Thread 96192865

As cringe and godawful as this show was, I miss the threads we used to have for it, especially back in C2.
I miss the Caleb memes. I miss the Jester fanfictions. I miss the drinking games.
Now that there's a teaser out for the Mighty Nein show I have an excuse to post a thread, I guess.

>>96192865 (OP)
Sauce?

>oh my god I'M GOING NEGA MOOOOOOOODE
The memes were great. Pic related made the rounds for a bit.

reddit's two blocks down

>>96192865 (OP)
Sounds fucking glorious. I'm sad I wasn't here during it's hayday.

>>96192865 (OP)
how did they make Nott sound even worse?

I watched Stranger Things recently (awful show) and it made me retroactively cringe at a lot of CR because it became obvious how often the cast was aping (stupid) stuff from ST

The most nauseating was seeing the link between Marisha's table pantomining for spells and the way Eleven "users her powers" in the show. Like an impotent trembling of a pointed hand, and a scrunched up serious face.

I have no idea what this is, but I saw the trailer on YouTube, and the goblin is very cute. I want to cum all over her face

>>96195568
fuck you

>>96195568
This.

>>96196616
Sam got throat cancer.

>>96192865 (OP)
>i miss being a massive nogames faggot
What, is the local gloryhole abandoned or something?

>>96196745
>her
Lol

>>96196630
>vgh....i hate that this dnd group was influenced by contemporary media
>by the way heres my aasimar fighter Pante, he fights with guns and eats pizza

>>96192865 (OP)
>performative hate of a popular thing
>all as an excuse to talk about it
>everyone calling it cringe is secretly obsessed and ashamed because the group think says they can't like it
>the group think likely made of other fans who are embarrassed that they like it
Sometimes this site is the stupidest place. Dumb kids too embarrassed to like 'popular things' insisting they only enjoy them ironically.

You like the show, if not directly, you like some aspects of it. Stop being fake. You're bad at being fake.

>>96192865 (OP)
You don’t miss Critical Role, you miss sharing something with friends under the auspice of it being a “tentpole” event. The same feelings you have for Mighty Nein could be replicated by going on a vacation with seven friends, or watching a concert, or spending a Saturday night in a lazy orgy watching the seasonal anime.

>>96197372
I know the fans are cringe cause they make threads like this, but I remain blissfully unaware of what the fuck Critical Role is even about

I don't enjoy the style of play that Critical Role popularized, especially since it infected my group
>DM goes on and on about the fictional lore of his world, sometimes for nearly an hour at a time ingame
>Many players are super flighty, wanting to run away the moment we encounter anything that may be slightly difficult
>Obsession with wanting to "chill" in sessions all the time, going to taverns and inns and stuff. We could just do that in real life!
It leads to a bit of a game cycle
>Arrive in new place
>Bit of mystery, it's cool
>Meet for NPC
>Monologuing
>Players want to know everything
>More talking
>Finally move on
>Arrive at place
>Empty, lots of books and statues and shit
>Say "I read them"
>More monologuing
>Finally move on again
>Reach evil bad guys
>Kill one or two of the initial guys
>Learn the true extent of what is going on, the stakes are high!
>Everyone bitches out and wants to leave
>Repeat

>>96192865 (OP)
>goth jester
Visually, what is the difference between a goth clown and a mime?

>>96197463
Mimes are fairly minimalist in design, I think

>>96197397
I like the anime unironically. It's my favorite thing to binge while stoned. The podcast games themselves though were never entertaining to me. I've seen some streamed tabletop that I do like.

I always point out on this goddamn board that normal tabletop isn't meant to be entertaining to an audience. Which is why idiots wanting to stream or record their games will fail, and why every show and podcast like this plays so differently. It's on purpose. They have to play differently. They are intending to be entertaining to an audience not just each other. So the pissants who wine that the latest popular DnD podcast don't play correctly are retarded. It's to your taste or it's not.

>>96196745
based

>>96197500
I admittedly refuse to watch the animation because the campaigns themselves disinterest me, but I can very much agree that the transition from a reenactment/re-reading of the tabletop events to an entire animated story can be pretty different. The transition of Record of Lodoss War and Chaos Dragon to their anime depictions was pretty big when you consider how much cutting out the out-of-character dialogue and sewing events together in a linear sequence unbroken by rolls or player chatter does change things up a lot in making it look more like an actual planned story instead of the random whims of actual humans playing a board game.

And I don't think I'd have the stones to stream any of my tabletop games. My party's shameless about what their "interests" are, and I don't think the world needs to see that.

>>96196745
Should we tell anon the truth?

>>96197500
>the anime
The cartoon*

>>96197559
I just read about this in the wiki and I'm disappointed, personally I think having her accept her goblin form and moving on instead of going back would have made for a better story but I haven't actually watched critical role so I might be talking out of my ass also I'm biased towards goblins

>>96197584
>I'm biased towards goblins
We know. Most pedophiles are

>>96197584
I find it interesting that becoming a goblin also made her behave like one. But I'm sure the creators wouldn't want to imply genetic determinism or anything.
>I haven't actually watched critical role
Neither have I, beyond a few animated clips online.
And fapping to some Nott porn.

>>96197463
mime cant talk

>>96197623
>visually

>>96197584
I'm pretty sure the majority of the /crg/ threads' denizens would've agreed. It's more interesting for character development to have a The Thing-like curse where you're put in a shit situation and have to come to terms with reality. But it's D&D, magic causes problems and so magic can un-cause problems, like race-swapping a cursed person back to their original race. So the lowest-common-denominator that wants or even requires a tangible change to show conflict resolution sees Nott turn back into Veth and is tricked into thinking a return to the status quo is progression. It's such a backslide on interesting character flaws that she basically had to be fiat'd into staying with the party instead of returning to her loving husband and child, going so far as to get them caught in the crossfire of fleeing angry wizards, dragged to the Fire Plane, and their child getting murdered by elementals, which led to maaaaany nicknames for Matt.

>>96197573
If you don't call it anime to trigger the weebs then you're not a real fan of the genre.

