Thread 96294516

Wurzzag, and his great green pecs, edition

>Resources:
WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwh
WM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgeba
WFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6
Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H

>TOW:
https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXS
https://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/

>Warhammer Chronicles:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip
>Time of Legends:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip
>The End Times:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip

>Alternative Models:
https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL

>Previous Thread
>>96274688

>TQ
How much flesh does your army show off? Why aren't they borderline naked?

>>96294516 (OP)
Beastmen only need a loincloth, bigger ones wear armour.

Empire needs their hat and cups, how else would people know how important they are?

The most epic dance duel of all.

I can not figure out where these two interior chest pieces go or what they're supposed to connect to.

I was only going to build the legs tonight, but I did and I wasn't sure I had all the waist parts aligned properly so I thought I'd go ahead and do the torso so I could get in place and make sure I had everything correct, but then I hit these two weird pieces and it's late and I might just go to bed and hope it makes sense in the morning

The bullherd is coming for ya

>>96295180
Keep it up Anon, looking good!!

I have no fucking idea how to interpret this image guys, I'll leave it to you.

>>96295272
Don't just take a shit and not clean it up

>>96295180
>no we can't just make minotaurs look good, we have to make them copyrightable

>>96295356
What the fuck are you talking about there's nothing on the model that isn't just 'generic minotaur'

>>96295382
If only, then it might look decent.

>>96295101
Yeah, that part (and many other) sucked.
This video helped me a bit.
https://youtu.be/aXuxx64xv0g?si=C1STEGFx23Bgxkok

>>96295383
Point to me right now the part on the sculpt that is definitively "Warhammer"

>>96295398
The whole shit design that looks nothing like a minotaur.

>>96295409
Your a fucking nigger bro get off the Internet monkey it's not for you

These are coming along okay I think.

>>96295394
Now I finally see what people are complaining about, though I already ran into some of the specialist game design quirks with 30k mechanicum models. So many tiny fiddly bits

I managed to play a game yesterday.
1500 points chance encounter, dwarf expeditionary force vs vampires.
My dwarfs were stuck and pressured in my half of the table for 4 turns, until a lucky doomseeker with runic axes opened a path to the ethereal necromancer.
When the undead started crumbling my firepower got much more effective.
The centre of my formation still got destroyed by the only remaning undead: the dreaded skeletons with spears.

>>96295476
>L shaped ruins

JK bro looks good, are skeletons with spears really that bad? Havnt played VC

>>96295500
It's an endless tarpit, and fighting on 3 ranks they have a high volume of attacks.
Additionally: wight lord BSB with helm of +D3 WS, always rolling 5 or 6.
I only had naked dwarfs to tank 24 attacks at WS 5 per round.

>>96295476
Good stuff anon, what was the final score?
And I don't suppose you know where that battlemat is from? It's difficult to find nice uniform understated mats, especially badlands. Most of them have some mega high contrast photo printed on, or pictures of 2d terrain, or similar.

>>96294516 (OP)
>>TQ
>How much flesh does your army show off?
None
>Why aren't they borderline naked?
They are :^)

>>96295560
>None
is it?

>>96295639
Could sink ships with those torpedos

>>96295550
>score
Random game length got the undead tabled. 1500 + 4x uncontested table quarters + general kill + 2 banners.
Dwarfs lost 550 points (75 from the doomseeker that survived, great shame).

>mat
Don't know the specifics. But it's vinyl and two-sided: green field and desert.

>>96295425
Interesting with the bright blue/cyan. I'm really curious to see them done.

>>96295550
Looks like playmaty

>>96291716
>Miao Ying didn't fuck Sigmar,
Yes she did.

>>96289724
>>96289772
Wait. I actually managed on my own.
Just had to restart the PC and stay offline.
Btw what the fuck is this supposed to be?

>>96295846
why would sigmar fuck miao ying? his one and only love was ravenna

>>96295920
Sigmar did have sex with several women for the sake of diplomacy in BL series, so it's not beyond the pale to see him bonking Miao Ying just to get better relations with another friendly kingdom

>>96295037
>AND WE SAID NAH, WE'Z JUST BOYZ!

>>96295853
looks like a very angry demon

>>96295920
For political reasons.
Ravenna may be his love but for the furtherance of his own goals,he's ready to fuck any other woman.
>pic semi-related
Also, it wouldn't surprise me if Miao Ying hadn't left a lasting impression on Sigmar, for why else would he travel towards the East during his ending years?

>>96295934
>Sigmar did have sex with several women for the sake of diplomacy in BL series
did he?
surely not to give heirs, he was against that

>>96295982
>why else would he travel towards the East during his ending years?
The reason up until now was to go give back the hammer to the dwarfs, I think?

>>96295985
He didn't marry these women, so I think they would be bastards and thus not eligible for inheriting titles. But he did have kids otherwise, Volkmar couldn't have been his descendant.

>>96295990
which he never did, mostly due to shoving Ghal Maraz into a Demon in Black Fire Pass.

Might have a game against empire+dwarfs tomorrow, and probably another game against tomb kings too if I am lucky!
Wish me luck anons!

>>96296002
>which he never did
He accidentally into godhood on the way, ok?
if the tow-rebranded 'legend of sigmar' book sells well they're going to write about his voyage east, aren't they?

>>96296028
>spoiler
No, McNiel wanted to do another book series, which was about Sigamr's voyage east until he reached the Tree of Hope in the far east and apotheosised into Godhood, but BL/GW were already planning the End times at that point.
This new collection is just the older Sigmar stories he's already done.

>>96296017
Godspeed anon, hope you earn a page in the book of grudges

bit weird how people who like miao ying indulge in the sigmar cuckoldry

>>96295990
Your hammer is now in Nan-Gau armory.

>>96296126
Is that a euphemism?

>>96295383
It is generic. It's just badly proportioned.

>>96296130
It is now.

>>96296093
I mean the very first day they introduced her (for TWW) they present her as "cold and aloof".
And "cold and aloof" is also exactly how the Imperial dragon in Altdorf (the one only K.F can mount) is described so the joke was easy and people have been shipping her with emperor for a long time now.
Also how is that cuckoldry ?

FUCK THIS BELT. JESUS CHRIST

>>96296131
That's already a huge improvement

>>96296354
>those seams
Oof. I’m definitely avoiding this faction. I like the cannons but im gonna wait for peasants to be a thing.

>>96295540
Some like the helmet was a good investment.
>>96296354
Your punishment for playing TWW faction.
>>96296373
It's even older then the GW minotaurs. So they could have done better, they just chose not to.

Has anyone attempted to take the mounted KOTR heads and put them on the Foot Knight kit?
I'm having a bit of trouble getting it to work because of the cloth coming off the back of the mounted knights heads.

>>96296389
>Your punishment for playing TWW faction.
Fantasy China is just cool, man

>>96296017
Rape much man-flesh anon

>>96296385
>some basic plastic putty/greenstuff filling on your massive centerpiece model is beyond the ability of the average poster here.

>>96296400
I agree. But I also think GW/Sega did a bag job.

>>96296478
I think they're decently cool chinese toy soldiers and no one else seems to be providing alternatives besides some bad looking historicals.

>>96296354
I wonder what the fuck the guy tasked with separating the parts was smoking
There's absolutely no reason to split this kit like he did

>>96296494
It was separated by an AI algorithm.
>>96296490
I think there are a lot of alternatives out there, if you look.

>>96295476
Great pic man and good job killing the necromancer. Seems VC are mostly necromantic centric. Hell, even my undead opponent had a necro general with one throwaway vampires.

Was this always the case?

>>96296533
I don’t remember counts having such zetsy queer representation

>>96296550
vampires and vampires fans have always been faggots

>>96296519
proont slop is instantly dismissed

>>96296610
well, you shouldn't

>>96296519
I prefer these troops over what nu-Cathay got

>>96296550
That sculpt has been around for over thirty years.
https://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=4521_Necromancers

>>96296490
wonder when those WGA Han models will be released

>>96296533
I think it was always a case of hide-the-general to avoid crumbling.
Vampires are melee-oriented, so always at risk.
Maybe in Fantasy there were better options for a vampire wizard archetype (necrarchs). Now I always see necromancers as general and caster, Wight BSB for buffs and sometimes vampires for melee damage.

>>96296610
y tho

>>96297072
Odds are his mom won't let him have a printer because of the fumes.

