>cuts your main from Smash 6
Nothing personnel, Anonymous

>>712414973 (OP)
>Smash 6
I Main Mario

Ganondorf has been in since Melee, he's not getting cut. I hope there's some heavy cleanup, I don't give a shit about roster faggotry. We did all the wacky crossovers, Sora, Steve, wow. Okay, novelty is gone. Let's get rid of all the garbage.

>>712414973 (OP)
I'm hoping he adds my main, actually.

>>712415031
Cut, bitch

>>712415221
y'know they could make a whole ryu moveset out of his claws, his lunar staff, his hammer, whatever. but due to nintendo's autism about MUH FANSERVICE it'll either be 90% sword or it'll be a dumb hodgepodge that doesn't click, like every attack pulls out a random weapon like a NASB character

Imagine caring one bit about this. I play tons of characters, always different in every game. What I want you to do is make a GOOD GAME this time, one that isn't a complete pain in the ass to play and an unbalanced mess at that. In ultimate I had to wait 20 minutes minimum to get a match online, I can't switch characters, I can't select stages and we get some diarrhea background that gives me a headache, I get random fucking joke rules that I'm not allowed to disconnect from, the opponent character is loaded with gay 0-to-deaths while my character, that I cannot switch out of, doesn't even have a safe on shield move. Oh, but all the anime sword dudes get to mash on your shield anything they want like this was suddenly Strive or something. Fuck ultimate and fuck you.

>>712414973 (OP)
>Mains Falcon
Sure.
I also play Terry, and Sakurai is a confirmed SNKfag so I feel Terry is safe.

all of the characters play the same anyway you're just abusing short hops into fast air normals to open someone up

>>712415221
>The Saudi Prince will guarantee my main stays in
>Owns SNK
>Has some stake in Nintendo
Inshallah

>>712416310
This. Oh no, my main was cut, if only there were 30 other characters that played the exact same way but with maybe one unique move.

>>712416310
>all of the characters play the same anyway
It's why taking the modpill is the way to go until the next game.

>>712414973 (OP)
>he doesn't know
Sakurai's retiring after Air Ride 2

>>712416928

>>712414973 (OP)
i hope they drop all those collabs and introduce new ones. I don't give a fuck about persona and such crap games.

>>712416932
Smash will stay alive with or without him, it's next to Mario Kart as Nintendo's biggest money printer

>>712417049
Joker was only included because of P5R releasing on Switch. With P4R not confirmed to come to Switch 2 and Persona 6 a fucking decade away, Smash should be safe from the anime menace.

>>712414973 (OP)
kirby isn't getting cut but joker probably will.
but he'll get replaced with will from metaphor.

>Never getting cut + Mechanic and Octoling in Smash 6
Yup

>>712414973 (OP)
Samus is part of the original 12, so I'm safe.

what was his problem?

guys what if:
smash ultimate switch 2 edition: all the DLC included PLUS new content

>>712417952
This is the worst case scenario

>>712417952
I wouldn't even think of buying it. Give me a fresh coat of paint or fuck off.

>>712415031
Mari-who?

>>712418139
it's also not likely since smash games don't really get remade.
>>712418221
honestly I think it's for the best if the roster got trimmed

How would you feel about a roster where, ignoring the "celebration of gaming" thing, only relevant IPs and a few grandfathered characters were included

>>712414973 (OP)
My main will be there no matter what

>>712417952
based. i'd buy it but only if the new content looks fun

>>712418770
this chart is retarded.

>>712418770
>turd parties
I expect capcom and konami boys to be there, prolly sonic too. doubts on squarekikes.

>>712418770
I don't know what makes you think Pyra/Mythra guaranteed. I'd think there would be a better chance of getting swapped with whatever the latest Xenoblade star is.

>>712419036
they would really have to put in significant content like a new mode, maybe bring back smash run only actually good this time.

>>712414973 (OP)
never got that idea how he is one of the hardest working devs in the industry.
smash animations and graphics are nothing that special compared to other games and literally every franchise he asks easily gives him the greenlight to put them into his game.
sure it is still work but nothing that much more crazy then 3d game development in general.

>>712419051
Yeah konami whore's out their IP's to indie games like dead cells and vampire survivors, they wouldn't say no to smash.

>>712418770
Genuinely one of the most dogshit lists I've ever seen, even considering the question you posed. How fucking stupid are you?

Not buying a new smash game until they make a true sequel to melee

>>712418770
>7th most popular in Japan
>Cut

Reminder you're stuck with her forever~

>>712419204
you have to factor in that every character has to have unique animations for every action and there's more then 80, it's not as easy as you think.

>>712418770
>licensing hell
>ryu

>>712419281
it's been over 20 years at this point, move the fuck on, stinky smelee pedo.

>>712419194
is it bad if i kinda want a new subspace emmissary type story mode?
and another fighter pass is a given in this hypothetical scenario.

>>712419204
3rd parties are probably a pain to work with because the characters have to be just right and there's gonna be rules of dos and don'ts

>>712414973 (OP)
Would he really cut Dark Pit? Sure he feels cuttable but it's also one of HIS characters...

>>712419546
it's not harder then what nintendo already does with Mario if you think about it.

Kirby not being able to hold the keyblade is total BS though, fucking mouse cunts.

>>712419281
The best you're getting is a spiritual successor to Project M

>>712419780
I've yet to see a smash clone that gets it correct.

>>712419746
>Kirby not being able to hold the keyblade is total BS though, fucking mouse cunts.
exactly

>>712419943
Rivals 2 is the only non-Smash platform fighter that gets it right. Most importantly, the animations and how it feels to control your character are great. I've played pretty much every platform fighter to an extent and I'd rank the ones I've enjoyed as
1. Melee
2. RoA2
3. PM / P+ / Legacy XP
Power gap
4. Slap City
5. Ultimate (pre-Fighter's Pass)
6. Ultimate (post-Fighter's Pass)

>>712420227
if jack sparrow can hold when what's the fucking harm of Kirby holding it? like does it really matter THAT much? it's not going to hurt the sales of kingdom hearts in any way I can understand some things like Mario not using a real gun but shit like that is just moronic

>>712419637
He'll cut Dark Pit as a smokescreen for keeping Palutena and Pit, who haven't appeared in a game for 13 years (and won't ever again)

>>712419746
Kirby manifesting his own keyblade out of light is honestly cooler

>>712420475
Ness has been in more smash game then his own, Hell lucas' game didn't even get a translation (and most likely never will given the content not being PC/distasteful to westerners) years/when games came out mean jack shit to sakurai.

So knowing that Nintendo refuses to make iterative games and Ultimate already did the "everybody's here" thing, what retarded gimmick will they implement to justify cutting the roster in half?

>>712419441
This, but also add in Terry.
capcom and nu-SNK will collab with fucking ANYTHING

>>712420726
Kirby solo's any and all kingdom hearts ass pulls.
>>712420993
3D battles rather then 2D, screen cap this.

>>712418770
Relevance was always retarded because Ice Climbers got in when they only had one game and it was 2 decades before Melee. Always spouted by idiots
>Sonic
>Licensing hell
Lol. Lmao even.

>>712418770
The only AAA company that would maybe give Nintendo annoyance would be R*.

>>712421310
Disney was super autistic about Sora and the keyblade

>>712421174
>>712421310
i just didn't give a shit about licensed characters

>>712421384
Yeah, Yidsney's a given

Next smash needs to be substantially different anyway. Only retards want "Ultimate 2 with Waluigi and Geno."

>>712421384
Elaborate

On this day 7 years ago, Bomberman was announced as an assist trophy in Smash bros.

Ever since that day, Bomberman has been a lolcow in the video game industry and has never been taken seriously. R2 flopped, Bombergirl is more profitable and Konami refuses to make a collection or put his games on NSO, making people realize that this character was a loser and failure all along.

>>712414973 (OP)
Yeah, right, he wouldn't cut Captain Falcon
R-right?

>>712421825
Watch sakurai's devleopment videos/interviews, he talks about how, in the trailer for Sora, Disney was extremely strict about not letting Mario catch the keyblade and they had to change it like a million times, that's why it's on fire and why Kirby had to be given a keyblade of light of his own.

>>712422119
Enter

>>712422119
Falcon is not only staying, but will have his moveset completely unchanged while a bunch of other characters get reworked

>>712422304
literally who?

>>712420254
You have your list reversed.

>>712420254
>M-Muh smelee
go take a shower, stinky.

>>712418770
>Lucario isn't guaranteed but blade titties are
>Lucina and >>>Byleth an entire tier over Marth, the face of Fire Emblem, and Ike, the most popular Fire Emblem character
>Sonic isn't several tiers above every other third party character
You are not a clown. You're the entire circus.

Also, if Pokemon Trainer doesn't return, Charizard does. Zard isn't getting cut.

>>712421671
why anyone gives two shits about a random puppet from a single game that wasn't that interesting is beyond me
>b-but the remake!
go to bed, Kirbother.

>>712422025
Good, his games are shit.

>>712422981
the real problem with bomber man is if you've played one, you've essentially played them all.

He already cut Ice climbers once. It was the first Smash bros character I played, kinda grew attached to those little goobers. I had no idea who they were so I was curious what they played like.

>>712414973 (OP)
I main Kirby and Pikachu.

They are literally never getting cut from the roster.

>>712422025
Hudson Soft went defunct twice, smash is no place for washed up loser.

>>712423753
then why is Sonic still in?

>>712423818
To win unlike Trash Bandicuck who will never ever get in.

>>712423818
Sega, the company never went defunct. You are aware Hudson also did Turbografx 16 which was a huge fucking failure? At least Mega Drive sold.

I've mained ROB since Brawl. The fact that he still does not have a stage after SEVENTEEN YEARS should tell you enough about how much Soccerguy cares about him.

>>712422364
Falcon doesn't really need a new moveset, it's perfect as-is.

>>712424329
Raptor Boost and Falcon Kick deserve more depth, like what the PM team did with Koopa Claw

>>712414973 (OP)
I've come to accept that banjo and kazooie won't make it back

>>712424450
Microsoft is in full cuck mode. They will put their shit in any game now. In fact I wonder if Banjo will return for the new Sonic racing game since Stinky Steve is joining.

>>712414973 (OP)
No worries

>>712417245
>anime menace
Japanese game
Japanese company
Cope

>>712414973 (OP)
My mains are Link and Pacman so I'm good.

