Thread 64096916

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Old thread here >>64067312

AK Buyer's Guides

>Rifles
https://thinlineweapons.com/wiki/index.php/SimpleBuyersGuide
>Magazines
https://thinlineweapons.com/wiki/index.php/AK_Mag_Buyers_Guide#Quality

To the soon-to-be owner of an M70ab2 parts kit those barrels look kinda meh.

Also, update on the bayonet situation:
I was able to remove the bayonet. Don't know how visible it is in picrel but I struck and penetrated something metal. I think it's a conduit because it doesn't smell like gas

>>64096830
>insisting that everything is an AK
But anon, everything IS an AK.
>Everything...

>>64096916 (OP)
picked up one of the zusa kit builds. Pretty happy with it. made on a Childers receiver with a akb chrome barrel.

what does this mean?

>>64097169
It means there is a tack welded thread protector over the threads, likely for import. You will have to remove it before you can use the threads.

>>64097172
Do you remove it like a regular flashider by unscrewing it?

So I decided to do my own version of those YouTube sand tests with my WASR a while back and to my surprise I didn’t have a single malfunction through 4 mags even with a good amount of shit that fell into the receiver. I thought for sure there’d be at least one or two failures to feed or extract based on the videos I watched but not a single one. I thought the trigger had locked-up at one point but it was just stiff for that single pull (and a couple others) but still fired.
What did my gun do differently?

>>64097191
no you have to cut the tack weld with a dremel.

>>64097210
wow..

>>64097169
It means the cap that covers the muzzle threads has a small tack weld on it, usually for important restrictions or because it’s from the ban era. You can still attach muzzle devices but you have to cut off the weld with a Dremel like Picrel.

>>64097224
Can you just leave it on? I dont got no dramel

>>64097234
Yeah it’s basically just a fancy nut that keeps the threaded end of the barrel from getting fucked up. Picrel is what it looks like removed.

>>64097234
If you can buy a new AK, you can afford a dremel.

>>64097246
wow thanks, sucks importrer doesnt dremel that off

>>64097262
My other WASR that I bought new didn’t have one. Honestly up until I bough my second I did even know it was a thing. I just thought it was an early-ban era AK from the 90s cuz the bayonet lug on this one was also missing.

>>64096960
>To the soon-to-be owner of an M70ab2 parts kit those barrels look kinda meh.
Yeah I agree. However they’re cheap, I’ll probably just order 3 and use the best one.

>>64097555
I don't know much about barrel prices exactly but 20 schmacks doesn't sound bad for one of them.

Also good idea buying multiple for your reason+if any of them break

>>64096960
Holy shit, good thing surplus bayonets are insulated or you would have electrocuted yourself

>>64097567
Wrong, I liked the 240V buzz

>>64097571
>240v
EURO SPOTTED

>>64097216
it's easy as heck takes 2 minutes

>>64097576
I thought America also had 240V?

120V is more common but I think some places have 240V, I said 240 cuz higher number

>>64097584
i have been shocked by 120v outlet, felt it from my arm all the way to my chest and jiggled the shit out of me, not fun

>>64097595
Back in I believe primary school I put a wire to both ends of a socket, green flash and a bang.

I blew that outlet and all the lamps

>>64097584
US has 120v and 240v in houses. 120 powers most appliances and electronics like TVs, computers, toasters, blow dryers, heaters, that kind of thing. 240v is washers, dryers, big ass things. Not sure about (installed, not window) AC and things like water heaters.

>>64097595
I once felt 120v (?) by total accident. I was okay but I had something old from the 70s/80s. It was for commercial use (where random people would touch it) so it was grounded. Being from that time, someone apparently once owned it who had some old-ass outlets with 2 prongs, not 3, and didn't want to grab one of those adapters (even if they didn't use the little grounding wire properly). So a quick yoink with a pliers and boom, 2 prong compatible. Every time you'd touch the stainless/chrome trim, you'd tingle up through your arms because you were live with 120v. Didn't complete the circuit but having two hands on live 120v trim was quite the horrifying realization once I noticed the issue one day; I'd never noticed the missing ground pin for whatever reason. Snip went that plug and on went an el-cheap Harbor Freight plug. I can't believe someone actually had it set up IN PUBLIC like that. Holy shit.

>>64097615
You call it unsafe I call it natural selection

>>64096916 (OP)
Have a good weekend frens

>>64097262
Some do. My WASR didn't have a tac welded bullshit device.
God damn I love this mf rifle it's unironically my favorite gun in my collection.

>>64097700
Based ammo collector. Wish I saved a box of Brown Bear for sentimental value.

How is AOA so shameless? I got spammed with emails for the past 6 months about how “only 20 beryls left!” “Only 12 beryls left” “never coming back these are the last they shut off production” and now today more fucking emails “only 108 beryls left!”

>>64099031
I gotta admit, it worked. I have 4 plus a mini. Wish I would've waited until they started machining the bayo lugs and offering the original brake but I fell for all the AKFiles hype.

if I wanted a 5.56 AK in the current year, would it be better to just save for an arsenal, or to build one from a 74 parts kit?

>>64099123
Beryl. Theres only 108 left.

>>64099147
not a proper AK and has accuracy issues, not interested.

>>64099160
What

has anyone used this folding triangle stock from CSS? I guess it fits standard AKs I am thinking about getting one to replace my wood.

>>64099835
also anyone have thoughts on this set up, saw this video on it https://youtu.be/5w3qDumK86I?si=ss7gLC0kgAdi8xbM and thought it looked cool. Should I do this shit or just get some barwarus and put that on my gun instead, kinda concerned about weight with the barwarus/zenitco stuff.

>>64099835
>>64099848
yeah

>>64099835
>getting the triangle
>to replace wood
gonna tell you right away, the triangle is only good for look but it will suck for shooting, unless you are trying to repro some 90s era AK you're better off getting zenitco/midwest AK stock with cheek pads

>>64096964
>not a 32
baka

Still looking for a good quality AK. Should I just by the SAM7R?
To clarify, I want CLASSIC ak styling and handling. No galil sperging this time please.

Are the PSA 5.56 mags good? I really don't want to drop a ton on arsenal mags if I don't have to

>>64100437
WBP is pretty good for classic looks and the more modern look too

>>64100439
buy the bulgarian 5.56 mags, they're the same price if not cheaper

>>64100437
get a wbp jack

>>64100437
>be me, Galil ACE owner
>Arsenal fanboys still polishing their awkward magwells and trigger slap
>WASR owners arguing about whether rusty rivets add “character”
>my ACE folds, telescopes, and actually feels good in the hand
>shooting tighter groups than your entire collection combined
>they cry about “authenticity” while squeezing trigger guards that feel like paperclips
>meanwhile, my gun doesn’t threaten to fall apart after 200 rounds
>your “best AK” was designed by someone who hated ergonomics and good finishes
>keep clinging to that nostalgia while I enjoy actual performance
>Galil ACE: for people who want to win, not just pretend

>>64100681
jew gun

>64100681
>buy gay version of shekelblaster
>immediately develops smug sense of superiority and simultaneously a persecution complex
Many such cases!

>>64100687
>>64100728
>be me
>decide to get an AK
>don’t want some trench-dug rust pipe from 1984
>buy Galil ACE instead
>actually has rails that don’t need a $300 RS Regulate to mount a red dot
>folding and telescoping stock
>ergonomics that don’t feel like holding a crowbar
>2 MOA groups all day
>mfw AK purists start seething
>“b-b-but the soul of the AK”
>yeah bro my gun’s soul is hitting what I aim at without dislocating my thumb
>they cope about stamped receiver “charm”
>meanwhile they’re still trying to zero irons made in a factory that also produced shovels
>“plastic lower is bad!”
>ok, enjoy your cracked surplus handguard that smells like goat fat
>ACE runs smoother than their mom’s sewing machine
>purists call me a tacticool mall ninja
>I call them poverty cosplayers
>tfw still have a better AK than all of them combined

>>64100801
>be me
>ragebait
>make it really obvious and cringe

Love me WASR, simple as

>>64096964
Dimples are gay

>>64101088
Based Saiga 308 owner

>>64100945
Good god man…

>>64097700
Hell yeah, I love collecting old ammo boxes.

>>64100945
>Hello kitty stickers
Woman or mentally ill, call it

>>64101508
Wife painted the mag, daughter put the stickers she thought would look cute on it.

>>64100437
I'm happy with my one WASR FWIW. Plastic stock model will need wood furniture but has a slant brake and no tack weld. Wood stock model has meh quality wood from what I remember reading IIRC and the muzzle nut (not slant brake) will need its tack weld to be removed before anything can be installed (although a muzzle nut is correct for Romanian IIRC). Uses the newer 90 degree gas port instead of the old 45 but that's because it's the improved model, even if aesthetically I like the 45. No dimples FWIW. Does include side rail. Parkerized and blued instead of blued or painted. Only real complaint I've had is that it's overgassed, and by that I mean mine specifically. Yes a little overgassing is fine but mine is a bit more than "a little". Oh and a trimmed bayonet lug which is a little disappointing but not the end of the world for the price.

>>64100681
>anon gpt
Any decent ar build takes a fat steamy shit all over the galil.

>>64101596
>Wife painted the mag
>daughter put the stickers she thought would look cute on it.

That is actually very sweet, raise your daughter right

>>64103602
Radovan, you big softy.

>>64103602
>Plot twist - they're Bosnian

>>64100437
WASR good but no dimples if you care about that
WBP good but the bolt carrier is the wrong color if you care about that
Nothing else is really worth mentioning if you aren't looking for kit builds or doing it yourself. You'll be happy with either of these and the price difference vs the Arsenal will get you more ammo, get one of these. I suggest the WBP.
If you need wood, AoA still has WBP import new production stock sets for $110 sans grip (and surplus grips can be had for $10-20 from nearly everywhere).

>>64104132
>WASR
>good quality AK

>>64104589
The metallurgy is fine, the build quality is fine in my (admittedly small) sample size. I have never personally seen a WASR with an issue beyond "the wood furniture that comes on them is shit quality," and that's ~a dozen of them from me and a few friends.
If yours is fucked, I'd be interested to know when it was bought, what post-import conversion work was done to it and in what condition it was bought by you to begin with.

