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>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

TQ: Post your decks, ask for advice, talk about what you like in them, etc.

after years of seeing all this shit I think he was right. there is nothing they can do to make me stop playing. no broken mechanic, no art, no meme they print will make me not like the game itself. and that, MaNo, is a challenge. maybe one day I'll even feel nostalgic for companion

>>96454136
Is this a bad thing? What is the context you want us to extract from seeing this image?

>>96454136
blade is almost alright, but that expression is ass.

>>96454136
Blacula gets a pass.

Hello, my love, welcome to guided edh affirmations
Repeat these affirmations each morning for 21 days and you will notice a change in your mood and health of this thread

I do not need to respond to schizo posts
>I do not need to respond to schizo posts

I will post decklists when asked, it is a compliment
>I will post decklists when asked, it is a compliment

I will not try to dunk on others if I don't understand how my deck works
>I will not try to dunk on others if I don't understand how my deck works

I do not need to make up stories about games that didn't happen to fit a narrative
>I do not need to make up stories about games that didn't happen to fit a narrative

I am a competent player who does not need to samefag to prove it
>I am a competent player who does not need to samefag to prove it

I will not try to boost my self-esteem by bringing up cEDH in discussion about casual decks
>I will not try to boost my self-esteem by bringing up cEDH in discussion about casual decks

I will not feel injured if my deck does not stack up to cEDH decks
>I will not feel injured if my deck does not stack up to cEDH decks

I do not need to prove my MTG knowledge by bringing up card interactions that are not related to the discussion
>I do not need to prove my MTG knowledge by bringing up card interactions that are not related to the discussion

I show respect towards myself and other posters when I fully read a post/post chain before replying
>I show respect towards myself and other posters when I fully read a post/post chain before replying

I will recognize that the posters in this thread are more dedicated than 90% of the player base and as such I am sweaty
>I will recognize that the posters in this thread are more dedicated than 90% of the player base and as such I am sweaty
I will have fun adapting to new strategies, even if they invalidate my boomer mentalities
>I will have fun adapting to new strategies, even if they invalidate my boomer mentalities

>>96453251
Yeah him or Yawgmoth, i can't really decide.

>>96454223
fag

>>96454223
I WILL play in your casual pod with my $8000 mono blue deck and you WILL sit there patiently as I play solitaire

>>96454429
Nothing can keep me at a table I don't want to be at, save death. And you may wield it but you are NOT death. You cannot hold me down.

I love this card. It punishes a lot of common play patterns (play mana rocks to ramp into big artifacts, play a support blocker to not get your voltron commander edicted, etc).

>>96454499
Yawn. Anyway, you had anything else to play, anon? And yes, I have more responses, because I always have it.

But being real, I don't like wipes that leave things in graveyards anymore, even if I get the choice of what goes there, too much recursion happens nowadays. Also, one of my fellow players has an aristocrat deck, so this helps him. Do you like helping aristocrat decks, anon?

>>96454556
Not playing a boardwipe against an aristrocat deck in fear of losing a lot of life is stupid. Things only get worse and they get worse fast. So the sooner you act, the better. If it came to the point where a boardwipe would kill you, you almost lost the game anyway.

I love big ass titties
Post decks with big ass titties

>>96454556
Sounds like you don't play enough grave hate.

>>96454573
Like I said, it doesn't matter. Anything else anon? No? How unfortunate...

>>96454719
tap

>>96454631
Sorry, but Wizards Of Tight Chests said you're getting all speedbumps.

>>96454777
Toph my beloved, our time is nigh... The lucky 7 trips have spoken...

>>96454856
>>96454777
Toph is easily one of the hottest mtg characters.

>>96454719
>>96454749
You're both gay

Post
>Your favorite Mono-Color
>Your favorite Dual-Color
>Your favorite Tri-Color
>What you're listening to
>Your age
>Your favorite deck to play
>A commander you're interested in but haven't built yet
>Why you haven't built it yet

>>96454903
>Post
Malone?
>Your favorite Mono-Color
Giada.
>Your favorite Dual-Color
Deathrite Shaman. Yes, I know.
>Your favorite Tri-Color
Eshki Dragonclaw.
>What you're listening to
My gf yapping about "hot girl Summer" ending.
>Your age
37
>Your favorite deck to play
Chandra burn.
>A commander you're interested in but haven't built yet
Toph.
>Why you haven't built it yet
She's not out yet.

Want my credit card info and social security number too?

>>96454123 (OP)
Should I go for 3 dorks, 3 cluestones and 3 lockets in lieu of land ramp spells?

>>96453397
No you haven't lol. Hercules wasnt gay. Hiding isnt cross dressing. Youre a brainbombed zoomie lmao
>>96453452
Feel free to post some snippets from the source material you think supports your view anon because as someone actually familiar with it I know you are lying and won't be able to. Heck you seem completely uneducated on the topic. Any form of male-male love in Greece was harshly punished and ridiculed and there were laws to prevent men who acted that way from having a stake in society.
>ermmm but but pederasty
Very rare, and only the upper echelons did it. This is like saying everyone in the modern world is fucking babies and that its widely accepted because of Epstein island.
>>96454946
>37
>girlfriend
Yikes

>>96454951
>Running into the new thread to schizo post about the old
Please, fuck off and die.

>>96454903
>Post
misleading sign
>Your favorite Mono-Color
Black
>Your favorite Dual-Color
Boros
>Your favorite Tri-Color
Esper
>What you're listening to
my adhd feet shaking under the table
>Your age
33
>Your favorite deck to play
Demons
>A commander you're interested in but haven't built yet
Marneus Calgar
>Why you haven't built it yet
Too much card/land overlap with Oloro and I want to neither disassemble nor buy my 600$ manabase twice

>>96454903
>Your favorite Mono-Color
W
>Your favorite Dual-Color
Orzhov
>Your favorite Tri-Color
Esper
>What you're listening to
Legion of Skanks
>Your age
35
>Your favorite deck to play
Myrel
>A commander you're interested in but haven't built yet
Hinata Flicker
>Why you haven't built it yet
I have too many flicker decks

>>96455081
Blame 4chan for archiving the thread between my two posts.

>>96455089
4chan was telling you to let go, anon. Let go.

Did we really need more landslop in G? They could have used this as a cool opportunity to do noncreature clones or something in G. Like have him enter as a copy of an artifact and it augment his p/t or something.

>>96454903
>Colorless
>Simic
>Sultai
>The AC blowing
>24
>Bobby “Kinnan” Hill
>Nicol Bolas, the Ravager
>Haven’t got the commitment to build him yet

>>96455103
Why would sandman clone? Hes a dumb bad guy that would make no sense. Why artifacts? None of this makes sense.

>>96455118
I'm with you, but treasures actually make sense for most spiderman villains. 9/10 of them rob banks.

>>96455118
Because he turns his body into objects to use as weapons

No one ever expects the boros player to edict

>>96454903
>Your favorite Mono-Color
Blue
>Your favorite Dual-Color
Dimir
>Your favorite Tri-Color
Esper or Grixis
>What you're listening to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfxjeZaYzgU
>Your age
32
>Your favorite deck to play
Currently Golbez, once the Surveil machine starts to turn, I love the feel
>A commander you're interested in but haven't built yet
Toph, Flip Sephiroth, Cayth (again), Inspirit Flagship Vessel
>Why you haven't built it yet
Toph isn't out, I don't know how to aristocrats good (and I already have a monoblack deck I wanna make), and I already have an artifact deck focused on tokens so the last two would step on its toes for resources.

>>96455127
I still fail to see the relation here. His power is related to how much sand he has. Relating his strength to that makes sense. You just have edhgbrain

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>96455170
>>96455127
Ladies, please. Instead, to mimic his ability to, well, *mimic* objects, why not make it so he has imprint and you can exile a permanent you control. As long as it remains exiled, he gets a buff based on what it is.

>>96455103
>landslop
opinion discarded

>>96455202
That also sounds awful. I like what they did

>>96455226
>>96455227
>t. landslop enjoyers

>>96455103
WOTC wants to push mono green in standard and lands are the strongest resource in the game. So they are going full focus on them.

>>96454903
>Black
>Rakdos
>Temur
>Failure, The Nurse Who Loved Me
>34
>Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder
>Gonti, Lord of Luxury
>A friend of mine plays it (he thinks it looks like Darth Vader)

>thread is full of 30+ year olds
Don't you have taxes to file or whatever old people do

>>96454123 (OP)
>TQ
I don't have a pic right now, but I'm trying to refine my colorless Zhulodok deck. It's your usual setup of big shit like the titans, blight steel colossus, and so on. How should I be setting up my mana curve? My thought process was to lean heavily into 7+ creatures so that when I cascade, I don't get fucked by little creatures showing up. I'm mostly running as much ramp as possible to get to 7 mana ASAP.

How many of you guys running him?

>>96454903
>Your favorite Mono-Color
Green
>Your favorite Dual-Color
Gruul
>Your favorite Tri-Color
Temur
>What you're listening to
Speedrun history vids
>Your age
29
>Your favorite deck to play
Rn it's necrobloom
>A commander you're interested in but haven't built yet
Neerdiv, Devious Diver
>Why you haven't built it yet
The idea of having a mono color combo infinite feels fun but I'm worried I'll just play it once and never again, also I have a couple other decks on my maybe list

>>96455451
>worse madness
>no Batman mask
0/10

>>96455353
Are you surprised? I'm pretty sure gen Z only plays arena.