I do not like working on plague monks
They are bad models

>>96297206
They are 4 pieces anon
They are also 20 years old

>>96297219
>They are also 20 years old
Yeah and that means their moldlines are so thick I have to carve them out instead of the regular scraping

>>96295356
You can't copyright ugly.

>>96296478
>tfw lost all my funny blood sacrifice T'ien Ch'i screenshots

>>96296766
>>96296533

The current options for vampires in ToW are rather weak compared to older editions.
Crumbling wasn't that scary when your vampire general is the strongest thing on the table.

So Vampire Counts in ToW returned to a style from the past, before the first Vampire Counts armybook even released. Just playing general undead with a dash of pointy teethed faggots here and there.

>>96294516 (OP)
This OP image is LITERALLY AoS art

>>96297371
It's alright if there aren't aos-exclusive stuff

>>96295734
I'm taking inspiration from this scheme I found.

>>96296766
Somewhat ironic that VC became like Heinrich Kemmler imitators. I always liked the idea of a Necromantic lead VC army, ironically the vampires is what put me off.

>>96297366
I thought in 5th and 6th, Vampire lords were essentially one man armies. Were they that badly nerfed?

>>96297371
Nuh uh. Aos doesn’t have the badlands

Do Bretonnian cities have sewer systems? With their tendency towards tech regression I wouldn't be surprised if that's something they lack, but if so, where are all their Skaven hanging out? And on the topic, which species, factions and nations do you figure lack plumbing? I feel like elves just magic if away.

>>96297097
Even without a printer you can get this stuff cheap from Etsy.

>>96297366
crumbling is also less scary now when you have regeneration

>>96297787
That's basically GW prices

>>96297846
For 20?
I didn't think GW let cavalry get under $5 a model.

>>96297566
>upper teeth visible
That's an AoS only thing

>>96297956
nah, far from it

>>96297566
>>96297687
> Literal AoTroon supporters
There MUST be a purge of the unbelievers

>>96297654
>nerfed
Hard to say. The profile is still good and you have some options, but you really have to choose your engagement. Either you move with a big block, and blend in safety, move with cavalry and hope to hit hard on the charge, or fly around and risk destruction by combat res every time.
My dwarf experiences are experiences:
>dwarf warriors initially hold a charge of black knight + vamp, but get terror routed on the following round, run and die.
>hammerers tank a charge of black knight + vamp, and a few die, then the king directs 6 attacks of great weapon on the vamp, removing it.
>Thunderers + sapper with bazooka hold a charge of black knight + vamp, only the vamp makes it. Kills the champion in a challenge, then dies by combat res.
>flying vamp faces 14 longbeards, kills 10 over a few rounds. Is cut down by great axes and combat res.

>>96297788
You loose regeneration when you lose the general and start crumbling.

>>96297992
post art of fantasy battle having as much muscle kino on here like op image

>>96298008
nah, fantasy is far from not having that too

just don't be dumb one way or another

>>96298109
>posts a fat guy

>>96298130
you don't seem to understand how muscles and fat work and look

>>96298144
Is this achievable natty??

>>96298191
Take creatine intravenously

>>96298144
>posts an animal used as a slur for obose "people"
Hit the gym nerd

>>96298221
"orc" is not particularly flattering either, anon

>>96296533
Necromancers were always great but vampires never sucked as much as they suck now. They cost a huge fuck ton of points for no good reason. VC on dragon was kind of playable before but now I see no reason to ever pay for a vampire. Which is sad.

>>96298008
Faggot.

>>96298313
If you cant appreciate the ideal form without having thoughts relating to sodomy, then you, my gay little friend, are in the closet.

>>96297687
They've got an entire planet-sized badlands

>>96294516 (OP)
Ostermark is not a land of harlots and whores
>>96295734
Nice bat rep, I will be trying scenario pack first time with my new empire so hoping it's fun.
>>96296017
Good luck beastbro
>what are you guys working on?
While some of you guys are being baited I'm on an eternal quest of finding mold lines and having to shave them down (sometimes again) re prime and re shade for my Aurith river patrol. Will 100% be more aggressive and diligent for state troops before priming. Tbh , I really just wanted to play with a scheme and see if I liked it so here I am in mould hell. Have some games vs nurgle daemons Wednesday to look forward to and some pebble basing kit comming in.

Was it ever explained how or why some forest goblins grow extra eyes? Is the spider venom mutagenic? Is it just "lol warpstone did it" like half of the stuff in the setting?

>>96298394
Goblins, like trolls, are naturally prone to mutating.
There in addition to regular goblins, hobgoblins, night goblins and forest goblins the are are aquatic and flame spitting volcano goblins.

>>96298359
Recently found some big huge ones on a model I had already primed.
I decided fuck it.

>>96297654
>I always liked the idea of a Necromantic lead VC army
That's what Undead was in 4th edition. Very centred around the necromancers. There was also an experimental necromancer's horde army list at the back of the 6th edition book, which couldn't take vampires but almost all the chaff was a few points cheaper to compensate.
Personally I miss being able to field a big scary vampire in TOW but having grown up on 4th edition undead I quite like having the necromancers be back in charge. I actually refer to the army as undead when I'm writing lists and paint schemes now.

>>96297371
So ?

>>96298394
the spider god is a proper god, so it gives blessings
and also yes, spider venom probably fucks them up too

>cheap from Etsy
>70 bucks for proonter shit
>that's before shipping costs
might as well just buy James models since you're at least guaranteed quality.

>>96298756
3d was a solid alternative for a while
But now it's people buying patreon files and charging 20% discounts on GW prices
My LGS does that already and I don't end up with brittle resin I can't work on because of it

>>96294516 (OP)
Does anyone know the decryption key for the main wfb MEGA?

>>96294949
Beastmen have fur, they're not showing skin.

>>96298689
> The spider god is a proper god, so it gives blessings
example of those blessings

>>96299021
It’s sex with men.

>>96298319
You're not fooling anyone faggot.

>>96299347
anon, im sorry to say, but unless you look good in thigh highs im not interested.

>>96299379
That's faggot talk.

>>96299385
You really got gay people on the mind

>>96299424
No, just on the board.

>>96294516 (OP)
Almost done with my group of ungors

>>96298756
>Literally half GW prices
>Nice modern models with good proportions instead of decades old ape men
And that's just one option anon. I'm sure with more than 5 minutes of is looking you could find more.

>>96298516
Gnoblars too.

>>96294516 (OP)
After 20+ years, I repainted this fine fellow. I was initially thinking a 500 point army of Dwarfs but seeing this guy brought back nostalgia.

>>96299568
Grotfang! Leader of my 4th edition army back in the day too. Good choice anon.

>>96299667
Thanks man. Didn't know he was a character. He fought my friends lizard on carnosaur years ago. Nearly won...except a triple six to save the last wound. Now he is back for revenge!

>>96299503
If you look long and hard enough you might find something, but more often than not Etsy prices end up being barely competitive with GW prices once you add in shipping. It could be better for you depending on your location, but for me it's usually in the 15-20 eurobux range. Add that on the Etsy price and it's not all that competitive anymore. More often than not I might be looking at saving 10-20% per model but the flipside is that it' resin and unless I've verified that the printer is selling good shit it's a gamble as I've gotten a lot of bad models that I had to refund. Given that Warhammer is a luxury hobby as it is the few extra euros I shell out to James for guaranteed quality is well worth it.
I only use proxies and 3rd parties if I want models that James doesn't supply anymore, like the Fabelzel Chaos Dwarfs or iron recasts of old sculpts. Proxying existing ranges nets me with an army that will mostly cost the same and at least to me won't look as good as I've not seen many proxies that looked like proper Warham minis, but that's a personal opinion. If you see a proxy range you like more then definitely go for it. I just don't think the monetary discussion here really holds up anymore.

>>96299938
I can only speak to the land of chicken fried steak, but here I've noted some etsy is super cheap but mid to shit quality, and shipping often does kill it. However many smaller shops are willing to play ball so like my buddy constantly gets new armies for 1/3rd price, many with good prints but admittedly some shit ones.
As for me, being in the land of consumption I find with patience I get armies super cheap from people offloading projects. I got wood elves for virtually free and a bunch of empire for less than half of msrp. I have to fix others models but worth it.
I also have a 3d printer but it's an older model so the quality is limited. The new ones I think are very capable and I think it's the most efficent route to get into the hobby. I personally don't find the 3d print hobby fun as kitbashing and rescuing models but I think it's worth it for many on limited budget. Just agree too many 3d printers make "their dudes" over established asthetics that look like trash but hey I'm not even cutting my mould lines properly so who am I to judge?

