Thread 713693936

Do they think this is actually a good strategy to get people to sign it?

Yes

hyping this boogieman up hasn't worked so far. /v/ should've spend more time canvassing and less time stewing in anger over 1 (one) eceleb. by revolving everything around him, it's no wonder it fizzled out

>>713693936 (OP)
I signed it.

>>713693936 (OP)
As a matter of fact, it is! Just signed, and I'm not even a gamer, I just want to destroy that faggot's face indeed

Seems reasonable. I went to sign the petition.

>>713693936 (OP)
Look, are you going to sign this petition, or will it be your surviving family members?

>reddit-organized harassment campaign
loving every laugh

>>713693936 (OP)
do you think spamming this shitty thread is?

>>713693936 (OP)
Dude why are people so obsessed with this guy i was playing new world of warcraft servers earlier this year and people ingame were literally talking about how he fucked up in dire maul for days it was so annoying

>>713694175
>and I'm not even a gamer
So why are you here

>>713694436
he's a narcisistic ass who knows shit and when confronted doubles down on his bullshit

>Movement that started with good intentions get later co-opted by another group using it for the wrong reason.
Actually, many such cases. This is usually how a movement dies out in most if not all cases.

pro consumer = communism

>>713693936 (OP)
>have EU citizenship
>no passport (expired, I don't travel)
>no ID (because I don't live there)
this is extremely unfair to expats living abroad

>>713693936 (OP)
see, now that's something I can get behind, stomp faggot furry faces in

>>713694616
>live abroad
>no passport
Are you unironically retarded, or do you just make bad decisions for fun?

>>713694665
he probably has 2 citizenships anon
it's common

>>713693936 (OP)
someone toss me a link, faggots need to be stopped!

>>713693936 (OP)
kek, I would sing for this if I could

>>713694717
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/

>>713694717
funnily enough, i got a warning for posting the link yesterday for "advertising or begging".

thanks a lot jannies
very cool

https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

>>713693936 (OP)
>save a fox foundation founder dead
>mentions (((harassment campaign))). 99% chance headline is unfounded bullshit straight out of a journo's ass to garner clicks without any proof explaining the actual particulars
I hate journos so fucking much

>>713693936 (OP)
i dont think ill sign it i want aaa slop enjoyers to keep getting fucked

>ummm a smug faggot that fucked up a wow raid and is uhhh a furry too
this is so boring why is everybody getting hysterical over it

>>713694875
nah it's actually true for once
sharty even has the deets on the main culprit, it's, who could have guessed it, a fucking tranny

>>713694082
well said, this is absolutely insane behavior dude. i've personally blocked, banned, reported AND documented around 5000 hateful users flooding my socials this week.
*stretches*
welcome to the finding out timeline, hope it was worth it

>>713693936 (OP)
well as a gay furry I can't possibly sign it now after I've been insulted by association

>>713694875
It actually was a "snark" subreddit dedicated to harassing her constantly. Also, that's a form thread, not a news article.

>>713693936 (OP)
>Appeal to the lowest common denominator and just insult people yet will claim you're fighting the good fight.
And this is why people hate "gamers".

>>713695362
>Bullying
>When at most it is correcting his mistakes
What is said on a mongolian basket weaving forum is not indicative of how people talk to him normally.
Besides that, at most I see people using the same level of snark he used on Ross on other social media.

>>713693936 (OP)
Hi jersh, your site sucks and you should have gotten bombed in Ukraine.

>>713694616
hows telaviv?

>>713693936 (OP)
for many, doing something out of spite is a better motivation then doing something because it's good

Really sad that eceleb social media drama is what it took to get modern gamers to care about their own rights.
Even now they probably don't actually care, and are just signing to participate in what they deem popular or to dunk on the other side.

Too little too late
>t. singed it during 2nd week

>>713693936 (OP)
>kiwifags
>do the really think

>>713694436
Hes a guy who runs his mouth without knowing what the fuck hes talking about, and hes a massive prick.
People don't like dickheads who behave like dickheads for zero reason, go figure

>>713693936 (OP)
Depending on context, yeah, definitely. Great for a taiwanese pot sharpening forum, for example. One strategy also doesn't need to exclude others, at least in this case. Good stuff.

>>713694473
Because /v/ isn't a board about video games

>>713693936 (OP)
>saveafox woman an heroed
Damn...

Stop spamming threads

>>713696184
This is the only thread I've posted. Go to bed, Thor.

Is there any government with more cuck energy than the U.K.?

>>713695815
>Even now they probably don't actually care
they definitely care. it's just that society in general doesn't do anything until shit hits the fan, but by then it's too late to act
it's a sad fact of life

>>713696245
The EU also sucks since they are refusing to even LOOK at the initiative until it gets 1 million signatures.

>>713696245
>Those selling games must comply
well that's the rub. (((they))) claim they're not actually selling anything as an excuse not to comply

>>713696032
>>713694175
>>>/pol/

>>713696373
The UK did the same thing though?

>>713695815
It doesn’t matter if the people who sign it care or not. The point is get the thing done. Someone’s German veteran grandpa can sign it for all I care

>>713695362
unironically it would.
Pirate software's death would be made a holiday.

>Nearly 20,000 sigs today
Man, dramaslop works.

>>713696535
Congrats, you've just learned the definition of the word "also"

>>713696308
Then why did these people who care wait until the last month?

>>713693936 (OP)
Some retards are already spamming fake signatures thinking that the EU doesn't verify them.
They do, retards. It's just the system doesn't notify you about it.

>>713693936 (OP)
it worked, i finally got off my butt and signed it

>go to sleep
>wake up
>+15k signatures
Holy shit eurofags you guys are actually doing something for once.

I refuse to sign anything that goes to the European Union

The European Union is a illegitimate tyrannical state that should be destroyed
NATO too
and while we're at it the IAEA

>>713693936 (OP)
why is null seething again and geting involved in this, did pirate insult his cheese?

>>713697184
But the EU is not a state...

>>713696991
>they are refusing to even LOOK at the initiative
Then why write this as if it's something even worse that the EU is doing ESL-kun?

>>713693936 (OP)
The only thing EU can do is regulate US (tech) companies but can produce nothing on their own. Its so pathetic.

>>713697184
Might makes right. You're welcome to try to overthrow them whenever you want.

>>713697291
Keep working wagie, you'll make the product exactly as WE demand it.

>>713697291
how's your car industry burgerfriend?

>>713697559
Look at this webm. The EU is truly evil.

>>713697661
No, that guy's just a moron

Oh shit. The chick from Save a Fox killed herself? I like that channel. I didn't even know. Fuck Reddit man.

>>713697898
The main one who pushed her was a tranny furry who fucks dogs too.

>>713696032
go back to /pol/ with your other leftoid falseflagging friends

>>713694723
No. But abolishment of part of the market is clearly regulation of the the market.

If you're saying the market can adequately regulate itself, as long as there's these two exceptions (that something else has to step in for), I disagree, but fine. That's a real position.

It's funny because idgaf about skg but I hate that faggot pirate's face so much I would sign it just to spite him

>>713697898
>>713698096
stop it. the tranny didn't do shit.
she was unsatisfied with her life in general and felt probably trapped. she talked about getting banged and dined for $100 every other day to now live on a ranch.
i'm not excusing the fag's behavior but he wasn't even the catalyst. she simply had issues

>>713694828
You ARE advertising, you fuck. Bet you assholes don't even know "Not Your Personal Army".

>>713698665
>you ARE advertising
what is he selling
everyone supports initiatives that puts corpos in their place. only babel media poojeets would support games with expiration dates

>>713694436
>famous mage in prestigious guild fucks up and causes death of his companions

Sounds like amazing ingame lore to me

>>713697184
yeah can we overthrow them AFTER this one specific legislation passes? thanks

>>713697661
bro it's staged

Y'all know that the EU will just honor this with a 5-10 minute discussion after which they reiterate that they support an open business environment and don't want to regulate THAT much? Like, they only really desire to regulate if it's about agriculture or extremely widespread consumer stuff. They don't want to regulate small scale things.

Cardposting won

>>713693936 (OP)
Honestly, the more I see about that faggot the more I hate him, he's a complete fraud and a fucking narcissist, and if I'd ever had to say something, is that narcissists deserve to be stoned to death, literally no difference between them and psychopaths.

>>713697082
they just don't know how badly they're getting ripped off by the industry and how easily the industry can take the games they bought away
whenever a game is removed there is a mass outcry. just look at how everyone started bitching when EA wanted to take down sim city. they relented and put out an offline patch for the game
people haven't forgotten about darkspore either

pirate software has nothing to do with the petition but just like the spooky scary jews 4chan act like run the world they need a strawman scapegoat for their failures

>>713693936 (OP)
You could've at least said
>game's villain gives you unexpected aid at a critical moment
Or something

>>713697184
Don't forget about IKEA, comrade

>>713695815
You've just discovered marketing. The initiative could've used it a couple months earlier

>>713700636
>random enemy dies on the other side of the map
>LEVEL UP!

>>713695348
but enough about PirateSoftware

>>>/pol/508781244

Bump the /pol/ thread

The FAQs in SKG just handwave everything away. There are two that are particularly bad, where they just wave away the real, significant, challenge that developers can't just "give away" EOL tool, especially if they contain code / middleware / or other IP that the developers themselves don't actually own.

They bake it all into this nebulous concept that developers will "just figure out," often showcasing that games 20 years ago could be given away at EOL, why not now?

Because game dev has changed immensely in 20 years, despite some parts staying the same.

>>713697291
While I'm normally happy to jump on the bandwagon of hating on the Europeans, if they can actually put a stop to this shit It'd be one of the few good things they've done in the past century.

>>713698665
correct, but that went out the window when the ARMY stole 4chan and we didn't do shit

>>713700140
>small scale things
Small scale? Videogames are a trillion dollar industry.

