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7/12/2025, 2:53:50 AM
>>17832257
>Why did Job continue to love God even when he made his life terrible?
Inasmuch as he did so, he was right because our true loyalty should be to our actual Creator.
>Job, the righteous man, who 100% did not deserve it.
According to the Bible, all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. And it says that death came into the world because of sin. Every death is tragic, not just those of Job's children. What you bring up here really just folds back into the general problem of evil.
>Doesn't this story just prove that God is an egotistical scumbag, who ruined Job's life over a bet?
What your statement shows is how you don't view God with any respect, in order to believe that there is a greater purpose in the events of this book -- or in the world at large. But your view truly doesn't make sense: because as the Creator, God created everything, including all of us. If God is literally capable of creating everything from nothing, then God is also capable of being just. The God who created all things is clearly able to understand truths and realities that are beyond our capacity to understand. In other words, just because you're too dumb to see it, anon -- doesn't mean it's not real. As it says in Proverbs, "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." (Proverbs 3:5-6).
>Why did Job continue to love God even when he made his life terrible?
Inasmuch as he did so, he was right because our true loyalty should be to our actual Creator.
>Job, the righteous man, who 100% did not deserve it.
According to the Bible, all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. And it says that death came into the world because of sin. Every death is tragic, not just those of Job's children. What you bring up here really just folds back into the general problem of evil.
>Doesn't this story just prove that God is an egotistical scumbag, who ruined Job's life over a bet?
What your statement shows is how you don't view God with any respect, in order to believe that there is a greater purpose in the events of this book -- or in the world at large. But your view truly doesn't make sense: because as the Creator, God created everything, including all of us. If God is literally capable of creating everything from nothing, then God is also capable of being just. The God who created all things is clearly able to understand truths and realities that are beyond our capacity to understand. In other words, just because you're too dumb to see it, anon -- doesn't mean it's not real. As it says in Proverbs, "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." (Proverbs 3:5-6).
7/7/2025, 11:14:55 PM
>>17823226
>The bible uses a different calendar
Do you really think I should trust you on this, anon? Honest question.
>It is, but the church is a separate entity co-existing with Israel.
See Galatians 6:16.
"And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God."
(Galatians 6:16)
>Romans 11 lays it out in full detail.
Yes, where the Bible says in verse 26 the following:
"And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:"
(Romans 11:26)
"Turning away ungodliness" is a reference to what I already quoted in Acts 3:22-23, and is a reference to what Paul says is branches that were cut off from the tree in Romans 11. Whoever is an unbeliever is not part of Israel, and those who rejected the Lord in the 1st century AD were cut off from that people group. Because of unbelief, the identity of being God's people – the people of God – was taken away from them. With that goes any pretension of being part of Israel, other than by accepting Christ.
The Talmud was written centuries later and is a separate historical phenomenon. Modern Judaism is really a spinoff of heretical gnosticism from the 2nd and 3rd centuries AD. Those who claim to be Jews today are unrelated to the ancient or Biblical Jews. Historically, these people were pagans in Lithuania and Poland who converted to a gnostic cult that follows the Talmud in the middle ages. This has nothing to do with the Biblical Jews or Christ. Open your eyes, anon. Dispensationalism was funded by these groups.
>The bible uses a different calendar
Do you really think I should trust you on this, anon? Honest question.
>It is, but the church is a separate entity co-existing with Israel.
See Galatians 6:16.
"And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God."
(Galatians 6:16)
>Romans 11 lays it out in full detail.
Yes, where the Bible says in verse 26 the following:
"And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:"
(Romans 11:26)
"Turning away ungodliness" is a reference to what I already quoted in Acts 3:22-23, and is a reference to what Paul says is branches that were cut off from the tree in Romans 11. Whoever is an unbeliever is not part of Israel, and those who rejected the Lord in the 1st century AD were cut off from that people group. Because of unbelief, the identity of being God's people – the people of God – was taken away from them. With that goes any pretension of being part of Israel, other than by accepting Christ.
