Thread 7680483

The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.

Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.
Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).
Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.

Previous thread:>>7669556

Some resources:
/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asg

Books:
Understanding Comics
https://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/
Making Comics
https://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255d
Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
https://annas-archive.org/md5/2877da11e2f852d220853e9944e6ea49
Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting
https://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/
Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga
https://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdf
The Shonen Jump Guide to Making Manga
https://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6Wpg

Videos:
"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"
Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videos
Manben link can be found on archive.org on different pages separated by season: https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1bu9f0y/found_all_of_naoki_urasawas_manben_and_manben_neo/
Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videos

OP image is from Ten Tenhou-doori Chapter 151.

>>7680483 (OP)
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/))
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7680484
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7680485
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

How do i write the manga cringe humor?

>>7680489
Try and write regular humor, and it will just come out as cringe.

>>7680489
Ywnbf

How the girls see themselves....

>>7680647
... and the cruel reality.

This was the last of the pairings pics. I've been commissioned to do a private artwork so I'll be working on that for a small bit. Seems like doing these pictures turned into something more. After that, I plan to start storyboarding Chapter 5.

How the girls see themselves....

>>7680687
... and the cruel reality.

>>7680692
And a final lineart because why not.
This is the last of the pairings pics. I've been commissioned to work on a private artwork, so I'll be working on that for a little bit - seems like doing these little side drawings paid off after all. After I'm done with that, I'll start working on storyboarding chapter 5.

>>7680687
Buddy I don't know how you can do color.
I spent hours coloring everything in and I wanted to blow my brains out.

>>7680489
Write regular humor. Then pretend they are manga characters.

Does anyone have any advice or even books on paneling/creating interesting panel layouts? I feel like my panel layouts often end up very uninteresting or are not reaching their full potential.

>>7680489
you can't, you can only write genuine humor and it becomes cringe later. otherwise you become a tryhard which is the worst kind of humor.

>>7680711
>Buddy I don't know how you can do color.
I'm going to be honest with you, I still feel like I have no goddamn idea what I'm doing when I'm coloring about 80% of the time.

>>7677881
posting page

>>7680711
stop thinking about color, and start thinking about values. Anything you do can do with color, you can do with just greys, so learn shading with greysscale.

>>7680489
prepubescent girl falls ass-first on male character's dick = comedy gold

female character's bra/top unrealistically flies off, character turns red and screams = stand up legend

female character gets angry at male character and commits felony level assault and battery = king of all comedy

you now understand the eclectic world of jap humour

>>7680711
i got a cheat for you. use pastel colors and desaturate by 10%... then just use the fucking color theory chart

>>7681034
that's a pretty funny shitpost. now make a manga

>>7681032
It's not just that, it's picking colors. If I made this shirt blue, the pants shouldn't be blue. And the chair they are sitting on probably shouldnt be blue, etc etc.
>>7681043
ty

How long did it take you to reach a professional skill level purely in terms of artwork and overall draftmanship?
I'm purely working on that alongside visual storytelling due to my beg ass shit drawings while putting writing quality aside, and I just hope to put out something presentable between 2028 and 2030

>>7680489
the real secret is manga/anime humor is just sitcom humor but worse. have characters overreact to everything. make them say "EEEEHHHHHH???" and autistically screaming and draw big googly eyes and point out very obvious things so the reader understand what to laugh at.

>>7681078
>characters overreact to everything. make them say "EEEEHHHHHH???" and autistically screaming and draw big googly eyes and point out very obvious things
Don't forget that everyone should also fall over when a character makes a bad joke or a pun. And when they get up they should have either a giant sweat drop, a giant angry vein line, or perhaps even a cartoon bandage to show they got hurt by the fall!

>>7681076
>How long did it take you to reach a professional skill level purely in terms of artwork and overall draftmanship?
You are gonna have to define explicitly what you mean by "professional" here. There is a huge divide between what is acceptable to be published in the industry sense, and what is considered /pro/ tier artwork by anons on /ic/ (and you better fucking believe crabs will absolutely come out of the woodwork to make sure you know that your artwork isnt /int/, let alone /pro/, Vilppu forbid.).

>>7681110
do you even like manga

>>7681118
>You are gonna have to define explicitly what you mean by "professional" here.
Creame of the crop higher end twitter/NSFW artists like Eigaka and TheGoldenSmurf. Not sure if it will be harder or easier to try reaching their skill level comlared to the average weekly mangaka tho

Does anyone have like 3- 4 idea's for series' that you haven't gotten anywhere near drawing anything for. I have an idea for a soccer manga that has actual football and not like shounen battle moves masked cosplaying as football like in Blue lock and Captain Tsubasa and it would start with the MC making their professional debut in the J-league rather than the Youth teams and follow their career season by season. I figured it would focus on the drama of the season, of course (struggles to win a trophy) the MC struggling to adapt to the top level, how they have to work hard to improve as a player and the struggles of fame and expectation. Then a move to Serie A (I'd have some hybrid 90's 2000's Serie A that has all the best players) and the realization that while he might have been one of the best players in the J-league in european football he's a nobody who has to switch positions because he's just can't be a winger in Serie A, like I want him to eventually become an Elite player but, nothing ridiculous and over exaggerated like the next Ronaldo. I'm also thinking of incorporating real life football heritage into it, like maybe Messi, or a fake messi bursts on to the scene and the MC and his team have to figure out how to nullify him so they can win the Champions league like irl Inter-Milan did when they won the treble and Prime cold rainy Stoke city. And of course dealing with teammates you can't gel with, good teammates and friends who get sold, Maybe even being sold against his will and Teammates or even rivals getting career ending injuries. And by the end I think he'll have won like 3 or 4 big trophies (each trophy campaign will be an arc) and be the captain of the Japan national team and be the best player in Japanese history (and be like a well respected player in europe) I'm not really that into sports manga, I usually find if quite cringe and stupid but, I do enjoy irl football so, I wanna translate all the things that make the actual sport great into manga

>>7681134
Why don't you try asking eigaka and goldensmurf?

>>7681146
You won the wall of text in /mmg/ history

>>7681185
damn, thought it would be me but nope. Can't do anything right lmao

>>7681146
I have a ton of ideas I like to think about but will never draw because I'm untalented, old, and stupid. At this point I've resigned myself to this fact, that I'm just a sad pathetic idea guy who has to watch others live out their dreams of succeeding at drawing comics while I die a lonely poor death. It's still fun to think about these ideas though.

>>7681076
>>7681134
Sorry, do you see any "creme of the crop twitter/NSFW artists like eigaka and TGS(LOL)" here? Why the fuck are you asking how long it took these random not-comic artist illustrators to reach their level in THIS thread of all places? This has the stench of a question asked to annoy, not to actually get an answer.

>>7681207
You haven't seen the why aren't webcomics as good as eigaka threads?

>>7681146
I have a handful of stories I can fall back on, but some people are more comfortable not committing to being a longform author, and some are. I'm just in the latter group.

>>7681207
I'm gonna assume this is the same lowly guy who keeps making these goldensmurf threads literally every week.

>>7681121
i like things that are actually funny

>>7681532
looks good. Dont see to paper from you

>>7681629
is this NTR?

How tf do I come up with character designs I actually like? Any insights on how you guys settle on a design would be appreciated.

>>7681207
>do you see any "creme of the crop twitter/NSFW artists like eigaka and TGS(LOL)" here?
Why is nobody aiming to make comics with similar art quality and instead always use the same "B-But muh storytelling is more important" excuse? Fundamentals and appeal aren't that hard to learn if you try hard enough yet literally almost nobody over this thread surpasses low int level at the very best, sometimes justified with weird excuses like this.
Both art and writing should be important, but very few people over here seem interested in reaching higher skill levels regarding the former at all.
Pic related, what I actually consider on the mid/higher intermediate tier and actually acceptable skill level to start a comic at without using higher level professionals like Smurf or Eigaka. 95% of people over this thread can't draw as well as this either.

>>7681700
you can start by finding designs you like for reference

>>7681708
No one cares about your two random porn artists that you just cannot shut up about, and you're one of the types who does nothing but sling exceedingly thin insults wrapped in paper thin "advice," when you know all you're doing is being inflammatory.

>>7681700
I usually start with the utility of the design. Think about what they'll be doing in the story and the types of poses they'll be making and how I can enhance that with their outfit / silhouette.

>>7681719
The insults are getting way harsh. In the past they called us begs now is low int. Even our haters have to admit our improvement Xd

>>7681728
*Way less harsh

>>7681708
>Why is nobody aiming to make comics with similar art quality
Because that's a retarded goal? Most people are trying to tell stories, not draw the most immaculate, overrendered 10 pages you've ever seen. Same reason most people are trying to make the next Bernie Wrightson's Frankenstein illustrations... because that's a whole lot of work for not a whole lot of work. You may as well be asking why actual pro manga authors at the top of their industry aren't aiming to make comics with a similar art quality. Because that's not what the goal is. And one is clearly more successful than the other.
>yet literally almost nobody over this thread surpasses low int level at the very best
Wrong.

