Bible has talking snake, hinduism has elephant god, egyptians worshipped cat-headed women.

How could ancient people take that seriously?

>>17886915 (OP)
What is a woman

>>17886915 (OP)
yes
just like nigerian prince scams
you don't want people with critical skills, you want to filter those out as early as possible
if they stay through the obvious bullshit, they won't complain when you are literally fucking their wives and telling them to cut off their children's penises or whatever

>>17886915 (OP)
The snake in the garden actually has 3 meanings

As a noun, it means snake
As a verb, it means shinning
As an adj, it means divinator

Lucifer is the greatest of all the angels. He was meant to be the herald of God's might. Thus, it is clear why he is shinning and a divinator

He was also depicted as a snake because, during this time the snake is seen as the symbol of divinity. The Akkadians, Egyptians, Hittites, etc, all uphold the snake as the icon of immortality and divine grace

But the Bible tells you the opposite - the snake is the devil

>>17886915 (OP)
mushussu is white people, the result of "gods" creating a race of mankind by mating with them.

>>17886952
The Bible doesn't actually tell you that.
Rather the snake is a shadow of its former self.
They apparently didn't 'crawl' around on their bellies and 'ate dust' before the events in the Garden of Eden.

>>17886937
Bruh, I am literally a fascist
I'm not gonna stop you if you want to whine about trannies. Still don't think it's true that a man walked on water 2000 years ago

>>17886915 (OP)

In Shintoism, it's even worse. Just read the fucking Kojiki. This is why I will NEVER follow Shittoeism, it's too bizarre and demonic for anyone with a love of Christ and an IQ above 85.

>>17886937
A being incapable of parthenogenesis unlike what the bible claims.

>>17886937
The best part of this retarded retort is that I'm not required to accept that men can be women. You are, however, required to defend what is written on the pages of the Bible. If you skirt around this then you're just LARPing as religious which is arguably worse than just being atheist.

>>17886970
"Crawl on your belly and eat dust" is actually an ancient figure of speech which means "to be completely and utterly defeated in a humiliating manner."

Which is exactly what happened

>>17886978
>>17886994
That's nice
This madness is still your fault, though.

>>17887010
Satan being the snake is still inferrence.

>>17887010

>Luce

Fuck off. Luce is a mockery of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, introduced by Antipope Francis.

>>17887012
>believes that juice and crackers literally turn into flesh
>a fag dressed like a woman wasn't his idea though
Cope. Pagans used to throw trannies into bogs.

>>17887030

No. Pagans viewed trannies as demigods, and built altars around them. Even Thor was one.

>>17887012
>madness (XY woman)
Disgruntled basedjak
>madness (parthenogenetic woman and zombie Jew)
Blissful basedjak

>>17887030
That's false, actually
Worship of Isthar involves the priest dressing as women and women as men

Her feast involves everyone lining up outside the temple with a begging bowl in hand. Anyone who drops a coin can have sex with her/him

And get this, one of her sacred symbols is the Rainbow

Deny God and you invoke madness

>>17887037
>Thor
I thought it was Loki that had a tendency to shapshift and a woman was one of the forms he'd take.

>>17887037

Not to mention Odin drank cum. Lol.

>>17887049
Your god is one enabling trannism. Bread will never be flesh.

>>17887012
My local church is literally flying transflags from their rafters
Meanwhile my local atheist community is... there is no local atheist community.

How is thinking it's true than a man walked on water 2000 years ago, supposed to prevent lgbt?

>>17886915 (OP)
Why are christrannies ruining this board?

>>17887063
Because you're supposed to listen and obey what that man said.

>>17887057
Thor and Odin are not real

>>17887065

Who the fuck are you talking to? The void? Yourself?...

>>17887068
It's clearly not working

>>17887057

Also..

>>17886251

>>17887012
>TRANSsubstantiation
No actually, it's yours.
>>17887065
It's just beaners from Latin America. White Christians from the first world barely post here.

>>17887063
>>17887061
This was already prophesied 400 years ago.