>>96197535
That's the thing. When you look at the people who do stream and their background they're mostly improv and comedy actors and radio hosts, people who can be entertaining without a tabletop game, who then make a TTRPG entertaining for others (with mixed success). The trick being that the games aren't actually entertaining when you're not part of playing them, and take effort to make so. So even if your group cleaned up their act to stream your games, it wouldn't be funny or fun to people watching.

Like if people here want to talk about cringe, CR is old news, it's legends of avantris that people are into lately. And while they're more popular for the little animated youtube shorts that go viral, I was surprised catching one of their streams and they were actually just generally funny and entertaining to watch. Cringe as fuck, but what comedy isn't. Like every TTRPG streamer they are not playing the way anyone else plays, but they're specifically playing to entertain, and they are entertaining. The game is just an excuse to roleplay dumb funny shit.

>>96197372
i liked campaign 1 cause it was fun.
campaign 2 became a parody of itself.
i think the technical term is "flanderized".

>>96197767
Sounds like you're getting triggered over it being referred to as a cartoon, chuddie

>>96197968
You clearly aren't a real fan then.

>>96197808
>it's legends of avantris that people are into lately
Tell me more. I don't usually pursue most tg streamed games out of apathy, so I'm curious what's the big deal with this one

>>96198073
They stream on youtube I think, I only caught one stream so I'm no expert on their overall quality, they don't seem to do DnD, and at first you think "oh it was just this one guy who was funny doing this one bit" then you realize they're all funny, they all can DM, and they're always doing a bit. Half of it's cringe, half of it's funny.

But the thing they went viral over were short clips from some of their games, usually roughly animated by someone. You can find compilations of those clips and see if you think they're funny, then check their streams if you're interested. If not, eh.

>>96198101
Sounds neat, I might check that out then, thank you. I do agree that most of these games are one of those "You had to be there" experiences, so I'd like to see how these clipshows hold up

>>96198067
I accept your concession

>>96196745
I know this is bait but who in the goddam thought it was a good idea to give her that faggoty voice, is not even funny?

>>96198175
Real recognizes fake.

>>96198216
Yeah, that killed my interest. I hope it's just because they're supposed to be drunk in that scene, but the comments were saying that it was the original player of the character doing the same voice he did in the game, and that's an awful idea for a show like that.

>>96195568
Reddit has moved here, evident by redditors like puckee

>>96198216
>>96198525
>goblin has a faggoty voice
I fail to see the issue.

>>96198525
The character is actually meant to have a grating voice.

>>96196630
Ugh, yeah that was painful to watch. And I say this as somebody who found the first season of Stranger Things fairly enjoyable.

>>96199399
>we made them annoying on purpose
not sure I like that

>>96199934
The entire point of Nott was that Sam, a dude, was playing a chick since everyone was otherwise always playing their own gender all the time. So you're getting Sam Riegel trying to voice a Goblin/Halfling chick.

>>96192865 (OP)
>>96193439
I'll try my luck by asking one last time if you have the sauce for the artist of that drawing that OP used.

>>96192865 (OP)
Say, does anyone happen to know if slavery exists in Exandria? Asking for a friend

>>96197631
You can see their lips move

>>96210089
It absolutely existed in early campaign 2, but mercer has probably removed it from the setting by now because zoomers freak out if the concept even exists in a fantasy world now. I can't recall if it's ever mentioned in the daggerheart book

>>96192865 (OP)
I just don't want to sit down and watch 100 episodes of 4 hour long DnD sessions. A significant chuck of Critical Role is just them shopping, double checking wording for spells, and trying to figure out what they want to do in combat.

>>96197463
Their performance

>>96198216
>>96198525
Being mad that a goblin has an ugly voice is like being mad that an orc is green. Sam Riegel plays a great drunk retarded goblin and I will not stand for this slander.

>>96207197
Why, are you horny?

lol

>>96210537
The problem is for nearly half the campaign that voice is also supposed to be a fat middle aged spic haftling and so it seems out of place then.

>>96210960
I liked the style.

>>96192865 (OP)
I miss the Fearne Porn

>>96196745
You and me both brother.

>>96197622
>But I'm sure the creators wouldn't want to imply genetic determinism or anything.
I likewise haven't actually watched it, but it's not like it'd be hard for them to square that circle by going into the idea that it was BEING TREATED LIKE a goblin that made her act like one.

>>96197315
Who are you quoting
No, seriously, who said this?

>>96211526
Pedocoded

>>96196616
Right? I'd hate to have to listen to that for any length of time.

I see for the Umbra series Liam yet again scripted his PC to another to get advantage, and to little surprise it was Laura again. I also saw that he still can't handle an honest character death, and Matt let him vanish instead. I bet he cheated every episode just as he did the 3 main campaigns. The guy is the worst.

>>96197722
>child getting murdered by elementals
He was brought back right away though without a single scar, or even being upset.
zero consequences Mercer strikes again.

>>96192865 (OP)
>Mighty Nein show
It just shows Critical Role has never been role-play, it's role writing. Liam's bloated backstory and goal requiring him to get to a high level made it clear the campaigns have scripted outcomes. They've always had consensual death. The whole cast is still terrible at encounters for a reason.
People early in C1 knew it was a fake game.

>>96214978
>Pedo
Jesus would you fucking freak retards go look at a kid? Shortstacks are not pedocoded you fucking retard. Notice the large breasts and well developed hips.

>>96224881
>>96225111
Here's your (you) samefag. I hope your wrangler comes back from vacation soon.

Shill me the critical role show, why is it good?

>>96211496
If only the artists name was in the picture or something
https://komunhorangi.carbonmade.com/

>>96225119
>Jesus would you fucking freak retards go look at a kid?
You'd like that, wouldn't you?
>Shortstacks are not pedocoded you fucking retard
Funny how everyone who says that ends up having a folder full of loli or CP on their hard drive

>>96224881
>Umbra series
that shit was so boring
>oh, DM is taking control for the 10th time during a fight

>>96210089
Bane is supposed to be the literal god of slavery in Exandria and is worshipped by the slaver Hobgoblin empire

>>96196630
Critical Role Campaign 1 started before Stranger Things existed, for almost a full year.

