Thread 96230960 - /tg/

Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:30:18 AM No.96230960
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>Imperium "fans" get first cool new lore in years
>they hate it overwhelmingly
Do warhammer fans like anything? Is it just a perpetual misery circle jerk
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:38:39 AM No.96231002
>>96230960 (OP)
>in the grimdarkness of the 41st millennium their is only lore
Im not one of the oldfags who thinks this is the worst GW lore blotch they've given us recently because that still goes to retcon'd femstodes (yes its because i hate women you are very clever for pointing that out and my argument is invalid i guess)
but the terminus Decree should have remained mysterious or at least been revealed in something bigger than a codex
maybe a book or something where we finally see it read aloud at the end of a long battle where Castellan Crowe decides the darkest hour of the imperium might be upon it and breaks chapter doctrine to use it despite not being grand master
only to see the dark secret and immediately say he needs to speak to Gulliman knowing that the grey knights alone could never do what needed to be done setting up a possible second civil war in the imperium
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:47:15 AM No.96231038
>>96231002
>femstodes
I kinda want to talk about this. I find this problematic because the Emperor clearly didn't have the time to tweak the Thunder Warrior/Custodes/Space Marine creation formula to accommodate women. It's not like he wouldn't, he just didn't have the time despite the long timespan he had. And this makes sense because to change the entire human biology to achieve what a Space Marine is let alone a Primarch or Custodes took actual thousands of years - and the Space Marine project was basically rushed after the Primarchs were lost (and presumably the Primarchs were the mass-produced version of Custodes, which means the Space Marines are two stages of budget. Terra was entirely Chinese Factory cities at constant war so it's not like he could openly test his creations in vast amounts of hidden wilderness like we have today.

What am I missing here. Is this why it was stupid or did people have other reasons.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:54:07 AM No.96231079
>>96230960 (OP)
>Is it just a perpetual misery circle jerk
I ask this about most fandoms on this site
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:55:21 AM No.96231086
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>>96231038
A lot of reasons, both good and dumb, some more personal than others, but a common one is would be "it's clearly just performative and not to improve the lore" since adding women to the process doesn't actually change the space marine corps in any positive meaningful way. They're still a dehumanizing super military that kidnaps and brainwashes the most physically adept humans into something that is essentially inhuman into being super soldiers who have nothing to look forward to beyond endless war, or on the off-chance they turn renegade being perpetually hunted for trying to turn traitor or joining something like Chaos where they trade one master for another.

That and frankly, it's not like the women that go through the space marine gland procedure would look any more different than the men, they'd still look like hypermasculine balding (or bishie in the case of the Blood Angels) freaks of nature, it's just a fe- in front of the male on their pronouns card. So really, doing such a change is equivalent to doing nothing imo. Space Marines will still be space marines, no-girls-allowed or not
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 1:02:00 AM No.96231116
>>96231086
i've always looked at it as the gene-seed being the limiting factor, not manpower, so why use it on a physically weaker frame?
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 1:04:42 AM No.96231134
>>96231116
That's true. It is all based off the Emprah's genetic framework in the end, so it'd probably be much harder to just switch an xy into an xx like that.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 1:06:14 AM No.96231140
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>>96230960 (OP)
Terminus Decree was in 5e Codex: GK. They added a few lines to it, without stating anything concrete, so they can decide later what to do with it. It'll just end up being like back when the Golden Throne was failing, then the Golden Throne was failing and the Dark Eldar were called to help, then the Golden Throne stopped failing and everything returned to pre-failing status, but we get to talk about how the DE helped to fix the throne and were probably up to no good.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 1:10:18 AM No.96231157
>>96231086
I agree that the whole reason was performative.

But I don't agree with the other reasons. The other reasons apply to Space Marines but not exactly the Custodes. I said the Emperor simply didn't have the time but an argument could be made that he did have the time to make female Custodes but didn't with the derivative Primarchs and Space Marines.

Because the Custodes are a group apart - they, unlike the others that came before them, were raised in relative peace and would have had the freedom to be people and individuals before and even after the Heresy. It would actually make sense for the Custodes to entirely retain their humanity given that humanity is necessary to have the flexibility to defend the Golden Throne for as long as they have. Arguably, all the Space Marines before the heresy were far less fascist and fanatical than they are today.

I agree the the physical aspects wouldn't change but I really stick to the notion that the Emperor couldn't adjust the gene seed to work on female biology. The thing is, human flesh is cheap and plentiful - he doesn't need to go through the effort to make it work on women because there is a neverending supply of males even during wartime on Terra.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 1:13:06 AM No.96231177
>>96231157
Yeah, I mainly wanted to address the space marine thing. The femstodes I'm pretty sure was just done because everyone knows they're "higher up" than space marines and giving them a female face would be some kind of dumb symbolic shit or whatever, as if anyone genuinely cared outside of fandom inertia.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 1:15:23 AM No.96231190
>>96231038
>the Thunder Warrior/Custodes/Space Marine creation formula to accommodate women.

The custodes are noted to not have a "formula" or standard process with which they were made. Also the custodes making process doesn't have genetic "washouts" like Space Marines do.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 1:27:25 AM No.96231257
>>96231190
That's the thing, my half-headcanon is that the Custodes are the Emperor's actual children (not like the Sensei old lore) and they are not modified at all in the same way Primarchs and Space Marines are. They are just people, gifted with immense physical endurance and agelessness. It explains why they are so loyal because the Emperor personally raised them in an actual loving way. They don't fall to Chaos because they have an unnatural resilience. And I actually picture all of them being rather scholarly - they have spent the thousands of years reading and learning when not in security rotation. Like the plan to keep the Custodes on Terra could have been the last remnant of human civilization; like Guilliman forced the Imperium into hopeless fascism but the Primarchs agreed the Custodes would hold the last ideas of liberalism until humanity actually deals with Chaos (which obviously isn't working out).

Like I actually think it could be done to make a whole lot of fucking sense to have women among the Custodes but GW just won't put in the fucking effort like I just did.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 1:34:58 AM No.96231285
>>96230960 (OP)
>cool
It's fucking terrible.It doesn't make any sense.How would they even do it?
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 1:37:55 AM No.96231300
>>96231285
You could say the samething about any of the imperium's goals lol.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 1:47:15 AM No.96231350
>>96230960 (OP)
>Break it is legs
I fucking hate you.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:08:20 AM No.96231423
>>96230960 (OP)
I don't really care either way I just think it's sad another piece of mystery in the setting GW has stripped away. We don't need every single thing laid out for us. Some mystery is fun.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:09:53 AM No.96231433
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>create a cool question in the lore to ruminate over
cool
>answer it
lame
>it is also a shit answer
borders on irreparable motivation killer

"OP" will never understand this concept
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 3:21:48 AM No.96231705
>>96231038
It's because if you have females then they can reproduce. Emps didn't want Space Marines, Custodes, or any of the superhumans replacing humanity, otherwise he would have done so. Jurassic Park understood this.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 3:43:02 AM No.96231781
>>96231038
>Why not women?
Women are bad at most things and especially at war. Even ignoring that (and that's a huge stupid ask) you have the
>Disposable Warriors Thunderwarriors
They were never intended to last long and there is no shortage of men (not to mention men are better at being big and angry).