>>7681736
>Same reason most people are trying to make the next Bernie Wrightson's Frankenstein illustrations
*aren't

>>7681708
>yet literally almost nobody over this thread surpasses low int level at the very best
At least six (possibly eight) anons here are very, VERY clearly past low-/int/. I cant say where they actually are as frankly the whole powerlevel thing is vague and masturbatory as all hell, but they clearly aren't only low-/int/.

>>7681645
what a mystery

>>7681760
Not that schizo, but list them, I'm curious

>>7681707
>top panel

>>7681708
i can tell you're never actually gonna create anything in your life

>>7681707
The dude's expressions and general facial anatomy are just too goofy to take seriously. There's no real threat behind them, just looks like an autist acting out in public being weird.

>>7681832
>looks like an autist acting out in public being weird.
Not McBurg anon, but isn't that kind of the whole point? Like what, people touched by the 'tism can't also go postal at their workplace?

>>7681843
>it's bad on purpose
Has never been able to save something bad and always been a cope for someone who doesn't want to admit a mistake.
If I point out that a character's arm is drawn out of proportion and anatomically wrong, you go:
>So what you think people with weird arms don't exist??
Sure they do but that's clearly not what was intended, and your defensive reasoning will not be convincing any potential readers who bounce off your mistake.

There is no menace or threat in the way that character is drawn, it is not conveying the intent effectively. Unless you're saying we're supposed to be cringing and laughing at the mcburg spaz? Is this a parody of horror instead of trying to play it straight?

>bro just spend 10 hours drawing each page and draw the same characters over and over and the backgrounds and the typesetting and bubbles and all the writing and
Fuck this shit, is there an AI for manga making?

>>7681859
Lol you don't even have a story, what are you even going to tell an AI to shit out?
>HELO GOOD MARNING CHATGPT PLEASE TO YOU MAKE THE MANGA JAPANESE COMICS FOR ME VERY GOOD
If you had a story you could just write it in prose form.

>>7681858
Who said it was bad?

>>7681859
https://perchance.org/ai-manga-generator
>Go! Saar Pajeet! Go and AI sloppa your manga to the extreme!
>I will! Thank you father!

>>7681770
No, nothing productive will come of it and if anything it'll just create pointless drama. I like /mmg/ the way it is, a semi-helpful community that somehow works overall.

>>7681873
Welp, this was terrifying.

>>7681882
>two more weeks!!!

>>7681873
this is really fun actually

>>7681645
What are you talking about?! They are normal high school students!

>>7681882
blog??

>>7681707
Post the page with the dude swinging the hammer behind the check, please.

>>7681707
I'm lmaoing because he looks like a titan/berserk Eva 01. Wouldn't surprise me if he literally ate someone on the next page. Really captures the minimum wage experience

>>7681708
Fuck off tumbler

>>7681873
>When you visit /mmg/ and there is no Drama

>tfw worked on my comic today at lunch
back to the wage cage

No contests going on anywhere?

>>7682157
I second this question. I have some downtime, and I've never done a oneshot.

>>7682009
>tfw AI crabbers are evolving. More pinchers to pull more people back down into the bucket.

>>7682168
https://medibang.com/contests/openList/

This site seems to have some listed, uncertain how up to date or how comprehensive it is.

>>7681708
I do like the art, but me personally I would have shown all that instead of write it out in huge text bubbles. I think when making comics, people start rationalizing and minimizing how much drawing they have to do. At least with me, I have this sense of urgency like "I gotta draw the good stuff asap, nobody wants to read a slow burn". While serialized manga already "made it" and proved their series deserved a shot, so they can take their time and have more chapters or scenes where "nothing happens", just observational panels.

From my observation, when you look at amateur comics posted here and other places, there's a lot of silent panels where you have to observe and follow the story, but with really really good artists that are already seasoned illustrators, its words words words words.

>>7683223
Nice panelwork!

>>7683226
I actually had a lot of trouble with this one. I had hoped to be given an easy page after the difficult page prior to it, but the dynamic action in this one demanded a tricky panel layout.

Good job at ganbarouing at your mangas mina San. you can take the rest of the weekend off. Banzai!

>>7683235
You can tell a lot of effort went into it, you did well bud

I'm stuck
This action scene is never going to fucking end. Five seconds spread over like 6 pages so far.

>>7683412
I hope you're not talking about my comic, because this is chase scene being long and silly is the whole bit

>>7683223
Yeah, I noticed the panel comp is clunky here but the action is conveyed really well all things considered, so that's awesome. When things start to feel weird or that actions are competing too much, I remember to consider restraining the page to two scenes only. Here you could do this by moving the last panel to the next page and that would accomplish a few positive things here: It would no compete with the jump action for space, it would free up room to adjust some other elements (the bubble placement on panel two, the direction of the fleeing thief) allow you to avoid strange panel compositions and add a nice cliff hanger.

The art of the page turn is how you get people to keep going. I don't consider it for every single page myself but this would be a considerable punch up.

>>7683412
Which comic are you? And an action scene takes as many pages as it (genuinely) needs to. Action scenes have to stretch out movements and things done much more as they can't just be quickly condensed like speech bubbles can with words. It's just how it is.

Question- are there any manga labels in Japan that fall outside of shonen/shojo/josei/seinen? I understand why targeted marketing is important for publishers and not bashing that but I don't feel comfortable keeping a specific audience in mind while writing/drawing. I realize that's got to be a minority opinion but surely there's other weirdos making manga in Japan? Also do they just not have basic serials with four quadrant appeal like Archie comics or Peanuts? How would they label Japanese-made stuff like that?

>came up with an idea that perfectly fills in a bunch of worldbuilding plot holes.

Worldbuilding is actually the funnest part of making anything. What are some pieces of lore you're proud of anon?

>>7684424
Uh oh time 2 sperg

>Be Castle
>Old Bastard Co-founder is a wizard
>Not just a wizard. THE Wizard.
>Castle makes drugs and shit like baby powder by running their underground research department to completely game the market
>Singlehandedly makes studying alchemy easier to access and more wide spread (if you know where to look)
>New magicians iterating on alchemical knowledge leading to a golden age
>30 years later
>"I did it! I made sigil writing completely retard proof!" T. Some retard
>Rat bastard calls this abomination "Lingo"
>It looks like this
>The Wizard says it smells like shit, because it is
>"YEAH BUT YOU'RE OLD YOU NEED TO ADAPT TO THE TIMES OR GET LEFT BEHIND"
>The Wizard warns that it ignores the fundamentals of magic as an art
>Warns that even a low intermediate magician can easily undo a Lingo seal
>Warns against spreading scientism infecting MAGIC. ARTS.
>"Okay we'll just use it for low level security!"
>They use it for "low level sec" i.e. people are sticking it on everything from doors to lunch bags

>Sirens start blaring out of nowhere one night
>"PLEASE EVACUATE CALMLY TO YOUR FLOORS DESIGNATED EXIT AREA"
>Some monster stomping around throwing his head against the walls and floors harder than a 260 lb autistic man literally squashing people and demolishing whole hallways
>"How could this happen?!"
>look at the wreckage

>It's fucking Lingo

Such is the life of a Castle employee

>>7684422
Yes, off the top of my head beam and ax are weirdo magazines. Beam is way more well known and published by kadokawa.

https://comic-walker.com/label/comicbeam/contents

And here are kadokawa magazines if you wanna skim around and see what kinds of things different magazines put out

https://comic-walker.com/label

>>7683223
>more weeb exposition jank

why did this character loudly announce the story behind the mcguffin? would she not already know that? wouldnt the better thing to do is establish the function of the mcguffin in an inconsequential scene well before hand? ya know, so that the audience can piece that together without the character autistically blurting it out?

>>7684647
Not him but this allows him to draw the character doing a cool thing (establishes their capabilities by showing them doing something) and show a facet of the character's personality (establishes that they're a bit of a doofus/hothead who forgets critical details in the moment by showing them doing just that), while maintaining an exciting chase sequence. Even ignoring that I don't think there were any prior scenes TO set up the macguffin because this IS the establishing scene, you'd lose the opportunity to do those two things at once. You have to think about WHY you would set things up in advance, and what you miss out on by doing so. It isn't necessarily always the better option.

