Thread 96230960

>Imperium "fans" get first cool new lore in years
>they hate it overwhelmingly
Do warhammer fans like anything? Is it just a perpetual misery circle jerk

>>96230960 (OP)
>in the grimdarkness of the 41st millennium their is only lore
Im not one of the oldfags who thinks this is the worst GW lore blotch they've given us recently because that still goes to retcon'd femstodes (yes its because i hate women you are very clever for pointing that out and my argument is invalid i guess)
but the terminus Decree should have remained mysterious or at least been revealed in something bigger than a codex
maybe a book or something where we finally see it read aloud at the end of a long battle where Castellan Crowe decides the darkest hour of the imperium might be upon it and breaks chapter doctrine to use it despite not being grand master
only to see the dark secret and immediately say he needs to speak to Gulliman knowing that the grey knights alone could never do what needed to be done setting up a possible second civil war in the imperium

>>96231002
>femstodes
I kinda want to talk about this. I find this problematic because the Emperor clearly didn't have the time to tweak the Thunder Warrior/Custodes/Space Marine creation formula to accommodate women. It's not like he wouldn't, he just didn't have the time despite the long timespan he had. And this makes sense because to change the entire human biology to achieve what a Space Marine is let alone a Primarch or Custodes took actual thousands of years - and the Space Marine project was basically rushed after the Primarchs were lost (and presumably the Primarchs were the mass-produced version of Custodes, which means the Space Marines are two stages of budget. Terra was entirely Chinese Factory cities at constant war so it's not like he could openly test his creations in vast amounts of hidden wilderness like we have today.

What am I missing here. Is this why it was stupid or did people have other reasons.

>>96230960 (OP)
>Is it just a perpetual misery circle jerk
I ask this about most fandoms on this site

>>96231038
A lot of reasons, both good and dumb, some more personal than others, but a common one is would be "it's clearly just performative and not to improve the lore" since adding women to the process doesn't actually change the space marine corps in any positive meaningful way. They're still a dehumanizing super military that kidnaps and brainwashes the most physically adept humans into something that is essentially inhuman into being super soldiers who have nothing to look forward to beyond endless war, or on the off-chance they turn renegade being perpetually hunted for trying to turn traitor or joining something like Chaos where they trade one master for another.

That and frankly, it's not like the women that go through the space marine gland procedure would look any more different than the men, they'd still look like hypermasculine balding (or bishie in the case of the Blood Angels) freaks of nature, it's just a fe- in front of the male on their pronouns card. So really, doing such a change is equivalent to doing nothing imo. Space Marines will still be space marines, no-girls-allowed or not

>>96231086
i've always looked at it as the gene-seed being the limiting factor, not manpower, so why use it on a physically weaker frame?

>>96231116
That's true. It is all based off the Emprah's genetic framework in the end, so it'd probably be much harder to just switch an xy into an xx like that.

>>96230960 (OP)
Terminus Decree was in 5e Codex: GK. They added a few lines to it, without stating anything concrete, so they can decide later what to do with it. It'll just end up being like back when the Golden Throne was failing, then the Golden Throne was failing and the Dark Eldar were called to help, then the Golden Throne stopped failing and everything returned to pre-failing status, but we get to talk about how the DE helped to fix the throne and were probably up to no good.

>>96231086
I agree that the whole reason was performative.

But I don't agree with the other reasons. The other reasons apply to Space Marines but not exactly the Custodes. I said the Emperor simply didn't have the time but an argument could be made that he did have the time to make female Custodes but didn't with the derivative Primarchs and Space Marines.

Because the Custodes are a group apart - they, unlike the others that came before them, were raised in relative peace and would have had the freedom to be people and individuals before and even after the Heresy. It would actually make sense for the Custodes to entirely retain their humanity given that humanity is necessary to have the flexibility to defend the Golden Throne for as long as they have. Arguably, all the Space Marines before the heresy were far less fascist and fanatical than they are today.

I agree the the physical aspects wouldn't change but I really stick to the notion that the Emperor couldn't adjust the gene seed to work on female biology. The thing is, human flesh is cheap and plentiful - he doesn't need to go through the effort to make it work on women because there is a neverending supply of males even during wartime on Terra.

>>96231157
Yeah, I mainly wanted to address the space marine thing. The femstodes I'm pretty sure was just done because everyone knows they're "higher up" than space marines and giving them a female face would be some kind of dumb symbolic shit or whatever, as if anyone genuinely cared outside of fandom inertia.

>>96231038
>the Thunder Warrior/Custodes/Space Marine creation formula to accommodate women.

The custodes are noted to not have a "formula" or standard process with which they were made. Also the custodes making process doesn't have genetic "washouts" like Space Marines do.

>>96231190
That's the thing, my half-headcanon is that the Custodes are the Emperor's actual children (not like the Sensei old lore) and they are not modified at all in the same way Primarchs and Space Marines are. They are just people, gifted with immense physical endurance and agelessness. It explains why they are so loyal because the Emperor personally raised them in an actual loving way. They don't fall to Chaos because they have an unnatural resilience. And I actually picture all of them being rather scholarly - they have spent the thousands of years reading and learning when not in security rotation. Like the plan to keep the Custodes on Terra could have been the last remnant of human civilization; like Guilliman forced the Imperium into hopeless fascism but the Primarchs agreed the Custodes would hold the last ideas of liberalism until humanity actually deals with Chaos (which obviously isn't working out).

Like I actually think it could be done to make a whole lot of fucking sense to have women among the Custodes but GW just won't put in the fucking effort like I just did.

>>96230960 (OP)
>cool
It's fucking terrible.It doesn't make any sense.How would they even do it?

>>96231285
You could say the samething about any of the imperium's goals lol.

>>96230960 (OP)
>Break it is legs
I fucking hate you.

>>96230960 (OP)
I don't really care either way I just think it's sad another piece of mystery in the setting GW has stripped away. We don't need every single thing laid out for us. Some mystery is fun.

>create a cool question in the lore to ruminate over
cool
>answer it
lame
>it is also a shit answer
borders on irreparable motivation killer

"OP" will never understand this concept

>>96231038
It's because if you have females then they can reproduce. Emps didn't want Space Marines, Custodes, or any of the superhumans replacing humanity, otherwise he would have done so. Jurassic Park understood this.

>>96231038
>Why not women?
Women are bad at most things and especially at war. Even ignoring that (and that's a huge stupid ask) you have the
>Disposable Warriors Thunderwarriors
They were never intended to last long and there is no shortage of men (not to mention men are better at being big and angry).

And then we get
>Disposable Legion Astartes
Who while designed to be longer lasting then the Thunder Warriors were still earmarked for eventual alternatives. There is still no shortage of men and Men are better at Loyalty and Brotherhood so why would you bother.

>Muh Femstodes
Again there is no shortage of men, and men still excel at the things you want out of bodyguards and the last line of defence. There's a Glimmer of arguement for 'Custodes are designed to be the best at everything, all arts and culture AND the last defenders of the Emperor' but even if you look at Culture, men still culturally mog women. I don't think the emperor particularly needs a woman to play 'isn't it ironic' and sing relatively well. Again, no shortage of men who can do all of these things.

>>96230960 (OP)
Can I have a qrd?

It is completely nonsensical to task the Grey Knights with this shit. They'll just fucking eat shit. Imagine actually seriously trying to assert that they could face off against the Custodes (who outnumber them 10 to 1), the Sisters of Silence making their psychic abilities irrelevant, whatever vaults of bullshit Terra has, its fleet and also an Emperor who just got off the Throne. It's the most absurd wank imaginable.

>>96230960 (OP)
"I made you this cake made out of indian shit. why don't you like it? it's a cake, isn't it?"

You remind me of every modern star wars fan. You don't much care for quality, only that something else new is coming, something to fill the feed trough and you don't much care what's in it.

>>96231038
If you have both men and women, then you have a race of super beings that could theoretically reproduce without involving normal humans at all. This is bad if they're supposed to be humanity's greatest weapon and not a replacement race.

>>96231086
Wrong. They're going to be lithe dommy mommies with big breasts, huge asses, and rockin' thighs.

>>96230960 (OP)
>Is it just a perpetual misery circle jerk
Yes. Though, there're those who think that service in support of the worst of all possible tyrranies is based and honorable because it killed every other option for humanity 10k years ago.

I had hoped there was a second Interex type humanity remnant out there, just so there was a possible human sect that followed no false gods.

But, GW seems to be trying to make the Imperium the unironic good guys, so whatever. Setting's dead.

>>96231846
Grey Knights had a thing called the Terminus Decree, which was a narrative mystery box to be opened in the unwritten future as a last resort.
New lore reveals it is actually instructions to put the Emperor back on the Golden Throne if he ever tries to get off it. Which is an odd thing for the Grey Knights to have.

>>96232051
danke

>>96232051
"What an odd thing to write."

>>96232051
What the fuck? I'm not up to date on the hottest and latest lore shit, but I feel like I would have heard about the emperor getting off his throne. Seems like a big deal.

>>96232146
He didn't, the reveal of the terminous decree is about if he does.

... Which kinda doesn't make any fucking sense, as the order was supposed to be opened when things looked their darkest and all hope was lost.

Now, you have to imagine, in some alternate 41k, when the Tyrannids arrive in Sol, a Grey Knight runs to the seal chamber, and finds the decree, opening it to reveal it was an order to put Big E back on his golden training toilet if he ever gets up.

That's how little sense it makes.

>>96232044
>reddit spacing
>reddit opinion
Maybe you just need to go back?

>>96232176
Makes no sense no matter how you look at it.
Most angles in the lore point to the emperor/imperium delaying the inevitable by forcing him to stay on that throne as a major reason why the Imperium is failing to begin with.
Also isn't there a big warp portal behind him that he keeps closed with his magnificent ass cheeks? Once he gets up and Terra gets overrun by demons I don't think plopping him back there fixes anything. Just reinstates the status quo, best case scenario. Yeah I can see why fans are upset.

>>96231134
>why use the inferior body type?
>you're right, to make XY into XX you'd need some kind of superscience
I swear some anons are brick walls.

You know the whole thing is just clearly GW doing their damndest to kill any semblance of star child lore coming back.

>>96232352
Who even came up with the star child? Was it ADB?

>>96232392
>Was it ADB?
Buddy that shit is from Rogue Trader.