I want Absa

>>712422025
Laugh at Bombermanfags
>has 100+ games
>one of the most copied games of all time
>revolutionized multi-player in gaming
>had the first HD game ever
>launched the successful B-Daman toyline
>good Nintendo history and had a crossover with Wario and Mario Party 2 unused content
>has other crossovers with Pac-Man, Transformers, Yatterman and Lilo & Stich
>still gets BTFO in SSB and became a complete laughtingstock by everyone
>series gets overshadowed by waifufags and coomers beacuse of Bombergirl despite them never playing the game
>R got outsold by the new Momotetsu, a fellow Hudson IP that was only released in Japan.
>no console game for 5 years
>No games on NSO
>40th anniversary came and went with no fanfare or events. R2 flopped hard
What a fucking loser. Imagine being a Bombercuck in 2024

>>712424730
>even japs hate nuWario
based

>>712421174
There's usually one or two outlier characters, but the general tendency is for characters relevant to Nintendo at the time to be added/prioritized

>>712424450
Banjo is among the most likely third-parties to return given how deeply he is integrated into Nintendo's history.

>>712424580
>>712424931
True I'm not keeping my hopes up thought it would be cool to see the Diddy Kong Racing crew make it in Mario kart world

>>712424931
>deep
>had 2 games and fucked off forever
even Bomberman had a deeper history, and he got BTFO

>>712422706
>Marth, the face of Fire Emblem,
Took 5 years to win a popularity contest and when he won, he still came in 2nd to an NPC. Marth isn't that popular in the fanbase.
>Ike, the most popular Fire Emblem character
All the polls he won were before 3H was even released. 3H is undoubtebly the most popular game in the franchise.

>>712424920
Japanese Wario has always been a gross joke. Why would a kid vote for him instead of a cool anime guy/gal?

>>712424931
I don't care if Scamco is making the games. Remove Kekken since they won't port their games at all and add a fighting character that actually does have Nintendo history.

>>712422783
A lot of the people who still want Geno were massively autistic 12 year olds when Brawl came out and they heard about the cool puppet with star powers who didn't make it in.
Now they are 30, still autistic, and have spent way too much time in their echo chambers.

>>712425183
add nightmare from Soulcalibur instead

>>712425568
I find your terms acceptable.

>>712425654
Fuck tekken

>>712425820
Agreed but I wanted a higher quality punching bag over his Mii.

>remove all jap rpg characters
>remove all Pokémon characters
>remove all crossover characters
>insert waluigi
>win

>>712424931
It's more because Sakurai said Microsoft was surpringly east to work with and gave them Steve and various mii costumes too. Wouldn't be surprised if Steve was base roster next game.

Modern Smash has no value beyond the roster.
The reason ultimate was successful is the roster.
Therfore next smash games are just going to continue the rosterfagotry.

>>712427590
It's time to move on and take a shower.

>>712427590
I can't wait for AI rosterfaggotry

>>712414973 (OP)
Kirby? lol

>>712419367
who

>>712417115
>Nintendo's biggest money printer
No that would be Switch Online subscriptions.

>>712416556
and it'll be one of the very few successes snk actually sees in life kek

>>712414973 (OP)
I hope he doesn't get rid of byleth or sephiroth

>>712418770
You can combine Zelda and Shiek into one character to cut an additional spot.

>>712418770
i don't mind cuts as long as it's because you aren't recycling absolutely anything, that includes animations
because some companies love to recycle content from previous games and STILL fail to meet the previous game's launch roster size, begging the question, what the fuck did recycling benefit in expediting anything if you still held off content to make us pay twice for it, dickweed

not that i'm talking about any company in particularcoughsnkcoughkofxvcough

>>712418770
>most of the characters in "licensing hell" are from the fighters pass

>>712416310
>>712416680
This is why I play hero. If the funny dq man gets cut it's so fucking over

>>712419943
This. I have yet to see one that can get the aerial movement to not look like the characters are just weightlessly sliding around off stage. Smash Bros has weight to it and the off stage movement has stakes because of it.

>>712418770
I would rather they rework some of the originals to make them more distinct. Mario's moveset feels out of place in a game with hero's menu and arsene

>>712432434
same. It's ridiculous that ganon is still a falcon clone after 20 years (despite the fact that I love playing ganon)

>he thinks there will be a Smash 6
also, why didn't they make a Switch 2 upgrade version for Ultimate?

>>712432630
it just released anon

>>712415113
honestly I feel like they didn't go far enough characters like master chief or lara croft like major gaming icons should have all been included. They clearly wanted to too they had assassin creed, doom and elder scrolls mii costumes there probably just wasn't enough time or budget to put everyone in.

>>712420254
For me rivals 2 is worth it just to get away from melee players. I feel like they've gotten pettier and pettier.

>>712422304
>>712422382
*Focker

>>712432209
Hero is one of the only interesting characters in the entire game

>>712432819
There's no winning with platform fighter communities. At least Rivals is mostly normal people and PM players. It's not like you have to interact with anyone on ranked / casual either.

Look man, I don't care aabout the roster anymore. Rosterfagging feels like spiraling out of control into more and more hardcore fetishes where you never find satisfaction. 20 characters is plenty if they play different enough and are mostly all viable.
The next game could have 500 characters and I wouldn't be excited if the online is as shit as it already is, and if I keep getting random suicides from the 5 minute input buffer and input delay. You know, for a game that boasts being easy to newcomers, it sure as fuck is hard to make your inputs do what you want them to.

>>712415979
Even in the middle of the night I don't have a problem matching with people, on rare occasions I have to wait a few minutes but that's not often. You'll occasionally match up with people with retarded rules like 1 stock, final smashes, short timer, etc but that's maybe 1% of the time for me. Are you playing in elite Smash? Other than that I agree the game is an imbalanced mess and I'd much rather have a smaller roster with better gameplay. I honestly felt Smash 4 was more balanced before Bayonetta fucked it all up.

>>712417952
If they haven't had balance patches till this point they won't ever with this game. I don't give a fuck about more content, they need to start fresh again.

I fucking hate how clashing with projectiles locks you into an animation and the projectile user punishes you. Instead of being rewarded for negating projectiles with your attacks you get punished. As if projectiles didn't have enough of an advantage. You also can't immediately shield out of a dash to deal with projectile spam. It's retarded.

>>712414973 (OP)
>Smash 6
Not happening in at least 3 years.

>>712424730
>japs hating on simon and richter CHADmont
>while clamoring for bitchboys sora, joker and byleth
japs and shit taste, name a more iconic duo

>>712435343
Nobody wants to deal with Castlevania physics in a platform fighter

>>712435918
didn't melee have actual momentum based physics? I know it's not exactly like castlevania but it did have physics

>>712414973 (OP)
He's not going to make Smash 6.
Either Smash 6 will be made by someone else or Ultimate is the last Smash Bros. game.

>>712432695
there is no smash ultimate upgrade version for switch 2

>>712436678
fucking finally

>>712424730
hooooly fucking shit taste

>>712435343
The Belmonts feel like shit to control. They have the worst air acceleration in the roster while also having some of the skinniest aerials. It's so easy to break through their zoning and knock them offstage where they need to recover with their bottom 5 recovery.

What is this autistic obsession with cutting characters? For years now, everyone has been 100% confident that Smash 6 will have a much smaller roster based on nothing but speculation, yet you all "know" that it's a fact just as much as the Grinch leak was because it couldn't be wrong if you all keep telling each other this is how it'll be, right? And why do you WANT that? You seem almost giddy at the prospect of the next game having less content than the one before it. This is the weirdest type of autism I've seen.

>>712414973 (OP)
No one is getting cut in the next installment of Smash. It will either be Ultimate 2 or Switch 2 edition with fighters pass 3

>>712414973 (OP)
I main peach

>>712415113
thats what im thinking, giving the stated complexity of navigating all the licensing for ultimate, they should start fresh

>No reference to Gyakuten Saiban
>Never adding Porky
I have 0 chance

>>712440727
its about cleaning house for the next generation of games

>>712440727
The more characters you have to add, the more you have to pony up. Atop of refreshing the licenses for the older guests, you have to get the money needed to license new faces, and then you have to balance the roster accordingly. This is also not counting the assists, spirits, costumes, cameos and so on. People only see the playable roster and not the side stuff that Sakurai also puts effort into, for better or worse. You also lower the chances of everyone returning if just one company decides to say NOPE when renegotiating contracts and licenses. A smaller roster means you can focus on other stuff that gives each Smash game its own flair and identity. Making every game into Ultimate 2.0 or 3.0 sets a dangerous precedent and will lose its appeal quickly just to shill an upcoming game for the Switch 2.

tl;dr the less baggage you're carrying, the better the development cycle goes.

>>712442571
>Gyakuten Saiban

>>712440727
Rosterfags have been asshurt that their meme picks didn't get in at the end, so keep spamming that the next version must obliterate the roster down to 10%, as if that somehow increases the chances of their shitty d-list picks getting in

Pay attention next time you see someone post a cutfag roster image, for what additions are made, its always the exact same basic bitch picks

>>712443873
that's petty.
there are so many characters in and a lot of them are pretty fun to play.
i don't really care who gets in at this point.

>>712443373
>have clothier wife
>one night she asks you to pose for a picture in one of her kimonos for her website
>you are tired and look like shit, but still agree to it because she's your wife
>people find your picture and uses it solely as a way to make fun of weebs and otakus online
poor guy

>>712443873
>that the next version must obliterate the roster down to 10%
no, just start fresh with new guys
no one is asking for a n64 level roster

>>712442990
I'm not him but how many characters do you think should be cut? Even if you halve the roster, that's still 41 characters in the base game. You wouldn't just be cutting characters like Snake and Cloud, but have to cut fan favorite first parties. What would we gain from that other than trophies and maybe a subspace mode? I assume we'd be cutting stages too. Most players would rather just have the option to play as many characters on as many stages possible. Sakurai won't make a Smash that he doesn't think tops the previous entry, the only way to top Ultimate is to do it again, dangerous precedent or not.

The next Smash Bros will cost $80+. It's reasonable to think the increased price would pay for licensing if Ultimate managed it. All of the companies involved have only gotten more open to crossovers in general in the last decade, and any potential hold outs still have a history of working with Sakurai and his proven track record of respecting and promoting the properties in Smash.

>>712423037
so like most game series, his games all play similarly?
i'm not even a bomberman rosterfag but, anon...

>>712432434
>Mario's moveset feels out of place in a game with hero's menu and arsene
huh? Mario was here first, Hero is the one who's out of place

>>712420993
Open world smash.

>>712418770
Isabelle isn't an echo fighter. Fat chance she'd ever get cut either way

>>712444289
Going by Sakurai's comments, not reusing the engine would result in a third of the roster staying, so high 20's, low 30's. That is pretty ideal for a new engine.
>What would we gain from that other than trophies and maybe a subspace mode?
Those same modes, but fleshed out. New modes and gameplay features even.