>>96455451
>Supposed to be the master of disguise
>Keeps his name so you know its him
Is he stupid?

>>96455523
I'm more surprised because this thread has so many poorfags who consider every GC insurmountably expensive.

>>96455551
Being in your 30s doesn't automatically mean you have a job or are financially well off.
It should, but that's not a rule.

>>96454903
>Your favorite Mono-Color
White
>Your favorite Dual-Color
Dimir
>Your favorite Tri-Color
Esper
>What you're listening to
Footsteps to avoid getting caught slacking on the job
>Your age
28
>Your favorite deck to play
Hylda (go wide and big tokens, cast 1 sided global tapdowns, hit face)
>A commander you're interested in but haven't built yet
>Why you haven't built it yet
Simic fractal/ooze token turbo. I just haven't found a commander that I like for the deck yet. There's some interesting ones like Kianne//Imbraham where you could exile some Slime Against Humanity and then it plays into both halves but I feel like it's not a strong enough payoff. The recent rule change to MDFC transforming might make me take another look at it. There's also a strixhaven set next year so I'm looking forward to that now that every set has a hundred commanders in them.

>>96454123 (OP)
>Post your decks
Don't mind if I do

>>96454903
White, I guess.
Boros
Sultai
Audio book for the Shadow Glass second novel, don't remember the title off hand
39
Anim Pakal aggro
Narci, just not a priority right now.

I want to proxy a CEDH deck to see where the power ceiling is. I'm thinking of an Etali deck

>>96454951
Herakles was bisexual and had several male lovers. Achilles spent 10 years crossdressing on an island hiding from a war, and was obsessively in love with his young male cousin. It doesn't get much gayer than that.

>>96455551
I'm going to take a guess that you're living with your parents and/or have no kids. You'll understand how little excess money functional adults have once you get there in life, especially right now with back to school for kids.

>>96454903
>Your favorite Mono-Color
Red
>Your favorite Dual-Color
Golgari
>Your favorite Tri-Color
Jeskai
>What you're listening to
Tinnitus
>Your age
30s
>Your favorite deck to play
Progenitus cascade
>A commander you're interested in but haven't built yet
Kalamax
>Why you haven't built it yet
I don't like the art, it's not kaiju enough for me

Do you guys care about stuff like foil, alternate anime art, borderless, showcase, and whatever else? Or do you just go "whatever is cheapest" when buying? Like a regular smothering tithe is $20, but the anime one is $150, $300 (foil), or $700 (confetti foil).

>>96455683
If the alt art is cheaper or only a few dollars more I'll usually get that.
I'm not paying more than 5 dollars more for different art or foil

>>96455647
>etali
>cEDH

>>96455683
i proxy all cards above 5 dollars

>>96454903
>Your favorite Mono-Color
Bristly Bill landfall-slop
>Your favorite Dual-Color
Vraska the Silencer removal tribal
>Your favorite Tri-Color
Aminatou manifest/blink
>What you're listening to
my colleague complaining about work
>Your age
27
>Your favorite deck to play
Sygg theft
>A commander you're interested in but haven't built yet
Ragost
>Why you haven't built it yet
Boros is not a color combination I usually like in EDH

>>96455451
No I'm running this guy

>>96455732
>Bristly Bill landfall-slop
Tell me about the cactus man. Can you run him with other cactus fuckers like Cactaur?

>>96454123 (OP)
Sorry for the Ur-Dragon deck bros.

>>96455719
Food Chain wins games.

https://moxfield.com/decks/ZsmwWi_5REOaCUL6FlvvkA

Should I just change out cyclonic rift?

>>96455719
He is, regardless of your feeling about it. Wanna continue to look stupid?
https://edhtop16.com/

>>96455719
Etali is one of the strongest and easiest to play cEDH commanders right now and just took first place at a 500 person cEDH tournament, you silly noob.

>>96455754
reguar cactuar does not work well with him, and jumbo cactuar is better in decks like Henzie toolbox or Samut to give him haste, or someone that can give it trample.
by the way here's the decklist, it's mostly updated: https://moxfield.com/decks/qAR0pynliE29NaUOlMv2cA
Bristly bill over Tifa because I can always spend 5 mana to pump the board if I don't have cards in hand. Ulamog will probably be replaced although this deck can reach 10 mana without problems

How autistic am I if I want my decks to have a "theme" or be tribal? I get that competitive decks are just whatever works, but I like running a visually consistent deck.

>>96455683
>alt arts, showcase, etc
All versions of a card are equally playable so I usually go with what's cheapest.
The only exception is for flavor reasons or the extended art or whatever. Even then I really only go for it if the price is less than $10 extra.
I will always go for the extended art of a pet card like Lethal Scheme because I get the bonus cat and it removes the cluttered reminder text for convoke and connive.
I should say if Im ordering proxies or playing digital I go nuts and get whatever matches the flavor of the deck the best.
>foils
I almost universally avoid foils because I think mtg's foils are ass. WOTC desperately needs to go talk to any other card game about it. Have you ever seen the crazy shit japanese card games can pull off? Our textured foils look like ass compared to the stuff I've seen from yugioh or pokemon.

>guy wheels
>starts doing his combo while I'm shuffling
>'ok all of you are tapped out, I'll cast this and this and you all take 1k damage'
>top deck pic rel from wheel
>'I sac X, cast flare for free'
>'thats so fair, so expected and definitely can play around it, I'll swords your creature before you sac it''

this card generated so much asshurt, is it really that strong?

>>96455814
>I almost universally avoid foils because I think mtg's foils are ass.
As someone who is new to mtg, what the fuck is up with the foils? Some of them barely look shiny, they almost always curl, and only a very few cards have special foil (ripple, surge), and it's BARELY noticeable.

>>96454139
>Is this a bad thing?
nta, but yes. it is bad, safe corporate art/design. it's a sickness that has been dominant for over a decade in our culture and can be found all over in popular franchises like tabletop, video games and shows/movies. safe corporate art lacks all masculinity - it's soft, boring and kid-friendly. like it all comes from women's minds. it has no edge and no soul. you don't see this shit and go "nice". you just feel disgust.

>>96455840
Yeah thats definitely what that image is whinging about lol

>>96455840
Anon I don't think the image was complaining about softness. I could see it if it was just blacula and his dumb smirk but here we are

>>96455840
I think you're just brainrotted. When I see this, I feel nothing, because it doesn't interest or appeal to me. Any other response is schizo shit. Take meds.

>>96454123 (OP)
tq
>>96455613
I am very tempted to make tifa but I already have four green decks, this looks fun

>>96455823
you can't swords something sacrificed for cost

>>96455852
>>96455868
what I'm telling you is the core problem. I'm a racist too, but I don't give a fuck about some africans doing african shit in africa. I have a problem with leftoid/woke elements hiring their cousins to draw bad art. it just so happens that (extremely racist) leftoid/woke elements are in love with brown-skinned people and need to draw them once in a while or else they would explode. nobody would give a shit if the art was edgy and masculine, like early 00's mtg art often was. stuff like the new norin art is an abomination.
>>96455872
>When I see this, I feel nothing
that's because of your medication, and that's why you always want others to take meds.

>>96455885
it was the beginning of a long faggoty discussion

>>96455918
But what you said makes little sense in relation to at least half of the collage. Please shut the fuck up and get off your soapbox this is an edh thread no one cares about your philosphizing

>>96455918
anon I was just saying that I think the guys only issue is that the characters are black and nothing else

>>96455928
the entire collage is a collection of ass
>>96455938
noticed how there is not a single old artwork in the collage? because even racists like anon would not care if the art wasn't done by woke/leftoid hacks

>>96455823
Free spells exist to counter bullshit, this enrages bullshit players.

>>96455947
Anon the guy included the kid from Stranger Things in the collage

>>96454223
based

>>96455137
mang I really wanna jam this but the only deck with white and red is the one that wants my opponents to have creatures so I can win with repercussion

>>96455959
>Free spells exist to counter bullshit
Free counterspells exist to protect combos.

5c chads...

>>96454223
THINK FAST

>>96455884
that deck looks like the deck from CMDRDeck. based.

>>96456023
chromantikeks... owari da...

>>96455837
Hasbro/WotC, in pure capitalistic fashion, decided to cut costs and use way cheaper materials in their foils, which led to all the problem we've been having for the last... 10 years? Give or take. All these years later and they still haven't admitted the fuck up and never will. Foils will likely always be 100% shit forever

>>96456023
>WE PUT MULTIVERSE IN YOUR MULTIVERSE

what a dumpster fire set, I've not met a single person excited for it.

>>96455551
>you have disposable income so you must CONSOOM
thankfully god has denied your get to tell us that your post is not blessed with truth

>>96455918
I don't take meds, I'm just mentally unwell like you. Would you prefer therapy instead? Or do you not believe in that?

>>96455837
The simple answer is also the most likely, which is cost and greed. Fuck WOTC, they can afford to make their foils not ass as a billion dollar game. They do the bare minimum and call it good.

>>96455823
free spells and combos are faggy. you’re both faggots

>>96456079
Combos have existed since the game first started. If you don't like combos, you just don't like Magic and should stop playing.

>>96456079
Fuck you buddy I love Cascade and Discover.

>>96456095
This.

>>96455823
cards like this and teferi's protection make people so fucking mad.


worse then straight up counter spelling the spell.