>>7684658
you have two options here. you either take the time to establish things that need establishing, or you awkwardly have things happen at random.
We only miss out on things the author is too lazy to set up in advance. characterisation can happen without set up. random crap with special properties do need it. and there are much less clumsy ways of showing character traits.
I think some artists get too bogged down with hooking the reader with action scenes instead of being clever with setting things up, before the action starts

>>7684671
Anon you are calling somebody lazy for not setting something up in advance when there's only been 6 (SIX) pages of this comic. Where the fuck is he supposed to set this up prior? How do you know THIS isn't the prior establishment for some other development in the future? Again this is PAGE SIX. Not 600. Not 60. 6.

>>7684647
Maybe if he changes it to something like "the necklace 'still' blocked my fire from here?!" or something to show that it works without having to actively be used. Then the main character learns something new while also conveying old information to the reader through subtext.

>>7684599
Oh yeah, that's definitely way more my speed. Even recognize a few of those titles

>>7684647
This whole chase bit actually takes place a little while into the story. I decided to start here rather than the actual start of the series proper since I was having alot of trouble with writing the actual start.
In that sense... there is no introduction to the characters at all, I have not even mentioned their names.
It's mostly so I can give myself some practice in making a comic before diving in and potentially ruining the first chapter with some amateurish mistake

>>7684647
In terms of the necklace itself, whether it is reasonable or not for the character to forget its sole function in the heat of the moment... here is the timeline of events relating to it.
>character gets fire sword
>1 day later he is given the neclace, it is a protection charm to prevent him from burning himself with his newfound power of fire.
>2-3 days later they arrive in the city and he gets pickpocketted.
I imagine from his perspective, he got it, put it on, and didn't think twice about it. So it's possible that he could forget what it did, also what >>7684658 suggests, perhaps he's a bit of a hothead and forgets critical details

>>7684797
So he was given a magical necklace 2-3 days ago that protects him from the power of fire, and now he has no idea what it does anymore? That's not a being absent-minded or a doofus, that makes the MC functionally retarded as in never learns to speak in full sentences or tie his own shoelaces retarded. That's genuine brain damage tier

There's 0 chance you're presented with such a magical artifact and literally forget what it does a few days later unless you're going to draw him drooling and being walked by his caretaker.

Why are you trying to excuse such poor writing?

>>7684933
Not any of those anons but I have no idea why you have such a hard-on against this. It's completely fine for the character to briefly forget something like that in this situation because 1. it's not information the readers previously had and 2. it allows for a visual demonstration of both what the character can do and the necklace's effect.
As anons have already pointed out, this is the introduction for the character and for the necklace so it's honestly fine here. Actually an editor would almost certainly ask for the author to do something like this, because it simply is good storytelling. It conveys the character and the situation effectively, allows for something exciting to happen and keeps the pace up.
If this was later in the story and we already knew what the necklace did and such a mistake isn't providing the readers with any new information then yes it would be stupid to have this. But that isn't what is happening here. So many manga have similar things to this because it's effective. This IS good writing.
And no, the character briefly forgetting something isn't "genuine brain damage tier" any more than somebody forgetting their glasses on their face is "genuine brain damage tier". What an insane thing to say.

>>7681708
I agree with you. A lot of anons here aren't ambitious enough with their art and even their own stories. Some have stagnated in terms of skill. And many seem to stick to stories/content that doesn't require much effort to create. If you don't care about improving than whatever, but if you want to make it, you have to try harder...

>>7685742
This. You can't always "show don't tell", especially in manga where panel flow and drawing fatigue have to be considered. Plenty of established GOATs like Araki do exactly what they've done here for the sake of communicating minor information effectively.

The other poster is a classic case of "when you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail". He has some knowledge of writing and thinks it applies everywhere.

It's up!

>https://globalcomix.com/read/4d712484-05fb-4b3b-9886-6eec646f9111/1

>>7685834
Im reading

>>7685834
Nice! I like the way you draw girls, and the panel work and compositions are all very good.

>>7685834
hairyyuckykatana what??

>>7685819
>You can't always "show don't tell"

thats literally the point of a comic. and you actually unironically used "drawing fatigue" as reason to show important elements of a story.
and I wouldnt use generic manga artist as an example when this guy is USING the moronic anime tropes of generic manga artists

>>7684675
uh... the guys making the comic. stick it somewhere before the first page... he's allowed to do that

>>7684792
thats not a bad idea. but its hard to critique something i only have parts of. unless you just want drawing critique.

>>7686120
>thats literally the point of a comic
Even if I agreed that that was true, and I don't, it's still true that you can't always do it. It just isn't practical, and I can guarantee that you yourself are not always "showing not telling" in your own work. Assuming you even draw comics and aren't just here acting like an expert without any experience of your own.

>>7686120
t. doesn't actually draw comics
PYW and show us instead of telling us

>Araki a generic manga artist
Lmfao

>>7686148
>uuuuwwwwaaaa PYW!!!

no bitch

>>7686158
There it is, a no-draw idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about.

>>7686169
Could it have been anything else?

>>7685742
Simply being shown that somehow the necklace nullifies the fire is enough. The kind of autistic monologue shown in the anon's work going "HEY GUYS YOU NOTICED THAT RIGHT? DID YOU SEE THE NECKLACE NULLIFYING THE FIRE???" is cringe, and no editor in their right mind would tell you hey make your character sperg out for a moment here. Just because you can find examples of bad writing in published work doesn't mean it isn't bad writing, or that others should stick to that low standard.

>And no, the character briefly forgetting something isn't "genuine brain damage tier" any more than somebody forgetting their glasses on their face is "genuine brain damage tier". What an insane thing to say.

Forgetting where you put your glasses and what a very powerful magical relic you received days ago even do are two completely different things. Imagine a knight with a shield that protects him from dragon breath going "wait what is this slab of metal on my back? does it do anything? i don't know". That's like you forgetting what your smartphone does. Forgetting where your keys are and what your keys even do aren't comparable.

>>7686188
>no editor in their right mind would tell you hey make your character sperg out for a moment here. Just because you can find examples of bad writing in published work
What exactly makes you think those examples aren't there precisely because an editor requested it?

>>7686169
cry more pussy

Our hero's humble stump.

>>7686219
Having an editor means you are published
Do you seriously believe that anon is published?

>>7686234
Huh, apparently you misunderstood me. Let me rephrase.
In those published works you mention, what exactly makes you think those examples aren't there precisely because an editor requested it?
Because these sorts of things are precisely the kind of things editors ask to be added. I know my editor's asked me to do stuff like that a few times.

>>7680483 (OP)
Are there resources or courses that could help with panel composition or is that just something that comes with practice?

>>7686188
More brainless sperging. This is the kind of idiot that if you listen to him you'll actively hinder yourself.

>>7686243
Read enough comics and you just get a sense of it. Its intuitive.

If youre having trouble CSP comes with cmmon page layouts you can just fill in the panels

>>7686287
It's more like character placement inside the panel im thinking of, but yeah I don't read nearly enough manga, I'll do that for a bit

>>7686307
For that, watch movies to get framing and cinematography.

>>7686307
>>7686315
Also:

>>7686324
Ah perfect, thank you

>>7686237
is this cowboy/hentai anon? how many ppl have editors in here?

oh shit koffee shitting the thread again

>>7686188
nta but why are you losing it so hard on one word balloon? yeah it's a bit clunky and would be better if he had a page or two to develop the necklaces powers but I don't think it's that big of a deal, sometimes you just move on

>>7686447
it really isn't and there's also no reason to take it to heart here. This kind of criticism usually comes from people with the extraordinary ability to be pedantic about everything in addition to a lack of experience or skill in the thing they're blowing up. Nothing you do will make them happy. Most of the time you can reasonably say that any kind of comment good or bad can be useful even if you have to dig deep, but not these. I've butted heads over this type of guy personally so I know precisely what it is and where it comes from.

tl;dr he's just autistic

>>7686470
many such cases...

>>7685834
Hey anon, nice work! I have a story I wanna tell and have been writing it in novel form, but have recently started practicing drawing to see if I can ever tell it in comic/manga form. How long did it take you to get to this level of skill? I'm still a complete beginner, so it'll be years until I can do anything consistent, but maybe I could do some illustrations for my novel further along.

>>7686447
the point is largely because its copy pasted anime dialogue. the author used it probably without thinking much of it, cuz many are just so used to reading that level of writing. That contrived stuff is everywhere in shounin manga, and like most other things in that "genre" nobody ever addresses why its bad. so they just inject it in there

>>7686610
Your pic doesn't seem to display the exact issue you're talking about. What are you referring to exactly?

>>7686624
it was the closest thing i had. if you cant see the problem with it, you are the begs im referring to in my post you ignored

>>7686610
to be fair this does sound like it was written for a braindead retard, thats why you spent your very hard earned money on it right?

>>7686713
i got this pic from /lit/. ive been compiling pics for future /lit/ abuse

>>7685834
Decent, needs less animeisms and more horror conventions.

>>7686610
so what exactly is the problem here? Reads pretty good to me?

