Thread 96345233

allies are also back (again) edition

>Bans
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>News
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https://tappedout.net/

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>Search engines
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https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM
>Play online for free
https://untap.in/
https://dr4ft.info/

>What is EDH?
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>WotC's War Crimes
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>Previously
>>96332273

>TQ
favorite creature type?

>>96345233 (OP)
>favorite creature type?
Who cares. The game sucks.

>product by a MASSIVE company
>((((Freedom fighters))))
Oh I hate this. Freedom from what?

>>96345248
freedom from the fire nation but they're actually bandits/terrorists and the flavor text you only got 3 words into before you stopped reading implies as much.

>>96345239
oh you held up instant speed removal every turn? sorry, shardmage's blessing cucks you lmao
oops snakeskin veil
oops royal resolve
oops defend the rider

>>96345256
Fire nation did nothing wrong

>>96345268
the basic premise of the show is that the fire nation genocided an entire peaceful group of people figuring one of them had to be the avatar.

>>96345295
Sounds dumb.

>>96345295
Obviously not ALL of them were peaceful and had immense potential to cause harm. Would it be moral to bomb baby Hitlers orphanage from space? Yes!

People talk a lot about Vivi but this card is also a very real problem. When designers will fucking fix the formats?

>>96345313
I kicked and screamed about this thing too, anon. When Vivi's out it will float to another retarded izzet deck, keep causing problems, and make yet another card its scapegoat. One mana buys you anything these days.

Just increase player health to 24

>>96345363
>Benefit aggro decks
please fuck no

Changes needed to make Standard healthy again
> 40 starting health total to reduce aggro prevelance
> Max 1 copy of each card, 100 card deck to force players to be more creative
This will also keep the format more compatible with cards like Nadu and Vivi.

>>96345313
>When designers will fucking fix the formats?
Even if you ban problem cards like Vivi, the overall power creep means some other equally fast, unfair bullshit will take its place. There's no fixing the post FIRE era.

>>96345313
What if we took one effect that was already on rate for a 1 mana card
and stapled some MORE extra value onto it so its already above curve just by playing it
and then let you dump mana into it for an extra effect
and then its also a recur target for bounce effects that create card advantage and/or loops

heh, imagine
>gee maro, don't you think if a 1/1 prowess for 1 is already playable, letting it keep two permanents on board for fodder, or recur it, or dump mana into it for card advantage or more for a win condition, makes it a bit OP
>naw its totes fine

>>96345427
I dunno... 100 cards makes set up kinda hard.
Maybe have each player with one guaranteed card on the table, so that they always have access to the cornerstone of their gameplan at least?
Maybe limit it to creatures... And legendary, so it can't be just any busted thing.

>>96345448
>and then its also a recur target for bounce effects that create card advantage and/or loops
This was the dumbest fucking shit man.
How, how the FUCK. HOW THE FUCK. HOW. THE FUCK. as a game designer.
How the FUCK do you, as a game designer, watch a Standard tournament, and in that Standard tournament half of the fucking games that "Pixies" wins, it won without EVER connecting a single pixie for damage.

Half the fucking time the deck won, it was ENTIRELY from Hopeless Nightmare draining 20 fucking life in the game. No interaction. Zero play on board. Just looping fucking shocks to the face while bouncing shit.

HOW. THE FUCK. do you see that happening and not immediately walk off into the fucking sunset and disappear form society for decades, until some random hiker finds your skeleton covered in moss in some ditch in the wilderness.

How the fuck do these people just exist in the most shameful state of absolute, abject failure achievable by mortal beings, and somehow persist. It is fucking INSANE.

>>96345490


Nightseize {B}
Enchantment (U)
When this enchantment enters, target opponent reveals their hand. You choose a nonland card from it. That player discards that card and loses 2 life
When Nightseize is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, surveil 2.
2B: Sacrifice Nightseize.

>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71876&f=PREM
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Embrace tradition.
Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...

>>96345506
It's even worse that these people have the FUCKING GALL, the FUCKING CHUTZPAH
To look at these fucking mirror matches,
Mirror matches where both players are bouncing their fucking Nightmares in order to solitaire count to 2 without ANY, A N Y on-board interactions,
And these fucking narcissistic FUCKS have the FUCKING GALL to call this slop fucking SHIT a "Skill testing mirror match"

I can save your formats. Just bring me back.

>>96345548
only if every single creature card that costs 4 or more gets ward (2) stapled on it

>>96345548
I've told you before old man, it will take more than that

>>96345548
It would make the card investors angry.
You can make the players angry, you can even kill the entire game.
But you just can't upset the investors. Please understand, they have money on the line. Think of the monies.

>>96345584
When a simple card game became some kind of stonks trade market? When this stop being a healthy fun activity for a pure unadulterated greed hook?

Endless Frontier
Land - Mountain Plains (R)
When this land enters, you gain 3 life
Whenever a creature enters under your control, sacrifice this land.

Sunless Hollow
Land - Swamp Forest (R)
When this land enters, you gain 3 life
Whenever a creature enters under your control, sacrifice this land.

Bottomless Hole
Land - Mountain Swamp (R)
When this land enters, you gain 3 life
Whenever a creature enters under your control, sacrifice this land.

Starless Sky
Land - Swamp Plains (R)
When this land enters, you gain 3 life
Whenever a creature enters under your control, sacrifice this land.

Useless Island
Land - Island Plains (R)
When this land enters, you gain 3 life
Whenever a creature enters under your control, sacrifice this land.

there, fixed aggro problem

>>96345621
no you didn't.

>>96345621
Make it "Whenever creature under your control leaves" and it might work

>>96345621
Anon, aggro has like 20-30 overkill damage in its current state.
A land would unironically have to gain like 8 life on ETB to "fix aggro"

>>96345621
*gifts you a fish*
nothing personell, kid.

>>96345660
Damn, thanks bro.

>>96345621
>sir, another price spike has hit the orchard
Naw make it 'whenever you cast a creature spell'

This game has gone down the drain. People have been waiting for WotC to fix the power creep since Tarmogoyf's 2 mana "misprint". We're reaching Qanon levels of delusion. Maro is going to fix the game for sure, any day now.

>>96345666
EDH is doing better than ever.

Any word on what gimmicks they are creating for avatar?

>>96345685
What do you mean by gimmicks.

>>96345675
The whole point of EDH is that it was niche and casual. It was about building kitchen-tier decks with the cards you already had at home. The lengendary creatures were all iconic characters from old MtG lore, like the original elder dragons, Akroma, Lovisa, Jhoira, Takeno or Isamaru. Now WotC prints almost 400 legendary creatures every year. Most of them are comically powerful and Commander is hyper competitive as any other official format. You can't go to your local store with a homemade EDH deck and play with other people because power creep and must-have cards have warped the whole playstyle.

>>96345867
Was, not anymore. Go to Rebbit and find some "New player here help" posts, it will be about EDH. EDH is the default way to play Magic now (yes it's not real Magic yadda yadda it doesn't matter). When someone says, "I play Magic", the odds are they are playing EDH.
EDH informs every facet of Magic design, from individual cards to larger marketing moves (UB is because EDH).
Magic is dead. Long live EDH.

>>96345879
EDH is dead. You're taking about Commander™.

Apparently going forward UB and UW sets will be alternating, so we won't get scenarios of Spider-Man into Avatar again. Probably.
https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/792090442349101056/hi-mark-i-wanted-to-weigh-in-on-all-this

Spider-Man? No, it's Universes Within.

>>96345619
Capitalism.
The moment there is value etc... etc...

Water. Earth. Fire. Air.

The world of Avatar is all about the four classical elements. Some of its population are able to "bend" an element, magically controlling it. The world is divided into four nations: the Water Tribes (based on Inuit people), the Earth Kingdom (based on China), the Fire Nation (based on Japan), and the Air Nomads (based on Tibetan monks). In addition, there is a "spirit world", a realm layered on top of the real world, where all manner of weird and spiritual shit resides. There's weird shit in the normal world, too: most animals are a mixture of real world animals.

In order to maintain the balance between the four nations, there is the Avatar cycle: one person born to a nation that is able to not bend just that nation's element, but all four. When an Avatar dies, that power is reincarnated into someone born in the next nation in the cycle. The Avatar can learn to commune with the spirits of their previous incarnations for advice and knowledge. They can also, under extreme duress or training, access the Avatar State, borrowing the power of the past incarnations.