>>713701769
Yeah, good luck if the game relies on something like AWS.

>>713696991
>until it gets 1 million signatures
>100,000

>>713693936 (OP)
So the guy who looks and acts like every furry ever was a furry?

>>713702874
Good thing these laws are never retroactive, and developers will have plenty of time before we force them to use solutions that don't require their constant maintanance
It costs next to nothing to choose one tech over the other in development

People who made videos about this in the last 2 days
>Asmongold
>Penguinz0
>XQC
>SOmeOrdinaryGamers
Anyone else? It's sad but e-celebs are the most important thing for this movement

>>713694616
Expats shouldn't be allowed to vote in their home countries. You left for a reason, now deal with it.

>>713697291
What do US tech companies produce? Except new ways to fuck over customers and more enshittification or everything, that is.

XQC did a video on SKG. I don't know his stance because I can't listen to that retard.

>>713701776
Why did you edit him to be French in the upper image?

>

>>713698289
>But abolishment of part of the market is clearly regulation of the the market.
The stock market is not part of the market. "The Market" has existed before any stock leeches managed to weasel their way in, and by today the stock market has become its own thing that itself "regulates" (i.e. steers towards more shit) the so-called "free" market. If you don't want a government to influence the free market, you also don't want public trading influencing the free market.

>>713703712
citizens deserve all their rights. fuck you
>you left for a reason
I didn't leave. I was taken

>>713698665
>"Not Your Personal Army".
Nigga this isn't some butthurt teenage faggot calling for doxxing some other teenage faggot.
Of course you teenage faggot wouldn't know about it.
I bet you are that faggot who has been posting retarded personal army calls over some discord bullshit lately.

>>713703932
Anonymity is the kryptonite of farmers. Just don't post PII and they won't care about you.
unless you're a janny lol

>>713704038
>citizens deserve all their rights
Not if they don't live where they vote. Same reason why foreigners shouldn't be allowed to vote. They're foreigners and not citizens.
In fact I would go even further and make voting only possible if, in addition to actually living in the country on your passport you also can't have any more passport, so dual-citizenship fags have to decide whether they want to keep their dual citizenship or be able to vote.

I'm going to say this loud and clear so those in the back can hear this: You do not own your games, you never have, and you never will. You LEASE them, PERIOD. All software works that way and it always has, and it always will.

You deluded yourself and made assumptions. You purchase a hunting license. You purchase a driver's license. You purchase a vehicle registration to bring your vehicle onto public roads. Those are purchases and they do not connotate or convey ownership of anything.

Purchase =/= ownership. That has never been the definition, EVER. Single player games, like ALL software, is a license...that can be revoked at any time.

Sorry you're just wrong. You can purchase a lease or a rental...purchase doesn't mean ownership.

>>713693936 (OP)
I actually enjoy the farms, and it pisses me off how much Null has let women and Europeans influence his site.

>>713700140
You have no real reason to think this, really. The EU has already made several decisions regarding video games, like with loot boxes and refunds

>>713704337
Nah

>>713704337
But I should so I will sign

>>713695210
You are shitposting and seething for nothing, the anon is right. If you spent as much time organising and spreading the word as you seething over this asshole we wouldn't need threads like these.

>>713703932
Why are catniggers like this

>>713704337
Americans do not apply to this discussion, go do fent or some shit
If i buy a book my ownership cannot be revoked.
If i buy a DVD movie my ownership cannot be revoked.
If i buy a NES cartridge my ownership cannot be revoked.
The legislation still hasn't caught up to the digital age, but it's getting there. And once it's done in EU you retards will reap the benefits, so shut the fuck up and go sit in your corner

>>713701769
Nothing prevents modern developers from making games with EOL in mind. It's such a dirty move, to make it sound like it'll be a monumental task that requires arcane knowledge and thousands of hours in the coal mines

>>713704323
>comparing a foreigner, who isn't a national, to someone who lives abroad
mentally deranged
>Not if they don't live where they vote
>so dual-citizenship fags have to decide whether they want to keep their dual citizenship or be able to vote.
you'd also be stripping people merely residing abroad of the ability to vote and leaving them passportless too you stupid faggot

>>713703901
He agreed with SGK and essentially called Thor (PirateSoftware) a retard who didn't understand anything Ross says.
I think he also called him a retard that got baited into responding to a misrepresented comment on what SGK is and jumped to conclusions but I'm not 100% on that part.
Either way he shat on Thor.

>>713705216
>comparing a foreigner, who isn't a national, to someone who lives abroad
Did you know that most foreigners also live abroad?
Anyway, too bad, come back or get fucked.
No wait, just stay away and get fucked, faggot. I will not have anything decided that directly affects me by some retard who doesn't even live here.

Just sign the fucking petition.

>>713693936 (OP)
No. Kiwifarms doesn't have 550k European voters.
The only reason it got a 90k boost recently is due to Penuinz0's - who has an 18m subscriber base - involvement, which begs the question why these people didn't sponsor it to begin with if it was such a big deal in the game community.

>>713703932
He's right.

Even if you steelman PirateFaggot's argument and strawman Ross's in that some of the points SGK made are going too far and would impose unreasonable demands on developers, then his argument STILL doesn't stand for multiple reasons:
The citizen initiative is not a referendum, it simply forces EU to review the initiative. They can and will reject and modify certain parts of it and not simply approve it as is.
There is a power imbalance between developers and customers. Customers are already at the mercy of devs (game doesn't work? lmao we might or might not fix it) and even if the initiative is somewhat unfair to devs, it is correcting an already existing power dynamic.
So even if you take the strongest interpretation of FaggotSoftware shitty excuse of an argument and the weakest interpretation of Ross's argument, it's still in favour of SGK and signing the initiative. That's how fucking retarded PirateFag is. There is nothing of value in that empty head of his. Dude is so fucking stupid even braindead influencers are calling him out.

>>713704674
This. American free market deregulation bullshit is what "you will own nothing and you will be happy" is all about. For all the memes surrounding that sentence, it doesn't get mentioned when it's actually relevant to real world practices and policies because the "libertarian at heart" can't imagine practices that make things less efficient and more expensive could ever be so massively rewarded. Even if they see the problem, they are against "big government" and regulation and just let it be as if it doesn't effect them.

There shouldn't need to be a Right to Repair debate but companies like Apple and John Deere make it necessary.

>>713704674
>>713706548
Please take this discussion to a site that is not hosted in America. Thank you.

>>713693936 (OP)
They don't actually care about the petition
They're just lonely losers desperate for a tribe and they think SKG fits the bill because video games are the only thing they even sort of care about.
Gotta attack enemies of the tribe.

>>713706486
>bro it's ok that our petition is stupid as fuck, people will get what we mean and figure out all the technical stuff later!
Retard.

>>713693936 (OP)
jersh is a fag.

>>713704027
The fact that you separated it. I.e.
>The free market had a way better shot at regulating itself *if we* abolished stock markets and public trading of companies
rather than
>The free market had a way better shot at regulating itself *and would* abolish stock markets and public trading of companies
Made it seem like you thought that part wouldn't be handled by the free market, and someone else, whatever "we" means outside of the fee market (I'd have thought that meant the government, but maybe I misunderstood and you meant something else). And whatever that is, saying "*blank* would regulate itself the best as long as something else regulates as well", sounds a bit like "the fence paints itself the best if I just rub some paint on it".
Besides that (Not that I'm trying to change your mind, but) I think private investing would likely replace public trading if it was abolished and act very similar.

>>713706802
When it comes to rights regarding internet and digital stuff, EU regulations impacts American regulations because we do open online business and communication with each other.

What are your thoughts on WEF and "you will own nothing and you will be happy"?

how the fuck is 500k not enough, that's a ton of people

>>713693936 (OP)
I saw the dead game list and the only games that I can remotely see worth saving are MMO's from the 2000's. However all the big heavy hitters that aren't just WoW have had private servers for the longest of time. I don't think anyone cares that Tiger Woods 2007 is no longer playable online.

>>713704337
I own a copy of several games. Just like my copies of books and films, and I can play, read, and watch them.

>>713707194
>what is proportions

>>713707029
The fuck are you even babbling about you illiterate retard?
If you disagree that the stock market needs to go you're a parasite or a slave, easy as. Fucking retard.

SUFFAH JAYSUN
SUFFAH

>>713707256
I wasn't aware you needed a master server to host 12+ others in a match to enjoy reading a novel.

>>713698289
>>713704027
>>713707029
The stock market is a natural extension of the basic concepts of ownership and sale. You can't just get rid of the ability to sell your ownership of a company any more than you can get rid of the ability to sell your ownership of a chair.
What you can do is regulate how it's done and who has to approve, but I know you libertarians hate the R word. Because you're ignorant loons with no knowledge or understanding of civics, generally.

>>713707256
>several
Anon is referring to digital products that are licensed. They are purchased under the pretense of "buying".

>>713707339
Sorry to confuse you. Fine by me. Go ahead and abolish the stock market.

>>713697209
cant stand that fucking inbred looking faggot, and how they all worship him over there. Fucking weird as.

>>713696373
>The EU also sucks since they are refusing to even LOOK at the initiative until it gets 1 million signatures.
As they should. 1 million is relatively small amount for the total population of all EU members being 450 million. If you significantly lower it, or outright remove it, then you're going to be flooded nonstop with initiatives by the most insane people to the point where nothing will be done.

>>713707404
The libertarian mindset is prevalent for multiple reasons, but I think the biggest is winning the Cold War. To them, that was a scientific proof that the freer the market the better, without ever seeing the bigger picture, especially the emergence of private equity firms and the consequences of that that happened after. To them, it's always been like this and they're too disengaged to look up how recently things changed. It's like how Nixon started the EPA.