>>96455885
>>96455925
Why is that the case, anyway? What is the ruling on it? You are paying the additional cost of sacrificing a creature to cast the spell, so them exiling it doesn't matter since you are already sacrificing it?

>Doesn't even need to exile exile to make the copy, like every other eternalize card
what the fuck

>>96456176
costs are paid as part of casting the spell.

Other players won't have priority until the spell is on the stack. By then creature they want to path doesn't exist anymore. It was sacrified to put flare on the stack.

>>96456188
This card does not have eternalize

>>96456211
It is a series of mechanically similar effects that all make 4/4 black zombie token copies of a creature. The only difference with hashaton is he doesn't have to exile the original like all the other somewhat similar effects do.

>>96456023
Guess the Universes Within version of this card for Arena. 5c spider tribal is a really weird one to try to find flavor for.

>>96456245
Kyle, The spider god

- "Fuck yeah, spiders"

>>96454903
>Your favorite Mono-Color
Red, my Fumiko deck filters basedboys
>Your favorite Dual-Color
Orzhov, interaction and the coolest creatures
>Your favorite Tri-Color
Esper, same as above but with artifacts
>What you're listening to
Supreme Clientele 2
>Your age
35
>Your favorite deck to play
Sydri Galvanic Genius, destroying treasures, unequipping equipment at instant speed, and Magister Sphinxing is a great time
>A commander you're interested in but haven't built yet
Kilo
>Why you haven't built it yet
It’s in the process, will post mail day later

>>96456245
It'll be an ai generated image of a spider with rainbow energy emanating from it with a nebula behind it or something

>>96455683
I prefer borderless, but im a cheap jew and will get the cheaper print 9 times out of 10

>>96456036
thanks bitch, you too

>>96456023
It wouldn't be a Universes Beyond set without the arbitrary 5c commander so Timmy can jam all of his favorite in-universe characters into the same deck.

>>96454123 (OP)
>tq
Oh sweet a bunch of blurry pictures of rando decks that nobody will respond to! Unless there's tiddy proxies of course!

>>96455763
Do you ever win, or do you get jumped every game? Because ive never seen a UR dragon deck actually win

>>96454903
W or U
UB
WUR
my dog barking at something through the window
32
kami of the crescent moon
cant think of any

>>96454903
>>Your favorite Mono-Color
Black and Red are really close.
>>Your favorite Dual-Color
Selesnya
>>Your favorite Tri-Color
Bant
>>Your favorite deck to play
I think it's still Selvala Explorer Returned but I haven't actually gotten a game in with it in a long time because of the whole MLD aspect.
>>A commander you're interested in but haven't built yet
Troyan, Gutsy Explorer. When I was fucking around on MTGO I noticed it has some similar play patterns to Selvala namely the 3 cmc, tapping for mana.
>>Why you haven't built it yet
Well technically I have built it on MTGO with my draft scraps but that deck only barely counts. I'm not super excited to build simic, I just got done building a bant deck and I shit on simic players a lot IRL. I'll get around to it sometime soon.

>>96456331
what the hell is that?

>>96456363
I win when my friends act retarded about who the actual threat is. Usually they jump me when I get out Tiamat or Draconic Muralists

>>96455972
and?

>>96456046
who

I very badly want to stop building decks that go from no or little boardstate into a single turn win and go back to playing more of a vulnerable commit to the board style of play with incremental advantage. I'm pretty aware that this will not make winning easier but I think it will be more fun.
Any tips?

>>96454903
>Your favorite Mono-Color
K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth
>Your favorite Dual-Color
Malcolm & Kediss (Jhoria of the Ghitu if not counting partners)
>Your favorite Tri-Color
Chulane, Teller of Tales
>What you're listening to
Voodoo - D'Angelo(album)
>Your age
Null
>Your favorite deck to play
Malcolm & Kedis, these retards are insanely fun to fuck around with(Amulet Titan in modern)
>A commander you're interested in but haven't built yet
Flubs, the fool
>Why you haven't built it yet
Haven't had the time. I have a half assed decklist ready but haven't wanted to goldfish it yet, and still need to make cuts.

>>96454946
I don't like you
>>96455087
Based.
>>96455732
>sygg theft

>>96456289
Weaver of Fabrications

>>96454903
>White
>Selesnya
>Bant
>majority report
>really tough, gluntch artifact tokens or OG eriette with beneficial auras
>emet-selch
>too busy rn

>>96455683
Whatever is cheapest unless I have a particular pet deck or a card I really enjoy, then I just pick the art/design I personally like that most and try to buy that, but I also have a hard 10 dollar limit on a single card.

>>96455683
>foil, alternate anime art, borderless, showcase, and whatever else?
Back when full arts exclusively came from people making alters themselves, it was a huge flex. WOTC made full arts are for morons.
Original printing standard printing and original standard printing in foil are the only cards worth picking up now.

>>96455532
The chameleon is a bit of an egomaniac in the comics and cartoons. He is great at impersonating people, but he also wants people to know he was the person impersonating people. Think the Riddler always leaving clues for his crimes because he has the need to feel like he's smarter than everybody else.

Old lands just hit different.

>>96455683
i just pick whichever has the art i like most if its more than a few bucks though i will just proxy it

>>96456582
I'm partial to invasion lands myself
some newer lands are cool too, I like lorywn's. I can't wait to see how the fuck them up with the return to set.

>>96455683
If a fancy version I prefer is only a few bucks more or same price as a standard one, I'll get that.

My One Ring is the borderless foil bundle version because thay was cheapest.

>>96456460
Do bottom up deckbuilding and stop picking commanders that are part A of a combo or stop trying to big combo entirely.

inb4 but Im not
Are you really? Because that's what it sounds like.

>>96455683
I go out of my way to NOT get the alternate art version. It's become a giant hassle to order cards, because these special versions of cards aren't special at all and are often even cheaper than the real cards. And if you don't look out you'll receive a load of borderless showcase anime crap.

>>96456388
It's a Palmon from Palworld

>>96456606
I have been playing a lot of the primeval dragons, I hardly even cast them. I focus most of my efforts on ramping and drawing then overrunning.
Maybe the commander isn't the problem but maybe you aren't too far off the mark. Ground up you say... Hmm....

>>96455683
I used to care but now I just get whatever's cheapest. I don't even care about condition. To me, a card being slightly bent and frayed around the edges is the nicest frame it can have.

Kek

>>96456658
...huh. That's really fucking good

>>96456615
No, it's Lilligant from Pokémon. Stop lying.

>>96456695
>wrong recruiter of the guard art
so close!

>>96456701
No, I'm pretty sure it's sunflowmon from Digimon

>>96456618
I want to add that I am 100% guilty of acting like a smol bean and I want to stop being a pussy.

>>96456095
so have free spells

>>96456709
Wasn't gonna buy another version since i pulled one already. The other one is much better though

>>96456658
>It's a 'cool card but spiderman for some fucking reason'

>>96456757
I have the same feelings about this card

>>96456740
Yes, free spells and combos are both legitimate parts of the game.

>>96456740
Moxen and lotus justifying free removal is hilarious to me

>>96455823
i prefer this but both are good

>>96456841
Name a single removal card that is actually free without some sort of requirement or alternative cost.

>>96456879
tormod's crypt
ur go

>>96456658
shit art so can't play, sadly

Imagine...

>>96456898
why is this one mana and why does it count your draw for turn?

He can't even catch a break in fucking MTG

>>96456920
>constantly engaging in risk taking behavoir
>actually its just bad luck
comic niggas don't actually do they?

Best counterspell art coming through

>>96456942
I would feel personally offended if this was used against me.

>>96456890
It requires sacrificing it.

>>96456942
I hope this is the gold foil from Aetherdrift and not just a piss yellow background

Why do fags pretend that MLD is an answer to Green in casual EDH? every whiny faggot who ever complains about Mass Land Destruction being a social faux pas always says they "need it to stop the green player from running away with the game", meanwhile Green is almost universally the only color that runs Crucible of World effects, especially now with pushed as fuck re-prints of it like Icetill Explorer

So what is the actual excuse for running it now other than just wanting the game to last 3 hours

>>96456898
Pushed broken bullshit, and on a lame C-list character too

>>96456981
and tapping it too
bazinga!

>>96456776
this, should've been goku

>>96454136
>either impressively ugly and revolting or unwarranted smug levels of 100%, no inbetween
Why?

>>96456879
free refers to the mana cost.

>>96454294
My bro has had a skithiryx deck since he came out. It's very strong and a cheap deck to make.

What is considered a "budget" edh deck?

>>96456920
Huh, is there a term for this kinda effect? I've seen it on other cards. Kinda wanna make a deck where everyone is revealing a ton of cards and losing a ton of life like this

>>96457012
da joos

>>96456991
You just don't get it man. Land destruction was fine 30 years ago in 1vs1 play. That means there can't ever be anything wrong with it. So if I play some mana rocks and blow up all lands, it simply means that I'm smarter than everybody else. You should be thankful to be allowed to watch me play the game while you can't do anything without lands.