>>96232392
That shit is fucking ancient, GW long abandoned it like the sensei.

>>96230960 (OP)
>perpetual misery circle jerk
Just like this nonsensical, stupid ass lore addition then.

>>96231876
>>96231285
>>96231433
>>96232051
> Emperor leaves throne
> The throne spits out endless hordes of demons
>All those Custodes and Sisters die fighting endless demons before the Grey Knights even show up
>GEEEEEE the demon hunting specialists literally designed to wade into fucking hellscapes are tasked with reactivating the thing that closes the door to the warp.


Your all actual morons that havent thought a single thing through.

ALL the defenders on terra you imagine would fight the grey knights are fucking dead.

It is so fucking braindead to not realize exactly why GW gave this job to the Grey Knights.

>>96231038
Making supersoldiers from men is inherently easier than making them from women. So even logistically speaking, making women space marines/custodes doesn't make sense. You're just going to end up with a sterile man anyhow, as all this happens before puberty for a reason.

>>96232462
Or, the Emperor could have just had his Custodes put him back on the throne, who also happen to guard it an a full legion of 10k hang around the palace? Why in the flying fuck would you entrust that duty to an off-world group that are inferior to the Big E's honor guard in every way? Jesus Christ you're fucking retarded.

>>96232462
I'm pretty sure if the throne stops it isn't going to be hordes of daemons it's going to be a second eye of terror that will also swallow the GK's fortress which is over Saturn. Even they won't survive that.

>>96232475
What if the emperor is the one trying to get off the throne dipshit.

>I-inferior

Fucking moron, no Custodies, not even Valdor come EVEN CLOSE to the bullshit Kaldor Draigo has pulled off, and Draigo isnt even the strongest grand master in grey knight history, fuck there are 8 other grand masters besides him, he just got stuck in the warp. What a fucking stupid person you are.

"Whhaaaaaaaa, Warp specialists shouldn't be used to re contain a warp entity because I need to suck Custodies cock Whaaaaa"

>>96232487
Clearly both Malcador and the Emperor thought differently, enough to plan around this.

>>96232498
Considering the state of the Imperium I trust their plans about as much as I trust an ork to not stab a guy.

>>96232475
>Emperor decides to leave the throne
>this is doom for the imperium
>The custodies are stupid loyal to the emperor
>No, we totally will ignore his commands and put him back on the throne

Custodies would be the LAST people Malcador would trust with a command like that. They wouldnt care about the rest of the Imperium.

>>96232494
You don't need to even bring up Draigo, the custodes got bested by literal clowns and a bunch of heresy era dark angels, much less the grey knights.

>>96232517
Custodies lost to a fucking genestealer cultist with construction equipment.

Its so fucking obvious that its just custodies fans butthurt that any faction is implied to be a able to fight, again proving just how terrible the faction is for the game.

>>96231705
>>96232028
Arent space marines just humans with a bunch of supped up augmentations? Like theoretically, if we did have female space marines, if male sm and female sm mate, wouldnt it just be a regular ass human? I get why not for custodes, because they are just straight mutants bio-engineered at the dna level, thus they probably can reproduce if there were femstodes. Does the gene-seed change an astartes so much on the dna structure? Im a bit of a lorelet so i have no idea.

>>96232494
> ...no Custodies, not even Valdor come EVEN CLOSE to the bullshit Kaldor Draigo has pulled off

The Custodes and Sisters of Silence held back a literal endless warp invasion. Six Custodes literally held off an entire hive invasion fleet = Swarmlord. Grey Knights legitimately don't stand a chance. lmao, get real

>>96232546
I believe the idea is more a pirmarch issue, the key explanation for why it doesn't work with women is that the geneseed is derived from the primarchs who are all male thus implying some sort of connection to male DNA specifically. And Big E didn't want female primarchs.

>>96232517
Space Wolves merced the Grey Knights. Harlequins are literally the best military unit in the whole setting. Can we get some serious rebuttals here? lmao

>>96230960 (OP)
>they hate it overwhelmingly
I fucking love it, because it means the Emperor created the Grey Knights with the capability to overcome the Custosen, Sisters of Silence, Mechanicus, Imperial Fists, Imperial Navy, the Titan Legions, any anyone else that might get between them and Emps should He get up off His chair. It even means He had to account for the possibility they could neat to defeat Him in personal combat to pull it off. As a GK player, it makes me all warm and fuzzy knowing that they're now officially the strongest faction in the Imperium, by a considerable margin. Oh the rage, the salt, it's delicious, please keep getting mad.

>>96232570
Noticed you ignored them getting clowned on by heresy era dark angels.

>>96232553
>The Custodes and Sisters of Silence held back a literal endless warp invasion.
Could have done better.

>>96232553
The AVERAGE deployment of Grey Knights to a full scale, planet threatening demonic incursion with greater demons being deployed is FIVE OF THEM you fucking moron.

You retarded shit head. They fight entire armies in tiny bands all the fucking time you stupid fuck.This is "I've never read a Grey knights codex once in my life" levels of stupid.

>>96232553
>The Custodes and Sisters of Silence held back a literal endless warp invasion.
No, they were fucking losing, only the emperor saved the.

>>96232580
You know if the Emperor was just Nagash the setting would have been won by now.

>>96232575
They always were you dumb fuck and you acting like this is some news to you outs yourself as not a GK player.

>>96232570
A Single custodies got merked by a genestealer cultist with a buzzsaw, not even a formal genestealer. At least a grey knight died the Logan fucking Grimnar and not a literal who among whos.

Its warhammer, every faction can kill every other faction because that justifies the fucking game.

>>96232576
Space Wolves. Harlequins. Mad?
How about holding off endless chaos invasion? Six Custodes turning back a swarmlord hive fleet?

>>96232599
>Six Custodes turning back a swarmlord hive fleet?
They literally fought a million gaunts, 5 terminators on ultramar already did that.

A single Normemissary killed three fucking custodies. Just one Normemissary.

>>96232598
>Its warhammer, every faction can kill every other faction because that justifies the fucking game.
This is mostly just comic superhero power scaling retardation. Oh Grey Knights are shit because they lost to Wolves, but also a single Grey Knight can defeat a daemon primarch so clearly the Space Wolves are stronger than all daemon primarchs. There is literally zero consistency in the setting.

>>96232587
> No, they were fucking losing

They held it back for days. They kept fighting until their literal bodies gave out. They are literally the genetic peak of the space marines (aside from the Primarchs), and they held off an entire chaos invasion until their bodies gave out. Grey Knights are just normal Space Marines. Custodes no-diff easy.

>>96232599
>Six Custodes turning back a swarmlord hive fleet?
Not really a feat considering 10 space marines once saved three different planets from tyranids while also fighting off an ork invasion.

>>96232609
>They kept fighting until their literal bodies gave out.
Draigo has been fighting in the daemons home field for centuries and hasn't shown signs of stopping, meanwhile custodes got tired after a few days.

>>96232598
>They always were you dumb fuck and you acting like this is some news to you outs yourself as not a GK player.
Have you never spoken to an IG player in your entire life? Mechaicus players are almost as bad.

>>96232609
And they were STILL losing because HEY, warp enemies are consistently shown to be one of their weaker matchups.

I wonder why Malcador trusted the ultimate final creations he and the emperor made, specifically designed to fight demons, with a task that would certainly involve having to fight demons and warp entities to accomplish it?

Even in the lore, the Custodies second guess their superiority when the consider the existence of Grey Knights retard.

>>96232609
Wrong. Custodes were creates to be great at everything, including fighting. But they're warriors, not soldiers. Astartes can survive in places that would kill a Custodes, they can go weeks without sleep by resting half their brain at a time, they can breathe water and eat brain matter to learn about their enemies. Custodes are bigger, stronger, faster, but war isn't a fucking duel. Even Erebus saw the flaw in Custodes combat, that they can't fight as a team. Are you dumber than Erebus, anon?

>>96232609
>Grey Knights are just normal Space Marines. Custodes no-diff easy.

Every single Grey Knight is fully trained librarian, we already saw what happens when Custodies fight mass psychers at prospero, they were getting fucked over entirely and bascially only the sisters of silence and Russ himself could really push forward.

And the Prospero sorcerers were unrefined, Grey Knights have their potential fully refined.

>>96232622
So Draigo is better than the average Grey Knight, while every Custodes is leaps and bounds better than a standard Grey Knight. Got it.

>>96232612
Six Custodes killed the Swarmlord and slaughtered literal millions of nids. The 10 marines did nothing even close to that.

>>96230960 (OP)
The theory that it's just a ploy to sacrifice all of the GKs at once to give Big E one last shot of super psychic energy right before he revives himself makes a bit more sense to me

>>96232639
Grey Knights also earned their immunity to corruption by fighting off possession during their indoctrination process, Custodes had theirs just handed to them, until they actually take the field they're not tested against Chaos, they just go in raw, like a half drunk teenager on prom night, GKs know to wear their proverbial raincoat.

>>96232648
>while every Custodes is leaps and bounds better than a standard Grey Knight
Nope, not when you account for their psyker powers.

>>96232648
>The 10 marines did nothing even close to that.
True, Swarmlord has been killed by solo marines before. Meanwhile the custodes needed six guys.

>>96232659
We literally have Custodies get corrupted and try to kill the emperor in the End and the Death.

>>96232648
A lone carnifex has killed 2 of them before.

Captain Titus of the Ultramarines canonically kills three carnifexes at least in the events of Space Marine 2 alone.

>>96232676
Neat, haven't read that one yet.

>>96232649
They're Space Marines, why would Emps need a ploy? He could just order them to sacrifice themselves, and they'd do it.

>>96232649
>Hey, if the throne malfunctions, demons come out and kill everyone and my custodies are already shown to not be good enough to stop them.
>If only there was a dedicated demon hunting force that could go in and actually do their one fucking job

Your a retard, probably a custode fag as well.

>>96232718
Just showing the Decree to Valdor could easily be enough to get a large portion of the Custodes to stand down, since it's a personal order from the Emperor.

>>96232639
What a stupid comparison. The psykers on Prospero are superior to any Grey Knight librarian (They were also juiced up from the warp, so obviously the Custodes are gonna struggle against super chaos juiced psykers). The Thousand Suns would simply wipe the floor with the grey knights.

