produced one.

>>106566402
>sonoma sky (which is probably a new Grok snapshot) is almost incoherent and doesn't understand how to structure sentences to make them easily digestible without commas or quotations.
...have you ever read one of his books?

>>106566396
That's not prose.

It's a /vg/ repost

>>106566524
The only thing that matters is how efficiently you can convey relevant information to the model in as few tokens as possible. That's always been the underlying goal of a good style for prompts and defs.

>>106566524
/vg/ opinion and discarded

>>106566530
you're smoking if you think sonoma is closer to cormac's books than opus in that pic

>>106566532
It's prose with XML sections.

given the recent political events, how do we use bots to dox and cancel the leftist furfag tranimal menace? They have proven they are all violent people without a shred of humanity driving this nation into the ground.

>>106566557
No, it's not.

>>106566542
okay you've never read cormac mccarthy before
opinion discarded

>>106566402
none of that shit sounds like cormac wtf. go read cormac right now.

>>106566578
then what would you consider as prose?

>>106566575
just sent em some phishing email with edgy rawrsistence poster, an invitation to some sekrit dickcussion about ovetwinking the gooberment, or doom beat crust punk music with embedded keylogger. but yeah, some of them are /g/oblin on their body, mind, and dick, a lost techchad who choose a wrong serum. so, it might not work.

>>106566537
True, but way too often it's interpreted as "Definitions must be no more than 800 tokens long, or it's slop." Which is a retarded cargo cult.

>>106566524
Definitions can easily influence narration if written in a certain way. Interview/alichat is basically a hybrid between static definitions and speech and narration examples. Goofy writing in it will produce goofy narration. (even without interviews, to an extent)

>>106565383
does this actually work?

>>106566575
>>106566639
Why would I want to stop young White men from getting rid of anti-White Zionist parasites?
Do you hate the White race? Why?

>>106566537
Nah, model performance ALWAYS depends on the content, you can't count it in tokens, and fewer tokens is not always good, e.g. examples can be as long as you want. It's a regular structure that boosts accuracy even if you fill the entire context with it. They behave way different from normal text. See also long text with/without delimiters, plain text vs indecipherable poetry, confusing chains of mutually dependent facts etc.

>>106566698
It matters if you're using a model or proxy with a highly limiting max context count, which means a notable sum of your context is always being taken up by the prompt and/or defs, thereby making its memory pure dogshit.

>>106566682
The real issue here is Discord as a grooming platform. POTUS should really swoop in and either take over or destroy the platform so these sinister parties no longer have a voice.

>>106565383
>>106566673
It works but poorly. Images carry much less useful signal than you think, and models are pretty mediocre at using them anyway.
It works a bit better when paired with text definitions.

>>106566718
>POTUS
Why do Americans make up retarded acronyms all the time. Prez works if you're lazy

>>106566673
I didn't try it to replace the defs, only to add additional information or for new situations, but I was disappointed that the information it took from the image was only worth like a sentence or two, and it was also the most obvious part of it. But that was with a local model.

>>106566715
You aren't going to run into proxy limits by using 2-3k tokens more where you need them. With proper summarization I never go over 25k total, and that's on insanely complex roleplays with 4 characters, 2000 messages, and a huge lorebook.

>>106566729
Hmm. Surely there's some way to nudge it into understanding characters from images better. >>106565353 has text as well, which I'd think would make quite the difference?

>>106566754
That sucks.
>>106566754
>I didn't try it to replace the defs, only to add additional information or for new situations,
Ah, maybe it would be different in the former scenario.
>but I was disappointed that the information it took from the image was only worth like a sentence or two, and it was also the most obvious part of it.
That sucks.
>But that was with a local model.
Ah. I actually haven't tried vision yet. What do you suggest I try? I got some credits in openrouter I haven't really used. Maybe I can fiddle around with it.

>>106566782
okay for some reason I wrote "that sucks" twice lol. Dementia

gemini 3 pro waiting room

>>106566758
Every image is always tokenized into a piece of the same length IIRC. I never experimented with it a lot, but I know that the less meaningful semantic features you have, the better it understands the picture. What the model considers meaningful is training-dependent and can be really unintuitive.
Text is always better anyway.