>>96457047
Dark Confidant variants

>>96457045
Kinda depends on the person. Some swear it's less than $100, some believe it's less than $50

>>96457045
Probably under 100 bucks

>>96457045
the moment you dont put a card in your list because its too expensive

>>96454903
>Your favorite Mono-Color
red
>Your favorite Dual-Color
dimir
>Your favorite Tri-Color
grixis
>What you're listening to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVGrU2uT06U&list=RDpVGrU2uT06U&start_radio=1
>Your age
36
>Your favorite deck to play
Kefka/Parnesse https://archidekt.com/decks/13429111/kefka_max
>A commander you're interested in but haven't built yet
winter, tormented guide
>Why you haven't built it yet
probably too mean

>>96457045
$100 or less.

>>96457045
cheaper than a precon

>>96457056
Stop projecting your insecurities on to others. Blowing up a ton of lands has nothing to do with proving how smart you are. It's simply a fun thing to do.

>>96454903
>Your favorite Mono-Color
GREEN!
>Your favorite Dual-Color
I love WG for flavor, BG for power, but WR is where it's at for me.
>Your favorite Tri-Color
ABZAN, or as I like to call it Teneb colors.
>What you're listening to
Nothing.
>Your age
42
>Your favorite deck to play
Horde of Notions aggro
>A commander you're interested in but haven't built yet
Selenia
>Why you haven't built it yet
I'm working on it. Not sure the direction I want to go.

>>96457054
what is he trying to say?
whats a grocery store auntie?

>>96456890
Sacrificing a permanent is a big requirement

>wotc hasnt printed a card for your deck in over a year
feels kinda weird ngl.

>>96457094
man wait till you learn about instants and sorceries
they don't even hit the battlefield

>>96457099
Hard to believe with how much new crap they are putting out, what deck?

>>96457099
this is actually very normal and our format would be better if it was more common

>>96457106
They also have costs to cast them.

>>96457012
see >>96455840
corporate slop art forced by leftoid/woke cultists. complete lack of edge and/or beauty.

>>96457115
Osgir. they just dont release good artifacts he can abuse because everything playable is legendary.

>>96457099
If the avatar set doesn't have a bear I'm gonna post my suicide note to edhg

>>96457059
Fuck, these are the only two that hit other players and not just yourself. There goes that idea

>>96456658
>>96456942
based tentacle-chad

>>96457099
>make lynde, curse deck
>duskmourne comes out, see badass enchant player card
>not a curse despite curses being a thing in multiple sets
>just forgotten

>>96457089
a grovery store auntie is a middle-aged to old woman working in a grocery store.
he is trying to say that woke artists uglify everything they touch.

>>96457137
there is a new card in the spiderman set. peter parker bad luck or something.

>>96457137
look at caustic bronco

>>96457150
....yeah no shit, follow the post chain, I was the one that replied to that card

>>96457123
I fail to see your point.
Free spells refer to the casting cost. The important thing here is being able to play around untapped mana, if you can't understand that please let me know because I can go into more detail.

>>96457157
>reading this garbage
hard pass.

>>96457163
If you know free cost spells exist, learn to play around them. In short, get good noob.

>>96457137
I like to run those effects in Betor, Ancestor's Voice, but yeah, most hit yourself

>>96456942
can't wait for the DC crossover for the batman slap meme version. we love memes on cards here

>monoblack chainer deck
>eat through my life
>tutor pic rel
>ashnod or sac for mana
>"haha man you are gonna die on your upkeep- NOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

this set really is just where is waldo, huh

>>96457099
feels good man. pandering with autoincludes is the shit that ruins all creativity

>>96456898
This just seems lazy to me

>>96456892
Just cut out the art of Wrath and then color over it with some black.

>>96457300
>TWO mana
lichurally unplayable

>>96457084
I run back to basics, winter orb, static orb and trinisphere purely to make newfags like you seethe

>>96457376
I like stax, both playing it and playing against it. Good job for playing stax. Keep up the good work buddy.

>>96454136
is that levar burton in the bottom right corner?

Jeremy MacDougal
WUB
1/3
1, pay 2 life: exile a card in your hand from the game. Any player may play this ability any time they could play a sorcery.

If a permanent entering the battlefield, drawing a card, a creature attacking or permanent going to the graveyard would cause an ability to trigger, that ability now triggers when a card they own is exiled. (Abilities without the correct context such as 'defending player' will fizzle)
>>96457376
>running stax against people in casual games unannounced

I hope you don't mind when I remove every combo or value piece from your deck so you'll twiddle your thumbs until the table gets tired of you. Stax players being salty cunts when they get a taste of their own medicine and kvetching about being targeted makes me giggle.

Spiderman fans: why is this guy not called Doc Croc?

>>96457137
>>96457047
I don't think you'll be able to quite make a top-deck-burns-you deck but it could be a part of some sort of top deck matters thing where you play pic where people are encouraged to beat you with high MV cards but then you flip the script and punish people for putting high value on top.

>>96457468
Characters are typically defined by their theme, he’s a croc by coincidence , but the reason he’s called the sewer rapist is because of the location of the horrible acts he commits.

You didn't try to blasphemous act my board did you?

>>96457181
I accept your concession.

Are you fucking kidding me

>>96457563
You people hated fantasy so much, you cried and pissed your pants and opened your wallets for anything but magic lore, this is what you get

I hate comics so much its unreal.

Most unrealistic card in magic btw

>>96456196
Yeah, that's what I thought was the case, you can't interrupt the casting of a spell or paying the costs.
>>96456188
And that is why Hashaton is the number 2 (used to be number 1) esper commander

lol

>>96457659
The Latina mother I understand but a supportive black dad is something I refuse to believe exists. Also black man x Latina woman is a couple I only see in Hollywood but never irl.

I have come full circle on capena
best set we have had since Khans block

>>96457714
>i play hot dog cart
>i make hotdog

>>96457241
>waldo
A Waldo UB would be pretty tits, ngl.

>>96457722
I do social work (kill me wtf was I thinking), I see that combination every day. It's actually probably the most common interracial combination we get.
Hey anyone have advise for leaving a job that sucks, is killing you and actively making you racist? I am 100% fueled by sunk cost fallacy at this point. I figured mtg players could relate since all of you shoulda quit a long time ago.

>>96457769
Every Latina i know openly hates black men

Now this is landslop I approve of

>>96457809
Huh, crazy.

did you guys see the doc oc lady who is one mana and casts artifacts for free?

>>96457850
Pushed woke nonsense

>>96457850
Imagine looking at the thread you're in. >>96456898

>>96457870
oh fuck this is edhg isnt it

Reveal her card cowards

>>96457888
You and that other anon never saw it coming

>>96457729
Same here. I've kind of been in the mood for some New Cap. A shame all we're getting is more UB slop.
Sadly the monkeypaw would curl and it would be shit. I can't trust WOTC to not fuck it up.

Semi related and open to anyone question. Was New Cap. enjoyable to open for the SET boosters?
inb4 >opening product
I know. I just want to for fun and it's only like $100 for a box.

>>96457729
I like wedges
I like themes
I like capena
I think they did a great job, if only they would learn the right lessons from a set like that

>>96457437
>being this mad that someone is playing cards in the card game

>>96457792
and people are HAPPY. if you don't like YOU have to leave now

>>96457956
>and people are HAPPY
where?

>>96457952
>from a set like hat

>>96457956
Even the UB dick riders are starting to turn coat as well. It's mainly because there's way too much product being printed even for normies

As soon as a set comes out, the next set is being spoiled/revealed. People don't even have time to get mad anymore

Just finished my first commander night!
Went 0-3 but it still was fun.
My deck worked very slowly in game 2 and 3 tho, i think it needs to be improved.

>>96457952
Like the theme and shit all you want they still printed a legendary creature that cared about haste in a set with only 5 other creatures with haste and one threaten effect.

>>96457969
I don't get the joke and or reference.

Monster Hunter doing a collab with a fucking guitar manufacturer before doing one with WotC, not creating the sole UB set i'd even remotely be interested in
honestly kinda based, considering the shitfest MtG has become lately

>>96457729
I tend to agree I just hate draft formats with only 5 archetypes. Gets boring.

>>96458017
I fucking wish I had the time to draft
or an LGS where it actually fired
I have given some thought to drafting on MTGO but then how am I supposed to build paper edh decks from the cards I draft?
If only there was a TTSIM mod for drafting then I could just buy the singles I wanted from my draft pool.
>hey anon why not just buy the singles you want and cut out the middle man
I find it more exciting to have to play with whatever cards I have opened or drafted. Cracking packs is for suckers so draft is the only really good way to build a collection without just buying all the best stuff and getting instantly bored.

>>96457437
Redpill me about Extract. Why don't more people use it? Sounds useful to remove game winners from well optimized decks

>>96457722
>>96457809
Latinas crave the BWC

>>96454429
list?

>>96457722
Wow a guy on /tg/ that doesn't go outside, go figure
>>96457714
Hot dog

>Lorwyn next year
>will either barely include Kithkin or drastically change them
>will probably change old kino art and make them hobbits
Grim

>>96458009
Monster Hunter does collabs with anything because that game is dead in the water

>>96457437
imagine exiling good cards from your opponent's library when you can exile bad cards from your own library instead.

>>96458087
too low impact in low power games and its just easier and more efficient to try to combo off first rather than maybe screw over 1 opponent in high power games

>>96456490
>Sygg theft
it's control with some theft spells like breach the multiverse. it's a deck that scales with my opponents

>>96458118
This is the latest Kithkin we've seen so... Eh?

>>96457905
Really hoping for mono red, expecting Red/Black.

