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Anonymous No.17886915 [Report] >>17886937 >>17886948 >>17886952 >>17886954 >>17886982 >>17887065 >>17887462 >>17888886 >>17889100 >>17890324 >>17890383 >>17893777 >>17894776 >>17894787 >>17894814
Is religion stupid on purpose?
Bible has talking snake, hinduism has elephant god, egyptians worshipped cat-headed women.

How could ancient people take that seriously?
Anonymous No.17886937 [Report] >>17886978 >>17886986 >>17886994 >>17887180 >>17889101 >>17891718
>>17886915 (OP)
What is a woman
Anonymous No.17886948 [Report] >>17887116
>>17886915 (OP)
yes
just like nigerian prince scams
you don't want people with critical skills, you want to filter those out as early as possible
if they stay through the obvious bullshit, they won't complain when you are literally fucking their wives and telling them to cut off their children's penises or whatever
Anonymous No.17886952 [Report] >>17886970
>>17886915 (OP)
The snake in the garden actually has 3 meanings

As a noun, it means snake
As a verb, it means shinning
As an adj, it means divinator

Lucifer is the greatest of all the angels. He was meant to be the herald of God's might. Thus, it is clear why he is shinning and a divinator

He was also depicted as a snake because, during this time the snake is seen as the symbol of divinity. The Akkadians, Egyptians, Hittites, etc, all uphold the snake as the icon of immortality and divine grace

But the Bible tells you the opposite - the snake is the devil
Anonymous No.17886954 [Report]
>>17886915 (OP)
mushussu is white people, the result of "gods" creating a race of mankind by mating with them.
Anonymous No.17886970 [Report] >>17887010
>>17886952
The Bible doesn't actually tell you that.
Rather the snake is a shadow of its former self.
They apparently didn't 'crawl' around on their bellies and 'ate dust' before the events in the Garden of Eden.
Anonymous No.17886978 [Report] >>17887012
>>17886937
Bruh, I am literally a fascist
I'm not gonna stop you if you want to whine about trannies. Still don't think it's true that a man walked on water 2000 years ago
Simon Salva !tMhYkwTORI No.17886982 [Report]
>>17886915 (OP)

In Shintoism, it's even worse. Just read the fucking Kojiki. This is why I will NEVER follow Shittoeism, it's too bizarre and demonic for anyone with a love of Christ and an IQ above 85.
Anonymous No.17886986 [Report]
>>17886937
A being incapable of parthenogenesis unlike what the bible claims.
Anonymous No.17886994 [Report] >>17887012
>>17886937
The best part of this retarded retort is that I'm not required to accept that men can be women. You are, however, required to defend what is written on the pages of the Bible. If you skirt around this then you're just LARPing as religious which is arguably worse than just being atheist.
Anonymous No.17887010 [Report] >>17887014 >>17887018 >>17893242
>>17886970
"Crawl on your belly and eat dust" is actually an ancient figure of speech which means "to be completely and utterly defeated in a humiliating manner."

Which is exactly what happened
Anonymous No.17887012 [Report] >>17887030 >>17887043 >>17887063 >>17887077
>>17886978
>>17886994
That's nice
This madness is still your fault, though.
Anonymous No.17887014 [Report]
>>17887010
Satan being the snake is still inferrence.
Simon Salva !tMhYkwTORI No.17887018 [Report]
>>17887010

>Luce

Fuck off. Luce is a mockery of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, introduced by Antipope Francis.
Anonymous No.17887030 [Report] >>17887037 >>17887049
>>17887012
>believes that juice and crackers literally turn into flesh
>a fag dressed like a woman wasn't his idea though
Cope. Pagans used to throw trannies into bogs.
Simon Salva !tMhYkwTORI No.17887037 [Report] >>17887052 >>17887057
>>17887030

No. Pagans viewed trannies as demigods, and built altars around them. Even Thor was one.
Anonymous No.17887043 [Report]
>>17887012
>madness (XY woman)
Disgruntled basedjak
>madness (parthenogenetic woman and zombie Jew)
Blissful basedjak
Anonymous No.17887049 [Report] >>17887061 >>17893242
>>17887030
That's false, actually
Worship of Isthar involves the priest dressing as women and women as men

Her feast involves everyone lining up outside the temple with a begging bowl in hand. Anyone who drops a coin can have sex with her/him

And get this, one of her sacred symbols is the Rainbow

Deny God and you invoke madness
Anonymous No.17887052 [Report]
>>17887037
>Thor
I thought it was Loki that had a tendency to shapshift and a woman was one of the forms he'd take.
Simon Salva !tMhYkwTORI No.17887057 [Report] >>17887069 >>17887076
>>17887037

Not to mention Odin drank cum. Lol.
Anonymous No.17887061 [Report] >>17887078
>>17887049
Your god is one enabling trannism. Bread will never be flesh.
Anonymous No.17887063 [Report] >>17887068 >>17887078
>>17887012
My local church is literally flying transflags from their rafters
Meanwhile my local atheist community is... there is no local atheist community.

