Thread 17971374

Were they real Jews?

What does it mean to be a "real Jew"?
When Christianity was at its genesis, Judaism as a codified religion didn't really exist yet, it was just Judean folk religion, and Christians were just monotheistic scholars using Judean folk religion as their basis for religious reform. Rabbinic Jews were another such form of the same exact movement in Europe between the 1st and 3rd centuries as well as Gnosticism.

>>17971374 (OP)
>Were jewish jews from jewland who practiced the jewish religion real jews?
What the fuck do you think?

>>17971389
Christians on this board seem to think that Jews from time of Jesus weren't Jews we have now.

I love how nu christards always go insane when they find, that not only their god was a jew but the original practitioners were jews speaking in Jewish.

>>17971390
It's not that simple anon. Judaism before the 1st century certainly existed and early Christians would've called themselves followers of Jewish religious customs, but there is a difference between Judaism as a folk religion and Judaism as it emerged around the 1st-3rd centuries, and Chuds love to abuse this ambiguity to claim that modern Jews aren't the same as old Jews or what Christianity was not really Jewish, which is obviously not true. Rabbinic Judaism and Christianity both come from Judean Folk religious tradition. Religious Reformist in the 1st-3rd Centuries just took different approaches when it comes to compiling and codifying the body of oral and written works of ancient Jews into what we now call the Torah or Old Testament. The Christian approach was to Canonize the Old Testament but revise it with a New Testament that attempts to supplement it while Rabbinic Jews attempted to clarify the Torah through debate and open dialogue with the Talmud acting as a sort of legal reference based on the opinions of various rabbis. Gnosticism was another group that was part of the same movement.

>>17971374 (OP)
Is this a troll or something?
Judaism died with the destruction of the Second Temple.
If there's no temple, there cannot be sacrifices
Without sacrifices, there can be no way to "cover" sins

Not to mention, the genealogy of the citizens is inside the temple. Without genealogy, you cannot confirm the messiah, who will be born in Judea from the lineage of David

The temple did not just die.
Not a single prophet was ever sent to try and rebuild what was lost.

Thus, anyone who continues to practice Judaism after the destruction of the temple is just committing heresy

Christians are the True Jews.

>>17971405
>Christians are the true jews.
Why would anyone want to be jews?

>>17971417
You get to be with the coolest guy ever

>>17971405
lol, always the same schizo

>>17971420
>coolest guy ever
a pedophile and child trafficker?

>>17971427
You don't need anything else

>>17971429
Ya dissin Jesus, cuz?

>>17971405
I can't wait to see you cry out in pain as יהוה eternally condemns you to burn in גיהנום for worshiping Rabbi ישוע instead of him alone. לא יהיה לך אלוהים אחרים על פני.

>>17971395
Giving (you) cos it's a good post and I feel bad that a ragebait post after you got more popular

>>17971374 (OP)
Yes, all of them. Christianity is the biggest jewish scam of all time.

>>17971374 (OP)
Yes. And they will be again. That being said, this image has always bugged me since Gamiliel never actually converted to Christianity, merely said “if they’re really blessed by God, we can’t stop them”. “The Way” really was a Jewish Messianic sect at the time, much of the later gentile “flavor” came decades later due to the ministry of Paul (which was actually Saul’s duel Roman name, probably used to help with his preaching to majority gentile “godfearers” who worshiped Yahweh as either an incarnation of Zeus/Jupiter or the one god higher than Jupiter).
>>17971391
I would attribute that to illiteracy in general and biblical illiteracy in particular. The majority of Matthew 1 details how Jesus is the most Jewish of Jews, being from the tribe of Judah and the house of David. Luke 3 says the same thing. The real question is, was Christianity actually a coordinated effort by Jews to weaken and subjugate gentiles, or a movement that caught on with gentiles that just so happened to be started by Jews who were by and large deeply antagonistic towards the mainstream rabbinic tradition?

>>17971420
Convincing goys that some half a fag jewish supremacist rabbi is the ideal role model has to be the most successful mind rape of all time. He even tells you chop your gonads off lol. Cant make this shit up

Christlarpers trying to logiclord their way back into political power and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

>>17971405
So true.