>>96458133
still looking for a decent home to run the Mana Severance + Goblin Charbelcher "Combo"

>>96458178
>Match of the Machines card
>we didn't get to see more cards of Kithkins fighting off Phyrexians
Makes me sick

Duskmourn's flavor text was a lot better than in other sets

>>96457905
Also Ty Lee

>>96458224
:|

>>96457839
This isnt "landslop". This is "I always get to swing and have mana up for interaction". Real gutless design.
>>96457936
Id definitely get one if I could for that price. Just be warned outside of the lands the set boosters dont carry much value.

>>96457905
Avatar previews aren't for a while, anon. There's a whole other set.

>>96457437
>stax is mentioned
>start making up weird fantasies
Seek help

>>96457981
Post deck homoanon

>>96458133
>>96458198
I do this, and I also run opposition agent hivemind with selective memory in my umbris deck

How do you all feel about not-Cosmic Spider-Man.

Barring Spongebob and Spider-Man, what's the worst UB so far?

>>96458087
>>96458289
Extract is good against losers that run pub stomp decks, so when a cuck runs tiv for example, I extract time sieve and drop vexxing bauble asap for their faggy free counters.

>>96458341
damn
I wish I had a shit not to give

Reminder that they WILL print us a skeleton commander

>>96458367
>>96458289
Example: t1 isochron mana drain

>>96458375
please just stop with the precons
we need a break
its like mh3 every year

>>96458341
Looks like an alchemy set.

>>96458367
And then everyone clapped

>>96458389
Standard is literally on life support right now, WOTC is all in on commander. Its what they want new players to learn the game with.

>>96458382
This guy must reslly live rent free in your head because you've posted this picture over 10 times.

>>96458411
I know but come on
this format has always been a garbage fire that we have to make fun for ourselves
this is not a good environment for constant power creep and mass adoption

>>96458341
Words can not fully encompass the laughter I am experiencing from seeing this card.
>Hmm yes you know how we have that whole Ur-Dragon character that remains a loose end in the plot to this day?
>Let's just make an Ur-Spider now who gives a shit lmao

>>96458427
Ive posted it 3 times, and it’s an example of pubstompers for how egregious it is and why I have a silver bullet deck.

>>96458437
I've seen it more than 3 times and I basically never come here
you have a problem

>>96458437
Does everyone clap when you play it, though?

>>96458363
None, because UB isn't a problem it's just something your autistic schizo brain can't handle.

>>96458436
Ur-Dragon's just a thing of the Multiverse like Arahbo. There's no 'loose end', they're just sort of primordial origin points for things in the Multiverse. I guess the Ur-Spider is like that too.

>>96458382
>a high variance format has some crazy plays
imagine my shock

>>96458363
Final Fantasy

>>96458440
Now who’s making shit up

>>96458441
It generates the same kind of seethe you are making, the same passive aggressive barbs designed to make coping easier.

>>96458367
>>96458382
>using a picture thats been posted here for over a year now for your story
Lol

in a recent game i had Breena out and a way to draw me a card every time i put one or more counters on a creature. I was amazed how eagerly my opponents did my bidding and rushed to attack each other, getting their lifetotals nice and low into killing range for my buffed creatures - even though i got a whole card and 2 counters out of it each time.

Yet when i play retard Rocco, the card my opponents get by just providing me a single counter and a food token is just too steep a price to even worth considering.
curious
you should run Breena if you can, even if she is unrelated to your gameplan. its almost better than a Ghostly Prison

>>96458467
>Now who’s making shit up
m8, its always been you.

>>96458471
>>96458491
k

>>96458497
Cool you saved this photo on may? Please shut the fuck up no one cares that you got your shit stomped in and no one cares about the epic not at all salty spite deck you made as a result. Fucking hell this is embarrassing behaviour

>>96458517
feel free to find it in the archives then, you are just a stupid bitch running your mouth

>>96458538
A fedoralord like you isn't worth my time.

>>96458273
>dont carry much value
I'm aware. I don't intend to "plus" off the box or anything. I want the cards.
I love making cubes and such so I could get a draft box but for $30 more I can get something a bit nicer.

>>96458538
>tfw only could find 3 posts
hmm he might be right. complaining about the board state is dumb but he might be right about the number of posts.

>>96454136
Izoni and the blacula are fine.

>>96458341
hahahaha this is so fucking stupid why do I like it so much it's so awful

>>96458449
>duuude you just cant handle the product oversaturation and constant price increases, while boosters and displays get smaller duuude, its literally healthy for the game whats habbening

>>96458363
i would still go with Walking Dead.
It was just a monstrous unfitting in-your-face decision, and a total asspull anyways because the show was shitting the bed hard at this point. Including the typical MaRo lies, this stands out as the one that started it all

>>96458363
Probably Warhammer.

>>96458341
Unironically more interested in it than the real Spider-Man set.

>>96458363
its gotta be assassin's creed
ugly as shit art
completely full of literally whos

>>96458600
>I am being priced out of the game I love and instead of improving my lot in life to keep up, I am going to crash out hard and make my pain everybody else's problem because my parents never taught me coping skills

>>96458636
There's some real bangers in Ass Creed desu, and it also has Reconnaissance with the reminder text for an added bonus

>>96457142
Why is iron man hanging out with jinzo?

>>96458363
There's a couple tied for worst for different reasons.
>Brought in the most amount of faggots
Final Fantasy
Sonic
>Pushed cards
LOTR
>Aesthetically Shitty
Ghostbusters
Doctor Who
>Sick as Fuck IP but Universe Beyond is still cringe
Street Fighter

>>96458644
>i shall consoooom, no questions asked
>this is YOUR moral failure, not mine

>>96458676
>we will never get a Street Fighter set, or even another SLD with M. Bison and Juri

>>96458644
too many cards
not enough fucks to give
this is bad

>>96458644
holy projo-mojo my guy

>>96458687
>I'm going to hang around the spaces I used to enjoy and harass people instead of quitting the game that has left me behind
Digital equivalent of a bum having a mental health episode at a Wendy's

>>96458705
>>96458696
Nah baby you just haven't been catered to yet, and with the push for UB it's all but guaranteed to happen.

>>96458711
>harass
you take criticism of a billion dollar company far too personally

>>96458711
>discussing stances and viewpoints on the general health of the game is harassment
are you being genocided right now?

>>96458720
I'm the one who has to be around your seething, go vent anywhere else, then I won't have to see it

>>96458718
im the biggest ff fag in this thread, hands down.
UB sucks
dont project your weak will on me.

>>96458718
i want my Moomins UB and i want it yesterday

>>96458732
if you dont like it, make like a tree and fuck off

>>96457563
This is deeply philosemitic

>>96458738
I'll pitch the Moomins/Smurfs/Asterix/Tintin set to MaRo at the next world domination subcommittee meeting

>>96458739
It's "make like a tree and leaf" the pun being leaf sounds like leave.

>>96458720
dont bully this anon too hard, he is soft enough to just buy what he is told and has to bear different opinions on here, he has it as tough as it can get

>>96458758
"WOTC bad" isnt a different opinion its basically the overwhelming opinion of MTG players, which tells me they're about as smart as they are good at MTG

>>96458755
I know that you know that I know that you know it's a reference to boondocks saints which is itself a reference to Back to the Future.

>>96458363
Sonic. Those characters are hideous.

>>96458766
there he is, the supreme gamer
welcome back Elliot

>>96458475
My playgroup is the opposite. I run Breena and everyone attacks me exclusively.

>>96458644
What a wild reply! Less cards for more money is in fact objectively worse

>>96458809
Just buy the cards you want anon, its not hard

>>96457981
cute rikkaposter

Its always UB this and UB that
meanwhile all UB does is doing the same mechanics painted juuust different enough to fit the flavor, add in one mabye two format wide chase staples, rinse repeat.
at this release and card print rate we need more spell types to keep shit interesting.
Give me Pendulum

>>96458821
I like opening packs so that doesnt change anything. The game is the worst its been for the consumer in its entire history. You are probably retarded sorry to break it to you.

Can't we all just get along?

>>96458836
This is a golden age for pack crackers lmao, there's a thousand chase variants for you to acquire. You're not a lucklet, are you?

>>96458858
>golden age for pack crackers
more like golden age for scalpers
you have no point to make, just stop

>>96457177
shelob bros we are so back

>>96458834
I like mtg as a mechanical game but I love mtg for the art over the years.
It's not all great but it is getting worse and UB just a recent contributor to this problem.
Not to mention they destroyed the in game universe by printing universes beyond.
These are things that just seem to get worse with every set.

>>96458858
No, I haven't paid for a pack in a long time I often boast about it in this thread actually. That still does not change my point which you have dodged multiple times now I accept your concession. Also more variants is actually bad but I wouldn't expect a retard to understand that

>>96458858
>This is a golden age for pack crackers
only if you buy crazy expensive collector packs desu. play boosters require you to get an insane pull to make up the cost.

>>96458871
>>96458880
>>96458889
To reiterate:
>I am being priced out of the game I love and instead of improving my lot in life to keep up, I am going to crash out hard and make my pain everybody else's problem because my parents never taught me coping skills

I can't find a copy of Heroic Intervention. I know I have a second copy. I bought the precon it came in. I don't sell my cards. I've looked in all my green decks. All of the decks I'd put it in are cataloged and updated meticulously. I found the copy of Eternal Witness I'd been looking for but no Heroic Intervention. I'm going fucking insane.