>>7686824
What was the last book you read?

>>7686701
I just want you to point out what it is you're arguing in the example you provided anon, no need to lash out.

>>7686842
divine comedy

>>7686824
i always wanted to know what its like being sub 100 IQ. how hard is it to stand and breathe at yhe same time? do you do need to do these things independantly to each other?

>>7686610
>like most other things in that "genre"
It's not a genre, it's a target demographic. And this kind of thing shows up in works targeting this demographic because it's a young demographic that is prone to speedreading and not really paying that much attention. So redundancies are important. Yes, show the thing happen and some of the audience will see that and get it. Have the character point out that that's what happened and more of the audience will get it. Even still there will be some readers who still don't get what's happening.
I'm guessing you haven't made very many comics yourself so you might not understand this, but a huge part of the struggle of comics is just conveying something clearly. It's really, really hard to do that. Especially to people who don't know you or get your idiosyncrasies. Especially when those people are young teens. Especially when there are ton of far easier to understand things just a few page turns away (or one tab over). And since you don't get to see the reader's reactions until it's finished and out there you have no idea when you've made something clear enough or not. So it's crazy to fault someone for following the clearly set example of a whole lot of very successful works and include redundancies like characters explaining something that just happened.

I really fucking want /a/ to leave

>>7686934
anime website fuck off

>>7686882
go back to your youtube channel you cringe moron...

>>7686949
who is this lmao

>>7686610
>>7686624
>>7686701
>>7686824
>>7686882
We're all still waiting for the big reveal.
>inb4 "you already know and if you don't I won't tell you because everyone's retarded but me HMPH!"
It should be easy to point out what you're upset with.

you need to stop "analyzing" media, this is not healthy for you, you need to be making stuff, create and add to the body of human creativity

You guys think itd be too jarring to change some parts of my artstyle midchapter? I wanna play around with more shadows and less tones to improve some contrast issues my earlier pages have

>>7687008
It's easier to judge if we can see a before and after, otherwise small additions or adjustments are no biggie.

>>7687008
I think most readers wouldn't even notice. If you want to draw in a different style then do it, don't worry too much about it. It's not uncommon for actual pros to suddenly draw panels in a completely different style. Just do it.

>>7686937
thanks for the EZ BTFO mister

>>7687023
Why would you even reply to post like that in a thread explicitly for manga? It's such an obviously farcical post.

>>7687023
thanks for outing yourself as a newfag

I can't translate whats in my mind to the page

>>7686915
using the cop out of "its meant for kids" or "its for the demographic" does not hold up. As a matter of fact, art should be held at a HIGHER standard if it is for a lower denoninator.
You are effectively making excuses for retards to remain retarded at the cost of them being able to understand. this is the same logic applied to the federal government lowering and no longer requiring standardised tests for kids to pass high school.

The excuse of something being "really really hard to do" is irrelevent. art is hard, thats the fucking point. the rejection of that is how we got into this fucked situation of oversaturation, too many retards who dont know anything, plastering their shit on the wall and hopingsomeone will find value in it superficially. Art requires knowledge, it requires effort, it requires learning, simple as that. Any retard can put a pencil to paper. the last 100 years has been a carefully coordinated effort to deconstruct the arts into a hoity toity campaign of feels and sublime mediocrity

>>7687024
no, here's your farce, pal.

>>7687036
Anon, we are talking about making cartoons more easy to understand. It's not that deep. You show it twice so you know the information is conveyed. This is why stuff like characters announcing a thing we just saw shows up in cartoons for young teens. Redundancy to make sure the information was conveyed.
Editors often ask authors to include redundancy. To make the work easier to understand. So the target audience reading it understands what is happening.
It's the complete opposite of brainless. It's natural to think that if you show something once then it's understood, but no, that's not the case. Upon consideration, it's decided that a second method of conveying the information is often necessary. It's not bad to copy this.

>The excuse of something being "really really hard to do" is irrelevent
>Art requires knowledge, it requires effort, it requires learning, simple as that
Aren't you contradicting yourself? It is relevant that it requires knowledge, effort and learning. So you look at the works of the past that have succeeded and learn from what they did, thinking of why they did it. Because it's difficult to convey something, you do the best you can to making important details as clear as possible. Through redundancy. It's relevant because you don't seem to be aware of why somebody would ever show something and then have a character say it. It's because it's difficult to convey information. The difficulty directly relates to why it's done in that way so often.

>>7687036
lol

>>7686243

I think if you said anything about panel layout here, you'dget at least two autists readt to fight you to the death about why its a bad idea to do it.

Anyone got any new pages or designs they want to show... please... any art at all...anyone?

>>7687049
>It's the complete opposite of brainless

no, teaching others how to discern information correctly is the opposite of brainless. the fact editors need the author to repeat information REINFORCES dipshits and their dumbfuck media. You are supposed to learn critical thinking in fucking school but clearly you and the rest of you dumbfuck kids are not.

>Aren't you contradicting yourself?

no, im contradicting you. you are clearly avoiding quoting youself saying "a huge part of the struggle of comics is just conveying something clearly" thats just a part of making art, its difficult. Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar. or a post modernist.

you are simutaneously asserting "you do the best you can to making important details as clear as possible" and
"Through redundancy"

if you made it clear to the audience, you dont need to make it redundant. it is NOT that difficult to convey information unless the reader is used to being spoonfed everything from the plot, characterisation, devices and comedy.
again, this media appeals to the LOWEST denominator, AKA brainlets. and this media is propagated because its easy, it requires no effort yhis media is TRASH

>>7687084
yes cause you asked :D

>>7687084
Sure.

>>7687139
Again, we are talking about cartoons. These aren't meant to be educational. You're complaining that the cartoons are making the kids dumber. Do you realize how insane you sound?
>thats just a part of making art, its difficult.
Yes. A part. Like I said in the sentence that you quoted from me. "a huge part of the struggle of comics". Are you okay, anon? Did you learn critical thinking in place of reading comprehension?
>you are simutaneously asserting "you do the best you can to making important details as clear as possible" and "Through redundancy"
Do... you think these are mutually exclusive concepts? Repeating oneself is a way to make a detail as clear as possible. If somebody doesn't understand something you said, you elaborate, you rephrase the statement in the hopes that the listener/reader will understand that way. That's redundancy. I did it just now. It's extremely common practice. It applies to comics too.
>if you made it clear to the audience, you dont need to make it redundant.
But you don't know if you made it clear to the audience. You have no way of knowing if an audience understands what you are putting on the page. The audience isn't sitting there with you nodding along. So when you want to make sure, you add redundancy. You rephrase the statement. You show something in one manner and then also in another. If somebody's eyes glazed passed the action of the necklace absorbing the fire, they might still see the character exclaiming "Oh shit, the necklace just absorbed the fire!"

>>7687084
I dont have any new pages, but I drew this beaner a couple of weeks ago I wanted to do something with.
But I'll probably just deport him

>>7687188
>But you don't know if you made it clear to the audience

thanks to your pic, i now know the level of genius I'm dealing with. yes I still read your whole post. no, there is nothing I can say to aid you of your idiocy. you have no choice but to see this as a cop out

>>7687208
i was looking for the flanderspasta
thanks for posting

>>7687166
Looks great! Traditional feels like it'd take so much more time than digital. I've tried, and it was fun, but not having ctrl+Z and layers is too stressful for me. Do you post stuff online?

>>7687166
ye
https://cityofthesun.cfw.me/

Trad is a huge learning curve and I've kind of hit my limit more or less. I'm never going to be the best inker, but I work with what I got. I scan everything in halves and stitch them together, which is possible with a good quality scanner. Anything that I need to fix can be done digitally, though I was into using a whiteout pen for a while and I really like the convenience.

The worst part about drawing with a pen is just getting rid of the anxiety of messing up. Once you get a little confidence it's like water off an otter.

>>7687198
good lines anyway. that poncho looks like its gunna convieniently get torn off soon after hes introduced tho

>>7687166
At what size you draw? A3 or B5?

>>7687274
looks like standard B4 deleter paper (22x31cm final area)

I thought people say not to put text past the inner frame. Which is it really?!

>>7687371
If you have to ask then you stay in the safe zone. It's called the "safe zone" for a reason.
If you know what you're doing and know your text won't get cut off because you know where the print will get cut off because you've got plenty of samples of your work printed with the same publisher then it's fine to do so as long as the text isn't going into the spine of the book.

>>7687166
awesome, maybe odd, but what kind of blue pencil do you use, all the ones I've bought we're sorta awkward to draw with compared to my mechanical pencil

>>7687236
Are you planning on publishing that? jesus thats amazing art, and its criminal how few views it has

I dreamed I had more pages done and the art was actually good...

>>7687440
Just copy the pages from your dream. It's not stealing if your stealing from yourself.

