No one seem to care about Final Fantasy anymore, why?

nomura and kingdom hearts autism

>>712801502 (OP)
Blonde Tifa

Weren't the FF7 remakes a huge success with a lot of sales and awards?

>>712801502 (OP)
Why? Wanna tell us that you care? Is that why you made this thread?

>>712801502 (OP)
they censored tifa, the most noticable icon in gaming. fuck em.

Estrangement of their fanbase with their constant identity crisis and trend chasing instead of innovating. It's reminiscent of when Capcom tried to make resident evil into a call of duty because "that's what sells".

>>712801502 (OP)
I waited almost 20 years for a fucking time ghost nomura shitshow

>>712801661
great a schizo

>>712801502 (OP)
You niggers literally can't stop talking about it

>>712801502 (OP)
>hasn't had a good game in 24 years
gee I wonder

>>712801714
This, FF gets more threads than the average jrpg

>>712801713
a schizo with money that did not buy this garbage. get fucked knowing your favourite franchise is dead.

>>712801502 (OP)
not that many entries due to longer dev times. They honestly should have given more of the side games actual numbers like Type 0 or World of FF.

>>712801502 (OP)
>People didn't like 13(series)
>15 was mid at best, we want gta audience edition
>16 was mid at best, we want dmc audience edition
>Didn't bother with 7r, but considering all people post about it is waifubait it doesn't bode well

The only surprising part is that square still thinks it's a franchise with CoD/GTA level of cultural relevance.

>>712801502 (OP)
The Lightning trilogy made interest in the Final Fantasy series fucking plummet.
Then the hail mary to save the franchise, FF7, was infected by >>712801562

>>712802156
fuck this sexless flatass ethics department cunt

>>712802156
What the fuck were they thinking?

>>712802156
the problem was ff13 didnt need 2 extra games to finish the story. the ending to ff13 is where they should have stopped.

>>712801502 (OP)
It became progressively more shit after 10.

>>712802305
The extra games happened because XIV 1.0 failed and they needed quick income.

>>712801502 (OP)
25 years of mediocrity finally ran it course

The series needs to go back to being turn based.
There's no need to turn it into a bastard child of Kingdom Hearts and GTA

>>712801502 (OP)
No good games in 2 decades + not turn based

>>712801502 (OP)
2 decades of awful games

>>712801502 (OP)
You had 20 years to move on dude, if anything it seems no jrpg replaced ff yet

>>712801502 (OP)
low effort or too much filler
i quite ff7 remake when i noticed the entire backdrop to midgar was a low res jpg
ff16 would've been regarded as a masterpiece if it wasn't packed full of the most dogturd filler
for some reason it's really difficult for them to just make a clean cut traditional jrpg, might be a suit problem

>>712801502 (OP)
Why is Tifa blonde?

>>712801612
>Lots of sales
L O L

>>712801502 (OP)
Square Penix killed it. They couldn't even remake VII without fucking it up.

Long gaps between releases, with other games taking up the various mantles that FF once held. Now it's mostly about indie rpgs, with other games taking up the mantles such as Persona. With how long persona 6 is taking to come out what little share 4 was able to take will eventually disappear too

>>712801502 (OP)
15 killed the brand

>nObOdY wAnTs RpGs AnYmOre

>>712803018
Rebirth sold 50 million copies.

Nomura fucked it up, it really is that simple
>>712802292
It's like they flushed it all down the drain on purpose

>>712801562
yep

>>712801502 (OP)
We have had almost 20 years of bad games.
If you start at XII which came out in 2006. If you didnt like that game you definitely weren't going to like any other game going forward. It has been a snowball effect.

>>712801502 (OP)
how can you spend ungodly budget on remakes and still make this ugly alien samefaces?

>>712801502 (OP)
Sellout to realism shit.

>>712801612
>a lot of sales

>>712803952
Ff12 was good IMHO

>>712801502 (OP)
Square has been faceplanting with the series ever since 12. They get half the shit right and the other half is a steaming pile of feces, every fucking time. Man fuck those niggas.

>>712801502 (OP)
While I like 7 Rebirth, the series has been a shell of its former self ever since Sakaguchi left. A very parroted opinion, but one I 100% agree with

>>712801502 (OP)
Because they stopped making them over a decade ago.

>>712804320
...and yet, he hasn't made a single good game after he was fired from Square.
>inb4 b-b-but Lost Odyssey
Mediocre at best.

>>712801502 (OP)
>the last final fantasy that was universally considered good came out 25 years ago

>>712801502 (OP)
SE didn't just fuck the dog but an entire kennel.

>>712802037
>The only surprising part is that square still thinks it's a franchise with CoD/GTA level of cultural relevance.
Only (now old and fat) women still care about FF where I live. How's it in your cunt?

>>712803391
I need to finish Xenogears alongside Valkyrie Profile 1.

>>712804717
Never seen anyone who cared.

>be in 30s
>have a smart girl with glasses fetish
>have a teacher dommy mommy type fetish
>have a bdsm femdom fetish, especially for whips
Man, I really shouldn've played FF8 when I hit puberty.

cringe jap fictions
you just grew out of it
>but not me
i have bad news for you

>>712802156
armpit

>>712801502 (OP)
Expedition 33 already gave me all i wanted from a FF game that square refused to give me for over 20 years.

only appeals to 90s/y2k weebs which already dislike the new games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4Tg83-25do

>>712801502 (OP)
Final Fantasy has been bad for 16 years.

>walk 5 steps
>useless cutscene that contributes nothing to the story
>walk 5 steps
>useless cutscene that contributes nothing to the story
All because SE now has unlimited install space. They need to go back to FFX level of storytelling and cutscenes.

It was a slow vanishment that started with XII but reached critical mass after the whole Versus XIII/XV burned a lot of people, never recovered since then.

>>712806457
>Expedition 33 already gave me all i wanted from a FF game that square refused to give me for over 20 years.
True enough and Stellar Blade took the space that FF16 tried to carve out for itself in the Action Combat genre.
It's the one-two punch of newer better games showing how old and tired Final Fantasy is now.

>>712804604
>ESL hears "screw the pooch" in True Lies
>attempts to use it

>>712801612
>loses best action to Slopkong
>which is effectively a poor man's XVI
kek, you can really tell the FF hateboner is peaking at this point in time

>>712801502 (OP)
>why?
They went woke and started adding shit that doesn't belong. Now people are boycotting the company and it will die later down the line. Many such cases.

>>712803809
No it didn't

>>712803391
>better not fry

>>712801502 (OP)
11 was the beginning of the end for me, an MMO isn't worthy of a numbered entry in the series, after 10 I just don't see of the characters as cool or worth playing their game for, like lightning or any of the fashion boys that came after

zoomers only play online slop

>>712801502 (OP)
They stopped making Final Fantasy games after XII what do you mean?

>>712801612
>lot of sales and awards
it got some awards for the ost which is only because the original ost was good

>>712802464
No fuck turn based

>>712809481
Fuck the dog is the original term, you spanner.

>>712805671

>>712801502 (OP)
the reality is, they never advanced and when they tried they missed the mark completely.

for example FF7 should have never had realistic graphics. It worked in the block graphics only. Square doesn't understand this becuase they are shitty devs

People moved on to Souls games.

>>712801502 (OP)
humans always seek novetly and FF has kind of run its course. you know what youre going to get when you go into an FF game, rehashing old idea. Remakes another sign they're creatively bankrupt and circling the drain.

>>712812480
>new cope
So did all the millenials who grew up with this series suddenly all die?

>>712801502 (OP)

Nomura and Nojima ruining VII, their golden goose, did not help. Not to mention the quality of the series went extremely downhill after XII.

>>712812754
Graphics are not the problem at all.
Nu-Bombing Mission was a huge improvement.

>>712801612
>Lots of Sales
Anon FF7 remake and Rebirth two games which are using the supposed great name of FF7 (according to oldfags who never the shut fuck up about how amazing ff7 is) the supposed masterpiece of SE.
FF7Remake which has been out for 5 years and Rebirth for a year, combined have sold a sum total of 8million copies.

Space Marine 2 has been out for 9 months and has sold 7million copies.

Really puts it into comparison how dead in the water Final Fantasy is now doesn't it.

>>712812953
no they got married and stopped playing games

>>712801502 (OP)
They starte catering to western sensibilities instead of making games for their marked. I play jap games specifically to get away from western sensibilities
Do your math

>>712813124
Makes you wonder how good the 7R sales would have been if they made the games good instead of bad.

>>712801502 (OP)
Don't be surprised when SE reboot FF numbering.

>>712801502 (OP)
Final Fantasy only got huge because it was the most readily available JRPG franchise for a long time, just like Dragon Quest/Warrior. The moment it got even a little competition everyone realized Squaresoft is overrated as fuck.

>>712813124
So wait, Space marine 1 sold between 1-2 million copies over it's lifetime (only 1.2million was confirmed after the third week of it's release) which means combined with the sales from Space Marine 2 put those two games combined having sold more than FF7remake and Rebirth combined.

That's...what the fuck

I think one issue is modern RPGs are made by people who grew up playing FF

Consequently their RPGs evolved beyond FF whereas FF ran out of steam and stayed stuck in ARPG slop mode for the past decade

>>712812373
XI took a while but it won me over. Especially when they added Trusts to make it soloable. Made it so much easier. I only play during free logins which last 2 weeks but I have a great time.

>>712812953
The exact same thing is happening in MtG right now - the FF set is selling like crazy, but not to anyone who actually plays Magic. It is all collectors / "investors" / scalpers / one-off nostalgia buyers. None of them actually play or will stick around for anything else.

The FFVII remake(s) fall into the same category. Lots of people are buying them, but no one is actually playing them. They are nostalgia bait to the highest degree and I doubt SE cares either way. WotC sure the fuck doesn't as far as Magic is concerned.

>>712814034
Tangentially, the current devs never played Wizardry or D&D. So they don't know the inspiration.