>>96346131
Avatar's story starts with Avatar Roku, the Fire Nation-born Avatar before the main character. Once friends with Fire Lord Sozin, the two drift apart when Sozin starts getting ideas about taking over the world. As in, Roku goes "bitch you better fucking not, I'm the Avatar". In their old age, Sozin comes to Roku's aid as Roku fights an erupting volcano, but then abandons the exhausted Avatar to die. Sozin then bides his time for twelve years, waiting for a firebending-boosting comet. With the comet's arrival, Sozin genocides the Air Nomads, knowing the next Avatar-to-be will have already been born there. He also begins attacking the other two nations.

Except... Sozin missed an airbender. Before the genocide, the elders of the Air Nomads were wary of the Fire Nation's aggressive posturing and told Aang, only 12 years old, that he was the Avatar and he's going to need to save a whole goddamn world. Panicking over the sudden massive changes to his life, Aang runs away with his flying bison Appa, gets caught in a storm over the ocean, and instinctively suspends the two of them in ice when they're about to die. He thus misses the extinction of his people and the next 100 years of war brought on by the Fire Nation.

>>96346135
Aang and Appa are found at the south pole by two siblings from the Southern Water Tribe: Katara and Sokka. Katara is the last living waterbender from the Southern Water Tribe, as the Fire Nation has been systematically raiding the ever-shrinking village and killing any benders there. Sokka is a non-bender, but is good warrior and strategist.

Aang's awakening sends out a beam of light into the sky that is seen by Fire Prince Zuko and his uncle, Iroh. Zuko was burned on his face by his father, Fire Lord Ozai, and banished from the Fire Nation until he could capture the Avatar - an impossible task at the time, as everyone though the Avatar was long dead and the cycle broken. All of this was punishment for Zuko speaking out of turn during a war meeting, at the goddamn age of 13. Iroh's been watching over Zuko in his exile for two years now. Iroh was in line to take the throne over Ozai, but the death of his son during an attack on the Earth Kingdom left him despondent and ineligible to rule. It also made him into a better person, and he's trying to teach Zuko how to be good. Zuko, meanwhile, is a frustrated, obsessed teenager trying to restore his "honor".

>>96346144
Team Avatar's goal throughout the first season is to reach the Northern Water Tribe at the north pole, to find a waterbending master to teach both Aang and Katara. Aang quickly discovers that in his absence, the Fire Nation has basically been able to take over the world. Only the great walled cities of the Northern Water Tribe and the Earth Kingdom's Ba Sing Se are truly safe from attack, any other settlements are either occupied by the Fire Nation or under constant threat of takeover. They make a bunch of new allies and pick up a new pet: Momo. They're constantly chased by Zuko, and another rival firebender named Zhao. To put it shortly, Zhao is a massive dickbag, but he's an Admiral in the Fire Nation army and has a lot more resources and good standing at his disposal than Zuko. Not to put more pressure on Aang or anything, but he also learns that Sozin's Comet is returning soon, so he needs to kill the current Fire Lord before then.

Everyone reaches the Northern Water Tribe at about the same time. Aang and Katara find a waterbending master, while Sokka falls in love with the Water Princess Yue. Zhao attacks with a fleet of ships, and Zuko sneaks in to capture the Avatar. It's revealed that there's a reason for Zhao's sudden boldness at attacking the Northern Water Tribe: he's discovered a secret weakness. The Moon and Ocean Spirits have taken physical form and reside there, as a pair of fish. If he kills the Moon Fish, he KILLS THE MOON, which will rob all waterbenders of their powers, as the moon was the original waterbender (you know, pulling tides). All Zhao has to do is reach the fish, then his army can take the rest of the settlement.

>>96346150

Iroh is 200% MAD that Zhao would resort to such a world-affecting move just for personal victory. Zhao goes through with it anyways, and his army starts advancing. Aang counters by merging with the Ocean Fish, becoming a massive water monster that pushes the Fire Army back and drowns Zhao. Yue, who had been saved by the Moon Fish as a baby, sacrifices her life to restore the Moon Fish to life. She becomes a new moon spirit, and everyone gets their waterbending back. After all the chaos, Katara's mastered enough waterbending to become Aang's teacher as they continue on their travels. Zuko abandons his quest to capture the Avatar, after seeing what such obsession did to Zhao (and getting his ass kicked).

While season one had the main characters travelling to bits of all four nations, season two focuses on the massive Earth Kingdom. With Katara teaching him waterbending, Aang needs to find someone to teach him earthbending. They find that teacher in Toph, a blind girl that uses earthbending "sonar" as her sight. She's from a rich family that coddled her for her blindness, while she was secretly sneaking out to participate in earthbending wrestling. Even after learning how capable and not helpless she was, they insisted on holding her back, so she runs away to join Team Avatar. Her family responds by hiring two mercenaries to find her.

>>96346158

Meanwhile, Zuko and Iroh have been labelled as traitors by the Fire Nation for their "failure" at the north pole. They've been travelling through the Earth Kingdom under false identities, and Zuko is not adjusting well to not having a goal in life. The new Fire Nation antagonists hunting the Avatar are Azula, Ty Lee, and Mai. Azula is Zuko's younger sister, a sociopath that threw rocks at animals as a child and smiled when Zuko had his face burned. She's a perfectionist and manipulator, and can lightningbend, a more powerful form of firebending. Ty Lee is a acrobatic nonbender that jabs people's pressure points to temporarily cause paralysis and block the ability to bend. Mai is another nonbender that's really good at throwing blades around.

Team Avatar happen upon a massive library in the middle of the desert, where they learn that a solar eclipse will occur before Sozin's Comet comes back. Firebenders lose the ability to bend when the sun is blocked, so it will be the perfect time to attack the Fire Lord. Unfortunately, Appa is captured by sandbenders (an earthbender variant) and sold to traders while they're doing this, leaving Team Avatar without their easy flying transportation. Wanting to use the eclipse information to recruit help from the Earth King, and figuring that Appa will probably end up at a place of huge commerce, the team decided to go to the Earth Kingdom capital: the walled city of Ba Sing Se.

>>96346163
Well, shit, turns out Ba Sing Se is secretly under the control of the city's security forces, the Dai Li, and the Earth King has no fucking idea that there's even been a war going on for a century. Team Avatar manage to expose the Dai Li and convince the Earth King to pitch into the war effort. They also reunite with Appa, which the Dai Li had captured and hidden to maintain their story. The Team briefly split up to tend to their individual matters, during which Toph is captured by her parents' mercenaries. She goes "fuck that, I'm inventing a new form of earthbending, see ya losers" and learns how to metalbend. Meanwhile, Zuko and Iroh also arrive in Ba Sing Se to start a new life, and Zuko is FINALLY learning to actually be happy with himself.

Azula has other plans. Pretending to be Earth warriors, her trio infiltrate the city and release the Dai Li from prison, who then pledge their allegiance to her. With their help, she stages a coup and lures both Zuko and the Avatar to her. To the utter devastation of Iroh, Azula manages to convince Zuko to switch sides back to evil and help her fight Aang. Aang goes into the Avatar State during the battle, when Azula immediately shoots lighting through him, killing him. The good guys get the fuck out of there, and Katara is able to revive Aang with the magic water she's been carrying around from the north pole fish pond. Iroh is imprisoned, and the Earth Kingdom is finally conquered.

>>96346167
Season three starts with Aang finally waking up from a weeks-long coma. The lightning strike has blocked his chakras, and he can't enter the Avatar State. The Team fill him in what he's missed: they captured a Fire Nation boat and are hiding within the Fire Nation itself. With the Earth Kingdom lost, they've lost the massive army they wanted from the Earth King. The whole world thinks the Avatar is dead. Instead of the huge attack on the day of the eclipse, they'll have go in with with small group of whoever is left to help them. Meanwhile, Zuko has been welcomed back into the Fire Nation with welcome arms, as Azula told everyone that HE killed the Avatar, not herself. Zuko and Mai start a relationship, and Zuko begins to enjoy the royal sweet life and positive attention from his father. However, he slowly starts to realize that he's made a terrible mistake. Oh, and Katara is forced to learn a terrible variation of waterbending, bloodbending.

There's also a beach episode. You've probably seen screenshots of it.