And the big one a lot of people aren't ready for: With an average of say 27-34 characters, you also have to consider the option for clones. Not that everyone will get one, but you can stretch your roster out better with them. Everyone is Here was a special occasion, even to where Japanese name calls is special. Doing it again makes it less special. It's not worth hoarding EVERYTHING, not just the roster, but everything Ultimate had by 2021 and then adding on to it. You have to take the new stuff into consideration with the old stuff.
>The next Smash Bros will cost $80+. It's reasonable to think the increased price would pay for licensing if Ultimate managed it
Ultimate was $60 when it released. This was also pre-covid. Post-covid, prices have risen and Nintendo themselves may not have the budget or the desire to allocate a budget for EVERYTHING in Ultimate alongside new stuff. I'm looking at this from a professional and logical standpoint; if Sakurai can't return or won't, they need a new guy to manage the series. The new guy won't be a Sakurai, he'll be a controlled face by Nintendo themselves. The game is completely different from when development started in 2016/17 to say, right this very minute as we're speaking. VERY different.

>>712442571
>Gyakuten Saiban
This nigga...

Why are options always Mega-Cut The Roster or Ultimate+? What about a middle ground that cuts more than usual for Smash, but still tries keeping the majority of the roster.

>>712446556
what if they just cut the clones and kept everyone else?

>>712446556
the truth is that no one knows what the future of smash is and these are the most obvious options:
>start over, but better
>fuckin uhh switch 2 edition

i just know sakurai will do something crazy with it and i'll likely have fun anyway.

>>712414973 (OP)
I hope we will never get another Smash

>>712416556
Hr was clearly Sakurai's main

>>712446641
clones wouldn't free up that much in terms of resources.

who can they even add that would generate hype?
they added all the big name characters.

>>712421384
nomura was the one who was particular about how he/the keyblade was presented not disney

>>712446995
Stop relying on epic third party inclusions and just make a solid game with a lot of other content. After Fortnite, crossovers aren't the big deal they used to be anymore.

>>712444842
Mario definitely doesn’t need a meter gimmick like that guy is suggesting, but his moveset could use a tweak. It’s weird that he doesn’t have ground pound, it’s such an iconic move.

>>712446556
>Why are options always Mega-Cut The Roster or Ultimate+? What about a middle ground that cuts more than usual for Smash, but still tries keeping the majority of the roster.
probably because those are the most compelling to discuss, a middle ground is what I've been thinking we'll mostly likely be getting

>>712414973 (OP)
*Doesn't buy it*
what now?

2B, Mai Shiranui, Chun-Li, Jill Valentine, KOS-MOS, Lip, Adeleine, Dixie Kong, Tinkaton, Saki Amamiya, and Ring Fit Trainee should be playable. Smash needs more female characters and sex appeal. Plus, they need more porn and I'm sure their inclusions will prevent boys from becoming homosexuals.

How would you feel about their inclusions?

>>712445987
Fair enough, if Sakurai doesn't return then I expect cuts, I just expect him to return. He said on his channel that he doesn't get paid during development on his games in return for making money on each copy sold, so I just expect him to make the most widespread appeal game after something less lucrative like a Kirby racer. Not that he's hurting for money, but I think from his pov, it's a win-win- the general audience wants as many characters as possible, and the more people that the game appeals to, the more copies are sold, and the happier both he and the companies he worked under/with are happy.

>>712447509
>2B
Meh
>Mai
Meh
>Chunli
Meh
>Dixie Kong
SEX
>Tinkaton
SEX

>>712447509
>2B
Not happening
>Mai
Not happening
>Chun-Li
Not happening
>Jill
Not happening
>KOS-MOS
Not happening
>Lip
Not happening
>Dixie Kong
Not happening
>Adelaine
Not happening
>Tinkaton
Definitely not happening
>Saki Amamiya
Not happening
>Ring Fit Trainee
Not happening

I would feel nothing, correspondingly.

>>712414973 (OP)
honestly good the roster needs to be cut down anyway also not buying a switch 2 so suck it

>>712446995
You know your roster is good when people are begging for nothing characters like Geno and Bandana Dee.
I’d rather they focus on making a bunch of new game modes. There’s a ton of ideas people have made in the stage creator, they just need to be refined and implemented properly.

>>712447609
>I just expect him to return. He said on his channel that he doesn't get paid during development on his games in return for making money on each copy sold
when did he say that I very much doubt it's true

>>712447242
so they could make smash 6 all first party and include a lot of weird characters like... toad idk?
or should they not bother with rosterfagging?

>>712447730
what nrw modes would you want?

>>712447509
Jill would be cool, but I have no doubt we'd see Leon before anyone else.

>>712447730
Its fucking stupid smash run was left to rot on the 3ds when everyone agreed it was cool as fuck. Combining elements from Kirby's Air ride was the coolest shit you could introduce next to sub space

>>712447673
>>2B
>Not happening
Literally the most whored out character in vidya next to Sonic.

>>712418770
>Ryu
>Sonic
>Bayonetta
>Pac Man
>Mega Man
>”””””””Licensing hell”””””””
I always forget that I share a website with disabled people. So many of you have no concept of how corporate relations work

>>712414973 (OP)
I fully expect him to, and I hope he does.
Make the cuts, refine the game, completely build it anew.

>>712448043
do you people seriously not get how smash characters work at this point

she doesn't have a game coming out on switch and she isn't pandering nostalgiabait

>>712448191
what if they put nier automata on switch 2?

>>712447835
Volleyball, mini-golf, escape room puzzles, Only Up courses, platforming speedruns, honestly just about anything. They should bring back Smash Run and Break The Targets too.

>>712414973 (OP)
>brought back in Smash 4 when nobody expected it
DocGODS we are safe.

>>712448390
possibly, but it seems a little late for that. the cross-promotion is usually a new release (P5R, DQX) or an IP in relatively active development (Kingdom Hearts, Fatal Fury, Tekken). 2B has neither at the moment.

HE'S IN

>>712447745
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVhGCtCNGHg&list=PLgKCjZ2WsVLS1xisCnw_DpTg52sy7upu_&index=8

"My contracts generally stipulate that I don't receive payment during development"
"My income is based on game sales."
"I don't ask for compensation during development to share the risk with them."
"I can't say I struggle to pay the bills"

>>712414973 (OP)
i doubt it he will never cut dedede and ganon… rip my seph tho

>>712449258
>rip my seph tho
rip your MID

they'll include kirby air ride kirby

>>712424931
>how deeply he is integrated into Nintendo's history.
I mean does that history warrant constantly being re-introduced in every smash game?

>>712414973 (OP)
I'll only be ok with it if they cut Banjoke and Snorea.

>Cut the roster by half.
>Add Waluigi as the only actual new character.
>Give every existing character an alternate moveset.
>Bring back Subspace Emissary with a story about characters facing their alternate versions.

Nintendo hire me.

>>712414973 (OP)
I've only ever played casually and never paid attention to the competitive scene (well enough to know fox/metaknight memes but that's pretty much my limit), but I got curisous: has kirby ever been competitive or always just okay?

>>712450014
only in 64

>>712449893
why is waluigi such a memed pick?

>>712414973 (OP)
"Ridley is too big again, sorry"

>>712450014
I don't remember Kirby ever actually placing high in tournaments, but IIRC Hungrybox always played Jigglypuff and has said in the past that Kirby is underrated and basically just Diet Jigglypuff.
So no, Kirby isn't bad, but Kirby's niche is filled by someone better in competetive play.

>>712450297
>Wario is in already
>Waluigi is a loser so is builds a fun story of overcoming the odds if he gets in

>>712450297
It's just because he's such an obvious auto include that it's crazy he hasn't been a playable character yet. He's in all the other ensemble Mario games. Yet he's relegated to Assist Trophy hell while Fire Emblem gets multiple new reps per game. And I like FE and FE smash characters.

I'll get shit for this, I'm sure, but since there hasn't been a ballot or anything I have a feeling we're going to go back to a more traditional "Membah last/early current gen games?" Smash roster.
Like how Brawl was a big Gamecube and GBA wankfest, and Smash 4 was a 3DS and Wii circlejerk.

So I suspect the newcomers will mostly be from Switch games that missed out on Ultimate and from marketing synergy Switch 2 games (like Pokemon that are selected from concept art)

And since we know Donkey Kong is getting a total overhaul due to his new design I think this new game is going to be more about dusting off and bringing the entire cast up to "modern quality" to justify the large amount of cuts and smaller overall roster.

Also Smash has never cut an entire Nintendo IP from the game except for Ice Climbers for technical reasons, and that cut lasted exactly one game. Don't expect smaller characters like Minmin or Duck Hunt to leave. The cuts will probably be comprised of third parties, low priority secondary characters, and "one-shot" characters like RPG self inserts and Pokemon starters cough cough Incineroar

>>712414973 (OP)
I main Link since 1999, they could nuke the entire roster but he will always be there, so i dont give fuck. Rosterfags in suicide watch

>>712448390
automata is already on switch 1, do you mean if they add a patch or something?

>>712419367
whats her name again

>>712451396
I hope they continue the running gag of chibi Link clones by adding the toy version from the new 2D games

>>712440727
What is this autistic obsession with infinite growth? Do you want Smash to become Mugen?
>>712444289
>how many characters do you think should be cut?
Start with the biggest franchises like Pokemon, Fire Emblem, and Zelda. Clones should all go (make Peach and Daisy one character with alts, make Samus and Dark Samus one character with alts, etc.), cut product-placement crap Incineroar because Pokemon doesn't need a new rep every single game. The phrase "Murder your darlings" should apply here because so many of these characters are just not that iconic or special and trying to keep everyone to appease everyone is its own form of "rosterfagging".

>>712418770
Miis have no reason not to be in Smash as long as the console still has them

>>712452132
Scissorsfags BTFO

>>712453038
>Clones should all go (make Peach and Daisy one character with alts, make Samus and Dark Samus one character with alts, etc.)

They practically already are, they play the exact same and they even put the option to stack their roster spot for your autistic ass. Making Dark Samus float instead of run and Daisy doing her wahoo stuff is just a fun thing that makes those skins feel more believable without diverting time and effort balancing and programming them as clones, the only extra work they require is from the animation and effects team.

Throw rocks at scissors fags

>>712432814
>go far enough characters like master chief or lara croft
Those characters have never had a game on a nintendo console.

>>712451142
Thats not a crazy assumption. Ultimate was a very unique case and its why its called "Special" in Japan. It wasn't meant to be the norm. Third parties will likely get the biggest axe since they cost more and take more time to get.

On that note, I think people forget about the hoops companies have to jump through for guest. Like everyone was getting mad at Sega because the guest characters wont have special dialogue and thats likely because they have to get approval to even do that and it just takes more time and money when they can just not bother. Thinking they are going to bring back even half of the third parties is wishful thinking.