>>712814232
I bet it's a good game, 14 too, just call it World of Crystals or something

>>712811170
>wukong
>a poor man's XVI
fucking moron, you didn't even play it

>>712814510
Well no one played FF16

Disappointing launches that are fixed too late scarred the FF brand:
>FF13 panned for being hallway sim
Ironic, since today's most popular RPGs are a lot like it. Nevertheless, the fixes to the formula only came in 13-2 and Lightning Returns, and even then.
>FF15 panned for being big and empty, having performance issues, and poor party mechanics
This time, SE addressed a lot of the problems through DLC. But it was too little, too late.
>FF16 panned for being a super-streamlined action game
What even was this? Yes, it was comparatively polished and self-complete, but it was so unambitious that it had you craving the mess that was 15.
>FF7 Remake pisses everyone off for delivering a fraction of the beloved story despite implying it's a full remake, and having a ton of filler
What a bad start for the trilogy. Remake had good combat, a great intro and finale, but was filled with so much filler in the middle. I'm sure the pandemic fucked this one over a bit, as did the switch to UE4.
>Rebirth is console exclusive middle entry in a trilogy
Rebirth is genuinely one of the best games in the series. It's maybe one of the best games this console generation. But therein lies the problem - it was a console exclusive. Coming off the heels of a mixed first entry, it was hard to draw players in.
>What to do going forward?
Call FF7R3 FF17. Make it a mainline entry and convince everyone that it's doing something epic and original, which is probably more than a half-truth.

>>712813686
Not really, FF used to be great

>>712801502 (OP)
I do!

wrong
the only big jrpg series i can think of that nobody cares about here is tales
tales of arise sold 3 million and you barely see any threads on v

FF has been shit longer than most of you faggots have been alive. You don't even know how much better we had it. We went from FF4 to FFX in 10 years. You retards wait 10 years for 1 mediocre game.

>>712814405
Honestly? I'd actually recommend buying it when it's cheap so you can qualify for free logins. You can get a lot of stuff done in the free 30 days and then twice yearly free logins.

Gacha slashed like 60% of the core fan base
And the general market took the other 40%

Square Enix is way behind the times and to rigid and old to let some crazy shizzo in his mid 20s direct a main title that crashes into pop culture again

>>712801502 (OP)
Because magic has become a corpslop.

>>712814663
The best Final Fantasy games are Chrono Trigger and Terranigma.

Honestly people want "hard" actiony games where you lock on and dodge roll. 7R and Rebirth are easy games on the first playthrough, your first game over in Rebirth is probably well over a dozen or so hours in game. Its weird cause you need to engage with the mechanics atleast, instead of just finding what works and only using that.

>>712801502 (OP)
What are you talking about? I'm flapping to Elena as we speak. Type.

>>712814827
They're also being slowly bought out by an Activist investor group who want to milk SE, they want to turn it into Ubisoft it arguably already is like that

The point is, these guys who are buying up SE stock are known for coming in and asset stripping like a locust and then moving on. SE are squarely in their crosshairs.

>>712814595
16 isn’t horrible but the eikon v eikon fights get old really quick because ifrits moveset is so fucking limited compared to Clive’s. the story also has periods of absolute tedium and bore but had some really high points, but then retarded out of character shit happens right before you fight Odin. I really love the design of Cid and Ultima in 16 and the combat is pretty good even if it is quite easy. Strangers of Paradise is definitely better than 16 though.

They still crank out the best OSTs for the RPG genre and it's not even close.

FF16 is the best looking video games I've played to date in terms of graphics+animation.

Story telling has fallen off quite a lot though.I fucking loved FFX's story, but I was absolutely enthralled with FFXI's Chains of Promathia. I kind of liked the story with FFXIV Heavensward, but none of the other expansions really captured me.

>>712801502 (OP)
Its sucked for 20 years and square blew their chance to draw people who don’t buy it anymore back in with their mess of ff7

>>712815058
final fantasy tactics advance is a masterpiece. I’m a dragon warriors homer but nothing in the series (not even DQM1&2) holds a candle to TA

>>712801865
Its one guy spamming a new thread every hour about nothing.

FF -> FFIX mostly great, some bumps here and there but enjoyable games.
FFX is good but it was also shit for a number of reasons, and no I'm not talking just about X-2.
XI (and XIV) were NOT appreciated by real FF fans, and I think people have forgotten how controversial XII was when it came out. Then XIII came out and is literally the very worst Final Fantasy game of all time, possibly the very worst JRPG of all time, and its sequels only made it worse.
And then the snowball of shit just kept rolling.
I couldn't give less than a shit about this franchise or Square in general to be honest.
Fuck Squaresoft, fuck Square Enix, fuck all of this shit. I'm out. I'm so upset right now. I'm leaving. Don't reply. I'm removing the thread from thread watch.
Fuck all of you.
I love you all.

>>712814336
A good comparison here is thrash metal

Some modern thrash metal pushes the envelope (e.g. Vektor's Terminal Redux) compared to 80s thrash, but most of it is derivative slop because modern thrash bands grew up listening to 80s thrash. Whereas when 80s thrash bands were asked about their influences they always say like The Beatles or some 60s shit or something, it's never metal

FF7 is maybe my favorite game of all time, yet I haven't touched either of the Demakes. Between the spammy, Kingdom Hearts combat and the retarded changes to the plot, it's a hard pass for me. Not paying for an obvious, episodic cash grab. Many such cases.

>>712815465
>>Vektor's Terminal Redux
>oh neat, music recommendation from anon!
>i like thrash metal!
>go to listen to it
>the singer: AHGASHUDUHADHGUASUKGHJDASJDSDSHGDSUGFUGSFUSUSIFUASDUIAU!!!!!!!!!
>mfw
Seriously kill yourself.

>>712815429
The ironic part here is that FFXI ended up being one of the most core FF games of all that many people simply haven't played due to it being an MMO.

>>712815760
Looks like this anon doesn't like his envelope being pushed.

>>712815760
If you're getting filtered by Vektor then please stay away from Blackened Thrash (the only good modern of thrash)

There are plenty of pizza thrash bands that may (unironically) be more to your liking

Because SquareEnix hired leftists and pandered to leftists
Get woke, go broke
Even for the biggest IPs on the planet
Leftists are not people nor have human rights.

gen z and younger think you need to play 15 games before you can play ff16

>>712801502 (OP)
>No one seem to care about Final Fantasy anymore, why?
Final Fantasy stopped being Final Fantasy. Square Enix are retarded.
Play Fantasian. It's still Final Fantasy and it's still splendid.

Can I use this thread to bitch about FF7Rebirth?

>>712801502 (OP)
>taking forever between mainline releases
>console exclusivity limiting reach
>no vision for the series
There's still interest in the series, the MTG set proves it. SE just doesn't know what the fuck they're doing with it.

Not saying it has to be turn based either just look at 15 and 16 compared to SoP. SoP might be more niche, but its a hell of a lot more recognizable as FF than the other two just on inclusion of FF elements and character progression.

>>712815213
Quite funny to imagine SE somehow being managed even worse

>>712812662
>calls me a British wrench

>>712801502 (OP)
>no one cares about a dull series that has been shoved in our faces year after year and is incredibly boring now
wow!

>>712815213
Okay, but what are the chances we get a Korean or Chinese FF game out of this? Because Japan fucking sucks these days.

>>712817906
>the MTG set proves it
Bless your heart anon

>>712818213
None, asset strippers what they do to games is they done want money to be spent on developing games but use existing properties and force more cash shops, microtransactions that sort of them to milk the existing brands think FF14 with it's cash shop, they'll want to push pressure and increase the amount of items sold in the shop for real money.
There might be more gachas made that's the only thing that is likely to come from this.

>>712802156
13 is so bad man, I replayed it 15 years after launch week to see if maybe I was just too harsh on it but no, it's really that bad.

>>712818531
it’s already happening. a lot of times when I was playing 16 I couldn’t help but see all the 14 assets everywhere

>>712818846
we’ve lived long enough to see 13 apologists. I was 20 when that game came out and started with 3 on the nes. 13 is so fucking awful

>>712818910
Well it's the same studio and apparently the engine was a heavily modified version of 14's. It's shocking that they take so long between main line releases and still have to reuse assets though.

>>712815287
Linear sections in FF16 were good. Problems arise when you're not in those linear sections.
I did like the story up until the Bahamut fight.

>>712819008
when 15 and 16 were worse, it was bound to happen. it's really not that bad of a game, solid 7/10.

>>712813408
Or, the series became so shit they moved on other games.
>>712815058
You're the shadow on the picture

>>712801502 (OP)
Probably because they haven't released a good ff game in more than a decade.

>>712819396
It is a bad game, tho. A horrible game, even.
Most XIII apologists were either kids on XIII release or eat any shit with Final Fantasy in the name.

>>712801502 (OP)
>No one cares about final fantasy so here is a thread about me and other retards giving it attention

>>712820513
Don't cry

>>712814315
>The FFVII remake(s) fall into the same category. Lots of people are buying them, but no one is actually playing them.
Yes, because 60% of the players beating the game is “not playing”.

>>712819396
>solid 7/10
IGN-brained retard. 13 is well below average, it's probably a 3/10 held up by solid graphics and a middlingly average OST.

>>712812743
>Pubic region exposed
>No pubes
Dropped harder than an iranian hypersonic warhead on Tel Aviv

>>712820687
>all those people who never even put the disc in the machine or loaded it in the first place
Grim

>>712801502 (OP)
>new game release
>OMG IT SOLD BETTER THAN [FF game]
Nah i think it is fine. People are still really insecure over it, specially lesser franchises RPG fans.
FF is still the standard of JRPGs and im glad it is that way.

>>712801502 (OP)
XIII soured everyone on it, and XV completely blundered the chance to get back on track.

SE suits destroyed it and everyone blames the guy who drew the pictures

>>712821137
Do you think you'll love remake part 3 regardless of what happens in it?

>>712821383
Not if Sephiroth comes back in time, kills tifa and aerith revives.

>>712821289
XIII and XV trash doesn't make Remake and Rebirth good. They are trash too. The whole Compilation is.

>>712821114
Pretty much common for literally every game.
https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/5611-final-fantasy-xv
It averages out that basically half of players will beat a base game. And only half of that will do additional stuff.

>>712820748
you haven't played an actual 3/10 game before

>>712801612
FF has never been a big seller compared to pretty much any other AAA franchise or title, especially Western ones.

Consider that these highest sellers are after 20+ years of sales, remasters, ports, re-releases, a now remakes that of course got people interested in trying the originals.

>>712801502 (OP)
>No one seem to care about Final Fantasy anymore, why?

Five bad games in a row tends to do it.

>>712821434
I appreciate the answer. You wouldn't believe how angry some people get when they don't want to share their thoughts on that question.

they need to appeal to fujos more and include even more shotas and twinks

>>712821890

Oh we're just pretending 10 million plus is bad sales now huh

>>712821729

Nah he's right. You're just a low IQ person dazzled by pretty graphics. The gameplay in FF13 is just about the worst you can ever have in any videogame.

