The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.

Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.
Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).
Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.

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Some resources:
/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asg

Books:
Understanding Comics
https://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/
Making Comics
https://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255d
Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
https://annas-archive.org/md5/2877da11e2f852d220853e9944e6ea49
Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting
https://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/
Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga
https://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdf
The Shonen Jump Guide to Making Manga
https://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6Wpg

Videos:
"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"
Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videos
Manben link can be found on archive.org on different pages separated by season: https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1bu9f0y/found_all_of_naoki_urasawas_manben_and_manben_neo/
Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videos

OP image is from Ten Tenhou-doori Chapter 151.

>>7680483 (OP)
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/))
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7680484
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7680485
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

How do i write the manga cringe humor?

>>7680489

>>7680489
Try and write regular humor, and it will just come out as cringe.

>>7680489
Ywnbf

How the girls see themselves....

>>7680647
... and the cruel reality.

This was the last of the pairings pics. I've been commissioned to do a private artwork so I'll be working on that for a small bit. Seems like doing these pictures turned into something more. After that, I plan to start storyboarding Chapter 5.

How the girls see themselves....

>>7680687
... and the cruel reality.

>>7680692
And a final lineart because why not.
This is the last of the pairings pics. I've been commissioned to work on a private artwork, so I'll be working on that for a little bit - seems like doing these little side drawings paid off after all. After I'm done with that, I'll start working on storyboarding chapter 5.

>>7680687
Buddy I don't know how you can do color.
I spent hours coloring everything in and I wanted to blow my brains out.

>>7680489
Write regular humor. Then pretend they are manga characters.

Does anyone have any advice or even books on paneling/creating interesting panel layouts? I feel like my panel layouts often end up very uninteresting or are not reaching their full potential.

>>7680489
you can't, you can only write genuine humor and it becomes cringe later. otherwise you become a tryhard which is the worst kind of humor.

>>7680711
>Buddy I don't know how you can do color.
I'm going to be honest with you, I still feel like I have no goddamn idea what I'm doing when I'm coloring about 80% of the time.

>>7677881
posting page

>>7680711
stop thinking about color, and start thinking about values. Anything you do can do with color, you can do with just greys, so learn shading with greysscale.

>>7680489
prepubescent girl falls ass-first on male character's dick = comedy gold

female character's bra/top unrealistically flies off, character turns red and screams = stand up legend

female character gets angry at male character and commits felony level assault and battery = king of all comedy

you now understand the eclectic world of jap humour

>>7680711
i got a cheat for you. use pastel colors and desaturate by 10%... then just use the fucking color theory chart

>>7681034
that's a pretty funny shitpost. now make a manga

>>7681032
It's not just that, it's picking colors. If I made this shirt blue, the pants shouldn't be blue. And the chair they are sitting on probably shouldnt be blue, etc etc.
>>7681043
ty

How long did it take you to reach a professional skill level purely in terms of artwork and overall draftmanship?
I'm purely working on that alongside visual storytelling due to my beg ass shit drawings while putting writing quality aside, and I just hope to put out something presentable between 2028 and 2030

>>7680489
the real secret is manga/anime humor is just sitcom humor but worse. have characters overreact to everything. make them say "EEEEHHHHHH???" and autistically screaming and draw big googly eyes and point out very obvious things so the reader understand what to laugh at.

>>7681078
>characters overreact to everything. make them say "EEEEHHHHHH???" and autistically screaming and draw big googly eyes and point out very obvious things
Don't forget that everyone should also fall over when a character makes a bad joke or a pun. And when they get up they should have either a giant sweat drop, a giant angry vein line, or perhaps even a cartoon bandage to show they got hurt by the fall!

>>7681076
>How long did it take you to reach a professional skill level purely in terms of artwork and overall draftmanship?
You are gonna have to define explicitly what you mean by "professional" here. There is a huge divide between what is acceptable to be published in the industry sense, and what is considered /pro/ tier artwork by anons on /ic/ (and you better fucking believe crabs will absolutely come out of the woodwork to make sure you know that your artwork isnt /int/, let alone /pro/, Vilppu forbid.).

