If you are a /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, talent debates or howies and instead focus on posted works!

>STICKY:
Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/view
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view

>WHERE to get study materials
annas-archive.org
>>>/ic/artbook
>>>/ic/video

>Want to practice figures?
quickposes.com
sketchdaily.net
characterdesigns.com
lovelifedrawing.com
posemy.art
line-of-action.com

>PYW and give your feedback
What can be improved?
Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?
Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.
Try to reply to someone as you post your own work.

>Cool teachers
Glenn Vilppu
Michael Hampton
Steve Huston
Brent Eviston
Marco Bucci
Andrew Loomis
George Bridgman
Hikaru Hayashi

>Cool books
Keys To Drawing
Drawing With the Right Side of the Brain
How To Draw Comics the Marvel Way
The Art and Science of Drawing
Framed Perspective
Figure Drawing For All It's Worth
The Complete Guide to Drawing From Life
Last: >>7610833

>can see what i want in my head
>go to draw
>comically bad
this is what i get for not drawing for five months when i was making progress i guess...

how does one stop being /beg/

HUMILIATION RITUAL

something i painted for /sex/ recently, might finish it up later

>draw for other people
>when i have a little time i don't have enough energy to draw my own stuff

I almost didn't leave myself with enough room to draw a shitty cat.

>>7613419
what are you using to draw these? nice studies

>>7613422
Morpho simplified forms

Reposting from last thread, blogpost incoming. I have been drawing on and off casually since middle school but I've only recently started looking into working on fundamentals. Just picked up gesture drawing and I think it's been helping a bit but I would appreciate a red lining regarding the proportions. I attempted more exaggerated anatomy but it looks strange. All done from imagination (very clearly).

TLDR please bully me I have a degradation fetish

>>7613424
ooh i meant the pen!

>>7613428
The light marks are with General's Pastel Chalk (sanguine, light blue, and heliotrope). This shit is goated if you like sketching lightly.
The dark marks are sanguine conte crayons.

Managed to complete close to a month of making drawing a habit (at least one hour and trying to keep it fun). I went from almost breaking down after holding a pen, to actually enjoying and looking forward to creating shitty doodles.

Where do I go from here? What resources can I follow to actually learn how to draw and make the silly sketches look better?

>>7613425
>bully
You mog me tho, nice drawing. Don't let that dissuade you from grinding fundies though, there's definitely room for growth.

>>7613427
Nice pride flag motif

Sketch progress, getting some pen lines on it

latest drawing

>>7613439
>You mog me tho, nice drawing
Thanks anon, you flatter me
>Don't let that dissuade you from grinding fundies though, there's definitely room for growth.
Definitely not. Feel like my art is very stiff and bland. If anything, I've been wildly depressed about how much I loath the state of my art. Posting here was honestly my last straw because I want to improve and I don't gain much from dickord hug boxes.

>>7613445
retard

study

Not many people to draw today. I saw a cat in a window at least.
>>7613465
Cute

>strongly considering spending like $200~ on a course from an artist i like
>afraid i'll regret it

>>7613469
thanks, another study

>>7613470
ikr, i've been debating with myself whether or not to purchase Noah Bradley's ARTCAMP™ and it's been total mental torture

>>7613408 (OP)
>didn’t make the sticky
brehs… i’ll never make it… it’s… it’s over……

Okay... It becomes a bit easier if I draw the torso before the head (need to be wary of canvas size though).

>>7613470
pirate, if good buy it then

>>7613445
Right looks cuter thoughever.

>>7613470
say the artist and i'll tell if it's worth

>>7613484
i doubt it's out there anywhere
>>7613493
rodgontheartist

another study

>>7613495
>i doubt it's out there anywhere
then it isn't worth it.

Can I literally just gather a fuck ton of my favorite artist pieces and just try to replicate and study their art to reach a reasonable level quickly?

>>7613499
how do you know?

>>7613495
>another bald guy
why so many bald artists

doodle that might do a full piece about it

>>7613509
i'm balding too

HOW THE FUCK DO I DRAW POKÉMON they’re all so different, I wanna draw so many different ones at once but it confuses the hell outta me, where do I start? General shapes? Outlines?

holy fuck i just got giga filtered killing myself immediately

>>7613408 (OP)

>>7613408 (OP)
>didn’t make the OP
brehs… i’ll never make it… it’s… it’s over……

>>7613500
You'll need some base knowledge to know what you are looking at, at least to speed things up I'd say. But not much, just knowing to think in 3d is and a couple Marco Bucci videos on color. I've thought of the same theory like what stands between me and my art god if i just do like 20 master copies of their stuff and then do my own with heavy referencing and planning. Just haven't actually tried it, classic. Maybe this could be my sign to try it

>>7613408 (OP)
YES FISH GUY GOT IN OP
Hell yeah, hell yeah fish guy

i need to reply to like half a dozen people, but i dont have the strength left to even sit upright for more than a couple minutes
the thought of letting down those anons is painful
im so tired guys

>>7613531
p-peril bro?

more studies/copies

>>7613531
you’ve already helped me out a lot anon, thanks for all you’ve written so far
for what it’s worth, there is a non-zero amount of (positive) obligation pushing me to pick up a pencil every evening and keep practicing simply because I feel as though I’d be letting this anon in particular down if I were to drop drawing after only 3-4 days lol, especially since you’ve written so much for my sake as a newbie that has given zero indication that I’ll be taking this hobby seriously in the short-medium term future
but I definitely don’t expect huge amounts of exposition on pretty nebulous topics like how to stay motivated as someone without as much of a creative bone in my
body, what the best approach is to construction etc, usually I just write things out to help formulate my own thinking when it comes to my practice and I’m happy to be referred to other sources of info that’s helped you, you won’t be letting anyone down
I’m currently filling out my first page of loomisslop as I type this, working on the “funny faces” pages

>>7613536
is that a regular person in this general, or are you asking if i am "in peril"?

if it is the former, no im redblobfag. if it is the latter, also no. i am just living on the edge of a mental break down for two weeks, and it will only get worse until monday :( i dont know how to bear it

GODwell will post again! I can feel it happening!

>>7613509

>>7613540
im a huge fan of yours, redblobfag

pls tell me how you practice rendering at least, is it the same process as the "draw 5x" method? I really liked your trump renderings from the last thread

also, any favorite instructional books on drawing / painting? Anything you found useful

>>7613542
KEK

>>7613540
don't exhaust yourself emotionally if it's hard on u, u deserve a break

>>7613545
how do i draw like you
what are your influences

>>7613546
penises

>>7613542
holy shit

>>7613546
egon schiele, john tenniel, yoji shinkawa, hiroaki samura, gustav klimt, a lot of French and German ink illustrators (think Otto dix types) i can list are my favorites but idk how similar my art is to any of them. it's definitely been a difficult grind, i feel like I'm starting to get closer to escaping beg. a lot of it is a like for more classical illustration but also liking goonshit and wanting to combine the two I guess.
im a big fan of eroticism and ink art about war and surrealism. As for aesthetic eras outside of illustration I like romantic era and art deco.
Thank you.

No matter what I paint I still feel like my work is just amateur. I’ve got this art festival thing I got juried into, but I’m honestly just embarrassed. I think I’m getting better, but the feeling doesn’t really change.

>>7613523
Many art didn't make it, Jeanne D'Aiza neither, or the psychedelic mspaint anon, I'm speechless.

>>7612515
>>7613539
first try at loomisslop, I’m spending about 15-25 mins on each face, is there such a thing as taking “too long” on a piece? or is implementing time constraints or worrying about volume of work produced in a drawing session a beginner’s trap?
also in terms of specific advice or critique, if anyone can recognise why the bottom left face simply looks rotated and how I might instead portray it as being angled/tilted upwards, I’d really like to know
and any tips on hair in general for simple faces like these would be appreciated

>>7613580
fuck phoneposting and fuck phoneposters

The Power

>>7613583
hot clavicles

>>7613583
mogs me.

>>7613583
Very pretty
>>7613582
This one is cute too

>>7613571
I think your rendering is good enough. Where you are lacking is in composition, light and dark (contrast), abstraction, and more importantly, artistic literacy (for example, studying the masters). The lack of contrast, the detailed barn even though the background is blurred, the lack of spatial continuation in the river area, and how claustrophobic the composition feels all make me think this was done naively.

I suggest watching general art lectures and starting to build a library of great masters. Almost all of them are available on Wikimedia Commons.

Arthur Streeton
E. Phillips Fox – Heidelberg
James McNeill Whistler – Southend Pier
Henri Duhem – Mont Riant

you have a lot room to grow its pretty great, good luck

>>7613583
blog?
>>7613511
also this one too, blog?

>>7613511
J-jona? Are you drawing full nsfw now?
>huge puffy nipples
based.

>>7613591
>the detailed barn even though the background is blurred
is there a reason why this is bad?

I am PERMABEG TRASH

>>7613511
very peak

>>7613530
I feel that the scrollwork shaped white background for the lettering makes it very hard to read, its like they are fighting for the spotlight. Maybe it'd work better with a simpler shape for the background/text box.

I'm making a VN about twelve identical sisters, and redrawing some of the older versions (I have 15-20~ sprites for each of them, though these are the default ones). I want advice on the blue one; is it better to keep her looking away from the viewer because it's unique, or make her normally visible like everyone else because it's easier for her to emote?

>>7613545
Wow, you can actually draw something other than dicks and overweight, horned, furry self insert OCs. Reminds me a bit of Yoshitaka Amano art, good job.

>>7613608
LOLLL yeah i can draw other things i just don't unless I'm feeling more confident in my art, thank you
amano is really cool

>>7613600
for me it looks muddy and noisy, do you really need the small edges on the small shack on the left side of the barn? it would look more readable as color shapes, let the viewer fill the gaps, james mcneil whistler is really good at that look how he doesn't spell everything out and yet is clear what the intention is.

>>7613591
You’re right, but I hate spending time studying instead of painting, lol.

>>7613600
Distant things should fade in saturation and clarity as the effects of the atmosphere are more pronounced. That’s easiest to see during rainy days

>>7613415
>alla prima
this is the holy grail for me. i wanted to do alla prima painting, but kept pushing it down the road in favor of drawing... hoping one day i will be good enough to tackle painting. in the meantime, i keep falling back to glazing painting, which is in my opinion the polar opposite and less glamorous. the universe taunts me by giving me one desire but another inclination lel
nice painting anon!

>>7613413
alright ive had enough of your shit. you are no longer allowed to do these "im a /beg/" posts! you must call yourself AT LEAST /int/ if you insist on continuing >:(
seriously though, i hope you are just joking around... it would be a shame if you actually thought so poorly about your own art. look at it this way: nobody here could add or remove something to make your drawings better. which means in your style and niche and subjects, you are the most skilled artist here!

>>7613425
once again, into my inspiration folder it goes~
im sorry anon, i cant help you =( the things i would "fix" in your drawing are all without exception mundane anatomy adjustments... completely unnecessary for appeal and (at least for me) even opposed to appeal. i think whatever path you are on that lead you to draw this, is a better path than i am walking... even if i might have a handful of memorized anatomical landmarks and measurements more than you. so i guess my advice becomes "whatever you are doing works, do more of that and sacrifice time / effort / whatever necessary" <3

>>7613465
>able to draw men AND girls that look attractive in their own respective ways
this should literally not be possible according to my understanding of how the world works~

>>7613470
>>7613475
set yourself a challenge: if you manage to draw 2 pics every day, for 100 days, you have proven your dedication and "win" the permission to spend $200 on an art course

>>7613483
it is strange how censorship makes makes 2d more sexy, but ruins 3d...
she is cute anon

>>7613619
You need to get out of /beg/ threads for a while, if he looks /int/ to you. He surely knows a lot and has skill, but beyond the smoke and mirrors it's firmly mid-high /beg/ low effort output.

>>7613618
yeah your work looks cramped, time to start observing masters art.

render that was ruined by my gel pen smudging
>>7613619
Thank you for the praise and positive comments. The beg thing is serious, I know I have eye, but I get called beg often enough I know it'll be a while before I'm out of the ringer. It's kind of you to say all those things, though. Thanks for being so positive. It means a lot.
>>7613583
Soul
>>7613571
I really like it, it's very storybook. Have you tried doing some more creative or fantastical paintings of unreal landscapes at all? I'd be curious to see.

How to make it out of permabegness?

>>7613621
what does "smoke and mirrors" mean

>>7613621
yah, i can't draw a car or something like that to save my life lol. id prob say im high beg on a good day

>>7613619
>>this is the holy grail for me. i wanted to do alla prima painting, but kept pushing it down the road in favor of drawing... hoping one day i will be good enough to tackle painting. in the meantime, i keep falling back to glazing painting, which is in my opinion the polar opposite and less glamorous. the universe taunts me by giving me one desire but another inclination lel
>nice painting anon!
thanks anon, but you know nothing's stopping you, right? You can just open up photoshop and start right now

also like. i can't do construction. like at all. it is completely beyond me lol i try and it always looks like shit, trying to do it feels like actual torture and idk how to get past that. like doing it sucks all of the fun out of drawing no matter what i do desu, which basically means im stuck technically deficient. for these drawings i don't sketch, they're just contoured in ink because sketching breaks the flow. idk how people line a sketch or anything like that.
ive got eye and soul, but none of the technical backup lol. it sucks, i wish i was good at learning
anki deck repetition is helping slightly alongside upside down drawing exercises, so at least there's that

>>7613500
literally yes. but be careful, you will want to understand and replicate the way that artist thinks and works and makes decisions... copying the images themselves can serve you as CLUES and INSIGHT into the artists mind at best, or become your beg trap of mindlessly copying pixels at worst!

