Thread 64134897

At what point does "Intimidation over Common Sense" go too far?

>>64134897 (OP)
After around 1.616 x 10^-35 meters, but only because it's hard to reliably measure any smaller.

>>64134897 (OP)
The whole intimidation Tarkin doctrine bullshit is the most retarded mustache twirling thing I have ever read. Slow walking weapon platforms is cool. That's it. Leave it at that.

>>64134897 (OP)
EU non-sense created by autists who watch fairy tales in space but cant stand that it uses fairy tale logic

its a big walking elepehant with guns for tusks because its a movie that wants visually appealing and mechanically complex designs that look imposing for the sake of the audience
it gets defeated by tripping it up because george lucas likes low-tech solutions beating high-tech enemies
and at the end of the day, it was an effective weapon within the logic of the movie, despite taking a couple of losses to the ingenuity of luke, they still accomplish their mission of breaking the main rebel defensive line and knocking out their shield generator

>>64134897 (OP)
Everyone thinks they're tough as shit, until they run into enough BEES!

>>64134923
Its sort of Zahn's fault, sort of not. He was asked to write the first true piece of EU content and, since he was into tactics, felt the need to justify the "fantasy" part of a science fantasy war drama.

>>64134897 (OP)

Battlefield superiority is the ultimate form of intimidation.

*see the Persian Gulf War

That said, putting on a good show on the parade ground is always great for PR, be for your own or your enemies.

>>64134897 (OP)
>THIS RETARDED DESIGN IS FOR INTIMIDATION
>literally no one is intimidated by it

shit writing. i'm sick and tired of fanboys doing mental gymnastics to justify lazy ass writing

>>64134897 (OP)
>Intimidation

where is it ever said they were built for intimidation. where is it ever said that they successfully intimidated an opponent?

>>64134897 (OP)
Probably stuff like using what few long range PGM’s you have to intentionally kill civilians instead of striking military targets.

>>64134897 (OP)
Never.

>>64135046

A surprisingly common theme throughout history.

>>64135051
>where is it ever said they were built for intimidation.
tarkin doctrine, something introduced in the EU to justify the fantastical designs used in the movies, because sci-fi writers are embarassed by their casual-FTL capable, rubber B movie-alien filled, space fantasy being unrealistic

like a lot of things in the EU, they take a single line from the movie and stretch it so that it is a universal truth
>tarkin says the death star will keep the systems in line through fear, therefore anything the empire does is through fear
>the only twi lek we see in the movies are a slave girl and a thug, so every twi lek is a slave or a thug
>boba fett wears mandalorian armor (mentioned only once in the script) therefore all mandalorians are bucket-headed warriors
>"i cant see a thing in this helmet", literally something mark hamill said when he thought the camera wasnt running, so stormtroopers are all wearing lowest bidder gear
>TIEs get called a short range fighter (they have no hyperdrive), all their pilots wear masks with tubes to dehumanize them (no life support), they die in one hit because special effects werent good enough to show shields working properly even though in-camera shots show explosions all around them (no shields equipped)
>rebels are mentioned as making sneak attacks from yavin 4, so they must be ragtag underequipped forces who purely fight special ops, even though george lucas said he patterned them after washingtons continental army and mostly envisioned a true civil war rather than an empire fighting an insurgency

>>64134951
And then there was Dark Empire which just shat on everything he tried to do.

>>64134923
the entire EU is autistic nerds who couldn't leave well enough alone

>>64135100
>even though george lucas said he patterned them after washingtons continental army

Confederate States Army too. General Dodonna is based on Robert E. Lee, Count Dooku is played by a literal distant relative of Robert E. Lee.

>>64135100
>envisioned a true civil war rather than an empire fighting an insurgency
The first and second movie heavily implies a severe lack of rebel military power. And the third movie has them do a fleet battle but it was basically a desperation move.

>>64135206
the strike on the death star was done by 30 snub fighters because the death star was protected against capital ships specifically
the second movie is an imperial victory, but it was still a conventional battle
the third movie is just an actual large scale fleet battle

the empire was always intended to be larger than the rebellion, fitting in with the scrappy underdog story that george lucas wanted
but he did not envision them as solely vietcong-style guerilla warriors, they have capital ships, they have a conventional military structure with ranks, and they had already won a major victory prior to the attack on the death star
smaller than the empire but not anywhere close to a pure insurgency

>>64135100
>tarkin doctrine, something introduced in the EU to justify the fantastical designs used in the movies
It gives the real nerds something to play with. Its sci-fi about space wizards with magic space swords. Realism is not a factor.

>>64135127
>Count Dooku is played by a literal distant relative of Robert E. Lee.
I want to believe Lucas was metaphysically trolling with with this.

>>64134897 (OP)
those walkers are meant for shore insertion and treeline fights

>>64135294
Ur mum is meant for shore insertion.

>>64135236
>the third movie is just an actual large scale fleet battle
Its kinda funny but in retrospect the whole DARK WIZARD vs PUREHEARTED PALADIN magic showdown going down on the bridge contributed nothing.
The Rebels would have won anyway and the Emperor was going to explode, so... hoo rah?

>>64134897 (OP)
These fucking walkers are good and I won't accept any other answer. You're not getting through that much armor and it is blowing you up with a series of heavy cannons. That tripping thing with the wires was some bullshit that would get shut down if the empire was allowed to deploy their tanks along with their walkers (they can't because then they'd win).

>>64135397
the emperor getting thrown down the shaft meant there was no way he could escape from the death star and the only reason vader isnt murdering the rebel strike team is because he is on the death star bringing luke to the emperor, because palps actually didnt detect luke when vader could

but more importantly than the military aspect is the personal stakes
luke doesnt just want to beat the emperor, he wants to bring his father back to his side because he knows there is still a tiny sliver of good in him
the throne room scene is still the best scene in any of the movies that wraps up lukes perosnal journey and, retroactively with the prequels, also vaders

>>64135451
but he did escape from the death star and he made a clone of himself and he took over the galaxy again

>>64135470
>but he did escape from the death star
>r and he made a clone of himself and he took over the galaxy again
he wouldnt need a clone if he escaped
think, genius

>>64134897 (OP)
It's a movie.
It's supposed to look cool.
Giant robot stegosaurus with enough armor and armament to singlehandedly standoff a mechanized battalion is fucking cool.

Stop thinking so much it makes a person dull in other eaqually important areas.

>>64134897 (OP)
Don't SWATs wear black camo just for the psychological effect, even though it's already been proven in the 90s that it's shit?
Although I'm seeing a shift towards ranger green and multicam especially for US SWATs.
I am only guessing that intimidation is viable for untrained civilians

>>64135484
camo has little effect on their job anyways, since SWAT operates indoors, or at least in urban or suburban areas, at close range against enemies who are expecting them
the switch to military camo is more due to cost than it is to a desire to hide, since they are getting a lot of second hand gear

>>64135100
>People being paid to expand on the movies use the movies as a starting point and expand upon them
Whoa

>>64135477
his body was the only thing that exploded. his spirit escaped. metaphysisicate urself my man

>>64135499
normal people would look at a CRIME boss and think maybe he hires criminals and that they arent necessarily representative of all their people
but nah, the EU writers decided that jabbas palace is literally a screenshot of the entirety of outer rim society

As we see in RotJ, with the AT-AT's ambling through Endor Moon's forest, their slender legs can weave between small trunks and advance the fighting compartment smoothly. With how the chassis stands midline to the canopy, an AT-AT could act as a mobile helipad or firebase, or pull up directly alongside the Ewoks' treehouses. (Broadside / drive-by shooting)
It's down to the limited imagination (and budgets) of Hollywood producers, to never show an AT-AT's various potential utilities onscreen.
>ur crazy, it has no utilities
No doubt it's silly, but the point is to have fun & fantastical answers to problems. And "Helipad Dinosaur" is like that.

>>64134944
>it's a war elephant with guns for tusks
Crazy to me, how so few people break down what's under the hood with Star Wars.
Most nerds don't want to understand what's playing on their minds. They just want Escape and that's it.

I'll also point out the AT-AT's main compartment resembles an A7V.
I have doubts that Lucas was enough of a war history nerd, to know about the A7V in the 1960's-70's when he was dreaming up this Buck Rogers / Flash Gordon tribute...
... but since Galactic Empire is mostly German Axis (with IJN uniform accents), it'd make sense.

>>64135539
That's very different from what happened with Tarkin Doctrine, if anything it's an example of the opposite.
Bad EU and modern spinoff writers do what you're talking about, just universalise stuff out from the OT. The better ones lean into a strength of the original films, the sense of a world beyond the frame, and try to reverse-engineer context for stuff that seems like it might have a meaning.
Tarkin Doctrine does it well because it's consistent with the overall portrayal of the Empire throughout the films. They like their ships intimidating, their soldiers faceless and their superweapons planet-killing.

If you want to write a book about an antagonist that wins because he doesn't fight like normal Imperials, you first need to define how normal Imperials fight and the way Zahn did it fits pretty well with on-screen depictions. Was it precisely what was in George Lucas' brain when he was drafting the OT? Of course not, but nobody serious is suggesting it is.

Sometimes, just universalising can work. TCW shows a late war Republic court martial, and the facility looks just like the Death Star's detention blocks and hallways. But in that case, it's being done to make a point, which is that the Empire was a rot over time and a good system didn't just turn bad the second the dictator got wrinkly.
By the same token, when Andor wanted to show a similar facility, it went full the other way and not only didn't repeat things, it even pulled on another Lucas film for inspiration. THX 1138 informed some of how they portrayed the panopticon prison, which was both fully original and very fitting as an expansion on the setting.

>>64135127
>mfw
I never realized that until now.

>>64135484
Pre-GWoT SWAT wore black because one of the driving forces for the creation of SWAT was the 1980 Iranian embassy siege and the SAS wore black during Operation Nimrod. Post GWoT the outfit switch is mainly due to getting cheap surplus.