>>7681110
do you even like manga

>>7681118
>You are gonna have to define explicitly what you mean by "professional" here.
Creame of the crop higher end twitter/NSFW artists like Eigaka and TheGoldenSmurf. Not sure if it will be harder or easier to try reaching their skill level comlared to the average weekly mangaka tho

Does anyone have like 3- 4 idea's for series' that you haven't gotten anywhere near drawing anything for. I have an idea for a soccer manga that has actual football and not like shounen battle moves masked cosplaying as football like in Blue lock and Captain Tsubasa and it would start with the MC making their professional debut in the J-league rather than the Youth teams and follow their career season by season. I figured it would focus on the drama of the season, of course (struggles to win a trophy) the MC struggling to adapt to the top level, how they have to work hard to improve as a player and the struggles of fame and expectation. Then a move to Serie A (I'd have some hybrid 90's 2000's Serie A that has all the best players) and the realization that while he might have been one of the best players in the J-league in european football he's a nobody who has to switch positions because he's just can't be a winger in Serie A, like I want him to eventually become an Elite player but, nothing ridiculous and over exaggerated like the next Ronaldo. I'm also thinking of incorporating real life football heritage into it, like maybe Messi, or a fake messi bursts on to the scene and the MC and his team have to figure out how to nullify him so they can win the Champions league like irl Inter-Milan did when they won the treble and Prime cold rainy Stoke city. And of course dealing with teammates you can't gel with, good teammates and friends who get sold, Maybe even being sold against his will and Teammates or even rivals getting career ending injuries. And by the end I think he'll have won like 3 or 4 big trophies (each trophy campaign will be an arc) and be the captain of the Japan national team and be the best player in Japanese history (and be like a well respected player in europe) I'm not really that into sports manga, I usually find if quite cringe and stupid but, I do enjoy irl football so, I wanna translate all the things that make the actual sport great into manga

>>7681134
Why don't you try asking eigaka and goldensmurf?

>>7681146
You won the wall of text in /mmg/ history

>>7681185

>>7681185
damn, thought it would be me but nope. Can't do anything right lmao

>>7681146
I have a ton of ideas I like to think about but will never draw because I'm untalented, old, and stupid. At this point I've resigned myself to this fact, that I'm just a sad pathetic idea guy who has to watch others live out their dreams of succeeding at drawing comics while I die a lonely poor death. It's still fun to think about these ideas though.

>>7681076
>>7681134
Sorry, do you see any "creme of the crop twitter/NSFW artists like eigaka and TGS(LOL)" here? Why the fuck are you asking how long it took these random not-comic artist illustrators to reach their level in THIS thread of all places? This has the stench of a question asked to annoy, not to actually get an answer.

>>7681207
You haven't seen the why aren't webcomics as good as eigaka threads?

>>7681146
I have a handful of stories I can fall back on, but some people are more comfortable not committing to being a longform author, and some are. I'm just in the latter group.

>>7681207
I'm gonna assume this is the same lowly guy who keeps making these goldensmurf threads literally every week.

>>7681121
i like things that are actually funny

>>7681532
looks good. Dont see to paper from you

>>7681629
is this NTR?

How tf do I come up with character designs I actually like? Any insights on how you guys settle on a design would be appreciated.

>>7681207
>do you see any "creme of the crop twitter/NSFW artists like eigaka and TGS(LOL)" here?
Why is nobody aiming to make comics with similar art quality and instead always use the same "B-But muh storytelling is more important" excuse? Fundamentals and appeal aren't that hard to learn if you try hard enough yet literally almost nobody over this thread surpasses low int level at the very best, sometimes justified with weird excuses like this.
Both art and writing should be important, but very few people over here seem interested in reaching higher skill levels regarding the former at all.
Pic related, what I actually consider on the mid/higher intermediate tier and actually acceptable skill level to start a comic at without using higher level professionals like Smurf or Eigaka. 95% of people over this thread can't draw as well as this either.

>>7681700
you can start by finding designs you like for reference

>>7681708
No one cares about your two random porn artists that you just cannot shut up about, and you're one of the types who does nothing but sling exceedingly thin insults wrapped in paper thin "advice," when you know all you're doing is being inflammatory.