We were warned but since you deny God, you were left unprepared

>>17887078
Who's that child she's holding?

>>17887068
He said there is no men, no women in bible.

>>17887077
>just beaners from Latin America
True. You can tell by how belligerent and effeminate they are

>>17887078
Please tell me what preparations people like you, who do not deny God, have made

>>17886948
14 year old

Stop talking to Simon Salva please everyone. He is a schizo troll even if it seems like sometimes, rarely he interacts in good faith.

>>17887096
To start, we did not lose hope.
We just calmly did our mission and watch the Lord do his thing

Unlike you lads who are hounding around, raging fruitlessly

Our only duty is to prepare for our judgment. Leave everything else to God

>>17887124
Look, you're just confused and talking shit
you just blame me for trannies, because somehow I should have prepared for that

Specifically how did you prepare for trannies?
Did it work?

>>17887151
We just did as we were told - have faith

Protees are turning Catholic
UK (30% atheist) is turning Catholic
And there are now talks about the reunification of the Catholic Church and the Orthodox

I'd say things are going well.

>>17887164
Just seems like there should be waaay less trannies around if your preparations were successful

>>17887164
I really like the Catholic Church but I just can't get behind the whole perpetual virginity of Mary and papal infallibility. Both are ridiculous, unhistorical, and completely unBiblical.

>>17887172
Guess their faith

>>17887174
If you don't like the Pope, go to Orthodoxy

Mary's perpetual virginity is just common sense, honestly. Would you seriously try to touch God's wife?

>>17887174
Accidentally saged sorry. Does sage even still work? I've been here since 2011.

>>17886937
Ask your tough and hardcore right wing church.

I assume this is another 'religion is in a constant state of conflict with science' thread

I don't get it. I for sure though the Pope was pro lgbt, at least the previous one.

>>17887180
Nah

>>17887175
I don't think that's how it works
Catholics should be able to prevent trannies all around with God on their side, not just among Catholics
Besides, you'd just not be a Catholic by definition if you're a tranny. IMO. I'd sat there are exactly zero tranny Catholics, by definition. This is hardly surprising.

>>17887184
I already told you I am fascist. What more do you want?

>>17887191
No. Everyone has their own individual battles.
All the Church can do is remind everyone that God is real, he is watching, and deliver his words to all who wish to hear them.

If you wish to reject it, so be it.

All of us must undergo the choice of bearing the cross of repentance or chastisement

>>17887195
His entire religion being majority globohomo doesnt matter but something something reddit trannies. That's how all these beaner tradlarpers argue

>>17887206
My religion is not globohomo. We are as TRAD as we can be. Stop the slandering!

>>17887207

Baste.

>>17887176
Jesus had brothers and sisters. This is Biblical. We know the names of his brothers; James, Simon, Jude, and Joses. We know about some of their lives as saints. She wasn't the wife of God, she was impregnated by God, she was the wife of Joseph.

>>17887191
The Catholic Church would disagree. The official stance is that being trans is a sin, yet they can be members and are welcomed.

>>17887176
Mary is not God's wife.

>>17887211
Mate, Jesus ordered St. John to take care of his mother. This is a task ordered to siblings, not strangers.

The Greek word used for "brothers" is also the word used for cousins.

>>17887207
>>17887208
every judeoempire since rome has used christianity as their state religion lol

you aren't trad. you worship globalized universalist jew cult

>>17887237
Which empire actually encouraged the people to follow the teachings of Jesus? If they aren't teaching people to behave like Christ then what right do they have to call themselves Christians?

>>17887227
You can't give birth and remain a virgin, the hymen breaks in labor.

>>17887237
It was already majority of the population before it became the state religion

>>17887244
"real communism hasn't been tried" tier

>>17887249
God only looks at the soul, mate

>>17886915 (OP)
>is an entire category of thinking stupid because of three specific examples?
Is science stupid because scientists used to believe that the universe existed eternally?

