Thread 2808944

Rocking Boat edition

>Last Thread: >>2803593

>What is this thread? Why are there two companies?
Disney parks were initially founded as a way to celebrate the culture and history of America and provide middle class families with a fun-filled immersive experience. While theme parks are the main focus of these threads (and the title of the general) there is also discussion on other roller coasters & rides, as well as the parks themselves and trip planning too. That's where /rcg/ comes in.
>Can I talk about Disney/Universal parks in this thread?
Absolutely! Disney and Universal are currently competing for the Orlando theme park market and beyond! Universal is opening new resorts all around the US and new continents!

Park Crowd Tracker:
>https://queue-times.com/en-US/parks

Roller Coaster Database:
>https://rcdb.com/

Amusement Park News Sites:
>https://www.themeparkinsider.com/
>https://www.screamscape.com/
>https://www.coaster101.com/

Disney Park News:
>https://www.wdwnt.com/
>https://www.wdwmagic.com/
>https://www.allears.net
>https://www.mousesteps.com

Universal Park News:
>https://www.insideuniversal.net

Is there any value to visiting a theme park as a family if there are no actual kids in the family?

My mom wants to go on a family vacation next year, so I asked her to make a list of her Top 10 places she wants to visit. Every location in her Top 10 just so happens to have a major theme park.

Of course, we have the option of not going to a theme park at all, but since there's a high likelihood we're going to a major theme park's location, should we just go for it?

Less then a month until d23
Figment revamp WILL happen this year

>>2808947
Depends on the park. What are the locations you're considering?

>>2808947
Yes, I loved going to Disney with my parents this year. Of course make sure whoever’s there will actually be interested in whatever theme park you do.

>>2808949
I think they'll be forced to announce another big development or two because they've lost so much good will and apparently attendance is down significantly. I'm just hoping for a SSE update in the near future (yes I know it's about to get a minor refurb). Also, add more slides to Typhoon Lagoon you cowards

>>2808947
At this point theme parks pander to adults more than kids

>>2808949
You mean a hastily assembled concept art package that is never delivered upon?

I went to Hong Kong Disneyland. Was pretty rad.

>>2809005
Get the Fell For It Again medallions ready

A riddler attraction where they give you riddles that you have to solve. And they're really really really hard. Only one theme park guest has ever solved them, me.

A scooby doo ride where the paintings have eyes cut out and the eyes follow you. And you can poke them and they are actually buttons and they say ow.

>>2809018
Tell us more

>>2808947
Do it. They're memories you'll be glad to have later on.

Just be wary of pure coaster parks where 1 or both the parents may have little to ride.

>>2808949
It isn't a major year this year so I can't imagine many big announcements. The expansions turning into a third gate at Anaheim seems like it's going to happen but Disney would be hyping the fuck out of a new park announcement.

Epcot seems likely for announcements, prime candidates being Spaceship Earth, Figment and Mary Poppins (the UK pavillion has got much more popular since I first visited, possibly coinciding with the increase in popularity of Fish & Chips and another kid friendly ride to spread queues throughout the countries is needed).

That presentation of the Magic Kingdom and Disney Studios changes makes me think there won't be anything to show there. Possibly some details about the Encanto Ride (hoping for Mickey's Railroad tech)

Paris has a (at the moment fairly mid) expansion opening next year to hype, Lion King land to expand on and the rumours of a Star Wars coaster in the castle park, possibly also the next project for Adventure World

If anyone wants a detailed but not especially padded over-view of the Universal UK plans, this is a good video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wak-AUBKR1M

Couple of things I missed: they're building some sound stages with HHN in mind. There's also hidden in there what looks to be a side profile for what could be a Jurassic Park (or maybe Wicked) coaster at 11:05. The layout remains really weird, weird huge figure 8 half loop/turn but otherwise a very smooth layout, I'm increasingly of the view that it's not going have standard cars, it'll either be riding or stand up.

>>2808947
I went Orlando last year with my parents, my gf, my sister and her fella. Parents are in their 50s and were all early 20s. We went to all the parks in Orlando apart from the water parks. We had a good time, I'd say its definitely worth it.

>>2809005
The only reason the 2018-2020 stuff got canned is because covid closed the parks for months to in some cases a year and they had no income for awhile, so the budget had to be taken from that to keep paying employees and making things stable
Everything they announce from 2022 onward will and is happening unless the parks close again or WWIII happens

>>2808947
Is your Mom me? How did you find this site

>>2809074
I hate liberals so much

>>2809062
Why didn't Disney ever build a park in the UK?

>>2809095
Covid closures were under trump but you do you

>>2809096
They considered it but decided against it and went with Paris allegedly

Apparently the reasons were:
>weather (Paris on paper is only slightly better but isn't quite as grey)
>Paris being a road drive from so many countries
>Paris is more Glamourous, Eisner's wife liked shopping in Paris (yes that was a reason), people could do day trips to Paris whilst staying at the hotels

Didn't account for:
>The Fr*nch being the Fr*nch
>No one is going to travel from Marne La Vallee to Paris for a day trip whilst spending stupid money on a Disney Hotel
>Most of Europe isn't as big on theme parks as the UK is

Both Universal and Disney were looking at sites around Dartford in the 90s (Thames Estuary area, close to where The London Resort was never going to be built) . Universal got spooked by the prospect of being Greater-Crested-Newted (lots of protected marshland around there) and bought Port Aventura in Spain instead (and then sold it again after getting cold feet on it)

Im honestly surprised Universal is going ahead with the UK park and I'm not sure if it will even succeed. Our weather is fuckin wank and I'd still rather go Orlando than down south for coasters

>>2809118
Orlando will cost you £6K

A weekend in Bedford will cost you £400

>>2809120
yeah but i gotta go to fuckin bedford mate

>>2809118
I keep meeting and reading about tons of bongs that have been to Orlando many times in their short lives. No way that’s a cheap trip so it must only be the upper class ones doing it. This lets the lower class bongs have a shot.

I do not care for Velocicoaster.

>>2809128
I dunno, we went when I was a kid and we certainly weren't middle class. Think my mum and dad just saved like mad cunts and we didn't go on a proper holiday for a few years. We also got lucky on GBP/USD conversion because of the financial crisis. When I was a teenager my family were much better off though but I think it was way more expensive than it used to be. Maybe I'm wrong but most people see a trip to Orlando as a holiday first and a theme park trip second. A trip to bedford is hardly a holiday. I'll probably be proven wrong and it will be a massive success.

>>2809128
Orlando is THE holiday you save for as a Brit. You go through a couple of years as Benidorm or Butlins as your big holiday whilst saving for it. That said, it's only in recent years where the costs have become really eye watering. Before Avatar opened I was able to book a holiday for two for about £1600 for two weeks including all tickets, now that would cost £3500+

>>2809134
As a Floridian, the thought of people yearning for Orlando is extremely amusing to me. If you wanna visit the US, go to the Grand Canyon or Hawaii.

>>2809131
There are three socioeconomic classes in the US and bongland is probably the same: 1. never goes to Disney 2. goes to Disney once 3. goes to Disney every year. You were in class 2 so not the one I mentioned. What I’m talking about are the bongs who went to Disney so many times they say they “grew up” doing it.
>most people see a trip to Orlando as a holiday first and a theme park trip second
What is there to do in Orlando that isn’t a theme park? I’m gonna guess you mean other places in Florida during the same trip.
>>2809135
I mean I get it. There’s no other city like it for theme parks and only LA comes close.
>Grand Canyon
Overrated I think. Moab is much better for the combination of Canyonlands (already better) and Arches.
>Hawaii
Yep that’s about as good as it gets.

>>2809142
>What is there to do in Orlando that isn’t a theme park? I’m gonna guess you mean other places in Florida during the same trip
I dont really know what I meant desu I was going purely off how I've felt going. My family arent particularly into theme parks, our local is Alton Towers and I think weve been maybe twice. It always felt like a holiday that happened to be at theme parks, i know that sounds retarded but like I said im going off pure feeling kek

>>2809149
Well what else did you guys do there?

>>2809164
Kennedy Space Center is not far as well as some of the best beaches in the world. Coastal small towns with great restaurants are everywhere. Orlando is a ghetto outside of the theme parks.

>>2809171
That’s what I figured. By Orlando you mean central Florida which makes a lot more sense. Also explains why you’d still prefer Orlando to Bongland Universal.

>>2809171
Southwest Orlando: elite tier
Everywhere else: mid to shit tier

Post
>number of credits you have
>how many 10/10s you’ve given (optional: which rides)

Teenage girls and latina moms are like "Yep, time to pick out my outfit for the theme park full of dads"

>>2809206
I don’t count “credits”. I don’t ride coasters just for the credit. I don’t ride kiddy coasters unless my kids ask me to ride them. I’ve probably been on over 100 coasters though.
10/10s? Steel Vengeance, Iron Gwazi, Fury 325, Millennium Force, Maverick, Hagrid’s (VC was closed the only time I’ve been there in the last few years), Diamondback and Mako, Outlaw Run, and Top Thrill 2 the one non-rattling ride I had on it was amazing. Not in any order but Steel Vengeance and Iron Gwazi are the two best coasters I’ve been on

>>2809223
It’s just the faggy way thoosies say “I have ridden this many roller coasters”. I don’t think they actually think people are crediting them with anything.

>>2809223
How much of a step up in intensity is Iron Gwazi and Steve from the others?

>Steve
>Millie
>Maggie
Gay tryhard shit

>>2809223
Forgot El Toro. Also a 10/10
>>2809232
From the ones I listed, IMO they’re all in the same class except Hagrid’s which would lean more toward family coaster (but it has 7 launches and the devil’s snare part). Iron Gwazi is more intense than Steel Vengeance but Steel Vengeance is the better ride IMO because of that and because it’s longer. Outlaw Run is much shorter but has similar elements and feels more organic and rough because of the wood. TT2’s speed and the forces going backwards and then up and over the twists in the top hat are pretty intense too. Maverick’s strong airtime and whipiness are intense. I don’t think one would need to step up from Mako or Fury to IG or SV

>>2809206
108
Pantheon, Apollo’s Chariot, Diamondback, Hagrid’s, Phoenix

>>2809210
I swear women just use "its hot outside" as an excuse to be naked
Bless the big booty latinas who wore tennis skirts in front of me on Tron though

>>2808955
The thing is they already shot their shot. That is Tropics Americas, Monsters, Cars, and Villains. That is a huge amount of big projects that wont solve immediate issues from economy and less international travel, but long run will drive more interest and sales. Even if they announced any big project right now it would be 5 years off and the issues might be solved. They cant announce big things to fix the next several years and might even make people stall trips, so I do not think they announce big projects to get out of an economic drought period
More important is losing River and Muppets pissed off the whales a lot and it is not good to piss off your big fans who spend frequently with you, especially if Epic is opened. That to means the Imagination break glass in case of emergency criteria has finally be met, the same way Epic got them to finally do the door coaster and villains

>Asia
>3111 steel coasters
>24 woodies

>Yurope
>1490 steel
>38 wood

>South America
>195 steel
>1 wood

Why aren’t woodies embraced outside of North America?

>>2809286
I said it in the last thread, I'm convinced they'll announce one big super secret reveal that's essentially just a blue sky concept to create some more buzz/positive PR. Whether or not it gets built will be a different story. I think SSE reimagining announcement is likely, Figment updates/redo, bringing back the Mary Poppins ride they announced 6 years ago, and my real wildcard is the Lion King boat ride to AK AND a drone show.
I'm weirdly excited for D23 this year just because Disney has done such a bad job and destroyed so much good will that I'm curious to see if they continue to tank their credibility further or realize their retardation and start slowly fixing things.

>>2809287
Aren’t they more of an American thing to begin with? They’re also a pain to maintain and need constant retracking. Among other reasons. Lots of woodies here getting Titan Track or 208 ReTraK. If not converted into hybrids.

>>2809289
d23 is kind of funny because it has turned into guessing what ride is being replaced they have not announced as closing, or if they got lucky and found an expansion
That is kind of the issue with them too, now it is too much pessimism expecting a closed classic attraction if something interesting is announced, a good too to be true moment

>>2809290
>They’re also a pain to maintain and need constant retracking.
Parks propagate this myth that they're soooo hard to maintain. Lumber is not hard to maintain, it is easier and cheaper to work with than steel and more forgiving too. But it does take dedicated labor (carpenters) and time, and labor + time is money, and if parks can avoid adding full time personnel, they will.

The wood coasters that are truly hard to maintain were those giant woodies from the 90s like Mean Streak and Son of Beast. Above a certain height it becomes pointless to use wood, parks found that out the hard way. New wood coasters are pretty rare these days too and I don't think we'll ever see a park try to go above about 130 feet on a new build for that reason. (The steel tracked coasters like RMC are a completely different story.)

>>2809294
I also think the 60+ mph woodies are too fast (not counting the topper track RMCs with their cement tracks and lots of steel supports). And anything over 130ft is going to be in that speed range. The ending helix of The Beast is like 65mph making it very rough and feeling like it will derail

>>2809287
humidity

>>2809287
>Why aren’t woodies embraced outside of North America?
Early on nearly all of the expertise to build them was located in the US and many parts of the world didn't build amusement parks (as we think of them) until after the steel coaster had been introduced. In general wood coasters are on the decline and have been for a while.

>>2809313
>The ending helix of The Beast is like 65mph making it very rough and feeling like it will derail
Imo a curved drop is harder on wooden coasters than a straight drop. One of the problems with the Beast are those 4 bench trains. Essentially the vehicle is transferring the downward and lateral forces of 2 four-seater cars into one. So all that force will go into the track at fewer points, producing more force on the track wherever the wheels are.

Personally I wish they'd have put some Millennium Flyers on it, having a wheel/guide/upstop under each row spreads all those forces out on the track. The tradeoff is a little more friction but on The Beast they've always run it kind of slow anyway (for maintenance cost savings). That would have been an expensive change though.

Repost
>>2804048
I should and want to, but I'm more of a drawer than a video man. I'd be editing it in movie maker lol. but I have Ideas:
>I've wanted to talk about how Tiana fails and splash succeeding at storytelling
As a gamer, >I want to discuss the open world aspects of the parks, ala https://youtu.be/l4cxstiC5LY?si=P_nwD2oQprztILQC [Embed]
Guests need yellow paint
>Proposing 3 Sonic the Hedgehog attractions
My autism might scare the hoes
>A whole ass review and analysis of Disneyland
Now that's a far off project, I'd probably do USH and Knott's first.
>'Fixing' Tomorrowland
>Proposing/armchairing my own Disney Park
>Proper Visual Storytelling in themed parks.
I'd like to share these Ideas but I am fearing the consequences.
>>2804298
>Just overall I find myself missing someone to bounce off of especially in queues which are boring af and I don't wanna sit on my phone.
Me and my sibling are assholes so we usually make fun of the park, analyze the park, laugh at the freaks at the park, make in-jokes. Awesome stuff.
If I was alone I'd probably assault someone.
>>2804639
new bad, old good. shrimple as that.
>>2805353
I care about sightlines, but I also don't mind if the whole world looks nice together, It's shrimple art and design guys.
>>2808340
Never understood the idea of credits, I'm more of a park 103% completion guy

>>2809331
>In general wood coasters are on the decline and have been for a while.
My dad said that 20 years ago but look at all the great woodies we’ve gotten since then.

Zimmerman is out at Six Flags
https://ca.investing.com/news/company-news/six-flags-ceo-richard-zimmerman-to-step-down-by-end-of-2025-93CH-4139088

>>2809206
>Credits: A lot, but not as many as autists who actually count that shit.
>10/10s for varying reasons: Eejanaika, Fujiyama, Velocicoaster, Expedition Everest, the Mummy.

Disney earnings call was this morning. They made gorillions somehow. It's over.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/06/disney-dis-earnings-q3-2025.html

>>2809441
>increase in guest spending.

No shit the parks are way pricier now for everything.

>>2809452
They will learn the wrong lesson on everything lmao

>>2809289
Can't see Lion King coming to AK as it's way too close to Splash Mountain. They layout isn't the same but it's close enough that it'd be weirdly close.

They'd be better revisiting one of the Moana concepts.

>>2809287
Weather and height restrictions. Once steel took over they plummeted in popularity. The majority of Wooden coasters in the UK for example are historical ones.

>>2809320
>humidity
>>2809462
>Weather
Really doesn't have anything to do with it

>>2809460
They have 4 omnimovers at WDW, I don't think they care about that

>>2809441
Disney has too big of a moat to really be challenged in the entertainment space.

>>2809441
Disneyland/World seriously was the best decision Disney ever made, probably the best decision any entertainment company ever made. Not even international tourists cancelling is stopping steady attendance
That also means they better not skimp out on renovating the place

>>2808944 (OP)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8y0hC4FH-aY

>>2809485
Wtf is it with caring about fuckin internationals and what they do

>>2809489
Internationals usually pay more each trip and are numbers overall, financially they care if there is a downturn
We don’t care because we want to see less of them

>>2809441
>stock down 2.35% today
IT’S JOEVER

>>2809485
It’s the only consistent money. Ratings and box office will rise and fall, but there will always be good weather in Anaheim and Orlando.

>>2809343
I don't understand why but the difference between going alone and going with at least one person is huge. It is VERY depressing to go alone.