Not only do the Custodes have remakable martial prowess (over 10,000 years of it, in fact, longer than any Grey Knight), but the Custodes and the Sisters of Silence would be fighting together. Not to mention SoB, Imperial Fists, Minotaurs, Arbites, Lucifer Blacks, etc. would be on the Custodes side. Not to mention Fenris is not far away. There would also be the question of who the Big E was supporting if he was walking around freely. He'd likely oppose the Grey Knights and it would just be GG before it would even start.

>>96232701
That wouldn't be as cool or something. Also I said a bit more sense, it's still pretty dumb.

>>96232718
I don't have any investment in either army, and worrying about power scaling bullshit is a waste of time.

>>96232671
And yet, the Custodes are canonically the Emperor's strongest fighting force. Funny how that works, eh?

>>96232664
Nope. Custodes are naturally resistant to psykers, actually.

Little excerpt:

>Aegis of the Emperor

>The cellular alchemy that creates the warriors of the Adeptus Custodes leaves them forever touched by a spark of the Emperor’s own greatness. Beyond their martial might and incorruptible nobility, this energy manifests itself as an almost supernatural warding, as though the Custodians were protected by the hand of the Emperor. Bullets and bolts are turned aside at the last moment, blades fail to strike home, and even the psychic powers of the foe can suddenly and inexplicably flicker away to nothing in the face of the Ten Thousand.

>>96232729
>The psykers on Prospero are superior to any Grey Knight librarian
>"I didnt read the fucking book"

They werent the rubric of Ahriman handnt been cast yet retard.

>>96232753
The Thousand Sons at any point are stronger psykers than any Grey Knight. What point are you trying to make. lmao

>>96232729
>Not only do the Custodes have remakable martial prowess (over 10,000 years of it, in fact, longer than any Grey Knight), but the Custodes and the Sisters of Silence would be fighting together.

And they would all be dying to the endless hordes of demons before the Grey Knights even were done getting their shit ready.

Again, failing to read the fucking prompt.

No fleet is reaching terra while the astronomicon is out. Again, fucking knowing nothing about the situation.

>>96232742
No they aren't, canonically, they SUCK as a formal army and this is CONSTANTLY remarked upon you stupid moron.

>>96232762
> And they would all be dying to the endless hordes of demons

Retard headcanon assumption to try and win an online argument. > Read the prompt
lmao

Even then, they held back a literal endless warp invasion before and won.

>>96232767
Nope, they are constantly referred to again and again in the novels, codexes and so on as mankinds premiere fighting force. I'm going to need your citations stating otherwise.

>>96232773
>Even then, they held back a literal endless warp invasion before and won.

They fucking lost you stupid fucking moron, Malcador had to die to hold the door they FAILED to defend closed, you fucking moron, and then the emperor had to be placed there because the custodies couldnt defend it, you fucking moron.

>>96232749
>Custodes are naturally resistant to psykers
Then why do they get their shit pushed in by psykers and Warp enemies without the Sisters?

>>96232783
Nope, they did their job and won the war. Not sure what else to tell ya.

>>96232761
>The Thousand Sons at any point are stronger psykers than any Grey Knight.
This is just getting pathetic.

Ok /tg/, what should be the decree to be true to the lore and spirit of wk40?

>>96232777
>"I didnt read a single custodies codex nor the horus heresy series"
retard

>>96232784
Bad writers?
How else do you think the Grey Knights get the treatment they do?

>>96232790
Well the Decree says the Knights are the single strongest faction in 40k, so I'd say it's already true to the lore and spirit, there's just a bunch of retards who don't want to admit it.

>>96230960 (OP)
I never asked for new lore. I was very much content with 40k staying in narrative stasis and being roughly outlined backdrop for minor /ourguys/ conflicts within it. I never asked for primarines, primarchs being brought back to life, and other such garbage.
Then again, I don't care that much since I dropped 40k with 3ed and every such change vindicates my decision.

>>96232786
No, the emperor won the war you retard and if the custodies were tasked to do it again they would lose, cope you fucking monkey, GW LITERALLY showed them fail

>>96232791

I need a sentence that can be referenced that specifically says "So and so in the imperium are actually the number 1 fighting force in the imperium".

I'll wait for those citations. lmao

>>96232786
The Grey Knights literally were made because Malcador and the Emperor both knew that the Custodes were insufficient for the task at hand...

>>96232799
They didn't fail, they heorically bought time for the Big E to do what he needed to do, thus mankind won the war. You're such a stupid fucking ape. lmao

>>96232806
Read their own fucking codex

>>96232819
I have. It says they're the best. Are you fucking illiterate, mentally handicapped, or both?

>>96232814
Thanks for the concession moron

>>96232828
You didnt read the codex, the whole "while individually they are strong, they aren't good as a proper military force" have be canon lore since they were brought back in HH 1.0. Thanks for proving your stupidity.

>>96232834
> Thanks for the concession moron
The custodes won the fucking war and only a retarded nigger like yourself would argue otherwise. Cry more that your gary stu space marine chapter would get creamed by even a group of 100 custodes.

Personally, it doesn't bother me because Grey Knights always had bad lore.

I was going to shit on >>96232180 for overreacting, then I actually read >>96232044
Yeah, go fuck yourself >>96232044. Your taste is shit and belongs on an even more shit site than this one.

>>96232487
>Even they won't survive that.
If Draigo can survive being grimdark Samurai Jack trapped in the warp and being so hard to kill that most daemons have genuinely stopped trying and stay out of his way then I imagine the entire Grey Knights chapter can probably push through whatever daemonic shitshow is happening and reach Terra.

>>96230960 (OP)
I mean I just don't see how this is supposed to work. If the Emperor rises from his throne, how are one thousand Grey Knights supposed to assault Terra - battling their way past ten thousand highly-motivated Custodians, countless human soldiers, multiple fleets, and the Warhound titans at the gate - to reach an awakened psychic demigod and force him back onto the Golden Throne?
Horus couldn't manage it. Six Legions couldn't manage it. Now a thousand dudes are supposed to manage it?
More, if the Emperor is reincarnated and the universe isn't exploding, why are they trying to re-entomb him back on the throne? Conversely, if an infinite number of daemons are pouring out of the Webway, why would you want to start another civil war right there?

>>96231140
Wait the throne isn't failing anymore?

>>96231350
Sneedperor

>>96233282
Last I heard. Though some speculate it might have just been a temporary fix. Bottom line, don't worry about it, my guy.

>>96233250
>Conversely, if an infinite number of daemons are pouring out of the Webway, why would you want to start another civil war right there?
Because forcing the Emperor back onto his chair will stop the infinite number of daemons pouring out of the webway, obviously.

>>96230960 (OP)
Its not cool, its dumb and removes another element of mysticism from the universe. Considering its canon that vulcan has rigged the golden throne to blow if the emperor ever gets up, where are they going to return him to?

>>96231086
It will also ruin the space marine lore and feel if they ever do it. Space marines are a fraternity of warrior monks essentially and the whole "thin red line" of brothers against a universe of horrors is what makes them so appealing to fans. It appeals to the male brain in a way that women just dont get.

>>96233349
Or it's not exactly HIM getting off it to begin with, of course. In which case where else would you want the GK to be?

>>96232044
You have honestly the most boring and pedestrian take on the setting. People like you should be thrown off cliffs. If you want space liberalism, Star Trek is right over there.

>2025
>gw fluff is the worst it's ever been
>more and more shit keeps getting shoved onto the pile
>retards are still getting mad over power level wank
>when whoever is the strongest depends solely on whose POV the codex/novel is written from
>when tabletop balance is a shitshow and both gold and silver marines can get rekt by blue or spikey marines or literally anything else

>>96230960 (OP)
>Do warhammer fans like anything?

No. They exist o hate it and ignore all alternatives

>>96233564
It's not a power level wank, it's a salt mine, and we hit the mother load with this one.

>>96230960 (OP)
1.) No one likes Fag Cucks
2.) They could never beat the Custodes, let alone the Emperor himself. They job to Space Yiffs, and the Yiffs are retards and mutants.

>>96232180
>>96232874
>>96233540
Why should anyone care about a what a bunch of faggots think is shit and pedestrian as they cling to a game and IP that is being made ever more shit and pedestrian by its owners?

>>96232598
>>96232605
The bottom line is, either the Worf effect, or the joke is that the Custodes in the actual 40k lore are a propaganda army.
A paper tiger that can only actually win when they're attacking unprepared former allies. And even then only because they can bring a bigger army with them.

>>96232783
Malcador used his demonstrated memory editing powers to fake his death.
The body turning to ash infront of many witnesses is a great excuse for why there isn't one.
He's behind the scenes, shitting up everything.

>>96232506
I'd trust the ork more. At keast Blood Axes and Freebooterz can sort of be reasoned with

>>96232051
>Terminus Decree is something more heretic than what Horus did

tiresome

I thought that thing was locked away for unspecified bad times?
What if there were bad times and they open it only to see instructions for a completely different situation?

>>96232599
Reminder that in the nu lore dark angels have assaulted the palace and cypher didn't reach the throne just because reasons.

As personal opinion custodes have always been lame on all fronts, now even more with femstodes.

>>96230960 (OP)
>hey right winger! the femstodes will wipe out your grey chudknights

>>96233845
Remember a whole fleet of custodes got wiped out by BTchuds too. They're nit even the best team killers

>>96230960 (OP)
the reason people don't like it is because it's retarded as shit
>"if I ever get up from this throne, put me back onto it"
>"how?"
>"lol I dunno"
the virus the bio-dude made during the HH would have made way more sense.

>>96231038
the issue isn't even tweaking the formula, it just wouldn't make any sense to begin with.
he wants the peak of human fighting potential, and then he shoves gene-seed into it to make them grow even further beyond.
women are simply nowhere near the peak fighting potential. it would make absolutely no sense to start from a worse base material and then invest the shitload of resources a space marine requires into it, just to end with an underperforming end-product

>>96232028
their children would probably just be abominations fucked up by all the hormones in the womb.
it's not like their DNA is edited to grow all these extra organs on their own, all that stuff is just implanted. their children wouldn't have them, even under the assumption that fem space marines wouldn't be sterile to begin with.

>>96232462
emps could have simply told the custodes to make sure he's not getting off the throne, and to ask the grey knights for assistance in case any warp shit spawns

>>96234296
You're still creating bloodlines that are "better" than human. Unless those kids cannot take the implants at all, the temptation to only marine up marine bloodline kids would directly line up with the temptation to usurp humanity and put space marine bloodlines in charge.