>>7681700
I usually start with the utility of the design. Think about what they'll be doing in the story and the types of poses they'll be making and how I can enhance that with their outfit / silhouette.

>>7681719
The insults are getting way harsh. In the past they called us begs now is low int. Even our haters have to admit our improvement Xd

>>7681728
*Way less harsh

>>7681708
>Why is nobody aiming to make comics with similar art quality
Because that's a retarded goal? Most people are trying to tell stories, not draw the most immaculate, overrendered 10 pages you've ever seen. Same reason most people are trying to make the next Bernie Wrightson's Frankenstein illustrations... because that's a whole lot of work for not a whole lot of work. You may as well be asking why actual pro manga authors at the top of their industry aren't aiming to make comics with a similar art quality. Because that's not what the goal is. And one is clearly more successful than the other.
>yet literally almost nobody over this thread surpasses low int level at the very best
Wrong.

>>7681736
>Same reason most people are trying to make the next Bernie Wrightson's Frankenstein illustrations
*aren't

>>7681708
>yet literally almost nobody over this thread surpasses low int level at the very best
At least six (possibly eight) anons here are very, VERY clearly past low-/int/. I cant say where they actually are as frankly the whole powerlevel thing is vague and masturbatory as all hell, but they clearly aren't only low-/int/.

>>7681645
what a mystery

>>7681760
Not that schizo, but list them, I'm curious

>>7681707
>top panel

>>7681708
i can tell you're never actually gonna create anything in your life

>>7681707
The dude's expressions and general facial anatomy are just too goofy to take seriously. There's no real threat behind them, just looks like an autist acting out in public being weird.

>>7681832
>looks like an autist acting out in public being weird.
Not McBurg anon, but isn't that kind of the whole point? Like what, people touched by the 'tism can't also go postal at their workplace?

>>7681843
>it's bad on purpose
Has never been able to save something bad and always been a cope for someone who doesn't want to admit a mistake.
If I point out that a character's arm is drawn out of proportion and anatomically wrong, you go:
>So what you think people with weird arms don't exist??
Sure they do but that's clearly not what was intended, and your defensive reasoning will not be convincing any potential readers who bounce off your mistake.

There is no menace or threat in the way that character is drawn, it is not conveying the intent effectively. Unless you're saying we're supposed to be cringing and laughing at the mcburg spaz? Is this a parody of horror instead of trying to play it straight?

>bro just spend 10 hours drawing each page and draw the same characters over and over and the backgrounds and the typesetting and bubbles and all the writing and
Fuck this shit, is there an AI for manga making?

>>7681859
Lol you don't even have a story, what are you even going to tell an AI to shit out?
>HELO GOOD MARNING CHATGPT PLEASE TO YOU MAKE THE MANGA JAPANESE COMICS FOR ME VERY GOOD
If you had a story you could just write it in prose form.

>>7681858
Who said it was bad?

>>7681859
https://perchance.org/ai-manga-generator
>Go! Saar Pajeet! Go and AI sloppa your manga to the extreme!
>I will! Thank you father!

>>7681770
No, nothing productive will come of it and if anything it'll just create pointless drama. I like /mmg/ the way it is, a semi-helpful community that somehow works overall.

>>7681873
Welp, this was terrifying.

>>7681882
>two more weeks!!!

>>7681873
this is really fun actually

>>7681645
What are you talking about?! They are normal high school students!

>>7681882
blog??

>>7681926

>>7681707
Post the page with the dude swinging the hammer behind the check, please.

>>7681707
I'm lmaoing because he looks like a titan/berserk Eva 01. Wouldn't surprise me if he literally ate someone on the next page. Really captures the minimum wage experience

>>7681708
Fuck off tumbler

>>7681873
>When you visit /mmg/ and there is no Drama

>tfw worked on my comic today at lunch
back to the wage cage

No contests going on anywhere?

>>7682157
I second this question. I have some downtime, and I've never done a oneshot.

>>7682009
>tfw AI crabbers are evolving. More pinchers to pull more people back down into the bucket.

>>7682168
https://medibang.com/contests/openList/

This site seems to have some listed, uncertain how up to date or how comprehensive it is.