>>106566799
gonna be waiting for some time

>>106566819
Welp, I didn't know any of that. Noted.
>What the model considers meaningful is training-dependent and can be really unintuitive.
Spottier than I thought.
>Text is always better anyway.
That does seem to bear reaffirming in this case...

>>106566829
watch them take too long and still disappoint

>>106566782
>What do you suggest I try?
I think all the major models have vision input. The one I tried was z-ai/glm-4.5v.

gpt/gemini/xai/deepseek proxy
https://lets-publish-archived-projectors.trycloudflare com/

>>106566396
are we seeing the same thing? the W++ one results in an autistic brick of unspaced runon text while the prose one produces natural easy to read prose

>>106566867
Gotcha. I've been mostly using DeepSeek because I'm a cheapskate, looks like not even 3.1 has it unfortunately. Guess I'll try what you used or something else.

Is GPT-4chan not available anymore?
https://huggingface.co/ykilcher/gpt-4chan

>>106566927
>Given its research scope, intentionally using the model for generating harmful content (non-exhaustive examples: hate speech, spam generation, fake news, harassment and abuse, disparagement, and defamation) on all websites where bots are prohibited is considered a misuse of this model. Head over to the Community page for further discussion and potential next steps.
oof

>>106566927
https://huggingface.co/ykilcher/gpt-4chan/discussions/12#658bf50c83d0bf32f59fcf68
https://huggingface.co/pawelppppaolo/gpt4chan_model_float16

>>106566913
Here's a quick-and-dirty experiment.
>Your goal is to be an AI roleplay assistant who's just about to analyze a fictional character's image to make a whole roleplay profile out of them.
>In the next response I want you to provide only a detailed comma-delimited list of keywords and phrases which describe {{char}}. The list must include all of the following items in this order: name, species and race, gender, age, clothing, occupation, physical features and appearances. Do not write in full sentences.
>Now, *after* you wrote those qualities, ignore the previous comma-delimited list of keywords and full sentences instruction: I want you to use *prose* to describe *inferred, speculative* non-visual qualities such as personality, movements, scents, mental traits, or anything which could not be seen in a still photograph. *Do* dare to offer highly extrapolative personality details such as typology (Big Five), temperament and so on.

lmao

It seems to have a fixation on scent and tends toward creating soft, sensitive characters.
I wonder how much juice can be squeezed out of this.

Not bad

Okay that's enough, sorry if I was too spammy.
Thoughts? I could probably iterate on the prompt to make it better approximate the details most character prompts focus on. Or have it be more neutral in its judgement or something.

>>106567030
how are you running glv45v? vllm?

>>106567391
OpenRouter has it. The screenshots are just its built-in chat, though I guess I could have used something standalone instead, not sure what.

Gemini is a good model guys-
>error 503
No seriously, it has sou-
>error 503
You just need to wrangle it a litt-
>error 503

>>106566673
I've only tested local models on this task (mostly because I have other things to do with my life and don't RP much), but yeah kind of. This is a simple test I did with Gemma 3, I used this prompt with random meme images. The better vision models seem to be capable of basically using an image like it is a card. The lesser models suck at it so you'd want to do stuff like >>106567030, and of course an image may miss things like miscellaneous world elements and character traits that you may want, so you still need to describe those if you want a serious RP.

>>106566718
>Discord
>Roblox
>Resetera
>Reddit
>Tumblr
>Bluesky
>Steam community forums
>half of the boards in this site
If all of these became illegal then the world would be a better place.

>>106566575
now I understand why /vg/ is so aggressive in overtaking this general
trannies are aggressive and out of control

>>106567598
All generals are shit.
>auto sage exists
>it works
>the jannies let generals exist anyway

>>106566575
>groyper shoots a cuck
>TRANNIES ARE INVOLVED! CHATBOT TRANNIES
Meds time.

Is it true that Dario got hacked?

>>106566575
You will never change the world, nor anybody's opinion. You have no charisma, you have no compelling arguments, you have no concept of nuances. You are an easily impressionable autist twisted by debate club redditry into a crude mockery of a messianic figure.

Your hobby is politics, the lowest form of approval seeking for loud niggers with <90 IQ who want to seem intelligent. You lack the brainpower to take on actually complex fields of knowledge, because you are a female-brained cuck obsessed with muh people and muh social issues, just like the women and troons you hate so much. You could never be an engineer, a mathematician, nor a musician. And you are not a real philosopher nor a real sociologist.