>>2809492
I don't like internationals and don't want our parks catering to them. I do like UK and other similar cultures.

>>2809441
.

>>2808944 (OP)
To me one of the saddest things in the world was the liberal takeover of Disney. Its a wonderful wholesome all American place. And the liberals couldn't destroy it's joy so they made it theirs.

>>2809210
Are there really that many illegals? Last I checked which was over a decade ago, it was still white. One of the last public places that was still white.

>>2809506
I'm going to have to find a way of getting used to going places on my own. My first experiment with the most minor of trips alone did not go well. Has to get easier I suppose.

>>2809497
I really can't understand the stock situation and I might slurp the dip. Their numbers look good and if they ever start making decent movies again they'll be even better. The only thing I can think of is they've spent a retarded amount on ESPN/sports/WWE etc and they seem to have no real plan there.

>>2809510
Is this the same poll which ranked Fun Spot above USF, which was also ranked above Disneyland?

>>2809513
>illegals
Not too many in the parks, but their grown mexican children let in during the Reagan years have ethnically converted Anaheim to basically Mexico. Florida is full of similar mexicans but also tons and tons of south american international tourists

>>2808944 (OP)
Yall when are these kids going to be tucked away in their indoctrination jails already

>>2809528
Ohh I was talking about Magic Kingdom. The big plague in Florida is Puerto Ricans.

>>2809517
You should get a seasonal job, make a few friends, and go with them. They get in free. I used to try to go alone and it would make me suicidal. Going with people is seriously therapy and the best time you'll have on this planet till Jesus comes back.

>>2809527
I got it from a relative who hates Disney but loves boring shit. They scoff at anything that isn't down home and natural. For example, they hate ALL Sci Fi.

>>2809511
>dollywood is antiwoke!!!
do these braindead subhuman boomers not know who dolly parton is

>>2809537
funny how every time i go to wdw i see countless girls hotter than sneedey

>>2809543
Dolly will say what the libs want to hear but she sings gospel and doesn't push it. She is also classy like a Conservative and not a loud mouthed bitch like liberals.

https://youtu.be/39HeMsu5yWU?feature=shared

>>2809543
Who cares at least she's white.

>>2808944 (OP)
When does school start in your district?

Did they fix the drop on Ministry yet? I know one of the Universal TMs for HPW posts here.

I need to know before I buy another ticket.

>>2809552
what was broken about the drop?

>>2809554
Supposedly the drop made the ride emergency shut-down too much so they took out the drop.

>>2809506
An element I think changes things is how familiar you are with the park. I’ve been to Universal and Disney both alone and with family and it’s definitely better with family. However I’ve been to half a dozen new parks alone this year and had a blast. Maybe because everything I was seeing was such a novelty that it was much better than I could take it all in and try everything I wanted and explore without distraction or getting sidetracked or having to worry about other people’s wants. If I went to those parks a second time it might be better to have someone there I could share them with.

>>2809274
I forgot about Phoenix. I think Phoenix is probably a 10/10 for me too. It’s smooth and full of airtime and the openness of the the train below your feet and the buzz bars make it stronger. Also Knoebels does a great job maintaining it. If you told me it was a new wooden coaster I would believe it. I rode it for the first time this year.

>>2809540
>I used to try to go alone and it would make me suicidal.
Normie problems. The only reason going places alone used to make me sad was because my I thought it made me a loser, that I needed to be with other people because… I just did okay??? This drove me to socialize more, I got into plenty of crowds and realize I didn’t like being with other people anyway. That voice that told me I can’t go places alone is silent now, and I much prefer being alone.

>>2809559
Which is amazing considering it’s older than the president.

>>2809525
it's plateaued for years now. any gains they make via the parks get offset by ESPN and D+

>>2809567
D+ is truly amazing. Disney used to release their films for home video in the most jewish way imaginable - extremely expensive VHS tapes released in limited quantities to fuel FOMO with that process repeating every few years. It made them so much money it’s unreal.

And today, by their own choices, they have the opposite problem. For like $15 a month you can view almost any Disney movie, including ones that came out very recently. It’s the most unjewish thing ever and it’s almost bankrupted them.

>>2809554
The ride uses a single seat belt strap across the waist similar to how Jimmy Fallon locks you in. Because of this, the ride has sensors all over the place to make sure a guest isn't falling out since the front of the ride vehicle is completely open and the ride vehicle is elevated quite a bit.

I was hoping they'd fix the drop, but it might end up like the extra dementors on FJ or original Jaws ride explosion ending. Too based for this world.

>it's another timtracker disney cruise arc
I would like to try a Disney cruise one day (i was trying to do one this year before my mom had a stroke), but I can't really imagine the appeal for theme park fans. It seems like a lot of the theme park adjacent experiences you could get on any of the disney ships could be had better on land. Also didn't disney cruise line basically create the fad of shoving a fucking bar into everything? I don't drink so it's laughable to me that bars are considered an activity.
I guess sometimes they have good stage shows?

>>2809574
Would you go on the disney cruise coaster?

>>2809576
you can bet it'd be a 60 minute wait all day every sea day

>>2809576
Not a cred!

Joking aside it's weird someone actually bought a mauer spike coaster. They've more models than actually sold coasters. Always looked a bit forceless, like a worse version of the Arrow powered mine trains.

On the subject of Disney Cruises, would like to try one but they're so fucking expensive, the haunted mansion bar on the new one looks neat. They're building something like 6 new ships hopefully they'll base one at southampton, would mind trying a weekend cruise as those are less eye watering

>>2809562
No, you don't get it. I am a huge loner. Why do you think I'm here? But when it comes specifically to going to Disney with all the happy couples, friends, family, kids...I get really depressed.

>>2809577
Capacity of what, 400 an hour on a ship that'll have 5500 passengers on average? It probably be a 20-30 minute wait, especially as I can see them limiting how many goes you get or charging for it.

Think the ship has another neat looking (but probably too short) water coaster too

>>2809562
Its hard for me to have fun there with no one to share it with. People also look at me like I'm a predator because I'm alone.

>>2809557
There is something about laughing with someone after being on a great ride.

>>2808944 (OP)
https://youtu.be/h5p5v_nVE6M?feature=shared
Am I right?

>>2809581
If you were really a loner you wouldn’t, or at least shouldn’t, desire the situations of those people. For me the sleep alone is almost reason enough to stay single. I already have a difficult time with sleep. Light noise wake me up. And if I don’t sleep well I don’t feel well. Sharing a room and bed with someone else every night forever sounds extremely risky at the very least. And if I somehow got used to it? Then kids would ruin it all over again. And of course I would never really be alone again if I was married, certainly if I had kids. And managing my own stress takes a lot. You’re telling me I have to be responsible for my wife and kids as well as myself?

I’m not saying I don’t sometimes want the highlight reels of families and couples, such as Disney trips. I’m thankful to be able to be uncle to my brother and sister’s kids, and that’s really all I need to get my fill there.

For friends, it’s just been a while since I’ve known someone non-family I really like spending time with. I see what normies do and talk about with their friends. I’m not interested. So I don’t wish to have friends either.

Now do I wish I had the mindset of someone who DID want a wife, kids, and friends? I mean, sure. I wish a lot of things. But I also know, even being a loner, I’m better off than most people in the world today, and if you throw in all the past years in history I could have been born into with their own wars, famines, lack of modern medicine, lack of roller coasters, it could have been much, much worse than having the life I actually do.

Fuck, anon, 1 in 5 people have to live in India, and all you have to do is go to a theme park alone.

Rumor is going around that this is the final year for Peanuts at former Cedar Fair Parks. The license expires at the end of 2025 (see https://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/202407/10328/) and while they have a 5 year renewal option the bad state of the chain means they likely wont take it. 40% off Peanuts merchandise sales are going on at Kings Island and there has been some reports they even brought in some Looney Tunes merch at the shops
Expect a quick retheme of all the Camp/Planet Snoopy themed areas to Looney Tunes (or even just generic kids areas) over the offseason.

>>2809595
Bringing the Peanuts characters into the fold with the WB properties was one of the selling points of the merger to investors and they've just invested in updates to Camp Snoopys at several parks.

>>2809574
If you have kids and aren't poor they're perfect. If you go as a creepy single adult you're going to have a miserable time unless you're a majorly hardcore Disney autist

>>2809567
They make money on streaming now

>>2809598
>Bringing the Peanuts characters into the fold with the WB properties was one of the selling points of the merger
Execs lie and plans change, not a surprise
This was actually similar to when Cedar Fair bought Paramount parks and planned to keep Nickelodeon for a few years too. They also updated some of them a year before they were removed
>They've just invested in updates to Camp Snoopys at several parks.
And the same as above, they also made a huge update to Six Flags America and are shutting it down lol

>>2809606
I hope Knott's keeps some semblance given it's history with Schultz himself.

>>2809595
This is just deceptive headline clickbait. The contract expires and is renewed all the time. Possibly every year, I forget but it’s a really short interval. This isn’t a rumor, it’s speculation based on the expiration. The rumor making the rounds says the opposite, that they are most likely putting in a Peanuts-themed kids area next year for SFGA in Gurnee, IL and possibly ditching Looney Tunes. They have a licensing agreement to use Looney Tunes until 2053 but it still involves royalties. I don’t think they’ll drop them either since I’m pretty sure it’s tied to WB and DC and they don’t have the budget to retheme everything for any of these IPs. But Snoopy especially has been super popular for about 3 years, more popular than he’s been in decades. Part of this is the Apple TV+ shows but the other part is Gen Z and Alpha liking Snoopy. Looney Tunes hasn’t been as successful despite attempts like that space jam bomb. Guarantee Peanuts makes them a lot of money in merchandise too, all the legacy CF parks have a Peanuts store

>>2809587
AK to C. I’m not sure if I could put Epcot above MK, although if I returned I would certainly spend the most time there, and Guardians is probably the best ride in the resort. I just know it would take a lot longer to do everything there while you could ride everything at MK in a day and a half.

>>2809460
I am so annoyed as fuck with this company somehow not getting their climates
They wont give AK the log flume (apparently saying if LK will come to AK it wont be the log flume) despite how it fits Florida weather and would cement it as a day park, but give it to Paris where it is freezing half the time.
Meanwhile they give Florida the no shade Toy Story Hellscape land
This company is really bad at making rides adapting to each locations climate, they think everywhere is California

>>2809628
If they didn't limit the Looney Tunes to kids area's it'd be more successful. The next gen already like them

>>2809642
SFGAdv and SFGA (and probably others) use the IP throughout the parks. Sometimes poorly thought out. But the only themed rides with them I can think of are kids rides. Character meet and greets are near entrances and scattered throughout the parks. I don’t think they’re getting rid of any of these three IPs and if they did some other parks would pick them up. Possibly even Universal, they have Snoopy’s theme park rights in Japan. And once upon a time they were interested in both DC and Looney Tunes plus have good relations with WB

>>2809595
40% off sale is a clearance section, Cedar Point has the same selection of merch as KI on a small wall in their Peanuts store for 40% off. I wouldn’t read into that too much. The additional parks might be making negotiating a contract renewal a little different this round though.

>>2809628
>and they don’t have the budget to retheme everything for any of these IPs
They won't retheme them, they'll detheme them like Intimidator 305 and Top Gun. They'll pluck out those Batmobiles and take down the Batman signage. Change the name, of course. Do a little landscaping and maybe some paint here and there. For a lot of Superman rides they'll just have to remove some signs and rename them. It's cheaper to detheme than it is to renew the contract. I don't see them letting go of DC, but Looney Tunes as a whole seems to have flatlined.

>>2809601
Take that with a pinch of salt. They've been moving costs from Disney+ to other departments (especially the theatrical side of things) to hide losses since it was created

>>2809670
They’re not going to detheme all the new snoopy rides at Carowinds, Kings Island, and Knott’s. Or any of the rides for these 3 IPs. Yes they did it before but it still costs a lot of money. It’s not equivalent to putting a little money into SFA and then deciding to close it.

The investor call yesterday said Cedar Point, Kings Island, Canada’s Wonderland, Knott’s and Kings Dominion were the highest earning parks in the combined chain. The highest earning Six Flags park is MM and it’s below all these. This is not a merger of equals, it’s Cedar Fair picking up a lot of trash that they didn’t need. I just don’t see them spreading around that trash to their legacy parks. Looney Tunes isn’t even in every SF park, Snoopy is in more parks than Looney Tunes. Anyways, this seems to be fake news from Theme Park Brandon that got picked up by Don Helbig for some reason. Apparently they already renewed a contract or something like that.

>>2809628
The one issue is this company is in a nosedive right now. They aren’t really in the position to keep both licenses if they have to do this massive of cuts. Looney Tunes comes with DC, and really you are choosing between LT/DC or Peanuts
And Peanuts is simply the easier thing to remove. The LT/DC contract is until 2053, and while it is more costly and unfavorable terms it is harder to get out of (if someone like Universal would pay them to get out of it they’d gladly take it), while Peanuts expires every 5 years and simply not renewing is the easiest way to get out of it
LT/DC is also more baked into the parks and far harder and costly to remove. With Peanuts they just have to remove portions of the smaller kids area and make it a more generic space/camp theme.
It would go more for circumstances then anything

>>2809796
*And Carowinds, Cedar Point, Kings Islams, Canada’s Wonderland, Carowinds, Knott’s and Kings Dominion are the highest earners. In other words, Cedar Point plus all the legacy Paramount Parks minus CGA outearn every legacy SF park. Which we should already know considering CF’s parks made more money the past couple years than all the SF parks (despite SF having more parks)

>>2809797
It’s not moving, the source is Theme Park Brandon. Unless you think he’s more reliable than a stopped clock. It’s sad that Don Helbig picked it up from him.

>>2809796
I don’t think these are successful parks because they have Snoopy lol. They have had better investments and ran better under CF, and customers actually realize when parks are worth going to.
This is showing more just how badly managed Six Flags parks were. There is no real excuses why Magic Mountain or Great Adventure isn’t outperforming any of them besides maybe Knott’s. Once the purge all the shitters from the chain they hopefully can get them in order

>>2809799
That it is being brought up outside that one clickbaiter leads me to think there’s a bit more going on there then just him as a reference
It’ll become obvious during fall season if they renewed or not, namely if nothing happens vs a very obvious sign

>>2809801
Haven't they literally just opened two Snoopy coasters with custom trains? That's not something you do if you suspect you're losing a licence

What exactly is “refurbished” about the RMC hybrids? Aren’t they completely new rides? Do they use the old pieces of wood or something?

>>2809801
That’s not what I meant, I mean you don’t Six Flagsatize your top earning parks. But replacing Snoopy with Looney Tunes at Knott’s would be blasphemy. Great Adventure and Magic Mountain could both use some official hotels. Especially Great Adventure (not counting the overpriced limited number of glamping sites). They’re all an hour plus from the population centers they are near which for me is no problem for a day trip but for a lot of people they prefer to overnight. Cedar Point draws from Cleveland, Toledo, and Detroit but has several official hotels in addition to all the other ones in the surrounding area. MM should be doing better since it’s year round but GAdv needs some work to be compared with Cedar Point or Kings Island again.

>>2809804
The article above is old. The only recent source I found is Theme Park Brandon basing it on a clearance section of Peanuts merchandise at KI. But they almost always have a clearance section there and at other stores. Former KI president Don Helbig also wrote about it in his blog but he seems to be repeating Theme Park Brandon. Those are making the rounds. Some on Reddit said the contract was already renewed so who knows.
>>2809809
Yes. And a water ride at Carowinds. And they expanded KI’s land and themed it to Camp Snoopy. And Knott’s expanded theirs. This would be way more expensive to detheme or retheme than whatever they lost from the money they put into theming SFA and plus they can use the Superman new trains elsewhere.

>>2809811
They re-use the wooden support structure. Steel Vengeance contains 80% of Mean Streak’s wooden structure. Iron Gwazi contains 40% of Gwazi’s though and is mostly new construction

>>2809796
>Yes they did it before but it still costs a lot of money
Not really

>>2809809
>Haven't they literally just opened two Snoopy coasters with custom trains? That's not something you do if you suspect you're losing a licence
In large organizations the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing most of the time. That's why they were adding a new themed land and rides to SFA right before the announcement came down it was closing.

At any rate a "custom" Snoopy train just means it has custom fiberglass molding on the train, that gets taken off and destroyed and new pieces get put on, the characters get removed, a new sign gets put up. That's not free but it's not going to cost the park that much, most of that work is done in-house.

>>2809811
>Aren’t they completely new rides?
To the park, its insurers, and the state, they're completely new rides.

>>2809819
You mean pieces of the old structure that have been moved around, or they literally designed the track to go through part of the old structure?

>>2809798
>Kings Islams
Inshallah Vortex shall get its replacement

>>2809837
RMC will come out to the park and use a LIDAR system to scan the existing ride into a 3D computer model. From there, designers will decide what the new ride will look like based on the existing one, what the park wants, and their budget.

After that's figured out, some contractors will come in and cut out the timber that won't be used. The old track is also cut up and removed at this time. Depending on what the new ride will be like, only a little will be cut off (often the lift hill stays about the same) or entire bents will be removed down to the footer. After that, new timber is added as needed. Then they add the track and begin testing.