Critical Role stopped being fun when they finally ground out all of the SOVL from Travis. He went from heartily enjoying adventure and pushing for exploration/combat to doing backstory roleplay slop like the rest of them. He was the load-bearing player, most games have one.

I fell off campaign 3 when they were getting ready to rob a mansion or something. Baileys character being full on protagonist syndrome was insufferable.

Did they ever do anything interesting? it seemed like they wanted to cut ties with wotc to shill their own upcoming systems so did they ever swap over or something?

>>96225179
Hi Liam. I see you weaseled sitting next to Laura again for the live show.
Even hardcore fans on reddit are now pointing out you've done some creepy shit toward Travis' wife both in and out of character.
C1
>scripts that PCs are twins
>let's pretend we're married
>remember when we took baths together?
C2
>tries so hard to romance her character, her husband has to bend the knee to romance he was determined never to do, just to cock-block the creep at the table.
C3
>immediately hovering around her character like stink on shit

>>96197584
>Sam has backstory where goblins are rightfully, all evil
>puts mask on PC, but exposing huge yellow eyes. Wanting consequences
>Matt puts so many good goblins in his world, no one even bats an eye
How the fuck was Mercer ever considered a good DM?

>>96197397
it's performative dnd and a lot worse than that sounds

>>96211320
Could have sworn he softened the voice up a lot once Nott was Veth again.

>>96231344
Was the tribe that cursed her to be a goblin played as "good"? Can't remember. I know stuff in the eastern lands closer to the drow could have been rougher, though the armless goblin selling mounts at least came off a bit skeevy.

It's a common thing though, scrubbing gobs of anything rough. Even Warcraft has done it now, they have a "council" and the Steamwheedle which were kill-on-sight targets for 20 years are now led by a reformist. Boring shit.

>>96231574
>Goblins are good now
>Orcs are good now
>Minotaurs are good now
What's even available for minor-mid combat, anymore? Racists?

>>96231608
Just run it how you want. For me, orcs will always at the minimum be as violent as viking-age humans. As in... extremely violent and eagerly taking trophies off of enemies. But they'll also trade or farm, when it suits them.

But people forget orcs were Lawful Evil originally anyway, not sure how they devolved into drooling retards.

>>96231608
undead?

>>96231632
>not sure how they devolved into drooling retards.
Combination Chinese Telephone and Warhammer Fantasy. Introduction of Hobgoblins sealed Orcs into being the drooling retards.
>>96231636
I want something that bleeds when I stab it. Undead are fine but they lack the visceral thrill to fight.

Wait, don't you'all just decide what you want to use on your table?

>>96231679
Of course, but it's still pretty faggy of them to do what they did. I'm only griping because I'm on a site which encourages me to gripe, otherwise I'd never be touched by this because all my games are in other system.

>>96225616
something you wanna share with the rest of the class, anon?

>>96235274
Yeah
Your hard drive

Started listening to vox machina while I work. I enjoy it and know enjoying it makes me a faggot but I don't care.

Campaign 4 just got announced, what do we think?

>>96237453
Honestly I think Mercer stepping back from DMing and playing instead is a great step. I think he was burnt out and I think he'll wake the group more serious and less focused on stupid edgy tropes as a player.

MR. PRESIDENT A SECOND GOAT HAS HIT THE LIVESHOW

>>96236706
Shhh don't let the miserable old cunts hear you

>>96237453
Hyyyped af

>>96237453

I think this will be the beginning of the decline into one of those youtube backroom channels. One of those channels that has a long standing consistent enough audience to provide the company with revenue to run indefinitely and in obscurity as it's newness and relevance steadily fades, and the people who started it get replaced with people no one even knows. Like Rooster Teeth or Game Theory.

And that's fine. Entertainment is always changing and nothing lasts forever.

Let's plays need to move on from the Critical Role monopoly.

>>96237453
I’ll give it a go, but I doubt anything will revive the campaign 1 magic for me.

>>96237453
So they're going to have at least 7 players at the table, or is someone dropping out? They never did grasp DnD, and have been struggling to learn their own creation that is specifically geared toward theater kid/playwright wannabes. I doubt Mulligan will call them out on cheating. Liam would go apeshit. In 10 years, Ashley and Taliesin will still be acting like a deer in headlights when it's their turn. This isn't going to go well.

You people are everything wrong with the hobby. At least with their shitty rpg the rest of the theater kids plaguing this hobby will leave and D&D can finally recover.

>>96238215
D&D can't recover under WotC. They are clueless. see >>96225111 picrel

>>96238215
Anon what are you on about you don't even play games

>>96238276
I play D&D 2e like god intended.
With none of the woke garbage cluttering up the game.

>>96238301
Dude your retirement home sounds cool af

>>96237453
Matt stepping down as GM and presumably a soft reboot of a setting means the show is dead to me

>>96237453
>New setting
Ew, probably Daggerheart of some of the shit they need to promote
>New DM
We'll see
>Player Matt
Alright
>"lovely familiar faces and some new ones"
urgh, the worst part of C3 for me are those first episodes with Robbie Daymond. This is what happens when transforms from a group of friends playing and into a business. I'm expecting C4 to be the shortest campaign. More like a 1-1.5 year one instead of a 3+ one.

>>96238215
>At least with their shitty rpg the rest of the theater kids plaguing this hobby will leave and D&D can finally die again
fixed that for you

>>96238773
not only is Daggerheart generating 0 interest from me but if one of the core group drops then I'm not watching a minute of it

So what kind of pc do we expect Matt to create? They say DMs make good players, and he is one of the goats. I'm genuinely interested to see what he cooks up.

>>96238204
If Sam or Travis drops out, then I'm not even gonna bother with C4.

>>96192865 (OP)
I just read that campaign 4 will have Brennan lee mulligan as the DM. Wild. Can't believe that it will be three years long. Then again, they record the episodes in batches now, not weekly. Curious.

I hope the players do a better job than in downfall and Divergence

>wowowoWOAHHH QUIRKCHUNGUS IN THE HOUSE!!!
done irreparable damage to d&d's playerbase

>>96237453
>what do we think?
>we
You clearly don't

No idea who this new DM is, I don’t watch any D&D content anymore. What should I expect, is it worth giving it a try at least?