So I want a short pistol ak with a 10-12 inch barrel that either comes with a picatinny rail on the back for folding stocks/braces. I'm mostly looking at the draco for around 700 and the zpap 92 for around 1200. Is the zpap that much better to justify being double the price? Are there any issues with either I should be aware of? It's my first ak.

>>64104658
>is the zpap that much better
Not really, it just has a bit more QC involved in it before going out the door than the Draco.
Most of the price difference is the fact Serbia is blocking all arms exports currently, so supply is drying up; basic supply-demand economics.
If you want Yugo pattern go M92, if you want AK go Draco, you'll be happy with either. IME the Dracos are a bit more comfortable to shoot because of the 12" barrel over the 10" on the M92.
Both work out of the box from all I've experienced, there's over a decade of information you can see from people owning Dracos and M92s working fine long-term.
Another option is the WBP Mini Jack, Atlantic has one model with a pic rail on the back at $939.

>>64104716
Thanks that's helpful. Definitely leaning towards the draco then. What's the difference between ak and yugo pattern? My purposes are mostly hd/plinking and maybe occasionally deer even though I have a shotgun for that because my state makes us hunt with .30 caliber or larger with rifles.

>>64104762
Yugo rifles have a bit of different geometry to everything (most easily visible in comparing the handguard between one and a normal AK's) because they were reverse-engineered from purchased AKs instead of built from the AK TDP, because their adoption in Yugoslavia was after the Tito-Stalin split (the M64 is named such for a reason).
It just means that for anything aftermarket you need to specifically buy "Yugo" or "M92" for a lot of things. Stocks/braces will be fine though no matter what, picatinny is picatinny.
>deer
Both the Draco and M92 are legally considered pistols, you need to look at the law regarding pistols in your state, NOT rifles.
Some states have a requirement of minimum caliber or "must use a straight-walled cartridge" for both rifles and handguns. Either (or both) of those may disqualify a 7.62x39 pistol for hunting deer.

>>64104817
Good point about the handgun hunting thing, looks like that's off the table because pa only allows revolvers for hunting. It seems like my main concern then would be parts compatibility and I'm guessing there's more akm pattern stuff out there than yugo stuff, especially with the ban on exports you mentioned.

>>64104836
Most of the aftermarket is US-made in general, but I know Zastava was making a lot of their own and I don't know whether it's made stateside by Zastava USA or imported from Serbia.
There's a lot more AK than Yugo pattern, yea. Just more market share making more options, it is what it is. If it was Yugoslavia that had a massive bloc of countries forced to use its guns during the Cold War it'd be the other way around.
Outside of the ghetto memes because it's easy to rhyme with, Dracos are genuinely rather nice guns and solid SBR candidates, not a bad option at all.

>>64104873
Think I'm going draco then. I'll be back in a month or so with pics. Thanks a bunch.

>>64104132
>WBP good but the bolt carrier is the wrong color
no it isnt

>>64104963
It is. In Warsaw Pact AKMs, very few had carriers that weren't parkerized, blued or painted. Most Polish carriers on AKMs were painted. On their earlier milled receiver guns, many were in-the-white and polished, but those aren't AKMs and a WBP isn't a good stand-in for one because of their milled receiver.
If he wants the stereotypical "google search AKM" look, it's the wrong color.
Yugo and Chinese carriers were in-the-white.

>>64104963
>>64105026
Here's a neat lil visual aid.
Both are Soviet, top is AKM bottom is AK-47

>>64096404
I am a male

>>64099848
>”Night Fighter”
>Doesn't use Strela or suppressor
Imagine the flash under NODs.

>>64099848
For the record you should only invest in an IR laser AFTER you buy a good pair of NVGs, otherwise it’s a waste of money. Flash suppression is going to be your biggest issue with an AK at night, shit is going to fireball like a MFer with traditional Soviet-style breaks.

>>64100439
Buy theses: https://gunmagwarehouse.com/bulgarian-ak-74-5-56x45mm-30-round-reinforced-steel-lug-polymer-magazine.html?queryID=8cabb7ec445bca76424e39e510f05a75&objectID=19224&indexName=m2_prod_default_products

>>64105323
A good 3 or 4 prong is 99% as good as a strela with out adding any back pressure or weight. I can just barely tell the difference between a meridian 4 prong and the strela under NODs.

Bored at the hotel and made a Dia de Los Muertos inspired magazine

>>64104617
I own two, one I bought new in 2020 (top) and one older I bought used from a pawn shop (bottom). The older one has issues in the form the extractor was to large and would cause failures to feed and failures to eject on pretty much every type of ammo and mags I tried in it. Ended up replacing the extractor with a PSA extractor and that fixed most of the issues. It still occasionally has failures to extract and eject but it mostly only occurs when shooting Tulammo. Once in a blue moon a spent round will get stuck in the chamber and it requires you to step on the charging handle to clear it.

>>64105373
That’s good to know actually, strelas are pretty pricey these days. Any recommendations?

>>64105406
The meridian defense one is great though I'm sure most 3 or 4 prongs will perform simularly like the manticore eclipse or the krebs

>>64105406
>>64105448
unironically A2 flash hiders are really good at hiding flash.

>>64105452
Correct however open tine flash hiders typically perform better when it comes to flash. Though you do get some compensation as well with an A2 so it's a better all round option.

Like an anon posted earlier manticore is practically giving these away their flash hiders I'm assuming they're being discontinued
https://manticorearms.com/product-category/firearm/ak-47-and-ak-74/

>>64105461
I had one on my 10.5" barrel AR and was shocked at how well it did at dusk and into the night.

>>64105452
I love A2s, I run them on most my 5.56 guns. IDK why people hate on them so much.

>>64105490
There is literally nothing wrong with them I just run most of my guns suppressed so I have to use rearden and huxwrx mounts.

>>64105401
I have never had these issues and no one I know personally has these issues either; one guy gets FTFs rather often but they're from his shit mags because he's "not really a gun guy" and inherited it from his dad and refuses to use anything but those old dogshit steel promag ones because fixing that issue would involve "spending too much money on something he uses as a toy" in his words.
All of the WASRs I've been in person with were also made from ~2008 through 2018 too fwiw. Mine is a 2017, has no problems at all, blocks are even perfectly straight.
I know WASRs have issues for some people (especially the older ones), that's why I usually suggest WBP. I've just never had an issue with mine despite treating it like shit over the years, so mentioning a WASR as "probably fine" is also on the table.
>>64105490
It's boring and comes on every "cheap" gun, it's just consoomerism for tchotchkes and changes to justify spending money.

>>64105517
>one guy gets FTFs rather often but they're from his shit mags because he's "not really a gun guy" and inherited it from his dad and refuses to use anything but those old dogshit steel promag
I half suspect the shitty old steel Korean mags I’ve been using might be part of the issue as I’ve only ever had one malfunction on my newer one and that was a FTF with one of those mags. I’d planed on testing out some new mags this evening on my hike but forgot earpro last minute so instead just had a good ruck with an extra 160 rounds of 7.62x39mm.

>>64105517
>>64105542
2021 WASR, no canted sights no mag wobble no malfunctions. I got an S+ one and I fuckin love it.
Regarding older WASRs with shit QC, absolutely happened. It was a big deal during the Obama years and going into the 1st Trump presidency (people worrying about Hilary getting in instead). Century reached out to Cugir about hastening production time to get more rifles into the US before any AWB or import ban. Cugir did this but at the cost of QC.

>>64105542
Bad mags are the most likely cause for FTFs in my experience.
>if you don't have surplus mags:
AoA has FB Radom surp steel mags for $15-$20 each, Apex has random Euro surp steel mags for $22 each.
I'd buy from AoA, cheaper and less likely to get your card stolen then from Apex. Their shipping is also a bit faster IME but that might just be my location compared to Apex.

>>64105571
Damn that is a nice one! Would make sense as I have a bit more mag wobble on the older one as well.

>>64105585
I’ve had pretty good luck with the Bulgarian polymer mags from gunmag warehouse as well. Though I’m really digging these Romanian battlefield pickups from AoA.

> The latest AK-15K and AK-15SK rifles were presented in Russia.

>"Kalashnikov" showcased the new shortened and compact AK-15K and AK-15SK rifles, as well as the RPL-7 light machine gun chambered for the 7.62x39 mm cartridge,
>"The AK-15 rifle in the presented form is a modernized version, upgraded to the level of the AK-12 rifle, conditionally of the year 2023. I will not dwell on the innovations present here. They fully replicate the solutions currently implemented in the base AK-12 rifle. Based on this model, by analogy with the 5.45 complex, the shortened AK-15K and the compact AK-15SK rifles were created accordingly. They have exactly the same solutions as the 5.45 caliber rifles and simply duplicate them to enable this line to be primarily introduced to the external market"
>, said the chief designer of the concern Sergey Urzhumtsev.
>He noted that the Russian Ministry of Defense has formed a state defense order for the modernized AK-15K and AK-15SK rifles chambered for the 7.62x39 cartridge.
>"The Ministry of Defense, including for the 7.62 mm caliber, showed a certain interest and formed an order within the framework of the state contract, which must be fulfilled already this year"
Wish I could buy one.

>>64105651
>Grade 4 BFPU* Romanian Military Steel Magazine 30RD **NOT GUARANTEED TO FUNCTION
That sounds like my kinda gamble lol. Think I’ll pick up a couple next paycheck and report my finds here.

>>64105665
>Kalashnikov Concern
You could just buy a PSA and it would be the same quality lol.

AKs are commie bullshit and you guys are faggots for liking them, sorry.

>>64105675
>it would be the same quality lol.
kek'd hard buddy.

>>64105681
>commie trash even though 40 year old AKs are still being used to kill commies even to this day.

>>64105689
They literally are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q79V_G5-uHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0VDS1G6GEI&t=12s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7PRDu9_hh0

>>64105772
>propaganda
yawn

>>64103644
That is the most based family activity possible, besides family war-crime time.

>>64103923
>they're Bosnian
I doubt the boniaks would use Romanian rifles

Also I can't get over how serious Novislav looks in that video

>5.56 ak
What’s even the point nigga
Just get an AR

>>64105842
> being gay
What’s even the point nigga
Just fuck a pussy

>>64105842
>Just get an AR
You capitalist nigger.

>>64105795
>Production showcase model had rust in the gas tube
This is some sigger-tier shit. Stop defending them just because you love slavshit.

