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>Thread Question:
Xenos rules for CO-OP?

>>96399806 (OP)
>TQ
Official models for the Titanicus Monster Hunter minigame

>>96399799
Raiding my bits box and I've found some promising stuff already.
Any particular special weapon?

>>96398585

Okay, then tell me how you'd improve it. What's wrong with it? Why are you shitting on the designers from the 90s and 2000s who gave their lives to crafting a perfect game system for us?

Some anon last thread was saying something about this guy being a cancelled Corax model? Care to elaborate?

>>96399823
Do you have the old sternguard plasma gun with the little scope?

>>96399806 (OP)
>Xenos rules for CO-OP
I honestly wouldn't mind just having xeno rules. Orks at least have barely changed since the Heresy.

The Eldar should probably be very different since they were mostly proto dark eldar during the Heresy. Craftworlders existed but spirit stones and the path system only became widespread afterwards when Asurmens temple city was overrun by daemons and the phoenix lords went walkabout.

I think I'm one weekend away from finishing this guy for good

>>96399848
Dew it

>>96399806 (OP)
>Xenos ru-
No

>>96399838
Some anon a while ago said something about how it would have been cool to have had a Great Crusade generic Xenos list. Where like the Daemon list, you could just add rules to fit your force. Mixed with some Militia Provenance type stuff and it sounds like a lot of fun. People would have carefully converted Hrud armies and Rangdan and so on.

I would like to fight xenos battles in the Great Crusade with my Dusk Raiders, then fight legion battles in the Heresy with my Death Guard, then fight the newly founded Inquisition forces in the Scouring with my Legiones Hereticus. But we can't have anything nice because three year cycle and blanding.

>>96399757

The ease of playing Pinning 3 artillery car park with SA or Arquitor grav-cannons (possibly even scarier) is why I'm strongly considering a Termite DS squad instead of the usual Thallax. Thallax can multimelta one tank, but the termite has a blast meltagun so if they're hull to hull behind a building you can get two, and the squad inside can shoot a different one.

The Praetor and all the other tiny superheavies like the Macharius also get pretty brutally mistreated by Giant Killer - you can kill a Praetor with two meltagun shots, and a baneblade/fellblade chassis with only three, and that handing over 2-4 VP is pretty brutal when the Kratos is happily doing more work for more points, rewards its killer with precisely nothing and doesn't have armour that infantry meltas can reasonably pen.

>>96399879
Hey that was me, and each rule you added to the Overlord it increased its Bulky value

>>96399829
Corax was rumored for a while and to be spookier. Then this noname guy the size of a primarch shows up wearing the Lions armor with a jump pack and tribal shit.

>>96399806 (OP)
Why does the sun have a horse?
Horses Hearsay?

>>96399896
Whore's Horsey

>>96399892
We just have to accept that we'll have to write it ourselves if we want anything good. Every group should start adding their own rulesets.

>>96399892
Wait, he's primarch sized? And how is that "Primarch Armor"?

>>96399896
The horsehair series

>>96399911
Just Fucking play Titanicus

>>96399920
Kek

>>96399917
Primarchs arent HUGE huge, just lanky. Look at the lions 40k armor and then his.

>>96399922
I would like to, I have a starter force built and based.

>>96399832
>sternguard plasma gun
I do not

Alright anons I know this is really retarded and probably completely terrible but I always associated AL with missile weaponry (probably because dozens of missile trails kind of evokes the many neck of the hydra). I kind of wanted to try this out once I get access to a 3d printer.

That being said, here's the Missile list:

3000 pts, AL:

Centurion, Command rhino with havoc

3*10 tacs in rhinos with havoc launchers
(Couldn't put any missiles on the tacs so gave the Sgts grenade launchers)

RoT: 1*7 Tyrant Siege Terminators

2*10 missile launcher squads

4* Sicaran Arcus
2* Scorpius missile tanks
2* Hyperios missile tanks

>>96399936
DO IT

>>96399933
I mean, I guess the shinguards are ab it similar but the kneepads are completely different, and so is everything else about the armor

>>96399943
A spare cailver then? Or a rotor cannon for pinning jocks that get too close?

>>96399968
>Or a rotor cannon
So, so many rotor cannons

>>96399971
Belt fed?

>>96399953
NTA but to me it looks ultra ornate. Even Shrike is just normal phobos.

>>96399984
Well it IS a chapter master. Shrike was an early model before they stopped sitting on their hands.

>>96399979
40k TSon, because I do TSons
More of a drum fed design. Or it's just magic dust that turns into bullets

>>96399984
Hes the RG chapter master, of course he's ornate.
>but Shrike was chapter master of the RG too.
Shrike was promoted to incompetence. He was only chapter master until he could convince someone else to do it instead.

>>96399993
I think it's magic dust that turns into bullets, but it could work with some scraping.

>>96399997
The guy is straight out of war cry. Severax was also more conservative. This guy is over the top in a chapter that "We don't do that here"

>>96400030
That just makes it good conversion bait

>>96399879
A generic xeno list wouldn't work without modifying the providence list somewhat.

I'd do a 2 part system personally.

Origin-Culture

Origin would determine the statline of your armies generic trooper as well as the base ppm. There would be Eldar and Ork equivalents as well as a few other interesting bodies.

Culture would basically be your providence equivalent. Each Ambition would unlock some bonus units, rules or wargear as well as having its own unique auxiliary detachment. You could have 1 or 2 culture selections but taking a second culture selection would also give you a debuff rule you'd have to select from a list as well.

After that you'd have a number of extremely generic unit types with a shit load of weapon and wargear choices. Could be fun.

>>96400030
Personally I like it. We could use more tribalistic elements in our Space Marines. Shows that for all their embellishment they aren't that different from the techno-barbarians of earth, they're all just psychos who were gifted supertech they don't even understand. It's part of why I love HH, where you have stuff like SoH being gangsters or WS having disgraced seppukku soldiers gives the faction A TON of flavor.

So what I'm saying is give me more feather cloaks you cowards. The winged jump packs are already one of the coolest bits in the range

Stupid sexy Jaghatai.

>>96400135
awoooga

>>96399944
bro you are going to get charged turn 1 and then never score a single vp

>>96399917
>>96399933
he's not that big, doubt he's much bigger than any other Primaris marine if at all

his armour has no particular similarities other than the angular front of the greaves, although the knee looks superficially similar because we don't normally see what's behind the greaves on Mk6 style armour (and he's clearly wearing some kind of MkX anyway)

>>96399806 (OP)
Xenos need to be in heresy so that it can truly complete its evolution into something that can rival 40k. So I can play against eldar and orks like the good old days, without the terrible rules design of nu40k. 3.0 is shit, sure, but it's still much better than fucking 10th ed.

>>96400095
I meant if it had a Militia Provenace STYLE list of army variations, that it would be nice.

>>96399867
Wish I could play sons of horus, but a guy at my store already plays them. Guess I'll have to play ultramarines instead.

>>96400095
I like your ideas on Culture and Ambition picks.
Gonna yoink that for my own stuff.

Post 3.0 Games anons.

I finally got a game in this wekeend and had alot of fun. The additon of status effects is amazing and love what it brings to list building and gameplay.

My WS went out for a bash against a new 30k player in my areas SoH. Fuck me the Justis are mean as hell. Stand out unit for me was the Golden Keshig and Speeders with insane movement and pressure.

>>96400246
Coward.

>>96400246
Nothing wrong with ultramarines. What, are you afraid of joining the Greatest Of Them All?

>>96399892
Leakers have been wrong in the past in ways that make it seem like they saw the thing but identified it wrong. I wouldn’t be surprised if they saw the new Raven Guard model and mistook it for a Primarch.

>>96400246
> Namefag
> Also a bitch
Strange how those two things always seem to be packaged together

>>96400246
>Doesn't control every room he enters
No son of Horus, indeed. Live Torgaddon reaction
>‘How would you like this to go, Eidolon?’ Torgaddon inquired. ‘Would you, perhaps, like to go home with your head stuck up your arse?’
>‘You are a base-born cur,’ Eidolon hissed.
>‘Just so you know,’ replied Torgaddon, ‘you’ll have to do an awful lot better than that. I’m a base-born cur and proud of it. You know what that is?’
>He pointed up at one of the stars above them.
>‘A star?’ asked Eidolon, momentarily wrong-footed.
>‘Yes, probably. I haven’t the faintest idea. The point is, I’m the designated commander of the Luna Wolves speartip, come to rescue your sorry backsides. I do this by warrant of the Warmaster himself.
>He’s up there, in one of those stars, and right now he thinks you’re a cretin. And he’ll tell Fulgrim so, next time he meets him.’

>>96400441
Okay that's based

What do you think is the most practical/realistic Astartes tank design?
I feel like the most realistic vehicle period would be the Rhino for being straight up just an FV432 in space but I'm curious about the actual tanks.

>>96400480
If we want to get lame, then the whirlwind since it's just a cruise missile launcher, the chassis doesn't matter much.

>>96400480
Then so would be the Predator, right? I heard the Merkava has the engine at the front, so any hit would disable it instead of the crew themselves, so they can survive.
Pretty eldar of them israeli, if you ask me

>>96400480
Rhino, predator sans sponsons, and whirlwind on accout of having real world equivalents. The vindicator is a sturmtiger sure, but that was never practical. Everything else either has no suspension or is too huge.

>>96400487
>>96400492
Darn, I should've just excluded rhino chassis vehicles, they're just way too reasonable compared to the rest haha.