>>712822173
The gameplay is fun in 13-2.

>>712821890
So after nearly 30 years, FF7 was able to sell 18 million units

Meanwhile, The Witcher 3 alone has sold 60 million since 2011

>>712822216

We're not discussing 13-2, we're discussing 13.

>>712822218
Yeah and? Rockstar games and many others outsell plenty of Nintendo ips

>>712822218
>Meanwhile, The Witcher 3 alone has sold 60 million since 2011

Most of those at a -95% discount but sure.

>>712822218
We're talking about how FF games (especially FF7 related ones) sell great. Games that outsell FF games have nothing to do with the conversation.

>>712822067
Stop moving the goalposts. I said right there that compared to other AAA titles and Western games, it does not sell comparatively and certainly not to the extent its reputation would have you assume. See >>712822218

A couple million sales is GREAT for a PS1 game. Not so great for a modern AAA bloated development/marketing budget behemoth like SE wants it to be. That's why they keep chasing trends. FF gets big boy status in the media and pop culture, but it NEVER had the big boy sales to back it up.

FF has great sales for a game with the budget of Persona or Tales, but pretty disappointing performance for something with the budget of TLOU.

>>712822218
And people treats Metroid as a cultural phenomenon when it's sales are average or ok at most.
Sales doesn't mean cultural relevancy most of the time, many classic names get outsold by even indies these days, dunno why the obsession over FF sales came from

>>712822346
>>712822424
>>712822436
This
Games that outsell ff have no place in a SE sales success discussion

>>712822519
>haha this FF didn't sell good
>FF games never sell good though
>THATS NOT RELEVANT

>>712822457
>dunno why the obsession over FF sales came from
I used to prove modern FF games were objectively good and the critics were objectively wrong by throwing sales numbers at them. I even went through SE financial reports to back up my claims that the games were doing great and hugely popular. Ever since Rebirth came out I've not only stopped salesposting, but I don't think others should salespost either.
Can anyone explain this?

>>712821890
Most of those FF games sold more than the OG God of War games. God of War 2 didn't even crack 5 million IIRC.

>>712822457
Square are the ones complaining about the games underperforming, which gives fuel to the haters, especially the heavily asshurt turn based troons.

>>712822717
S-E used to complain Rise of the Tomb Raider doing 5 million was bad.

>>712822717
I see. Tbh I don't see jrpgs with big graphics selling THAT well anymore, kids prefer gachas these days

>>712801502 (OP)
Because it's been shit for almost 20 years now

>>712815287
>FF16 is the best looking video games I've played to date in terms of graphics+animation.
It must look completely different to the gameplay trailers then because all I see is over the top particle effect spam.

>>712822457
>dunno why the obsession over FF sales came from
The real reason is that people are just pissed off FF isnt pure turn based anymore. Thats literally it. It is people trying to get any kind of "objective" measurement to say that FF is bad or should change (note: change as in "go back to turn based", thats what change means)
If FF went back to turn based and sold like 2 millions, people are gonna say that it doesnt matter since they are finally back to its roots and they are appealing to us real fans.
If FF sold a lot as an action game, they are gonna say "they are just appealing to FF non-fans and call of duty zoomers, meanwhile they are spitting at us FF fans"

Its all about turn based.
Thats literally it.

>>712801502 (OP)
We should have got an original turks/young sephiroth/ilfana game instead of this trash refake

Will you ever cease your mewling?

>>712822909
But you have more turn based games. Just play those

>>712801612

>>712822841

>>712822994
Dont tell me, tell the ones bringing up sales.
Ive been playing Look outside, metaphor, exp33, like a dragon 8 and others.

>>712821926
people buy much worse games all the time which end up selling millions. FF is just not appealing to zoomers and the old fans are old and have moved on. Quality wise no FF game is bad, none go below 7/10, they are just bad FF's insane high standards fans had for the franchise.

>>712822994
Nta but in reality people want FF with turn based, the other jrpgs are irrelevant for being too weeb or pixel related or to lack telenovela/cutscenes. What people loved the most was the presentation, it's why you still get 200 daily ff threads over dragon quest ones

>>712801502 (OP)
They keep releasing half baked bullshit games

>>712813912
SM2 had alot of hype and big streamers played it, only to have poor word of mouth long term and people point out the gameplay faults at a glance. Rebirth has good word of mouth/reviews but its a second part in an episodic game that is also just heavily anime adjacent.

FF16 sold 3m in a few days, big numbers but then it falls off a cliff when people realize wait this game is kinda ass. SM2 is the same way but co-op and hype went much further.

>>712822965
i never got why they called them turkeys instead of chocobos...

>>712823048
Will it sell as much as The Witcher?

>>712819328
what didn’t you like about bahamut story? Dion was a great character, I thought. I just met barnabas for the first time and Clive going full retard and getting Jill captured is making me consider dropping the game

>>712822909
I don't care about turn based, I just want a full party of varied and interesting characters in a unique setting again.

16 had no fucking party, one character with about as much depth to his gameplay as your average Dynasty Warriors character, in a generic brown western fantasy setting, and that was supposed to carry the boring, generic "it was god-aliens the whole time!!" narrative for like 50+ hours.

16 wasn't even a fucking RPG, if it didn't have the FF name on it then it would be considered a middling action game to be forgotten until it appears on some Neo-Youtuber's "Top 50 underrated hidden gems on the PS5" list 20 years from now.

I prefer action RPGs over turn-based, but FF16 was not good at anything.

>>712801502 (OP)
My kids are starting school soon. Square hasn't made a good FF game since I was still at school. Why would anyone care about this ancient franchise?

>>712822909
Real reason is no party and ps5 exclusivity
>But FF7R
200 hours to tell a 30 hours story in 10 years, nobody wants to wait that long
They should just make shorter games and multiplatform, literally that's it since people obviously keep missing FF

>>712823048
>front runner for GOTY and everyone sucking its dick
>also 50 bucks
>not even 4m in over a month now
>>712823249
Maybe Witcher 2, but Witcher 3 would be untouchable. We don't have hard numbers on individual Witcher games, but by 2014 both games combined sold 8m.

>>712823048
I love this game but don't expect to sell 20 millions
This genre is hard to sell for new audiences, look at how fast people forgot about metaphor

>>712801502 (OP)
I almost stopped caring after FF13. I stopped caring when they showed another trailer for versus 13 only to change the logo at the end to 15 and everyone in the room clapped. At that moment I realized that this company is dead and no matter how much I wish to relive my childhood FF days they will never deliver the same quality ever again. It's sad really but I skipped both 15 and 16 and when they announced FF7 remake but changed it to a reimagination fanfic tier nonsense I knew I was right.

>>712823616
ff universe is just far too interesting and established. while bug fables was an okay game (far too derivative in most aspects) it just can’t hit that burst of nostalgia and familiarity like paper mario would.

>>712823616
If Larian can sell 20m+ in a turn based CRPG, a JRPG can do the same. The issue was they ran out of Steam when it came to making engaging content, the latter optional areas kinda suck outside of Reacher. BG3 on the other hands always feels like each act is a massive amount of NEW shit to see with actual quests. A problem of their own making with E33 being similar to FROM games of "we designed a dead world with nothing really inside of it".

>>712821137
Welcome to how things work now. More people buying games means sales numbers are always bigger, but they still still tout "BEST SELLING GAEM EVAR" each time because it sounds good.

>>712801502 (OP)
There haven't been a final fantasy to give a shit about since X, not my fault.

>>712801612
Came too late, should have been released 15 years ago or so.

>>712818846
You are wrong, it's worse. I genuinely believe it's the worst AAA game ever made.

>>712801502 (OP)
final fantasy changes artstyle and gameplay every fucking game so normies have no idea what they're getting

>>712824024
it’s kind of funny that 16 has the same problems. very linear, no point to side quests, making items, shit you should have in the game isn’t available for like 20-40 hours, very little point in exploring the overworld as hunts are unlocked after the fact. half of the eikons kind of suck but the gameplay is a bit better than 13 and some of the characters are pretty good

>>712805671
Dude, don't fall for it. Quistis's entire character is being a poser. The glasses are fake and she's only 18. She couldn't dommy mommy her way out of a wet paper bag.

>>712823861
Bg3 didn't sell for being turn based but for being Tumblr dating the game
Why do you think smt sell less than persona? Do you seriously think Stardew valley would sell without dating?

>>712818262
>literally the best selling set in MTG's history
>despite much bigger more recognizable franchises getting sets before
>this means absolutely nothing

>>712824229
>but the gameplay is a bit better than 13
That doesn't sound like a compliment to me.

>>712801502 (OP)
Boomer games, same shit as point and click games being less popular

>>712824024
I feel this way too, I actually bought myself a PS3 just to play it on my birthday weekend.
Worst birthday ever hahaha lol!

>>712824430
MTG is 15 years past its peak

>>712801502 (OP)
Even Square Enix themselves don't care about it anyway

>>712820748
Ah yes Imagine Babiez is a much better game.

>>712801502 (OP)
FFVII remake part 2, FFXVI, and FFXIV Dawntrail all underperformed. Been over 10 years since the last time the series was in this sad of a state.

>>712801502 (OP)
It's a series about ambition and vision and they no longer have any ambitious visionaries.

>>712824442
it wasn’t supposed to be, but I just thought it was interesting that the reception to 16 overall was a lot better. says a lot about the current state of the industry

>>712824534
>still the biggest card game in the world
>still doesn't mean anything

>>712801562
fpbp and /thread

>>712824525
Don't feel bad. I did what you did for MGS4.

>>712824641
>still the biggest card game in the world
Pokemon and YGO both mog it

multiple stinkers in a row

Remake sold 7 million IIRC last confirmed numbers, people actually think the Switch 2 versions of the remakes aren't going to sell like hotcakes?

>>712802292
they wanted a new face of the franchise but made her totally unlikable and her game was shit. Then they doubled and tripled down for the next 8 years despite the audience rejecting her

>>712824712
rip. I really didn’t like 4 or 5. twin snakes and 3 are great

>>712824714
Yeah and if ff sold 50 millions you would still say it sells less than cod
This is not about sales but about you being bitter about FF

>>712823267
I meant the story went to shit after the boss fight.
The moment evil mommy commits sudoku the story loses all drive.