>>96238884
he seems to love dwarves and has played a dwarf two times now. The first one was a dumb, good hearted himbo divine blood sorcerer, the second one a down to earth gruff and honest smith dude who loved his work and his people (started a level 0 with commoner statblock, no class)

>>96240539
Sure, check out their minicampaign with Brennan set in the last 24-48 hours (I forget) before the Calamity and end of the "high age of fantasy" setting. Pretty much universally lauded as the best thing to come out of critical role. I don't want to hype it up that much, but it's good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlIkkeWmVvA

It is fairly different from what he normally does, since he usually works with improv actors. A lot of the shows are up on youtube, at least from the earlier seasons. I'm honestly not sure what people think is the best show to enter as a newcome, but you could just start with season 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zZxCVBi7-k&list=PLhOoxQxz2yFOcJoLoPRyYzjqCbddeOjP4&index=2

A benefit is that entire season (and the sequel) is on youtube.

And, I will say, Brennan actually knows how to write cultures and conflicts based on actual history, and knows how to write bad guys besides "lol evil wizards" whereas Matt only know how to worldbuild by ripping off video games.

>>96240539
Brennan when it comes to his work for Critical Role is actually pretty fucking good. Even better than Matt, i got to say. He found just the right balance between humor and drama and violence, which in a medium and players like these, can be really fucking tough

>>96240539
>>96240628
>>96240658

But will the overarching message be "Capitalism Bad" like a lot of the Dimension 20 stuff?

>>96240539
Brennan's specialty is shorter campaigns, D20 is usually like 20 episodes at most per season. I'm hoping that he takes that pacing to CR because I can't stand having a month in a row again where we troll around a city doing shopping and light roleplay with a token combat encounter thrown in. Give me plot, pussy.
Also Travis loves how he runs games and Travis has the best taste in CR.
>>96240874
Did you miss all the "capitalism bad" stuff in CR 1-3 retard?

I remember watching campaign one a long time ago. But the backlog is just so gigantic I couldn't keep up with that shit. I remember feeling very awkward with the weird looking bald guy Dragonborn also.

Anyway then they started doing Campaign .. 3? I think. Everything new and fresh. Ashley Johnson was back when a character called Fern who I thought was super funny, but again I couldn't keep up with how long the episodes were.

Point is, how do you guys keep up with this and watch it? Should I try Campaign 4?

I have never played DnD in my life, I don't like woke shit, I'm currently in the middle of C2, and I find CR content rather enjoyable.
Great stuff to listen to on the background while I pretend to work.
Have no idea what Daggerheart is, but it doesn't matter, I will be here when C4 drops.

>>96225616
>loli
Nta, but loli isn't pedo. Its 2d drawings of fictional characters which by their own nature are not and cannot be human beings, ergo they cannot have human rights, ergo they cannot be pedophilia

>>96241002
Did you start from C1?

>>96237453

That Brennan guy gives away some heavy pedophile aura, I do not like him at all. You can tell he is up to something.

>>96197584
>I think having her accept her goblin form and moving on instead of going back would have made for a better story b
she has a kid and a husband, of course she would try everything to go back to them you fucking insensitive faggot

>>96241385
>outspoken commie
>works for corpo overlord and his content is pay to view
a classic Californian

who will the mandatory dyke pairing be?

>>96241934
me and your crush ;)

>>96231222
>Even hardcore fans on reddit are now pointing out you've done some creepy shit toward Travis' wife both in and out of character.
Sauce?

>>96240539
CR didn't become popular based on the strengths and weaknesses of Matt, so comparing DMs like you've drafted a star player in your fantasy team makes no sense to me. For a lot of people, the show was entertaining because of the chemistry between the players and also because they obviously bought into Matt's world and style of DMing. That obviously changes if you bring in a new DM, promise a change of cast (?) and a lot more new guests. I highly doubt the new campaign will fill like CR anymore despite being called "C4" and that's not criticism of the new guy who might possibly be better than Matt but that's besides the point

>>96237453
Matt might play as a god, so he can Deus Ex DM from the position of a player as needed. I think that would be fun.

>>96241934
>dykes
>not gays
its coming

Honestly, Brennan seems like a normal guy who just so happened to get surrounded by Californians. His mother wrote for Heavy Metal. All the "anti-capitalism" stuff seems so put on for the audience. Same with the other big podcast DM, Brian Murphy, who is actually a bit of a hardass on the rules and 'fun allowed' bullshit

>>96239498
Where did you see the length?
>cast knows how long campaign will go
People will still say it doesn't have PC plot armor and scripted/rigged outcomes.

>>96244781
Do y'all not talk about that in a session 0? "Hey, I have this much story planned for the campaign, I think it should take about 30 sessions, we meet every other week, so we should be done in just over a year" was what I went over with my current group

>no details about the campaign yet
They're trying to soften the blow by not announcing it won't be D&D but Daggerheart, good luck to the next DM for having to use a system most won't be familiar with

>>96231608
white men

>>96244797
You sound like a control freak

>>96244797
Not really, no. That sure as hell isn't how Campaign 1 worked for the CR crew, particularly when they started. It was a bunch of voice actors getting together to play D&D, to give Liam something to take his mind off things. Then it became a show.

>>96241023
Yes.

>>96246003
Matt was always letting them win though, the worst that could happen was a PC's hair becoming white. Matt said he wanted Liam to max his PC because he'd never done it before. Travis and Sam (the ones who seemed to want consequences the most) all out plotting PC deaths in C3 shows they never learned that D&D is not writing a play (collaborative storytelling).
C1 was rigged for them to max and save the world.
C2 was rigged for them to complete their scripted character arcs
C3 was rigged for Matt to complete his scripted outcome
As >>96245279 says, the cast of Critical Role are a bunch control freaks who can't handle an honest game.

>>96231608
>they're good now!
>that means you can't fight them!
The concept of alignment has fallen out of popularity and default baddies are seen as dull and uncreative. Who is evil and who you can kill us now just a big ol' "It depends on your setting". You are now responsible for having an imagination to play a roleplaying game. Sorry.