How is thinking it's true than a man walked on water 2000 years ago, supposed to prevent lgbt?
Anonymous No.17887065 [Report] >>17887070 >>17887077 >>17891775
>>17886915 (OP)
Why are christrannies ruining this board?
Anonymous No.17887068 [Report] >>17887075 >>17887086
>>17887063
Because you're supposed to listen and obey what that man said.
Anonymous No.17887069 [Report] >>17889104
>>17887057
Thor and Odin are not real
Simon Salva !tMhYkwTORI No.17887070 [Report]
>>17887065

Who the fuck are you talking to? The void? Yourself?...
Anonymous No.17887075 [Report]
>>17887068
It's clearly not working
Simon Salva !tMhYkwTORI No.17887076 [Report]
>>17887057

Also..

>>17886251
Anonymous No.17887077 [Report] >>17887090
>>17887012
>TRANSsubstantiation
No actually, it's yours.
>>17887065
It's just beaners from Latin America. White Christians from the first world barely post here.
Anonymous No.17887078 [Report] >>17887083 >>17887096 >>17891965
>>17887063
>>17887061
This was already prophesied 400 years ago.

We were warned but since you deny God, you were left unprepared
Anonymous No.17887083 [Report]
>>17887078
Who's that child she's holding?
Anonymous No.17887086 [Report]
>>17887068
He said there is no men, no women in bible.
Anonymous No.17887090 [Report]
>>17887077
>just beaners from Latin America
True. You can tell by how belligerent and effeminate they are
Anonymous No.17887096 [Report] >>17887124
>>17887078
Please tell me what preparations people like you, who do not deny God, have made
Anonymous No.17887116 [Report]
>>17886948
14 year old

Stop talking to Simon Salva please everyone. He is a schizo troll even if it seems like sometimes, rarely he interacts in good faith.
Anonymous No.17887124 [Report] >>17887151
>>17887096
To start, we did not lose hope.
We just calmly did our mission and watch the Lord do his thing

Unlike you lads who are hounding around, raging fruitlessly

Our only duty is to prepare for our judgment. Leave everything else to God
Anonymous No.17887151 [Report] >>17887164
>>17887124
Look, you're just confused and talking shit
you just blame me for trannies, because somehow I should have prepared for that

Specifically how did you prepare for trannies?
Did it work?
Anonymous No.17887164 [Report] >>17887172 >>17887174
>>17887151
We just did as we were told - have faith

Protees are turning Catholic
UK (30% atheist) is turning Catholic
And there are now talks about the reunification of the Catholic Church and the Orthodox

I'd say things are going well.
Anonymous No.17887172 [Report] >>17887175
>>17887164
Just seems like there should be waaay less trannies around if your preparations were successful
sage No.17887174 [Report] >>17887176 >>17887177
>>17887164
I really like the Catholic Church but I just can't get behind the whole perpetual virginity of Mary and papal infallibility. Both are ridiculous, unhistorical, and completely unBiblical.
Anonymous No.17887175 [Report] >>17887191
>>17887172
Guess their faith
Anonymous No.17887176 [Report] >>17887211 >>17887217
>>17887174
If you don't like the Pope, go to Orthodoxy

Mary's perpetual virginity is just common sense, honestly. Would you seriously try to touch God's wife?
Anonymous No.17887177 [Report]
>>17887174
Accidentally saged sorry. Does sage even still work? I've been here since 2011.
Anonymous No.17887180 [Report] >>17887184
>>17886937
Ask your tough and hardcore right wing church.
Anonymous No.17887181 [Report]
I assume this is another 'religion is in a constant state of conflict with science' thread
Anonymous No.17887182 [Report]
I don't get it. I for sure though the Pope was pro lgbt, at least the previous one.
Anonymous No.17887184 [Report] >>17887195
>>17887180
Nah
Anonymous No.17887191 [Report] >>17887205 >>17887215
>>17887175
I don't think that's how it works
Catholics should be able to prevent trannies all around with God on their side, not just among Catholics
Besides, you'd just not be a Catholic by definition if you're a tranny. IMO. I'd sat there are exactly zero tranny Catholics, by definition. This is hardly surprising.
Anonymous No.17887195 [Report] >>17887206
>>17887184
I already told you I am fascist. What more do you want?
Anonymous No.17887205 [Report] >>17893242
>>17887191
No. Everyone has their own individual battles.
All the Church can do is remind everyone that God is real, he is watching, and deliver his words to all who wish to hear them.