Man I really liked Rebirth, the whole core game was upgraded from Remake
but I fucking hate how much worthless filler was packaged in

every side mission is MMO tier chores
game would have been much better if they rewarded the player with just plain exploration

>>712802305
The problem was no one played 13-2 or LR. Everyone got filtered by 13's crap story and nonstop hallways that they didn't get to experience how great 13-2 was and how fun LR was if you didn't have a autistic panic attack at easy time limits.

>>712824835
It sucks that we're not going to be able to pretend every negative post about 7R is coming from tendies anymore. We'll need a new strawman.

>people have been asking for a ff7 remake since the opening scene tech demo was remade on the ps3 in like 2006
>finally decide to release it a decade after the fact but also they changed the battle system, the story, padded short sections of the game into hours with tedium, and included all of the EU shit that only the most slop sucking fanboys ever liked or cared about
thanks

>>712825017
Did you play Death Stranding? I actually liked it a lot. Surprised me because I hate MGSV even more than MGS4 but I was willing to give Kojima one more chance and he hit my autistic taste with it.

>>712824534
There are more players and games played since Arena came out than any point when MTG was exclusively cardboard. We can talk about the gameplay, set design, community, etc being worse or even Arena being kind of a shit client but the game's size post-Arena dwarfs any point in its history.

>>712816864
Isn’t this a fucking phone game?

>>712825190
Good pivot
Although it does count as your concession.

>>712825295
yeah what a fucking anticlimax. and everyone just standing around shooting the shit with her, too
>>712825437
I played a little bit of it. I was really invested in the story but just couldn’t get into the gameplay

Why do people keep posting negatively about SE no matter how many hours I spend telling them not to

>>712819008
to be fair, TO BE FAIR, FF13 may be shit but at least it felt like a FF game in terms of character design, world aesthetics, and OST. I will say the game still looks fuckin amazing and the soundtrack is great. That’s it though, everything else is shit

>>712816864
It's cheap mobile shit that's about as fucking generic as can possibly be without being public domain on arrival.

>>712825497
They released a PC version with better graphics and gameplay changes. Also worth noting is a mobile game but doesn’t have any RMT at all, since it’s Apple Arcade.

>>712825691
Autism and loneliness

>>712825701
true. I died inside when I played kingdom hearts 3

>>712825579
More like the opposite but okay, I knew I was right

>>712825815
The only complaints I see from reviewers are that it has UI features that scream mobile, stupid but not really a big deal, and that it’s too difficult and complex later on which is a GIGANTIC endorsement.

>>712825691
Because we want them to do better, anon. Well, there was a while when WoWfags had some vendetta against SE because of some shit about XIV during Covid too, but I think they moved on.

>>712825936
My finest work, you gotta hand it to me

>>712801502 (OP)
FFXII was divisive, then XIII share the bed. The HD era was FF's chance to become revelant to a whole new generation of players, and Squeenix completely fumbled the ball.

>>712825691
Because they don't like jrpgs, they like ff

>>712826416
FF12 was tragic, director abandoned the project and made the team making that huge world waste their time

>>712826416
I think xiii-2 was good.
They say 11 and 14 are good but again, mmo. Wish they made them offline, and I feel like the mmo format doesn't work anymore with gacha being just there

Developers and producers are too ambitious, simple as that. There was no request to innovate, yet they keep doing it. No one asked for ff16 to be an action game, no one asked for ff7r to revamp the story the way it did, everything is the directors and producers own fault. You’d think FF is suffering because of corporate meddling like other franchises, but it’s the total opposite. This series worst enemy is its own legacy staff, they just don’t get it. Look at how well received projects by Yuji Hori are in comparison, its not perfect but he sticks to what makes Dragon Quest loved.

>>712801562
THIS SHIT AGAIN.
You faggots keep parroting stupid rumors you saw on /v/ like it's truth.

NOMURA WAS AGAINST CHANGES FOR REMAKE. HE SAID IN INTERVIEW THAT ORIGINAL PLAY FOR REMAKE WAS TO BE EVEN MORE DIFFERENT BUT HE SAID NO. IT WAS NOJIMA'S IDEA TO ADD DEMENTORS.
He aslo wanted to kill all of the character that weren't your party during original ff7 parachute jump in disc 3 return to midgar. Nomura talked out him out of it.

YES. Nomura is actually voice of reason in this case.

>>712827045
It is pretty ironic considering how he handles kingdom hearts, but yes Nomura is the only reason why the games even have some semblance of turn based mechanics

>>712827045
>NOJIMA
The same guy who said ff7 and 10 are in the same universe
The same guy who wrote that FFX-2.5 novel where Tidus kicks a bomb thinking it's blitzball and kills himself accidentally

>>712826515
yeah I still personally liked 12, probably because I was really into 11 at the time. the gambit system is still genius when you get it figured out.

>>712827045
You should see the old interviews during Versus development and his actual plans for that (not the meme rumors from nobodies like making it a musical)

Nomura knows what makes a game fun, all his plans and ideas were absolute gold and none of them made it to Tabata's game. Tabata actually removed finished sections of Versus to sell them off as a movie or just axe them entirely, and dumbed down the gameplay from even the playable demos we got on PS4 because his own old man hands could not keep up.

>>712801502 (OP)
the last good/memorable FF game was FFX

>>712827116
>considering how he handles kingdom hearts
Kingdom Hearts is at least consistent thematically. It clearly has a direction because it has one guy with a vision primarily handling it rather than snapping from sci-fi to modern fantasy to medieval fantasy across 3 numbered entries.

>>712826870
>Look at how well received projects by Yuji Hori are in comparison
Dragon Quest sells like complete ass outside of Japan. I'd hardly call that a success, much less a world wide success.

>>712824590
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcy7d2mNODw

>>712827597
Wow, that's bad, XVI at least has flashy combat, XV's is just really fucking boring all the time, turns out by design.

>>712801502 (OP)
FF has been dead for a quarter century now

>>712814779
They released games faster but they did suffer from it though, like FF6 world's of ruin, FF8 gameplay systems and Laguna/ishtar story. Not sure about FF9 but some parts feel lacking like amaranth/lani/freya and various stuff in the second half of the game.

>>712801612
>Weren't the FF7 remakes a huge success with a lot of sales and awards?

The remakes are on track to collectively sell less than the original.

>>712827597
Wow when I thought I couldn't hate Tabata more you came and proved me wrong. Good job anon. My disgust for this piece of shit is immeasurable.

>>712801502 (OP)
square stopped caring, why should I?

>>712824835
no it did not sell 7 million, they count shipping in it with is dishonest because it was bound to ship a lot. Strangely they didn't brag about rebirth sales.

>>712825408
>We'll need a new strawman
Returning to the tradition of blaming Barry.

>>712819718
I've never played Kingdom Hearts.

>>712830642
Rebirth sold horribly, i was genuinely shocked to see it do only 2.5 million at best during its first month. FF7 remake was supposed to be square enix’s emergency button

>>712831156
>2nd entry in an ongoing series
>launched exclusive to a platform managed by a company that hates their Japanese roots
>not even the same console as the previous release
I think it was actually easy to predict Rebirth underperforming.

Literally playing FFT:A2 as we speak!

Reminder, Square Enix's stock is the best it's been in over 25 years. They're doing great, doomposters are pathetic faggots.

>>712801502 (OP)
It stopped being snoy exclusive so the jeet shills don't have to pretend it was good anymore.

>>712801502 (OP)
Wow, it's as if they has decided to shit up their flagship title with a shit for brain multiverse plot.

>>712827597

>>712831609
This. FF is dead but they still have SaGa and DQ to prop it up. They aren't going anywhere.

Probably because the people in charge of FF decided being Game of Thrones and showing gay sex is more important than making a Final Fantasy game. Now we're just waiting for Dragon Quest to go the same route for no reason.

>>712831609
what does this has to do with FF? Is FF SE only product? Fucking retard.

>>712802156
What were they thinking with her.....

>>712827045

>>712801502 (OP)
Judging by all the seething in the thread I think it's safe to say people still care.

>>712801502 (OP)
Literally the only thing making Final Fantasy interesting was Amato's concepts.
Since that time it has degenerated further and further into generic "Japanese interpretation of Western fantasy".

>>712831671
Looking at the reviews it's because of bloated pointless filler content and how badly they butchered the story.

>>712832516
Story yes, but idk why ff7rebirth gets mocked for “bloated” content when shoving in a bunch of random shit that isn’t necessarily fun is a jrpg staple.

>>712801502 (OP)
Rebirth was mainly a game for nostalgia, they did great enough for the material to feel respected but at the same time they add too many "gamification" non sense sections (everything you can do on the openworld bits, collectables mostly) which dull and dumb down the whole things. The gameplay was okay but I felt like the original FF7 combat system offered for more strategy and emotional involvement to the player than that one, which is impressive, and cool, but not.. that much personal.

Also, I don't like what they did to my Cid Highwind :/

Said otherwise, without being a Quantic Dream QTE fever dream the game felt a bit more like a nice & nostalgic cinematic journey than a cool final fantasy game. Keep the technical & arty side of it, and rethink the gameplay Squeenix.

>>712801502 (OP)
I want to lick it.

>>712832649
>this bad thing is in other games so it's not fair to say it's bad when rebirth does it
Huh?

>>712824537
What the hell are you talking about?

>>712832757
Not what i was trying to say. I don’t know why FF7 Rebirth gets mocked for being bloated while other JRPGs receive positive feedback for being stretched and filled with unnecessary content.

>>712815287
>They still crank out the best OSTs for the RPG genre and it's not even close.
Sorry, they've been topped.

Those damn birds..

>>712833341
.. were the worst.

The game could be 100x more fun if Squeenix made an accessibility option to scale down / disable their area of effects.

>>712801502 (OP)
disingenuous, generic, pandering remakes. and im a big FF7 fan. i have no interest in playing the remakes solely from the art style

I want to travel to the alternate reality where FF7 remake was this realistic project with minimal story changes, turn based combat, all in one reasonable game.

>>712833612
they couldn't have done it anon, the scope of the original game was too big to translate. Also here's 30 hours of padded garbage lmao.

>>712833612
But you must consider...is a reality like that even possible given the personalities and grandiose arrogance of Square-Enix?

>>712834125
FF7 is a real concise game that isn’t very long. The implication that it was impossible to remake normally pissed me off forever

>>712801502 (OP)
People keep dumpstering them by making turn based RPGs that everyone loves and they keep doubling down that nobody wants turn based RPGs anymore.