The old timber that was removed gets discarded, they often just cut it out with chainsaws. Nothing you can do with it. When they open it's easy to tell the old timber from the new unless they painted the entire ride.

>>2809733
I think the whole point is they literally don't have to do that anymore. And either way they still made a huge profit this quarter.

>>2809842
Some of Gwazi’s wood was re-used to make Seaworld’s rescue gift shop. There is a sign there saying this. I think it also wound up somewhere else at Busch Gardens but I don’t remember

>>2809842
Seems very gimmicky. I’m not sure I understand the purpose. According to wikipedia, Gwazi had “declining ridership” and “developed a reputation for delivering a rough ride”, while Wildcat “gained a negative reputation for its increasing roughness.” Was there really so much equity in these apparently unpopular woodies that it was worth it to reuse the names? Or does using part of the old structure really save that much money?

>>2809853
>Or does using part of the old structure really save that much money?
The RMC conversions aren't "cheap" but they're cheaper than a new coaster, which is the alternative a park would have to pursue after tearing an old ride out. They've proven to be popular rides too.

>>2809853
Since they (usually) re-use the structure and footers (and the general course), the public perception is that it’s the same ride but better. Gwazi is a bit different because it was a dueling coaster and it was nowhere near as tall as Iron Gwazi. They only used about 40% of it and had to make new footers in some cases. You can see old footers they didn’t use. They also changed the theme from a made up mythical tiger and lion to a crocodile. So that was a bit weird. Meanwhile Steel Vengence reuses most of the structure and follows the same general course but they gave it a different name. For their first conversion, New Texas Giant it’s definitely a decision to say it’s an improved version of the old ride. Anyways as the other anon says it’s a lot cheaper than a new coaster. They also do their own work and provide the wood.

>>2809829
They literally just painted the fiberglass car of I305 into a panther rather than replacing it. That’s what they would do if they had to remove any of the theming right now.

Last week I finally went to Disneyland. I had already been to World, Tokyo, and Paris. Land really is the best Magic Kingdom style park. It makes World look like a bunch of retards for closing so much stuff to build new stuff despite all the land they have. DCA is kinda weak, but it being within walking distance makes up for that. Only have Hong Kong, Shanghai, and eventually Abu Dhabi if it really ends up being built. Also goddamn the American parks are expensive. Tokyo was only like $60 to get get in.

>>2809857
>>2809869
Makes sense, thanks for the explanation.

Not only do I mix up the SFGAs every time but I also mix up their best rides. I speak a good bit of Spanish so when I read Raging Bull and El Toro my mind thinks “bull”.

>>2809906
>Also goddamn the American parks are expensive
Low key it's to keep the "young kangz" out so I don't mind paying the additional $100 for a dindu free experience.

>>2809934
I get it since I grew up 45 min from Six Flags Great America (IL) and I remember that park becoming a nignog daycare. I just wish they would consider the fact that I paid nearly $200 bucks to get in when it came to buying something as simple as a soda. It is nice that they don't really give a shit about bringing stuff in. On my second day I brought in a couple monsters and some stuff from Porto's. Tokyo doesn't really either so when I went last year, my bag was filled with 7/11 onigiri.

>>2809937
Haven't tried bringing drinks in. I think Universal is pretty anal about that shit. I've thought about sneaking some liquor in to day drink at the park with one of these but don't want to risk being banned if their security shit can detect it.

>>2809938
Your best bet to avoid detection is to add the liquor to your drinks in the bathrooms.
>Bring liquor in plastic flask
>Buy soda or juice bottle
>Add liquor into bottle in bathroom stall
>Don't drink while cast members are around. (They might smell it)
In Japan I would just shot gun a couple strong zeros before going into Tokyo Disney or USJ. Drinks are cheap enough in those parks that I just buy them.

>>2809944
>TDS Food and Wine
I don't drink myself, but the presence of a bar on top of the cruise liner during this event was rad. My wife got a drink, and we just took a break up there for 20-30 minutes. Probably the best park to find spots to sit and relax in general.

>>2809937
Still nowhere near as many as Six Flags America (the one closing) or Over Georgia. The chaperone policy has impacted the daycare aspect at these parks, probably why SFOG’s attendance is way down. Gurnee is far enough from Chicago and nearly 80% white it could have been worse.

>>2809906
American average salary is more so the parks will cost more then in Japan, the prices reflect what locals would realistically afford and balanced itself
I heard that they are trying to balance number of attractions World and Land have so they are similar, so the Land parks seem more filled then World since it is 2 vs 4, at least until Land’s third gate or extension happens.
Also leads to the laughable scenario of World having all this land but only removing attractions to add new ones and rarely actually expanding

>>2809946
Yeah as far as being a THEME park, Disney Sea is the goat. I do feel like Fantasy Springs should have been a Disneyland area, but Tokyo has the excuse of being a peninsula so they have to make due with what they have. I went opening day and the crowds weren't bad at all. They only let you ride 1 of the new rides if you weren't staying at the new hotel, so that was a bit of a bummer. I ended up riding the new Peter Pan ride since Frozen got booked out before I could even get into the park.

>>2809951
>Disney Tokyo gets a great e-ticket and 3 decent dark rides in an amazing themed area
>Paris gets a clone of a mediocre 10 year old ride and two off the shelf flat rides

It's not fair.

I guess the Lion King Splash Mountain could be good and there's a very conspicuous space for another land in the expansion at least.

>>2809954
Paris is an odd ball. Disney just doesn't seem to care about it. I liked it, but I only did Disneyland back in '04. I didn't do their Hollywood Studios and looking back, I am so glad. Hollywood was the wrong choice. They should have copied Sea. I think both Europeans and non-European's would have liked it a lot more especially if they expanded the Mysterious Island and added more Verne stuff. On a side note does anybody know what USJ is going to do with the old Spider-Man ride and Back draft? I have been to USJ twice and my last trip was kinda shitty since
>No spider man
>No Backdraft
>Jaws was closed
>Jurassic Park was closed
>Space Fantasy was closed
>Terminator was closed
>Donkey Kong got delayed and wasn't open

>>2809938
>>2809944
You guys are too scared of park employees. The worst they'll do is make you take your liquor back to your car but I'm wondering how bad at sneaking stuff in you have to be to get caught.

>>2809938
>>2809944
you degenerates are ruining the parks. i've actually stopped going to epcot since the large groups of alcoholic normies weekend drinking, minorities causing general havoc and social media whores trying to get attention and none of these people care about the park at all. they just want to get drunk with their annoying as fuck friends and run and jump around the massive crowds in no shade subtropical temperatures while everyone is
>"look at me! i'm drinking alcohol and taking selfies in front of faux architecture in a half-assed corporate realization of the globalist wet dream world's fairs of yore. this place is a vibe and i'm so fun everyone, give me attention!"
and honestly if you're sneaking booze into the park to drink alone while you get on rides by yourself at a theme park for families you seriously need some self reflection or you're absolutely no better than >>2809934
>"young kangz"

>>2809961
Cool blogpost faggot. Why don't you shove it up your ass so it can be with the rest of your opinions?

I will drink at the park. I will be a charming bastard beloved by complete strangers. I will do my favorite rides blitzed out of my gourde and I will continue hating young black men. You will be a faggot every day for the rest of your life hating on other people for no reason other than your inability to enjoy yourself. FAGGOT!

>>2809951
I got in during rehearsals with the same restrictions. Got to do Peter Pan one day and Tangled the next (along with eating at the Peter restaurant). Missed out on Frozen by mere seconds in the second day. Just another reason to go back I suppose. I do think it's funny that, despite all the hype that land got, I wouldn't even place it in the top 3 lands at DisneySea.

>>2809960
Sneaking in alcohol is a trespassable offense. They might say you can’t bring that in but they might also ban you from Disney property (all of it, including hotels and Disney Springs). I’ve snuck in small liquor bottles when I was younger. And I wasn’t by myself, I did it because MK doesn’t really have alcohol (and still doesn’t unless you’re at a table service restaurant or the dessert fireworks thing). That was before these newer detectors but I doubt they’d pick up all plastic. People bring in vodka in “sealed” water bottles. If you have an infant or toddler you could sneak liquor in using baby bottles. I have not done that but I considered it. Nowadays I just take a gummy… if I even go back there

>>2809965
> I wouldn't even place it in the top 3 lands at DisneySea.
I agree. Even if the rides are a bit weak, the Arabian Coast is amazing to just walk around. American Water Front is the best in my opinion.

>>2809970
American Waterfront is also my number 1. Oddly enough, I think Arabian Coast was my least favorite. I think it just didn't have the same energy as the other areas and felt a little sterile. Still not a bad land, and if I had been able to go on Sinbad, it might have been bumped up one or two spots in the rankings.

What is the best ride while drunk

>>2809976
Pirates of the Caribbean.

>>2809969
>Sneaking in alcohol is a trespassable offense.
Again you are too scared of park employees

>>2809976
Being drunk doesn’t really enhance rides IMO. If you’re afraid of coasters it will make you less afraid. It helps at the Magic Kingdom and Epcot to make the boring stuff less boring and also makes lines feel quicker. Cannabis works way better at enhancing rides, especially coasters. Even dull coasters will feel better. But it has the opposite effect on lines, they can seem like they move slower.

>>2809956
Studios Paris exists solely to fulfill a contractual obligation they had to get a second gate at that resort by the early 2000s or else lose that land.
Hong Kong had a similar thing that Disney ended up letting expire so now that second park spot has been taken back by the Chinese government and turned into a housing development.

>>2809976
Fast and Furious Supercharged becomes the greatest ride of all time when you're drunk off your fucking ass. It was designed by drunk people and can only be appreciated in a similar state of mind.

>>2809574
I used to defend them when I thought they were a normal Florida family. That was before I realized Jenn is a huge libtard and he supports that behavior too.

>>2809956
Spider-Man is rumored to get a Pokemon-themed replacement. Backdraft has already been replaced with Minion Blast which opened last month

>>2810005
Damn. I was hoping they would have put something better there. Minions already took over BTTF, letting them take over another classic sucks. I did luck out since the first time I went to USJ, Space Fantasy was NGE themed. I would have loved it when it was Ring themed too.

>>2809998
cannabis would be good for some of the rides but the problem is you have to be around all those people to get on them.
i found out the hard way experimenting back in the 00s during my gap year between hs and college which was just one giant bender of taking drugs and going to random tourist places, thinking i was on some hunter s. thompson shit.
it was mostly either shrooms, weed or pills and sometimes lsd so nothing insane but my goal was to see if i could shift my own perception of memories through nostalgic things from my past.
i did this because near the end of my sr. year in hs i found a snes at a garage sale and it triggered me into this state of nostalgic regression where i remembered what it felt like to be happy again. i dropped my inhibitor meds and my depression went away, replaced by a combination of weed, psychedelics and doing things from my childhood.
so for disney most might pick a trip but i instead opted for a basic thc high. i was afraid of having a bad trip of induced psychosis with anything stronger, and i just wanted to feel good, not gain some introspective insight or something. so i checked in to the clarion inn near the main gate (now rosen inn) and the next morning i took about ten bong rips of dank og kush that i just got from my boy spottemgottem the night before.
(cont.)

>>2810016
i get to magic kingdom and instantly the crowds get to me, even though i wasn't even through the ticket center yet. i'm sweating even more profusely than normal in the florida sun. i make my way past security feeling extremely paranoid and i can already tell that they're suspicious and that a guy was following me to the ferry tracks in the sky. i get in line for space mountain and i start noticing every pair of mickey ears i see on every girl look more like donkey ears. i say yo man forget it go home to belle's hair. the pumpkin coach dropped me in front of it's a small world. a tiny cast member who i swore was a little pink pig guy escorted me off the monorail. life was suddenly like a hurricane here in duckbergenstein. after asking a cat to drink some cough medicine the ss officers told me to line up against the wall then the cannon went off and the redhead flashed her firecrotch to a bunch of kids. it wasnt until i found myself between the pages of a giant book and that mother fucker popped right the hell out at me and said "bitch you one high ass nigga up here in fucking disney world of all places. stop being a faggot." that i realized what was happening.
That shit laced with Pooh Sheisty.
his words of wisdom stayed with me to this day and i dont so much as touch a drop of alcohol when i'm at those parks now. and you're a faggot if you do take drugs at a theme park for kids. so kill yourself

Went on Siren's Curse for the first time at cedar point. Line was awful bit well worth it

>>2809961
>Taking selfies in front of faux architecture in a half-assed corporate realization of the globalist wet dream world's fairs of yore.
Uh, Based??

>>2809331
Never rode The Beast, but my first coaster at Dollywood was Hot Rod and it was pretty great. (However, I think Thunderhead was more well rounded, great station)

Also how is Super Nintendo World for a guy and his brother-that-didn't-ride-rollercoasters-at-Dollywood?

>>2810016
Nobody knows or cares if you’re high on cannabis at a theme park. You can buy hemp-derived edibles at any vape shop just outside Disney property and they still get you high (legally so long as the farm bill loophole exists). Being sober at Disney parks, especially Magic Kingdom, can get really boring at times. Also, being high on my dispensary gummies made janky old space mountain super fun. I’ve hated that ride for years but it was great riding it high

>>2810053
You should ride space mountain high while listening to the 2001 a space odyssey monolith music on noise canceling headphones

>>2810059
>ride space mountain high while listening to the 2001 a space odyssey monolith music
Reddit: The Ride

>>2810059
the music/ sound effects are way better fag

>>2809929
That's why people use SFGAm and SFGAdv.
I guess it doesn't matter too much because everybody overlooks great america just because it didn't have kingda ka

>>2808944 (OP)
if there are any brits here i highly recommend the sandcastle water park in blackpool. you have to go during non peak days otherwise the queues are abhorrently long due to the small venue size but all of the big rides are decently white knuckle for an indoor water park
even the kiddie rides are loads of fun especially if you with family, cuz many of them are racers where you lie back and try to outslide the other person
theres also a fun water climbing frame where you can shoot people with water guns, me and my cousin got into a water gun battle with this muslim couple, it was hilarious
just a heads up for parking though, i left my car underneath the pleasure beach with a 3-4 hour ticket which is expensive but not nearly as expensive as the ticketing for the water park / casino parking so just a little tip there

Sorry for the delay, I was on vacation. Anyways, it looks like a slow news time, until D23 at the end of August, only minor updates this thread.
Threadly list of major Disney/Universal Theme Park dates/announcements.
Florida:
>Zootopia show opening in Tree of Life Theatre late 2025
>Monsters Inc. area 2027?
>No date announced for Dinosaur!/Boneyard closing (early 2026 expected)
>Front Tire Land replaces Tom Sawyer Island circa 2028
>Big Thunder Mountain (Florida) refurb finishes in 2026
>Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin refurb until sometime 2026
>Test Track 3.0 at EPCOT open now
>Both Disney water parks open ALL SUMMER
>Disney resort guests have FREE water park admission on their check-in day in 2025.
>Hollywood Rip Ride Rocket (in Florida) closes 5ever August 28, 2025
>Volcano Bay major refurb starts Oct 26, 2025

California:
>Fast and Furious roller coaster opens in Hollywood sometime in 2026
>Walt Disney animatronic show open noe. Lincoln returning later.
>Mike & Sully closing 2026, becoming Avatar ride

Both:
>Millenium Falcon: Smuggler's Run gets the flight rethemed to Mandalorian May 22, 2026

Europe:
>Disney Village & Disney Adventure World (Paris) overhauls with Frozen and Mary Poppins expansion at Paris to be completed 2026
>Lion King Splash Mountain water ride at Paris Studio park, late 2027 at the earliest
>Universal UK soon

Asia:
>Multi-launch Spider-man coaster at Shanghai DL, no date yet
>Spider-Man Drop Tower at Hong Kong DL, Doc Ock at some point
>Wreck-It-Ralph omnirover shooter replaces the already closed Buzz Lightyear in Tokyo by April 2026
>Tokyo Disneyland Space Mountain currently closed until 2027 for complete ground-up rebuild
>Tokyo maybe razing Adventureland 2026 or later?

>>2809581
>On the subject of Disney Cruises, would like to try one but they're so fucking expensive
>They're building something like 6 new ships
I don't have a clue how Disney expects to fill staterooms when each of these billion-dollar vessels is floating in 2032.
Only boomers can afford cruises, occasionally bringing their adult children or grandkids along.

>>2809956
Third worlders (the French) hate America for some stupid reason. Euro Disney was doomed to fail from the start. I think it would have done better in a place like Italy or maybe even Spain.

>>2810176
SFGAdv was overrated compared to SFGAm before Kingda Ka or El Toro existed. SFGAdv is overrated because it draws from NYC and Philly metros which combined is almost 4x the population of Chicago metro. And a lot of those people from NYC and Philly think they’re the center of the universe.

>>2810198
Cruises are exploding in popularity at the moment. They're suprisingly good value for the food an entertainment.

Disney cruises are insanely expensive though so I suspect some of the new ships may be designed around shorter cheaper cruises.