Let's limit it to the superheavies, Sabres, sicarans (all variants), Kratos and Arquitor(?)
Out of them my guy feeling is Sabres for being pretty close to Stugs and having good sloping but I'm sure smarter anons will have differing opinions

>>96400521
Sabre has no traverse or suspension so it's not practical or realistic

>>96400441
That's not what happened. As narrated by Jonathan Keeble:

>‘How would you like this to go, Eidolon?’ Torgaddon inquired. ‘Would you, perhaps, like to go home with my cock stuck up your arse?’
>‘You are a base-born cur,’ Eidolon hissed.
>‘Just so you know,’ replied Torgaddon, ‘you’ll have to do an awful lot better than that. I’m a base-born cur and proud of it.'
>Before Eidolon could react, Torgaddon pounced on him, tackling him to the ground and pinning him there.
>‘W-what are you doing, you degenerate!?’ asked Eidolon, momentarily wrong-footed.
>As Torgaddon pinned his weight down on Eidolon, he began to rip away at the power armor covering his backside, tearing away ceramite and plasteel before ripping open the Lord Commander's bodyglove, exposing his shaved rear.
>‘The point is, I’m the designated commander of the Luna Wolves speartip, come to rape your sorry backside. I do this by warrant of the Warmaster himself.'
>'N-NOOOO!!!!" roared Eidolon, furious. It is said that astartes knew no fear, but in that moment, a hint of that alien feeling entered Eidolon, and he despised himself for it.
>'Lucius!!! Get this barbarian off of me!!!" growled Eidolon, before he let out a deep, guttural scream. Torgaddon's raging cock was inside of him, 12 inches long and almost as thick. It was ripping his hole apart.
>As Torgaddon began to thrust, Lucius watched on his horror, before ripping away at his own armor near his groin, pulling out his own member and stroking silently. Yes, he had earned this, finally the Lord Commander would learn his place!
>"Y-YOU-" Eidolon let out, before screaming again, louder, as Torgaddon's pulsing phallus grew ever larger.
>Torgaddon tensed, hard, gripping Eidolon's pauldron to the point that the ceramite began to crack, before...
>"'AUUUUGGGHHH!' cried Eidolon as Torgaddon's gene-seed entered his rectum, spreading deep inside of him, soiling the purity of the Emperor's genetic craftsmanship.
>

>>96400492
The predator has sponsons, which are very silly.

Most realistic solar aux vehicles?

>>96400368
I've never seen this artwork before. Where is it from?

>>96400534
Sentinel lmao

>>96400521
Well, none of the superheavies are practical for the same reason we don't have gigatnaks IRl and big boats are always followed by an entire fleet of AA boats: Big slow things die to planes. And I'm not counting any of the self-propelled artillery pieces like the Arquitors because at that point we're not examining the tank, just the gun that would work just as well mounted on the ground and crewed by 5 guardsmen. So we're left with... Sicarans, Kratos, and the transports. I'm gonna go with Land Raider, probably one of the variants like explorator or Achilles. Virtually indestructible, best AI in the market, enough firepower to melt tanks, etc. The big honkin' ramp to disgorge angry men with axes is the impractical part, but that's solved by EWAR equipment or just another gun like the variants

I wish extra (Special Assignment) Praetors handed extra reactions. Sure WS6 gives them a great statline...that's okay? He's good at punching. It's one guy.
The Delegatus unlocks another Prime Detachment of three elite squads. That's many more guys. An extra Reaction would be great.
Why do I want ONE guy who is good at melee? Snipe that guy. See how skilled he is with his brain on the floor.

>>96400531
>Masturbate before posting
X
>Masturbate *during* posting
XXX

>>96400532
Think of them as remote weapon stations?

I like flamers. I like fire. What’s for me in Hh.

>>96400564

Special Assignment is an odd one, honestly. Praetors aren't a huge step up on regular Champs in anything but Master of the Legion, you can't put a unique character in the SA slot so Mech can't do, say, Draykavac for the cool gambit w/ Macrotek apex, and at that point I may as well just buy more regular Magi because they give me more detachments. Solar Aux don't get shit. I suppose upgrading a shield-captain to a Tribune or a Magos to an Archmagos is at least a bit more substantial statline-wise.

>>96400610
Salamanders

>>96400610
Salamanders for regular gay normal fire, DG for stinky green evil chemical fire, word bearers for weird pedo unholy fire

>>96400580
On top of a tank is okay, but even then the additional height is one of the reasons they're not used frequently. On the sides of a tank it's much worse because now they impede mobility by making the tank wider and they're more susceptible to damage by getting caught on something and torn off and reloading them means you either need to exit the vehicle or open the hatches on the side which are now big weak points.

>>96400559
No suspension means something like that isn't going anywhere fast and if it does go fast everyone inside is getting smacked around. Even in power armor that's gonna be debilitating after a while.

>>96400699
I'm going to assume it's got fancy DAoT suspencion we can't see under the track guards, since they're reported to be able to move at "blazinginly fast speeds" over the roughest of terrain. Wasn't it originally meant as a vehicle to explore untamed planets?

>>96400736
If the armor goes down to the treads like it does then it has no suspension. Even the explorator barely has anything there.

>>96399806 (OP)
The combat forces look super cool and will probably push me into HH if I can find a local scene in the city I am moving to. Do we have any price/date rumours?

>>96400796
They cost $250

>>96400753
You're assuming the tracks work like IRL tracks. For all we know each wheel has an inertia-dampening magic ball bearing

>>96400802
foul trickster

>>96400809
Sure

What exactly are the properties of Ceramite? Is it metal or ceramic? Does it dent or shatter? Can you melt it and forge it? Can you bend it?

>>96400991
Yep.

>>96400516
>but that was never practica
I think there was some complaint from sturmtiger crews that the heavy armor was unnecessary because you had to stay so far away from the mortar's explosion that it was irrelevant and slowed the tank down.
No I don't know where I heard that.

>>96400351
I had a 2000 pt Alpha Legion vs Thousand Sons game today, no pics. My 3rd, his 1st. He won 24-22.
Observations:
>Champions are dead 'ard. He and his tac squad tanked 50% of the TS dumping all their ranged weapons, then he by himself spent 2 turns locked in combat with the Sekhmet
>my Araknae was like an inverse Distraction Carnifex (Danger Zoanthrope?). He was terrified to move his tacs close enough to contest because the one time he did I got LOS and deleted half his squad
>the issue of what is majority in a unit of 2 models came up a lot and had to be decided with roll-offs
>Exodus was fun
>he used the current Asphyx bolter with the pistol rules and they were annoying but not terrible impactful
>Volkite Kratos is the answer to the tacspam question. Forget AT for LRs, bring it for the Kratos.
>I'm not sure if I was pulling punches or trying to bait him into a bad play but I kept my termies in their LR t2 and that cost me momentum overall

>>96401063
>he used the current Asphyx bolter with the pistol rules
I feel like these kind of obvious rules errors serves as a litmus test for if the player is a cunt

>>96401097
You don't know if it's an error or not though.

>>96401097
Apparently he asked the GW blackshirt (terrible choice), who told him it was likely intentional. I have no strong feelings one way or the other and chalk it up to more 3.0 schizophrenia.

>>96400991
yes, that's right. it's also a whiteish-blackish-grayish-brownish color.

>>96401125
It's not like there's already some bizarre rules around.
The same page puts aether-fire blasters in the special weapons list even though they're supposed to be plasma blasters.

>>96401097
>>96401125
>>96401143
GW rules writing is so fucking confusing and schizophrenic, I would genuinely be hesitant to use common sense when trying to figure out what the RAI actually is meant to be, for something like this.

>>96401106
>this random bolter just has pistol for some reason
>anon thinks there's a chance it's intentional
I do know

>>96401174
Anon we just got out of an edition where sergeants could tank 50 bolter rounds like a meatshield and a brass scorpion was a knight and we're in an edition right now where an autocannon round can stop a knight dead in its tracks while an armiger gets a save against it.. James is a retard you can't think about this logically.

>>96401186
knights get saves against glancing hits
please do not try to sound like an expert

>Ligma ogryns went up in price
I guess they had it coming, after the tanks they're my deadliest unit
>But they also gained a second wound
Jesus christ
>>96399806 (OP)
pic related

>>96401063
Out of curiosity I did the math, and rounding up the Kratos kills 7 tacs in 3.0 as opposed to 9 in 3.0.
However the main gun is now suppressive(1) instead of essentially pinning(0) in 2.0 and it's also cheaper and more durable. It can also run over infantry better and can't be moveblocked.

Overall I'd say it's an improvement, at 295 instead of 320, and its now much harder to put down. Having a better chance of denying the enemy scoring is arguably a bit better than killing the two extra guys, and a locus on it would make it surprisingly good at killing laser rapiers other annoying higher toughness units.

>>96401221
I am exceptionally sad that they nerfed the fuck out of tank shock.

99% of players I ever encountered never even used it, but its legit been a sleeper rules for so many editions of warhammer.

The ability to force a morale test, break a unit, then continue the tank shock and simply delete the unit is such a fucking funny interaction, and absolutely no one ever saw it coming.

>>96400796
From what I’ve heard from insiders it’s gonna be the same price as combat patrols so 100 euros. Gonna be a huge fucking discount

>>96401246
I never understood how that actually worked, as far as I could figure out you could never actually use the clause on the other side about using your remaining movement because you were specifically not allowed to keep going.

Ramming is interesting in 3.0 because you can tag as many units as you can touch so you could send a rhino for example barreling through an objective and getting d6 s6 autohits on any unit it goes over. It's a real shame you can't ram enemy vehicles any more though

>>96401211
This is what happend when I tell Still in Love that I burned Armatura for her

Whats this part on the upgrade sprue?
>I havent bought anything yet

>>96401307
A lightning claw

>>96401314
Oh sweet.

>>96401316
Caw caw motherfucker

>>96401063
>Volkite Kratos is the answer to the tacspam question. Forget AT for LRs, bring it for the Kratos.