>>712833094
Agreed. All criticism of 7R is just so unfair. People say good things about other games, but then bad things about 7R. Why is this?

>>712834250
that's because they are modern gamedev and can only think in term of highest production value possible, they cannot fathom not having every area being a fully featured hub with 8k textures, 1 trillion unique polygons to plaster in every advertisement. The 3D environment no longer tells a story but sells a product.

>>712834765
haha he really got you angry again

>>712801502 (OP)
MMO's are fucking gay and trash
also FF15 was dogshit and 16 was OK at best + was on the Nogaems Station 5 which is doing it no favors. When the last real entry of your franchise was on the PS3 and 360 your shit is gonna die

>>712835337
He sure did, wherever he is

>>712835408
>MMO's are fucking gay and trash
14 could have been much more had they not fucked it up with the original release.

common turn BASED win like always

>>712835767
I really need to play FF6.

>>712835984
Do it now!

>>712827327
>Tidus does an hero
kek source or youre full of shit

>>712836509
I tried it before but the game felt super easy and on rails.

FFVII remake is just final fantasy if it Michael Bay. The difference is nobody defense Michael Bay transformers. Some people like it, but only the biggest diehards defend it

>>712834765
>Why is this?
I can only speak for me on this but
1) the entire Time Janny angle is INCREDIBLY gay and also spits in the face of everyone who wanted a faithful remake
2) I don't like the action gameplay
now other people might dislike it for other reasons, but those are mine

>>712836606

>>712835984
currently playing it right now
It's good. Second best game of the pixel remaster (still gets mogged by FF4chads)

>>712832016
the GoT "realism" castles and models with small bands of medieval serfs charging each other on th battlefield only for the most jrpg overdesigned Bahamut to show up and start kaiju battling Ifrit is the most dissonant jarring aesthetic shit I've ever seen.

Why are japs like this.

>>712801502 (OP)
And yet here YOU are making another thread about it

>>712801502 (OP)
No new content and the last two games sucked dick

>>712816864
Old game devs are like old movie directors, they can't make good art anymore. I dunno why that is, but it's just shit. Fantasian also has the ugliest style I've ever seen with the diorama shit.

>>712801502 (OP)
You say nobody cares about final fantasy anymore and yet here you are making a thread about it where you and hundreds of other posters make fun of it

>>712801612
Lots of sales doesn't really mean a lot when it cost so much to make.

>>712815429
>Then XIII came out and is literally the very worst Final Fantasy game of all time
haven't played it yet but I'd be shocked if it's worse than 5

>>712832649
>Story yes, but idk why ff7rebirth gets mocked for “bloated” content when shoving in a bunch of random shit that isn’t necessarily fun is a jrpg staple.
Rebirth gets mocked for it because it is 1/3rd of a narrative. When I play Y7, it has a bunch of bloated bullshit as all Yakuza games do, but I can come out of the game saying it is a full narrative. A shame about the mess that is Yakuza 8 but I digress. The problem with FFVII Remake is 2-fold

1. It is a remake of an old game. From the standpoint of remakes, this is an embarrassment. One of the most common mocking points of Rebirth is that they can stick in all this garbage content, but they wont let you play as every character when you are 2/3rds of the way through your trilogy, which is insane.

2. The filler content gets in the way of the narrative more than half the time. The game drags its ass on literally every scene imaginable. While some scenes in the original could have most definitely used more time, the Bigger = Better approach is very easily mocked, when again, you have 2/3rds of a game. Even when you are doing filler, there is FILLER interrupting you from doing your filler (chadley)

The most well received games of the year, decade, or even all time, have more often than not, felt like complete experiences. The reason WHY E33 gets heaps of praise despite a lot of filler and generally the plot threads kind of falling to pieces in act 3, is that in spite of its flaws, it feels like a complete experience, and the game gives you hardly any interruptions at all trying to do said content. Personally I think E33 is very overrated from a group of absolutely starved gamers looking for anything decent in a sea of general shit, but I can at least see why people like the game.

>>712831937
>>712827597
I remember Nomura saying he was making multiple paths for every section of the game with unique scenes and events for each one so that every playthrough could be a little different. He used the opening section of the invasion as an example where you could take a bridge to escape that would be hit by a falling airship and cause some encounter, or take the street below it which would lead to a different event and fight instead

>>712801502 (OP)
Barry told everyone it was reddit fantasy and made it flop

>>712837651
>Rebirth gets mocked for it because it is 1/3rd of a narrative
not really, its just the second part of a trilogy.

>>712837774
>>Rebirth gets mocked for it because it is 1/3rd of a narrative
>not really, its just the second part of a trilogy.
lmao

>>712837834
Yeah, just like empire strikes back.

>>712801502 (OP)
blonde tifa

>>712837774
This is the kind of cope posting that perfectly illustrates why you're a perfect target for jimbo's hijinks. Which you've been a victim of many, many, many times, as you well know.

>>712837975
???
I assume you think it is not a second part of a trilogy, why is that?

>>712837774
No, its 1/3rd of a narrative. Its like if you were to split Peter Jackson's King Kong in thirds and say all the shit before they even reach skull island is 1/3rd of a trilogy

>>712838045
For the same reason the Hobbit films are mocked.

>>712838059
No, it is just like star wars, a story told in three parts.

>>712837651
>despite a lot of filler
I don't think it has filler, basically everything has a narrative purpose in that game.

>>712838045
not him but because they're remaking 1 (ONE) game
if I remade a game and split it into 3 parts just to sell back to you, most people would rightfully call me a kike for splitting 1 thing into 3 to make money. Which is literally exactly what squenix did but I don't know how to make an analogy as gay as what they did

>>712801502 (OP)
because its nothing like the games people cherished and remember

square lost all of their goodwill with the series and no one gives a shit anymore

>>712838137
No, its like the Hobbit. A short book extended well past its intended length

>>712838285
No, its more like star wars.
The hobbit got extended but it didnt add anything really.
FF7 remake got extended AND added arcs, characterization, and development of the themes of the game, to sustain the 3 games format.

>>712838241
when they took one book and turned it into three hobbit films that was criticized by everyone but I dont think people should criticize 7R for the same thing. I dont think people should criticize 7R at all frankly.

I hate Lord of the Rings for the same reason, I watched Fellowship of the Ring, but they had the gall to make two more movies after and expect me to watch them to get the full narrative experience. Jewish is what it is.

>>712801502 (OP)
They threw away their identity to chase after zoomers with Game of Thrones and DMC combat.

>>712838375
>The hobbit got extended but it didnt add anything really.
God you really will spout absolutely anything to dismiss any 7R criticism won't you

>>712838375
>The hobbit got extended but it didnt add anything really.
yeah, that's why the analogy fits so well

>>712838130
The Gobbit is mocked for adding shit to stretch the story into 3 movies. Is that what you're complaining about?

Criticize the remake trilogy in any way and me and my associate will explain why you're wrong. Give us your best shot.

>>712838607
time jannies are gay

>>712838375
>FF7 remake got extended AND added arcs, characterization, and development
You can do that without making it 3 games, pretty easily in fact. Even the fucking Resident Evil games can do that without grossly extending their run time.

>>712838568
FF7 remake added a lot, actually. Much needed characterization, world building, not rushing events and proper plotting. Plus, zack being actually part of the narrative in back unlike the og where he was hamfisted in because they changed their mind on Cloud not being real and just an offspring of sephiroth, and they quickly included Zack just to tie knots.

>>712838375
So brother do you want to handle this joker >>712838690 or should I?

>>712802156
I always disliked how she was mega ashy on the cover of her game. Like, this level of dryness is unacceptable. Why would they even model this? Oil those dry sticks up! Lotion, girl. The fact Lightning is *just* the writer's waifu is also incredibly abhorrent. He self-inserts as the kid with white hair who is just insisted upon the narrative and Snow, despite being the character with the greatest intrigue, gets constantly denigrated by Lightning which just isn't fun to witness. Final Fantasy was already losing me with 12. I didn't even finish 13-2. Played like a half hours worth of content of 13-3 then never picked up a new FF title again until FF16 which was basically what I always wanted as a kid. "Wow! I get to play as the summons! Everything looks like a cutscene! How cool!"

And now I don't need anything from the series anymore.

>Not a single good game in 25 years
>>>712801502 (OP)
WHY DOES NO ONE CARE ABOUT FINAL FANTASY ANYMORE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!

>>712838762
you didn't explain how I was wrong, so I'm going to call you a fag and assume I won

>>712838762
you were gonna do it yourself anyway so do it

>>712838741
>not rushing events
That's certainly true

>>712801612
>Sales
KEK
>Awards
The chigger who directed it literally retweets every single mention of the game and calls it an award

>>712838741
>g. Plus, zack being actually part of the narrative in back unlike the og where he was hamfisted in because they changed their mind on Cloud not being real and just an offspring of sephiroth, and they quickly included Zack just to tie knots.
Is the alternative dimension scenes apart of that too? Was Sephiroth supposed to travel through space time in the original game?

>>712801502 (OP)
a big final fantasy game hasnt come out in like 2 years. what do you want to talk about? i enjoyed 16 and remake/rebirth

>>712838690
>>712838762
>>712838838

>>712838852
But I don't have a good defence of the jannies. Unless you do we might have to call it a valid criticism. Are you ok with that?

The people in charge of writing the stories and directing gameplay trends are misguided autists. They get carried by their visual and musical employees.

The series did absolutely nothing of note during the 7th gen besides the retarded 13 trilogy and then the 8th gen had the FF7 remakes which decided splitting it into 3 games with anime autism stuff would be a good idea and killed all interest with normalfags. 16 was a huge opportunity to bring back interest but completely fucked it up by failing to be either an appeal action game or RPG. The world was also really bland and didn't feel like FF outside of the use of the summons being fantastic.
The people running the show have absolutely no idea what made FF popular even with normal people and instead want to invest in capturing a market that doesn't really exist anymore. All the normalfags I know love FF6 through 12 but haven't played any of the FF games since the actual PS2 era and they have no idea how to recapture that.