And then we get
>Disposable Legion Astartes
Who while designed to be longer lasting then the Thunder Warriors were still earmarked for eventual alternatives. There is still no shortage of men and Men are better at Loyalty and Brotherhood so why would you bother.

>Muh Femstodes
Again there is no shortage of men, and men still excel at the things you want out of bodyguards and the last line of defence. There's a Glimmer of arguement for 'Custodes are designed to be the best at everything, all arts and culture AND the last defenders of the Emperor' but even if you look at Culture, men still culturally mog women. I don't think the emperor particularly needs a woman to play 'isn't it ironic' and sing relatively well. Again, no shortage of men who can do all of these things.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 4:03:03 AM No.96231846
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>>96230960 (OP)
Can I have a qrd?
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 4:12:09 AM No.96231876
It is completely nonsensical to task the Grey Knights with this shit. They'll just fucking eat shit. Imagine actually seriously trying to assert that they could face off against the Custodes (who outnumber them 10 to 1), the Sisters of Silence making their psychic abilities irrelevant, whatever vaults of bullshit Terra has, its fleet and also an Emperor who just got off the Throne. It's the most absurd wank imaginable.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 4:19:02 AM No.96231896
>>96230960 (OP)
"I made you this cake made out of indian shit. why don't you like it? it's a cake, isn't it?"

You remind me of every modern star wars fan. You don't much care for quality, only that something else new is coming, something to fill the feed trough and you don't much care what's in it.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 5:00:35 AM No.96232028
>>96231038
If you have both men and women, then you have a race of super beings that could theoretically reproduce without involving normal humans at all. This is bad if they're supposed to be humanity's greatest weapon and not a replacement race.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 5:02:01 AM No.96232033
>>96231086
Wrong. They're going to be lithe dommy mommies with big breasts, huge asses, and rockin' thighs.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 5:05:19 AM No.96232044
>>96230960 (OP)
>Is it just a perpetual misery circle jerk
Yes. Though, there're those who think that service in support of the worst of all possible tyrranies is based and honorable because it killed every other option for humanity 10k years ago.

I had hoped there was a second Interex type humanity remnant out there, just so there was a possible human sect that followed no false gods.

But, GW seems to be trying to make the Imperium the unironic good guys, so whatever. Setting's dead.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 5:06:16 AM No.96232051
>>96231846
Grey Knights had a thing called the Terminus Decree, which was a narrative mystery box to be opened in the unwritten future as a last resort.
New lore reveals it is actually instructions to put the Emperor back on the Golden Throne if he ever tries to get off it. Which is an odd thing for the Grey Knights to have.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 5:15:23 AM No.96232082
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>>96232051
danke
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 5:16:10 AM No.96232088
>>96232051
"What an odd thing to write."
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 5:37:22 AM No.96232146
>>96232051
What the fuck? I'm not up to date on the hottest and latest lore shit, but I feel like I would have heard about the emperor getting off his throne. Seems like a big deal.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 5:45:26 AM No.96232176
>>96232146
He didn't, the reveal of the terminous decree is about if he does.

... Which kinda doesn't make any fucking sense, as the order was supposed to be opened when things looked their darkest and all hope was lost.

Now, you have to imagine, in some alternate 41k, when the Tyrannids arrive in Sol, a Grey Knight runs to the seal chamber, and finds the decree, opening it to reveal it was an order to put Big E back on his golden training toilet if he ever gets up.

That's how little sense it makes.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 5:45:48 AM No.96232180
>>96232044
>reddit spacing
>reddit opinion
Maybe you just need to go back?
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 6:06:59 AM No.96232283
>>96232176
Makes no sense no matter how you look at it.
Most angles in the lore point to the emperor/imperium delaying the inevitable by forcing him to stay on that throne as a major reason why the Imperium is failing to begin with.
Also isn't there a big warp portal behind him that he keeps closed with his magnificent ass cheeks? Once he gets up and Terra gets overrun by demons I don't think plopping him back there fixes anything. Just reinstates the status quo, best case scenario. Yeah I can see why fans are upset.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 6:31:01 AM No.96232347
>>96231134
>why use the inferior body type?
>you're right, to make XY into XX you'd need some kind of superscience
I swear some anons are brick walls.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 6:33:23 AM No.96232352
You know the whole thing is just clearly GW doing their damndest to kill any semblance of star child lore coming back.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 6:47:51 AM No.96232392
>>96232352
Who even came up with the star child? Was it ADB?
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 6:51:24 AM No.96232405
>>96232392
>Was it ADB?
Buddy that shit is from Rogue Trader.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 6:57:10 AM No.96232431
>>96232392
That shit is fucking ancient, GW long abandoned it like the sensei.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:02:39 AM No.96232448
>>96230960 (OP)
>perpetual misery circle jerk
Just like this nonsensical, stupid ass lore addition then.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:08:19 AM No.96232462
>>96231876
>>96231285
>>96231433
>>96232051
> Emperor leaves throne
> The throne spits out endless hordes of demons
>All those Custodes and Sisters die fighting endless demons before the Grey Knights even show up
>GEEEEEE the demon hunting specialists literally designed to wade into fucking hellscapes are tasked with reactivating the thing that closes the door to the warp.


Your all actual morons that havent thought a single thing through.

ALL the defenders on terra you imagine would fight the grey knights are fucking dead.

It is so fucking braindead to not realize exactly why GW gave this job to the Grey Knights.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:10:14 AM No.96232470
>>96231038
Making supersoldiers from men is inherently easier than making them from women. So even logistically speaking, making women space marines/custodes doesn't make sense. You're just going to end up with a sterile man anyhow, as all this happens before puberty for a reason.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:11:09 AM No.96232475
>>96232462
Or, the Emperor could have just had his Custodes put him back on the throne, who also happen to guard it an a full legion of 10k hang around the palace? Why in the flying fuck would you entrust that duty to an off-world group that are inferior to the Big E's honor guard in every way? Jesus Christ you're fucking retarded.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:13:47 AM No.96232487
>>96232462
I'm pretty sure if the throne stops it isn't going to be hordes of daemons it's going to be a second eye of terror that will also swallow the GK's fortress which is over Saturn. Even they won't survive that.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:16:29 AM No.96232494
>>96232475
What if the emperor is the one trying to get off the throne dipshit.

