Thread 7769940

The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.

Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.
Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).
Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.

Previous thread:>>7759985

Some resources:
/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asg

Books:
Understanding Comics
https://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/
Making Comics
https://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255d
Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
https://annas-archive.org/md5/2877da11e2f852d220853e9944e6ea49
Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting
https://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/
Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga
https://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdf
The Shonen Jump Guide to Making Manga
https://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6Wpg

Videos:
"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"
Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videos
Manben link can be found on archive.org on different pages separated by season: https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1bu9f0y/found_all_of_naoki_urasawas_manben_and_manben_neo/
Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videos

OP image is from The Callous Swordsman Chapter 4.

>>7769940 (OP)
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7769941
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7769942
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

>>7769940 (OP)
If your one-shot has had no legibility issues upon test reading to both avid readers and people new to the medium as a whole, but you've noticed that you could improve the art noticeably, should you try redoing the whole thing or just try and publish it and start working on things like the first chapter or a less ambitious project?

>>7769972
Unless you had a jump in artwork like going from ONE to Murata, I would just publish and move on to the next thing. Redos only beget the temptation for further redos.

>>7769596
Assuming you're using a nib, you have to practice dragging the nib facing away from you as opposed to pushing it. Some of that also involves some of that whole forearm movement stuff. If you're getting blobs of ink you are either A. Drowning the nib in too much ink or B. Pressing too hard. Ease up. That being said people tend to gravitate towards zebra G nibs, which I hate for being too flexible and also have a hard time using. They aren't a good beginner tool for the mechanically challenged.

>>7769996
What do you do for inkwells? I don't have a real one so I've just been putting some ink in a shotglass every time I need to use it, but I find that quite wasteful

>>7769996
>you have to practice dragging the nib facing away from you as opposed to pushing it. Some of that also involves some of that whole forearm movement stuff.
I mostly just use my wrists to move which might be a significant part of the problem. You're also right in that I'm pushing too deep into it. It takes me some amount of force to have control over my wrist movements so maybe moving more of my arm is a significant solution. I do also just dip the whole thing in ink lol.
>Zebra G nibs
Dang those are the ones I just ordered. I should be fine but they seemed the best in-terms of quality and affordability. There were some that were cheaper but I didn't find as good reviews.

>>7769998
I just dip it in the bottle.

>>7769984
It's not, and honestly my one-shot is more focused on the story and concepts than my actual drawing abilities. I thought that was the whole point of a one-shot, and then a publisher sees whether you're worth investing in or not to get things serialized or use you for something else.

I'm thinking I'll just apply some more shading throughout my works over all and just figure out the best way to showcase things. If I really want to showcase my current artistic abilities I can probably make do with just redoing the cover.

>>7769518
Oh i get that as well. I'm doing the same, keeping things hidden, my reasons are just more Christian in nature, but i understand where you're coming from and i think it's smart.
>>7769578
That's great! Looking forward to it!

>>7769998
>>7770031
Same I just use the bottle, I have a big 350 ml'er bottle and will just clean out the old spare inkwells real good and reuse them.
Zebra G's are really loosy goosy, but they mark buttery smooth and the flexibility can be great to alternate between very thin lines and thick ones but you have to be deliberate with your mark making. Here's my full toolkit btw, I prefer flexibility of using other things than just nibs, just whatever gets the job done the best.

>>7770063
Yeah. I knew going into this isn't the place to get story critique or really anything serious but I have to start somewhere. I've revealed more than I'm comfortable with honestly but I'm not someone who is particularly secretive and it's not really a big deal regardless.

>>7770079
Oh i understand. I hope you do good. Just make sure to do what you do with joy.

Not completely done with thumbnailing and sketching all pages for the next chapter yet, but at this point I just want a break from the mentally draining work and start inking some pages.

>>7770158
Impressive work Anon.

>>7770165
i dont think its his

Are we just being inundated with newfags or something?

>>7770158
great art, gj!

>>7770175
After people left due to the sharty hacks someone must have wished on a monkey's paw for the user count to rise.

>>7770119
I'll try and be less tense. I have a lot of things to be grateful for though I'm certainly further behind than I'd like to be. I might post something new, probably not since I am preparing to meet up with more people and actually getting involved in the industry so I'm not just rolling dice on random people online.

>>7770175
it's over, ic has fallen. it's time to migrate to tumblr

>>7770182
I'm proud of you for getting this far.

>>7770182
>>7770191
Can you guys stop making out and post some art?

>>7770210
Why so unpolite Anon?
Do you need some love too?
Come tell us your troubles, this is the healing part of the thread.
>post some art?
What little drawings i have suck but here, have a bird, my best work yet.

>>7770191
Genuinely appreciate it. I have further to go towards but I have something good and I should focus on that instead of what I'm not.
>>7770220
Cute cardinal. One of my first jobs involved me drawing birds.

>>7770226
>Genuinely appreciate it. I have further to go towards but I have something good and I should focus on that instead of what I'm not.
I wish you the best of luck and the best of focus.
>Cute cardinal. One of my first jobs involved me drawing birds.
Thanks!

>every second or third post is trip posting now
Ugh. I'll come back in two weeks.

>>7770256
>tripfags
>nomanga tripfags
>born again christian loser nomanga tripfags moralfagging against porn and trying to convince our most successful anon to sabotage himself
>also trying to poach /mmg/ anons to some /co/ faggotry instead

I might never be back

>>7770306
>christian loser nomanga tripfags moralfagging against porn
At least I have the decency to not tripfag my faith.

>>7770242
If you're a true Christian, have some empathy, please recognize when you are not wanted here and go away. Thank you.

>>7770323
Thread has had a pretty decent and productive start, I'd rather have him over the people complaining.

>>7770327
Low key this does seem like the kind of thing where the complaining becomes worse than the initial problem itself. It happens a lot on this board.
Except for Fred. That hate is justified

>>7770067
We have almost the exact same set up I had to do a double take. Down to the way you have your ink stored.

>>7770323
Apart of being Christian is to share God's Love and Truth even in places where we are not wanted.

>>7770367
>Go forth, be annoying, and try to stop everyone everywhere from having fun
I guess he invented you for the same reason he invented gnats and fleas

>>7770306
>born again christian loser nomanga tripfags moralfagging against porn and trying to convince our most successful anon to sabotage himself
Hey wait a minute, there are few Anons who go between /mmg/ and /hyw/ to know this, and even fewer who would twist the story in such a way.
Devil's Moon Anon, is that you?

>>7770371
I know you joke but your greentext is actually not far off from how Jesus' apostles went and preached about Christ.

>>7770367
You can count me in as another anon who wants you to stop tripposting. You asked for it past thread, now you've gotten it. This is in addition to the other anons who have already stated they don't want it either even if you weren't directly quoted. What's your next excuse, instead of "its only one anon" its going to be "its only several anons?" Stop clogging up the thread.

>>7770384
>Stop clogging up the thread.
I'm gonna be honest, the way i see it, i'm not the one making multiple posts complaining about someone who's trying to have nice conversations about creativity and drawings.

>>7770387
>nice conversations about creativity and drawings.
This is a manga making general. As long as you are using your trip and name, we know exactly who is not making a manga.

>>7770367
God wants his followers to have empathy for their fellow men. Now kindly read the room and fuck off.

>>7770387
You're making the thread all about yourself instead of anons who are drawing manga. Go away, it's not funny.

Is Jump still the go-to for every wannabe mangaka in Japan nowadays?
Nobody seems to give much shit about Magazine, Sunday, Champion, Gangan, etc.
I mean, look at people on the internet, whenever a new series is announced on Jump, everyone to their mom knows about it.
But jeez, imagine yourself spending 12 months planning, preparing, meeting, revising, and finishing your work just to have it cancelled withing 19 weeks.

>>7770387
>trying to have nice conversations about creativity and drawings
>Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.
>drawing and making comics and manga
You do neither of these. You do not belong here.

>>7770388
OK. Doesn't hurt to give support and help others.
>>7770391
I do have empathy, that's why i am here, because i know people in these creativity threads need kind loving support.
>>7770392
All i did was have conversations with others and compliment their work.
The only ones making this about me are the ones who are complaining about me.
>>7770395
I don't have to be to search for works to support.

>>7770306
the weeaboo spirit is strong, we will not let this /co/ invasion break us

>>7770394
Unless you live in Japan you wouldn't really know since Jump is the only one with international reach. Those magazines are still in business so obviously have a steady readership, which means they have a steady stream of creators.
99% of anime and manga 'fans' are by default going to be shallow plebs who only look at the most mainstream, easily digestible examples.

>>7770396
Turn the other cheek instead of getting defensive and arguing. You don't behave like a good Christian.

Let the guy post his supportive comments. If you dont like him then just ignore him or filter him.

>>7770158
Cute. I like their little chins.
Small critique, ignore it if you want but that text bubble font is making me crosseyed, comic sans would shine here.

>>7770402
>just ignore him or filter him
>just ignore or filter 25-30% of ALL comments in /mmg/ from now on
Dude.

>>7770407
yes.

Trad anons, how do you deal with cropping pages you scan to all be the same dimensions for print or publishing? Cropping manually always leaves me many pixels off, and I am never sure if I should be cropping along the trim lines on the paper, or to the physical edges of the paper and let the printer take it from there

>>7770413
Are you using quark, indesign or something similar?

>>7770431
No, never heard of them. I am using an Epson scanner and CSP to clean up.

>>7770432
>CSP
oh right, it has comic features, i forgot
i've never user clip for editorial design, but indesign pretty much outlines margins, printing margins, you can manually add printer clasps margins and also add cutting lines
btw, what your process? do you draw each panel traditionally, scan them and place each one in order on software?

>>7770413
With all the "how to" interviews of various mangakas, you'd think one of them would have spilled the beans on these sorts of procedures as well.

>>7770443
The as an author you don't handle that stuff, the publisher does. You just hand over the pages/source files.

I've procrastinated for too long.
I'll never get my horror webtoon out by Halloween.

I blame coloring too. I HATE it in photoshop, I'm finally going to get CSP if it is easier to color in.

>>7770477
>I blame coloring too. I HATE it in photoshop
As the (possibly) only other PS user in this thread, what's your problem with the coloring? I've used CSP from time to time and both seem to color basically the same to me.

Im at a point where im going to do a practice run of the first chapter of my comic. Im trying this to get out of practice and fundies purgatory. Lol

>>7770505
>practice run of an entire chapter just to do it a second time
Your art skills are already good enough to NOT have to do this, anon. I believe in you.

>>7770486
I think there are 3 or 4 of us that still give money to Adobe, but if the coloring is similar than I'll just stick to what I know.

>>7770437
>btw, what your process? do you draw each panel traditionally, scan them and place each one in order on software?
No, I draw it all traditionally then scan the full page in
>>7770466
The issue is that a scanner will always scan a much larger bed area than your physical paper. My question is how to get each scan trimmed down to the same size, or if that even matters for printing.

>>7770394
Shonens are the only thing popular in the West. I gave up trying to appeal to English speakers when I realized that.
>>7770396
These people you're replying to are genuinely stupid and you're completely fine. Anime (or manga people will act like the fanbase acts differently) gets a bad rep in the West for a good reason and it's because the fanbase is both extremely pretentious while never reading something that isn't filled with pictures their whole life.