>>96458905
oh noes, xir is feeling harassed again :(

>>96457714
IT WAS JUST SUPPOSED TO BE A STUPID MEME

>>96458908
Do you have a trade binder? Check behind your slotted in cards, maybe you slipped it in there.

>>96458905
this is exactly the kind of schizo post that should not be replied to in this thread.
he makes outlandish posts like this every day and you mother fuckers keep replying

>>96458908
I had this with a misty rainforest the other day. Had to give my friend my fancy one the other day since I promised him one for his birthday. Now I have to buy a new fancy one :^(

>>96458931
eeh, youre right anon.
anything ordered lately? i finally pulled the trigger and got me my Mono Blue Urza for my Azorius artifact pile. Should power it up good

this card gets worse every time I look at it

>>96458931
They can't help themselves, all you have to do is call someone ITT poor or mentally ill and its guaranteed replies

>>96458300
I posted it before here, it was this! (minus the tutor cus the seller never shipped it)
>moxfield.com/decks/LLuMKJd7f0CXlrTY0njDyA

Okay I decided a mono color deck to build

>>96458981
xhe needs to cost 1 less for primal prayers

>>96458938
I havent bought anything since last standard rotation. I am slowly getting a small list together. I am really just enjoying brewing with the cards I have and putting up a good fight with my shitpiles vs my brother in laws edhrec tier FOTM decks.

>>96458947
pic related is lowkey better than both the rare and the mythic angel.

>>96458981
Well it certainly will be a green deck, I hope you have fun.

>>96458431
If WOTC cared about the health of the format they wouldn't be rushing out 6 sets a year. Like every other corporation hasbros goal is short term profits at the cost of long term stability. With MTG being their only profitable product at the moment.

>>96459054
No, WotC actually thinks about long-term health more than any other company. That's why they're so cautious about bans and reprints. YGO died because cards would get banned and reprinted like crazy. Pokemon is only alive because they don't ban cards and have a huge collector market for rare prints. WotC knows that a stable format is important and people want their cards to retain their value long-term.

>>96459034
I want to build junk 1-drop tribal, but I don't want to run karador...

>>96458938
NTA, but I'm getting a regal force for my mono green stompy deck, and I'm getting magical hack for my storm deck so I can put typhoon in as a win con for flavor

This set feels so pointless from a gameplay perspective. Its filled with a ton of cards that feel like they only exist for their flavor as spider-man adaptations into MTG, but that are also so weak that they won't have a place in 60 card formats or even in most EDH tables, save for people who really, really want to make spider man decks. This really should have been a commander product so they could push the powerlevels a bit higher and be more focused with the designs

>>96459090
YGO is dying because its unbelievable powercreep turned the entire game into a retarded parody of itself where 99% of games can just be decided by comparing opening hands.

>>96454123 (OP)
why the fuck is Blink so busted in casual?
it really puts the typical Simic fuckery to shame
>main gameplan doubles as interaction protection
>usually in Azorius, which has the easiest time protecting their shit anyways
>Azorius also is the indisputed combo stopper
>main gameplan easily makes all boardwipes you play asymetrical
>ETB value has gotten insanely powerful in general
>you quickly outvalue almost anything your opponents do
>old blink legendaries like Brago still hold up, new ones like picrel are straight up degenerate, completely laughing at Brudiclads face for being 6 mana

what is more easy mode in casual than Blink? the only thing that comes to mind is maybe lands, possibly even surpassing Flicker
t. touches my pod inappropiatly in places they didn't even know yet

new Opp dropped

>>96459090
>long-term health

>>96459090
I wish I shared your optimism. I just don't see how the facts line up with your worldview.

>>96459158
yorion is a pirate king

>>96459147
No, the problem was that cards would get banned constantly so there was no stable meta and if you owned a valuable card it could be reprinted in a precon at any time making it worthless. WotC doesn't do this because they know that most buyers are collectors that want their cards to retain their value instead of randomly becoming worthless because they were all banned or printed into the ground.
>>96459171
One mistake made by a legacy player and only impacted modern. Nobody was actually playing Nadu in commander.

>>96459200
Yorion is beatiful

>>96459232
How many people play cEDH at your LGS? Oh, none? Yeah nobody was playing Nadu either.

>>96459232
but they did, and still do

>>96459223
No that's not the issue. The bans in YGO can be annoying but the core issue is that the game is just extremely terrible now and has been for years.

>>96459223
>Nobody was actually playing Nadu in commander.
>mysteriously banned in commander
environmental story telling

>>96459276
The game is terrible because of its unstable meta. There's no pressure to innovate. Instead players just ask for bans and reprints so the whole game changes every few months instead of slowly evolving.

>>96459288
Mike motherfucking Matei
i wander what commanders he would play

>I don't like thing, only "peeple" like thing!
>SLOOOOOP!
Find a more intelligent way to formulate your criticism for fuck sake.

>>96459288
How many people are playing Braids and Coalition Victory now that they're unbanned, hmm? The banlist is meaningless. The 2024 bans were a huge mistake because they took longstanding staples like Mana Crypt and banned them just for the sake of destabilizing the game, which is what killed YGO.

>>96459315
i certainly heavily dislike you shitty post
it reads like slop

>>96459326
>How many people are playing Braids and Coalition Victory now that they're unbanned, hmm? The banlist is meaningless.
Those cards were banned in 2009 you disingenuous cunt.

>>96459194
Magic survived for over 30 years this way. That's a fact.

>>96459348
I don't see how this post is related to your other one, past performance is not indicative of future results.
MTG can coast for a very long time on momentum alone, that does not mean they care or even know enough to care about the game's health.

>>96459308
Brown Brick infinite loop
Gadget Tribal
Loco Bandito Theft

>>96459348
No they haven't? The last 5 years have been entirely different than the first 25. They did not survive by acting this way, we will have to see if it can produce long term results.

>>96459341
Mana Crypt was printed in 1994 and mysteriously only caused issues in 2024. This is YGO banlist behavior creeping into Magic which is why WotC took control away from the RC. WotC knows that you don't appease whiny retards just to shake up the meta. You need to let it slowly and organically evolve over time so that when people buy cards they know they'll be playable for a long time instead of randomly getting banned.

>>96459326
I wake up every day and am happy crypt is gone. Took it out of my decks with glee. Sure the format is completely unrecognizable due to the constant printing of commander cards but at least smart threat assessment can dig you out of a lot of situations. There's not a lot you can do about someone hitting the gas faster than you can respond.

>>96454903
>Your favorite Mono-Color
RED
>Your favorite Dual-Color
Golgari is based af
>Your favorite Tri-Color
I love 3-color control, Esper, Jeskai, Bant, Grixis are all great, I like them equally but uhhh I guess Jeskai
>What you're listening to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdLnOoBYpuo
>Your age
25
>Your favorite deck to play
pic related, I love this deck so much but I only play it every once in a while since its not that popular amongst my pod
>A commander you're interested in but haven't built yet
The Gitrog, Ravenous Ride
>Why you haven't built it yet
I'm not made of money

>>96459168
Is it bad that I like this art? I'm not even a Spider-Man fan, this just looks nice.

>>96459372
>mysteriously only caused issues in 2024
bait lmao

>>96459359
>They're doing the same thing they always have! That's a bad thing!
>>96459371
>They're doing something completely new! That's a bad thing!
Make up your mind. You just wanna bash WotC because you're new and don't know they're actually way smarter than you think.

>>96459368
I would add
Beamtown Bullies
Tergried
Rakdos, Lord of Riots
a random from the first Summon Legends old border deck

>>96459383
You can like things without approval from us autistics anon

>>96459394
see, you are being too obvious with your bait posts, you have to respond in a way that people actually believe you are unhinged or stupid.

>>96459376
>>96459387
It's called a format staple, retard. Part of what makes commander the format everyone fell in love with was games sometimes having variation. That's why sol ring is in every precon. Part of what made the format different was how you could sometimes get a fast start and sometimes had to play against them. Mana Crypt was part of the game for 30 years and wasn't an issue at all, but for some reason the RC decided it was suddenly an issue in 2024 because they listened to YGO players that just want to autistically play solitaire and do the same thing every single game instead of adapting.

>>96459432
>wasn't an issue at all

>>96459444
Well I guess we should ban all lands because every deck runs them so therefore they're a big problem!

>>96459432
The banning of Dockside Extortionist and it's consequences has been a disaster for the human race.

>>96456898
WHAT THE FUCK
WHAT THE FUCK

>>96459432
>it wasn't an issue at all
>except the constant calls for it to be banned
go back through the RC forum and announcements, MC was mentioned a lot. Sol ring is a pretty similar problem but with crypt banned it solves two problems. The first is the relatively low supply of crypt vs sol ring and the second is fast mana density. one sol ring is arguably good for the format for the reasons you listed but having two on top of the other lesser but still impactful fast mana rocks created an environment where fast mana was seen in every game. That is not variability.

>>96459432
>Mana Crypt was part of the game for 30 years and wasn't an issue at all
>Which is why its banned in legacy and restricted to a 1 of in vintage
>Because it wasn't ever an issue or a problematic card

>>96459452
>i keep pretending to be retarded you'll believe me right guys

>>96459471
Commander isn't legacy or vintage retard. It's a different format which is why it has a different banlist. Ragavan is banned in legacy does that mean we should ban him from commander even though he does nothing in the format?

i just want to do "my thing".
if i didnt do it, i will be mad.
it doesnt matter that "my thing" is relentlessly smashing your face in and then comboing off, just in case.
you are just an asshole for stopping me in my tracks

>>96459432
>autistically play solitaire
>btw crypt shouldn't have been banned
you do realize these are the same thing, right?