>>713707298
yeah it doesn't make sense for a general audience

>>713707745
I'm not nearly so generous as to think libertarians built their position from any historical or political events.
They're just classically ignorant and incurious. If you bring up the obvious problems in their proposals they start rebuilding modern civics from scratch.

>>713707904
>>713707745
>>713707404
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fibDNwF8bjs

>>713707438
And you can own several of them in that you can buy a copy and can play them when you want.

Am I the only one that kinda doesn't really care about this? It won't retroactively save games that are dead. Most games are pretty shit these days anyway. I wouldn't buy anything that doesn't have an offline mode.

>>713693936 (OP)
I just want them to release a detailed description of the game's communication protocol and a final patch to let you set the server addresses via a config file. Anything beyond that is ridiculous if you have any understanding of how large scale servers are designed

>>713707904
That's accurate. Even when regulation is obviously good and necessary, they pivot to assumed or hypothetical flaws and corruption that negate that. It becomes a "debate" where one side presents real examples and the other writes fanfics about how those examples aren't as significant as their assumptions. It's even more hilarious if they're a conservative libertarian, because then you see what they want is only possible after fascism achieved goals that align with their conservativism, protects them, and then backs off so they can feel more free even though they were insulated and protected by that fascism. It's like saying you're a pacifist unless _____ and you have a normal list of reasons people use violence. In cases like these, you aren't a pacifist and you aren't a libertarian, you are adopting an aesthetic, a facade.

>>713708273
Most of the people in these threads don't care about this, which is why you never saw any threads when e-celebs weren't flinging shit at each other and why the petition is failing after a full year.

>>713708273
Only you, bud. Only you have these brain chemicals and experiences to lead you to that conclusion. Run before you join the hivemind.

>>713707884
450 million people reside in the EU. Of which, a little over 60% are of voting age which is around 270m. That's roughly .37% of the voting base required to hit 1 million votes. That is an incredibly generous limit.

>>713704647
they all have parasites

>>713708460
I'm only reading because there's an update, it went nowhere in my country (Australia) already so I can't sign shit. Did people actually do anything outside of the internet? Like put up posters, talk to people in games shops and in public? 1 million gamers in the EU seems like an easy to hit figure.

>>713708462
How do you know that I can think for myself? I could be an npc in your world.

>>713697209
As a sperg, he tends to find things that mildly annoy him and randomly decides to go nuclear on them. Ads, payment processors, fiat currency, the FBI, taxes, weebs, libertarians (ironically given the rest of the list, lmao), etc. Its kind of surreal listening to the MATI podcast and hearing some deranged rant come out of nowhere. But also pretty funny. He's like a young, somewhat less retarded Alex Jones.

>>713708750
>Did people actually do anything outside of the internet? Like put up posters, talk to people in games shops and in public?
No, not really. The SKG "community" was mostly interested in shitting on the gay furry and Ross is a lazy idiot.

>>713708273
I don't care about a single game with online components, save maybe for DRG but that's P2P so whatever, it won't die
That doesn't mean that i'm ok with companies fucking over paying customers. It's a matter of rights and principles

>>713705021
Products made in the 90s can do it but modern products somehow can't.

>>713696032
if that was the case, video game discusion would actually be fuitful and enjoyable

>>713708750
>Like put up posters, talk to people in games shops and in public? 1 million gamers in the EU seems like an easy to hit figure.
>Gamers
>putting effort into anything
And keep in mind, these are about dead games that likely died due to very small barely existing playerbases. Is Apex Legends, Counter Strike 2, or Fornite effected? No. Does anyone care that you can no longer play Pro Evolution Soccer 2014 or the online functions for the mobile game Dues Ex GO? No.

I mean, gaymers signed 490k and that is apparently the ceiling.

>>713708502
How many of those people are over 40 and don't care about videogames?

>>713709201
Literally all they have to do is release binaries for their server code. Not even the source code. Just the binary and maybe a README.md telling you how to set it up.

>>713709691
I can't believe that's a valid URL

>>713708983
I didn't know either of those people existed before today. Lemme guess, e-celebs trying to tie the cause to their internet personas?

>>713709087
I don't mean to say I'm okay with it. But the real thing would be voting with your wallet. Companies don't care unless they aren't making money. Too bad kids and paypigs don't care.

>>713709407
There's just so many ways to raise awareness and no one cares. Everyone is apathetic these days. Nothing ever happens.

>>713709605
So what you're asking is that this initative be given special treatment compared to all the other countless initiatives given to the EU over the years? Lot of gamers are now over the age of 40 btw.

>>713693936 (OP)
Y E S

>>713709752
> Everyone is apathetic these days
Gamers specifically are apathetic and always have been. At most they'll type online their dissatisfaction but never will they get outside and do anything. After all, being proactive means less time playing vidya.

>>713709752
>I didn't know either of those people existed before today. Lemme guess, e-celebs trying to tie the cause to their internet personas?
Ross aka Moss-infection patient 0 aka the least competent gamer to ever live is the one that started the petition. He's mostly done nothing for it since but put up hours-long videos that are him rambling about nonsense and accusing various people of conspiring against him and "hating videogames." He's also gone on a couple of very questionable podcasts in a failed attempt to promote it, one of which was literally hosted by nazis.
The gay furry responded to his petition pointing out the overly-vague demands and the myriad unintended consequences the possible implementations would have and Ross' "fanbase" began a retarded e-war.

>>713709605
>ok but most voting constituents don't care about this
Then why should politicians?

545,786 votes

>>713703932
I'm not even really a lolifag but these guys make me want to post some out of sheer spite.
Reminder that despite all their tryhard, tradcath posteuring they're just near identical losers to us, with a bit more violent seething chip on their shoulder.

>>713710057
Ross shouldn't be blamed, the entire movement that wants these dead games to be preserved should for not bothering to spread the word. It shouldn't be squared away on a single person, especially after it made headlines last July.

>>713697291
If the EU produced nothing then tariffs would achieve nothing.
Game. Set. Match.

>>713710003
I wasn't apathetic when I was a kid.

>>713710057
So it's a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SDYd2e9pT4
kind of situation, is it?

>>713703932
Reddit tier

>>713710183
I checked like 22 hours ago, and it was 47%. Now it's 54%. 34 days to go.
I believe

>>713693936 (OP)
he's right you know

>>713710420
That's due to Penuinz0 talking about it. And he has around 17m subscribers.

>>713693936 (OP)
why won't Saint Jersh play the fucking Doom mod already?!

If /v/ was based then the jannies would put it as a banner announcement.

>>713710121
Well they obviously do not. That's the entire reason we have to collect ONE MILLION signatures just for it to even reach their desk.

>>713710368
yep, pretty much

>>713710276
Spite is based.

>>713710292
Ross can easily be blamed, at least in part, because he's the one that created the vague shitty wording that led to a lack of support. He didn't know enough about software dev and publishing to write the petition well and he didn't consult with people that did know enough. It was doomed from the start.

>>713710581
/v/ isn't an activism board you fag.

>>713710621
Spite is brainlet. Reducing issues to personal aggrievement is to admit that all you truly care about were vibes and aesthetics. You weren't interested in what's real or correct, you were seeking ways to satisfy your feelings.

>>713704674
>If i buy a DVD movie my ownership cannot be revoked.
Yes it can. DVDs have always been licenses.

>>713697184
Seethe harder HIVan

>>713710708
>that created the vague shitty wording that led to a lack of support.
That's your average gamer in a nutshell. You honestly expect them to have any idea how the legal system works when most of them barely made it out of high school?

>>713710708
It's not a petition and it's not supposed to create the law. Why would it not be open and vague about the implementation? That would just mske it attackable.

>>713710276
literal projection

>>713710581
Not your personal army, faggot.

>>713711109
dude you're like an oldfag? woah. like you're so old. woah. did you browse during the boxxy days? wow.

>>713710771
Adding to this, a lot of Hitler type politics are selfish, in that it's all about what helps and harms you personally with no consideration beyond that. To many, that's normal. They aren't used to having to think of considerations beyond what's personal because they see the goal of a nation, of policy, as only personal benefit. Focus on others outside their demographic is often seen as a betrayal to their demographic.

>>713708502
the majority of people probably don't even know games are just licenses

I want games to die

>>713710483
He has indeed helped a lot the cause, even if we can assume that at least 50% of his subscribers are not EU citizens.

>>713694819
I'm pretty sure I already signed on this months ago and there is no way to check that besides trying to do it again and having an EU death squad knocking on my door when they find out I tried to commit fraud.

>>713703375
Honestly, literally all they have to do is add server browsers and release the software to self host your own servers again and the problem fixes itself.

OP is right, Ross should have joined Night Media so he would have more influential reach the way PirateSoftware did

>>713711071
>No dude, I am LE based and REDPILLED TRADCATH who HATES anime and DEGENERACY. When I'm not spending my time posting about how christ is king despite having not attended church in years I instead cyberstalk e-celebs and literal whos, I'm so BASED and REDPILLED notice me daddy null
Sure buddy

>>713711493
Most are perpetual licenses that you can use however you wish, and companies can't arbitrarily take in theory. In practice, there's a lot of legal grey area that they hide behind their legions of legal teams. One of the goals for the initiative is to get answers if we're fucked or there can be protections and regulations against companies taking the licenses aka your games away.

>>713711641
yes, and most people don't give a shit, they just consume and play and don't engage in anything online

>>713697184
you ain't doing shit faggot

>>713711641
>One of the goals for the initiative is to get answers if we're fucked or there can be protections and regulations against companies taking the licenses aka your games away.
Except no, that has absolutely nothing to do with the initiative.
This is the shit I mean when I say Stop Killing Games is a fucking rorschach test for its proponents. They don't know or understand what it says and they don't care, they're going to mentally fill in what they want it to say.

>>713711772
>that has absolutely nothing to do with the initiative.
Ross said in his latest video that's one of the reasons he did this whole thing in the first place.

