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Large Scale battle Edition

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>Thread Question:
Do you enjoy larger battles, 3.5k+?

>>96321667 (OP)
>>Thread Question:
Only with super heavies and other points sink so its bigger but time to play doesn't increase a lot.

Are journals bimonthly?

>>96321667 (OP)
There's an ideal ratio of models in 30k to enjoy a game, bigger point games allow you to take more expensive unit options without fucking up that ratio and ending up with too many or too few models.

Every since the NL blobchad posted, I've been wondering if ignoring AV14 really is the best anti-tank in 3.0.

>>96321667 (OP)
where's the horse girl, op??

How many despoilers should a world eaters list have? How many tacticals? I yearn for BLOOD.

>>96321845
Eating rye grass.

>>96321861
100 is a balanced amount for a 3k game.

>>96321799
I've fought two Spartans and a land raider. I ignored them and won. They're just overcosted lascannon boxes once the contents are out. Not including a death star of my own meant I put line on side objectives and when I needed to spoke the football mid game I tied up termis in CC and just as stood menacingly next to them to score the middle. At that point vanguard 3 wasn't enough.

>>96321861
>how many despoilers

lots.

>how many tacticals?

Eh, a squad of ten to hold an objective closer to the backline sounds fine. Model them with chain bayonets, but don't pay the points for them, they suck in 3.0

>>96321845
keep looking. flying high next to plasma friend

Is there a good list builder for 3.0 yet? Bought my first box of Tactical Marines and would like to see the options.

>>96322051
>would like to see the options.
uh try looking at the Libers lol?

>>96322051
some stuff is on newrecruit but you really do need the libers to reference

Order some of the OOP Veletai from chairman Xi and they're so insanely good. GW is raped.

>>96321906
You crazy man

>>96321861
The absolute minimum for despoilers in a WE list is 40, whether thats 2 units of 20, 4 units of 10 or 1 unit of 20 and 2 units of 10 is up to you. Ideally you'd want more but this is the minimum.

You're allowed shooting in a WE list contrary to popular belief, you should just avoid heavy weapons whenever possible because the WE want to be constantly advancing into the enemy and Heavy weapons want to stay still.

You should bring TSS squads instead of tacticals tho, they are more on theme. Volkite Chargers are particularly fun in WE because they're assault weapons so you can double tap with volkite and then still smack in melee like your TSS is a weaker legions despoilers.

>>96321667 (OP)
>Do you enjoy larger battles, 3.5k+?
I enjoy large battles its just im trying to enjoy 3.0 but im not feeling it.

>>96322051
New recruit has most of the liber options now, but they havent added the legacy stuff yet. I suggest just trying to do it yourself, its not as convenient but it isnt very hard.

>>96322123
Er....how do I take the bolter arms off my already built tactical minis, then?

>>96321861
>How many despoilers should a world eaters list have?
Mechanically? I dont know. But 40 feels about right from an aesthetics/themes perspective. I think between them and the veterans you should aim for 60-80 power armor dudes looking for close combat.

>how much ranged
Maybe half of that in number? Mixed between HSS, TSS and tacticals as you want. Also feel free to have some predators and stuff supporting. It should just look like a flood of chainaxe fuckers.

>>96322123
>no HSS

Firefist disagrees.

>>96321667 (OP)
I think large battles work best as "events", proper big all day things with massed armies and shit. If its just "its a bigger point limit so everyone ends up with deathstars" then thats lame.

>>96321799
Depends on the tank. I suspect ignoring a choom-kratos is going to be harder. But the big boxes? Yea, their damage is a lot lower this edition so if theyve already shat out their cargo there is a limited point to targeting them down.

>>96321861

I'm kind of feeling 80 despoilers if you're running Angron - use the Prime slots to make them all Malefic and dare anyone to push 80 status-immune MEQ off the midfield objectives. Also works with 60, but then you only have squads of 15.

Is this the only gun with a deflagrate value higher than the original weapon's strength? Hell, the only one that's different from it at all?
I thought it was kind of stupid to add a value to deflagrate becaus every other time it's just the same strength as the original gun, are there any other weapons that do this?

>>96322233
>use the Prime slots to make them all Malefic
Better option: interdiction cadre them. Also run WE hereticus so they get unbreakable. Someone steps out of their deployment zone? 20 despoilers. They move another unit? 20 despoilers. Any other unit? Another 20 despoilers.

>>96322236
Higher? Afaik yes.
Different? No, the overcharged volkite serpenta for the moritat have a lower deflag value.
Its not a rule thats used very much, but I think having it be variable is a fine idea, gives them room to do funky things with it in the future. Maybe demons get some sort of "maggot blade" which deflags at a lower strength to represent insects spawning from the wounds to bite you or whatever.

>>96322162
Clippers

>>96322123
>>96321861
WE fully valued heavy weapons (until later in the heresy and Angron went full retard and ordered all the tanks and shit to be mothballed so the crews could be more line infantry).

But ye, you really want target saturation with WE infantry.

Basic infantry die like flies, so 60+ gives you enough bodies to ensure shit actually gets through with enough attacks to actually do their job.

>>96322271
>Basic infantry die like flies
yes and no. Volkite HSS are a LOT weaker now, so a lot of armies might end up lacking good "delete power armor" options since (like with the lascannon HSS) I suspect a lot of armies relied on some crutch units.

Faced with having to spec for elites and AV14 and "mass power armor" I think a lot of people will choose the former.

>>96322162
If you've already built and painted tacticals then you may as well use tacticals, bring 1 tactical for every 2 Despoilers.

If you've built them but not painted them yet then you might be able to do model surgery by replacing the bolters with special weapons. The special weapon sprue is actually designed to use bolter arms, it doesn't come with its own the way that the heavy weapon sprue does.

Only do that if you're confident you can clean up any mistakes with the clippers tho. You don't want to fuck up your dudes following the advice of a weirdo on a Jamaican rum brewing forum.

>>96322287
>Volkite HSS are a LOT weaker now
They lost 1 of 5 shots, they kill 5 guys instead of 6, they are not that much worse than before.
And missile launchers are even better for the same points

>>96322271
WE valued heavy weapons but generally they were direct fire weapons mounted on tanks or dreadnoughts. Angron was too retarded to understand how artillery worked and man portable autocannons are too unwieldy to beat people to death with.

There are always exceptions of course and every legion had enough dudes do do everything at least a little but IMO the WE gameplay experience is constant pressure and forward momentum. Never stop moving towards your enemy, box him up inside his deployment with weight of numbers and bury them.

Mechanically heavy weapons are priced as if they're immobile, if you have to move with them they get noticeably weaker in some regards which makes HSS a hard sell to me, plus they're way more expensive and the WE don't want fragile expensive points sinks because they WILL be within range of the enemy most of the game.

>>96322386
>They lost 1 of 5 shots
They also lost the cognis signum +1 to hit, and are (iirc) now more expensive.

>>96322389
The Istvaan 3 fluff in the black books is full of WE heavy weapons dudes. They just unloaded everything until they ran out of ammo then beat people to death with their fists afterwards.

>>96322399
They are 5p more expensive and cognis signum is not even worth it. You do more damage taking the same points in more culverins

>>96322413
>and cognis signum is not even worth it
Not any more. But it was a popular choice in 2e (an MoS/techmarine to have your HSS ignore shrouded and hit on 2s)

>>96322399
>>96322399
>They are 5p more expensive
actually no, they are the same points. The marines went down 10ppm and the volkites went up 10ppm

>>96322386
They're 25 points per model tho and TSS got better.

>>96322181
People think Butcher's Nails enhance violence tendencies. No such thing. It's only chainaxing, specifically :^)

Fellow WE players, hobby autism question here - how do you go about putting your dudes together? WE tend to be one of the legions that favour a very high body count.

I have this little box where I have every mark of armour (II - VI) plus bolt pistols/chainaxes.

I just keep it topped up, so I can put together a full squad of 10 or 20 guys easily, and just rummage around for whatever parts I want, good to go.

>>96322426
40 volkite shots DO NOT scare me, they will shoot once and then eat shit to a tank which are far less fragile now and will therefore be seen more often.

>>96322456
tanks are for killing other tanks, no marine tank is actually good at killing infantry

>>96322428
126p Plasmagun TSS kills 4.57 MEQs
125p Culverin HSS kills 4.6 MEQs
TSS has 2 more guys but the HSS doesn't need to be in range of return fire most of the time
And they both take up the same slot anyways. TSS and HSS seem very balanced this edition.

>>96322181
I'm not saying they don't have them in the lore. I'm saying the WE trait encourages you to spam cheap marines and walk into the enemy while heavy weapons support squads are expensive and want to stay still.

TSS fulfil the same roll and they do it well enough to be an easy swap.

>>96322456
Your tank will get hit by 1 shock weapon and spend the rest of the game hitting on 5s

>>96322456
What tank are you firing to wipe out 10 HSS in a phase?

>>96322492
He's just picking one up and throwing it

>>96322492
Glaive
Don't @ with points costs, I don't care

>>96322463
Then its a good thing I play auxilia and can kill marines with my tanks just fine.

>>96322511
>HSS squads are shit because my unit thats 2-3 times the cost can kill them in 1 turn
Shiggy diggy my man, you're right.

>>96322463
>The real antitank only comes mounted on other tanks
>Tanks killers are light enough they can be killed by infantry-carried antitank...
>...but they won't be, because they could be killed by more Tank Killers instead
>Tank Killers can't actually kill regular infantry; their big damage would be waster on their low show volume guns
So it's either don't even bother with vehicles, or Demolisher Vindicators (their gun kills infantry too).
Is this yet another "Seize vs Finisher" scenario?

>>96322557
The vehicle damage changes were not thought out, in all honesty. No effects on pens has such large repercussions for how tanks are fielded and dealt with

Melee should be your primary anti-tank, as ever

>>96322389
>Angron was too retarded to understand how artillery worked
He also stuck pure melee elites in the slowest, least suited for charging/pursuing termie armor available

>>96322577
I'd think a suppressed tank's shots would all miss and a tank that can't shoot is useless. But Transports are less gunboats and more mobile bunkers this time around, and blasts can still work, right?
>>96322588
Nah. You can't really use chainfists without a transport, and that takes you all the way back to square 1

>>96322577
It was one of the better changes this edition
You just don't like vehicles not being perpetually useless

>>96322492
Old reliable medusa Mortar will pick up 2~3 marines a shooting phase direct fire and if he shoots my infantry I get to shoot him with my Mortar as an auxilia exclusive reaction. Plus a Mortar is only 140 points and a single artillery commander can bring 3, or 6 in an artillery cohort. I can get 2 AV12 artillery tanks for 280 points and your get 10 volkite scrubs for 250.