>I-inferior

Fucking moron, no Custodies, not even Valdor come EVEN CLOSE to the bullshit Kaldor Draigo has pulled off, and Draigo isnt even the strongest grand master in grey knight history, fuck there are 8 other grand masters besides him, he just got stuck in the warp. What a fucking stupid person you are.

"Whhaaaaaaaa, Warp specialists shouldn't be used to re contain a warp entity because I need to suck Custodies cock Whaaaaa"
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:17:50 AM No.96232498
>>96232487
Clearly both Malcador and the Emperor thought differently, enough to plan around this.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:19:36 AM No.96232506
>>96232498
Considering the state of the Imperium I trust their plans about as much as I trust an ork to not stab a guy.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:20:47 AM No.96232513
>>96232475
>Emperor decides to leave the throne
>this is doom for the imperium
>The custodies are stupid loyal to the emperor
>No, we totally will ignore his commands and put him back on the throne

Custodies would be the LAST people Malcador would trust with a command like that. They wouldnt care about the rest of the Imperium.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:21:46 AM No.96232517
>>96232494
You don't need to even bring up Draigo, the custodes got bested by literal clowns and a bunch of heresy era dark angels, much less the grey knights.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:24:19 AM No.96232528
>>96232517
Custodies lost to a fucking genestealer cultist with construction equipment.

Its so fucking obvious that its just custodies fans butthurt that any faction is implied to be a able to fight, again proving just how terrible the faction is for the game.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:28:36 AM No.96232546
>>96231705
>>96232028
Arent space marines just humans with a bunch of supped up augmentations? Like theoretically, if we did have female space marines, if male sm and female sm mate, wouldnt it just be a regular ass human? I get why not for custodes, because they are just straight mutants bio-engineered at the dna level, thus they probably can reproduce if there were femstodes. Does the gene-seed change an astartes so much on the dna structure? Im a bit of a lorelet so i have no idea.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:29:55 AM No.96232553
>>96232494
> ...no Custodies, not even Valdor come EVEN CLOSE to the bullshit Kaldor Draigo has pulled off

The Custodes and Sisters of Silence held back a literal endless warp invasion. Six Custodes literally held off an entire hive invasion fleet = Swarmlord. Grey Knights legitimately don't stand a chance. lmao, get real
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:31:24 AM No.96232562
>>96232546
I believe the idea is more a pirmarch issue, the key explanation for why it doesn't work with women is that the geneseed is derived from the primarchs who are all male thus implying some sort of connection to male DNA specifically. And Big E didn't want female primarchs.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:33:14 AM No.96232570
>>96232517
Space Wolves merced the Grey Knights. Harlequins are literally the best military unit in the whole setting. Can we get some serious rebuttals here? lmao
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:34:16 AM No.96232575
lol cry more
lol cry more
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>>96230960 (OP)
>they hate it overwhelmingly
I fucking love it, because it means the Emperor created the Grey Knights with the capability to overcome the Custosen, Sisters of Silence, Mechanicus, Imperial Fists, Imperial Navy, the Titan Legions, any anyone else that might get between them and Emps should He get up off His chair. It even means He had to account for the possibility they could neat to defeat Him in personal combat to pull it off. As a GK player, it makes me all warm and fuzzy knowing that they're now officially the strongest faction in the Imperium, by a considerable margin. Oh the rage, the salt, it's delicious, please keep getting mad.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:35:07 AM No.96232576
>>96232570
Noticed you ignored them getting clowned on by heresy era dark angels.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:36:43 AM No.96232580
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>>96232553
>The Custodes and Sisters of Silence held back a literal endless warp invasion.
Could have done better.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:36:54 AM No.96232582
>>96232553
The AVERAGE deployment of Grey Knights to a full scale, planet threatening demonic incursion with greater demons being deployed is FIVE OF THEM you fucking moron.

You retarded shit head. They fight entire armies in tiny bands all the fucking time you stupid fuck.This is "I've never read a Grey knights codex once in my life" levels of stupid.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:37:56 AM No.96232587
>>96232553
>The Custodes and Sisters of Silence held back a literal endless warp invasion.
No, they were fucking losing, only the emperor saved the.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:38:07 AM No.96232590
>>96232580
You know if the Emperor was just Nagash the setting would have been won by now.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:40:35 AM No.96232598
>>96232575
They always were you dumb fuck and you acting like this is some news to you outs yourself as not a GK player.

>>96232570
A Single custodies got merked by a genestealer cultist with a buzzsaw, not even a formal genestealer. At least a grey knight died the Logan fucking Grimnar and not a literal who among whos.

Its warhammer, every faction can kill every other faction because that justifies the fucking game.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:40:35 AM No.96232599
>>96232576
Space Wolves. Harlequins. Mad?
How about holding off endless chaos invasion? Six Custodes turning back a swarmlord hive fleet?
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:43:15 AM No.96232605
>>96232599
>Six Custodes turning back a swarmlord hive fleet?
They literally fought a million gaunts, 5 terminators on ultramar already did that.

A single Normemissary killed three fucking custodies. Just one Normemissary.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:43:23 AM No.96232606
>>96232598
>Its warhammer, every faction can kill every other faction because that justifies the fucking game.
This is mostly just comic superhero power scaling retardation. Oh Grey Knights are shit because they lost to Wolves, but also a single Grey Knight can defeat a daemon primarch so clearly the Space Wolves are stronger than all daemon primarchs. There is literally zero consistency in the setting.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:43:42 AM No.96232609
>>96232587
> No, they were fucking losing

They held it back for days. They kept fighting until their literal bodies gave out. They are literally the genetic peak of the space marines (aside from the Primarchs), and they held off an entire chaos invasion until their bodies gave out. Grey Knights are just normal Space Marines. Custodes no-diff easy.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:44:35 AM No.96232612
>>96232599
>Six Custodes turning back a swarmlord hive fleet?
Not really a feat considering 10 space marines once saved three different planets from tyranids while also fighting off an ork invasion.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:46:27 AM No.96232622
>>96232609
>They kept fighting until their literal bodies gave out.
Draigo has been fighting in the daemons home field for centuries and hasn't shown signs of stopping, meanwhile custodes got tired after a few days.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:46:31 AM No.96232623
>>96232598
>They always were you dumb fuck and you acting like this is some news to you outs yourself as not a GK player.
Have you never spoken to an IG player in your entire life? Mechaicus players are almost as bad.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:47:17 AM No.96232624
>>96232609
And they were STILL losing because HEY, warp enemies are consistently shown to be one of their weaker matchups.

I wonder why Malcador trusted the ultimate final creations he and the emperor made, specifically designed to fight demons, with a task that would certainly involve having to fight demons and warp entities to accomplish it?