>>96300099
>too many 3d printers make "their dudes" over established asthetics
NTA but could you elaborate on what you mean by this a little more please? I prefer printing my armies (even though I have 3 full armies of gw plastic in the backlog) and I try hard to make them fit the Warhammer aesthetic but am always conscious that at the end of the day they're still not GW originals which might bother some opponents.

Speaking of folding established aesthetics.
Thinking about these for Squig Hoppers.

>>96300157
>>96299938 here.

At least for my point of view I can say that if someone wants to play against me with an army that doesn't fit the established aesthetic then I'm super OK with that. It's just not the kind of army I'd personally enjoy collecting as to me the Warhammer look is a strong part of the appeal, but if someone else wants to use different minis then that's just fine and doesn't bother me at all.

>>96300157
If your the empire anon like your stuff is great. I am mostly referring to how at least where I play a few 3d print anons have brought stuff that looks more warcraft or is just gender swapped cheesecake. All while they are like "I can't believe you still buy GW" with stuff that looks dorky, cheap, and at odds with the army it's supposed to represent.

>>96300157
Nta but I do think a lot of 3d designers seem to forget their shit is meant to be painted up and played with and the end of the day, which they don't really keep in mind when designing the sculpt. Then there's the general issue of stuff not matching the gw "feel" for a lack of a better word. I'm not entirely sure how to describe it, but yknow those models where you can just instantly tell they're 3d prints even when in a vacuum they're competently made and look decent.
Picrel is an example of sculpts I think manage to capture the (modern) gw sculpts perfectly. Would never have guessed they weren't official if I hadn't known. Unfortunately it seems they've also captured the gw pricing.

I'm so close. The left arm has a pretty solid connection point so I'm waiting for that to cure before I finagle on the right arm and weapon. The shoulder pads, then I try to figure out if there's a secure way to attach the streamers on the leg.

This has been an absolute fucking nightmare so I'm almost annoyed at how cool it looks already. I can already tell this is going to be like childbirth, I'll be so thrilled with the end result I'll forget about the pain and misery it took to get there, and pretty soon I'll be thinking about having another

Choose your TWWH Mortal Empires faction
>>96300046
Spain Iran Denmark Colorado Corinth Macedonia Missouri Poland-Lithuania Northumbria Wessex Neustria Nigeria Soviet Union Austria-Hungary Burgundy Venezuela Kurdistan Armenia Israel India Syria Mongols Yugoslavia Palestine Astrasia Prussia Vlad the Impaler Netherlands Norway Sweden Portugal Greenland Panama Morocco Egypt Pakistan California Kongo Jamaica Montreal Cuba Florida Phoenicians China Chicago Texas New York Brazil Australia Scotland Mexico Thailand Amazonians Sudan Iceland Chile Toronto Afghanistan Argentina Louisiana Venice Japan Finland

>>96296354
just tuck a nub of greenstuff behind the segments to help hold them in place while you glue them.

but yeah trying to just put it on raw it doesnt really fit or connect in any reasonable way

>>96300194
>to me the Warhammer look is a strong part of the appeal, but if someone else wants to use different minis then that's just fine and doesn't bother me at all
I understand that, I'm the same really. However, and forgive me if this is too deep lol, I think part of being a good Warhammer opponent is "putting on a good display" for the other player. To me that means a fully painted and based army, and one that's aesthetically pleasing to the opponent even if it's not their first choice of faction. Or in other words the aesthetics are as much 'in the spirit of the game' as the gameplay. So I think being tolerant of other people's unusual model choices is a sportsmanly thing to do, but in return they should try to build an army that their opponents will enjoy seeing and playing against also. Which imo means no Korean MMO style prints lol.

>>96300211
That makes sense. I would never have a go at someone for using the official models (even though I print my armies because I'm totally done with GW). I would hope my opponent was respectful of my army and I would be offering the same respect of theirs in turn. As for cheesecake, yeah that's bad. I tried extra hard to find a vampire countess model that had no whiff of cheesecake about her, couldn't find any, and in the end I digitally sculpted a more vampiric face onto some random fully clothed female baroness model.

>>96300355
I agree with all points. I try and find models that have the warhammer vibe and also a modest amount of detail to paint (and draw the eye to). I actually backed the Kickstarter for those rats too and have the whole set on a hard drive somewhere now, but had already started printing up another creator's (pic) which are decent but not excellent in terms of 'feel', however the creator is always excellent in terms of print quality so it was a nice quick army to print. Probably one I'd think twice about putting before an opponent though, unless the paintjob comes out great.

>>96295101
it sits on that little lip below the stone collar like a handlebar mustache shape.

once you put the rest of the chest over it, you cant really see it

>>96300487
I figured out why this kit sucks ass. They did all those textured rock pieces that go under the armor because they wanted you to be able to paint it glowing from within, like in the game. So you need those textured bits underneath to do the cool glow effects.

The problem is, they didn't realize that model kits are different from video game models. And on the actual kit in hand, those decorative gaps on the shins and around the belly are so small, you can't see shit. So the glowing effect doesn't work. It basically can't work, because the parts that would be the brightest are in the deepest shadow on the finished kit.

That's why the shins are 8 parts each and the torso has a big u of plastic hanging from a tiny scrap of plastic on the inside. To give you the option to do a literally impossible paint job

>>96300583
>the shins are 8 parts each and the torso has a big u of plastic hanging from a tiny scrap of plastic on the inside
A lot of modern GW kits have the garbage sprue design problem. I legitimately can't tell if it's done to save a few millimetres of packaging, fuck over kit bashing, or simply a result of the people who design the sprues being retarded.

>>96300583
Lmao, if that's true then some intern who designed the model has cost GW a lot of money in redundant R&D, tooling, and plastic, and has probably had a very serious talking to by now. Every now and then this kind of shit comes up in senior leadership team meetings, I'd pay good money to have been a fly on the wall in that meeting

>>96295476
Do you plan on painting your army any time soon?

>>96295550
>>96295734
>score
Isn't a bit ridiculous to keep some arbitrary "score??" The very fact a score is including makes this no longer a simulation of fantasy battle, but instead into a videogamified sports match.
An abstract "score" makes zero sense. There is no scoreboard on the battlefield, did you achieve any tactical or strategic goals or not?

>>96300827
fuck off retarded no models

>>96300834
Just say you don't have a counter argument

>>96300853
and just say you dont play games tourist

>>96300827
Its an easy enough abstraction
For example if we roll baggage carts that's self explanatory. If I get the waac circle as empire vs nurgle clearly summoning is afoot I must stop it before they or my own Allies reinforce.
The entire game is an abstraction to some point so objectives only make the game worse if the armies can't be headcanon'd which most of us have 0 issue doing
>tldr it's only an obstacle to those who already have a narrative or for the cognitively empty

>>96300184
Adorable. Do it

Tried my hand at making a few objectives for matched play with scraps. They were quick and easy to make but it's not ideal. I guess it really requires proper xps foam instead of eps.

>>96300827
I kind of agree with this sentiment and wish win conditions other than victory points was the norm.

My favourite experiences of warhammer are tied to playing sieges or last stand scenarios with infinitely recurring enemies where the 2 armies aren't even pretending to be balanced.

Letting the cement glue overnight and that's it, Sentinel built

Now I gotta figure out what to do with the base. There's so much blank space on it I feel like there's gotta be some kind of something on it.

>>96301064
Does it come with multiple poses?

>>96299448
Kek
This anon wins

>>96301116
The main thing is the arms, you can have left arm up or right arm up. On top of that you can have the head looking left or right, there are two different faceplates, and two different sets of blades for the weapon

pic related is all the options I didn't use

>>96301002
Already those are infinitely more SOVLful than the 40queer/AoTroon cuck circles.
Well done

>>96300472
> I think part of being a good Warhammer opponent is "putting on a good display" for the other player. To me that means a fully painted and based army
Objectively correct and anyone who thinks differently is a no games faggot.
Another maxim should be 'have a basic grasp of the rules of the game and your own fucking army,' constantly stopping to check rules or having to be explained that a rule doesn't work that way, or not informing your opponent of something that's open information about your army, is being inconsiderate

>>96301002
They aren't bad, just a bit plain. They get the job done.