If you wish to reject it, so be it.

All of us must undergo the choice of bearing the cross of repentance or chastisement
Anonymous No.17887206 [Report] >>17887207
>>17887195
His entire religion being majority globohomo doesnt matter but something something reddit trannies. That's how all these beaner tradlarpers argue
Anonymous No.17887207 [Report] >>17887208 >>17887237
>>17887206
My religion is not globohomo. We are as TRAD as we can be. Stop the slandering!
Simon Salva !tMhYkwTORI No.17887208 [Report] >>17887237
>>17887207

Baste.
Anonymous No.17887211 [Report] >>17887227
>>17887176
Jesus had brothers and sisters. This is Biblical. We know the names of his brothers; James, Simon, Jude, and Joses. We know about some of their lives as saints. She wasn't the wife of God, she was impregnated by God, she was the wife of Joseph.
Anonymous No.17887215 [Report]
>>17887191
The Catholic Church would disagree. The official stance is that being trans is a sin, yet they can be members and are welcomed.
Anonymous No.17887217 [Report]
>>17887176
Mary is not God's wife.
Anonymous No.17887227 [Report] >>17887249
>>17887211
Mate, Jesus ordered St. John to take care of his mother. This is a task ordered to siblings, not strangers.

The Greek word used for "brothers" is also the word used for cousins.
Anonymous No.17887237 [Report] >>17887244 >>17887320
>>17887207
>>17887208
every judeoempire since rome has used christianity as their state religion lol

you aren't trad. you worship globalized universalist jew cult
Anonymous No.17887244 [Report] >>17887390
>>17887237
Which empire actually encouraged the people to follow the teachings of Jesus? If they aren't teaching people to behave like Christ then what right do they have to call themselves Christians?
Anonymous No.17887249 [Report] >>17887421
>>17887227
You can't give birth and remain a virgin, the hymen breaks in labor.
Anonymous No.17887320 [Report]
>>17887237
It was already majority of the population before it became the state religion
Anonymous No.17887390 [Report] >>17887863
>>17887244
"real communism hasn't been tried" tier
Anonymous No.17887421 [Report] >>17888804
>>17887249
God only looks at the soul, mate
Anonymous No.17887462 [Report]
>>17886915 (OP)
>is an entire category of thinking stupid because of three specific examples?
Is science stupid because scientists used to believe that the universe existed eternally?
Anonymous No.17887863 [Report] >>17888801
>>17887390
Bible is completely blatant that no one can ever be truly like Christ. Doesn't mean that we shouldn't try, though

Also, once he returns, he shall be the king and let us know what a perfect governance looks like. And the unbelievers would absolutely hate it. He shall rule peacefully for 1000 years then the unbelievers will have their chance to try and dismantle what Christ built to return back to the old ways

But it would ultimately backfire and they shall be condemned along with Satan
Anonymous No.17888801 [Report]
>>17887863
>Bible is completely blatant that no one can ever be truly like Christ.
Show where.
Anonymous No.17888804 [Report] >>17890488
>>17887421
The soul has no virginity.
Anonymous No.17888880 [Report] >>17889181
What do Catholics think Jesus' Y-chromosome looks like?
Like, is there a precedent for believing God based it on Joseph's? Or is it an entirely divinely generated chromosome?
Anonymous No.17888886 [Report]
>>17886915 (OP)
What is wrong with that though? God can create such creatures and make them talk
Anonymous No.17889100 [Report]
>>17886915 (OP)
>what is symbolism and semiotics?
Anonymous No.17889101 [Report]
>>17886937
A walking talking incubator
Simon Salva !tMhYkwTORI No.17889104 [Report]
>>17887069

They are real, they're just demons.
Anonymous No.17889181 [Report] >>17889816 >>17891358
>>17888880
We already have Eucharistic Miracles