>>17887390
Bible is completely blatant that no one can ever be truly like Christ. Doesn't mean that we shouldn't try, though

Also, once he returns, he shall be the king and let us know what a perfect governance looks like. And the unbelievers would absolutely hate it. He shall rule peacefully for 1000 years then the unbelievers will have their chance to try and dismantle what Christ built to return back to the old ways

But it would ultimately backfire and they shall be condemned along with Satan

>>17887863
>Bible is completely blatant that no one can ever be truly like Christ.
Show where.

>>17887421
The soul has no virginity.

What do Catholics think Jesus' Y-chromosome looks like?
Like, is there a precedent for believing God based it on Joseph's? Or is it an entirely divinely generated chromosome?

>>17886915 (OP)
What is wrong with that though? God can create such creatures and make them talk

>>17886915 (OP)
>what is symbolism and semiotics?

>>17886937
A walking talking incubator

>>17887069

They are real, they're just demons.

>>17888880
We already have Eucharistic Miracles

3 miracles of the Eucharist turning into real flesh
All have the same result:
AB blood
DNA inconsistent

>>17889181
Wish the priest that found the eucharist miracle was faster to get Jesus sample to a lab
We could've had Jesus clones, or at the very least CRISPR babies with some divine DNA edited into their genome

>>17886915 (OP)
People were always retarded NPCs, whether 100, 1000 or 10000 years ago.

>>17886915 (OP)
Religious belief in the ancient world was much like it is today, in that it had general trends across rural vs urban, rich vs poor, and regional location. Just like today the poor and rural could be very literal and sincere in their belief while urban dwellers and the wealthy might often do what they do today, with non-committal beliefs and short-term adoptions of "Fad" religions. And just like today you had major exceptions to these trends in all populations. Furthermore there were those who gave no real credence to religious belief but kept it to themselves in order to not be socially ostracized or worse, just like many do in less tolerant countries today. Finally you see similarities between then and now with how religious belief operates in times of trouble. When times were/are bad people become more sincere, literal, and intolerant. When times are good and peaceful people are/were more relaxed, metaphorical, and accepting of other beliefs and rituals.

>>17888804
Nigga, to worship someone is to recognize that he is hopelessly above you in every way

And we worship Christ

>>17889816
His "DNA inconsistent" is attributed to 2 reasons

1. Jesus' DNA is from Mary and *God*
2. He is protecting his living relatives from receiving unwanted attention

>>17890488
I worship Yahu.

>>17889181
It's not that DNA is inconsistent. There's no human DNA there. It's nothing more but contamination.
>AB blood
It's clearly not blood if there's no human DNA. You basically worship bacteria or fungi.

>>17891358
>>17891358
Nigger
They have confirmed that it's flesh taken from a human heart, which was undergoing extreme suffering

Parables Anon

>>17886937
I don't know either. Are they like one of those fictional races like elves or dwarfs?

>>17887065
Because the Israelis have botted us out of pol.

>>17887078
I spent the last hour or so looking into this claim because if it were true, it would have been very, very significant for me. I'm not a Christian hater, I just seek truth.

From looking online, the first alleged mention of this prophecy is from 1790 in an autobiography; the problem is that we do not have access to this source. The first public mention of this source is from 1985 in Spanish, made by a conservative Catholic group that wanted to have her made into a saint, who were upset about Vatican 2 and general social degeneracy. The guy who claims this is located in Ecuador, he is trying to get her into sainthood, and no one comes to check his claims.

There exists no public record of this claim before 1985; the sources they use are not public, so it's just trust me, bro. This claim is only found in conservative catholic circles, and no one else has looked into it.

This claim has no English sources from before 2000.

So basically it's talking about the late 20th century in the late 20th century. I take prophecy seriously. I think that the prophecies of writers like Nietzsche and Spengler are very insightful; however, this prophecy is basically backdated to this obscure nun, whom a conservative catholic group is trying to get made into a saint.

What would change my mind is if they opened up the books and showed us the 1790 handwritten autobiography with the claims made. I think that even a 1790 prophecy would have a lot of weight.