Sure the HSS can pick up a squad of lasrifles but he's spending 250 points to pick up 100 points of chaff, I win that trade.

Much more afraid of plasmaguns and Heavy bolters, they're a more points efficient method of picking up my infantry and they also kill my sentinels and ogryn real good too.

>>96322557
>demolisher vindicators
>implying they'll ever hit more than 1 model if it matters
You can't mind control your opponent into not spacing their models if you start taking scary blasts retards

>>96322593
>He also stuck pure melee elites in the slowest, least suited for charging/pursuing termie armor available
...didn't everyone? I think Deathshroud are the only non-Legacy terminator unit not stuck in cataphractii. And DG players wish they were in cata, like the 40k version is (just without all those stupid tentacles)

>>96322557
>(their gun kills infantry too)
>24" 3" blast
>Anti infantry
sure thing, buddy

>>96322614
>Phoenix Terminators as always forgotten
;_;
There's also ebon keshig, contenkars, and technically atramentar

>>96322614
There's the Gorgon Terminators in Indomitus, and don't ES and EC have Tartaros termies?

>>96322627
>ES
>the Hispanic Children

>>96322633
Whoops, meant to type WS. The Mongolian Children.

>>96322624
So, Atramentar are a prime, and Contekars are a unit. Wasn't there a third type? One that could usurp the commander and be the HQ themselves if they wanted to
>Phoenixes
What they did to them was unfair and outrageous. How can they be in the Unique Terminators Council, and not be 3A?

>>96322599
No, I prefer an edition where a viable strategy for dealing with heavy armour isn't just to ignore it entirely because nothing short of fully destroying it does anything to reduce its effectiveness in any way.

>>96322655
>Anon is afraid of 6 lascannons and a termie sledgehammer moving towards him

>>96322479
Why would I deploy a ten man melta squad in a rhino (290) points when I can instead deploy a missile squad for 250 points who can stand still and shoot across the table while their brethren charge forward and kill shit in melee?

>>96322680
Ha! Trick question; they're both S8 shit!

>>96322653
Those were Contekars
Just like Huscarls, Chieftains, and Deathshroud could be taken as HQs

>>96322655
>nothing short of fully destroying it
>a single glance has a 1 in 3 chance to immobilize you, or make you hit on 5s
sure

>>96322557
Nah, its only marines caught in this retarded dichotomy because they've been balanced as an infantry army with supporting tank elements.

As opposed to the mechanicum who are balanced around being a bunch of autists showing off their doomsday weapon collection.

Or the Auxilia who are balanced around being Oops all tanks.

>>96322680
Bc there's a fair amount of 3W or 2W models with access to -1D or EW and because missiles are ap3

>>96322258

Hereticus + Interdicton is best for blending, yeah. Malefic is best if you want to score no matter what, because you are casually immune to all statuses so they can't suppress you to stop you scoring a point. WE have some really good options, though, even if I do prefer the Loyalist one on average.

>>96322680
Presumably because you want to kill a single predator that costs half your points in a single shooting phase, or do more than 2 points of damage to a single 150 point russ every turn.

>>96322712

Mech are also kind of short on dedicated Spartan-killers, but at least any mech army worth its salt is going to have like fifteen units with Firestorm + Implacable Advance who can blast their way through a rhino and then shoot + punch the squad inside to death reasonably well.

Vultarax have neat S10 D2 guns, even if they can't hit shit, but otherwise it's basically just the Calix lascannon.

>>96322712
Marines are not caught on anything, that anon is being retarded. Not every tanks has AV14 and not every antitank gun needs to be a single shot S12 weapon with 6D

>>96322708
>a single glance has a 1 in 3 chance to immobilize you
Legit question: What S8+ weapons don't have armorbane?

>>96322746
Mechanicum relies on shocking the shit out of you instead, because every tech priest or magos can take a grav gun and their rad weapons can shock (stun) as well for some reason

This fucking Warsmith model, man.
He's never in goddamn stock, and when he is, I'm not near my phone to order him.
At this point I should look for a printed servo arm or something, Christ.

>>96322770
No, just every tank worth taking

>>96322799
AV14 is almost guaranteed to make your tank not worth taking, if anything

>>96322746
Can't every tech priest in the army get a gravgun for 10 points? Just pin the thing before it reaches anything important.

>>96322827
so can basically every marine sergeant and rhino but I guess those don't count

>>96322852
>every marine sergeant
Yeah but you lose a melee option if you do.
>and rhino
Unironically a rhino is more useful with a buddy to block an avenue of advance with zoning

>>96322814
The Explorator is an exception to this, 240 points for 6 lascannons in an AV14/14/14 HP8 Brick with outflank that can also transport 10 dudes.

Its not the most point efficient way of spamming lascannons in the army but its surprisingly close. 7 HSS lascannons are 245 points and 2 quad las predators are 260.

The Kratos is meta dependent but its also pretty good. The Spartan and the carrier are the only real stinkers.

>>96322852
The combi grav is unreliable. It only gets 1 shot the whole game, Mechanicum tech priests can get actual gravguns.

Also rhinos actually can't get combi grav for some reason, its not on the list of pintle weapons.

>>96322875
The Explorator looks better without the extra 2 lascannons tho.

>>96322899
Me? I'm doing a heavy flamer and havoc launcher, and by God if they allowed me I'd pay points to give it sponson gravis heavy bolter batteries. I will become status man, mild inconveniencer of infantry

>You can buy Gorgon Terminator armor for any IH character
>This gives them FNP 5+ and the flashbang effect
Is this ever worth it? 30 points is a lot

>>96322939
Nothing switches off FNP anymore so if you ever expect to get attacked its absolutely worth it

The odds of failing both a 4++ and a 5+++ Are 1/6, you're paying 30 pounts for a 2++.

>>96322875
>Brick with outflank that can also transport 10 dudes
The issue with land raiders and spartan is that you are dealing D1 if you move and that hurts las canons a lot.
The exploratory at least is cheaper but I can't say there's that much of a reason to outflank las canons with their range
The kratos does look pretty good

>>96322708
Yeah let me just shoot the av14 tank with all my AT that A: can hurt it, and B: Are mechanically capable of causing glances then hope for a lucky score and pray it doesn't autorepair it off.

This seems like an excellent plan and use of firepower, thanks anon, don't know how I missed it.

>>96322972
You're retarded, the odds are 1/3 not 1/6, its identical to a 3++

>>96322972
Interesting. The supressed thing feels almost like flavor text, since suppressing the enemy in their own turn is pretty useless unless they fail a bunch of checks in a row, right?

>>96322980
It's pretty unlikely to happen. But if it does it's great cuz they start your turn already fucked up

>>96322972
Isn't that more like a 1/3 chance? So like a 3++?
0.5 chance to get through the invuln times 0.66 chance to go through the FNP =0.33 (so 1/3)

Still great, but not 2++ great

Speaking theoretically, how do you deal with someone dropping 5x20 tacs or despoilers on the board? Keep in mind that this is only 1000 points before upgrades.

5 or 10 man for Autocannon HSS?
10 man costing 300 points feels like I'm investing way too much there.

>>96321667 (OP)
Anyone else notice this trend in 3.0? It was bad enough hearing this shit in 2.0, but this edition is even more filled with people who have never even read the rule books whining about it. If you want to whine and say the game is dead at least have the balls to try a demo game of any edition first

>>96323035
There's lots of units that will rinse MEQ off the table. Anythign phospex, the saturnine AP3 flamers, most legion specific "assault marine" variants, anything in the NL roster, etc.

>>96322976
You outflank so your opponent doesn't know what board edge the transport is coming from. You come in turn 2, dump your cargo and spend the last 2 turns taking potshots at whatever threatens them OR you start on the board, drive up 12" and disgorge some tacticals or whatever then turret for the other 3 turns.

6 lascannons firing for 3 turns will kill 5 Cataphractii or fuck up a pair of predators, plus you only need to worry about the really big guns since even powerfists can't hurt you and chainfists are horrible.

>>96323049
What is the guy even fucking saying?

>>96323035
my ashen circle are literally frothing at the mouth for this exact situation

>have jump pack dreadnoughts
why no jump pack terminators? You telling me they can build a jump pack for a dread but not termies?

>>96323059
i think he is saying that he's a moron who doesn't want to ever play a game of heresy unless you just popped out the womb and have a 10 year old resin army

>>96323035
Six Medusa Mortars and the artillery commander to direct them are less than a thousand points too and they'll keep those despoilers trapped in their deployment zone until the sun explodes with pinning (3) artillery.

>>96323041
Slot efficiency. If you have spare support slots split them up, if you don't keep em together.

Does anyone know what the font they use in the campaign books is? Someone posted it in the thread the other day but I'm flipping through 4plebs and I can't find it.

>>96323093
I really like this image.

>>96323093
nvm

Where Breachers?

>>96323064
>dreadnought shoulders
SOVL

>>96322982
neat

>>96323064
Wasn't the jump pack dreadnought supposed to be for orbital insertion without a drop pod? Terminators can deep strike with the right gizmos.

Is the Scorpius worth running this edition?
Or should I leave the two I have on the shelf?

Are Bayonets worth taking on their own? Or are they the “fill in your extra points” option?.

Should I build my staurnine dreadnought tomorrow, or work on my last terminator conversion?

>>96323064
Jump pack dreads should not have happened either desu, this ain't Armoured Core, Its not even Battletech.

>>96323195
Bayonets are never worth taking because they're just AP5. they should have made them +1 initiative instead because you're using a gun as a ghetto spear, at least the they would have SOME defensive utility.

>>96323183
It's still alright, but no longer the apex of artillery units. Went down to breaching 5+, but two small blasts can get more hits than a single large blast. But honestly the biggest nerf is Instant Death being gone, it only has D1. Still worth the 120 points to kill MEQ though.

>how many detachments have I got in my army? Yeah about 2
>anyway here's 100 pseudo fearless tactical and 40 seekers have fun

>>96323183
Its still good against W1 dudes but much less effective against W2.