>>64135484
I guess so, but then again you dont see SWAT agents running around with golden helmets, devil horns, flamethrower jetpacks, and boomboxes blasting demonic laughter and banshee screams while they raid.

>>64135557
Lucas said the AT-AT was inspired by dockyard cranes

>>64135100
>be me
>struggling author
>get hired to expand the setting from some stupid blockbuster movie
>hmmmm
>main character lives on a big farm worked by slaves
>make the setting have a largely agricultural economy dependent on slave labor, in fact, divide the entire country into slaves and free people based on skin tone because someone called one of the slaves a 'darkie'.
>woman goes through a difficult labor
>make childbirth a leading cause of death for ALL women
>scene with a bunch of wounded soldiers with bandaged arms and legs that happen to be near a train station
>make the weapons of the setting produce horrible injuries often requiring amputations, also trains are really important in the war too
>dramatic part of the movie where the enemy burns down the town
>make the enemy general's whole schtick being a so-called 'scorched earth' strategy, and give him a real scene chewing line like "War is hell" just to sell how evil he is
>male lead says something about how he doesn't care about a cause unless it's already hopeless or something
>make the entire EU revolve around a belief in a 'lost cause myth' that really just exists to extend the war story well past it's already established canonical endpoint (seriously, it stops midway through the movie itself but the IP owner wants the 'slave war' thing to still be relevant to the setting even decades afterwards so...)
>some throwaway line about something call quinine which we know exactly one thing about: children think it tastes unpleasant
>invent whole stupid disease that kills a bajillion people every year and the cure for it happens to be the exact thing they said to put on babies' thumbs to stop them sucking on them b/c i don't give a shit about this stupid drivel that was written by some fucking hack who thought "North" and "South" were good names for countries, my check will cash either way

>>64135653
That's not intimidating. That's fucking ludicrous.

>>64135678
>I-i-i-is that a dockyard crane? ahhhhhhhhh im going insannnnnnnnnne
why is boomer like this???

>>64135653
I think that means you're getting raided by KISS, not SWAT.

>>64135678
Nta, but go look at where an AT-AT's knee is located and tell me it isn't a goddamn elephant.

>>64135539
The Hutts are meant to be the physical embodiment of all 7 deadly sins. If you see Jabba and go "I'm sure the rest of them are normal" you've somehow managed to have the world's bluntest visual storytelling spike driven clean through your skull without it hitting a single neuron on the way.

>>64135681
none of that has anything to do with lazy EU writers using an ad libbed line from the actor that wasnt even meant to be in the movie to explain why stormtroopers cant hit anything

the obvious reason is because luke getting shot and killed 20 minutes into the movie by stormtroopers equipped with aimbot is boring
but we cant just accept storytelling as the reason why a story is told the way it is, we need to take that one line from the story and spin it so every stormtrooper has an improprly fitted helmet

>>64135791
>jabba has a slave girl twi lek and his right hand man is a sycophantic slave girl
>to we be sane and just say he bought a slave and hired a thug because he is himself a crime lord, and them being twi leks was just a coincidence
>or do we say every single twi lek is either a slave or a criminal
the EU writers chose the second path

>>64135539
>and that they arent necessarily representative of all their people
Nah, let's just make them an entire race of crime lords, that makes much more sense

>>64135798
yes but have you considered that the idea of a species of hot aliens whose women are genetically inclined towards being sex slaves makes my dick twitch

>>64135792
>Realism autist can't comprehend writing fiction books or suspension of disbelief through expanding ideas from the source material.

Every time. I'm just glad you're not bitching about soft sci fi existing in the first place. Just accept the cookyness and enjoy it or move on. This joylessness is dumb.

>>64135557
The AT-AT is probably more inspired by the LVTP-5 than the A7V. The people making ESB would have been familiar with it from TV news during Vietnam, there's Lucas' whole Rebellion=Vietcong/Empire=US thing, and well, it literally was an all-terrain armored transport

>>64134897 (OP)
Werent they highly effective in universe? I thought they dropped a firing line of these and whatever they were advancing toward was fucked, they took the hoth bunker and btfo the rebels after all

>>64135798
You know a setting where every alien species is exactly like humans except they have latex glued to their faces isn't that interesting, right?

>>64135857
This. They lost a total of 2 APCs (one of them to a space wizard's laser sword) taking the enemy's most heavily fortified base

>>64135865
you know, you dont have to base every single facet of an alien species based solely on two characters who were likely outliers, right?

>>64135881
You dont have to, but you can and they did, fag

>>64135881
You seem to believe that soft science fiction's purpose is to be 'statistically representative' and not 'entertaining'.

>>64135896
>and they did
and they repeated this process to every single species seen in the OT and it was stupid
when george actually had the chance to add his input into a show, we got much more varied individuals within the universe

the second toydarian we see is a fairly respectable king who tries to give both the republic and the seppies a fair shake and then chooses the republic after yoda wins the "contest" fair and square
in stark contrast to watto from episode 1

if the EU had been allowed to write that, they would have just made every toydarian a money grubbing merchant

>>64135809
No. They should take time to show a Twi'lek female who is a volunteer crossing guard at an elementary school. That's what people want from a franchise called SPACE FIGHT

>>64134897 (OP)
Only cool and useful if they had shield generators.

>>64135926
>can have shields on fighters
>not on AT-ATs
why though

>>64134897 (OP)
Right about here.

>>64134923
George Lucas wasn't a military expert anon

>>64135958
retard

>>64135857
>>64135877
Hoth really is my favourite example of the verisimilitude that carries the OT and makes people want to flesh it out.
The Empire scouts it, learns enough information to work up a plan (jump to the system outside sensor range, deploy a force that'll be hard to detect, achieve surprise and either outright destroy or significantly cripple the centre of the Rebellion), fuck it up for a plausible reason (an over-confident captain not understanding the importance of surprise to the plan), then still developing a workable second plan (deploy a mechanized unit to take out the shield generator, then land an overwhelming infantry force while the ISDs intercept any attempting to flee).
The Rebels also get to be smart. They're scouting their perimeter and immediately understand the threat of being detected, have a really good contingency plan they're able to implement in time (defence-in-depth and staggered retreat to keep the shield in play as long as possible, planned evacuation order with assigned transports and escorts, multiple paths to the rally point, and a ground asset specifically there because trying a large scale blockade run with their transports would be suicide) and they carry it out well. Empire wins a tactical victory but still suffers a strategic defeat.
Nobody's plans rely on named characters carrying the day. Luke's out there because he's important enough to lead a squadron but still 'just' a pilot, hell even him getting shot down doesn't matter much because his wingmen are professionals that know how to keep doing their jobs. Vader's on the ground because on top of being a hands-on leader, he's specifically trying to find Luke and also probably the only reliable way they have to fight a Jedi in case he's been training.
They never draw attention to it but I always loved the detail of the evacuation shuttles and escorts taking off from a staging area away from the base, instead of the main hangers.
It's all there, just not focused on.

The more you look into star wars lore both "cannon" and EU, the more you realize that the republic didn't actually formally die until the beginning of a new hope with the dissolution of the senate. The entire cause of the downfall of the empire was the corrupt republic the palpy himself made worse by keeping as a zombie in order to create a generation normalized into an "empire". Because of this, the entire military was just SS-tier true believers or those abusing that fact to gain personal prestige, both of whom lead to rot and wastefulness, and both of which is a carry-over from the republic.

>>64134897 (OP)
When you realize that ultimately George did this as a fuck you for Tomino taking the Beam Saber concept from the Lightsaber and proved that walking mecha are actually a fucking joke. Power armor however...

>>64136073
>walking mecha are actually a fucking joke
You take that back you whoreson

>>64136073
>George Lucas made a creative decision on a film he wasn't directing that was already midway through production, specifically altering a scene where location shooting had begun a month before Gundam even started airing in Japan, to spite a moderately popular anime he had no way of having seen that was ultimately just agreeing that sci-fi samurai is a rad idea
Damn, I had no idea he was such a powerful hater.

>>64135557
>A7V
>Axis
Fucking retard

>>64135416
You don't need to get through the main armor if you can disable the legs.

Palpatine ran things based on future sight and wisdom of the Dark Side. He was constantly consulting the Force. At his level these things are dealt in the realm of fate and karmic destiny etc. The ONLY reason why he didn't pull through in the end was because the Light Side blindsided him with a 50-yard touchdown by Luke, a Force WMD. That blindness to the last minute turnaround play might be a weakness of the Dark Side.

>>64135061
Besides the overly exposed bridge, the Star Destroyer design is quite sensible, triangle shape makes sense for maximizing forward-facing gun batteries

>>64138333
>Besides the overly exposed bridge
Yeah?

>>64135935
>why though
That is a good question, the only examples I can think of for a shielded walker are the Umbaran centipede tank and the big mobile gun they use. A AT-AT or a turbo tank should be able to use a ship grade shield generator.

>>64140608
I could see some bullshit about ground contact being an issue.
On the other hand, they could straight-up already have basic deflectors. In the films fighters don't tend to survive direct hits with them up anyway, and the more impressive ones probably take enough power and dedicated space that you need to specifically design to include them and at the cost of other capabilities, and cost.

>>64140608
Pretty sure these ugly fuckers were also ray-shielded.

Honestly, not sure why the Empire elected not to do that to the AT-AT and rely instead on pure armor plating. Then again, it works alright, the only weakpoints are the neck, and unexpected meddling by a dude with an anti-everything sword.

>>64135484
>Hummer, ARs and a PKM
Where is this? Eastern Europe?

>>64135935
Because its Star Wars and you arent supposed to think about it

>>64135834
Kookiness?

>>64135484
One effect of everyone wearing black is that they appear as one mass of arms and legs and masks, and it hard to tell how many people are present. Rioters also employ this tactic with "black block" in which everyone wears black to obscure the number of individuals in a mass. Also, everyone wants to look like a ninja.