>>64105810
>I doubt the boniaks would use Romanian rifles
Don't you remember all the Romy "Yugo war" trench art sets that Apex used to have? There was quite a few Romanian AKs in that conflict.
You should know this, чȅтнӣк

>>64105967
They still have trench art, but I'm not gonna pay 200 schmacks for something I can engrave myself with my own personal message

>>64106037
I was referencing the Romy stuff that's no longer available, to show that it's well within the realm of possibility of Bosniaks having Romanian guns.
>No comment on the current trench art swindle.

>>64099098
wow what a kike you must be, get fucked l0l

>>64104908
Bro get a ZPAP92 at least. You can get them with pic rails installed on the rear trunnion and the hinging dust cover whereas you will have to do your own bubba gunsmithing if you buy a Century Draco. The biggest problem with Dracos is that nine times out of ten you can't suppress them without a barrel swap due to the threads and concentricity being so fucked up. Zastava is usually better about that. Basically if you want to do any modern upgrades to your gun, then the M92 is the better option. If you just want to magdump into trash as cheaply as possible, then buy a Draco.
>>64105667
Yeah I once bought five Romanian steel surp mags from Gaypex Gun Parts and one of them had an out of spec front locking lug that was too wide to fit in any of my AKs. Good ol' Cugir QC lmao
>>64105842
AR fags have no right to say this when they reinvented 7.62x39 by necking up 5.56 brass to fit 308 projectiles.

>>64107167
>The biggest problem with Dracos is that nine times out of ten you can't suppress them without a barrel swap due to the threads and concentricity being so fucked up
Skill issue. All you need is a few minutes with a 90 degree crowning tool or file and a facemount muzzle device. I fixed mine and a friends.

>>64107189
The DA Wolverine uses facemount, and my Draco was so fucked that even it wouldn't work.

>>64107211
But did you use the crowning tool? My gun went from being so off that I couldn't even fit the rod inside to dead center after a few passes.

what the hell is he on about
https://youtu.be/46qB99Ef7Bs?t=566

>>64104132
>new production stock sets for $110
you mean the weird looking bright lamaniute wood?

>>64107217
In that case I might try it as long as I can find the right crowning tool. Think this one would work?
https://www.pacifictoolandgauge.com/90-Deg-Heavy-Barrel-Crown-Tool--HSS-1-22-to-243-cal_p_118869.html

>>64105772
valgear seemed more positive than most

>>64107269
For a 7.62x39 draco you need to use the #3
https://www.pacifictoolandgauge.com/90-Deg-Crown-Tool--HSS_p_115995.html

Also you can just try using a file like in this video>>64107253 shaving away in the opposite direction the can is leaning.

>>64100687
>jew
>>64100805
>be me.
>don't give a flying fuck about a weapon's origins.

How powerful is a 12 gauge slug compared to .30-06? Joules and all that?

>>64107269
use the other one anon linked
do it all by hand with a tap wrench don't throw it in a drill
go slow and keep checking alignment you need to remove less material than you'd think
use the tool to cut in the opposite direction the silencer is by putting pressure on that one side

>>64105810
Croats had Romanian guns, picrel. My dong has a big H carved in it (for Hrvatza or Hitler idk could be either).

No reason to think Bosnians didn't get their hands on some too.

>>64107167
>>64107189
I appreciate this as well, I'm really not trying to do any messing with the gun and was thinking about suppressing it in the future. I've heard the dustcover mounts don't hold a zero well?

>>64107477
The TWS dogleg and zenitco B33 hold zero just fine I'd just avoid the super cheap ones

>>64107486
So for a picatinny red dot on the draco I could just swap the dustcover?

>>64107496
Yes you can also do a TWS bitty dot mount or midwest industries alpha mini dot mount if you want to keep the existing dust over

>>64107496
Also for the TWS you need to replace the rear sight and for the zenitco you do need to use one of their handguards

Anyone here try that Mark1 7.62x39 ammo yet? It's supposedly made by ATS in North Macedonia, and it's the cheapest on Ammoseek right now.
>>64107477
The dust covers on the ZPAP92/85 hinge upward like the AKS-74U and hold zero pretty well. For the Draco you could use any of the modern chassis systems like Sureshot, Barwarus/Zenitco, JMAC, TWS, etc. or go the cheaper route and buy the AK Master Mount.

>>64105395
kek nice

>>64107267
Yea
I've handled some of it compared to actual Polish surplus wood, it's the same shit material and worksmanship-wise, just dyed a stupidly bright orange color for some reason and finished with a clear coat of something (not shellac like Soviet stocks, not oil like most other surp stocks, I think it's a spray-on lacquer?) that doesn't help the brightness vs. the surplus wood's finish, which is a dull "natural" tone.
There's very slim pickings for wood AK furniture anymore that is both visually appealing and not made of shit quality wood for an alright price. I know the bright orange WBP wood is weirdly colored, but it's durable enough to be functional and is well in the "good" price range to me so I suggest it; some people might even like the color. Gone are the days of $60 Romanian surplus furniture sets, unfortunately.
R*ddit consoomerism and its consequences have been a disaster for the AKfag race.

>>64107728
>R*ddit consoomerism and its consequences have been a disaster for the AKfag race.
No, the wood just ran out. It's not like they're making brand new sets anymore, finite things eventually dissapear.

>>64107735
True, but there would still be a few more unmolested Romy handguards floating around if the " muh DONG" meme and its iterations never happened and retards didn't start chopping them up for "sharkfin foregrips."

>>64104836
>looks like that's off the table because pa only allows revolvers for hunting.
NTA but fellow PA hunter. You can hunt with break action, bolt action, revolver, pump, lever, straight pull, or any other kind of manually operated handgun. I've personally considered buying one of those Henry Mare's Leg 22s in the past but never went through with it. You can hunt basically anything but deer with any semiautomatic rifle (ie. hunting coyotes with an AR or AK regardless of mag capacity). Deer can't be hunted with semiautomatic rifles either, but I think shotguns are okay because...god only knows why (still mag capped on them IIRC). Anyways, to the point, you can't hunt ANYTHING (not just deer) with a semiautomatic handgun. I'm not sure what the logic was or what the laws were like when that was put into place (probably before handgun hunting was a big-ish thing) but it leaves some silly ass situations where you can have the following:
>Hunt with a 10/22 with BX-25s? Okay.
>Hunt with a 10/22 Charger w/ 10rd rotary? NOT OKAY.
(my assumption is this holds true even with a folding brace this holds true if I remember the definitions correctly)
>Hunt with a P&W'd or SBR'd 10/22? Okay. (*P&W is AFAIK)
It's fucking retarded. This state is something else. At least with $0 tax stamps it's less of a concern but still. I also think there's a silly loophole in the regs (might still get shit for it) that allows handgun hunting if you register a handgun as an SBR and have a collapsing stock left in the fully collapsed position but otherwise use it as a handgun. There's no way in hell I'd try it; I'm not even a handgun hunter. But it's still silly when you get to sit back and think about these hunting regulations and realize just how full of holes and retarded they are.

>>64107401
NTA but do you know of any places I could read up on Bosnian used AKs? My romanian stock set has a mismatched dong (furniture not bought as matched set) that has a W or M carved on the front of the dong (sideways). Hard to say which especially considering the location and direction. God help me if it's actually a poorly carved 3 lol.

>>64108550
Hunting laws in general are fucking retarded
Ohio has:
>MUST be straight-walled cartridge
>MUST be more than .357 caliber (.350 Legend is exactly .357 caliber because of this)
>MUST be more than 5 inch barrel for handguns (measured from front of chamber, not the breech face like the ATF measures)
>MUST be capped at 3 in the mag in rifles (but no limit in pistols)
It's legal to hunt deer with a Thompson SMG in .45ACP built as a pistol in Ohio with a full 50-round drum, but not with a Winchester 94 in .30-30. I've seen a guy hunt deer with a full fun MAC 10 legally since it didn't have a stock, DNR said he was okay to do it.
The only other restriction on guns is shotguns being less than 10 gauge in bore diameter for everything, for all types of game, and a caveat on hog hunting needing to abide by deer rules during deer season to cut down on poaching.
I hate it here.

>>64108550
Thanks for the explanation, I currently only really hunt deer and ducks and I use the same sxs shotgun for both, so I'll probably stick to that. Im in the East towards Philly so it's pretty rare for me to shoot more than 50 yards on a hunt anyway, most of our game lands over this way are basically just little clearings in the middle of a wooded area, usually right next to residential areas. Blasting a deer with an ak did sound appealing though

>>64108630
Everytime I remember Ohio's straightwall shit I'm glad I'm in PA lol, sorry anon.
>I've seen a guy hunt deer with a full fun MAC 10 legally since it didn't have a stock, DNR said he was okay to do it.
Lol unfortunately we have no full auto in our regs, as if anyone could afford to hunt foxes and coyotes with a transferable M16.
>a caveat on hog hunting needing to abide by deer rules during deer season to cut down on poaching.
I think we have that one too during certain parts of the year that are considered "big game" season. Same with coyotes during that part of the year. Also what the fuck is that retarded barrel measurement? Almost feels like they thought about barrel length of a revolver or something where for some reason they wouldn't measure the cylinder. Oh also for PA we have:
>"It is unlawful to take furbearers, including bobcats, with shotguns using shot larger than size No. 4 buckshot"
Try and find this shit, seriously; every gun store will stock no 3 at best and various bird/small game but nothing in between.
>"It is unlawful to 1) possess green pelts (not dried, cured or tanned), except during open season and for 10 days thereafter"
So what happens when you throw pelts in the freezer?
>" Any device used as a sight or scope on any firearm, bow or crossbow that projects a light beam of any kind onto the target is unlawful"
Ie. you can't use the most useless accessory ever, the laser sight.
>"A License to Carry Firearms is required to carry a handgun concealed, or have it loaded in a motor vehicle. Licenses to carry firearms are issued by county sheriff or the Philadelphia Chief of Police. While engaged in activities regulated by the Game & Wildlife Code, a License to Carry Firearms only entitles the holder to carry handguns that fall within this classification."
Can I only carry hunting legal handguns? The fuck? And WHAT THE FUCK DOES A SPORTSMAN'S FIREARM PERMIT DO? I still don't know.