>>96321667 (OP)
Does anyone have the black books from HH1?

I kinda want to use the old IA DG colors to paint faster (it was also canon in the Black Books and BL covers)

>>96323200
Terminator. I need more inspiration for mine.

>>96323228
>Egads, however will i defeat so many space marines.
>brings 80 assault marines, 2 phosphex arquitors and 4 squads of 2 phosphex rapiers.

>>96323282
It's probably gonna end up being pretty awkward.
Although I have noticed that if you slice off the hinge on the contemptor's guns you can just about ram the ball-elbow into it so you can have some hilariously oversized guns.

>>96323277
I mean the difference is relatively minor. Less staining on the white, and green shoulders but only on the trim. It's mentioned in the books that due to logistic struggles there were plenty of both minor and major colour variations in Legion armour colour schemes. It's perfectly okay to go for it, Anon.

>>96323059
Translation
>I want attention and I have problems I don't understand so I'm using this game as an excuse

>>96323311
A gentlemanly war indeed

>>96323228
Losing d3 more tacticals every time you get a status is less sexy when it can happen 4 times per turn

>>96323315
Good. Hilariously oversized is what I'm going for.

>>96323311
After using phosphex rapiers twice, they're OP. Panic 3, barrage only 1 to simulate crawling fire, and all the AP is too much. They delete it or route whatever they touch. Which you would expect phosphex to do, but it's entirely too easy to spam.

>>96323330
I'll do my best

>>96323331
Yeah, after a few test games, I kinda feel bad about the 4 rapiers I'm running.
I might swap them to Grav to fuck with vehicles or heavy bolters to suppress and only bring the Siege Breaker and the Phosphex out if an opponent requests it.

>>96323353
Do you think 1 unit of 2 phosphex rapiers would be acceptable? In the process of making an oops all warcrimes DA army with lots of disintegrators, phosphex and the like, and wanted to use the pair of old metal thunderfire cannon models I still have as rapiers.

>>96323353
You could also just, not run a Siege breaker. Or even just run 1 unit of 4 instead of 2 units of 2.

The real power of phosphex isnt the damage (though it is nice) its the fact that they're panic 3 So everyone immediately shits themselves the moment the bombs come down and are almost completely useless for a turn afterwards.

Odds of an MEQ not immediately routing from a touch of phosphex is 28%. If its not a cataphractii command squad or lead by a Chaplain its gonna run away.

>>96322181
I simply prefer Telemachon

>>96323392
I think that's perfect amount to not be too crazy. I had 1x2 and still controlled a flank, but my opponent could avoid it to a degree at least.

>Biomancy librarian buffing a saturnine command squad as they charge in
>Toughness 8 terminators swinging Str 7 saturnine war axes
Anons, I... I might start breaking the Edict of Nikea...

>>96323035

My three squads of 9 3W Ursarax are very happy to wipe 20 marines per squad per round if they attempt to actually put those tacs or despoilers in the midfield, and they're a grand total of 705pts after upgrades. I am a big fan of the bear hug brigade this edition.

>>96323396

The rapiers are quite squishy this edition, but it's a tad difficult to actually take them out before they start mass routing squads. I still need to figure out some kind of solution to that other than "get my own Barrage units and drop templates on them in return". Maybe this is where allied planes might get something decent done.

>>96323601
Another silly one you can do is a Bio mancy librarian in a unit of Breachers.
Have them shield react to get +1T, then have your bio mancy boy in the volley phase do his spell for +2

S6, T7 breaches seems kinda memey as fuck.

>>96323396
>You could also just, not run a Siege breaker.
But anon... I play IW...
But for real, you're right, I could always just not use him for some lists.
>>96323601
In fact, this has me interested in looking at Librarians again.

>>96323601
Throw on some bonus divination and challenge people with your S7 AP2 D2 force axe that hits on 2+, for extra fun. Adding divination Precision Shots to let the Saturnine snipe characters would be fun, but you'd also murder yourself with disintegrators doing that so maybe not the most practical idea.

Divination and Biomancy really seem like standouts this time around, Demonology of both kinds is on the sad side in comparison.

>>96323634
Shield Wall only lasts until the end of that phase. And the biomancy power can only be cast during your own charge phase.

For protection against shooting Telekinesis looks busted, that psychic reaction gives Shrouded 3+.

I like this thing because the idea of a scout vehicle that's actually a heavy assault transport is hilarious but I hate this because for a scout you can't see out of the damn thing and the pintle mount can't shoot past the tracks and the dead center of the front armor where most of the dakka is incoming is the driver's seat and it just isn't a scout.
Why can't I just have razorbacks, damnit.

>>96323678
Telepathy also looks neat, even just for the Fear 1

>>96323695
>Why can't I just have razorbacks
I mean, we basically do anon, only better.
>heavy bolter
>multimelta
>heavy flamer
>havoc launcher

>>96323713
I want pintle combi bolter and pintle multi melta AND twin heavy bolter AND hunter killer missile though.

>>96323724
Speaking of funny options, I wonder how useful a spartan would be with the gravis heavy bolter array thing.
8 shots, suppressive(2). The thing could genuinely mess up a gun line.

>>96323682
Shield wall lasting til the end of the phase means the entire fight phase anon, not just charge subphase

War was always here. Even before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner.

>>96323713
Remember what they took from you

>>96323773
You misunderstand. Shield Wall is a reaction which can only be declared in the opponent's shooting or charge phase. The biomancy psychic blessing is a power you can only cast in your own charge phase. Both actions can never happen in the same player turn.

What does Rending do on a template weapon?

>>96323878
Rends.

>>96323878
Doesn't roll to hit, no rends

>>96323783
>The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner.

>>96322588
this is the way

>>96323910
What right man would have it any other way?

>>96322827
[Blasphemy] I don't want to Pin the tank. I don't want to Suppress and least of all do I care about Stunning it. I want to KILL the tank. Not a mobility kill, a true kill.
And even Rhinos are 5 HP, so yes, it has to be a D6 gun. That's right, ranged. I don't want to spend half the game on just getting there, I want to kill as soon as i get to see it.
I would want to kill it beyond the horizon, but I know everyone's still shell shocked from 1.0's AP2 blast palooza. I will not ignore the tank, I will not shock the tank, I'll kill the tank.

Though I'll also have to watch out for those 80 MEQ out there too. I hear those tend to proliferate if you devote all your stuff towards hard antitank

All done, what to get next

>>96323833
aren't blessings reactions? a unit can only react once a turn? so if you use a psychic blessing you can't use other reactions and vice versa?

>>96323979
Not all blessings are reactions, no. And you can indeed only use one reaction per turn, psychic or otherwise.

>>96323035
Unironically Land Raiders with terminators:
1. LR (6 Lascannons) and Terminators (20 bolter shots) both shoot at the Tactical blob furthest away. This kills about 5 Tacs, enough to make them test for Rout
2. The LR shoots its heavy flamer pintle at another squad, which will make them test for Rout. At Ld8, Rout is about 50-50, meaning at this point at least one squad will be Routed
3. Units no longer need to charge the unit they fired at, meaning those Terminators can charge the closest unit. They will win, and thus Rout another unit
400 pts of LR + Termies already Routed 400 pts of Tacticals, and they can keep going, while the Tacticals can't. Also, you still have 600 pts of stuff you can use.
As for those who would claim one Land Raider won't be in a position to fight 60 marines at once, yes it will. It can move as fast as those guys get to run, and there's only so much space to place 60 marines, let along a hundred.
And you can afford two and a half such spearheads to their hundred Tacs, and they can't afford anti AV14, because it's either that or a hundred Tacs

But yeah, "ignore" the Land Raiders LMAO

>>96324021
>Assuming every routed check is guaranteed to fail
Ok bud.

What are you working on anons? Shit pic, but building some Veteran Breachers

>>96324140
IW anon you've basically smashed out an entire army in like a month

>>96324140
>>96324144

>>96324144
I've been on holiday for a month, but the students are back soon and I won't be doing anything resembling satisfying hobby until October half term

>>96324140
Undercoating all the tokens before painting them. Going to go for:
>Stunned - purple
>Suppressed - yellow
>Pinned - orange
>Routed - red
>Objectives: bronze
All the numbers and icons gonna be black.

>>96324140
Work continues on the thanatars, just need another day or two to finish up

>>96324197
Nice, big scary blob of units. How are Thanatars looking? Haven't even looked at my Mech allies yet

>>96324217
NTA but thanatars still look pretty decent. Very tough with good ranged weapons, though the sollex lascannon is somewhat less deadly than in the previous edition.

I have a couple of questions:
How do you kill tactical squads without incurring crippling losses?
How do you charge something that has the same initiative as you without incurring crippling losses on volley fire?

>>96324121
>Have a thing be 50-50 chance of success
>Do it twice
>Don't expect at least one success
Yawn

>>96324239
>How do you kill tactical squads without incurring crippling losses?
Shoot them when they can't return fire, or from outside 24" range, or with something that laughs at str 4 ap 5, or in close combat with any remotely CC capable unit.

>How do you charge something that has the same initiative as you without incurring crippling losses on volley fire?
Reach base contact with the set up move, apply stunned or suppressed status, charging a unit without proper ranged weapons to do volley fire with, just pass those saves

>>96324239
You shoot them with the infantry killing thing you brought to kill infantry with.

>>96324217
They're less extreme, but still very strong.

Cavas lost firepower, but gained indirect fire and double range when not moving. Calix lost shots but still does a good amount of damage. Their giant wound pool and good defensive profile means they can survive a lot of shooting and then get repaired next turn since Battlesmith now restores (X) wounds. Good unit.

>>96324353
Also the twin mauler bolt cannon is pinning 2.

>>96324364
Does the mauler bolt cannon have breaching as well now, or am I mis-remembering things?

>>96324375
No it has Shred. 4+ on the twin one 5+ on the single. Not super useful against most units but daemons are going to hate that.

>>96324281
Power armor doesn't laugh at str4 ap5 right? I also can't figure out how to apply statuses to them without getting mulched on the return fire, except for something like a Sicaran or autocannon predator.
>Reach base contact with the setup move
You can't do that if they have the same initiative as you. You have to stay outside of combat range and they can reposition outside of your setup move because it's the same distance as your setup move.

>>96324414
Actually now that I think about it Terminators don't either.