>>713711493
I don't think they really care. Most people who buy games are below the age of 35 and many of them just expect to move on and not grow attachments to them. And being someone in my late 30's, almost all my friends from HS 20 years back rarely play games or flat out no longer play videogames unless its with their children (usually stuff like mario kart ect) You have to remember, the residents on /v/ and elsewhere are the minority of the world. Loud on the internet, but a blip on the radar of real life.

>>713703932
Yes. You're a pedo who faps to drawings of little girls. A fair bit of them traced from real cp. This is a normal opinion. If you showed anyone IRL your fetish they'd fire up the wood chipper. Questions?

>>713711616
>mfw tradcath who LOVES anime and attends church every weekend

>>713710587
see: >>713709910

>>713711842
>Ross said in his latest video that's one of the reasons he did this whole thing in the first place.
That's nice.
Maybe he should've put that in the official wording, then.
But he didn't. Because he's incompetent.

>>713712096
He's a gamer, being incompetent outside of vidya is just a thing.

>>713711591
how often do you sign things that you can't remember for sure

>>713698665
Get conscripted faggot.

>>713697184
you can't sign it, you don't even live in the EU

>>713693936 (OP)
Can you Euro fags just fucking sign it already?
Anything that pisses off that gay retard pirate software is a good thing.

JUST DEW IT

>>713712279
It's been so long that I can't remember whether I actually did it or simply had it open on another tab and procrastinated it so much that I forgot.

>>713712556
Eurofags are so utterly brainwashed by American propaganda that they won't. Complete cultural victory.

>>713712556
Nah.

>>713694616
YOU DON'T NEED A FUCKING PASSPORT TO SIGN THE PETITION YOU MORON
NO WONDER YOU LIVE ABROAD, FUCKING STAY THERE

>>713694436
it was quite a spectacle if you saw the video of how he intentionally let his guildies die in hardcore just to prove some sort of point

>>713704337
good goy

>>713697184
inaction only punishes yourself, and once you realize that your inaction isn't spiting the people you think it is, you will create some new victim in your head for your inaction, over and over again, as a cope for not wanting to do anything

>>713694616
How you don't have the eID? It doesn't matter where you are. You did something wrong or you are just misinformed.

>>713712808
retard

>>713700140
>Y'all
stopped reading there

>>713693936 (OP)
Thor won

>the government needs to step in to "solve" this problem that is already solved by piracy
No

>>713701769
Why do you act like the industry can't adapt to this in the future? Why can't middleware developers rework their terms so that they're fair to the actual end-user?

And even if thats the case, it isn't the customers fault. If you sell someone something, they should get to keep it. "ooh it's too hard to let people keep the games I sold them!" isn't an excuse. And if a publisher literally can't sell games in a fair way to their customers and without the blatant fraud thats been normalized, then maybe that publisher shouldn't exist?

>>713698665
How do we define "advertising"? Because talking of a game can be already considered as such.

I define it simply as trying to sell a product that is *yours*, so there is a strong interest in doing so involved.

>>713713542
But piracy is illegal. That's not a solution.

>>713713542
>already solved by piracy
>except for all the games that have not been pirated

>>713699183
>This isn't REAL advertising!!

>>713713610
The solution to anarchy-tyrannical society is to ignore laws
All of the people "winning" harder than you are ignore laws or find loopholes around them

>>713713542
>time to pirate this MMO from 10 years ago
>what the fuck why isn't it connecting to servers i thought piracy would solve this

>>713713549
>Why can't middleware developers rework their terms so that they're fair to the actual end-user?
And if SKG was law and a middleware developer didn't make their product distributable, companies wouldn't use it anymore, they'd go to a competitor who makes EoL plans easy.

>>713704337
Why does Steam tell me I "own this game"?

>>713711908
Why are you projecting?
>Traced from real cp
Wtf I didn't even know that was a thing.

>>713713792
Piracy does solve that thoughbeit, setting up servers is the easy part.

>>713713891
All the petition is asking for is making it so that you don't need to do pirate servers for it. Like they just send out dedicated server software like companies used to would be a solution.

>>713714009
The government is inefficient and retarded when it comes to technology. You already have a best case scenario solution through piracy. If the government steps in, what will happen is a bunch of lawyers who barely understand how to use their home computer will enter a room with corporate stooges, and they will decide that legally if you're able to access a game's main menu then that qualifies as "end of life support."

You need to stop having faith in a system that is gay, retarded and frequently jewish.

>>713713891
If no one made a private server, then piracy doesn't solve it. It's an unreasonable burden to expect players to reverse engineer entire games just in case the servers go down.
>inb4 that game doesn't count because it's not popular enough

>>713713690
You can do both though. Anarchy-Tyrannical society oligarchs would rather you just stay in your corner and pirate than pirate and take action against them.

>>713714176
>libertarian writes fanfic instead of honestly engaging in policy solution options
THE PROPHECY
>>713708381
>Even when regulation is obviously good and necessary, they pivot to assumed or hypothetical flaws and corruption that negate that. It becomes a "debate" where one side presents real examples and the other writes fanfics about how those examples aren't as significant as their assumptions.

>>713714848
I dont believe playing the legal system will bother them, considering how entrenched they are in it

>>713714176
Unfortunately this is the EU so they've actually gotten people familiar with tech to start stepping in. If it was American I'd agree entirely but they finally got Apple to stop being jews so I'm hopeful they can do the same with Ubisoft and EA and other shitty triple AAA shithouses.

>>713715023
Thinking you will out-wrestle wealthy corporations in the legal system is a bigger fanfic than "just pirate it"

I've kind of accepted that we won't get enough signatures even now unless we kept getting big pushes, but that'd mean drama keeps happening. At least now we finally have a larger example of PirateSoftware being a shit head to add to the pile so even if this does fail he'll always have shit sticking to him.

>>713693936 (OP)
Aren't these guys meant to be observers?

>>713713792
>10 years ago
You mean 20 years ago. How many big name MMO's came out after ESO? Anyways, games like Everquest, Warhammer Online, LOTRO, DAoC, Asheron's Call 1, SWG all have emulated servers with many others close to be done. EQOA for the PS2 just had a release last year.

>>713715031
>>713715298
They spend billions to distract you and get you to this point. At worst you'll just make them lose more money over combating the negative PR. Getting people engaged at any level scares them and hurts profits as they need to recognize the possibility of action taken against them.

>>>/pol/508795700

BUMP THE /pol/ THREAD

>>713702429
Look, I don't know how to break it down to people that don't think like I do. Consider this: the total abstract benefit gained from this, even if applied to a giant industry, is very low indeed. Like, the gain could be said to be just <1%. How is that gain defined? Well, different ways, but let's just say "things normie would demand".
>>713704504
>loot boxes
Motivated by protecting children and whatnot.
>refunds
If you compare this pro-consumer regulation with this stopkilling pro-consumer regulation, then it's obvious that one of these is not unlike the other in terms of pure quantitative gain for the consumers. Compare with our "things normies would demand" metric. A normie would easily request a refund; a normie probably will not ever in his life demand online games be permanently playable.

>>713693936 (OP)
worked on me

>>713715916
>Getting /pol/ involved
Same as it ever was

>>713703932
Why do lolicons live rent free in these faggots heads? It's genuinely hilarious LMFAO.
Imagine if they put their autism to work in shit that actually mattered.
Wouldn't this faggot be considered a gay pedophile? He loves shota catboys.

>>713710708
Meanwhile in reality, PirateSoftware's devs think he's a retard and support owning your games. So do the Ubisoft devs behind The Crew by the way.

>>713715941
You're talking on a dead phone, anon. These idiots have no sense of proportion. They genuinely think SKG is on the same level as right to repair.

>>713717624
It is kind of. Right to Repair can make labeling purchases and items more clearly. Like how games and services is implied in EULA, but we still have a concept of "buying" and "owning" that needs better explanation and expectations set. Renting and licensing are already real practices, it's just not apparent in what you're doing when you make these consumer decisions.

>>713693936 (OP)
It'll get at least a few of those belligerent turds over on the farm to sign it, that's for sure.

>>713717019
>leave us out of this please
Ahh yes, a scathing indictment of the furry and a glowing endorsement!

>>713718120
>It is kind of
No. No it isn't.
Right to repair is about shit like John Deere disabling mechanical farming equipment and Apple trying to litigate people fixing phone screens.

Pirate Software status?

>>713718685
It is because John Deere and Apple can do that if they sold the products under the correct labeling and clear pretenses. Same thing with these games.

>>713719126
Likely still calm. It is still a long road.

>>713719248
>It is because John Deere and Apple can do that if they sold the products under the correct labeling and clear pretenses
No, that's got absolutely nothing to do with either of those examples. You're just grasping at straws.

>>713697184
>claims to be homophobic
>is named Sir gay

>>713697184
Rosyjska świnia

>>713719319
Why not get the vtuber chicks to support it
That'll get the green bar going

>>713720404
no vtuber would ever willingly associate themselves with this, especially after Ross' fans turned it as toxic as gamergate

>>713720404
>Why not get the vtuber chicks to support it
Good idea, but you gotta figure out which vtuber to throw it at. Since it's a drama pit right now you're better off finding one that does react content and hates Asmongold since he hates it.

>>713720545
That's what your faggot ass think, but I was asking actual human beings.

>>713720545
So it's Ross' fault and not Pirate Fagware's?

>>713720404
Some may. But i think the majority of them want to stay in the good graces of gaming studios and get freebies. I expect that we will likely see some big youtubers do some videos before it ends. maybe even the ones that already did at the start. But it is hard to say if it will be enough.

>>713720545
Okay Moldavius.

>>713720545
>Ross' fans turned it
>definitely not Asmongold's audience of toddlers or Thor's audience of blue check schizos

>>713720673
>"no vtuber chick would associate with this, it's too toxic"
>SHUT UP FAGGOT NO IT ISN'T

>Pirate Software now claims he is the victim in all this
DARVO?