>>96233743
>get raped by harlequins
>get raped by unarmored world eater
>get raped by cypher
not looking good for copestodes fans

>>96232729
>t. is unaware that the Grey Knights are actually loyalist Thousand Sons
kek, people idiotically wanking TkS over Grey Knights will never not be hilarious

>>96231257
>because the Emperor personally raised them in an actual loving way.
That never happened. The reason they're more resistant to Chaos is because he took away their free will. Custodes are literally incapable of defying the Emperor's orders or what they perceive to be his orders. They talk a big game about how huge their brains are, how intellectually prodigious they all are, as philosophers and scientists, blah blah... but at the core of it all, they are fundamentally incapable of defying him. They can go as far as the Blood Games and bring their weapon to an inch of the Emperor's flesh, and still they can't push it the last inch to actually harm him.

>>96234296
>it's not like their DNA is edited to grow all these extra organs on their own, all that stuff is just implanted.
The 19 organs generated from a progenoid gland and implanted into an Astartes neophyte alter the genetics and physiology of the entire individual bit by bit. An Astartes is not just 19 special organs in a normal human, these organs rewrite their DNA and cause them to grow bigger, turns their bones into steel, expands the ribcage into a ribwall, expands other organs and alters their functions, increases muscle density to superhuman levels, etc. etc.
By the time the marine has all his implants, he is genetically congruent with said implants. They're a hackjob way of doing gene edits on a person quickly but crudely, one of many of the juryrigged solutions the Emperor came up with. It just so happens this jury-rigged solution worked in multiple ways, as the Emperor wanted Astartes to be difficult and time-consuming to create, as it would prevent them from simply replacing normal humanity and make their eventual purge from existence much easier to pull off.

>>96234300
The Custodes can never be made to disobey the Emperor's orders. He can wake up, countermand his previous orders, and they'll instantly obey. It is built into their very souls. It is this same reason why the Emperor created the Primarchs to lead the Astartes legions, because the Custodes lack that quintessential spark of free will that allows for truly great leaders to be born.

>>96235180
The Cypher one is extra hilarious since he pulled off a prison break in their prison within the span of a paragraph.

>>96232749
>>96232784
He is talking out of his ass.
A Dark Angel psyker froze a custodes in place allowing his battle brothrs to finish him.

>>96230960 (OP)
>40k gets a piece of lore that needlessly pulls back the curtain of mystery that allows for 'your dudes' worldbuilding
>This is anathema to the setting historically
>Surprised when the hobbiests don't like it

>>96232487
>I'm pretty sure if the throne stops it isn't going to be hordes of daemons it's going to be a second eye of terror
I can and can't see this.

I thought it was just an illegal webway connection that never set the "Don't connect daemonland" setting to Off, and the eye of terror was single minded psyker worship, not a faulty webway portal.
Buuut the eye of terror did turn into galaxy-spanning warp fuckery because one or more planets had their necron computer chips dismantled. So it's not like the setting has any rules.

>>96235999
>Grey Knights
>'Your dudes'

>>96236040
>I thought it was just an illegal webway connection that never set the "Don't connect daemonland" setting to Off, and the eye of terror was single minded psyker worship, not a faulty webway portal.
Magnus smashed through the walls of the Webway through sheer brute force to try to get a message to the Emperor. The Warp spilled out into the part of the Webway that the Emperor had only just begun to colonize, forming a micro Eye of Terror that was only barely contained behind Terra's Webway gate by using the Golden Throne as a giant fuck-off psychic bulkhead. Because Magnus Ruined Everything™ at the key moment while the Emperor was doing the most dangerous, risky part of the process of expanding the Webway corridors leading to Terra, it was like ripping a giant hole in reality itself, turning all these half-formed conduits into literal funnels of Chaos itself.
It is contained as a micro storm behind the Webway Gate, but if the Golden Throne ever fails, the storm will break loose and expand endlessly until it consumes the very core of the Imperium, half a million worlds gone in an instant.

>>96230960 (OP)
>Imperium "fans" get first cool new lore in years
where

>so Emperor wrote down DO NOT REVIVE on a piece of paper nobody but you can read, and nobody has any certain record of, not even you, and he didn't tell to anybody else not even his personal bodyguard?
>and He wanted you to just...walk into Terra and stab him to death?
>you know, there's this dude called the Changeling...

>>96236213
> Because Magnus Ruined Everything™ at the key moment while the Emperor was doing the most dangerous, risky part of the process of expanding the Webway corridors leading to Terra
This plot point was so fucking stupid. Gigachad psyker astropath couldn’t explain to his psyker son why he shouldn’t use his powers to contact him. HH is such a mess

>terminus decree
>only use this when there's no hope for the imperium
>Tyrannids sweep through segmentum solar
>make landfall in Holy Terra
>Imperial Palace is on the verge of falling
>suddenly, at the last minute, the entire Grey Knight chapter shows up with Kaldor Drago at its head!
>they immediately rush into action and...
>...break into the throne room to make sure the Emperor is still sitting there
>leave

it makes sense to have a contingency to prevent the Emperor from going rogue or insane by trying to leave the Golden Throne and collapse the Imperium
but the very specific directions of the terminus decree just doesnt mesh with the idea that it is to be used in the 'darkest hour' of the Imperium, there are so many potential threats and potential scenarios for the 'darkest hour' where checking to make sure Big E is on the throne is a waste of time, and other scenarios where Big E getting off the throne is actually a good idea

it just seems too narrow and specific
and thats WITHOUT getting into the fact that between their extremely limited numbers and extremely limited political power (cuz of muh secrecy) they Grey Knights would stand no chance of even being in a position to enforce their decree, without getting into how the fuck they'd put a resurrected/reincarnated/ascended Emperor back in his chair.

fuck it, break out the sisters of battle, we're gonna need more blood

>>96236288
>Gigachad psyker astropath couldn’t explain to his psyker son why he shouldn’t use his powers to contact him.
The Emperor would have needed to explain what Chaos was for any explanation to Magnus to make sense. Unfortunately he didn't create the Primarchs intending for them to be immune or resistant to Chaos corruption, so the mere knowledge that Chaos exists is already too dangerous and would immediately corrupt half the Primarchs. Why? Who knows.

>>96236355
He could had just said
>if you contact me terra is going to explode
And I guarantee that he wouldn’t had done it.
> Unfortunately he didn't create the Primarchs intending for them to be immune or resistant to Chaos corruption, so the mere knowledge that Chaos exists is already too dangerous and would immediately corrupt half the Primarchs
I guess. Horus himself was fairly resistant to it until they fucking killed him and resurrected his corpse as a chaos undead. Magnus, despiste outwardly being the most vulnerable to it, on became traitor after he was pretty much forced to desert. And I’m pretty sure the only reason Leman Russ didn’t fall to Khorne corruption is because learned about chaos.

>>96236355
There's an answer of why he never told them: He was an arrogant cunt, and Magnus(hypocritically funny enough) calls him on this.
>E:"I told you shouldn't mess with the Warp"
>M:"How was I supposed to know when you barely told me anything except vagueries?"
>E:"Well, uh, yeah that's... true... but still this is your fault."
>M:"Oh go fuck yourself. Rules for Thee but not for me?"

>>96230960 (OP)
They aren't warhammer fans they're fans of complaining about warhammer. You could replace warhammer with any semi-popular cultural icon and they'd act exactly the same. Culture warriors on both sides are a cancer.

>>96232494
Don’t they outright say that Draigo is “almost as strong as Valdor” in the same book he fights Mortarion?

>>96236408
>>M:"Oh go fuck yourself. Rules for [BIG RED CHUDDY WHO WAS BUILT IN A TUBE 100 YEARS AGO] but not for [DEMIGOD IMMORTAL WITH 30,000 YEARS OF WARP EXPERIENCE]?"
yeah

>>96236355
>Unfortunately he didn't create the Primarchs intending for them to be immune or resistant to Chaos corruption, so the mere knowledge that Chaos exists is already too dangerous and would immediately corrupt half the Primarchs. Why? Who knows
I am somewhat partial to the (objectively shit, but kind of thematically fitting to how Imperium's often written as doing horrible things by necessity, not because of evulz) theory that he had relived the Heresy period so, so, so many times using psychic fuckery, that the current path is simply the most optimal. He's just so discontent with the optimal path being fairly horrible, that he does the bare minimum to make sure things happen right. He could make the Primarchs Warp-resistant, but that, perhaps, leads to them eventually deciding they don't feel like stepping aside for humanity to live, and they end up tyrants and satraps, waging endless war between their kingdoms of mankind until tyrannids show up and kill everybody. So, no warp resistance.
Or, for instance, he could play out a more complex and detailed path for Magnus to fall, because Magnus must fall, but he hates the fact that it is so; he likes Magnus, Magnus is the closest to him in many ways. So, he simply does the requisite steps without any obvious logic or spirit to them, and is as obviously and offensively weird about it as can be.
It's all a sad necessity, fate requires it, but that doesn't mean that he has to respect it or put serious effort into it.

>>96236416
funny how the 'fans of complaining' are never around when GW drops genuinely good content
its almost like the 'fans of complaining' only show up when GW publishes mediocre stuff or engages in bad business practices

we must investigate this mystery...

>>96232576
Heresy era space marines are stronger than both custodes and grey knights. They’re pretty much all chaos sorcerers, or are getting buffed by a particularly powerful sorcerer-marine.