Honestly if I wanted to play games that felt incomplete and were full to the brim with padding id just start playing Kiseki games again

>>712803391
God, I know the development environment was different for the PS1 but I still can't get over just how many games Square was pumping out. And not even just their bread and butter stuff either they got experimental as fuck. Now it takes a decade to get one flag ship title. How depressing is that. I don't want a yearly flood either but Jesus Christ

>>712839012
>Is the alternative dimension scenes apart of that too?
The dream worlds? yeah of course
One aspect is how Cloud ptsd is adjusting as time passes. When Cloud hears zack name for the first time, his mind blocks it completely. When he starts to recollect his past in Kalm, he starts to piece stuff together and get used to it. In Gongaga, he finally can hear the name Zack again but the identity is still blocked. When hes in nibelheim, he manages to remember some aspects of Zack but remembers a whole fake memory of Zack being the soldier that drowned, fuelling his delusions even further.
None of this was in the original and it is very telling on how careful the devs were in re-teling all of this. Cloud fake memory is adjusting to what he sees/learns, the very same that happens before the events of FF7 when Jenova cells heals Cloud mind by creating a whole new identity to get him up, based on zack repressed memories, tifa memories and cloud delusions/wishes.

>Was Sephiroth supposed to travel through space time in the original game?
No time travel, of course.

Were you guys around for ff13 and its sequels? I think the games after it were also not great but the 13 trilogy did permanent damage in particular, it felt like people stopped taking ff serious at all after those games.

>>712837878
it would be like empire strikes back if "Star wars" was a single movie that released that told the entire story and then they came out decades later to expand on it and split it up and shove in a bunch of retarded shit dragging it all down

>>712839012
>alternative dimension scenes
They're dream worlds

>>712839479
Yeah I can talk regular people and they'll all say stuff about how good FF7, 8, 9, or 10 were when they were growing up, maybe even 12, but absolutely nobody but diehard FF autists played 13 and beyond. MAYBE 15 but that game left absolutely no lasting impression on people.

>>712837878
>it's like the empire strikes back if a new hope, empire strikes back, and return of the jedi was 1 whole movie but in an effort to get more money split them up into 3 separate parts and added in 4 minutes of Luke grocery shopping and finding a cat stuck in a tree! Same thing!
yeah ya know what? if that was true, then I'd also make fun of star wars

>>712839757
>added in 4 minutes of Luke grocery shopping and finding a cat stuck in a tree!
45 minutes

>>712832474
>Graphics can finally represent the games art
>Game art goes from beautiful Amano fantasy to generic k-pop faggotry
I will never not be upset by this

>>712839757
>then I'd also make fun of star wars
Yeah, you and millions back then that also hated empire strikes back as well for being "incomplete", how shitty the ending was and how the characters barely changed. Sound familiar?
It tooks years for people to finally start calling empire strikes back the masterpiece it is, i guess back in the day (same as now), people dont know what a trilogy is.

>>712839943
Yes anon decades from now millions will call rebirth a flawless masterpiece and everyone who ever criticized it will be begging for forgiveness and look like fools to the world

>>712839943
>Yeah, you and millions back then that also hated empire strikes back as well for being "incomplete"
actually empire strikes back is my second favorite of the trilogy, I liked how Luke lost to Vader and it was a good set up to episode 6
>people don't know what a trilogy is
I know what it is, but splitting 1 thing into 3 isn't my traditional view of a trilogy

>>712840103
>actually empire strikes back is my second favorite of the trilogy
obviously, now.
Back in the day? not so much. It was criticized a lot.

I will say whatever it takes to render your criticisms of 7R moot. This is my whole life.

>>712836524
newfag

>>712801502 (OP)
>No one seem to care about Final Fantasy anymore, why?
I honestly can't deal with the stutters.
I have a 5600x and RX9070XT.

>>712840332
Switch 2 will solve this

>>712840175
>Back in the day? not so much
I was -2, so I was more focused on being in my dads nutsack
and once again, you're using a trilogy designed to be a trilogy to explain a trilogy instead of 1 game split into 3 with retarded changes and filler

>>712801502 (OP)
Final Fantasy is great and we also just had a Magic/Final Fantasy crossover. Are you literally that tone deaf?

>>712801502 (OP)
Considering how much people seethe about Square Enix's poor decision making and obsession with propping up competitors like E33, people seem to care a whole lot about FF actually.

No good games since X, last masterpiece was IX.

>>712840332
You also need an NVMe SSD, dumb ass.

>>712801612
all these angry replies and the best they could come back with was "Nuh Uh"

>>712840458
MTG is a meme game but I got the 4 crystal and the darkness crystal showcase arts. They're cool as fuck

>>712840452
the ff7 trilogy is designed to be a trilogy. It was envisioned as such, Nomura said so.
Then kitase said that maybe they could do it in two, but it was designed as a trilogy.

>>712840535
Who doesn't have that in 2025?

>>712840332
>5600X
Found you're problem, upgrade to a 5800x3d

>>712801612
>Weren't the FF7 remakes a huge success with a lot of sales and awards?
Yeah. Of course.

Square Enix haters gonna hate. :)

>>712840503
I still have my original X Piggyback guide from 2002.

>>712840594
I think if I upgrade it will be when the next amd cpu comes out and then ill change the whole board.
But its lame that every other game I play is fine.

>>712840735
Post the games budget

>>712840735
How do I learn to be okay with that though? Right now I spend hours a day trying to counter the haters in any way I can. How do I escape this shitty fate and be like you, who doesn't care at all and doesn't waste their time like me?

>>712801502 (OP)
Speaking as a nu ff7 player I enjoyed it but wanting me to revv up the give a fuck engine every four-five years for a chopped up story is a big ask.
>>712801612
>2 remakes barely scraping together the cumulative amount of og's sales
lol, lmao even

>>712840220
Why? If you enjoyed Remake/Birth then that's all that matters. Why waste your time trying to convince people to like something that they don't

>>712840880

>>712840852
That cpu is bottlenecking your gpu, and the ram being ddr4 is probably adding fuel to the fire.
Your best bet would be getting at least an X800X3D in the next release since it would hold much better than an X600 CPU.

>>712841051
You're underestimating how insecure and overdefensive I am.
I'll give you an example. Criticize 7R in any way you want and watch what I do.

>>712839430
>development environment was different for the PS1
it could have been continued for another 20 years without wokeness

>>712841087
SE already made a profit within the first few days.

>>712801502 (OP)
They're making FF17.

>>712840332
>high-end GPU
>low-end CPU
Weird combination.

>>712841227
Okay. Well as a big fan of both games, I didn't enjoy some of the level design in Remake. Mostly fixed in Rebirth though

>>712840332
I have also have a Radeon RX 9070 XT, but paired with a Ryzen 9 5900X. The game runs great for me.

>>712823387
>16 had no fucking party,
Which I will never not find strange. Why not just use the FF7 combat engine. It wouldn't fix all the games problem but letting the player switch up from Clive to play Jill or the dog could have been at least fun

>>712841543
You did my work for me. You stated a criticism and then explained why it's not a problem. AND you made clear you're a big fan.
Can you give me something a little more challenging? I know thinking of a criticism of these games is very difficult, but try.

>>712841543
Stop, dont criticize it no more or im gonna...im gonna...! Ugh...please...

>>712841838
Don't worry, I won't. That's as critical as I was willing to do. And even that hurt to do.

>>712801502 (OP)
I liked exp33 but i liked the 10/10 rebirth even more.

>>712841630
It was really stupid to give Clive all of the powers when they could have easily done a party. Switch to Jill to use Shiva moveset, switch to Cid for Ramuh etc etc

>>712841990
>>712841630
it would require to completely change the story, you know

>>712842052
So make the story better. EZPZ

>>712823789
ps3/x360 was the worst generation for japanese devs, AAA budgets skyrocketed and in that ecosystem americans took the lead (they had the soulless manpower, infinite money and internet space to spread their corruption, american xbox had huge initial lead over japanese playstation and westoids were a bit lucky thanks largely to xbox popularizing genres among underage normie retards which were also their expertise, mainly first person shooters and other dude bro shooters, this is a period where snoys pivoted hard to bottom tier kusoge like killzone, uncharted, resistance, infamous...) while many japanese gaming companies were not willing to take that monetary risk or thought they couldn't compete with west. in that period those willing to take the risk and try fighting failed because instead of offering the antidote (like fromsoft with demon's souls) they fully embraced the slop state of mind so capcom made the worst resident evil game (re6 which played more like call of duty than survival horror), konami/kojima made the absolute worst metal gear solid game (bloated self fellating nonsense with long super expensive cutscenes), square enix made the absolute worst final fantasy (extremely detailed linear corridors with retarded and convoluted anime plot and garbage tropes). they mostly fucked themselves over by wasting time with new engine, also developing for ps3 was a nightmare. luckily we did get one last good final fantasy during that shitty generation and ironically it was an xbox 360 exclusive which sold poorly because during that time only shooters sold well. square enix went to shit when uematsu and sakaguchi left, their corporate structure wasn't able to produce a single good and memorable game since ff12, constantly chasing ever more retarded trends and completely abandoning their jrpg legacy. they even managed to fuck up the impossible, their money printer aka ff7 remake by introducing multiverses, splitting game into sequels and abandoning ATB.

>>712842052
well why the fuck did they have the characters split up every 10 minutes

>>712839909
>K-pop
>instead of J-rock
How i know you are a child

>>712840735
>85%+ KINO
>sells 7m ez
>sub 70% garbage
>still no 2m sales
Maybe copying Ubisoft and adding 100s of gay minorities wasn't the strategy after all.

>>712842052
Perhaps but given the party more chance to be one really should only improve things. It's not like we're looking at something that couldn't use improvements in itself. Though I guess the romance was still better than Noctis and Lunawhatever

it aint what it used to be
I'll never buy or play the ff7 remakes even though I remember being so hyped when it was announced when I was in my 20s
I guess it has been on a downward spiral since 10 though. Ever since they moved away from having overworlds that were a, what's the word... a simulated open world? it feels like its nothing but spectacle.
I really, really miss overworlds in jrpgs

>>712842367
It is just brownoids seething, because they can't run the game properly on their poor fag GPU and HDD.

>>712841990
I know people are divided on the Ys party based games but I enjoy them and having to swap characters to meet the needs of whatever enemy you're facing keeps thing interesting. They easily could have done something like this with a more elemental flavor.

>>712842670
Looks like most people run it fine and find it to be boring, bloated, and disrespectful to the 1997 masterpiece.

>>712801502 (OP)
Because all the games they keep making are shit
>Remake FF7, a game that is worshipped like a fucking religion and tops like 50%+ of every Best Games Ever list for the past quarter century
>Make it absolute dogshit

I played FFX for the first time ever on a PS2 last week, I enjoyed it a lot.
Tidus and Yuna is the best romance in the series, though I expect FFX-2 will cheapen it in some way even though I'm only 10ish hours in.