>>64108790
>what the fuck is that retarded barrel measurement
It's meant to be "only use revolvers" but then you can get around it by just having a 6" 1911 barrel by the letter of the law. It's a law that didn't make sense when it was written because it was written by people who didn't know the meaning of what they had written.
The "lasers" thing is probably 80s movie fearmongering, unironically.
Isn't bureaucracy where those who write the rules don't have to live under them so much fun?

>>64107486
This zenitco dustcover looks as expensive as the damn gun itself. Why is that? The dog legs doable though.
>>64107167
Im checking the zastava catalog and I'm not really seeing one in the classic wood style with only a railed dustcover and rail for the stock. I'd shell out for the zastava if I could get it exactly like that out of the box because I really don't want to go fucking around with this gun much, the stuff up the thread about the getting silencers onto a draco kinda worried me too, that's almost more important to me than a red dot.

>>64108846
>This zenitco dustcover looks as expensive as the damn gun itself. Why is that?
It's from Russia and it's difficult to get stuff from there right now. Barwarus is the clone made in Turkey.
>Im checking the zastava catalog and I'm not really seeing one in the classic wood style with only a railed dustcover and rail for the stock.
https://zastavaarmsusa.com/product/zpap92-zp92762pam/
That's the SKU they're selling right now for the version with pic rails, trumpet-style muzzle device, and no brace. It comes with dark stained wooden handguards and the traditional Zastava plastic pistol grip. I'd opt for that SKU since the ones that come with braces and fancier wood are upcharged by hundreds of dollars that will be a waste if you decide to customize it later. The only cheaper SKU is the barebones version without the pic rails and muzzle device that get added on by Zastava USA after the pistols are imported from Serbia.

>>64108846
Oh I guess the muzzle thing was a waste nvm that then

>>64108944
Oh thanks dude, I must have missed that. I guess if I'm going to change anything the furniture is probably the easiest thing to change. I did kind of like the idea of a 12 inch barrel over a 10 though. But whatever, I know my options now and have some time to think it over, thank you and everyone else for chiming in. I'll be back with pics eventually.

>>64108949
*Wasr

>>64108971
Yeah 12 inches is kinda nice since you only lose about 100 fps going down from 16 inches if I recall correctly. With 10 inches you lose about another 150-200 fps, but you're still around that 2000 fps ballpark which is over 80% of 7.62x39's advertised velocity. I don't think I would go lower than 10 inches though which would include things like the Mini Draco and Galil ACE pistol.

>>64108990
Yeah I was ruling out the mini/micro for just that reason

>>64108846
>why is that?
Zenitco is a Russian company and banned from import. Supply has dried up, demand is higher than ever because of Tarkov fags (on top of the stuff being very good).
>getting silencers onto a draco
Truing your crown on a Draco isn't hard (literally ~10 minutes total of effort and ~$200 in tools and cutting oil if you have none to start), and if you can inspect the gun in person before buying (to certify the barrel is concentric) you'd have literally nothing to worry about with any suppressor.
Fwiw, bore concentricity has been an issue with nearly every AK in the past, so that's also why the Dead Air Wolverine is oversized to avoid the issue entirely.
My suggestions for AK pistols are always:
>If you can inspect in person for the muzzle, Draco 100%; otherwise, be willing to do a bit of gunsmithing
>If you're worried about doing work on the barrel and just don't want to bother (or want a bit nicer gun), WBP
>If you want the Zastava peculiarities, Zastava

>>64107532
I actually really like the way this bitty thing just seems to clip to the rear sight.

>>64108741
I'm likely 1-2 counties West of you at most, then. Yeah, tons of areas of game lands I thought were useful end up butting up to back yards. Others are too harsh and require too much walking to get away from private land (skinny path to the state owned land). Often even those are far away enough for me that trapping (daily checking) or hunting more than once or twice a week up there not only takes a large chunk out of my day but costs a lot in gas.

>>64108630
We also have:
>can't hunt within 150yds of residence (without permission)
Makes sense until you see just how small of a legal hunting area you have in much of the available public hunting land after taking this into account, if not making many areas of them entirely unhuntable. The ones that don't have this problem have tons of roads and unnecessary paths cutting them up into strangely shaped hard-to-hunt shards. I believe we also might have:
>can't hunt within x yards from edge of water (or is this trapping or both?)
Combine this with previous and holy shit you're basically fucked on any public land that contains a lake if anyone actually ever enforced this. What they actually mean by this is anyone's guess; current, average, high, low water? I'd have to really dig for this one but I have too much going on to double-check.

>>64108826
>Isn't bureaucracy where those who write the rules don't have to live under them so much fun?
I wouldn't be surprised if those in charge of the PAGC don't hunt. They seem to be more interested in (poorly) emulating actual police and emergency services. I fully believe centralizing the call center was one of the most retarded things they've done; I've waited over an hour for response after a series of absolutely fucking mind numbing retarded mistakes and never got so much as an apology for it. Once you get a call back it's from a "private number" you can't call or text back, either. Common issues are also "the township's responsibility" (who also dodge it).

>>64108971
I think the only other options for factory 12 inchers at the moment besides the Draco are PSA and Galil ACE Gen 2 (actually 13" but close enough). WBP and Zastava both make 10" and KUSA is kill. Arsenal makes some in limited batches but of course they're OOS on Kvar right now.

>>64109103
Alot of these hunting rules seem to be designed to make it so you're inevitably breaking one of them so if they want to fuck you, they can. There's one spot along 309 im thinking of specifically where I can't imagine not breaking one of these rules, but people hunt there all the time

>>64108999
Sweet trips. The zastava peculiarities don't matter much to me, if anything I think I want as close to an akm as I can get, but like I said I really don't want to fuck around doing any kind of work on this thing. If it's as simple as switching out a dust cover, that's doable but not ideal. Taking a Dremel to a muzzle is not in the cards though, because I would have no idea what I was going for or trying to do. I'll take a look at the wbp guns too

>>64109103
In Ohio you can't even fire a gun within 400 feet of a camping area, so all the state parks are effectively blocked off.
>>64109162
>as close to an AKM as possible
Then you want anything other than the Zastava. Zastava guns are all a reverse-engineered proprietary design. The Draco and WBP pistols are just AKMs with short barrels and gas systems shortened to compensate for that.
>taking a dremel to a muzzle
You wouldn't be taking a dremel to the crown, you'd be doing it with a crown tool like was linked by >>64107291 and turning it by hand for at most 5-10 turns, and that is only IF you have a problem with it.
If you're absolutely not willing to do work yourself, Atlantic has a WBP Mini Jack that they installed a rear rail on for $939, which would be the best starting base for you, it's pic related.
If you want an optic, it has a side rail (I suggest a RS Regulate upper/lower set), or you can buy a TWS dogleg and swap the rear sight and dust cover.

>>64109213
I really appreciate all the help. Last dumb question. Wbp vs Draco, what makes the wbp go for more?

>>64109459
Better QA and QC, mostly.
The parts fit is a bit nicer on the WBPs, less sharp edges in places like the carrier rails or the magwell, the carrier might ride a bit smoother on the rails to start and the furniture is a bit nicer on the WBPs.
It's more of a guarantee of you getting a good product. The Draco would also very likely be a good product, you're just paying for peace of mind.
Fwiw WBP also has a rather good warranty procedure too if something does happen (they're their own importer now so if something does end up fucked they'll fix it themselves), whereas Century (the importer for WASRs and Dracos) effectively tells you to pound sand. However, "good warranty" does not equal good product (even though WBP also provides a good product in their 7.62x39 guns), so take this point with a grain of salt.

>>64109520
Yeah the century thing makes me nervous, plus they put their import marks in the most shit places. Seems like the piece of mind and warranty would be worth the 200 bucks. I do really like that 12 inch barrel though...

>>64109520
Alright after looking at the barrel length/velocity charts I think I'm sold on the wbp. The 2in doesn't seem to make that much of a difference and I'm gonna wind up suppressing it anyway so muzzle flash won't matter. Plus it really does just look nicer in the pics and the side rail helps a lot with the optic situation. You guys are way cooler than /arg/. Thanks a lot.

>>64109740
I've been happy with a draco, I've been happy with my WBP rifles. As long as it's reasonably accurate, durable enough to not beat itself to death, isn't made of butter steel, functions as designed and (the most important one) as long as you like it, it's good to go.
>way cooler than /arg/
We've always been cooler than /arg/, they're a circlejerk all about "muh 3k rifle with 8k in accessories is better than yours" and cult of personality around tripfags circlejerking themselves into relevance. We just don't have the number of posters they do because AKs are a niche market in Anno Domini 2025.
Enjoy your AK, man.

>>64107401
Every gun everywhere at every time.

>>64109019
It's a total replacement for the rear sight you have to remove the original. It's super easy to do however.

SNIIIIIIIIFFFFF

humiliation ritual

>>64111104
I don't even know why people still care at this point. After this year the ATF would have to prove in court that you didn't pay a $0 tax to put a stock on your gun vs a totally-not-a-stock to even bring charges against you. The NFA basically only affects FFLs at this point after Bruen and the overturn of Chevron deference. There's nothing in the black letter law that says you can't turn a rifle back into a pistol, or that the only way to make a barrel longer is by pinning and welding something to the end of it. Those were just rules the ATF made up out of thin air. You're still following the letter of the law if you attach a 6" silencer to your 10" barrel prior to putting a stock on it regardless if you paid the tax stamp and filed all the gay paperwork and did engravings on the receiver.

>>64112245
I can't help but feel like if you wound up in court on this they would still make you prove you filed the paperwork. I know the onus is supposed to be on the prosecution but in reality it doesn't work like that.

>>64113781
I recall reading about some guy who beat the NFA charges because his defense attorney filed for discovery on the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record (NFRTR), which the ATF has admitted is erroneous and incomplete.

>>64107301
>not using foot pounds
fag

>>64108630
>not legal to hunt with a Martini Henry
lol

How is the optic height with a 4.5mm sidefolder compared to fixed stock or 5.5mm?
I'm looking to get parts for a kitbash build and want to know if it's worth it to deal with money orders and cost difference for an AKstuff 5.5mm sidefolder trunnion vs. just getting a 4.5mm one from Centerfire or CSS and saving myself the headache (and $50 or so).
>>64113869
There's a whole unexplained can of worms on that, actually.
Martinis are antiques, so should be classified as "muzzleloaders" by the law, but exceptions to classify as rifles do also occur for antiques that load from smokeless cartridges like Mausers made pre-1900.
I've never actually seen anything on the subject either way for black powder cartridge rifles, and I can't be arsed to call the ODNR over it because it's after 5pm on a workday and they won't answer phonecalls until tomorrow at 9.