>>64140953
A hoodie ninja?

>>64140928
In particular I think it's really important that the plan isn't just for the heroes to go do hero shit. Among other issues, the sequels really suffered from the growing sensation that this entire universe currently revolves entirely around half a dozen people, and everyone else in frame is fully aware of it.
Nothing wrong with the dashing band of heroes carrying the day in your big budget Flash Gordon homage, but you create a much more compelling world when you convince me people weren't entirely counting on it.
Han comes back to cover Luke and Luke turns off the targetting computer and blows up the Death Star but that was a deviation, not the plan. We saw the room full of pros being briefed on the plan and them trying to execute it, they just couldn't quite bring it home. The entire fate of the Rebellion wasn't knowingly, deliberately balanced on the head of some farm kid that showed up an hour ago and said he can fly.

RotJ's choice of shield generator team has always been odd, but you could replace them with, I dunno, Cassian Andor's secret twin who's also a morally grey intelligence operative and a commando unit and have an equally coherent plan.

>>64141182
>RotJ's choice of shield generator team has always been odd
it was up to leia to choose her handpicked strike team
luke arrived at the last minute unannounced and there wasnt any particular reason to turn down the help of a glowbat user - vader being able to sense luke was something they didnt anticipate

the real reason why the main 3 characters and both droids were there was because they needed luke to confront leia about being siblings and han needs to declare his love to leia
R2 isnt just any astromech, he is the best astromech
C-3P0 is the one who was only there for no real reason, but he ended up being vital anyways by communicating to the ewoks
C-3P0 retelling the events of the first 2 movies leading up to that moment before the big battle is also a really underrated scene, with the ewoks totally engrossed by the campfire listening to a farmboy named luke travelling a great distance to defeat an evil wizard

and then we need all the named characters in one place, because this was intended to be the grand finale (and even with the sequels it is still the the finale for luke and anakin in particular)

Blacks and their guns

>>64135100
I hate when they do that. Original John Wick breaks open his gun stash with some gold bullion and next 10 movies make him a part of international syndicate of killers with their own cursed currency. Can't a mafia dude just keep a few coins for untraceable bail money?

>>64134951
Zahn asked Lucasfilm for background info and they sent him the 1989 West End Games Star Wars Roleplaying Game Sourcebook. Almost every thing in Hier to the Empire came from that book.

>>64134897 (OP)
>At what point does "Intimidation over Common Sense" go too far?
dropping ordnance to scare the enemy instead of outright killing them

>>64141303
>t. fell asleep after 20 minutes of John Wick 1

>>64134897 (OP)
The attack doesn't make sense. You need speeder equivalents for the empire first, followed by the IFV/APC train and dismounts but covered by AT-ST before the AT-AT shows up, at range, and bombards, while coordinating orbital attacks.
All those people don't run the AT, they do SIGINT, comms, mapping etc etc.

>>64135236
They don't control territory. They operate out of bases hidden in the vastness of space. When the empire discovers a base they scatter.
>hey have a conventional military structure with ranks,
The National Liberation Front of South Vietnam had a military structure. Never mind that they had backing from North Vietnam and could use their territory to retreat.

>>64141513
>They don't control territory. They operate out of bases hidden in the vastness of space. When the empire discovers a base they scatter.
that tidbit was written later, it wasnt canon at the time the movie was written
they were the continental army, not the taliban

>>64135236
>smaller than the empire but not anywhere close to a pure insurgency
Lucas was probably strongly influenced by the many insurgencies that followed WW2 and was current at the time, Vietnam just being the most high profile
also, there is no such thing as a "pure insurgency", at least not a successful one; every successful "insurgency" was backed by either a massive breakaway section of the nation (North Vietnam) and/or a powerful major power (e.g Russia and China for Vietnam)

>>64141523
>that tidbit was written later, it wasnt canon at the time the movie was written
my dude, ANH's opening crawl literally talks about hidden bases, and Tarkin does nothing the whole movie BUT look for hidden Rebel bases

what did come later was the retcons that ackshually there are major systems and entire swathes of space outside Empire control, such as Corellia, Hutt space, Black Sun, etc

>>64141523
It's the plot of the first movie. Lord Darth Vader is trying to locate the base hidden on Yavin IV. They obliterate Alderan as part of an attempt to get Leia reveal it to them but she only gave the base on Dantooine that was already abandoned. Eventually they find it with a homing beacon.
Likewise in Empire Strike Back the rebels are hidden on Hoth and make a run for it after getting discovered by Seeker droids.

>>64141550
>my dude, ANH's opening crawl literally talks about hidden bases, and Tarkin does nothing the whole movie BUT look for hidden Rebel bases
having a hidden base was later extrapolated in the WEG to mean that they were a super-duper, underequiped, borderline GLA tier insurgency instead of a well-equipped, modern, conventional army that was just engaging in hit and run attacks

>>64141523
>>64141565
Why do the off-topic Sci-Fi threads always seem to bring in the most retarded autists.

Whenever I browse them always seems to be some dweeb going on about his dumb headcanon and what the movies actually meant.

>>64141565
other way round

Casual reminder that staying on a planet if you're space capable is absolutely retarded, as are "space stations". Every spaceship is a space station. Voluntarily staying in a gravity well serves *no point*. There is 0 point in having planetary bases or installations. It's just as easy to build a 10 km ship or a 100 m ship in space. Put your industrial installations on a space-born platform, add a hyperdrive, done. Now go mine asteroid belts and park your (mobile) industrial facilities right next to it instead of stupid gravity wells.

Fucking planet shits. Whenever I play Empire At War I don't even fucking bother with planets (or invading them) I just blow them up. Just imagine all the resources that suddenly become available that you no longer have to peel from the thin top layer crust of a planet and then send it into space. You could build entire Dyson spheres with that material, nevermind death stars.

TOTAL PLANET DEATH

>>64141588
pretty sure even in EAW planetary mines give you massive income; asteroidal ruins of former planets don't

>>64141470
I can believe that. Roleplaying books always do the "all it takes is one small thing and they apply it to the entire universe" thing that the anon is complaining about and caricature and exaggerate it to ridiculous amounts. Subtlety is not their strong point.

>>64141617
I had that but the like 92 or 93 edition made more sense plus the RPG magazine had a ton of content. SW would be so much better if it was a slave to RPG rules.
The ATs either -ST or -AT make way more sense if used differently. Hell Endor was a top to bottom North Korea in Space shitshow of an Imperial op.

>>64134897 (OP)
>OH MY JEWISH HOLLYWOOD SLOP HOW WHOLESOME!
Why are autists like this? Take this shit back to >>>/tv/

>>64141235
Oh I totally understand it from a storytelling standpoint, it works. But in-universe it always struck me that the princess and the ice cube in recovery that couldn't see two hours ago maybe weren't the ideal picks.
My point was more that the plan is still coherent and not purely hinging on the fact that they're the main cast, if that makes sense.

>>64135100
All those things make sense for other reasons. Not just your reasons. TIE doctrine exists because assault carriers exist. Mandalorian stuff was extracted from several one liners, but it is a good and useful plot element. One-fits-all junk is the hallmark of big balls power going imperial. Rebels are variously power matched but yes we haven't seen a fancy stand-up slugfest. Months long, like the Sith Warlord campaigns.They're doing Revan though.

>>64135127
Confederate were any non-empire non-rebel force, unless they're "other" like japanese or african or somewhere back in WWII that was seldom heard from.
Dooku is a perfect confederate. Or england's Stuarts.

>>64135288
Yes but there is enough out there to reform, slash the nonsense, get consistent rule but leave the "mythic" plotlines. DUMP THE BETWEEN WORLDS SHIT. Dump every disney thing like a bad shit.
Skin it to Palladium rules and make it work. Make book and movie writers roll fucking dice on a table.

>>64141677
>Make book and movie writers roll fucking dice on a table.
it's not conflict resolution that writers suck at, dumbass; it's filling in the cracks about how things work, which you only can gain from learning about civilisations, not randomising results
writers should be made to reference every fictional fact they write with a historical precedent or analogue. anything new, untried and untested must be defended with reasoning based on historical facts
e.g. Mon Cal cruisers should be well-armed but have tissuepaper for armour/shields, because their nearest historical analogues are auxiliary merchant cruisers like the Kormoran

>>64142159
that shakes out when you have to wargame it all

>>64142176
it doesn't, because a wargame is only as good as its design. you can try to create a believable scifi universe by "wargaming" it out on tic tac toe. not going to work.
so you need to create a wargame which is realistic. to do that you need to learn about the history of war. which brings us back to... learning about history and the world around you

>>64142201
ok, Palladium, checkmate

>>64134897 (OP)
>when you nuke two cities knowing full well that if the enemy doesn't blink you'll have to throw away millions of lives in an invasion

>>64134897 (OP)
>At what point does "Intimidation over Common Sense" go too far?
Cost-effectiveness,
If both your enemies & your population think your army is a joke you failed
If your population is proud and your enemies are demotivated to still be losing against your shit, you've won.

>>64134944
>it gets defeated by tripping it up because george lucas likes low-tech solutions beating high-tech enemies
Kinda like Ukrainian using drone to blow up Russian strategic bomber?

>and at the end of the day, it was an effective weapon within the logic of the movie, despite taking a couple of losses to the ingenuity of luke, they still accomplish their mission of breaking the main rebel defensive line and knocking out their shield generator
That's true, they survived heavy defensive fire

>>64134948
>Every rebels thinks they're tough as shit, until they run into enough TIE fighter
fixed that for you

>>64135470
that never happened

>>64141588
Is this a thinly veiled Zeon shitpost?

>>64134897 (OP)
>>64135294
>>64135557
>>64135416
EMPIRE COMM: "To all AT-AT unit, you have orders to immediately stop if you see a Rebel swirling around, they managed to trip one walker using cables. Coordinate with nearby units and have one of the onboard stormtrooper checking for cables."