>>7681708
I do like the art, but me personally I would have shown all that instead of write it out in huge text bubbles. I think when making comics, people start rationalizing and minimizing how much drawing they have to do. At least with me, I have this sense of urgency like "I gotta draw the good stuff asap, nobody wants to read a slow burn". While serialized manga already "made it" and proved their series deserved a shot, so they can take their time and have more chapters or scenes where "nothing happens", just observational panels.

From my observation, when you look at amateur comics posted here and other places, there's a lot of silent panels where you have to observe and follow the story, but with really really good artists that are already seasoned illustrators, its words words words words.

>>7680954

>>7683223
Nice panelwork!

>>7683226
I actually had a lot of trouble with this one. I had hoped to be given an easy page after the difficult page prior to it, but the dynamic action in this one demanded a tricky panel layout.

Good job at ganbarouing at your mangas mina San. you can take the rest of the weekend off. Banzai!

>>7683235
You can tell a lot of effort went into it, you did well bud

I'm stuck
This action scene is never going to fucking end. Five seconds spread over like 6 pages so far.

>>7683412
I hope you're not talking about my comic, because this is chase scene being long and silly is the whole bit

>>7683223
Yeah, I noticed the panel comp is clunky here but the action is conveyed really well all things considered, so that's awesome. When things start to feel weird or that actions are competing too much, I remember to consider restraining the page to two scenes only. Here you could do this by moving the last panel to the next page and that would accomplish a few positive things here: It would no compete with the jump action for space, it would free up room to adjust some other elements (the bubble placement on panel two, the direction of the fleeing thief) allow you to avoid strange panel compositions and add a nice cliff hanger.

The art of the page turn is how you get people to keep going. I don't consider it for every single page myself but this would be a considerable punch up.

>>7683412
Which comic are you? And an action scene takes as many pages as it (genuinely) needs to. Action scenes have to stretch out movements and things done much more as they can't just be quickly condensed like speech bubbles can with words. It's just how it is.

Question- are there any manga labels in Japan that fall outside of shonen/shojo/josei/seinen? I understand why targeted marketing is important for publishers and not bashing that but I don't feel comfortable keeping a specific audience in mind while writing/drawing. I realize that's got to be a minority opinion but surely there's other weirdos making manga in Japan? Also do they just not have basic serials with four quadrant appeal like Archie comics or Peanuts? How would they label Japanese-made stuff like that?

>came up with an idea that perfectly fills in a bunch of worldbuilding plot holes.

Worldbuilding is actually the funnest part of making anything. What are some pieces of lore you're proud of anon?

>>7684424
Uh oh time 2 sperg

>Be Castle
>Old Bastard Co-founder is a wizard
>Not just a wizard. THE Wizard.
>Castle makes drugs and shit like baby powder by running their underground research department to completely game the market
>Singlehandedly makes studying alchemy easier to access and more wide spread (if you know where to look)
>New magicians iterating on alchemical knowledge leading to a golden age
>30 years later
>"I did it! I made sigil writing completely retard proof!" T. Some retard
>Rat bastard calls this abomination "Lingo"
>It looks like this
>The Wizard says it smells like shit, because it is
>"YEAH BUT YOU'RE OLD YOU NEED TO ADAPT TO THE TIMES OR GET LEFT BEHIND"
>The Wizard warns that it ignores the fundamentals of magic as an art
>Warns that even a low intermediate magician can easily undo a Lingo seal
>Warns against spreading scientism infecting MAGIC. ARTS.
>"Okay we'll just use it for low level security!"
>They use it for "low level sec" i.e. people are sticking it on everything from doors to lunch bags

>Sirens start blaring out of nowhere one night
>"PLEASE EVACUATE CALMLY TO YOUR FLOORS DESIGNATED EXIT AREA"
>Some monster stomping around throwing his head against the walls and floors harder than a 260 lb autistic man literally squashing people and demolishing whole hallways
>"How could this happen?!"
>look at the wreckage

>It's fucking Lingo

Such is the life of a Castle employee

>>7684422
Yes, off the top of my head beam and ax are weirdo magazines. Beam is way more well known and published by kadokawa.

https://comic-walker.com/label/comicbeam/contents

And here are kadokawa magazines if you wanna skim around and see what kinds of things different magazines put out

https://comic-walker.com/label

>>7683223
>more weeb exposition jank

why did this character loudly announce the story behind the mcguffin? would she not already know that? wouldnt the better thing to do is establish the function of the mcguffin in an inconsequential scene well before hand? ya know, so that the audience can piece that together without the character autistically blurting it out?