>>7687444
dont listen to this guy, trust me these dream people have some great lawyers, you do NOT wanna get involved in some copyright shit with them

>>7687236
Nice art, have you thought about physical publishing? You've got enough pages for a volume.

Is there something specific I should be looking for in a "good" subject to study/copy? I'm very new to this and have been told to copy art I like, but I'm trying to determine what makes a good model. For example, if I want to copy Yusuke Murata's art, would it be better to practice with a character other than Saitama, since he has no hair?

>>7687274
It's B4 IC paper

>>7687421
I also hate typical nfb pencils for being hard as dick to get any visible lines to show up without really pressing.
I use non photo blue leads so it's mechanical, but I stopped using the original pencil it came with (Pilot color eno) because it was cheap and after a while it started snapping the leads inside the pusher. They're soft so you don't need to bear down but that makes them very delicate and prone to breakage.

>>7687426
>>7687466
For something that wasn't created with an audience in mind from the get go it has a significant returning readership, though I guess people don't feel that encouraged to comment honestly I don't feel too bad about it. It's coauthored so my job is to just make it real. On the publishing side everything's more or less set to go but I turn into a bewildered angry chimp when I try to figure out how any site wants the pages set up and every website seems to want something different! ree...

>>7687371
the zone outside the safe area is the "final" area, and shouldnt be drawn outside of. the narrow space outside that is the bleed, (space given for cutting the paper.

are these all digital drawing btw? if so it doesnt really matter unless you are printing. the blue lines should not be visible if the page was scanned (or on its own layer if all digital)

>>7687291
I've used Deleter once but I could not ink without causing bleeding.

>>7688122
The only ink I've found to work with deleter is deltet ink and Ph Martin Bombay black

>>7681078
You faggots haven't made a single thing that made me laugh EVER. Rizzless

>>7688155
Knock, knock

>>7687032
that movie was so fucked up dude

>>7687625
Frankly, studies are really only gonna be much help if you know what you're trying to get out of it. I'd recommend making your own stuff and do a study when there's something specific you're trying to learn how to do. Then you just find something that does what you're trying to do and try to reverse engineer how they did it. Doing a study to learn everything is just going to result in none of it sticking.

>>7688164
*rapes you*

>>7688178
Rapes you, who?

>>7688122
Deleter is OK, I only switched recently because they no longer seem to supply them outside of amazon. While i'm forced to deal with amazon again and their disgusting shipping practices (packing delicate paper in flimsy envelopes) I figured I might as well use IC instead. The difference is not that stark and even though the paper is slightly stiffer, that difference doesn't appear to translate in how the ink sets.

If bleeding is a problem it's usually because your ink is too watered down. Deleter ink has shellac that gives the ink a shiny finish so it won't bleed on anything naturally- but other inks such as pilot don't have this material.

>>7687440
Speaking of dreams, i have been having crazy plots dreams lately one was so good and end up.ina cliff hanger, so i push myself to back to sleep inmediately and dream the sequel

>>7688268
Didn't toriyama mention frieza coming to him in a dream? It'd be interesting know what else in manga is the result of dreams.

>>7688372
a lot of plot points and stuff I write are just nightmares I've had

>>7688229
I used Winsor & Newton and Royal Talens. Both are suposed to be indian ink that (i think) have shellac but both of them caused bleeding.

>>7687660
The art is professional looking. On the printing part, what website are you using? I've been thinking about physical media too but haven't delved into it.

What if the screentones don't print well at that size? What if the pages aren't aligned like I thought they would in print? Will they give you a print test sample? Please let me know how you solved these concerns

>>7688492
You wouldn't by chance remember the weight of the paper you bought?

How helpful are doing studies? I’ve just been doing my own stuff and drawing poses on pinterest, and I’ve heard studies are good, but I feel like I’d just zone out and not improve

>>7688539
>>7688176

>>7688528
If you work traditionally (including the tones), those problems are already solved for you assuming you are trying to print in the final size it's originally intended for. Make sure you work in high resolutions (600 dpi or above) then you are gucci. If you keep master copies of every page and then you can just trim the edges however much it needs to be trimmed off. CSP EX also has a binding preview feature to help check if things are going to be fucked up. After that all I can do is cross my fingers and hope it will turn out okay.

I've checked out Mixam in the past which seems to be the best option imo but they charge quite a bit. Any place is going to allow you to run samples but I can't tell you that will be free or not. I was wanting to put together a floppy with work samples this year to test run some things and potentially guerilla market, but I had a lot of things to deal with suddenly.

I've always hoped that someone could walk me though this because i'm paranoid it will be all wrong anyway. We're in the same boat so I can't tell you much else.

>>7688545
Do it this year man, then let us know about it.

>>7688530
It was Deleter Paper Type A - 135kg.
Here's some tests that i did back when i bought it.

>>7688597
Dickbutt

Im planing my manga for years now, characters, plots structure, worldbuilding, i feel burned out before even starting lol.
Now i decided to just go for it. A different story with a simple premise. I guess its called discovery writing. Is there something to pay attention to, or should i really go just page by page without any plan?

>>7688789
Just draw. You will learn a lot through the attempt. It's OK to fail as long as you get back up. Someday you will look back on all the waiting/planning, and wish you were creating the entire time.

>>7688789
my god.... he's just drawing..... it works...
more stuck thinkoids need to follow your example

>>7688789
I planned some bigger and looser concepts around the world as well as a few characters, to leave room for new ideas along the way. I had a certain vibe I wanted to go for, but I had never tried making comics before jumping into this current project. There's room for it to grow as huge as I want it to, but for the most part I plan the details chapter by chapter. I try to keep general notes of the next few chapters so I know what direction I'm heading in. I'd suggest planning further ahead than doing it page by page, but don't get stuck just worldbuilding without drawing. I'm really happy I just jumped into it when I did, and look fondly on my previous work as proof that I've improved along the way. But this is just what's worked for me. Good luck starting out, I'll be rooting for you!

>>7687025
>thanks for outing yourself as a newfag
everyone here is retard, if you've stuck with 4chan since the early 2000s that's a fucking point of shame, not pride, lmao

>>7688881
r*ddit might be more up your speed zoom zoom

I always hear stories about manga authors being forced to continue their series, dragging it out for longer than they originally wanted to because it's so popular.

What's to stop them just... not doing that?
Like I know it's a contractual obligation, but the mangaka obviously has all the cards here
>I want to end my series here, this is a good ending point for it. I want to move onto other work
>No you have to carry on, this series is popular, just make up another arc
>No
>Well we'll fire you! Or refuse to publish any further work!
>My work is popular, you're just throwing away money, let me end my series here and I'll make other works that are just as popular
As far as I can see, the publisher is in no position to force a popular mangaka to do basically anything, and any punitive action would just result in less money for themselves.

>>7688906
I guess if u are annoying to work with publisher can just decide to fuck you over in a future

>>7688912
There are many competing publishers in Japan that are all extremely popular, you can use that as negotiating pressure as well.
>If you won't publish my work, I'll just go next door

>>7688906
The only rational reason I can think of is that it's simply the culture of Japan to not challenge authorities. Even if their work made up 50% of the revenue of the compnay, they'll still tolerate being treated like shit and never leverage their position for better condtions

>>7688906
>let me end my series here and I'll make other works that are just as popular
this isn't a garantee though
look at Naruto's author

>>7688906
personally I prefer
>if you don't let me do this then i'm gonna kill myself
worked on my ex gf

>>7689050
>ex
evidently not too well

>>7688597
So when troubleshooting problems the first thing I do is eliminate the knowns. I've been using deleter paper for ten years until now without issue, so I'm not tempted to blame the paper itself. So then I test inks and compare them under normal conditions. Do they feed properly? Is it too runny or is it not running enough? Then the nib itself: Have I touched or brushed the nib on accident? How old is the nib? Did I use it fine before and now seem to get bad results suddenly? Lastly, am I retarded? Am I using my pens properly?

I have a bottle of Winsor to test against the ordinary Pilot on deleter 135kg and here are my results. I pressed moderately and got some slight feathering that was more noticible on the Winsor- but the difference is not stark. When I look at the test lines you've drawn, they are heavy, they appear to be done with a small brush. I think when you lay it on thick like this, the quality will just seem much worse than if you'd used them lightly. A tiny bit of feathering is normal, but no one will see it or be distracted by it.
People have told me my art looks clean, but it's funny because i'm constantly seeing everything up close and zooming in on every mistake so I know how messy it really is. We are just used to the professional presentations of the masters, but we don't get to look at their raw manuscripts from two inches away. The slight irregularities of analogue can be confusing I think, for someone who isn't used to seeing it up close and personal.