>>7770400
Again, the apostles did the same thing, in fact they were more brutal than me, they got angry and Paul even used the power of God to blind people.
The way i am acting is actually more chill than how the apostles acted, the people Jesus Himself trained and mentored to share His Word and Truth.

>>7770537
Are you really comparing yourself to Paul and Judas? Jesus knew his apostles were imperfect and personally forgave them for it. You don't have such luxury.

>>7770534
>Shonens are the only thing popular in the West.
And Berserk. And Pun Pun. And Sailor Moon. And Vinland Saga. And Vagabond.

>>7770475
>>7770477
I like your designs. What horrors can we expect from your comic?
>>7770505
Ooohh, i like that pumpkin man! I like how you drew his eyes at the bottom as well.
>>7770534
>Shonens are the only thing popular in the West. I gave up trying to appeal to English speakers when I realized that.
I think magical girls, slice of life and romance are pretty popular in the west as well. There's also isekai but that's become more divisive nowadays.
>These people you're replying to are genuinely stupid and you're completely fine. Anime (or manga people will act like the fanbase acts differently) gets a bad rep in the West for a good reason and it's because the fanbase is both extremely pretentious while never reading something that isn't filled with pictures their whole life.
I'll be honest, despite what they tell me i feel bad for them and i hope they manage to find peace and success with their works some day.

>>7770547
Those are all shonens

>>7770549
Don't ever post in this thread again.

>>7770543
You, please stop. You're misrepresenting the gospel and just helping to derail the thread.
>>7770537
You, you're casting pearls and also derailing. I cant even tell if you're genuine or trolling, but either way it's not helping.

>>7770543
I never compared myself to them i just used them as an example that what you see as "not being a good follower of Christ" is actually more normal than you think.
And yes i do have that luxury, and you do too, every human on Earth has that luxury, that's how we're all able to achieve salvation, we just have to accept that forgiveness, live our lives and Holy as possible and help others on their journey.
Also Judas was a disciple of Jesus but he wasn't an apostle as he committed suicide before the disciples became apostles.
In fact a disciple is someone who is simply a follower of Christ and learns form Him as the Greek word for disciple refers to a "leaner", while the apostle are people who have been sent to do tasks by Jesus himself as the Greek word for apostle means "one who is sent".

>>7770551
>You, you're casting pearls
You're right, i thought that this would be a good opportunity to help others learn about Christ but i tend to be wrong about this stuff and i am sorry.
I am also sorry that i made this post >>7770555 as i posted it before refreshing the page and read your post.

>>7770547
>Sailor Moon
What are you talking about? Nobody below 30 even knows what that is outside of people who just use it for the aesthetic.
>Vinland Saga, Punpun, Berserk, Vagabond
Exceptions, the Internet deemed that reading those made you smart and/or aesthetic. They honestly got really lucky.

>>7770561
Oh I see, nothing is going to count until it is your one specific niche meme manga

>>7770561
>Madoka, Gundam, My Dress Up Darling, Frieren, Card Captor Sakura, Ghost in the Shell, Jojo

>>7770341
It just works. The thing I have my pens sitting on is something I diy'd from an empty fruit snack box. Holds pens, eraser dust, nice place to keep my ink.

>>7770532
I used the csp ruler tools along the actual guide lines for every page, then I just crop it off where it normally would be in print for web. In CSP you can designate borders under View > Cropmark/Default Border settings. I keep a separate file with rulers I can snap the selection tool to and also have something for page numbers like so. Also also, you can use the auto action feature so you don't need to put in the borders manually every time. This way, every single page is processed exactly the same.

You are likely safe cutting everything up to the final line (usually the ruled lines) for your master copy to use for print, I guess if you want to be extra safe you could also just leave them completely alone for your master copies. I wanna say that will probably cover you from any accidents if you have enough artwork along the edges if you have stuff that goes to bleed. Anyway better safe than sorry.

I imagine the average shonen reader to be a mouthbreathing esl who doesn't have two braincells to rub together. And someone who reads anything else to be a well mannered and intelligent individual.

>>7770575
Sorry the weebs are indeed into the "tfw no gf" stuff, the rest are old as hell and JoJo is literally a shonen. So was Berserk also.
>No but they're not Shonen Jump
They were for a significant portion of their time and got mostly boosted by the anime.
>>7770584
> And someone who reads anything else to be a well mannered and intelligent individual.
If you say so, most people in the West if they aren't watching shonen is moe or really bad fantasies i.e. Dress Up Darling. If you unironically believe your statement you are probably not as smart as you think you are.

>>7770601
>So was Berserk also.
No, it was not. Young Animal is and always was an seinen magazine. JJBA WAS a shounen manga, yes, but since the mid-2000s it moved to a seinen manga publication and thus became a seinen manga.
Insane that you would think Berserk is a Jump property btw. Have you never looked anything up in your life?

>>7770602
>No, it was not. Young Animal is and always was an seinen magazine.
It was originally marketted as a Shonen, mostly because Shonen as a genre wasn't really defined during the 80s and stuff like Fist of the North Star, basically the creator of the Shonen structure, would absolutely be considered a seinen today. It was not serialized by Shonen Jump though and that was Mandela effect on my part.

That's what happens when you bounce between stuff popular because of high budgeted anime adaptations and Jump specific manga publications. Maybe you joined in the middle of the conversation but it was talking about why only things from Shonen Jump. I assumed it was obvious that series with popular anime adaptations would be popular in the West because they don't read manga or really comics period unless it's popular thing.

>>7770603
You're just rambling at this point, shut up and make something

>>7770603
>It was originally marketted as a Shonen
Uh, no? It was a direct successor to the publisher's previous seinen magazine. At no point was it ever marketed toward shounen.
>Shonen as a genre wasn't really defined during the 80s
Uh, yes it fucking was. It was manga aimed at shounen. 少年. Young boys, rough 8-16 years old. You seem to know absolutely nothing about what you're talking about so you can just shut up now.
>Fist of the North Star, basically the creator of the Shonen structure, would absolutely be considered a seinen today.
If it's published in a shounen magazine then it is a shounen manga, full stop. Shounen is a demographic, nothing more. Same way "Young Adult" is not a genre but a demographic that people mistake for a genre. The only thing that decides if it's a YA novel is if it's aimed at young adults.

>>7770604
I have and even have posted it. I stopped caring because all you guys do is whine and moan. You're not as smart as you think you are, and your trolling is only wasting your time. We were having a fine discussion about drawing techniques and stuff to make comics without you.

>>7770580
>It just works. The thing I have my pens sitting on is something I diy'd from an empty fruit snack box. Holds pens, eraser dust, nice place to keep my ink.
Neat. I just use the box my ink container came in, and have an old pencil case for the remainder. My setup is definitely in-need of some cleaning though. It has a bunch of colored pencils I no longer use to color pages.

They should make a shonen battle series about the bible.

>>7770505
Cool artstyle. Keeping the pencil sketches for most of it actually adds quite a bit of charm.

thinking about using a custom font for my artstyle. does it fit better? right is my writing basically

>>7770683
Looks good to me

>>7770413
What I did is scan to the trim, and then use that pixel height and width as the standard for all other pages. Yes some will be slightly off here and there, but i figure it's the nature of the medium. I don't even think each page's blue lines are perfectly printed anyways. However, I'm using A4 size paper (which is like B5 drawing area), and printing at A5 and A6 since B Page sizes arent available, so the crops are messed up a bit in the final books. Going forward, I'm actually adding extra trim to pages which resolves the issue. I need to go back and add extra trim to all of Vol2

>>7770683
now that is what autism looks like
no offense, kebabman

>>7770683
Your handwriting fits well, and the font is a solid recommendation. Wouldn't change that.

>>7770413
I scan a blank page that has all the bleed and outline marks on it, then edit the whole image's contrast/brightness so that the blank comic page is visibly distinct from the background/scanner (you can also achieve this effect by layering a large black sheet of paper behind the comic blank).
Then I crop accordingly so that the blank comic page is the only thing in the image.

I use that as my "master copy" for the size and note the dimensions/dpi.
Then after scanning and starting digital editing/formatting, you can just plug in your canvas dimensions and resize/crop your page scans as needed.

>>7770683
I like the style of the comic. And sorry but i do not understand that language. Will there be a translation?

>>7770693
Wow this is really good! I love those character designs!

Hi guys, looking for feedback on Chapter 3 of Detective Hefferchu. It's on webtoons, tapas, globalcomix, and pixiv, links at https://efsius.net
I'll also be streaming throughout today drawing inktober requests + random comics, if you want to chat about comics.
https://www.twitch.tv/efsius1/
https://www.youtube.com/@efsius1/streams
If you've read through the chapter, what is your favorite joke?

since Jake credited finding this thread to me I'm gonna just say i'm so fucking sorry. I didn't mean to "bring" him here. I really wish something could just convince him to fuck off but nothing will. I'm incredibly fucking sorry. I mean it. I've felt bad about this for days and still do. I'm apparently unable to exist without ruining everything I touch.

>>7770947
Only $999 for sigma male bootcamp? What a steal. I'll buy 10.

>>7770947
What's this about? Is it SFW?

>>7771012
Stop spamming. Go away.

>>7771012
fuck off.

>>7770955
You're both tourists. Just take your drama back to /co/. Your complaining is just as bad as tripfagging. Don't act morally superior here.

Oi anon is practically the only crossposter who doesn't bring this baggage with him. Ironically, me saying that about him is the most drama that will come about it.

>>7770975
ty while you have your wallet out can I interest you in some heffercoin?

>>7771012
gag comic, dt. hefferchu helps a lonely guy understand the thin line between love and scams

>>7771062
>gag comic, dt. hefferchu helps a lonely guy understand the thin line between love and scams
That's so sweet.

>>7771060
I'm sorry

>>7771062
>CSULB
>cal state university long beach
Hell yeah brother.

Maybe a cultural exchange will do us good. Someone send some /mmg/ Manga to /co/ and being back some comics

>>7771141
I think a via program will work as well for us as it is for Japan and India

>>7771141
Granted. Betz is now a regular here as opposed to /hyw/.

>>7771129
gmwd2w

>>7771141
/hyw/ comics are by and large made by anons who do not care about the craft, they just want to tell a story as quickly as possible. The ones who try to make a nice comic have already posted in /mmg/ before. Conversely, /mmg/ material posted on /hyw/ tends to be outright ignored.

I say this as somebody who quietly keeps an eye on any /hyw/ threads that pop up for the last year or three. /aco/ used to have their own /hyw/ and that was a genuinely welcoming place regardless of subject matter but those went away once most posters ended up only wanted to do one offs of their OC waifus getting fucked and little in the way of actual comics.

>>7771148
Great. No one use the monkey paw anymore please.
God, sometimes I just wish these anons would just go to reddit instead.

>>7770506
Thank you for the kind words. The practice run is at a smaller scale, so it should be quick. Plus my goal is to paywall the comic after chapter 3 or 5. So I feel like I need some practice runs to make something worth paying money for.
>>7770548
>>7770619
Thanks fellas.

>>7771177
This isn't a continuation of Death Mask, is it?

>>7771183
Nope, this is another story called Pumkin Seed its a medevial fantasy type story. Image above is the last thing I drew of Death Mask. Which will most likely be my 3rd or 4rth series (if everything goes as planned).