The day of the eclipse comes, and the attack on the Fire Lord goes forward. However... he's not there. Back when Azula was pretending to be an Earth warrior in season 2, she learned of the attack plans and warned her father. Zuko DOES know where the Fire Lord is, and uses the brief window of him not being to firebend to force him to listen to him. Zuko calls the Fire Lord out on all the evil bullshit he's being doing, including, you know, burning his own son's face over a minor infraction, and tells him that he's joining the Avatar. The Fire asks why Zuko doesn't just kill him now, Zuko says it's the Avatar's job to kill him. The world will see it as a justified response, and not just a prince killing a king for power. With the eclipse ending, the strike force surrenders to the Fire Nation as a distraction, so Team Avatar can escape.

>>96346173
With the eclipse plan an utter failure, the Team reverts to their original plan: kill the Fire Lord before Sozin's Comet returns. To do that, Aang needs a firebending teacher. Oh hey, here's Zuko, now fully a good guy and wanting to help. It takes a while and a few redemption adventures, but they finally accept Zuko into the group. During of these adventures, Mai betrays Azula to save Zuko, and Ty Lee betrays Azula to save Mai from Azula's wrath. Azula's not happy.

Aang is learning firebending, but he's having trouble with the idea of actually needing to kill someone. He communes with past Avatars, who all tell him "dude, you gotta kill that guy". He then talks to ancient spirit, who gives him some secret knowledge. With the comet arriving soon, Fire Lord Ozai preemptively declares himself Phoenix King, ruler of the world, and tosses the Fire Lord title to Azula. Being basically abandoned by her father as an afterthought and having lost the loyalty of Ty Lee and Mai, Azula fucking snaps and starts banishing people left and right, eventually ending up completely alone and hallucinating her missing mother.

>>96346180
The comet arrives, and the Fire Lord uses its firebending boost to razing the Earth Kingdom to the ground from an a fleet of airships. While Aang confronts the Fire Lord 1-on-1, the team splits up to stop the ships and fight Azula. Azula has FULLY lost it by this point, and is in an incoherent rage what she's defeated. Iroh, having broken himself out of prison and also being powered up by the comet, unites all the elder masters from the series and frees Ba Sing Se from Fire Nation control.

Aang is not doing well. He can't enter the Avatar State and the Ozai is way too powerful. By chance, Aang gets thrown into an outjutting rock and jabs him right in his lightning injury, which unlocks his blocked chakra and allows him access to the Avatar State again. Ozai is immediately put onto the backfoot as Aang chases him down, finally restraining his limbs into rock with earthbending. Aang's about to deliver the killing blow when he exits out of the Avatar State, still unwilling to kill someone. Ozai takes this opportunity to release himself and strike, only for Aang to use the secret that the ancient spirit taught him: spiritbending. With some struggle, Aang is able to strip away Ozai's ability to bend, for good. With the Fire Lord(s) defeated, Zuko becomes the new Fire Lord, and immediately orders the Fire Nation armies to stand down. The Hundred Year War is over.

has there been a single card revealed with the Learn ability yet

>>96346184
God the finale was such a mess. If it didn't pay out so fucking hard on the action, it would've been a faceplant right at the finish line.

>>96346208
There won't be. They only have lessons and some signpost lessons-matter cards, but no learn. We're going back to Strixhaven in not too long, so we'll probably be getting learn cards then.

>>96346184
All of this just reminded me of how crap that ending was. Lion turtle was bullshit, chakra unlocking rock was bullshit, the entire army quitting because Ozai lost bending was bullshit. They clearly wrote themselves into a corner and had to use multiple asspulls to get out.

>>96346167
>a creature you control or a land you control
.... a creature or land you control?
Uh, Wizards?

>>96346243
It's to cover Earthbending animated lands

>>96346228
They did it completely to themselves since the whole "YOU HAVE TO KILL THE FIRE LORD!!!" conflict was completely forced. Like, what the fuck was the plan during the eclipse then?
And the Phoenix King bullshit and Ozai's evil plan was silly too.
>We're going to burn down the entire Earth Kingdom!
>By using a handful of air ships burning a maybe mile wide strip of land while moving at a crawl
>And this is supposed to burn the largest continent on the planet during the hours long window of the comet passing
Should've just been burning Ba Sing Se to the ground for symbolic purposes. That would've tied in with the White Lotus retaking the city too.

>>96346243
Probably to clarify it doesn't mean "when [a creature] or [land your control]"

>>96346271
>Like, what the fuck was the plan during the eclipse then?
The same, to kill him. Its failure just gave Aang more time to worry about the concept.

>>96345548
>For too long, White as a color, has had too many TALL ASKs

>old magic
>characters died left and right
>nobody was safe
>if writers needed a clean slate they created a new plane or dropped a magical nuke killing everyone

>nu magic
>nothing every happens
>nothing matters
so when did chuds start working at wotc?

>>96346327
>so when did chuds start working at wotc?
About two weeks ago.

>>96346243
It's ANOTHER creature you control, or a land you control. They probably didn't want to confuse players with "another land you control", since the card isn't a land itself.

>>96346327
tamiyo died not that long ago

>>96346211
>>96346228
The lion turtle was fine, it had been making apperances since early season 1. Blocking Ozai's powers was fine, it's just a more powerful version of what season 3 Aang, and anybody Ty Lee hit, experienced. Of course the army would lusten to their new Fire Lord, especially since the old Fire Lord just got his ass kicked by the fucking Avatar.
The only silly thing was the rock.

>>96346351
>Pointless character has a pointless death
It's like poetry

>>96346343
>It's ANOTHER creature you control, or a land you control. They probably didn't want to confuse players with "another land you control", since the card isn't a land itself.
So if you make it a land, it includes itself?
Cool.

Make Lessons
Add 0 Learn cards
How this designers can live with themselves? They are ginormous retards

>>96346374
It's fine.

>>96346366
>it had been making apperances since early season 1
It literally only showed up in a painting at the library and they didn't even talk about it beyond literally saying "Hey look at this cool picture"

They have to sent this motherfucker to the gulag as soon as possible. I can’t stand seeing him in any format

>>96346393
Incorrect, pay better attention.

>>96346131
No chosen one narration can be good.
Leave magic alone. No one cares.

>>96346436
Magic's entire storyline relies on chosen ones.
Also, it's abundantly clear that a lot of people DO care.

>>96346410
You can't gaslight me, I've actually watched the show.

>>96346458
Not very well, apparently.

>>96345548
put me in coach. im ready to fix this format.

not Magic the Gathering

>>96346351
Something I hated was that there were like 3 or 4 sets that were about saying goodbye to Tamiyo, even Duskmourn was about hearing her fart at the other end of the telephone.

>>96346473
Work on your bait

>>96346374
The max troll play here is adding learn cards in Strixhaven but no Lessons so you get to loot in draft.

>>96346455
Vocal majority or shills that will disappear when this shit gets released. FF was like that; Spiderman wasn't because no-one cares.
If you miss your childhood cartoons, that's good for you. But don't try to convince anyone that cartoons can be good.

>>96346541
Vocal *minority
obviously

>>96346403
https://mtgrocks.com/wizards-confirms-no-vivi-cauldron-emergency-bans/

Oy vey goyim, you must buy ze best selling Final Shekeldry packs to win Standard games

I'm so glad we could go from izzet, to izzet, to izzet, to izzet being the top of standard

I dislike how 1v1 60 formats no longer feel like the "developer intended way" to play this game. Standard format feels like a dumping ground, rather than a curated environment. Deckbuilding/brewing in Standard feels like looking for meaning in chaos. Why should I invest myself in a format when the developer doesn't even care for it? (And if the developers did care, they would instantly ruin it like the Horizons sets did to Modern). Magic sucks.

>>96346622
So what you're saying is
>We're monitoring the situation
>All macro archetypes are seeing play
>The meta looks healthy and diverse
>Our data suggests it doesn't have an excessively high win rate
>We can't make any changes now because it would disrupt an upcoming event
>We're waiting to see how the next release effects the meta
>The format has all the tools necessary to deal with it
>There's plenty of room for rogue decks to succeed

>>96346622
I really have a lot of trouble believing they're going to endure until november, at least I expect they'll bend and revert some of the 7 bans or something.

>>96346622
>>96346672
Because fuck you, that's why!

>>96345306
>Would it be moral to bomb baby Hitlers orphanage from space? Yes!
no

Don't worry, 2 more weeks and WotC will fix the meta.

If I had bought a vivi I'd be pretty miffed if they banned it. Perhaps to the point of not spending anything on the next release or two.

>>96346622
We can't upset the FF be newbloods, it's too early for that

>>96346374
They added other lesson synergy, which is completely fine. Nothing inherently ties lessons to learn, only the other way around.