>>712455459
>they play the exact same and they even put the option to stack their roster spot for your autistic ass
And yet people still have autistic "I main Peach" vs. "I main Daisy" arguments like they're real separate characters when you yourself admit that they're the same character anyway and should just be alts. This autism you keep hilariously projecting will be gone when you remove the choice entirely and just make them alts.
>>712455885
Picrel, also Halo will likely come to Switch 2

>>712419367
Post ARMS sales.

>>712422025
>>712422981
>>712424903
samefag

>>712456159
>le super obscure port from the 2000's means this character will definitely get in at some point!
Regardless, Tomb Raider and Halo have close to zero popularity in japan so the chance of them being added in is close to zero.

They should just port Ultimate, spruce up the graffix and release a big roster pack

I dont see any reason at all to do an whole new release

>>712424903
>>712422025
"gatornigger"

>>712448982
I wouldn't be surprised if this is a big reason he is making Air Riders and not Smash. Nintendo probably lost a fuck ton of money on Ultimate. Nintendo would have been better off paying him a fee/salary than giving him a cut of the 30 million sales. It probably made more sense when the best selling Smash game was 13 million. It would be a big reason to bring it in house which I expect is what they are doing.

>>712456461
>"Uh oh, I was wrong, better move that goalpost!"
I accept your concession.

>>712455885
Post your reaction when the next Smash is Super Smash Bros X Microsoft, includes a bunch of Microsoft properties to fill out the missing third party slots, and releases on Game Pass and PC day 1.

>>712456614
he said it's based off game sales not profit
and ultimate was no doubt extremely profitable regardless
sakurai definitely made bank off it

>>712457036
I think I said sales. Still, at 30 million in sales they were paying him way more than they'd be paying someone that is already working at the company. The whole arrangement was made at a time when Nintendo games were selling far less and under different management. I doubt they'd want him back and would just make Smash themselves.

>>712444289
>You wouldn't just be cutting characters like Snake and Cloud, but have to cut fan favorite first parties.
It would be pretty easy to trim down the roster without getting rid of any genuinely important characters.

Like Zero Suit Samus. An entire character's worth of assets for a 2nd Samus who uses a bunch of silly non-canon weaponry and tech. Or literally any of the 3DS Fire Emblem characters who's games you can't even buy anymore. People aren't going to boycott the game if they get removed. Or Sheik, who could be replaced by a more interesting Sheikah from BOTW / Tears.

Ultimate has a lot of fat that can be trimmed roster-wise.

>>712456614
I dont think thats why, I think he just wanted to get a non Smash game out before he likely jumps back in after a decade+ of working on just Smash. Even if he made more from Ultimate than all the games he worked on before, Nintendo also collected 30 mil+ in game sales + DLC from Ultimate. I doubt he's taking a significant cut from each game sale, more just the amount of sales lead to a very substantial payout for him. It's why he has nice cars and was able to drop hundreds of thousands of dollars on that YouTube channel.

NIntendo likely preferred him to have started working on a new Smash for Switch 2. It would certainly sell more and generate more revenue than Kirby Air Riders. The signs were all there before Air Riders was announced that he was working on a nonsmash game. For all I care, I'd rather he keep coasting on that Ultimate money and just port Kid Icarus Uprising to Switch 2 after Air Riders. If he gets a cut based on DLC sales, he might very well be incentivized to just do another fighter's pass while pumping out a remake

>>712449893
Why would you want subspace emissary when you could have properly fleshed out levels from actual nintendo properties? Like in melee but not half-baked.

>>712457991
The only thing about that is that you're cutting characters with unique movesets that have been in the games to the point they're legacy characters. A lot of people were certain Ike would be cut in Smash 4, but his unique moveset saved him. Sakurai is obviously hesitant to cut any characters that are unique. The only characters with truly original playstyles that have been cut are Snake (3rd party), Ice Climbers (technical limitations), Pokemon Trainer (technical limitations) and Mewtwo (don't have a reason for this one).

At best, you'd be trading characters like Ike for characters like Isaac from Golden Sun or Chibi-Robo (my most wanted, mind you). They represent a game series that are not yet represented, but is it worth disappointing fans of Ike in Smash (not even Fire Emblem fans, just fans of how Ike plays) for fans of a smaller series that hasn't received a game in over a decade? Go through the roster and cut it in half. You end up having to cut characters that people have played and grown attached to in Smash for decades. I don't think Sakurai would make that call for what the game would receive in return.

>>712457904
my bad I somehow misread your post as the deal being bad for sakurai
in any case I don't know if nintendo could trust anyone else to helm the series, like genuinely who at nintendo could do it? no one has both the experience and vast industry connections that sakurai does, I think the value he brings justifies the price to them
as for why he's doing air riders instead of smash I think nintendo just wanted to give him a break and let him decide to do what he wants to do next, he'd been in the smash mines for 10 years straight at that point and if they got him to do it again right away they could risk burning him out on the series forever
I think they'll probably get him to work on smash after air riders is out

>>712458902
>Pokemon Trainer (technical limitations)
they could've kept squirtle and ivysaur as seperate characters in 4 like they did charizard it was a choice to cut them
>but is it worth disappointing fans of Ike in Smash
they decided it was worth disappointing fans of squirtle and ivysaur in smash

>>712456614
>Nintendo probably lost a fuck ton of money on Ultimate
????????????

>>712414973 (OP)
i don't have a "main" so i'm practically untouchable. check fucking mate, nigger.

>>712459169
I think if the options were
>Bring back the guy who made Smash but pay him a % of sales
or
>Use an existing team that you already pay but maybe it would be a bit harder for them
You'd go with the latter (especially current management which seems to have gotten greedy). As for who would do it, most likely it would be from the Mario Kart team since they have experience with using other IPs (see Mario Kart in general but also specifically 8's DLC), work on multiplayer/online games and did make a fighting game with ARMS. There is already some evidence they might be making it as right after the MK8 Booster Pass came out, Bamco's Studio 2/S (who also worked on the Booster Pass) put out job hiring for a game that sounds a lot like Smash. It was also when Smash Ultimate got those new spirit events.

Also, this relationship was always at risk with Iwata's passing. They were very close and Iwata was the one that made sure Sakurai stayed on Smash (and likely negotiated that deal). Even if Kimishima stayed as president (the good timeline) then they would have likely revisited it in some way to make sure they took it over. Its hard to have an IP that makes at least 10 million in sales be headed by a man for hire. Even Sakurai said the arrangement was unusual, so there is no reason to think it would have kept working out without Iwata. Also I ran out of Sakurai images

grima robin please sakurai-sama

>>712459728
They had to pay Sakurai for every game sold >>712448982

So they would have saved a lot of money paying him a flat fee or hourly rate than giving him a cut of the sales. Im sure it made a profit. I more mean they left money on the table.

>>712458902
>The only thing about that is that you're cutting characters with unique movesets that have been in the games to the point they're legacy characters.

As long as the niche left behind isn't completely abandoned then it's not that big a deal. Other fighting games can and have left behind legacy characters for literally over a decade. Not every moveset ever made needs to be indefinitely preserved. There are new movesets added with every character. Also, not every moveset is equally unique. There is a LOT of toe-stepping in Smash Ultimate.

>A lot of people were certain Ike would be cut in Smash 4, but his unique moveset saved him. Sakurai is obviously hesitant to cut any characters that are unique

hesitant or not, smaller rosters are an inevitability.

>you'd be trading characters like Ike for characters like Isaac from Golden Sun or Chibi-Robo

You'd be trading them out for presumably something from a new game that didn't exist during the last smash title. So in this context Ike, or more likely the 3DS characters, would be retired and replaced with whoever the current FE main character is, who I presume is currently a piece of early concept art.

>They represent a game series that are not yet represented, but is it worth disappointing fans of Ike in Smash (not even Fire Emblem fans, just fans of how Ike plays) for fans of a smaller series that hasn't received a game in over a decade?

Again you're specifically choosing these old small games as your example. But if it were a new IP with a new nintendo mascot on the switch 2 then yes, I would say it would be worth it. Ike fans will still buy the game. They'll just migrate to someone new.

>Go through the roster and cut it in half. You end up having to cut characters that people have played and grown attached to in Smash for decades.

A smash fan is born every day. Not every kid who plays the game is a 30 year old who played brawl in college.

even though i dislike pyra and mythra in xenoblade, if they or shulk gets cut i wont touch the next smash

>>712446884
Dunno, that dude was smitten with Pyra/Homura

>>712458902
Bro they cut fucking Squirtle for a game. I guarantee that Squirtle plushies alone have out grossed the entire FE franchise. There won't be riots if the b-list gang like fucking Ike is cut lmao

>>712458902
You know it's been nearly 10 years since Ultimate came out right? that's like 20 million brand new 10 year olds who have no long term attachment to Ike or Sheik or whatever other B-lister

>>712414973 (OP)
As long as turd parties get removed I'm willing to make the sacrifice

>>712458902
this is why movesets should just be reworked entirely in a hypothetical smash 6. 4, Ultimate, and especially DLC characters' mechanics have so radically outpaced the older, more iconic characters' that there's no easy way to bridge the gap. a character like Steve and a character like Mario, DK, or Fox simply aren't playing the same game anymore.

it's also not a situation where all these different archetypes are clearly "different but equal". PM and Rivals of Aether 2 have pretty wildly different character archetypes that are all viable and feel like they interact in meaningful, fun ways. even Melee has a relatively diverse roster despite like half of the roster being competitively unviable, not to mention a lot of depth to MUs. characters like Steve, Sonic, etc. simply force lesser characters to play "their game", to the detriment of everyone involved.

>>712418770
i would like joker to be back...

>>712461234
this. marth debuted in 1990 and melee released 11 years later. it has been 20 years since ike's debut. these characters, especially the fire emblem and pokemon characters, aren't evergreen.

>>712459453
Okay, so there's two more characters cut with unique movesets, one of which is a water type starter that is replaced in representation with another popular water type starter (the most popular starter after Charizard), bringing the grand total of cut characters with unique movesets not having to do with outlying factors to 3. Out of the 60+ characters before Ultimate. He disappointed fans of those characters and apologized profusely for years. He has said his one of the biggest regrets with the games before Ultimate was having to cut any character as he knows players have grown attached to them.
>>712460887
What new characters should replace the characters already in Smash? What new Nintendo properties and games would make sense to replace characters with fans that only know them from Smash. Even in your example, Awakening revitalized the franchise and is the reason FE is still around today according to the developers themselves, the newest Fire Emblem landed like a wet fart.
>>712461076
It was a water starter with no unique gimmicks that was replaced with a water starter. And then he brought them back the first chance he could.
>>712461234
You severely underestimate the amount of manchildren addicted to these games. And when I was a kid playing melee, I didn't know who the fuck Samus Aran was, but I liked playing Samus. Marth wasn't even in a game released in the west and he was one of the most popular characters.
You can all go ahead and be sure he's cutting characters for Box Boy or an Octoling, just like everyone assumed his next game was Smash despite the writing on the wall saying differently. If Sakurai is in charge of the next Smash, that next Smash will have all of the characters, either a Switch 2 edition or Ultimate 2. MAYBE 3rd party characters would be DLC, but they will all be there. You are all looking at Smash like it's Street Fighter when it's a crowd pleaser game.