>>2810225
Disney cruises are the best if you're not poor and have a family. If money is an issue or you don't have kids, go on Royal Caribbean

>>2810226
I’m not poor and I have a family. We’ve been on Disney before but it’s a waste of money. The only thing I liked was their (castaway) private island where it stopped twice. Being on a floating ship and eating never fresh always frozen Sysco food with expensive alcoholic drinks and mediocre entertainment, limited shopping, small pools, small overpriced bars that are dead at 9pm and don’t play every game, etc. just isn’t worth several thousand dollars to me. It’s better to dump that money into an all inclusive or to a large resort property near or on the water. I’m talking about Bahamas and Caribbean cruises where the ports are all full of violent blacks and you have to be careful where you go and would prefer to be on a ship. I can see a cruise traveling the Mediterranean being a stylish and convenient way to travel it (Gypsy and jeet pickpockets aside). Is there really a difference between Disney and royal Caribbean? I know carnival is full of blacks and budget but aside from Mickey Mouse and other gay Disney overlays/skins, what’s the difference? I’ve only done Disney

>>2810198
>>2810225
>>2810226
>>2810229

There's a cruise general that covers all this
>>2784630

I know Disney cruise has those youth clubs that babysit kids but there was that 3-year-old molested by an older kid (probably a black or some other brownoid) in one of them a few years ago. There have been other sexual assaults and staff have been arrested for it. Cruise staff live in tiny pods for months long contracts and can’t use guest areas. Disney has long attracted a lot of sex offenders, fetishists, and other sexual weirdos in addition to employing more homosexuals than anywhere.

>>2810235
shut up fag

>>2810229
It sounds like you just don't like cruises so I don't understand why you would want to go on one

>>2810252
I'm not going to. >>2784630

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvUjbKUBMmo

Comfy, shame there's only one Virginia Reel operating in the world now and it's a mini version.

Sandusky's newspaper picked up about Peanuts being dropped by Six Flags
https://sanduskyregister.com/news/616942/bye-bye-snoopy/

I'm always a wimp on coasters so I have a firm grip on the lap bar at all times but for whatever reason Tron gives me the unshakeable urge to let go and wave to everybody below during the outdoor bit.

Can anyone tell me what happened to make people stop going to Six Flags Over Georgia? I have distinct memories of the lines in the mid 2000s. They were really long.
>45 minutes for the log flume
>45 minutes for mind bender
>90 minutes for goliath
>2 hours for the scorcher (!!!)
>2.5 hours for batman
>3 hours for deja vu (might have been 4 at one point)
>not sure on the line for scream machine but the snake queue was completely full
>1 hour superman
And the last couple of times I’ve been most of these are walkons or not far from it. So what happened? It’s not like Atlanta and the south has lost people lately.
>muh blacks
They were there back then too and behaved as such. I remember a fight broke out near me at the exit. When I looked one of the guys was already in handcuffs.
>seriously how did they get handcuffs on him so fast

>>2810339
It’s still the same article from Don Helbig. Also, Sandusky Register hates Cedar Point, Cedar Point even banned them from media events last year. I did a little more research the other day. The license does indeed expire at the end of the year but they didn’t renew it last time until September.

>>2810529
It’s very strange. Chaperone policy, perhaps? But all the legacy Cedar Fair parks have the same policy (except Cedar Point for some reason) and they don’t have this problem. SF Great America has been down somewhat too. And Great Adventure which everybody is blaming on Ka. SFOG is one of the parks that Cedar Flags saw growth potential in due to the growing Atlanta area. Looks like they need to work on getting locals to care about it.

>>2810259
You’re right I don’t. Unfortunately my family members do. Kids are free on Royal Caribbean and they have more activities for them to do. When their waterslides aren’t breaking that is. The only thing I like about Disney is you don’t have to tender to their private island because the ships can dock there. Otherwise I don’t care about Disney characters or theming or shows. If you’re into that then obviously Disney is the way to go but costs a few thousand more. All that Disney stuff is really fucking gay.

29 days until I go to Disney World for the first time in 22 years bros.

>>2810541
Dont dox yourself like this.

>>2810541
Nice. What's your itinerary like? Where you staying?

>>2810542
Don't worry, I'm a ghost.

>>2810543
We're staying at Port Orleans French Quarter. We think it'll be cool to be able to hop on a boat and go to Disney Springs in the evenings. Checking in on Sunday and leaving on Saturday. Haven't quite decided the order we'll do the parks, but I guess I'll try to figure that out soon if we want to buy some Lightning Lanes in advance. But we have parkhoppers too so we can be flexible.

I'm really excited to ride Tower of Terror because I was too scared to ride it as a kid.

What makes dole whip so addicting? I've shamelessly pounded down multiple at once and I pretty much buy whatever flavor I pass by. The watermelon flavor is really great too.


>>2810547
Cool, I was at riverside a few weeks ago and did the boat hop. If you're into eating out/drinking with your group then I can see how that is really appealing. Not for me though. Would have rather had a gondola resort but those aren't operating for a while I believe.
If you guys are up for it, don't sleep on (literally) the resort early park entry if you wanna get a couple of the highest wait rides knocked out in like 30 minutes. Especially the avatar stuff in animal kingdom since theyre right next to each other. That would really free up that day since AK is a partial day park anyway. I think the star wars rides in Hollywood studios cuck you, at least last I was there they didn't open those til after general entry.
But of course if you just want to arrive later and skip the barbaric rat race that's definitely a good idea as well.
Are you doing only Disney? With 7 days I would run out of things to do. I didnt find the Port Orleans activities to be as conducive to resort staycation vibes as I expected.

>>2810552
Well, really it's five days because we'll get there late on Sunday and leave early on Saturday, so five days at the parks, and we get tired in the hot sun so I'm sure we'll spend a good amount of time resting too. But we'll definitely be up early to make use of the early admission.

>>2810552
I like the orange flavor the best. I also like how everybody has it. I had a Menchie’s right by me that had it until it closed but a seasonal ice cream stand nearby has it. Cedar Point has it. Knoebels has it and you can get a flight there. Discovery Cove has all you can eat pineapple. The stuff in the grocery store is supposedly the same ingredients with additives to make it freezer friendly but it has the wrong texture and tastes disgusting

Do you think the Fast and Furious coaster will be themed to orlando or new york city?

>>2810552
It's all about the floats for me, so good when it's baking hot.

They should have kept Splash Mountain as is and just added an insensitive content warning like they do on Disney+


>>2810578
For me the floats just don't scratch the itch as well. I don't find the pineapple juice as refreshing on a hot day, I'd rather have just the ice cream

>>2810593
Should've added an exhibit about the originals of the Brer Rabbit tales, tying it to Black plantation workers.

>>2810529
They haven't had a noteworthy coaster installed in almost 2 decades. For a while they blew everyone else in the southeast away with their lineup, but can you really say there's anything at the park that excites you now?

Dare Devil Dive: who cares
Twisted Cyclone: worst RMC
Kid Flash: lol
Georgia Gold Rusher: who cares

The last big addition, Goliath, is just another B&M hyper and it's not even a real hyper. Interesting layout but there's no reason for me to visit when operations are usually bad, there's nothing to do besides rides, and single day parking is $30. You can't expect every ride to be running due to technical problems or, more likely, a lack of staffing. If you want to eat off property you'll have to go west on I-20 to get to a decent area.

For a once-a-season visitor, that park just doesn't offer any value. Lackluster rides (if they're open), few shows, lots of shitty carnival games that I never play, and mediocre food I don't want to buy.

>>2810609
You sound like fun….
I think Orlando is close enough to Atlanta that it might also be a factor. Sure it’s not really day trippable unless you’re insane, but six hours is close enough to where people who only visit SFOG once or twice a season might just want to go to Orlando instead. I used to work with a guy who ran our Atlanta satellite office and him and his family went to Disney World at least once a month. I don’t know how typical that is but I’ve only known a couple people who live in Atlanta. If I lived in Atlanta I would probably visit Orlando multiple times a year. I would also go to SFOG though

Thanks Cedar Point. I really enjoy waiting in 90 degree heat with no shade.

Seems this is the first PoV of Pantherian:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6tJwN_b9tE8

allegedly it's burning through wheels at a comical rate so could be another modern coaster closing for a few weeks after opening in order to sort its shit out. I guess they wanted it to maintain its speed for the whole coaster but the layout is kinds underwhelming past the drop.

>>2810609
I mean I’m not excited by their B&M fest anymore but I was as a kid, and so were lots of other people. In fact a lot of people are still blown away by B&M smooth fests. Are you saying they’re all drawn away by Dollywood, Carowinds, Fun Spot and the Orlando parks, or just bored of it? And why would they stop maintaining it? You think they just decided to coast on their success into irrelevance?

>>2810642
Thunder Canyon is closed too so you can’t ride it too cool off. It was supposed to close on the 17th to turn into Cornstalkers, a Halloweekends maze, but apparently there was a mechanical issue the other day so they closed it for the season over a week early.

>>2810643
What is there to sort out? The coaster is over 15 years old. Are they trying out new and different wheels?

>>2810643
>allegedly it's burning through wheels at a comical rate
Sounds like bullshit

>>2810645
>Are you saying they’re all drawn away by Dollywood, Carowinds, Fun Spot and the Orlando parks, or just bored of it?
Some of that but mainly it's the perception you're going to get a mediocre product, so it's not worth the time and money to go when there's plenty of other ways to spend money on entertainment in Atlanta.

>And why would they stop maintaining it? You think they just decided to coast on their success into irrelevance?
Not at all. If a Six Flags park wanted a new coaster it had to wait for an outlay from SFI. General managers competed for that money and would lobby the board for capital expenditures. John Odum must have had a silver tongue because they got a lot of new rides under his tenure. In 2001 they got Deja Vu and Acrophobia, although DV didn't really work until the next year, which is when they got Superman. After he left, not much has happened... and it's clear that Carowinds is going to be the company's big southeastern park now.

>>2810643
>>2810652
>>2810657
On parkfans they’re saying the painters painted over and clogged water sprayers that cool the wheels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxviHeqY98g
>The now 2027 Great Adventure coaster is basically confirmed the spinner
>Not even using the plot of all the destroyed rides
>And looking far less then 400 ft tall
This place is so done lol

>>2810690
>less then

>>2810695
Fun at parties

>>2810711
>Insidethememegic

>>2810690
If it’s not over 400ft then forget it. I think the tower extreme spinner strata sounds amazing. If it’s looking like the spinner then it better be a strata. Looks like the the lack of FAA filing is the issue. Since they already had a 400+ ft coaster I don’t think it will be denied

>>2809595
>40% off Peanuts merchandise sales are going on at Kings Island
On the off chance this actually means anything, maybe Six Flags is switching this park specifically to Warner Bros properties over the Peanuts? WB owns all the Hanna-Barbera characters that appeared at KI back in the day.

>>2810690
>>2810738
Can someone remind me how they deduced that the new attraction would be 400 feet tall?

>>2810752
It was in a survey they sent out last year. The same extreme spinner tower was in a Kings Island survey last year but was like 230 ft but the GAdv survey said over 400 ft

At first I thought TT2 was a 9 but I rode it again and I actually think it’s a 10 now.

>>2810770
>It was in a survey they sent out last year.
I've seen the survey I think, but don't recall a height

Anyone ever stay at one of the rental villas in Reunion, 15 minutes south of Orlando?
Just snagged an airbnb deal because the price was great for a place with multiple bedrooms and a private pool. The condos at the main building looked okay but nothing better than your average off-site resort closer to Disney.
According to google maps it should take about 15 minutes to get to WDW and about 25 minutes to get to Epic Universe.
I have also heard that traffic can get bad near the champion gate area but Reunion is a bit north of there. Any better/more convenient to get on i-4 to the parks in the morning and back at night?

>>2810711
This is Inside the Magic so they're probably adding 5 new car parking spaces or something stupidly minor.

>2025
>rewarding clickbait sites

>>2810751
Do they even have a license for Hanna Barbera anymore?

>>2810593
This protest was so stupid because what they were protesting is the whole point of Small World, they just aren't being that direct

>>2808944 (OP)
Massachusetts brat punched his Mom, causing her to bleed. A female cast member tackled him to the ground.

https://www.aol.com/disney-world-beatdown-victim-revealed-052308495.html

>>2810783
Never stayed there but I only stay at off property villas because of all the space and kitchen plus most of them have good pools and amenities. That one is more like 20 mins from Disney property due to congestion. It will probably take around the same time to get to Universal. If you leave super early you could get a jump on traffic and make it there earlier but going back at night sucks no matter where you stay. I always advise people to get a villa off property close to Disney because Disney property is too spread out and nothing there is close to everything. Yeah you might be a 20 minute gondola ride to two parks and a bus ride that could take up to an hour counting waiting especially if there are ECVs. You might get a monorail hotel but it costs $1k a night and isn’t close to the other parks. Etc. For that kind of money you could stay over at that Evermore place with two families to a unit

>>2810771
I go back and forth depending on how much it rattles. When I rode it over a month ago it was a 10/10 and barely shimmied. The whole sequence of launching backwards up and down the spike and the final burst up and over the tower is one of the best experiences I’ve ever had on a roller coaster. Couple weeks ago I was in the next to last row on the silver train and it rattled horribly, I couldn’t even enjoy the ride and it gave me a headache. I hear silver is the worse and sitting in the back is more rattley

>>2810783
Are you there with family or there by yourself? If you're by yourself just stay at the Drury Inn by Disney Springs

>>2810932
Imagine the autistic shit that caused this
It was probably something like him being told they cannot go on the Thomas the Tank Engine ride because Disney does not have one

>>2810657
>>2810609
>>2810536
I just checked their weekday hours because I wanted to take a half day off and head over to take advantage of the short lines. Only they have no weekday hours. They’re closed on weekdays, including Fridays.
>not when I shift into maximum overgrim

>>2810969
Everyone's back in school already, most of their staff wouldn't be available

>>2810972
Not the same anon but that’s interesting, Atlanta public schools went back the 4th. I was comparing it to Carowinds schedule. Charlotte goes back the 25th. Carowinds is open this week but interestingly they’re closed from the 17th to the 22nd and the 17th is a Sunday. I’m just surprised they’re not open daily through Labor Day. Cedar Point is but they’ve become more of a destination park with all their hotels.

>>2810963
Yep his Mom said he was autistic or some freaky mental crap like that. I feel for these women because the kids grow up massive but mentally are toddlers. I can't imagine having one and then having to take of it until death.

>>2810978
>they’re closed from the 17th to the 22nd and the 17th is a Sunday.
Seems likely the park will be having a private event that day.

>I’m just surprised they’re not open daily through Labor Day.
A lot of parks would be open daily through at least the end of August/Labor Day, but schools have lengthened their academic years just about everywhere and consequently most of their labor pool evaporates. Decades ago they used to have a ton of college aged employees but that's mostly gone now too.

>>2810873
I thought I read in a company statement somewhere that the current Six Flags holds theme park rights to animated Warner Bros properties, which would include the LT and DC characters already at some of the parks, and presumably, Hanna Barbera ones. However, I do remember the past Six Flags company got rid of anything Hanna Barbera-related in the late 2010s or so.

There is still so much undeveloped land in Orlando.

where should i eat at Disney world (park only) tomorrow

>>2811048
Space 220

>>2811023
Disney World has the opposite problem of Disneyland in that they have way too much land they will never get to developing

>>2811050
alright what do you suggest, never been before. lunch menu looks overpriced. Considering the shrimp tacos and steak or salmon.

>>2811055
salmon is full of roundworms.
sure its cooked up when you have grilled or smoked salmon but you're still consuming roundworms either way.
sushi on the other hand..
you're eating raw roundworms, alive or not it's disgusting.

>>2811048
Epcot has the best food, by far. The German restaurant is great.

>>2811085
Yes I posted about it last thread I ate at the german buffet for the first time. Fish and chips was good. Hated the American BBQ place though. Never going there again. But as far as actual sit down restaurant it's only been Germany so far. There aren't really any that I feel drawn to right now which is why I'm soliciting suggestions

>>2811055
All of the fine dining at Disney is extremely over priced, but the steak there is really quite good from what I remember. The atmosphere there is great and reminds me some of old Epcot.

>>2810932
Poor family, but keep these freakshows locked up

>>2810932
>His mother also revealed to police that her son “suffered from severe schizophrenia for several years and sometimes experiences severe hallucinations,” which at times had caused him to become violent with her in the past.
Imagine having schizo hallucinations at magic kingdom.

Cable snap at Power Tower (Cedar Point)

>>2811148
Has this ever happened on an S&S tower? I have been thinking for years that at least these ones are reliable and safe. But this makes me rethink that and also rethink Cedar Point’s maintenance. Their Screamin Swing had a cable snap and nearly kill people a few years ago which prevented a lot of parks from adding them until recently (Seaworld in Texas, both Busch parks, Hershey this year)

erm, what the frick?

>>2811118
>>2811134
>>2810985
>>2810963
>>2810932
"Now Matthew, that's enough talk about today's Drag Disharmony Hell Ride. You know why you're here and that's to talk about the Florida trip you got back from. Would you like to tell me what you were thinking about prior to assaulting your mother at Disney World?"
>"First of all I know what she did. I know she told Sonny Eclipse that I knew the secret location of the underground children in the service door behind the whistling pirate cell. She also tipped them off that I am a direct descendant of God aka Walter Elias aka Alias aka that's not his real name+33-4xWalt..W, fourth to last letter in the alphabet=4+29=33 + 13 minute wait on Haunted Mansion equals black cube of saturn. And on top of that the bitch was cheating on my dad at Gaston's Tavern with a former CIA agent. So I threw down a hot dog at Casey's Corner because thats where they grind the former midget cast members into food logs. Bitch had it coming."