>>96324414
You could use a Rhino's pintle havoc launcher for all you cared. Space Marines may not spam SA Multilasers, but basically anything can get a Stunning (no reactions) havoc launcher now
>it's the same distance as your setup move.
Unless you used something faster, like Assault marines, who have twice the attacks for 1.4x the cost. Though they'd need to be at 1" distance away (the Tacs reposition 4", the Assaults Setup 5"). Besides Space Wolves, idk who can give extra Set Up distance to Assault marines.

>>96324414
Tactical marines shooting bolters only gets scary for 3+ power armour when it's a squad of 20. Nobody is impressed by a 10 man tactical squad shooting back.

Units can only do one reaction each turn now. If the unit moves back with reposition, you shoot the fuck out of them because they can no longer return fire. Then you charge anyway, because most volley fire is fucking pathetic you aren't seriously scared of some bolt pistols, are you? and the unit can't use Overwatch either. You're making way too big of a deal out of volley fire, unless you're charging terminators or bikes or something volley fire isn't gonna do shit, it's snap shots too in most cases.
Set up move also isn't just initiative, it has its own table. Assault marines or other units with jump pack already have a 5" set up move. Most marine characters will have a 4" set up move You move the closest model first, so this edition you literally want your characters to be leading the charge to cover extra distance

Reaction points are also limited. In most instances there will be way more valuable units than tactical squads that your opponent will use their reaction points on.

>>96324459
I've been fucking up and shooting tac marines at tac marines a lot, but every time I do I lose double to triple the amount I kill.
Also wow I've been doing setups wrong then, woops. Still, makes it even harder to charge something because they just reposition away from you in the movement and then you get mauled in volley fire.

>>96324480
>shooting tac marines at tac marines a lot, but every time I do I lose double to triple the amount I kill

That's either terrible dice luck which can't be fixed, or shooting your tacs into a bigger tactical squad - in which case what else did you expect.

Also try to think more with units supporting each other. If the tactical squad returns fire into your tactical squad, you can now safely shoot those tacticals with something else. Same thing with moving units close for a charge: first move other units closer to try and bait out the reposition, then move your killy melee unit in range after they moved. The ol' one-two mindset as I like to call it.

>>96324480
There's more reactions and less reaction points now, anon. If the enemy repositions, they might not be able to Return Fire or Overwatch afterwards.
Also in 2.0 it was about what gimmick your Tacticals had. IW and DG tacs had ways to Fury on the move, AL could position themselves in rapid fire range while the enemy still counted them as single shot, etc. You may want to do similar idk your legion

>>96324503
They've been ten man into ten man. One time I killed two and lost four but I had moved so that's fair, but I've killed two and lost six a couple times as well.
I guess I can try to put more units into a squad but that always feels like a losing battle; if I focus too hard on one squad I'm gonna get mauled next turn by all the stuff I ignored. And trying to figure out who to sacrifice to return fire is super hard because none of them are worth less than the tac squad I'm shooting.
>>96324508
I'm thousand sons and while it was tough going in 2.0 my tacs had shred which helped a lot, and now in 3.0 I don't really have an excuse.

>>96324517
I'm just wondering what other units you are using that your opponent can afford the luxury of using return fire with a 10 man tactical squad. Is there nothing else in your list that applies pressure during the movement phase threatening a charge, with ranged damage output during the shooting phase, and/or multiple units that can attempt a charge?

>>96324528
List I brought my last one on one was two ten man tacs, a VHSS with the aetherfire cannons, a TSS with the blasters, praetor in a command squad, prosperine sorcerer, and an osiron. One side of the board my VHSS killed a tartaros squad but then got routed and my tacs on that side died. On the other side my praetor deathstar and the TSS chugged along in the rhino while my tacs went up to try to sit on points. The rhino disgorged its contents to wipe up some cenobium, which took that entire flank both the shooting and fight phases to do, while my contemptor shot a leviathan and got taken down to one wound, then charged it and since I didn't know what implacable advance did, died in volley fire.

>>96324528
>>96324550
Oh one thing we fucked up was having 3RP instead of 2 (base alottment and master of the Legion), and using reactions on the same unit in the same turn; my tactical squad set up to charge the unit, got repositioned away from, and then died in overwatch.

>>96324583
In that case you just need to play a few more games, using the correct rules for reaction points and limitations. Using multiple reactions on the same unit in one turn completely changes the game, you can't really draw conclusions or learn anything from that.

>>96324644
Makes sense. Game I had tonight a Saturnine squad killed nine out of ten of a tac squad of mine in indirect (only reason I lived is I saved one of the four breaches with a cover save, we're not even sure I was allowed to do that) while killing eight out of a twenty man of my teammate's, then my teammate charged his praetor furball out of a land raider at that same squad who then killed it in volley fire because it repositioned outside of setup.

>>96323986
>>96323979
>>96323833

Yeah I had the same thought a few weeks back until I worked out how that worked.
I did come up with a janky Biomantic Rage option for Iron Warriors involving Graviton Maces, but then I realised that the Thunder Hammer is on the same equipment list at the same points and is better. Like, there's nothing wrong with Shock (Pinning) and Armourbane, but AP2 is AP2.

>>96324312

Mate thats EVERYTHING in the game apart from, three, four weapons?

>>96324727
A bit more than that actually. A lot of dedicated tank killing weapons now only have like two, three shots max with high damage. Completely lacking the rate of fire needed to really do much about infantry, unless the weapon can be spammed in a unit.

>>96323695
Visibility isn't ACTUALLY necessary for the Land Raider Explorator because if all the scanning equipment it carries. The LR was originally a Survey vehicle for colonists landing on dangerous worlds after all.

>>96323959
Warlord titan.
Land Raiders.
More terminators

>>96324727
That's not really how I see it.

NIGHT LORDS OR WORLD EATERS?

I quite like the night lords novels, but I also feel a burning urge to kill everyone I see.

>>96324947
IRON WARRIORS

>>96324947
>I quite like the night lords novels

This is not because of the night lords. This is because ADB is a good author. Unless you really enjoy the edgy/gothic nature of NL

>I want to kill everyone

This describes like, half of the traitor legions, including night lords, not just the WE.

>>96324947
Are you a tranny? Then you like night lords. Do you feel "that's so me" when you listen to dawn of war khorne berserker voice lines? Then you like world eaters.

>>96322605
>medusa Mortar will pick up 2~3 marines a shooting phase direct fire
Oh no?
>Sure the HSS can pick up a squad of lasrifles but he's spending 250 points to pick up 100 points of chaff, I win that trade
And what happens when he proceeds to kill another 100pts of chaff the next turn, because your medusa killed like two of them and that still leaves more than enough to clear the unit?

>I get to shoot him with my Mortar as an auxilia exclusive reaction
Cool, if he shoots a unit of infantry next to your medusa, it can deal some chip damage back.

>>96323035
Kill them?

>>96324021
>. The LR shoots its heavy flamer pintle at another squad
You know what the range of a flamer is right?

>. At Ld8, Rout is about 50-50
At LD7 you have a 58% chance to pass. At LD8 its much higher.

>meaning those Terminators can charge the closest unit.
Terminators being really well known for their speed and mobility.

>>96325027
I can bring 2 medusas for every Volkite HSS, he fires once, annihilates 20 dudes, I reaction fire a medusa, then next turn I shoot him with 2 more, he's now lost between 6 and 9 bodies.

Best case scenario his remaining 4 guys fire one more time, score 9 wounds, I fail 5 saves and then lose 3 more dudes to deflagrate, he killed 132 points worth of auxilia chaf for 250 points.

8 auxilia out of 20 isn't even enough to trigger a panic test thanks to the auxilia vexila. Next turn one of my medusa Mortars and the damaged lasrifle section finish off his HSS while my other Mortar starts shooting the objectives.

He could have accomplished the same result for cheaper bringing heavy bolters instead. Or brought autocannons for an extra 50 points and killed my medusas.

Volkites are dangerous because they are a lot of shots thst wound marines on a 2+ and generate extra wounds on unsaved wounds. Thing is fucking everything already wounds Aux on a 2+ and the culverin is literally the only heavy weapon a HSS can carry they actually get an armour save against so even with deflagrate its still only got 75% of the effectiveness of the cheaper HB which has the same number of shots, also wounds on a 2+ and Is AP4.

>>96325070
>I can bring 2 medusas for every Volkite HSS
And he can bring two rapiers (more or less, its like 10pts over (or was it under?) for each medusa. Which will comfortably kill a medusa each.

So only trannies play night lords, right? Anyone who plays night lords and claims to not be a tranny is a closeted tranny/repper, correct?

>>96324947
Its really hard to make WE interesting, on the tabletop or otherwise.

>>96325095
Go on. Is charging a wave of melee infantry into your opponent not fun?

>>96325093
big tranny energy. Our LGS Tranny calls the other NL player, a classic Chud, an 'egg' an they both love the same Vtuber.

>>96325109
Why does the non-tranny NL player not simply fuck the tranny player into submission?

>>96325093
Trannies, or the kind of psychotic women that want to marry serial killers.

>>96325109
>an they both love the same Vtuber.
Based.

>>96325090
Alpha legion Auxilia motherfucker, you're shooting my lasrifles with those laser destroyers as well. Ultima Cohort so my first diversion or fire support is literally free. I suppose you could avoid the fire support reaction fire by shooting your rapiers first and forcing me to protect the medusas with auxilia so they're no longer eligible for fire support but that just means both my medusas need to shoot you turn 2 to make up for it and you kill an extra 3 aux.

That forces a coinflip panic test I can clear with The Legates command Vox while he cowers in a corner behind a dracosan and desperately hopes you didn't do something smart like bring your own barrage weapons.

There's plenty of shit marines can bring which fuck up the SA but Volkite Culverins aren't it, Heavy Bolters are so much scarier to me and they're cheaper too.

>>96324830
Wish it was easier to get more terminators

>>96325128
So if a guy plays night lords, you'd accuse him of being a tranny???

>>96325109
>Our LGS Tranny calls the other NL player, a classic Chud, an 'egg'
I'm not even kidding when I say you need to beat this person to within an inch of their life
If you don't your playgroup WILL dissolve

>>96325149
Yes. And if it's a genuine woman, you run for your fucking life.

This is a terrible attempt at baiting and larping.