>>712414973 (OP)
>Main
You don't need to main a character in a party game

>ITT: We post our never-ever's (characters we want, but we know they won't be added)

>>712461076
why would people buy Smash 6 with less content when they can play a Smash with 80+ characters and 100 stages

>>712461507
Marth is THE classic smash swordie, he ain't getting cut

>>712461860
because 60 of those 80 characters play identically thanks the entire game being overcentralized around spamming safe aerials in neutral
and even if you're just playing it as a party game, you've already beaten all the singleplayer content that ultimate has to offer by 202X

>>712461747
well I already got my never ever so might as go for his nobody

>>712461960
Is that why Ultimate is the best selling Smash by 25 million copies

>>712462054
wow what a compelling argument

>>712436162
If you think jumping in Melee is anywhere close to jumping in Castlevania you haven't played either.

>>712462094
>game with every character sells 35 million
>games without every character sell 5-10 million
They aren't going to make a game they don't think surpasses the one that came before it, and in their eyes, the roster is what makes the game. The games are built on their rosters, that is the main reason why people play them.

Getting cut
>most of fe
>bayonetta
>3rd party shit
>piranha
>arms
>punch out
>incineroar
That is all

>>712414973 (OP)
>Dedede
Never going to happen. He even went as far as voicing him.

>>712448542
I don't know, bro. We already got cut once, that's enough impetus to do it again. Maybe if the next director after Sakurai decides to do something proper with the Echo concept we'll get in under that banner, but I don't see Doc staying as he is (unfortunately).

95% of players just want pikachu vs cloud vs snake vs link, any nintendo first partys added at this point is just an obligation to smash being nintendo

>>712461305
What you are describing is a problem every game has. Look at the MOBAs and you can tell who is an earlier character and who is a later one.

The big issue is, when you look at a lot of the characters, they are kind of the most appropriate version of them. Like, take Link. If you were to design Link, having no idea what Smash already did with him, what would you do? Well, he would have a sword (duh). You'd probably keep the spin attack since its in every game. You'd have a bow since its in every game. You'd have bombs as its in every game. So you already have most of his special moves already. At worst, maybe the side special changes since he could throw his weapon or use the beam from the Master Sword. Other attacks would change but things like his down air and running attack are also from the games. Same applies to Samus. Charge beam, Bombs, and missiles are in every game, and she needs an up special of some kind. Its hard to change some of these characters too much since they have most of their iconic attacks. The ones where you can do a lot are ones that have changed a lot (Luigi) or have had plenty of other attacks since Melee (Mario, DK, Kirby, Pikachu). But even then, you can only change so much since Mario always shoots fire balls and Kirby always sucks people up. The most set changes people are thinking about would be more akin to a rework you see in League or Heroes of the Storm than a complete overhaul.

>>712461305
I think it comes down to dev time. If they downscale the roster, we would get revitalized movesets, but they prioritize increasing the roster, meaning older characters get way fewer adjustments.
>>712463252
Great points. And I like the way the older characters play more for the most part. You can usually tell which Smash a character first appeared in from how they play. Kirby, one of the most requested for a revitalized moveset, has almost always been bottom tier, but he's my main cuz I find the way he plays and controls fun. I don't want them to change him for the most part. This sort of stuff doesn't matter until you get to competitive levels of play, which they have shown to mostly not give a fuck about, so I don't know why people are expecting Smash 6 to be the time they suddenly drop prioritizing the roster for a more balanced experience. That's what real fighting games are for.

>>712416556
Keep my goat Terry in. He’s so fun to play.

>>712461673
>What new characters should replace the characters already in Smash
Something popular from a new game?

>What new Nintendo properties and games would make sense to replace characters with fans that only know them from Smash.
Shit from the current Nintendo zeitgeist. You're obsessing a little too hard with the idea of Smash veteran superiority.

I want to remind you that they removed Mewtwo after melee and added a fucking ROB toy. It's not just about veterans that have smash-induced popularity.

If they cut fucking Shulk or Fire Emblem guy they would be more then happy to replace them with the silly dog from Pikmin 4 or Toy Zelda.

>>712461673
>You severely underestimate the amount of manchildren addicted to these games
I'm objectively not lol.

>>712414973 (OP)
Cloud Strife will make the cut, if not another of Tetsuya Nomura's legendary videogame characters.

>>712416556
I play Terry too, hoping he stays. Knowing how buddy buddy SNK was with Nintendo back when he was first added, allowing for all 50 music tracks to be added, I'm not too worried he'll be cut but anything could happen. People are thinking a big reboot's on the way and they might just cull 3rd party characters altogether.

>>712461860
Why did they buy street fighter 6?

You don't think Smash 6 would just be Everyone But Young Link And Pichu Is Here, do you Anon?

>>712463252
i feel like link is actually a counterpoint to this argument because his kit has been updated multiple times, but especially with ultimate. having a traditional grab and his bombs being changed to BotW's remote bombs were a massive boon to the character. his ultimate iteration truly feels like "link" to me because his tools are truly useful; he isn't merely another generic disjoint character.

on the other hand, you have the three common types of "stagnant" characters who simply aren't very interesting. a few example being:
>characters who have merely stagnated and lack any kind of defining characteristics
kirby, pit, dr. mario
>characters who have been raped by either by ultimate's mechanics and no longer have an identity
marth, sheik, captain falcon, meta knight, mewtwo
>characters who benefit from ultimate's mechanics despite being relatively boring
pikachu, ness, falco, young link, toon link

the underlying issue is that ultimate's mechanics are just too fucking gay and homogenizing. they privilege two or three playstyles (zoning, disjoints, gimmicks) and any character who doesn't excel at these has a bad time and is forced to cheese out wins by exploiting MU knowledge or fishing for niche setups. as an example, you could salvage many of these characters by making simple but fundamental mechanical changes like tweaking character- and move-specific hit stun (giving characters like marth and sheik a fucking purpose in life) or allowing characters like captain falcon or falco to conserve momentum when jumping. or, a more extreme / fun example, giving mewtwo's teleport more momentum when landing, allowing him to consistently edge cancel the move to enhance both his offense and defense, which re both sorely lacking.

i'm not really talking about goofy shit like giving mario a bing-bing meter that fills up as he collects coins from footstooling people.

I already hate him since Brawl, not even adding Mega Man, Ridley, and Simon Belmont could fix that. Especially since they all sadly suck.

>>712455885
That's a made-up rule.

>>712461673
You acting like all content is good content.

People will not complain if 34- FE characters get removed. Or if Xenoblade deletes the has-been waifu to replace with whatever new waifu XB3 added

>>712465845
>by either
meant "either by ultimate's mechanics or because they were too good in a previous game"

>>712465590
no I don't care if a character I like is cut, I can just go back to older games, I didn't throw a hissyfit because Wolf and Squirtle was cut out of 4 but it was shit for different reasons

>>712461747
i already got joker so i'm good

But what about adding more black fighters?

>>712456145
>Like everyone was getting mad at Sega because the guest characters wont have special dialogue and thats likely because they have to get approval to even do that and it just takes more time and money when they can just not bother.
Huh?

I don't remember when Smash's season pass 2 was selected, but if I recall it was so early that when Minmin was chosen none of the ARMS dlc fighters existed yet, so they weren't included with her pack as stickers.

I'd say between then and now, there's probably been an absolutely gigantic number of Nintendo characters who have appeared in new media or have been invented. They could probably easily put together a list of 10-15 newcomers that both young kids and adults will find appeal in.

People who are too obsessed with veterans are so fucking boring.

Which Pokemon get cut? because they would need to make room for the newer Shillmons

>>712464973
Okay. What popular games though? What games and characters from the last ten years would outdo the characters who have already grown fanbases just from them being in Smash. There are some, but not enough to truly replace the amount you would end up cutting. Most Palutenta players haven't played the Kid Icarus games. Most Ike fans haven't played his Fire Emblem games. They are still popular with Smash fans. There would be disappointed players that would opt to stay with a previous game that they have already been sold, and casual gamers who break Ultimate out to play with friends would stick with the game they already bought rather than pay $70+ for a game with less. It would still sell great compared to most games, but disappointing compared to Ultimate.

Cut the roster in half. Then add only 6 new characters. You are still at almost 50 characters for the starting roster, meaning the number of characters are still going to bog down development. You'd have to cut a majority of the characters to truly streamline the game to something closer to the experience of Brawl. There is no streamlining the roster without making what most people would view as a significantly inferior game to Ultimate.
>>712465940
I'm not even saying I want Ultimate 2 or there aren't characters that could be cut, there are plenty idgaf about, I just think they clearly prioritize the roster and virality over making another experience closer to Melee or Brawl. And Sakurai makes his money based on game sales. So him, the companies he works for and with, and the majority of fans are most satisfied when roster is the priority.
If I'm wrong, I'll eat shit, but I would bet the next Smash has all of the characters Ultimate has, same way the writing was on the wall that Sakurai wasn't working on Smash as his next game. Maybe third parties like DQ and Sephiroth are sold separately. But they're charging $80 for Mario Kart, so who knows what they'll do with Smash's price.

>>712466936
Puff, Pichu, Mewtwo, Lucario, Greninja, Incineroar

>>712418770
Most of the third party isn't even an issue. Konami would be the most annoying. I'd say Square but apparently they got their sticks out of their asses since we got The Hero, Sephiroth, and a lot more music in the DLCs.

>>712466936
incineroar

>they think FE is getting major cuts
Fun fact, if we reduce the roster to 40 character that Japan likes the most, almost the entire cast will be there anyway >>712424730

>>712467852
>20% of the roster is fire emblem

>>712466719
I was talking about Sonic Crossworlds and their guest characters. Sorry anon
>https://www.reddit.com/r/SonicTheHedgehog/comments/1l8cxtw/unfortunately_there_will_be_no_interactions_with/
Also yes I know I'm linking Reddit. Please forgive me

>>712466956
>Okay. What popular games though?
I don't have Nintendo's post-Ultimate release timeline and their to-date sales numbers in front of me but the main character from Pikmin 4 with Poochy I guess? Or Chibi Zelda from Echoes. Also for the love of God I beg of you, don't resort to saying "REEE FUCKING CHIBI ZELDA / POOCHY FANBOY" because I didn't actually play Pikmin 4 and dropped Echoes.

>What games and characters from the last ten years would outdo the characters who have already grown fanbases just from them being in Smash
Yeah see you're still obsessed with the false idea that veterans have dedicated fanbases who will walk away and boycott if their bae is cut. That doesn't exist.