Any general Universal Orlando YouTubers you guys recommend? Got my trip in November and the only one I get recommended on YT is PughTwo and he's annoying as shit.

>>2811211
imo Timtracker remains the goat for informative videos, universal or disney. especially epic universe, he's got like a 4-5 hour long deep dive video.

>>534750669
What did you think "incest game" meant? Vibes? Papers? Essays? Loser.

>>2811211
Funny he's still calling himself PughTwo even though his wife split.

>go to universal in 2021
>outdoor portion of kong is skipped
>go to universal in 2023
>outdoor portion of kong is skipped
>going to universal in 3 weeks
>kong will be down entirely for scheduled maintenance
i just want to ride the vehicle as it goes through the big doors!

>>2811238
Skull Island would be an actual good ride if the first half before the screens was slightly longer and the second part had a practical set buildup similar to the first part to the Kong animatronic at the end. It's annoying when a ride would have needed just a slightly larger investment to make the ride twice as good.
This seems to be Universal's biggest flaw with half of their rides. Take Curse of the Werewolf or Dong Barrels for example. Just slightly more theming would have gone a long way. It seems dumb to produce an attraction that is already a 100+ million dollar investment and not put an extra 10-20 million in to make it something people actually hold in high regard and not just a filler ride.

Busch Gardens Tampa got a "everyone stop eating right now" health code shut down at their BBQ place.

Roaches and flies, cross contamination issues all over the place (with raw chicken) and someone going elbow deep mixing some coleslaw with their hands (whilst the fucking health inspector is visiting)

>>2811297
Disgusting to think what these minorities who work in food prep at all these places do when no one's looking let alone during a health inspection.
Precisely the reason I never use doordash or eat at places where the employees are all minorities. You know they are doing that kind of stuff to all the food if it's easier or dropping it on the floor and serving it anyway.

>>2811297
Zagora Cafe was shut down last year for similar reasons (plus rats if I remember). Can’t really help with the roaches, they’re everywhere.

https://youtu.be/frpY2EbJyjA
Bodycam videos like this one are good examples of how these people refuse to comply with law enforcement when they are being caught in the act of committing a crime. It's interesting how a non-melinated person at least shows some signs of humility when caught even if they're attempting to claim innocence. It shows that there is something about these people and/or their culture that enables them to bypass their self conscience and convince themselves and others that they are innocent when they're not, and overcompensate by trying to flip the table on police/the white man/claims of raycism etc.
It also shows that we are not safe/secure in a country full of them when they will commit crimes, hide the fact/maintain their innocence, and show absolutely no fear of authority or repercussions for their actions/behavior whatsoever.
Anyone complaining about big brother tech/facial recognition and surveillance need to take a step back and realize what our society is dealing with. If anything, we need more of that shit especially in theme parks because the security is definitely not where it needs to be in the current times. I'm honestly surprised we aren't seeing stuff like gang violence already at these parks. Theft remains a major issue however and could be solved with improved security infrastructure. Maybe identifying these people when they purchase tickets or enter the park and not allowing any felons into the park under any circumstances would be a start. Maybe if you were charged with theft at any point im your life you are simply not allowed to enter a theme park. This is the dystopian future I welcome and implore anyone who wishes to be safe from potential theft or violence from the wild populations of "people" in this country to also be on board as they continue to increase in numbers at alarming rates and are showing up anywhere and everywhere ruining the entire fabric of society including our places that are supposed to be safe and fun.

>>2811316
Yeah roaches could just be bad luck (although I doubt it) but all the other shit... It's a high volume kitchen with minimum wage staff, you design your kitchen and processes so that it isn't possible to fuck up that badly.

They own 7 parks, all with lots of high turnover eateries. You hire a couple of people to design idiot proof kitchens and processes and another couple of people who are responsible for training the head of foods for each park. This shit pays for itself with efficiency improvements, fewer illness lawsuits and no health code shutdowns.

>>2811404
Imagine being park security. Imagine the fatigue.

>>2811430
The irony is, if she had just co-operated at the start, it would have purely been a civil matter and she would have just been escorted out. Now she's got a warrant and she'd going to be spending more time in jail when a cop randomly finds out about it. As she's skipping on a warrant the bail will be a stupid amount next time so it'll cost them a fortune getting a bond or she'll spend weeks in jail waiting for a judge (who probably wouldn't even give her a custodial sentence)

>>2811430
For every Matt Sonswa there are a hundred idiots like this.

>>2811404
I hate how these videos label any people involved "Karens and Darrens".
It equates black violent criminal behavior with White rudeness or some wine aunt calling the cops on kids skateboarding in front of her house. These are not equal and shame on the channels posting these to put that in the titles of the videos to generate clicks or get the algorithm to push it. Race traitor behavior

>>2811437
>Karen
That expression seems more than 2 years out of date to me, sick of seeing it for that reason alone. It's like when you see a Chuck Norris joke

>>2811404
My favorite part was when the dad is chimping out while the niglets are making cheep cheep animal noises.

Anyone able to ID a ride that I watched a PoV of once and can't remember it.

One of those outdoor guided boat rides, was in a fairly large lake and in the middle of the lake you went through an area surrounded by fencing that had huge double doors and there were themed elements inside (it wasn't a cave so not the one at Toverland). Seem to remember it being a really long ride too.

>>2811437
>>2811438
Yep. While Karen as a meme is out of date, I don’t mind it being applied to a pushy, entitled middle aged white woman who mistreats cashiers or other wagies. However that person is not a Karen, that’s a Shaniqua.

A rumor right now is the next Epcot revamp is not Imagination or SSE but actually Seas. Namely the Nemo ride getting a revamp, either a redo of Nemo or they will rip it and Turtle Talk out to put a full Moana attraction to connect everything with Journey of Water.
It is claimed the aquarium getting its own individual signage and returning the diver demonstration is to have the aquarium portion of the pavilion be self-sufficient during the downtime while the ride is changed.

>>2811431
I'm genuinely curious how frequent this sorta thing is. I've done the check in at the parks so many times and that area is always flooded with security and guest welcomers and cameras.

>>2811571
You mean the Seabase sign that just went up last week?

>>2811571
As much as I'd love the moana raft simulator, removing one of the last educational zones and moving all the season life (which would probably kill half the fish because stress is a bitch with marine life) is too high of a price. Are they even short of land there?

Rivers of America today.

Did a bunch of WDW park hopping today, finally got to see the main street USA pianist out doing his thing, and the 5 oclock flag thing which I forgot was even a thing but it was cool to see that they still do something like that. As someone who misses the MK good morning show right at the main street station I love seeing the dapper dans and stuff still going.

Also I was on Soarin again and I legit started to cry, I had to hold it back. I don't know what my problem was. I guess I just really love the ride, it's my only must-do attraction at Epcot. I know most people here probably think it's boring and basic but I think it's a beautiful experience.

>>2811572
She was separated from the family at the beginning meaning they had a backup plan for if she got caught, she was going to say that she did it to meet up with her family for an emergency or something like that, same sort of excuse they always use for line jumping. Whatever the plan was it was certainly as half baked as her plan to phone up the mother-in-law and have her buy a ticket online fast and say that she went through the wrong gate or something.

>>2811576
Yes, namely it drives people to the seabase aquarium staying open while the ride entrance is closed for the revamp and that is why it was put up in the last week.
>>2811577
It would not be the raft simulator,it would be a retheme of the current ride system, regardless what IP it is. Wonder how any construction would affect the fishies

>>2811589
I’m too jaded to enjoy Soarin anymore.

>>2811589
>Also I was on Soarin again and I legit started to cry, I had to hold it back. I don't know what my problem was. I guess I just really love the ride

Anon, don't ever admit this again to anyone

I'm workshopping a new ride system that aims to simulate the experience of drifting a car or at least a gokart. I'm thinking something like a single rail alpine coaster but on a hinge on the front. Or if you imagine a teacup ride but on a track and cut away the cup shape. The ride vehicle would be springlocked forward and pressing the "gas pedal" would gradually take off pressure from the springs allowing the vehicle to rotate more easily.

>>2811652
Yes this anon is right you need to show no interest and make your only hobby wage slaving for billionaires, everything else is cringe

>>2811589
>he didn’t start to tear up during the part of Cosmic Rewind where you rotate around the Moon while Everybody wants to rule the world is playing on your last day of your first vacation to WDW
faggot
I rode Cosmic Rewind 4 times in 2 days in february when virtual queue was still around. best experience ever

>>2811297
>>2811307
I try to avoid fast food places where the workers all look like they've been to jail.

Will be going on a business trip to SF the last week of September and thinking of going west from there for vacation since I live on the east coast
I’ve been to the tokyo parks and went to WDW this year but am considering going to DL or HKDL
Would either be worth considering doing considering the other parks i’ve done. if i do DL it’d be a short trip since idk what to do in LA. if I do HK it feels like it would suck because it’d still be pretty warm

>>2811676
You gotta go to Knotts Berry Farm

>>2811653
>The Whip: the Rollercoaster
Honestly, it'd be pretty rad if it's even feasible to do without putting huge stress on the ride system or passengers.

>>2811863
The inspiration comes from those electric drift gokarts that are popular on tiktok or wherever, lots of people think it looks fun but dont want to bother owning some dinky cart as expensive as a used car. Seems like a decent market to tap into

Also while at Epcot I came up with the idea that there should be a water park that has a bunch of water fountains like you'd see at parks and hotels except you're allowed to swim in them. I think everyone at one point wants to swim in a fountain. The park could replicate real ones or stuff like picrel. Probably wouldn't survive regulations and safety checks though.

>>2811653
>>2811866
You've got two problems:

The cars have to be attached to a surface via pivot point. This obviously cannot be a surface where the track is (even if it connected to the track through a tiny slot in the ground, running over that when you skid wouldn't be good).

The "regaining traction" effect. Without this, it's a spinning coaster with extra steps and you've an uncomfortable "stop" the train will hit. You need it to feel as uncontrolled as possible so that every ride will feel different based on balance and total weight of riders but it's achieving loss of traction when you don't have driven wheels rolling along the surface is difficult. The car needs some way of reliably straightening itself but a spring has the wrong profile for this (the spin will accelerate until it returns to the norm which is the opposite to how a skid recovery happens)

My solution would be a base like on a spinning coaster with the the top half of the car connected to a pivot at the front. The bottom half of a car will have a track for the wheels on the top half which will be where the drifting comes in. this track will be circular going around the edge of the bottom half but it won't be flat, it will curve upwards to provide a limit and to help return the car to the norm (the pivot point the car is attached to will also need to allow for a small amount of tilting). The height of the track as it goes around the edge will be profiled to make it closer to what it feels like when recovering traction.

Boo Blasters at Kings Island closes for good September 1st. My kids really like this ride and even though you have to really lean to make most of the guns somewhat work, I think it’s okay and the A/C is nice plus you’re in doom buggies compared to the other versions. It was a Sally Ghost Blasters that was built reskinned to Scooby Doo and then de-IP’d into a Ghost Blasters. A lot of people don’t know this and think the ride sucks just because of its generic theme in place of Scooby even though that generic theme was sold elsewhere first.

Rumor is that it’s being replaced with a revival of Phantom Theater. Which is probably not the same as family thrill ride they were supposed to get (possibly a Vekoma Madhouse for the crypt). Boo Blasters is popular during Winterfest because it’s one of two indoor rides so that’s going to suck. No news on the other 3 versions of Boo Blasters but hopefully the Carowinds one sticks around because every they redid it it’s pretty fun and lit up nicely

D23 schedule is out and there is NO park panel this year so don’t bother anticipating for anything
Also everyone’s predictions video was worthless lol

>>2811978
I think they'll still sprinkle in a few things but yeah sounds like they got nothing. I'm honestly surprised by it, I thought they would do a token event even for the projects that have already been announced.

>>2811978
content cucked

>>2811983
I am starting to think they didn’t want to commit to anything outside what was announced (and not even the scale of what was announced) with economic uncertainty and are skipping for that reason to evaluate in a year
Now it is making a lot of sense why they announced Buzz and Animation Courtyard and updated Cars info in random blog drops. They just put out in advance every small thing they were planning they are still committed to

There is some speculation they are splitting the parks panel into different mini panels just focused on each resort, namely
>Disney Around the Globe Japan (5 mins)
>Creating the Happiest Place on Earth (30 mins)
>Part of Our World (20 mins)
>Disney Around the Globe China (5 mins)
>Disney Around the Globe France (5 mins)
This would be over a hour of presentation that covers all resorts. Only kicker against that is the India presentation.

>>2811986
I'm leaning towards they want to just announce the incremental updates on their blog versus blowing their load at D23. Basically their version of drip feeding content to make it seem like new stuff is constantly coming.

D23 was a mistake. I'm sure brand engagement excites the shareholders but it just forces the parks dept to *always* have something to showcase every year which is bad when you occasionally don't deliver on those concepts. It would be so much healthier for Disney to take Universal's method of just adding in-park hints at future attractions and only announcing things when you are absolutely 100% ready for full production with finalized concept art.

If they were well-managed enough to plan things out 5 years at a time, then yes, you can do a yearly reveal similar to how video games were revealed at E3 after years of development, but Disney reveals shit BEFORE they've finished designing it.

>>2812006
5 minutes is not enough time to announce anything and if you've got anything to show, you make it into a big event not an ad break. I'm guessing nothing to show; "We opened Fantasy Springs and it was great", "We'll open Frozen world and it'll be great!". 3 years before any of the announced rides open, maybe The Lion King at Paris will open 2027 as they've done the groundwork for that pretty fast and do seem to be motoring a bit.

Next year will probably see the Epic Universe Phase 2 announcements and possibly even Universal UK ride confirmations (final detailed planning permissions will make hiding things impossible).

>>2812009
When you've 11 global parks, you should have something to show off every year. Disney need to stop spending over 4 years to build rides.

>>2812010
>Disney need to stop spending over 4 years to build rides.
Counter point, they don't. The issue is ride quality and...like...should the ride even exist as an idea. Theme park rides exist for decades. I don't mind them taking the extra time to make sure the experience is world class. Curse of the Werewolf and Tiana are great examples of why doing things quick is a bad idea in this industry

>>2812010
Tokyo, The Chinas, and Paris do not usually get much of any update at these as either they announce on their own or at the regular D23 so a 5 minute update video tracks
More focus on how the Happiest Place panel is obviously Disneyland, and potentially 20 for Disney World if that is what that panel is (with it bleeding in from a villains panel which could give Villains land info). The full panel in 2023 was a hour 15 so added together this fully tracks with the time.
Of course Part of Our World could just be a Little Mermaid panel and there really is nothing, but it is a very undescriptive panel name so have to wait

>>2812011
They couldn't open Epic Universe with their showpiece original ride being next to a building site and they needed a ride in there at short notice. All the time in the world wouldn't have saved Tiana, it was a doomed concept but at least they'd had a bit of time to jettison the "Tiana is finding ingredients to help her non-profit co-operative food store" plot that they'd got from that utterly insane panel they somehow thought could design a ride concept.

They spend ages on Avatar river adventure and it was still a huge dud

Magic Kingdom Tron, Cosmic Rewind, Tiana, Frozen Paris, Avengers ride CA... All massively bloated build times that can't really be justified.

>>2812011
4 years is too fucking long for any ride. Tron was even longer and I know Tron supposedly had issues with the land but they announced it while Dragon Challenge was operational and before its closure and replacement were announced. Hagrids opened 3.5 years before Tron. Tron was also a clone, all the engineering and everything had already been done. 2 years should be the max for ride projects. Maybe 2.5 from announcement to finished product

>>2812011
>>2812014
I have to agree: Longer lead times in the development stage of anything only guarantees that the costs will be driven up. The glacial pace that Disney parks take to develop attractions doesn't signify anything to me but an high degree of corporate bloat, where no one wants to stick their necks out for an idea but every idea must also be run past a number of executives and committees for approval. Every one of them will want to influence and exert power over the project.

>>2811148
All the S&S towers have been closed chain-wide since Sunday night. Doesn’t look like other parks are closing theirs out of concern, just the Cedar Flags parks. Other types of drop towers are still running.

>>2812021
They do it to spread the costs out to help their stock price. That's literally it. It's intentional to make it look like they're spending as much money as they really are. I thought with lightning lane gibs coming into the fold it'd make them go work a lot faster, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

>>2811195
Not much you can do about a cable breaking, that's why they usually get daily inspections. The cable itself might not have broken but one of the attachment points did instead. But the S&S towers still have 3 other cables holding the gondola up.

>>2812024
Pretty normal when something like that happens. If it's more serious then the manufacturer will send out a notice to every other purchaser advising them of what to do, which could even tell them to stop operation until an inspection or alteration can be made.

>Epic opens
>Concede and skips on having the hometown parks panel at your con that the fans who paid $300 minimum to attend are expecting
Lmao bravo Disney

>>2812027
Yeah it looks like one of the attachment points and not a break in the cable. Similar to Skyhawk’s incident (S&S Screamin Swing) in 2014. The park is lucky it didn’t hurt anybody aside from some minor leg scrapes to one rider. Those S&S towers have long been pretty darn reliable

>Join Disney Experiences (and some of your favorite troublemakers) for a panel discussion on how Disney Villains experiences come to life around the world. Hear directly from the creative minds behind new projects and attractions, plus enjoy a special Villains-themed medley to kick off Destination D23 day 2.
Only parks announcements we are getting are related to Villians Land but at least we will hear more about this

>>2812024
>All the S&S towers have been closed chain-wide since Sunday night.
Demon Drop chads, now is our time.