>>64135484
>SWATs
One tactic involve shutting down power at night and rushing in wearing night-vision google.
Better be black

>>64135969
One great little scene in particular that elevates the OT and exemplifies the stupidity of the sequels is when Leia is briefing the pilots who will be escorting the escape transports

> leia is dressed practically for the weather in a uniform that basically resembles the infantry, her only small bit of ornamantation is somw hair braids which are still tight to her head and won't get in the way, but befitting someone who is royalty and holds a politically significant position
> she slowly and clearly explains the escape plan to a large group of pilots, including the need to stretch themselves thin due to a lack of resources
> when one pilot complains, instead of losing her cool and interpreting it as a personal attack, she calmly explains that the ion cannon's fire will make up the difference
> deliberately asks if there are any further questions, and when there aren't any, she wishes everyone good luck

conpare this to fucking Holdo in the last jedi:
> no uniform, wears a fancy dinner gown and takes time to dye her hair bright pink during an active military conflict to seperate herself from the men she commands and draw attention to herself, despite not being royalty (how is she even an admiral?)
> keeps all her plans to herself, refusing to explain things even to an important commander (poe), this compels him to form his own dangerous plans
> consistently talks down to everyone and cites her rank as her excuse
> her incompetence leads to the lifeboat massacre that gets most of the rebellion fucking killed

>>64135792
>explain why stormtroopers cant hit anything
>stormtroopers equipped with aimbot is boring
Silly anon,
In the far future everyone use aimbot gun and everyone buy aimbot jammer
Rebels who can't afford aimbot decided to just learn to shoot by themselves and use jammers
The Empire doctrine forbid soldier to deactivate their commonly used same-for-all aimbot
Empire soldiers are trained to never take cover because cover cannot stand most modern weapon so relying on cover is dangerous, in spaceship walls is where the energy-pipe goes so you don't want to be near one when they explode
(actually it's just to strike fear into the enemy)

>my pic
In case you wonder, yes the blond dude is meant to have a poor english, I had forgot about it

>>64142588
>conpare this to fucking Holdo in the last jedi:
everyone knows that the writers were trying to pull the good old
>hah you thought she was a bitch but you're wrong you misogynistic BIGOT
and it backfired spectacularly

>>64135397

That was arguably the point. Because Palpatine is too busy playing mind games with Luke and Vader, he’s not paying attention to the deteriorating situation on the ground or even in orbit.

Imagine how the outcome of the battle might have changed if he had ordered additional stormtroopers deployed onto Endor to back up the 501st Legion.

>>64135484

SWAT mainly wear black because of its similarity to the dark blue most American municipal police already wear.

>>64135557
>>64135678
>>64135846

AT-ATs are actually mainly based on the Department of Defense’s “walking truck” prototypes built by General Electric in the 1960s. They were ultimately rejected for the same reason that they’re pieces of shit in the Star Wars universe. They were slow, unwieldy, and prone to sinking on loose ground.

>>64142567
Just the addition two more of those blaster cannons mounted on the flanks would make the design way less retarded, and I’m saying this as someone who loves the AT-AT.

adulthood is acknowledging that the AT-TE is the most practical walker design of all

>>64141303
The first movie was the only good one

>>64143377
>tank
>for busting heavily defended enemy fortifications with
>front made of big exposed glass windows

after you add a fifth row of oars

>>64143377
even as a child the cockpit and exposed gunner always struck me as exceedingly retarded
picrel was way cooler, I wish one showed up in episode three

>>64143377
REPUBLIC FUCKING SHITS
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>64143377
Maybe if the crew were at the back of the machine and not so utterly exposed and poorly protected

>>64143476
To be honest the droids should have easily mogged the clones in battle, now matter how much Palpatine was hamstringing them strategically to prevent conflict with his real plan.

>>64142567
>rangefinder on an energy weapon without ballistic trajectory

This is the best walker the the galaxy

>>64144315
Can these things run fast?

>>64144327
No, only goes 56mph

>>64135484
Everyone replying is seemingly forgetting another simple reason, IFF. Ironically >>64135653 would serve the same purpose so long as you make sure you familiarize yourself enough with Officer XxXKillHAZE420XxX's Ginyu Force X Helldivers crossover cosplay to not shoot him by accident in a split second reaction during a very high stress environment.
But instead of trying to remember what stupid cosmetics everyone decided to wear today it makes it much easier to just do all your training with a coherent color scheme.

>>64144252
In one of the gay new movies turbo laser shots from capital ships arc like cannon balls and have a range of only a few miles.

>>64134897 (OP)
Well you see it went like this
>Palpatine was very drunk and decided he wanted a robot version of those giant dinos the Gungans used during the first episode specifically so he could flex on those fishniggers

If we assume some alternative universe where the series is written in chronological order you could say that they're basically mechanical versions of the giant dinos the Gungans used to carry shield generators, and handwave some kind of excuse like "shield generators need to be mounted X meters above the ground" and "shield generators don't work with hover/tread/wheeled vehicles, they specifically need big flat feet to ground the shield" or something, then just slap a big fucking shield on the ATAT, and hey now you have a strategically critical weapons system.

Really just saying "oh uhh shields only work with legs :^)" is all the justification you need to make impractical but cool mechs of any size or shape have a legitimate reason to exist in a given setting.

>>64141516
She's a big gorl.

>>64143394
>a constant porno, Luke

>>64143377
Criticisms of the AT-TE from a practicality standpoint are just.

However, I don't care. It's fucking cool.

>>64144252
To set gun convergence on-the-fly.

>>64144541
Can't those things literally walk on 90 degree sheer stone walls
That's a pretty fuckin unique feature

And the idea of something that isn't sure if it's meant to act as mobile artillery, troop carrier, or command base is exactly the kind of retarded shit you might expect from a civilization that hasn't had a war in so long there wasn't even an official military for the Republic. (Even if saying "they're retarded on purpose is purely just post movie EU cope)

>>64144725
>from a civilization that hasn't had a war in so long there wasn't even an official military for the Republic
Is that weird? Like there's no official army for the EU but each country has their own armies.

>>64144725
>>64144745
Wasn't there something about the last galatic war being waged with melee weapons? I'm not talking about lightsabers too.

>>64144753
That's a KOTOR thing and it was because energy shields became so common that hand to hand combat saw a resurgence with swords suddenly becoming viable weapons of war again. Basically the setting became Dune.

>>64144780
While I love KOTOR for bothering to explain swords in a laser gun setting, it just raises the question of why everyone doesn't use energy shields in the modern setting too. So that kind of sucks.
>they're just super duper rare!
Cool anyway when the Empire rules the entire Galaxy they should at least have Vader equipped with an Echani Shield on one arm and a 5/5 Arkanian Power Shield on the other.

>>64144868
I don't know the actual lore but I would presume it's a simple advancement of tech
>Blasters invented
>Blasts shit
>Shields invented
>Shields shit
>Blaster improves to defeat shield
>Shield improves to defeat blaster
>Repeat until the technology reaches it's maximum efficiency according to the laws of physics of that setting
>Now Shields are the kind of thing you see used for special characters but aren't common because shields good enough to stop modern blasters are too expensive, bulky, etc to be used by all the mooks because a shield from KOTOR being used to stop a Stormtrooper not-sten would be like someone in a suit of full plate, so basically pretty fucking well kitted when it was new, vs someone armed with a Sigger Spear or whatever the newest "armor piercing" rifle is
Sure you can buy a suit of armor that can stop a Spear, but it's going to be fucking EXPENSIVE, and probably too heavy to be practical anyway.

But knowing star wars a gun from the KOTR era is probably stronger than a modern one anyway because *bad writing*

whoever came up with the Jedi lightsaber styles was absolutely brilliant (I think Nick Gillard?), it's such a simple bit of lore that adds so much depth

>>64144780
>>64144868
that said, trying to make melee combat A Thing is retarded and I much preferred the older explanation: "because they're Jedi, they have the superhuman reflexes and Force perception to make lightsabers work in a galaxy of blasters"

>Day 1000 of the 3-Parsec Special Military Operation to de-Separate the Outer Rim
>Acclamator and Venator classes functionally extinct, Republic Navy is forced to pull increasing numbers of Mandalorian Wars-era Hammerhead and Interdictor-class cruisers from scrapyards on Raxus Prime to make up for losses
>Republic’s flagship, the Centurion-class battlecruiser Ravager, was destroyed after the CIS successfully distracted the crew with a sign reading “Force users here, free food” and launched a proton torpedo into its exposed core
>culture of institutionalized ass rape has permeated every level of the Grand Army of the Republic, buzz droids have been recorded dropping thermal detonators on clone troopers sucking each others’ dicks at least 66 times in the last week
>it’s been a year since General Anakin Skywalker was killed when his shuttle mysteriously exploded shortly after he led the convicted rapists of the 501st Legion in a failed coup against Palpatine, claiming that he was a Sith Lord, getting to the very gates of Coruscant and completely routing Palpatine’s vaunted clone shock troopers before Jabba the Hutt negotiated a truce
>Milblogger, Republican shill, and convicted pedophile Dave Filoni was detained by clone troopers on suspicion of being a Separatist spy and subsequently gang-raped to death
>AT-TEs are regularly destroyed by Hailfire droids despite being equipped with cope force fields
>so many Borg volunteers sent to help retake Naboo oblast have been killed that the Borg Queen has ordered the survivors pulled off the frontlines (having to fight off Wookie blocking detachments who try to rape them) and sent back to the Delta Quadrant
>despite all of this, Chancellor Palpatine is confident that a complete Republic victory is a mere two parsecs away and that everyone should "trust the Grand Plan" due to flow of supplies from the UNSC to the CIS being recently slowed following the election of Lord Hood on an isolationist platform

>>64145318
>Milblogger, Republican shill, and convicted pedophile Dave Filoni was detained by clone troopers on suspicion of being a Separatist spy and subsequently gang-raped to death
I see that as an absolute win

Orks walkers are just cooler

>>64142588
I'm sympathetic to a lot of what TLJ wanted to do big-picture but the implementation of a lot of it was just botched to hell unfortunately.
Like the Holdo thing I think is in no small part a symptom of the sequels feeling too small. The bones of the idea are fine, but it's jarring when as far as we were concerned last film, the Resistance is Leia, Poe and about a dozen nameless extras. So to suddenly have a B-plot about OPSEC and the importance of knowing when you're working with an incomplete picture feels out of place, and they didn't do enough to sell us on the larger scale of the faction to make it go over better.
I could go on but it gets a bit beyond the scope of this thread and into just geneal movie gripes.