I feel like the Kratos Volkite gun isnt even the best Volkite gun to shoot tacs with, let alone the best gun to have on the Kratos. D2 seems like a huge waste unless youre trying to punk ~2 Vets a turn.

>>96401321
I came here to ask because HH marine sets are begging to be turned into chaos 40k stuff.
>I just so happen to desire some twin claw dudes

>>96401063
The AV14 discussion has always been about the kratos. It's busted.

>>96401164
Given that I've seen at least one instance of a FAQ question of "can this rule be used in [the only instance in which the rule could possibly be used]?" Be answered with "No." Meaning the rule can never actually be used, I've long since concluded that theres no point trying to determine the intent of a rule that seems odd, the intent could be anything whatsoever.

>>96401273
I think they changed it from 1e to 2e 30k, but you used to be able to just drive forwards as far as you could move. Enemy models had to move out of the way (no damage inflicted, ramming vehicles is a different mechanic) but get forced to pass a morale test, with already falling back units auto failing, potentially sending units flying off the board.

post titans

So I'm making progress with my mechanicum army. So far I've 24 thallax, one tech priest, 12 myrmidons and 3 voraxii. I guess I need to have more characters to unlock different more units. But besides that, where to expand? I'm not too fond of models knight and armiger sized models, nor do I particularly like the aesthetics of tracked mechanicum vehicles. Are castellaxii and ursaraxii good choices? Mobile assault troops sound pretty neat to me.

>>96401410
the thanatar is a magnificent model in either flavor but it sounds like you might not want something so big
perhaps were it the only one?

>>96401410
Can never go wrong with castellax

>>96401410
get a kytan

>>96401416

How big is that thing?

>>96401419

Regular castellax or the ones with heavy weapons?

>>96401221

The loadout I think is meanest and also possibly a good bit undercosted is melta main gun + volkite wherever else it'll fit. Throw the Decurion Locus on one of them and you have a damn near invincible tank that can freely engage any unit going, atomise even AV14 vehicles with a D8 mega-melta at 24" and Return Fire with same. Suffers slightly from the silly split fire rules, granted, but I'm not entirely sure what you're meant to do about someone rolling up with three of them short of deploying the Brass Scorpion or running only TEQ.

>>96401428
~12cm range in height and he's fucking phat in many dimensions besides

that's including the mortar's girth and chode length as well tho

>>96401410
>>96401424
Kytan or Brass Scorpion you coward, the sacred machine demands blood!

>>96401428
They are giga niggas. The Thanatar Calix is my favorite because it can stand at the back with a magos repairing it the whole game

>>96401428
>Regular castellax or the ones with heavy weapons?
yes

>>96401410

Castellax are solid line bots whatever you equip them with. The basic model is quite cheap at only 50ppm so you can take big blocks, and will happily sit there soaking fire while you buff them with cybertheurgy and fire 8-16 shots at enemy infantry per robot because they fire everything at full BS in the Volley phase. Don't expect miracles, but they're tough and with a Cybernetica priest in the unit they score as if they were Line 1-2 depending on the HQ choice. The special weapons guys have less brutal volley fire but solid anti-Terminator and anti-light vehicle guns, so tailor to taste.

Ursarax are a personal favourite, but you'll want your army led by a Lacrymaerta archmagos to get the best out of them - his special detachment lets you bring up to three units of Ursas and makes them S6 and W3, so you have 81 wounds of feral bear hugs charging up the board. They lose to terminators and dreads, but at S6 AP3 they'll blend any power armour they touch, are fast enough to get into and out of trouble and require a truly herculean amount of fire to put down unless someone has a ton of demolisher cannons or Phosphex. Don't really need buffing or attached characters, and the whole wave of 27 is about a quarter of your list, so just let 'em rip with almost all claws, maybe a couple of fists per squad to can-open vehicles.

>>96401454

For once, a model that looks like it deserves T8 and double figure wounds. I thought the Calix was a bit overpriced this edition until I realised that the Sicaran Venator was about 70 points less, had the same gun and wasn't almost indestructible, even if it is a bit annoying that the Calix can't split fire that mauler cannon.

>T5 2W 3+/6++ at 10ppm
Are these the best points-per durability models in the game?

>moldline or sprue connection you didn’t catch until the detail stage
It hurts

>>96401410
>>96401428
>Regular castellax or the ones with heavy weapons?
Both do good work, though keep in mind they're separate units this edition. Both multi melta and darkfire each Terminators while being able to spec into a little light vehicle killing, meanwhile basic mauler castellax unleash an unholy dakka storm between normal shooting, volley shooting, and possible gun down shooting, all at their full (albeit base BS3) accuracy

Finished my vet tactical squad, shotgun bits came in finally

>>96401518
looks like

>>96401533
Schizoid loadout but neat

>>96401518

Very possibly. Weak to snipers though, since if you take out the mandatory attached character the entire unit shuts down, and it's hard to get enough retinue slots to bring very many of them without sacrificing your Apex.

>>96401518
criminal considering what they did to thralls

Skimming through the mech liber a bit more, why owuld you ever buy the alpha for 10 points? Are the mental stats worth it?

Also, can I get a "mechanicum factions for dummies" qrd? Seems like main detachment can have mixed tribes, but aux are monotribe, unless you logi benefit, in which case they can mix tribes again? Why did they make it like this?

>A Thallax costs as much as 2 Tactical Marines
What.

>>96401428
Both types of castellax work. Their bad BS means they both want a buff magos.

Normal castellax are a nuisance unit that are cheap, but need fairly serious weapons to remove efficiently, destructor castellax are genuinely threatening to elites, dreadnoughts and light vehicles, darkfire cannons are exceptionally good weapons because they are Supressive and also good at dealing damage, so your opponent will waste shooting at a 130 point unit so their expensive units don't end up suppressed.

>>96401536
What do you mean schizoid, these are all relatively close ranged weapons and they each inflict a different status :O. Shotguns, heavy flamers, and combi-gravs, they prepare the infidels to receive the glory of the dark gods (VERY fast gal vorbak at incredibly hihg speeds)

Got up to here before bed. Not sure whether I should shade the metals or white panels before I seal and oil wash or not.

>>96400441
It really is a mystery how Eidolon ever kept his job as the #2 of the legion. He was an open embarrassment in the eyes of the his subordinates, his peers, and his superiors.

Morning everyone, quick question.
We all know that the Primarchs varied in physical build - some were taller, others a lot more muscular - but how much stronger would the weakest one (arguably Lorgar, Mortarion or Alpharius) be compared to a baseline Astartes?

>>96401629
Get off reddit

>>96401627
Mortarion was not a weak primarch, he was one of the biggest.

Even Lorgar would be so far beyond a regular Astartes that it's not even measurable.

>>96401629
nice try, alpharius

>>96401643
post models

>>96401656
>>96401533

>>96401656
first post the naked ones you painted

>>96401644
Didn't picrel beat Magnus 1v1? And Abby killed a Horus clone

>>96401671
>ADB

>>96401671
Meh, anon asked how "strong" they were, not what would happen if a wizard was using hax and written as a gary stu

>>96401589
oooooooooh these will look neat oiled and weathered Anon!

>>96401644
Daemon Primarch Mortarion was beaten by a marine afaik

I know it's corny but I'm really happy to see that people are defeating their insecurities and the thread schizo by posting their models. You do this board proud.

>>96401776

Thanks man. I aim for a tabletop standard for my models, not Instagram.

>>96401772
We don't talk about that. Also, true name bs was involved

>>96401437
>>96401454

Beautiful model, but a bit too large for my taste.

eater first captain
jump rig and more standard power plant both magnetized ;3

>>96401671
I assume when they said strength they meant actual physical strength and not how good they were in a fight.

>>96401518
Guess so, but they used to have essentially 3 power fist attacks each or something, so I'm not that impressed

>>96401550
>Why did they make it like this?
Lore, every Magos you bring is essentially a vassal answering the call to war put out by your Archmagos. The detachments they bring with them represent their household guards and retainers.

>>96401410
Ursarax are extremely good at killing stuff like tactical squads, but are poor against elites, the apex detachment that buffs them is kind of insane. Castellax arent very good at doing things, but are a cheap annoying problem unit. If you're looking for another mid sized robot unit Domitars are extremely cool.

>>96401978

Fluffwise, how much do the different magi tinker with their retinues? I know the 30k aesthetic tends to lean towards less baroque compared to 40k, especially with the mechanicum. I'm asking because there are a lot of 3rd parties that sell interesting miniatures, but they clash with the GW versions. But if each magi has their own fiefdom and retinue, that opens a lot of opportunities.

>>96402003

Yeah, mid-sized robots are ok with me. Is there an official model for the arlatax yet?

>>96402003
Does mechanicum have any answer to elite melee marine units? The times I've played against mech my praetorian command squad were mercilessly pounding them unchallenged.

>>96402006
It varies from Magos to Magos. That said one thing to keep in mind is that usually the Magi on campaign are the most militant of their kind.

There are plenty of Magi who either have no personal army at all or a personal army too small to be relevant on even a small scale. Those guys are usually exempt from most musters because bringing them would be pointless. Instead the Magi who go to war are those who for one reason or another have girded themselves for war.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the Horus Heresy is not most musters. There's a lot of interesting narratives you could draw from with a Magos or even a group of Magi who have no experience in war desperately trying to defend themselves with whatever they could throw together because the galaxy is in flames and it is all hands on deck.

Archimandrites, Lacrymaertae and Macroteks both work real well for such a theme with Cybernetica and Malagra being edge cases who would usually have at least have some experience.

The Myrmidax see war as a act of sacred communion with the Omnissiah and the Ordo Reductor are lunatics who worship Entropy. They're always prepared for a fight.

>>96402069
Admech are a shooting army, generally their answer to elite melee units is to shoot them to death.

Failing that Secutors, Domitars or Scyllax can probably do something in melee.