3 miracles of the Eucharist turning into real flesh
All have the same result:
AB blood
DNA inconsistent
Anonymous No.17889816 [Report] >>17890814
>>17889181
Wish the priest that found the eucharist miracle was faster to get Jesus sample to a lab
We could've had Jesus clones, or at the very least CRISPR babies with some divine DNA edited into their genome
Anonymous No.17890324 [Report]
>>17886915 (OP)
People were always retarded NPCs, whether 100, 1000 or 10000 years ago.
Anonymous No.17890383 [Report]
>>17886915 (OP)
Religious belief in the ancient world was much like it is today, in that it had general trends across rural vs urban, rich vs poor, and regional location. Just like today the poor and rural could be very literal and sincere in their belief while urban dwellers and the wealthy might often do what they do today, with non-committal beliefs and short-term adoptions of "Fad" religions. And just like today you had major exceptions to these trends in all populations. Furthermore there were those who gave no real credence to religious belief but kept it to themselves in order to not be socially ostracized or worse, just like many do in less tolerant countries today. Finally you see similarities between then and now with how religious belief operates in times of trouble. When times were/are bad people become more sincere, literal, and intolerant. When times are good and peaceful people are/were more relaxed, metaphorical, and accepting of other beliefs and rituals.
Anonymous No.17890488 [Report] >>17891329
>>17888804
Nigga, to worship someone is to recognize that he is hopelessly above you in every way

And we worship Christ
Anonymous No.17890814 [Report]
>>17889816
His "DNA inconsistent" is attributed to 2 reasons

1. Jesus' DNA is from Mary and *God*
2. He is protecting his living relatives from receiving unwanted attention
Anonymous No.17891329 [Report]
>>17890488
I worship Yahu.
Anonymous No.17891358 [Report] >>17891683 >>17891683
>>17889181
It's not that DNA is inconsistent. There's no human DNA there. It's nothing more but contamination.
>AB blood
It's clearly not blood if there's no human DNA. You basically worship bacteria or fungi.
Anonymous No.17891683 [Report]
>>17891358
>>17891358
Nigger
They have confirmed that it's flesh taken from a human heart, which was undergoing extreme suffering
Anonymous No.17891699 [Report]
Parables Anon
Anonymous No.17891718 [Report]
>>17886937
I don't know either. Are they like one of those fictional races like elves or dwarfs?
Anonymous No.17891775 [Report]
>>17887065
Because the Israelis have botted us out of pol.
Anonymous No.17891965 [Report] >>17892235 >>17892254
>>17887078
I spent the last hour or so looking into this claim because if it were true, it would have been very, very significant for me. I'm not a Christian hater, I just seek truth.

From looking online, the first alleged mention of this prophecy is from 1790 in an autobiography; the problem is that we do not have access to this source. The first public mention of this source is from 1985 in Spanish, made by a conservative Catholic group that wanted to have her made into a saint, who were upset about Vatican 2 and general social degeneracy. The guy who claims this is located in Ecuador, he is trying to get her into sainthood, and no one comes to check his claims.

There exists no public record of this claim before 1985; the sources they use are not public, so it's just trust me, bro. This claim is only found in conservative catholic circles, and no one else has looked into it.

This claim has no English sources from before 2000.

So basically it's talking about the late 20th century in the late 20th century. I take prophecy seriously. I think that the prophecies of writers like Nietzsche and Spengler are very insightful; however, this prophecy is basically backdated to this obscure nun, whom a conservative catholic group is trying to get made into a saint.

What would change my mind is if they opened up the books and showed us the 1790 handwritten autobiography with the claims made. I think that even a 1790 prophecy would have a lot of weight.
Anonymous No.17892235 [Report] >>17892713
>>17891965
That is not true
Here is the actual history
>https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/F057_OLGS_Sources.htm

This was originally a vision revealed to a 13 year old girl. Mary first ordered that a statue be built there.
The girl went on to live in the convent where further vissions were revealed to her continuously until 1600's

Which she wrote down and secured by the nuns within the convent.

By 1700's, a priest came and was bewildered at the amount of documents and visions that were available within the convent
He wrote a book called "The Admirable Life of Mother Mariana" which he published in 1790's in Spanish. It was all about the visions that he found most important, but he confess that there's just too many for him to discuss in a single book and just invited everyone to come and visit the convent
> “It would be impossible to narrate here all the heavenly communications of this privileged soul with God Our Lord. In this small biography, only the most significant events of her life can be related. As for the rest, let the curious reader go to the Cuadernon in the Convent of the Immaculate Conception in Quito, where all the details of her admirable life are recorded” (Life, vol. II, p. 98).