>>96236446
honestly most of the time with how Grey Knights perform even against the forces of Chaos, it makes me wonder why they even exist
whats the point in having such comically strict recruiting and training standards, specialist equipment and armament, elite training, and psychic might, if most of the time you're just a speed bump?

only the elites of the chapter can really perform well on the battlefield, but thats the same for ANY chapter

>>96236394
The Emperor had even put up psychic wards around the Webway he was working on, and those wards were the biggest red flag Magnus had ever seen that he should NOT continue. Magnus was just so convinced that only he could save the Imperium that he ignored them and forced his way through anyways.
>Horus himself was fairly resistant to it until they fucking killed him and resurrected his corpse as a chaos undead.
He was only made gravely ill, temporarily. What flipped Horus was seeing the future and realizing he would not be honored as a hero by humanity despite all his achievements. Ironically, it was his turn to Chaos that ensured all memory of him would be wiped from the Imperium.
>Magnus, despiste outwardly being the most vulnerable to it, on became traitor after he was pretty much forced to desert.
After he smashed through the Webway barriers, the Emperor punched Magnus's psychic manifestation so hard that Magnus's soul literally shattered into a thousand pieces. Magnus gradually pieced himself back together by finding his soulshards throughout the Warp, but was unable to find all of his pieces. The last shard, which was his loyalty to the Emperor, found its way back to the Emperor and was given to Malcador to transform an Astartes into the first Grey Knights grandmaster so that Magnus, or a tiny part of him, could fulfill his duty to fight Chaos. The Grey Knights are essentially the Emperor's apology gift to Magnus, giving him the legion of heroes that Magnus wanted to have all along. And the GK are probably made from Magnus's gene-seed too lmao
>And I’m pretty sure the only reason Leman Russ didn’t fall to Khorne corruption is because learned about chaos.
The Emperor and Malcador both did not want to take that risk if they could avoid it, since they hadn't designed the Primarchs to have the mental fortitude to withstand such knowledge. If the Primarchs were resistant, it was because of their upbringing, not their genetic gifts.

>>96236434
The thing is that this is something many primarchs have against the Emperor. Even the loyalists.
Guilliman literally thinks about how the Emperor kept them in the dark abiut the biggest threat to Mankind and Jaghatai points out how he is insistent on stamping up the truth that the Warp isn't just a metaphysical sea.

>>96236539
maybe if he got the chance to raise each of them personally and manage their upbringing, things would have been different, but the people he were dealing with were fully formed adults with their own different views, opinions, biases, intuitions, and history.
I think he was playing it safe until getting the webway up and running
and if it werent for Erebus, it would have worked, too

>>96236408
The Emperor wasn't mad at Magnus for screwing around with the Warp. If he actually cared about that, he would have personally intervened and forced Magnus to stop studying the Warp rather than leaving it to democratic committee of all things. The Council of Nikaea was always a sham, something done purely to shut up that annoying little hypocritical shit Mortarion. Half the Legions just flat out ignored it and kept their psychic marines, as they should have.
No, the Emperor was mad at Magnus because he had ignored all the warning signs and big red flags telling him
>DO NOT SCREW WITH THESE PSYCHIC WARDS. THEY ARE IMPORTANT. THEY ARE HERE FOR GOOD REASON.
The Emperor was so furious when Magnus broke those wards that he very nearly killed him in a single instant of psychic backlash. Like the hand of god bitch-slapping Magnus into literal pieces. It was the stupidest thing Magnus could ever have done and the only reason he did so was because he was too proud to just talk to Malcador, or the Adeptus Astra Telepathica, or anyone else on Terra who could have then strolled down in person to chat with the Emperor about the whole Horus problem. A problem that the Emperor was already aware of because word of the betrayal had already reached Terra years ago, literally years ago.

>>96236589
>Half the Legions just flat out ignored it and kept their psychic marines, as they should have.
That's a lie, everyone except one or two disobeyed. It wasn't until the heresy where half of the Legions became eager to use this or were forced too
>DO NOT SCREW WITH THESE PSYCHIC WARDS. THEY ARE IMPORTANT. THEY ARE HERE FOR GOOD REASON.
That all he said but never elaborated and that's why Jaghatai butted heads with him. Because Jaghatai knew the Emperor was a liar, and only conceeded that the Emperor hated the lie. But he still made it clear the Imperium used the Warp for many things and pretending nothing is there is a mistake.
>A problem that the Emperor was already aware of because word of the betrayal had already reached Terra years ago, literally years ago.
That's not true, because otherwise he wouldn't tell Horus to Send Russ to CAPTURE Magnus(which Horus twisted). Horus' betrayal was known during the events of Istvaan III.

>>96236717
Also words of betrayal never reached years ago. The Burning of Prospero literally happens around the time Istvaan III Atrocity, which lasted around 50 days.
How can the Emperor hear word of betrayal from years ago when the news of that betrayal happend around the same tine as the Burning of Prospero?

>>96236149
People DO rely on old lore that Grey Knights used to have distinct chapters. Which, by the way, is another thing that got filed down along with every other retarded poor lore decision that Games Workshop has been doing, so I don't really understand your point here anon.

>>96232498
Shut the fuck up you stupid faggot no clearly not clearly its some dumb fuck GW writer inventing an fucking atrocious answer to a question that didn't ever need answering

>>96236589
>A problem that the Emperor was already aware of because word of the betrayal had already reached Terra years ago, literally years ago.

Burning of Prospero was in 31,004 when Horus had already been corrupted but was still gathering his forces and hadn't declared open rebellion (hence him using his position as warmaster to interfere with the Emperor's order for Russ to capture Magnus, instead telling him to kill him). The Istvaan III atrocity was the next year in 31,005.

>>96236353
I was similar to this but then had a flash of... I won't say inspiration or insight, but it can still be explained.
So, let's go with the nids rocking up to Terra. Don't know why the GK wouldn't already be helping out seeing as they're metaphorically in the same apartment block, but let's say that they're sat there thinking that things look pretty shit but they really need to be alert for Daemons happening somewhere. So maybe minor involvement, using fleet elements to harass the flanks, but that's about it.
Oops. It all goes south. Nids make planetfall and nom their way through to the Eternity Gate. Gondor calls for aid, and the GK Master opens his box.
"The Emperor must stay on his throne" - i.e. fuck that Daemon shit, get your ass to Holy Terra and hold the throne room. All assets expendable. Strategic Value: Absolute.

>>96231781
>men still culturally mog women
That much at least you can debate because women were systematically barred from being prominent influences on culture for thousands of years across many cultures. Like how do you expect women to "culturally mog men" across history when men consistently banned women from being artists/sculptors/writers/actors?

>>96239672
For a good reason.
I don't see any positive effects on culture since we let women influence it.
To the contrary, it only became more crude and base.

>>96237248
Tbf the closest thing was Exorcists and that was placed as a rumour with little-to-no ground rather than being legit, until they dropped it by saying they are IF successor

>>96230960 (OP)
I like up through 4e

>>96231038
>presumably the Primarchs were the mass-produced version of Custodes
>20 primarchs
>10,000 custodes
Are you retarded? The primarchs are entirely different from custodes and not "mass produced" versions of them

>>96239672
Have you seen the art women produce? Half of it is just vaginas

>>96242765
That sounds like extreme confirmation bias given I've seen women's work.

>>96230960 (OP)
>people on 4chan hate it overwhelmingly
Ftfy.

>>96230960 (OP)
>my heckin super good space marines would never do that!
to be fair, I doubt Grey knights players wanted to be the punching bag of the imperium. I think its cool but thats only because I play chaos/xenos

>>96230960 (OP)
They're setting up for 40k end times. Emps is getting off the throne as a villain in the form of the dark king.

>>96241028
tbf they work as IF successors. their whole deal is fortifying the soul rather than just physical fortitude.

This sounds like one of those ideas where they key point made sense if framed correctly, but they failed to properly elaborate on it or flesh it out so it just sounds dumb. Like just one simple detail on it of Big E clarifying the necessity of it being that whatever comes off the throne won't actually be him and would instead be a daemon possessing his body etc and suddenly it starts to make more sense. As then the GKs would be required to subdue and return the body to the throne, and presumably either the body absent the spirit would continue to work like a battery, or it allows Big E's spirit to return to the body etc. If they want shit to really get real then include a last resort in the decree which is complete destruction of the body, and the enclose tool to do it is the anathema blade or some shit.

>>96244232
>I doubt Grey knights players wanted to be the punching bag
Got it backwards heretic scum, as a GK player I am LOVING this, official acknowledgement that the faction I play is the strongest in the Imperium, by a wide margin. It's bad writing but the salt has been delicious. Like yours. Please, reply try to argue, give me more salt, more tears. Do it.

My faction would kill all of your factions

>>96232606
So your argument is 40k is inconsistent, because the legion designated as Astartes-killers...defeated Astartes, but those Astartes, the daemon-killing chapter are good against...daemons? Please think about that.
>but woofs aren't
Yes they are.

>Imperiumfags screaming in hatred at GW every time the Imperium turns out to be cripplingly self-destructive and corrupt
>the literal intro paragraph before every codex, novel, and TV series states the Imperium is the worst place you could ever imagine

>>96244832
It is hilarious, really.

>>96235180
Custodes are like ninjas, in that the more of them that appear in the lore the weaker they get.

>>96244832
>the Imperium is the worst place you could ever imagine
Commorragh.

>>96245393
>Commorragh.
Stable and prosperous free port which is older than Imperium

>>96245393
You might think so, but when a Haemonculus visited Terra, the sheer suffering throughout the entire planet was so intense the Thirst drove him even more insane than usual. Commorragh, despite being a pocket empire the size of many planets put together, is actually less cruel and vicious than Terra is.

>>96244296
Yeah I won't refute it

>>96244832
They removed that intro cuz of how overdone it was by the time of Indomitus Crusade cuz it really tries too hard, especially in stories from Chaos POVs

>>96245853
>They removed that intro cuz of how overdone it was by the time of Indomitus Crusade cuz it really tries too hard
They only removed it for a single edition because they were trying to whitewash the setting into something more hopeful, along with Guilliman returning and the Primaris reinforcements.

>>96245865
Yeah and I miss it cuz it was something diferent.
Now we get grimderp kaioken times 10(Terminus Decree, the Ynnari turned into a waste of time)

>>96231038
I prefer the simple science-based answers. Space Marines and any other front-line fighter will be based off of men because in humans, males are stronger, faster and more aggressive. Simple as that.
They can just make the Navigators all female and their houses entirely matriarchal to balance the lore.

>>96245902
>Now we get grimderp kaioken times 10
Good, that's what 40k was founded on and what I enjoy from it.

>>96244958
>Custodes are like ninjas
Custodes do have that spy network made of "retired" custodes.
>female custodes in a tight, synthskin bodyglove like the assassins have

>>96246037
40k wasn't grimderp, it was clown car scouts dressing on Imperial soldier clothes from fantasy but with scout armor and mohawks
Grimderp is trying to hard to be dark and failing to do so cuz it's tryhardish. It's not dark, it's cringe.

>>96246037
>that's what 40k was founded on
Foundations can be retarded and you can let the thing grow to be more than that.