>>96402069
Absolutely none, though you can now retreat from melee, so the strategy should be to either blow up the melee units before they get to you or screen the charge then blow up the melee units.

You kind of always need to bring something that you can use to eradicate big threat units with extreme prejudice. I use myrmidons with darkfire cannons.

>>96401772
>>96401811
yeah daemons being non-physical can literally be beaten by willpower, ritual, symbolism or nullification. The daemon primarch forms are just temporarily manifested and are a fraction of the primarchs total power, we know that in the warp daemon primarchs like Angron 1v8 greater daemons easily.

>>96402020
>Is there an official model for the arlatax yet?
only in ligma. looks like a domitar with a jetpack, different head and big claws. arlatax and domitar will probably get plastic kits that share most of the same sprues, eventually.

>>96402069
The only thing they can do is the outlandish malagara apex detachment thats a unit of 3 acruitor magisterium which will blend basically anything, but its an insane investment

I'm shitting.

Did the thousand sons ever fight alongside the Cthonian Headhunters?

Finally finished painting these things. Took way too long, also because of... a lot of life happening getting in the way. But it does make it a lot easier to see what is what.

>>96402219
Both forces fought during the Siege of Terra at the least.

>>96402219
Sons of Horus did.

>>96402234
Well no fucking shit, sherlock

>>96402209

I hope you're doing it at work.

>>96402257
I'm doing it at your house

>>96402171
So the Castellax and the Thanatar are already pseudo modular with 2 basic sprues and a separate weapon sprue. Guess the Domitar will be the same.

>>96402265

Motherfucker!

Mechanicum or Solar Aux?

>>96402309
Mechanicum is much cheaper and easier to collect than Solar Auxilia.

If cost is no issue and you enjoy painting over 100 infantry models to a presentable standard by all means play aux. If not play mechanicum.

>>96402309
Spam tank or spam robot? (Trick question you can do both as either).

Real question: ranger or wizard?

>>96402231
I thought the plastic markers are still in preorder?

>>96402353
Wouldn't know, these came in the saturnine box.

God saturnine dreadnoughts are just so cool man, the only thing that could make them better is an actual fist so they could literally lend a hand and be even better larger than life big brother types

>>96402582
I actually like the fact that saturnine dreadnoughts have no melee option. Means the leviathan dreadnought gets to keep its identity as the close combat siege dreadnought.

>>96402366
Duh, I forgot 3.0 has it's own markers now.

why she cryin' 'doe?

>play UM
>Have 7 available aux detachments
>Only use 2 of them
Other legions just can't compete

>>96402739
Her local playgroup just hit all-round AV14 vehicles with the rule of 1/1k so now she has to choose between the Kratos and a spartan.
Actually something mine is considered doing btw

>>96402739
Because 3.0 ruined her favorite game

>>96402739
Because she's a tranny. No biological woman would play horus heresy.

>>96402826
Women would play HH if there were xeno rules, every woman I've ever met who played 40k played xenos.

>>96401550

The mental stats are worth it. Thallax and Ursarax can't be joined by mechanicum characters because none are fast enough, and they can't get a nuncio-vox equivalent to clear Routed. They're Cool 12, so they don't give a fuck about most statuses, but you don't want them running every time they get slightly outkilled in a combat or get hit by a flamer, because they're very point-efficient blenders if they can stick in it.

The faction stuff is representing the fact that each Mech force is a combination of the personal retinues and assets of the Magi that make it up, so your main det can mix arcana because that's just where all your techpriests go. How this squares with having no aux detachment for actual Retinue slots is beyond me, but it works lore-wise. Mechanically, it mostly just breaks the Macrocarid and half the Macrotek Apex because Macrotek-keywording your transports prevents anything good from getting in them.

>>96402881
I know one that likes Death Guard's heresy era paint scheme
No she doesn't play

>>96400753
>>96400809

Or the crew compartment doesn't. It's not like spaceships don't have some form of inertia dampening either, so a shrunk down version of that could be at work here.
Although looking at the ol' Land Raider does remind me how the old Mk1 tanks from WW1 never had any suspension either and that never stopped their crews from doing dumb shit like this.
It fucking SHOULD HAVE you understand, but carbon monoxide and wanting to impress the king of england make people do dumb shit that knocks out two thirds of the crew apparently.
Seriously, if anyone hasn't already, the Bovington Tank Museum channel on YT has a really good rundown of what the inside of those tanks were like. No stowage on ammo racks so the slightest crash would fling the cannons shells about the compartment, braining people. The engine is RIGHT there, for anyone to get caught up in and either burn themselves or just get shredded...
I swear it was like a fucking Ork built the damn things.

>>96402069

They can't facecheck them in melee 90% of the time, but they have a lot of units that can chip down a few terminators in shooting for an affordable price. If you want a direct counter to 2+ Save 2W models it's a squad of three or so Domitars, which can be easily boosted to BS5 WS5 and then absolutely eviscerate a termie squad with an ungodly amount of S6 D2 Breaching 5+ shooting because they hit very nearly as hard in volley fire as they do in the shooting phase, they can put out 9 shots per model and then charge with 4 attacks of a similar statline, killing about two Cataphractii per bot on average before thunder hammers can swing.

Mech struggles against EW terminators in particular unless they bring very particular gear, but only the Huscarls, Morlocks and Deathwing can really fuck them up in return, Red Butchers and Deathshroud just don't have the damage and Custodes usually have bad enough invulns that you can just blast 'em.

More specialised solutions beyond Domitars or statusing them into oblivion include "throw Scoria at them" - he will beat any five terminators you care to name and even a full squad of ten thunder hammer justaerin probably take over half the game to bring him down if they don't run first - or "Deploy Brass Scorpion", which can't be locked in combat, will easily be repaired for the scratch damage that thunder hammers can do to it and can spam D3 Breaching 5+ large blasts at them every round because it just backs up slightly, then shoots + volleys. There's no real Mech melee counter to a primarch + elite termie deathstar beyond statuses, the Primarchs add too much beef, but that's not a surprise, that's a unit Marines can't facecheck without a matching primarch either.

>>96402926
>There's no real Mech melee counter to a primarch + elite termie deathstar beyond statuses, the Primarchs add too much beef, but that's not a surprise, that's a unit Marines can't facecheck without a matching primarch either.
Yeah, nothing in the game destroys a paragon deathstar other than another paragon deathstar or a Titan. The best you can hope for is to play around it.

>>96402926
I like that "deploy brass scorpion" is basically the answer to everything. Vehicles? Brass scorpion. Termies? Brass scorpion. Tac spam? Brass scorpion.

I can't wait to try it out

>>96402920
I choose to believe this is how land raiders work, because marines can just lock up their armor to prevent them from bumping around wildly and land raiders aren't using huge 6 pounder shells. Well, tthe land raider achilles could, but a marine won't care about a few shells hitting his power armor, right?

This would also explain why IG can't use the things

>>96403043
>"eat laser, chaos spawn!"
>om nom nom nom nom

>>96403044
>anvillus actually happened because guard kept refusing to wear seat belts and ending up as smears on the walls

>>96401436
stable means it can split fire all it wants at no penalty

>>96403043
>Brass scorpion giving a falchion the gluck gluck 9000

>>96403044
>Imperial Army Land Raiders never
Feels bad, man.

>have an age of darkness box
>want to collect solar auxilia instead now

What should I paint the AoD box as so I can forget about it and move on?

>>96403142
Iron Warriors so they can be <<>> on your shelf.

just saw these, would these be too low tech for militia?

>>96403142
White Scars

>>96403044
Militia used to be able to take land raiders. We'll see if they'll still be able to in 3.0

The real reason IG doesn't get to use land raiders, rhinos and the like is because the production of those tanks was crippled so much during the HH that the Imperium never managed to recover from it.

I bought a few Praetors I like because they look cool and I got them cheap from Chang. I am now left with the dilemma of what legion to play based on Praetors I own.
>Iron Hands
>Sons of Horus
>Death Guard
Leaned towards Iron Hands desu

>>96403165
They look perfect for a low-tech militia imo. Would squish with grav-guns.

fuck legio mortis

>>96403165
I would find it pretty funny if you did actually make one of the signs a peace sign

>>96403187
l*yalist warhounds are for putting down like dogs lmao engine kill yeet
cool stuff though!

>>96403174
The reason IG can't use "marine" vehicles is because GW wants the factions to be separate but equal. SoB, Inquisition, Arbites, etc. all use Rhinos. It's a simple, rugged vehicle. The idea they had to make an even simpler version for the elite SA is butt fucking retarded and exists purely because someone didn't want SA sharing vehicles with marines. Same reason void troopers can't use Dreadclaws, even though Imperial Navy used them. Let alone anything else except armed civilian shuttles.

>>96403189
peace sign modified to look like the chaos star was pencilled in later as the protest against the loyalists garrison grew bloody?

I love it I love it I love it

>>96403208
the graviton cannon looks like my penis

bros the emperor has to die he just does okay???

I fucking love it

>>96403208
It’s pretty neat. What legion?

Demi company done, now aerial assault also done.
What should I go for next

>>96403214
Think you should see a doctor

>>96403214
Gay?

>>96403097

So it does. Never mind, it's the perfect tank. Honestly feels like the Cerberus and the Typhon will be pretty miserable in comparison, they can't be spammed and they give up Giant Killer while the Kratos just rolls around for three-quarters of the cost murdering things, possibly even in groups.

what the fuck was jenetia crole or whoever doing calling the imperial design a gilded lie, by the way?
u can't go saying shit like that not cool not cool at all!

I’m at a crossroads, bros. I have a bunch of assembled marines, but I’m dead in the water as for what legion to do.
>Iron Warriors with militia allies as meatshields
or
>Iron Hands maximizing Medusan Immortals and dreads for a band that survived the fighting on Istvaan

>>96403215
anyone actually have pics of this model ?