Last i heard thr last campaign (something about gods? The party had an atgeist cleric?) Didn't seem to even have taken off the ground. Never watched it or any other CR, but the threads are entertaining.
Can i get a qrd of what happened in c3?

>>96248693
>Who is evil and who you can kill us now just a big ol' "It depends on your setting".
Ok. In my setting, orcs, goblins, and minotaurs are evil and you can kill them.

>>96249167
in my setting women are evil
you can enslave or kill them to make them pay for all the evils of their past

>>96240913
Okay I forgot how charming these people are. First of all I love Ashley Johnson as a voice actress. I remember she played a more reserved person in C1 so seeing her play this freaky fawn in C3 is hilarious.

The only two that aren't quite as charming is the weirdo with purple hair and Liam. But even so, I just get weird vibes, but they're not an active detraction like the bald guy was in C1.

There was this really cute moment where Marisha Ray says in a schoolyard bully accent "DM's pet!" and Liam begins to sing the Doris Day song and immediately within a second they're all singing it. If I didn't have faith, I would say that is scripted! It's cute. You can tell they're all such good friends.

I wish I had friends =)

But yeah they are funny people and play off of one another well, it is dense with comedy this

>>96249167
That's fine anon. You don't need the book to tell you what your setting is like. That's the point.

>>96197559
What an ugly fucking art style. Why does she look Pakistani? Trim your eyebrows, bitch. Whoever drew this should die.

>>96249167
That's your prerogative & always has been

For me, my favorite low level D&D is usually some evil fey shit being lead by a hag

>>96241021
The term "loli" is derived from the term "lolita," which itself is a pedophile term. You were exposed to the Internet at too young of an age.

>>96250430
>which itself is a pedophile term.
no, it's a book about how people can make awful things sound nice and beautiful to justify things no one would ever tolerate. And the people doing movie adaptations where the pedophile kidnapper gets a happy ending are living proof of this.

Aabria is just like me fr

So why DID Orion leave?

>>96238301
being on 4chan in your 60's is pretty pathetic man

>>96250794
"creative differences"
meaning he asked for bigger slice of the money and the rest of the team decided they would rather let him go

>>96250794
He said in a podcast he was let go due to drug use. I knew Acaba wasn't fired due to behavior at the table because Liam still does the same shit every episode that Orion did.

>>96248693
>Labels PC Good
>Is perfectly fine with Evil actions of party month after month.
With the death of alignment, so goes role-play and imagination.

>>96250604
>pedophile kidnapper gets a happy ending
you didn't see the films

>>96250644
>wizard that hides groups' items, tries to kill other party members, and is played Chaotic Evil entire campaign (despite stat sheet saying and telling audience Good).
>sexy
I hate every one of these these theater fuck frauds

>>96231574
>Was the tribe that cursed her to be a goblin played as "good"? Can't remember.
They unironically were later revealed to being manipulated by a hag and were actually good but being coerced into evil even though nott specifically said that they forced her to torture people because the goblins thought torture was fun

>>96251537
Does Liam make everybody uncomfortable? I remember Orion talking about how his character got a boner when Laura's character did something and her husband looked like he wanted to murder him

>>96251905
see >>96231222
They were able to laugh much of it off by then, though. Liam was their boss in their day jobs. I think the cast already had Stockholm Syndrome from Liam's shit.

>>96251905
>>96252020
forgot pic

>>96249134
Instead of coming up with an actual plan to deal with the horrific eldritch creature that eats gods. The gods decided to take the retarded advice of the Raven Queen, and make themselves mortal.

>>96251617
>I need someone to hold my hand and tell me what morals my character has and what good and bad actions are regardless of context

Alignments are for autistic kids like you who can't grok human emotions and need to be told that screaming in public to get what you want when mom said no minecraft at dinner, isn't a "good" action.

>>96251617
>but if I don't have alignments then my good character will ignore the evil the party does
I really can't wrap my head around how someone is this stupid.

>>96252570
Alignment is supposed to be a metaphysical thing, aligning you to one side or the other in a cosmic war that you may not even realize you're part of. The fault lies with retards using it as some kind of fucking twitter hashtag. But tying it to more than just Law and Chaos was the worst mistake in the end.

>>96252594
This is a fault of players more than anything. They are spineless and do not want conflict, even if it's all fake. But even with the modern version of alignment people forget that it's supposed to change with your actions, not dictate your actions.

Most of the Mighty Nein should be Chaotic at best, several Evil as well. But you'd never be able to convince a bunch of people that fled to California to realize that.

>>96251617
Who said your PC was Good, anon?

I don't know anything about Critical Roll. I've always been disinterested in podcasts (I'm a more visual guy) and I don't have any particular opinions on Matt Mercer. While I have heard my friends call it dumb and gay, since I myself don't have an independent opinion on it I won't comment on it. This is my post for this thread.

Don't forget to exercise today.

>>96252801
>a cosmic war
a fun bit of lore that sometimes works but generally is not useful in most settings. So it depends on the setting.

See the issue with alignments is that it is a crutch. Not a bad thing, it's a thing that assists but can be inhibit when not needed. It can be useful and easy, especially with stupid and lazy players, perfect for a classic dungeon crawl with everything by the book.

But if it just gets in the way of your own world building if you are actually doing any of that, it gets in the way of RP if your players do any of that, it makes character shallow. And if you go all "cosmic war" in your lore then you'd still be better off not relying on a simple alignment grid. It neuters the pantheon.

Alignments are training wheels at best, leashes for autistic kids at worst.

Is it true ? Is BLM the DM for season 4?

>>96231608
You can't imagine having conflict with Orcs, Goblins or Minotaurs as antagonists if not all of them wear an ID card saying "Chaotic Evil" and live only to eat babies and be killed?

>>96252963
Hold on the bandits we ran into on the road forgot their ID cards so we're not able to confirm if we're justified to fight back. And the invading kingdom trying to reclaim supposed ancient lands for their greedy king, are not giving me a straight answer on their alignment, and since they're not green skinned I can't assume.

They're currently filling my party full of arrows but they're supposed to be good aligned and follow the right gods and everything. This game makes no sense!