>>7770683
hand writing is the epitome of sovl, the other font is good but it will always feel a little cold to the reader

>can't find a decent brush I like
>change brushes every panel
>look like a schizo but I'm not redrawing

I feel like I'm losing my mind here.
This was the winner of the 2025 May silver award for Mangaplus Shueisha, allowing it to be formally published on the website:
>Ridiculously mediocre on all fronts, especially compared to many contestants from different months and years that didn't even win a honorable mention.
>After some digging, the author didn't even draw the art, it was commissioned from a low profile artist on Reddit.
>Despite having significantly less views, likes, favorites, comments and engagement then the competitor below it (11th place) on the general rankings, it still for no reason at all clung onto 10th place against all odds, allowing it to be visible for formal evaluation
>And on top of all this, it also seems to be the only winner to have been personally commented on by judges in years, for seemingly no reason.
Don't tell me they even have psyop bullshit in the manga industry now, please. Please.

>>7770220
your creation is the jar

>>7771440
>Don't tell me they even have psyop bullshit in the manga industry now, please.
I won't tell you then. It's always been like this, this is just one of the more blatant ones.

>>7771243
Man good composition on this pic right here. Tight as fuck

>>7771443
I don't get it.

>>7771440
the art style is pretty cool and unique, I cant believe some random reddit artist for hire did it. Man... there are so many good artists in the world and so few comics being made.

>>7771440
Man whoever is reviewing it doesnt give a fuck about the comic at all
>We see this shit from time to time, but its really good here..just because
Fuck man you fags have no excuse not to make it.
>but Im white and I post on /pol/ blah blah blah
Shut the fuck up bitch were GMI

>>7771447
I genuinely always thought the manga industry's beauty was its strict meritocracy (if you are good, we will take you) offset by sacrificing your health and sanity, it can't have always been like this right? Where is the incentive, why would they do this.

>>7771454
It's a good honest review made for a short and simple column. What did you expect? The guy is giving praise to the comic because he loved it that much.

>>7771454
how are we supposed to make it when we are literally discussing proof that you will get pushed aside for medicore schemers (in this case not even another artist, a hack ideaguy writer) for reasons out of your control, like wtf

>>7771440
do they write reviews like this for shonen stuff with magic powers? Or is it just because this ones about real life and more mature issues?

>>7771460
I did some more checking. A variety of manga of all genres have all received the awards before, none of them have been commented on. It;s honestly the least of my suspicions too, considering the other factors in play. A silver award is basically one step away from being formally serialized, its ridiculous

>>7771455
It is a meritocracy, and the merit is sales. What sells stays. What looks like might sell, they'll give a shot. Maybe this silver award winner stood out against the usual stuff posted on MPC to the staff. I don't know, I haven't read it. They gave their reason right there in the image.

>>7771459
>proof that you will get pushed aside for medicore schemers
That's not how anything here works. They're looking for interesting stuff from people that show potential. What exactly, makes you think they simply didn't legitimately think this work is interesting and shows potential? You know who else they thought was interesting and showed potential? No/name. Guess what? It didn't sell, so they canned it. That's. How. It. Works. The merit is sales. Shueisha is a for-profit company.

>>7771500
Most of it's stats indicated that it was NOT going to sell, and that was just in the rankings of that dingy little website subsection. It isn't particularly interesting either, with even the top comments on the main Shueisha site admitting to primarily liking the art (which they didnt even make themselves), AND on top of that the art isn't even that unique if you compare it western/european peers, it only appears different because it ignores manga paneling and conventions out of ignorance/lack of experience. It would literally get mogged by those random avant garte or experimental webtoons u see advertised all the time on twitter or reddit. Yet it randomly got a high level award and an ass kissing.
But I get it, yeah, I should shut up and draw. And I will.

>>7771440
They liked it because DEI and black MC and black writer, that's the only reason. There's probably some woke millenial college educated idiot with an agenda working on shueisha's English global website team who kept pushing it in meetings and site rankings.

>>7771534
Please do not bring your culture war nonsense into these threads.

>>7771440
Japanese are always just extremely curious people, for better or for worse. If you use oddities to your benefit it's your best way to get anything published.

>>7771543
hes right though

>>7771516
>Most of it's stats indicated that it was NOT going to sell, and that was just in the rankings of that dingy little website subsection
This audience is not shuiesha's audience. They're looking for what could be popular in japan, not just amongst the readership of MPC. They're just looking for someone who could potentially make something that can sell. The work itself is not necessarily what interests them, but the potential in the author it displays. They're probably not aware that the artist was just some WFH dude off reddit, and I don't see why they would care anyway it's not like this artist can't simply be hired to draw more. At the end of the day, almost everything on MPC has weak storytelling, nor do they realize it.

>>7771534
>DEI and black MC and black writer, that's the only reason
That's not really a thing in japan.
>There's probably some woke millenial college educated idiot with an agenda working on shueisha's English global website team who kept pushing it in meetings and site rankings.
Lol I've been in a meeting with some of their representatives a few years ago, they were all japanese people based in japan. I suppose it's theoretically possible that they could have hired someone like what you're describing, but it wouldn't really make any sense. They're looking for talent to bring back to japan to make something that appeals to japanese people, not for something that appeals mostly to a foreign audience.

>>7771543
Alright. I put up with the tripfagging, I put up with the holier than though attitude, but this dog wont hunt.
I checked /hyw/ because of the drama, and it turns out you dont even draw.
You're going to come here tripfag and newfag it up, and then tell people what NOT to bring into our general?

>>7771551
>That's not really a thing in japan.
Yes it is, their previous PM was pushing it hard and the US ambassador to Japan was also obsessed with promoting DEI and fag marriage in Japan. Naomi Osaka was the athlete the japs chose to light the torch at the 2020 Olympics even though she sucks at tennis.

>>7771556
>mouthing off to God's chosen, the creator and owner of /mmg/ and /hyw/
Remind me not to stand next to you during the next lightning storm.

>>7771560
Okay, then let me rephrase.
That's not really a thing in manga. No matter how much backing they give to an author, if what they make doesn't sell then they're out. Full stop.

>>7771565
It's impossible to understand the Japanese mindset without meeting them and experiencing them firsthand. People have the image in their head that Japanese are these ultra-conservative die-hard resistant to any cultural changes which isn't really true. I don't know how people intend to make manga without ever actually encountering them.

>>7771575
They were happy to go along with DEI because they were told to by their American business partners.

what manga or artist are you studying right now? I am currently obsessed with araki's style during DIU and I'm looking at how he draws human figures in the distance.

>>7771575
>It's impossible to understand the Japanese mindset without meeting them and experiencing them firsthand.
I have...

>>7771551
But that doesn't make any sense, how could a low quality indie 'manga' that was already struggling in a highly favourable homefield audience environment (opportunistic shillers,bot legions,indian bot legions,young retarded overly supportive kids) possibly do any better in nipponland, there was literally nothing that made it stand out either, do the editors seriously have so little experience reading foreign comics that they see slop like this and think 'wow i've never seen anything like this before, it must be good enough to give him a massive reward and money prize!!!!'

good night

>>7771594
If you're the person I was responding to I agree with you. I learned that the reason why a lot of these people never go beyond is because they think Japanese who go out of their way looking for interesting things are looking for people that attempt to mirror them. If they did they would almost never hire someone outside of East Asia because their mannerisms are so particular that you can never even fathom trying to imitate them without them noticing.

>>7771604
it's affirmative action DEI bullshit, don't think about it too much.

>>7771604
It's a true underdog story

>>7771604
>do the editors seriously have so little experience reading foreign comics
that's probably it. It is a high effort comic in a western style which is extremely rare on mangaplus.

>>7771646
i hope the nips find out exactly why western comics collapsed

>>7771579
Not directly studying per se, but Shirahama Kamome's panelling is just great. I often look to her for inspiration.

>>7771605
I'm not sure if that's a triangular collar she's wearing, but I suggest adjusting the drawing in some manner, cause a problem I see in the chin area specifically with the shading and how it connects to that triangle area is that she looks like she has a Dorito chin. I'd suggest rounding off the chin a bit personally but I hope you see what I mean at least.

>>7771579
Yeah Arakis great, Ive been redrawing some of his SBR and JOJOLION pages

>>7771726
jojolion for me has been incredibly boring so far. I'm trying to like it but Ithe boring art/expressions/everyone having the same thousand yard stare combined with the lack of plot makes me want to drop it.

He's making an interesting world with new concepts and lore and then entire chapters will just be "who am I??? ahhh the stand is chasing me, how does it work???" I'm getting too old to enjoy slow burn stories but I hope it picks up. Right now some ugly guy used his stand to deflate/melt everybody.

>>7771579
Not manga nor artist but I really like the visual of the contempible 2000 TV anime adaptation of Sakura Taisen and I've been learning to paint/color my art with inspiration of this anime.

>>7771579
Not manga nor artist but I really like the visual of the contempible 2000 TV anime adaptation of Sakura Taisen and I've been learning to paint/color my art with inspiration of this anime.

>>7771543
Fuck off Jake. You're not wanted yourself, who the fuck are you to tell others what's wanted in /mmg/?

>>7771770
Whats wrong with Sakura Taisen TV anime? The 90s one pretty good

Just wanted to share some old sketches story was about a lone maintenance android in the postapocalipsis that is stuck fixing infrastructure or some retarded shit like that, got some more pages

>>7771579
I love Kosuke Fujishima's art at around 1997-2000. Also at 2005-2008.
Him being a terrible person aside, this guy is genuinely a good character designer.

>>7771783
>Whats wrong with Sakura Taisen TV anime?
In terms of adaptation, it went completely out of rail from the characters to the tone of the story.
Episode 9 was so critically dissed that they had to make a complete new episode to replace it for the home-video release.

>>7771767
thats probably the peak of it funnily, not a huge fan of Jojolion, although Im really enjoying Jojolands

>>7771773
Jake is Betz.

>>7771784
Post more?

>>7771938
here the whole shit thing, Had to investigate how to compress under 4mb. Its left to right in pages, right to left in panels, not that it will make anymore sense

>>7771545
>>7771556
>>7771561
>>7771773
>>7771886
You people do know that drama/community vendetta is against the rules here, right?

>>7771560
You do know that "yaoi" and "yuri" has been a hting in Japan for decades now right? IN fact i say that most if not all of what people call "DEI" and "woke" nowadays originated in Japan and didn't become big in the west until people who grew up watching anime got into the industry and when the industry became more anime inspired.

>>7771996
They pick and choose things to be miserable about. The truth is comics and books allow for Japanese to profess a lot of their oddities, both good and bad, where their cultural sense of unity doesn't allow. The less healthier ones like the aforementioned yaoi and yuri are mostly prominent with niche otaku spheres, while the more "mundane" ones like angsty teenager stuff can typically make some mainstream appeal.

In CSP, can I copy an entire layer folder and paste it into a separate project?

>>7771605
You're a faggot too. You act like you're a regular.
>I might never be back
That. Do that

>>7771993
You dont draw. You admitted that. I literally had no idea who you were until this thread. This is manga MAKING general. You dont make anything. Please leave, or for the sake of everything just, just lose the trip. Its clearly an ego thing. All this could be stopped if you lost the trip, but you wont.