>but not enough to truly replace the amount you would end up cutting.
Says who? Also the game is obviously going to have more features outside of the roster to justify itself. Give fans a good single player beat em up mode and they'll buy the game in droves

>You'd have to cut a majority of the characters to truly streamline the game to something closer to the experience of Brawl
Says who. Also, I don't see the issue? 60-ish characters after DLC, slightly larger then WiiU, would be fine.

>>712466956
>I just think they clearly prioritize the roster
So because Ultimate did it now every game is obligated to do it? Why?

>>712467852
>>712468053

>>712468053
what's the problem?

>>712447730
genos been begged since brawl retard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX0zTToa2dI

>>712466956
If you cut every third party, at least 4 FE characters, at least 1 Xenoblade character, 2-3 Pokemon, every redundant "same person" character like Zero Suit, Shiek, and the mini Links, you already have like over 20 characters removed with minimal issue. Add onto that unpopular has-been characters like Palutena and you're all set.

None of sugestions I've seen make me feel like Smash Ultimate missed on, and idk who can they really add as a new character.

We have yet to see the worst of Furukawa the man that will put the shareholders on priority.

>>712468974
>Smash is out of new characters to add because I didn't grow up with new Nintendo games

>>712466828
>I'd say between then and now, there's probably been an absolutely gigantic number of Nintendo characters who have appeared in new media or have been invented.
That's how every Smash game goes. There are either new characters or old ones becoming fresh again. Just some examples to your point
>Pauline - In every Mario game now
>Toad/Toadette - Been in a lot more games and could use moves from Wonder
>BoTW/ToTK characters - You could easily add the Champions or Raru given how successful these games were
>Stylux - Villain in Prime and they've been trying to set this guy up for a while
>New Shillmon
>Tom Nook - New Horizon featured him
>Oatchi - Pikmin 4 and they promote him a lot
>Noah and Mio
>Alear or someone from Heroes
This will easily get you 10-11 characters. Then add characters like Sportsmates (for Switch Sports), Ring Fit, Ayumi (Famicon Detective Club) and the guys from Astral Chain and you have a good roster of 15 characters. This isn't even getting that creative with it and I could easily throw in an IP that is on the NSO service not in Smash or some of their other big series like Warioware and Kirby. So yeah, they have a lot to work with.

>Ayumi
the will never add that shitty babies first VN shit character

>>712414973 (OP)
>people beg for Waluigi
>add piranha plant last second

Is he the biggest troll ever?

>>712469234
Also the Pokemon Legends games literally didn't exist during Smash Ultimate. They typically don't shill Pokemon spinoffs, but they could add something quirky like the green snake to rep ZA since those games are essentially mainline, and people are pretty bored of generic starters.

>>712450297
Hes an essential mario character but was never in a mainline game. Its a pretty clear case of looking through the consumers eyes and not the developers.

>>712414973 (OP)
There won't be a Smash 6 specifically because of this, but you're probably getting an Switch 2 upgrade for Smash Ultimate before the end of the year.

However it will have to remain compatible with Switch 1, so don't expect much in the way of new content.

>>712469234
Also Paper Mario is like the only evergreen single player Nintendo character that isn't in Smash, and he had like 3 different games in the Switch all of which sold millions

>>712470057
>but you're probably getting an Switch 2 upgrade for Smash Ultimate before the end of the year.
Why can't you retards understand how licensing works. This shit is not happening.

>>712467852
Corrin is getting cut either ways.

Reminder that Toby Fox is getting a character and there’s nothing you can do about it.

>>712460609
nigga they wouldnt have signed a deal that would have made them lose money

>>712470496
Nah, Deltarune fumbled it by taking too long and Ch 3-4 being middling. Undertale is no longer in the zeitgeist

>>712414973 (OP)
Prolly not true but I heard a rumor that Nintendo wants to keep the roster and sakurai wants to cut it

>>712414973 (OP)
Prolly not true but I heard a rumor that Nintendo wants to keep the foreskin and sakurai wants to cut it

According to Nintendo Today, the currently major IPs for them are
>Mario
>Zelda
>Animal Crossing
>Splatoon
>Pikmin
>Kirby
>Fire Emblem
>Metroid
>Xenoblade
>Wario Ware
>Donkey Kong
>Classics

>>712470960
Wolf is getting cut again

>gets added as dlc in the game he's cut from
>is added into sm5sh as well because everyone was
リュカ is here to stay

>>712462054
no thats because its a nintendo switch game which sold 150 million

>>712470825
>>712470923
took me a minute to realize these posts weren't dupes lol

I want Zeus from Greek Mythology to get in.

i want pepsiman in

What they need is to cut all normals and make everything a special move. Games aren't a new medium anymore people can figure out that attacks have different properties based on their looks.

>>712414973 (OP)
He’s already done it before in Smash 4, so I wouldn’t be shocked

Rivals of Aether 2 is so much more fun than nu-Smash that I simply no longer give a shit. Nothing Smash 6 will realistically do will resolve the issues I have with 4 and Ultimate's un-fun design philosophy, and I'm not interested in single player content after World of Light.

>Rookie and Oatchi
>Octoling / Agent 8
>Not yet invented Shillmon
>Paper Mario
>Toy Zelda
>Ring Fit girl
>Ganondorf will be re-introduced as his Tears samurai incarnation with a completely new moveset
>Sylux or Raven Beak
>Bandana Waddle Dee
>Magalor
>Officer Howard from Astral Chain
>Copy pasted Faggot Emblem shill MC
>Copy pasted Xenoblade 3 or 4 shill MC
>Something super retro and quirky like Excitebike or a literal Virtualboy console
>Rhythm Heaven amalgamation character to sell the upcoming game.
>2 or 3 Shocking third parties like Master Chief or Pyramid Head or Crash Bandicoot or some shit

>>712472795
Oh boy, rosterfaggotry

>>712473179
>rosterfag thread
>"Oh boy, rosterfaggotry!!!"

third party characters ruined smash

>>712474159
Third party character speculation specifically

>>712470241
They have to do an update for the Mii glitch anyway.

>>712414973 (OP)
>Link and Ness

I'm fine.

>>712475637
Yes, and it will only get a minor update.

>>712469375
>babies first VN shit character
That's the entire cast of Steins;Gate.

>>712474880
It was fine in Brawl when they kept it at two but then 4 and especially Ultimate made them the norm and the game is now Mugen

>>712415113
>>712415963
>>712415979
>wanting to prioritize balance and having less options in the party game
Kinda pathetic

>>712470241
They are going to update Smash Ultimate so that there are spirits for the Street Fighter amiibos. Mark my words.

>>712476123
True but that obviously doesn't mean that Ayumi should be in.

>>712470496
As long as it's Undertale and not fucking Deltarune then sure.

>>712418770
I want old characters from games from the 80, 90s and 00s mostly. new games suck

Although i do want nier (papa and brother)

>>712469375
She was already considered for smash. Not something most of your picks can say.

>>712470960
thats everything but starfox and f zero

This board will be unuseable when the reboot roster is finally revealed. Retards acting like only a handful of 1st parties or only 3rd parties will be cut when it's probably gonna be a thanos snap. 80+ characters is not sustainable and there have to be some newcomers as well.
>>712418770
Yeah bro, I'm sure Nintendo wants to cut Bowser Jr., Byleth, Dedede, Isabelle, Meta Knight, and Charizard to keep Captain Falcon, Ness, and Fox. Everywhere I look I just see Earthbound and Starfox marketing. Mario and Pokemon are cut for sure.
>ALL 3rd parties are licensing hell!
Did you forget some 3rd party companies are helping develop the game? Namco can literally just say "put Pac-man in the game or we're sueing you." Incredibly dumb to even think about putting Sonic in that tier as well after there was an entire Mario/Sonic crossover series.

Ashley is a shoe in. Probably one of the most popular characters in terms of merch sales compared to game sales and game presence. The exact type of character you'd want in a fighter and not in a minigame collection.

>>712424931
Banjokes really believe this

>>712478262
People act like this is harder than it is. Yes they can do 80 characters. Yes they can do it just fine. Whether they want to is a different question but its pretty clear people don't buy the game for single player content. Every character also serves as free marketing and advertising is the biggest cost in game development. I'd expect third rate characters like pichu and phirana plant to get cut but don't expect a thanos snap taking out half the cast I'd bet most characters will be staying.

They'll probably do a sorry ass excuse of a reboot and just remake the 64 game as an excuse to be lazy

>>712424931

>>712478763
this is the most likely outcome if Sakurai is to come back

>>712476274
the hell did you quote tweet me for I didn't say anything about balance

>>712418770
>licensing hell
>namco characters
Are you retarded?
There is more red tape getting Pikachu in the game then them.

>>712479564
It's an upsettingly retarded tier list and that user should be permabanned

Doom Slayer when?

>>712457991
There is no interesting Sheikah from the new Zelda games.
You might as well ask for OoT Impa wearing the Modern Sheikah suit.

>>712447630
Underrated kek

I just want ONE (1) Zelda character that isn't Link, Zelda, or Ganondorf to be added to the roster.

>>712478763
64 is still superior in terms of art style, sound, effects and atmosphere
I miss how punchy and cartoony used to be

>>712481353
Glorious new and beloved character Sign Cuck joins the battle!!

>>712476130
actually it wasnt the norm until the dlc sloppa came in

>>712414973 (OP)
Everyone is here, faggot

Everyone is gone for $80

>>712481353
You will get Nu-Zelda with a Shiekah tech moveset, and you will like her with a Purah echo

>>712481353
Tingle or Beedle would be based. Skull Cuck need not apply.

>>712481353
Midna fisting session

>>712482646
Certainly wouldn't mind if Ganondorf got updated to his TotK self. No excuse to have him as a half-clone of Captain Falcon anymore.

>>712482646
>Purah echo
I'm okay with that

>>712418770
sheik is nit guaranteed. most likely be replaced by impa, an actual character in the series

>>712414973 (OP)
i dont care who gets cut, im not a roster fag, i just want new movesets

>>712414973 (OP)
I want Gooey.

>>712484967
Roster is everything in that baby game.

>>712452132
This is better than the real fighters pass 2

>>712414973 (OP)
I hope he never adds Waluigi just to see the tears flow like water.

>>712451142
Honestly, I'm fine with no voting next game.
It would be interesting if Sakurai either asked publishers to make a decision themselves or directly what he thinks would be a good choice next go around.

Dear John Nintendo,
Please make Waluigi and Vaati playable in the new smash because they're cool and I like them.