>>713720628
I could see Nyanners supporting it

>>713720783
You might be right about the source but either way it's irrelevant.
This shit is a glowing cesspool that no one with a brain or an image to protect will touch. Moist is by far the biggest name that will ever cover it.

Holy shit we're winning. WINNING!

>>713693936 (OP)
that pirate faggot helped the movement more than anything by providing a convenient target to hate on and stirring up controversy.

>>713711591
Retarded attempt at FUD.

>learn about Right to Repair
>it's literally "you will own nothing and you will be happy"
>anti-WEF crowd completely silent on the issue
What was the point of opposing WEF and "you vill eat ze bugs" if in practice they support the free market policy to go ahead and let them do this? Did they think WEF was a government thing?

>>713720545
>ross fans
all 5 of us?
thor has more haters than ross has fans

>>713697291
Consumer protection laws are a good thing to have. Being able to get refunds on steam is nice. Companies not being able to delete a game you have bought? Would be nice too.

>>713720959
wef was just a false flag
in reality it's not an organization with any real power
the propaganda just pushed it to distract from other issues

>>713720545
>Ross' fans
First of all Rajeet, it's "Ross's"
Second, all 25 fans he has are dudes in their mid 30's, i seriously doubt they're the kind to bother with online harrasment

>>713720958
I mean there is literally no way to check other than try to do it again with a "I promise I haven't done this before" box checked on.

>we swear this isn't just eceleb bullshit this is a serious issue
I guess they dropped that lie

>>713704337
>legal hibbity jibbity totally matters
It does not. Corpos can write into their retarded EULAs what ever they want, but those things only matter if you let them get away with it. Stop being a slave.

>>713721213
>it's Ross's
No.
If you're adding a possessive apostraphe to a word that already ends in S you typically don't add another S. For plural nouns it's outright incorrect o add another S. For singular nouns you can do either, but generally you shouldn't add an extra S because it looks stupid.

It's not "The girls's purses" it's "The girls' purses"

What I notice is that a lot of the cynical posts or "waaah so what" posts are made from people who almost definitely are just apathetic to the state of games now and would rather it just die. They think that games dying is what will change the industry, but that's exactly what companies want. They want games to die and for you to not care enough to move onto the next product. Whether you play a game from 20 years ago or not doesn't change how the industry as a whole works, and at this point the companies don't care if you vote with your wallet. The only way to really get them to stop this bullshit is to actually make it so they have to follow a law. It's not daddy government stepping in, it's just them being subject to regulation they should've always had. Games shouldn't just die because a bean counter decides they don't make enough money anymore.

>>713720914
If it actually manages to keep up this momentum all the way to 100% I will genuinely become a very optimistic man and believe in a good future for humanity.

>>713721626
That's very very sad.
Find something that's actually important to care about.

>>713721520
Nothing ever happens. The games industry is shit and it cannot be helped.

>>713721520
>What I notice is that a lot of the cynical posts or "waaah so what" posts are made from people who almost definitely are just apathetic to the state of games now and would rather it just die. They think that games dying is what will change the industry
I dont want a change to the industry, I want the industry to die so that you fags will stop living on the computer and go fight some wars already

basically a solution to the question nobody has asked—if You are white, You will simply pirate and store it, as in that case, You actually own it.

>>713721680
No thanks.

>>713703932
It still amazes me that these retards can't process the concept that Jim isn't their personal attack dog.
He's been consistent on this point for over a decade, but they still shit themselves in rage whenever he doesn't attack people they want them to.
They got assmad over him not shitting on Ralph during his hiatus, too.

>>713721743
Accelerationism is just misanthropic retard cope. An answer to the question "How can I pretend that I'm a low info piece of shit on purpose?"

>>713721723
They'll never put seat belts in cars, can you imagine the cost?
Like dude, how are you going to track down every cars you sold and pay a guy to instal that shit, I'm against the idea 100%

>>713721518
https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/PossessivesandAttributives/faq0066.html

>>713721873
We have had enough internet arguing, time for the people who think they stand for things to go actually fight for it where it matters

>>713721723
This is what I mean. The industry isn't going to crash and restart better. It's just going to keep getting shittier because companies find tax loopholes and microtransactions to keep afloat. Ubisoft should've been dead by now but somehow they're still going.
>>713721743
I will not be fighting Iran because some jew in the White House says I should.

>>713721963
video games are not cars, retard

>>713722109
Dang bro, you're so smart, pls tell me more.

>>713697184
>and while we're at it the IAEA
You are a retarded American shill that wants this to be kicked off the board because you know that the jannies seethe about any discussion about nuclear power.

>>713722025
>updated chicago style says-
lmao did you literally just google this shit and click the first link
that's hilarious

>>713722286
Stop Killing Games will flop and this thread only exists to discuss lolcow drama

>>713721830
I can't pirate Gunbound

>>713695815
90% of people in the world are just complacent

>>713707708
Well, as it was previously stated
>most of the English-speaking Euros are millennials and younger generations
this reduces the total number of people who would even comprehend what this is all about to 12%-15%.
>a significant number of younger Euros (probably around 25%-50%) hate the EU and would never participate in any EU-driven initiatives
this reduces the total number of people willing to vote to 6%-12%
>women don't play video games, it's a 90%-10% split
this again halves the number of people who will care enough to vote, down to 3%-6%.
>most Euros don't even know that something like a "European Peoples' Initiative" even exists, maybe around 20% of them do
well fuck, now we're down to 0.6%-1.2%. That leaves us with 2.7 million potential votes.

And it doesn't even account for the fact that this initiative has absolutely ZERO exposure in EU. Nobody is talking about it on any of the relevant places. There are no ads, there are no TV appearances (there was maybe one or two), there are no billboards, there are no e-celebs which Europeans follow talking about this.
Out of around 100 people I keep in touch with, I haven't heard of a single person other than myself even mention this initiative in the past 10 months. It literally doesn't exist as far as people are concerned. It mostly exists to the minority of people who are terminally online.

>>713722109
i think the analogy that dude tried to make was that there is always pushback against regulations and improvements, and in hindsight you'll sound silly
People were malding about Valve being forced to provide refunds as well, i remember indie devs that made 30 minutes long "experiences" stomping their feet

>>713721520
>we NEED to be able to play The Crew because... uhhhh....

>>713722389
Nah it's an argumeent the man himself made 10 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vUZG2z8TAs
~1:10

>>713722653
Why shouldn't I be allowed to play a game I bought, jew?

>>713722410
And the doomer is actually a shill, there you go ...

>>713722715
That's even funnier.
Suffice it to say that the chicago standard for academic papers is not the same as proper or popular usage and certainly isn't an indication of ESL.

>>713710708
The only thing he can be blamed for is not reaching out to more people and pushing it harder. And starting the whole thing while being completely unprepared.

He literally only realized a few weeks ago that he could've accepted donations and paid for sponsorships for the initiative. He was completely stuck in the mentality of "I don't want people to donate money so that we can buy ads or sponsorships", and nobody wanted to take that responsibility because he was seen as "The Guy" for the whole campaign.

>>713693936 (OP)
>animal rescue founder kills herself following a reddit-organized harassment campaign
...what?

>>713722586
>think the analogy that dude tried to make was that there is always pushback against regulations and improvements, and in hindsight you'll sound silly
That's only true when the regulations are covering something important like transportation and not vidya gaems.
>People were malding about Valve being forced to provide refunds as well, i remember indie devs that made 30 minutes long "experiences" stomping their feet
You only say this because you already have a strawman. Steam's refund policy doesn't only hurt artsy games, it also hurts games that are all about gameplay (shmups, beat em ups, etc.)
It just forces devs to add shitty filler just so their games would be longer than 40 minutes even though that only makes their games worse.

>>713723056
>The only thing he can be blamed for is not reaching out to more people and pushing it harder. And starting the whole thing while being completely unprepared.
and failing to consult tech/industry experts, that's pretty important
that service/client org chart he put up is hilariously stupid

>>713693936 (OP)
>please sign this online petition that we think will make the government take video games seriously

>>713697184
t. Ivan, Brussels Oblast

Why the fuck was Rivals of Aether 2 caught in the crossfire of this autistic e-celeb fight? Offbrand Games has nothing to do with the development of RoA2, they don't have any rights to RoA, and Aether Studios itself is the actual publisher of the game - Offbrand Games' involvement is just Ludwig funneling money into platform fighters, as he did with Melee tournaments. More than that, RoA2 is one of if not the most pro-consumer fighting games on the market. It's only a live service game because that's what RoA1 turned into because the developers actively supported their shitty little pixel art platform fighter for a decade (it's still online, by the way). RoA2 is also playable offline and they're adding support for p2p connections.

All this is to say can you kindly leave us the fuck alone? I hate Pirate Software, he's a narcissistic sociopath and a massive fucking loser. But he also has nothing to do with the game outside of one cosmetic. I like RoA2 and, for whatever reason, the game keeps attracting an endless parade of schizos who wish for its death. For God's sake, I just want to play video games.

>>713722918
How am I shill? I'm just stating the obvious and the inevitable.

>>713711595
it doesn't even have to be good, if anyone brings it to court they can just say "works on my machine" but the fact that it's out there means there would be a better starting point than literally nothing for getting private servers off the ground

>>713723079
the owner of a fox rescue got popular on insta which led to armchair "animal advocates" calling her an animal abuser which metastasized into multiple communities (including one on reddit) dedicated to harassing her, suing her organization, etc.

>>713723079
snark subreddits, a fairly recent trend
They focus on bullying one specific person for really minute reasons, not for the lulz but with a firm self proclaimed morality
As you might imagine, there is no one more cruel than the ones thinking they're doing it for a good cause, bunch of nasty and hateful pricks
the snark subreddit about the fox girl was nuked after she killed herself, but you can find plenty more if you want to feel better about yourself

>>713723316
good post saar

>>713693936 (OP)
Literally what games has this movement even saved thus far?