>>7688881
See you here when you're 40, friend. :)

>>7689057
>>7688596
>>7688597

I've done 400+ pages of Oswald on deleter, and found it couldn't handle some inks without feathering, but also some packs were just bad batches. I've had a pack where all the sheets in one quadrant would feather if I wasnt careful. For me though, deleter ink doesn't seem to feather, but it's thick, and ph Martin is great. Pilot would always feather on deleter for me, and noodlers no-feather black is the worst ink I've ever used. When I switched to IC to test, I get 0 feathering even when laying down thick lines with lots of pressure. So I've been using IC since

mad respect to people who draw on actual paper. I'd crash out if I didn't have my CTRL Z

>>7688906
Japanese work culture, it's basically a softened military where chain of command is obeyed end of question.
Even Toriyama had to pitch Dragon ball before they let him stop Dr Slump. To these publishers if you can't do the work you get axed and the next guy in line steps up, simple as.

>>7689190
Anon, we have erasers

>>7689243
I CTRLZ every line tho

>>7689057
Do people actually like this fat character of yours? Not saying it because he is fat but sometimes I feel tired of how much time you spent in building this character and it leads to nowhere. At first he was fine and did his role but now I dont know what is the point of him anymore and I think his drama is not as interesting as the journey of our two protagonists. But I just finished the goat arc so maybe I will have a surprise?. Very good arc btwbbut I think you dragged that fight unecessary, but I can see the emotional appeal of it so I guess it's fine.

>>7689298
I'm guessing self insert

Managed to get a lot done this weekend!

>>7689298
i think the real issue is that the artist isn't commiting. the design is like conventionally attractive generic anime male. most fattys portrayed in jap media dont have those features. they are usually always homely and/or straight jp ugly.
Japs are historically quite ruthless to people who are even a little bit fat

>>7689476
also I just realised you were mostly talking about the character, but I stopped reading really early so I cant speak of that really

>>7689243
apparently most mangokus use a shit load of white-out so take of that as you will

>>7689362
>made in Japan
You've made it!

>>7689185
I just never really noticed, or maybe i'm lucky here? I just started using IC. I'm pleased with it and the guides are nice and crisp. I'm just not feeling like it's drastic leap but I could see it looking closely.

>>7689298
You could say these are...

Needless Worries >:)

Made a character sheet for this little girl. She'll be a character in my manga and I'm also gonna use her as my mascot for social media. Her name is Chika.

>>7688893
>r*ddit might be more up your speed zoom zoom
self congratulatory jerkoff shit like going "ZOMG IM SO FUCKING COOL FOR MAKING A WEBSITE MY IDENTITY" is literally what people make fun of reddit for tho, how is it any different to self identify as an oldfag than to call yourself a high upvotes reddit gold redditor or whatever

>>7689666
kys, im not reading this

>>7689755
me dodging working on my comic

>>7689057
>We are just used to the professional presentations of the masters, but we don't get to look at their raw manuscripts from two inches away. The slight irregularities of analogue can be confusing I think, for someone who isn't used to seeing it up close and personal.
Hi, actually I have done this. When I visited my publisher's office they let me see the originals from a couple of different author's manga. Something I noticed about them is that they actually were still very very cleanly inked, or at the least guy I know for being especially clean with his inks (Zonda) were. But yeah, the inks don't actually have to be perfectly clean, because that stuff isn't visible in the final work anyway.

>>7689765
>dodging working on my comic

Final page complete, just need to implement editor feedback and the book will pretty much be done. After this I could potentially draw a couple more illustrations just to fill a couple pages at the end of the book, write an afterword and then it's up to me how much redrawing I want to do of previous pages for the book's release. Definitely looking forward to taking a good few months break.

>>7689875
Nice art, congrats bud

>>7689875
one book makes you that much money?

>>7689879
Thanks.

>>7689983
Huh? What do you mean?

>>7689990
enough to make a few months break from drawing?

>>7689991
Oh. I dunno yet, I won't get royalties from it until next year some time. I'm getting inheritance soon, otherwise yeah I would probably go straight into the next work.

Why is Ashley Wood the only one who is allowed to draw comics with a parallel pen?

>>7689268
The best part of erasers vs ctrl z, is that you can see the last outline, so sometimes i completely erase a sketch, and then draw the lineart from the outline and it gets to be cleaner
>>7689481
White-out for ink, erasers for those blue pencils or black ones

>>7689766
Nice.
I remember seeing a post with one of Yotsuba&'s raw manuscript only to be really amazed at the amount of whiteout used. On the other hand there are still better people who seem to do things perfectly anyway. I've always been a poor inker, my fingers are stiff and a little arthritic (from drawing) so being told it looks clean is a compliment I should take since I never feel too good about it.

I can't help but notice lots of little errors even in the works of professionals, but to me it's a nice reminder that for all it's worth a human worked hard to grow the skill and spirit to make these things.

How do you make something look like it's made of glass with ink?

>>7690249
Post what you want to do ot what you have, also look into inking tutorials, there's a good ones on yt, that might help

>>7690251
Well I want to design a living butterfly that is completely made of glass, but I'm not getting any good results. Youtube only shows glass pen tutorials and I can't find any close references for what I'm looking for.

>>7690019
Never heard of one, now i want to try it out

>>7690264
Try looking at Swarovski

>>7690329
Thank you for the suggestion, these look great.
I changed up what I was searching up as well, I found some other stuff that was closer to what I was looking for. That being a blown-glass looking kind of body.
Now I'll try and search if there's good references or tutorials to inking rounded glass objects.

Im working on my own font for Altarusia. What do you think?
Second panel you can compare

>>7690848
hmm it's really hard to judge just two panels. Remember, sequential art is all about the big picture. Maybe post the entire page so people can give a better take

>>7690848
It's admittedly a bit hard to read anon, not gonna lie, especially conpared to conventional "comic" fonts.

this was a commission I got from around a year ago. they were a fan of FKMT and wanted something drawn in his style

. I dont think i got the art style down too much but the client was pretty happy

>>7691214
Those ざわs look a lot more like ざホs.
You got pretty close to to the style though.

>>7691214
I love me some Kaiji, but I find it funny that anyone would want a commission in his art style.
It's ugly by design.

>>7691207
Yeah I will try to make it a bit more big and outlined. But in general I liked it

Are there any other decent comic youtubers aside from the likes of David Finch/Rob Marzullo? I love David Finch but he's very same-facey. And Rob bores me to sleep/also has the sameface issue.

That's my problem with youtube tutorials, they show ONE generic example and never show variations most of the time.

I know of Terry Moore but his stuff is always pre-drawn.

>>7691364
Tutorials are only useful for showing how to use tools, not for how to draw. Thats 100% just observation.

what do you think is a good amount of speed lines?

>>7691391
yikes...

>>7691391
>uhh why dont any professionals post here??

>>7691627
>>7691683
whats your problem?

>>7691391
Pretty based, but I think maybe more or more clearly defined movement lines on the guys arm ripping though

>>7691764
yeah, I was trying different things but it felt like it was covering/taking away from the subject matter. definitely need to work on action/movement lines and conveying impact.

>>7691740
12 year old tier subject matter, you feel like an edgy teen relying on the juxtaposition of a high effort shitpost for laughs and attention

>>7691992
damn u are such a nigger

>>7691391
I can't even look at this without seeing that dumb Jeb Bush meme.

>>7691995
xddd gouys!! goys!! i said NIGGER!!! (freakin based!) and uhh um i drew this guy punching a hole inside this dude while saying NIGGER!!(isnt that freakin' sick?) guys?? whats going on...i saw that tiktok video about 4chan being based and redpilled...why isn't everyone drawing people killing NIGGERS???...awww man!!

>>7691999
checked

am I just too beg to understand the power of brushes, but how is this not the most powerful arttool in existence? I swear the lines this makes are beautiful, whereas every brush I try is so hard to control, and just blots every 2 seconds. Maybe its an ink thing too, cause I'm not a fan of G-pens too

>>7692007
sorry tyrone

>>7692007
nigger website

>>7692022
apology accepted.

>>7692007
>guy punching a hole inside this dude
damn I guess the guy's heart in his hand gets lost in the movement, Maybe I should've made it more defined.

>>7692019
*sigh*
You know the drill, anon
post your art or gtfo

>>7692029
you should, maybe an outline of sorts or something, nothing too much though. and please draw a more acceptable subject matter, /mmg/ needs good optics so that when I(me) inevitably become the most famous greatest artist of our generation, i wont be cancelled for coming here

>>7691391
You must be at least 18 years old to post here.

>>7692174
you must also be white

>>7692174

12 yr olds are still in summer vacation cringe goofballs are to be expected.

>>7692190
>t.