>>64146012
The whole resistance thing was retarded and there is no way the Republic would have just ignored Imperial remnants and completely disarmed.

>>64134919

based Planck unit enjoyer

>>64146015
It wouldn't even be that hard to fix. Toss a line into TLJ about how the New Republic fleet is scattered and routing because of the surprise invasion and loss of command structure. Have them show up instead of the billion civilian ships at the end of RoS.
It's not perfect but you wouldn't have to do an in-depth rewrite to make that part jive better. Trying to entirely write out the New Republic reeks of that weird editorial mandate of the early Disney era of having nothing that has even the slightest scent of the prequels. They got over it, but too late for the ST.

>>64146015
>there is no way the Republic would have just ignored Imperial remnants and completely disarmed
*looks at current events* mate....
>The whole resistance thing was retarded
easily explained: Disneywars is a liberal-run mess. liberals can only think in terms of "oppressed = goodguys, period." that's why they think both Ukraine and Hamas are the "good guys". as such, even when the Rebels are objectively the ruling and dominant force in the galaxy, they had to sell the idea that they are somehow "le plucky outnumbered oppressed RESISTANCE"

captcha agrees

I only see "it's for psychological effect!" show up as almost an entirely fanon concept, maybe once or twice in an actual setting. It's something that only ever appears when someone is trying to justify something that they don't actually like and would like to remove it if they could. But the next best thing is to treat it like some ridiculous paper tiger that's the equivalent of putting on a scary mask and roaring at your enemies. And then getting shot.

>>64144753
>>64144780
>>64144868
>>64144981
Melee combat is easy to justify in Star wars because their weapons have the accuracy of muskets, on a good day.

>>64138333
>maximizing the forward-facing gun batteries makes sense
>in space, at war of 1812 range
Lol

>>64141303
the gold coins were so dumb
>assassinate someone, earn a coin
>need to get rid of some bodies? That’ll be one coin each.

>>64148938
melee weapons are justified in star wars because its a deeply romantic film about the good ol ways, and where old fashioned swords beat guns

"blasters are short ranged" is just cinema requiring all action to take place at ranges where people can see each other
thats like saying shotguns can only hit 5m away because thats how they work in COD

>>64135017
>>64134951
>>64134923
>>64134897 (OP)
almost never. I personally prefer Wh40k Titans. At their biggest estimates for the emperor class and equivalent, so approximately a kilometer tall.

Because making and deploying something that fucking big that can stomp around and not collapse in on itself is a display of material science and engineering might.

So If you CAN march around in something gargantuan and it doesn't collapse, you win.

>>64149161
>thats like saying shotguns can only hit 5m away because thats how they work in COD
Wrong, because and only because there is real data about shotguns that supercedes the fictional portrayal.
Blasters are piss and shit, and always piss and shit, and thus there's nothing incongruous about pointing out they're piss and shit.

>>64149401
>anon getting autistic about movies
Blasters literally work on the same logic that guns use in movies
Its no different from rifles only being able to hit 10m away in any WW2 movie, the blasters are literally based off of WW2 film reels showing tracers

>>64144745
The implication is that any given planet has enough defenses to stop an attack from some other planet, or maybe even go assist other nearby planets if needed, but nowhere near the simple logistics needed to conduct any kind of actual protracted war outside their own star system. The listed number of Clones has often been considered hilariously tiny for a war of this scale, but not if you consider that the vast majority of those clones are most likely the crew for the more important part of the clone army- the fact it comes with it's own brand new top of the line military fleet.

A million dudes with guns? Ok fine whatever, a million dudes with guns can't even take over Ukraine.
A million dudes but they also have half of them dedicated to being the trained from birth absolutely autistic about keeping ships running in perfect shape, years of (simulated) live fire training, ZERO femoids, and given something absurd like 20 brand new US Carrier Groups with full airwings? Now that's spicy.

>>64145992
This is a guard board green skin. keep walking.

>>64149350
Yeah but then you get some books which say the giga-huge Emperor class is only like 40 metres tall.

>>64144883
This makes sense, you see a similar divide in Outlaw Star. Personal energy shields are so expensive that only guys like Gene and MacDougal have them, and Gene at first didn't also have a starship that he had to worry about bringing in enough money to maintain, whereas as MacDougal is just that big a name in his profession that he can afford both, and his is advanced enough that you never see a visible emitter because it's presumably small enough that he can hide it under his clothing.

>>64134897 (OP)
>>64134923
AT-ATs are a little silly but they make sense in a way. Big troop transport that can blow shit up from far away and is impervious to all small arms fire. Even if it gets tied up the troops the carrier compartment are safe. Can walk through anything. But then they become dumb in retrospect because the turbo tank does the same thing but better, and then Disney made it so they can get blown up by X-Wing blasts in rogue one.

But anyway, they worked well enough on Hoth that they successfully destroyed the most fortified rebel base with thousands of rebels in an extremely lopsided manner, with like 12 or so AT-ATs against 7,500 rebel combat personnel. And they only carry like 40 men so that's an insane force multiplier if you think about it. Like ~120 imperial casualties to 4k rebel casualties.

>>64148962
You gotta kill at least 2 people to make a profit.

>>64148962
I got the impression that they tokens that represented favors that people can ask

>>64146012
I still don't understand why they didn't just have Holdo ram the cruiser physically, it still would have done much damage and diverted the attention of the worst imperial remnant since the Greater Maldrood enough for the rest to escape.

>>64149682
>blown up by X-Wing blasts
They get two outs on that one. One is that we never actually see how well aimed starfighter fire affects them in ESB. That's pretty weak though, since if it works you'd assume they'd just deploy X-Wings instead of messing around with snowspeeders and tow cables. Personally I'm okay with the idea that they're vulnerable, particularly if you go for the neck, but it should take at least a couple passes.

The better out is that in Rogue One what we see aren't actually AT-ATs. They're a utility variant, with longer legs and a big internal cavity. If they're for behind-the-line use it's totally reasonable that they wouldn't be as well protected as the frontline vehicle. Enough armor to withstand small arms fire in case of an ambush by irregular forces but not enough protection to withstand heavy contact is pretty consistent with real life utility vehicles.
We also see sustained fire from the door gun of a U-wing being enough to take out the knee joint on one, which I'd take as supporting the idea that they're just overall not as well protected as a conventional AT-AT, more than that they nerfed the original vehicle.

>>64134919
Based and Planck-pilled

>>64149827
>We also see sustained fire from the door gun of a U-wing being enough to take out the knee joint on one
they said its because the M45 heavy blaster is an ion-based weapon, hence the blue blaster bolts, which the AT-ACT is more vulnerable to because it uses repulsor lift tech to reduce strain on its legs
that was obviously just mean to placate the nerds, since the visual of concentrated fire on a knee joint should be enough for the average audience member, but it is not inconsistent with what we see
as for the x--wing, its guns really are just bigger than the snowspeeder guns but also, the AT-ACTs were actually hit on the neck and the exposed cargo bay, so it was still weakpoint hits
but also, while not explicitly stated, the AT-ACTs are hit on the neck and the exposed interior
as for why they use the AT-ACT is used, its probably because scarif is still the imperial archive and one of the biggest imperial garrisons
so they probably just assumed no amount of security was enough

>>64141588
Having a nearby sun for ''free'' energy makes a lot of sense, anon. And you can mine a planet for resources...

>>64134923
Yeah that's the point, the Emperor was obsessed with giant death machines not how effective his empire was.

>>64149438
'ello, Ima gardboy frum da terra waaah!. Don'tcha fink it betta krumpin' 'umies tho?

>>64149463
>>64149350
The giant titans were always completely retarded, and very few writers ever considered them. Titans the size of mountains being delivered by ships with hangars smaller than them, getting kneecapped by heavy laser baneblades, that's what that rabbit hole got us.

>>64149417
>Frightened and confused, he restates his argument without offering any defense
Nope, sorry. A gun incorrectly portrayed is objectively wrong because there's a real gun to compare it to. Blasters, being fictional, have only the portrayal, and thus the portrayal that shows them as dogshit is objectively correct.

Star wars circa the OT is WW2 level at absolute best, and clone wars weapons are more like civil war level. Filoni downgraded OT weapons even further, I'm not even sure there's a good comparison with firearms, maybe medieval handgonnes?

Melee combat from non magical warriors in setting exists in that context.

>>64152869
>Filoni downgraded OT weapons even further
oh no
what did the retard do?

>>64135969
THE FIRST TRANSPORT IS AWAY

>>64152878
I recall a scene from Rebels where an entire platoon of stormtroopers, half kneeling, form a firing line and unleash hell on C3P0 in an open field from twenty paces and after five full seconds of automatic fire haven't hit him.

There's at one point a near recreation of the "two guys shooting while hiding behind trash cans ten feet apart" skit from naked gun also.

>>64152935
>Rebels
I mean
it's Filoni's Eragon of Star Wars
>filoni
>paolini

>>64152869
>>64152935
>Filoni
Non-canon, only the old EU exists.