Learn cards do nothing in Commander so its not allowed in UB sets

>>96346920
lmao facts

>>96346920
>The official Commander rules don't include sideboards, but if you're using them anyway or casually allowing players to get cards from their collections, cards you bring into the game from outside the game can't share a name with any card in your starting deck.

>>96346706
If they neglected so hard in the last B&R announcement formats like Legacy I really see them waiting for November to do something with the slop of standard

damn I missed the atlanta box, was it worth it? Can I get that mystery booster box somewhere else?

>>96346713
I'm an idiot and bought 3 sephiroths to complete a set. I don't think they'll ever be banned, but I'll always be an idiot.

>>96346706
Spider-Man will save Standard. You guys remembered that Spider-Man is coming out, right?

>>96346184
>>96346180
>>96346173
>>96346167
>>96346163
>>96346158
>>96346150
>>96346144
>>96346135
>>96346131
this is what mental illness looks like, folks.
don’t end up like this subhuman.

>>96347178
Why are you like this?

>>96347199
hes not mentally ill like you?

>>96347178
Is it any different from the guy who summarizes the story articles?

good evening i am going to mainboard 1 notion thief at memedern fnm tonight thank you for your consideration in this matter

>>96347234
Go ahead, give me your zoomer definition of mental illness.

>>96347245
UB. It's old, you can read about it in the appropiate places.
Mtg. It's new. you can only read the original story.
Mtg lore is bad, so he is creating something for the community, to at least get some info.
I don't think that FF shills stood so low as to dump the lore of the games.

>>96347249
Okay but why?

>>96347278
To be fair, FIN was covering too much material to cover in a single thread, but there were a fair few people explaining individual characters or concepts at length as it came up. AtLA is a smaller property, so summarizing the whole story isn't as much of an endeavor.

>>96347249
okay, I cast a "look at x and put in hand" spell

>>96347376
God I wish women were real

>>96347249
I thought fnm was on friday

>>96345432
This. After FIRE when something clearly needs to be banned, people say "oh if we just ban X unfair poorly designed card the format will be saved" not realizing that lower on the power scale is A, B, C, D, E strategies and cards that are all equally poorly designed, they just happen to be weaker.
The way cards are designed now reminds me of the two-ships-passing-in-the-night phrase about Modern that was used, because the pro-active windmill slam Timmy creature and turn him sideways is infinitely stronger than hoping I drew the right removal spell or interaction piece (that still makes my opponent + because each card they resolve shits value now).
So now banlists, especially for standard just become FIRE whack-a-mole. Ban 30 cards if you want from the format, but I guarantee the 31st best card is equally cancerous and single-player. That's how the game is now designed.

Air end and Firebend will break several stuff

>>96347267
see what this anon pointed at ->>>96347178

>>96347451
firebending will be so fucking ridiculous

>>96347314
Is it over then? Good, I don't need to hear anymore of it. I don't care who your favorite character is or how well or badly their cards match to your idea of a character. I don't care about legends at all UB or not.
I'll go further and say that legends are the root of evil that's destroying the game. Their pushed designs for commander are breaking the game day in and day out.
For legends they have decided to change templating to this card, instead of the traditional ~-
Completely unknown legends now will get a couple of cards, because these lore limited UB sets need to have several versions of a character, to fill them.
And don't get me started with personal pronouns. Cards are cards, you use 'it'. What's next? you can get DQ for misgendering a card?

Why has WotC gone from printing safeguards on even the most dogshit mechanics to not letting Standard removing snowballing 1-drops?

>>96346622
Just why? Why make the format complete mega dogshit for 3 months? People will play EVEN less standard now and most will probably just quit playing it now.
Who the fuck cares if there is a RQ season? 99% percent of standard players will not interact with it at all and I would garner that most of the people playing in it would rather play a good format than the current 1 deck format

>>96347466
A story summary of the 3rd party property being incorporated into MTG is mental illness?

>>96347451
>Mechanic that cheat stuff after blink
>Mechanic that gives FREE MANA, on attack
Are you sure anon? Are you these designers can make shitty mechanics that ruin the whole game?

>>96347451
>firebend
>lasts until end of combat
>on theme
>no captive flame reprint
I'm still mad

>>96347540
they printed an enchantment way better than captive flame

>>96346569
lol, the freudian slip

>>96347534
It's called Obsesive Corporate IP Cum-guzzling, it's in the DSM.

>>96347534
I like it anon. It's more sovl than anything WotC would dare to write.

>>96347249
Enjoy dying to energy while it clogs your hand

>>96347534
yes

>>96346184
Read the whole thing and as someone who is likely never going to watch it that was pretty cool and much more interesting than I thought. There's some stuff that looks weird like when Toph (who I thought was a dude) learns metalbending that sounded like a big deal and I expected you would come back to it later but I'm not sure if you didn't want to spend time on every little subplot or if that's more or less the end of it. Anyways thanks for the effortposting.

>>96347760
well thats like 60 hours of story summarized into 20 paragraphs. I haven't read it but im sure entirely important character arcs were completely skipped for the sake of brevity.

>>96347796
That's what I guessed as well but I felt a bit blueballed lol

>Director for Lorwyn Eclipsed is the director behind Dragonstorm
>Dragonstorm had a lot of females in that set actually look pretty and not ugly
Are we safe in the art department at the very least?

>>96347760
The metalbending stuff barely comes into play, she uses it for like two fights and few people seem to even care. It's not until the sequel series Korra where it becomes a bigger deal, the police force is trained in it.

>>96347859
I was more under the impression watching it that the Metal-bending thing was more-so a triumph of toph's character arc rather than a maguffin that was going to be plot relevant later

>Saffron Olive's last name is Waterman
Well I didn't know that.

>>96347876
Korra was made by and for the autists who fixated on the bending types because they could not understand the character arcs.

this game has gone from midrange valuegrind creatures to freecasting and manacheating in every format

>>96347845
Lorwyn shouldn't have many conventional beauties. Let's wait and see what they do to the elves, not only for the art, but also about their ideology.

>>96346366
>lion turtle
Showing some paintings and statues does not justify one appearing last minute and granting an easy out for your main character's main inner conflict. Even having him learn some new technique from Ty Lee would've been better.
>fire lord
Ozai already gave up the position to Azula at that point because he made some new title for himself. Then for some reason the position is able to be wagered in an agni kai, was that not a fucking option to take the position away from Ozai before? Has nobody ever thought to challenge a weak and elderly Fire Lord before to take their spot? Also Katara was allowed to interfere for some reason and the results are still valid, can people just gang up and jump you?
>chakra rock
At least you're not so far gone to try and justify this one. The writing was very hit or miss throughout the show, it was clear they were better at writing characterization than they were at writing plot.

>>96347876
Toph basically stayed the same through the whole show, she didn't have much of an arc outside of her first episode.

I play a sephiroth deck in arena (diamond atm) and I want to try playing in a local standard bracket. Am I going to get crushed? I beat Vivi/Cauldron decks pretty often, but really hate the artifact matchup.
I'm just not sure if the competition is typically harder, or easier than the arena pool of players.

>>96346920
Learn cards DO do something in Commander. Learn lets you discard a card to draw a card, if you choose not to bring something into the game.

>>96345233 (OP)
>favorite creature type?
Viashino.

>>96347969
Good news! I made a thread for you.
>>>/co/149936060

>>96347969
>Also Katara was allowed to interfere for some reason
Yeah, that reason was Azula breaking the rules of the Agni Kai to attack her.

>>96345233 (OP)
>TQ
samurai
shame theres almost no good ones

>>96348000
fucking based and checked. this needs to happen every time lorefags think they are welcome to shit up the thread

>>96348000
/co/ already had multiple threads discussing the cards. You look like a fool.

>>96348025
And if I had been there I would have told you to go fuck off to /tg/

>>96347977
You will get your ass on a plate against any Average/Good player playing Battlecrier or Vivi anon.

>>96348000
I am discussing the lore behind upcoming Magic: the Gathering (tm) cards, just as I have talked about the lore for previous cards.

>>96348054
Page 6 motherfucker. No-one cares about your cartoon lore.

>>96348000
Too late, we opened the door to UB vermins and now every single nerd of a franchise will come here to discuss about those suits they and only they care about:

Avatar
Final Fantasy
Spider-Man
And more to come (Maybe Star Trek? Or Steven Universe?)

>>96348066
Nickelodeon = paramount, so star trek is likely (also paramount).