>>7684647
Not him but this allows him to draw the character doing a cool thing (establishes their capabilities by showing them doing something) and show a facet of the character's personality (establishes that they're a bit of a doofus/hothead who forgets critical details in the moment by showing them doing just that), while maintaining an exciting chase sequence. Even ignoring that I don't think there were any prior scenes TO set up the macguffin because this IS the establishing scene, you'd lose the opportunity to do those two things at once. You have to think about WHY you would set things up in advance, and what you miss out on by doing so. It isn't necessarily always the better option.

>>7684658
you have two options here. you either take the time to establish things that need establishing, or you awkwardly have things happen at random.
We only miss out on things the author is too lazy to set up in advance. characterisation can happen without set up. random crap with special properties do need it. and there are much less clumsy ways of showing character traits.
I think some artists get too bogged down with hooking the reader with action scenes instead of being clever with setting things up, before the action starts

>>7684671
Anon you are calling somebody lazy for not setting something up in advance when there's only been 6 (SIX) pages of this comic. Where the fuck is he supposed to set this up prior? How do you know THIS isn't the prior establishment for some other development in the future? Again this is PAGE SIX. Not 600. Not 60. 6.

>>7684647
Maybe if he changes it to something like "the necklace 'still' blocked my fire from here?!" or something to show that it works without having to actively be used. Then the main character learns something new while also conveying old information to the reader through subtext.

>>7684599
Oh yeah, that's definitely way more my speed. Even recognize a few of those titles

>>7684647
This whole chase bit actually takes place a little while into the story. I decided to start here rather than the actual start of the series proper since I was having alot of trouble with writing the actual start.
In that sense... there is no introduction to the characters at all, I have not even mentioned their names.
It's mostly so I can give myself some practice in making a comic before diving in and potentially ruining the first chapter with some amateurish mistake

>>7684647
In terms of the necklace itself, whether it is reasonable or not for the character to forget its sole function in the heat of the moment... here is the timeline of events relating to it.
>character gets fire sword
>1 day later he is given the neclace, it is a protection charm to prevent him from burning himself with his newfound power of fire.
>2-3 days later they arrive in the city and he gets pickpocketted.
I imagine from his perspective, he got it, put it on, and didn't think twice about it. So it's possible that he could forget what it did, also what >>7684658 suggests, perhaps he's a bit of a hothead and forgets critical details

>>7684797
So he was given a magical necklace 2-3 days ago that protects him from the power of fire, and now he has no idea what it does anymore? That's not a being absent-minded or a doofus, that makes the MC functionally retarded as in never learns to speak in full sentences or tie his own shoelaces retarded. That's genuine brain damage tier

There's 0 chance you're presented with such a magical artifact and literally forget what it does a few days later unless you're going to draw him drooling and being walked by his caretaker.

Why are you trying to excuse such poor writing?

>>7684933
Not any of those anons but I have no idea why you have such a hard-on against this. It's completely fine for the character to briefly forget something like that in this situation because 1. it's not information the readers previously had and 2. it allows for a visual demonstration of both what the character can do and the necklace's effect.
As anons have already pointed out, this is the introduction for the character and for the necklace so it's honestly fine here. Actually an editor would almost certainly ask for the author to do something like this, because it simply is good storytelling. It conveys the character and the situation effectively, allows for something exciting to happen and keeps the pace up.
If this was later in the story and we already knew what the necklace did and such a mistake isn't providing the readers with any new information then yes it would be stupid to have this. But that isn't what is happening here. So many manga have similar things to this because it's effective. This IS good writing.
And no, the character briefly forgetting something isn't "genuine brain damage tier" any more than somebody forgetting their glasses on their face is "genuine brain damage tier". What an insane thing to say.