>>7771993
Then leave and it disappears. It wasn't here before you came, and any search of the archive can prove that I'm right. Fuck you for causing it with your tripfagging and response spamming and then disingenuously acting like we all need to get along and you have no idea where all of this is coming from.

>>7772018
I won't ditch the trip because it's a God thing, God wants me to be open about as much as possible and He doesn't want me to be anonymous anywhere.
Also i used to draw, just not anymore, because i have to bey God.
>>7772021
Actually it was here before i got here, in fact that's the only reason why i even found out about this in the first pace, Laundrymom (AKA Devil's Moon Anon.) brought /hyw/ drama here to complain about me (A biased retelling of what happened leaving out information to make victimize himself, no offense Laundrynon but that's what you did.) and another Anon posted a link to his complaining in /hyw/, so i checked out what he was saying. I could have engaged him but i decided not to, i planned on leaving forever but then i noticed that there are creatives in /mmg/ who needed support as well so i decided to stick around to help provide emotional and motivational support.
You wanna talk about the archive? Well here's the post that the Anon linked to on /hyw/ and notice that i didn't post in the thread until after the drama was brought up.
https://warosu.org/ic/thread/7759985#p7761999
This is why i thank the guy, because i really do appreciate what he did for me, he pushed me to start making reviews as well as help introduce me to /mmg/. Don't fault the guy for anything, even if he's faulting himself, as this is a good thing.

>>7772045
>God told me to not draw and become a tripfag.
Ok. I'll admit when I've been had.
You got me. I had my suspicions, but thanks for confirming it. I respect you for sticking to the bit, now goodbye forever.

>>7771605
I apologize for judging you too harshly. I still think you're a fag, but it turns out some of your complaining was justified.

>>7772062
You shouldn't write off anyone just because God's will for them does not align with your bigotry, and that really is how people treat those with trips, with bigotry.

>>7772099
"Remember, they hated me first." - Jesus !Nz3r.tHx

>>7772116
Amen.

>>7771980
I like how you drawed his suit and the bird. They look good.

>>7771694
Ill try that but I might just redraw the head entirely. the angle doesnt really fit the rest of her body, and it's not like she's looking at anything.

>>7772062
everyone said I was whining to much about him and then proceeded to bitch about him for another 12 hours without me.

>>7772018
I mean, I used to post a lot back in 2023 but left cause I whined a lot about the crit I was receiving. I already admitted I was being embarrassing then. I came back cause I wanted to improve again. I don't care about being seen as a regular, I just want to get good feedback and show I can respond to it with a better image instead of whining.

>You're a faggot too
You associating me with him is why I was so frustrated with his presence to begin with. I apologized for bringing him here and I stopped arguing. It wasn't my intention to bring drama over. I only ever brought up /hyw/ in the first place to illustrate my frustrations with the crit i was receiving there. (jake is only here because I said "/mmg/ helped me with this page" over on /hyw/. Not because of any drama posting over there.)

If he wants to keep pretending I'm a part of his life story he can be my guest but don't fall for that nonsense and then make it my problem. Consider replying to the image content I'm posting and not using your reply to bait me back in.

>>7771996
Did you know that fucking teenage boys used to be considered normal in Japan and teen boys were considered a third gender? Mixed baths used to be everywhere and women in the countryside would walk around with their tits out while working That doesn't mean it's still that way.

>>7772193
>bare tits out in the countryside
We must go back

>>7770947
Streaming more today, please share your thoughts on hefferchu! I plan to do a print run once I have enough chapters for a volume of about 200 pages, so hopefully I can iron out as much as possible before then.

>>7772242
I have no clue what this is about but looks funny, or at least cute.

>>7772193
Honestly that's cherry picking unrelated topics especially when yuri, yaoi, women that look like men, men that look like women, females beating up males, etc, all stuff that are labeled as "woke" are still common tropes in Japanese media, and even if it isn't they're the ones who pretty much popularized it.

Can bad writing be acceptable if the story is still fun enough?

>>7772306
Yeah, valvy a best

>>7770889
https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/%C3%A4lien/is-the-past-going-to-save-me/viewer?title_no=879438&episode_no=1

already got over 50 pages in english

>>7772262
it's a silly gag comic featuring a middle aged detective pikachu

Does anyone have good references for drawing heroic guys in anime proportions?

>>7772292
Anti-"woke" people are basically just porn addicts masquerading as caring about morality. They are as outdated as libertarianism is as an ideology.

>>7772339
Why do you say "woke" like it isn't a thing? These people were proudly declaring themselves and self-identifying as woke a few years ago before they started getting universally mocked for it.

>>7772306
Writing was never what the greater masses enjoyed, it was always about the fun.
Seriously, if i had a nickle for the amount of times i have seen people on YouTube complain about "bad writing" only for what they complain about to become a big success, i'd be rich enough to start my own entertainment empire.

>>7772344
We're not saying it isn't a thing, we're saying that people who complain about it have become worse.

>If I want to change the hair of a character I'll have to edit at least hundred drawings and reupload every page to like 5 different sites
the amount of work required to do one tiny change scales up really fast godamn

>>7772357
Just give them a haircut as part of the story.

>>7772357
Do you have to or can you just bullshit an excuse for the sudden change?

>>7772370
>>7772368
I meant more like fixing it with better art skills, rather than changing the style.

>>7772357
Hair is one of the easiest things to change with no real explanation or setup needed, especially if it's a chick. It's not like you need a retcon or magic, literally anything can be done with hair with a few products.

>>7772378
Just start drawing it in your new way, nobody will complain.

I think anyone who feels the need to remake what they've already done needs to end their story and start on a new one instead. A fresh start is a great motivator, and it's not like you have some salivating fanbase who will bitch if your current one is dropped.

>>7772330
Cute! It's very professional looking and belongs as a funny comic strip.
>>7772378
Just start drawing it in a new artstyle on future topics. Going back and permanently redoing things is a major trap.

>>7772357
Just say your character got a hair cut.

>>7772306
Absurdist writing and bad writing are two different things, and as long as the writing doesn't start becoming a distraction you'll be fine.

>>7772306
No. Bad writing is exactly what makes something not fun or interesting, and it causes visual interest lose meaning. I have to second >>7772392 because we can't call something bad just for being silly, that's truly a matter of taste. The problem with terrible writing is that it takes audiences away from the story and removes any sense of engagement because they are too distracted by the weight of it's flaws.

>>7772392
>>7772404
Have you two ever stopped to consider that the masses don't want what you consider to be "good writing"?

>>7772405
Consumers don't care about good writing and mostly care about what is popular in their clique. It's a responsibility on the writer to make a story that has an impact on the reader in a positive way. With that being said none of us are in those high positions so merit is the best we have anyways.

>>7772383
>>7772387
thanks, you saved me a lot of time and stress

Let us discuss good writing. What is it about Chainsawman part 1's writing and paneling that makes it so innovative and unique?

>>7772306
If the story is "fun enough" then the writing is "fun enough" Even in scenarios where dialogue might come off as cringe general storybeats and scene planning requires good writing

>>7772422
For me there are various reasons:
-The manga rejects many shonen troupes
-It embraces it's gory and messy style
-The characters are relatable as despite living on a world of misery they just want to have a good life for themselves and the people they care
-It feels very compact, like it was planned with care from start to end with a clear artistic and narrative vision

>>7772306
Almost every single Junji ito short.

>>7772422
Haven't read it. Probably will never because all people can talk about is how the main character is desperate for pussy and the women are hot. Don't like the cover arts but I am assuming that for all the reasons I could never get into it is why people love it. It also has gore and I assume they are relatable like >>7772427 said.

>>7772431
The fandom fucking ruined it.
It's a very beautiful manga that talks about human bonds, goals in life and wanting to feel cared after, but the retards on Twitter can't see beyond ''male character wants pussy kek, I want to be pegged by the female character''.
I don't blame you for not wanting to read it.

>>7772431
>Probably will never because all people can talk about is how the main character is desperate for pussy and the women are hot.

Its more that Denji is a desperate loser who practically lives a dumpster because he inherited his dad's debts when he died. And the people who he is indebted to fuck him over, so he just dreams of a base-level normal life like having a hot meal, a bed to sleep in, and a girlfriend. And he is so beholden to having the absolute minimum living standard, that when he is given that absolute minimum he can barely even imagine having more when he still is pretty much just being thrown scraps and allows himself to be controlled for those scraps.

The gore is just goofy and over-the-top, but you kind of know if that will be for or not for you when you realize the main character has chainsaws for arms/a head.

I decided to make a quarterly plan to start an oneshot project, but first, I wanted to do something shorter, just to see if my art quality had improved since then. So I'm doing a short couple-of-pages long story based on a scene from a fanfiction.
It took me a week to do just this page. A week.
Okay, that's probably because I don't have much free time every day and I have to do it little by little, but I take an excessive amount of time with each stage of it.

Anyway, what do you guys do to speed up "production time"? If I have to face a deadline, I'm fucked.

>>7772387
thanks, hope I can be done by end of next year

>>7772450
Don't worry about speeding things up, just focus on getting it done at a pace you can work with. If you actually got a publisher you'd have editors and other things to get it done, and if you are just doing it for online then you need to set your own pace.

Only advice I can give is drawing traditionally and editing digitally has saved me a metric ton of time. I'm still learning how to optimize it and am taking lessons but it has the dual benefit of being more natural on your arm and also organizes things so you aren't contemplating editing when you should be drawing the pages.

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>>7771449
Thanks bro

>>7772405
Good writing doesn't need a super deep plot, nuanced character with huge arcs or a lore rich world. It's as simple as one good joke that just hooks people forever so yeah I think they would agree with me.

>>7772450
>Anyway, what do you guys do to speed up "production time"? If I have to face a deadline, I'm fucked.
Having deadlines is important exactly because of that "if I don't do this shit here and now then I am FUCKED" feeling. Deadlines are probably the best way to speed up production imo, though they're best when they're an external deadline (not self-imposed) and can't be changed.

>>7772417
Honestly from how the world is it seems like anything can give readers a positive experience when it's fun enough, no need for what people consider "good writing" nowadays.
>>7772548
I'm going to be honest, if that's the case then there's really no such thing as "bad writing". If it makes someone feel positive then it's good.

>>7772620
Art is subjective to some extent. It can't be boiled down to a science and that's the charm. For instance I can never understand something like Chainsaw Man but it's a net positive that it had a positive experience for >>7772442. Anything that isn't pure and hedonism so blatant you can't possibly interpret something positive from it is at worst neutral.

>>7772623
Dont engage, he's ragebaiting.

>>7772623
True. I guess i just needed to vent my frustrations with pretentious YouTube reviewers.

>>7772660
Dunning-Kruger effect plays heavily to those who can only criticize media and not produce any of their own. That's the fate of most YouTubers and most people on the Internet period.

There's an illustration contest happening nearby due by Halloween. I'm thinking about entering knowing full well I don't stand a chance. Seems more productive than anything else I'm currently doing though.

>>7772675
>Dunning-Kruger effect plays heavily to those who can only criticize media and not produce any of their own. That's the fate of most YouTubers and most people on the Internet period.
yeah i get that. Recently people tend to tel me i am being too positive yet i find this life better than when i was hating on everything all the time and the Dunning Kruger effects hit me hard. Nowadays i have found a nice balance between being positive when i need to be and being brutally honest when i need to be.
>There's an illustration contest happening nearby due by Halloween. I'm thinking about entering knowing full well I don't stand a chance. Seems more productive than anything else I'm currently doing though.
I say go for it. No harm in that and nothing to loss.