>anon thinks we're going to stop discussing an upcoming set that has had new cards spoiled recently because he's having a little meltie
I feel like this card is going to be embercleave levels of annoying

>>96348066
It's not too late, I think they are seething because it's a legitimate way to tell them to fuck off.
>Spider-man
Nobody talked about the lore that I remember, well, during the whole five days when it was relevant and it's one of the biggest comicbook franchises in history.
Final Fantasy was annoying but it was stupid shit like where are my FF## characters? so pathetic that it's endearing.
At least the Amano art was good. But this set has no redeeming quality.

Its actually criminal that Rikku and Kimahri didn't even appear in art of the main set

Spootermane is going to be a flash in the pan before retardicons flock to Avatar. Aang and the gang are way more popular than marvel shit with the MCU being quietly sunsetted. The memes from the original series still resonate today as much as FF is still popular among those fantards.

>>96348066
Not like anyone wants to talk Magic lore anyway

Avatar the Last Airbender!

>>96347510
>Is it over then?
Anon it was over three and a half hours before you made this post. Jesus christ, don't act like you're enduring a great hardship.

>>96348066
>Star Trek
I would laugh so hard at fans of Star Trek coming here. I mean declaring oneself to be a fan of Star Trek has to be on the level of cuckolding.

>>96348204
Dude you know you're being embarassing, right

>>96348066
UB sets for standard are going to have to stay either very grounded and close to generic fantasy or be incredibly recognizable to 40 year old boomers.

>>96348181
That's the name of the thing.

>>96347245
No, that anon is a schizo too since you can just go to the actual story if you care.

>>96348207
I can make fun of star trek, the fans (all three of them) are battered housewives.
>>96348213
That's why spider-man flopping is so important. The fantasy franchises that are suitable for this and recognisable enough are rather limited. And what are they going to do when they run out of suitable IPs? another FIN, another ATLA, the Silmarillion?. The excitement for a second set won't be as big as the first one.

>>96348270
Are you the same guy from a previous thread that thought Star Trek was a "pacifist universe"?

>>96348283
Not that anon. That was weird.

>>96347969
How do you know no one had ever challenged Ozai and absolutely got their shit kicked in? It's established that the only firebender that could have rivaled him was Iroh and he didn't want it

It looks like a mix between Mechanized Warfare and Gnawing Crescendo, I don't know, you kind of want a wide board and probably need to be monored, then it does nothing until at least 4 mana. You can eot cast this for X=3 then next turn Song of Totentanz, that's cool I guess but really fragile.

>>96348293
If I were you, I'd ask the expert at:
>>>/co/149936060

Pic related: strongest card in MTG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwN5HFQe0bY

>>96346622
>>96346672
Yup. Standard is dead.

>>96348000
>I believe nobody cares about this cartoon (there was no thread before I made this)
You're actually so wrong that the word "wrong" isn't enough to express it.

>>96345520
I MADE THE PHOTO OF MY DECK OUT OF FOCUS FOR THAT TRADITIONAL LOOK!

>>96348331
That was just me being cheeky. I just want you and your buddies to have a thread about your beloved cartoon somewhere else.

>>96347760
>Toph (who I thought was a dude)
Original character concept was male. Boy did they strike gold with the gender swap though.

Also this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdlotPE8NjE

have they shown an azula card yet for the avatar set??

>>96348293
Doesn't even have to be Ozai, it could've been any former fire lord.

>>96348128
>Spider-man
>Nobody talked about the lore that I remember,
what lore is there to talk about? capeshit lore is a mess, even the fans know it. If you even tried to summarize the Spider-Man "story" no one could even do it beyond just his origin and maybe the origin of some villains. Maybe the Gwen death or the Clone saga might come up but beyond that, nothing. There's no coherent story. And to top it off, most Spider-Man fans, the actual comic reading ones, really hate the official lore. Fucking Paul.

>>96348394
not revealed yet but we know she's getting at least one since she's the "black" prerelease bundle

>>96348400
>Fucking Paul.
You made me look. I am glad I stopped reading marvel.

>>96348416
she has to get at least 3 cards either mono red rakdos izzet or grixis is my theory

>>96348433
We don't know for sure if she'll get three cards, but it'd make sense if she did alongside the main cast all getting 3 (or 4 in Aang's case).

Odds on beach episode alt arts?

>>96347977
Local meta can be anything from place to place.

>>96348511
I'm thinking 0%

Why do the red symbols look like that

>>96348400
I used to watch the TV show from 94, then some years ago I decided it would be a good idea to get into the comics and since I didn't know where to start from I went to read the latest thing. It was called The Superior Spiderman and it was about Octavius possessing Peter Parker's body and falling in love with a midget. And that's when I realized I won't touch another comic in my life.

> Fucking Paul.
I googled some spoiled card and I read about that, apparently even some writer hated him as well, not seething but like he felt he didn't belong.

Vivi aside there are a lot of really fun cards in Standard. EOE introduced some cards I genuinely love like Weapons Manufacturing and Tezzeret

Every since they switched to one planeswalker a set each planeswalker has been pretty cool and unique

>>96348632
NTA but Superior is legitimately good, probably one of the best things from Marvel in the past decade as low as that bar is
You'd obviously have to like Doc Ock though

>>96348657
Nice and positive opinion, anon!
Sadly the blatant truth is that Standard is a fucking hell and a shit format to play at the moment.

>>96348720
I see the problem though, guy got into Peter Parker Spider-Man from the cartoon, went to check out the current Spider-Man comic, and got a guy who definitely wasn't that.

Tezzeret Scales is a fun Pioneer deck.

>>96348805
Oh yeah that's totally fair
Western comics are kind of a really annoying medium to get into because for any reasonably popular or long-lived character they'll probably have a ton of different stories and artists and interpretations
Hell even just looking at Spider-Man movies you've got 3 different Peters doing different versions of the same origin story

>>96345313
>When designers will fucking fix the formats?
When powercreep and cards designed for commander stops selling.

>>96343375
The sad thing about the "cultural war" we live now is that there is barely any space for nuances anymore. For exemple: Yes, Lowyn elves were racists but they were not KKK racists but rather US inbreed (cousins from Alabama) racists. They saw every other race as inferior and not worth of meaningful interactions but the majority of elves wouldn't try to kill another just being just for being ugly. For exemple Kithkins lived in Elven territory and were actively protected by them, Flamekin were allowed as couriers and mailman in Elven territory. Elves would not go out for extermination hunting against borgats unless those proved to be violent (but elves would "sport" hunt any borgat close enough to elven cities)

>>96343711
I like what Amonkhet could be as a setting. It has so much Darksun vibes. If in a return they did a "there are a few cities being kept alive and ruled by Demons or Sphynxies" I would be invested in whatever they show/spoil about the set.

>>96346131
>>96346135
>>96346144

This set has more SOVL than the last 4 or 5 sets.

>>96346085
It's also because they want to advertise Universe Within to new players. The set that followed LOTR was Eldraine so Lotr had something familiar. I bet they wanted to release Avatar before Tarkir.

>>96346208
They said there won't be any this set. Lessons are instead a tribal archetype.

>>96349236
We're getting Strixhaven after Lorwyn so I'm sure Learn will return then

>>96348602
That was when they changed the artifact frame and I think they had some notion of graying out even the mana symbols to make the card extra metallic or something.

Do you think they'll reference the moment where Sokka and Suki fuck

I feel like the only fucker in the world that knows about Forge.

>>96349033
Comics are interesting because by their nature, these characters are very interpretative (especially older ones like Superman) and sometimes a writer will just... Not 'get' a character (see that, uh, one writer who had Carol Danvers call Magneto the guy that compares everything to the Holocaust who apparently didn't realise that Magneto's THING is he's a Holocaust survivor) and so you just kind of have to deal with that run being shit for a while. It does mean that after the fact, you will often have a lot of good runs or one-off stories that somebody can recommend and they just sort of say "ignore the rest" but that sort of feels like a very weird way to engage with media.

>>96349348
>one of the most iconic villains in comics is a jew whose obsessed with the holocaust
what did marvel mean by this?

>>96349355
He's not really obsessed with it, it's more meant to inform his characterisation. "Never again" is basically his motto, so he views mutantkind as the oppressed group getting targeted and potentially genocided. And... He's basically not a villain nowadays? He's not necessarily GOOD, but he's basically stopped fighting the X-Men too much because there's bigger issues.