>>7613511
thank god other anons gave you (You)s already... i did not want you to be ignored... but i also hate people who are better than me so now there is no pressure for me to say something nice :^)

>>7613553
>yoji shinkawa
wow i just realized. i would have never made the connection myself, but now that you said it, it is actually easy to see. there is a bit of yoji shinkawa DNA in your art
i think he is one of the best artists of all time, and i got into art because as a kid i spend hours just staring at the illustrations in a MGS game manual because my tiny brain could not comprehend how blotches of black pigment could connect with me like that. i can fucking SMELL its glossy pages right now lmao

>>7613539
>>7613545
thank you. your kindness means very much to me ;_;

>>7613580
>>7613581
you can definitely spend too long on a piece! for finished pieces, it is called "polishing a turd". for practice pieces there is not an equivalent phrase afaik, but the same applies. diminishing returns and all of that.

>s implementing time constraints or worrying about volume of work produced in a drawing session a beginner’s trap?
in my opinion:
*worrying* about volume of produced work is definitely detrimental
however using time constraints and generally leaning towards quantity over quality (*leaning towards*... not going to the extreme) is beneficial
i do practice sketches exclusively on a timer (1-2-3-4-3-2-1 minutes, in that order, of the same subject, switching between using the reference and hiding the reference)

[cont]

>>7612574
Thanks for your redraw. I feel very depressed now.
>>7612553
>>7612560
NO
>>7612561
thanks I guess.
>>7611062
I tried it but she seemed a bit too fat and she is canonically athletic. Had to tone it down but as you can see I fucked it up.
>>7611224
Thanks for pointing it out and making me be more aware of the actual body in 3d space instead of just throwing random shit lines at the canvas. Forgive me for wasting your advice
>>7612385
Saved. Godtier reference there.

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

i really wish there was some kind of game for learning construction. like a thing where you have a picture and you have to construct a pose like that picture by angling cubes/cylinders and you're scored by how close you are to the proper construction. that would be epic
also holy shit i drew a lot today, like 25+ illustrations/studies idk what i was on. some i can't post because commission related but jfc

>>7613619
>so i guess my advice becomes "whatever you are doing works, do more of that and sacrifice time / effort / whatever necessary" <3
Wow, I seriously cannot thank you enough for such kind, heartfelt words. You are legitimately the beacon of light in the dark, murky sewage of /ic/. I will keep drawing, you seriously inspire me! I've never smiled so much while using 4chin, thanks again :)

>>7613634
Given unlimited time, which would happen sooner permabegschizo reaching /int or the heat death of the universe?

>>7613628
In this case wobbly-lines "style"

Anyone with sculpting experience? I want to make anime figs with zbrush.

>>7613646
it's very pretty

>>7613645
I cant even reach /beg/ so take a fucking guess.

>>7613580
>>7613581

you are genuinely making faster progress than any beg i have seen here, or perhaps you are starting at a high beg level... makes me rethink my stance on "talent is not real" lmao
loomis fun with a pencil is *mostly* a meme. it is recommended to absolute beginners that resist understanding how one "feels the form" and therefore need a step by step retard-proof demonstration of how one draws (for example heads and facial features) while *not* treating them as 2d shapes to be copied but as 3d forms that are projected on the flat canvas
from a glance at your faces, i would say skip the rest of the book lmao
this would be a reckless piece of advice... and since you said you like the act of learning and practicing, you probably should ignore me on this one =D
you are doing well anon!

>>7613582
hot
>>7613583
cute


>>7613543
i never really practiced "painting" as rigidly and structured-ly in the past as i do drawing now. although when i paint (in that style at least) there are some commonalities:
it is done in one "sitting", less than 20minutes
i obviously dont use color (makes the whole thing exponentially more complicated)
i use only a single brush to keep it simple (i also used multiple, dedicated textured brushes in the past when i was painting more than drawing) (obviously size and pressure vary from brush stroke to brush stroke)
i try to "plan" one brush stroke ahead (difficult to explain, just brush stroke economy)

and this is as much as i can tell you lol. the rest is all intuition because i used to do these kinds of quick portraits *a lot* as warmups, not even saving the canvas after each

there is one exercise that stands out in how useful it was for me and how long i kept it up because of that
>take ref
>copy it in x brush strokes (lets say x=30)
>now copy it in x-5
>now in x-10
>all the way down
[cont]

>>7613646
my lines ain't even that wobbly lately, they've been gettin a bit better

Mucho texto

>>7613540
left arm is double the size it should be. do you look at your drawings when you make them?

>>7613655
crabs running amuck tonight huh

>>7613650
>"talent is not real"
Are you fucking retarded? All this time in /ic/ and yet havent seen others just having it easier than others?
You are a very living example of it.

>>7613656
He disrespected pawell

>>7613543
[cont]
this will *force* you to group visual elements to be done with a single brush stroke, ignore unimportant details, plan your brush strokes so that even the "edges" of your brush stroke contribute to depicting some part of the subject, etc

i read only a few books on art, none of them stand out in how impactful they were... i absorbed their "vibe" moreso than any single lesson...
i cannot think of a single actual concrete thing i learned from these two books, yet i think they are the best books on art i have read
"alla prima" by richard shmid
"the art spirit" by robert henry

thank you <3 you should give it a try too! trumps face is fun to paint. even if you fuck up, it looks hilarious lmao

>>7613543

>>7613540
>>7613650
>"draw 5x" method?
QRD?

I know people here hate on AI, but you should all give chatgpt another try for crits if you're ever in a pinch for one. It's gotten a lot better at taking into account your stylistic goals and gives crits based off of that rather than cookie cutter crits that skew towards realism. I'm honestly impressed. I can see a future where there is an AI based art teaching tool that can help you with your studies in real time.

>>7613656
CANT TAKE THE DISH, GET OUT OF THE OVEN.

>>7613658
it's not just him

>>7613659
Whats your opinion on Robertson?
Do you know tealfag?
Do you consider your perspective solid, how did you learn, and how do you implement it in the average drawing?
Do you use tools like 3d models?
>>7613662
lmao it is fucking worthless for actual legit advice. It will give you bullshit akin to a card reading.
Can it redline perspective issues?
Correct anatomy mistakes?
Help you break down a complex figure into basic shapes?
Come the fuck on.
Post proof or piss off.

>>7613662
If you ask it to give score to your drawing. Does it even give score that reflects reality or is it just gaslighting you.

why has no one made art learning games specifically i would learn so much easier if it was made into a game. i need someone to build a rewards and punishments system for me with score based structure based on how much practice im doing and accuracy so i can simulate a game

This is my stinkwife, Stage 1. (Light stink)
Would you like to help create Stage 2(Moderate stink)?

CAPTCHA:ST0PA

>>7613668
It is nothing more than bullshit akin to a tarot reading.
I tried to feed the twitter ai one of my posts and it was too fucking vague and esoteric to be worth shit as anything but gaslighting and (((emotional support))) for the most braindead normalcattle.
It is depressing how many people are falling for the character larp sites and other shit and treating it as their own personal friend.

>>7611937 Page 25 done. Sorry for squeezing a whole bunch of panels like that, but I really want to finish this thing as soon as possible. Three or four more pages should suffice.

>>7613413
These are really cool, reminds me of Masamune Shirow when he was cool lol. The cat girls from Dominion Tank Police,
>>7613496
This one is excellent, cool creature sketch.
>>7613445
You're fucking amazing, master of cuties.
>>7613454
Your stuff comes with default SOVL. That pic reminds me of the end of Severian's story when he walks through the sunken old world.
>>7613511
HOT AS FUCK..s-s-saved..
>>7613536
I'm not that anon
>>7613637
These studies are so cool, you could frame stuff like that.
>>7613540
What a beautiful little piece of art
>>7613530
This is cool and interesting. It looks vintage, like some 70's british illustration. The digital coloring "gradient/strokes" kinda wash away that vintage effect. I wonder if flat colors on his suit and hair would look better for that coloring style.

>>7613670
go for it

Redblob trying to get back good graces after pawellbashing...

>>7613676
at least his advice is helpful

The reason tumblr has an artstyle is so left leaning women who take antipsychotic medication can identify eachother in the wild. By tumblrmaxxing, I will camoflauge myself like a zebra. Once they allow me in their circles, ill be smashing bpd box. name one flaw in my plan. you cant.

>>7613653
>>7613648
It's not that wobbly lines are strictly bad, but you hide lack of fundies with them. As you said yourself you cannot construct. You draw appealing facial features and good enough hands on a line cloud that the observer fills in the lack of information with his brain.

The picture you posted shows what it looks like behind said smoke-and-mirrors and this is not the work if an /int/.

I think you are right about being high /beg/ and you have talent and potential, but a high /beg/ would usually be able to construct very well.

>>7613671
I asked it to rate all parts of my art on the scale of beg, int and pro. It called it int on almost all categories. I knew then and there it was all bullshit

>>7613680
practice on the local one

>>7613668
>>7613665
It DOES glaze the fuck out of you, but it also gives some valid crits. Of course it can't replace a teacher (yet), but it's gotten better at taking context and style into account and that's what's impressed me.

>>7613681
yeaaah im riding a lot on talent and eye, I think it's easy to get to a stage where you have appealing work without knowing construction if you have "eye" and having eye just isn't common
the beg int scale often doesn't account for situations like mine where yeah, i get 180usd commissions and stuff like that but still lack a degree of basic fundamentals because i was never taught/never learned, because eye and appeal overtakes in some capacities to the viewer
>>7613674
very pleased with the branding scene, great work peril! poor girl. thank you!

>>7613679
name one instance where he's given actual practical advice that was not a platitude

>>7613686
this is the painting i asked it to crit. I think it could have been a lot more critical of the structure of the face. At the time I painted this I didn't notice it, but looking at it now, the structure and forms are wonky.

man i need to do another portrait painting now that i have a better grasp of 3d, these kinda go hard
>>7613689
gorgeous colors though

90% of modern japanese artists are beg without 3D assets. So why do you feel the need to do it raw? I mean good enough for a chong, good enough for you right?

>>7613690
Thanks, I haven't been on this board in a minute, but I'm glad to see you're still chugging along. I like your sketch, very impressionistic and ethereal, like you're looking at a memory of somebody

>>7613692
an aversion to anything that could possibly help me, ever
>>7613694
I'll keep chuggin, still on the sketch grind until I get better at it before I go back to painting and color work. Thank you.
..certainly missing painting looking at these, though...

>>7613695
I've also been working on my draftsmanship, this painting is from a while back, it's tough to work weaker skills but it pays off, they all overlap and strengthen each other. Best of luck!

>>7613580
>>7613581
expanded roster of fat ugly bastards courtesy of loomis, I think I’m just going to skip ahead to the parts of the book where he teaches how to draw anything other than old frumpy ballfaces
>>7613633
1-4 minute sketches sounds fucking INSANE to me, I seriously don’t think I could produce anything in that length of time, are these exercises you started doing only once you got a good grasp of the fundamentals?
>>7613650
>you are genuinely making faster progress than any beg i have seen here, or perhaps you are starting at a high beg level...
any improvement I might make over the first couple of weeks of drawing will just be a matter of “saddling back onto the horse” I think, I did some studies and still lifes that I was happy with when I was younger but I never really succeeded with imaginative work, that’s where my /beg/ qualities will truly have a chance to shine through
give me a 5-minute prompt on anything and I’ll do away with my pride and demonstrate how inept and absent of any ability to think abstractly I really am, I promise I’m far less able (and certainly less “talented”) than you seem to think… I’ve read the critiques of this pawell fag on his blog and I believe there’s a good chance I’ll end up saying the same things about myself once I broach into more complicated and technical matters that can actually be critiqued like figure studies, perspective, anatomy, values/light dynamics etc
I mean for stuff like >>7613637 I currently have absolutely no conception of how someone’s mind is able to even view references like this, or trust their hands to make the right movements to depict the features/form abstractly, I’m pretty fucking stupid and have a challenging time applying what I learn so don’t place too much faith in me lol

What can i do to quickly improve my process?