>>713704542
many countries have passed the threshold already, it's fucking italy dragging everyone down, as usual, as well as the eastern countries that were let into the EU as a joke

>>713693936 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wySIfdGqz3k

>>713723709
none, because it's basically the fetus of a law?

>>713722918
see >>713723816

>>713723709
Scared Ubisoft into promising to add offline modes for The Crew 2 and 3, and also scared them into stalking Ross.

>>713723316
European Citizens Initiative require verified EU citizens and are legally binding, forces the EU parlament to provide legislative clarifications.
Many democracies have similar systems in place to allow citizens to enact a more direct approach to lawmaking

>>713724009
sounds woke to me

>>713723256
>failing to consult tech/industry experts
who cares about this? They would be consulted during the discussions with the EU commission and the people representing the opposition (ie Ubisoft)

>>713723349
A lot of people just hate PirateSoftware and will by default hate anything and anyone he is even remotely related to.

>>713724484
>who cares about consulting people that know how software works when you're making demands and proposals regarding the sale of software
You should if you want people to think you're anything but an opinionated moron

>>713704323
American expats pay taxes, though. Maybe they are more entitled to their vote than any random jobless faggot.

>>713698665
>Not Your Personal Army
This shitty meme is what turned this site into a joke and ripped the teeth out of Anonymous' mouth.

The mod who was sending these threads to /pol/ a few months earlier was 100% Thor.

>>713697184
woah. bold words, from a shitskin.

>>713724925
not video games

is today gonna be another 50 thousand? holy fuck

>>713710534
he needs time to set up his house o algo

>>713720628
throw it at indies
throw it at Kirsche
throw it at Hina Bo Bina

>>713706917
>t. redditor who has no idea how citizen petitions work creating a parallel delusional reality inside his mind

>>713725064
IT IS LITERALLY VIDEO GAMES YOU FAGGOT

>>713725329
Even if you were right, which to be clear you aren't, you're far more likely to get people to sign your petition if it doesn't come across as stupid as fuck.

>>713725374
How is e-celeb drama related to video games?

>>713725374
NOTHING IS VIDEO GAMES

STOP THE COUNT

PREASE ROSS SAMA

AIIIEEEEEE

>>713725417
>"Stop Killing Games" is a consumer movement started to challenge the legality of publishers destroying video games they have sold to customers. An increasing number of video games are sold effectively as goods - with no stated expiration date - but designed to be completely unplayable as soon as support from the publisher ends. This practice is a form of planned obsolescence and is not only detrimental to customers, but makes preservation effectively impossible. Furthermore, the legality of this practice is largely untested in many countries.
This seems perfectly clear and reasonable to me.

>>713720545
kirsche and pippa probably would

>>713725518
especially e-celeb drama

>>713725603
nothing ever happens

We got over 40k signatures again.

>>713693936 (OP)
who is "they"?

start killing games NOW

>>713696373
The EU Parliament already has asked parliamentary questions to the EU Commission on the topic, where the Commission has confirmed that the behavior of the industry as described may in fact be in violation of the transparency requirements of the Consumer Rights Directive (CRD), some of the practices also being illegal under the Unfair Commercial Practices Directive (UCPD) and some of the terms of contract that they are attempting to use to do it being illegal under the Unfair Contract Terms Directive (UCTD).

They literally stated individual cases should be brought to court to be properly examined and ruled on. This is not within the power of the Commission itself. In the context of these three directives the courts are required to apply ex officio - and of their own initiative investigate for compliance with ALL parts of these directive against any publisher sued and brought before court. All it takes is one properly handled case taken to a court actually worth its salt. (I.e. not just a low small claims court.)

Moreover, recent guidelines issued jointly by the EU Commission and the national enforcement authorities unified in the Consumer Protection Cooperation Network (CPCN) on the handling of purchasing of digital content with virtual currencies already contained an entire chapter that boils down to enforcement authorities from hereon out considering any terms of contract that aim to allow the other party to take away or otherwise make unusable purchased digital content, to be illegal and for action to be taken against via administrative fines.

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>>713693936 (OP)
Signed it a few days ago, when I found out a polish bro of ours did it too. Shame rest of my crew are all abroad.

>>713697291
>The only thing EU can do is regulate US (tech) companies but can produce nothing on their own. Its so pathetic.
An EU company designs the machinery capable of baking the microchips the US tech companies depend on.
It's the only company in the world capable of the technology as well. The EU effectively has a monopoly on modern computer hardware technology. If they decide "fuck Silicon Valley" then the US tech sector dies.

>>713725426
the mega faggot roach ass bitch we refer to as ass pirate is TANGENTAL to the point that we want companies to stop fucking us over.

>>713725707
The problem is the fact that this pace needs to keep up for the next 3 weeks for this to have a chance. I bet at least 10% of these signatures will be fake.

>Naysayers are brokies
>Wouldn't know what consumer rights are since they've never bought anything
lolololol

>>713726098
>pirate is TANGENTAL to the point
yeah sure. That's why most of these threads are all about him, right? It's all just pointless e-celeb drama.
>we want companies to stop fucking us over.
LMAO you think they will stop? Are you underage or just retarded?

>>713724763
And your line of thinking is how you invite manipulators and how to lose the plot.

>>713721680
Oh. Like not destroying all art of our time, for absolutely no fucking reason?

>>713726305
you sound like a fat dick, so I don't care what you think

>>713726401
I accept your concession

>>713703375
>Good thing these laws are never retroactive
Actually, if the terms of contract that allow these practices would be deemed unfair to consumers then under the Unfair Contract Terms Directive (UCTD) of '93 they may not bind consumers, which means courts will annul the terms in question which will require restoration of the status quo before the term started applying and reparations in accordance to that. This would apply from the moment the term existed, not from the moment of the ruling.

>>713726305
Because there has been a major rallying for the initiative and against the retarded gay furfag in the last few days. If it's what it takes, so be it.
Sure does, seeing as companies bend the keen to eu decisions all the time. I don't even why you'd pretend otherwise.

>>713726264
You need ID. But yeah, it is far from the goal. Hopefully other youtubers will make videos too.

>The Commission will have to reply within 6 months, indicating the action it will take, if any.
>if any
UH OH

>>713726378
I pointed out how things *are* and all you could do was make up some hypothetical bullshit.

>>713713542
Can you play a pirated copy of the Crew? No you can't because it literally unplayable without the server side authentication that no longer exists.
https://youtu.be/VIqyvquTEVU?t=246

>>713693936 (OP)
That would get me to sign it if I was in the EU.

>>713726639
All previous initiatives led to actions and it's still a better shot at making this come true than anything else at the moment.

>>713726635
>You need ID.
I thought you could literally type in anything

>>713704337
UsedSoft vs Oracle had the European Court of Justice rule that all software, no matter whether attached to a physical medium or bought in pure digital form, is a purchase to which ownership rights on that copy of the software are attached.
In the EU you don't purchase a license. You purchase the copy of the content, optionally on a physical carrier medium, and the license is nothing more than ancillary terms and conditions to the contract of sale.

>>713720404
Like a vtuber who speaks greek? Since what's needed is outreach in non english communities.

>>713704337
>You purchase a driver's license.
You're paying an administrative fee for the logistics involved in creating the physical document and the requisite registrations in government systems. It's not a purchase.

>>713721830
You wanna know how many of the games you can currently pirate and are actually affected by this initiative?

0. Literally zero, by definition.

>>713693936 (OP)
I don't care, I just want pirate software to lose.

>>713727053
Someone get saruei, we need an unhinged frog bitch with a grating voice on the case.

>>713726573
>Because there has been a major rallying for the initiative and against the retarded gay furfag in the last few days
I thought he was only tangental...
>seeing as companies bend the keen to eu decisions all the time.
They replaced lootboxes with an even worse system, battle passes. It didn't improve anything. Nothing ever happens.

>>713706486
Thor is against the initiative because he himself is involved with a publisher that is creating a live-service game.
I.e. conflict of interest.

>>713726639
I think there was a case where they determined the thing they want was already covered by current legislation so they didn't take action there.

>>713727235
He is, that's why he comes in second in order of importance.
If we have to play whack-a-mole until the companies are maginally less fucking assholes, it's still a better option than bending over and spreading your asscheeks waiting for a continuous stream of ferrets to crawl up your ass.

>>713707194
The EU has around 450 million citizens according to its latest census.
The 1 million threshold means your initiative needs at least the backing of ~0.22% of the populace.

>>713727570
>He is, that's why he comes in second in order of importance.
wrong. see >>713727185
>we have to play whack-a-mole until the companies are maginally less fucking assholes
that won't work because they will just find new ways of being scummy to customers. I don't think it will do anything in the grand scheme of things.

>>713708273
>It won't retroactively save games that are dead.
Depending on how the EU treats the topic, it actually might make it legal in a preservationist context to reverse-engineer and disassemble those dead games to get them running again. And might make it legal to crack expired DRM.

>>713695443
>What is said on a mongolian basket weaving forum is not indicative of how people talk to him normally.
Maybe you don't, but you absolutely share a board with people who do.

>>713721125
Blessed post

>it took months to go from 40 to 48%
>it took a day to go from 48 to 55%

>>713727546
There is no current legislation that covers this. If there was you can bet your ass that people would've taken those videogame companies to court.

>>713711493
In the EU they aren't just licenses. UsedSoft vs Oracle had the ECJ reach a judgement that regardless of presence of a physical carrier or not, purchasing software is treated as the purchase of a copy of the digital content that carries ownership rights over that copy. It also judges the actual copy of the software as the primary product being bought. The license is treated as nothing more than ancillary terms and conditions to the sales contract.

>>713726945
You can and some countries also have electronic ID option.