>>96349033
>Hell even just looking at Spider-Man movies you've got 3 different Peters doing different versions of the same origin story

Well that's specifically not an issue with marvel comics at least
Unlike DC, there are no pure universe-wide reboots so you can start reading from an ancient 1960s comics run and that shit is technically still canon (unless some of it got retconned in some way years later, which happens from time to time)

>>96349363
i heckin hate when characters have nuance and motivation instead of being cartoonishly evil

>>96349372
TECHNICALLY there was a universe-wide reboot with Secret Wars 2015, but that only changed a few small things (Miles Morales is in the mainline universe and the Infinity Gems are the Infinity Stones being the main things).

They have Lessons in the new avatar set. Do you think they'll have Learn?

>>96348602
Why the two different costs to do the same thing?

>>96349443
ctrl+f "learn" in this thread

>>96349444
Equip is sorcery speed, the other one isn't.

>>96348632
>>96348805

Buying a comic book for the first time can be jarring because it's like tuning in for the 42th season of a serial drama. Especially for Spiderman. Marvel comics are specifically written as a soap opera with superheroes. This has given us great origin stories but this formula leads long-standing characters into really weird places. So most storylines share the same continuity on paper, but you're better off picking and choosing your own headcanon. While each writer has to deal with the baggage from previous runs, they strive to put a different spin on the characters.

But yeah, Peter and the Osborn family are the worst offenders by far.

>>96349495
Ahhhhh

>>96349529
Yeah, for all the problems I have with DC's constant reboots, I think they do a bit better job of meaningfully altering the status quo of its bigger characters than Marvel. Alfred's been dead for years in Batman comics, Superman and Lois have been married with kids for even longer. Meanwhile Spidey's still living with Aunt May, still not with MJ because One More Day refuses to leave, still basically a penniless shmuck reporter, etc. Yet they also make Peter go through some REALLY weird fucking stories in main continuity despite this weird strict adherence to certain assets of the status quo, but he never really comes out meaningfully altered by them. Like I think the current storyline for Peter is... Doctor Doom (who's taken over the world as Sorcerer Supreme it's a whole thing) has delegated some magic tasks to Spider-Man and given him several lives to use up and so Peter's just sort of running around getting killed a bunch.

>>96349698
Honestly, these big shared universes are borderline a mistake in the first place. It's always hobbled the Big Two under a crushing weight of tradition. There's some sort of cosmic irony that the American comic makers are the ones suffocated by traditions while the Japs of all people have a wild west, throw shit at the wall and see what sticks approach.

>>96348416
My wife.

Don't care what her abilities are. I'll pull.

Bros do you think ATLA is going to have TEN whole draft archetypes... one for each color?!?!?!?!?!

>>96349962
Agree. On that note, I also dislike how much American comics have become repetitive and self-referential. For example, Batman was insufferable in the recent Failsafe saga. When the writer pulled up the multiverse to show off alternate versions of the cashcow, I tuned out. the Joker fatigue is also overwhelming. He is such an overrated and overused character. We have to pretend that he is a deep, tragic figure when he's the least interesting villain in the entire DC rogue gallery. The Killing Joke one-shot is dogshit and I'm tired to pretend it's not.

>>96349698
The core problem is that financial needs are at odds with good storytelling. Spiderman is not something that should have lasted this long, which is why they keep rehearsing its origin story. Norman Osborn should have never returned. Aunt May should have stayed dead. Every time Goblin returns, he adds a shitty retcon in Peter's backstory. Like when we find out that Gwen Stacy fucked Norman and they had super kids.

>>96350544
there's 5 colors...

>>96350554
Six. Butthole is a color.

>>96350580
Yeah okay Ugin don't you have some Bolass to be plowing?

>>96350595
I can post and plow Bolas at the same time, bro.
I'm the fuckin' Spirit Dragon, I can multitask.

Avatar cards look very meh so far. Not terrible but not impressive. Earthbending is gunna be the one thing that stops Aang from transforming most of the time too. Hope Azula's pack is more interesting.

>>96350580
What would colorless Avatar stuff even be?

>>96347301
people high on Quantum Riddler atm
NOW FOR THE FUN PART
4-Color Ritual
>vs Broodscale Combo
easy 2-0. i hit a Flare off turn 2 Oracle, opp casts Broodscale off Cavern, i untap with Shardless into Neoform, sac my Oracle and dig up Clarion Conqueror into a concede. Game 2 i have a Force of Vigor for her turn 1 Saga and she tilts off the face of the earth.
>vs Esper Pile
grindy 2-1. i lose game 1 to Solitude Ephemerate as is tradition. Game 2 we trade resources for 15 minutes, he spends both of his Enchanters on Birthing Rituals, i land a Chalice on 1 to stop the insanity with Ephemerate and i get to 'do the thing' with Notion Thief in response to a Quantum Riddler while he's Hellbent. I hit off Shardless Agent again into a 3rd Birthing Ritual that sacs into an Oculus which manifests another Oculus.i Sink his only Flying blocker (a Riddler) and get in there while he fails to natty draw another Solitude.
Game 3 i get to ramp with an Oracle and cast a Pond Prophet plus Birthing Ritual that flips over a Flood Moon. i have a Subtlety for his first Solitude and a Flare for his next one. I get another hit with Shardless Agent into a second Ritual and flop down some Eyeballs for the win.
>vs Boros Clown Car
sweaty 2-0. game 1 he has a standard Guide Pride Ajani open and i get a turn 2 Prophet turn 3 Ritual Oculus that he doesn't immediately have removal for. I have Force for the Goblin Bombardment and he doesn't attack. i 5 him with the Eye and get to Ritual out Flood Moon on my next end step, leaving him with basic Plains and some Islands. He gets a Static Prison off on my Eyeball and dings me with a jumped Ocelot. I get to cast Oracle into a Neoform and get another Eyeball and completely miss on that turns Ritual. he untaps, i Manifest Dread, he does nothing and passes. I untap, flip a manifested Eyeball and he concedes.
game 2 he has Guide Pride but i open Illness into Chalice on 1 and he shows me a hand full of Cats and Guides he has to go with the 2 on board.

>>96350632
spirits
>>96350616
do remember that many of the revealed cards are part of a beginner's set and are intentionally simple

Do the avatar elements translate well to their MTG colours? Like fire and red look very spot on, but white and air much less so.

>>96345490
>How the fuck do these people just exist in the most shameful state of absolute, abject failure achievable by mortal beings, and somehow persist. It is fucking INSANE.
Line go up so for the shareholders they are doing a good job.

>>96350743
I guess they were trying to the "isolationist" route for air since they rarely ever met people.
As for water, they probably couldn't think of anything else

>>96350743
They fit ok. There are different aspects of each, like fire could be either RW or RB depending on the style. Earth is pretty solidly WG. Air I'd put as U, maybe UW. Water is probably GU. The issue is that none of them really fit B super well and there are four of them so it's hard to balance out the colors.

>check out cedh top decks
>half are Thassa oracle decks
If they want Standard to be like Commander they really should just make thassa a staple in all foundations deck.

>>96350743
No, in MtG fire and earth are both red and air and water are blue. You could argue that air is also green since a lot of wind themed spell are green (like hurricane, tornado etc...) and water could also be white since white get more and more ice based spell (gelid shackle, white dragon, on thin ice...)

>>96348350
>tog poster reveals his poorly built deck
>further reinforces the idea that he is the crusade poster
For someone who loves Premodern enough to waste countless hours posting the same drivel over and over again, you're sure fucking awful at the format

>>96350951
I think B is going to get a lot of spirits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjxymvlbWYk

>>96350743
Based on their philosophy:
Fire should be black/red
Earth should be green/white
Water should be blue/green/white
Aire should be red/white.

>>96351265
>Fire should be black/red
>Earth should be green/white
>Water should be blue/green/white
>Aire should be red/white.

>Implement this accurately into your set
>Still no powerful white cards
xD

>November
>They finally ban Cauldron and/or Vivi
>5-color allies takes over standard a couple weeks later
How would you react?

Why are old ally cards rising price?
They aren't any good. They aren't even legal in standard. Speculators at it again?

>>96351388
Commander, you eedjit. People are soi-facing at an old tribe becoming more relevant again, despite all the avatar ally cards completely missing the point of allies where they all interact to help each other as they enter.

>>96351405
No commander deck runs Allies.

Finally starting to crack Pioneer scales open.
The combination of a few things is starting to get it reliable. Shambler and Basri's Lieutenant keep things stuck on the board to soak up counters.

Prairie Dog was a key find. It's a threat that pressures midgames hard, and the lifelink both helps enable Heliod and sustain against Aggro.