Even in the lore, the Custodies second guess their superiority when the consider the existence of Grey Knights retard.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:49:48 AM No.96232635
>>96232609
Wrong. Custodes were creates to be great at everything, including fighting. But they're warriors, not soldiers. Astartes can survive in places that would kill a Custodes, they can go weeks without sleep by resting half their brain at a time, they can breathe water and eat brain matter to learn about their enemies. Custodes are bigger, stronger, faster, but war isn't a fucking duel. Even Erebus saw the flaw in Custodes combat, that they can't fight as a team. Are you dumber than Erebus, anon?
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:50:20 AM No.96232639
>>96232609
>Grey Knights are just normal Space Marines. Custodes no-diff easy.

Every single Grey Knight is fully trained librarian, we already saw what happens when Custodies fight mass psychers at prospero, they were getting fucked over entirely and bascially only the sisters of silence and Russ himself could really push forward.

And the Prospero sorcerers were unrefined, Grey Knights have their potential fully refined.
Replies: >>96232659 >>96232729
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:52:10 AM No.96232648
>>96232622
So Draigo is better than the average Grey Knight, while every Custodes is leaps and bounds better than a standard Grey Knight. Got it.

>>96232612
Six Custodes killed the Swarmlord and slaughtered literal millions of nids. The 10 marines did nothing even close to that.
Replies: >>96232664 >>96232671 >>96232685
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:52:22 AM No.96232649
>>96230960 (OP)
The theory that it's just a ploy to sacrifice all of the GKs at once to give Big E one last shot of super psychic energy right before he revives himself makes a bit more sense to me
Replies: >>96232701 >>96232718
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:54:31 AM No.96232659
>>96232639
Grey Knights also earned their immunity to corruption by fighting off possession during their indoctrination process, Custodes had theirs just handed to them, until they actually take the field they're not tested against Chaos, they just go in raw, like a half drunk teenager on prom night, GKs know to wear their proverbial raincoat.
Replies: >>96232676
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:55:32 AM No.96232664
>>96232648
>while every Custodes is leaps and bounds better than a standard Grey Knight
Nope, not when you account for their psyker powers.
Replies: >>96232749
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:55:54 AM No.96232671
>>96232648
>The 10 marines did nothing even close to that.
True, Swarmlord has been killed by solo marines before. Meanwhile the custodes needed six guys.
Replies: >>96232742
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:56:53 AM No.96232676
>>96232659
We literally have Custodies get corrupted and try to kill the emperor in the End and the Death.
Replies: >>96232694
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:58:15 AM No.96232685
>>96232648
A lone carnifex has killed 2 of them before.

Captain Titus of the Ultramarines canonically kills three carnifexes at least in the events of Space Marine 2 alone.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:59:45 AM No.96232694
>>96232676
Neat, haven't read that one yet.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:01:12 AM No.96232701
>>96232649
They're Space Marines, why would Emps need a ploy? He could just order them to sacrifice themselves, and they'd do it.
Replies: >>96232740
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:04:06 AM No.96232718
>>96232649
>Hey, if the throne malfunctions, demons come out and kill everyone and my custodies are already shown to not be good enough to stop them.
>If only there was a dedicated demon hunting force that could go in and actually do their one fucking job

Your a retard, probably a custode fag as well.
Replies: >>96232726 >>96232740
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:05:40 AM No.96232726
>>96232718
Just showing the Decree to Valdor could easily be enough to get a large portion of the Custodes to stand down, since it's a personal order from the Emperor.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:06:24 AM No.96232729
>>96232639
What a stupid comparison. The psykers on Prospero are superior to any Grey Knight librarian (They were also juiced up from the warp, so obviously the Custodes are gonna struggle against super chaos juiced psykers). The Thousand Suns would simply wipe the floor with the grey knights.

Not only do the Custodes have remakable martial prowess (over 10,000 years of it, in fact, longer than any Grey Knight), but the Custodes and the Sisters of Silence would be fighting together. Not to mention SoB, Imperial Fists, Minotaurs, Arbites, Lucifer Blacks, etc. would be on the Custodes side. Not to mention Fenris is not far away. There would also be the question of who the Big E was supporting if he was walking around freely. He'd likely oppose the Grey Knights and it would just be GG before it would even start.
Replies: >>96232753 >>96232762 >>96235356
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:08:48 AM No.96232740
>>96232701
That wouldn't be as cool or something. Also I said a bit more sense, it's still pretty dumb.

>>96232718
I don't have any investment in either army, and worrying about power scaling bullshit is a waste of time.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:09:19 AM No.96232742
>>96232671
And yet, the Custodes are canonically the Emperor's strongest fighting force. Funny how that works, eh?
Replies: >>96232767
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:10:58 AM No.96232749
>>96232664
Nope. Custodes are naturally resistant to psykers, actually.

Little excerpt:

>Aegis of the Emperor

>The cellular alchemy that creates the warriors of the Adeptus Custodes leaves them forever touched by a spark of the Emperor’s own greatness. Beyond their martial might and incorruptible nobility, this energy manifests itself as an almost supernatural warding, as though the Custodians were protected by the hand of the Emperor. Bullets and bolts are turned aside at the last moment, blades fail to strike home, and even the psychic powers of the foe can suddenly and inexplicably flicker away to nothing in the face of the Ten Thousand.
Replies: >>96232784 >>96235706
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:13:32 AM No.96232753
>>96232729
>The psykers on Prospero are superior to any Grey Knight librarian
>"I didnt read the fucking book"

They werent the rubric of Ahriman handnt been cast yet retard.
Replies: >>96232761
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:15:23 AM No.96232761
>>96232753
The Thousand Sons at any point are stronger psykers than any Grey Knight. What point are you trying to make. lmao
Replies: >>96232789
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:15:27 AM No.96232762
>>96232729
>Not only do the Custodes have remakable martial prowess (over 10,000 years of it, in fact, longer than any Grey Knight), but the Custodes and the Sisters of Silence would be fighting together.

And they would all be dying to the endless hordes of demons before the Grey Knights even were done getting their shit ready.

Again, failing to read the fucking prompt.

No fleet is reaching terra while the astronomicon is out. Again, fucking knowing nothing about the situation.
Replies: >>96232773
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:16:35 AM No.96232767
>>96232742
No they aren't, canonically, they SUCK as a formal army and this is CONSTANTLY remarked upon you stupid moron.
Replies: >>96232777
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:17:59 AM No.96232773
>>96232762
> And they would all be dying to the endless hordes of demons

Retard headcanon assumption to try and win an online argument. > Read the prompt
lmao

Even then, they held back a literal endless warp invasion before and won.
Replies: >>96232783
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:19:21 AM No.96232777
>>96232767
Nope, they are constantly referred to again and again in the novels, codexes and so on as mankinds premiere fighting force. I'm going to need your citations stating otherwise.
Replies: >>96232791
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:20:18 AM No.96232783
>>96232773
>Even then, they held back a literal endless warp invasion before and won.