The average commander player would be happier playing Wingspan or some other multiplayer solitaire engine building board game.

>>96459534
I am fortunate enough that in 15 years of playing I have never run into a my thing person in real life. It must be a coastal thing.

>>96459545
oh yeah and battlecruiser boomers are SOOOOOOOOOOOO much better.
Delusion.

>>96459526
>Say its never been a problem
>Point it has been
>BUT IT HASN'T BEEN FOR COMMANDER! WHY WOULD YOU BE BRINGING UP NOT COMMANDER WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE SPAN OF MAGIC'S HISTORY!
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN COMMANDER HASN'T BEEN AROUND FOR 30 YEARS?! NO, YOU'RE THE RETARD!
Clown. They've known its a retardly powerful card for a long time, it just took the RC way to fucking long to get with the program.

>>96459547
i think a salty underlying tone like this is definitely there, especially among EDH-only beginners i have played with

Why do we fight amongst ourselves when the real enemy is WotC? Do we not know that historically tyranny was upheld by the leader keeping their lackeys infighting?

>>96459584
because it's fun
we aren't really fighting, we just make up bad arguments and reply to ourselves in increasingly catty ways
bitch

>>96459591
Except there are people here who are dead serious.

>>96459598
at least 4 of those people are just me

>>96459598
you dont know that for sure, unless you are talking about yourself, schizo

>>96459606
no they aren't! I am definitely really real!

>>96459158
I've been enjoying Omega as a blink deck. I really wanted to make it work somehow and turns out ramping a bunch with green then flickering, cloning, and copying triggers with blue's kit is pretty serviceable.

>>96456898
This feels like a modern horizons card, but its in standard.

>>96459622
BUY THE SET, YOU SHITTER!

>>96459540
>Adapting to whoever gets a fast start is the same thing as playing solitaire
>>96459574
>I-It just took the RC a long time to figure it out!
I guess no cards were banned between 1994 and 2024 if they weren't able to blindly copy the legacy banlist until then.

>>96459432
Imagine thinking Mana Crypt's ban was to the benefit of solitaire Yugioh players instead of actively harming them.

>>96459632
its ok to admit you don't actually play the game

>>96459630
Standard is kill, I am not wasting money on it.

>>96459651
>my dad when he walks by my room in the morning on his way to work and wonders why I am still living at home at 35

>>96459632
>I guess no cards were banned between 1994 and 2024 if they weren't able to blindly copy the legacy banlist until then.
Oh, you're actually just a retard grasping at straws to make any argument what-so-ever.
My mistake, enjoy this last (you) you waste of time.

I will be proxying the universes within version of this.

>>96459632
Fast mana's value scales based on what you can spit out early. Crypt was clearly becoming more of a problem as more cards were being printed that could take over a game early. It's why Dockside and Jewlo went with it. These early explosive sources of mana with no real cost are game warping.

>>96459664
>finally get a perfect card to add to my Breena group slug deck
>it's in a fucking capeshit set

I wonder if printing companies like MPC are experiencing an uptick.

>>96456658
Did doc ock ever kill everyone in NYC?

>>96459706
breena's luck

>>96459723
of course not, dont ask questions
cunt

>>96459632
>I guess no cards were banned between 1994 and 2024
Yes, there were no commander bans from 1994 through 2011 because until 2011 it wasn't an officially recognized format.
Why do you keep bringing up magics original release date when it has no bearing on commander when commander wasn't viewed by WotC as a thing until 2011 with their first precons?
You seem massively under qualified to be engaging in this discussion.

>>96459695
>>96459749
Nta but that reasoning is a joke
>Eternal format with access to almot every card in the games history
>Old cards will now be banned based on the retarded power creep of the new cards
>Instead of carefully planned and tested new designs we'll just push out a bunch of slop from here on out and if any of it breaks old cards then the old cards get banned instead of the new ones because the new cards are chases.
Yeah I don't really vibe with this WOTC shill-cuck mentality.
Mana Crypt was a format staple for nearly 2 decades.
Engage in any jewish mental gymnastics you want banning that card was retarded.

>>96459090
Yugioh is dying because it's a meme boomer anime game full of rocket tag power creep cards and unlike MtG the fanbase never created a popular Commander variant to save it from itself when everyone playing it realized 1v1 competitive card games where you can pay to win and design mistakes get printed every set are extremely stupid and got tired of wasting time and energy on what's supposed to be a hobby, not your fucking job.

And Magic is going the exact same route. Commander bought the game a decade or two but the inevitable power creep and pace of releases is going to burn out the majority of the playerbase whose existence doesn't revolve around consooming a trading card game.

>>96459774
>NTA
>Buzzwords
Run along kid.

>>96459774
>Mana Crypt was a format staple for nearly 2 decades
>When commander has only existed officially for 14 years

>>96459706
Not yet because the cards aren't out, but they will once scryfall gets its hand on all the UW versions.

>>96459295
>>96459276
Neither of you retards actually know anything and are both wrong.
>They'll be upset that collector value will tank
Nobody playing the game actually gives a fuck about that. We are actively begging for konami to reprint staple cards, namely the charmies, and thank fuck we're getting them in this year's big reprint set called the mega tins. You're just completely wrong here.
People that come in to treat the game as some sort of investment are promptly told to KYS because we see what kinds of retards it attracts. These people are a blight and add nothing to the value of the game. Source: Mana Crypt and co ban.
Seeing how you're trying to view the game through the lens of money and you don't know shit I think it proves the point too.
>The game is DEAD!
This is a statement made by people that don't know jack shit about the game and want to make clickbait for worse than secondaries.
NAWCQ (NA nats) was as populated as ever. I can say that because I was there.
Worlds wrapped up just this weekend and went well in the sense that it wasn't a shitshow like previous years. I'm sure you've at least seen the awful office rooms they had it in the prior year.
>muh powercreep
This hardly means anything if you ask me. We see blatent and aggressive powercreep here in magic yet the sky isnt falling.
There is no "slowly evolving" meta because the TCG (the West because I know you dont know fuck all) gets to see cards almost 3 months ahead of release and by day 1 of the paper game people have already figured out how to optimize things as well as take notes from the OCG (the East) meta being played out. You probably never see this because you don't know anything about the game and your content with just making shit up and making wild guesses.
You want something that's a problem? That release gap is the problem, people have worn out the meta before it even starts in paper. We want that fixed, trust me.

>>96459733
I have to wonder if they could have worded her in a less clunky way

>>96459820
brief cont.
And this problem and perceived problem is really only with the TCG side of things because it accounts for the majority of the global player base who speak a language you understand. When was the last time you asked or looked at what an OCG player how yugioh is doing? Probably never because you probably don't know there's a distinction or region split.
>Bans
Similar root of the problem as the above. The TCG side has already been playing and testing the card pool for 3 months at paper release. By the time we would expect a banlist related to those cards release months down the road from then you have to factor in those extra 3 months where people have optimized that pool from the get go. If something is a problem, it was figured out months ago and is global knowledge, but we're all forced to play with it for months until it's addressed as if those 3 months didn't exist.

>>96459432
>part of what made the format different...
No? That wasnt it at all

>>96459820
>>96459941
Seething yugitard.

>>96459820
None of your arguments had anything to do with what i said so idk why you quoted me.
YGO is shit because it's largely decided on turn -1, if your opponent has his combo starter and you don't have an out then it's already over.
And if you don't scoop immediately then you have to sit through an unbelievably boring 15 minute combo every match, it's just not a fun game.

>>96459584
what do you mean, I do fight WotC. In the past 5 years, my decks have gone from 10% of the decks' net worth being proxied to more than 50% now. And it will continue to grow if they don't turn their shit around.

you guys
are
homos
also my commander is the best commander

>>96460172
no mine is

>>96460172
Nuh uh, mine is.

>>96459790
>accused of being wotc cuck-shill
>all but confirms it by implying you don't recognize a format until it's officially sanctioned by Wizards.
Fucking queer.

>>96459432
I have Sol Ring in 0% of my decks. My friends still run shit like Mana Crypt in their decks. I beat them regularly because they're shitters despite my deck being at an inherent disadvantage because of their pushed cards.

As shit as the brackets are, it's a system we've desperately needed for years. It needs to be way more robust and specific. Gamechangers and vibes are too vague and cowardly. Mana Crypt and other banned cards are perfectly fine...in Bracket 4/5, so just label them as that. Every commonly used card needs its own bracket rating, ie Sol Ring is Bracket 3 minimum, if you put it in your decks you have a bracket 3 deck no ifs ands or buts.

But we'll never get a sensible system like that under WOTC. And the RC were too shortsighted to think of it.

>>96459785
>muh buzzwords
>actually just a dumb faggot who got mentally mogged and has no coherent reaponse.

>>96460014
What, do you want me to quote every single post in the reply chain? I'm addressing the larger conversation or did you not remember any of the garbage you typed?
>the game is over from the start
Comparing it to magic's standard for a fair comparison. I feel like that sentiment applies there as well.
I hope you found the answer(s) to my vivi cauldron bro because your ass is done for otherwise. The feeling is about the same except magic gives you fake turns to trick your brain into thinking you're getting out of it for several minutes while I jerk off vivi in my game of solitare you sometimes have something pointless to say or cast.