>>7692223
I dont speak salami

>>7692204
I wish I could draw like that at 12

>>7680483 (OP)
Can a manga contest's judges disqualify your submission for containing "inapproriate" materials?
I'm making a one-shot for Young Jump's seinen manga contest.
https://youngjump.jp/seinenmangataisho.shueisha/

My one-shot contains 2-4 pages gang-rape scene in it.
The explicity level is something akin to Wolf Guy's.
https://xbato.com/title/58504-wolf-guy-ookami-no-monshou/993567-vol_8-ch_76

The submission website doesn't state what sort of content that is prohibited for submission, so the worst case scenario for now is they could asked me to revise or to remove the gang-rape scene if I won the contest.
IF I won.

The mangaka of Sundome Milky Way, Kaguya-sama, and Tokyo Ghoul once joked about "4-pages sex scene rule" saying that it's OK to depict sex for as long it's not continously or consecutively drawn for more than 4 pages.
https://x.com/funatsukazuki/status/1096068211152285696

However, referencing a more recent example:
https://tonarinoyj.jp/episode/2550912965879572461
could indicate that Young Jump's editorial being more lenient with portraying sexual contents now.

But another case of Tsunashima Shirou's cancellation of Jinrouki Winvurga from Champion Red, and Oikawa Tooru who cancelled his own manga to then re-serialize it again in Akita Shoten's Young Champion so he can draw more lewder scene indicates that the censorship in the manga industry is getting tighter somehow.

But then there's another case of Hamada Kosuke's Re Cervin from Shogakukan's Big Comic Spirits. The absolute madman redrew the entire first tankoubon and add a sex scene that looks straight out of a eromanga.

Get a feeling so complicated.
Does anybody here have any experience or any connection with Japanese's editors regarding this topic?

>>7692359
> I assure you readers, the 4 page gang rape scene is critical the plot

>>7692366
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7AmUV2wGIY&t=8s

>>7692366
to be fair, nobody cares about Goblin Slayer's novel before it's manga adaptation

>>7690848
almost geting what I want. I just need the lines to be a little bit more spaced but the program decided to refuse doing it lol

>>7692359
There is a big difference between an established author and a contest entrant. Contests are used to judge the potential of professionals to be. Look at previous contests winners and ask yourself "did they also have sex scenes?" If the answer is no, scrap it.

>>7692391
cool, but why are some words capitalized while others aren't?

>>7681882
that looks like ai art from the horrible way the character turned around looks, it's extremely disformed like when ai art does fuck up.

>>7692990
Because ESL
>>7693011
Anon...

>>7692990
Still working on it. I changed a few letters to test something.
>>7693049
>ESL
What does that have to do with it?

>>7693107
Mixed cases in a word are incorrect and indicative of someone who does not speak or write English natively.
>THey say tHat spIrIts LOVE to wanDER on summER nigHTS

>>7680483 (OP)
>Robert Mc Kee Story (pdf)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHVqxD8PNq8

>>7692391
Looking nice altarusia anon, loving your panels here.
>>7693011
Anon, that was the point...

>>7693316
Very good movie. Everything by Charlie Kaufman is great. Dude maxed out his writing skill.

>>7692986
Thanks for your suggestion.
After doing some diggings, there were works with explicit nudity, graphic gore, and yuri sex.
It seems like anything goes for as long as it's interesting.
There was Erotic Manga category but unfortunately nobody won that.
Another unfortunate thing is how the grand price winner didn't get their published because the editors deemed its content "inapproriate".
Welp, after all things considered, it's go big or go home for me then.

Is the lineart too thin here? I plan to colour it instead of inking.

>>7694100
Thin? No, if anything I would call it thick.
But then again I'm no good with color so I don't know how it will translate

>>7692007
kek

Thumbnail (minus title) for my webtoon.

>>7692359
rape scenes in general manga are so much hotter than any ero manga

>>7694633
very striking, good job

>>7694659
Is the woman german?

>>7694633
This goes hard.

>>7694633
not to be a hater but as soon as I see that western attempt to draw anime-ish, I immediately close the tab. There is just something so off-putting and unsightly about it. Funnily enough, when japanese artists emulate westoid styles, it always looks goated

>>7694683
>>7694759
danke
>>7694771
No man I get it. I never really thought I had an anim-ish style.
I've tried to be strictly western.
Noodle arms & legs, 4 fingered hands, etc.
I don't have any anime artists I consider influences. I guess this general is influencing me. I can't escape

>>7694742
No, Ukrainian.

>>7694771
NTA but nothing about it looks anime styled at all to me. Like, at all.

>>7694892
that guys a troll, we have some weird crabs here that dedicate their time to spreading misery for some reason.

>>7694898
>crab
you are too sensitive anon, the guy probably just assumed that the people who post in /mmg/ are posting Japanese-inspired art; that doesn't mean they are being malicious.

Done.
For the record this was based on an an old italian poster, don't see how it would ever be misconstrued with anime, but then again I don't know enough anime.

>>7694987
>>7694898
>>7694892
maybe because you're posting in the MANGA MAKING GENERAL
stop crying already, if one rando comment makes you seeth this much, you unironically ngmi

Rike, guys i want my manga to like exactly like a modern Japanese shonen manga. How to do it?
Should i study modern popular manga hard, to become familiar with the shape language and linework? Or what?
When i start drawing in my own style, it looks too western.

>>7695146
I've looked at alot of manga, and at alot of western comics.
There's a bunch of things that they do differently which are completely separate from the art itself
>panel gutters
in manga they vary in width, in comics they are all the same
>speech bubbles
in manga they almost never break the panel border, in comics they frequently do
>speed lines and sfx
in manga they are used liberally, even for unimportant moments, in comics they are almost never used except for important moments

I'm not trying to make a comics vs manga debate, what I'm trying to point out is that... these things are innocuous. It makes very little difference whether the speech bubbles break the panel borders or not.
What this highlights is that there is clearly no interaction between the two industries.
Comic artists are not looking at manga, and manga artists are not looking at comics, they are isolated.

>>7695194
cont
However what is most unusual is that... even when a western comic artist is clearly a big aime fan, and have no interest in western comics. Their western "manga" often still carries many of the habits of western comics in it, such as the gutter spacing, etc.

I don't know why this happens, but it's evident that it does happen, and so you should guard against it if you want your "manga" to look like manga.
Study what manga looks like very closely. Compare it to things that are not manga and see the differences. Comparisan is good for highlighting these differences that would otherwise go unnoticed.

>>7695195
anime*

>>7695194
Western comics come from the tradition of book illustration, and newspaper strips.
Both of them required putting as much information in a single picture as possible, since page space was limited. A lot of people don't know that newspaper comics used to be actual serialized stories and not just 4koma-style gags.
Add to that, the fact that the majority of Western comics are written by someone other than the artist, usually someone who isn't an artist at all. These writers have no idea about panel spacing, scene composition, etc, so they do not write to accommodate the medium. They write as if they are writing a television script or a novel, and the artists have to make due. This is why you have panels crammed with words words words, including narrator boxes, internal monologue boxes, on top of regular drawn-out dialogue (often in the middle of characters performing actions where they could not be holding a conversation at the same time)

Manga, on the other hand, comes mostly from watching animation and movies and trying to translate that experience to drawings. From old Disney cartoons to classics, all the great mangaka of history were avid movie fans who regularly visited theaters to get inspiration.

>>7695195
Gotcha, but im not American, i meant that my art looks like European Academic art, not necessary American comics.
But overall i think you right, i will have to study manga art, probably even whole pages with bubbles, fonts etc.
Modern shon jump manga has a distinct look to it.
Its digital, its somewhat sloppy and sketchy with emphasis on action.
I think CSM, JJK and this one sword manga are 3 very distinct modern SJ mangas right now.
If i could land somewhere between this 3, it would assure that im not to derivative to one of the titles but at the same time, that im part of this modern style.

>>7695287
>i meant that my art looks like European Academic art
post it

>>7695287
Get a copy of the "shonen jump guide to making manga". Gutter spacing in manga has thinner vertical and thicker horizontal gutters, usually layed out in rows of 3 or 4. This is done so reading order is clear. If you stripped out the art and just looked at the panels of manga you could probably figure out which order you are supposed to read (based on Japanese reading order of top to bottom,l right to left). There's also a bigger emphasis on page turns and action/reaction panels. Look into komawarii too. SS manga on youtube has a couple good 101 beginner videos as examples.
>>7695260
To add to this, when you learn how to draw Western comics you usually start with anatomy, perspective, gesture, composition, etc like you would with an illustration. David Finch's guide is a good example of this. Dialogue and writing aren't really integrated into the artwork. This comes from the illustration/picture book tradition.
Not to say that one's better than the other, just that they're different. There's definitely artists out there who pull from traditions (Hiroyuki Imaishi for example has a couple doujinshi with western characters, OTR of the flame pulls from Nordic and European lore and rendering style, Scott Pilgrim has a very heavy manga influence, etc).