Dyadrine is a big upgrade that gives us solid card draw while also being a late game titan with Trample to push through that lethal crack, which Stocking the Pantry could never threaten.

It's fun.

Ok so I dreamt that there existed a card called Deploy the Ruckus which was a card that didn't really exist that was meant to be printed but was unfinished and left off the sheet or something, but you could still find it on Gatherer using special software.
The art was somewhat similar to this, there was no frame except the black border and at the top it had the card name. It was supposed to be an instant or sorcery, might have been white, and all it did was draw a card, but since it had no mana cost you couldn't actually cast it from your hand (presumably the mana cost hadn't been added nor any real effect). I think it was probably intended for Wilds of Eldraine

>>96351405
The only Ally that matters doubles allies triggers.

What's the most fun you've ever had playing this game?

>>96351856
I've never enjoyed playing this game.

>>96351856
>What's the most fun you've ever had playing this game?
One time we went to draft, got drunk and instead started throwing the cards at each other.

>>96346622
>>96348326
Its their plan to push people who need their MTG fix into other formats, obviously

>>96349341
cockatrice/xmage/forge are all dead and they suck ass
i wanted to test a deck yesterday so i tried playing on cockatrice because i didn't want to pay cardhoarder/manatrader rent, opponent just played spells as if counters and interaction didn't fucking exist (i.e. casting preordain and immediately scrying, adding tokens to the field and not giving me a second to respond to the trigger, etc)
then i went on xmage and the server kept crashing in the middle of my matches
i bet forge would be horrible if it had netplay too
TLDR: pay for mtgo

Honestly the thing that kills all capeshit is the cement shoes of continuity. Look at Invincible; it's doing a bunch of standard Superman plots done a hundred times before, but because it doesn't require you to be hooked to a wiki or do 200 hours of capeshit homework it instantly became superhero series of the year, was utterly beloved and sold like buckets.

>>96351526
why does this art look ai generated

>>96347969
>>96348017
>>96348293
>>96348396
I think the implied reason is that most people in the fire nation, or at least the ones close to the fire lord's court, were just fine with his reign and his expansionist campaign. Sozin started the tradition and it has been like that for 100 years. All the people in the fire nation that were against the regime lived far from the main lands or were just killed or driven to exile, like Jeong Jeong.

Also, as the other anons said, Ozai was a super strong firebender anyways, so trying to fight him in a 1v1 duel would be a bad idea anyways.

>>96348143
Please, 2 out of the 6 of FFXII's main characters didn't make the cut nor the main villain. Not even a single summon when that game had the closest version of the card effects in-game.

Don't cry about me when you "just" got some commander cards.

>>96349348
It's only weird because people overthink it. Comics are serialized storytelling involving the same characters and setting. Some things may be carried over between stories, there might be callbacks to older stories, but for the most part all the context you will need is contained within a run of stories by a particular writer. Older comics use first-person narration while modern comics use recap pages to keep people informed on an issue-by-issue basis. An example of this storytelling outside comics are the James Bond films. No one has ever said Bond films are too complicated to get into, that they can't watch the most recent one because they haven't seen the twenty prior films, or that they don't understand why he's fighting a guy named Janus because they thought the villain was named Goldfinger. So while I can understand anon getting frustrated at Superior Spider-Man, at the same time it's kind of like saying "I played Goldeneye as a kid, then a couple years ago I decided to get into James Bond, so I started watching No Time to Die from the middle and dropped it because I was confused."

>>96349348
>>96349376
Yes, but Magneto is literally the guy who compares everything to the Holocaust as a justification to commit terrorism and mass casualty attacks. Also a lot of readers dislike the whole "totally not and has never been a villain" shtick they dropped on Magneto because it strips nuance and neuters the character.

>>96350547
Whenever you have a writer use continuity itself as the crux of a run rather than as a foundation you're almost always in for a bad time.

>>96351856
Amonkhet pre-release where I beat everybody with a curse/afflict deck. Drafts in general are pretty fun. That one time I beat a top standard deck with my jank land destruction brew.

It had its moments.

>>96352165
Niggers need to stop using java
When a autist here port forge to a real framework?

>>96352237
>FFXII
who gives a shit about XII, there's a good reason the cards XII did get are complete dog shit.

>>96352258
I want Curses back so hard man... Really make Curses playable in every format for fuck's sake.

>>96351856
playing with my dad when we had 8th edition starter decks

>>96351856
At my old office there used to be a cafeteria, and during lunchtimes me and some fellas would play Magic. We played 4-player 60-card kitchen-table format. I kept trying to make wolf tribal work. Those were good times.

Also I miss the very first pod I started playing with, we played Commander in the basement at my Mom's house (before I moved out) on Friday night's.

>>96345313
you WILL play the otter

Would the designers bring back Enchant World?

>>96345584
huh? swords to plowshares is not on the reserved list and it's printed all the time for cummander preCONs

>new card dump on Arena
>nothing Pioneer legal
Damn...don't care.

>>96352563
> still no aether vial
god FUCKING damnit
would it kill them to make creature based decks tier 3 viable in timeless?

>>96351856
Making money on an arena open but I'm a chicken and don't even join them because I tell myself there's no way I'm good enough.

>>96351856
Winning an MH2 FNM draft without dropping a game playing 5C with Rise and Shine as my wincon.

>>96351856
going 7-1 in zendikar rising draft with mono blue

>>96352563
None of these are strong enough to see play, we need Dauthi or Eldrazi temple

>>96352563
it baffles me how they keep pushing brawl instead of actually coding real commander

>>96352697
Cocks said they are planning to do it eventually, but it will come with a new client. Not sure if it will be stand-alone client or Arena 2.0.

Its been two years, 40k card universes within reprints when??

>>96352563
How can they release such amount of MH cards in this fucking anthology and still don't make Modern or at least Modern lite a format?
Are they fucking stupid?

https://youtu.be/7gF1qn-KzbM

Reject Satan. Stop playing with Magic cards. Stop giving money to WotC. Denounce Satan and drive him out of your life. God has a plan for you.

>>96351856
winning a FF collector box felt pretty good
I was in the zone. won it on first attempt and never had any doubt that was I going all the way.
winning random drafts against all odds with shitty decks is probably more fun though.

>>96352829
fucking never lol, UB cards are the new reserved list

>>96352829
...never?
The reason they were doing Universe Within reprints wasn't to make "Magic" versions of crossover cards, it was to make those crossover cards available in a way that could be purchased at retail, not Secret Lair Drops. The 40k cards were already purchasable at retail.

>>96352829
>he believed in MaNo lies
deserved

It's MaRo, ok?

>>96351097
Not the same guy as the crusade poster. Also, the deck works great. If you think it's poorly constructed post why. Otherwise, you'll have said nothing at all.

>>96353471
MaRo never said that 40K would be getting universe within reprints.

But UW is only because copyright issues stemming from Marvel not wanting into digital.
40k hadn't such problems. You could reprint it into Standard.

Did they speed up arenas animations? Or did I somehow unlock turbo mode?

>>96353828
They did speed up arena animations.

>>96353837
Sweet
>>96352959
This video always makes me smile. Glad my parents never bought into it back in the day.

/mtg/, as a non-magic player, tell me what's wrong with my idea. I know other people already thought about the same thing since I've seen similar implementations in other games.
If bad hands due to spell/land ratios is such an issue that you need to have mulligans in the game, then why instead of mulligans don't you just play with two decks?
One exclusively for basic lands, and the other for every other card. Whenever you would add a card to your hand, you can pick it from any deck.

Wouldn't it solve bricky hands better? Or would you argue that bad hands is a feature?

>>96352697
>bro just code a 4-player free for all format in your 1v1 game

>>96352697
What's the difference? I've never played commander - does it require 4 people?
Brawl is fun, but the only deck I could craft was Tifa. I don't think people like playing me.

>>96354007
BRAZILIANS CODED IT ON JAVA

>>96353985
You can't just change a core part of the game like lands at this point, it's too ingrained into how things are. So many mechanics would need to be changed and reworked that it would be easier to just make a new game from scratch. Which they did, its called duel masters.

>>96352697
Arena was built to be a hearthstone clone. I'd wager there is already some new client in the works to try and cash in on the commander craze, but it'll be 5 years too late, like usual.

>>96353985
It inevitably makes matches too repetitive. In Magic you need to actually adjust your deck to improve consistency. See pic related, which got banned in multiple formats because it made decks way too consistent at too low of a cost (free). The game is built around it, as well as pretty much all decks. Aggro decks rely on taking advantage of weak starts, control decks will run cards solely to make sure they hit land drops, etc. Also plenty of other games have mulligans regardless of lands, idk what you mean by that.