I think there are two small issues holding them back. Firstly, they could use some other stuff around them to make a bit of a scene. A skull, a rat, an offering bowl, maybe even just a tuft or two and some little rocks. You don't want just a thing, you want a little scene.

Secondly, they are a bit plain. You could tie a rope around one like it's a place of worship or there's something magically sealed inside, add some chains like sometimes people are chained to them, add some blood like somebody got killed on one.

What you've got is totally serviceable, but if you want them to be full on cool you gotta add the little touches that imply a story or create an emotion

>>96300633

no, i've built a lot of the modern kits, this is something else. the sentinel is a whole different animal. modern GW kits can sometimes be a b bit of a jigsaw, but they mostly go together painlessly, you just cant pose them very easily.

the sentinel was completely different. shit that should have been 2 pieces was arbitrarily 15, almost nothing had guide pegs or notches, you were often asked to glue very large parts to other very large parts hanging on by nothing but a sliver millimeter of flat on flat plastic.and if any of those flat on flat attachments in the legs or arms are even slightly off, the outer relief carving segments then wont fit snug and the entire leg wont go together, but again because its all flat on flat with no guide pegs you also cant really dry fit it either.

this doesnt feel at all like any other GW or FW kit i've done in the last 20 years, it was fucking wild. i've built nagash, big archaon, lords of change and great unclean ones, the new kroak for age of sigmar, this thing was on a whole other level, nevermind that the instructions, instead of being printed in that high quality color coded modern style, were printed in black and white on news print and the instructions even left out a few steps when it came to building parts like the hands.

>>96301256
I agree, that's why I added the little tombstone near the coffin and I want to add a shovel on the other side. The EPS ones I'll just throw away eventually because the foam looks too bad so I didn't do extra work on them. I just needed them for a game Thursday..

Eventually I'll just print some cool ones I think. Nothing beat proonting.

>>96301449
Also important to note, the instructions are wrong. Step 1c there has you attaching part 11 to the shin, but there is nothing on the shin to hold it in place. If you try to glue that piece there you will probably fuck up. Part 11 has a peg that fits in the knee. If you attach part 11 to the knee before you connect the knee to the shin, it works fine.

There are other parts that aren't flat out wrong like that, but are much much easier if you build it out of order.

>>96301059
Based.

>>96300958
cringe

>>96301449
I love seeing consoomer slop buyers suffer.

>>96300827
Points make sense, if you're trying to accomplish multiple objectives. Like kill the enemy general AND hold the tower AND kill as many of the enemy as possible. Then you can weight how important each objective is against each other.

>>96301729
Almost as good as watching diorama sno games whine fruitlessly eh?

Do khorne "bunny ears" originate with the helmet style on these dudes from Conan the Barbarian? I understand the name khorne is derived from Crom so I suspect a similar inspiration

>>96301909
This style

I started painting my last remaining Thunderers.
It's surprising how far I can get in one evening, compared with squads of 40k models.

>>96302140
These look excellent anon, keep it up

>>96300827
(You)

>>96301729
no one cares what you think because you dont spend money

AoS tourist here, some guy in /aosg/ told me that the empire is and has always been the least popular army in WHFB and now TOW (or among the least popular) for some reason. they didn't really say why, but they said that other factions just outsell and overshadow the Empire.


I went to my LGS on Saturday, and while they don't stock as much TOW as they do 40k and AoS, I noticed that about 40-50% of the shelves were Empire of man.

Was that anon talking out of his ass and my experience was just coincidence, or is the empire really a niche faction?

>>96300583
Until I watched that build video I didn't even know it had those double layers

>>96302311
Empire has always been the most popular or like top 3. The thing is, in WHFB being "top" means like 12 to 15% of all players play empire. This isn't 40k or other games where 1 faction is like 1/3rd of all games. So YMMV.

>>96302311
>>96302361
No, they're mid. Not too popular and not unpopular.

>https://oldworldrankings.com/faction_stats

>>96301449
This is the difference between mainline GW and Specialist Games studios. I'm sure it's not all on purpose, especially when they had to convert all the resin kits to plastic there was probably no other way than to have all those tiny bits to keep that resin detail.

>>96302364
You really gonna try and shill tournament data from the worst strength empire ever has been having them middle of the pack proof? If we gonna do surveys why not use the ones asking armies played?
Or is this just bait?

>>96300827
That was me who asked the question. You're picking up too closely on the choice of word I used. I just wanted to know in a polite way if the dwarfs ended up drawing like everyone says they always do.

>>96302364
>>96302375
Infact go add the ranges from the 1.5 to now and tell me where empire sits. I'll wait.

>>96302364
Tournament data is very biased, there are way more Empire players than tomb kings in clubs.

>>96302368
got nothing to do with specialist games. the rest of the cathay range assembles normally and without issue, as does all the necromunda shit i've done.

whatever happened here, weather it was that they put a junior on the model division or their software had some kind of a problem with it or what, it is unique to the sentinel, not symptomatic of specialist games overall.

>>96302485
It does, different designers with different design philosophies. Though obviously not every kit is equally bad.

>>96302311
You're either making shit up or got baited.
Empire wasn't THE most popular (at least before tw wh) but it was always top 5 or 6. I'm guessing with the influx of total war zoomies they'll make top 3 easily nowadays.
>>96302364
Even though this graph kind of supports my argument I don't think it's a good idea to use tourney stats to represent this kind of thing. Empire is knocked down a bit because they're bad, tomb kings are really good so they're used more, but in casual play they're (unfortunately) among the least popular core factions.

Finished my Dragon Ogres, I'm gonna do the bases tomorrow and get a family picture of the 1k army then.

>>96302586
Nice looking DOgers Anon, I just finished a group of ungor raiders

Made a little poster for them as well with snippets of lore to go along with it.

>>96302661
>>96302667
Very nice as always Beastmanon.
Are you running them Full command? I only added a Half-Horn for leadership reasons.

>>96302673
If I get some more I will probably not build command. These were a unit of 10 raiders I had when I played WHFB in my early teens. Just repainted them to match my army.

WTF GW?!! One week after the Saturnine starter boxes are released and you're already planning to release Saturnine Terminators and MKII Veteran Squads as individual kits?!! Where the hell are my Jade Warriors, Jade Lancers, or Grand Cannons/Rockets kits? The Battalion boxes are always sold out and people need some way to pay for their core unit tax and buy extra cannons!

>>96302722
Cathay is still selling well as a battalion box wereas the HH box is considered a flop

>>96302722
the cathay battalion is a product that's meant to stay up and running, they want as many people as possible to get into cathay as an army, rather than getting just a kit as a novelty

>>96302730
>>96302737
>Battalion boxes are always sold out.
>The Shugengan, Lanterns, Sentinels, and Gate Masters remain unsold because they can't be played until the Jade Warrior/Lancer Core tax is paid.
>The only way to get more cannons is to buy more battalion boxes.

>>96302753
how many cannons do you need?

>>96302722
>The Battalion boxes are always sold
Element Games still has some and will ship to Europe like many UK stores.
If you're across the pond you're probably out of luck.

>>96302767
6 is a good start

>>96302886
Yes, I will take an ogre loader for each of the 6 canon.

What weapons would you give to chaos warriors with mark of khorne?

>>96303025
Neat unit.
I would give them the weapon of not having the mark of khorne so that they're not shit.

>>96303042
I don't know why you comment on something if you don't want to adopt the premise.

>>96301777
I love snow dioramas.

>>96303048
isn't that what you just did

>>96303025
Speaking from experience, not additional hand weapons. Hand weapons and shields will do the job just fine and actually give you an acceptable armor save.

>>96303025
Hand weapon and shields. 4+ armour save and 3+ in melee. Also -1 AP where additional hand weapons only gives you a 5+ armour save and no AP.

>>96303063
3+ is more than acceptable

but great weapons are always the best option

>>96302886
A couple of cannons are missing from that pic.

>>96303126
The 4+ against shooting is barely acceptable but it's infinitely better than the alternative. Trust me, my AHW khorne warriors and their pathetic 5+ get obliterated by shooting every single game. Give them shields. GWs are a waste of their good initiative, but that's not as relevant now because you're going to want to be charging to make use of Frenzy. Good luck with that, by the way. 10" max charge distance... what the hell were they thinking?