Unfortunately, just as prophesied, a war broke out. This forced the nuns to seal the manuscripts and the statue somewhere within the convent, and they have yet to be found,

>“This document, as well as other precious things, will be hidden by my successors in a closet concealed in a wall of this Convent... for they will not have the light to understand that no earthly power can cause harm to my Convent."

According to prophecy, the documents and the statue that Mary commissioned shall remain hidden until the control over the convent is handed back to the Franciscans (it is currently under the Diocese)
In 1990's, UNESCO launched a renovation of the convent where every brick was restored but still, no one was able to locate the document
Anonymous No.17892254 [Report] >>17892713 >>17893242
>>17891965
Btw, if publication date is not available, you can still discern the age of a document and location where it was written by analyzing things like writing style, sentence structures, use of names, etc

We do not have access to the original manuscript but they analyzed it based on other documents written at that time
>Msgr. Almeida explains, a careful study of the manuscript was made to determine its authenticity, comparing the text of the manuscript to other known documents of the time with regard to diction, style, commonly used expressions, etc. As a final litmus test, it was compared to the works indubitably authored by Archbishop Luis Lopez de Solis, Bishop of Quito from 1592-1606. The results of this research determined that the manuscript we presently have of The Admirable Life of Mother Mariana by Fr. Pereira was a faithful copy of the original.
Anonymous No.17892713 [Report] >>17892937 >>17894260
>>17892235
>>17892254

There still isn't proof of the prophecy. And the prophecy of being lost is exactly the thing I would say if I were lying. However, I also read somewhere that maybe the 1790 text was destroyed in a fire.

I also said the only people circulating this were conservative catholics. If the text wasn't destroyed in a fire, I think it would have turned when they rebuilt the thing.

Sorry for turning such a critical eye on this. I've been on a bit of an early Christianity kick recently, and after learning that Hebrews and Timothy were forgeries and learning about the murky origins of Christianity, I've become anti-church authority and dogma, but not anti-Christian.

A side tangent not related to this discussion, but the reason why Christianity has been losing to atheism and new age bullshit is the dogma and traditions that may have been bitter but helpful medicine in the pre-industrial world, are nothing but an albatross. Technology changes our relationship with the material and spiritual world; for example, the steam and later internal combustion engines change our relationship with space. I bring this up because you seem like an honest bro, and maybe you can make the traditionalist movement more helpful
Anonymous No.17892937 [Report] >>17893068 >>17893242 >>17894071 >>17894122
>>17892713
First off, the convent never burned.
Secondly, the book that talks about the prophecy is not what you should be looking at but the source itself
And by source, I mean the person who got the vision - Mariana de Jesús de Paredes
We know that the prophecy is real by the fact that she's been a legend amongst the faithful within the colony. It fact, she got her first attention for canonization under King Charles II of Spain. We have mentions of the study for her canonization as early as 1757

Thus, it doesn't make sense to call the book a fake when it is merely a secondary material to the stuff that was happening around Mother Mariana

>Hebrews and Timothy were forgeries
No. Don't listen to single minded arguments.
Also, it is accepted since the very beginning that a scripture can be written by someone else (i.e some OT scriptures talk about deaths of the judges and apostles, thus we can conclude that someone else wrote them). What matters is that they are "Divinely Inspired" which means that it must always adhere to the revelations of the previous scriptures without contradicting one.

>Christianity has been losing to atheism and new age bullshit
lol lmao
You do not see a single one of them in times of turmoil. You will not see them replacing anything
Anonymous No.17893068 [Report]
>>17892937
>apostles
*prophet
The Bible talks about the death of Moses
And Elijah was taken up to heaven

Thus, we can conclude that the next passages weren't written by them
Anonymous No.17893242 [Report]
>>17892937
>>17892254
>>17887205
>>17887049
>>17887010
>Luce
Enjoy Hell.
Anonymous No.17893777 [Report]
>>17886915 (OP)
Why are you not making Christianity an exception? Stupid stupid stupid stupid.
Anonymous No.17894071 [Report] >>17894122 >>17894443
>>17892937
Brother, what im saying is that there is no evidence for the prophecy made by the original source. It's just a game of trust me, bro, telephone from an obscure nun in an obscure part of the world.

And this claim doesn't appear before the 1980s. This claim is only found in tradcath circles because it doesn't stand up on closer inspection.

The reason why I bring up Hebrews and Timothy is because these are credited to Paul, and they are not, so either the church is lying/committing forgery or someone after the fact took Anonymous letters and ascribed them to Paul, and tradition kept the legend going along.