>>17971378
>What does it mean to be a "real Jew"?
Someone that uses the Torah as sacred text and takes part in such tradition as genital mutilation in newborns, like Jesus.

>>17971760
>Christlarpers trying to logiclord their way back into political power and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

>>17971405
>Without sacrifices, there can be no way to "cover" sins

You can, by just fixing your 'sins' through deeds. Abrahamists wouldn't understand though

>>17971783
Name literally 1 (one) 'proof' of the validity of Christianity that isn't just a retarded game of semantics

>>17971790
Oh they get it, if by deeds you mean scapegoating your enemies

>>17971795
The only proof of the existence of God is that without Him you couldn't prove anything.

>>17971801
>that isn't just a retarded game of semantics
Presups should be crucified

>>17971806
I will pray for you.

>>17971801
Care to explain this? What specific mechanism prevents proving from being done without asserting a deity?

Also, I'm pretty sure that Muslims and Africans believe in God, yet their collective knowledge is firmly behind on parts of the world that are explicitly secular. I don't think we should expect that to happen if what you say is accurate

>>17971390
palestinians are the true descendants of the original jews, they were just mass converted, the modern ones are khazars

>>17971812
There is neither such a thing as 'true descendents', nor 'original ethnic group'. Both of these are pretty much always in a state of flux, and so you're talking utter shit

>>17971812
Christian Palestinians are still Arabic people that speak Arabic, so it's not religion that made them Arabs

>>17971810
>Care to explain this?
If there's no God there could be no basis for objective truth or laws of logic, mathematics, nature, and morality.
>What specific mechanism prevents proving from being done without asserting a deity?
It's not necessary for you to acknowledge His existence, it's necessary for Him to exist.
>Also, I'm pretty sure that Muslims and Africans believe in God, yet their collective knowledge is firmly behind on parts of the world that are explicitly secular
Every single thing which is known to be true is known through God, and that which is known without faith is not known. When an unbeliever comes to a true conclusion it does not evince the propriety of his own autonomous reasoning or false religion (within which it would be impossible in principle for him to know anything), it betrays his dependence on the creator he knows in his heart and increases his judgement before Him because he now sins against greater light.

>>17971378
>What does it mean to be a "real Jew"?
A descendant of Judah.

>>17971832
(see Galatians 3)

>>17971828
>If there's no God there could be no basis for objective truth or laws of logic, mathematics, nature, and morality.
>It's not necessary for you to acknowledge His existence, it's necessary for Him to exist.

These are just repititions of your original position, not explanations.

>Every single thing which is known to be true is known through God, and that which is known without faith is not known.

Again, this is an assertion, not a demonstration of the validity of this assertion

>>17971835
>These are just repititions of your original position, not explanations.
No, they are explanations, and they are not identical to the previous statement.
>Again, this is an assertion, not a demonstration of the validity of this assertion
It is a justification of the validity of the assertion in light of an objection.

>>17971812
>the modern ones are khazars
Bs

>>17971838
>they are explanations,

They aren't. They don't explain how or why any of this works, what specific evidence and data this is based on, and why you being wrong about this is unlikely enough to take your idea seriously. You've merely restated your idea using different words, nothing more

>>17971846
OK

>>17971431
I'm just calling him for what he was. A jewish pedophile grifter from a rich family.

>>17971790
Sins mean damage to God's kingdom

You cannot plow through someone's garden and expect to be left off because "I will not do it again"

Payment must be made, and sins can only be repaid in blood

Also,
>by just fixing your 'sins' through deeds.
This is not good (+1) and evil (-1)
Good is what you are meant to do
A servant who will not be praised for doing his job only half the time. It is your shortcomings that is recorded

>>17971947
>>17971405
Why are you using obvious Satanic ritualistic evil "anime" "girl" named Lucy?

Repent or burn in hell, blasphemer.

>>17971983
And videogames are evil too, i presume?