>>7771440
Post your comic

I wish I could do the stained glass better but its not that important.

lmao so its ok for art to suck as long as you faggots are the ones drawing the shit tranime girls, never change mmg

>>7772620
Yeah, but there is at least one objective measure, that's "Did it communicate everything effectively? Did people understand what you were trying to say? Did it do what you intended to do?" If you did that, you win. The standard isn't that high. Storytelling is one of the most consensus based things we've ever created, literally born from a millennia of people sitting around late night fires entertaining eachother, they judged and were judged. It might very well be the single thing that needs other people to know whether it's worth anyone's time, and you have a story and don't share it with anyone then it's not any different from playing with your own dick.

>>7772700
Unironically yes. We use ONE as an example for a reason.

>>7772746
A few things i have problems with what you said but first i will start with this one point.
We are living in a world where now more than ever people are able to understand the intention of a story, but there will always be that one guy who doesn't understand it. Is it the writer's fault when everyone understand except for one guy?
And to go further with this, in the age of online reviews we live in a world where people who never experienced the stories for themselves follow what the guy who doesn't understand says about the story without question. Is it the writer's fault that so many people are not understanding the stories when it's the guy who doesn't understand and his influence spreading to those who didn't read for themselves?
And to reverse this, would the writer have still accomplished such a goal even if only one person understood the story?
Now onto the things about this post i disagree with.
No one was around thousands of years ago so no one knows if people were making stories to judge and be judged, and i say your views on keeping stories private is pessimistic as there's nothing wrong with someone keeping a story to themselves, not every story needs someone else to tell it if it's worth anyone's time, in fact i say every story is worth everyone's time no matter what, for better and for worse as we all have different experiences and no one can speak objectively on such a thing.

>>7772697
Gets the idea of stained glass across effectively, I dig it.

>>7772778
Nta but even if keeping a story to yourself is fine that still doesn't really disprove
>you have a story and don't share it with anyone then it's not any different from playing with your own dick.

>>7772623
>to some extent
Really bruh
Art is the most subjective thing in the world

>>7771440
Better than anything /mmg/ has made in years.

>>7770947
Big heff is epic. Also I think you have a knack for comedy. The timing and pacing of all the jokes is pretty good and they're funny which is a plus.

>>7772961
Not really

>>7769940 (OP)
Shihei Lin is looking for assistants for a new series "Witchriv".
https://ganmo.jp/posts/detail/29708
https://shonenjumpplus.com/episode/17107094911495282262

>>7772864
There are some objectivities in art because there are universal truths found in humans and what gives a message across and what defines positive messages. That being said there is also a great amount of subjectivity as well as defining things like a soul are fundamentally vague.

>>7772962
so friggin CUTE! Thank you for this, I love how big you made him

>>7773019
why did you post this. at which point did you think they would consider choosing a mid /beg/-low /int/ foreigner who can't speak japanese over 1000 higher level native prospectors

>>7773045
This is a mindset that will ensure you never get anywhere.
You're projecting btw.

>>7773045
Well, if this guy can get a job as an assistant in minutes after applying:
https://kmanga.kodansha.com/title/10671/episode/361307
then trying wouldn't harm anybody here.

>>7772809
Well if it's fine then why word it like it's a bad thing?

>>7773048
That person in just a few panels has portrayed more social skills than the vast majority of people here. I can't stress enough how important that is.

>>7773047
i wasn't projecting, actually. i was directing referring to myself hehe
>>7773048
so this fucking guy who was good and well connected enough to be a 7 year DC veteran could barely land a rock bottom as a assistant lackey before even considering trying out his own oneshots. that makes me feel sooo confident.

>>7773052
You're the one assuming playing with yourself is a bad thing.

>>7773052
It's pointless at best. Harmful if you make it your whole life just like dedicating yourself to anything simply for your own amusement.

Is there any kind of resource that talks about a mathematical function that determines the time to draw a panel according to a set of parameters (size, information, backgrounds, number of characters, composition, effects) and, with the help of an Excel template, we can know exactly how long it takes to draw a chapter?

>>7773200
No. It is different for everyone. Draw and figure it out you fucking sped.

two new pages

>>7773367
>>7773368
This looks so cool. The art style, the character designs. Reminds me of those avant-garde platformers from the 2000s.

Ship done. Later I'll start working on the interior.

>>7773497
The design is really cool Anon, from outside to inside it's fine craftsmanship.

>>7773546
Thanks fren.

>>7773497
nice

>>7773368
>>7773367
cool stuff

giving the final touches

>>7773367
>>7773368
This is amazing! Could've fooled me for marker or even watercolor.

>nice
>cool
>thanks
>nice
>thanks
>cool
>wow
>nice
>thanks

This is what we do now? We DeviantArt comments?

>>7774104
It's a good way to bump the thread but more importantly it helps spread positivity and makes people feel good.

>>7774104
Be the change you want to see then idiot, post your insightful comments

>>7773803
looks good but I've always found your sketches to be more charming

>>7774104
There's not much to say about mediocre comics while trying not to be negative

>>7773368
Nice seeing your stuff here! Love how moody the lighting is.
Finished drawing my own comic, hopefully now I'll have time to catch up on some webcomics in the backlog.

>>7774104
None of us are professionals and unless something is extremely egregious there isn't any real meaningful feedback you can give.

>>7772549
Hmmm maybe I should join some competition then
>>7772527
>Only advice I can give is drawing traditionally and editing digitally
I tried that, but honestly, I don't have much space at home to keep the files with the sketches and stuff. My desk is tiny too, and I only have standard school supplies for traditional drawing. I draw digitally to save money.
A friend told me that maybe I'm adding too much detail?

>>7774225
>>7774202
cute artstyles

>>7774225
>I don't have much space at home to keep the files with the sketches and stuff. My desk is tiny too, and I only have standard school supplies for traditional drawing.
You must have a really tiny workspace. I don't think it's impossible but if you're that short on money and other things I understand.
>A friend told me that maybe I'm adding too much detail?
I think the characters are fine. Wall detail might be making things a bit difficult.

>>7774234
Stay zoomed out when you draw, try something like 15%. This is the only practical advice I can give for digital art, because it is a known problem that a lot of people and even I experienced. It's not that the panels are too detailed, it's that you might be spending too much time on each one. The reason drawing traditionally is meant to help this is because not only does it force you to focus from a fixed distance, but also because the paper is a finite space, and the width of a pen can only be physically made to be so small. Constraints can carry you a long way, but I know physical mediums aren't an option right now, so trying to stay zoomed out while you work is hopefully a good alternative.

>>7774190
Damn

>>7774166
>sketches to be more charming
I guess this is a general rule

>>7774230
You think so? It was part of my quarterly plan to improve my art in general (anatomy style etc).

>>7774326
keep it up bud, gradual steady improvements compounds over time

>>7774278
Nta but how am I supposed to agonize over every detail if I'm not zoomed in to the max?

>>7774633
Jej
>wrist injuries
>largely from nodraws for reasons unrelated to drawing

>>7774633
fun stuff!

>>7774202
>>7774225
>>7774326
I think it's cute. Even that SpongePepe is cute.

>>7774650
Shut the FUCK up man

>>7774633
best time of the month is here

>>7774633
LOL

>>7774633
Christmas came early!

>>7774633
That's some funny shit anon lol

>>7774633
>First female computer owner
That was probably just a federal agent with a voice filter. Rookie mistake.

>>7774764
The internet: Where every woman is a 12 year old boy and every 12 year old boy is an FBI agent

>>7773367
Surely some publisher out there will give you money for this high quality art.
>>7773368
Wow.
>>7773803
Very good page.

Here's some new cosmic crush pencils

>>7774787
Out of fear of becoming the local artist here >>7774633 I won't show but the way we structure things is nearly identical despite it not being the professional route which I find amusing. It's really good though!

I've contacted one of my Japanese friends to give me some feedback on how to sell there or how to market there at all. Hopefully things turn out well.

>>7774801
>Out of fear of becoming the local artist here >>7774633 I won't show
You're... joking, right?
You know nobody got doxxed, right?
You understand nobody's going to dox you, right?

>I've contacted one of my Japanese friends to give me some feedback on how to sell there or how to market there at all.
Does your friend make or publish comics?

>>7774801
>local artist confirmed

>>7774801
Did you mean to quote me? Thanks but I can't really tell what you're trying to say from your comment.

>>7774807
mein forest...

>>7774808
The way you layout the pages and just draw everything on a sheet of standard paper using a blue pencil is, from my understanding, not industry standard but it's something I just find comfortable so I do it. I'm also assuming something like this is the commonplace. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoN4Pr2x3pg

I'm even weirder when it comes to the final product but I'm hoping to streamline the process when it gets familiar.
>>7774805
>Does your friend make or publish comics?
He's a marketer which means I'll at least have more than 0 direct information about how things work there.

>>7774814
I pencil in blue on Bristol board then ink over it. I think it's pretty standard apart from artists who draw on tablet.

>>7774815
Then I've done everything correctly entirely by accident and you're just the first person I've seen here do that. That's quite cool!

>>7774820
Failing into success

Since halloween is coming, heres Winx Lena!

>>7774876
kino

>>7774633
>I didnt make anon jump this volume

>>7774539
drawing while zoomed out makes my art way worse since the lines are too thin to see clearly and I can't even connect two lines together at that distance. A single stroke ends up having way more places to go wrong so my shitty wobbly lines get even worse...

>>7774976
the quality of artwork is not determined by how many lines connect or how wobbly they are.

what matters most in manga is how interesting it is.
Good artwork is nice, but the story’s enjoyment comes first.

>>7775025
>what matters most in manga is how interesting it is.
Explain shounen then

>>7774202
It's nice seeing your stuff here too!
do you have plans to print your comic?

>>7775027
Because shounen is interesting. Don’t overthink it.

>>7774788
>>7774787
>>7774786
awesome stuff dude

>>7773368
Kind of a stupid question but..is there a reason why you dont use screentones? I mean I can deduce its probably just a stylistic choice, perhaps it also has to do with your target market(so nothing like a takobon or meant for mass distribution). I aim to use similar techniques for inking my pages and your cleanliness is spot on dude, its beautiful work.

Ive been experimenting with bic pen ink and rubbing alcohol but the end results deform the page too much. I may need to use heavier paper.

>>7774876
Hey i remember watching Winx Club.
Who is she?

>>7775111
it's a stylistic choice like you mentioned, I simply like working this way (pic is by Jeff Lemire, one of my inspirations)
>bic pen ink and rubbing alcohol
that's a cool effect!

>>7775025
I'm going to go even further and say that over-detailed art can sometimes detract from a story by making it unclear what you want to focus on. Lots of American comics were victims of this. It's a book, the priority should be making yours readable.

>>7774633
Great stuff! Getting my work translated in Anon Jump truly is a dream come true

>>7775032
>do you have plans to print your comic?
I've made some copies for friends using a xerox machine, but that's about it. I'm about to release the last handful of chapters starting this week, so I might consider a tankabon- style edition of everything (some 375-odd pages) depending on the cost. On the other hand, I just took a look back at some of my earlier art and eeeesh. Not sure how widely I want to distribute that.