In the OT, they backdated Daniel; it was written in the 2nd century bc and backdated to the 6th century bc. That's just the one that I know the best, but from what I understand, backdating texts and prophecy is common; the Romans and Greeks did it.

The cannon gospels are attributed to 4 of the 12 disciples; however, it's pretty clear that they had anonymous authors and were written decades after the fact. the bible was written in Greek, mostly by helenized jews spread throughout the empire. Mark coming first, then the other ones being partially based on Mark, and Mark has an unknown source. possibly being one of the non-canon gospels, like the gospel of Peter.

These helenized jews would have had connections to other mystery cults like the cult of Dionysus and other cults that would have been influential on early Christianity. These people would have been the first Christians outside of the Middle East.

My point being that the traditions that you hold are not eternal, nor really sacred. At one point, Christianity was a living, breathing, if messy force in the world, not a stuffed corpse.

It's said that the early Christians were persecuted and that people don't die for a lie. That's not true, people die for and because of lies all the time, but early Christianity spoke to people's soul in a way that modern Christianity can't.
Anonymous No.17894122 [Report] >>17894443
>>17894071
>>17892937
For the record, im not saying that Christianity is a lie, it's just that it's not clear from the outset that Christianity would go down the path it did.

And to finish off on my argument on the gospels, like I said, they would have had Anonymous authors, but if you think that they didn't, how do you know that the gospels of say Peter or Timothy weren't written by who they say they were

If the 4 were written by who they say they were, why not the non-canonical gospels? The fact of the matter is that we really don't know.

to address your points,
>You do not see a single one of them in times of turmoil. You will not see them replacing anything
fair. We will see, these religions are good times religions for weak men, but we will see.

To bring it back on topic, there is much debate to be had on these religious texts, and they shouldn't be taken on face value. I can believe Jesus, but not just some random dude writing 100 years after the fact about this or that, let alone some guy writing 300 years after the fact. like the early christians didn't have the idea of the trinity, that being said, im not rejecting the trinity, but what I am saying is that modern Christianity is a stuffed mess made for the world as it was 500 years ago. We cannot return; we must move ahead.
Anonymous No.17894260 [Report]
>>17892713
>after learning that Hebrews and Timothy were forgeries
1&2 Timothy, sure, but Hebrews is anonymous, so how can it be a forgery? The fact that it has been historically attributed to Paul, although it itself doesn't claim to have been, doesn't make it a forgery.
Anonymous No.17894443 [Report] >>17894661
>>17894071
>>17894122
First off, Mother Mariana and her prophecies were noted by King Charles the II of Spain. Thus, yes, records of her existed outside of "tradcath circles"

Secondly, you are not making any sense here, lad. So what if it was written decades after?
EVERYTHING in the ancient world was written decades, if not centuries, later.

In fact, it is ridiculous to make any assumptions that the gospels were forgeries when, right from the start, Christians were oppressed by the Jews who rejected Christ.
Acts were estimated to have been 30 years worth of Church history - a third of which were spent in Judea where they were beaten, imprisoned, and were almost killed. All without making money and none ever had any women.

This is far far faaar from Joseph Smith who lived as life of luxury alongside his wives

People can die for a lie
No one can ever live humbly under great persecution, over a lie

>early christians didn't have the idea of the trinity
This is false. The Trinity was a succession of the Jews who once believed that Yahweh and the Spirit of the Lord are one.
After the Trinity was conceived, the Jews started pretending like it wasn't their idea first
Anonymous No.17894661 [Report] >>17894779
>>17894443
>First off, Mother Mariana and her prophecies were noted by King Charles the II of Spain
where? I can't find any evidence of this. King Charles the 2nd was also the famously ill one, the one that has the jaw, the one who baffled Christian medicine, also tradcaths are obsessed with these devout Spanish kings, so yeah, only talked about in Christian circles

>EVERYTHING in the ancient world was written decades, if not centuries, later
Sure, so things like political and local/temporal variables colour the texts when they are being writen down.

As for the persecution, they were persecuted a bit by the jews, a little bit by Nero because he was anti-everything Jewish after he destroyed the temple, it was only really Diocletian that went after Christians.

Actually, on the temple, There is no written evidence that Jesus said that the temple was going to be destroyed before 70 AD, when the temple was destroyed. so, after nero crushed the jews, they get scattered across the empire and started converting because Jesus said that the temple was going to be destroyed, however this could have just been post facto propaganda to convert these anti-roman disillusioned jews to christianity. This Jewish anti-Nero sentiment would explain the references to Nero in the book of Revelation. However, im not saying that Jesus never said that the temple was going to get destroyed, just that it's hard to tell, and it could go either way.