>>2811640
>>2811652
>youre not allowed to feel moved by Soarin' anymore
you thoosies should have been handcuffed to kingda ka as they blew it up

>>2812198
>youre not allowed to feel moved by Soarin' anymore
Who are you quoting?

are disney ever gonna fix the yeti? i never got to see it in A mode. does anyone know how long it was even working for?

>>2812233
Why would they spend money to fix it when they can just as easily not fix it and people still show up to buy tickets either way?

Streets is saying Universal is announcing RRReplacement this weekend along with the future closure of another attraction.

>>2812234
cos it would be cool if it worked :D

>>2812240
It's funny how everyone came to conclusions that it's Ghostbusters when the walls came up now that an F&F theme is all but confirmed

>>2812233
It was working for a few months
They are only going to fix it when they need to do a full retrack which will require mountain structure disassembly in the first place. That is still decades out
The yeti effect being different is something only 5% of people who ride this thing care for or even know about and only the park diehards do, so it is nowhere near a concern for anyone to waste that amount of money to adjust

>>2812247
i know most people dont really care but its still lame that it doesnt work. it would be cool to see them crack the mountain open but i love everest so i wouldnt want to see it shut for an extended period of time

>>2812240
>>2812243
Probably safe to assume they're closing the existing F&F ride

>>2812247
I guess it makes sense if fixing it would require the entire ride closed for a long time. That’ll have to happen eventually anyway so just wait until then. AK sucks enough with it.

>>2812243
>It's funny how everyone came to conclusions that it's Ghostbusters
Well it was a bait and switch. They put up a sign referencing a restoration of the old GB firehouse the same day they posted a blog and video about Spooktacular. Then weeks later they posted the other signs that all but confirm that the ride will be Fast and Furious with the closure of Supercharged.

Personally I think the Ghostbusters easter egg was hinting at Fallon being removed afterwards and shifted into Ghostbusters once the Supercharged replacement is completed around 2028. It would be cool if they did both at the same time actually cause Studios needs several additions to bring it up to the level of Epic and Islands. Shit even Islands needs something now.

>>2812233
I don't know why but I rode it for the first time recently and the yeti seemed a lot smaller than I know it actually is. Maybe just cause you see it lit for like 0.05 seconds
Also didn't Joe Rhode basically admit defeat on the Yeti question, or the YQ? He swore it would get fixed but then lost the fight with cheap Disney higher ups

Pretty funny that Universal Hollywood finally gets something that is arguably better than its Orlando counterpark and immediately Orlando gets a superior version.

Hollywood is entirely held up by Secret Life of Pets and the tram tour. What other reason is there to visit?

>>2812279
I'm not convinced it's going to better than the Hollywood coaster, it it does end up being that accidentally published layout it's big gimmick will be a vertical launch, whereas Hollywood has the "GotG but as a full white knuckle coaster" on a hillside setting.

>>2812286
>on a hillside setting.

They are turning the area that extends out of the park into a hillside area. The excavators have been shaping a massive hill for three weeks now

The George Washington animatronic in the Epcot show has so much aura

What other park animatronics have aura?

>>2812308
The organist in The Vampire station

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TWnHFV8_oQ

>>2812247
>>2812252
I’ve heard this isn’t true and it doesn’t require “opening” the structure but it would require reinforcing the platform and redesigning the animatronic. It would also involve lengthy downtime for a park that already has no rides. Most importantly it would require a lot of money without any ROI. The yeti platform is pretty close to ground level (as seen in that YouTube video where the guy rides a bike through the “jungle” around the park and breaks into the park and ride) but there is a lower level below it where debris was falling on to.

What does this normalfag and those like him see in Animal Kingdom?

>>2812355
Animal Kingdom isn't even as good of a zoo as Lowry Park in Tampa
I will say that AK is very well themed, probably the best and most consistently themed at WDW, but the theme is "the third world" so it doesn't look good actually.

>>2812357
I think a lot of it is the entrance Oasis area and how you come out of it seeing the giant fake tree is striking on its island surrounded by a river. The themed third world areas are authentic but I agree they don’t actually look good. I’ve always thought the praise for the Nepalese stuff in and around Everest was vastly overrating it. First time I went there in 2006 when the yeti worked and we were roasting in the summer heat in the queue, I thought it was quite boring.

That entrance plaza to the park and how it purposely opens to view the tree makes the park look really grand and great… much grander and greater than it is. A lot of the theming there is natural foliage. Discovery Cove’s entrance is similar. The themed lands are authentic looking third world shit holes minus the trash everywhere. Oh and there is Pandora which looks nice. And the parking lot carnival that’s now closed. Hardly the best theme park ever but it’s more consistent than the other Disney parks I guess. Islands of Adventure is a better theme park. I haven’t been to Epic yet

>>2810690
>Another fucking shuttle coaster
God damn it. They had air launches, Multi launches, even an Exa-coaster to choose from if they wanted to do a multi record breaking coaster that could rival Kingda ka. And they chose the option that absolutely nobody wanted.

>>2812360
I think maybe you just have unbelievably shit tastes and are probably a retarded zoomer. Animal Kingdom is probably the second best themed/most beautiful park in the world behind DisneySea. It just needs more stuff. Along with tropical America, it could use 2-3 more E-tickets and 2-3 high capacity d-tickets. If it has that along with a few more animal exhibits it would literally be a perfect park. I think you'll likely see in the future another Avatar ride and some sort of spin off of the Lion King ride that's going to Paris in the next 5-10 years.

>>2812357
>>2812360
As much as people bitched about Dinoland's tacky roadside tourist trap motif, it's perfectly in tune with that third world grunginess in the other continent lands.

>>2812372
I’m probably older than you. Sorry but I don’t think rusted old bikes and fake graffiti on fake African buildings is beautiful. There are parts of the park that look good as I mentioned and there are parts of it that look bad. Then there is stuff like the train ride to the rescue place that are unthemed. Do they still have that tacky 2D sign with the animals? Animal Kingdom is severely overrated as some sort of master class in theming.

>>2812375
Indeed. It’s the same sort of thing even though everybody complained about the parking lot. It’s not like they built it in the actual parking lot like Six Flags Great Adventure does, that parking lot and the dino fair were all carefully thought out theming too. But it looked bad and so does the authenticish African and Asian stuff. But then again stupid white people like traveling to these actual shit holes and bragging about it (when they’re not getting kidnapped and raped or killed by the locals)

>>2812361
It’s made by Madk, that one obsessed anon from a few threads ago would blow his load at the thought of a 400ft Mack coaster (if it was at Univeraal that is). It better still be 400ft or higher. Mack’s launches are shit but Time Traveler is awesome. The concept has it launching into a stall and then going up the tower all while spinning and then doing it backwards. Nobody wants this but it sounds amazing to me. The capacity is going to be an issue though. I went to GAdv when it was dead a few months ago and everything was a walk on except Flash. We waited 40 mins and those dispatches were horrible. 6 mins each

>>2812386
>It better still be 400ft or higher.
I'm calling it now: won't hit 200 feet

Why did parks stop building 400 foot coasters? I didn’t get to ride Ka or TTD, but from what I hear they were well loved, and TT2 kicks fucking ass. Why did everyone give up after Ka, other than some rich saudis 20 years later?

>>2812421
They cost a lot of money to build, cost a lot of money to run, some US parks can't even build that tall to begin with (although most can despite what thoosies tell you). However Zamperla proved a mag launch will work on them, so perhaps that will make the idea more palatable to a park in the future. Kind of doubt it though.

Tbh I'd rather have a really good lift hill giga than a launched strata.

>>2812009
>>2812006
>>2811978
Destination D23 having parks announcements is an exception not the rule. The Florida event is not the main D23 which happens every 2 years.
But yes Disney needs to stop with bluesky announcements but they never will.

>>2812421
>Why did parks stop building 400 foot coasters?

https://youtu.be/jqWi_ToyP5s

>>2812421
Taller coasters need supersized layouts that take up a lot of room and cost a lot more money. TTD/TT2 and Ka did it in 3k ft of track but they have gimmicky layouts that drop you into the brake run and only so many parks want those (the only other being Ferrari Land). Maintaining something that tall is a pain, Cedar Point has to rent an expensive tall crain to service TT2’s tower and spike. The 400 ft spinning tower would also be a gimmick that drops you into the brakes… if they even make it 400 ft. Smaller coasters have proved that the size record dick measuring is pretty irrelevant to how good a coaster is, however, being 400 ft up is still incredible as is the visual impact. Sirens Curse is the new ride with the tilt gimmick that keeps evacuating and winding up in the mainstream news but everybody at the park talks about TT2 which you can hear from anywhere in the park

>>2812006
>Roy P. Disney panel
Imagine how much he could trash Iger if he was an honest man.
Also
>80s and 90s
>No sign of Black Cauldron, Oliver & Company, or Mouse Detective
sigh

>>2812482
Wtf is this guy even saying. Speak english. What is D23? What is blue sky? What is Destination D23

>>2812553
You need to re-baseline your paradigms to fully develop your synergies anon.

Anyhow:
D23 - A Disney fanclub that held big gatherings every other year. At some point Disney took it over and the D23 events stopped being fancons and started being Disney E3.

Destination D23 - The name of the even. This used to be every other year, Disney made it every year. This is the "off" year where previously no show would be held so it was bound to be smaller

Blue Sky - optimistic ideas for the future ("I see blue skies up ahead"), often wishful thinking. It's corporate speak.

>>2812494
I’ve seen this before. I agree that building a 400 foot coaster in the style of a hyper would take up way too much space and not be worth it, and I agree that coasters like Ka are way too short in duration. But TT2 proves that building that high can give you something you can’t get on a shorter coaster, and it doesn’t have to take up tons of space.
>>2812497
I wouldn’t say TT2’s layout is gimmicky. It’s not even that unique to a ride of that size. It’s basically the middle (and also best) part of Pantheon, which is another great ride. Maintenance, yeah I suppose. But SFGAdv’s decline suggests it could pay for itself.

>>2812494
>>2812559
I think the more important development was multi-launch coasters. You no longer need these lift hills to get the speed up it lets you do far crazier layouts.

That said, maybe we'll see more hypercoasters like Hyperia that are relatively small footprint.

>>2812561
I get what you’re saying. But then why not both? Top Thrill 2 is a multi launch coaster with 3 launches and has two 420 ft towers. You don’t go up the reverse spike all 420 ft but you’re higher than 312 ft.

>>2812561
That is true. Maverick, Hagrid’s and Pantheon are all masterpieces. I think B&M should be shut down and their designers should be forced to make multi launch coasters instead so we can have more of them.

>>2812566
I give it about 10 years before people grow jaded with multi-launch and we go back to gravity monsters

>>2812570
The only gravity coasters that can compete with multi launches are hypers. And we can always use more of those sure. But B&M can fuck right off with their “look guys we combined a launch (invented 1977) and standup (invented 1982)” and trying to pass it off as innovation.

>>2812575
The seats move up and down and you get standing airtime (the seat moves during the airtime). It’s pretty cool

B&M needs to figure out how to smooth their track though, they’re far from the smoothest around (that would be Vekoma now) and their newest coasters are somehow worse than their 90s coasters. They’ve got a patent for seats that move while sitting and that would be fun on one of their hyper

>>2812570
It's a fad, not the first and not the last. The era of the megalooper came and went, race for the tallest, even the invert is old news. Multi launchers will eventually get taken over by something else. But nothing beats height except more height so I still expect hypers and gigas to be built in the future, maybe even a conventional strata. People love them. Honestly, I think there's a strong chance the next fad will be hyper- and giga-loopers, we're almost there now.

>>2812575
>But B&M can fuck right off with their
Well they were the first to put a launch and a stand up together

>>2812580
I haven't been on a new B&M that enthusiasts complain about but it sounds like an overblown problem.

>>2812575
>laughs in RMC
Seriously, Steel Vengeance and Iron Gwazi are the two best coasters I’ve ever ridden and I’ve been on several of the multi launch coasters. I haven’t been on Wildcat’s Revenge or ArieForce One but I have a feeling they would all be the 4 best coasters I’ve been on and none of them have launches. I do like launch coasters. I think Cheetah Hunt is overhated and is a fun coaster and that’s why we ride these things, to have fun. Or at least that’s why I ride them. SV and IG are just more fun

>>2812582
It’s definitely overblown. I would not have noticed on Iron Menace had I read about it beforehand, nowhere near as bad as they’re making it out to be. Doubt the GP notices. But it’s not as smooth as Intamin or modern Vekoma or RMC. Thoosies are big whiny babies about this. I went on Outlaw Run last year expecting this painful pothole at the end of the first drop and it was literally fucking nothing even in a wheel seat. If that counts as a wooden coaster it’s the smoothest woodie there is aside from Phoenix. The same thoosies say The Beast is “butter smooth” or “glass smooth” despite the helix trying to detail the train and giving everybody a headache

>>2812584
>and that’s why we ride these things, to have fun. Or at least that’s why I ride them
Me too. I ride what's fun and skip what's not. Don't care about much credits, I'm not going on Boomerang #38 because I know they're not fun, but most coasters are to me. I'd give the pipeline a shot if I'm ever down there for that reason... it looks fun.

>>2812586
>Thoosies are big whiny babies about this.
That's really what I think. But I'm not giving a final judgement until I ride one of these new, shaky B&Ms. At any rate I remember how bad the old Arrows and Vekomas were so I guess if you grew up in the modern era you would be kind of spoiled. Still think people need to get over it though even if it is true. Either ride it or don't

just got back from HHN in Vegas. its a bit overpriced ($80 for 4 mazes and that's with the locals discount although to be fair Freakling Bros charged $50 for 3 mazes or something like that) and had a decent sized crowd. i overhead people flying down just for this so maybe the downturn in tourism in the area is just people waiting for this to open but that remains to be seen.

>>2812265
Been to Universal twice and I never got around to riding it. It was closed for renovation last time and the first time I just didn't ride it.

>>2812618
It's so bad it's kind of fun

>>2812581
That’s mostly because everyone, B&M included, realized standups were an awful idea when B&M perfected them and they still sucked.

>>2812584
The best two of those are hypers. I haven’t been on AFO but SV and IG are superior to WR and that’s part of why.

>>2812617
I really am curious how this is going to age. Stocking 4 haunted houses with full scare actor staff + performers + bartenders and shit makes me think their overhead must be easily 80-100k a night.

It's not like it's a theme park where people are staying all day spending money and normal HHN has way bigger crowds and a short time frame.

What is their profitability going to look like in January?

>>2812655
Doesn't make sense

>>2812580
Siren’s Curse is virtually silent.

>>2812668
What doesn’t? Companies tried for decades to make a good standup. The Georgia Scorcher in 1999 was the logical conclusion to the idea and it was still ass. Once companies realized this they abandoned the concept. Except for B&M who picked it up again in the 2020s since they’re creatively bankrupt.

>>2812667
i think they'll be fine until they open up another yearlong HHN that cannibalizes this one. also, all of this is crammed into one building while there are several other buildings that were built but haven't opened anything yet. if things don't work out then they could just reduce operations to the weekends because currently they're only closed Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

>>2812687
The Chicago location makes zero sense to me. Orlando getting one seemed obvious. Orlando is a year-round tourist destination and will never be weather dependent and the bulk of the HHN die-hards are already there. Chicago is not a tourist destination at all and definitely cannot sustain that location by itself. Even Texas makes more sense than Chicago. Seems like a tax write-off that is intentionally being created to fail

>>2812681
Surf coaster is cool faggot

>>2812617
$80 is stupidly expensive. Are they still conga lines?

>queues still crazy at Epic

When does summer officially "end"?

>>2812871
Crowds usually taper down at the end of august. After labor day is some of the lowest crowds of the year, but nowadays that doesn't mean much because crowds are way more spread out over the year and parks have gotten stingier with staffing during the less busy times of the year. EU is gonna be hard to predict because it's new, crowds might not even die down at all.

>>2812853
No. They wait for the first group to disappear to let you in.

>>2812871
Epic crowds are not going away until at least 2 expansions are done. Enjoy the wait.

I find it odd how some thoosies say mission: space orange is too intense but just about any traveling carnival ride built by convicts is 10x more extreme

>>2812927
Legit had neck pain the last time I went to a carnival. The scrambler in particular was trying to fling people out of it. Just a bunch of mexican carnies that dont speak english playing on their phones in charge of the whole thing.

>>2812941
>The scrambler in particular was trying to fling people out of it.
The ride was doing... what it was supposed to be doing?? AHHH I'M GOING INSAAANE

>>2812555
Thank you for translating that!

>>2812871
In Florida, it doesn't start to get cold until the day after Halloween. We never get that cozy Fall feeling which is why I don't even bother with Halloween. I just do a Fall season thing. Plus I hate scary stuff anyhow.