>>7613698
actually study instead of staying permabeg

>>7613631
>thanks anon, but you know nothing's stopping you, right? You can just open up photoshop and start right now
>you know nothing's stopping you
>his drawing tablet did not come with the alla prima goblin ready to chop of his drawing hand the second he adjusts his brush to 100% opacity

my brain literally starts to hurt when i force myself to use opaque brush strokes. and i am only half joking lel. i have a slight twinge of autism that enjoys the feeling of "smoothing things over" and "slowly nudging towards goal" and "gradually adjusting". when i paint alla prima i constantly slip back into this mindset and have to actively pull myself out of it. its actually funny lmao
on the plus side, glazing painting is comes natural to me and is therefore very relaxing =)

>>7613632
>idk how people line a sketch or anything like that
i feel 100% the same
the few (limited) successes i had with doing clean line work over a sketch are all torture the whole time i am inking, and between them lie dozens of abominations where the line work ruined the sketch
if you ever find out what the deal with that is, let me know lol

>anki deck repetition is helping slightly
i dont know when and where, but i heard of the idea to do anki practice for art... how exactly do you structure it? i mean, what counts as "done correctly"? from what i know about anki, it requires a pretty black-and-white judgement of whether one "answered" a card correctly or not. how do you judge that when the "answer" is a drawing?

>>7613640
>Wow, I seriously cannot thank you enough for such kind, heartfelt words. You are legitimately the beacon of light in the dark, murky sewage of /ic/. I will keep drawing, you seriously inspire me! I've never smiled so much while using 4chin, thanks again :)
i was obviously joking you suck permabeg kys fag reported+hidden gtfo off my board
( <3 )

>>7613699
how do you study properly

>>7613697
you're doing great, those sketches are just based around gesture. once you get to gesture, you'll understand. thank you. you're doing amazing so far.
>>7613700
Rn I'm using anatomy based anki decks, based on proko. They're a bit excessive, but worth it for the prompting to have to visualize things. I also use it for terminology and reminders, like to remember the location of the Terminator line etc. I haven't made my own deck yet.
Idek, I hope line work gets easier someday lol

>>7613701
refer to the OP

>>7613662
LLMs don't know anything, it's all just word salad tricks.

>>7613655
>left arm is double the size it should be
i know and i agree
>do you look at your drawings when you make them?
this was one of those sketches i did trying to be free and expressive and hopefully not kill the soul / appeal by cleaning it up. so i *literally* did not take even a moment to stop and look at the whole drawing to judge it lmao

(as for why i did not correct it: i dont know why i started doing this, but i never "fix" anything about a drawing retroactively with the only exception having been commissions)

i have many such drawings that have a single, fundamental, embarrasing error :^)

>>7613660
read the bottom part of >>7613633
that is the current "state" of my quick repeated sketching exercise
in the past it was me just copying a ref 4 or 5 times in a row, hence a lot of my practice pages showed the same reference in batches of 5 sketches side by side

>>7613665
>Whats your opinion on Robertson?
if that is the guy with the book on drawing that focuses heavily on perspective and has a strikingly nice looking front cover...
idk lol
i think i read a bit, noticed that it leaned heavily into perspective and rigid construction, decided it does not fit me, and dropped it. i do however think it is good. i assume anybody who works through it will benefit from it. i have never benefited all that much from art books. i think reading them is almost always beneficial, but i enjoyed coming up with my "own" exercises so much that i never really bothered following books after i graduated out of utter beg-dom
(my first book, drawing on the right side of the brain, was the only book i actually worked through and learned a lot, even if that book is objectively low-mid tier lmao)

>Do you know tealfag?
fuck something deep in my brain is tingling at the mention of that name. i dont know / remember. who is it? perhaps i should know him from the past years in this thread?

[cont]

couldn't help but notice there's no thread challenge

>>7613665
>>7613710
[cont]
>Do you consider your perspective solid
no not at all. i dont have "difficulties" with perspective... but that stems from me defaulting to very boring poses lmao that do not require conscious decisions on perspective

>how did you learn,
i never did :^)
perspective (at least the superficial theory of x-number-point-perspective) always seemed so obvious and easy for me that i never bothered with it. also i want to add, even if i think calling the perspective that artists use "math" is utter retardation in my opinion, i do have a strong background in mathematics from childhood... so the fact that i never had to "learn" perspective is i assume just me getting lucky

>how do you implement it in the average drawing
like i said, i default to very simple and boring poses so i never really have to "implement" it. i do however wish i would catch myself more often during the beginning of sketches and remind myself to make more interesting poses / camera angles. and i wish i would practice more of a type of perspective figure drawing that i associate with japanese artists (just because i saw it initially in some japanese tutorial)
drawing a box in very heavy, distorted, fish-eye perspective, and then fitting a human figure inside
not the western text book construction of a standing human in a 3-point-perspective box with measurements of how many heads each body part encompasses...
but something more intuitive, expressive, difficult to put into words =(

in short, i dont think strict perspective is necessary for figure drawing, but i want to practice it nevertheless because i want to use extreme perspective angles and poses and foreshortening in an intuitive way

>>7613674
thank you =)

>>7613676
what do you mean "trying"? i already succeeded. they all worship me! i copy and paste chatgpt slop and they eat that shit up AHAHAHA.... *loud screeching audio feedback* ... wait... what the FUCK IS THAT MIC ON? NOOOO *audio cuts out*

>>7613695
cute slightly retarded imouto

>>7613697
>1-4 minute sketches sounds fucking INSANE to me, I seriously don’t think I could produce anything in that length of time, are these exercises you started doing only once you got a good grasp of the fundamentals?
dont be too intimidated. first of all, that exercise causes one to draw faster, second, i dont draw a full figure in that time - only part of the body, third, the goal is not to produce a clean finished drawing but rather be *forced* into evaluating the reference and make decisions on what is important/unimportant, fourth, since you draw the *same* reference over and over, you actually *do* get a lot done by the later time-intervals just from getting used to that specific pose / body part

think of it like trying to deadlift a multiple-ton-weighing-truck. you will never actually succeed in lifting it, but getting into position, grabbing its bumper and then flexing your muscles in a way that *would* result in lifting the car --- that is what is "training" your muscles. sure the sketches themselves sometimes turn out pretty, but it is quite literally about the journey

>give me a 5-minute prompt on anything and I’ll do away with my pride and demonstrate how inept and absent of any ability to think abstractly I really am, I promise I’m far less able (and certainly less “talented”) than you seem to think…
5 hour homework assignment you say?
okay, find 3 fotos that you like each of
>whales (a single whale in a nice flowy pose, a shark is acceptable too, fish only if its body is large and floppy enough to have an intersting "bend" in them)
>flowers (large, close-up-ish shot of one-or-two flower "heads"... not a whole fucking bouquet of flowers)
>bird (look up "secretary bird" and when you stopped masturbating to those beautiful milf creaturs, find nice sexy close ups of their faces with their "fuck me right now" eyes)
[cont]

>>7613697
>>7613720
[cont]
and draw them from reference, while trying to apply the same type of "construction" / "mindset" that you used on the loomis head. when you have done all 3 fotos of one subject, try drawing one from imagination.
feel free to not spend a lot of time on each drawing, i dont want you to feel obligated to nuke your free time because of my suggestion lol
actually you might even try and set yourself a time limit if you want to dip your toes into that. like 10 minutes each or whatever feels comfortable for you. you should not worry about "finishing" each pic

>>7613703
>Rn I'm using anatomy based anki decks, based on proko.
neat, ill look into that =)

damn this pic is taking a while to paint

>>7613720
>third, the goal is not to produce a clean finished drawing but rather be *forced* into evaluating the reference and make decisions on what is important/unimportant
the exercise makes much more sense when you frame it like that, thanks for the suggestion
>>7613721
actually you might even try and set yourself a time limit if you want to dip your toes into that. like 10 minutes each or whatever feels comfortable for you.
I’ll try out the exercises with a full time commitment tomorrow, my hand fucking hurts right now (and yet I didn’t manage to draw anything worth posting for the past two hours)
nice butts btw, impressive how you manage to imbue them with slappable qualities in such little time

>>7613408 (OP)
I swear the thread pic changes between "you want to make it in the pic" to "examples of begginer shit"

>cant render leather for shit
>insists on drawing leather jackets
why am i like this
>>7613762
lookin good tho. how many hours are you in?
>>7613782
better than yesterday, good job fixing the pose. if youre gonna keep him shirtless tho you should draw the armpits and more muscle definition

>>7613789
Looks good so far :) looks like it could be one of those "fun pages" mangaka draw before the chapter starts.

>>7613650
>>7613659
thank you so much king, for all the help and effort you always generously give us

>>7613791
thanks!
i usually dont spend this long on a drawing if im making manga but you're right, i could use it as a fun page for a story. dare i say... a yaoi story

>want to redline a few prebegs
>thread has quickly devolved into a bunch of /ints/ jerking each other off with effortless yet high quality doodles
it seems this thread no longer has a place for me...

Studying clothes.

>>7613797
You weren't looking hard enough then. The hair overlaps where it shouldnt here (I dunno why, i earased it where I needed to but when I applied a multiply layer they showed up again)

>>7613404
Thanks a bunch! Gonna try that approach tonight

>>7613797
study so you can redline begs instead of prebegs, then you'll find your place again.

something seems off but i cant see what exactly also not sure if the color of the skirt matches the outfit

>>7613804
you're all prebegs to me

>>7613712
Maybe the real thread challenge was the friends we made along the way

>>7613807
Heads too big, nose too small, right shoulder is longer than the left, eyes aren’t looking the same way and left is lower than right, lips are too blended and look unnatural, biceps are too thin
Other than that I think it’s good, I make those same mistakes constantly and have to get my friends to point them out

>>7613813
>pyw
but you were just complaining about /int/s circle jerking... unless you were baiting me... its not nice to bait people anon!!!

Doodling at work

>>7613807
she's missing her belly button

>>7613799
>>7613782
tried again on the hand but its fucked
hope the rest helps

>>7613797
Pyw faggot

>>7613818
Show it to your boss

>>7613798
Your lines are great, I really like the shapes in this one. Nicely done.

>>7613467
saw this now, it's convergent evolution. i wish he would upload his decks online, i found him after

oh man understanding how hands work when you have freak double jointed hands is wild

>>7613827
Thanks.

>>7613821
Thanks for the crit :) I used this as ref, he has alot of hair so I imagine its heavy and his bangs don't get blows straight up, either way it looks fine I think

>>7613408 (OP)
based the soul op images came back

>>7613408 (OP)
Might have overdone it with the shading a bit

Do share thoughts

>>7613831
unless you're drawing a skeleton or a hyper-detailed figure, you don't really need to know how radius and ulna twist

>>7613838
My man calls himself Victoria

>>7613826
I did and he draws too

>>7613831
i have hard time with this too, if i ref my own hands it looks weird cuz my wrists and fingers are super flexible

>>7613834
sure no worries its all just suggestions

I cannot draw consistently for shit, I have like a 1 in 20 chance of sketching out something that looks semi appealing to me even if I’m just drawing the same thing over and over. Any tips for getting around this or do I just need to grind more?

>>7613849
Grind your luck stat.

>>7613840
the goal is to understand drawing hyper detailed figures, yes
>>7613844
yeah it comes out so bad

saw an anon say that they figured out construction by tracing over figures, guess I'll try that

Brain not starting up. Can't draw. Had sleep, food, caffeine. Fucker still isn't working.

>>7613862
attempt #1

>>7613866
tracing shit with your finger on your phone isnt going to help you as much as you think it is

>>7613867
should i just print it out and try to deconstruct it from there? im just trying to do what anon said lol

>>7613869
you use draw with your finger? if not this isnt gonna help you at all
anon was probably pointing towards the fact that it can help with muscle memory and if you trace shit with your finger and then draw with a pencil that is not going to happen

Another little drawing

>>7613872
no, anon said that he used tracing over figures to figure out construction by drawing construction over the figure, I'm just using my phone because it's what I have access to rn

I was going to try gesture drawing but got bored really fast, but then I found a bird timed gesture video and that's actually interesting.

>>7613876
You are not understanding
if you use your FINGER to trace, then usually draw on PAPER with a PENCIL or on the COMPUTER with a STYLUS, tracing with your FINGER isn't going to do much, you will not gain any muscle memory.
Also you fucked up the construction on what it is youve posted, probably because youre drawing with your fucking finger and have zero accuracy because your finger is probably fat and covered in cheeto grease, so i would recommend you not to do this and just do it like a normal person on the computer or at least on a tablet with a stylus if you dont draw on the computer

>>7613878
Link please?

>>7613789
idk i lost count at this point

>>7613884
Oh ok I'll do it on a tablet
I don't need the muscle memory I can draw fine I just suck at construction lol

>>7613891
if you can draw you wouldnt need construction its a crutch for begs to learn how the body works
so i highly doubt it

>>7613885
https://youtu.be/zrs4ZYZXkD8?si=Du-JfocHukGVNSPb

>>7613887
ah your drawing program doesn't have an option that shows how many hours you've worked on a file? mine does its pretty handy

>>7613892
i got called beg for not knowing construction earlier this thread so apparently I do need to know it?