Most of the first Christians would have been helenized jews living in the empire, where the Jewish authorities couldn't reach them

What im saying is that the church has a history of taking things and running with them. So I'm sceptical of these claims. And given that we have no real evidence from before Luis Cadena y Almeida in 1985, im going to call bullshit.

You still haven't addressed what I said about the gospel of Peter, the church being wrong about Paul and people backdating religious prophecies all the time; there's a pattern here.
Anonymous No.17894776 [Report] >>17894827
>>17886915 (OP)
the Old Testament has a lot of weird stuff, that's why we have the New Testament. forget about the OT, focus on the NT. the NT matters.
Anonymous No.17894779 [Report] >>17895811
>>17894661
I don't know. If you wanted to be too much of a cynical, go ask some actual scholar at the Spanish museum or something.

You are allowed to be as critical as you want over any given topic. But do not go so far as to throw away common sense

Christianity is just a very minor sect of a minority group. It has no benefit to offer and was actually often led to danger because its dogma of rejecting false gods made them a target of blame whenever famine and plague ravaged the land. In fact, the very idea of them not bowing to the statue of the Emperor is seen as absurd and borderline rebellious.

Fire all your assumptions, all you wish.
But the simplest answer is often always the right one.
They did it because they believe in Christ and that's it
Anonymous No.17894787 [Report]
>>17886915 (OP)
Modern humans believe in shit like the holocaust and are athiests.
The athiest cult is less sensible than any religion ancient or modern.
Anonymous No.17894814 [Report] >>17894868 >>17894871 >>17894872
>>17886915 (OP)
Abrahamic religion is stupid on purpose, yes. The alternative timeline of human history presented through the Abrahamic model is a set of lies conceived of by a desert cult wanting to justify genocide. Just look at history from time period of when Canaanites had a polytheistic religion, overtaken by cult worshipers of Yaweh (one god among their pantheon at the time) who later wrote "god commanded their slaughter" as they wiped out their fellow Canaanites and established control over the narrative of their origins. The spread of Abrahamic faith throughout the world ever since that time in history has been through genocidal, bloody conquest & forceful conversion. For all of human history until that time period, BEFORE the Abrahamic mythology was pushed on everybody, polytheism was the global meta for spiritual belief. None of those ancient empires of the old world brought about global instability and suffering on a scale comparable to what followers of the Abrahamic faith have wrought in their day. People who believe in Abrahamic religions think that the myths they believe in are "historical facts". They're brainwashed retards, as is intended by the authors of the bible. Cult worshippers of Yaweh aka the Israelites "gods chosen people" benefit from the spread of their alternative-timeline, delivered through the 3 main religions, while the rest of the world fights amongst ourselves taking the side of either Islam or Christianity while abandoning all interest in fact checking these narratives with verifiable historical data.

Pic related it's one of the earliest depictions of Yaweh. Abrahamic faith is retarded and this is their god of the Hebrew bible, the basis for all of Judaism and Christianity and Islam, in His original ""glory"". Cut your dicks and go spread the word of god, or else! And don't forget: God needs your money!
Anonymous No.17894827 [Report] >>17894853
>>17894776
>virgin pregnancy
>walking on water
>water turning into wine
>zombie
>healing blindness with mud
And many other examples of "weird stuff" in the NT.
Anonymous No.17894853 [Report] >>17894859
>>17894827
Haha yeah those silly Jews making up weird tales

Why don't they make stuff that make sense like a giant iron castles that fly, boxes that can churn out books in seconds, and iron boxes that have tiny people inside.