>>7695718
Good stuff. Can't wait till I'm good enough to make my own tutorials.

6~ Hours worth of work

>>7696194
Anon why... and why does the ward's streets not make any sense? Is it supposed to be haphazard like a favela/shantytown was made without any planning?

>>7696194
Have you not seen a map before?

>>7696194
Still easier to navigate than LA

>>7696194
Cool Pac-Man maze, bro.

>>7696342
Peak male gaze

I’ve been slowing down on my comic to focus more on figure drawings and other studies to try and improve. Looking at some of my 2 recent pages, what areas do you think i should focus on?

>>7696377
Nips are such lazy cunts, they place their manga in Tokio, where they live, who they can trace photos for background’s, names are ultra basic like Sakura or Kishimoto, names of monsters are from folklore. Imagine being American, your protags name is John Smith and he is fighting against Dracula and Soiderman…

Me on the other hand… before i can start with the 1 chapter i have to come um with soooo much shit.
Name of the magic world, name of the city, name for the manga itself and the title card for it. My 3 main chars are from 3 different races, i need to find a different style of naming for each. I need to come with an architecture style for the magic world. The story is placed in a magic school, i need to come up with uniform designs for the kids and teachers…
Its a looot of concept work before i can even start. I wish i could have such low standarts too and place my story about Takeshi-kun in Tokio. I could just trace google street view… and the only thing i would have to come up with is the color of mcs hair.

>>7696377
Line economy

>>7696445
Oh sorry four quoting you, was unintentional

>>7696445
some of the best manga of the last 50 years took place in fictional worlds, with unique names, languages and histories. I know because those are the only manga that I can stomach
reading. unless you want to split hairs whether something has even a little bit of jap shit in it.

one piece, DRAGONBALL, akira, toriko, cowboy bebop, attack on titan, JoJo, fist of the north star, HunterxHunter, FULL MOTHERFUCKING METAL ALCHEMIST, berserk, Big O, 7 deadly sins (yes it counts) D.Grey Man

then you got jap adjacent stuff like one punch man, naruto, gintama, death note bleach and woodcutting tool man.

when looking at the absolute state of modern manga and anime, its easy to be demoralised. but what we are seeing now is what I like to call a "talent drought" where talentless newcoming artists feed off of low quality art and outweight the truly gifted and inspired by money driven publishers and marketers.
The only way to combat this trend is for the ingeneous and brave to put their works out so that they might inspire others to make things of quality as well. Because at the moment trash pnly begets trash

>>7696445
If there's anything pro manga authors are, it ain't "lazy".

>>7696458
Manga always were primarily just set in modern japan. You're talking about exceptions, not the norm. This "talent drought" you refer to isn't new either, it's how it has always worked. It's only because the forgettable trash of the past was forgotten that things look like they used to be better.

>>7696467
point is, the "best" stuff came from japs who "knew more" when confronting the phrase "weite about what you know". the factor is breaking the mould, and to do that, one must "know more" than your peers

>>7696475
sorry about my typos im not drunk I turned off autocorrect so i can type slurs

>>7696257
>>7696295
>>7696359
Well I was trying to make it pedestrian focused city with 2 lane roads.

Will grim dark edgy stuff ever come back? It has lost any popularity it seems. People wont manga with a lot of colors and happy people. But my art style naturaly tends to be dark and edgy, not cartoony.

>>7696489
What's stopping you from bringing it back?

>>7696489
>Will grim dark edgy stuff ever come back?
The second it does, some of the anons here are primed to skyrocket! Any day now..... you just wait, any day at all..... ;_;

>>7696194
pure autism
did you really need to put 6 hours into this? is this contributing to your story?

>>7696194
Imagining all my little Impressions games peddlers trying to navigate this.

>>7696489
Wasn't CSM just the most popular manga in the world for a minute?

>>7696556
CSM isn't really grim dark or edgy
its just gory and gross at times
its shonen but with more blood guts and boobs

>>7696563
Blood, gore, guts and boobs is pretty much the definition of edgy and grimdark. Shonen has nothing to do with it.

Do you mean an actual MATURE manga? Because "edgy" is decidedly immature and for teenagers.

Mature manga are never going to be on top since adults do not make up a majority of the readership. You can aim for a seinen magazine but it will never reach the heights of a shonen one.

>>7696565
im not the anon that draws grimdark stuff btw
i don't like the term "edgy" to describe media but I more or less understand what people mean when they use the term
to me CSM is just too upbeat, has to much comedy and doesn't take it self too seriously to really be grimdark or edgy in the same way that people use those terms to describe stuff like Claymore, Freesia, Berserk, Punpun etc
but thats just how I feel about it

>>7680483 (OP)
My friend made this comic for a manga contest (I'm posting this on his behalf since his IP range is banned), unfortunately he couldn't finish it in time. they announced the winners and we've been discussing his chance of wining if he finished in time. Me and my friends said the ending is a bit cheesy but he insists otherwise, also there's this shoot out sequence and we feel the paneling is a bit confused but he thinks we're just retarded.

Also feel free to critique his art and writing.

>>7696583
Forgot the fucking link
https://x.com/Fzenovi/status/1899453930146345401

>>7696583
Looks like it will appeal to adult furfags, but no one else

>>7696485
The difference between this map and yours is that the real shibuya allows for a sensible passage THROUGH it without having to wind around. It shows a clear main road with roads branching off and backstreets branching off those. Yours is an incoherent web of random shit.

For example in pic you have what looks like it's supposed to be an arterial road, except for some reason it's broken up by buildings placed right in the middle so the road has to go around it. Nonsense. You might as well have designed a river that flows uphill.

>>7691391
cooked up another one

>>7696583
Hello. I did win a short story contest and here are my thoughts- I think the art here is great so I have little to say about it other than my own tastes and nitpicks, however on the story side once I got past the talent show I began to question "What are we doing here?" After 10 pages I was under the realistic expectation that this was the central plot knowing nothing else other than it being a short story. When it moved on to something outside the initial scope that left me feeling confused about what it was supposed to be about. I think what people seem to miss when trying to write one shot stories is that they don't understand how to bill it as self contained, and usually this problem stems from clinging too hard to pre established worlds or characters (often repurposed) with much more going on than 20-30 pages (or lower) can share space in. 14 pages just to show a character is a fuck up is too much.

This can also have the unintended effect of feeling like it's too long, even if the world and characters are interesting.
He has to trim the fat. You can show much more with less, that's not to say everything has to be succinct BUT when you understand how to deliver a point effectively in a few pages as opposed to a dozen you also get more room to say more if there are more important scenes to focus on.
This is precisely how the entrants in the contest I participated were judged. Even when the art and characters seemed very interesting or were drawn expertly, they often failed on being written as tightly as they should and therefore didn't place.

>>7696194
> Shibuchu Ward map.png
Its autism rage bait made with ai, am i right? Otherwise, im speechless.

>>7696735
Do you have a comic or manga ongoing?

>>7696583
I knew I recognized that doll.
It was posted on the OC redraw thread a year or two back. I think he was with all the FNF fags that were soft raiding us.

Anyway I digress. His art is looks great, the paneling flows very well, and the backgrounds are equally as good. It's really good.
I just don't like furries, so I didn't take time to read anything in it.

>>7696583
Arts pretty good, writing is a bit bloated (like the other anon said there's plenty of fat to trim). The panelling on page 2 and 11 was confusing, it switches between horizontal and vertical reading. I think it's a solid effort that could use some more work.

>>7696583
forgot to mention, some of the dialogue screams ESL and needs revised.

>>7696735
bullied at school energy ts

>>7696735
cringe

>>7696563
lol CSM is the definition of grimdark edge. Literally first couple chapters is a mopey dude who gets hacked into pieces and then gets the power to get back at all the people who wronged him.

CSM feels like it is 3/4ths the way to being an Eastern version of Image's Spawn.

>>7696194
the things faggots will do to avoid actually working on their project>>7696257

This loaf of bread was eaten up pretty fast. New bread can be found at:
>>7697043

>>7696735
Zero action, no movement or energy at all. Your force shapes are weak.

>>7696742
>>7696517

I unironically sat up all night in MS Paint to make it because I wanted to visualize the city layout better but now I'm being told it's shit and I'm gonna have to do it again.

>>7696787
Nice, honestly your best looking page yet.

>>7696940
>CSM feels like it is 3/4ths the way to being an Eastern version of Image's Spawn.
Yeah, in everything but tone. What stops it feeling edgy to me is the slightly tongue-in-cheek action movie feel it has. Compared to something like Happy Tree Friends where the violence and gore is trying to shock you, CSM feels much more like the author watched Terminator and Pulp Fiction and wanted to make that. What violence there is serves a purpose in the story, not in the meta-goal of being shocking to an audience who is expecting a family friendly experience.