>>96325137
>Alpha legion Auxilia motherfucker, you're shooting my lasrifles with those laser destroyers as well.
Its a shame you used your reactions on returning fire to kill like two dudes with a medusa, isnt it? Sure would have been nice to have reactions left. Oh well.

So have you guys actually been playing any games of 3.0? Are you finding it good?
I haven't played any because I don't like the core rules

>>96325194
You do know what ultima cohorts do right?

Unless you're talking about the AL aux reaction in which case I hate to tell you this but the reacting unit there is the human shields. Same with fire support actually. Both consider the lasrifles as the one who reacted even though the medusa is the one shooting.

If theres a lasrifle within 12" of the tank who hasn't reacted yet they can jump in front of the laser destroyers.

>>96325218
Played a game last week, have another scheduled later today. So far the positives far outweigh the negatives for me. But honestly anything that doesn't include Brutal or massed AP 2 pie plates is a win in my book.

>>96325241
>You do know what ultima cohorts do right?
Not let you have free reactions with medusas.

>Same with fire support actually. Both consider the lasrifles as the one who reacted
Which is another problem for you.

>If theres a lasrifle within 12" of the tank who hasn't reacted yet they can jump in front of the laser destroyers.
If only you had reactions left.
Also if theyre in range and LOS of all weapons

>>96325218
I haven't played it yet because I'm a newfag and my army isn't finished yet.

>>96325248
>he still thinks the medusas are the one reacting.

>>96325248
Part 1.

>>96325261
Technically they are.

>>96325270
Fire support doesn't prevent Diversion because the reacting unit isn't the medusa, its the meatshields, see here

>>96325269

And the reacting unit in fire support is still the lasrifles which means you still get to do it once for free with ultima assuming you haven't spent your free reaction for the phase already. Pic related.

>>96325290
>Fire support doesn't prevent Diversion because the reacting unit isn't the medusa, its the meatshields
Who are also the ones reacting for fire support...

>>96325093
Not only NL. Trannies play all of Heresy as well.
Panoptica released a new pdf, with all fanfare today!

We dropped Veterans of Terra, Aus30k and KingFluff events, because they are toxic and never agree with me or my fellow friends.

Anyway, enjoy ^__^

picrel, it's me Codewalrus.

>>96325295
I mean, the unit reacting for fire support was already destroyed by the volkite boys in the first shooting phase but presumably you have more than one lasrifle section in your solar auxilia army, the crusade primary has 4 troop slots and a single line command section in ultima gives you 4 more slots. Thats 160 auxilia boys for 900 points WITH Vox, Vex and the line comnand itself.

If you're playing Ultima you should have at least a hundred auxilia on the board or you're playing it wrong.

>>96325322
Please stop shitposting better than me, I'm trying really hard and you're making it look effortless.

>>96325322
real name?

>>96325323
Yes you should but if your playing auxilia you should only ever take squads of 20 in Dracos.

Most anti infantry is absurd overkill for 10 auxilia, if you want squads of footsloggers take them in 10 man's and trying to destroy them with anything more than a bolter will be a complete waste of your enemies time BUT if your enemy ever wants to shoot anything else you can laugh at him and force him to shoot your ablative infantry anyway.

>>96325341
Olivia Foster. Check zuckbook lel.

>>96325375
I guessed as much after I saw the post there about panoptica

I've got 450 points to spend in my list. I have anti MEQ, lots of anti armour, line, some CC and some ranged. No idea what to do with the last 450. Should I just go mental and add in a superheavy?

>>96325171
What the fuck? I'm a normal guy, I'm not a tranny, and I play NL!!

>>96325533
Don't worry anon,it could be worse
Could be playing iron hands, then the only ones that play are trannies that are WAACfags

>>96325533
At least you don't play thousand sons anon.

>>96325533
I'm afraid you're already a cocksucking troon, anon.

>>96325696
NOOOOOOO

>Word bearers twin lightning claw Assault veterans with Zealous Assault actually do slightly more damage than thunder hammers vs WS5 cataphractii (6.48 vs 6.25)
Huh. Neat.

140 militia is probably not enough militia, is it?

>>96325871
Never mind I forgot that the thunder hammer still has D2 and thus kills twice as many terminators, still no reason to run lightning claws :'(

>>96321878
ugh, rye smoothies were the worst fad, fuck the 90s

>>96325879
You can field 800-900 gnoblars in a 2000pt TOW army. Don’t let those outdo you.

>>96325880
>still no reason to run lightning claws :'(
Killing mass power armor? Which unit would you rather go fight thunderhammer veterans anon, twin LC vets or thunder hammer vets of your own?

>>96325880
Zealous assault is only for troops to begin with

I stuck my planned collection in new recruit all in one list just for fun and it turns out I actually can fit it all in one legal list and still have one detachment slot left. Should

>Primary: Crusade: Saturnine Praetor, Tartaros Centurion (Prime, LB), Librarian, Champion, 10x Tartaros Command Squad (LB), 20x assault squad (Prime, Zealous Assault)

>Apex: Officer Cadre: Delegatus (Prime, LB), Master of Descent, 3x Saturnine Command Squad (LB)

>Apex: Exalted Conclave: 2x20 Despoilers (Prime, True Believers), 2x10 gal vorbak

>Tactical Support: 2x10 plasma tactical support

>Veteran Cadre: 10x praetorian Command squad, 10x tactical veteran squad

>Shock Assault, 2x6 Saturnine Terminators

>Shock Assault, 10x indomitus Terminators, 5x Tartaros Siege Squad

I guess I could use the last detachment slot to bring either a planet fall detachment with 2x10 veteran assault squads to help me fight more elites, or 2x5 ashen circle squads for more ooga booga shenanigans, which do you think would be more helpful considering my existing army

>>96325894
>it's real
Bro seriously what did the word bearers do, did a Paki rape the designer's wife and he's taking it out on the closest target he can do anything about

>>96325897
Do you have anything at all to deal with AV12+?

>>96325907
I need to get a job working in GW so I can actually write WBs.

>>96325917
The tartaros command squad is outfitted with combi-meltas and a mix of power fists and chainfists, and the tartaros siege with have all chainfists and heavy flamers, other than that just melta bombs on sergeants and characters

>>96325533
You don't like jorts and Snapchat filters???

>>96325951
>not Possessed Raptor, or Raptor Possessed, or Possessed with Jump Pack
>Curseclaw

>>96325959
Is he possessed or just a mutant?

>>96325951
Everything about this post is perfect; the reddit attribution, the fucking comic tongue that straight up is lifted from those stupid videos where it blows up the eyes and mouth, the fucking pale chicken limbs, the fucking shortshorts
>cringeclaw
I fucking can't with night lords. They can't be a real faction.

>>96325969
It's a generic Chaos Marine unit for killteam.

>>96325977
And every single one is by coincidence painted like a Night Lord for no reason.

>>96325109
>they both love the same Vtuber
Huh??? I'm lost on this, don't even know what to ask

>>96325994
Becuase it's a night lords box set and the other guy is coping. It's night lords first and foremost and then it gets shoehorned into the chaos codex.

>>96325994
Well it's a single Killteam, so they're all from one faction as per usual, yes.

Anybody knows a good source of tartaros heavy weapons? Specifically heavy flamers. I need at least 4 so bit sellers might not have enough stock. Stls work if they look like the plastic gun in the kit.

>>96325951
ZAMN

>>96325994
Yes, the GW team is painted as NL in the same way the legionaire one was painted as BL, but theyre both generic.

>>96326024
I mean why not grab some cata and indo ones too.

>>96326083
I want the unit to be uniform.

>>96321667 (OP)
Does the way this is worded seriously mean I can only give the free terranic great sword to anyone with a basic bitch bolter (ie like 3 basic bitch hq models?) Why the fuck?

>>96326142
(You can only give it to a centurion)

>>96326142
Yes, it's a roundabout way to make a custom consul. IF and DG have similar ones. It has to be a basic centurion.

The saturation of WE enjoyers here makes me hope for a re-enactment of Bodt with my Iron Hands someday.
>smash despoilers into the mud with grav rapiers
>walk up and volkite the survivors with a TSS or two
lel

>>96324947
JUST FUCKING PICK ONE

>>96324947
In how many more threads will you ask this question?

>>96326242
Autek Mor was based for crashing a literal moon on their "home" world lmao

>>96325969
>I fucking can't with night lords. They can't be a real faction.
Andrew dempsky cumdump already made night lords gay and cringe like 20 years ago desu

>>96325109
>they both love the same Vtuber.
Go on then, tell us who your oshi is egg man

>>96326145
>>96326157
Fucking whatever. Guess I'll just use a force sword with my librarian and give it to him still.

>>96325951
>look at this dooood

>>96326256
I’m inclined to paint them as Morragul, but I might go with a more obscure clan to make a pseudo-mydudes army.

>>96326269
Night Lords were always cringe because their entire gimmick is being edgelords yet they think Chaos is too edgy for them.

>>96326242
Remember Immortals can all take volkites

>>96326383
Oh I remember. I have 10 bionic bodies from Tortuga that are going to get rolled into the first of my big Immortal block. The scale isn’t too far off so I figure those guys and some conversion work on the new Breachers whenever they drop and I’ll be well on my way. Just need to find a good source on shields and Volkite.

>>96326414
The Tortuga fit with NuScale? Pics?

>>96325959
He is a Nightlord character, so the name has to stay on theme. Though Raptors in general have had the lightning molded onto their armor, so a generic name would have also made sense.

>>96326269
Those novels are kino. The new raptor minis are not.

>>96321667 (OP)
What you guys think about black legion m? Have a buddy who orders from them that says they're solid but just double checking noone has any horror stories or anything

>>96326306
Theyre so grimdark theyve come out grimcringe.

>>96326470
I just have the bodies, I haven’t taken any pics of them stood next to the Mk VI and Mk III guys I have, but they’re slightly taller and bulkier. Here’s a pic I found on DDG, I think they’ll work fine.

>>96326470
>>96326507
Better pic of a nu-Mk III and a Tortuga Mk III

>wanted to play world eaters
>find out someone at lgs already plays world eaters

FUCK IT'S THE DEATH GUARD PROBLEM ALL OVER AGAIN ALL THE LEGIONS I LIKE ARE TOO POPULAR

>>96326507
thin you're primer

>>96322980

Suppressed units are also Init1 and can't score, so it's a good way to just completely fuck someone.