>>17891965
That is not true
Here is the actual history
>https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/F057_OLGS_Sources.htm

This was originally a vision revealed to a 13 year old girl. Mary first ordered that a statue be built there.
The girl went on to live in the convent where further vissions were revealed to her continuously until 1600's

Which she wrote down and secured by the nuns within the convent.

By 1700's, a priest came and was bewildered at the amount of documents and visions that were available within the convent
He wrote a book called "The Admirable Life of Mother Mariana" which he published in 1790's in Spanish. It was all about the visions that he found most important, but he confess that there's just too many for him to discuss in a single book and just invited everyone to come and visit the convent
> “It would be impossible to narrate here all the heavenly communications of this privileged soul with God Our Lord. In this small biography, only the most significant events of her life can be related. As for the rest, let the curious reader go to the Cuadernon in the Convent of the Immaculate Conception in Quito, where all the details of her admirable life are recorded” (Life, vol. II, p. 98).

Unfortunately, just as prophesied, a war broke out. This forced the nuns to seal the manuscripts and the statue somewhere within the convent, and they have yet to be found,

>“This document, as well as other precious things, will be hidden by my successors in a closet concealed in a wall of this Convent... for they will not have the light to understand that no earthly power can cause harm to my Convent."

According to prophecy, the documents and the statue that Mary commissioned shall remain hidden until the control over the convent is handed back to the Franciscans (it is currently under the Diocese)
In 1990's, UNESCO launched a renovation of the convent where every brick was restored but still, no one was able to locate the document

>>17891965
Btw, if publication date is not available, you can still discern the age of a document and location where it was written by analyzing things like writing style, sentence structures, use of names, etc

We do not have access to the original manuscript but they analyzed it based on other documents written at that time
>Msgr. Almeida explains, a careful study of the manuscript was made to determine its authenticity, comparing the text of the manuscript to other known documents of the time with regard to diction, style, commonly used expressions, etc. As a final litmus test, it was compared to the works indubitably authored by Archbishop Luis Lopez de Solis, Bishop of Quito from 1592-1606. The results of this research determined that the manuscript we presently have of The Admirable Life of Mother Mariana by Fr. Pereira was a faithful copy of the original.

>>17892235
>>17892254

There still isn't proof of the prophecy. And the prophecy of being lost is exactly the thing I would say if I were lying. However, I also read somewhere that maybe the 1790 text was destroyed in a fire.

I also said the only people circulating this were conservative catholics. If the text wasn't destroyed in a fire, I think it would have turned when they rebuilt the thing.

Sorry for turning such a critical eye on this. I've been on a bit of an early Christianity kick recently, and after learning that Hebrews and Timothy were forgeries and learning about the murky origins of Christianity, I've become anti-church authority and dogma, but not anti-Christian.

A side tangent not related to this discussion, but the reason why Christianity has been losing to atheism and new age bullshit is the dogma and traditions that may have been bitter but helpful medicine in the pre-industrial world, are nothing but an albatross. Technology changes our relationship with the material and spiritual world; for example, the steam and later internal combustion engines change our relationship with space. I bring this up because you seem like an honest bro, and maybe you can make the traditionalist movement more helpful

>>17892713
First off, the convent never burned.
Secondly, the book that talks about the prophecy is not what you should be looking at but the source itself
And by source, I mean the person who got the vision - Mariana de Jesús de Paredes
We know that the prophecy is real by the fact that she's been a legend amongst the faithful within the colony. It fact, she got her first attention for canonization under King Charles II of Spain. We have mentions of the study for her canonization as early as 1757

Thus, it doesn't make sense to call the book a fake when it is merely a secondary material to the stuff that was happening around Mother Mariana

>Hebrews and Timothy were forgeries
No. Don't listen to single minded arguments.
Also, it is accepted since the very beginning that a scripture can be written by someone else (i.e some OT scriptures talk about deaths of the judges and apostles, thus we can conclude that someone else wrote them). What matters is that they are "Divinely Inspired" which means that it must always adhere to the revelations of the previous scriptures without contradicting one.

>Christianity has been losing to atheism and new age bullshit
lol lmao
You do not see a single one of them in times of turmoil. You will not see them replacing anything