>>7775318
Yeah, the art just needs to be clear enough to read. People focus too much on the visuals and underestimate the story

>>7769940 (OP)
Has the idea of publishing as a joint 4chan community ever crossed your mind?

>>7775382
I like her design. Cute little mosquito fairy lookin girl.

>>7775580
I frankly wonder if the opening copypasta should be expanded to include FAQs.
To answer your question - anons have thought about the idea more than a few times, but inevitably upon discussion everybody remembers that when push comes to actual shove almost nobody has the time for it when , few want to be associated with 4chan, and the entire thing is ripe for user drama the entire time for virtually zero real payoff in comparison.

>>7775580
lmao even
Always assume there's an artist worse off than yourself and give him/her/it a shoutout whenever possible.

>>7775659
I always try to follow fellow anons on twitter, and have them with notifications so they don't get drown on the sea of japanese art
>>7775611
Yeah, thought as much. I kinda miss art communities. Even whit the occasional asshole

>>7774876
cute

>>7775721
I had an IG with a few hundred followers about a year ago when it got hacked by some russians and turned into a thirst trap account

Tried remaking it with the same art and all, never could get any traction again

**I haven’t tried making manga in years. I used to do it when I was a teenager, but I ignored all the rules and formats. Lately, whenever I try to create something, I end up making 4-koma style strips for jokes and stuff. But I almost always get confused and mess up the dialogue order, and I never use sound effects either.

But I think they at least look good. I even tried making a manga for a friend last year, but I felt overwhelmed by how difficult it was. I can show you how it was going, but I wouldn’t want it to count as spam. Ignore that some of them are in Spanish.

What do you guys think?

>>7775879
Why not post 3 of your best pages? That way we still get an idea but it's not spamming.

>>7775872
How did you get hacked?

>>7775872
>IG
if you can upload a female nipple, the platform is worthless

>>7775887
That's every platform though
Gotta use something

>>7775885
I didn't have 2fa since the account was old, I guess someone got the password and within minutes they had changed it, deleted everything I ever posted, changed the account name and started spamming all my followers with phishing shit

>>7775888
i meant "can't" lmao
if you can't upload a female nipple, the platform is worthless

>>7775879
>Ignore that some of them are in Spanish.
No. I will not ignore this.

>>7775884
Huh, you’re right, I don’t know why it didn’t occur to me. Well, here are some of the pages I liked the most from that mini project. As you can see, I didn’t get to the inking stage, and everything stayed in sketches, but these pages were the most “finished” out of the total 24.

I probably could have finished it if I had a better schedule at the time, but I only had a few hours a day between resting and working on the manga.

Each of your comics has a soul. I am going to list how they feel, not what I think they should be themed as. It's a "feels" list.

Altarusia - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PjsUTQJCmk

Moon is a Liver - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2Z0sON2UPc

Cosmic Crush - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI5-LvbE4AE

Oswald - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwAaJsjZnYk

Pristine(?)/Scandinavian anon - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np7Yc4MihVw

Aecast - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIoxBLrI2jg

Saturday forecast comic - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7v-OmYooz4

Pornanon/dingle's comics - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtykZeotcvU

>>7775897
I think you actually did a pretty decent job, all told.

>>7775906
This is some wholesome stuff anon

>>7775897
>>7775879
it's cute, keep it up. As long as you have goals in mind you're going to progress

>>7775906
>Altarusia - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PjsUTQJCmk
Good stuff! not so far from what I listen when I think about it. It's interesting to know how the readers perceive the world of Altarusia.

>>7775897
Looks pretty good, actually. Just make sure you don't fall into the trap of primarily using straight-on and 3/4 headshot panels, because you have a lot of them here.

>>7776389
I like her design, it's cute.

>>7775890
I see plenty of nips on my feed, real and drawn, i think IG has started looking the other way

>>7776389
I never knew you worked traditionally. Are the colour traditional also or do you scan it in to the computer and colour it digitally?

>>7776389
>penny has *that* smile in the upper left corner
>oh no no no no, alien bros.... not like this...

>>7776613
I scan it in and do digital coloring. My watercolor coloring is trad, then I scan it in to clean it up, add effects, and play around with saturating or desaturating the colors on pirated photoshop cs5. I downloaded clip studio a few months ago but haven't taken the time to learn it yet. I want to figure out the technique mangaka do to turn photos of backgrounds in to black and white line work with screen tone variant one of these days.
>pic related is watercolor, but I added digital on top of penny and zag's eyes, the earth reflection in the earing and the background digitally.
>>7776695
I know not what you mean!

What would you guys think of a /beg/ drawing crude and messy ms paint stuff (with a much more western than manga artstyle) posting in here? asking because I'm a bit self conscious.You guys are all super skilled and draw in totally different arstyles compared to mine.

>>7776715
Libs has made tens of thousands of dollars drawing in this style. ONE also is a famous/beg tier who made it.

>>7776715
We''re past bump limit. Just post it and skim through the walls of text, if any. Don't read the walls of text, just feel the tone.
Never apologize for anything you drew, it's a weakness.

>>7776725
based

>>7776715
Its past the thread bump limit so nobody cares as much. If its not something genuinely insanely long, let's take a gander at your comic anon.

>>7776724
>>7776725
>>7776769
Alright here it is.
>https://www.pixiv.net/user/96951098/series/309074
When my wrist gets better (been optimizing my artstyle for the specific purpose of getting visually readable stuff with as little time and movement as possible) and my confidence in digital drawing (as of now I've been almost exclusively a trad artist) improves, It'll likely get less crude.

Btw its just a 4koma with my characters, nothing too complicated. My goal is to do something fun to do and doable with my limitations.

>>7776791
keep at it bud, lookin forward to ur progress

>>7776725
>Never apologize for anything you drew, it's a weakness.
I have to give my thoughts on this as a follower of Christ.
In this context, yeah, the Anon who drew in MS Paint doesn't have to apologize for anything, he is a wholesome and sweet Anon.
But this should not apply to everything as there's a lot of stuff people draw that are just disgusting, drawings that are wicked, especially made to hurt others, should be apologized for and apologizing for doing wrong is far from weakness, it takes power for someone to know what they did was wrong and own up to their mistakes and it proves to people how strong a person is to change apart of who they are for the sake of others.

>>7776791
I mean, it's something.

>>7776791
Good on you for posting. Regarding the art, obviously just work on your fundies, nothing new that's going to be revealed here, so keep it up. As for the comic itself, while I did understand what was going on in terms of a sequence of events that was happening, I am not exactly sure why certain things happened the way they did other than "just because." Anyway, good work and keep making comics.

>>7771560
>DEI and fag marriage in Japan
sounds based actually, i dont give a single fuck about if it offends people, i find that both those things are good

>>7771658
>i hope the nips find out exactly why western comics collapsed
a bubble resulting from speculative comic buying that moved its main distribution into specialty store and alienated mainstream audiences from casual readership as execs pushed for increasingly convoluted special editions and re-releases in hopes of keeping the market for "rare comics" going?

>>7775906
That music is actually pretty fitting. However, on this podcast someone wrote a themesong for Oswald. Skip to 4:05

https://youtu.be/1hf40RP5Z6k

>>7776712
>pirated photoshop cs5
The goat, I've been using that shit for years when painting

>>7777132
Gaaaaaaaay

Hi, I want to get into drawing in a manga style and I've heard using Settei sheets is a good way to learn about manga's specific shape language. What do you think ? (Also I'm trying to find GGST style Settei sheets and can't find them for the life of me)

>>7771560
DEI isn't a thing in manga because manga works on a fierce meritocratic system.
If your manga isn't popular, it gets cancelled, no ifs or buts, and DEI isn't popular.

>>7777133
The speculator bubble was just the cherry on top.
Things can go through phases of being trendy fads that people like to collect without going bust afterwards.

What really killed comics was very simply, that just weren't very interesting.
It's very likely that actually they died as a valid industry sometime in the 80's, where movies became such a big thing that comics which up until then had been a main source of that kind of entertainment, would have had their audience swept up from underneath them.
But the speculator bubble kept things going until the 90's, and I'm not convinced they've ever sold a net profitable comic ever since, speaking of Marvel and DC.

Being interesting is the one thing that comics are so polar opposite from. Much of their art is great... but it isn't interesting. The stories may be great, but they're not interesting. The whole thing is just completely boring, and for the most part, even if you've never read a single comic in your life, you likely already know the story, because they've been repeating the same stories and tropes for 80 years.

>>7777268
Here's what I'm talking about
This picture is cool, you may even say it's literally the coolest thing ever, but actually, this fucking sucks.

It's so overdone that it's utterly boring. It inspires no interest whatsoever. Nobody looks at this and thinks "wow I gotta buy this and see what the story's about!" Because they already know the story, it's just more Batman, they've been doing this for 80 years, and it doesn't matter how cool they make the art, it's just more Batman.
Even if you've never read a single Batman comic, you already know it's just more Batman. There is nothing new or interesting to be found here.

>>7777268
There have been several reasons that have been directly pointed to by both fans and people in the industry as to why modern comics really don't sell;

1.) Needing to sometimes navigate 60, 70, maybe 80 years of prior story means there's almost no entry point. It is why both of the big two (but it is moreso Marvel than DC) feel they have to constantly wipe the slate clean and "start over." They've rebooted character's histories, and entire books over and over again. And they almost always end up bringing the old stuff back, and possibly even merging it with the new stuff (see: exactly what they did with the Ultimate books.)

2.) Similarly to the above, sometimes a story line or an arc will cross from title to title. You might have to pick up three issues of X-Men, three issues of Fantastic 4, four issues of Avengers, 4 issues of Spider-Man, and a dozen other comics across 4 more titles just for the current "event."

3.) Sinking sales also contributed sometimes to the need to reboot, because they know issue 1s sell really well. Also, some books have dozens of variant covers, and the best covers end up often being held hostage so comic shops have to order shitloads of books they might not want just to get a few of the good covers they know will sell. This bloats numbers, and many books end up sent back or dumped into the bargain box.

Coincidentally, that's why a lot of people tended to prefer manga. Even buying physical (English) volumes might be $10-$12 for something like 160-200 pages, while a single issue floppy is upwards of $6-$7 now. Again, never mind you have to pick up 8 different series at once to follow the current event, and they really want you to buy all the variant covers too.

>>7777287
These are all good reasons, but they're all completely secondary to the greater issue, that comics simply aren't interesting.

If the comics were actually good, having 80 years of content to read through would be a blessing not a curse.
Having crossovers would be a ton of fun if they were interesting.
Having multiple concurrent runs would be like having more cake than you even know what to eat.

But because none of it's worth reading, it's all just that more of a chore to dig through

>>7777287
On the money issue though... seeing how easily kids will spend $20 to change the colour of their hat in a videogame, and they'll happily this every day of the week until their parents money runs dry, I'm not convinced it's a price issue. Sure they might sell more if they were a bit better value for money.
But honestly, I bet if you tried to give comics away for FREE, they would still have a hard time leaving the shelves.
Nobody wants to buy them.
Manga could be just as expensive and it would still sell better, simply because they're actually a product people want to buy.