>>96403217
Please post the painted model when you can

>>96403254
95% of /hhg/ plays IW

>>96403187
put a knot on that lance

>>96403254
Iron Hands all the way. Iron Warriors is boring and meatshield militia is even more boring but Immortals and Dreads is cool and indomitable pilled

>>96403215
dumb harrowing poster

>>96403254

Iron Hands with militia chumps, combine both. Hopefully Militia keep their shit, cheap artillery and you can grab some field guns to back up your cool immortals.

>>96403266
I only ever see one guy post IW here.
>>96403273
I have some bionic bodies from Tortuga and a bunch of volkite & shield arms in the mail, so I can make some Immortals straight away once they get in.

>>96403298
Not a bad idea. Yokel agri-worlders pressed into service by the horrible bionic monster “good guys.”

>>96403166
>age of darkness box with zero bikes
>white scars

Anon, are you high?

>>96403253
Literally who cares, GW gives so little of a shit about her and her character that they had Karn on shot her on accident

>>96403253
The Imperial Truth is anything but a truth nuke.
It's a False Extermantus.

>>96403264
I primed it and I might start it tonight
First time I ever primed a model same day as when I finished the assembly and the first space marine model that's getting its head primed separately, oh boy.

>>96402141
Yeah the symbolism and ritual is true. It brought up in Know No Fear between Thiel and Gage, more or less it goes:
>"Sir, I have a suggestion."
>"go on."
>"I believe that, if these metaphysical beings are shaped and brought through ritualistic and symbolic means, then using melee weapons, namely bladed or pointed, would be efficient, as they have been used against them in rituals and myths"
>"solid proposition, proceed with that theoretical."

>>96401097
This is objectively true. Everyone saying "Well it could be right because of XYZ bullshit..." is either trying to cheat, stupid, or just being malicious. These types of obvious typos must be identified as such. Just like how Assault Destroyers change type in the gear section.

>>96403322
>Bikes can't score
Pretty sure WS players need some nin bike units.

>>96402069
unironically just thralls and a couple of magi with power fists or equivalent weapons
thralls do not count for combat resolution so they can kill as many as they'd like and the mech player will always win combat bc they'll always have more models to score the static +1
any additional dead marines from the fists will tack onto that
it's very easy to rout them and then just shoot them afterwards

>>96402739
You damn well know it's because of >rape.

>>96403205
I can't wait for the auxilia rapiers to come out in plastic with completely different weapon options other than the quad launcher. Give me mole Mortars like in LI please and thank you.

>>96403305

It's a good opportunity for a militia allied detachment that isn't 5000 levies for once, since you already have great frontliners. Grab some cheap artillery, maybe some cheap planes if any of them don't suck massively, maybe some ogryns.

>>96403454
>"I want to only paint up the age of darkness box (it has zero bikes) and that will be my entire marine army before I move onto solar auxilia"
>"paint it up as white scars bro despite the fact you're not going to take any bikes to make them more white scars-y"

Fuck's wrong with you bro

>>96403540
WS aren't 'Bikes - the legion' you nigger. Fuck I'm so tired of fucking secondaries with their one dimensional understanding of the factions.

>>96403246
They should remove the Hard points limit for bringing LoW with the same faction as your primary detachment. The rule is just there keep freeblades from completely fucking army balance. It should not matter if the player wants to bring 2 Cerberus tanks.

Just make LoW detachments only contain 1 slot and let you take a number of LoW detachments determined by the points limit.

>>96403301
Iron Hands Immortals sound like they're still loads of fun so do them. Now that dreads are fair or even bad taking a whole bunch of them is fine as well.
Space marines+mortal gunline is just so stale.

>>96403522
I imagine they'll get mole mortars and multi-lasers instead of grav cannon and quad HB.

>>96403253
The Imperial design was the idea that "we're all gonna make it bro." That was probably the lie.

The Emperor talked a big game about unification and manifest destiny and mankind's dominance of the galaxy but legitimately did not give a rats ass about any of those things.

All he cared about was the survival of humanity as a species. The entire imperium was built to secure him the time and resources he needed to finish the webway project but when it was finished he was only gonna bring in the people he thought he needed for his post Chaos society. Everyone else would be left out in the cold.

Thats my interpretation at least. Could be wrong because I don't work at GW.

>>96403605
Hopefully Mole Mortars get fun Ammo options. Imagine if you could give them an anti tank option with a special rule to make it always count as hitting rear armour because the bombs are coming from under the tank.

>>96403611
>All he cared about was the survival of humanity as a species.

That has always been kind of the foundation of the setting. In order for humanity to continue its existence, atrocities have to be committed to stop even worse. The situation is so fucked that there are no good choices, and even the most noble individual ends up being forced to pick the lesser of evils.

>>96403640
>anti tank option with a special rule to make it always count as hitting rear armour
With enough strength to glance light tanks on a lucky roll.

>>96403648
Eh, I see the foundation of the setting to be social decay.

At first people were forced to compromise their ideals for the good of future humanity. But ten thousand years of such compromises spread across a million worlds means by the time we get to 40k people have completely forgotten why they even do things half the time.

Like a room on Terra filled wall to wall with calls for assistance no ones ever going to read because the office that used to process them was moved who knows where during the age of apostasy but no one knows how inform the wider bureaucracy of the problem so you have generations of clerks shovelling urgent aid requests into a furnace to stay warm while billions die preventable deaths.

Grim shit like that is why I got into the setting.

>>96403701
That too. There's room for anything grim and dark enough to be foundational to the setting.

This thread makes it sound like NL players are gay. If I play against a NL player, will he bend me over and rape me if I win in a sort of fag spergout? I don't want to get buttraped

>A new edition for Horus Heresy is out
>Re-rolls gone
>Lethality largely reduced
>Different weapons have different niches, there's no clear best all round option most of the time
Did the HH rules team actually accomplish what was promised but not delivered with 10th edition 40k?

>>96403674
That is how they'd balance it yeah, I'd want something like this.

Range 18", FP2 RS8 AP4 D2 Ordinance (range), Subterranean.

Balance around hitting AV10-11 and accept its gonna bounce off of actually well armoured tanks.

>>96403522
>Arlatax
>Whirlwinds
>Better looking sicaran omega
There's so many units in Ligma that make me hopeful we'll see those plastic models for HH too.

>>96403528
Fair enough. I think I actually have some Ogryns in the shame heap from a scrapped IG project.
>>96403568
Yeah, Immortals look fun and I love their lore. I also have a Leviathan and a Contemptor, as well as a Castraferrum dread. Guess the decision was made before I even posted lol.

>>96403701
Sounds grimderp. If there's one thing I like about modern 40k, it's the fact they're doing away with that and having the 40k Imperium become more reasonable and heroic. This has always been a setting about humanity stomping xenos and chaos into the dirt, after all.

>>96403767
Yeah LIgma has a lot of cool shit in it for everyone. I'm in love with the LI baneblade chassis.

>>96403809
>volcano cannon fires a blue volkite beam

>>96403754
You forgot
>Made games shorter, which combined with lessened lethality means you can't remove a tac blob off an objective before the game ends unless you hard counter them

>>96403165
Just wait for The Damned, ffs

>>96403830
HH games already were shorter during 2.0 from my experience. Plenty of times that the HH group arrived at the LGS after the 40k group, set up, played their game, packed their stuff and was leaving as the 40k players were still resolving the last turns of their game.

>>96401629
>Greco-Roman Legion
>femboys
checks out

>>96403837
>just wait for a project with no set release date

Which Primarchs implemented TND when they took control of their legions? I'm guessing Curze, Morty, Perturabo did.

>>96403979
fine, I'll bite. What's TND?

>>96403984
Tactical Night (Lord) Decapitation.

>>96403701
It works if you do it clever, but that's like everything in general.
To be Grimdark, you need to know how much dark you can pull before it becomes cringe. My idea is:
>Planet sends distress signal but the chapter that came in is excessively callous so it recieves too much damage and lost to be useful for decades
Or
>Planet's rebellion goes unnoticed for almost a millenia because the person meant to file the reports was busy with other paperwork
Or my favorite
>My attempt to save lives in the in a lost planet ends up causing my ship to lose manpower due to the rescued people having cultists within them.

>>96403786
If anything, modern 40k is getting MORE Grimderp right now, somehow

>>96403984
>>96403701
>Eh, I see the foundation of the setting to be social decay
No I'm pretty sure it's war, the social decay is just a consequence of the constant war.

>>96403984
It's where the Primarch is allowed to sleep with the Marine's new wife on the wedding night

>>96403181
well, the iron hands and death guard praetors both seem like good bases to convert consuls from. the sons of horus praetor is a great model, but not quite sure what you'd use him for if not a SoH character

>>96404124
Oh, then Space Wolves, Iron Warriors, Emperor's Children and Word Bearers.

>>96404130
Yeah, I’m going to keep the IH praetor as-is, make the DG one into a Siege Breaker and probably just paint up the SoH one in his legion colors just because I like the model.

>>96404139
>implying Emperor's children fuck women
>or word bearers fuck non-beasts of burden

>>96403984
Total
Nigger
Death

We out here finishing trim. Once I get through the guys I'm trying to decide between painting both my medusa or a Kharibdyss. Just need a little shake up before tackling ten more breachers and sixty MK VI

Did some oils and have varnished. To what level of detail should I carry this on? Bearing in mind I'm going to have to paint 70-90~ more of these minimum, so I'm wondering how much highlighting I should bother with for these dudes as they're my initial test squad.

>>96404009
> modern 40k is getting MORE Grimderp right now, somehow

How?? You have superheroic primarchs running around fixing things and having slapfights with other characters where no one fucking dies. You have cawl and his primaris marines undoing the '"forget the power of science and technology, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned" part of the foundational intro text. It's turning 40k into a generic science fantasy universe where "da good guys win."