>>96303184
Use the taskmaster's scourge on the champion. +D3 movement per turn BEFORE charges declared.

>>96303173
That's some hideous ass AoS shit

>>96303267
>That's some hideous ass AoS shit
Are you stupid?
The Hellcannon was originally released in 6th edition, and it is currently available to both Warriors of Chaos and Chorfs (Legacy).

>>96303267
You are a bit silly

>>96303273
So it was a little early to the hideous AoS slop party. And?

>>96303267
The upcoming AoS cannon looks better than this tho.

>>96303173
that one shoots like a catapult, it doesn't count

>>96303276
>And?
And you're wrong in saying that it's "some hideous ass AoS shit". That what.
You can certainly argue that it's an ugly cannon, though imo the 3 chorfs that come with the cannon are great-looking.
>>96303296
So it behaves like a bombard cannon, it still counts.

>>96303301
>though imo the 3 chorfs that come with the cannon are great-looking.
Those are bad too.

>>96303267
turn off the webcam

>>96303301
>it still counts.
no, it doesn't, you nogame assface.

>>96303315
>old good
If that exact cannon came out today this general would fucking savage it.

>>96303305
>>96303322
You have shit taste.

>>96303305
No they're not.
>>96303321
Yes it does, you illiterate buttface.

>>96303322
I wouldn't, because unlike you, I judge shit for its qualities, not out of some blind factionism.

>>96303327
>Yes it does
No, it doesn't, the image is about gameplay, not your nogame semantics, you mongoloid.

>>96303025
how did you paint these? they look great

>>96303305
Where's the problem?

>>96303381
in anon's brain

>>96303381
I'm not into BDSM midgets in diapers.Thankfully FW salvaged this pisspoor take on chorfs later on.

>>96303402
then paint them with pants

you do know you can paint the models, right?

Any of you that play 6th edition with Tomb King, how useful are skeleton heavy cavalry or light cavalry? Also should I go to skeleton warrios with spears amd shields or for archers?

>>96303438
Why would I want to own ugly models?

>>96303440
only women want to own pretty models

>>96303438
I like how these look, but I just can't take ducklips seriously. It just cracks me up.

>>96303440
No idea, but we're talking about the hellcannon here, stay on track.

>>96303336
The image is about what it is, and what it is is a HellCANNON. The only one bringing up semantics is you, you troglodyte.

>>96303493
>The image is about what it is
No, it's about the rules

WHY do you think anyone would hate cannons specifically? Absurd nogame faggot

Spoonfeed me kindly: which game system is going to properly inherit Dragon Ogres - AoS or OW? Or are they gonna be squatted in both as an option? I am confused and I haven't been keeping up at all with the whole BoC debacle.

>>96303558
AoS already lost them, TOW already got them, in both beastmen and chaos warriors, and both the 8th ed plastic unit and the 6th ed metal/resin shaggoth.

If AoS is ever going to get them again, it will be with brand new separate models.

>>96303558
>>96303583
I recall they basically remade them, but as vampire dragon centaurs

>>96303605
AoS has a number of centaurs, but they're all unrelated to dragon ogres

>>96303025
Two hand weapons is my main Khorne choice. Double the killy.

>>96303505
Because you're being baited by our resident shitposter who has 0 games and 0 actual warhammer knowledge.

>>96302542
In a recent YouTube survey they were top and grace quite a few other forum polls.
I'd say there's not way they are or have been less than top 5 since....forever

No one here might care, but I took the liberty to make the backgrounds of all banners & portraits from SotHR transparent, and even increased their image sizes.
Here they are if anyone wants:

https://litter.catbox.moe/enm0xmywmh7ohz8y.rar

>>96303292
It really doesn't, it's some retarded cubic shit

>>96303439
Well shit anon I was going to ask about 6th TK myself, thinking about how many chariots is too much. For you though I think the heavy cav have been lackluster compared to the archers but if you like them far be it from me to stop you.

>>96303267
It's a cannon with organs. It's a literal organ gun. I like it.

>>96303928
And by archers I mean the light cavalry, you can protect a mounted priest in them if necessary. Infantry are ok, kind of pricey if you get too much, sometimes just the bows works fine.

>>96303789
>https://litter.catbox.moe/enm0xmywmh7ohz8y.raGod damn dolphin porn
I think it's cool anon

>>96303789
I care.

>>96300383
bump

>>96303789
I don't care yet I am impressed, good job anon.

>>96303928
How many models should a unit of heavy horsemen have? 5 or 10? How about infantry or archers?

>>96294516 (OP)
Ignore my shitty painting. As little armor as possible really. Using the white one as general for my coomer army, wood elf who chooses slaanesh.

>>96304071
>>96304103
>>96304718
Thank you for the good words and (you)s. I think I needed them.
Have this map too.

>>96305040
Your posting job might be bad, but the photography is so bad you can't even see the minis.

>>96305159
Fair enough. This better for one?

>>96304939
5 for heavy cav (typically) since cav depend more on doing damage rather than taking advantage of static bonuses to sin combats.

For elite melee infantry you're probably going to want 10-20 depending on their cost and abilites, they can take advantage of static combat res and do a decent amount of damage, but eventually you start getting diminishing returns as the unit get bigger and bigger.

Light/chaff infatry you want at least 20, but if they're cheap enough running 30 or 40 is ideal since they kind of exist just to have as many bodies as possible.

Ranged infantry you want the minimum amount most of the time, having models behind the Frontline if you're not on a hill just means they don't do anything or are less effective than your frontline.

>>96305286
That is certainly a paintjob, which is better than no paintjob.

>>96305432
>For elite melee infantry you're probably going to want 10-20
Surely if you take 10, assuming 2 ranks, you risk having less than 1 full rank by the time they meet the enemy in combat? Or is that not such a problem? I'm currently nogames pls no bully

>>96303267
> The DISGUSTING, PERFIDIOUS, NEWFAG QUEER reveals himself
Get the fuck off this board

>>96302886
The skull cannon is retarded and needs to die though>>96302722

>>96302722
See Cathay didn't flop hard like Shiturnine so they aren't rushing to break about the returned boxes from their 3rd party sellers and recoup the losses

>>96301449
Don't get me wrong, I think the sentinel design is a special kind of retarded. I'm more just commenting on the general degrading state of sprues.
I've spent two weeks so far banging my head against the wall in an attempt to kitbash blissbarb archers into Slaaneshi-themed ungors. Truly a miserable fucking experience and one of the worst kits I've worked with. The model is chopped up in an incredibly obtuse manner, and a lot of shit breaks when even a small amount of pressure is applied.

How's the current state of the game now that the update has had a chance to settle out a bit? I've only done one match since it released and we fucked it up. Any interesting unexpected surprises?
>>96305449
Yes I'm aware.

Leaker with a great track record Javgoro just posted another "song" about future releases. Sung to Number of the Beast

>>96303505
I mean I personally think cannons are kinda lame because they're way too accurate. It seems like every turn my opponent gets a bead on a model I care about and just obliterates it every time unless I get insanely lucky with my chaos armor ward saves. They're not very interactive!

>>96305450
Well heavy infantry get a whole rank just from having 4 models, so you would have 1 model to act as a buffer for this reason (or run it 4 wide and have two models in the back). But that's also why I said 10-20, 10 you want something in that range like 12, 15, 16 etc. Not necessarily 10 or 20.

>>96305717
fake and gay

>>96305807
Nah, he did a Christmas song where he called out both Cathay's release and the TK War of Settra's Fury AJ (along with other stuff not yet revealed).

>>96305508
The truth hurts doesn't it? Turns out you were the AoS all along.

>>96305717
What is this stupid shit ?
Anyway the number thing makes me think of daemons I guess ? Whitefang is a very credible aos leaker, hasn't really mentioned daemons in any capacity, but he did somewhat recently hint at an ogre refresh for aos. Could open up the older kits for tow. Doesn't really match the rest of this dumb song thing though.

>>96305829
>What is this stupid shit ?
He likes to communicate in song and teases because its more fun and covers his sources tracks
>Whitefang is a very credible aos leaker, hasn't really mentioned daemons in any capacity,
I believe he mentioned Dark Elves leaving CoS with their 4e release, so its possible it could be a reference to DE coming back to TOW.