>>712842546
The games are pure headaches and tedium. Anything small fun or cute the old game did they have to turn into a massive over the top spectacle. Everything just eventually drowns itself in over indulge. The games are padded out the ass. The older games despite being technically more limited still feel not only more complete but in terms of presentation they just feel bigger.

>>712801502 (OP)
What do you mean? 400 people ITT are calling FF shit. If that's not cultural relevance, what is?

>>712843216
Man, thats pretty sad. I guess people have no taste these days.

>>712843216
For every one performance complaint there is 10 people saying it's boring.

>>712801502 (OP)
Arr rook same

Just page after page of people shitting on it for many reasons that aren't performance related. Probably all Barry alt accounts though.

>>712802156
Lightning is a Goddess

>>712842112
>DIE sourress american xbox!

>>712843696
the quality of steam reviews
holy shit
im losing IQ as i read this shit

>>712802230
Given how much of a creator waifu she is I think that's just what her creator is into

>>712807546
Lets see if Stellar Blade can give a third punch to Square if KH4 turns out to be shit

There hasn't been a noteworthy FF game released after X

>>712801562
This also

>>712843781
it died without any voodoo magic lmao, and if you seriously look back over the years every bad jewish money grabbing thing that eventually became industry practice originated from pajeetsoft.

>>712842367
People have completely forgotten about Remake also running like dogshit unless you fucked with the ini or ran it in DX 11 mode IIRC. Remake was just good enough to overcome all the headache where Rebirth is just trash and not worth it.

>>712824525
hahaha LOL that so funny hahah LOOOOOOL take my upvote!

>>712844030
thats weird, it runs flawlessly for me, see >>712841957
maybe you need to learn how to build PCs?

>>712827045
Nomura didn't want as many changes as Kitase but he still wanted a lot of changes. He's the director in charge of the fucking story of Remake, Kojima writes around his direction

>>712832204
Lel

>>712802156
>>712838803
>>712843702
armpit queen

Why in the everloving fuck Square is so fucking allergic to making proper turn based Final fantasy X showed how you can still make proper deep easy and yet hard fight system with best progression in the series. And for over 20 years its constantly push for "wider audience" trying to force action combat to the point of making FF into DMC... And the next FF will have action parry/dodge reaction bullshit because of course it will...

>>712842367
>73% recent
kek what a piece of shit

>>712843578
>take inspiration from exp33
This shit is so depressing, man
They are gonna ruin part 3 by listening to these retards
Maybe i should just quit videogames all together, the only developer that actually does something interesting is gonna bend over

>>712801502 (OP)
People realized that every FFag has never play FF. Plus, FFags are CRTfags. They try to scam people with obsolete tech.
>Mira Tyrone, este televisor de tubo es perfecto para jugar al Final Fantasy VII, solo te costara 1000 dolares.

>>712844251
I can't help but feel like Square feels like they need to be weird on purpose. You can't just have some evil wizard or empire to take down anymore. Everything needs to be some retarded question of reality and dreams and timelines or whatever the fuck bullshit Nomura's on about.

>>712843379
Its incredible how every time someone mentions X its "I had great time with X" and every time its about VII its always "its the best, dont you dare speak bad about it! Tifa has tits!"

>>712801502 (OP)
Because Square Enix got extremely corporate, they have 0 soul left, it's just old boomers chasing trends and banking on nostalgia. They are also extremely insecure about themselves and want to be like a top western studio while being the biggest weebs on the planet at their core which has been messing their game development and ideas for a long time.
Also that's how they operate, it's basically their policy, spread thin the budget and workers between many projects, pray for one or some to do well, and the exploit it until the cow is completely dry and people don't care anymore, that's where FF is and shortly it will happen to KH too if it hasn't already.
Even if Square had an Elden Ring kind of success with a new game for example, they would burn it to the ground in record time, they are a lost cause.

>>712831609
Ff14 mogstation paypigs keep this company afloat

>>712844394
>CRT
>obsolete tech
still superior over oled burn in tech

>>712802156
The Lightning stuff sucked, but people hadn't given up yet. FF15 got a ton of hype and sales. Somewhere between FF15 being bad and FF7R being announced as episodic is when people finally gave up.

>>712801502 (OP)
Soulless corporate garbage like >>712844507 said. Instead of recognizing that the games are trash they will just port it to Nintendo and think think the tendies will save their dead franchise.

>>712802156
>>712838803
>>712843702
>>712844179

>>712844072
Chadditors WON!

>>712842112
Infamous has soul my dude. Even the tech demo that is Second Son has soul. Sadly Sucker Punch canned it for Soulless of Tsushima which is a true by the books game with bamham adjacent tier combat.

MGS4 was Kojima's revenge on fans for posting death threats telling him they will kill his son and wife if he won't direct MGS4 (he initially wasn't going to and was only co-directing it). You wantu Metar Gearu you dumbu gaijin? We'rr see about that. As for Capcom, they went full retard because of RE4's success. RE5 was already garbage tier but the edgy "dudebro" energy was not because of PS3 or Xbox, it was cultural. No one was pushing it, the markets demanded it. It's really that simple.

>>712844813
I don't know if I should be disgusted or impressed by the flagrant DLC bullshit on display with 15. How the fuck anyone thought that was a good idea at all.

it took fans a long time to finally understand that FF died with Squaresoft and that Square Enix is just a soulless corporate machine that fails to create anything on that same level.

>>712844841

>>712801502 (OP)
Square Enix decided to go the WRPG route instead of JRPG

>>712845568
warpigs stomped and smashed the jarpigs in a stampede, seethe.

>>712844072
It's a line from the game, favella-kun.

>>712801502 (OP)
>shallow world building
>there's no build up to conflict, everything is sporadic
>its tries so hard to be introspected and forgets that its a video game and not a novel

>>712845924
yeah

>>712801502 (OP)
The FF MtG card sales say different

>>712844824
Bravely Default is raping Remake on the eShop. Nobody cares about Demake slop.

its sad when i think about.
FF7 is a classic and people begged for a remake for many gens
This remake when all is said and done will just be forgotten about. This was supposed to sell systems alone

>>712801502 (OP)
I'm a total fag for FF7 and rebirth bored me, still haven't finished it.
Seeing some of the random side girls all modern up was great but overall not enough to keep me playing. The squad commander (that whole section really) and Ester was good shit though

>>712801612
Should've been a PS3 game, and a 1 to 1 remake.

>>712846101
Genius Occidental Creatives create a speculative creature although heavily antropomorphised very well differentiated as a new species and the feline attributes are undeniable

Crapanese hacks:
>Oh ho ho I rike u to goonu ugu makeu pletty rady and add playboy bunny tier ears and maybe tails costume level shit

>>712841729
>I know thinking of a criticism of these games is very difficult, but try.
Uhh... time jannies? Yeah fuck the time jannies

>>712846692
>Explains the differences and why it's not a 1 to 1 remake
See? See? You see?

>>712846691
go away, gay

>>712802347
10 was already quite shitty, though given the ungodly hideous garbage that followed, I'll up my rating of it to almost barely near-ok.

>>712848842
what are your problems with X?

>>712845228
>MGS4 was Kojima's revenge on fans
I know this story and I don't buy into it. he is a master bullshitter, he enjoyed every minute of mgs4 creative process. at that time he was also obsessed with call of duty, trying to create even bigger spectacle with expensive cutscenes that could barely fit onto a dual layer blu ray disc. mgs 4 is a fun game, I'd give him that but as a fan of the series I also find it insulting.
>As for Capcom, they went full retard because of RE4's success. RE5 was already garbage tier but the edgy "dudebro" energy was not because of PS3 or Xbox, it was cultural. No one was pushing it, the markets demanded it.
somewhat true, I could agree partially about capcom. re5 was even more action packed than 4 and they thought co-op should be a thing which was inline with the culture of that time. that did cost them a lot, it heavily tarnished the reputation of the series and it took them a long time until they found their way back. I disagree about the market demand, they actually did the opposite from what fans wanted, just like square. you also can't dismantle whole genre because there's suddenly a demand for first person shooter with buffed homosexual dudes or something similarly retarded just to push sales and expand fan base, it will always backfire. at that time west had a brilliant and somewhat successful survival horror resident evil clone known as dead space so you can't say all survival horror fans just disappeared. do you think there was a market/cultural demand for resident evil 7 to be a return to form and not another co-op action slop or open world slop? for fans sure but for average normie, fuck no. chasing trends does pay off sometimes like with breath of the wild being open world zelda game but in this case nintendo made sure to create a damn fun game old and new fans would equally appreciate. they took the shitty western ubislop/horizon approach to open world design and turned it upside down.

>Final Fantasy is dead
>Dragon Quest was the better series
>XII is in dev hell, moreso than any other DQ title
Personal theory, the Square side is intentionally prolonging and sabotaging XII so FF can look better on paper. XI being the success it was probably chafed some of the suits' asses who prefer Final Fantasy.
Doesn't help that two-thirds of Dragon Quest died within a relatively short time. If XII does release, that's the swan song for the franchise.

>>712813124
>Anon FF7 remake and Rebirth two games which are using the supposed great name of FF7 (according to oldfags who never the shut fuck up about how amazing ff7 is) the supposed masterpiece of SE.
I'm not sure what point you think you are making but FF7R shits all over the name FF7.

>>712849134
It's the same thing with MGSV, pseuds will tell you that the game is a metaphor for how Kojima felt working at Konami or whatever, and that's why it's half a game and has almost no story and doesn't matter to the canon at all, but really it sucks because was Kojima spending too much time mo-capping shit, scribbling down notes about the Silent Hill game he actually wanted to make (obviously he was perfectly happy to continue working with Konami relatively close to the point where he left because of this) and he turned the game into a money sink and the pachinko executives weren't happy with him anymore.

>Let's make FF7 look identical to western ubislop
>gets lost in a sea of western slop that all looks the same so it doesn't stand out

FF lacks an identity now.

>>712823789
>another trailer for versus 13 only to change the logo at the end to 15 and everyone in the room clapped
I never understood that. Verses 13 or 15 what difference does it make and why would you clap?

>>712846256
based

>>712801502 (OP)
Because it was shilled for a year and not a single gameplay clip was posted.