>>96353985
Because it would completely destroy the game. I disagree with extra decks and I think managing a landbase is part of the game's deckbuilding appeal, but it just flat out would not work at this point.
Like, they've said before that if they could redo the game from scratch, they'd remove instants as a card type and make a supertype- so you could have instant creatures, instant sorceries, instant enchantments and so on, instead of having to give them flash. But they can't do that, because that'd mean errataing literally thousands of cards and completely changing the game's mechanics and rules.
If you wanted to implement a land deck, all land tutor cards are bricked and need to have errata, and also they lose a lot of their appeal because they don't shuffle your deck anymore. Landfall as a strategy needs to be completely reconsidered because now every deck has completely reliable access to lands. Aggro can just straight up run 60 bolts or Goblin Guide creatures and never ever run out of gas. Many graveyard-centric strategies have to change course completely because how does milling work now? What about effects that just change the whole deck like "mill half your deck"? How do these work now? Is mill-combo just a completely nonviable strategy? Does mill affect both libraries, making it twice as strong by default? Are the graveyards mixed (so now you have to separate them every game) or are they separate, meaning all "mill cards, return [thing] from your graveyard" also get bricked? The entire game has to be reconsidered from the ground up. It's just not worth it.

>>96353985
it would fix it yeah. was actually a bit hyped about that force of will game because it had that but alas.
changing it now is too late however. they'll just print more double faced cards or something like that but it should have been 2 decks from the start. maybe even landfall faggotry wouldn't exist

>>96354052
coding a commander client which they're doing already is not the same thing as rewriting a preexisting game to just allow something it doesn't, retard. might as well ask why Fallout: New Vegas doesn't have a massive multiplayer gamemode.

>>96354066
When they will fucking admit Alchemy is a mistake, no one likes it, just take resources they could actually invest in make the client “real” (introducing pauper, modern or legacy for example) and that “Hearthstone formula” with the colors, explosions and zoomer shit will never appeal the MTG core audience?

I mean it’s fucking time right?

>>96353985
oh and to add. it kinda is a feature since they can print cards like goblin charbelcher and land grand that make whole archetypes

>>96354124
I genuinely doubt Alchemy takes resources at all. The cards are some random ass shit some intern cooked with leftover art.

why does wizards always overprice redirect effects? 5 life or 2 colorless mana is a ridiculous additional cost. Redirect cards are dead cards unless you are lucky.

IMO, it should cost 1 red only. OR, pay nothing and it costs 5 life

>>96354179
Because they don't want to make 1 mana 2 for 1s that protect pieces on the board?

>>96354060
Is duel masters worth playing if I like TCGs? Does the japanese client have a translation?

>>96354179
Because they're 2-for-1 by their very nature, retard. Also that's a lesson, meaning you can tutor it out of your sideboard at any fucking moment for as little as 1 mana.

>>96354207
I've personally never played it. I just know it was WOTCs attempt to make MTG in the east, but instead of lands you can play the creatures upside down as lands.

>>96354179
This is a powerful effect to have on a lesson you can fetch for the exact times you need it

>>96354202
Unban it in Pioneer.
Unironically.

>>96354124
Never. We just got a new sliver lord with warp, but he's stuck in alchemy hell forever.

>>96354179
This instantly nulls nearly all counterspells, steals most nonsweeper, nongreen removal cards of your opponent and can flip burns or Thoughtseize right into your enemy's face.

>>96354277
there won't be any learn cards in standard until maybe strixhaven 2

>>96354202
Veil is only busted because it replaces itself with a draw. They could reprint autumn's veil tomorrow and it would be fine.

>>96354301
Yes, autumn's veil is a 1 for 1. Summer is a 2 for 1. That is what I said. Redirect is (in many cases) a 2 for 1. It should absolutely not be 1 mana with no downside. This one even has a potential extra upside, it's a lesson.

>>96354346
The lesson part is the biggest thing IMO. Strixhaven 2 is probably a year or two out but even then both these cards will be in standard at the same time. Not to mention any eternal formats.

>>96354286
Is an actual shit. Whit the time they are wasting with this sub products no one but the most retarded zoomers fall for they could have added real formats, Cummander, spectator mode or at least improve the actual client

>>96354358
Potentially, yeah. Being able to tutor for a card is always a big upgrade, seems people already forgot how much it can matter.

>>96354179
Because it's a red counterspell.

>>96354297
yes, but redirect spells are reactive and most of the time are sitting in your hand doing nothing. If you're casting a learn spell to tutor Redirect Lightning on the fly, that's the cost of the tutor spell and the tutor spell takes up a slot.

How often do you see people actually play with Redirect effects?

Someone gave the example of Veil of Summer, but that draws a card, makes your spells uncounterable, AND gives all your creatures hexproof

>>96354423
Are you perhaps implying no other colour than blue should have access to counters anon?

>>96354179
I know right. Powerful interaction has to have all these additional costs and caveats but you can put down a two mana cost creature that has haste, can't be countered, and prevents creatures from being countered or a 2 mana cost spell that is designed to be out of range of shock/stab but prevents the opponent from playing spells on your turn with ETB triggers on attack with no drawbacks.

>>96354461
veil of summer vs thoughtseize:
they don't look at your hand, and you draw a card

redirect lightning vs thoughtseize:
they don't look at your hand, and you get to thoughtseize them

>yes, but counterspells are reactive and most of the time are sitting in your hand doing nothing
You see how stupid that sounds?

>>96354488
The Cummander focused design we all enjoy right? :^) hyper efficient threats and poop level overcosted interaction

>>96354518
>yes, but counterspells are reactive

Counterspells hit ANY spell. Redirect lightning hits a single target spell and require a new, legal target. If the player is playing destroy creature spells, they're most likely a control player with no creatures

Veil of Summer is better than Redirect Lightning. Drawing a card is better. Proactive vs reactive

>>96354592
>If the player is playing destroy creature spells, they're most likely a control player with no creatures
No. Black/white aggro have ran 4-5 removal spells for as long as the game as existed. There is no White weenie deck that didn't run 4 stp if it had the ability to do so. Red will often use shocks/bolts to remove creatures because they end up doing more damage with unblocked creatures than if they held on to the burn to focus down the player.

>>96354179
>Print a bunch of red redirect cards into standard
>Print no wincons that target a player
>Most cards that target a player in standard still give the caster/controller all the benefits, or they give the caster/controller the option to target everyone, negating the point of a redirect
>Pic related are the only cards in standard that target a player that are worth redirecting
They've printed 3 of these spells with this exact effect since Thunder Junction and now we're getting a fourth. Why even make these so open if the only thing you can do 99% of the time is redirect a kill spell?

>>96354488
Woah woah a 2-drop out of shock/stab range? You're not thinking FIRE enough anon. We're printing unkillable 1-drops here that flip into a 4/4 lifelink that gives indestructible to your whole board.

>>96354665
give us back lightning bolt in standard if this shit's gonna be the norm

>>96354728
Lightning bolt
Swords to plowshares
Dismember
Metal misstep
Gitaxian prove
Fatal Push
Galvanic discharge
This is the level of interaction we should get in Current Standard according with the level of threats.

>>96354807
you lost me at mental misstep

>>96354807
This. I have 23 git probes from back in the day I can't run anymore because paying two life to look at someone's hand and draw a card is somehow "too powerful."

>>96354807
Why?

>>96354592
Counterspells are (usually) 1 for 1. Veil of summer only hits two colors and spells that target or counter, but because it's a 2 for 1 it's much stronger. Redirect is in a similar boat.

>>96354488
Because powerful interaction is stronger then a powerful creature, duh. Swords to Plowshares outclasses Ocelot Pride or Guide of Souls any day of the week.

>>96355144
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>>96352237
Square hates Ivalice because its good so people wont stop asking them for more Ivalice.

>>96352844
>Are they fucking stupid?
...yes? I mean, we already know that

>>96354257
>but instead of lands you can play the creatures upside down as lands
nta. I think creatures that can be played upside down as lands would be quite interesting and could alleviate mana problems.
just make them decently playable. not too bad as a vanilla, not too good so it always feels bad to play them as lands.

>>96352829
I'd say give it 'til the end of the year.

>>96347376
She's 14 years old you sick fuck

>>96352829
No one has been asking for any card in particular only all the cards so they rather ignore it until there's genuine demand.