>>96460242
>anything that disagrees with me ill handwave as Jewish mental gymnastics btw
>u got mogged doe

>>96460288
There's a Yuioh thread up right now.
Why are you even here?
Ah let me guess because there's only like 5 people who ever post in YGO threads because the game is trash and nobody plays it or engages with content about it.
>Wee little Yugi-cel got a little desperate for human interaction and had to siddle on over to a real card game thread.

>>96460172
Your shins are gonna get so punched.

>>96460288
I mean yeah standard is ass too that's why this is the EDH thread.
It's definitely nowhere as decided by opening hands as YGO is tho.

>>96460242
God damn, you love to cry don't you kid?

Yeah, I'll spend $5 on a single UBsloppa card instead of buying a SL

>>96459706
I would say just replace the art but it would still be called parker luck lmao

>turn 4
>dark ritual
>cast pic rel, table seethes, promises of beating me
>turn 5
>fractured sanity

bracket 4 or 3?

>>96460447
2

Are you based enough to run the God sword?

>>96460447
bracket 5

>>96460421
There's a guy at my LGS that plays him as his commander. He has long greasy hair and awful teeth.

>>96460172
My commander is the queen of making losers tilt, cope and seethe. It is known.

Is it just me or have commander seen an influx of standard/modern spergs coming in tainting the games with their 'no one should have fun but me' mindset?

What are some good rakdos cards that dissuade people from going at me?
Whether it's threatening blockers, stuff that punishes people for targeting me or something like picrel, anything helps.

>>96460479
>It is known
Can you not make lame ass GOT references while trolling? As a fellow Tifa player it's embarassing.
Thanks sweetheart, appreciate it.

>>96460455
Yes.

>>96460484
Standard has been decimated by Vivi so I wouldn't be surprised if the spergs were 'jumping ship" until bans come down

>>96460441
Betal

>>96460522
Ok

>>96460568
>winking
>both eyes close
is this a meme?

>>96460568
She looks like she fucks dogs

>>96460604
That's a strange thing to say.

>>96460498
stuffydoll and brash taunter

>>96460479
LET ME WASH YOUR FEET, MY QUEEN!

>>96460455
Of course, it's in my (very uncreative) indestructible voltron deck

>>96460455
It encourages players to block(and face stiff penalties) in pic related
If they don't phasing/teferi's/indestructible keeps sensei and wipes the field.

>>96457403
Does kinda look like him. That one's alright, he's from Dominaria's version of Africa (Jamuraa).

tajic but it's the alchemy version

>>96460379
Because I also enjoy magic. You know you can enjoy more than one game at a time right? Or did WOTC make you sign a contract to suck their dick exclusively.
Imagine doing console war type of shit still to this day. Get over it, more than one enjoyable thing can exist.
>>96460406
I'm aware. I only bring it up because the 4 player dynamics and very casual mentality don't translate to many other games/formats even between commander and standard.
I agree it's not as decided but often times standard games feel very determined from your starting hand and if you're going first. There's plenty of shit hands and when you get them it's like an accident in slow motion. Both games can feel like this while you also have games where you are in the driver's seat and just roll your opp.
This is just card games at their core.

lowkey she cute

What was the website like Scryfall that allowed you to sort cards in a set by foil price? I thought I had it saved, guess not.

>>96460498
Kazuul is red's Propaganda. There's also Koskun falls and generic deathtouchers.

>>96460872
Mtggoldfish?

Huh?

>>96460907
Well, at least he's not a Deflecting Palm

>>96460907
Huh. I can see a flicker deck where you just save up a bunch of cards in exile and then wait for removal/board wipe, and then get a shitload of stuff back. Sounds neat

>>96460991
Would it work like that though? Wouldn't the cards be exiled forever if you flickered him?

>>96457143
1000%
that card needs an errata and reprint to curse.
like what the fuck are the designers even doin at wotc does BBC pandering all that matters !

>>96460901
No. It's a similar layout though. I'm not seeing the foil price sort option on the MTGGoldfish.

>>96460998
Hm. I actually don't know, because he doesn't say "return the cards exiled by him", only "return the exiled cards". You might be right

Card quality wise, this has to be the worst set since murders right?

>>96461031
Thanks anon. Always hidden in some bullshit menu instead of out in the open where you can see or search for it.

>>96461031
Jeez, what the hell is Quantum Riddler doing? I still need one for my Unesh deck...

>>96461028
These sets are planned out years in advance, retard.

Spiderman is going to sell like crack in Compton btw

>>96461047
Sure, shill.

>>96461003
uhm... le wasn't present in the set aside from that one card... so we didn't put it on the card because uhm.. uh..

>>96461012
The text implies cards exiled by himself for that specific instance. There's no stockpile potential based on how Im reading it.

Who's the best Commander for a deck built around 1-2 mana creatures? I'm tired of durdling every game, I want to be dumping 1-2 creatures out reliably every single turn and reviving them with the cheap mass resurrections aimed at lower mana/power creatures.

>>96461062
I'm thinking Karador...

This set should have had plot and crimes. Are we sure Outlaws wasn’t a UB set they retrofitted into Magic? Saddle doesn’t make sense in Marvel though.

>>96461062
Teshar

>>96461081
Lmao

>playing aggro raffine
>guy to my left is on some 5c control
>has been constantly resetting the board and hands all game with balancing act
>I've been hitting him with a buffed up raffine that I've held onto since he's had to use removal on the nikya player
>he has a notion thief out to steal my draws
>swing for lethal commander damage
>5c inkshields it
>animatou player counterspells the inkshield
>5c goes on a rant about how he's kingmaking and packs up
>neither nikya or animatou dig themselves out of their topdecking and I just draw into card advantage and roll them over
well I guess 5c was a bit right after all

>>96457729
I hate wedges.
Capenna was a cool idea fucked by real-world events and corporate cowardice

>>96461124
Delete this

>>96457729
Capena has always been cool. Good theming and some neat mechanics in those themes. I'm not sure if I'd want them to come back to it though. After the weird changes to Tarkir I shudder to think what they'd do to Capena now. Already it looked like they were doing weird shit with Ob Nixilis killing Xander while he was fucking around.

>>96461055
Traditionally, most Magic sets only used a handful of keyword mechanics, and WotC didn't want to overpromise "OH SHIT Surveil is in this set? HYPE, can't wait to see eleven other Surveil cards!" and have it be a one card cameo.

Since then they have realized most enfranchised players don't think that way, and have allowed cameos as needed per set.

Grievous Wound has no reason to be a curse flavorwise btw

>>96461057
A shame. The idea is super neato

>>96461055
This has been errata’d to say surveil.

>>96461144
Maybe not flavor wise, however I think it should be considered a curse as a part of the magic of the gathering metanarrative.

>>96460907
>If you do
This looks like it really screws him up. You can't even cheat this with effects like Not Dead After All because of how it's worded, can you?

Based or cringe?

I keep bandying about the concept of an oops all creatures golgari deck so I can run the companion. I've made a couple different lists but none of them have felt particularly inspired.
Can you post your favorite Golgari cards? They don't have to be creatures, post anything as long as it's BG.

>>96461181
Is there space in Magic for negative enchant players that are not curses? What is it if not physical player damage vs curses magical player damage?

>>96461230
pretty neutral. if I had to pick one, I'd have to say cringe, but its not that bad, honestly. I've played against it a couple of times and didn't have a bad time.

>>96461230
My first commander. I haven't played her in a while, I'm going to have to tighten up the list a bit and bring her to my next commander night.

>>96461240
I have all creatures Savra. It's a fun deck that's on the lower end of power thanks to the restriction. Unfortunately I've never had a chance to cast Umori, the 3 mana to put in hand just makes it too slow.

>>96458718
I don’t understand this mindset. You really think that anyone who enjoys the works of Tolkien must, by definition, like a product that shoehorns his work into an unfitting ruleset? I have an entire bookcase dedicated to his works, from The Hobbit to his poetry, and I have refused to spend even a single cent on the abomination that was the UB set. Same as I would refuse to buy a Thunderbolt Fantasy or any other property that I have enjoyed: I’m not such a media-addicted whore that I have to buy the Funko Pops and any other product that happens to feature something I enjoyed in another context.

All counter spells should be game changers.
Makes no sense that deflecting swat is one but mana drain isn't.

>>96461358
Freecast is magnitudinally stronger than some extra colorless mana

>>96461194
Or he's just repeatable hard exile removal on a stick, which is not bad.

>>96461369
Extra colorless mana + your opponent potentially lost an entire turn

>>96461358
>Mana Drain is busted therefore every counterspell is
Truly insightful thoughts, Timmy. You know PBlast and REB are still legal, right? Surely 1 mana isn't too much for you to hold up.

>>96461377
Yeah they can all go, they're not all busted but they're all badly designed and unfun (which is the entire point of playing this game).

>>96461375
lol

>>96461386
Owned, slave.

>>96461384
Okay I vote we ban the entire color red because burn combos and rituals are unfun.

>>96461397
Okay but you're wrong.

>>96461124
Love this little guy.

>>96461384
If counterspells didn't exist everyone would run purely ramp, tutors and combo and games would consistently end on turn 3-4 unless someone played stax

>>96461437
They surely would in tryhard brackets, which is where most counterspells should be relegated to!