Kids are supposedly back in school but you'd never know. I see them literally everwhere. I am guessing that people aren't really taking it serious yet as everything is just introducatory and there is no serious homework or tests yet. I really don't know. I know once September starts, things do quiet down,.. round the second week. People still take off Labor day week unfortunately. ANd the UK has some sort of break so they swarm the parks around that time too. People avoid September 11th because of the Muzzies. Park is ALWAYS empty that day. As soon as October arrives though, nostalgia for the holidays drives up attendance.

>>2812885
I miss the days when they were fully staffed even if it was a low crowd day. Those days are long long gone. And they were surely magical.
https://youtu.be/Nga1qO2tYEA

>>2808944 (OP)
Disney lovers....


Is Dollywood worth it? I know that both libs and conservatives seem happy with Dollywood right now, but is it actually good? I do not like coasters. I don't like scary stuff. I like slow indoor family rides like Peter Pan. I do like frontier style things, things that remind me of how America was before liberals fucked it up and the world foreve.r

>>2812966
fuck off

>>2812871
Epic's queues are largely a capacity issue. If the API can be trusted, the park has only surpassed 20k guests a few times. My guess is that staff are still working out how to run things, since Monsters gets lower wait times compared to Stardust despite both having similar theoretical capacity.

>>2812570
>>2812581
>>2812575
Multi-launch coasters are considered for higher capacity performances.

>>2812970
Stardust racers is a weird ride because it should have the highest capacity in the park. At least higher than all of SNW combined.

>>2812966
There aren't that many rides you'd be interested in probably if you don't like coasters, but Dollywood is a nice place to be. And there's a lot of old people who get season passes just to go to the shops and listen to the music.

>>2812678
It is almost silent. I was just watching it up close earlier and the sound it makes is like exactly the same sound as seven dwarves mine train. I don’t know how Vekoma of all companies did it but they now make the smoothest and quietest coasters. All I could hear was Top Thrill 2 going up its spike. Top Thrill 2 is incredible by the way. Not sure if it’s my favorite coaster ever but it’s definitely top 3

>>2812970
It's got the problem of not enough rides more than capacity and that's made even worse by them limiting you to 1 day on multiday passes.

>"If I don't do that 90+ minute queue on BftM, I'm not doing it and I've spent £6K on this holiday to do it."

If there were far more rides, it wouldn't feel so bad if you missed out one. As it is, you need to do everything.

>>2812387
It is going be the same size as Wicked Twister at Dorney and it is going to kill the park

Some white trash couple had a melty at the Voyage ride ops today because their kids were too short to ride. I swear to God these people are just as bad as joggers.

>>2812966
Dollywood is building a new $50mil state of the art dark ride set to open next year so definitely wait until that's open. Beyond that, as far as themed attractions there's Blazing Fury which is a great classic dark ride. Nowhere near the level of Pirates of the Caribbean or something like that but similar vibes and a ton of fun. Then there's the other themed coasters in Mystery Mine and Firechaser Express which are both tame enough that they can be enjoyed even if you don't care for coasters.
There's also Daredevil Falls which is well themed and the train ride which is probably the best theme park train ride in the entire country. Throw in all the shows and the Dolly Parton Experience museum and there is enough there for non-thrillseekers who are accustomed to only the world class theme parks.
Dollywood, Silver Dollar City and Knott's are really the only theme parks outside of Florida and California that are really on the level. I would also include Busch Gardens Williamsburg and the other Sea World parks but they are becoming less theming-focused and more coaster focused so they are pretty much in the same tier as the flagship Cedar Flags parks at this point. 90% of the other regional park are a hard skip if you aren't into coasters.

>>2813408
As fun as it would be to work as a ride OP I know my employment would be short lived because I would not be able to take the verbal abuse they have to take to keep their job.

I really don't understand why people feel entitled to shit all over some poor wagie over some nonsense they clearly have no control over such as ride delays and rain.

>>2813408
>>2813416
It's not that bad, most guests are either nice or indifferent to you, keep in mind that you won't even speak a word directly to 99% of the people who ride. You just have to let stuff like that roll off you. Not easy at first but after it happens (at any job) a few times it thickens your skin. And people getting mad about minimum heights transcends all socioeconomic boundaries, it happens at every park with every income bracket.

I did Hyperia in Thorpe Park this week.

Pretty great coaster if not short. Is this a new type of coaster where it is designed to try and throw you out of your seat as much as possible? The UK hasnt really taken on board yet the new lap restraints but it makes a huge difference. I have never had to hold on as much before. One of the best drops on a coaster in the world btw.

>>2813450
It is a shame that the coaster doesn't have another couple of elements at the end to burn off speed and add maybe another 10 seconds to the ride time (would make the coaster a far more compelling argument to top "best in the world" lists) but at least it's start to finish top tier elements, the designers went out their way to give you some extended forces you won't see anywhere else from start to finish.

>>2813450
>>2813502
Seems to be about 40 seconds from the top of the lift until it hits the brakes. Anything under 60 is a short coaster to me and 40 on a hyper is just too short. Better than nothing but it could have been a show stopper if Thorpe had the ability to lengthen it out.

>>2813408
Then if they caved to let the kid on and they get a little boo boo they are the first to sue saying you didn't protect their safety or whatever
Luckily that kid will not take care of those losers later on in life

>>2813603
i saw this happen at my local park when i was like 10. some chav dad had a proper go at the teenage ride op so he said fine he can go on. the little lad sits behind me and after the first drop i hear a thud and him screaming, i turn around and hes busted his lips open on the bar and hes bleeding everywhere. was a cool old wooden coaster though.

>>2813414
Mystery Mine is a Gerstlauer Eurofighter it has a vertical lift and drop(s) and inversions. If you don’t like coasters you’re not going to like it just because it is also themed like a dark ride. Firechaser Express is a family coaster that goes backwards. Blazing Fury is technically a roller coaster and has drops. People who don’t do coasters won’t like these rides. Basically there is the train, food, cinnamon bread, and shows. And the rapids. Otherwise Dollywood is a coaster-focused park just like all the other non-Disney parks. Silver Dollar City at least has Flooded Mine and the cave tour and still has their splash battle raft ride but otherwise as the same problem.

>watching a video about Disney World
>they call kids "kiddos"
Why is this so prevalent?

when is disney gonna start using these robots for characters?

>>2813633
Well not to be that asshole but honestly, if you can't handle the intensity level of a family coaster then why show any interest in theme parks at all?
Maybe if it was 1955 and the parks had free admission with pay per ride with tickets then it would at least somewhat seem reasonable for someone to be there, taking up pathway space in parks that have nearly reached their capacity limits. But why would someone shell out any money at all just to look around and spend even more money on merch and food that you could get anywhere?
Same can be said for AP holders and locals who go to theme parks to drink and party. Why can't they just do that in the city or somewhere away from people trying to have a good time without annoying people surrounding them? It's not like the drinks are better there or something.
Theme parks are for rides. If you're not there to ride, then kindly stay home or find another activity to participate in. The crowds are getting insane at all the good parks because there are people who think its worth it to go to a theme park for anything other than rides.
And yes I'm including all of "those" people who get their chilluns season passes to parks and drop them off there like its a daycare so they can bounce basketballs around all day and behave like a general menace to everyone else who is there.
Likewise, locals and AP holders who like to "pop in" multiple times a week to make lines longer and general crowds bigger need to fuck off as well. Stop being so hedonistic about it when capacity is a large issue. If you are a AP holder fine (in my opinion they shouldn't be a thing but w/e) but i think one visit to each park per month should be more than enough for anyone.
All theme parks and amusement parks alike need to be PURGED of anyone not there for the attractions.

>>2813408
Indiana Jones at Disneyland Paris is fun for this. Just an endless stream of kids finding they're too short.

>>2813616
The gullivers kingdom woodies are 110cm, at that point, if you're too short you're probably too young to be ridding anything other than pure kiddie coasters (even if the woodies in those parks are family ones)

Press F to pay respects.

>>2813703
Well I agree, I’ve seen grown adults in their 30s and older get extremely nervous going on family coasters and then making it out to be such a deal that they deserve some sort of “I survived slinky dog dash” prize to show for it. You see this a lot as Disney parks especially since they don’t have many coasters (although a chunk of their recent investments are coasters). You get people who don’t go to any other parks all of a sudden freaking out watching big thunder mountain turn into the final brake run. Some of these folks can’t put up with any forces greater than driving a car or walking. I don’t know how they made it through life this far but there are a lot more of them than we realize

So this is the PoV of the guesstimated layout of New Tokyo Space Mountain. Looks surprisingly close to Cosmic Rewind style of layout, albeit with the airtime looking a lot more mild (with the exception of the post launch bit which looks to give a surprisingly sustained amount).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JxYhaQX4g0

>>2813754
Eh, everyone has their limits and even if it's a low limit, it's always good to push it. A lot of people not good with rides have hangups about launch coasters and Slinky's coaster is literally babbies first launch so even if it's a mild forceless launch, it's still something they never done.

The whole family coaster thing is getting blurred anyway with Cosmic Rewind and Hagrids pushing the limit. You've then got people who claim Cheetah Hunt is a family coaster (60mph, big steep drop and inversions).

>>2813759
jesus that ear rape music made me close the tab instantly.

>>2813754
It's simple once you realize that most adult Disney fans are just gigantic pussies and devoid of their own personalities, so they substitute the corporation's IP for one. They'll use some predictable excuses as to why they don't go to other parks or get on "the big rides." The usual fallback is lack of theming or "immersion," but you can tell they're just big pussies.

>>2813730
yeah, rip

>>2813760
I hear they have volume controls in modern analytical engines.

Siren’s Curse really surprised me with how good it is. It has an excellent layout and the tilt gimmick was pretty cool, reminded me of a drop tower and it was not the same as a dive coaster because you’re hanging vertical in the vest restraints. The soundtrack was good too. Looks like (for this weekend at least) they drained the theming water. I was expecting it to be beneath the big 4 but I might just like it better than Maverick. It was one of smoothest coasters I’ve been on (all of the smoothest coasters I’ve been on are newer Vekomas). Cedar Flags didn’t order this or the GAdv boomerang but I hope they continue to work with Vekoma even if it means spamming clones.

>>2813759
I’d go by height limit. If it’s 48” and up it’s not a family coaster. Hagrid and Cheetah Hunt have the same height requirement as Siren’s Curse and Iron Gwazi. I know Seaworld tried to argue that Ice Breaker was family friendly (prior to raising the limit and then lowering it over a year later) but they also said the same about Iron Gwazi.

>>2813779
Ice breaker is just a weird one, it's like a thoosie who's never been to a park with a family designing a family coaster. It's one of those coasters you wonder who it's targeted at.

>"it doesn't have inversions and the top hat isn't as big as the velocicoaster, your mother and little sister will be fine on it"

>>2813762
That's cool. I think the concept of a rollercoaster that plays music is a really cool idea and I hope the idea gets revisited in the future but with a much better and more expansive coaster. Imagine something like Maverick but the whole train is blasting Enter Sandman at night with a light system.

>>2813789
I think Ice Breaker is a pretty fun ride. Penguin Trek kinda sucks.

>>2813730
F

>>2813730
It was a great ride that was nerfed to hell and back by park ops. I always loved the way it looked and how it snaked through that narrow section of the park. I also loved watching it while chilling in City Walk. RIP to a real nigga.
>HASTA!!!

>>2813833
The trains and restraints sucked. They should have got new trains and restraints from somebody else and it would have been a net upgrade. Aside from valleying every time somebody sneezed in the non-vertical loop. Oh and the single point of failure vertical lift. They should have fixed these issues years ago and they never did. Press S to spit on its corpse. Can’t believe the company is still in business, this should have tanked them.

>>2813703
>ap seethe
Why are you mad at passholders not there for rides and blaming them for ride waits. I guarantee you, kill all disney world aps overnight the wait times aren't changing. A lesser park sure maybe but that's your fault going to a lesser park. Get good faggot. Also explain the clusterfuck at epic universe then?

>>2813834
>Oh and the single point of failure vertical lift.
Elaborate

>>2813843
When they built it it wasn't built with a rollback bar

>>2813853
Sounds like bs

>>2813858
No there's pics. Watch the ElToroRyan video

>>2813834
didn't read your retarded ramblings fag

What was your pick?

>>2814005
For me, it was 113, 116, 701, 705, 703, and 711

>>2814005
This never worked for me.

>>2814003
cypress hill baybeeeee
>>2814015
the one time I went when I knew about the secret menu I couldnt get it to work even though i read a little tutorial before I got on. not sure if the little phone thing was busted or if im retarded

>>2814003
>>2814005
Darude sandstorm because the beat drop syncs with going over the lift hill

>>2814045
The one good thing to come out of the cut-down song list.

>>2814003
I Will Survive and Devil Went Down to Georgia were great. None of the replacements matched their sync.

Do you think RRR will be down before HHN starts? Surely that's why they closed it before HHN

>>2814045
>>2814047
That was my final choice as well. Shout out to Black Parade though. It never gets to the fast part of course but the grandiose first half combined surprisingly well with the ride.

>>2814003
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
CAN'T STAND IT
I KNOW YOU PLANNED IT
IMMA SET IT STRAIGHT, THIS WATERGATE

When I go to Disney World am I going to see a bunch of influencers walking around talking to their cameras about how Lightning Lane works?

>>2814094
when i went i just saw a few vloggers but nothing that really bothered me. there was one guy livestreaming in the queue for small world which was pretty funny

>>2814093
This. That song seemed made for roller coasters.

>>2813997
IDGAF faggot. This coaster sucked. I’m guessing mommy and daddy bought you an annual pass and you never rode any other roller coasters growing up besides this piece of shit.

>>2814107
Whoa we got a badass in the general everyone watch out

>>2813858
It was built with dual chains but the state wouldn’t approve it so it was deconstructed and reconstructed. One chain was replaced with anti rollbacks. When the single chain malfunctioned, riders were stuck in the vertical position sometimes for hours. The original design would have allowed for it to be taken back to the station but it was a safety issue since it didn’t have a traditional anti rollback system. Other vertical lift coasters have dual chains for redundancy in addition to an anti rollback system.

Also, the manufacturer was fired from the project before it was complete and universal finished reprofiling parts of the track themselves. It didn’t use the moving load for a while because it couldn’t achieve its intended capacity. They turned off at least two of the block brakes. There was a catastrophic design flaw in the part holding the trains together which resulted in a recall (Universal was the one who discovered it). To overcome the valley risk they limited when it ran depending on the winds and weather which was the excuse they used to close it early. Risking such a major coaster project at a major theme park is even more embarrassing than contracting Zamperla to reimagine a strata coaster with a swing launch.

>>2814113
IIRC the track pieces shipped in a way where the supports had to be grinded off and rewelded in new positions because the company did the math wrong and the bolts weren't lining up.

From top to bottom the coaster was a beautiful clusterfuck. It's appearance in Sharknado was spiritually so appropriate because it's the shitty intentionally-bad B-movie of rollercoasters

>>2814111
That’s right you filthy GP casual. Rip Ride is a GP coaster ridden by and intimidating casuals with its shitty eyesore layout for 16 years. The vertical lift…so scary! If you’re a fucking retard that is. The loop de loop that isn’t even a loop made a lot of casuals shit themselves in fear. They were too stupid to realize what a garbage coaster it was because they’d never been to a park that wasn’t Universal or Disney. But you can choose your soundtrack on an iPod touch from 2007.

>>2814120
Damn bro you're the coolest faggot in the theme park general on 4chan. We're all in awe of how fucking cool you are. I bet you smoke cigars on the rides and slap the ride ops with your massive donkey cock on the way out

>>2814113
Dual lift chains isn't a single point of failure, that's why there are 2. As an example, Intamin's vertical lift at Hersheypark doesn't have ARBs and uses a dual chain setup.

>There was a catastrophic design flaw in the part holding the trains together
What catastrophe happened?
>To overcome the valley risk they limited when it ran depending on the winds and weather
That's normal at any park
>even more embarrassing than contracting Zamperla to reimagine a strata coaster
Thoosies have to get over themselves, it worked

>>2814116
Sounds like the China crap you put together with an Allen wrench. They were the wrong manufacturer to use for this. Intamin and Zierer both had vertical lift coasters. The Zierer one used LSMs and had its track made by Stakotra (same as Intamin). Everybody always says there weren’t many options back then aside from B&M who was supposedly tied up but that’s not true. Intamin was riskier at the time but not as risky as an unproven unknown like Maurer. If it was an Intamin it would probably also had teething issues and capacity lower than promised but it would probably still be running today without any eminent closure

>>2814132
The Universal of the 2010s was just L after L after L and only recently has this trend began to turn around.

Removing RRR is kind of a physical metaphor for erasing the damage of that decade. Now they just have to find a way to add Jaws back.

>>2814120
>>2814127
The anon is right that the coaster sucked but he needs to shut the fuck up either way. He loves to get butthurt and shit up the generals with posts calling anyone criticizing disney a retard when their bullshit is way more deserving of criticism than anything Universal does.
Defending disney at every turn is gayest thing imaginable and he hates himself for sucking so much dick.

>>2814132
>from B&M who was supposedly tied up but that’s not true
How would you know?