>>96246068
>any time the Imperium isn't perfect is grimderp
ok dumbass fucking faglord, let's just make it a utopia then. Fuck having a dark setting and all that! Let's just turn this shit into Star Trek with chainswords.

>>96246076
Then it's not what I like anymore. 40k without the grimdark is like Warcraft without big muscley dudes fighting each other to the death. Soulless.

>>96246080
That's not the point retard, the point is that 40k was silly about it's drkness.
2nd Edition literally has the Commissars exist for the purpose to help unite the Imperial Guard due to being ethnically and culturally diverse rather that itchy trigger finger executionerz.

>>96246110
>That's not the point retard, the point is that 40k was silly about it's drkness.
It always had plenty of serious darkness mixed in with the silly. 2nd edition was a good balance of the two and many of the codexes talk about some heavy shit along with some goofy shit. 3rd edition went way harder on the serious grimdark. 4th pushed more towards a balanced perspective again.

What's the point of revealing what the Terminus Decree and it has no vague instruction how to bring the emps back to his chair? It's like wing it, bullshit hard enough and it might werk.

>>96246088
>Then it's not what I like anymore
It still is.
>40k without grimdark
It still is grimdark. It just not retarded grimderp.

>>96232553
>Six Custodes literally held off an entire hive invasion fleet = Swarmlord.
How is that even physically possible? On a planet with a smiliar size and land mass to earth that would be...

267,200,000,000,000,000 square feet of land that each custodes would have to guard from a planetary invasion.
(or 267.2 quadrillion ft2)

Custodes lore is more retarded than i could have ever imagined.

>>96231038
Reaching to the Horus Heresy will give you nothing. Distilled to it's most basic thematic element when the setting began to covalence from the early days of rogue trader into something else, they were the militant monastic orders of the new dark ages of mankind. They are warrior monks, monks are men. It's that sniple. Now that 40k no longer wants to be about a galaxy in decline circling the toilet bowl of fate, things shift. I'm sure they'll reach back to HH for a lot going forward so we can expect unwashed dog ass on par with Gaia and the perpetuals.

>>96246135
You don't get to just call everything you don't like grimderp. Grimdark requires that everyone and everything is shit. Stupid mistakes are made by stupid people that continually make shit worse for everyone. That is 40k in a nutshell.
What you're describing is grimbright: righteous hope blazing against the darkness that seeks to consume it. I'm glad 40k is moving away from that direction, because that's what Age of Sigmar is, and Age of Sigmar fucking sucks.

>>96246146
>How is that even physically possible?
They funneled the entire Tyranid invasion into a single tunnel. It still doesn't make the slightest sense. Requires that the Tyranids mindlessly charge down said tunnel without simply digging more tunnels with their digging organisms. Or flooding the tunnel with a lake of acid to melt everyone inside it. Or just sitting outside it and waiting for the Custodes to starve to death. Even if we accept that the Hive Mind took a retard pill that day, 6 Custodes can't hold off 100 billion Tyranids. Their muscles would literally disintegrate from overuse and their brain neurons would break down from lack of rest. That's all assuming they could beat the nonstop waves of Tyranid super-organisms, which is a tall ask.

>>96246121
Iirc an example of 4th would be: "Caiphas Cain and Amberley Veil drink tea(or Recaf, forgot exactly) as they realize the Tau may got Genestealer issues that can lead to a Tyranid invasion, and they go 'should we tell them?' 'Nah.'"
Then again, the Caiohas Cain series is full of that

>>96246153
>saying this as if Age of Sigmar isn't going Grimdark and that only made the setting worst.
Also 40k also has of smart characters making shit better if for a while. We literally started 1999(which is during the time 40k was being darker) with Ibram Gaunt.

gw lore is fucking gay
I just like psychic space paladins that H-HAYAI's into the battle and mows down space demons with wrist mounted machine guns and glowing halberds and swords and shit
simple as

>>96246288
40k speaks to me when it's just raw ethos. A thousand different stories of heroics and horrors across a galaxy of strife. I read the Lion book and felt nothing but disgust, HH fags be shot.

Thank you for coming to my presentation

>>96246309
The Lion book sucked cuz he wasn't burning crosses and praising the Klan Grand Wizard

>>96230960 (OP)
40k died decades ago so it's no skin off my back.

>>96246146
>How is that even physically possible?
Custodes are extremely strong and powerful.

Are GK still no fun allowed assholes who never tell anyone about themselves or did that go out once the Rift opened? I still think they should share some of their gear, there's enough librarians out there who could use a Nemesis halberd or Psycannon.

Femstodes have existed since the 80s. Literally just learn to fuckin' read.

>>96237248
>old lore that Grey Knights used to have distinct chapters
...no? stop larping as an oldfag, this is how misinformation gets spread and ends up the subject of a majorkills video
t. own and read every GK material since RoC Slaves to Darkness in 1e

What if the terminus protocol is actually just a plan to sacrifice a thousand top tier psykers really quick to power him up

>>96247921
Anon just post a picture of a codex or something that isn't fanfic or no one is gonna believe you.

>>96248203
Yeah, I'm wondering if it's part of some 4d chess scheme from the Emperor.

>>96248203
>the Emperor left a command to his most elite psychic champions to put him back on the Throne if he ever tries to get off of it
>must be 4D chess, surely

>>96247400
from what I remembered from Plague Wars the average marine is currently aware of their existence so thats a step up, as for gear sharing I still don't think its happening

>>96247921
Post source or rope

>>96249173
>>96250934
Believe all women chuds

>>96251912
Man, you guys sure seethe about being called chuds a lot.

>>96248203
That is just the 2nd Breakfast Protocol.

>>96230960 (OP)
The Grey Knights would get curb stomped by the Custodes+SoS

No chance they would win

>>96254060
whatever you say, custodescuck

>>96254187
The sisters of silence are explicitly meant to act as a hard counter to psykers anon


The Grey Knights would be too busy clawing out their eyes from the blank panic to fight the Custodes lol

>>96254195
>The sisters of silence are explicitly meant to act as a hard counter to psykers anon
The fact the Custodes need to rely on them so much is proof positive the Custodes are weak.
>The Grey Knights would be too busy clawing out their eyes from the blank panic to fight the Custodes lol
Grey Knights have fought alongside Sisters before in Watchers of the Throne. Not only are they able to fight unhindered by the blank aura, they are still posthuman warriors that far surpass the Sisters in skill and strength.

>>96254203
>they are still posthuman warriors that far surpass the Sisters in skill and strength

Good thing the Custodes will be there at the same time then! You know, the far superior relatives of the astartes?

>>96231257
>my half-headcanon
No one cares about your fucking fanfiction, anon.

>>96254214
>Good thing the Custodes will be there at the same time then! You know, the far superior relatives of the astartes?
Far superior is a stretch. Astartes have punched through Custodes, armor and all, barehanded before. And no Custodes has ever defeated a Daemon Primarch 1v1 like Kaldor Draigo has. Especially not in said Primarch's home turf in the Warp. That aside, the Sisters of Silence are a non-factor in this scenario, as they don't maintain a vigil at the Imperial Palace. They're rangers that seek out rogue psykers for the Blackships.

>>96254060
>>96254195
Then why did Emps, who was completely aware of what Talons forces can do, create the Knights specifically for this?
>act as a hard counter to psykers
Didn't help them much against the T-sons did it? SoS are anti-daemon, not anti-psyker, not in a meaningful way.

>>96254280
Blanks are one of the most inconsistent things in the whole of 40k, depending on who's writing the book they can range from only weakening daemons to projecting a bubble of no-warp-energy-allowed that causes any sort of psychic phenomena to instantly fizzle out the moment it enters the zone.

>>96254214
This is once again assuming that the Custodes and SoS won't have their hands full dealing with the infinity billion daemons pouring out of the Emperor's throne room during all of this.

>>96251957
Truly a powerful weapon for a more civilized people

>>96244726
Nta but my argument is that the "astartes killers" are having numerous instances of getting killed by astartes who need a good wank. Leading one to believe that they are not as good at killing astartes as advertised.

A better nickname for them would be the "avatar of khaine legion" or the "swarmlord legion"

>>96230960 (OP)
>Do warhammer fans like anything? Is it just a perpetual misery circle jerk
40k is actually an exceptional allegory for the state of itself. a rocky explosions from some fallen state of pre history (rogue trader was supposed to be a space ship skrimish campaign game)
exploding into a genre defining empire that pushed out it's competition ruthlessly until there was nothing left.
it nearly collapsed, cutting back as much as possible desperate to stay alive and reorganizing itself into the monster that it is now. now it's declining, falling apart internally, the cracks are starting to show as more and more of it begins to buckle under it's own bureaucratic weight.

>>96232575
it's retarded
>but it's great i'm so powerful THANK YOU MATT WARD
okay but why did he put instructions for him to stay on the chair that would have stopped working
how did he provide this instruction.
the secret order for when the moment's darkest is just "lol beat the shit out of my corpse"
you could still have him be "yea solo everything." but give them something like "murder every psychic human." or "preform this warp ritual to kill a god"
or nothing at all because because it might be better to show nothing.

>>96231002
>setting up a possible second civil war in the imperium

Gonna be a pretty short civil war considering GK number 1000 at most, Custodes are 10k, and the 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 guardsmen will probably not side with the weird chaos looking secretive chapter launching an attack on the golden throne.

>>96261197
1 Grey Knight is worth 100 Custodes and 1,000,000,000 guardsmen, since it only takes one squad of 5 Grey Knights to destroy an entire daemonic invasion of millions of daemons led by a Greater Daemon, so that adds up about right.

>>96261197
>>96261238
Wouldn't they just shoot their spaceships with some kind of giga doom gun and call it a day? Why even let them near Terra in the first place? Or just nuke their tactical rock mine. Then they won't be able to fight at all.

>>96261257
The Grey Knights can foretell the future years in advance. That's how they know where and when daemonic invasions are going to happen, and send their fleets in advance to either prevent them or stop them just as they occur. If they scry the future, they'll know exactly how the Custodes plan to stop them and know how to circumvent it.

>>96261267
Then why even give them an order in the first place? Let them foretell if it's a good idea to get off the golden toilet or not. And why would they ever fight the Custodes when they could foretell how to convey to them that they have a direct order from the Emperor and therefore the Custodes are soulbound to also follow that order? Why even let them know they're there, foretell any and all gaps in security and exploit the shit out of it.