>>96252093
That's a bit of a weird hug because it's strangely like submissive like he's a little kid. But he's not suckling her tit or anything.
>>96252020
>>96231222
I see! I never really noticed. He has dead sociopath eyes though.

>>96241021
'pedophilia' is not a term that applies only to a live human child, anon. a photograph of a real child is not the child itself, but masturbating to a photo of a real child still makes you a pedophile. the further abstraction of fictionalizing and animating the object of your lust doesn't change the object itself.

a guy who gets off to drawings of kim possible's feet is still a footfag, anon, you know it to be true.

seek help

>>96253330
>But he's not suckling her tit or anything.
He would if he could

>>96192865 (OP)
I hate how skinny all the men are, even the half orc

Eat a burger Jesus

>>96253996
I remember that being brought up in the actual campaign when they arrived at a city composed almost entirely of orcs, goblins, minotaur and other creatures. Fjord was puny. And when he lost his warlock powers briefly, the party realized he really was physically weak since it was all powered by his Charisma. Jester has a far higher Strength than he does.

>>96252570
No. Without them it always becomes self inserting, being random like the character is psychotic, or attempts at writing a fucking story ("character growth"/change). It's why pre gens were always a thing and backgrounds were not. Trouble is too many control freaks and a cheats that can't handle fundamental rules of RP have infested the hobby, and destroyed the whole point of the genre.

>>96253330
Liam could say "my charter hugs hers", but no he has to act it out like a play. It's not RP, it's performing just so he can fondle her.

>>96254335
>without them it always becomes self serving
for you, because you're unable to imagine how other people think and feel. You're not beating the autism allegations here. You're straight up confirming them.

You struggle to imagine how other people think and feel so it becomes projection. Just like how you're unable to imagine that your problem is not universal, and you might be the autistic outlier alignments were made for. Congrats.

>>96254366
Oh I didn't realize it was for that.
Well, I see Robbie and Marisha are both very touchy feely with one another. He puts his head on her shoulder, she grabs him and shakes him and leans on her when laughing.

Normally I'd be like sus but idk I get good vibes from them like they're just good friends. But Liam does not give good vibes. He gives depressed incel vibes slightly. It doesn't help that his Orym character is so goddamn boring.

>>96253859
You would if you could as well.

>>96244243
He’s anti xp and anti sandbox, spiritually leftist to the core

>>96251905
very based cringe moment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRGlmDEvpo

I cannot find ANYBODY discussing Liam's creepy behavior

>>96256531
Toxic positivity fanbase + parasocialism

>>96256705
I want to say it is toxic negativity here, but as I am watching Campaign 3 I do notice that Liam pulls Laura aside a lot, puts his hand on his character's arm, tries to force bonds. Says "Hey... let's roleplay".

>>96256531
Because Laura is fully aware that she is torturing this pathetic beta

>>96256907
Is it true she forced a romance with Travis in Campaign 2 to avoid Liam's advances? if I were Laura idk what I'd do. If you confront Liam he'll say dude no you totally misinterpreted everything! But then your friendship and dynamic will be forever changed and screw over the billion dollar company you have.

>>96256938
Yeah I heard she also likes to play super sexual characters and likes watching Liam squirm. Watch closely whenever sexual stuff comes up in games, she will always have a smirking look at Liam followed by a "knowing" look with Travis.

>>96256956
If this is true it is lowkey funny. I guess if there's nothing you can do about it, the best thing to do is just laugh about it with your hubby. I'll keep an eye out!

>>96256962
Oh also I wanted to say!
Imogen? Great character, a little speshul but Laura Bailey is charming enough to make me enjoy her.
Laudna is great, despite Marisha Ray being a little bit obnoxious (she does seem much more mature than she did C1 though!)
Fresh Cut Grass, a little grating but doesn't detract.
Dorian? Charming and fun.
Fearne best character Ashley Johnson is so fucking funny.
Ashton ... a little bit of an edgelord and the purple hair guy isn't good enough of an actor to make it charming, HOWEVER he is mature enough to know when to ease up a bit.

Then Liam's character is just so godawful boring. I hate him.

>>96256956
>Yeah I heard
Can we see this insider information, or was it revealed to you in a dream?

what do you think about Reddit's official character ranking? pretty based, I guess?

>>96258030
>Scanland #6
gay list

>>96255983
Interestingly, these did not have much impact.
https://youtu.be/kpkCcb--r90?t=2002
https://youtu.be/_dIBh0dGhzI?t=9112
https://youtu.be/IW6GgFQg3kk?t=9775
https://youtu.be/kre27f30IVs?t=2158

>>96258212
>The known womanizing bard's lewd jokes and act does not seem out of place compared to the so-called wise sorcerer.
Orion is clearly jealous of the other cast members and tries to make his character a mix of all the others
>Sexual humor from Scanlan (half-chub)
>Tinkering from Percy (tries to continue building the Archimedes Death Ray after Percy gives up on the project after talking with Matt)
>Pet owner from Vex (getting his own animal companion, a dragon called Lockheed)
>The unofficial leadership role from Vax

>>96254395
Nope. Adhering to alignment IS understanding how another would feel and behave. That is role-play. You aren't beating the sociopath, control freak, and cheat allegations.

>>96256531
There seems to be many more group pics of him hovering around her than even his best friend Sam. He's has to be by her nearly every live show and panel too. It's so creepy.

>>96256938
Yep. Travis wanted to avoid doing any romance shit, but most of them think forcing relationships between PCs is RP. picrel is Liam's actual reaction, not a performance.

I am watching Campaign 3 and having fun so far, I skipped boring parts like when Dorian's brother showed up. And a lot of the combat. I mostly like when they're roleplaying and talking and it is funny (not roleplaying gay stuff like this is my sad backstory).

Anyways I looked online and people were saying Campaign 3 sucks balls and I Fear it will get worse and I am wasting my time. Am I?

