Thread 82114217

My brain is broken from still being an incel at 25. I am mentally ill and have been born to a poor family with no generational wealth. I do receive NEETbux, but I seemingly have no hope at employment due to my insomnia caused by at least mostly OCD. I could see myself achieving 7 or 8/10 looks around the time I'm 26 after a bit more fat loss, as I've been lifting since 2013 and I've been on steroids for over 11 months. (I'm 5'11.) I also believe I have decent facial genetics. Suddenly becoming wealthy seems very untenable to me due to being mentally ill.

I DO NOT believe looks will be able to carry me over in a relationship as much as a lot of anons on here believe. Aside from my NEETbux, I'm pretty much broke. Being low income or broke is kryptonite for long term dating. I would necessarily need to date down one or two levels to have a girlfriend, and this would be as a 7 or 8/10 at 26. She would also have to put up with my mental illness bullshit. I know I sound a bit insufferable now, but this is just a temporary mood. I believe I could make some women happy. (I'm not a narcissist.)

I would have much better chances if I actually had some money. If someone deposited $3,000,000 into my bank account, I believe I would have a realistic chance with a stacy looksmatch.

If I actually do successfully manage to self improve to the point I'm making over $100,000 and have 7 or 8/10 looks, I would have a lot of resentment over the fact that I'm essentially a 30-year-old incel who is finally able to enter the dating market for used up roasties. Relationships with women themselves also seem super stressful, rather than something that would be fun. You constantly have to work on improving yourself and entertaining her, or she'll just leave you. It's hard for me to see a point in getting into a relationship with a woman unless it's to start a family, but this still seems fucked up in my head.

Looking back at my youth, never having had a girlfriend, makes me feel a lot of shame. I feel pretty strong shame when I see young attractive couples. Videos of young men having sex with attractive women are very painful. Yet, I still have this idea in my head that actually having a girlfriend would be super stressful and untenable due to lack of money. Can I be relatively broke on NEETbux and mentally ill and still find love? I could see myself achieving 7 or 8/10 looks physically. I don't even have a car, and my dad told me it would be a financially bad decision to get one.

No disrespect but if you've been lifting for so long, are 6 foot tall, and have good opportunities for being good looking then I don't think you were ever an incel. You really let your prime years slide like that?

I cope by knowing that as a 28yo incel that I never had a chance. That even if I lifted and improved my looks, I would still be a 4/10 manlet

>>82114542
Nta but above 6ft and exercize regularly.
Still too ugly for women though

>>82114542
>You really let your prime years slide like that?
I fucked myself over with obesity, but the reason I became obese is complicated. It's ultimately down the OCD, but my insomnia, which is at least mostly caused by OCD, is the biggest reason why. I was also afraid of ever feeling hungry, because I believed if I were hungry, that I was losing my gains. It's pretty nuts. I haven't been like this since I was 19, thankfully. I still have around 50 or 60 pounds of fat to lose before I'll be lean, and I'll have some gyno left over that I've had since before I became fat when I was 13.

>>82114558
Do you believe you have an ugly face, anon?

>>82114217 (OP)
>I DO NOT believe looks will be able to carry me over in a relationship as much as a lot of anons on here believe.

They would if you were sexually attractive but unfortunately you're probably too short for that. Sorry bro.

>Can I be relatively broke on NEETbux and mentally ill and still find love?

Absolutely. Chad doesn't have to pay for women. Women generally provide for Chad. But my guess is, assuming you're OP, you don't have the genetics to be Chad. You're too short, for one.

>>82115784
>but unfortunately you're probably too short for that.

I'm 5'11. I suspect that this is neutral, and apparently, there was a study done where they did confirm this suspicion of mine. Peak male attractiveness in height is achieved somewhere between 6'2 and 6'3, which is pretty damn tall, but you're pretty much in a neutral zone between 5'10 and 6'1. I am likely around a year away from a chad-tier body, but I will have a bit of gyno, not that most women would notice a bit of gyno and be turned off by it. My pecs are pretty large. I can bench 315 for 7.

>Absolutely. Chad doesn't have to pay for women. Women generally provide for Chad.

Women generally have less money than men. Even if I were a 7 to 8/10 chad, I doubt a 7 to 8/10 stacy would want to provide for me. She would be expecting a bit more out of the relationship. I'm pretty certain, unless I got super lucky, that I would need to date down, but hopefully not something like two or three levels down.

Dating a 3/10 in her 40s would be doable, but I don't think I'd feel too good about myself. I am mentally ill, and although I receive NEETbux, I'm still dependent on my boomer dad, and if anything happens to him, I'm pretty fucked, so I feel like I actually need to find a provider girlfriend. People are much poorer than they used to be due to things like rising housing prices. What I would need is a woman who could provide housing for me, and the NEETbux I receive isn't even enough to take care of myself, so I would effectively be asking for a lot. I started this thread earlier. >>82104392

>>82115864
If we take what you say as true, why would any woman choose someone with a neutral trait when she has access to men with good traits that you don't have? And make no mistake, all women have access to these men.

>Women generally have less money than men. Even if I were a 7 to 8/10 chad, I doubt a 7 to 8/10 stacy would want to provide for me. She would be expecting a bit more out of the relationship. I'm pretty certain, unless I got super lucky, that I would need to date down, but hopefully not something like two or three levels down.

Of course she wouldn't be, but that is because you're not sexually attractive. Once you reach Chad-level, generally speaking, most women will be happy to finance your life.

>I'm pretty fucked, so I feel like I actually need to find a provider girlfriend.

You'll need to be much hotter than I imagine you are. Don't forget that much of what makes a man sexually attractive is genetic, too, so it isn't something you can change.

>>82115892
>If we take what you say as true, why would any woman choose someone with a neutral trait when she has access to men with good traits that you don't have?

Because you would be the one giving her affection. You would be the one giving her emotional closeness. I watched a video of a sugar momma in her 40s who essentially said that she could pick up a random young stud off the corner of the road to bang her. These women want companionship with an attractive man.

Personally, I'm not looking to be spoiled by some old, rich woman. I just want a woman who would give me a place to stay and function as a provider, but I feel that I would necessarily need to date down for this to happen. As a 7 to 8/10 26-year-old man, I would be lucky to get a 5/10 36-year-old woman to be a provider. In reality, she would likely be a 3/10 41-year-old woman. I'm also mentally ill with at least OCD, so she would have to put up with that, even if I were very sweet to her and did a good job in bed, along with all the housework and some cooking.

>Once you reach Chad-level, generally speaking, most women will be happy to finance your life.

So most women would want to be sugar mommas for me? I believe this happens with attractive women, not attractive men. Women don't have as much money as men, and once again, people are pretty damn poor in the 2020s. Wealth inequality is at ludicrous levels now.

I want an older provider girlfriend. Is anybody redpilled on this topic?

Alright. I've taken too much ambien. Hopefully, some of you other anons will take over and dump some redpills on here about finding sugar mommas and provider women.