>>96255977
It depends on the strength of the psyker, they're not an off switch. Even on Prospero, when Magnus fractured time the best they could do was MAYBE weakening his control of his powers in SOME timelines, and that's it. Grey Knights are some of the strongest psykers in the Imperium, and there'd be a lot of them. I don't think the Sisters would be must of an advantage, more like they'd turn a dry painal session into merely a rough dicking for he Custodes.

>>96260488
>THANK YOU MATT WARD
Lol, idgaf about Matt Ward, you're just looking for any excuse to avoid admitting what GW did. I don't think they should have, but it is what it is. You're trying to make it sound more egregious by suggesting I/GW are claiming it'd be an easy fight. I'm not. But it is a fight that the guy who created both factions thought the Knights could win.

>>96261257
>Why even let them near Terra in the first place?
Why stop them? Or did you think they'd call ahead and let the Custodes know what was coming?

>>96231038
One of the reasons I hate the bitchstodes is that it shows how GW prioritizes expanding on already well established faction in the dumbest way possible when there are loads of factions in the setting that could be fleshed out more. Off the top of my head

>Rak'gol
>Q'orl
>"Fra'al
>Slaugth
>Khrave
>mandrakes

Hell the tau have like 20 member species and we don't even know what most of them even look like. There's so much material to work with to properly expand the setting and all we get is custodes with tits. Because ADB wants to project his muscle girl fetish into the game and just couldn't be satisfied with sisters of battle.

>>96232487
No the talisman of seven hammers thing that vulkan made would completely destroy terra before that happened.

>>96231038
>Is this why it was stupid or did people have other reasons.
The custodes have existed since before the thunder warriors, and there very explicitly has never been female custodes due to the way candidates were chosen at birth.

When the femstodes were revealed, GeeDubs went to twitter and unironically said 'there have always been female custodes'. Not 'there have been female custodes you never knew about' or 'this is a retcon', but a blatant fucking lie about what they wrote in every codex previously.

>>96255442
lol, you have this image saved to use every time you are accused of being a redditor.

>>96232180
based

>>96261238
40k worldbuilding is so stupid lmao

>this guy armed with a submachine gun and magic sword who has to run around the battlefield to get anywhere can beat a million man army replete with combined arms including air armor and artillery because...he just can okay?!

>>96261641
>ADB wants to project his muscle girl fetish into the game and just couldn't be satisfied with sisters of battle.
Could have had a species of 6ft+ warrior women among the Tau forces. Could have had female half-Ogryns among the Sisters. Could have come up with a special female Catachan unit. There are plenty of possible options, but those don't get rid of the idea of all-MALE factions. All-FEMALE factions are fine, but the lack of pre-2022 Twitter approved diversity among the flagship faction is just not something certain people want to tolerate. They can't come up with idea, they can only twist and distort things their betters have already created.

Watch me fix GW's fuckup. Yes, I am the "more tears" GK glazer. Watch me be better at their jobs than any GW writer.

>Emps gets off the chair
>uses his powers to stasis the amulet of seven hammers
>Draigo appears on Titan
>opens Secret Squirrel box
>tells the Knights what's up
>chapter loads up on strike cruiser
>goes to Terra
>Draigo says "Valdor, Guilliman, let's talk"
>shows them Decree
>Custodes must protect but also obey Emprah
>Decree creates internal conflict among them
>while this is going down, Draigo signals cruiser to 'port in whole chapter while Custodes unsure what to do
>sow confusion, Mexican standoffs, half of Custodes and SoS paralyzed by indecision, Draigo & pals go to throne
>Draigo, Valdor & Girlyman talk to Emps to distract/buy time
>Castellan Crowe throws Blade of Antwyr into throne, uber-daemon powers Astronomicon and holds back horde in the basement, it's power unwillingly being taken
>if status quo is God, Emps is talked down and sits back on the chair, Blade & uber daemon destroyed forever
>if the story must progress, psykers now fed to uber-daemon to sustain it's power that it's being forced to use to serve humanity, Emps regenerates as per perpetual (or dies, idgaf), Knights relocated to Terra to keep uber daemon in line.

Viola, no mary sue bullshit, the Decree is satisfied, no power level bullshit, maybe add in some gobbledygook about Draigo, the strongest *living* anti-daemon psyker in the universe doing something to the Blade to make it have no choice but to power the throne, shit, have the effort actually kill him so someone else not stuck in the Warp can take his place so the Knights can have a normal chapter master.

>>96262126
>their betters have already created.
You doi realise that 40k was created by british punk anarchists/leftists?

>>96246066
>xhe wants to see a tranny in a skinsuit
Ew

>>96261806
>seething about being caught as a newfag
lol

>>96261469
>Then why even give them an order in the first place?
Because otherwise the Grey Knights would never consider the idea of attacking the Emperor. He had to put it down in writing for them to understand the threat he himself poses to humanity.
>when they could foretell how to convey to them that they have a direct order from the Emperor and therefore the Custodes are soulbound to also follow that order?
The one thing a Custodes cannot do, is allow the Emperor to be harmed or slain. They are actually genetically forced to prevent it at any cost. Yes, they will even ignore the Emperor's own orders to prevent any harm from coming to him. They were ready to abandon Terra and drag him off the Golden Throne during the Siege of Terra, if there was no other choice. It doesn't matter if the Emperor himself tells them "Put me back on the damn Throne," they will interpret it as a mistake and ignore him.

>>96230960 (OP)
Who is more loyal?
The Custodes, who were created and programmed to be loyal, or the Space Marines, who choose to be loyal to the Emperor?

>>96267384
The custards are totally a propaganda army.
Their main victories are always against unprepared allies they just backstabbed. And half of those, they get bloodied anyway.

only read half of this thread and what's most hilarous is people unironically using Draigo as argument and his "achievements" as real
sure it's not only summer, but also 2025

>>96262617
By copy/pasting from other sources, mostly Dune. Also this is far more of a modern problem, they used to not be such completely retarded assholes.

>>96267422
Draigo's deeds are completely legit and in line with canon. And I dare you to try to claim otherwise.

>>96231002
>It should be in BL slop rather than an actual part of the game.

Fuck I hate secondaries.

>>96267614
Of course they're legit and canon, i wouldn't dare to claim otherwise! After all, he's Tzeentch favorite fucktoy that defeated Khorne seven times by now and conquered every chaos realm twice per year!

>>96267678
holy cope

>>96267678
He's not only one of the most powerful psykers in the galaxy, he's specifically an anti-daemon psyker. That means it's perfectly fine for him to exert the power he does over the Warp, a dimension entirely based on being influenced and exploitable by psykers. A psyker like Draigo, with GK training and unbreakable belief in the Emperor and himself, would 100% bend the Warp around him to his will, it just goes back to the way things were when he moves on. Absolutely nothing about this is out of line or deviates from canon.
>but he beat
Yes, he defeats powerful daemons, consistently. Almost like he's the chapter master of the anti-daemon chapter and a post-human super soldier in addition to constantly radiating daemon kryptonite at all times.
>but Mortarion
A daemon. Which makes him vulnerable to Draigo, far more so that an equivalent enemy of equal potency, Primarch or not.
>but Nurgle plagues
A virus is a living organism. That makes the plagues Nurgle makes, in the Warp keep in mind, teeny tiny daemons. Meaning they're more likely than not to burn to nothing just getting close to someone like a powerful Grey Knight. As for more mundane plagues, he's still, you know, a Space Marine.
>but the last chapter master died from
He wasn't as powerful a psyker, was he? Not all chapter masters are created equal. In fact to the best of my recollection no chapter masters but Draigo are psykers at all. So, he's the most powerful Space Marine in the galaxy. And again, he's especially powerful against daemons. So his victories against them are perfectly fine. Now, if he was doing this shit against C'tan, Szarekh or someone similar, then yes, you would actually have a reason to bitch. But as things are, you don't.

>>96267634
okay faggot you tell me how this off hand blurb about a decade old mystery that has no actual impact on the game getting revealed is better than having a dedicated book to flesh it out
maybe stop being such a iron warrior bitter ass brick shit house and enjoy the lore of the game beyond what GW shits out into the rulebook to fill up space between the new game rule revisions that will nerf your ebay bought army for another edition you autistic sperg with unthined paints

>>96261197
well you also have to consider the primarchs siding with them if they think they can do a better job which has always been Gulliman's flaw is a belief that he is smarter than everyone else in the room
if Gulliman was anything less than 1000% sure that an Emps revival was certain or that Emps was at risk of becoming some warp god which he always hated he might actual side with the GK
and besides in the indominus crusade books its revealed most custodes dont like him that much and one is actively trying to convince the others to kill him "preventively" before he can usurp big E

>>96267756
newfriend
>>96267876
I specifically mentioned how time has passed because I was referencing 5th edition codex and a lot of bullshit GK got that turned people off so ahrd that it took 3 ditions and couple of writers to save it(draigo being able to solo greater demons as fresh SM, the famous khornate knights, GK being literal smurfs on steroid that can nevr go wrong or lose) and now you have GW being afraid of making them slightly stronger or enigmatic terminus being just "don't let the big e out of the toilet".
I'm perfectly fine with newest retcons like him struggling to beat Mortation who yet again gets fucked by his own hubris, or actually needing help, instead of being a literal who that from the get go gets greatest achievements for little to no effort. His legacy will be still flawed by Ward's faggotry even if other writers did a good job of making his victories and honors hard earned
as per warp happy tour, his greantess end there due to nature of the warp. He's lunatic and it works perfectly with the warp. But he's not even a cataclysm or a storm. Just something like a very rainy day, because nothing he does there lasts or have significant effect on anything
that's why, at least for me personally, it's kind of hilarous seeying people reference Draigo so seriously

>>96236288
>This plot point was so fucking stupid
It is now stupid. Originally psychic powers wasn't banned. Nikea council banned sorcery and old lore treated them as different methods, same results to manipulate the warp.
Nowadays Nikea banned psychic powers and and I'm baffled why GW changed it. Maybe cause actual writers didn't understand the difference between sorcery and psychic powers, like they didn't understand Godwin bolter pattern is not .998 cal, it was the adoption date, year 998 m41.