>>17971849
Let’s put this to rest. The discovery by Morton Smith of the Secret Gospel of Mark shows that the “young man in the shroud” was probably Lazarus, who was old enough to have owned a house with his sisters Mary and Martha. The use of white shrouds was also a symbol of ascetic practices by groups like the Essenes and Therapeutae and by early Christians as a baptismal garment. By comparing the death of Jesus with a man in a white shroud (and the story of Lazarus) with a baptismal shroud, the text implies “we were buried with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we too may walk in newness of life” (Romans 6:4).
Willfully reading pedophillia into the text is the sign of your own fetish, methinks.

>>17971849
>pedophile
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>grifter
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>rich family.
?????!

>>17971993
According to Christian doctrine, yes. Repent.

>>17972064
???????!!!!!!

Don't shit yourself. Jesus was from a rich family of Pharisees. He was also a child trafficker and a pedo.

>Every one of Jesus’ apostles besides Peter was underage (neaniskos is the Greek word used)
>When a woman questions why he hangs out with kids he says “don’t scandalize me”
>Tells these boys he will make them “fishers of men”
>Goes into upper rooms and washes their feet while naked
>Tells them to “eat his flesh and drink his haima” (if you think this means “blood” here, see Ezekiel 23:20)
>Is arrested in a public park at 4am with a naked boy (see Mark 14:51-52)
>When the cops show up he says “why do you come for me with swords and clubs like I’m some kind of leistes”
>The word leistes, which gets translated as “thief” is actually “pirate” and was used in contemporary texts (many examples such as Lucian’s Alexander) to refer to sex traffickers
>Sex trafficking was a big problem in the Mediterranean and one of the big things the Romans did was crack down on the pedo pirates. Julius Caesar himself was kidnapped by them as a kid and afterwards had them all crucified
>Jesus Christ was in fact crucified between two other leistes
There's a reason Jesus's "Most Beloved Disciple" is always depicted as a beardless boy whereas the rest of his followers had beards. Dude liked em young.

>>17971374 (OP)
>these are the people that /pol/ worship

>>17972064
Don't waste your time talking to swine.

>>17972168
Cope pedo worshipper

>>17972168
I can't wait to hear your screams. The machines are already done btw

>>17971374 (OP)
>reeeee noooo reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee reeeeeeeeeeeeee they were all aryan and not jewish reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>17972304
This pmo

>>17971378
>Judaism as a codified religion didn't really exist yet, it was just Judean folk religion
sources? I would like to know more about this. When did they start the whacking a chicken to dispel their sins thing?

>>17972357
Dan McClellan (Mormon Biblical Scholar) has a video on this topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM-HosqL5Ok

>>17972304
I fucking hate this video every time I see it
I really hope the kid grew up to murder his whole family

Uh, yes they were buddy

>>17972304
WTF why they did that

>>17971374 (OP)
>Israelites: The ethnic descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (the 12 tribes).
>Jews: In the Second Temple period it became associated with the religious-political identity shaped by Pharisees. Being “Jewish” here was not just ethnicity but adherence to particular sectarian interpretations of the Law.
The Apostles (Peter, James, John, Andrew, etc.) are ethnically Israelites, but not Pharisees. They followed Christ and became the first Christians. The other Galilean disciples (Mary Magdalene, Martha, Lazarus, the Seventy) were Israelites, but not Pharisees, their faith in Christ made them Christians. Paul (after conversion): Was once a Pharisee, but explicitly renounced that identity (Philippians 3:5–8). He became Christian, no longer “a Jew” in the sectarian sense.

As for Gamaliel, he was a Pharisee, not a Christian (at least publicly). He defended the Apostles from execution and may have believed secretly, but historically he is remembered as a Pharisee leader, not as part of the Church; though in the Eastern Orthodox Church, he is a Saint.

>>17972855
>The Apostles (Peter, James, John, Andrew, etc.) are ethnically Israelites, but not Pharisees.
A German from Holstein isn't a German, because he's not from Bavaria.

This is your christcuck "logic"

>>17973510
>Holstein is a religion.

>>17973510
I see it line this:
>Pharisee -> Modern day Jews.
>People of the Land -> Modern day Christians.
>Sadducees -> Extinct.
>Zealots -> Extinct, some convert to Christianity.
>Essences -> Extinct, some convert to Christianity.