>but not as risky as an unproven unknown like Maurer.
Maurer had been building coasters more than 15 years before RRR opened

>>2814127
You’re just jealous of my big black credit count (whips out massive wacky worm).
>>2814128
I thought Fahrenheit had anti rollbacks. But it doesn’t need them if the chains can both break and there isn’t a safety issue from rolling back. There was no catastrophe, Universal caught the design flaw before it happened and Maurer did a recall. Yes winds cause valleying at any park but this coaster was at a greater risk of it when it went up the hill after the non inverted loop. You probably have seen it valleyed if you’ve been there multiple times in its first few years (might have been covered with a tarp).

>>2814137
That ain’t me. Disney parks are gay. I can criticize rip ride and still like universal.
>>2814139
I meant it wasn’t true that there weren’t a lot of options back then. Maurer was still an unknown who mostly made mice coasters. Intamin had made Millennium Force, Top Thrill Dragster, Kingda Ka, Maverick, the Superman coasters, Californian Screamin for Disney (and their moving gondola Ferris wheel), and Universal had worked with them before (they made BTTF’s ride system). And all these years later they’re replacing Rockit with an Intamin

>>2814137
>>2814142
Being a fanboy of anything is fucking gay. We're adult fans of theme parks and should realistically all kill ourselves so I don't see any reason for there to be any feelings of superiority over who is the fan of the coolest park.

>>2814140
>There was no catastrophe,
So it wasn't catastrophic
>Universal caught the design flaw before it happened and Maurer did a recall.
That's how service bulletins get created. A park contacts the manufacturer with a problem and they come up with a solution, and if it's serious enough the manufacturer sends out a service bulletin to every applicable operator telling them what to do. Every manufacturer does it.

>>2814142
>Maurer was still an unknown who mostly made mice coasters.
They had built a handful of vertical lift coasters before RRR.
Every manufacturer has to get a start somewhere. Even Intamin was a nobody a long time ago, B&M was too, Vekoma, all of them. If not for parks taking the risk of working with new manufacturers there wouldn't be many coasters at all - although Maurer was far from an unknown by the time RRR came around.

Are there any parks that go all out with theming besides Disney and Universal? Let’s say the cutoff for this is that all staff must be in themed uniforms - not just polos or t-shirts. This is the threshold to me.

>>2814154
Europe has like 10. In America only place I can think of that fits the bill is Dreamwalk Park in Utah but they dont have rides. More of an interactive walkthrough thing

>>2814154
>Let’s say the cutoff for this is that all staff must be in themed uniforms - not just polos or t-shirts.
Ironically Six Flags used to have themed uniforms. Got rid of that shortly after Time Warner sold the parks

>>2814146
Maurer was still unknown then and unknown now. They were unproven at that scale and they failed. They got fired before it was finished similar to RCCA. They nearly went out of business and all they make now are smaller mice coasters. Sure everybody started somewhere but this sort of project at a major multi billion dollar theme park should never have been given to them.

>>2814128
>Thoosies have to get over themselves, it worked
It works great. It didn’t go down once today or Saturday and only barely went down yesterday. Sadly it’s probably done more harm than good to Zamperla’s coaster reputation, however, Cedar Flags seems to still like them. Zamperla employees were spotted at Siren’s Curse’s station taking videos and notes for some reason. Makes me wonder if they’re considering contracting a station mod to Zamperla to add a 3rd train. But why they wouldn’t just use Vekoma is strange

>>2814003
Mostly kickstart my heart sometimes stronger

>>2814155
Which ones in Europe? Planning a trip next year.

>>2814167
>Sadly it’s probably done more harm than good to Zamperla’s coaster reputation, however
How could that be?
>Thoosies have to get over themselves, it worked
It’s pretty amazing but it could be smoother.

>>2814160
>>2814167
>Maurer was still unknown then and unknown now.
Most Maurer rides are still operational and they've built a bunch of coasters since RRR. They're a minor player but hardly unknown.

>They were unproven at that scale
Every company is "unproven at that scale" until they're not. The first hyper was unproven, the first hyper not built by Arrow was unproven, the first giga, the first shuttle loop, the first invert, everything was unproven at one time. Sometimes a new ride is a dud. But if it pays off it can be a big hit for the park, which is why they and designers are always taking risks and pushing the envelope. Every manufacturer has had duds or rides that experienced significant initial problems, though.

>Sadly it’s probably done more harm than good to Zamperla’s coaster reputation
No it hasn't. They got it fixed and working and everyone can see they did. Took longer than expected, but that's a risk the park was willing to take.

>Makes me wonder if they’re considering contracting a station mod to Zamperla to add a 3rd train. But why they wouldn’t just use Vekoma is strange
Companies in any industry always look at what their competition is up to. Very likely Vekoma guys were checking out Zamperla's work when they got the chance. And Vekoma declared bankruptcy after the Deja Vu clones didn't work as intended - are they a bad ride builder too?

>>2814094
You rarely see "true" vloggers but every retard and their mom has an iphone on a gymbal streaming to instagram for no reason

>>2814185
Aren’t there only 3 lightning coasters? 1 is a ground up build. It’s only been a year though. It could definitely be smoother and I think most of that is the seats being so high off the ground and probably not fixable. Worse in the back. Worse on the silver train. I had a good ride in the blue train in the middle the other day. It wobbled a little but it wasn’t nearly as bad as my silver train ride in the back last month. When it’s not wobbling badly it’s one of the best coasters in the world. Probably still is even when wobbling badly

>>2814186
>are they a bad ride builder too?
They were for many years. I don’t know how one goes from making SLCs to the smoothest coasters in the industry. Maybe that Disney R&D helped. I rode The Flash and Siren’s Curse recently and I’ve never been on a smoother tubular steel track coaster. Speaking of Siren’s Curse, Coaster Studios pointed out that its layout is for sale as a clone called Cliffhanger on Vekoma’s website. This would be the #1 ride at the majority of amusement parks in the US (and probably the world).. and Cedar Point of all places wound up with it first where it is overshadowed by 4 other rides (I personally think the tilt gimmick plus the layout is a little better than Maverick though)

>>2814198
>lightning coasters
wtf is that

>I personally think the tilt gimmick plus the layout is a little better than Maverick though
What could he possibly have meant by this bros. I mean the tilt gimmick is unique and fun but the rest of layout is nothing special in its shape.

>>2814204
>I don’t know how one goes from making SLCs to the smoothest coasters in the industry
The bankruptcy. Either figure your shit out or die, they figured it out. Even then it was a hard fought battle to get back in the US market.

>>2814208
Have you been on it? Maverick is one of my favorite coasters. Siren’s Curse has a surprisingly good layout and the overall package (the tilt is better experienced than watched) for me edges it out. It will be nothing special once there are a half dozen clones but right now it has a pretty great series of elements and (unique… for now) layout.

>>2814154
For a small midwest park Lost Island went ham on theming in almost every angle but that, but I feel like having a human explorer character in the streetmosphere cast makes the khaki uniforms of the "Guides" work because you can imagine them being members of her research team or something.

>>2814227
Yes I’ve been on both. Loved the tilt but the rest just struck me as generic steel twister. I think Maverick is clearly the better complete package. With the multiple launches it has surprises of its own, and if I had ridden both 10 times I think Maverick would age better as the Siren’s gimmick would fade somewhat.

>>2814254
I'm go glad I can just go to a theme park and not think like this

>>2814254
I'm so glad I can just go to a theme park and not think like this

>>2814254
They also have staff dressed up as members of the different regional tribes walking around the park, greeting guests.

>>2814342
>barechested muscley men

Oh no, they didn't see what happens to Tarzan and Aladdin did they...

>>2814342
>>2814376
>>2814377
>>2814378
Racism must go crazy here.

>>2814264
I don’t consider the Siren’s layout generic. It’s got a triple down and sideways airtime plus the smooth corkscrew inversions. The tilt is always going to be the best the first time you ride it but you’re still dangling from the stretchy vests and it has a similar vibe to a drop tower so I don’t know if it will get old. It also helps that it’s super smooth and the trains/restraints are comfortable. Audio is a nice touch. Since I can’t ride Maverick for the first time again, I don’t know which I would prefer. Maverick was instantly my favorite coaster in 2007 and the 2nd launch was a surprise I didn’t know about. It was amazing. But I haven’t liked it as much in recent years and it’s not because I’ve ridden it too much. Overall I’ve ridden Steel Vengeance more and that’s still my favorite coaster.

Regardless, SC would be the best coaster at a lot of parks and at Cedar Point it’s 4 or 5. That’s probably a good argument that it should have gone to a smaller park but I also think it would be a waste at a smaller park. It’s a clonable layout offered on Vekoma’s site but it’s probably not cheap.

>>2814399
I’m curious about the cost, closest I can find is when Energylandia ordered it, it cost the equivalent of $12 million USD in 2022. Inflation plus shipping to the US would raise the price but all the R&D is done so a clone might be even cheaper. Maybe something like $15 million USD (Cedar Point probably paid even less than this since it was a double hand-me-down). $15 million isn’t bad for a small park investment. IMO though, this chain should still primarily focus their investments on the larger parks and markets.

>>2814254
>>2814342
>>2814376
>>2814377
>>2814378
This park interests me but it’s too far from anything I want to visit. I can justify a 10 hour drive if there are places I want to visit along the way. It’s about 5 hours from anything else that interests me. I hope it finds some way to be successful.

>>2814254
>>2814342
>>2814376
>>2814377
>>2814378
>some random family in iowa had $100 million to spend on a theme park in the middle of nowhere

>>2814267
You're not autistic enough for this thread.

>>2814402
The true cost of a ride never gets disclosed, the cost figure parks always give includes the ride, initial planning, geotechnical work, utility work, fencing, station, ground clearing, footers, landscaping, theming, queue line, train shed, labor and so on. The cost of the actual new ride itself (track, control system, and trains) is almost never disclosed to the public, at least in the US. You just have to keep that in mind when referring to given prices.

>>2814399
Triple down to me sounds three air time bunny hills but only the latter half of each of them. Rare maybe but for a reason. Corkscrew I would call generic. Smooth absolutely but that doesn’t change the layout itself. Sideways airtime I just missed. Maybe that’s not my thing.

As for the tilt, there’s a difference between drop towers and what I would say is a better version of this element in B&M dives, and that’s that the Siren’s Curse drop is extremely short. I mean just look at it. The train is three times as long as the drop before the track curves out of it. I was in the front row looking right at it and thought “is this it?” Compare that to a dive like Valravn where there is a lengthy free fall portion before the track bends forward. If I’m on a dive in the front row, especially on the outer seat, that hang is always special because I know I’m about to free fall. SC compares even more unfavorably to drop towers which of course are taller and perfectly straight down.

Family coaster is not the right word but to me Siren’s track clearly occupies the third tier of coasters with, well, other Vekoma coasters that would work for babby’s first real roller coaster. Stuff like Blue Hawk and their boomerangs come to mind. Maverick would be in the top tier with the rest of CP’s big 4. Second tier would be stuff like wings and dives.

>>2814415
Not necessarily. Autism doesn’t necessarily mean you’re into larp and immersion that way. I’m autistic as fuck but I’ve never felt the “wow it’s like I’m really in Diagon Alley” thing a lot of normies say they feel in Orlando because my brain is telling me “it’s not real” 10 times a second.

>>2814405
It’s funny, when I lived in Chicago I was trying to really check Iowa off my list (I had ridden I-29 but that was it), but when I asked /trv/ for what to do in Iowa the answer was literally nothing. This was before my /tpg/ phase though. If I was still there I’d definitely find a Saturday to go.

>>2814411
Said family ran a very successful cabinet shop, and they kept seeing fellow Iowans drive all the way to the Wisconsin Dells for waterparks in the summer, so they decided to make their own. The waterpark was pretty sparsely populated for the first few years, but word of mouth and continued expansion over its 25-year run has grown it into one being regarded as one of the best waterparks in the country. I'm pretty sure they're banking on a similar thing happening with the theme park, but for now the huge profits from the waterpark are completely subsidizing the dry park's losses.

>>2814433
Hard disagree and now I doubt you’ve been on it. Valravn sucks, the two might look superficially similar but they’re different sensations when you’re on them. You’re completely vertical on SC and on dive coasters you’re not. SC is not supposed to be an elite world class top 10 coaster but it punches above its weight and exceeded my expectations.

>>2814446
Some of the theming there is actually surprisingly good but it still looks super sparse and cheap. Also, I don't think you can call any park a "theme park" if there's no berm insulating you from the outside world.

>>2814448
Disagree with what? I said lots of things. SC’s drop is objectively short. It’s three times as short as the train itself. Doesn’t matter so much that you’re “completely vertical” if you’re just going to drop straight into a curve. Dives aren’t completely vertical but it’s a better sensation considering there’s an actual drop and you’re hanging much more freely, compared to SC where you’re sitting in a car with your feet on the ground.

Agreed that Valravn sucks. I’m a B&M hater though.

>>2814454
There's partial berms near the entry gate and along part of the west side of the lake to at least mask some of the surrounding farmland, but they really wanted that "Looking at Magic Kingdom from the other side of Seven Seas Lagoon" viewpoint on the road between the theme park and waterpark.

>>2814459
>Page 10
who's baking?

>>2814436
What you're describing is not what I'm talking about. Obviously none of the themechads ACTUALLY think we're transported to another world. You don't have to unironically believe you're in Diagon Alley to love the theming. It's an art form.

>>2814154
Dollywood is probably the closest you're going to get in the US, at least in terms of major parks.

>>2814454
>Also, I don't think you can call any park a "theme park" if there's no berm insulating you from the outside world.
Fuck off

>>2814458
>I’m a B&M hater though.
Based

>>2814486
I mean not literally transported but their brains let them feel the illusion that they’re there. Mine doesn’t.
>>2814487
Cool. I hope to go there soon. Last time I was there was 2007 and it seemed to be a nothingpark, so I’m excited to see it full bloom.

>>2814458
>Dives aren’t completely vertical but it’s a better sensation considering there’s an actual drop and you’re hanging much more freely, compared to SC where you’re sitting in a car with your feet on the ground.
You’ve definitely never been on it. You’re not just “sitting in a car with your feet on the ground” you are fully vertical and hanging by your elastic vest restraint. It is not the same sensation as a dive, ironically on a dive you are just sitting in a car because even in the front it never hangs you in a vertical position. Your legs dangling are irrelevant because the sensation is different, you’re hanging on one and leaning forward on the other. The drop length also doesn’t matter at this height, they’re not much different. If you’re in the back in SC you go above the 160ft tower. Most people think the 100ft drop on Maverick is more intense than Millennium because it’s beyond vertical and you take it at speed. I always thought the shorter Demon Drop’s drop was more intense than Power Tower and I stand by that having ridden it again at Dorney a few weeks ago.

I like B&M, their hyper model and inverts are great. Valravn would be better if it dove into a hole or a cave and had a splash down. Also the classic restraints would be better for this type of ride.

>>2814495
>I mean not literally transported but their brains let them feel the illusion that they’re there

This year's HHN especially in Orlando looks like absolute shit, literally.
>Terrifier has actual shit gags with shit scent pods and gored children edgelord trash like the movies
>It also requires you to wear a poncho because they're planning to pour buckets of water on you for some reason and they think people are going to enjoy getting drenched in a haunted house and smelling shit
>The other main IP headliner is based on a FPS game series that isn't scary or interesting enough to adapt into a compelling indoor walkthrough
>One of the houses is based on WWE and has the aesthetics of some trailer trash kid's nu-metal CD collection he bought at hot topic in 2001
>One of the houses is Five Nights at Freddie's the gayest horror IP that has ever existed
>Jason Universe is the only IP-based house that looks any good
>All the original non-IP houses have the worst most generic ideas and promotional art associated with them
>Scare zones all seem as unimaginative as the houses
I can't believe we already planned and locked ourselves in to HHN this year. If we had booked a refundable place to stay we would be cancelling, especially after that midsummer scream panel. Hope some of the original stuff is better than it sounds because I hate the Terrifier series and the house sounds like it represents everything I dislike about it. All the headliners except Jason sound like potentially the worst HHN houses in recent history. And the non-IP houses are dolls and gay hispanic shit. It's going to suck isn't it? Hopefully we will finally get a good day at Epic on this trip at least, unlike when we went earlier back in June. If not, we probably won't be returning to Universal Orlando for many years.

>>2814184
Efteling in the Netherlands and Phantasialand/Europa Park in Germany are the biggest ones.

>>2814643
Sounds like money to me.

>>2814643
>The other main IP headliner is based on a FPS game series that isn't scary or interesting enough to adapt into a compelling indoor walkthrough
Worse, it's based on the TV show which is even less scary and interesting than the games. I agree that the IP lineup seems pretty bad this year (though I am hoping the WWE house might give creative enough leeway to make something interesting like with the Weeknd house a few years ago). However, I have to disagree about the originals. I think they sound great this year. Wild West demon bounty hunters, the norse folklore house, and Francisco Goya house all seem cool. The other two are more questionable to me, but I think they have potential if done right. I also think the scarezones sound much better than last year, which probably had the weakest lineup since I started going.

>>2814643
I don’t get how these people can be terrified of 200 ft coasters but love going into a room with shit being thrown on them and seeing gored children

Not going

>>2814773
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v02exJjNKxk

I'd like Halloween Horror Nights more without all the jumpscares. I like the theming and stuff. I just find people jumping out at me kind of annoying.