>>64146015
It's honestly the most realistic part.
>Mr. Politician, we have a major problem.
>Will it cost money to fix?
>Yes.
>Is causing immediate issues?
>No.
>Then we don't have a problem.

Also the NR didn't disarm, the entire point of Starkiller Base was the preemptive destruction of the NR fleet to facilitate their invasion.

>>64149704
>>64149802
The actual answer is that the Continental overcharges like a motherfucker.

>>64148962
>assassinate someone, earn a coin
someone wasn't paying attention, eh?
they get paid in US Dollars. the coin is just to identify themselves or purchase privileged services with

>>64152994
>the Continental overcharges like a motherfucker
as might be expected of a 5 star hotel
1 gold coin for a drink is a bit much though, I agree, given that its estimated value seems to be about $50-$100

>>64149438
Bugger I thought that this was a Dark Eldar board, guess I’ll have to rape elsewhere :(

>>64153297
This is an Ad Mech board, the murder cube and knife angel are avatars of the machine god.

You are now in command of your own At-At battalion. What do you call them?

>ARC fighter in Imperial markings
kino

>>64153473

>the precursor to the most iconic ship in star wars
>barely any screen time

Its criminal. Its such an insanely cool looking ship

>>64153519
Why didn't the Empire just continue using these? Are they retarded?

>>64153526

>we never got to see Imperial LAAT'S
>we barely got to see Imperial clone-era ships
>We could have gotten cool inter-war designs but instead it just jumps straight into OT designs

I'm still mad

>>64153580
Lorewise the imperials used them in outer rim territories because they were outdated for frontline units

>>64152869
Its almost like movies portray weapons based on cinematic need instead of realism
Blasters are used exactly the same way that guns are used in movies

>>64146012
>>64146015
>>64146076
The Republic not immediately rebuilding their armies to fight off what was left of the Empire is biggest problem in the Sequels. There's no reasoning or explanation in the movies why this happened. But apparently the Republic exists but just doesn't give a shit that the Empire is still out there and now the Empire is somehow stronger then they ever were before. It makes zero sense that the rebels wouldn't begin hammering what was left of the Empire the moment the Emperor died. The Empire is completely without leadership and are probably breaking off pieces of territory and becoming warlords in desperate bids to take control. All they had to do was just follow the Jedi Outcast storyline and it would have been perfect.

Abrams wanted to remake ANH because that's what he though Star Wars was so he created a big bad Empire but even STRONGER then the old one with a Death Star that's even BIGGER AND STRONGER then the others and added a Rebel All- I mean Resistance because that's what Star Wars is. It's just embarrassingly retarded.

>>64153526
Because keeping eras separated by designs creates unique visual identities for them
The only times it makes sense to have clone war tech in the OT is if you want to depict a transitionary phase, but otherwise you want to know you are in the PT or OT based only on an establishing shot

>>64135100
>even though george lucas said he patterned them after washingtons continental army and mostly envisioned a true civil war rather than an empire fighting an insurgency
That outlook is especially weird given the whole iconic medal ceremony in the first movie really emphasized the Rebel Alliance (or at least major parts of it) as a structured military organization with lots of implied martial traditions and honors. Most of the perception of the alliance as rag tag irregulars is almost entirely fanon that got taken as gospel once you get to latter media. Especially the Sequel Trilogy.

>>64153625
And because none of his ideas were original, Palpatine is somehow running the show for a third time

>>64153415
Regnawelrid Brigade

>>64146076
>It wouldn't even be that hard to fix
>>64153625
>It's just embarrassingly retarded
Yes, we know
people bitch and moan about fans giving the studio a hard time, but the Disneywars trilogy deserved it because it has very lazy Hallmark-movie-tier writing

the only reason this wasn't acknowledged earlier is that the studio put all their marketing powers into insisting that it wasn't so, including accusing all critics of being misogynist racist bigots because the lead Jedi was Rey and the Boyega guy whatever the fuck his name was

>>64153782
anon, the medal ceremony does make them look like a rag-tag army
and I'm not American, but I seem to recall Washington's army wasn't that shit hot either. didn't he cross the Delaware with 2,000 troops - what is that, 3 battalions? how small was America at the time? how many troops did the rebel scum - sorry, revolutionaries peak at? more than two of Napoleon's corps, I don't think

>>64153614
nope, irrelevant, Guns have an objective effect to compare to, blasters only have what's on film, thus they operate like they do on film.

>>64154850
the continental army was essentially a regular, conventional army
it was always smaller than the british army (same as the rebels and empire) and they often had to avoid large-scale battles and fight harassing actions and hit and run tactics (like the rebels)
but they were also totally capable of fighting large scale head to head battles using conventional napoleonic infantry tactics
almost all the decisive battles of the revolutionary war were fought in the conventional manner
they wore uniforms, they stood shoulder to shoulder, and they could and did fight the british in broad daylight trading blows

that is more or less what the rebels were at least intended to be
small, scrappy, underdogs for sure but still a real formal military
the rebel fleet is a wholefleet, after all, and at the end of ESB you do catch a glimpse of dozens of ships including several capital sized ones, they arent all just small snubfighters

the EU often exaggerated them so that they were literally taliban tier who had to hide in spider-holes and fight exclusively as terrorists

>>64155022
>it was always smaller than the british army
Didn't the Americans outnumber the brits in most engagements of the revolutionary war?

>>64155022
Adding in that the American forces engaged in guerilla tactics with ambushing and blasting commanders then retreating. Fuck yah America, but we won more because of deifying normal beliefs and being absolute bastards. We fucked up some german mercanaries on christmas just for the win

>>64155063
continental and british army were roughly equally sized
but the british had included a large number of loyalist americans and german mercenaries on their side, and had convinced some native american tribes to help them
so the british ended up nearly double the size of the continental army

>>64155022
you can have a small ragtag insurgency AND several capital-sized ships

going back to >>64135100
>george lucas said he patterned them after washingtons continental army and mostly envisioned a true civil war rather than an empire fighting an insurgency
I feel like Washington's Revolutionaries were lots more ragtag than, say, Lee's Army of Northern Virginia. for one, the latter were at least ten times the size of the former, yes?

so I don't have an issue with the EU portrayals, it feels like that's what the Rebels would really be doing most of the time. in fact I feel Rogue One captured the spirit of Lucas's intent most accurately. yeah, you have a fleet and a Council and a General and an Admiral, but they're tiny. your "fleet" can't fight off 1 space station and 2+1 Star Destroyers.
and your infantry force? you might have a small group of "regulars", they might even have a General, but also a lot of your infantry are terrorist groups scattered all over and doing their own thing most of the time. I'm not American, but IIRC when they first declared independence, the American forces were made up of a lot of ragtag militia, correct?

and even in the ACW, in addition to the main Confederate and Union forces, there were battalions armed with muskets, and battalions armed with repeating carbines, and every degree of equipment standard in between, right? and lots of bushwackers and jayhawkers and whatever going around, right?

in short I don't think the EU depiction clashes with the main movies

>>64155063
The British were fighting multiple battles across the globe at the time. Gotta look up out of the American-centric worldview for anything before 1940

>>64155073
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>64155022
>literally taliban tier who had to hide in spider-holes and fight exclusively as terrorists
The Taliban of which year are you talking about? The Afghan war lasted 20 years and the Taliban had different styles throughout the years.
The ones that finally conquered the country didn't fight as terrorists.

>>64153782
Less 'A' structured military organisation, more the combination of parts from several. It's an Alliance overgroup of coordinated planetary rebellion cells, dissenting political parties and rogue planetary governments that are pooling their resources for the overall aim to depose the Empire and restore the Galactic Republic. Alderanians, Chandrillans, Corellians and many others with their own military styles and traditions.

>>64155074
Didn't the Americans also have allies in the french and spanish, wo actively engaged te brits in the New World?
>>64155075
>The British were fighting multiple battles across the globe at the time.
I know. The brits were spread out over multiple theatres of war. That's why I'm asking about whether the americans didn't actually outnumber the brits during most engagements in north america

>>64149438
This is a burger board and burgers are known chaos worshippers

>>64157313
Is that a reference to the huge greentext about how Chaos is GW pissing and shitting about America

>>64153519
What is that clip from?

>>64153629
But like 90% or nu-canon is set between iii and iv

>>64155075
>>64155096
We have actual fucking numbers for the Revolutionary War. The answer is: depends on which battles and whether or not you include allies, mercenaries, and militia. The truth of the matter is that no one is going into a battle without something approaching parity unless forced because to do otherwise is retarded.

>>64160805
>no one is going into a battle without something approaching parity unless forced
I quite agree

what I meant, and I'm sure other anons also, is that the British could gin up a far bigger army than the Americans could, if they wished, especially in the earlier years. The Americans had to disperse their forces, pick and choose their battles, and slowly build up a force sufficient to defeat the British

and I'm contrasting this with what anon said about maybe Star Wars being more like a civil war, for example the ACW. the disparity of strength between the American Revolutionaries and the British is quite different from the disparity of strength between the Union and the Confederates.

>>64153625
Depends on how much emphasis you put on the side material and EU, which under Disney is all canon unless stated otherwise. Holistically, the answer is the FO are Imperial remnants who fucked off to the Outer Rim outside of traditional GR or Imperial territory and carved out their own sphere of influence while the NR spent years fighting bush wars with former Imperial warlords throughout their actual territory. And after the initial defeat of the Empire as an organized force, the issue of actually organizing and running the New Republic (which is really more of a confederation of independent systems than the actual CIS) becomes an issue because without the overarching threat of the Empire politics started happening. Because of that the NR had multiple power blocs that had their own goals and chasing a bunch of Imperials sitting outside NR territory that would require a massive military commitment and undertaking was at the bottom of an ever-growing list. The problem is that to know that you have to be aware of a couple of pre-ST novels and catch the subtext in Mandalorian when they're discussing the NR. Whereas the films are just "somehow the Empire returned," "somehow the Rebel Alliance returned," and "somehow Palpatine returned."