>>64107401
Damn, I didn't know Samwise moonlit as a Shire partisan.

>>64104836
Here's an incomplete pic I've been wanting to make for a while. This is only for small game and furbearers (like squirrel, groundhog, raccoon, opossum, fox, coyote, skunk). It does not include the entire caliber regs. It does not include shotguns because shot size and gauge regs make it twice as complex. It does not include airguns because that also has some complexity. This is small game only; I don't include big game like deer, elk, bear, etc. as that has almost a complete ban on semi-auto, maybe except shotguns, as well as caliber and shot regs I don't entirely understand being a small game and fur hunter (because marinaded pan fried squirrels taste like chicken and I'm learning taxidermy). The MP5 is supposed to be a stand-in for a 9mm PCC. And don't take this as fact, just general guidelines as far as I understand the game laws. I can't blame not having braces mentioned in game laws, but it has been several years since they've been out and popular; having any mention at all of braces in the digest would be a very smart thing to include...any year now.

>>64109142
Anon, I wouldn't doubt it for one second. I've found so many shotgun shells in areas I know are likely "illegal" hunting spots on public land while exploring. It's just if anyone's around or if the game warden that probably isn't there feels like getting your ass on something or not. The most they've ever done here is put up signs in an area that was a not-so-obvious 150yd safety zone that I know previously had deer stands in it. I'm not even saying anyone deserved fines for that, just that it's applied so sloppily and gamelands are designed so poorly for the game laws they have on the books that I can't blame the hunters that don't know (or hunt safely not caring). You can't tell me everyone I meet pours through the yearly PA game digest as well as the website with possible additional regs for the game lands they hunt on (*if applicable); I'm probably an outlier.

I'm comparing optics mounting solutions. How does something like an RS Regulate side rail mount compare to something like a TWS dog leg dust cover? Some of the AKM variants that I'm lusting after have side rails, and some don't. So I'm wondering if I should ensure that whatever I go for has a side rail in the event that I ever want to pop an optic on it at some point.

>>64114099
idk about all of the railed dust cover options but the tws involved removing the rear sight if that's something you care about. railed dust covers are nice because it's minimal addition of weight in most cases and allows you to mount whatever you want wherever works best for you.

the rs mounts were always oos when i was more into aks so i only ever used the belomo side rail mounts which are very heavy and make the optic sit high. i know rs has better options for mounting in this regard; it seems like they are the better choice if you know you specifically want a certain optic like rmr/acog/t2 etc. that uses a proprietary mount and you want it sitting as low as possible.

people will sperg about "losing zero" but forget their talking about 4 moa shitrods that sit in peoples closets 364 days out of the year.

>>64114099
The side rail is my personal preference in general, but either option will be good as long as you buy one of the good dust covers (TWS, Zenit/Barwarus, I've heard good about Midwest but I have no experience with it) and it has a tight fit to your rifle.
RS Regulate has availability issues a lot because of high demand and low production (it's just one guy afaik) but is g2g in terms of quality and function. If you find what you need in stock, buy it; Primary Arms had good prices and availability when I needed a new upper half, shop around.
There's multiple upper halves, some are purpose-made for specific optics, some are just a picatinny rail. If you're after "simple" like a red dot, the RS Regulate is going to work fine and might work better depending on what optic you choose. Anything without a specific upper mount (like an LPVO) does sit a bit high, so ymmv.
It's mostly down to aesthetics anymore, if you're afraid of losing zero just don't take your optic off.

>>64113804
Interesting but I'd still want someone else to try it first.

>>64114099
The AK Master Mount lets you use a side rail on just about anything.

>>64114071
>You can't tell me everyone I meet pours through the yearly PA game digest as well as the website

I had no idea about most of this stuff. I think it's all pretty insane and it would worry me, were it not for the fact that in 15-20 years of hunting and fishing around here I've seen a game warden maybe like twice. Also the pic is pretty hilarious, I'd love to see it expanded upon.

Are Bulgarian AKs really considered a "true" AK or are they basically a repro/knockoff?

>>64114071
>>64114237
So on that, could accidentally violating these goofy laws turn into felony firearms charges?

>>64112245
You can do whatever you want as long as you don't take photos and spray them all over the internet.
Also, "constructive intent" isn't what most people think.
Example: a prosecutor wants to hit you with NFA charges for having an unregistered SBR;
Scenario 1: you own 1 AR-15 with a short barrel and no other firearms. You have a stock but it's not on the rifle.
Scenario 2: you own 2 AR-15s, one has a short barrel and the other a long barrel. Short barrel doesn't have a stock on it but long barrel does.
Scenario 3: you own 1 AR-15 with a short barrel, no stock on it. You own a stock and a brace.

Scenario 1 you *can* get popped for constructive intent and an NFA because you have no non-violative configuration for your rifle and are readily able to convert it into a non-compliant state.
Scenarios 2 and 3 don't have this problem because you have configurations readily available to you that are compliant to the NFA.
Of course this is just mental masturbation because this would never happen but it's important to know the minutiae of the law. The State will wield it and fuck you with it, best to know what you can do back.

Are these good to go?
Thought I'd seen them mentioned as such but wasn't sure if these are the right ones

>>64114460
Yeah they're good to go. Those are the newer ones PSA makes. Shame their old ones are discontinued though I like them a lot more.

>>64114531
Love this time of year, the Krinks begin to bloom

>>64114460
The 5.56 ones are good, don't have any of these though.

>>64105334
What muzzle device is that?

>>64114564
nta but it literally says what it is on it.
It's a gen 1 Strela compact flash hider, particularly the 5.45 one.
They're unobtainium as far as I can find. The only listing I could find for that exact one is OOS at 4shooters.

>>64114583
I wonder why there's no strela compact in 24x1.5 for 7.62

>>64114590
There is, it just says 5.45 on the outside, because it's the same product.
The internal funnel is interchangeable. You can convert a 5.45 one to 7.62 diameter with a different funnel insert, which is also OOS on 4shooters. Pic related.

Wrapped up my M05E2 clone today. I can’t stop collecting obscure variants.

>>64114619
So gay all the good stuff is enterally out of stock

>>64114624
Nice. Where'd you find the stock and handguards?

>>64114624
HE'LL YEAH BORTHER......LOOKIN REAL GOOD...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I HAD THIS HERE COMMIE GUN FOR YEARS........GOT IT FROM SOME CITY BOY FOR A STEAL........COULDNT TELL THE WIFE THO......YOU KNOW HOW IT GOES......WOMEN...WHO NEEDS EM?????? OLD BALL N CHAIN............

>>64114713
I’LL CRACK A BUD TO THAT, BUD!1!!

Pinnacle of modern Serbian weapons design is to… copy Tapco.

>>64114703
Zelenysport had (maybe still has) the stocks for sale for a while, but I had to cannibalize an M91 for the handguards after searching for years and years and finally giving up. Took a little filing of the ferrule, but the lower fit hand-guard fits well.

>>64114237
Yep the regs are a bit nuts and convoluted. I'm not 100% on the x yds from water edge; may be something I misconstrued as general hunting regs (the section from trapping regs?) or maybe a single SGL's specific regs.
>were it not for the fact that in 15-20 years of hunting and fishing around here I've seen a game warden maybe like twice.
Wildly depends on your spot. The one I go to the only "wardens" I've seen were releasing pheasants and did not give one fuck about doing any other job (how it should be). I've been told there is an entire ONE FUCKING WARDEN available for the whole SGL I hunt on (it's massive btw, many parking lots dotted around it). This is despite them having a building on-site with multiple cars so who the fuck knows what they waste their resources on. I once went to Hawk Mtn. (there is a range there) and two wardens randomly drove up who wanted to see my papers for what I had. I think Hawk Mtn is a lot more patrolled due to the other activities available there as the trail at the top is swarmed with people (even Mennonites for some reason?) until Winter. Highly SGL dependent IMO.
>Also the pic is pretty hilarious, I'd love to see it expanded upon.
Thanks lol I wanted to go a little crazier using similar wording and crazy squiggly red arrows and text like the original I blatantly drew over ("ATF Regulations Made Easy") but it took a while to get that. I also forgot:
>AR is supposed to be .223/5.56, no go for squirrels
>everything except MP5 + AR is supposed to be 22LR
I'll probably make a v2 one day and I'll attempt making shotgun, big game, game bird, hunting reg, etc. versions as I learn and understand but no promises. The more I read and re-read and examine and re-examine hunting spots the more I wonder where the fuck you can even legally hunt without breaking some rule or being confined to a small portion of the land. Also I can't shoot my hunting rifle at the SGL ranges w/o downloading my mags to 5 rounds lol, PAGC logic.

>>64114243
Not that I know of. I think most things you just get a fine for, but perhaps if you do something particularly egregious and retarded. Not sure if anything short of shooting someone intentionally will get you a felony lol. There's some pretty shitty and egregious shit I've been told will get people like a $200-400 fine per offence and hunting privileges taken away for like 1-3 years. It's beyond retarded how some things are such a little slap on the wrist. I'm sure there's some game laws that will get you in much deeper shit that seem like much less serious offences, though. It's also up to the warden to some degree.

>>64114527
RARE PALMETTO STATE ARMORY WAFFLE RIB MAGS NO LONGER MADE AWH KNOW WHUT AWH GAWT

>>64114805
>Zelenysport had (maybe still has)
They do, was just browsing it.
Do they ship stateside? Is that where yours came from?
>cannibalize an M91 for the handguards
Spending $3k for a set of handguards seems excessive. What'd you put on the M91 in their place?
>now you just need the M05E3 Top cover and Zrak for the M21 to put on it.