99% of the time people even use the word "grimderp" nowadays they're not even describing the bad writing it originally described, they're just complaining about servitors or 40k era imperial navy ships using slaves manually loading massive macrocannons using pulley systems and chains while singing sea shanties and being whipped by their overseers, which is thematic and badass and gets across the themes of societal degradation. Is that what you're complaining about, anon? Because anyone who does needs to be beaten to death with hammers.

>>96404186
Normie legion.

>>96404194
>"da good guys win."
Chaos has been fated to win for decades though?

>>96404194
Was this post made by a time traveler from 2017

>>96404215
Until 8th edition, yes. Now they've been inching ever closer to the Imperium "improving" for the past eight years. It won't see fruition until every loyalist primarch has returned, of course, but by then the full capeshittification of 40k will be complete. There will be no more encouragement of Your Dudes. No more grimdark. Only Big Named Space Marines stomping on skulls and fighting other Big Named Monster Space Marines. Forever. Because the 40k fandom is fucking retarded enough to soiface over fucking primarchs that they will never stop.

The future is grim.

>>96404211
I like what I like

>>96403754
lethality has definitely not diminished
solar aux and mech can reduce armies to rubble in a single turn

>>96404268
>solar aux can reduce armies to rubble in a single turn
>malcador infernus needs to stay still to get AP3
>on a flamer tank that people can just run away from so it doesn't get to shoot anything if it stays still

KEK

LMFAO

>>96404253
The latest fluff is Black Legion smashing Sangua Terra's face in, the Grey Knight's barely containing Angron on Armageddon, and the Black Templars being teamkilling fucktards. You have no idea what you are talking about with current 40k.

>>96404194
>You have superheroic primarchs running around fixing things and having slapfights with other characters where no one fucking dies
Wigh the ammount of named characters that die in Dark Imperium, I doubt it.
Even Lion is forced to kill one of his own sons in his own book, and mercy kill tortured abominations that used to be Blood Angel successors
You wanna know why i'm saying it's getting more Grimderp?
Because somehow, someway, every Eldar decided to cut ties with the Ynnari, for no reason other than because they are, of all factions, suddenly nihilists out of bloody nowhere.

>>96404274
>the malcador infernus is the only weapon solar aux have access to

>>96404215
No, Tyranids

>>96404275
>sangua terra
A literally who planet that was written to be conquered by the black legion. Get back to me when they conquer something of significance and don't come across as winning the battle but losing the war like with Cadia
>Grey Knights barely containing angron on Armageddon
He was still contained. They barely managed to pull it off in the 1st war for armageddon, too, didn't amount to anything beyond cool background fluff there, too. Same guy jobbed to Grey Knights twice. In the same place. Let that sink in.
>black templars being teamkilling fucktards
Yeah I liked this, but tbf they've always been teamkilling fucktard

>you have no idea what you are talking about
No, you are blinded by your love of gay ass fucking primarchs that make the galaxy feel smaller and make 40k into a fucking superhero setting focused on Extra Large Space Marines that everyone spergs out about. The worst but most annoyingly popular (amongst SECONDARIES) element of HH got ported into 40k for easy cash.

TS Pyrae Despoiler sgt
Thunder Hammer or Power Fist?

>>96404322
Force Sword you dingdong they're psykers

>>96404194
>>96404253
You're out of touch with 40k and just going on vibes out of social media, memes, and shallow codexes.

40k is as grimdark as ever, ever grimderp sometimes.

>>96404317
>The worst but most annoyingly popular (amongst SECONDARIES) element of HH got ported into 40k for easy cash

If secondaries are propping up primarchs in 40k and are the cause of GW bringing into 40k...doesn't it make more sense to kill the secondaries than to complain about the primarchs on 4chan?
...

>>96404333
>he doesn't know about 3.0 Pyrae initiativemaxxing

Velataris charing out of a Stormlord, if I'm gonna bring one anyway?

>>96404350
>he's a powergamer

>>96404317
Named characters have been a staple of 40k since 2e, and fans have always wanted primarchs. People were doing their own conversions for years before FW released the HH game.

You whining is just cope because you're out of touch with the actual fanbase of this setting. You are the secondary. Double so in this general.

>>96404268
I'm having serious doubts you play the game anon. You do know about the new LOS rules, right?

>>96404277
>Wigh the ammount of named characters that die in Dark Imperium, I doubt it.

Name them. Name the ones with models who died. Go on.

>Even Lion is forced to kill one of his own sons in his own book, and mercy kill tortured abominations that used to be Blood Angel successors

Neat, standard 40k fare. That's nice.

>Because somehow, someway, every Eldar decided to cut ties with the Ynnari, for no reason other than because they are, of all factions, suddenly nihilists out of bloody nowhere.

GOOD. Ynnari are a remnant of when GW was toying with the idea of killing Slaanesh, and once they noticed that Slaanesh still sold, they reversed that decision quickly. Ynnari's entire faction identity is based around the idea of killing slaanesh with Ynnead early. And being humanity's bitch to do that, which is lame. Eldar should be assholes and craftworlders in particular should sometimes be allies of convenience, not buddies with the Imperium. This is 40k, not Fantasy Battles.

>>96404378
>20-man despoiler interdiction cadre that has to survive a whole shooting + melee phase
>powergaming
Pick one weeaboo faggot

>>96404283
Okay, tell me how Solar Aux can delete armies on the first turn. Because I'm looking at them right now and it seems to me that unless you're a faggot who spams over 1000 points of tanks in a 3000 point game (which is gay), they're now about even with marines, whereas in 2.0 they fucking SUCKED SHIT against marines

Would this be considered a gooner model? For some reason Wargame Exclusive seems to be the only third party site with mech models, but they're all tits out. The worst part is that they look great

>>96404424
>having over a third of your list in the combined arms army being combined arms is gay
What does 2000 points of Aux infantry even look like? That's gotta be like 400 fucking models

>>96404431
Greenstuff her a bra or shave the nipples off and paint it latex. You'll be fine

>>96404431
Grotesque, in all the worst ways

>>96404268
>Mechanicum can't reliably kill a spartan in a single turn
Whatever game you have been playing is not 3.0

>>96404424
bro you need to go to a hospital, like right now
there's something wrong with your brain, seriously wrong with it. I think you have a tumor pushing on your prefrontal cortex

>>96404277
>every Eldar decided to cut ties with the Ynnari, for no reason other than because they are, of all factions, suddenly nihilists out of bloody nowhere.

You mean the eldar cut ties with the weird doomsday cult that keeps saying it's going to manifest a prophesied god of death who will only appear when every single eldar dies "without us all dying, trust us guys?" The one that was inviting the fucking dark eldar into its ranks and serving the Imperium's interests, even when Imperial commanders shot at them because "DIE XENOS DIE?"

Say it ain't so!

>>96404397
post a photo of a game right now

>>96404189
Anyone?

>>96404461
>No argument or examples

Oh so you're just shitposting.

>>96404400
You've failed.

>>96404436
I just put together a 3k list with less than 1000 points of combined vehicles (not including walkers), anon. It comes out to only 137 infantry models, anon. About average for Solar Aux

>>96404451
that's the point

>>96404482
>the combined arms army shouldn't b-be allowed to take any t-tanks because my sp-space marines can't beat them!
you should go do something else

>>96404424
Bro you can get like 3 basilisks, and like 3 plasma russ tanks for less then 1000 points its not that fucking hard to make a stupid amount of pie plates in the game.

>>96404490
How many PPM are aux then? Or can they take a bunch of special weapons to inflate the squad cost?

>>96404424
>it's the anti tank fag again

>>96404500
bask bitch las section squads are 5ppm.

>>96404477
Here you go. Now it's your turn.

>>96404496
This is not about number of tanks. Post examples of the weapon profiles and unit rules that are so powerful they delete entire armies in a single turn.

>>96404496
See >>96404490.

I can take a leman russ vanquisher, 3 demolisher dracosans and malcador infernus (for killing marines on objectives) for less than 1000 points. I can then add laser destroyer rapiers and 3 aethons with melta lances and hunter killer arrays to provide extra anti-armor firepower. Add 9 charonite ogryns for more marine killing. Give 40 velataris power axes for more marine killing. Add 60 lasrifle auxilia for seasoning. Voila. See how hard that was? You don't have to tank spam to make a halfway decent solar aux list, anon.

>>96404505
>special weapons
>solar auxilia

Secondary much?

>>96404533
GAH FUCK I MEANT TO REPLY TO >>96404500

>>96404399
>Name them. Name the ones with models who died. Go on
You realized the ammount of character with models that have died prior to Gathering Storm wasn't high, right?
>GOOD. Ynnari are a remnant of when GW was toying with the idea of killing Slaanesh, and once they noticed that Slaanesh still sold, they reversed that decision quickly.
Weird I thought everyone was going about how Slaanesh and EC had no value in 40k? Or is that just a thing /40kg/? Not that it matters where it comes from, it's retarded anyways
>Eldar should be assholes and craftworlders in particular should sometimes be allies of convenience, not buddies with the Imperium. This is 40k, not Fantasy Battles.
The Elves of Fantasy are literally cunts to humanity, especially the Wood Elves.

>>96404509
:^)

>>96404477
Anon delivered >>96404509 so where are your models?

>>96404520
demolisher cannon :)

>>96404431
Those tits look like they're made of silicone.
Fitting in the strangest way.

>>96404533
Idk bro I've never played against an Aux army. How is homie only getting 130 infantry in his 2000 points left over then? I mean Vox is worth what, two dudes? And I take it they can't take HWTs. That's still only like 700 points.