>>7613849
Just grinding isn't enough, you need to be more mindful and analytical.
Pay attention to what goes right and what goes wrong. Remember what goes right and so you can do it again in similar situations. And avoid making the same mistake twice when things go wrong. You actually learn the most from the bad drawings. You can use the frustrating feeling as fuel to study something properly. When you can stuck on something, you can extract information better from books and video courses too because you're looking for specific solutions. Viewing the sketches as experiments, to see what works and what doesn't can help too. Naturally things go wrong when you are testing things, but it's still valid data to learn from.
For example, you might tend to make the legs too short, so intentionally make them long next time. A lot of the time, legs will look better when they are longer proportionally anyway. Find ways to experiment faster. Like, if you are having problems the distance between the eyes, put the eyes on separate layers and move them around until they look right.
Over time it will improve from a 1 in 20 to a 1 in 19 chance, then a 1 in 18 chance, etc. Even pros that have been drawing for decades still have duds. Look at your older stuff too, hopefully there's improvement so you can see that you are on the right track. Plus you'll notice a lot of things that are off that you couldn't see before, a good sign your observational skills improved too.

>>7613896
youre get called a beg in this thread either way
if you can draw well without it, why learn it?
at least pyw so i can see what you call drawing well without construction

>>7613900
it's not drawing well, it's drawing fine
different
it's like, I can already draw, I just suck lol (as in I can put lines to paper so I don't need the muscle memory to draw)
I've posted in this thread already
im in construction deficient permabeg territory due to lack of construction and fundies

>>7613869
If you’re going to use a phone honestly just get a cheapo pen stylus, far from great but it at least gives you some degree of precision (not that my construction is much more accurate but you get the idea)

>>7613903
OOOH I see
I have an iPad just not with me right now so I'll use that

>>7613901
what? youre not making any sense.
show me a sketch or finished work and not whatever this is >>7613866

>>7613905
I'm the guy who draws in pen without a sketch
>>7613545
>>7613413
>>7613496

>>7613901
Construction by itself is overrated. If you can't accurately rotate lines on a sphere then it actually makes you worse and you're better off copying photos or, god forbid, drawing a person IRL.

>>7613906
lol
why are you wasting time on construction

>>7613906
>Drawing in pen without a sketch
I'm also doing that rn. Try going back to pencil. It's hax.

>>7613908
then why do people keep telling me I'll be permabeg forever if I don't learn construction REEEEEE I cannot comprehend

>>7613909
WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO BE LEARNING IF NOT CONSTRUCTION
people keep telling me I won't ever stop being permabeg if I don't learn construction
what should I be doing

>>7613913
Whatever you should be doing, you're doing it already. Just enjoy it.

>>7613911
Because you should be able to rotate lines on a sphere.
If you want to draw people better, ignore construction and copy subjects.
If you want to not be /beg/, learn to draw lines on a rotating sphere accurately.
These are separate things. DaVinci literally gives you instructions on how to use glass to trace your image. That overrated nigger was as /beg/as anyone.

>>7613913
you can already draw characters just fine bro start coloring and putting your characters in scenes

>>7613919
I color sometimes
Its hard to tell because I get such conflicting messages about my skill level with no consistency so I can never understand what criticism to take
>>7613918
I can rotate lines on a sphere and draw boxes it's breaking down figures into boxes that I struggle with mostly

Doing some pose training.
Is this anatomy acceptable?

>>7613922
no

>>7613921
Try this guy
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3MxkMIAeuf36McqpjrpzvttMkaYFAIP_&si=6330dUAIXg3wFUt8

>>7613926
THANK YOU I will

>>7613887
me on the right

>>7613913
kino noonie

>>7613807
Looks rather male, stomach line is weird, upper body too big. Other than that it's good

>>7613922
yes

>>7613483
I'm more or less figuring it out how to fit the parts together. I will try some more poses with upper body first and go to lower body later.

ok so what I'm getting from this is you draw the sphere and angle before the box
>>7613928
you too man!

Almost done

>>7613922
maybe

why would you use such shitty examples in a video thumbnail wtf

>>7613940
His anatomy is actually really good. If you want to draw apealing stuff look somewhere else.

>>7613941
its the neck head thing on the left figure I'm struggling to understand

>>7613940
you should enter his art school which is better than most universities out there btw

Hey

yo whats up

>>7613943
does he just use unappealing examples in his thumbnails for some reason?

>>7613954
i don't think he cares anymore

>>7613940
>11 min video
you can't actually teach something in 11 minutes, that's why i hate this guy, his videos are baits to his course

>>7613942
It's stylized a bit. He play with proportions. Anatomy wise looks flawless to me.

how do people make impeccable lineart using a tablet? i can't use my shoulder, there is no fricction

>>7613782
Maybe something like this? My only real crit would be that the hand on the sword (and the sword) should be larger.
The foreshortened hand, that's a whole another project on itself. With the right ref should be easy to get right.

>>7613959
neck shoulders seem really off

>>7613413
we have to sacrifice our firstborn to lucifer to escape

>>7613540
hope you feel better soon

>>7613545
whos the big horned guy?

>>7613695
i like the sad little face

>>7613434
i thought it was ink at first


sorry for double posting :x

>>7613938
No body giving (you)'s to actual good drawings here
keep it up anon

>>7613962
>boner shadow
Absolutely based beyond belief

>>7613980
My pen just slipped a li'l bit there.. tee-hee

>>7613984
Haha... sure it did..
By the way, how did you learn to draw?

You're comfortable drawing folds in skin, right anon?

You're comfortable drawing men, right anon?

Study

>>7613938

>>7613988
not really, i'm terrible at it. can't even draw decent abs which is the whole reason I got into this.

>>7613443
is it inspired by risk of rain?
>>7613445
da truth!

>>7613445
>females
okay incel.

>>7613607
Personally I like her being turned away, it's unique. It will make sprites where she is facing the viewer stick out and look interesting.

>>7613922
shoulders aren't rigid masses and they overlap with the traps, the delts can easily touch your chin and cheeks at least.

>>7613989
yeah people often say i tend to enjoy drawing men more than women, although i draw women more often.

I feel like I'm not improving and will never improve
What's the cure for that?

>>7613988
>>7613987
I commented about it before a couple of times. Going back and forward, quitting and re-starting many times. You start drawing Naruto, then you start copying photos till you become proko, then you do a Kangaroo fuck up, and you quit and someday you start again, till you somehow get comfortable with just doing fun stuff just for the sake of it.
I think the worst beg trap is the "rendering syndrome", to get obsessed with "finishing" a turd, or not even a turd, but to sink too much time and energy in "final renderings" when you should be doing a million drawings, non-stop just for fun. That guilt free option leads to a better outcome, you will be engaged for a longer time in drawing random bullshit that in getting bogged down on one pic for months and months, wich it doesn't even look that good at the end.
Other problem I see, is that people can't find a reason to draw, "a career" it's not a reason, you need to have a need for doing it. If you can't find that it is hard to get the drive to grind for years and years till you get somewhere. You can draw for ten years and still be beg, even if you're some talented rat.
Anyways I did a hottie in peril for you on picrel

>>7614020
Sleep

>>7614021
Noted. guess ill need to up my output
thanks for the qt!

>>7614020
pyw

>someone declared themselves to be a big fan of mine

>>7614043
imposter syndrome hitting hard and deep rn

>>7614043
pyw

i tell artists who have shown improvement that im a big fan of theirs so in a couple years when theyre actually good i will be able to swoop in and say "member me" for that sweet 30% off comm discount :)

>>7613408 (OP)
>finally decide to want to start drawing today after previously not having sizeable regular chunks of free time to do so
>
>2:05 PM
>No drawing or reading accomplished, only listening to black metal and using Discord/Twitter
Guys how do you actually get motivation for this shit? I also write fanfics and often use most of my free time just on the Internet rather than actually doing anything, at most I complete a paragraph or two. Also would you recommend Fun With A Pencil to someone who considers themselves a fast learner?
Pic related is just a concept I made in paint.net a few months ago for as to how I could stylize eyes. This was before I learned that I was putting the cart before the horse and realized that I should work on fundamentals before trying to develop my "artstyle".

>>7614021
>Other problem I see, is that people can't find a reason to draw, "a career" it's not a reason, you need to have a need for doing it.
At the current moment, my reason to draw is to postpone my job, and for avoiding my brain to melt. Is this reason good enough?

>>7614054
i won't give you a discount nigga ;3

>>7614068
but i was here before u were famous bro? im an og cmon

SO ARE SHADOWS FUCKING MORE SATURATED OR LESS SATURATED THAN THE BASE COLOR???
Chatgpt is telling me they're less saturated but when I try to shade skin with a less saturated tone shit just looks gray

>>7614070
post what ur asking it to crit

>>7613971
>>7613975
What is this furry grinch-like character supposed to be?

>>7614020
perspective

Don't get lost in the sauce. It's a mental battle.

>>7614070
it depends but in most cases is less saturated
i usually work with saturated skin colors so if my base is 90% i'd put the shadow 40-50%, this considering white void, the environment also influences it

>>7614074
sun wukong,

>>7613979
He got his you's on the previous WIP of the same drawing he posted recently. I'm sure he will get you's once it is finished

>>7614061
>avoiding my brain to melt
That's a real reason right there. If drawing can work as a natural boost (of any sort) for you, then you just found the ultimate reason to do art, wich is to keep your mind healthy and uplifted.
Cool pic btw, love the 90's vibe

cute girl from a show i dont even watch

>>7613988
>>7613989
no

>>7614073
>>7614081
Picrel is the issue I'm having. The 1st ball is the base color I'm trying to shade, 2nd is with higher saturation, 3rd is with lower saturation. The 2nd one looks better to me and it's the way I feel like most digital artists do it.

>>7614098
I don't know why chatgpt would tell you to desaturate skin tones. did you show it this picture specifically? the only reason you'd desaturate for this specific flesh color is to employ some color theory and create cooler tones but in most cases the way you're shading the skin is perfectly fine and flexible.

tried out a new shading style and i would love some criticism,, oc in the right is from another anon

>>7613988

>>7614098
2nd is right though i'd make the shadow a little darker
3rd saturation is too low

>>7613988
>>7614113

>>7614095
proportions etc

>>7614098
Shadows are just a darkened version of the local color color accompanied by a change in temperature (Mostly occurs during light fall off.) Shadows are the absence of light, which is color. Without the presence of reflected or fill light, shadows are black. Local color doesn't really exist as it's entirely around the context of how strong the light is, but a good estimate of an objects local color is in the halftones. Halftones also tend to be the most colorful as they are not too dark or under the influence of as much light. As for these spheres you have here, you can play around with the colors a lot since they are so desaturated. Shading is the modelling of the form and is not as concerned with color so much as it is value. Your values are so light that the range you have to work with for halftones is very limited. Pumping up the shadows is a way to give you more options in the lights, which means more colors are available there! Notice how pic related doesn't feel very 3d, but it's full of color in spite of the low saturation? It's all about striking a balance and making it work for what you have in mind for the piece your working on.

>>7614070
Shadows are less saturated due to the fact that the color darkens, thus diminishing chroma.

Anyway, color has a lot of leeway when it comes to things looking good. All you've done here is make the shadows very light for both and maybe have a bit too much grey in the 3rd. So long as your values are good and you play around with the colors, you should be fine.

>>7613979
aww thanks

>>7613990
Bring it on mustache sensei

>>7614144
Dios mio

>>7614144
ZAMN BRUCE TIMM IS THAT YOU

I feel I should start practicing more dynamic poses.

>>7613958
why would you need longer?

I'm gonna have to draw a bunch of hands until I get it.

>>7614058
>>7613650

>>7613958
a video telling you to just draw would be 0.5 seconds

>>7613989

>>7614179
>>7614192
hello marc how's the art school going? i guess not that good since you need shilling here ;)

>>7613681
I tried using more construction for something

>>7613997
Ah, I get it, you're right, thanks.
Dunno why I get "blind" to this stuff when drawing.

>>7613408 (OP)
Well guys I tried drawing on my laptop screen and it feels horrible. No matter what way I make my arm rest I can't draw nearly as well as I can on paper (and I'm not even good on paper). As much as I hate to fucking admit it, I think I just cannot do this (digitally) right now and am just going to have to wait and save up for a proper drawing tablet. I'm going to try drawing digitally for a few more days just to see if something clicks, but I don't think it will.
>t. FWAP tier artist

>>7614263
im pretty sure the common wisdom consensus is that you should get good at drawing on paper before moving onto digital media anyway

>>7613988
not feeling it

Smug boi

A bit of incomprehensible crap, either figures or gestures, I don't know, everything comes out shitty, meaningless for me and others, since it doesn't bring any benefit. I saw how others above praised the newbie for the heads of Loomis, for the first attempt, really another proof of meaninglessness
https://files.catbox.moe/a2szbw.jpg

>>7614276
New schizokino just dropped

Another drawing

I've heard water is involved in showers and sobriety, I have now three reasons to hate it

what kind of brush should i be using in krita?
i cant draw things in one stroke i have to erase and shape things from a blob

>>7613697
>>7613720
>>7613721
handing in my homework
>8:30 min whale sketch was meant to be 7 min but I cheated
>I forgot the lashes on the 7 min bird and I feel terrible for it
>still detail-oriented, I think I need to learn about negative space before I can intuitively block things out
>my time management sucks
I'm happy with how they turned out but the biggest thing I noticed in each of the studies is that I really can't convey long, straight, or geometric organic shapes, like the fins of the whale, or the box-like outline of some petals on the flower, or the longest feathers on the bird, I feel as though the actual strokes I was doing with my pencil for each of these shapes was completely wrong. I don't know if it's possible to simply not know a particular kind of stroke, but if so then I'm definitely missing one
I'll do no reference sketches for the two more complicated photos once I go through more loomis, there's no way I'll be able to do either of them off the dome as it stands

>>7614288
I would fight, bleed and die for Israel if it meant protecting her smile

>>7614293
You have to try them. There's no other way to find the right tool for you.

another drawing

>>7614263
>>7614267
The thing is that while I'm not good I'm at least consistent on paper, but digitally I look like I have Parkinson's.
>>7614293
Seconding this.