>>712848914
Shitty twink MC, chars felt bland and couldn't get invested in them, muh blitzball, my forgettable plot about killing Sin or whatever, I remember even more of VIII despite it being quite underwhelming, muh dad issues. But woow cool graphics (for the time).
All of you kids that love X just happened to play it when you were in the 13-15 yo range, simple as that.
It is not terrible, mind you. Just noticeably worse than all the previous FFs.

>>712801502 (OP)
Because it's going to be a decade until the next one

>>712849587
oh my fucking reddits you just want a cringe fucking animes bullshit weeaboo sailor moon ranma style girly isekai slop

>>712849134
>I know this story and I don't buy into it. he is a master bullshitter, he enjoyed every minute of mgs4 creative process.
The story may be bullshit but I believe it. The reason why I believe it is simple. There is not a nanometer of MGS4's lore that is not trying to make everything amazing in the entire franchise as awful, shallow, fan service as possible. It shows clear, intentional destruction of the entire ethos. It's way too deliberate and way too perfect and total in its scope in my view.

As for Capcom, what I meant by the dudebro market demand was more aimed at the general energy of games. Even something like Spyro had to be cool and edgy for no reason at all. The corporations, in their retarded wisdom thought that everything needs to be like that. If you were a kid growing on the internet in 2007, the internet was still a new uncharted territory. It wasn't a normie land like today, it was for the PC community by the PC community, you had to have a PC to be there and the culture was rebellious, creative for the sake of creativity, and edgy as fuck. There was still awe and naivety mixed with hard edginess in it. And by the way, Dead Space didn't make any money to EA in the end because they put too much money into the sequel and the abomination that is DS3.

>>712849874
>Shitty twink MC
Tidus is a based pro sports athlete who constantly sees through the bullshit of the post-apocalypse world and even when he finds out he isn't real or whatever he still gives 100% to help out the new friends he made
he finds out his waifu has to die and then fights girl jesus to make that not happen
All your other complaints tell me you played the game when you were 12 and couldn't relate to the friendship stuff lmao
I also played it for the first time last week, and I was surprised to see all the complains I'd heard for 25 years that kept me away (like the bullshit you're selling) wasn't accurate at all
Tidus is one of the best protagonists in the franchise and Yuna is in the top 3 of best girls

>>712831609
The atrophied and wretched hasbro dragging the final fantasy ip's bloated corpse uphill.

>>712850179
Man, that sure hurt you. Keep buttblasted, tastelet kiddo.

they should have given people what they asked for (the original game with HD grapichs) and not this multiverse slob.

>>712833321
It's a good OST, but it's just not in the same league.

>>712849379
only an idiot foreigner would think they would do anything to Dragon Quest except make it as perfect as they possibly can. The spin offs can be garbage, but the mainline games are legit Japanese culture and are sacred.

>>712850321
not an argument
you're just incorrect
let me guess, you also think tidus whines about food all the time even though he does that like 4 times at the beginning of the game and then never again

>>712850321
Why are you so ashamed of your original point that you respond with cope instead of a simple argument like Just because you have daddy issues doesn't mean I do. That would still make you look like a bitch but atleast not like someone who got shit on.

>>712801562
This
They went from old fantasy and scifi and cyberpunk to this nuFantasy military lamp shit from 11 on and it's hideous and soulless compared to the oldies
Plus they refuse to make a four niggas in a row game and the new combat sucks dick

>>712849874
Yuna is a genuinely great character. She embodies the submissive, soft spoken, humble feminine perfection that old societies venerated, but has a resolve of iron.
>daughter of a famous man who saved the world, and has to live up to his ideals and do the same thing
>goes down that path willingly, cheerfully, knowing full well she will die
>does it anyway because its the right thing to do to bring peace to the world
>is a popular figure and religious leader in her own right
>learns her religion lies like crazy
>the only way to stop the evil is basically to consort with it
>defies it, throws off her religion, becomes a heretic and enemy of the state
>chooses her allies based on their ability and who is right, not who is chosen for her
>ends up genuinely saving the world and ridding it of the evil once and for all
Yuna is probably the best final fantasy character. Anyone who calls her boring just doesn't understand her.
X-2 is a different story.

>>712850426
You're worshipping Japanese version of FIFA/CoD. DQ is normalfag slop

>>712846691
Based

>>712847174
Cringe

>>712801609
>smaller boobs
>and bratty
She needs correcting

>>712802464
kys

>>712850851
She's a cute sacrificial lamb who doesn't really want to die but has the resolve to, you didn't need to write all that, it's a trope. She's good but not that special. Lots of characters like that, even in FF itself. Aerith ends up being like that too.

>>712851151
aerith never tries to seduce corneo in an effort to murder him, she just becomes a hooker and hopes it works out
yuna at least agrees to marry a chaste religious cuck knowing nothing will happen before the wedding night and plans to murder his otherwise immortal soul permanently before anything can happen

>>712850426
Anon, you really underestimate Square (Keyword, not Enix) and the level of dumb shit they've done and even said.

>>712846256
you cant even preorder remake yet you dunce

>>712801612
Rebirth sold so poorly SquareEnix vowed to never make their games exclusive to one console ever again.

>>712850349
>multiverse

>>712844824
>ff crawling back to tendies to beg for help after pc chads shunned their woke garbage
kek pathetic

stop posting and get back to mastering mini games

>>712843216
Someone tell Avis that he has no right to complain with taste that shit.

>>712849874
I didn't like FFX either but all my friends who played it loved it and is still one of their top fav games to this date but it was also like the first time they ever even played a Jrpg. At the time there weren't many cinematic games with great graphics like this, MGS2 wasn't out yet.

So when you think about it FFX by 2001 standards was a mighty impressive and unique looking game to normies and people whose gaming background was mostly platformers like Mario. But if you already had experience with Jrpg's before then it wasn't really that big of a deal. FFX was actually big step backwards compared to previous games. They sacrificed so much for the sake of being cinematic.

>>712850091
>It shows clear, intentional destruction of the entire ethos. It's way too deliberate and way too perfect and total in its scope in my view.
decision to make mgs2 sequel and the final mgs game that will ultimately answer all unanswered questions "fans" ever wanted to know was doomed from the start. mgs2 was already too ludo and too postmodern to be taken at face value but it made perfect sense considering its story. if you would put yourself into his shoes and try answering these questions "where do I go from here?", "how do I tie all the lose ends?", "how would the ultimate ending look like?" I don't think you or anybody else would be able to make a better game without relying on copouts like nanomachines, retcons, making snake into a dying old man etc. my take here is that it's impossible to design the final mgs game, which answers everything lore related and is also a faithful mgs2 sequel that at the same time makes sense. I don't think he approached this impossible task with any malice or ill will, instead he put a lot of love and attention into every detail, there was a cool shadow moses chapter, he put a lot of effort into characters and dialogues, he made the best action sequence in his career, ending was emotional even if it is retarded... also I find it very interesting how he chose the main theme of the game to be SENSE, in a game which plot is total nanomachines nonsense, it's like he knew he was set to do the impossible task, destined to fail in the eyer of real fans but he did the best he could with joy and full creative freedom. the japanese word for "war" is pronounced "sensō".

The primary theme of Metal Gear Solid 4 is "Sense", which refers to an individual's understanding of the world and their place within it, and how this understanding is affected by death, trauma, and the passage of time. The game explores how this "sense" can be lost, misunderstood, or manipulated

>>712852350
first of all, there were no questions that needed answering after 2, it was all spelled out there
then introducing the "patriots" in 3 but then also basically explaining why they became anti national government in the same game also left nothing unanswered
meanwhile it also gave a more concrete reason for why Big Boss would eventually become a "villain" than anything in MG1 or MG2
nothing needed to be explained, anything confusing after MGS4 was shit that was introduced within that game

>>712850091
to add one more thing for me old internet died when youtube, facebook and twitter became a thing. smartphones were the final nail.

>>712852524
but "fans" wanted to know what happend to raiden, ocelot, otacon, meryl... they wanted answers about fox die, GW AI, patriots and other retarded stuff.

>>712852350
He could have done all that without making Snake an old man who has like 2 weeks left to live at the end of the game.

>>712853237
then he would have to make another sequel.

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>>712840594
You'll never hit a CPU bottleneck at 1440p unless you're playing fortnite.

>>712815252
I genuinely think its unironically horrible.
idk why but FF cannot be fun anymore with well written characters. I guess they never were except for tactics, but I played every single FF and its a slog now. I did enjoy 7 remake because it didnt overstay its welcome but rebirth just shows how fucking horrible this series is.
I mean, RED FUCKING XIII. The dude has a wise old man aura and voice that fits him until the 'big reveal' and he changes to a faggot 12 year olds voice and mannerisms. I mean, I get it, but back in the OG it was not that jarring, it felt more like a moment of vulnerability, not "Hey this is an actual child pretending to act and sound like a 45 year old war veteran"
It's just so fucking stupid, it's stupid all the way down. Barret is the only good part of the remakes. Tifa and Aerith seem so fucking bored and boring compared to the OG too.

>>712852350
There is no reason to try to answer anything. MGS2 ended perfectly and trying to answer anything would only weaken it. There was no need to go anywhere other than MGS3 (a prequel).
>I don't think he approached this impossible task with any malice or ill will
But you must admit MGS4 is too perfect in its execution of total lore destruction. It's hard to explain why and it's so thorough that simple "it was an accident" doesn't work. Also you can see clearly when Kojima does something bad on purpose in MGS2 too. You start with tanker, which is perfect, the dream sequel everyone wanted. And then you go to plant, which has boring overexposition, which is intentionally placed there to tell its entire metanarrative story. MGSV continues the MGS4 destruction as well.

When I compare it with Death Stranding, it's like night and day clear to me. Death Stranding does have "he needs a tard wrangler" moments and overly long cutscenes with way too much "did you get it?" on the nose stuff, but it's never creatively destructive of itself like MGS4 and MGSV. Yes Heartman has a heart in the shape of symbolic heart, sunglasses in the shape of heart, and lives on a lake in the shape of heart, it's the someone bring the wrangler stuff, but his story is actually interesting and deepens the overall narrative and Sam's journey + mechanically getting to him is interesting. Maybe it was really just an accident and Kojima wanted to make good MGS4 and MGSV but it's just too perfect to me to be coincidental.

>>712801502 (OP)
Square Enix sucks and can't make anything worth a damn.

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>>712854060
ok fair point. do you think death stranding 2 will be destructive? (no ropes, only sticks)