Next TQ should be your primary faction/sub-faction

>>96404599
We're not doing your gay discord tranny poll

>>96404560
Demolisher cannons are good, but how are those a threat to 2+ save models exactly?

>>96404533
brother, you're the secondary here

>>96404551
>Weird I thought everyone was going about how Slaanesh and EC had no value in 40k?

Emperor's Children got a new 40k model line this year, anon. What the fuck?

>The Elves of Fantasy are literally cunts to humanity, especially the Wood Elves.

The wood elves and dark elves, yes, but the high elves are allies of the Empire. They don't really get along that well, but they're formal allies, which is extremely different from 40k where the Imperium wants to exterminate the Eldar and even craftworld Eldar will kill human civilians without a second thought, but they both have bigger fish to fry so they'll occasionally team up against a bigger threat.

>>96404629
I was responding to >>96404500, who posted:

>can they take a bunch of special weapons to inflate the squad cost

Which no aux squads can do, because they're not 40k IG. I insinuated that he was therefore a HH secondary because he thinks lasrifle sections might be able to take special weapons like 40k guard squads. Hope this clears things up.

>consider white scars and ultramarines but they're not grimdark enough, they don't give "jam out to spooky dungeon synth while staring at creepy artwork of them" vibes

What legions do this?

>>96404648
but you can take infantry squads with special weapons

>>96404667
Are those vets? Sounds fucking awesome

>>96404621
executor plasma cannon
should I post my paypal so you can start paying me for spoonfeeding all this obvious information?

>>96404667
>companion sections

Ah. Good luck modeling those with how fiddly and monopose the plastic solar aux models are, boss.

>>96404685
I literally just posted my old conversions
are you blind?

>>96404685
>t. hobbylet

>>96404665
Pretty much all traitor legions can give off those vibes. As for loyalists...ehhhhhh. Contrary to what you said, White Scars can pull it off if you lean into them taking skull trophies etc, while Iron Hands and Dark Angels very easily can. Raven Guard and Space Wolves *can,* I guess, and Blood Angels kind of can but are very paladin-like and not all that vampire-like compared to Night Lords. Otherwise...yeah, I'm not sure, boss.

>>96404695
Tbh I didn't enlarge the image and thought it was just a bog standard volkite storm section.

>>96404685
I'm gonna probably convert 40k vet guardsmen to Spireguard if I ever do aux

>>96404684
I asked how demolisher cannons are a threat to 2+ save models, and you start talking about a different weapon. I'm not paying you for moving goalposts.

>>96404739
>demolisher cannons are the only weapon solar auxilia has access to
you really need to work on your object permanence brother
maybe that's why 40k players like you love clear terrrain

>>96404708
>Blood Angels kind of can but are very paladin-like and not all that vampire-like compared to Night Lords
Preposterous. Wannabe Draculas vs. real deal vampires.

>>96404748
Why do 40k players love boards that make zero fucking narrative sense and look like dogshit? If this was my first ever exposure to 40k as a game, I'd write it off as some shitty board game and never touch it.

>>96404758
because GW push competitive as the primary game mode and the people who only care about their ELO are jackasses

>>96404749
>wannabe draculas vs golden space knights who save civilians and sometimes drink a bit of blood and eat a bit of flesh

Night Lords are Vlad the Impaler, Blood Angels are Twilight vampires cosplaying as knights. It's not till you get to 40k and Blood Angel successor chapters like the Charnel Guard and Flesh Eaters that the REAL proper nosferatu vampires start to emerge, they're absent from HH though.

>>96404772
Is violence the only method by which to fix this? To make things right once more? I do not wish to resort to such barbarism against my fellow man.

>>96404748
It is you who needs their short term memory checked. I wasn't the one who only answered with demolisher cannons to the question of which weaponS make SA delete entire armies in one turn.
Either you should have brought up more weapons, or explain why it is only demolisher cannons that allow SA to delete everything, you fucking illiterate troglodyte.

I knew this journal will be thin, but when put in context of 2.0 books I really feel penetrated in the anus by a nice big long dildo, no lube. Iirc I payed Siege of Cthonia 45 euros, this stupid journal was 16. GW making profit at it's finest. Hope that at least we will be able to port the missions to 2.0.

>>96404799
>Buying 3.0 rulebooks when you still play 2.0

Already knew only beaten housewives with stockholm syndrom stuck to the worst HH edition ever, but still giving GW your money is an impressive new low.

>>96404758
40k has been pandering to the ITC crowd since 8th editions focus on simplifying the game so even the smoothest of brains can't possibly fuck it up. My conspiracy theory is Warmahordes was THE go to elitist competitive tabletop war game, and when that fucking imploded all those fags jumped ship to Warhammer somewhere between 6th and 7th.

>>96404796
mad

>>96404739
NTA imo though for SA there are really 3 weapons you wanna bring on your russ
Plasma which is that sweet large blast Breaching 4+
Battle canon which is great now
Or the demo canon.

>>96404776
If you think 30k BA didn't had a dark side, you need to read more. Where do you think the Flesh Eaters et all came from?
>>96404822
>focus on simplifying the game
This is false. 8e+ 40k has been just as complex or more than any other edition. 9e was actually the most crunchy edition ever.
The issue is that they turned the game into a multilayered rules + MTG gotcha combo game. Which sucks for those that want either a more old school 40k experience or a more grounded wargame.

>>96404864
>This is false. 8e+ 40k has been just as complex or more than any other edition.
spoken like some one who has never fucking played before 8th ed.

>>96404864
they made the game more convoluted, not complex
its gameplay is streamlined, no unit types, no vehicle rules, no downsides
BUT they just tack on a million other gotcha rules like you said which gives the illusion of depth but winds up just being out of sequence actions or rerolls

>>96404864
>If you think 30k BA didn't had a dark side, you need to read more. Where do you think the Flesh Eaters et all came from?

Yes, I'm aware of them being the revenant legion and having a few dark moments, but in the HH proper they're not all that dark. And Flesh Eaters are a third founding chapter, so they didn't emerge from the legion itself but rather after the codex iteration of the chapter had been thoroughly tainted by the Red Thirst in the absence of their primarch, not to mention the Black Rage being a thing.

>>96404864
>Which sucks for those that want either a more old school 40k experience or a more grounded wargame.

Is it possible to force GW to turn 40k into a more grounded wargame? Astroturf it to the point are emailing GW nonstop to do that? Get someone who wants to make it a more grounded wargame hired at GW? Convince some rich guy to fund a scathing documentary that pushes that point down people's throats and release it in American and British theaters?

>>96404889
Wrong
>>96404893
Convoluted, complex, same thing.
pre 8e and the HH does something similar with lots of clunky special rules and exceptions.
None are depth rulesets and never have been.
Streamlining is about avoiding unnecesary stuff while keeping the same outcomes, and by that metric 40k was only streamlined with during very early 3e.

AT or KT are much more examples of GW rulesets with depth that rewards smart actions by the players in game. Not just listbuilding.

>>96404922
>Is it possible to force GW to turn 40k into a more grounded wargame?
No, the troonament crowd is too profitable. Each time they drop a point adjustment or new codex all the comp players drop their current army and buy a completely new one.

>>96404922
Well that's rather simple, anon.

>enter politics, either via being a good local bureaucrat who runs for congress or being a war hero or celebrity of some sort
>run for president
>get elected
>on day one, start a live broadcast from the oval office where you threaten to nuke the UK unless GW promises to make 40k a grounded wargame and not a shitty ITC boardgame, congress be damned
>lose all your approval ratings, you'll certainly get impeached, but keep your finger on the metaphorical nuke button long enough for GW to follow your demands. This was the goal of becoming president at all, either way
>once out of office, play now-kino 40k and explain to people who like the new ruleset that getting it made was the entire idea behind your presidency
>the world may not forgive you, but neckbeards will

>>96404922
No, fans need to create their own rules. And not everybody will agree about the best ideas.
2nd ed fans have been the only ones successful so far at keeping alive an old edition with their Battle Bible.

It's not trivial at all.

>>96404953
>>96404936
>>96404864
>Multiple sage posts
This guy is trying to bait dont fall for it.

>>96404953
>fans need to create their own rules

It never works. No one fucking plays fan created rules. Hell, basically no one plays using the 2nd ed battle bible. I'm sure asking 10th edition 40k players to play 2nd ed would just result in them lynching you and using your bones to create L-shaped terrain for the next tournament

>>96404953
Brother, /hhg/ couldn't even agree on how Brutal should be fixed. There's no world in which 40k fan rules can become a reality.

>>96404961
No, i'm just retarded and left the sage on after replying to an idiot in other thread, sorry

>>96404983
Get ready, anon. 3.0 is about to get BTFO'd

>>96404972
>no one plays using the 2nd ed battle bible
Not true, there's 2e FB groups out there that prove that it's being played.

>>96405003
>Guys he is totally gonna come out with it i swear
Yeah ok, he made a big fucking stink over the 2.0 legacies which were shit btw, and said he was totally gonna fix them, but then like never did.

>>96405010
Okay, but there's no one playing it in local game stores and clubs. Not in America, anyway, not sure about Europeans and how things go there, but 90% of gaming here is facilitated through game stores

>>96404799
It's a common problem with HH releases.

>>96405034
Here is the opposite. Most people play at home or at private clubs, at least in my experience.

>>96404799
>nice big long dildo
>nice

Way to reveal you like getting raped up the ass, anon.

>>96405003
Too bad he's never gonna deliver, shitting on it would have been so much fun

>>96405076
Yes. That's why I bought this journal

Need some opinions. While Luna Wolves are indeed white with black trim, sometimes we see art of a high ranking officer with gold instead of black. When would you guys use gold? I was thinking definitely for a praetor, but what about centurion or champion? I certainly wouldnt do it for just any special unit like an optae or librarian.