>>7614309
I can't draw even remotely well but on digital I just flat out cannot draw anything that isn't just a line. At least I could kind of make eyebrows and a nose here.

>>7614098
It’s important to keep in mind that colors aren’t isolated, their surroundings affect how we perceive them. In the case of skin, it’s usually surrounded by fabric, sky, and grass, all of which influence its color through reflective light and overall color perception.
A general rule of thumb is that skin tends to be low in saturation and light in value when hit directly by light. It becomes more reddish when backlit (blood and skin is translucent). Fabric, on the other hand, tends to be higher in saturation and mid in value. This contrast helps clearly distinguish skin from drapery.
Here’s an example from some time ago, a great work by an anon who was struggling with this. Many of these questions can be answered by studying the masters.

>>7614135
that little green and fuchsia on the shade are so nice anon

>>7614201
great anon! I think hinting the sternomastoid will give a 3d feel to the neck.

>Dunno why I get "blind" to this stuff when drawing.
whats funny to me is that we often forget that we have a life model 24/7 available that we can touch and move as we desire.

>>7614200
looks p good, despite one broken arm. Possibly your best work in a while. I can tell you put in extra effort and it pays off.

>>7613934
I started drawing again recently cuz I wanted to be able to draw cute girls like Komugi-chan :D

>>7614318
drawing in pen sucks bad sometimes because something breaks and you just have to live with it. I kinda miss messy graphite like this

>>7613597
I dont post this level of coom stuff (yet)
https://x.com/nemojona

>>7613599
> Are you drawing full nsfw now?
little by little, I draw nsfw all the time but I rarely post it, I dont find it that fullfilling

>>7613603
thx /trad/ chad

>>7614347
You're welcome! I have you added actually

>>7614312
hello fellow beg, the nose is good, when I'm doing these heads I start by hardly pressing the pencil at all, to lay the features I find it easier to use curved lines to treat the circle as more of a sphere, look at the spheres in this image and think about which points along the equator would seem like sensible centres for the face (i.e where you'd place the nose, I've highlighted a few in red), assuming the poles are either ears or the top/bottom of the head (it's also helpful to have a horizontal line going across)
then after sketching vague lines over where facial features like eyes/nose/mouth might go, very lightly sketch random shapes for the cheeks/jaw/mouth/brow to sculpt the ball into something slightly more interesting and head-shaped, then you can start defining solid lines around the shapes you've sculpted to make them look like they're moulded into the original shape instead of just being 2d shapes imposed on a circle, right now I stick to the extremities of the shapes like the tops of the cheeks and where facial features and skull shapes meet since I don't really know how to do fancy detailing
try putting the cheeks slightly higher, think about where the cheekbones are on your own face, they're just below the eye, with the position you've chosen you'd have to have some kind of intermediate shape between the cheeks and the eyes so that they're not just hovering on a flat plane

in the end these faces are supposed to be really crude, sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't, I've just drawn a few that look like complete shit because either the shapes I picked didn't make sense or I don't know how to draw in the perspective I chose, but it's all iterative and experimental at this stage so it's not worth quitting over

>>7613887
>

for fun

>>7614387
kek wtf
If you're going to do something dirty like this, why take images from the internet where everyone can see them instead of generating your own

>>7614387
feels bad knowing he's that way

>>7614387
what's wrong

comfort doodle

>>7613975
ooh I missed this question! The big horned guy is referenced from a statue
>>7614394
cool
>>7614294
also cool

>bad artist has 40k followers because le girl uwu
i hate this

>>7614294
come get your ugly bastards hot off the press from the /beg/ loomisslop factory

>>7614410
this is the last time I’m ever phoneposting

>>7614411
>>7614410
mogs me

>>7614408
brave of u to post a self portrait sweetums. but wheres the glasses?

I don't plan to use morpho for faces so I'm trying to learn Chommang's technique for the time being. Also tried a study of an asian girl using Chommang's technique

Made a couple adjustments. How does it look? I'm open to critique.

>>7614422
Boobs too small!

>>7614424
I don't wear glasses and I have short hair (I am a man.)

>>7614426
She's nice and hot. I wonder about her hair though, maybe you could make it to look like some gooey/jelly dripping texture.

Going to color this in tomorrow and then probably redo it in another style.

>>7614181
same

>>7614426
You wouldn't be seeing a thigh gap with her hips like that. It helps to draw the parts of the body through each other to keep track of how they fit.

>>7614426
There are fundamental problems with the figure's pose and anatomy. Did you draw a mermaid a while back? It had the same issues. There's nothing wrong with being ambitious, but you should also be trying to improve while you're at it.

>>7614426
thumbnail is Rogue, close up is rule 63 Gex

I'm disappointed.

>>7614435
Fuck thats good. Have you posted before?

>>7614431
Good idea, will see what I can do about that.

>>7614435
>>7614437
I see, guess it's back to doing anatomy studies, thank you for your observations! and yes I drew a mermaid a while back hehe.

>>7614438
Sorry, I'll try to make Rogue next.

>>7614387
Retard, I don't do that anymore. I thought I already apologized about those. Come on and try to find the artwork I used for my image. Go on, I'll wait.

>>7614444
You do AI color picking and told other artists to use AI when giving them advice saying it was more accurate than imagination from what I've heard.

>>7614447
I don't do that retard. I've never said that advice.

>>7614439
I lurk more than I post. Mostly dish out redlines and other painting advice where I can. I don't get recognized since I don't stick to any style.

>>7614438
lmao

>>7614448
you sure?

Rawdogged this trash attempt at chibi from imagination.
Why does it look ugly and incorrect?

>>7614456
Yes. I always tell people to study from photographs instead of artworks. Unless they're masters then you don't gain as much as you think. I used to copy poses from other artworks but now I've studying them and using photos instead for pose ref. Pretty much every example you posted I've deleted and apologized for, and one of them isn't even a copy. The girl climbing the stairs is a redraw of my OWN old artwork from ages ago so you clearly are just going off of what one schizo is lying about me.

>>7614458
Eyes and nose placed too high, cheek placement needs to be adjusted in relation to that change. Your eye shape is fine. Necks a bit too straight. Remember that the jaw doesn't attach at the back of the sphere but at the middle of the side plane or slightly back. Gave her a bit more cranium since she was lacking. You had the right idea, just misplaced the eyes really.

>>7614461
why did you ever use AI in the first place lol

>>7614387
>mfw I realize the anon I looked up to was a fraud all along
kinda sad, honestly

>>7614458
this will never be not funny

>>7614465
I had few commissions from a guy where the reference they gave me was AI and I took it not knowing it was ripped from somewhere else. I've learned my lesson, even if people pay for it I'm not willing to tolerate it any stage of the process. Again I've made videos about my process and have PSDs where I make poses from scratch . If I really was the man he claims me to be posting more frequently and not bothering to learn how to draw or paint or engage in discussion. Seems more likely that he's looking for an easy excuse.

>>7614468
It makes you laugh to see anons with clear mental health issues struggle you evil fucking nigger kike? Do you also laugh at cancer victims and orphans you piece of shit?
Fuck you and fuck everything you cherish.

>>7614465
I had few commissions from a guy where the reference they gave me was AI and I took it not knowing it was ripped from somewhere else. That is something I regret doing and should have never accepted. I've learned my lesson, even if people pay for it I'm not willing to tolerate it any stage of the process. Again I've made videos about my process and have PSDs where I make poses from scratch . If I really was the man he claims me, then I would be posting more frequently every day posting slop and not bothering to take long breaks from posting to learn how to draw and paint or engage in discussion. Seems more likely that he's looking for an easy excuse to shit on someone

>>7614474
Idk dude there's a lot of people who shit on you, it's not one guy

>>7613807
The shoulders are angled but it's having little effect on the rest of her body. If you try tilting your shoulders yourslf you can feel how your body balances itself automatically. Don't forget collarbones and shoulders can move independently of each other. Her shirt is also cut weirdly which is making the distortion worse.

Besides that, I like her skirt and think she's really cute.

>>7614387
>puts the rising sun flag behind a character that's chinese
you can't get any whiter than this subu lmfao

I like it. There's a few minor mistakes, but I'm also not a prodigal mangaka, so I'll take what I can get. I really like Kentaro Miura's style though, it's a nice balance of realism and that classic 90s manga/anime style.

>>7614478
Yeah a few friends told me about that shit, I thought it looked cool but it ended up being a Japanese imperial thing lmao. The official artwork looked cool so I wanted to match the style but in a Japanese rockabilly punk setting because I'm a dumbass American who likes motorcycle gangs

>>7614411
last of the funny faces, now it’s time for serious business (business which involves learning how to draw ears and eyes)
I’m going to need another sketchbook as well because the paper of the one I’m using now is unbearably thin

it begins

>>7614491

>>7614493
Is that bogdanoff?

>>7614494
pogdanoff

>>7614493
we do some gestruction

>>7614491
Oh yeah, wreck that sheet

>>7614458

>>7614468
You are quite quick to shit on him without posting your work.

>>7614508
i'm not shitting on him, i just think he's funny, the face, the filename and "lol lmao" always gets me

>>7614422

>>7614513
those highlights look retarded, wish people would stop doing those

>>7614294
>>7614490
>too much time for the flowers
>add random shadows that make details even more ambiguous
>too little time for the bird
>forget everything and have no time for the feathers yet again
unmitigated disaster but it's what I get for waiting hours after I did the first referenced sketches

>>7613408 (OP)
I feel like this could actually be kinda nice if I could figure out the background. Problem is I have zero clue what I'm doing. Anyone have any tips?

>>7613413
you clearly aren't /beg/. You have a solid grasp of form and anatomy. Your proportions are on point and you seem to easily rotate forms in your head.
/beg/ stands for beginner and you're way better than that.
Now that I have your attention, can you please stop reposting your older artworks all the damn time? It's an unwritten rule to not post your art more than once (twice is also fine). We don't want to drown out new people who want their works seen. Thank you.

dumb doodle from today from stream i was watching
really annoying trying to draw on this new sketchbook on the backside of the pages since the coil binding pokes out and i'm right-handed

>>7614576
can't reason with an attention junkie

>>7614576
cant blame him, there are a handful of people that keep telling him hes beg

Could you recommend any actually good videos on painting skin? I can't pretend shit like this looks good. It looks like a corpse with heavy make up. But every youtube video insists I should paint jaw blue and forehead yellow. Like what the fuck? People don't have blue fucking chins you tumblr rejects

>>7614507
Next OP

>>7613445
Do you keep getting worse or are you a copycat of the other bug-eye anon?

it's done. total time: 13 hours
time to work on simpler stuff now

Instagram showed me picrel today.
This will be you if you don't take practice seriously

moar fish

>>7614610
the principals behind that color variation are true and frequently taught in portraiture. they're exaggerated so that beginners (you) can see clearly see hue variation in the different areas of the face. If it was too subtle it'd be pointless for beginners that don't have trained eyes.

>>7614610
>>7614651
https://alvalyn.com/using-color-zones-portraits/
Here is a small excerpt showing how color zones are more subtly used in portraiture

>>7614647
Grim

>>7614608
People need to venture out of /beg/ in a while to see what /int/ really looks like.
He isn't bad, he's just not /int/.

>>7614649

I don't understand square-based pyramids.
Should the part highlighted in blue on the bottom pyramid really be visible from the front?

>>7614670
This isn't a side view, you're looking at the pyramid slightly from above so yes, this is what it should look like.

>>7614576
ye i can stop thanks for asking nicely it's an OCD thing

aight not gonna art tag because I've realized it's definitely a compulsive reassurance seeking behavior but if anyone has a written or text form of peter hans exercises because i can't fucking watch video courses that aren't cut into bite size pieces let me know thanks

>>7614699
Peter Han has written notes too. Someone in /dsg/ probably has them.

>>7614722
cool, I'll go ask. I'd like to make an anki prompt deck for it

Guys I think I fucked up. I thought hardcore studying only would get me to where I want to be but I think I should have been slightly more flexible with my drawing than just grinding loomis heads and figures strictly from reference. I feel like I can't actually DO anything except copy from something else. It's very frustrating because I've been practicing a lot to be this incapable. Tomorrow I think I'm going to incorporate more life drawing of objects and creating simple little cartoon scenes instead of pure grinding. idk.