>>96305840
just makes it irrating to read and more like he is covering his ass incase he gets something wrong

>>96305815
that barely says anything and it mentions shit that's not actually happened
>pikes
>chaos dragon
>asavar kul
dude's a retard and you're even more retarded than him for licking his vague ass

>>96305845
irritating*

>>96305845
>just makes it irrating to read and more like he is covering his ass incase he gets something wrong
Unlikely, dude has a 99% correct leak rate. Only thing he got wrong was one of the AoI for Chaos being ALL mounted rather than just mostly mounted iirc
>>96305851
>that's not actually happened
Yeah because it hasn't been revealed yet. If I posted this stuff in June you'd be saying the same thing about the slayer references in the song too. Except now we know they were accurate since we're getting a slayer AoI.

>>96305840
>He likes to communicate in song and teases because its more fun and covers his sources tracks
No, it's because so he can hide away from scrutiny by pretending that whenever he gets shit wrong it's because people misunderstand what he's saying, so he's always right and always getting attention in his circlejerk.

You don't need to sing in song to hide sources
>I heard we're getting a mammoths
it's that easy

>>96305875
>No, it's because so he can hide away from scrutiny by pretending that whenever he gets shit wrong
Okay then, tell us what he's gotten wrong?
>I heard we're getting a mammoths
This was a poor example as it wasn't coded at all. Why would you choose the most obvious reference to make your point?

>>96305827
> Doubles down on his retardation
Why does WHFB have the worst secondaries

>>96305866
>Yeah because it hasn't been revealed yet.
You're bringing up this shit as proof of some track record.
It hasn't come to pass in whatever length of time it's been since that, the guy is just wrong.

>>96305717
What a faggot

>>96305892
>You're bringing up this shit as proof of some track record.
Because its filled with other specific stuff that has come to pass? Cathay, Dwarf AoI, Border Prices to name a few. This was all the way back in December of last year, well before any of that was announced too.

>>96305774
True they get their rank from 4 models but they will never be maximising the number of attacks against their preferred targets by having a frontage of 4. I think I'd only ever be comfortable taking 15 if I wanted to guarantee at least 5 making it to combat, especially so now that the second rank gets to attack too. But good to know your reasoning, appreciate it.

>>96305887
>Okay then, tell us what he's gotten wrong?
Bring up something he got right in the first place.

>>96305815
This is so vague and scattergun that literally anything could have been released and people would have been praising this guy's incredible fortune telling powers. Like one of those televised mediums cold reading a bunch of GW simps lol

>>96305908
He said Cathay was coming within the next year all the way back last December. Nobody was claiming it was coming that quickly before then.
He also leaked the Dwarfs getting their Dwarf cart as a bespoke unit all the way back in March of 2024.

>>96305919
Yeah bro, Border Princes and a Slayer army of infamy are very scatter-shot. Everyone was guessing those. Everyone.

>>96305904
>Cathay
we all already knew it was happening
>Dwarf AoI
prove he's talking about the dwarf aoi and you're not just schizophrenically reading into random words
>Border Prices
pikes haven't come back at all
tow has been playing with the border princes since the launch of the edition

>>96305866
>Yeah because it hasn't been revealed yet
2 more weeks buddy, trust the song

>>96305931
You really don't understand the chimps with typewriters thing do you

>>96305920
>Nobody was claiming it was coming that quickly before then.
Everyone was expecting cathay, retard
https://youtu.be/_xk7TZfDVs0?t=5m40s

>>96305906
Doesn't wrap around matter for that too though?
Besides, it more comes down to how your infantry get their combat res. Tanking hits, getting kills, outnumbering and ranks, or some other mechanism like disruption usually matter more than frontage.

>>96305932
>we all already knew it was happening
Not in December we didn't, revisionist-kun
They in fact had told us by that point it wasn't coming at all for the foreseeable future.
Why do you gotta lie to make your point, don't you have better things to do with your time?

>>96305949
>posting Valrak unironically
Posting a dude with a sub 20% hit rate.

>>96305717
>>96305815
>this is what passes for rumors amongst groomed discord kittens

>>96305968
>Not in December we didn't
Yes, we did, we already had valrak mentioning the units and as soon as GW posted "don't expect other factions" in their community article we already had whitefang confirming that cathay was indeed still happening despite that article.

Only someone with more brainworms than neurons would have thought cathay wasn't coming.

>>96305717
>>96305815
Idgi. Can someone translate this gibberish for me?

>>96306010
It can't be translated, it's made as ambivalent gibberish on purpose to stimulate schizophrenics.

>Yo, ho, fiddle de dee
>Please find attached my predictions three

>Old models abound, both in sprue and in lore,
>They're resurrecting kits from 2004

>A new journal of the arcane kind, perhaps
>Which details the exploits of little black chaps

>And finally for the partisans among you
>A single god calls, out of four you could choose


There you go anon, please come back and glaze my post when they release VC, then tell everyone they just haven't released the monogod arcane journal yet, and quietly forget the prediction about pygmies altogether because hey, I got vampires right, so I must be accurate!

>>96305979
I hate the fat marinepig as much as the next guy, but when it comes to non 40k stuff he's decently reliable. Called the contents of the aos chorf box perfectly, and aas the only one to do so iirc.

>>96305979
He might be fat and a retard, but he's still clear over what are his source's rumors and what is instead his speculation, and he's practically spot on when it comes to the rumors.

>>96306010
Chaos War Mammoth coming, Vampire Coast Coming, Marauder Refresh (more Steppe Horde theme coming). Dark Elves coming from AoS finally.

My two cents on this whole jav shit is that when the chaos AJ was coming out all I remember him saying was that one of the AoI was gonna be a cav list (which was obvious) and that the other AoI was gonna have a unit called huscarls and didn’t elaborate further, leading people to be surprised they were a mounted unit. I don’t remember anything else he mentioned for that AJ, but I DO remember he didn’t do it in a gay song! Other peeps I talk to say he’s been right about everything he’s mentioned but everything I’ve seen him mention has been super vague as to “protect his source” but imo it’s vague enough to be just covering his ass in case he gets anything wrong. Idk, not like any of this matters. Also to the anon saying Cathay and border princes were NEVER speculated upon, you’re just flat out wrong and I hope you can internalize that

>>96305815
>>96305717
I made this just to laugh at you.

>>96306163
Huscarls and Dwarf Carts aren't really vague though, they're pretty specific mentions. Stuff like "they'll bring back an old faction" is vague. Names of new units aren't really.

>>96306178
based Jav

>>96306118
>Vampire Coast Coming
Can't wait! Ever since GW showed Lord Harkon's crest in their interactive map, I knew it was only a matter of time.

>>96306333
that's a different harkon, luthor has been stuck in lustria for 1500 years by the time of the old world.

>>96306333
WALACH harkon, not luthor harkon

I want to buy some STLs for printing proxy armies but nothing has really struck my fancy beyond the Highland basic tomb kings
One Page Rules lizardmen look pretty decent

>>96306389
why not go sillier?

Anyone got any recs for 3D printed terrain (fdm or resin) for WFRP fantasy/TOW?
Preparing my first table but not sure what would fit on there. I'm thinking side pieces like fort parts at the very edges, cottages, hills, maybe rivers(?) with bridges(?), possibly a centerpiece.
Trees I think I already have enough examples of, although if there are any you particularly like i'd like to hear about those too.
I feel like I have good examples for running skirmish style stuff like Printable Scenery/Black Scrolls/Iain Lovecraft/Dark Realms/etc but for boards closer to mass-battles like fantasy where you don't want quite as much stuff getting in the way i'm a bit more stumped about what you want for a good game.
Definitely want something on there though even if it's only in the corners and not really affecting the battle much, lack of detailing can make me lose interest but I obviously don't want to smack down stuff that solely gets in the way of the actual game.

>>96306362
>>96306369
Oh...

>>96306450
you want hills, towers and other significant line of sight blocking elements, also low walls
and you want all of that in the middle of the board, away from deployment zones
you don't want to make the deployment zones comfortable and the middle of the board without shit to move around or hide behind

rivers look cool, but ruin games unless they're effectively irrelevant
the most practical hills come in 2 forms: a) "it's actually a temple" and b) "gentle slope on one side, drastic cliff on the other"

>>96306508
Middle of the board terrain is good with the caveat that it should never be impassable terrain in the middle or you get armies struggling hard to get proper fun action.