They fucking lost you stupid fucking moron, Malcador had to die to hold the door they FAILED to defend closed, you fucking moron, and then the emperor had to be placed there because the custodies couldnt defend it, you fucking moron.
Replies: >>96232786 >>96233860
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:20:27 AM No.96232784
>>96232749
>Custodes are naturally resistant to psykers
Then why do they get their shit pushed in by psykers and Warp enemies without the Sisters?
Replies: >>96232793 >>96235706
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:21:22 AM No.96232786
>>96232783
Nope, they did their job and won the war. Not sure what else to tell ya.
Replies: >>96232799 >>96232810
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:21:28 AM No.96232789
>>96232761
>The Thousand Sons at any point are stronger psykers than any Grey Knight.
This is just getting pathetic.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:21:32 AM No.96232790
Ok /tg/, what should be the decree to be true to the lore and spirit of wk40?
Replies: >>96232794
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:21:44 AM No.96232791
>>96232777
>"I didnt read a single custodies codex nor the horus heresy series"
retard
Replies: >>96232806
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:22:33 AM No.96232793
>>96232784
Bad writers?
How else do you think the Grey Knights get the treatment they do?
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:22:55 AM No.96232794
>>96232790
Well the Decree says the Knights are the single strongest faction in 40k, so I'd say it's already true to the lore and spirit, there's just a bunch of retards who don't want to admit it.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:23:02 AM No.96232796
>>96230960 (OP)
I never asked for new lore. I was very much content with 40k staying in narrative stasis and being roughly outlined backdrop for minor /ourguys/ conflicts within it. I never asked for primarines, primarchs being brought back to life, and other such garbage.
Then again, I don't care that much since I dropped 40k with 3ed and every such change vindicates my decision.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:23:14 AM No.96232799
>>96232786
No, the emperor won the war you retard and if the custodies were tasked to do it again they would lose, cope you fucking monkey, GW LITERALLY showed them fail
Replies: >>96232814
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:24:41 AM No.96232806
>>96232791

I need a sentence that can be referenced that specifically says "So and so in the imperium are actually the number 1 fighting force in the imperium".

I'll wait for those citations. lmao
Replies: >>96232819
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:25:16 AM No.96232810
>>96232786
The Grey Knights literally were made because Malcador and the Emperor both knew that the Custodes were insufficient for the task at hand...
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:25:52 AM No.96232814
>>96232799
They didn't fail, they heorically bought time for the Big E to do what he needed to do, thus mankind won the war. You're such a stupid fucking ape. lmao
Replies: >>96232834
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:26:28 AM No.96232819
>>96232806
Read their own fucking codex
Replies: >>96232828
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:27:17 AM No.96232828
>>96232819
I have. It says they're the best. Are you fucking illiterate, mentally handicapped, or both?
Replies: >>96232834
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:28:52 AM No.96232834
>>96232814
Thanks for the concession moron

>>96232828
You didnt read the codex, the whole "while individually they are strong, they aren't good as a proper military force" have be canon lore since they were brought back in HH 1.0. Thanks for proving your stupidity.
Replies: >>96232840
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:30:55 AM No.96232840
>>96232834
> Thanks for the concession moron
The custodes won the fucking war and only a retarded nigger like yourself would argue otherwise. Cry more that your gary stu space marine chapter would get creamed by even a group of 100 custodes.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:33:59 AM No.96232849
Personally, it doesn't bother me because Grey Knights always had bad lore.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:44:31 AM No.96232874
I was going to shit on >>96232180 for overreacting, then I actually read >>96232044
Yeah, go fuck yourself >>96232044. Your taste is shit and belongs on an even more shit site than this one.
Replies: >>96233816
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:28:43 AM No.96233006
>>96232487
>Even they won't survive that.
If Draigo can survive being grimdark Samurai Jack trapped in the warp and being so hard to kill that most daemons have genuinely stopped trying and stay out of his way then I imagine the entire Grey Knights chapter can probably push through whatever daemonic shitshow is happening and reach Terra.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:45:19 AM No.96233250
>>96230960 (OP)
I mean I just don't see how this is supposed to work. If the Emperor rises from his throne, how are one thousand Grey Knights supposed to assault Terra - battling their way past ten thousand highly-motivated Custodians, countless human soldiers, multiple fleets, and the Warhound titans at the gate - to reach an awakened psychic demigod and force him back onto the Golden Throne?
Horus couldn't manage it. Six Legions couldn't manage it. Now a thousand dudes are supposed to manage it?
More, if the Emperor is reincarnated and the universe isn't exploding, why are they trying to re-entomb him back on the throne? Conversely, if an infinite number of daemons are pouring out of the Webway, why would you want to start another civil war right there?
Replies: >>96233349
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:55:00 AM No.96233282
>>96231140
Wait the throne isn't failing anymore?
Replies: >>96233331
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:55:18 AM No.96233285
>>96231350
Sneedperor
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:06:38 AM No.96233331
>>96233282
Last I heard. Though some speculate it might have just been a temporary fix. Bottom line, don't worry about it, my guy.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:09:40 AM No.96233349
>>96233250
>Conversely, if an infinite number of daemons are pouring out of the Webway, why would you want to start another civil war right there?
Because forcing the Emperor back onto his chair will stop the infinite number of daemons pouring out of the webway, obviously.
Replies: >>96233523
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:06:41 PM No.96233507
>>96230960 (OP)
Its not cool, its dumb and removes another element of mysticism from the universe. Considering its canon that vulcan has rigged the golden throne to blow if the emperor ever gets up, where are they going to return him to?
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:13:48 PM No.96233521
>>96231086
It will also ruin the space marine lore and feel if they ever do it. Space marines are a fraternity of warrior monks essentially and the whole "thin red line" of brothers against a universe of horrors is what makes them so appealing to fans. It appeals to the male brain in a way that women just dont get.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:14:17 PM No.96233523
>>96233349
Or it's not exactly HIM getting off it to begin with, of course. In which case where else would you want the GK to be?
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:20:48 PM No.96233540
>>96232044
You have honestly the most boring and pedestrian take on the setting. People like you should be thrown off cliffs. If you want space liberalism, Star Trek is right over there.
Replies: >>96233816
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:28:39 PM No.96233564
>2025
>gw fluff is the worst it's ever been
>more and more shit keeps getting shoved onto the pile
>retards are still getting mad over power level wank
>when whoever is the strongest depends solely on whose POV the codex/novel is written from
>when tabletop balance is a shitshow and both gold and silver marines can get rekt by blue or spikey marines or literally anything else
Replies: >>96233656
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:48:59 PM No.96233615
>>96230960 (OP)
>Do warhammer fans like anything?