>>96405210
I'd give the golden trim to anyone wearing artificer armor desu

>>96405210
Yeah, HQs only pretty much. Even Vets wouldn't get it, and Justaerin/Reavers have their own thing.

>>96405226
Artificer armor is gone in 3.0, isnt it?

What's the best solution to the Thallax scoring problem?

>>96405360
To accept that mech is intentionally bad at scoring against line blobs and adapt around it, like taking krios for total tactical death

>>96405377
Krios? Not Thanatar?

>>96405356
No? HQ still got their 2+ armour save.

If you mean random sergeants who are literal nobodies being allowed artificer armour then yes. It never made sense anyway and enabled some of the worst rules interactions.

>>96405360
Learn to use comptroller. It's basically the same thing.

>>96405406
but Magi can't keep up with Thallax

>>96405273
Woukd you give a centurion gokd? Thats one Im really on the fence about.

Speaking of Justaerin, Id like an opinion related to them as well.
So Im starting with a Saturnine box. Im doing 3 of my saturnine terminators with double plasma. The other 3 Im doing with disintegrator and fist with shredder. The double plasma squad will have the standard Luna Wolves color scheme (as will the dreadnought), but as far as my praetor and the guys with fists, would it be on brand to paint them in the Justaerin scheme? I know theyre actually in cataphractii, but theyre supposed to be the terminator elite, and they seem to fit a similair role. Im honestly kind of on the fence about this as well.

>>96405417
Thallax can slow down for magi and fit inside a triaros.

>>96405399
Ah, I see. Sorry, Im new to HH altogether, and while Im trying to learn about 3e, hearing people reference 2e can get me turned around sometimes.

>literally in the top 5 of most influencial people in the entire Heresy
>doesnt have a tabletop model
criminal

>>96405489
many such cases

>>96405485
A lot of what used to be listed as wargear is now part of a model's statline. It is more streamlined and easy, as you no longer have to look up what a refractor field does for example. But it does remove a lot of flavour and fluff from the game sadly.

Jump packs are another example, they're no longer listed as wargear but instead models with them have a movement value of 12 and the deep strike special rule.

>>96405442
I wouldn't. They're like a mid-range fire support platform. The Justaerin are a specific formation - the tip of the spear.

>>96403187
ditto

>>96405510
SO fucking true.

>>96405489
>>96405510
Is Fabius even mentioned once in the black books?

>>96405489
Dantioch only fought 2 battles in the war, and he died in the second one.
>>96405510
My man Moonman kicked ass all the way from Issvan 5 to Terra. Not comparable, and it's a shame that he was forgotten for Meduson

>>96405489
Who?

>>96405523
On the plus side, terminator units now can be fielded with other marks, like Ebon Keshig

>>96405639
Not really, cataphractii still does something different than tartaros. Tartaros is a 10 pts upgrade for a terminator praetor for example.

how the fuck could inductii could be a substantial part of the legions when the process to create a space marine takes at least two decades

>>96405510
My shields and volkites just got in from etsy, as did some bionic bodies a few days ago. It’s Immortal time. Might go with Morragul, but I like Kaargul’s truly psychotic autism.

>>96405659
It takes two decades to create a space marine in 40k, because of all the stringent testing and indoctrination. During the HH they didn't bother with all that and could turn kids into marines within a year.

>>96405659
Blood Angels made companies of inductii in a couple weeks with refugees on Beta Garmon.

>>96405677
fair enough, they should be cc and bs3 tho

>>96405677
oh yeah, it's Raptors time

>>96405685
this is both hilarious and beyond horrific, a full company's worth of roi'd up teenager rabid 2.5m tall monsters raised in weeks... fuckn hell

>>96405693
>Sneaks a little Chaos jizz into your Raptors program
Oopsie woopsie, did I cause a little fucky wucky

>>96405704
Future Flesh Tearers

>>96405704
anon look up "inductii"

>>96405706
ALfags strive to be the most sickeningly reddit legion fanbase possible

>>96405725
way worse.
jesus those things reproduce faster than xenomorphs

>>96405704
Yeah they overran the veteran traitors to get thousands of civilians and survivors onto escape shuttles.
Ligma and Titanicus had some baller lore.

>>96405733
The fuck are you talking about

>>96405523
>It is more streamlined and easy
>approx 500 entirely separate unit profiles because all 30 hq choices have to have 5 different profiles each
>more streamline than a single entry saying what a jumppack does

GW is schizophrenic. They split unit profiles because explaining what a jumppack does is too complicated, but they changed (most, but not all) wargear to be army wide wargear lists instead of listing them per unit entry.

Like what the fuck do they actually want?

>>96405779
how the fuck do a company of space marine left stranded in civilian habs with no ressources or aid manage to make up space marines over the course of weeks ? when it's been a staple of warhammer that the procedure require time, equipment and experts.
how are BA not the largest chapter/legion when they can pull that shit off ?

>>96405386

The Krios costs half as much and has a much better gun for this - AP3 base, plus a status. The main advantage of the Thanatar is that it has Barrage and is much tougher, neither of which matter much against tac blobs in the open.

>>96405360

What problem? I'd like jump packs for my Magi too, but until we get them, Thallax simply aren't for scoring, unless you just want an opportunistic couple of points on T1 and don't want to daisy-chain the squad back towards your DZ to temporarily attach a magos. The upside of Comptroller is that we can score with basically whatever the fuck we like, so once you do get that triple Domitar squad with a magos attached onto the point they're sure as hell not getting it off again with a few assault marines.

did *nductii filth likely outnumber properly fabricated space marines by the end of the heresy?

grim AND dark.

>>96405804
>HQ have two unit entries at most
>One for on foot or jump pack, one for cataphractii or tartaros terminator armour
>500 unit entries

You're either over reacting, or a confused tourist from 40kg who has never seen the rules.

>>96405824
Well, it varies by legion. The ones that suffered the greatest losses were the likeliest to have a greater percentage of inductii. So the shattered legions, TS, and probably IW too

>>96405838
>hasn't looked at the legacy doc that is just 50% hq unit entries
>hq entry section is literally longer than the entire list of units in the actual liber rules

With how fucked 3.0 is they may as well canonize Laurie Golding’s Malibron as a lost primarch because fuck it, things can only get worse from here, add a new legion and spin everything on its head

>>96405819
They're just that good.

Trying to figure out a loadout for my Comtemptor. With them being easier to take out, it seems safer to go long-range or full melee and just hope it gets in. I previously used dual Kheres for style, but i am worried about getting it that close to enemies for a only okay seeming guns.

How are you all running your contemptors?

>>96405824
By the end of the heresy everyone was a veteran. It doesn't matter how they became a space marine.

>>96405616
yeah

are the unit categories for rampagers and red butchers correct in the 3.0 books as we have them or did gw shit the bed in mixing the two up?

terminators as elites and power armour elites as heavy assault? what?

>>96405927
They are correct, that's just how 3.0 roles work

>>96405927
I have zero idea why they used actual model silhouettes for the force org slots when they KNOW that they don't even align for a single army, let alone other factions, and some aren't even that clear to begin with.

genuine direct downgrade to simple and easily recognisable shapes.

>>96406015
>genuine direct downgrade
You will notice this is a running theme

\hhg\ is my theory crafting here off or do vet breachers look really fucking good for World eaters?
Just a fat 10 man blob of them, giving them all a power weapon of some sort, and then like 4 las cutters and then just throwing them at things?

I feel like they would be a prime unit to use the special reaction for WE, EW for a turn and charge in the shooting phase.

>>96406051
Dew it

>>96406051

World Eaters in general look like they make a lot of things pop off, but those guys especially, yeah. I'm making an Istvaan 3 Survivors force as a fluffy list, and if Morturg had had more than seven world eaters with him I'd be doing exactly that. As is I have Paragon Champ + Six Praetorians in a Land Raider and I'm still considering going for termie champ + six vet breachers instead for lascutters and Vanguard.

>>96406051
Actually, point about lascutters specifically - due to how attack modifiers work now, do WE get 2 attacks on the charge with lascutters?

>>96406075

I don't believe they do, since the wording of the WE bonus is "modify their Attacks Characteristic" and the weapon replaces your attacks characteristic with 1, regardless of what it is after buffs.

>>96406075
no they would not reason being is that the WE special rule increases the MODELS attack characteristic by 1.
The las cutter weapon has an attack modifier of 1. so it always is set to 1 no matter what.

>>96406087
>>96406088
oh missed the wording change, makes sense

>>96406075
>Some modifiers may simply 'set' the Current Value of a Characteristic to a specific value instead of modifying the Current Value or Base Value. Such modifiers override all other modifiers and are always applied last, replacing the modified Current Value with the set value.

>>96406051
sounds like triarii stuff, i wish i had something as cool as a BA player.
a posses of jump pack vets doesn't have the same feel as a bunch of really angry dudes in testudo

>>96406122
Eh could be worse, could play DA, we got like fuck all going on for us. Really hope we get some love in the journals because right now DA feels like shit.

>>96404189
That is all you need for line T3 bodies, you have done more than most my guy!

>>96404667
>companion sections.
Hate em, hate em so much actually.

Aux should get special weapons sure but not as a fucking retinue choice. Ive hated them from the beginning and will continue to do so.

>>96406355
does it actually matter what force org slot they're in?
this seems like a strange complaint

I made some headcanon stuff for the Luna Wolves poster but I don't want to drop it in a dying thread

>>96406380
>>96406380
>>96406380
4chan thought my post was spam so make of that what you will

>>96405819
Before Sanguinius died you could give almost anything sanguinius blood and it would become a space marine. Even knuckle dragging mutants dying of super cancer would get a progenitoid and a sippy of the angels blood and then turn into angelic figures in a week.

The only reason they were not the biggest legion is because the red thirst made sanguinius keep a hard cap on their numbers so he could keep them under control.