>>713725605
That's because you're retarded

>>713727951
I'm just saying that there's a reasonable no action and not lol I'll ignore the issue fuck you.

>>713727773
Ah, yes the usual "/v/ is one person and a single post proving me right does in fact mean everything else said to me is wrong". Try to be a bit more original, please.
You both said that it would make things worse and that it wouldn't change anything, so which is it?

>>713708502
Based on what Ross said the "Stop Killing Games" initiative is one of the most active and popular ones that is currently active. So relative to other EU initiatives ongoing it's one of the more successful ones. It's just that I guess EU voters are very apathetic

>>713712096
Ross didn't create the body copy of the initative, or registered it. He can't, because he's not a national of an EU member state.
He's just the figurehead for the movement.

>no one posted a link to the petition
Who do you think I am? Some guy who's not lazy?

>>713710708
>>713710824
Don't be a retard. It has been explained that it is purposely vague so you don't write yourself into a corner. People who think they're smart by being uber specific in their first draft of a potential bill are stupid

is hatred humanity's strongest driving factor?

>>713693936 (OP)
Is this the new Net Neutrality #SaveTheNet psyop bullshit?

>>713728315
It's just that the videogame market isn't that developed outside of a few european countries and in general it hasn't received a lot of attention by influencial european medias or content creators.

>>713714176
>they will decide that legally if you're able to access a game's main menu then that qualifies as "end of life support."

The 2019/770 directive on the sale of digital content already defines digital content being functional as digital content having all functionalities it was originally advertised with, in functioning form. This is literally in the formative legal text.

>every controversy maldavius figtree has been in could've been terminated in an instant with a genuine "sorry"
>never does it
based or cringe ?

>>713728432
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

>>713728508
It's certainly doing a good job here.

>>713728508
No, not really, if anything hatred have a tendency to link us together because the enemy of my enemy...

>>713728683
Cringe because he had a public online therapy session about it.

null is a bad human being

>>713728508
>>713728806
My bad, misread "dividing" and not 'driving", so yes, yes, it is.

>>713728315
Gaming isn't as big in the EU as it is in the USA/China/Korea/Japan.

>>713727176 i am simply pointing out that there already is a solution to this, issue, and if You truly cared about video-games You would make sure to seed Your favorite ones and have copies of them on Your puter instead of arguing here like some fucking faggot

>>713728683
Based because he's a lol factory now. Every time he opens his mouth on those things he keeps getting more people to hate him

>>713728683
It would be based if the dude wasn't a massive fucking retard pretending to be smart, and all of it are a result of him being a retard.

>>713728849
yeah, and when the dude even suggested that he was being dismissive to anything or that he might be sounding like a narcissist, the dude would just deny it and get offended

>>713728849
>literally implicitly diagnosed as a narcissist
Everything starts making sense when you consider he is a narcissist. Even if he's wrong, he'll never admit it.

Realistically what would happen if Mald somehow an herod himself?

>>713729048
funny thing is that I saw many people saying "well at the very least he apologized to Ross for being a cunt and insulting him for no reason"
He didn't even apologize to Ross, he apologized to his viewers if they "felt he was rude to Ross"
It's the classic "I'm sorry you feel that way", which is not an apology

>>713729182
Not much. His dad would cry I guess. And his ferrets would go unmolested for at least more than 24 hours.

>>713729182
>is wrong and gets criticized for
>”hmm should I say I messed up or rope”
>”well I’m never wrong so”

>>713729232
HE'S A FUCKING FAT FAGGOT WHO USES A VOICE CHANGER
HE IS LITERALLY A DICK SUCKING FURRY
HE DOESN'T EVEN PROGRAM HIS OWN GAME
HE LIES ABOUT EVERYTHING
HE IS A ROACH
HE IS A DICK SUCKING UBER FAGGOT NEPO-BABY FURRY.
HE DESERVES AIDS BUT THIS IS A DECENT START

Calling it now

>>713729493
Well, we all know asuka posters are always right, so go on, asuka poster, spread the good word of our Lord, brother.

>>713727951
>There is no current legislation that covers this.

The EU Commission disagrees with you:

> Irrespective of the formal denomination of the agreement for video games, their material terms, such as regarding their duration and dependence on the game provider’s servers, and the associated marketing and advertising practices, are subject to the transparency and fairness requirements in Directives 93/13/EEC[1], 2005/29/EC[2] and 2011/83/EU[3].
>
> Directive 2019/770/EU[4] provides the consumer with remedies in the event of lack of conformity with the contract. Specifically, in the event of termination of a contract for the supply of the video game over a period of time, the provider must reimburse the consumer for the part of the price paid in advance for any remaining period of the contract if it had not been terminated.
>
> EU consumer protection legislation does not set specific requirements as to the duration of the supply of products, including of online video games.
>
> However, Directive 93/13/EEC prohibits unfair terms causing a significant imbalance in the parties’ rights and obligations to the detriment of consumers.
>
> Terms such as those related to the unilateral modification or termination by the trader of a contract of indeterminate duration without reasonable notice may be deemed unfair subject to a case-by-case assessment[5].
>
> -- https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/P-9-2024-001352-ASW_EN.html

>>713729546
kek

>>713729182
these types of people generally dont kill themselves, because it would be like the most devoted christian in the world killing jesus christ.

>>713729546
it would be funny, but the wow drama proved he cannot take any criticism

>>713693936 (OP)
yes

>>713729182
>twitter goes "well we made some mistakes but no one deserves this. don't send hate to ross or anyone he's had issues with."
>ross has to say he's sorry that he's dead and that he never had any ill will towards the guy
>commentary youtubers make 20 videos just called "The Tragic Life of PirateSoftware" where it's just a recap of the past year of drama
>blizzard makes a gay mount for him or some shit

>>713729702
>blizzard makes a gay mount for him or some shit
>it's a ferret
>your character stand behind it

>>713729702
>blizzard makes a gay mount for him or some shit
Ridable ferret seems like the most logical choice. In memoriam.

>>713729656
the whole reason there WAS any drama is because he refused to say "oops, my bad" and instead blamed everyone else
FUCKING SNAKE. FAGGOT ASS LYING SNAKE

>>713704647
>zoophilia AND pedo apologia
Puppygirls what the fuck is wrong with us??

>>713727951
>>713729620 (cont.)
Which was followed up on in https://commission.europa.eu/document/8af13e88-6540-436c-b137-9853e7fe866a_en
where under the 6th principle on fair and clear contract terms:

> Terms to avoid:
> * Terms that give the trader the unilateral right to cease, modify or withdraw the purchased
digital content or services or the purchased in-game virtual currencies at any moment in an
unfair manner.
> [..]
> * Terms giving unilateral rights to traders to remove content or features in the video game at
any moment, particularly if the content or feature is purchasable for consumers, and consu-
mers could expect it to remain at the time of purchase


This is a document of cautionary guidelines, based on which the various national enforcement authorities of the EU's member states will enforce the existing consumer rights legislation in the context of video games, moving forward.

The first case is already running.
Look up Star Stable.

>>713729831
Ferret*
Lying ferret.
His is a furry house, not a scaly one.

>>713728503
>"This is way too vague and broad and as a result is stupid and a bad start to the things you actually want"
>NO YOU DON'T GET IT WE WERE VAGUE ON PURPOSE
Idiot.

>>713727951
Taking a company to court isn't as simple as writing a complaint in a web form, it takes a lot of money, I feel that's one the things that we want to avoid with this initiative.

>>713716572
Because they're an easy scapegoats for real pedophiles to draw attention away from themselves.

>>713729953
Because it doesn't aim to be a law from the get go but get lawmakers to actually do their job, get parliament to discuss it properly and draft something that would ultimately be a law.

>>713729953
If you look at the actual legislation that the system of European Citizens Initiatives stems from, it flatly states that citizens are supposed to only provide a coarse outline and not a detailed legal document - and to ensure this is the case, a strict word count limit is applied.

In short: As is par for the course for Thor, he didn't know what he was talking about.

>>713729620
>>713729905
This is highly misleading.

>>713730091
>because...
It doesn't matter what your badly thought-out rationale is.
>>713730178
>it's only supposed to be an outline
Yes, and the outline is too broad and vague. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?

>>713729991
If there was real legislation that covered the problem with GaaS lawyers would be taking videogame companies to court for free and simply taking their commission from the penalty that the videogame company would have to pay.

>>713697184
>European Union
>state
Anon, I...
>NATO too
What a way to expose yourself, Yosef.

>>713717019
Everyone agrees it'd be better if companies always made them available post-mortem.
Not everyone of these agrees it needs to be a law.

>>713729953
Yes because this is suppose to be a jump point for lawyers and politicians to start from to discuss and solve.
People have an issue and this is our end goal. The how and the what is what comes after

>>713730184
Source links are provided and are directly from the offical communication channels of the EU governing bodies.
Deal with it.

>>713730267
It's not vague if you aren't a complete retard. It clearly state what the initiative aims to do.

>>713693936 (OP)
This just screams faggy leftism, which is why I shan't support it
>but le ancient shit game no one gives a shit about!!11
if it was anything of note some technoslavs would've made a janky POS client to play it

>>713730403
>it's ok for our proposal to be too vague to the point of being unworkable because other people will fix it later
No, it isn't.
Neither in terms of political viability nor public outreach.
You understand that the idea is to have people agree and sign it, right? And that wording it poorly fucks that up, yeah?
>>713730516
>It's not vague
It is, but the main problem is its breadth.

You fucked it, m8.

>>713730378
It's well known companies always have the best interests of their customers in mind so regulating them would damage the vidya market who is currently extremely healthy and filled with great quality AAA games at a cheap price, with no strings attached to them, made entirely in-house.

>>713730430
This talks about services you dumbass, not all games that have always online DRM are sold as services you complete moron.