I want Neco-Arc Chaos in Smash

>>712414973 (OP)
Jokes on you i main random

I want everyone who isn't first party cut and only one hero and villain representative for each series

>>712489696
>only one
No deal, I wanna play as this little nigger

>>712467852
>japs still like banjo and sora enough to keep them in their top 40
grim

Scrimblo bimblo cut

>>712414973 (OP)
Allegedly the switch 2 has 100ms input lag. Rip Smash.

>>712414973 (OP)
I hate ALL the non-Nintendo DLC. So everyone but Pirahna Plant. I picked up the series when it was all about cartoony Nintendo characters with a very small handful of more adult characters to give variety and I fucking hate all these plain human modeled characters just sucking in tourists that won't play the game longer than a few weeks before dropping it until the next one. I also loved Brawl's campaign.

>>712489986
Sakurai doesn't care about Kirby at all. Just look at the Zelda and FE rep size

>>712490970
gay speech fallacy

>>712490656
Fucking WHAT?!

>>712491186
?
Underaged esl fallacy

>>712415979
What country are you in?

>>712491292
gay speech fallacy

>>712491439
>>712491292

>I want people cut
Is this an artificially engineered psyop from tendie employees? Cut my Isabelle and I won't play

>>712492073
I don't WANT cuts, but I want a game with brand new presentation, moveset reworks and beefy singleplayer. If cuts must happen in the process, so be it.

>>712424730
>Japs don't like Pokemon Trainer
Absolute BULLSHIT fucking list. Where's the source on this shit???

>>712422119
probably not after F-Zero 99.

>>712461076
FE Heroes says hi

>>712490889
>I hate ALL the non-Nintendo DLC.
So Byleth, Min Min, and Pythra aren't Nintendo apparently, got it.
Let me guess, Banjo is an exception to your rule because his so called "best" games were on the N64.

I would rather have a nintendo vs shonen rather than a smash bros 6

>>712493846
I forgot about them and that they were Nintendo honestly, add them to the culling too.
Banjo's an exception because he's cartoonish in design like Sonic both despite being non-nintendo and not just human models. Hate how many projectiles he has though.

>>712418770
>Pyra+Mythra are "more likely" than Shulk himself

Waifufaggotry really is a disease.

>>712414973 (OP)
They pandered to rosterfaggotry so hard and so well that they can’t possibly top Ultimate. I’m curious what garbage they’ll put in Smash 6.

>>712494185
I can kind see where he is coming from unfortunately

though overall I don't agree with it, nor think it would be indeed more likely

>>712494185
They're far more played than him.

You guys were silly for that Sceptile shit.

>>712432814
>wanting even more 3d party junk

>>712490428
Less grim than keeping 7/8 FEmblem faggots in a reduced roster.

>>712414973 (OP)
I main Sonic. There's no way he's not coming back given how buddy buddy Nintendo and Sega are. Literally the safest third party character.

>>712494397
To be fair they're also the biggest braindead-easy crutch characters to play.

>>712494296
>>712494926
It goes both ways. Either the tier-maker picked it with his dick or he's accurate about how many weebs played them with their dicks.

>>712494828
That's Pac-Man if Bamco keeps developing the games.

>>712415113
I agree, we dont need 30 identical anime swordfag twinks. Fire emblem can keep maybe 2 of them

>>712420379
That's how it is in the corporate world.
Look at racing games. Car companies don't want any damage to be shown on their digital cars. Because the dumb kid who crashed his ferrari into the wall in-game is really going to be able to buy one when he grows up. And of course the memory of a damaged supercar in a video game they played a decade ago will surely be the deciding factor.

>>712493998
Stick to fangames spear-headed by everyone south of California and Texas then.

>>712418770
>Any Fire Emblem character staying in before Marth and Ike
Retarded list.

Sakurai you fucking hack make him a fucking sorcerer.
Neutral b should be deadmans volley. Up b should end with a hover and with a second input he should slam back down

GOOD MOOOOOOOORNING /v/ I'm here to remind you that we are another day closer to Alear (Yes the trans LGBT friendly dwagon alear from the failed fire emblem engage) getting confirmed for the next smash game for switch 2! Make sure to save your tears and death threats when these zesty freaks walk into the spotlight!
>b-but we are already sick of fire embl-
Too bad anon, Xir/xer will be whenever you like it or not, because ninty is really asspained about that effort wasted on fire emblem engage and Sakurai really loved the gameplay so much that he will rework every single fire emblem fucker to fit with the new canon provided by Engage. The tears and frustrations will be a delicious treat while we wait for Alear to be released!

>>712496583
You're going to get TOTK Ganondorf instead, unfortunately,

>>712496707
look i just don't care until you wheel out the poorly modeled Alear doing sickening things to whoever else.

>>712420379
Brand image protection is decided by the same micro-analytical mindsets who justify burning billions of dollars on bastardized sequels and live service dogshit that nobody asked for, and Disney's among the worst. All out of fear that if said image isn't 100% pristine towards what Graphs A, B and C dictate will pull in desired audiences then they'll MAYBE lose a tiny percentile that's still worth millions to them and investors will leave. Even if it's something as stupid as a pink ball holding your iconic key weapon.

Disney did the same shit with their Infiniti game that severely limited what you were allowed to do in a fucking crossover game where the point is not to be. I still don't blame anyone for thinking Sora was fucking impossible for Smash, it really had to have been an insane decision.

>>712476274
>good gameplay bad
>scrimblo good
The kind of retard Sakurai wants for a fan base ladies and gents.

>>712497593
>I want hyper "balanced" sweatfests for my party game
Faggoy

>>712496841
>>712496707
This, it's just not the same.
More over, the reason Steve was so contentious was because it was believed that only one Microsoft character was going to get in, and the one that was championed for decades was Banjo.
Steve was seen as a threat, fire emblem is just an inevitability.
The only people you're gonna upset with this shitpost is Engage fans, and that's not a very big pool.
I suggest a character that's unpopular but shilled, from a space with most wanteds, that would shut out all others, like Nabbit.
I could see people getting mad at the idea of Nabbit getting in over literally any other Mario character.
But I still don't think it would get the same reaction because it's not very realistic like Steve was.
Steve invoked a sense of inadequacy in Banjo fans, made them feel like there was actually a chance they'd get shafted in favor of Steve.
I'm at a loss, but I'm sure someone could find that perfect storm that Steve rode, again.

>>712414973 (OP)
>Smash 6
Never happening groomer, Sakurai left you pedos for good.

>>712414973 (OP)
KH1 Sora in Ultimate
KH2 Sora in 6

>>712498198
Both KH2 and 3 Sora were in ultimate

>>712498396
i mean the moveset not the outfit

>>712498490
Sorry, only played the original and DDD, is 3 so different?

>>712414973 (OP)
I will expect this, Falco and Star Fox as a whole have not been relevant to Nintendo is almost a decade. It's only reasonable for Fox, at best, to end up the only SF character in Smash again, like in Smash 64.
>>712496727
The Zelda cast in smash 6 gonna be weird since it's gonna be Totk Ganondorf. EoW Zelda, and whatever new version of Link is made before the game comes out. The worst part is that there will be no 4th character to represent the old 3d games if they don't bring back Toon Link or something.

>>712498592
1, 2 and 3 all have completly different movesets. 3 has keyblade transformations and brings mechanics from all prior games to some level like shotlocks, flowmotion, etc.
2's is the best though, by the end of the game he is basically a god so they would have to nerf him for the game but it could still be cool.

>>712417952
>Still having to play around Steve in 2027+
Nah fuck that. Each Smash since Melee has absolutely dogshit balancing or DLC power creep

>they think shitendo gives a fuck about balance

>Another Smash
>Still not at EVO
>Community still consists of autistic pedophiles who don't bathe

>>712414973 (OP)
None of my rosterfagging has panned out since brawl, plus, I'm not getting a switch 2.
Although, if a new one with a focus on more quality and quantity modes came out... I could be interested

>>712414973 (OP)
lol nah

>>712499798
>caring about tourneyfaggotry
You're the actual pedo here.

all smashfags are pedos

>>712414973 (OP)
>Snake getting cut
>With Konami in remaster mode
Unlikely.

>>712422025
But what if we used Bombergirls instead?

>>712502302
Konami are a bunch of brand whores, this is well known, and Sega loves working with Nintendo so I would wager Sonic is a lock.

Cutters we can't let him get away with this...

>>712418770
>Licensing hell
Sora is the only 3rd party character that is literal hell to get in.

>>712503478
I don't know why Hbox keeps insisting on this garbage Ultimate Deluxe meme when it clearly won't happen.

>>712498068
I'm a huge Engage fan and I thought the post was funny

>>712414973 (OP)
Cut Diddy Kong and replace him with AiAi from Super Monkey Ball

>>712456239
Post Ice Climbers' sales

3rd parties should be something like this
NO westoid shit allowed

>>712414973 (OP)
I hope they cut the roster by 75% and make the characters feel more unique

>>712504684
>ichiban instead of kiryu
ROPE! NECK! NOW!

>>712416556
TerrySULTANS can’t stop winning

>>712504684
I do! But, most Westoid characters are not that great as an addition to Smash.

He's perfect to satisfy both sides.

>>712505146

He's in

If they were to kind of reboot it I'd hope it goes something like this. It'd probably have more cuts. I don't think they'd cut that many third parties since they're more exciting than scraping the bottom of the Nintendo barrel.

>>712416556
this made me look up the etymology of "in the pink" and it's from shakespeare

>>712505460
>Ness cut
You're insane, especially considering that an the Mother-inspired Undertale/Deltarune is guaranteed to have a rep

>>712503478
>$60
lol yeah right

>>712505679
>Kris takes ACTion

>>712487793
Good thing he'll be dead very soon

>>712507549
Waluigi? Sure.

Sakurai will live to see Mel Brooks' peak age.

>>712422531
Yes, the golden one.

Waluigi in canon is uncut so he's in!

>>712466295
I can't even think of a black video game character that would be worth adding to the game.

What's funny to me is it's clearly obvious Sakurai hates making Smash. He LOVES videogames/videogame history and getting to introduce newer generations to characters/franchises that he enjoys, which is cool, but Smash has now become his cashcow 9-5 that he uses to finance his actual passion projects like Uprising and Air Riders. The sad thing is if he doesn't come back, the next project will be semi-fucked because no one is going to have the industry traction for all the 3rd-party content and we'll be right back to Ultimate 2 for Switch 3. I miss when Smash felt good to play.

The only character I ever wanted cut was Jigglypuff. I hate her stupid smug look.

>>712490656
bro

>>712414973 (OP)
>DLC characters shamelessly fucking rapes every characters in game
>nothing personal

>>712414973 (OP)
if your main gets cut your a newfag who deserves it

>>712508608
He could have easily declined Iwata's offer in 2005. Melee with online sounded way better than what we ended up with, and he clearly won't get the freedom he's been given with any other company.