>>64114243
I thought about it a little more. I think the only one I can think of that may have felony charges is having a loaded rifle in the car. That is a game law but also a state law. Pistols can be loaded in the car provided you have a license to (conceal) carry. Rifles cannot no matter if you have a LT(c)C or hunting license (because scary + muh poacher + muh safety). This also includes rifles with a magazine inserted but no round chambered. In hunting regs this also includes a rifle leaned up against a car, or god forbid laying on the trunk lid, or god forbid laying on your deer rack attached to your bumper. I doubt leaning the rifle against your car accidentally will get you charged with anything but game law regs but who knows; they're something else. There's an old greentext story about a guy at an SGL range getting charged by the ROUND for having too many rounds in his mag I remember and I'm 99% sure that was PA and I'm 99% sure that was on the SE side of Reading IIRC. With a 30rd mag and a 5rd mag limit...yeah that sucks lol. You can still use bigger mags but no more than 5 loaded at any time. Which makes me also question what happens to carry pistols you aren't shooting (or can't, depending on range). Shit, even a 6rd S&W revolver is over that limit.

>>64114856
They do ship here, but their packaging sucks. Not sure if I was unlucky, but be aware if you order from them that your shit might be damaged.

As for the M91, I paid a decent price for a well-used one. Will probably put a Zastava USA “universal” MLOK lower and the Archangel upper hand-guard I had laying around on it and try to sell it for a slight loss. It’s a nice rifle though, and I wouldn’t mind owning one in nicer shape. Absolutely not worth full price.

>More unobtanium
I’m tired, boss

>>64115103
Wish M91s weren't so expensive. They're what the PSL should be.

>>64115103
Appreciate the info on Zeleny. Maybe look around and see if you can find a set of the black polymer palmswell handguards for the M77 to stick on the M91.
>then go for a more traditional SVD look if you get a nicer one.

>>64115103
>>64115381
>More unobtanium
And if you go with wood and want really unobtanium; Al-Kadesiah mags

>>64115385
Al Qadisiyah, my beloved
It's like if my White Whale gun had a hotter twin...

>>64115381
>the black polymer palmswell handguards for the M77
Pic for reference

>>64114880
Couldnt you just say you're shooting targets, not hunting?

>>64114527
Almost a certainty Fartan sent them a c&d letter

>>64115381
I like the idea of the palmswell handguards. Definitely a cleaner look.

Kalashnicarver makes a full wood furniture set for the M91. Looks pretty good.

Is Tortort the only real option for milled kit receivers? I've got 2 M72 kits I need to finally build out.
On that note, has anyone built an M77, and how hard is it to align an optic rail for one? The kits are tempting.
>>64115640
nta but most states have clauses like "these rules apply to all people during deer season not on private property or at a clearly marked shooting range" so they can still stick people with it.

>>64115640
What, for the magazine capacity limit on State Game Land ranges? No lol it's a PA Game Lands rule for their ranges which unlike a normal gun range you can receive fines for breaking rules. You also have to have a valid hunting license or yearly PAGC range pass (about the same price) to use them. The irony of having to load my rifles to 5 rounds on the PA Game Lands gun ranges to use them is that I can and do legally hunt small game with 15rd BX-15s in my 10/22 and 20rd M16 mags in my AR. But when practicing or confirming zero out there I can't use the PA Game Lands ranges with those mags loaded past 5. For some reason.

The rifles in car thing is a state law if that's what you mean, it's just doubled up in the game laws. Another great PA (carry/gun related) state law is that open carry (pistol on hip, OWB) becomes concealed carry the moment you step into a vehicle, I believe whether that pistol is loaded or not. They very vaguely say "vehicle" and have a definition of "vehicle" that seems to include pretty much anything with wheels. So a motorcycle, a bicycle, a skateboard, and fucking heelies probably fit that definition if you want to be increasingly pedantic. So yes you need a concealed carry license to open carry on a motorcycle or a fucking bicycle in this state believe it or not as far as I understand.

>>64114527
Thanks. I appreciate the straight forward response. They seem really tight though. Have to smack the bottom to latch. Do you no what part to file or sand without ruining them. Forgive me if it's a dumb question to you, I'm fairly new to AKs

>>64116854
*Know

>>64116854
nta
Either the front or rear locking lug, see where it's binding up and file there, specifically on the locking faces. Go very slow, checking fitment while doing it after every few passes with the file so you don't remove too much material.
If you're confused on what faces you'd need to file, pic related.

>>64116887
Thank you

>>64116921
Do the rear lug first, it's most likely your issue
The front lug being messed with can cause feed angle problems if you bubba it badly so it's best to not fuck with it as long as your mag seats (you said yours does).
If you have another MFG of mags (steel surplus, ideally) to compare, that would be most helpful as well in the slim chance it's your mag catch that's out of spec instead of your mags.

>>64116736
Jesus. I knew none of this stuff. I've been going out there to plink for years with all sorts of shit. You might be really saving my ass right now.

>>64116736
I think Their website just says you're free to use the game lands if you have a hunting permit or carry permit I think and that's just what I've been going with. Good thing I never see the wardens...

>>64117524
Yep, it's pretty bad. I have to load my one 10/22 with half loaded rotary 10rd mags lol. Wish I could find the greentext.

>>64117543
If it did, it doesn't say that anymore.
>Those who shoot firearms at the Pennsylvania Game Commission's state game lands public shooting ranges must possess and carry with them either an annual $31.97 range use permit or a current Pennsylvania general hunting or furtaker license. Individuals without a range use permit or hunting or furtaker license may be fined. Each licensed hunter or range permit holder may have one guest.
https://www.pa.gov/agencies/pgc/huntingandtrapping/where-to-hunt/shooting-ranges
Some ranges are also specific to what you can and can't shoot. Some are pistol and rifle, some are rifle only, some are archery only, etc. I think this map shows it:
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=c9c7c8912356450fa77fc34d30b131fb&extent=-9271693.5065%2C4780137.0406%2C-8053593.0238%2C5220414.3235%2C102100
And here's some bits and pieces of the rules for the game lands ranges:
>(6) - When more than one person is using the range, a range officer shall be designated.
>[B Prohibited Acts] - (3) - Discharge armor piercing, incendiary, explosive, tracer or multiple projectile ammunition.
>[B Prohibited Acts] - (6) - Load or discharge a firearm that contains more than six rounds of single projectile ammunition.
>[B Prohibited Acts] - (8) - Load or discharge a firearm or use a range facility for any reason without possessing a valid Pennsylvania hunting or furtaker license or a Commission-issued range permit signed by its holder. This prohibition does not apply to persons 15 years of age or younger or up to one person accompanying another person in possession of a valid Pennsylvania hunting or furtaker license or a Commission-issued range permit.
https://www.pacodeandbulletin.gov/Display/pacode?file=/secure/pacode/data/058/chapter135/subchapJtoc.html&d=reduce

do the new WBP jacks come with new grey finish? OR am I crazy? They had a nice black almost blued finish a few years ago

>>64115640
>>64116736
>>64114880
>>64114071
this shit is pure boomer lead-brain poisoned fanfiction they write in their spare time. None of this is real or enforceable.

>>64118121
The finish a few years ago was a black spray-on coating similar to Brownells' Aluma-hyde. It might have literally been Aluma-hyde for all I can tell.
The new finish looks the exact same if that picture is anything to go off of.
What you're calling "gray" is probably the actual black (it's catches light) with the preservative oil/grease stripped off from handling and the "black" around it is the same material but still covered in preservative, considering how spotty it is and where the "gray" is.

>>64116854
>>64116887
My PSA mags were tight too but thats normal for some polymer mags. The best way to get them to fit better is insert and remove them over and over again to wear in the retention tabs.

What'd you guys think for a shorter "main" rifle, Draco or M92/85? Mini jack is tempting but I already have a full sized jack and want some variety.

>>64118356
M92 will perform better with the shorter barrel, 7.62x39 loses much less with a short barrel compared to 5.56.
Otherwise do what you want, If my "main rifle" were an M90 I'd go for an M85 for mag and pouch compatibility for "serious use" (LARPing in the woods).

I didn't think I'd be someone who collected a bunch of different AKs, but I impulse bid on this MAK90 on gunbroker because I've always liked the look of type 56 spikers and it was a pretty good price. It came out to $850 after fees/shipping/FFL transfer.
The listing didn't specify but luckily it's a straight cut receiver so I can find a proper buttstock easier. The polytech spiker fsb is kinda pricey though, hopefully it won't be hard or too expensive to find a gunsmith to put it on. I've never had any work done to my guns like that.
Also it's in good condition, it has wear but no rust and the bore looks great.

>>64118377
You're gonna need to find a spiker lower handguard too.
Nice MAK90.

>>64118412
Thanks.
>a spiker lower handguard
The ones I've seen are so retarded expensive that I'm thinking I might try to do a spiker cut myself on the handguard that it came with. I figure that even if I fuck it up or it turns out shitty I'll end up with a handguard I have no use for and a need to buy a legit one, which is where I'm at right now anyways, minus the time and effort put into it.

Just found out AOA blue Hungarian grips are fake repros, if you are not a clonetism tard then they are fine to buy, but they are falsely advertised :(

>>64118472
Proofs?

>>64118472
So that's why Moeka-raifus suddenly got a "HUGE" shipment of them..

>>64118512
AK files, there is a post where someone compared the AOA grips to real ones, on top of that someone in hungry got their hands on samples in different colors from the company that makes them.

>>64118527
>Mokas-raifus
I hate that site, price gouging out the wazoo.

>>64118472
Great… Glad I bought four. Fucking niggers.

>>64118542
Somewhere not behind a login wall?

>>64118595
Never too late to refund, from what I read they are still good to go and stronger since they are not made from food grade plastic.

do they fit on regular akm?

>>64118472
Cool, now I won't feel bad running the shit out of them.
Fucking fags trying to be the boomers they despise so much.

>>64118712
Yeah but you'll need a short grip screw.
>since they're hard to come by, the dimensions are M6 x 1.0 x 100
https://www.amazon.com/M6-1-0-Socket-Screws-Stainless-Machine/dp/B07GCKL9G5
You'll still need a bushing however.

>>64118747
a bushing? Anyway I guess it's basically a no.

>>64114564
https://www.strela.ua/products-en/flash-hider-mini-gen2

>>64097216
Get thyself a cordless rotary tool (whatever has good ratings) and a mix of accessory bits so you get familiar.

They're insanely handy. The fine-grit un-reinforced thin cutoff wheels are easy to break but cheap and will cut slowly with a smooth surface. Rotary tools of the Dremel style are simple and disturbingly handy from homeowner to machine shop.

>>64118750
Yes, the large ovaloid washer.
Again it'll fit just fine, you just need a short grip screw.

>>64118545
I hate that they never have the things I want in stock (pun intended).