No. They exist o hate it and ignore all alternatives
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 1:01:44 PM No.96233656
>>96233564
It's not a power level wank, it's a salt mine, and we hit the mother load with this one.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 1:30:12 PM No.96233743
1753523530622706
1753523530622706
md5: 9dc134611c4c37dffd86ef4dbd9b2747🔍
>>96230960 (OP)
1.) No one likes Fag Cucks
2.) They could never beat the Custodes, let alone the Emperor himself. They job to Space Yiffs, and the Yiffs are retards and mutants.
Replies: >>96235180
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 1:54:32 PM No.96233816
>>96232180
>>96232874
>>96233540
Why should anyone care about a what a bunch of faggots think is shit and pedestrian as they cling to a game and IP that is being made ever more shit and pedestrian by its owners?
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:08:03 PM No.96233845
>>96232598
>>96232605
The bottom line is, either the Worf effect, or the joke is that the Custodes in the actual 40k lore are a propaganda army.
A paper tiger that can only actually win when they're attacking unprepared former allies. And even then only because they can bring a bigger army with them.
Replies: >>96234075
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:12:35 PM No.96233860
>>96232783
Malcador used his demonstrated memory editing powers to fake his death.
The body turning to ash infront of many witnesses is a great excuse for why there isn't one.
He's behind the scenes, shitting up everything.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:21:21 PM No.96233883
>>96232506
I'd trust the ork more. At keast Blood Axes and Freebooterz can sort of be reasoned with
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:22:06 PM No.96233885
20250720_230359
20250720_230359
md5: 8ea79713857558cc71ef494e072e79d2🔍
>>96232051
>Terminus Decree is something more heretic than what Horus did

tiresome
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:37:06 PM No.96233940
I thought that thing was locked away for unspecified bad times?
What if there were bad times and they open it only to see instructions for a completely different situation?
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:47:33 PM No.96233977
>>96232599
Reminder that in the nu lore dark angels have assaulted the palace and cypher didn't reach the throne just because reasons.

As personal opinion custodes have always been lame on all fronts, now even more with femstodes.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 3:12:54 PM No.96234065
IMG_20250802_063814_913
IMG_20250802_063814_913
md5: df039fa97e67687a6dd1888df06d1ae3🔍
>>96230960 (OP)
>hey right winger! the femstodes will wipe out your grey chudknights
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 3:15:08 PM No.96234075
>>96233845
Remember a whole fleet of custodes got wiped out by BTchuds too. They're nit even the best team killers
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 4:23:43 PM No.96234281
>>96230960 (OP)
the reason people don't like it is because it's retarded as shit
>"if I ever get up from this throne, put me back onto it"
>"how?"
>"lol I dunno"
the virus the bio-dude made during the HH would have made way more sense.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 4:26:13 PM No.96234290
>>96231038
the issue isn't even tweaking the formula, it just wouldn't make any sense to begin with.
he wants the peak of human fighting potential, and then he shoves gene-seed into it to make them grow even further beyond.
women are simply nowhere near the peak fighting potential. it would make absolutely no sense to start from a worse base material and then invest the shitload of resources a space marine requires into it, just to end with an underperforming end-product
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 4:27:51 PM No.96234296
>>96232028
their children would probably just be abominations fucked up by all the hormones in the womb.
it's not like their DNA is edited to grow all these extra organs on their own, all that stuff is just implanted. their children wouldn't have them, even under the assumption that fem space marines wouldn't be sterile to begin with.
Replies: >>96235123 >>96235465
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 4:29:11 PM No.96234300
>>96232462
emps could have simply told the custodes to make sure he's not getting off the throne, and to ask the grey knights for assistance in case any warp shit spawns
Replies: >>96235499
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:05:02 PM No.96235123
>>96234296
You're still creating bloodlines that are "better" than human. Unless those kids cannot take the implants at all, the temptation to only marine up marine bloodline kids would directly line up with the temptation to usurp humanity and put space marine bloodlines in charge.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:11:50 PM No.96235180
>>96233743
>get raped by harlequins
>get raped by unarmored world eater
>get raped by cypher
not looking good for copestodes fans
Replies: >>96235547
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:41:03 PM No.96235356
>>96232729
>t. is unaware that the Grey Knights are actually loyalist Thousand Sons
kek, people idiotically wanking TkS over Grey Knights will never not be hilarious
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:44:46 PM No.96235383
>>96231257
>because the Emperor personally raised them in an actual loving way.
That never happened. The reason they're more resistant to Chaos is because he took away their free will. Custodes are literally incapable of defying the Emperor's orders or what they perceive to be his orders. They talk a big game about how huge their brains are, how intellectually prodigious they all are, as philosophers and scientists, blah blah... but at the core of it all, they are fundamentally incapable of defying him. They can go as far as the Blood Games and bring their weapon to an inch of the Emperor's flesh, and still they can't push it the last inch to actually harm him.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:58:08 PM No.96235465
>>96234296
>it's not like their DNA is edited to grow all these extra organs on their own, all that stuff is just implanted.
The 19 organs generated from a progenoid gland and implanted into an Astartes neophyte alter the genetics and physiology of the entire individual bit by bit. An Astartes is not just 19 special organs in a normal human, these organs rewrite their DNA and cause them to grow bigger, turns their bones into steel, expands the ribcage into a ribwall, expands other organs and alters their functions, increases muscle density to superhuman levels, etc. etc.
By the time the marine has all his implants, he is genetically congruent with said implants. They're a hackjob way of doing gene edits on a person quickly but crudely, one of many of the juryrigged solutions the Emperor came up with. It just so happens this jury-rigged solution worked in multiple ways, as the Emperor wanted Astartes to be difficult and time-consuming to create, as it would prevent them from simply replacing normal humanity and make their eventual purge from existence much easier to pull off.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:03:28 PM No.96235499
>>96234300
The Custodes can never be made to disobey the Emperor's orders. He can wake up, countermand his previous orders, and they'll instantly obey. It is built into their very souls. It is this same reason why the Emperor created the Primarchs to lead the Astartes legions, because the Custodes lack that quintessential spark of free will that allows for truly great leaders to be born.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:12:07 PM No.96235547
>>96235180
The Cypher one is extra hilarious since he pulled off a prison break in their prison within the span of a paragraph.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:36:12 PM No.96235706
>>96232749
>>96232784
He is talking out of his ass.
A Dark Angel psyker froze a custodes in place allowing his battle brothrs to finish him.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:27:51 PM No.96235999
>>96230960 (OP)
>40k gets a piece of lore that needlessly pulls back the curtain of mystery that allows for 'your dudes' worldbuilding
>This is anathema to the setting historically
>Surprised when the hobbiests don't like it
Replies: >>96236149
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:37:19 PM No.96236040
>>96232487
>I'm pretty sure if the throne stops it isn't going to be hordes of daemons it's going to be a second eye of terror
I can and can't see this.