>>96270586
>it was the adoption date, year 998 m41
Funny thing is that actually makes less sense than a ridiculous .998 caliber gun, because it means that the standard boltgun used carried by almost every miniature and depicted in almost every piece of art across every single chapter across every single period of post-Heresy 40k history only entered service mere moments before the 13th Black Crusade.

>>96231002
First post, best example.

Oh, well, that's what you get when you treat open-ended fluff as questions to be rubber-stamped later instead of an invitation to dream up your own conclusions.

The reaction to it mainly seems like triggered Custodes players desu.

>>96244832
Primaris, powerwank and operatorfags are pure cancer. I like the Imperium because it's a nightmarish dystopian theocracy. I don't want it to be more efficient or good or cool. I want the blinded fanatics putting needles through their faces and charging at the enemy naked with chainswords.

>>96262617
>You doi realise that 40k was created by british punk anarchists/leftists?
common mistake, it was produced by a bunch of history nerds that loved 2000ad too much.
the 2000ad is where the leftism comes from.
see nemesis, rogue trooper and judge dredd and you have the ENTIRE AESTHETIC of 40k until 97-00

>>96270586
No, it was always stupid. Magnus was forbidden from trying to contact the Emperor telepathically in the old lore as much as the new lore. He violated that command to contact him, ruining the Webway. That's always been true.

>>96232470
I mean, what are you making the supersoldier for?
If it's an environment with a lot of radiation or mutation, I'd prefer the female supersoldier for having a much more robust backup for their chromosomes.

>>96275094
>having a much more robust backup for their chromosomes.
...do you mean PMS? I dunno if I'd want a super soldier that's only useful once a month.
>I mean, what are you making the supersoldier for?
War. So why pick the gender that sucks at it? Man+gene-seed>woman+gene-seed, because men have a head start.

>>96275701
>do you mean PMS
No, the X chromosome carries significantly more information than the Y, and results in across the board slower cellular decay, lesser rates of cancer, lesser rates of telomere degeneration, lesser rates of spontaneous mutation, and so on and so on. The Y chromosome is inherently genetically unstable, which is a good thing evolutionarily but might be bad if you are expected to be on radiation land for a long time.

>war
What kind of war?
You need a vastly different supersoldier against chaos than you do against the tau.

>>96275756
>You need a vastly different supersoldier against chaos than you do against the tau.
Which is why you pick men. Naturally stronger, tougher, more aggressive, evolved to be the gender that fights and not the one that nurtures. Women that can fight, and men that can't, are the deviations, not the norm.

>>96275788
I'd want someone significantly less aggressive to fight chaos, though.
And more genetically robust.

>>96275790
>>96275788
honestly, there's some designs for von neumann probes with a required amount of genders in the 30ish range that has such a minimal rate of mutation that it won't mutate until after the end of the universe happens. I think they're based on the clusterfuck that is mushrooms. I wonder if there's some way I can adapt this technique to make quite hard to mutate battle boys. creatures.

>>96275790
>significantly less aggressive to fight chaos
only a quarter of Chaos forces give a shit about aggression, and there's a lot more things out there to fight. So, your anti-Khorne super soldiers are less aggressive, great. They're also less at everything else too, and fucking lose anyway. Know who are among the first to say women shouldn't be in combat? Women who have been in combat.

>>96275843
Anon I've moved past women and onto a more stable chromosome configuration of a few dozen sexual parts.

>>96262188
>Draigo is dragged back into the warp before he has a chance to open the box since there are no demons present to kill
>The Emperor ascends and resets the timeline to before the eye of terror pussy-rips itself in half and fucks up the setting

Matt Ward undone.

>>96231038
>>96231002
I hate that I have to bring up the meta reason most fear: entryism.
It's pretty obvious it was because GW is trying to become mainstream and therefore adopting mainstream ideologies into lore.

Dont get me wrong, it doesnt work lorewise either, but the entryism by people that have ruined quite a few other IPs is much worse than lore issues.

It's seen as a foot in the door by the katheline Kennedy/sarkeesian types. For good reason, imo

>>96245426
That's absolute absurdity and grimderp. The haemonculus probably went a bit more insane than usual because he was a member of a typically psychically keen species, from a caste of them that are notoriously awful and basically living conduits for suffering energy, being put on the most religiously and thus psychically significant planet of the biggest empire in the galaxy, wherein a literal God is kept in near-death, suffering endlessly for his people.

The objective reality of the situation is, Imperium is shitty, and Commoragh is evil edgelord dimension supreme. Which is why it's fun as a place and the Dark Eldar are fun as a faction, but, like. Come on. Who on earth buys this shit about the people EXISTING off of cruelty and viciousness being less cruel and vicious than a fairly awful human theocracy?

>>96274864
>2000ad
>not punk anarchists

>>96275094
>I mean, what are you making the supersoldier for?
Does it matter? If the end result is sterile (canon) male presenting (space marines resemble their primarchs, have high levels of testosterone and muscle, and are generally described as equally wide as they are big), why start with a female body?

Also, there is a logistical end of it. Not many people survive the space marine transformation, so better to stick to one gender so you're not potentially wiping a whole generation out. Leaving the women to continue the population makes sense too.

>>96231038
>or did people have other reasons
How about it being fucking lame? We already have female space marines, they are called Sisters of Battle, they use bolters, have power armor and prey to the emperor, they are the battle nuns to the space marines battle monks so there is no need for femstodes or femmarines or whatever the fuck
>why yes this is Battle Sister Vaginus she likes poetry and killing the enemies of the emperor^_^
???
What the fuck is the point of this? The more you think about it the more disgusting it becomes, you couldn't even call it a female custodes because thanks to all the testosterone she must have a floppy clit the size of my forearm. It just the usual made-by-committee business bullshit that ruined so many other sci-fi settings, can't have anything problematic, no no no, everything has to be 100% advertiser friendly hecking wholesome slop.

>>96232528
I'll leave this here

>>96275756
>You need a vastly different supersoldier against chaos than you do against the tau.
"Hold my combat drugs."

>>96281103
>We already have female space marines, they are called Sisters of Battle
Sisters are not female marines. They are not at all similiar to one another.

>>96282876
In-universe they might not be the same but from a story telling perspective they are. If you want to tell a story about a sisterhood with big guns and power armor fighting the enemies of Mankind while inspiring the grunts from the Imperial Guard with their zeal and awesome powers you can already do that with the Sisters of Battle, you don't need "female" Space Marines for that. If you are a powerlevelfag you can even jerk your dick to Living Saints being some of the most powerful beings in the Imperium. Female marines are utterly pointless and would only water down the setting. The only reason why GW is interested in them is because somewhere some retarded pencil pusher thinks that female marines would finally get women to drop big bucks on miniatures.

>>96232546
There actually isn't any fluff on the matter. Nobody ever said that marines are sterile even.
I think even custodians are only made so in nulore(so they didn't).

Genetically-engineered is actually a misnomer, as you got it right, marines are simply best of the best, implanted with new artificial organs to further enhance them to superhuman level.

It's not that they are incapable of sex, they're just really not interested and have no time for it.

>>96284296
'Gene'seed
>genetically engineered is a misnomer
Get the fuck out you secondary

>>96277325
The Adeptus Administratum headquarters is on Terra.

>>96290225
Which is great and all, but Administratum clerks do not exist off of human suffering and anguish. Those are a byproduct of their feasting, but not the intention. Clerks exist off of people's time being wasted, and, therefore, are chronoparasites, not suffering-parasites. They're basically the Hrud, except somewhat less slimy and overall a bit dryer.

>>96234065
They could. Surely the emperors final creation would have something just for it.

>>96244697
This is unironically true but always has been. Whats fucking wild is GK armies are being bought by new players in mass right now

Rolled 10 (1d10)

>>96230960 (OP)
1 to 10?

>>96247400
In the omnibus and others Grey Knights seem oddly kind and respectful to others outside of their order, including Imperial Guard and Xenos

>>96254214
This doesnt really work, even in Custodes books custodes know Grey Knights are above space marines and that Grey Knights exist because the Custodes were not what bigE wanted

>>96261806
proves him right thoughbeit

>>96298233
Since they're going to kill their allies, the GK need to be as polite as possible so they don't spook them.

>>96290124
Geneseed itself is genetically engineered, numbnuts.
The marine himself isn't substantially affected beyond superficial effects, he's still a human slapped with of wetware.

>>96261809
The dude is exagerating but this is literally a lot of sci-fi settings

>>96299646
To explain what you said, geneseed is basically modifying the human genome so they can not only be skilled, experienced fighters but also can perfectly synchronize with power armor and maxify it's fighting
There's a reason why factions within the Imperium must modify or create Power Armors to use it and they still struggle to do so.
A Inquisitor with Power armor gets the defense but is sluggish, even if he's connected to it.

>>96299705
No it isn't. Geneseed is a recipe for vat-growing a bunch of unusual implants that overclock a human body into superhumanity. Hence why only certain people are able to survive a transition intact. As opposed to simply taking a human, and genetically modifying an individual to "naturally" be superhuman.

And powearmour interfacing is one of the minor modifications, if anything.
Know what a Mind Impulse Unit is? It's available for everyone. Black Carapace is something similar, and theoretically could have been adapted.

>>96231038
What you and most of the replies are missing here is that GW doesn't give a single shit about the lore anymore and will just shove whatever they want into the story regardless of contradictions or even basic logic. If the introduction of Primaris didn't teach you that, I don't know what will.
Nah, this is just GW following the Disney route and trying to appeal to the mythical wider audience in hopes of becoming mainstream and please investors, a process that always spoils the product. That's it, that's all there is to it.

>>96281327
That's a Culexus. The Eversor is the drug one.

>>96299961
Oh indeed, Primaris and Cawl proved that the "lore" doesn't matter.

>>96299937
I know what a MIU is because a Dreadnought literally decided to connect itself with a tank using it's sarcophagi(last time I checked).
That being said, still doesn't change that the Gene-seed modifies the human genome. I just went full retard and forgot the implanting organs part.

>>96300139
As opposed to
>Ollianus Pious went from being just a made up myth of a Guardsman to a Custodes or a Space Marine to then just being an actual immortal Ex-soldier
>The Emperor Going from just a corpse of a powerful man to an actual God to then just powerful atheistic man turned into a legit God
>The Word Bearers going from turncoats after the Emperor berated them to Fanatics chastised for turning the Imperial Truth into a Creed
>Angron being noble warrior turned frothing berserker to a broken man driven by grief and hate