>>96326555
>noooo I can’t play a warband of a fractious psychopath legion that could feasibly fight amongst itself because I won’t be special to the autists at my LGS
You are a pitiful, homosexual coward. Play Night Lords, it suits you.

>>96326567
>you’re
I just said I found those, they aren’t mine.

I think I'm a dumdum. Can templates still fire if they're being forced to do snap shots?

>>96326555
>likes basic bitch Legions
>surprised there are already players

>>96326580
NTA BUT WHY DO YOU KEEP CALLING US NL PLAYERS HOMOS??? why does this thread keep calling us trannies wtf??? Am I being gaslit into trooning out? Is that what this is??? Are you fuckers so gay that you want me to troon out so you can rape me? You're disgusting fags, all of you.

>>96326580
this

>>96326588
the basic bitch legions are Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors, actually.

>>96326555
There are only 18 legions and far more people play HH, time to pack up and play something else anon.

>>96326591
This is the kind of hysterical response I’d expect from a gay.

>>96326596
The basic traitors are.
>WE
>DG
>TS
>IW

The basic Loyalists are
>BA
>DA
>SW
>IF

AL and IH are WAACfag legions

>>96326540
Wow numkiii looks like shit. Numkii looks great, numkvi looks great except the shitty heads. Where will MKIV fall?

>>96326630
>TS
>not WAAC
I see you, Magnus

>>96326630
>Ultramarines are not basic loyalists
Impossible...

>>96326596
This is so fundamentally true makes it me wonder what >>96326630 is smoking.

>>96326645
TS are WAAC, gay and basic, the unholy trifecta, no other legion accomplished this.

>trying to take phosphex quad mortars sucks up an additional 115 points due to the fucking retarded siege breaker tax
>can't take any cool shit as a result

FUCK.

I was building my new Mk2 Centurion when a tiny piece of leg trim snapped off because the sprue design is fucking retarded and the trim is thinner than the sprue connection. It took me a good 10 minutes to reattach it because its so finicky and I'm getting too old for this shit.
I then went through the FB page gallery to see if anyone else had experienced this and I shit you not, literally every photo upload is broken in the same place.
Anyone who has built this guy, I implore you to check his leg.

>>96326654
Siege breakers are flat good, are you stupid? Thunder hammer, Signum for the rapiers, and phosphex bombs are pure gas.

>>96326638
Nu-Mk III is fine. A helmet swap improves it, but the basic heads are fine.

>>96326654
If you want the hot stuff you'll pay for it.

>>96326648
They don’t include Ultramarines on the generic decal sheets that came in the Mk2 box….

>>96326657
Why are complaining about something literally no one cares when you can't be arsed to fit the cap without a gap. Also is that a stormcast bit?

>>96326576
but they clear their suppressed at the end of their own turn

>>96326630
If you keep getting raped by AL and IH players it’s nothing but a skill issue on your part.

>>96326591
What is with you guys, seriously

>>96326654
I wanted to take the phosquads myself, but I need at least one of the quad bits to convert a Land Raider into an Achilles.

>>96326680
Nice Immortals, anon

>>96326555
>Playing marines
>complaint about being too popular
truly suffering from your own sucess

>>96326680
>Think IH are the coolest legion due to my love for cybernetics and cyborgs
>Consistenly amazing legion trait
>Now this edition is the "unkillable tanks" edition

>>96326713
That was my experience, too. I also just read about the “Keys of Hel” thing that the IH utilize to basically resurrect dead marines using cybernetics. I’m going to paint the flesh on my Immortals pale and horrible, like the Strogg since they’re basically cyber-undead

>>96326555
Luna Wolves
Indigo or hot pink AL
War Hounds
Dusk Raiders

>>96326713
>Think IH are the coolest legion due to

Well we know it's not for the primarchs name...

>>96326669
Ah then that's on me. It shows how out of touch I am with HH lately.

>>96326662
>signum for the rapiers
Doesn't that require him to be attached? And therefore not use his phosphex bombs and thunder hammer because you absolutely do NOT want rapiers in melee?

>>96326732
>War Hounds
I cannot explain the seething I do when someone paints WEs in white with RED accents. It makes me supermad from a color theory and legion evolution perspective.

>>96326555
beat 'em at their own game (Warhammer: The Horus Heresy – Age of Darkness)

>>96326753
Warhounds are still white and blue but more blue than white.

>>96326766
>>96326753
We have like one image from the black books, and their icon is a red hound/hound's head. Don't think it would be unreasonable for them to have red accents.

>>96326790
But we know that they're blue and brass with white as a tertiary.

>>96326790
It would be. Having seen a lot of LIgma WE that mix white, blue and red I know it would also look bad.

>>96326753
I know they have red shoulder pads but that's like mid-heresy before going full red.

>>96326740
I care either for the cybenetic shit or the fact they lean into celtic bs, though they go for a Scottish unlike Raven Guard.
Still would make one Iron Lord(I think that's their Praetor-like leader) themed after Silverarm.

>>96326713
>>Now this edition is the "unkillable tanks" edition
IH have no benefit to their tanks

>>96326845
they have good tank fixer-uppers, they have a good tank detachment, and lore-wise you should be spamming tanks

>>96326845
Except the IH vehicle upgrade that eats souls-I mean gets mad when friendlies die nearby

>>96326818
That tiny little fuck Pardo has red shoulders on his, more evidence in my favor

>>96326808
>brass
Hell yeah, like Our God of Blood. I paint a lot of brass trim on my dudes

>>96326852
Initially I thought it just recycled the armor from the fallen to fix the tank but no, it straight up eats souls

Is it me, or are cataphractii terminators fucking useless?

>if their spartan dies, they can only move 6" and can only charge up to 6" because of the new charge rules. They will never make it into combat if their spartan dies to, idk, two sicaran venators like my buddy has
>if they deep strike in certain legions, people can just run away and be faster because cataphractii are slow as balls

Why the fuck would you ever take them?

>>96326591
>Are you fuckers so gay that you want me to troon out so you can rape me?
That thought being one of the first things that popped into your head when other men talk down to you is exactly why you're gay like most NL players anon. t. buttslut who takes it regularly and has a gf that likes to watch

>>96326894
I'M SURROUNDED BY FAGS!!!!!!!!!!!

For once, I'm actually excited for Blackshields rules. Having one extra layer of customisation in being able to build your own legion rules on top of the slightly anaemic options for individual characters might make putting together Marine allied detachments rather more entertaining - Solar Aux manage a decent amount of variety just from Legion Auxilia + Cohort traits.

Jank as they were, I kind of miss the old pile of relics from HH1e, with the psyker brain in a jar or the tome of demonology you could throw on any IC.

>>96326888
Because they have a 4+ invuln and are cheaper than Tartaros

>>96326894
>that fucked up arm
Lmao NLfags

>>96326888
>WHY DO THEY KEEP RUNNING FROM MY SLOW ASS TERMIS REEE
Do you guys just not play actual missions with objectives that force him to come to you? Like at all?

>>96326924
Termies have Vanguard, not Line. They're supposed to take objectives, not hold them.

>>96326913
The magra veneficarum was such a fluffy thing that even 2.0 re-added it as a warlord trait even if it lost both name and fluff.

>>96326933
And you think once you take the objective, you can't just chill behind a ruin or something in proximity to it until he tries to come.and take it back? That you have to keep walking your durdly ass past it out in the opponent so you can get blown to hell?

>>96326555
>DEATH GUARD
stinky

How do you guys think about and decide on pintle and sponson weapons for vehicles?

>>96326918
Oh yeah, guess I was more preoccupied with things people would actually see on the tabletop, like de chaosifying the trim a bit so the fit a little better with the late heresy vibe

>>96326936

Aetherkine Projectors were also neat, I liked my generic Knight Errant with biomancy mind bullets, aetherkine, combi-plasma and Preferred Enemy who would drop in and unleash hell. Sadly generic KEs as build-your-own-Consul would largely defeat the point of the new Astartes HQ setup, so we're not getting him back.

>>96326986
Looks great, I couldn't even tell it was converted from a csm at first.

God damn it. I can't seem to make a list that fits both two squads of night raptors (one hammer, one chainglaive) and four quad mortar rapiers with a siege breaker together properly while also trying to fit in 10 cataphractii. Anything I try, and the list goes to shit and doesn't have enough anti vehicle

>>96326968
Pintle mounted weapons: what looks cool or matches the tone of the vehicle
Sponson weapons: volkite or lascannons because those heavy bolters only have magazines for a few seconds of shooting and can't be reloaded.

>>96326968
Oops! All havoc launchers!

>>96326993
There were a lot of neat things I hoped they would've expanded upon but they never did. Well I guess now people can resurrect thralls and maybe the cyber-blackshields are meant to be under the sarcosan wave generators so that's one thing that's been done.

>>96327044
Havoc launchers only belong on artillery vehicles or rhinos.
Vindicators with demolishers are artillery

>>96326968

Mechanically, anything with a status is quite attractive on transports that don't otherwise fight, so I'm a fan of Havoc Rhinos this time around. I'm also thinking that hunter-killer missiles might not be a bad bet in four turn games, especially for the tanks that can take them for 5pts. For some reason Rhinos pay 10.

For sponsons I tend to pick for pure light show, so Multilas/Volkite/Flamer.

>>96326968
Depends on the unit but I just go for what fits the vehicle more and looks better.

>>96327016
>night raptors with chainglaives are meq blenders
>night raptors with hammers are termie blenders
>cataphractii can be built as meq blenders with lightning claws. But they need a spartan, unless you have altramentar upgrade. Which is difficult to get because a praetor, siege breaker for the phosphex and presumably a Centurion costs a lot
>phosphex quad mortars destroy meqs and can proc status effects for the melee infantry

That's a lot of anti-meq there, boss. 2 rapier laser destroyers aren't hard to smack into a list to provide basic anti vehicle. If the cataphractii are in a spartan, you could use the lascannon arrays to provide a bit of AV firepower, but don't rely on it. Melta dreadnought (Leviathan or Contemptor) could help.

>>96325151
Either that or they molest a kid. I’m doing the work trying to get my locals one removed cause he keeps posting pornography in parts of the LGs’ discord where kids are allowed

>>96327066
Can't hear you over the shrieking rockets
>getstunnedgetstunnedgetstunned

>>96327119
That's easy, threaten to show it to police, newspaper, etc, etc

>>96327016
>I cant fit 800pts of raptors, four phosphex mortars and 10 terminators in one list while taking more
Yea? Thats a lot of stuff.