Star Wars EU has never been good and Disney EU is no exception, but the people writing Disney EU managed to have a perfectly reasonable explanation: short-sighted politics pushing the problem down the road.

>>64160935
>the people writing Disney EU managed to have a perfectly reasonable explanation: short-sighted politics pushing the problem down the road.
That's even more retarded and lazy than the original EU of needing to subjugate balkanised Imperial remnants

>>64159755
nta but you got that handy or know where to find it? I'd love to see how they came up with that thesis.

>>64157313
>cringeos

I don't how you were raised, but in this house we praise the machine God, the omnissiah, and the motive force.

>>64161010
Are SW fans ever happy? It's like a fandom built entirely out of obsessive, seething hatred for the property.

>>64161010
That's that's not a terrible motivation in a civil war. The Imperial government was effectively a brutal autocracy that circumvented and subjugated local governments for their own power. It makes perfect sense that the Moffs would carve out petty kingdoms (like the fall of the Roman Empire) and that the New Republic would want to eradicate the unlawful remnants holding their members down - the only planets that were on board with the Empire were all human bootlicker colonies.

>>64161020
nta but if I remember the gist of it was about Huron Blackheart not wanting to pay his taxes without representation leading to the Badab War which was started with good intentions but went to shit

>>64161253
Nobody's pulled a shotgun on Lucas for Jarjar or Filoni on general principle, or even slapped them around in public, so no it's not the worst fandom out there
And the early 00s were pretty sweet times with massive amounts of Clone Wars media flooding every market

>>64161298
Yep. Also a lot of lore had to be explained outside the movie. Call me traditional or something, but I feel the movie has failed in essence if it fails to tell a complete story without the viewer needing to refer to external material.
Disneywars is just plain beyond-the-pale lazy writing. I've read better fucking fanfiction for fuck's sake.

>>64142567
>the knee joints are acutated by cograils
>the cograils are driven by springs??
Huh?

>>64161502
its right there in the picture retard. pretty self explanatory

Just playing Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds.
The third republic mission has me raze a tusken raider settlement.
And I had to kill them all. All of them... if you catch my drift.

I am starting to think the Republic is not the good guys....

>>64143525
IIRC in universe even the OOM series battle droids were still relatively expensive. When you consider a conscript with a blaster is better than Nemoidian-dyanmics bot, you get a better picture as to why the CIS wasnt going to beat the Republic in the long run.

>>64135017
Did "Shock & Awe" do anything measurable? I think a lot of ordinance was wasted when fewer bombings on targets of value would have had the same psychological effect as airbursting over empty lots.

>>64149350
>Wh40k Titans.
Titans make sense if you need battleship level direct fire capability and it isn't feasible to hover a space battleship to do the same thing. In which case the walking is because treads would be inconvenient the same way a steamroller is inconvenient when you're merely trying to travel from A to B and not create a packed dirt road from A to B. That said the steamroller titan that creates 15 lane wide lines of communication across the battlefield does have an appeal.

>>64135100
>>64135792
>"i cant see a thing in this helmet", literally something mark hamill said when he thought the camera wasnt running, so Stormtroopers are all wearing lowest bidder gear
Honestly I feel like that and the other line from the same movie:
>"aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?"
Were adequately explained away by later lore regarding the Clone Wars. Battlefront 2 shows that the 501st Legion remained comprised of Jango Fett clones into the Galactic Civil War. I would assume then that Luke was merely not wearing well-fitting armor because he didn't have the same build as the clone he took it from.
There's also the line from the beginning of the movie:
>"and these blast points, too accurate for sand people. Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise"
Which fits with the opening scene where the Stormtroopers butcher the rebels while taking minimal casualties. The only time Stormtroopers are ever shown being inaccurate was on the Death Star, which is immediately explained afterward by Leia as them having planted a tracking beacon on their ship so they'd lead them directly to the rebel base, so they literally let them live.
>mostly envisioned a true civil war rather than an empire fighting an insurgency
Wasn't it originally intended that the Empire was a separate government from the Republic entirely, and the Rebellion was the last remnants of the Republic military and government? They threw that out after the prequels and handwaved any and all lines referring to it being rebellion against a conquering force by making it so that both had some manner of Republic ties ("he's been an Imperial admiral for 50 years" becomes "acktually that counts his time in the Clone Wars during the Republic era").
Also Palpatine was supposed to be based on Richard Nixon and wasn't originally a force user at all. Tarkin and the men on the Death Star (the MIC) were supposed to be the actual leaders of the Empire.

>>64144252
Back in the 70s-80s no one really cared about the realism of laser swords and laser guns. Later on, people did care and realized the mechanics made no sense, so they made it plasma, which is matter.

>>64141588
So, these are jokes too?

>>64161946
>Did "Shock & Awe" do anything measurable?
I remember watching that live on TV with my family while we sat in the living room eating dinner. I don't remember what we were eating, but it was a somber but triumphant feeling.

>>64161253
There are always going to be plot holes and other bits of shoddy writing and people are always going to complain about them; the issue is that Disney Wars was is even more stupid and shoddy while also being less enjoyable across the board.

Think of it this way. Lucas's Star Wars was like a family-owned restaurant where the food was hit-or-miss but the service was good, the menu was big, the owners were friendly and the place simply had SOVL. Nostalgia might have been the main reason you kept going but sometimes you just needed to get your grease on. Disney Wars is that same restaurant under new ownership - the menu has been whittled to a nub, what's left tastes worse and more expensive, you can't shake the suspicion that the servers are spitting in your food and the comfy leather booths have been ripped out and replaced with a concrete floor and open ceiling.

>>64161946
>I think a lot of ordinance was wasted when fewer bombings on targets of value would have had the same psychological effect as airbursting over empty lots.
despite the implication of calling it "shock and awe" to mean it was psychological, the air campaign and day 1 air strikes were purely against military targets and had little to no counter-value purpose
the widespread use of PGMs meant they didnt even need to carpet bomb areas in the first place

targets were overwhelmingly prioritized against enemy command and control nodes, AA sites, airfields, and ammo dumps
the idea being to cripple enemy decision making and neutralizing anything that could be used to counter-attack air targets

>>64134951
I really enjoyed his original trilogy.

>>64152842
>very few writers ever considered them
Very few warhammer writers are good, or want to have any fun with the setting beyond bland military pulp and basic interpersonal drama.

>>64153519
I remember when the Prequels came out I was really ticked off that the only true pitched fleet on fleet space battle was literally a few minutes in the third movie.

>>64161397
>And the early 00s were pretty sweet times with massive amounts of Clone Wars media flooding every market
Yeah but back then you still had people complaining that the PT Clone Wars were clearly different from what was vaguely in mind during the OT and that the EU ran with.
Then of course it's a pretty short distance from there to having two competing Clone Wars media projects and canons which both have their upsides and downsides and people treat like a fucking jihad.

>>64135017
Not mentioning reddit, since formatting has changed, but you type like a fucking faggot and your post has no message, a waste of a tiny bit of energy and memory in desperation that someone will reply so you feel that you exist.
You are pathetic.

>>64154850

>more than two of Napoleon's corps

>the troops that fought Napoleon are now part of a surprise invasion force that land near the capital
>set white house on fire capital
>a thunderstorm puts out the fire
>tornado lands in the capital and forces a retreat(wrath of god incurred)
>retreats back to ships and decides to invade New Orleans instead
>america has no navy, makeshift boats with canons unable to stop the ESL horde of orcs from landing in New Orleans
>loses to militias lead by Andrew Jackson in a conventional battle so one sided the British simply retreat back to England instead of regrouping
>the British never try invading America again and start invading places full of brown thirdies with no guns i.e. can't shoot back at you

napoleon was history's tutorial boss

>>64134897 (OP)
How did they even land the AT-ATs? Lambda shuttles are too small.

>>64149825
>I still don't understand why they didn't just have Holdo ram the cruiser physically,
What they should have done is Admiral Ackbar doing this kamikaze attack. And have him do it with a powerd-down ship that looks abandoned to the First Order so they let their guard down. Do NOT have a FO officer realize out loud that "it's a trap!" but leave this callback implied for the fans. I can guarantee you fans would have burst out in tears at the scene. Fuck disney.

>>64163667
>Lambda shuttles are too small.
probably with one of those kenner toys they used to make
george lucas approved of weird and wacky designs from the toy company because it saved him the trouble of explaining such an extraneous detail in the movie

>>64163667
Various other landing craft

>>64163672
>toy company
No
Just one uber nerd named David West Reynolds

>>64134951
>Timothy Zahn

I've recently read the first two books of the Thrawn Trilogy. I'm not super impressed by it, but there's a lot of stuff in there that could have been used for the sequel movies. Some of it would even make more sense with the new canon. The whole katana fleet thing would work great as a lost seperatist fleet of automated droid ships for example.

The basic premise of Thrawn's rise also makes sense militarilly and historically: After the Empire lost it's central leadership a succesful frontier commander takes control of the remnants and augments his force with native alien allies he's cultivated in the outer rim.

But maybe don't make our hero Han Solo a racist lol.

>>64163667
>land the AT-ATs? Lambda shuttles are too small.
There's cargo ships and other small or medium craft. Also I guess SD can hover down to planets or something. Worst case you OD battletech style.

>>64163759
>10,000 species in the republic, very few of them actually looking similar to the rest.
>best friend is a walking carpet.
>does business with the Hutt cartel.
oh gee, we're chasing a rare looking person with no major group affiliations or similarities to anyone else we know. let's NOT focus on those UNIQUE PROPERTIES while we try to find him or someone that looks like him.
is this a Gen Z thing? is your understanding of racism so poorly constructed that identifying a group by their unique features is something you believe to be wrong?

person 1) We're looking for a nigger. There aren't too many people who look like niggers around here.
person 2) we have a nigger in custody. at least he looks like a nigger.
person 1) lets go talk to that guy.

that's common police work. it's not racism.