So silly so stupid
Anonymous No.17894859 [Report] >>17894937
>>17894853
>giant iron castles that fly, boxes that can churn out books in seconds, and iron boxes that have tiny people inside.
Remind us when people who believed in those things ever set out to force their beliefs onto the rest of the world, on the basis of "the things I believe in tell me I need to convert everybody else into believing this too".
Anonymous No.17894868 [Report] >>17894969
>>17894814
That's a depiction of the ancient Egyptians God Bes.
I have only seen you jews claim that it is Yahweh.
Anonymous No.17894871 [Report] >>17894969
>>17894814
>Canaanites
No such thing.
It's a biblical term that you jews try to meme into actual history.
The reality here is that Christianity is basicly a Greek invention that was build on top of Egyptian Atenism (the oldest form of monotheism).
Anonymous No.17894872 [Report] >>17894969
>>17894814
>Hebrew bible
Found the jew!
Only you rats refer to the Bible which was authored in Greek by that name
Anonymous No.17894937 [Report] >>17894969 >>17895007
>>17894859
It is the lot of you who are forcing people to say that men can be women
Fuck off
Anonymous No.17894969 [Report] >>17894975
>>17894868
>>17894871
>>17894872
>>17894937
Read history, as in verifiable historical data, not the abrahamic-model you believe in with your feelings. The land of Canaan was never a unified kingdom but it was a historically documented region in Mesopotamia until late 13th century BC. Abraham never existed but cultists who wrote stories about him in their religious narratives did originate from that time period & region of the world. Christianity wouldn't exist without the Hebrew bible and that's the origins of where it comes from. This is a matter of record now, not something you can cope and deny by saying it's a set of opinions you disagree with. Typical Abrahamic NPC relying on vibes rather than looking far enough back to challenge your own personal beliefs
>everything that disagrees with my narrative is jewish!
Good one. Challenge anything I've said with verifiable historical data and see for yourself if I made any errors. Abraham never exist, Moses never existed, Christianity is just another form of Abrahamic cult brainwashing. You think you're a smart special snowflake because you happen to believe in a non mainstream version of it lmao still ignorant of actual history of its true origins from Mesopotamia. There was never a mass exodus of slaves from egypt who were led out by someone of Abrahamic faith. The bible is full of shit, verifiably so.
Anonymous No.17894975 [Report] >>17895009 >>17895014
>>17894969
Our God is Jesus
He claim that Moses and Abraham existed and we believe him

Or are you going to deny the existence of Jesus too?
Anonymous No.17895007 [Report]
>>17894937
>forcing people to say that men can be woman
troubled basedjak
>forcing people to say that virgins can become spontaneously pregnant, corpses can come back to life, snakes can talk, water surface tension can support human weight
cheerful basedjak
Anonymous No.17895009 [Report] >>17895024
>>17894975
Not a single firsthand witness account of jesus exists as verifiable historical data to analyze. Why would I even begin to believe in something which has never and will never be substantiated by facts? I don't think with 'vibes', I'm not a retard like that lil bro. I need something complimentary to the critical thought process as the basis for belief first. The bible doesn't offer anything like that.
Anonymous No.17895014 [Report]
>>17894975
>Or are you going to deny the existence of Jesus too?
Either he didn't exist or he existed but didn't actually do any magical hocus pocus. Both of those are fine by me. But I will 100% deny that he had capeshit superpowers if he did exist.
Anonymous No.17895024 [Report] >>17895082
>>17895009
Are the gospels not first hand account to you?
That's 4 whole books just all about him.

To compare: Alexander had only 2. All written 300 years after he died
Anonymous No.17895082 [Report] >>17895098 >>17895103
>>17895024
Which gospels do you think are true on the basis of being historically verifiable, authors and all, from non religious sources?

>To compare: Alexander had only 2. All written 300 years after he died
That's not what "first hand account" means...
Anonymous No.17895086 [Report] >>17895103
Anonymous No.17895098 [Report]
>>17895082
Luke's gospel is literally being used as a reference for historical events during this time because of how accurate he is.
He got everything right - geography, coinages, soldier ranks, and ruling leaders during their time

It's literally impossible to lie about the gospel as the people in charge - both the Roman governor and the Pharisees are all still alive
Anonymous No.17895103 [Report]
>>17895082
>first hand account
All we have from that is later abridgments
Sort of like the Ethiopian national epic >>17895086
Anonymous No.17895811 [Report] >>17895849
>>17894779
im not actually doubting Christianity, just the claim made about the 1610 event because of the legends and misdirections in the bible. I think really what i was trying to say wasn't that christ was fake, rather that Christianity was created by the church/early Christians based on the teachings of Christ, and are not infallible. My point was that the church is not infallible and that people are one to take things and run with them and shape them to fit what they are trying to do

I think it's a bit of a jump to say that some Christians died for their faith, so everything in the bible is 100% true and we must trust and follow the church no matter what.

I feel like my own personal axe to grind with the church made my point muddy. Though I am most certainly not 100% correct on things like tradition.

We can agree to disagree on this topic, you seem pretty reasonable tradcath anime bro, have a blessed week, heres an anime girl of my own
Anonymous No.17895849 [Report]
>>17895811
Yes, that's called being cynical.
Use your common sense. Myth and legends are bound to happen but everything had an actual real origin.
And this is where you have to put your faith on. Not the flairs and prose