>>96325218
Yeah it’s certainly better than the shitshow that was 2.0. Everything has a purpose, even the “bad” units this edition

>>96325218

I've only played one and spectated one so far, not sure how I like it overall. I dig Volley Fire though, it makes shooting/melee hybrid units a lot more interesting to play than they used to be and makes dedicated ranged and dedicated close quarters shooting units vary in satisfying ways. Automata getting to close quarters with Firestorm and Implacable Advance to fire twice before charging are real terrors, even the Castellax were killing a few marines with sheer volume of S6.

>>96326894
I like that color for night lords, the standard blues we see on them kinda suck imo

>>96325322
What's funny is PanO might actually be a halfway decent document this time around if they follow through on the "no balance changes or erratas, just new/restored units, options, and FAQs"

>>96325218
The rules are terribly organized and often fail to detail things (like you can't charge if you rush, but only find that out in the charge phase section)

>>96327016
One centurion takes care of 2 raptors and 2 terminators. Stop whining. This is why people are calling your legion players .... emotional

>>96327126
I feel like havoc launchers are more of a *th-WHUMP* as they fire

>>96327330
But the new shit was the gayest part, no one gives a fuck about bumfuck captain from BL, people used pano to fix how pathetic non-marime armies were

>>96325218
Three games in, and it's been fun thus far but we also grandfathered in things immediately and are probably going to change up terrain, dreads, and deepstrike. We really like no rerolls. Vehicles are interesting, if a little cursed. We considered fixing 2e but the issues were so fucked up compared to patching 3e we are sticking with 3e for now. Hobby and playing are biggest parts for us. GWs arbitrary corpo bs can stay in their events.

>>96327454
I always hear the whistling rocket barrage sfx.

>>96327487
I love it

>>96327164

I genuinely have no idea what the purpose of a Praevian is
95pts of unarmed deadweight who's more expensive than the allied Techpriest to do the same thing except without Comptroller

>>96327531
Or the Armistos who can only implacable advance with a heavy flamer

>>96327531
>I genuinely have no idea what the purpose of a Praevian is

GW FOMO for mechanicuhtards

>>96326591
I mean, I play NL and I'm gay so I guess they are onto something

>>96327626
>Night Lords
>Batman but Gay

>>96327635
BUT gay?

>>96327531

I've been pleasantly surprised by the affordability of chump Enginseers given that they're troops. I'm still cursing Mech's lack of jump pack options, but even the lesser Troop techpriests can be Archimandrites, which boosts them up to 9/9/8/8 on the advanced characteristics and allows them to join allied units at no penalty, making them dirt cheap cybertheurgist Chaplains who can battlesmith and tote gravguns/meltaguns, or pay 25pts for a cyber-familiar and basic cybertheurgy for a 60% chance to give your vehicles/dreadnoughts +1BS. Even with the cybertheurgy package and a grav gun they're only 65pts.

Mech can also put one in the Prime Troop slot and get 10/10/9/9, which is incredibly good, but they can't then join that guy to anything that really cares because the units that really need a morale boost plus a good caster are, yet again, the jump pack units, and their slow shooty units have specific Arcana requirements for their buff spells or want Cybernetica attendants to make them score.

I'm just starting Mechanicum and I have a mix of plastic and resin Thrallax and I'm not quite sure how to equip them
I have 5 resin ones with Lightning guns and 1 with what I think is a Phased Plasma-fusil, as well as 6 more plastic ones that have a choice of equipment but I have not played before so I have no idea what is good. Can I get some advice on what's good for them?
I was originally just buying things to paint but I'm thinking of giving HH an actual go

>>96327673
Phased plasma is pretty good

>>96327531
When they were added they had a specific wargear designator thingamajig and their retinue had special rules and wargear based off which legion they were.

>>96323959
with flyer rules the way they are, I think I could just paint a LI storm eagle/fire raptor and use them as a token lol

>>96327673

This edition's Thallax are solid units and really love loading up on special weapons, since every model can take one. Their standard lightning guns are nothing to write home about in damage terms but can debuff enemy units just by scoring a few hits, so you'll want a couple per squad to reliably proc suppression tests and take the first hits when the squad is fired upon. Half or two-thirds of each squad running around with any of the special weapons they can take is a solid idea. All of the weapons they come with are good - phased-plasma fusils eat through 3+ armour Marine squads for cheap, multimeltas and photon thrusters chunk terminators, custodes and light/medium vehicles.


Theoretically there's very little wrong with mixing multimeltas and photon thrusters in the same squad, they have the same range and similar target profiles, but I haven't tried it because I tend to play online and it's nice and neat to have one squad with four multimeltas and one squad with four thrusters.

>>96327718
Real. They need an option to stay on so they can actually get shot and exist.

>>96327765
Thank you, I really appreciate it.

>>96327785
I kind of like that they can only be shot by reaction on the turn they arrive but it gives the impression they're super low level

>>96327886
I don't like the reserve roll worsening on a 4 turn game

>>96327891
Yeah that's lame too.

>>96327164

> meanwhile, the Scorpius

Have you seen any pics of the new Indomitus kit converted for 30k? I love the new imposing scale

>>96327945
Ultra-Anon has some that look great

>>96327962
Ultra-Anon, I summon thee

>>96327860

With what you've got I'd probably do one squad with three plasmas and one squad with 2x melta, 2x thruster, which is a little less plasma than I'd like but is still a 150-160pt squad that will happily get in a shooting match with its points in tactical marines and win as long as they don't somehow get you in melee. If you ever get another box you can go up to three squads of six, each of which has four of each special weapon, or two squads of nine, which is their max squad size. No idea how magnetisable the plastic kits are, though.

>>96327982
Mad Max ahhhh marine

Speaking of scale coincidently: what the fuck’s with Cataphractii? I finally put some together and glued my Sgt to the base and noticed….he’s a damn midget!?! He’s not even that wide like I initially thought. Pulled out some other models for comparison and yup….dude’s tiny. It’s kinda cute in a silly way. All the lore and art makes em out to be monstrous and then he’s barely bigger than a 5e Marine and the Preator looks beefier too. Whose scale is outta whack? I don’t normally care but damn. Hell I wonder if the ol metal 2/3e Termies are bigger? Gave my last away ages ago but if anyone has one out there to compare I’d love to see it

Pic for comparison (AoD Preator-BT Castellan-Cata-MkVI-MKVII 5e-MkII metal)

>>96328044
Old scale vs nu-scale

>>96327982
I can't stand how off-center he is on that base.

>>96327945
I got pic related, not mine
>>96328044
Catas and Tartaros are in the old scale, yeah. But GW has already teased new upscaled versions of both with volkite chargers and power weapons

so 3.0 is dead on arrival isnt it?

>>96328104
its a clean green, any idea how it was done?

>>96328044
People think having marines at something retarded like 125% of their 10+ year size adds a couple of inches to their dicks so GW made worse kits(compared to plastic mk3/mk4) with less options and retarded cuts, etc... and everyone clapped. Nothing new.

can an allied detachment....well, take detachments?

>>96328136
READ nigga, READ

>>96328155
I dont own a rulebook because i'm nit giving the GW kikes money
>but theres a scan
ain't downloading it, just answer

>>96328122
Nope.

>>96328158
Eat shit

>>96328158
Borrow a friends book or read their scan, we're not here to spoonfeed you retard, go to reddit if you want that.

>>96328158
What would be the point? What would you do with such information?

>>96328009
Sadly I only have two each of the special weapons, other than the plasma-fusil but I will try and see what I can do

>>96328185
well if they cant, nothing further
if they can, allied SA artillery

>>96328193
Why does that matter if you're not gonna download the rule book or get a physical one?? You can't play without know what the rules are.

>>96328193
Then yes.

>>96328190

You did mention you had one resin one with a Fusil, so that makes for a total of three special weapons in the anti-infantry squad. The second squad of six can have all the meltas and thrusters, and then both of them get filled out with resin lightning gunners.

>>96327544
which nobody else can do with a heavy flamer

>>96327487
yeah no rerolls is a bold choice but a welcome one

>>96327531
better Ld, better Int (unmodified with base wargear for both, the Praevian does 1 battlesmith 35/36, the Tech-priest does 2 battlesmith ~3/4, so much more of a gamble - the Praevian is 35% more likely to succeed), better armour, invul and FNP (worse T but this is easily offset by those saves and the extra W), comes with the cyber-familiar and cortex controller than cost +30 points for the Tech-priest

Comptroller and Master of Machines allows Automata scoring (which is probably good for Thanatar) but Master of Automata allows joining Automata without reducing characteristics (and regardless of Faction the way its worded)

Praevians also get to play with Legion armouries and Traits, so for example a WS Praevian can give Move Through Cover for +10 points, SW can have a sacrificial Praevian that dies in a Challenge and adds Attacks to the robuts, BA Prime Praevian can confer Fear (1), Salamanders are stupidly resilient etc etc; Narik Dreygur is probably worth babysitting with a unit of Automata in an assault role

>>96328395
Found the dev. Could you unfuck deepstrike please?

Armistos still useless btw

>Numk2 tactical squad released
>Cool, should be fun to mix it with Numk3
>it's the same 5x poses, right? Should be easy to swap everything
>mfw the poses are fucking cute differently on the sprue
>mfw same shit for numk6 all along

Genuinely, from the bottom of my heart, eat shit James Whoreshop, you greedy fucking cunts

>>96326749
No, it does not.

>>96328439
>can’t into using an xacto knife

>>96328439
But they are bigger now which means they are better.

>>96328439
>mfw the poses are fucking cute
anon?

>>96328483
Live by what you preach, you dog
>>96328489
Space marine kawaii desu, Sigi-kun!

>>96328439
It’s because they’re trying new designs to limit mouldlines from not being nearly as bad as mk6. It seems to have worked since I have to work to see mould lines on the mk2. Genuinely just do 3 seconds of cutting and it works

Gentlemen, as much as scans are useful, has GW released digital versions of the rulebook and Libers? If so, I'd appreciate a share, if not, hopefully it'll happen.

>>96328548
>Genuinely just do 3 seconds of cutting and it works
I'd rather not transform 40 marines into 20 marines
I'm happy for you if you have the hands of a surgeon, but me I don't.