The Talmud was written centuries later and is a separate historical phenomenon. Modern Judaism is really a spinoff of heretical gnosticism from the 2nd and 3rd centuries AD. Those who claim to be Jews today are unrelated to the ancient or Biblical Jews. Historically, these people were pagans in Lithuania and Poland who converted to a gnostic cult that follows the Talmud in the middle ages. This has nothing to do with the Biblical Jews or Christ. Open your eyes, anon. Dispensationalism was funded by these groups.
7/1/2025, 8:16:03 AM
>>17805526
See Galatians 3:16 through verse 29 in the KJV. The promises are to Christ, and through Him to his church only.
See Galatians 3:16 through verse 29 in the KJV. The promises are to Christ, and through Him to his church only.
7/1/2025, 2:50:18 AM
>>17804987
>The concept of the Messiah is not nearly as central in Judaism as it is in Christianity.
In Genesis 3:15, we see the first mention of the coming Savior.
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
- (Genesis 3:15)
Below are a few more examples:
"That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;"
- (Genesis 22:17)
"The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be."
- (Genesis 49:10)
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."
- (Deuteronomy 18:18-19)
"And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever."
- (2 Samuel 7:12-13)
"For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:"
- (Job 19:25-26)
"Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."
- (Psalm 2:12)
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
- (Isaiah 9:6)
>The concept of the Messiah is not nearly as central in Judaism as it is in Christianity.
In Genesis 3:15, we see the first mention of the coming Savior.
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
- (Genesis 3:15)
Below are a few more examples:
"That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;"
- (Genesis 22:17)
"The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be."
- (Genesis 49:10)
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."
- (Deuteronomy 18:18-19)
"And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever."
- (2 Samuel 7:12-13)
"For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:"
- (Job 19:25-26)
"Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."
- (Psalm 2:12)
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
- (Isaiah 9:6)
6/24/2025, 10:15:47 AM
>>17787344
>he has saved us - despite the fact that we don't deserve it, like judas - by giving us this opportunity. but he didn't take it.
It's true that Judas Iscariot had the opportunity to be saved, but did not accept it. Jesus already knew what was going to happen, just as He fully knows every single person who has ever walked the earth.
"While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."
- John 17:12
The "son of perdition" here refers to Judas Iscariot. See also John 6:71, John 13:21-27.
The long and short of it is that God doesn't give salvation to people by accident.
>he has saved us - despite the fact that we don't deserve it, like judas - by giving us this opportunity. but he didn't take it.
It's true that Judas Iscariot had the opportunity to be saved, but did not accept it. Jesus already knew what was going to happen, just as He fully knows every single person who has ever walked the earth.
"While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."
- John 17:12
The "son of perdition" here refers to Judas Iscariot. See also John 6:71, John 13:21-27.
The long and short of it is that God doesn't give salvation to people by accident.
6/18/2025, 7:01:34 AM
>>17772957
>Who are your sources to say "This is referring to people who do you personally wrong in some specific way"?
You can read every single passage that deals with the doctrine of forgiveness and it's always the same thing. Just because you forgive people who cause you personal setbacks doesn't mean you are told to become tolerant or accepting of all sin. That isn't the biblical perspective. This is obvious to all but the most willfully ignorant people.
As just one example out of any you could go to, see what it says in Matthew 18.
"Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven."
(Matthew 18:21-22)
As usual, this passage is talking about someone who sins against you. You can see it in the way that Peter phrases the question. He is referring to someone who causes him some kind of offense, setback or personal harm. That's totally different from saying you should tolerate wickedness. See the following:
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."
- Ephesians 5:11
>Who are your sources to say "This is referring to people who do you personally wrong in some specific way"?
You can read every single passage that deals with the doctrine of forgiveness and it's always the same thing. Just because you forgive people who cause you personal setbacks doesn't mean you are told to become tolerant or accepting of all sin. That isn't the biblical perspective. This is obvious to all but the most willfully ignorant people.
As just one example out of any you could go to, see what it says in Matthew 18.
"Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven."
(Matthew 18:21-22)
As usual, this passage is talking about someone who sins against you. You can see it in the way that Peter phrases the question. He is referring to someone who causes him some kind of offense, setback or personal harm. That's totally different from saying you should tolerate wickedness. See the following:
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."
- Ephesians 5:11
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