Plus with the way he gets paid, he knows he'll be rolling in cash by the time the game hits the shelves. Suck it up and get your paycheck, you crybaby.

>>712511015
I think part of it was out of some sense of obligation to both Iwata and the series itself (Melee with online sounds great now, but would've been a disappointing announcement in 2006 and probably would've put the franchise on ice for a bit.. again, maybe not a bad thing in retrospect). I can defend his for Brawl, even if it clashed with his reason for leaving HAL. You can tell his love for the series died after that or possibly Smash 3DS.

>>712511015
>Melee with online sounded way better than what we ended up with

>>712511394
>Smash 3DS.
It was this. Alongside the 3DS game, he had to develop for the Wii U as well and take the 3DS' limitations in mind, costing us the Ice Climbers. Plus his shoulder was fucked up from playtesting Kid Icarus, and he was really in rare diva form going by those interviews at the time. Plus with Iwata dying, that really had to have taken a toll on him, and Iwata requested Ultimate going by the ballot, which I feel he proposed going by the reception of the base roster for Four. From 2012 to 2021, this dude was working on Smash back to back to back.

Even with the guaranteed money, I'd be pissed off too.

712511545
Adults are talking.

>>712414973 (OP)
why are you fags so OBSESSED with roster cuts? every time one of you posts a smash 6 thread its always talking about "cuts! cuts!" its all the stupid fucking asshole scotthewozs fault for his dumb video a few years back. Saukurai himself smash 6 is not happening so wtf are you guys even talking about?

>>712414973 (OP)
Sakurai is the #1 cut I want for Smash 6. He's done enough damage.

Mach Rider bros... it's our time...

>>712508608
>I miss when Smash felt good to play
I am, once again, recommending RoA2. Only platform fighter in years that feels good to play. Ultimately, Sakurai just seems too stubborn for anything good to happen to the series' direction. I've entirely given up hope of Smash being fun to play as anything except a party game again. Even as an offline party game, I can still feel the input delay.

>>712511778
I am cautiously optimistic he's gonna let someone take over Smash either due to apathy or creative block. If he is really that loaded from his Ultimate deal, he's got no reason to wade back in unless he's truly tsundere about his position as Smash director. Again, I worry because whoever inherits the reins is going to be up against the best-selling entry by far and people's roster expectations are going to be a bitch to break. I just hope they do something cool with the goodwill the last title's sales generated.

>>712476801
Why? Nothing against an Undertale rep. I want Papyrus but they could do something funny like Hero by putting Kris, Susie and Ralsei as one character.

>>712414973 (OP)
I think Sora is deleted from the roster. He's popular and he's easy to implement since Disney is supportive. And once a character makes it into Smash its easy to negotiate their return since Nomura's autism was sorted out.

The problem with Sora is......his game series has become shitty. And not shitty like Sonic in that Sonic still has loyal autists who love Sonic FOR BEING SHIT. No no no, Kingdom Hearts became shit like Asssassin's Creed and is dying and becoming heavily unpopular for real. Kingdom Hearts 3 disappointed a chunk of people. Kingdom Hearts 4 is going to sell awful because...

The story became unforgivable shit (every major bad story idea has been done like like time travel and reviving dead characters)
The gameplay is inconsistent.

And even now a bunch of side mobile games are important to understand the main console games so that's going to create roadblocks. Basically Kingdom Hearts is on route to failure. And it doesn't help Disney keeps making shitty movies like Encanto or Raya or Turning Red. Whatever goodwill Disney used to have with their classics and Renaissance movies that shit is gone. Kingdom Hearts ran out of fuel.

So I don't see any given reason to keep Sora in Smash when his series has become way too flawed. And here's the kicker you know how game series can turn bad and developers reboot them into being better which is how Sonic the Hedgehog has survived? Kingdom Hearts is the opposite Nomura does NOT reboot. Nomura intentionally keeps the entire shit show united into one linear continuous product of continuity. There is no corporate attempt at correction. So Kingdom Hearts became bad and is staying bad.

>>712414973 (OP)
I'm surprised that Klonoa never made it to Smash since Sakurai loves kemo shotas.

>>712508065
The day people realize Sakurai would gladly put Waluigi in if it weren't for Miyamoto not doing jackshit in any mainline games with him I can die a happy man.

>>712503596
No he isn't. Disney is supportive. Stop the lies. When it comes to licensing what they own Disney is happy go lucky. For crying out loud Disney who is usually a bitch about how Mickey Mouse is presented allowed Sega to make Castle of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse BEFORE Sonic the Hedgehog existed.

>>712512114
Don't get me wrong, this looks fun. But I like my bing bing wahoos and scrimbo blimbos, especially in-person.

>>712414973 (OP)
The only thing I don't want in Smash is Undertale or Deltarune. I hate those shitty games. Those games SHAME you for fighting enemies so what the fuck are they doing in Smash where fighting is the point? Even Kyryu from Yakuza at least is willing to fight men (not women though). Undertale and Deltarune have no business being in Smash with their vegan pacifism homosexual dyke shit. And may Toby Fox die of a painful disease.

There have been discussions of the Glamrocks fitting for Fortnite but I do see that also applies for Smash, given the way they're designed and how fucking durable they are. I'd also love to see their shattered and ruined forms as alt. skins. To be fair, the closest connection I can provide for a FNaF rep making it in is the fact Universal is producing the FNaF and Mario movies.

>>712512114
I hate Rivals of Aether because I don't like Furry Shit and especially when its intentionally ugly because Female Characters Aren't Allowed To Have Big Breasts you shitty westerners.

And no one gives a fuck about these shitty Original Characters do NOT Steal. Fuck them into Hell.

>>712512790
>Boble

>>712512861
>t. Rivals of Aether's biggest fan ever
Damn bro, no need to make it any clearer.

>>712512790
Kris is probably gonna play like Link, a swordsfighter with some ranged attacks via magic and/or soul modes. There's no way that the ACT system can be translated to Smash, and there's a few fights in Deltarune that you can only beat through violence anyway.

>>712470642
I simply don't understand how such a lame concept like Undertale even became popular. Graphics are shit. I've seen legit 8 bit games with superior sprite work like the first Punch Out. And the whole Wah The Monsters Are Good You Humans Are Bad and you must not kill any monster attacking you to earn the Good Ending is such vomit inducing shit. And the characters are simply shitty. The only character I liked was Flowy because being stuck repeating cycles of reality as a flower drove him crazy so why not destroy the shitty SJW politically correct universe? When you make the villain look logical and admirable you made Shit Heroes.

Andrew...

>>712512770
Fair enough. The roster is pretty much the appeal of Smash at this point. The only reason I played Ultimate as long as I did was because I liked the idea of playing my main, pretty much.

I don't know why the characters being anthropomorphic animals causes so much butthurt. Retards like >>712512861 will bitch about the game being furry and in the same breath bitch that the furries' tits aren't big enough. It's insane. It's especially retarded coming from Smash, a series with a cast full of furry characters with infinitely more degenerate porn.

>>712513408
>survived longer than Multiversus
I fucking kneel.

>>712513408
>It's especially retarded coming from Smash, a series with a cast full of furry characters with infinitely more degenerate porn.

You know the rule it doesn't if its male furries. Female Furries are the only ones most dudes like and Isabelle looks like a featureless mascot sack of shit. You need good designed furry chicks like Krystal who will never get in.

>>712513636
Do you realize Krystal was an assist last time right? You know Mac, Dark Samus and Isabelle also started this way before becoming playable next?

>>712513528
I think the only thing that can kill the game at this point is a catastrophically bad balance patch, like Tekken 8 S2 levels. I didn't really follow RoA before 2 because I didn't like the look of the original game's pixel art, but it's clear that they have a dedicated fan base who are willing to buy the MTX and merchandise that allows the game to be so cheap for people who just want to play. They sold a plushie with an attached skin at the beginning of the month and it sold out in like 3 hours or something ridiculous. I don't know who the fuck these people are, I'm just here to fight.

MVS would have lived if it wasn't so badly mismanaged though. Most consumers care more about IPs than gameplay.

>>712513770
NTA but you're right. I honestly think the lack of her inclusion for Ultimate due to the little time Sakurai had to work on between the last DLC on 2015 and Smash Ultimate on 2018, all because Nintendo had to find a way to recover quick due to the failure of the Wii U

>>712513949
You don't think it has anything to do with Krystal being a character from a mediocre spin-off game released in 2002? She's just been another pilot since then, like Falco or Slippy.

If anything, she should have been added to Melee to promote SFA. Her inclusion as an Assist Trophy is all you're getting at this point.

>>712513770
>Also an assist
Not so fast. It's his turn.

>>712512816
>shattered
Or, you can have them become shattered the more damage they receive. I am not fully sure how you can make Monty work that way, but I am aware there was a render of him being shattered and keeping his legs so there's that to it.

>>712512114
i can't play anything except big titles online cause australians are npc's and there will be 0 only matchmaking for anything else

>>712514140
Say that to K. Rool. He was pretty much forgotten and was brought up after the Mii costume thing happened.
>mediocre
As a Star Fox game, yeah. If it had been kept a Krystal game from start to finish it would have been much better and without an asspull to bring back Andross from the dead. And that's not without counting a possible Star Fox game (one can only hope).

>>712514170
Would be cooler as a boss stage.

I'm confident at least 1 of the Links will stay

>hated the thought of Byleth in Smash
>made fun of people on /v/ who wanted him
>he gets revealed
>most disappointed I've ever been with a Smash reveal
>bought the fighter pass when it released so I couldn't not have him
>play him out of obligation
>ends up being the most fun I had with any character in Ult
I really don't want him gone.

>>712514948
His archetype should have gone to a Monster Hunter rep.

>Byleth
>fun
maybe if you suffer from brain damage

>>712514948
DESU it's cool to have an FE rep that uses the weapons triangle, people wanted that for a while. No one wanted 3 Marths and a Roy clone with Ike Up-B.

>>712515568
Yes but my wife could have used the bow move.

>>712414973 (OP)
rest in peace

I play random.

>>712517169
based randomchad

>>712517169
Random is even better when you put mods in for every character.

>>712414973 (OP)
id care if i had any expectation that nintendo would be able to make a half-decent smash game, but they've failed multiple times in a row now

>>712414973 (OP)
>Captain Falcon
>Bowser
>Peach
>Mr. G&W
>Snake
The only one at risk is Snake considering they didn't have him in 4. I feel bad for DK Chads since he is going to get the new design.

>>712519357
DK getting a new design means there's a chance his kit is redesigned, which would be a good thing

>>712508608
>What's funny to me is it's clearly obvious Sakurai hates making [Game he's been making for 25 fucking years].

>>712519970
he's a neurotic control freak who obviously can't let go

>>712520106
>Controlling the game you make is le bad and instead you should let trannies and pajeets make it