But hey, fuck me I guess, welcome to modern warhammer, where you get fucked by the company and the other players

>>96328489
Reminder that this is how John French looks

>>96328526
I’m not the one crying about the poses, homo.

>>96328591
You're baiting faggot, who the fuck cares what you think?

>>96328597
>baiting
>because I suggested using a knife to swap the torsos as you like
Ok, you fucking retard. Hope that frustration manifests as a stroke, cheesedick.

>>96328561
Dude you don’t have to gnaw them in half lmao. Just saw at the hips. One cut, cutting behind the belt buckle. If you fuck up they sell green stuff for a reason

>>96328605
Because you're a faggot who suggests shit he doesn't fucking do. When you don't know shit about something, you shut your fucking mouth.

But sure, I'm willing to believe you're just a clueless retard, whatever suits you best

>>96328624
Ok, faggot. Enjoy your never completed army, you feckless fucking clown.

>>96328623
He just wants to complain like the useless faggot he is, anon.

>>96328623
What the fuck do you mean "at the hips"
Have you looked at the fucking bits? You got hips part of the torso, some only got one buttocks, they're retardedly cut as is without even comparing the ways the two kits are done.

And that's not even accounting for the belt buckle.

Fucking do it, show me it can be done instead of just repeating
>just do it brah
>use your knife brah
>it's just a 3 sec in and out brah

I am going to mangle someone

>>96328645
>say dumb shit
>be told to fuck off
>waaaa anon is just mad waaaa
I'm mad because a kit is shit, you're mad because your ego got hurt, get the fuck out

>>96328637
Thanks for nothing, faggot

>>96328662
>I’m mad because a kit is shit
You’re mad because you’re too fucking stupid to repose models lmao

What's the nastiest unit you can plop down with Interdiction Cadres? Maybe a unit with the DG poisoned flamers?

>>96328667
See, told you you were just a baiting faggot, wasn't so hard now was it?

>>96328669
>Maybe a unit with the DG poisoned flamers
Maybe from a combi flamer; it's only Tacticals or Despoilers, man.
I understand units coming from reserves count as having moved, but they aren't specified how far. This means DG Tacticals could get their third shot, right? Not like snap fire will do much...

>>96328686
>be creatine and utilize spatial reasoning FOR MEEEEEE
No one is going to make you a step by step tutorial, you absolute mongoloid. Either figure it the fuck out or go build legos, probably more your speed anyhow.

>>96328694
>it's only Tacticals or Despoilers
Oh, I missed that bit. I was already thinking of dropping 10 templates out of reserves

>>96328698
You keep talking about shit you don't know about, let alone use, this is as empty as it is repetitive

In plain english: yawn

>>96328694
>I understand units coming from reserves count as having moved, but they aren't specified how far. This means DG Tacticals could get their third shot, right? Not like snap fire will do much...
No, DG only count as not having moved if they move less than 4" during the movement phase. Anything that says "They count as having moved." still works. Disembarking, being set up, etc.

>>96328439
Are you even sentient?

>>96328714
Ok bud. Carry on being dumb and useless!

>>96328719
I post here, it's not a good sign

>>96328700
Yeah, I had the same thought when I wanted to drop a surprise flamer squad.

>>96328726
I wouldn't want you to think you got competition

>>96328395

Stock praevian is a 95pt model with a bolt pistol and that's it, so he's paying a lot for those stats.
Standard tech-priest is 30pts, so once you add the cortex controller, the cyber-familiar, a real gun (10pt melta or grav), Overcharge Reactors and either the Cybernetica keyword (robot entourage can score and deny, and have the equivalent of Line 1) or the Archimandrite keyword (LD9, CL9, same aggregate stats as the Praevian but also has Cybertheurgy) the tech-priest is still 20pts cheaper and can happily pick up a real melee weapon.

You really need to leverage any legion-exclusive benefits or need the extra aux detachment for the Praevian to be worth it over a troop Tech-Priest, the slightly better durability isn't worth a ton here when cybertheurgy lets the priest increase the combat efficiency of his robots by about a third with boosted weapon skill. The actual thing the Praevian lets you skip here is a Mechanicum command choice to unlock a detachment to put the robots in.

What's the best legion-specific detachment?

>>96328800
Probably headhunter leviathal.

>>96328800
I think Hammer of Olympia is pretty good.
2x Heavy Assault, 2x Troop, 1x Heavy Transport, with 1 HA and 1 Troop each being Prime.

>>96328800
>40p for an Optae gets you 2 troops, a support and fast attack slots,
>+1 other entry from the prime benefit
>+1 whole other detachment from the new HQ
>you can just keep chaining them indefinitely

>>96328800
Supremacy cadre isn't bad, 1 heavy assault, 1 elite, two prime troops

>>96328841
That does sound pretty good
>>96328823
Okay but would it be as good if Seekers weren't busted?
>>96328857
Seems pointless unless you're trying to go for 10 tactical squads or a similar cheese list. You could simply take a Tactical Support detachment and avoid the Optae tax, though you trade the FA slot for another support slot

>>96328823
Do notice that detachment can never use Logistical to bring Lerneans or Veterans, because any Elite slot has to be Seekers or Headhunters

>>96328800
It's a surprise to nobody, but if you want to run jetbikes and outriders then the WS aux is brilliant. You can get a prime slot on every jetbike unit in your army if you really want.

>>96328882
>That does sound pretty good
I'm expecting a lot of IW lists to run a Delegatus to get a second one, to be real.

>>96328882
Right so "best detachment" depends on how you're defining best.

If we define "best" as the detachment with the best units then its Leviathal because Seekers are busted and there is no more efficient way to spam them.

If we define "best" as having the most listbuilding utility then Primus Demi Company is unmatched since you can either use it to add infinite troops, FA and or fast attack slots to an army or use it as an extender to effectively add 2 troops, 1 support and 1 FA to ANY other detachment.

>>96328882
>though you trade the FA slot for another support slot
And the other free slot that you get from logistical benefit.
And the whole other detachment you get from having another HQ
And the fact that having command models in your army actively makes all your other UM characters better in challenges

>>96328939
Traitor DA can also abuse the absolute shit out of stormwing to spam true believer tacticals so they can never get any status.

I cannot wait until we get an alternative trait for the Fallen honestly. I cannot imagine a worse trait than what the DA have currently so whatever happens it should be fun to see this thread react.

>>96328800
Headhunter leviathan is very good, as is the salamanders one. I also really like the firewing and dreadwing detachments.

>>96328939
>there is no more efficient way to spam them.
Firewing?

>>96328694
Doesn't matter what legion you are, because if you shoot as part of a reaction you count as not moving. So everybody gets their third shot.

>>96329000
It's the same thing as leviathan with one less prime, so worse.

>>96328800
Prosperine Convocation is great. It's everything I want. Meanwhile Decapitation Strike is straight garbage.

>>96325533
They're just trying to make you question yourself, trannies prey on confused people to fuel their own sexual deviancy.
remember that 90% or troons just have an extreme fetish, while the other 10% just need proper therapy to help them cope with their mental struggles.

>>96326540
Let's just clarify for people that the Tortuga MKIII in the pic is the old one. The details on the modern multipart kits are much crisper.

>>96328939
>Seekers are busted
Breaching 4+ or Panic 2 :O!
Aww but I had to ditch them to make room for Effrit with snipers or Meltabombs :(

>>96329028
Aww guess my guys aren't so special lol. Wait, aren't there some reactions where the unit first moves, then does some shooting?

>>96328777
the Tech-priest will never have WS5 tho :)

the Praevian is a fluffy choice that, like a lot of fluff units, isn't always good for what you want it to be good at (in this case we are early in an edition where he can't have a thunder hammer whereas anybody who had one last edition probably gave him a thunder hammer and is malding about it)

as far as Tech-priests go, they need the cyber-familiar or they'll only pass Battlesmith rolls and Cybertheurgy checks on ~3/4 of tries, and for Cybertheurgy in particular will (with the difficulty penalty to Int) fail a lot more than they pass (about 40:60 pass:fail) on the lesser stuff like Overcharged Reactors and even more than that on more difficult Rites, so that efficiency comes from a guy who takes up a command slot, isn't as durable to shooting as a Praevian and isn't particularly reliable at granting efficiency - Archimandrite doesn't affect the relevant stat here either

the Praevian is also significantly more durable at the baseline despite the T difference, and again, you know, NL Praevian can make you fight his robot buddy while he does something else

would it be nice if the Praevian had the same benefit from hiding in a unit that Perturabo gets from hiding in Iron Circle? sure, but it would make Mr Bitter than little bit less special

>>96328425
nobody ever used an Armistos in their entire life, stop whining

>>96329127
>takes up a command slot
whoops, my bad

still tho

fuck Tech-priests

>>96329130
fresh bread
>>96329130
needs more model posting
>>96329130
share weekend projects

>>96329079
To be honest, I thought being a tranny is the fetish. I guess some people are just brainrotten like that. Too bad, unlike Night Lords, human flesh isn't something you can just wear one day and ditch the next. They will be trapped in a cage of their own making

Imperial fist 1k list for an introductory game for my buddy, please let me know if I should change anything, themed around combat engineers:

HQ:
ForgeLord, Paragon of battle.
Troops:
2*10 tactical
1*10 breachers with lascutters in a rhino modeled as an ARV
Logistical benefit:
Contemptor dread with conversion beamer and chainfist.

Aux Det: armoured support
2* vindicators

>>96329111
Oh shit, they've got some good stuff

>>96328122
There are always enough cucks to sustain any system GW excretes anon, you know this. They will seethe at people pointing out the flaws, they will cope that the flaws aren't that big a deal, they will force themselves to play it over and over again(or at least pretend to for social media) because the alternative horrifies and terrifies them; the thought of not being beholden to a corporate daddy to tell them what to do, the notion they might have to organise their own hobby, that they might have to be creative, and in doing so find those deepseated fears that they're just mere followers, that they're social rejects, and that all the hugbox praise they get for their shitty paintjobs was insincere were valid all along.

They'll bend over and gape themselves for anything GW wants to shove up them because the alternative is confronting their own miserable, pitable, limited existence.

>>96323245
Which ones

Anyone have a good recipe for a nice "purple blue" for night lords?

Anyone ever decorate Horus Heresy model bases with Legions Imperialis models? Considering it with my Saturnine Dreadnought to make him look massive.