I would go watch Campaign 1 but I know Ashley Johnson is not in it consistantly and I am in love with her

>>96258030
>Recovering Nazi Wizard sadboi #1
>Dick-graffiti Manic Pixie Nightmare Girl #3
>Cowbolg #4
>The guy who was cool when he was Texan for the first 40 episodes and then became an accessory in Jester's story at #5
>Beau not dead last
>Nott "Ruined when she became Veth again" The Brave that high
>Big titty fae bimbo under side-cut barbarian and Captain Exandria Sad Enabler Edition
>Scanlan that low
>Vax not banished to the depths of whatever Exandria has instead of hell

At least the C3 cast didn't make it further than #10, and that was the guest character who was kind of decent.

These niggers are way too in love with C2 and I don't understand why

>>96192865 (OP)
I really enjoyed Jester—her voice was fantastic, and Marsha’s constant armpit reveals were a nice touch.
I wish Nott had been voiced by a female actor, as the character was great, but Sam’s performance didn’t do it for me.
Liam’s rambling was tough to sit through; he could easily go on for three hours, so I’d just tune out.

The ending was a letdown—such a shame for the two muscle girls to be weird dykes.
I didn’t watch Campaign 1 until after Campaign 2 wrapped, and I couldn’t get into Campaign 3 at all.


Jocks Machina was the peak of Critical Role for me. It’s a pity it was just a one-shot. It really was the best cast since they where not the drama class special mix.


>>96240628
>Brennan
Brennan can be incredible. Sometimes the cast got on my nerves, and I didn’t find anyone to root for, but Brennan’s storytelling kept me hooked. His space setting, inspired by his mom’s work, was great you could tell he poured his heart into building his world.

>>96248693
100% and nice gnome
>>96259481
>Adhering to alignment
I feel it makes the game better since you can't always choice what helps you the most.

>>96260976
>Sometimes the cast got on my nerves
D20 cast tier list(intrepid heroes)
Tier 1: Lou. Emily
Tier 2: Zac
Tier 3: Murph, Siobhan
Tier 4: Ally

>>96261094
I only really enjoyed Brennan if I had to pick a 2nd it would be Siobhan

>>96261094
I'll agree with that, but I will say that even Ally has improved (which is more than I can say for the CR cast). I was actually impressed with the last Fantasy High because Ally actually attempted to interact with their characters' former church/members in a positive way- actually gave them the benefit of the doubt instead of simply dismissing the entire religion and its members as evil. This was undercut by Brennan making every one Ally tried it with a douchebag, but still, I appreciated the effort.

>>96260699
>I skipped boring parts
So how many episodes out of the dozens did you actually watch because it would have to be like one out of ten at most right?

>>96259481
>adhering to alignment is roleplaying
it's literally the game telling you how to behave because you're unable to imagine it yourself. If you understood why a character thinks a way then you know how they'd react, but if you need someone to hold your hand and tell you "he's a good guy he has to say good guy things" you're playing with a really shallow concept of morality separate of any context to actions.

Alignments are a crutch.

I tried starting campaign 2 a while back and when the cast was like "wooooaaaaaah" over a natural 20 on an unimportant skill check in the first episode I decided it was not for me.

>>96259770
>not a performance.
Liam is well-known to keep "in character" and I don't think the faggot wizard was meant to romance Jester (because his character arc was already pre-written and Jester would be too much of a free spirit to be tied to him)

>>96192865 (OP)
Reminder nothing is real in these “campaigns”

>verification not requiredd

>>96254366
>>96254482
What makes it worse is Liam's married, with children. Or at least he's supposed to be.

>>96260699
Campaign 1 is better for a somewhat more traditional set of characters. No one is too quirky, or too faggy. They lean into more classic tropes. Audio and video quality will be bad to dogshit for a solid 40ish episodes however, given none of it was taken too seriously at the time. I also think the guests they had on were better overall.

>>96260720
>These niggers are way too in love with C2 and I don't understand why

Which makes me fucking confused how Mollymauk is so low. With the way they reacted to his retarded demise, you'd think the fans would put him up at #1. I feel it in my bones, that that is what steered Matt hard into just not letting people die anymore.

>>96261656
Scanlan is reddit personified

I tried watching VM and the rapping thing fucking broke me

>>96261612
Ashley was a barb (perma advantage) but the frequency of 20s for others is a bit suspect

The fact that fir bolgs all look like cows due to Matt Is frankly a felony

>>96192865 (OP)
>I miss the threads we used to have for it, especially back in C2.
I feel the same but it will never be the same.

>>96261656
I watched a little bit of it many years ago and I found myself quite annoyed by both Scanlan and by Marisha Ray (not her character, her). But now in Campaign 3 I find her sort of delightful. She's a fucking weirdo, clearly a massive dork, yet not attention whorey anymore and so it becomes charming.

Honestly one person I don't like can ruin the entire thing, but campaign 3 has started out perfectly likeable, or at the very least nobody standing out as annoying. Sam is mostly quiet which is great. He perturbs me.

>>96258030
Mind you, I only watched ~20 episodes of CR3, I was hoping Travis could save it

>>96261395
Picrel >>96259481 is explaining and defining role-play. The writer co-created the genre and was the one most involved in its refinement. He can define it. There are punishments for trying to exploit the game/its world with your own shady definitions, "but, it's morally grey" shiftiness, and self-inserting. He was actively trying to repel that bullshit. Role-play is NOT controlling every dimension of your character. I'm reminded of Liam being told on a high insight check that his character IS SUPPOSED to think the guest PC is being truthful, but Liam still did the opposite (what he planned to do the whole time). He didn't role-play, he shat on the spirit of the game, and just self inserted. You sound like you just can't handle actual role-play or consequences either. You don't have the scruples.

>>96197559
They turned the character from a goblin nympho with a canonically huge rack into a 5'2" 200 lb looking halfling with that 'latina mom after five kids' look that is constantly looking to cuckold her husband (he's into it).

Kind of shit but it's ancient history now I reckon.

>>96263449
>Sam is mostly quiet
Well, that's probably cause of the throat cancer.

>>96268067
>The writer co-created the genre and was the one most involved in its refinement. He can define it.
That has historical value, not practical value. Gygax doesn't have the final say on what roleplaying or alignments mean until the end of time, and from beyond the grave. That's not even touching upon purely autistic concepts like "alignment language" that clearly show Gygax was either high when he thought of them, or simply not the genius game designer you think he was.