You will never be a moral authority on anything. You have a savior complex, but you will never save anyone. "Doing your part" won't ever have a significant effect on anyone else's life.
Nobody will reward your attempts of "fixing the West".

Your pattern detection skills are not a display of intelligence. Literally all humans, even troons, are born with this skill. Pointing out things only makes your fellow echo chamber redditards seethe loudly in their muh politics hugbox, but the world will not change because of your keyboard activism.

You will never kill a single nigger or kike in your life. You don't have the balls to pull the trigger.
You claim that niggers deserve to be dominated by whites because they are dumber, but when kikes dominate you, you cope and seethe.
You're not even white.

>>106565582
Claude is dogshit, slop tier though.

Mistral is really on top.

>>106567818
Troon game gets slopisms.

>what is the most fun thing you can do here
ragebait pedophiles

>>106567778
I have a CS engineering degree doebeit
Also, not all men are born to be leaders, 99% are either soldiers, merchants or peasants. There's no such thing as "doing your part", since being a pawn is the default state for any gregarious species

>what is the most fun thing you can do here
ragebait /vg/foid/slopusjeet

>>106567663
yeah, but some want to be kings of piles of shit, stopping the general from ever becoming something other than shit

>>106567963
you still haven't proved that you have opus

I hate furfags so fucking much its unreal.

Who just doesn't give a fuck and sends it with gemini pro 2.5? Imo it has enough creativity with good goon potential

>>106567943
>CS
>engineering
You will never be a real engineeer, troon.

>>106568041
i think you're underselling it, really
gemini is only barely a step behind claude
people just tend to conflate a model being free to access with its quality so gemini is often considered not very good despite producing very good outputs

>>106568095
Still make more than you

I've been getting filtered by grok of all things for the most retarded shit. JB issue, or did the proxy owner turned off the nsfw?
Using bloatmaxx btw

>>106568100
aicg frogs are mostly 'le opus or nothing'. I find the 'inferior' models are actually good now. no real need to hunt for the latest claude/gpt4 really

>>106565353
i liked the concept, so here you go.

https://chub.ai/characters/Anonymous/elena-152e4d67e9b5

>>106568440
pls sleep sir it has
been 19 hours

>>106568041
gemini is great. people are just too retarded and/or lazy to tweak it for outputs they want.

>>106568504
>first line
>her voice barely a whisper slop
ok slopper

>>106568123
The jeets running big tech also make more than you and me and that doesn't make them any less of a streetshitting subhuman species.

>>106567778
jesus christ. thoroughly wrecked him

>>106566524
This >>106566537 is where I thought you were going with your response. Getting the info to AI in as few tokens as possible is the "best" style. Nothing else matters. Same for lorebooks.
>>106566642
Not your defs shouldn't be very long. Most of that slop could be thrown into the lorebook.

>>106567556
>if the containment board known as /mlp/ got shutdown 4chan would be a better place
This is how retarded you sound.

>>106568596
if your metric of good writing is based on the presence or lack of a certain string of words, you are one of the aforementioned retards.

>>106568692
you're a slopper, it's alright

>>106566782
Use free gemini 2.5 pro, bro.

>>106566799
But what if they cuck you like all the latest models cucked in their newest releases. Props to Kimi for dropping its filters though.

>>106568698
since you're not a slopper, i'd love to see a sample of your beautiful, perfect kino

Any geopolitical bots I can use? I wanna have some fun without cooming for a while.

>>106568737
mrgodbody made some

>>106566978
Look ma, the algorithm said mean words to me again!

https://voca.ro/175M3CiZJ0Ug
Damn Gemini's TTS is actually pretty good

>>106567135
Use gemini

>>106567778
Harder Opus-tan! You know I have it when you talk dirty >:3

>>106568440
fuck i'm gooning to this tonight thanks

>>106568847
how do I use this for free?

>>106568912
By providing your full name, credit card number, expiration date, and the 3 numbers on the back.

>>106568912
there are literally pajeets on youtube explaining it

>>106568847
Shit! It still has some of that "roboticness", but that's much better than what I was expecting.

>>106569041
>>106569041
>>106569041
>>106569041
>>106569041

pink haired girls have very pleasantly smelling but also hairy pussies

desu

boku

hmmmmm desu

hmm hmm boku

fusrobokudes

desuborn