I've seen a good use of rivers with one river dividing the table with a large double bridge in the middle. The river was treated as difficult terrain and the bridge was the open ground passage over it. Other than that kind of scenario i'd go decorative with the rivers.

>>96306675
One of the Match play guide terrain objectives, the Special Features ones, is impassable and needs to be put in the center of the board.

>>96306766
I haven't read those yet but max 6" wide might be fine given the size but if it's shit in play i'd just place them to the side victory points or no victory points.

Slowly working on my Brets. I'm planning on running an errantry crusade, but I havent realy been concerned about writing a list just yet as I'm just focusing on painting models.
How many MAA and Archers might you expect to be "Standard" in a 1000, 2000, or 3000 point Errantry crusade? I ask as I'm planning on getting the MTO models and want to ensure I have "Enough".

>>96303662
I assume he means that weird vampire dude as the 'AoS dragon ogre' but yeah it's a stretch. If anything Kragnos is the closest to being a Dragon Ogre; he's an ancient being who hates dragons and used to war with them before he made a pact with some God and now he's immortal but his people are mostly/all dead, and he's comatosed under a mountain until a massive bit of magic wakes him up and then he goes on a rampage.

>>96305717
This guy is a real leaker but this isn't a real leak, this is clearly just him taking the piss out of how every fake leak is always just "Oh yeah this new army of infamy has Fimir and Chaos War Mammoth guys"

>>96305829
The whole thing is a play on revelations 13

>>96306118
Also Fimir

>>96305432
Skellies aren't exactly cheap in 6th.
>>96304939
If I had to I'd sooner use my core choices on archers than infantry, perma 5+ to hit isn't so bad when it means you can always be moving with no penalty. Save the infantry block for Tomb Guard.

>>96306118
>Chaos War Mammoth coming
Pls be true

>collecting two horde factions back-to-back
What the hell is wrong with me. I'm definitely making something more elite next time. How are Dark Elves for model count?

>>96307151
You can probably make a DLord +Character(s) with some Cold One Knights eat up half your points

are the current lizardmen from shitmar exactly the same ones from before the end of times?

>>96305717
if anyone really thinks GW is going to bring back Fimir, they need they damn head examined

>>96307172
>35 points per one Cold One Knight with full plate
Holy moly I'm in love. Not entirely sure about Stupidity but the models are cool and their profile looks promising.

>>96305717
>>96305815
Even if this guy turns out to be legit and not just talking out his ass and being vague to avoid scrutiny, this is incredibly cringe attentionfagging. There is no actual reason for this guy to be vague and larpy outside of wanting more attention, acting this way is not "protecting his source", if it were then GW would be firing and suing motherfuckers left and right from the past 100 warhammer leaks these past few years. Do not give this guy praise, he is a fag regardless of what is true or false.

>>96307275

This. Fuck crypic leakers, praise fake Fimir army list autists

>>96307249
A character in there helps mitigate that

>>96306393
Silly but expensive.

>>96305432
>>96305450
>>96305774
I run Chosen on foot with GW as a block of 20 at 7 wide and theyve never died. Theyve come close and that was mostly due to fanatic bullshit.

>>96307199
No the range is mostly refreshed since then.

>>96307740
fuck. yeah i was looking and mostly the skinks and the temple guard are the old models, how likely is that they are ever going to get a old world launch with the old boxes?

>>96307851
Likely yes but timeline could be years
For now you can simply use old or current models (that have old world eq) in a legacy list.

did something go wrong with the mao ying release?

seems like they meant to have that wave out much sooner, this shit is taking forever, its gonna kill the cathay hype

>>96306450
How did the observatory tower get up there, because the bricks on the bottom cling to nothing.

>>96307937
shhh.

shhhhhhhh.

threads been pretty dead since that whole UK thing. was the old world hype really mostly just the brits?

Play a 2000p joint game (1000p for each player on each side) between my Beastmen and Warriors of Chaos against Dwarfs and Cathay.
It was a pitched battle with lots of ups and down as units were locked in combat, fleeing, being overrun, peppered by guns and cannons, all in great fun.
My chaos friend and I lost the game though as our opponents managed to turn the tide even after losing both of their cathayan cavalry one side of their flanks, but a few good rolls of their dwarf cannons blew many holes in our remaining ranks of dudes.
In the end, and in a nice little dramatic fashion only my beastlord (and Ghorgon) were left on the field from my army when the game ended.
Even though it was a casual game all of us contributed to fun, silly warhammer narratives which made the game even better for us.

>>96308658
I built a Cathay Sentinel but I still need to figure out what to do with the base and it'll be awhile before I can paint it.

>>96306333
I really hope Vampire Coast are just an army of infamy and not a full replacement for Vampire Counts. It doesn't even need dedicated models; most of the units in the old 6th edition list are simple conversions.

>>96307917
from the start, they announced the model will be released with the second arcane journal.
as if anyone already properly painted the other cathay models.

Finished my Draong Ogres! 1k Army's next.

>>96308905
And my 1k Beastmen, also varmish lower the glare of those basing scrubs

Wargor, General.
- Heavy Chaos Armour
-Shield
-Gnarled Hide
Bray-Shaman, Level 2 Wizard (Daemonology)
-Hagtree Fetish,
18 Gor Herd, Full Command
10 Ungor Herd, Half-horn
10 Ungor Herd, Half-horn
1 Razorgor Herd
Cockatrice
-Acidic vomit
-Poisoned Attacks
3 Dragon Ogre
-Shartak
-Great weapons
-Heavy armour
1 Chaos Spawn
- Spawn of Slaanesh

>>96308915
When you go to the beach and forget the sunscreen

>>96305815
>Red Chariot
>From the south

>>96308915
Looks brill! Surprised the army is compact, but its nice and tidy.

>>96308703
Kharur lives to fight another day!! Yeah, artillery is a pain in the ass to deal with. Glad you had fun.

>>96307937
there used to be a bottom but it collapsed and it's now standing up on that shit, clinging to dear life with spit and azyr magic

>>96294516 (OP)
Which parts of the world in WHF does it suck more to live in than North Korea?

>>96309682
the empire is pretty bad, yeah

>>96309682

Sylvania is literally sucky.

>>96309682
dirt farmer in brettonia would be up there, or worse living in stirland

>>96309682
I think it would be better to ask which places would be an improvement honestly.

>>96309228
That banner is so rad

I wish I could live in Cathay.

>>96310191
Me too fren, wonderful trad living.

Built som Empire unit fillers

I’ve never played Total War, does Vampires of the Coast have Pirate Skeletons? Cause as much as I’d like to wait for Battle Monks/Ogres/Dogs of War to commit to an army fully, Pirate Skeletons would take priority over all of them.

>>96310814
vampire pirates are not a faction and won't be a faction

>>96310814
>Vampires of the Coast have Pirate Skeletons?
not in TW or I think any other version, just Zombie pirates, Zombie Crabs, Zombie Orges and Vampires in the roster.
You can just kitbash some Skeletons with some Pirates bit as Zombie pirates though

>>96310814
They do, also zombie boat corpse robots and huge zombue crabs

>Vampire coast
>Still haven't realsed the old daemon prince model
Why are gw failures when it comes to knowing what people want ir need?

>>96310846
Isn't the current plastic one for AoS/40k perfectly usable in TOW?
fits the base zie and all that

>>96310834
>>96310838
I see, well I hope the rumors pan out. Regardless if Pirate Skeletons would be their own unit, I’d be all for a Pirate faction.

>>96310838
>they do
>fails to post a pirate skeleton

>>96310855
Doesn't match the aesthetic of the rest of the range, stands out as its too modern, you would need to remake the entire WOC range.

>>96310879
nah, the old prince was garbage, and new the one fits just as well, chaos undivided barely changed its design cues, it's not any more modern looking than belakor was.
it would be a different matter if we were talking about the older plastic warriors.

>>96310830
They had official units in white dwarf back in 6ed. Cathay was literally nothing but a name on a map up until total warhammer.

>>96310919
As long as you don't take a look at modern "marauders", maybe.