>>7613988
attempt. I made the hair shorter to draw more of her back

>>7614737
Dedicate like 50%+ of your time to drawing what you actually want to draw. Doesn't have to be brainless doodling, look up refs and basically do mini studies as you go. You'll be learning exactly the skills that you really need for what you want to draw and also outputting stuff, which should be the endgoal btw, hear me, studytroons?

>>7614729
I don't know how an anki deck could help with Han's course. For memorizing anatomy I get it, but DS is very light on theory.

>>7614743
The thing about this advice is what I wanted to draw was so beyond me it seemed like studying made more sense. If you want to draw a complex sketch of a knight fighting a giant monster is it really worth shitting out some prebeg bullshit you hate? But now I think maybe it was. Or at least, whatever I'm doing wasn't the right answer. It feels like I just got better at doing studies.

>>7614748
i use them to remind me to practice it's less flash carding and more prompts i just really like anki
i use it for prompting and memory repetition for lots of fandom stuff

>>7613989
Maybe, maybe not

ahh landscapes, my worst enemy

>>7614408
thats very cool :3

>>7614425
based kot
>>7614426
make the eyes somewhat smaller
>>7614668
i will marry your fishy

>>7613989
No

>>7614784
I like that background, it has a nice hazy winter storm look. I think some more white in the bg and a bit of haze over the far pile of snow or mountain would help sell the effect even more.

>>7614576
i personally think this /beg/ rating is useless, you can be beg in some things and int in others

>>7613988
i fucked up so now she's a pixie missing a wing

>>7614817
yeah, the ability to create something beautiful isn't really determined by technical skill so the point of those ratings ends up kind of moot and inconsistent

>>7614825
>>7614817
"Beg-Int" encompasses the whole artistic range that this board can offer. You won't find "pro's" here, saving some rare exception. Deeranon is not different from many others. The only difference is that he will reach advanced level faster than the others. And he will go away just like Moai anon, Pawell, TableGuy, etc.

>>7614834
Deeranon will never reach /adv/ level, because he made no progress in the past half year. He's happy with what he currently creates and mocks the fact that some anons consider him /beg/.

>>7614838
>>7614834
women usually don't strive for progress the same way

>>7614838
I've actually been studying a lot lol, I'm just retarded so it doesn't show much. I'm not happy with what I make at all, nor do I mock people who call me beg or anything like that, that's just dishonest

>>7614816
thanks :D

so kinda like this?
i made the snow in the front whiter and his little hat

trying to make an onc for scat art, thoughts?

>>7614934
>scat art
Perish for using your talents like this

>>7614935
ok but it wont be really scat because i think poop is gross shes supposed to be "queen of ice cream" or something like that and she shits out ice cream

>>7614933
Yeah I think that looks a lot better

>>7614934
I approve of this. Go on please.
>Ice cream
That's hot, but how will she deal with the freezing issue inside her warm ass? Maybe you should use some other sweet, like Chocolate Mousse.

Tfw so retarded you can study for hours everyday and never get better
>>7614934
Your art is really cute

>>7614940
idk shes obviously a fantasy magical person she doesnt have to worry about temperature
The reason i went with ice cream is because it fits her cold demeanor.. there could certainly be better materials out there though it would probably have to alter her design..

>>7614934
>>7614936
That is called soft scat and it is scat but not really scat.
A very popular subsection of it is personality_excretion where the anime girl shits out a bright colored tube that is supposed to be her intelligence or soul or whatever and what remains is a docile and barely conscious living doll.
Perfect for when you want anime girl to experience painful intestinal stimulation without it being literal shit.
Very kino I have to add.

https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=13546271

>>7614738
Mogs me.

the joke is sex.

probably my favorite oc drawing in a while..
only posting new work from now on unless it's an end of thread thing

>>7614962
i dont like it be cause i like the domination aspect of NOTscat

I'm starting to feel like I might be a permabeg
I go in and out of drawing but this time I'll have look at keys to drawing again

i think i just need to honestly grind more and copy other people's works for the time being

>>7614964
meaning — it's a little better than permabeg level

>>7614970
is she the dominant one or you?

>>7614970
okay poopslut

>>7614934
>>7614936
>>7614962
>>>/trash/

>>7614939
hells yeah

>>7614961
Oh I see, she's the ice character, I can see it in her design. Disregard my comment, keep her like that she's perfect. Also serving up cold shit from her ass is a hot idea.

>>7614980
The woman, im a femdomfag

>>7614647
brutal suicidefuel

>>7614647
Left looks like a trace. 3 years for the right pic is still pretty shit though.

>>7614968
I love your sketching style, I wonder how will a complete piece looks like

>>7614647
How do you go from beg to prebeg

>>7615013
I'd like to try. People say I haven't improved, but I have improved at sketching.. I just haven't finished anything besides commission work in a while because I've been trying to do comms... Thank you. This is awful but I found some colored pencils so I'm just rendering over one of my doodles to try them out

How am I doing so far chat?

>>7613988
idk

any video to how to properly do gesture drawing that you guys recommend? Like what to focus on and some examples you can follow? I have no idea what im doing

>>7614647
This makes zero sense, just blatant shitposting from the original poster or did he swap the images by accident?

loomis is god

this humidity is killing me
I still draw but jesus CHRIST its not going fast

>>7615073
they found their le style

breaking down some stuff into shapes to practice construction

>>7615057
these were 1 min is it over

>>7615075
stroking my gock to midna

>>7615086
>these were 1 min
it's only just beginning anon you're gmi

>constantly told my drawings are too loose
>every udemy course, every boomer, every irl art person tells me to be loose as possible
sigh

>>7615093
pyw

Where is everybody?

>>7615105
drawing

>>7615105
lurking

>>7615107
There is only so much I can suspend my disbelief

>>7615103
my draw along sketches from this course

>>7615112
>loose

>>7615113
im trying to be less loose

I'm a bit stumped, idk how to colour this
>>7614738
I love this

>>7615115
complete the lines

>>7615124
would doing that help my normal drawings also? >>7614968

>>7615126
i dunno, you need to test it, your drawings look like gestures, normally people would draw complete lines above that, but i don't know if it will help

>>7615135
yeah i don't know how to get past gestures/contours and start completing my drawings without painting them, it sucks. Guess I'll try

>>7614491
Made for SOVL

>>7614500
those are quite good, dont listen to people who tell you you are beg, why do you "need" construction since the purpose of construction is to draw consistent subjects in different poses and from different angle which you already can do, soul, etc etc all the usual praise

but holy fucking shit those hips in the bottom right made my dick twitch the moment my eyes moved towards it

is "gestruction" from some specific art teacher or book? if so, please tell me, i want whatever it is that makes those hips possible to permeate every brain cell of mine

>>7614493
babe wake up! new basedface just dropped

Okay i kind of gave up of doing finished works everyday. it seems like my brain has a problem and cannot form good habits. i will still try to draw everyday but it will probably be sketches that i can't post here since they would be completely useless and i would just fill the board with my useless filth

>>7614968
>>7615112
there is such a huge disconnect between your apparent skill depending on what medium you draw in... this does not seem to be
>skill issue

it appears to be mindset + tools
im not even sure myself what i mean by that...

you know that einstein(?) quote of judging a fish by its ability to climb trees, and coming to the conclusion that the fish must be a retard

you are doing the same thing to yourself

have you tried setting up a nicely toned and textured background for your digital drawing? i personally think almost nobody should draw with a white background... and you of all people might benefit most from setting up your digital drawing to be comfy and have some warmth reminiscent of traditional drawing

have you tried changing your brush to be a bit grainy and texture-y? just a little bit so when you do those very faint lines they can loock warm and intentional, instead of sterile and anemic

it seems like you have some goal for your art in mind, but it does not line up with your strengths... is there a chance you just adopted some ephemeral goal that artists around you seem to have, and started evaluating yourself based on that?...

whatever qualities there are that made you choose that goal, think about them. there must be a way to achieve what you "truly" want (sorry that sounds gay) in your art, that aligns with your actual, considerable, art skill

i know we talked about commissions and making stuff look high value as part of your motivation... but making stuff look high value does not necessary mean a single rigid style and workflow...

there must be a way to nurture your "natural" type drawing into fitting your goal, as opposed to leveling up your "forced" digital drawing from level 0

hang in there <3

made for gock

Ran out of time.
Enjoyed experimenting with how the visor screen would work. Could have worked an hour on that thing alone, but time, time, time, time, TIME.

>>7615112
Draw digitally with some chunky fun square brush instead. These tapering shit brushes suck ass.

>>7615176
And yes, perspective fucked all over the place. I really need to think perspective. Naked-girl-in-void can be winged, not so much hard surface designs.

>>7615170
oooh thanks for the long analysis, it's helpful. the style i use for commission work is very different and is painted. i don't sketch digitally for the most part because it sucks, just paint mostly because drawing digitally is hell, unironically. i just do those digital scribbles for a udemy art course I'm doing lol, they're like 2 minute shape stuff.
not posting my old work anymore and won't post the current commission on behalf of the commissioner and also it's in shitty shape rn unless you have somewhere private I can send it, but yeah.
i have a different style i use for digital stuff because i can't sketch digitally to save my life lol

>>7615177
yeah i was emulating a tutorial
i think i just hate digital sketching desu digital painting is fun but sketching is so much less comfortable than trad

at first I was happy as I felt like it was all coming together
and now I feel like I've wasted my time

>>7613989
>>7614738
what a hunk

Tips for face/hand/anything? I worked so long on it and it still looks bad

>>7613989
Never skip seahorse day

>>7615170
ok so
with what you said
would a canvas texture help too?

>>7615185
>not posting my old work anymore
even though that anon made a good point about not drowning out others and especially begs with too much art posting... if he said that to me i would flood the thread with smug trump portraits just as a "fuck you" for telling me what to do :^)

>unless you have somewhere private I can send it
sorry, i am not on any other platform (actively). i have extreme anxiety about people's expectations and posting (semi) anonymously on here is as much as i can handle. and sometimes not even that much because my red sketching makes mo so recognizable lel

>i have a different style i use for digital stuff because i can't sketch digitally to save my life lol
i tried traditional (for the first time in years) little doodles of faces a couple months ago, and it improved my digital drawing of faces significantly...
also i used to think that there is no real difference between screenless drawing tablets and drawing displays, until i found a deal on a used drawing display and was amazed at how much better i could control my brush digitally when drawing on a display
i am saying that there has to be a connections between digital and traditional that should allow you to transfer your strengths into digital drawing... at least i want to believe that

you posted some drawings with some shading done with a marker that looked very nice. that is another clue that you can push your traditional drawing further towards more details and more polish without losing the appeal. it is like you are fighting a war on two fronts, if only you could join the two armies lmao

>>7615216
>would a canvas texture help too?
wait what? what do you mean would it help "too"? i literally MEANT apply a texture to your (digital) canvas lel
yeah, bring your digital setup closer to a traditional look and feel. it will not magically change the resistance between your plastic pen tip and drawing tablet to become indistinguishable from traditional drawing... but at least it cant hurt to emulate traditional textures and brushes
maybe we are misunderstanding each other?

>>7615200
i mean, there are no "tips" to understanding anatomy and form etc
you have to understand them, study them, learn to construct them in different poses and angles...

>I worked so long on it and it still looks bad
working longer on a pic will only bring the picture (asymptotically) closer to your actual, fundamental, understanding of the subject / skill level

you work longer on a pic if you want to guarantee it looks as good as you can make it (for example when you are paid to draw a picture)

to lift that upper limit of how good your pictures can look - you dont work longer, you do multiple practice drawings focusing on understanding rather than polishing

>>7615217
more appealing breasts than i have ever drawn. into the inspiration folder it goes~

>>7615224
>than i have ever drawn
Now I'm genuinely curious to see how you do breasts

>>7615217
how is it so crude yet appealing

>>7615227
Gesundheit explains it fairly well.

why does the way the foot connects to the shin look weird

>>7615220
It's not so much a "fuck you" to him as it is a "fuck you" to everyone else in the thread.

>>7615224
omg I'm sorry I'm drunk and I misunderstood you I was asking if a like.
Textured base for drawing digital would help
https://files.catbox.moe/vipvz4.jpg I did this painting emulating your red blob thing and then painted it a bit ago I can't remember if you saw???

wait for me loomis sensei, im coming

>>7614294
>>7614566
if i were to try and comment and explain what i want to explain i would be writing so god damn much... i swear one of these days you fuckers will finally bring me to start recording and explaining shit live as i draw >:(
i dont want that
i am lazy!

the flowers being the most difficult, complex ref and therefore most suited for just copying 2d shapes, you executed well enough. and the drawings themselves look pleasant too

the whales are pretty accurate and it looks like you tried thinking in large simple forms while drawing, but it feels to me like you are too much focused on making things accurate to allow the maximum amount of brain power to be dedicated to "feeling the form"

the secretary bird is all over the place. one of the shorter, incomplete, drawings looks very pretty, the longer drawings that are closer to being "finished" look stiff, sometimes it appear you see the underlying, large, simple forms but you "fall back" on being too literal with your drawing

this all sounds a bit harsher than i want you to take away lel
talking with the assumption you want to become better at drawing from imagination... you jump too quickly to the end of the drawing. you are putting down one or two approximations for the forms like stepping stones, and then running towards the end (=final, decisive lines) like the floor is made of lava. when you draw from imagination, you have no knowledge of where the final lines will go. you build up to the final lines, step by step. making corrections along the way

this is all very vague ramblings... sorry lel

the 3min bird is very appealing
the 4min bird shows (or at least looks like it) good understanding of the form
(i too find that the shortest and longest sketches pale in comparison to the middle sketches!)