>>7777287
Don't forget also: every comic Marvel and DC publish now contains a woke lecture and preaches some stupid political or environmental message. I don't like when my escapist entertainment is actually a covert propaganda pamphlet. Also, it costs $6.99 for 20 pages of comics where nothing happens, plus ads. You can buy 6 chapters of a manga for $12. It's simply better value.

>>7777315
better value is too much of an understatement.
It's like saying that a cheeseburger is better value than a pile of shit,
>what would you rather buy? this cheeseburger for $2 or this pile of shit for $5?
>well the cheeseburger is better value
The cheeseburger would be better value is if were $1000000 and the pile of shit $0 because it's a pile of shit

>>7777327
The constant creator changes on every capeshit character is also a hindrance. Creative teams change every few years on every character. Apart from the jarring artistic changes from issue to issue, this is a big problem in terms of writing. It seems like every DC and Marvel comic writer is constantly going in to business for themselves and feels the need to put their artistic stamp on the character while invalidating what came previously. So it leads to scenarios where writers build up big long term payoffs, only for that payoff to never happen, then the new writer comes in and completely drops the previous writer's storyline so they can get their new shit in. Why invest in these characters when the stories are so bad and their characterizations are so inconsistent from writer to writer? The art in capeshit comics tends to be good to great, it's the writing and editorial that is often the biggest problem.

>>7777346
This is a big problem, consider these negative effects of changing creators also,

The art, that is, how the character looks in the comic is sort of like the actor in a movie. If the actor were to change midway through a movie or midway through a series (such as Dumbledore in Hary Potter), it really doesn't feel like the same character.
So why do we tolerate it in comics so flippantly? Even if the writer remains the same, simply changing the artist may as well change the character entirely.

And of course they do change the writers also, at this point it's not even the same story.
And also consider the petty drama of comics. While there is copyright to these characters, within the company itself there is no such notion, there is no ownership at all. If you get put on Batman, you can do whatever the hell you want to whatever pool schmuck was working on it last, and frequently this is used as a tool for petty spite, wherein one creator hates another and so deliberately shits all over everything that creater has done, to the detriment of the reader of course.

>>7777346
They do it for the same reason Vince McMahon stopped allowing wrestlers to make their own characters

Superstars left and went into business for themselves because their names became big enough to rival the company, and the company did not own those names (Hulk Hogan, Jim Lee, Randy Savage, Todd McFarlane)

So now they cannot allow any person or singular team to become too associated with a character or series, and certainly cannot allow creators to own their own characters, which is why you hardly EVER see anything new or original come out of American comics. Good creatives don't want to give their good ideas to the publishers, and the publishers don't want to publish anything they don't 100% own and control.

>>7777355
This is shooting themselves in the foot.
Creative people create things. They become creators, not editors and executives. Only creatives are capable of creating good ideas, editors produce only mediocre things, because they are not creative.

Good ideas bring in money and popularity, but if you do not let the creators have their own ideas, they simply won't share them with you, and then you won't make any money.

It's ironic, if they simply paid the artists enough that it was in their interest NOT to leave, they'd make more money than they knew what to do with. But by shooting themselves in the foot like this, they're left with neither money nor any good ideas

>>7777362
You know, this comes about because publishers aren't publishers anymore, they're just IP squatters. They don't do jack shit for authors.
Thankfully, manga doesn't really have this problem. At least for the foreseeable future, japanese publishers are just publishers. They publish the work. They, at worst, co-own the IP. And there's still competing publishers, if you dislike the way one runs things you can take your skills to a different publisher.

>>7777362
Japanese publishers and American publishers operate on opposite philosophies:

American pubs want to own everything in entirety, they want the credit and the accolades more than they want money. When you think "Batman is great" they want you to think "DC is great". Because of this they drive away creatives and have to struggle to keep their remaining IPs evergreen since they won't be getting any good new ones. Again, this is because they fear competition more than anything, and you can see this in pretty much all American industry, the idea is to crush, starve, and otherwise kill all competition in the crib so that you corner a market and don't have to worry about quality or customer satisfaction anymore. It's a sound, shrewd strategy... until globalization kicks in and competitors who have already grown outside your influence arrive. But again, they care about the credit more than making money, which is why they are letting the whole medium collapse instead of changing. Ego of business rats wanting to LARP as creatives.

Jump and other Japanese pubs only want the money, not the accolades or the credit. They operate on a constantly revolving catalog and new (not necessarily original) products, and attract and chew up talent at an incredible pace because while the money isn't great, creatives will gladly take it if they can get the credit and ownership as well. Jump does not care what you think of Jump itself, just that you will buy the books if they find something in it worth your money. They are not afraid of competition, because they created a model where competition between creatives actually makes the publishers more money.

>Choke the market and force people to have no choice but take what you give them
or
>Let the people you're selling to give themselves what they want while you collect the cash

>>7777132
I don't even understand why people are mad at it considering all of that stuff has existed in Japan for decades now, in fact most of what people call "woke" originated in Japan.
And people are only now against it? Did they just find this out recently and are acting like this is something new? They act like the west is doing this to Japan when it's Japanese media that inspired all of the "woke" writers in the west in the first place?

>>7777355
>>7777362
This reminds me of what James Tynion IV said about his batman run. He wanted to use a bunch of already established batman characters and villains in his storyline, but every time he brought ideas to editorial, they told him he wasn't allowed to use the character in the way he wanted. Tynion said constant editorial oversight from the batman editor team caused him to lose passion for the project, so he just decided to fill the book with a bunch of halfbaked OCs. He knew if one got used in TV or a video game, he'd get a ton of money. After his batman run he's pretty much only done indies of his own IPs and now he's getting a show adapted. Marvel and DC chase away the actual talented writers and only hire the corporate stooges. There needs to be massive reform in the industry for Western comics to ever be saved.

>>7777389
Gay marriage has never existed in Japan, nor has cultural diversity. In fact, Japan has famously always been very against cultural diversity.

>>7777393
This thread's about to die, but I'll get in one last word

I don't think we need to even bother reforming Marvel and DC, they're dead. Were it not for the movies, they would have gone bankrupt and been a thing of the past decades ago. But make no mistake, the comics are not making money, I don't think they've made a single cent of profit since '92.
They're not worth caring about, they've fucked everyone over, and now they're dying. It would actually be better to let it fully die so that everyone in the industry is forced to leave the medium entirely and make way for a new, fresh industry that won't be bogged down by them and their terrible ideas

The main difference I feel is the underlying idea of the story and how its treated. Japanese mangas are very clearly somebody (or several somebodies) telling you a story. Some of them go way too long and probably should have just wrapped things up a long time ago (the Dragonballs, the Bleaches, the One Pieces of the world), but regardless it is a singular main story that is going on for the most part.
With western comics especially in the US, its just two boys grabbing their favorite superheroes and villains and bashing them against one another, and then they put them back in the box. And then they come back and start bashing the toys together once more. Nothing ever changes because nothing will ever change. The point is not the story, the story is merely an excuse - the point is to bash the two toys together again for the 248324857234857th time.

>>7777420
I've noticed this phenomenom whenever I try asking either /co/ or /a/ their idea for a manga/anime or comic idea. With /co/ you just get reply after reply of "Batman but x" "Superman vs Joker" "Spiderman meets Batman" etc. never anything original.
With /a/ it's all isekai slop ideas... but they are still original ideas, nobody on /a/ ever suggests "Goku vs Naruto"

>>7777431
Frieza x Vegeta in a yaoi relationship where Vegeta does Frieza, but only in the bedroom

>>7777394
Don't respond to his bait.

>>7777394
But Japan did have decades of yaoi and yuri media that inspired western writers when it all came to the west.

Can I post my manga? I'd like to share it, but it's furrygay and somewhat suggestive and gory, and I'm not sure if it fits with the thread

>>7777603
No, please go to the furry art general thread for that.

>>7777605
It's a manga, but I understand okey okey

>>7777420
Japanese like continuity while most of the world is fairly episodic when it comes to comics and cartoons. China and Korea are gradually becoming more like Japan. That's about it.

if western comics are so bad explain The Boys & Walking dead, both spawned multimillion dollar empires that made its creators rich.

>>7777754
Television, stupid.

>>7777754
Television, stupid
The comics suck ass

>>7777758
That's the same thing with manga outside of Japan. The biggest issue is most youth in the world don't read period while countries like Japan still have a fairly active reading culture.

>>7777758
>>7777765
If it's so shit then it wouldn't have gotten a TV adaptation, stupids

>>7777801
Some great adaptations are made from very bad source material. It's a matter of seeing potential.
The comics suck, you cannot possibly defend the comics.

>>7777818
Sure they're not great, but they're still better than most manga, and good enough to get adaptations.

>>7777818
That's subjective. I can't name a single manga that has mainstream appeal that I think is good for a very long time either. People's tastes don't align with mine and while I could argue in a semi-objective fashion why my tastes are superior it's just the way it is.

>>7777823
>One Piece
>Slam Dunk
>Dragonball
>Tomorrow Joe
>Captain Tsubasa

>>7777830
>for a very long time
Most of those are old. Literally only one that isn't is One Piece (or Dragonball if you count Super) and both of those suck.

>>7777854
>Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba
>SnK

>>7777801
The vast majority of people who watch a movie or TV show based on a comic (or hell, even a book) aren't even aware that it is based on a comic/book until after the fact. And if they don't know, they often don't care. On top of that, things like TWD dropped off because they milked the fuck out of it and it overstayed its welcome anyway. Plus, zombies were a fad that eventually faded away anyway.

>>7777885
I will never understand the stuff anime/manga fans defend. Even moreso you're describing some of the better ones attached to mainstream audiences and not the "underground hipster" stuff which is just porn. Both reading and illustrations as an art form are dying and defending one form of slop over another is dying.

Wish I could end this chapter in halloween but unfortunely it wont happen

>>7777823
>I could argue in a semi-objective fashion why my tastes are superior
That's some real delusion you've got there

>>7777897
You're just fucking rambling, go find a point then come back.

>>7777913
>>7777915
Most of you don't care about art or storytelling so there's no point in going into detail. If Attack on Titan "haha nothing you do in life matters" is considered grade A art then the medium has already fallen.

>>7777920
Yes, yes, billions must die
Let's see your elevated work of art

>>7777921
Already have. Got not even slight feedback. This place exists for me to vent out grievances so I can get back to work and nothing worse.

>>7777929
>Got not even slight feedback
I'm sure it's because the plebs are just too blind to see the genius and not a chance that you're not nearly as smart as you think.

>I enjoy a thing that is NOT the greatest masterpiece of graphic literature the world has ever seen
owari da...

>>7777931
>I'm sure it's because the plebs are just too blind to see the genius and not a chance that you're not nearly as smart as you think.

>>7777955
Not that anon, but I went back and looked at all the images that did not get any real comments and frankly them not getting comments wasn't surprising - there was nothing to really say. What do you want us to say about your work, dude? Post it again.

>>7772306
if the story is fun then it's not bad writing

>>7778012
>that did not get any real comments and frankly them not getting comments wasn't surprising - there was nothing to really say.
There really isn't much to say period because most of this is focused on technical skill and nothing else. The truth is many people here draw better than a lot of mangakas and as long as your panelling is solid and you're able to post clear drawings you're mostly there.