I thought it was just an illegal webway connection that never set the "Don't connect daemonland" setting to Off, and the eye of terror was single minded psyker worship, not a faulty webway portal.
Buuut the eye of terror did turn into galaxy-spanning warp fuckery because one or more planets had their necron computer chips dismantled. So it's not like the setting has any rules.
Replies: >>96236213
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:03:44 PM No.96236149
>>96235999
>Grey Knights
>'Your dudes'
Replies: >>96237248
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:16:05 PM No.96236213
>>96236040
>I thought it was just an illegal webway connection that never set the "Don't connect daemonland" setting to Off, and the eye of terror was single minded psyker worship, not a faulty webway portal.
Magnus smashed through the walls of the Webway through sheer brute force to try to get a message to the Emperor. The Warp spilled out into the part of the Webway that the Emperor had only just begun to colonize, forming a micro Eye of Terror that was only barely contained behind Terra's Webway gate by using the Golden Throne as a giant fuck-off psychic bulkhead. Because Magnus Ruined Everything™ at the key moment while the Emperor was doing the most dangerous, risky part of the process of expanding the Webway corridors leading to Terra, it was like ripping a giant hole in reality itself, turning all these half-formed conduits into literal funnels of Chaos itself.
It is contained as a micro storm behind the Webway Gate, but if the Golden Throne ever fails, the storm will break loose and expand endlessly until it consumes the very core of the Imperium, half a million worlds gone in an instant.
Replies: >>96236288
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:18:46 PM No.96236226
ff
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md5: 89d3d68eccb17c26b0dfd0ac2410b14f🔍
>>96230960 (OP)
>Imperium "fans" get first cool new lore in years
where
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:25:14 PM No.96236268
um excuse me
um excuse me
md5: 584269393eb0ee1d332a220da69716b0🔍
>so Emperor wrote down DO NOT REVIVE on a piece of paper nobody but you can read, and nobody has any certain record of, not even you, and he didn't tell to anybody else not even his personal bodyguard?
>and He wanted you to just...walk into Terra and stab him to death?
>you know, there's this dude called the Changeling...
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:27:35 PM No.96236288
>>96236213
> Because Magnus Ruined Everything™ at the key moment while the Emperor was doing the most dangerous, risky part of the process of expanding the Webway corridors leading to Terra
This plot point was so fucking stupid. Gigachad psyker astropath couldn’t explain to his psyker son why he shouldn’t use his powers to contact him. HH is such a mess
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:38:19 PM No.96236353
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>terminus decree
>only use this when there's no hope for the imperium
>Tyrannids sweep through segmentum solar
>make landfall in Holy Terra
>Imperial Palace is on the verge of falling
>suddenly, at the last minute, the entire Grey Knight chapter shows up with Kaldor Drago at its head!
>they immediately rush into action and...
>...break into the throne room to make sure the Emperor is still sitting there
>leave

it makes sense to have a contingency to prevent the Emperor from going rogue or insane by trying to leave the Golden Throne and collapse the Imperium
but the very specific directions of the terminus decree just doesnt mesh with the idea that it is to be used in the 'darkest hour' of the Imperium, there are so many potential threats and potential scenarios for the 'darkest hour' where checking to make sure Big E is on the throne is a waste of time, and other scenarios where Big E getting off the throne is actually a good idea

it just seems too narrow and specific
and thats WITHOUT getting into the fact that between their extremely limited numbers and extremely limited political power (cuz of muh secrecy) they Grey Knights would stand no chance of even being in a position to enforce their decree, without getting into how the fuck they'd put a resurrected/reincarnated/ascended Emperor back in his chair.

fuck it, break out the sisters of battle, we're gonna need more blood
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:38:42 PM No.96236355
>>96236288
>Gigachad psyker astropath couldn’t explain to his psyker son why he shouldn’t use his powers to contact him.
The Emperor would have needed to explain what Chaos was for any explanation to Magnus to make sense. Unfortunately he didn't create the Primarchs intending for them to be immune or resistant to Chaos corruption, so the mere knowledge that Chaos exists is already too dangerous and would immediately corrupt half the Primarchs. Why? Who knows.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:45:23 PM No.96236394
>>96236355
He could had just said
>if you contact me terra is going to explode
And I guarantee that he wouldn’t had done it.
> Unfortunately he didn't create the Primarchs intending for them to be immune or resistant to Chaos corruption, so the mere knowledge that Chaos exists is already too dangerous and would immediately corrupt half the Primarchs
I guess. Horus himself was fairly resistant to it until they fucking killed him and resurrected his corpse as a chaos undead. Magnus, despiste outwardly being the most vulnerable to it, on became traitor after he was pretty much forced to desert. And I’m pretty sure the only reason Leman Russ didn’t fall to Khorne corruption is because learned about chaos.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:47:14 PM No.96236408
>>96236355
There's an answer of why he never told them: He was an arrogant cunt, and Magnus(hypocritically funny enough) calls him on this.
>E:"I told you shouldn't mess with the Warp"
>M:"How was I supposed to know when you barely told me anything except vagueries?"
>E:"Well, uh, yeah that's... true... but still this is your fault."
>M:"Oh go fuck yourself. Rules for Thee but not for me?"
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:48:22 PM No.96236416
>>96230960 (OP)
They aren't warhammer fans they're fans of complaining about warhammer. You could replace warhammer with any semi-popular cultural icon and they'd act exactly the same. Culture warriors on both sides are a cancer.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:50:37 PM No.96236431
>>96232494
Don’t they outright say that Draigo is “almost as strong as Valdor” in the same book he fights Mortarion?
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:50:54 PM No.96236434
>>96236408
>>M:"Oh go fuck yourself. Rules for [BIG RED CHUDDY WHO WAS BUILT IN A TUBE 100 YEARS AGO] but not for [DEMIGOD IMMORTAL WITH 30,000 YEARS OF WARP EXPERIENCE]?"
yeah
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:52:13 PM No.96236441
>>96236355
>Unfortunately he didn't create the Primarchs intending for them to be immune or resistant to Chaos corruption, so the mere knowledge that Chaos exists is already too dangerous and would immediately corrupt half the Primarchs. Why? Who knows
I am somewhat partial to the (objectively shit, but kind of thematically fitting to how Imperium's often written as doing horrible things by necessity, not because of evulz) theory that he had relived the Heresy period so, so, so many times using psychic fuckery, that the current path is simply the most optimal. He's just so discontent with the optimal path being fairly horrible, that he does the bare minimum to make sure things happen right. He could make the Primarchs Warp-resistant, but that, perhaps, leads to them eventually deciding they don't feel like stepping aside for humanity to live, and they end up tyrants and satraps, waging endless war between their kingdoms of mankind until tyrannids show up and kill everybody. So, no warp resistance.
Or, for instance, he could play out a more complex and detailed path for Magnus to fall, because Magnus must fall, but he hates the fact that it is so; he likes Magnus, Magnus is the closest to him in many ways. So, he simply does the requisite steps without any obvious logic or spirit to them, and is as obviously and offensively weird about it as can be.
It's all a sad necessity, fate requires it, but that doesn't mean that he has to respect it or put serious effort into it.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:53:02 PM No.96236444
>>96236416
funny how the 'fans of complaining' are never around when GW drops genuinely good content
its almost like the 'fans of complaining' only show up when GW publishes mediocre stuff or engages in bad business practices