>>7615193
proportions anon,
>now I feel like I've wasted my time
no anon thats how practice goes , a good sign of proficiency in any discipline is knowing how fix up stuff, merge all lineart layers, reduce opacity to 15% and draw over it. start with the arms use yourself as model to gauge proportions.

keep posting.

>>7615252
>>7614294
>>7614566
[cont]

it looks like you spend quite a bit of time (relatively speaking, since these are on a timer) and effort on shading, i think you can get away with just a bit of hatching to indicate "hey, this area is supposed to be dark!" instead of actually shading it to an accurate level of darkness

you could even just draw a line that separates bright and dark areas (and lit and shadow areas) without even shading them in!

during the early stages of a sketch, try and draw "cross contour lines" (at least i think that is the correct term). basically, imagine putting a rubber band around your arm or leg. now imagine your arm or leg is transparent... the way that rubber band appears as an oval squished in some direction based on which angle you are looking at your arm... that is a cross contour line. since you are doing exercises you can put down helpful markers like this and leave them in the drawing even though they are a byproduct of your drawing process and not really "there" on the reference. they are helpful to convey the form and angle of body parts with just a quick line. and the whole point of drawing like this is to put something on the paper that will help you place the subsequent elements with more accuracy / exaggeration / appeal / etc. so cross contour lines have a high benefit/cost ratio!

also, dont be afraid to press lightly with your pen, for longer into your drawing process - and use the flat side of your pencil (i assume) to draw broader and less concrete lines at the beginning of your sketch. if you draw too "strictly" from the start, you subconsciously box yourself in and make it less likely to make corrections and exaggerations... (although careful, if you go too far you end up like me who cannot draw decisive lines anymore at all :^) )

when drawing the loomis heads, remember how you placed spheres for individual parts and then "stretched" the skin over them... when applicable, try to replicate that

>>7615239
yeah i remember! we talked about how painting on top of a sketch like this is difficult compared to the "normal" way where one paints or cel shades underneath clean line work... and how using layer modes pushes towards certain colors that look nice while very different and especially saturated colors start to degrade the initial appeal of the sketch~

i hope its fun drinking and not pain drinking lel

>>7615262
angry imouto <3
lonely imouto ;_;

>>7615298
yeah its just hard liquor so i can't parse words right to give you a proper response I'm sorry lol
I think part of why I repost so much is my memory is shit and I literally forget what I've posted too
I think a big issue i have with digital is iPad + csp brush engine and also being addicted to microns
Idk why but ipad kinda sucks to draw on I've met a few other people who agree and tell me to get a real tablet but I can't afford one lol

>>7614464
>>7614458
>>7614507
Suicideinducingmog.

>>7614507

Some people watching shit last night. Still trying to cop Chommang's face style today. Trying to figure out where to make simplifications to the facial features is hard.

>>7615321
Here's the ref I used.

I'm not in the mood to draw but no excuses, I just need a doodle to start.

>>7615084
really nice work anon

>>7615086
good work anon, keep going

>>7614102
it looks done, I would leave it there, no further comments good job

>>7614166
there is a trend with people with this style and the avoidance of posing the legs, at least try a contrapposto

>>7615321
elongate the head more, don't be afraid of the forehead, be more careful with the zygomatic bone this helps to define side plane of the head better.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>7614294
>>7614566
>>7615252
>>7615291


>>7615302
>yeah its just hard liquor so i can't parse words right to give you a proper response I'm sorry lol
dont feel bad! its okay

>I think a big issue i have with digital is iPad + csp brush engine and also being addicted to microns
what are microns? or do you mean "macros" as in slightly more complicated custom shortcuts?

i neved touched an apple product in my life lel. i dont have an foundation aside from feeling superior to people who give apple money, but thats what you get for using an ipad! >:)
seriously though, i imagine all "proper" tablets will be less suited for digital drawing because they are underpowered compared to a desktop computer... on the other hand, they *should* have less lag than a desktop+drawingtablet because everything in them is integrated more completely...
it does make sense to use a portable tablet like that though, i often wish i could hold my drawing display like a sketchbook, on my lap. it makes a huge difference being able to angle the drawing surface with my left hand to assist my right hand in making a brush stroke

>get a real tablet but I can't afford one lol
i know that feel. BUT, have you considered getting a used one? i was using a "xp-pen deco 01" up until very recently... they are $80 new and around $50 used. i would say it is the best drawing tablet out there, not just for its price but overall! i think bigger tablets would be less comfortable to draw on, and these chinese knock-offs are as good as wacom at a fraction of the cost. and just recently i got extremely lucky and bought a drawing *display* (xp-pen artist 13), used, for the same price i bought my deco01 previously...
you should consider checking online for a good deal like once per week. sooner or later you will find something well outside your price range for a criminally low price :D

>>7615347
well fuck me i forgot to flip the canvas back around...
does not matter, that bird turned (me on) out so good i wanted to post her separately anyways lel

>>7615343
what

Life drawing is more fun than I thought it would be. Especially if you challenge yourself by trying to draw an imagined rotation then comparing it to the object actually rotated. It's very chill and it has to be good practice.

something off?

>>7615351
ratsexual

>>7615347
aaah a micron is a type of pen, I use micron and unipin. I use extremely thin ones, 003s, the thinnest you can purchase, and that's why my drawings look like that. Its q tactile thing, I love the feeling of how they dig into the paper.theu die fast because the nib is fragile. Most of my drawings on paper are done with 003s.
I don't use shortcuts with digital, I don't even really ctrl z because as a trad person it's so unnatural for me, esp on iPad where short cuts suck, I just forget.
my iPad is 8th gen so it is older, also, which may be why the csp lag is so bad, but csp is the program o am used to for painting and learning procreate seems hard. My udemy course guy is using procreate, and I follow along his sketch shape and construction stuff in csp. I want to learn digitalskeychong so during the sales I bought a course on it. People think I don't study, but I've actually spent money o fon't have trying to learn, lol, because I love to draw and hope to get good someday, I have three udemy courses I bought, gesture painting digital stuff etc.
maybe. i bought a nice sp pen for a sibling and tried it out when I had a job, maybe I should get another used. It wasn't bad, I just wasn't sure how to use it. My iPad was only 230usd at purchase because it was 8yhgen
Sorry for typing mistakes, we drink for funerals in my culture, lol
Thank you so much for your help and support, red blob rori man. I am not q roricon, but someday, I hope you watch golden kamuy and drawasirpa, because I think she is very cool and like her very much. She is very cute. I know she likely not your type to draw, but I have my dreams.
Cute birdo. I have no more drawings, I am drunk painting.my comm and hoping I don't have to delete the update tomorrow
I have another vomm coming up, but that one was ill be trad.

>>7615352
I am scared of drawing.
I look at my tablet with dread!
I want to be happy drawing but I cant while being permabeg!!!!

>>7614566
>3 hrs for this
brutal blackpill
I really, really need to stop drawing at the exact size I see and start scaling up my studies, this is about 1/6th of the area of the page and it's too small for me to make any precise corrections
I could've just made a larger, more accurately detailed study within the same length of time kek
>>7615252
>>7615291
I wrote like 10000 characters in my first reply of me chastising myself but nobody wants to read that so in summary I'm not actually treating my practice as practice and I'm letting myself get carried away with my familiar line of thinking which I KNOW isn't going to help me improve in the medium-long term
>this is all very vague ramblings... sorry lel
this kind of "meta-critique" (i.e not critiquing the work in particular but identifying issues with the approach to work) is very difficult and I really do appreciate what you've written, I just feel guilty for not having applied it yet
what you've written here
>you jump too quickly to the end of the drawing. you are putting down one or two approximations for the forms like stepping stones, and then running towards the end (=final, decisive lines) like the floor is made of lava. when you draw from imagination, you have no knowledge of where the final lines will go.
is a perfect diagnosis of the exact issue I'm having early on, and I know that the earlier I break my current way of thinking and try something new the better, I just need to find some way of forcing myself to ffffffffffffucking do it without getting carried away
like you have written EXACTLY what I need to read down to the last word and my intuitive reaction is that of apprehension which I feel is really really bad news for me kek, it's like I'm careening off a cliff behind the wheel of a car knowing I'm soon to plunge into an ocean of failure and laziness
if I had any ability for drawing from imagination I would scribble some schizophrenic apparition of myself bashing my own head in with a rock

>>7615359
i guess it was too wide, now it's perfect

>>7615367
mogs me.

>>7615369
please stop the "mogs me" ritualpost anon, it makes me want to quit...

>>7615368
i would have sexual intercourse with those ankles if you understand what i mean

>>7615291
>you could even just draw a line that separates bright and dark areas (and lit and shadow areas) without even shading them in!
this is actually what I already do, the issue is where my mind leads once the line's on the page:
>draw line to demarcate different shadows/colours
>oh, the way it's drawn just looks like a feature, let me shade over it really lightly to show it's just a value change
>oh, this area is now shaded, but this area's supposed to be the same value as that, so let me shade this area as well
>oh, I've applied values to these areas but now it looks completely flat, let me try adding depth by including shadows and highlights
>oh, wait why the fuck am I rendering values when I don't know how to on this 5 minute blocking sketch where I haven't even blocked anything in
I'm struggling to let things "be" on the page, I need to take a much more disciplined approach at this stage and develop one area of thinking without any intent of producing anything, my approach is all fucked up
this 3 hr study is just pissing me off now, it started off as a 30 minute contour frame and my mind wandered off into the exact line of thinking as above, I'm not learning anything by letting this happen
>try and draw "cross contour lines"
do you know any exercises or learning material for cross sections, contour lines etc? I can figure them out intuitively for basic spheres and cylinders but I'd struggle for organic shapes

whats wrong with this

>>7615378
....no

>>7615323
Even drawn perfectly she'd be kinda weird looking you played yourself

>>7615361
rats of talent...
LETS FUCKING R.O.T.!

>>7615365
oh... i remember now talking to you about your ipad too lel i too forget things

funny, you draw with very thin pencils, when i started out, traditionally, i bought myself a very soft pencil (9B which i have never seen anywhere again, only up until 6B) that is entirely made out of pencil lead... meaning no wood around a pencil lead core, just an entire, thick, stick of pencil material. its tip never sharpened, just continually worn down into a blunt round stump

funeral? im sorry to hear that ;_; it must be a difficult time for you...

i looked her up, dont know her personality yet so i dont know if she is my "type" =D funny enough, when i used to do commissions it was almost exclusively loli, but what actually attracts me is kind and pleasant characters, not the stereotypical bratty lolis~

good luck on your comms! in my experience, customers appreciate updates even if they are not perfect and show an artists struggle or insecurity. as long as you actually finish the commission and dont trauma dump too much on the customer, he/she will feel a stronger connection to the artwork because they got to see "behind the scenes"... or maybe it will turn them off, idk lol. i havent done comms in ages so what do i know :^)

>>7615367
it sounds like you are very harsh to yourself... but the drawings you post seem fine and not at all like you need to be so strict with yourself... maybe you are overreacting or maybe your high expectations for yourself are what boosts your drawings to look good~

they are gay and both adults
I'm just struggling to get them right proportionately so the bottom ends up looking like a shota :(

>>7615394
you're struggling to do that because you want him to look like a shota

>>7615397
no I just like big strong guys who make me feel small
I want him to look like an effeminate adult with a slight build so I can self insert more easily

>>7615393
asirpa is very pleasant , not bratty, she is a good person and very honorable and cool, she is the best and hard not to like
i should try a thick pencil, I used to draw with charcoal, but everything I've ever drawn with charcoal is terrible so I don't post it as much
>>7615394
P A IGEKINO

>>7615398
gaslighting aside its the head size in relation to heigh

6 heads vs 4 heads will make one look like an adult while the other one looks like a child
10+ heads vs 6+ heads will make one look like a giant while the other one looks like an adult

>>7615325
Yeah, I seem to be afraid of making the head too long or wide which pushes me in the opposite direction. I'll watch out for the cheekbones to better define the shape of the head, thanks.
Also semi-realistic lips are suicide inducing holy shit.
>>7615388
What should I watch out for so that I pic good refs?