>>64118545
Maybe but the guy who runs it is a nice dude and easy to work with.

>>64118472
>>64118542
How long has that been happening? I have a handguard+grip from Apex I doubt is a fake as well as some Hungarian grips I've picked up in the strangest spots for $3 or less locally.
>AKFiles
Fug I'd have to remember my login.

>>64118687
>and stronger since they are not made from food grade plastic.
They do kinda feel like LDPE a little now that you mention it, lol. Gouges like it a little too considering the damage I've seen on them.

>>64118712
Blue ones? Nice.

>>64118545
I wish they would restock the Bulgarian 5.56 magazines, I got a bunch of them riveted to 10 rounds for cuck state compliance and I'd really like some more.

>>64118833
just found out they came out with 45 round versions hahaha

https://gunmagwarehouse.com/bulgarian-ak-74-5-56x45mm-45-round-reinforced-steel-lug-polymer-magazine.html

>>64117930
So I go to the Allentown one quite a bit which seems to be rifles/pistols/archery I have a CC permit, sometimes I have a hunting permit. I go in all seasons. Ive never actually hunted there, I just go out and shoot targets there with my pistols and an ar. Besides overloading my mags am I breaking any laws?

>>64118129
I agree with you except cops are dickheads, and they will enforce this bullshit on you if they're having a bad day or maybe just so they can have a laugh at ruining your day.

>>64118356
Jesus dude, read the thread. I already exhausted this subject with some of the other guys.

>>64105474
different ammo, different flash

>>64119831
I doubt it. Basically
>paper target only
>need valid/current hunting license or range pass
>guns can't be loaded over 5 + 1
as I understand it.

>>64118356
Read the thread, but the M92 specifically is the same OAL as an MP5 and effective out to like 200 yards. I think it's the perfect compromise since the 10" barrel keeps 7.62x39 right around the 2000 fps ballpark at the muzzle. The only thing that kinda sucks about the M92 out of the box is the 1913 rail Zastava USA installs on the top cover is kind of short due to the way the krink-style rear sight is set up. Your options are limited since you have to use something with unlimited eye relief, i.e. a red dot. You also can't use a magnifier since it won't fit. I think the only ways around this are to use an AK Master Mount or replace the top cover completely with something from TWS or JMAC.

WBP is made with rejected parts lmao

Do new WASRs come with bayonet lugs yet?

>>64120032
That's easy enough

>>64120270
Has this been confirmed at all whether through statements from WBP/their importers or from examining parts en masse (not just "5 bolts have broken after a few thousand rounds out of the thousands made"), or is it still just rumors?
Is there even proof?
>>64120349
Mine from 2017 has a bayonet lug, so they've had them for at least that long.

>>64120270
is that why they were in ukraine?

I'm tempted to YOLO a Zastava Vuk since Silencershop has free tax stamps for them right now. My biggest concerns are that I'll get an endcap strike (Gayco said the bore diameter isn't as forgiving as the Wolverine and Putnik), and that I'll have to buy new HUB adapters since apparently the threaded portion is too shallow to accommodate mounts with integral muzzle brakes like the JMAC X37.

>>64120837
No, the WBP AKs in the European market are excellent. The American market gets the reject parts.
>>64120669
Show me 5 broken WASR bolts.

>paid $500 on a case of 7.62x39
>the AR fags i was laughing at before for paying ridiculous 5.56 prices during the panic are now getting it for extremely cheap
>even 5.7 is becoming cheaper than 7.62x39
>tariffs are only getting worse
i didnt vote for this

>>64100945
>canted IR laser mounted to... an antler?
>piece of mystery plastic on the bolt that looks like it comes from the end of a screwdriver
what was god thinking when he gave man free will knowing someday this would be created

>>64121750
Trust the plan. Trump is meeting with Putin tomorrow to end the war and lift the sanctions. 7.62x39 will be 12 cpr again in two more weeks.

>>64121768
A piece of wood from a bush I cleared from my yard. I threw it away though, kept burning my fingers on the barrel.
Mystery plastic is a screwdriver handle I cut off and hollowed out. It flew off when I shot with it so I torqued it on with a hose clamp.

>>64121677
If you want I can go through the past 20-some years of forums to find WASRs having failures like cracked carriers, out of spec parts, bent receivers (both bulging and bowing) and bad assembly.
WBP also has a helping of similar issues, albeit a more concentrated to be concerning. But that said, all manufactured items have a small amount that will fail prematurely, even with 100% actual QC because some issues will not show up until a little bit of wear has been applied.
My point was that a relatively small group of failures does not equate to EVERY part being bad out of the massive whole group, and more info should be collected before just throwing the whole lot out as failures.
I want wear profiles and more accounts of use.
I'm not going to white knight for WBP, I'm just as concerned about their parts quality as you are. I want genuine virgin parts to exist in this country that aren't giving the "will it catastrophically fail in less than 5k rounds" worry to their user.

>>64121891
lmao
you have the same screwdriver as me then

>>64121677
>WBP AKs in the European market are excellent. The American market gets the reject parts.
Proof or source of this or are you just making things up?

>>64107291
Can I use the same crowning tool to square the muzzle of a ZPAP92 to use with facemount as well? It has that huge 26mm front sight block around it. Help me Larry Potterfield, you’re my only hope.

>>64096916 (OP)
Is this a real image or an AI one?

PSA AK102 gave up the ghost around 1200 rounds or so. Not sure exactly what is wrong, for all I know the headspace walked on me, but it light primer strikes like 50% of the time now. Based on some reddit posts I think that it is punching primers and bits of primer are getting stuck in the firing pin channel preventing good protrusion then resulting in light primer strikes? PSA issued a shipping label, but want the entire gun back. They're saying they've moved to a new bolt and firing pin design, and that my 102 is an earlier gun (serial number 0700) so that they need to entire gun to headspace a new bolt to it...

>>64121517
Your biggest concern should be that it never stops sparking like a bitch and you end up stuck with a $1000 suppressor that is tactically unsound.

>>64119361
Lol capitalism

>>64118377
Not a bad snag.

>>64122665
>PSAK

>>64120349
Look on the Century Arms site to be more sure (though still semi-vague from a quick skim). There's a model with (?)
https://www.centuryarms.com/wasr.html
and without
https://www.centuryarms.com/wasr-no-comp.html
and my 2021 WASR RI4313-N (polymer stock, with slant brake, not spot welded) did not have one. If in doubt about a specific model I'd email the seller or Century and ask. I can't even find the RI4313-N on their site from a quick skim but I may have missed it.

>>64102602
Any idea on the year? Curious what that is accounting for inflation.

>>64122743
2nding 2021 WASR not having one.
Mine is one of the "black widow" (lmfao) WASRs idk why they called them that besides the black furniture.
>>64122752
1987-1990

>>64104908
>>64107211
>>64107269
If you're going to try and put a silencer on and are worried about concentricity/need to check as you adjust it, use a Hux branded rod. FWIW the .22/5.56 size one has been good enough for me so far; checked ~three barrels so far and a LGS that deals with silencers (who owns way more of them than I do) uses them too. Had to check to fix a barrel with an overhang at the top, one with an adapter, and a barrel I wasn't 100% sure of the concentricity of IIRC. Next is checking a barrel I'm suspicious of some potential DIY/amateur work being done on. They're relatively cheap and I think they make a .30 cal one IIRC. Only complaint with my 5.56 rod is that it still slips right down a 22LR barrel which made for a fun adventure trying to save it lol. Had to break out the Harbor Freight fiberglass wire puller rod (end cut off) and shove it down the center of the rod, put tape on the end of the pole, and pull it out using the tape to grab the rod. I'd also prefer they shipped it in a tube instead of a box, but it is protected with foam blocks on the ends so I can't really complain.

>>64107744
FWIW IIRC Romarm/Cugir was also chopping dongs completely to make them look like normal handguards when they were still shipping with surplus furniture. Which is nuts to think of now when just a dong is like $90 lol.

>>64122811
You can still tell a Romy handguard from a normal one, it lacks a palm swell.
But yea, I am also aware of that happening. Damn shame honestly, but people didn't think it was a cool thing to have 20 years ago so they weren't worth much, then suddenly they were recently.
Romy kits are still the cheapest ones in the country, so I can't believe the price hike on the handguard in particular is solely due to supply drying up though.

>>64109539
Yeah at least on the WASRs (and it appears the full-size Draco) you do have:
>ROMARM/CUGIR
>MADE IN ROMANIA
>CAI GEORGIA, VT
on the right side right behind the handguard. But at least however they mark it, they go over it with a finish or the stamp doesn't disturb the finish so it's not too in-your-face. But also marked on the left side too. The parkerized+blued finish makes it blend; can't even see it like 2-3 feet in front of me with kinda shitty indoor lighting.

>>64109770
>/akg/ not circlejerking about (insert $2000-3000 AR brand) and (new gotta have tacticool part that costs $500+) near as much as /arg/ (plus a lot more shits given about old and niche AK variants and furniture)
This is one of the reasons I read /akg/ a lot even if I only own one AK and am far from a collector. Still probably going to be sitting at ~$500 in accessories, etc. put on my WASR though, lol. And shit, if I get a KNS I might as well silence it when tax stamps go to $0.

>>64121750
>46cpr 7.62x39 (shipping filters incl., Tela)
>37.8cpr 5.56 (shipping filter incl., Aguila)
>38.1cpr 5.7 (shipping filters incl., Fiocchi)
Holy fuck. Time to buy a P90. I remember finding some during the ammo shortages when everyone was panic buying and going "damn if only I had bought a PS90 or something." I was just saying today that with tax stamps going to zero (and maybe away if you really believe) it ain't a bad time to buy a PS90.

>>64122869
>going to be sitting at ~$500 in accessories put on my WASR
That's normal for AKs anymore lol, economies of scale et al
Once the bug gets you though it's in for a while. I think I have ~1300 in 3 different guns (WASR, RH10 and a kit build Bulgy 74) just on optics/furniture/mags because for the life of me I cannot enjoy shooting ARs, it just feels "too much like work" if that makes sense.
>I read /akg/ a lot even if I only own one AK and am far from a collector
In the /akg/ of yore, the best of the best was a $400 Saiga from your local big box store covered in the Tapco catalog; we've always been a bit more about "fun" than /arg/. But even now, I think because this is more of an "enthusiast" thread instead of a LARPer thread we just attract a better sort of poster who knows that pricetags don't buy enjoyment.
>might as well silence it
Suppressors are fun, heavily consider doing it.
The market will be OOS for a good while as soon as it happens though, so plan accordingly.