>>64164745
>ungood wrongthink
Racism!
>plusgood rightthink
Profiling

>>64163759
how is this racist, he's literally friends with a black guy

>>64164954
Bold of you to assume Chewie's skin tone is black.

>>64163759
I liked the whole dynamic with the Noghri or whatever they're called, thr fact that their planet was rendered uninhabitable by something that the rebellion did, driving them aligning with the imperials

>>64163759
>maybe don't make our hero Han Solo a racist
Racism is pattern recognition

>>64166023
>when the delivery vehicle would be scarier than the weapon it delivers
Just up-armor this thing and float it towards the rebels, the fuck they gonna do?

>>64166102
>instantly disables it

>>64166106
If that's the case, how'd the AT-ATs get landed in the first place? And why wasn't the big fuck off ion cannon used on the AT-ATs?

>>64166116
It would probably be too imprecise to use against anything smaller than most star destroyers and once the walkers are on the ground it probably can't aim low enough. Don't forget it's basically built into a mountain

>>64166122
Exactly, so just roll a big armored hover craft to the rebel's front door and unload troops. The trade federation bugmen had this figured out 30 year prior.

>>64166116
>If that's the case, how'd the AT-ATs get landed in the first place?

Over the horizon, dumbass. The Ion Cannon only defended the airspace over the base, and it wasn't used on the AT/ATs because they were too numerous to be worth wasting shots on when it needed to focus on the blockading Star Destroyers to clear a path for the escaping ships to reach hyperspace. The delivery vehicle is big enough that they would be able to justify using the ion cannon on it because of the small number by virtue of how few could be fit into Vader's fleet vs the time it would buy them.

>>64166154
Wrong. Apparently, the ion cannon doesn't even have a line of sight on the Imperial element and it would have no effect on the battle at all. Too bad they don't have indirect fire in a galaxy far-far away.

>>64135470
And all that was announced in Fortnite.

>>64168218
Disney Wars is canon, since they are in charge of the series now and can dictate such things. Doesn't mean its good its just the facts of the matter.

>>64166023
This is a planetary transport I think, not a space-to-ground landing craft

>>64166102
>Just up-armor this thing
cube law; the bigger the vehicle, the exponentially greater the cost of armouring it against the same threat

>>64166116
>why wasn't the big fuck off ion cannon used on the AT-ATs?
It's a ground-to-air weapon and points up rather than down

>>64166219
>they don't have indirect fire
They might, but not for planetary defence cannon blaster bolts

>>64142654
>>explain why stormtroopers cant hit anything
This meme needs to die. Only time we see Stormtroopers being shit shots is in ANH on board the Deathstar. And that's because they weren't trying to kill them. They were trying to make their escape look convincing. They planted a tracker on the Falcon because they knew they were there to free Leia. And the first place they'd go is a Rebel base. Every other engagement we see with Stormtroopers they do pretty damn well. Even in the same movie, the opening scene. How many ST's died during the boarding of the Tantive IV? 3? Vs the Rebels? Damn near the entire security detail within the first minute of breaching. Battle of Hoth? Rebels got wrecked. Cloud City? All our main characters got captured and tortured and maimed. R2D2 was the only one to come through unscathed. RotJ? Only reason the Rebels won the ground battle was because Chewie hijacked an AT-ST. The Ewoks helped and made a good distraction but they quickly got routed once the Imps realized what was happening. Hell, Leia and R2 both got shot.

>>64135046
Have you seen ep5?

>>64144868
IIRC the in-universe reason personal shields are exceedingly rare is because it became semi-lost tech. Only 1 corp still knows how to make them and they're expensive. Too expensive to equip regular infantry with them. STAR WARS as a setting has been in a technological dark age, slowly sliding backward, for thousands of years. The near zenith of technology in SW was the Infinite Empire. Over 25k years before ANH. Tech potency has ebbed and flowed since then but it's had a general downward trend since KotOR.

>>64153415
The Stimpy Stomps

>>64168264
You make good points but stormtroopers still get the mook treatment and as all badies can only job against the MC

>>64153415
>You are now in command of your own At-At battalion. What do you call them?
Riverdance

AT-ATs are just APCs. It's even in their name.

>>64168264
>This meme needs to die
It's not a meme it's objective truth and you warsie fags have been trying to rewrite history for thirty fucking years.

>>64134897 (OP)
Intimidation should be used to demoralize the enemy. It should only be used at the beginning of a battle or war or at the end, if you used it when the enemy is already committed it will have the opposite effect of rallying them.

>>64153625
>The Republic not immediately rebuilding their armies to fight off what was left of the Empire is biggest problem in the Sequels. There's no reasoning or explanation in the movies why this happened. But apparently the Republic exists but just doesn't give a shit that the Empire is still out there and now the Empire is somehow stronger then they ever were before. It makes zero sense that the rebels wouldn't begin hammering what was left of the Empire the moment the Emperor died. The Empire is completely without leadership and are probably breaking off pieces of territory and becoming warlords in desperate bids to take control.

>>64168227
>cube law; the bigger the vehicle, the exponentially greater the cost of armouring it against the same threat
This might make sense if we weren't talking about the same people who built multiple moon-sized doomsday weapons and battleships 11 miles long.

>>64135792
>none of that has anything to do with lazy EU writers using an ad libbed line from the actor that wasnt even meant to be in the movie to explain why stormtroopers cant hit anything
You have super autism

>>64171554
Space doesn't have to adhere to those laws as strongly because no gravity.

>>64159755
>Chaos is GW pissing and shitting about America
We're the rape-elf pirate slavers, actually.

>>64143093
Or if he had issued "kill on sight" orders instead of "dramatically hold them at gunpoint but do it outside and don't ziptie their hands" orders.

>>64162025
>isn't it originally intended that the Empire was a separate government from the Republic entirely
Tarkin walks into the Death Star conference room and proudly announces that the Emperor's dissolved the senate and now "the last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away" (meaning there was continuity between the Republic senate and the Imperial senate). Tarkin says that in response to an admiral saying that the rebels continuing to gain support in the Imperial Senate is a problem (which implies senators have significant influence if perhaps not direct power) and the admiral expresses doubt that Emperor could "maintain control without the bureaucracy" now that the senate is gone (meaning the senate isn't vestigial and still has an administrative role at least). Tarkin's announcement is basically saying, it's taken twenty years, but the Old Republic has finally given way to the Emperor's New Order. If the Empire was a separate government it was a development that only happened earlier that day.

>>64166138
the CIS military command was also vastly more competent than the nepo baby empire. for as much as I love giant murder triangles, the CIS would've won the clone wars were it not for sheev pulling the strings and kneecapping them at every opportunity.

>>64171618
Almost as good as the "fire on my mark" order when you're actively trying to kill someone, or the "fire sequentially at this hard target with your weapons that together can destroy it immediately, but individually will only gradually weaken it" order.

>>64171687
Worth noting this is also fully consistent with the Death Star's 'weapon of fear' aspect. No more using the organs of the Republic as a means of control, now just going mask off and asking them what the fuck they think they're going to do about it.
Andor did a really good job of bridging that idea together with the way that the Prequels positioned the takeover as a slow motion coup. Once the only direct threat is out of the way you can take your time with the rest of the process. You even have Luthen consciously triggering a crackdown to make people feel a more sudden squeeze than gradual erosion.

>>64171589
No no I mean in 40k

How come a fucking Star Wars thread is currently the most civil and interesting thread on /k/?

>>64134897 (OP)
Not until our tanks are covered with vibrating neon dildos automatically thrusting in tune with kraftwerk and we crush dissenters with fire hoses of anal lube as they scurry in terror of our Liebemacht will the streets be safe for non binary genderqueer polysexual midget children to play at night.

>>64144252
>>64144389
As much as I hate the faggot dudsney flicks, having laser/plasma weapons fire on ballistic arcs is a thing that's been prevalent in SW media since all the way back before the prequels

>>64171554
That's where the steel for the giant sized AT-ATs went, dummy
In an alternate Imperial timeline they all drove around in nothing bigger than TIE Advanceds while General Veers romped around on land in mobile mountains

>>64171960
Fictional weapons aren't worth arguing about

>>64171960
Not surprising when you realise the community that's more interested about the actual lore and not just seething at the Disney movies (more often than not they don't even do it for the right reasons) is actually pretty chill.

>>64172048
Go back

>>64136180
Nyet.
>>64162095
In ways you can fathom.

>>64134897 (OP)
I always liked the idea that repuslor lift craft can't move through shields, so walkers like the AT-AT are used to assault heavily fortified (and thus shielded) positions.

>>64165041
>something that the rebellion did
whole point was that the Rebellion didn't do it, it happened in the Clone Wars(before anyone knew what the Clone Wars actually were outside the one offhand statement in A New Hope Obi Wan made and authors had to be incredibly vague about it) and the Empire just lied about it

>>64175788
Zahn was pretty clear about it being a Rebellion mistake

>>64176529
you're misremembering it pretty badly, Leia goes to the Noghri planet and hears about the ship that crashed into the planet and wrecked it, feels guilty for a while as the ship described that crashed is the kind of older ship the Rebellion has to use early on. Then the Noghri tell her how long ago it happened and she has a big eureka moment when she realizes that it was during the clone wars and wasn't the Rebellion, convincing them that the Imps were lying to them is literally what caused them to turn on the Imps

>>64149682
>and is impervious to all small arms fire.
It goes up to heavy weapons anon, we see emplaced gun just do nothing. They only get fucked because of some low-tech fly-close and tie them up shit too, and even then they're not destroyed until you get a confirmed hit to the neck area from above.

They're tall enough to avoid move pitfalls by simply walking over them like the trenches

>>64153415
Shit Kickers

>>64177390
Ok I guess i really am misremembering the second half. Forgive me its been like 12 years since I read them