>>7615367
>>7615393
>I really do appreciate what you've written, I just feel guilty for not having applied it yet
what you've written here
dont feel guilt or pressure on my behalf! seriously! i tend to do that too and it is extremely damaging... i dont want that for anybody else
besides, i am not that worthy of so much devotion from you lmao. just because i put in slightly more effort into my responses should not lead you to believe what i have to say is that much more insightful than what you will absorb inevitably from other anons, tutorials, books, experience etc

but thank you! it means a lot to me that it means a lot to you lmao

>I know that the earlier I break my current way of thinking and try something new the better
i mean... i am only guessing at your mindset, and you are still inexperienced as an artist... chances are i am mistaken and you might over-correct. i am just careful not to influence you too much. after all you are drawing regularly, making good progress, and making decent drawings along the way. you could be much worse off!
you make it sound like you are extremely unhappy about the path you are on, and i think you can afford to be a bit more forgiving to yourself

>>7615380
as opposed to permabegs and schizos that have haunted this thread in the past, your "problem" could be (over)simplified to
>you are overwhelmed by all the visual elements
that is better than being a true permabeg / schizo who cannot for their life see and understand certain details or abstract visual concepts

i believe this will resolve itself whether you worry about it or not. as long as you have the wish to get a better control over everything in the back of your mind, you will improve in that regard just from practice and experience. have you ever played chess? when you are a beginner, the entire board is overwhelming, but after a couple hundred games, your subconsciousness takes over all the processing and just "filters" a summary of the board up to your conscious mind

>>7615406
good advice ty, I'll try to keep that in mind to keep them both looking adult
I thought keeping their head sizes roughly the same while making one shorter would keep them looking both looking relatively adult, I guess a larger head on a shorter body does look younger by changing the proportions
maybe I'll try to keep their height difference less extreme too

>>7615409
>have you ever played chess?
drawing rn so can't commit to a full response but this was what exactly came to mind when I was evaluating my experiences with other hobbies that test your ability; I've been 1500 on chess.com since I was a retarded kid playing intuitively through trial and error, and, as an adult trying to implement openings, theory and puzzles into my practice, I'm still 1500 kek

>>7615380
>>7615409
and if you absolutely want to force yourself to "let go" you could try making this a habit
every day before you begin drawing "for real", draw for 5 minutes on a page
one big drawing of multiple small doodles
or if you dont feel like it, literally just draw sad emoji faces for 5 minutes (i unironically do that. if i dont feel like drawing at all but i need to keep my habit alive, i just open my drawing app, draw a single smiley face, and close it. nurturing a habit with this kind of worst-case contingency plan is crucial)
and when the 5 minutes are over (or if you ended up drawing longer because you got into the groove) - you delete it without saving (or in traditional, you literally throw away that page)

this might help you, or not... but you sound very agitated so i want to recommend you something lol
maybe drawing while knowing that you are going to throw the drawing away will "unlock" a more relaxed mindset for you that you can tap into when drawing for real

in any case, keep up the good work anon!

>>7615412
i never got past 600-ish lmao
didnt help that i would troll every indian flag by losing intentionally after drawing the match out as long as possible :^)

if I do draw a character as a shota will that make it easier for me to get a big strong handsome daddy boyfriend

>>7615420
deerfag....

>>7615411
Based retard, the heads can stay roughly the same size, but an adult man needs fo be somewhere around 6 plus heads tall, you can push the other figure as much as you want but "heads tall" is what makes you look adult, you can't make the twink have child proportions

Google loomis height age head something like that

>>7615421
nowhere near as good as artist

>>7615422
very interesting, always learning I know less than I thought I did

Im gonna make a "SFW" ver with that stupid golden bikini everyone was doing like a month ago

>>7615429
blog?

how the fuck are you supposed to do lineart and render dresses

>>7615437
i hope this is a girl because it goes into my inspiration folder

>>7615442
i have bad news for you

Finished this, the donuts were fun to draw, but I wasn't sure how to go about drawing the golden chocolate one. Hands are still my enemy

>>7615443
Based

>>7615376
I would kill to be as good as you.

>just found out about kinesthetic sketching
disregard every doompost ive ever written im GMI

>>7615429
I believe in you Jona.
Please dont forget to make those massive nipples peek through her bikini.
Who is she btw? An OC?

>>7615433
https://x.com/nemojona
>>7615453
Nah, she is Ran Yakumo. I like drawing Touhous because they are relatively simple to draw yet vague enough to just do whatever you want with them

>>7615456
>Making a titcow
>With Ran
Based. Hope I get to see the final result soon.

>>7615452
>google kinesthetic sketching
>first article that pops up is vague AI generated slop listicle
anon you might be falling for our generations facebook-meme-marketing-psyops

I drew a flower, then I wanted to fill out the rest of the page, so I attached a pikmin to it.

>>7615460
I was only referring to keeping some part of your drawing hand on the paper when drawing geometric shapes, rehearsing the movement of drawing the shape and using the sensation to self-correct before you commit it to the page, or "gazing ahead" of the pencil point so it forms a trace of the shape in your mind's eye and correcting the motion using that
but now my arm is getting tired and the side of my hand is covered in graphite so maybe it is a meme psyop

>Seeing one of my old server friends pick up drawing and mog me to death in a few months
I am feeling very suicidal right now.

>>7615462
was this from a reference? it's very nice

>>7615464
You mean ghosting? Sounds like ghosting.

>>7615468
okay

>just found out about ghosting
disregard every doompost ive ever written im GMI

>>7615467
Yeah, thanks though.

>>7615465
>oh dude why do you want to die?
>someone draws better than me

>>7615472
this but unironically, if I'm not the best at everything I do then I am nothing

>>7615472
Because the only thing I want to do I am utterly fucking hopeless at while everyoneseems to pick it up like fucking nothing.

>>7615475
you don't have the biggest dick in the world

>>7615477
y-you don't know that

>>7615478
Well then? Post it. The thread needs a challenge reference.

>>7615407
it takes time and practice but we are all going to get there.
>Also semi-realistic lips are suicide inducing holy shit.
you are not doing an outline which is great, but I think you should emphisize Sexual dimorphism with your abstractions, those lips look too femenine, I think for men look better to just draw where the lips meet and the shadow of the under the lower lip, if it feels flat sometime hinting the philtrum from the nostrils (never from the upper lip.

Izayoi Seishin (mainly porn) is really good at drawing both male and females with a simple shape language.

>What should I watch out for so that I pic good refs?
nah the ref is good, is single light source which is excellent for practice. maybe the left eye is kinda weird but is still usable.

>>7615482
it won't fit in the camera frame but here's a study I did a while ago

>>7615486

>>7615409
You only confirm my statements about talent, hypocritical scum, by supporting those who try and succeed.

While others /beg/ like me >>7614276
a hypocritical will praise others, what a hypocritical and deceitful entity

>>7615500
no one opens catbox links anon.

Because he considered them more talented, directly stating this, and after that he still dares to tell me that I am wrong, although he himself is more lenient towards others.

>>7615347
>>7615351
TEACH ME YOUR SECRETS MASTER

HOW DO YOU STUDY?

>>7615501
Nobody cares when I post ordinary pictures like this, the talented bitch just sees in advance that it's pointles

>>7615505
where did you begin with figure sketching? your perspective is really good, did you learn that before you started doing figures?

Grinding is paying off, drew this from memory without references

>>7615347
>>7615351
could you do another post of sketch-studies like these? the next time you're not working on anything else

>>7615510
I drew this from imagination, these are bad figures, the torso and pelvis are flat, only a couple of legs are acceptable

>>7615513
>those are from imagination
unironic suicidefuel, please tell me you were as autistic and detail-oriented as me when you first started and you acquired this skill through rote learning

>>7615505
do the poses twice, draw softly at the beginning.

>>7615513
why are you posting things from more than a week ago? do you even draw everyday? and why are you trying to draw from imagination being a beg?
people these days

>>7615514
I don't know, I just can't convey perspective and depict the body in simple forms, this is from references

>>7615495
>praise progress pilled and effort maxxing begs
>trigger schizo as byproduct
>mfw

>>7615503
look at the bottom of this post
7613633

i used to do this exercise 2-3 times a day. not so often currently since a lot of other stuff is making it difficult to focus on drawing ;_;

and you can see how these exercises look here
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7613721

and here you can see how i draw in iterations, starting big and vague and working towards small and detailed
7615347

(had to make the posts non-clickable since it keeps blocking my post for suspected "spam" :( )

this is it. this is 99% of all i do lmao. no secrets. just that one timed repeating sketching exercise over and over. i firmly believe anybody can improve if they draw
regularly and with focus / intent
it does not have to be this exact timed exercise, whatever works for you. but do it regularly, do it a lot, have a mindset of improving

>>7615511
>Grinding is paying off
good job anon! i am proud of you <3 and envious >:(

>>7615512
i will, eventually, inevitably. but forgive me if i wont promise it to be anytime soon. feeling expectations on me triggers my anxiety lel
i can post a couple of exercise pages that i did in the past though, in the meantime...

>>7615512
>>7615525

>>7615512
>>7615525
>>7615526

>>7615512
>>7615525
>>7615526
>>7615529
this one is not from ref and without timelimit,
freely drawing faces in various levels of details and experimenting with different approaches and brushes

>>7615525
do you usually try to go from vague to more detailed like >>7615347 or do you sometimes do each iteration about the same?

>>7615534
i dont quite understand your question...
maybe i mislead you with that post >>7615347 accidentally

that bird and whale show a single (!) drawing, but i made a copy of the layer i am drawing on every now and than, so at the end i can put them all side by side and let you see how it looks (it is a lazy alternative to recording my drawing)

i always think and draw from big,simple,important gradually down to small,complex,detailed

when doing my timed practice sketches, i approach every single copy of the ref with the same unchanging mindset. the only thing that might be different is that during the exercise i become acquainted with some part of the reference enough that my simplification of that part changes


so yeah, the bird and whale example is NOT my repeated timed exercise, it is a single drawing each. but the way i progress when drawing, as you can see in that example IS how i draw each attempt in the repeated timed exercise... sorry if i am making this confusing lel

you can see, under almost every drawing of mine, the faint, repeatedly-partially-erased-over guide lines btw~

Think I'm just going to redo this one. Not feeling the direction I took it in.

>>7615462
Based pikmin enjoyer. The posing and feet remind me of the pepe with soiled pants.

>>7615429
SEEXXOOOOOO!!!

>>7613988
>>7613989
why did /int/s stop participating in thread challenges? I used their drawings to study

>>7614652
Thanks, that looks better

i feel the form

>>7615511
what did you study?

>>7615164
Soul

>>7615367
>>7615409
>hit refresh instead of submit for my reply
>page loads with an empty message field
kill me
>just because i put in slightly more effort into my responses should not lead you to believe what i have to say is that much more insightful
believe me, I'm extracting value from *what* you write, not how much you write, if I felt I wasn't getting anything from your posts I'd just ignore them kek
you've done well at extracting the point I'm trying to communicate and diagnosing the problem I'm having without me being able to articulate it for myself, I imagine /ic/ gets a lot of prebegs that talk more about the thought of drawing rather than asking for critique on what they draw, so it's a nice surprise for my questions and concerns about it to actually be addressed despite that fact
>you make it sound like you are extremely unhappy about the path you are on, and i think you can afford to be a bit more forgiving to yourself
I guess an analog to how I view my current approach to drawing is, imagine someone who's been able to capture gesture, form, expression well in their prebeg doodles, but they don't really capture exact details and measurements, and they want to learn how to do analytic figure studies (think picasso's stravinsky), but instead of accurately translating every line upside down in order to understand the relationships between the lines, they think it looks "wrong" and stop looking at the reference, start to fill in the blanks with where they think things should go, they guess how things ought to look, all with their prebeg brain that doesn't understand how things ought to look in neither an appealing or actual sense, and they do this because this is their comfort zone
studies are my comfort zone, details are my comfort zone, and even in exercises where I first set out to understand the abstract form of what I'm studying, I get carried away and start thinking "well, it doesn't actually look like this, does it? let me do my own thing..."

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so I hope that conveys why I'm feeling frustrated with myself, I'm not all that interested in the outcomes of my drawings right now, I want to learn new things but I'm not learning anything if I don't stick with what my intentions were at the beginning of the drawing (e.g setting out to do a small, 30 min contour sketch but instead doing a fully-realised 3 hr study 3x smaller than it should be)
I know it's better than not drawing at all I just want to nip this behaviour in the bud before it seriously starts to harm progress
>that is better than being a true permabeg / schizo who cannot for their life see and understand certain details or abstract visual concepts
that's me I'm the true permabeg / schizo
>you will improve in that regard just from practice and experience
I think that's true as well once I stop fixating on visual elements and start understanding broader shapes and structure, but that requires taking the first step to develop that unfamiliar skill, and I feel like I'm meant to be taking that first step right now yet I'm not :(
>every day before you begin drawing "for real", draw for 5 minutes on a page
>one big drawing of multiple small doodles
this sounds retarded but somehow my brain tells me "no, before you do that effectively, you need to understand THIS first" even though I don't fucking know what "THIS" is by name (my gut tells me it's gesture and perspective), any imaginative sketches I've tried are still mostly symbols with poor perspective and no depth
>in any case, keep up the good work anon!
thank you
>feeling expectations on me triggers my anxiety lel
yeah absolutely, the sketches you've posted here >>7615525 >>7615526 >>7615529 >>7615532 were what I was looking for anyway thanks, it didn't have to be that exact timed exercise

trying to draw larger in these images and get used to broader strokes, I have no idea how petals work