>I'm reminded of Liam being told on a high insight check that his character IS SUPPOSED to think the guest PC is being truthful, but Liam still did the opposite
That's being an egocentric player and That Guy, but it's not really comparable to ditching alignments (which newer editions do) in favor of a more flexible and nuanced form of roleplay that isn't limited to a 3x3 grid. The idea that both shit on the "spirit of the game" (an ill-defined term, ironically, since you mentioned "shady definitions") or become self-insertion is disingenuous. The alignments-as-a-crutch anon is right. They're only relevant for the cosmic framework of the universe, not whether Bob and Alice get 3 Lawful or Chaotic points for their recent actions.

I'm in S3 of the animated series and I have never finished watching a single live session of theirs. It's blatantly clear that the series has been written by leftist Americans, but I can value it for what it is and the action is generally great.They use the world "fuck" in every sentence and the world is hella anachronistic for example but, as I said, that's a given from American leftist millenials (cause swearing 24/7 = maturity and humor).

I don't know if the animated adaptation is better from their live campaigns, but it's gonna be hard to sit down and binge watch 3 hour episodes for like 2 seasons.

>>96197372
I only enjoy critical roll ironically. That's the only way it can be enjoyed.

>>96271430
>anachronistic
Bruh it's not a real time period.
>>96268877
Damn so that's why he looks like he is withering away. Throat cancer for a voice actor is awful. I wonder what he did to deserve that.

>>96272851
When someone calls a work of High Fantasy anachronistic or americanized they usually mean in regards to the medieval/pseudo-medieval setting that HF takes place. Treating a setting like this under the lens of our modern 21st century society is simply not applicable.

>>96271430
>>96273129
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flen_flyys

>>96271430
Californians are like that, they can't envision any other culture an their own.

>>96271430
>the animated series sounds like what the players did while they played the game, and this is bad because i wanted british standard english and mudcore instead of crit role

>>96274352
>his players don't even try to think and act like fantasy warriors while playing the game
ngtmi

>>96272851
Well he already had treatment, far as I recall he beat the cancer. But had to relearn how to talk, let alone do voice work and sing. It'll make Scanlan's return in the TV show interesting, the voice won't be the same.

>>96272851
>Bruh it's not a real time period.
What? What a retarded argument:
>A BMW in middle earth? WHY NOT?! IT IS NOT A *REAL* TIME PERIOD.

>>96274951
they might have bwms in exandria, i dont fucking know the lore well enough.

why would you assume that all settings are middle earth? wtf is wrong with you

>>96274993
They do not have bmws in exandria, like pathfinder/5e that it was based on Exandria is a medieval european high fantasy set in between 1300 and 1600 AD

i was gonna make a /crg/ because i wanted to talk to you guys and know what happened in all these million live shows i didnt watch

and also know what the consensus on BLM replacing mercer?

>>96275356
Brendan boy is a good DM, he just might not be a good fit for the CR cast, also does he even have iconic catchphrases like how do you wanna do this

>>96231222
>>96259654
again this week. no reason each table couldn't switch around

is this a different live show? what happened on the last?

Laura looks hot as fuck in Imogen cosplay ngl.

>>96259481
>>96268067
The need to control every aspect of the character, the inability to 'ROLE' with the dice, and waffling PC beliefs and behavior to "win" either way instead of committing to principles (alignment) is a sign of the times. I've seen society become more sociopathic and mindless over the decades in everything they do. It really is like a cultural alignment change. It's no wonder phonies like CR are selling out arenas.

>faang team matching
>chink manager
how would you rate chink vs jeet vs jew vs white manager?

>>96192865 (OP)
I never watched that gay shit.
I never will.
Watching others play games/sports instead of playing them yourself is peak beta cuck faggotry.
People who do it are the biggest fucking retards on the whole god damned planet.

>>96192865 (OP)
Okay I've progressed in Campaign 3 and how can redditors insist it is horrible? I am laughing so hard. They need to slip the ring off from this guy at the gala and replace it with a fake one and they're arguing back and forth about how to do it, just chaos. Makes me laugh. And then it finally comes time too and they're panicking, Ashley panics and just fucking tugs it off and makes it. And then gets yelled at to drop it and she goes "plink plink plink" and you can see everybody's face drop. They're so invested you can tell how tense they are. And then Dorian tries kicking it across the room.

Just started from C1 on session 2 atm.
Is Tiberius/Orion really so bad that I need to skip 30 episodes for the show to get good or is the reaction to it overblown? He's been pretty funny so far

>>96288694
orion leaving coincides with the best episodes and the overall quality of the show becoming better
really the end of the vampire arc - beginning dragon is just supreme kino. You have an episode at a town fair that is just excellent scene after excellent scene. Stuff before is kinda jank, and after that you have the best CR has to offer. Episode after episode of just high stakes, great character moments, cool adventures, the works. Then the final arc is kinda mid, and everything they've made since has never reached that peak, except that C2 had some really great guests, and C3 has robbie

>>96288694
Completely overblown. Everything people point to him doing that made him "bad", others at the table did as well. That and skipping them means you miss the introduction of a lot of characters that will come back later. The only real downside is the shitty audio.

>>96288694
he will have a few pissy moments down the line but really people act like typical liberal redditors and hype this up like the second coming of evil.

>>96275392
Brendan despite actually being able to DM, won't be selected
>White Male
>Good at his job
>Actually plays the game
>Has his own things going on
Take your pick.

>>96192865 (OP)
In this episode I'm watching, Talesin went to the bathroom and couldn't make a decision and Sam said "I'll do it for him" and then in a deep haughty voice went "Fuck fuck man fuck Ashton doesn't fucking care about what the fuck to do"

It didn't seem very jokey it seemed like there was a lot of resentment behind that

>>96290130
Brother what are you talking about? The entire cast is white people. Also Brendan was confirmed to be picked so the entire cast will STAY white people.

>>96290130
>he doesn't know
The real question is whether they'll play D&D still or go with their terrible new system. Yeah cool, make a system where the players have to actually engage with the world building and that is more complex to play than 5e for a group that can't get through an Easy difficulty combat in less than 2 hours.