I'm mostly poking fun at that anon for thinking that it actually mattered because posting here doesn't give you anything meaningful. It's a bit disappointing that this place and site as a whole is mostly interested in art for the most superficial of reasons. I just assumed a mass collective amount of autists would be more useful.

>>7778038
>useful
Oh you're that retard
Move on

>>7777389
dei/woke stuff comes from the West, it's more or less an enlightenment project run amock. in a weird way it was brought over to asia after WW2 and allowed to spread there, then reimported back to the West when Japan and the rest of asia were still seen as exotic and weird and Christianity started to wane in favor of secular humanism. but the core aspects of dei/woke are still Western, it traces it's roots to French, German, and American thinkers and institutions.

>>7778038
>The truth is many people here draw better than a lot of mangakas
Uh... I'm generally as generous as they come when it comes time to defend /mmg/ both in /ic/ itself and the occasional mention on any other board since many people have never taken the plunge to try actually drawing an honest to Loomis full fledged comic..... but uh, I wouldn't go so far as to say they're better than a "lot" of mangakas lol.

>>7778053
The people who've posted here are pretty decent and better than a plethora of mangakas. Too bad the issue with our dreams have very little to do with drawing talent or clarity in writing. Since this place can't really help much in that regard the optimal use is just to complain about things.

>>7778052
You're correct. That being said the complaint about the recency bias and the arbitrary nature of what defines "DEI/woke" is still valid since none of them complain about yaoi/yuri being Western propaganda or the concept of hyper-sexualized women period existing as a byproduct of the sexual liberation.

>>7778069
It's not enough to be technically skilled. Infact the success of Chainsawman and ONE have shown that technical skill is far the lesser requirement to succeed as a mangaka.
What you make has to be appealing, and your story has to be interesting.

A problem many technically skilled artists have, is simply that their art is just not appealing to look at. See pic related, it's undeniably skilled, but it's just not nice to look at. If One Punch Man were illustrated like this, I'm not sure it would have succeeded nearly as much as it did.

>>7778052
Four things i want to mention about this.
1. How many people nowadays, on both sides, know about this information.
2. Is it the same as it was back then or has it evolved?
3. Either way at least we agree that Japan is also what people would call "woke" and has been for decades now, they just can't see it.
4. And we can both agree that Christ is the Way and the Light, none of this grifter nonsense.

>>7778075
>A problem many technically skilled artists have, is simply that their art is just not appealing to look at.
Adding onto this, many of their stories, worlds and characters just aren't entertaining enough.
Seriously, how many times have we seen manga with beautiful artwork and designs only to turn out to be the usual isekai mediocrity?

>>7778075
This is all undoubtedly true. This mentality seems to have trapped a lot of people in this site and since nobody cares about the other aspects it's impossible to get anything meaningful.

>>7778075
I've included the webcomic here for completeness sake, but just compare the differences in these faces, see how much appeal Murata's has. It's not about technical skill, it's about choices, choices of how to design a face, the expression to give it, that sort of thing, that's what's really important.

>>7778052
The issue with "modern" DEI and wokeness is that it isn't just about simple inclusion. that was never the issue. The issue is how its focus entirely on the fact that it is inclusive and woke at the cost of things like integrity of story and character. Like, there were always strong female characters/leads in fiction, and people can point to characters like Ripley from the Alien movies and Sarah Connor from the Terminator movies. You can do a strong female lead while still having them seem like real people with strengths and weaknesses. But now we can't have that, we have to have strong bad bitch girlbosses who have literally no character other than they are a strong bad bitch girlboss, surrounded by incompetent men who can do literally nothing.

>>7778093
This feels like a coping mechanism a lot of the people who complain about DEI/woke stuff make when a lot of the stuff they like are equally unrealistic and not even idealistic but don't suffer from the same criticisms for arbitrary reasons, most notably because they are primarily weebs who think Japan is immune from problems.

Attack on Titan, for instance, is a series with overly dominating girlbosses who don't act like real people whatsoever with a hand-shoved political message that's fully aligned with western nihilism and yet gets no accusations. I'd argue a lot of isekais are flooded with western hyper individualist propaganda where characters are also laughably unrealistic and blatantly exist just for sex appeal. I'd argue the former is actually closer to what stories have always been about rather than the latter. The absolute best faith I can give to these people is that they are incapable of noticing any form of propaganda unless it's something so obvious like a character's skin changing color or something that makes them less horny.

>>7778117
You are completely naive to the true nature of DEI.
Including a girlboss character where it fits is not DEI. DEI is pic related

>>7778093
I have to agree with >>7778117
The integrity of stories have been going downhill for a long time now with or without "woke".
The only difference is that people nowadays want easy answers and solutions so they use "woke" as a scapegoat because they believe that everything in the world will be better and full of rainbows and sunshine if "woke" just goes away without realizing that the issues facing entertainment, and by extent the world, go much deeper than what they are willing to comprehend.

>>7778131
Dude, have you not read what the Harley Quinn comics have become recently? They have become nothing more than just fetish comics made for gooners with weird fetishes.
The problem here with this specific comic series is that both the left and the right have the exact same mentality of "Inserting fetishes in entertainment to goon is disgusting unless it's our side that does it!"
Two sides of the same coin i say.

Your deflection speaks volumes of your true nature as a lying rat

>>7778144
>>7778148
The fact that you say that people attribute all shortcomics to DEI/woke shows you have absolutely no awareness of the situation or even the complaint being levied here. Its even worse how you do the exact same thing except that you've exchanged "woke/DEI" with "gooner."

Then again, I don't even consider you a real person making even a single post in good faith anyway.

At any rate, woke/DEI is shit like pic related. Its shit that NO person would EVER say, EVER. It shit where the whole story stops so we can just spout bullshit and insert the writer's message by crowbarring it into the reader's eyeballs, with no sense of subtlety or subtext.

>>7777143
>Omeow anon gets fanart by Mossa randomly(?)
>Oswald anon gets a random theme shoutout by a podcast
Welp. Add it to the bucket list.

>>7777897
>"underground hipster" stuff which is just porn.
You have retardation sir.

>>7778162
Wow, you completely misunderstood me.
>The fact that you say that people attribute all shortcomics to DEI/woke
I never did such a thing, i never said "all" or "shortcomics". please tell me what i said to make you think this.
>Its even worse how you do the exact same thing except that you've exchanged "woke/DEI" with "gooner."
Now i'm confused, i thought i made myself clear that both the left and the right are gooners and i said that when talking about the Harley Quinn comics specifically, nothing else.
>At any rate, woke/DEI is shit like pic related. Its shit that NO person would EVER say, EVER. It shit where the whole story stops so we can just spout bullshit and insert the writer's message by crowbarring it into the reader's eyeballs, with no sense of subtlety or subtext.
First of all, don't bother putting words in all caps like that, people can already understand what you're trying to say, this just makes you look angry.
Secondly, what you just described reminds me of My Hero Academia and how it tends to stop the plot to shove the writer's political message of how people shouldn't save others in danger and just do nothing and wait for officials to arrive.
And yes, that is a political subject in Japan and other Asian countries, people just do not understand Japanese politics because despite weebs claiming to know about Japan they don't really know anything about Japan.
Ever seen an anime/manga about kids doing cute kid things to convince people to have more kids? That too is Japanese politics with political officials trying to figure out ways to raise the county's population.
Anime/manga do the same, you people just don't know it because you people have no idea about Japanese politics and therefore can't understand the messages they themselves try "crowbarring" into the Japanese readers/viewers.

>>7778131
Girlboss characters never fit except as an example of what not to be. You just don't like an artstyle and think that's some sort of revolution. The Western Enlightenment project to remove community and anti-secular mindsets has been in effect well before even WWII but you're just obsessed with a short period where the women were hot and everything was hyper-sexualized instead of ugly and hyper-sexualized.

>>7778131
>>7778181
And since you said DEI specifically and not woke, I'd like to say that Japan are not (yet) caring about this. The recent elections show there is a backlash in-terms of mass migration in their own country, but they have always been curious about other cultures and groups. Most anime and manga characters since at least the 80s have looked more like Europeans than Japanese.

>>7778162
>Then again, I don't even consider you a real person making even a single post in good faith anyway.
He isn't. He claims God told him to tripfag and not draw.>>7772045
He's clearly larping, more than likely a jew, and it's best if we just ignore him so he will go away. Notice most of the people who post their art ignore his replies.

>>7778091
>fat lips
>glasgow smile
>nostril fetish
I had a child psychology class way back in highschool and it mentioned that children aged four six or so would draw toes on shoes... because the toes were in there.
It ties in with westerners drawing too much because they think detail and realism automatically makes things better.

im manning up now guys. Ive had people critique my inking style and line confidence, and Im going back to the gpen niggas, gonna give that a shot, maybe even try watercolor again on my manga

>>7777603
That never held me back.
https://tapas.io/episode/3698812

>>7778069
I think technically its true if by mangaka you mean amateur online mangaka. There are a LOT of /beg/ level comic makers out there and then its a sharp decline the more skilled you go. Until they all come back again at high skill. Its like there is a point where people get better at drawing but they already gave up on comics.

>>7778461
In-terms of art this is probably one of the worst when it comes to the amount of effort vs amount of money you get even at the high levels. I don't blame them. If you aren't terribly autistic or have a real dedication to a story it is better to move on to more better pursuits.

>>7778552
>In-terms of art this is probably one of the worst when it comes to the amount of effort vs amount of money you get even at the high levels
It's actually the best and most reliable until you get to oil portrait painting tier, and even those aren't rolling in money or work.
"Graphic design" fields aren't the same kind of art, concept art for media productions has been completely gutted, and nobody buys paintings to hang anymore because nobody decorates their houses.

>>7778181
There's nothing wrong with girlboss really, in fact there are stories of how God favors women who manage to take charge like Esther.

>>7778186
>The recent elections show there is a backlash in-terms of mass migration in their own country
I find it kind of amusing in an ironic way when weebs think that this somehow doesn't include white people and that Japan would be accepting of white grifters flooding their nation.
People against "woke" tend to say they want to move to Japan not realizing how terrible that would be for both Japan and themselves.

>>7778358
I never said God told me to not draw, i said that God and The Holy Spirit doesn't want me to share my own creativity yet and wants me to keep it in hibernation for multiple reasons.
The only exceptions to this is being allowed to talk about concepts and ideas that i already revealed to the public but i'm not supposed to expand on or reveal more about them, just talk about what's already been revealed, not what i haven't revealed about them except the fact that they are all being highly reworked.
And the only exception to that is i am allowed to talk about what i haven't talked about before as long as it's stuff i plan on outright ditching, be it ditching from one of my concepts or the ditching of an entire concept altogether.
But they also allow and want me to help others with their creativity and that's why i'm here in the first place.

>>7778600
Weeaboos are pretty dumb and superficial often conflating anime and manga to actual Japan. Japan needs to openly go back to pre-Meiji mentality if it wants to survive instead of surpressing it.

>>7778560
I think one-off commission work and paintings are still significantly higher in-terms of effort to value, especially if you actually become a good artist. Being good at drawing/painting is not even half of what it takes to be a good comic artist while the creativity and writing aspect matters more. The writing aspect for comics is also extremely unique and if you don't have any interest in those most people just see it as less time consuming and potentially more profitable just to do a regular novel.

This bread has had over 440 bites in it, time to get some fresh bread straight out of the oven:
>>7778659