>>7681708
I agree with you. A lot of anons here aren't ambitious enough with their art and even their own stories. Some have stagnated in terms of skill. And many seem to stick to stories/content that doesn't require much effort to create. If you don't care about improving than whatever, but if you want to make it, you have to try harder...

>>7685742
This. You can't always "show don't tell", especially in manga where panel flow and drawing fatigue have to be considered. Plenty of established GOATs like Araki do exactly what they've done here for the sake of communicating minor information effectively.

The other poster is a classic case of "when you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail". He has some knowledge of writing and thinks it applies everywhere.

It's up!

>https://globalcomix.com/read/4d712484-05fb-4b3b-9886-6eec646f9111/1

>>7685834
Im reading

>>7685834
Nice! I like the way you draw girls, and the panel work and compositions are all very good.

>>7685834
hairyyuckykatana what??

>>7685819
>You can't always "show don't tell"

thats literally the point of a comic. and you actually unironically used "drawing fatigue" as reason to show important elements of a story.
and I wouldnt use generic manga artist as an example when this guy is USING the moronic anime tropes of generic manga artists

>>7684675
uh... the guys making the comic. stick it somewhere before the first page... he's allowed to do that

>>7684792
thats not a bad idea. but its hard to critique something i only have parts of. unless you just want drawing critique.

>>7686120
>thats literally the point of a comic
Even if I agreed that that was true, and I don't, it's still true that you can't always do it. It just isn't practical, and I can guarantee that you yourself are not always "showing not telling" in your own work. Assuming you even draw comics and aren't just here acting like an expert without any experience of your own.

>>7686120
t. doesn't actually draw comics
PYW and show us instead of telling us

>Araki a generic manga artist
Lmfao

>>7686148
>uuuuwwwwaaaa PYW!!!

no bitch

>>7686158
There it is, a no-draw idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about.

>>7686169
Could it have been anything else?

>>7685742
Simply being shown that somehow the necklace nullifies the fire is enough. The kind of autistic monologue shown in the anon's work going "HEY GUYS YOU NOTICED THAT RIGHT? DID YOU SEE THE NECKLACE NULLIFYING THE FIRE???" is cringe, and no editor in their right mind would tell you hey make your character sperg out for a moment here. Just because you can find examples of bad writing in published work doesn't mean it isn't bad writing, or that others should stick to that low standard.

>And no, the character briefly forgetting something isn't "genuine brain damage tier" any more than somebody forgetting their glasses on their face is "genuine brain damage tier". What an insane thing to say.

Forgetting where you put your glasses and what a very powerful magical relic you received days ago even do are two completely different things. Imagine a knight with a shield that protects him from dragon breath going "wait what is this slab of metal on my back? does it do anything? i don't know". That's like you forgetting what your smartphone does. Forgetting where your keys are and what your keys even do aren't comparable.

>>7686188
>no editor in their right mind would tell you hey make your character sperg out for a moment here. Just because you can find examples of bad writing in published work
What exactly makes you think those examples aren't there precisely because an editor requested it?

>>7686169
cry more pussy

Our hero's humble stump.

>>7686219
Having an editor means you are published
Do you seriously believe that anon is published?

>>7686234
Huh, apparently you misunderstood me. Let me rephrase.
In those published works you mention, what exactly makes you think those examples aren't there precisely because an editor requested it?
Because these sorts of things are precisely the kind of things editors ask to be added. I know my editor's asked me to do stuff like that a few times.

>>7680483 (OP)
Are there resources or courses that could help with panel composition or is that just something that comes with practice?

>>7686188
More brainless sperging. This is the kind of idiot that if you listen to him you'll actively hinder yourself.

>>7686243
Read enough comics and you just get a sense of it. Its intuitive.

If youre having trouble CSP comes with cmmon page layouts you can just fill in the panels

>>7686287
It's more like character placement inside the panel im thinking of, but yeah I don't read nearly enough manga, I'll do that for a bit

>>7686307
For that, watch movies to get framing and cinematography.

>>7686307
>>7686315
Also:

>>7686324
Ah perfect, thank you