>>96310919
The entire point of tow is to use the old models

Built my first unit tray

>>96311028
No, it's not, the point is getting back what was removed: factions, rulesets and some models.
The shitty demon prince was available up until it was updated, much to the rejoicing of everyone, and the only reason why tow would have to use the older one is due to a retarded policy about having as little overlap in products as possible between aos and tow.
TOW is getting new models, will keep getting new models, and noone sane is pretending you have to use old models to play tow.

>>96311067
Wrong.
The old Daemon Prince was a superior model the new one is over-detailed and designed for AOS and 40k, not fantasy aesthetics. The only new modes TOW has gooten have been niche characters and an unwanted meme faction for total war secondaries.

>>96310954
They were something published on white dwarf but ultimately not an "official" armylist, there was a distinct seal of approval for those and some Warhammer chronicles content was material sent by fans, and regardless of that, cathay got an army, the vampire coast simply won't.

>>96311110
>Retard

>>96311110
The old demon prince too was designed for 40k as well, and aos isn't using a completely different aesthetic when it comes to chaos warriors.
You're delusional.

>>96311125
GW did sell a kitbash selection for Vampire Coast Zombie Pirates that was a mix of the FCM and Zombie kits at the time so it's not like the concept was completely ignored by GW officially.

>>96311125
I was just correcting you on the fact that vampire coast are indeed a faction.

>>96311141
>designed for 40k as well
Correct, never said it wasn't, just that the new one isn't dedigned for fantasy.
>completely different aesthetic when it comes to chaos warriors
The models hace a completly different style in how they are designed, the AOS ones have more over the top posing, while the fantasy ones are smaller and designed to be massed

>>96311187
if it's designed for something in aos that's still recognisably fantasy, then it's designed for fantasy too

this alleged "completely different style" has nothing to do with the prince and isn't even correct, there are plenty of new chaos warriors that don't have wild poses

>>96311110
Models post em.

>>96311215
I alread have >>96311034

>>96311211
The basic troops have multiple over the top poses

>>96311178
they are not a faction, there aren't rules for them in any tow material, there are no products for them on the gw webstore, there are no plans, or believable rumors about their addition, and the 6th ed white dwarf list isn't any more official than the one that would allow you to field literal dinosaur toys

>>96311230
>these are over the top poses for anon

>>96311243
Real chaos warriors always keep their arms close to their bodies so more chaos warriors can fit in the metro.

>>96311243
For generic rank and file grunts, yeah, they aren't supposed to be distinct.

>>96310814
https://totalwarwarhammer.fandom.com/wiki/Vampire_Coast_unit_roster

>>96311067
>he point is getting back what was removed: factions, rulesets
Not him but the factions and rulesets were always available in book or PDF form for any past edition you wanted. Nothing stopping you from accessing them at any time in the 10 years the game was discounted. Quite literally the only thing that was 'removed' was models.

>>96311243
For a rank and flank game absolutely they are

>>96311220
Finish your fucking greatswords before schizo bitching about a model sold as a fantasy one as well when it came out because GW hates daemons
And have some fun. I made my counts champion a ulrican lover with the 2 hand hammer and wolf cloak from the knights. Personally I am waiting to finish my 10 ostermarkers before messing with greatswords as I'm not sure what theme i want to give them -yellow with purple stripes or a simpler quartered theme a la my state troops. Prob gonna paint like 20 30 more states before making that choice.

>>96311292
>Nothing stopping you from accessing them at any time in the 10 years the game was discounted
except the lack of a solid gaming community because the game wasn't supported anymore and a large number of miniatures weren't available anymore.

>mfw new GM introducing normies friends to TTRPG and Warhammer via WFRP
>mfw when the Dwarf player guide is fucking great
>Mfw when I already have so many ideas for a full dwarf party adventure
>mfw when no one is interested in playing a dwarf

>>96311540
I thought everyone still rolled for races and careers when making new characters in WFRP

>>96311582
Eeeeh they don't really know so I'm trying to be gentle and ask around what interests them.

>>96310919
I thought anon meant the old old daemon princes, the ones in metal that are in the 6th ed army book. I always thought they were pretty sick and I'd like to be able to get them for a reasonable price.

>>96311374
Aha, so the point of tow was the models, I understand now

>>96311243
>drilled soldiers posing like faggots is normal
Maybe you just don't understand the aesthetic of these types of games

>>96311261
Top right is very cool

>>96312098
>chaos warriors
>drilled soldiers

>striking poses
>posing like faggots

the multipart kit is also even less dynamic
you're deranged

The delta between how high-strung and neurotic the posters on this general are and how chill actual real-life TOW players are is insane and hilarious

>>96311711
>>96311582
Makes sense, rolling for your character seems like an experienced player kind of move, after you're familiar with everything. Like what would a new player do if they roll something they're utterly unfamiliar or uninterested in?

Also please share your all dwarf party adventuring ideas that have now died due to the players not having the best of taste.

>>96312138
All but one or two of those won't rank up on 30mm bases, let alone 25.
That's assuming you're happy paying £40 for 10 rank and file models in a mass battle game.

>>96312182
>hobbylet

>>96312150
welcome to the internet

>>96312182
>That's assuming you're happy paying £40 for 10 rank and file models in a mass battle game.
TOW has a number of units with a price per infantry model that nears 10$

>>96312198
The entire game-playing internet does not act like this general

>>96312197
this shit makes me feel claustrophobic.

>>96312158
Yeah exactly, if they don't know the rules and end up with some dogshit stuff that doesn't interest them, they won't get hooked up. Sure I have some more experienced friends (unavailable) that would love playing Hans the Hobo and try to rise in their station over time but let's not throw the newbies in there just yet.

Re All Dwarves adventures, reading the rules and fluff blurb about Skycrafts in the guide I genuinely would love to do a Chaos Wastes exploration in a Large Airship, ala Gotrek & Felix, to try and reconnect with a lost Hold. The airship would be a mobile base of operations and players could either be a full squadron or explorers on foot.

One could easily have a player as a Thane trying to prove himself by leading the expedition, with orders from his King, with Engineers abound to fly the Gyrocpters or Bombers.

The good thing about the Wastes is that flying creatures abound and you can pull off pretty much anything from your ass.

>>96312256
>steamfoppery
Disgusting

>>96312150
Being as ridiculous in person is harder

>>96312207
What models?

>>96312197
Ehhh. They'd look better on 30 and 30x60 bases.

>>96312447
They might look good multi based, or with unit filler.

6th Edition friends, I have a question about magic.

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Page 135 of the main rulebook says "In a player's Magic Phase, which follows the Movement Phase, each of his Wizards can attempt to cast each of his spells only once.".

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Page 153 of the main rulebook says "Some magic items have spells that are wrought into their very fabric that can be unleashed by their wielder during the Magic phase. Possessing a Bound Spell item does not make a character a Wizard for the purposes of the rules.

The spell held in a magic item is cast in the player's Magic phase just like other spells, and can be countered in the same way as ordinary spells. Spells cast by magic items succeed automatically - no Power dice are needed.

A spell from a Bound Spell item can be cast once per Magic phase. A character cannot have more than one Bound Spell item. Each Bound Spell item has a Power level included in its description. An opponent must score equal to or greater man this to dispel the spell.".

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Okay, so the same wizard can only cast a particular spell once per Magic phase. What if that same wizard has a bound item that contains a spell that the wizard already has? Can that same wizard cast the spell AND use the bound item that contains the same spell in the same Magic phase?

Thanks.

>priming minis
>super hot day
>parts of the models are now "dusty" as the primer dried before hitting the model

>>96312669
Yes

>>96312670
hate it

got the old metal mannfred, thinking of changing his horse but why do so many horse models have the legs modeled on. anybody have suggestions?

>>96312776
This model is hairesy.

I will say that the chaos warriors for tow being so dogshit (hobbying wise) is what made me drop the faction for wood elves.

>>96312853
I thought it was a beloved classic kit? Other than having to buy failcast weapon options and all that.

>>96311261
Cornholio the dread bungholio, lmfao they look retarded
>>96311285
If you're going to wikifag, at least have the decency to use lexicanum and not be a troondom swine.

>>96312853
I can't see how making glade guard and glade riders are more fun than any chaos warrior unit unless you *really* like non puke shades of green and bows.

>>96313013
it's both loved and hated for different reasons

I hate painting women. Her face and hair were much harder to get even barely passable than anything on a man. I can't even begin to imagine what elf players and any mordheim sistersfags must be going through all the time.

>>96313229
>>96313229
>>96313229
Migrate