>>64122758
Thanks for the year range; I'm (putting off) making some rough price/date charts for various guns as I find magazines and ADs. Also holy fuck was that black WASR stock weirdly long for you too? I don't know why they didn't just make it surplus AK stock shaped instead of only similar; maybe some weird import stuff? Wouldn't make sense, though, as they're imported with thumbhole stocks IIRC and furniture is swapped out in the US. Or at least other importers do it that way.

>>64122665
This is why you don't take AK advice from AR tripfags, people. They have no clue what they're doing and buy fucking PSA. Stupid faggots

>>64122920
>In the /akg/ of yore, the best of the best was a $400 Saiga from your local big box store covered in the Tapco catalog
I think you're mixing up Armslist with /akg/. That was never acceptable. Anyone posting that shit got told to properly convert it. Even the guys who converted them caught shit for not welding up the rear receiver holes left from the conversion.
Ironic, because now old school boomer aesthetic is kinda kitsch.

>>64122920
>That's normal for AKs anymore lol, economies of scale et al
The $500 is just an estimate for furniture, accessories, etc. once I get around to buying a KNS. Maybe a little more. I think the WASR was ~$8xx because I was impatient and wanted one not thinking they'd come down a little more. Looks like the RI4313-N is still $780-850 though (wtf two UPCs?) so maybe I wasn't as stupid as I thought. Probably will be like $1400-1500 all in gun+accessories before I get a silencer but I don't mind as it's a fun gun; I've spent more on dumber things, though my poor AR I actually use for hunting doesn't even have that much put in it, lol (discounting the fact that I got a good price on it used w/ decent furniture). Next will be another rifle I'll be ~$1500 into with a silencer for hunting. On one hand I wonder WTF I'm doing with my money, on the other I've almost completely stopped myself from buying random junk guns I'll never be able to realistically use (as well as stopping buying junk I really don't need) so that's nice. Probably breaks even despite rare random semi-impulse purchases when something really is stupid cheap.
>/akg/
While there are some brand specific guys in /akg/ it seems that (most) posters will straight up tell you hey, get one of these because (reasons they're good), don't get this or be cautious about this brand/model because (examples), don't be swayed by old import hype, etc. rather than /arg/ "bro I can't believe you spent $1500 on FancyBrandofLastYear 14.5" instead of $3000 on BrandOfMonth 14.5" with $600 scope mount and $1400 optic what is that garbage?"-tier circlejerking.
>[...] heavily consider [silencers, they're fun]
>The market will be OOS [for $0 tax stamps]
I'm into it with two 22 silencers already; considering a third (9mm) and a fourth (22 mag). If I get the $ in time before end of year I'll get one or the other, maybe both, but I'm comfortable waiting and using earpro for 22 mag (though I might have one rated for 22M).

>>64122919
The PS90 is also next on my list to develop an FRT for (already working on two others currently) so you might be able to look forward to that aswell

>>64122947
some guy made an AK from a fucking shovel (as in, literally flattened the shovel blade then stamped it himself into a receiver then used the handle as a stock) and it became such a meme that 8 year olds playing rust now know about it
how the hell does PSA get beat by some drunk retard with a fucking shovel and a few spare parts

>>64122969
I didn't mean the unconverted stuff, Tapco also sold actual AK furniture. That's what I meant.
I remember those "Galil" handguards being everywhere for $15 in 2010, now old Tapco everything is unobtainium and worth a pretty penny.
>>64122981
>stopping buying junk I really don't need
I get that, I still have a few of my own mistakes I need to pawn off.
Getting older you finally realize you can get much cooler shit if you stop buying every shitbox gun because "hey it's $300 for a 300WM!" At least that's how I figured it out.
On the contrary, luv me AUG, best $1700 I've ever spent in one go. Don't buy a bunch of slop, buy a few good guns you can actually enjoy.
>brand wank
We have so little to choose between we can't be elitist on shit other than "that gun will grenade on you, don't buy it." It's a blessing and a curse. I wish we had more options (especially 5.45).

>>64122989
That "drunk retard with a fucking shovel and a few spare parts" was using parts made from actually-to-spec hardened steel with no corners cut (other than his receiver), so that's how.
PSAs don't fail because of their receivers, they fail because of their lockup interface being made of subpar metal.

>>64123004
>Getting older you finally realize you can get much cooler shit if you stop buying every shitbox gun because "hey it's $300 for a 300WM!" At least that's how I figured it out.
this hits so hard, when i first got into guns i bought cheap boomer guns and never cared to shoot them much, and later once i developed a taste i started selling them off at gun shows and buying something more fun
somehow i managed to make a small profit though since i bought those guns mostly before the panic, even though most stalls were trying to rip me off 30%
these days even when i have a legitimate NEED for a gun i'll want to put off buying it because i dont want to make my other guns feel less special to me
>>64123021
i can literally get higher quality parts machined with perfect tolerances and out of D2 from some chinese shitshop like pcbway for like 70 bucks a piece, is PSA really that incapable

>>64123052
>when I first got into guns I bought cheap boomer guns and never cared to shoot them much
True and real
My dumb ass bought a 30-06 TC Compass because "it's really accurate and less than $400" but I live in a "straight-wall only for deer" state (and 30-06 isn't exactly a great PRS round). Worst thing I've done guns-wise, glad to finally not have to look my shame in the eye every time I open the safe.
>is PSA really that incapable
It's price-chasing on quality of product (not just forged and machined but properly hardened), as well as paying builders to do it (almost) correctly with a helping of import bans allowing the price floor to be where it is. It's illegal to import rifle and handgun parts from China, for example; '94 Norinco ban.
American wages do not allow for $600 AKs anymore, even before the bad metallurgy and incorrect rivets.

>>64123004
I'm getting into a "sell junk" era of my life with yardsales, etc. now. Nothing gun related, just old stuff I wanted to save from the trash and spent a couple bucks on here and there. Just got out of hand and I realized how much I was spending. Well, I saved it and it's time for someone else to enjoy it or box it up properly. I still save stuff from (free) junk/trash piles but either it's useful for me or it gets passed to the next person for a couple bucks for someone else to enjoy instead of it getting sent to the dump or burned in a bonfire. Can't tell you how many good gun-related purchases I missed out on for pennies because younger me didn't have the couple bucks they wanted. I'll keep my surplus rifles I bought reasonably cheap (who can pass up a ~$120 .410 Enfield?) but knowing what I know now it's not easy to shoot a lot of the older rifles I've bought. As I was buying those guns, that ammo was only going to get harder and harder to find even then, and now most of the surplus ammo is gone anyways. At this point, it really sucks paying $1.30-2.00+/rd to shoot 20rds for a surplus rifle I might at most hunt deer with some year. They're really nice to look at though lol.

>>64123052
>these days even when i have a legitimate NEED for a gun i'll want to put off buying it because i dont want to make my other guns feel less special to me
I do this too. I have:
>2 WASR upgrades (KNS, maybe silencer)
>22 Mag CZ + silencer (hunting rifle)
>three other guns + accessories
all in the back of my head as a want/need, plus why I may want or need them. I have some long-term wants if I run across a cheap example at the right time, too, but they're somewhat of a side-goal. I'm really hoping for that CZ to come sooner than later, however. But at over $1k/ea I should really pace myself and save my money for actual life stuff. Thank god my side-goal guns aren't too pricey; I love the (often strange looking) cheap vintage stuff.

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in my case my needs are a gun that i can actually mount an optic to for hunting because god knows i couldn't hit a deer for shit with irons, a pistol so i can actually start carrying, and a few potential guns i'll need to buy as a business expense (complicated but it'll earn me more money)

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Yeah I need a scope to hit anything comfortably while hunting, too. It doesn't help I'm mainly a small game hunter (mainly squirrel). I could probably take a deer at 50yds with a peep zeroed to 50; I'm pretty comfortable with A2 irons and the few times I've shot with them at 50 I thought it was pretty easy despite using scopes so much I probably shouldn't hesitate to call scoping literally every rifle I actually shoot (including my WASR very soon) a crutch lol. Forgot the scope for the CZ; need a scope on that one for sure (add a couple hundred $). And yeah, pistol is something I've been neglecting. I have one I trust but I want a slightly different variation of that model that would be way more suited to my preferences.

I hate it, but I also like it.

https://armsofamerica.com/romanian-md-63-5-56-45-akm-battlefield-build-rd-custom/

I get the feeling you guys might be more crafty when it comes to building kit guns and I like posting here anyways, but I have a question about kit builds, specifically a KP31
I was wondering how hard it is to ensure accuracy when you put a gun together yourself, I know I'll have to sight it in, but how can I be so sure that the aim won't be ludicrously off to the point where it requires significant modification to the front sight
Also, the receiver section behind the trunnion is made out of mild steel (because that was the only material i could source for it in the right shape) but the trunnion itself is 4140, is there anything I should be worried about with it?

>>64123596
You can use a laser boresight to ballpark it or if you can peer down the barrel you can strap the gun down and boresight it by pointing the barrel at something and lining up your sights with what you see through the barrel. I haven’t built a KP31, but it looks like the rear leaf sight is riveted in? You could consider putting a small tack weld for a range trip before you commit to the holes in the receiver but you’ll probably be good enough if you just boresight it.

Can’t speak to the durability of the part you’re talking about, but since it’s mild steel just keep on eye out for deformation over time. If if’s not a pressure bearing component the failure mode would likely be it being beat to shit and deforming.

>>64123663
not sure what I wanna do about the rear sight desu
the rivets on it are stuck and bent so drilling them out is gonna be a pain
doing a tack weld is a good idea but it would mean fucking the finish on it, though I'm already refinishing pretty much every other part of the gun to make it match so whats the harm
I'm also not entirely sure how to drift the front sight for windage, its held in by a little dovetail and its round shape makes it impossible to hold in a vice for punching
best i can find is a williams front sight pusher but its pretty expensive so I'd prefer something cheaper
>deformation
it shouldnt be directly load bearing I believe, since the trunnion is what takes most of the forces, but I'm a little worried about the threading at the back of it which a cap screws on over that acts as the recoil spring, I dont want it to lock up

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