we must investigate this mystery...
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:53:10 PM No.96236446
>>96232576
Heresy era space marines are stronger than both custodes and grey knights. They’re pretty much all chaos sorcerers, or are getting buffed by a particularly powerful sorcerer-marine.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:00:14 PM No.96236482
>>96236446
honestly most of the time with how Grey Knights perform even against the forces of Chaos, it makes me wonder why they even exist
whats the point in having such comically strict recruiting and training standards, specialist equipment and armament, elite training, and psychic might, if most of the time you're just a speed bump?

only the elites of the chapter can really perform well on the battlefield, but thats the same for ANY chapter
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:01:38 PM No.96236490
>>96236394
The Emperor had even put up psychic wards around the Webway he was working on, and those wards were the biggest red flag Magnus had ever seen that he should NOT continue. Magnus was just so convinced that only he could save the Imperium that he ignored them and forced his way through anyways.
>Horus himself was fairly resistant to it until they fucking killed him and resurrected his corpse as a chaos undead.
He was only made gravely ill, temporarily. What flipped Horus was seeing the future and realizing he would not be honored as a hero by humanity despite all his achievements. Ironically, it was his turn to Chaos that ensured all memory of him would be wiped from the Imperium.
>Magnus, despiste outwardly being the most vulnerable to it, on became traitor after he was pretty much forced to desert.
After he smashed through the Webway barriers, the Emperor punched Magnus's psychic manifestation so hard that Magnus's soul literally shattered into a thousand pieces. Magnus gradually pieced himself back together by finding his soulshards throughout the Warp, but was unable to find all of his pieces. The last shard, which was his loyalty to the Emperor, found its way back to the Emperor and was given to Malcador to transform an Astartes into the first Grey Knights grandmaster so that Magnus, or a tiny part of him, could fulfill his duty to fight Chaos. The Grey Knights are essentially the Emperor's apology gift to Magnus, giving him the legion of heroes that Magnus wanted to have all along. And the GK are probably made from Magnus's gene-seed too lmao
>And I’m pretty sure the only reason Leman Russ didn’t fall to Khorne corruption is because learned about chaos.
The Emperor and Malcador both did not want to take that risk if they could avoid it, since they hadn't designed the Primarchs to have the mental fortitude to withstand such knowledge. If the Primarchs were resistant, it was because of their upbringing, not their genetic gifts.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:12:04 PM No.96236539
>>96236434
The thing is that this is something many primarchs have against the Emperor. Even the loyalists.
Guilliman literally thinks about how the Emperor kept them in the dark abiut the biggest threat to Mankind and Jaghatai points out how he is insistent on stamping up the truth that the Warp isn't just a metaphysical sea.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:16:49 PM No.96236566
>>96236539
maybe if he got the chance to raise each of them personally and manage their upbringing, things would have been different, but the people he were dealing with were fully formed adults with their own different views, opinions, biases, intuitions, and history.
I think he was playing it safe until getting the webway up and running
and if it werent for Erebus, it would have worked, too
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:19:36 PM No.96236589
>>96236408
The Emperor wasn't mad at Magnus for screwing around with the Warp. If he actually cared about that, he would have personally intervened and forced Magnus to stop studying the Warp rather than leaving it to democratic committee of all things. The Council of Nikaea was always a sham, something done purely to shut up that annoying little hypocritical shit Mortarion. Half the Legions just flat out ignored it and kept their psychic marines, as they should have.
No, the Emperor was mad at Magnus because he had ignored all the warning signs and big red flags telling him
>DO NOT SCREW WITH THESE PSYCHIC WARDS. THEY ARE IMPORTANT. THEY ARE HERE FOR GOOD REASON.
The Emperor was so furious when Magnus broke those wards that he very nearly killed him in a single instant of psychic backlash. Like the hand of god bitch-slapping Magnus into literal pieces. It was the stupidest thing Magnus could ever have done and the only reason he did so was because he was too proud to just talk to Malcador, or the Adeptus Astra Telepathica, or anyone else on Terra who could have then strolled down in person to chat with the Emperor about the whole Horus problem. A problem that the Emperor was already aware of because word of the betrayal had already reached Terra years ago, literally years ago.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:35:07 PM No.96236717
>>96236589
>Half the Legions just flat out ignored it and kept their psychic marines, as they should have.
That's a lie, everyone except one or two disobeyed. It wasn't until the heresy where half of the Legions became eager to use this or were forced too
>DO NOT SCREW WITH THESE PSYCHIC WARDS. THEY ARE IMPORTANT. THEY ARE HERE FOR GOOD REASON.
That all he said but never elaborated and that's why Jaghatai butted heads with him. Because Jaghatai knew the Emperor was a liar, and only conceeded that the Emperor hated the lie. But he still made it clear the Imperium used the Warp for many things and pretending nothing is there is a mistake.
>A problem that the Emperor was already aware of because word of the betrayal had already reached Terra years ago, literally years ago.
That's not true, because otherwise he wouldn't tell Horus to Send Russ to CAPTURE Magnus(which Horus twisted). Horus' betrayal was known during the events of Istvaan III.
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Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:39:05 PM No.96236757
>>96236717
Also words of betrayal never reached years ago. The Burning of Prospero literally happens around the time Istvaan III Atrocity, which lasted around 50 days.
How can the Emperor hear word of betrayal from years ago when the news of that betrayal happend around the same tine as the Burning of Prospero?
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 1:04:08 AM No.96237248
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>>96236149
People DO rely on old lore that Grey Knights used to have distinct chapters. Which, by the way, is another thing that got filed down along with every other retarded poor lore decision that Games Workshop has been doing, so I don't really understand your point here anon.
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 1:47:14 AM No.96237435
>>96232498
Shut the fuck up you stupid faggot no clearly not clearly its some dumb fuck GW writer inventing an fucking atrocious answer to a question that didn't ever need answering
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 2:13:31 AM No.96237592
>>96236589
>A problem that the Emperor was already aware of because word of the betrayal had already reached Terra years ago, literally years ago.

Burning of Prospero was in 31,004 when Horus had already been corrupted but was still gathering his forces and hadn't declared open rebellion (hence him using his position as warmaster to interfere with the Emperor's order for Russ to capture Magnus, instead telling him to kill him). The Istvaan III atrocity was the next year in 31,005.