HE'S A KIWI
HE'S RETARDED

>>713730561
ok so you pay 80 dollars for a new game
2 years later the game doesn't work
so your 80 dollars no longer have any value as the game is no longer playable

and you're just, ok with that

>>713730614
>too vague to the point of being unworkable
please tell me what is unworkable about it. what is vague part that makes it so that it is impossible to work this into a law

>>713730681
>and you're just, ok with that
Yes because things won't get any better, only worse.

>>713730378
>Not everyone of these agrees it needs to be a law.
I have zero trust in videogame publishers and videogame developers. This HAS to become LAW or they will simply continue the same ways things have been going for the past 25 years since the start of online games.

shills are out in full force today
you guys scared?
you know you'll lose your jobs if this petition wins, right? back to the call center for you sirs

>>713713542
>the problem is "solved" by something we declared several decades ago to be a crime?
>surely, that means we don't actually have to tackle it at all
The sheer amount of retards on this board never ceases to amaze me.

>>713730681
if you're still playing the same live service game 2 years later, something's wrong in your life
It's finite, you know? try something else, instead of whining about Anthem shutting down it's servers 8 years after release.

>>713730630
It's true! Microtransactions and buying access to games in beta made the industry better!

>>713730769
what a stupid faggot
>>713730773
it just makes corporations seethe because they want games to be a "service" not a product.

>>713730835
Dipshit, I play n64, and ps2 still. RPG maker 2003 games and I emulate ps1.
Occasionally I play a new game, but fuck the idea of games being temporary

>>713730635
It talks about digital content *or* services. Both.
Learn to read.

>>713721213
>First of all Rajeet, it's "Ross's"

>>713728681
All federal bills are 1:1 from the moment they are proposed to the moment they are made law.

>>713730968
I'm sorry to hear that.

>>713730824
>involving the government in a problem you can solve yourself

>>713730875
how am I wrong?

PLACE YOUR BET
>IS IT GOING TO REACH 1 MILLION?
OR WILL THE FAD DIES OUT AGAIN?

>>713730765
Again: the issue is the breadth of its vague language. It applies too broadly to the point that the steps needed to secure the stated goal would strip owners of their IP rights.
If it were just about phone-home DRM no one would have any problem with it, but as written it's asking people to necessarily expose proprietary code.
>no it doesn't it just asks for things that require people to expose their code! we don't explicitly say they have to even though they will!
Shut up retard

>>713721518
>If you're adding a possessive apostraphe to a word that already ends in S you typically don't add another S
You absolutely should for proper nouns, man

>>713731173
I like to believe, I bet success

>>713731141
I am solving it myself, by personally trying to force the government to act. That's how representative democracies work, anon.

>>713731141
Wasting your time. The brigaders are being told by their e-daddy that its brigading. They dont care about the bill they just want le ownage on an epic lolcow.

>>713730635
>First reference actually opens with the EU Commission's statement that the formal denomination of the agreement - i.e. whether it is classified as a contract for sale of digital content or for sale of access to a digital service - doesn't matter.
> Anon screams that the statement only applies to services.

You were dropped on the head when you were a kid, weren't you?

>>713728508
Yes, but i think "hatred" is too harsh a word to describe it. It's more like "Spite" rather than outright hatred. And it's funny.

Spiting the laws of nature got us where we are today, and we'll reach greater heights the more we do it.

>>713731178
lol you know emulators are legal right? At worst people should be able to reverse engineer private servers without fear of legal repercussions like they do with emulators

>>713731297
The original Fell For It Again Award

>>713731141
>why are you hammering loose nails with a hammer when you can just use your forehead?

>>713731173
I'm betting it will fail. Either way I win.
>it fails: I win the bet
>it doesn't fail: we all get game preservation

>>713731315
I have feelings that to post on Kiwi, you must be a lolcow yourself.

>>713731386
>nooooo how dare you use the system the way it's meant to be used

>>713731315
Jersh is for the petition? It seems like the sort of thing he would get behind. Also who doesn't want to se PirateSoftware be humiliated? He's the most insufferable egotistic prick there is

>>713731141
>enforcing something through legal means, putting the government on your side if companies try to screw you over
>doing something illegally, putting the government on the companies side, giving them free reign to fuck you over as they see fit
I swear people are too young to remember the movie and the music industry hammering everyone daily about piracy and all the stupid shit that came with them.

>>713731361
>emulators are legal
Anon there's a pretty fucking massive difference between writing your own code that mimics physical hardware and decompiling exposed code. Emulators are only legal when they're written from scratch without using any exposed code or documentation. If their construction involved either of those things they are very explicitly not legal.

By the same token you CAN write yourself a private server for some game or another as long as the work doesn't involve so much as looking at the documentation or attempting to decompile or hex-search the proprietary code. That's fine.

Asking companies to expose their code or build out their own middleware to replace middleware they can't legally expose themselves is a non-starter. So is banning the use of said middleware or private server architecture.

Like I said - the ask is too broad. No one would have said a bad word about this if it had just been "Publishers must disable simple online authentication checks when the ability to host authentication is lost"

>>713730875
>it just makes corporations seethe because they want games to be a "service" not a product
this

>>713730630
>>713730773
It's not about the text or intent of this regulation itself.
The regulation itself is perfectly fine if it existed in a vacuum, but it does not. It's one more point in a book of regulations that hinder small to mid enterprise. It's one more reason why you need to hire a lawyer to launch a video game instead of just telling Steam to upload your .exe.

And it's not like there are currently one million regulations for shit like games. There probably are less than 20 or something. Your one addition is a big fish in a pond. Again, it's one more reason a small coder would need to consult a lawyer before he can launch his game with online functionality. If there are like 2 regulations specific to video games then such a prospect doesn't automatically become "prudent", but if there are 20 regulations hiring the lawyer suddenly becomes prudent.
Do you not recognize the chilling effect this has on an open gamedev/business environment?

the most important installation bar you will ever see in your life

>"THIS WILL FORCE THE INDUSTRY TO STOP MAKING LIVE SERVICE GAMES"
I am signing the initiative.

>>713731798
Josh hates video games and anime because he's a feminist.

>>713731834
I remember when people pirated movies and music and it was so prevalent that it became the norm and was so easy that the companies basically gave up. This is what actually solves things

the most important installation progress bar you will ever see in your life

>>713731925
i could not care less if this regulation kills 1000 videogame developers dreams that were planning to make GaaS games, those subhumans can all burn in hell for all i care, total GaaS DEATH!

>>713705461
ok then, let sand ngers vote. after all they live where you are :^)

>>713732062
>only 44k today
Its so fuarkin over...

STOP HARASSING DETRACTERS
I NEED THERAPY
YOU HURT ME

>>713731958
based

>>713731851
>Asking companies to expose their code or build out their own middleware to replace middleware they can't legally expose themselves is a non-starter. So is banning the use of said middleware or private server architecture
Except they're not asking that hence why it's vague. You see the point here? There's an ton of ways to approach this problem. What you proposed is not only a complete waste of time but doesn't even reliable save as many games as one would hope.

>>713727601
>~0.22% of the populace
that's a disingenuous figure. minors, a huge portion of the demographic interested in this initiative, can't vote on it thanks to the 18+ age requirement, you faggot

>>713732164
It is pretty good. we still have two hours so i expect least 500-1000 signatures. so the drop is only 3k from yesterday.

>>713728683
Based (for us), cringe (for him)

>>713732232
>Except they're not asking that
oh hey look I'm fucking prescient:
>>713731178
>no it doesn't it just asks for things that require people to expose their code! we don't explicitly say they have to even though they will!
shut up retard

>>713732256
They really should let anyone over the age of 13 vote on it. It's simply unfair since they constitute a significant portion of players.

>>713732316
I refuse to hopepill until the number starts going up, and its going DOWN

>>713732330
>see the counter argument already exists for why it's vague but that doesn't count because it doesn't conform to what I think it means
Are you thor?

>>713731178
corpos put up their games and let them work offline
you don't see them bitching that people can boot up games offline, so why would they bitch about you being able to spin your own server?
I mean, if it was as catastrophic as you say, then offline single-player games would have ceased to exist long ago

>>713732256
Also women don't care about video games, so it eliminates 50% of the population.

>>713732062
All Yurobros, please do proliferate the initiative as much as reasonably as possible to
>your family
>friends
>coworkers
>communities you participate in
>other acquaintances
>online and IRL
This could potentially be one of the moments where being part of the EU has its honest-to-God merits
And your waifu becomes real if you get it signed as much as possible

>>713732164
it was 48% 2½ days ago, troon. kek. you have your bullet ready? i'd like to polish it.
even the bottom feeders have ramped up >>713548938

>>713732370
Same. I feel like it's over but at least the people that hate Pirate software will get a win out of it because everyone gets to dogpile him again. Which is nice for them. I was surprised to hear about Ross trying to get a deal with Heineken for adds in Europe but without someone big picking it up early and some initial bad press I'm gloomy over the prospects.

>>713729493
I kneel, copypasta worthy for every SKG or nepo thread.

>>713732316
If it's already dropping by 3-5k each day, then this will get stuck somewhere between 750k-900k.

>>713706917
>i'm a consumer and i don't want any rights
u gay

>>713732460
>DUHHHHHHHH
cool post bro

>>713732468
>you don't see them bitching that people can boot up games offline, so why would they bitch about you being able to spin your own server?
Again: if you can code your own server without stealing any of their shit that's find and dandy.
Companies don't want you stealing their shit.
Preventing you from having their shit on your computer at all is the best way to prevent you from decompiling and stealing their shit.
>If some companies want to use middleware or proprietary code they don't want exposed that means no company would ever want to release any locally-running software ever
That's a very stupid conclusion.

>>713731975
Yeah I suppose when you see things through a nostalgia goggles, you forget the random arrests, the ISPs spying on you and throttling your connection or outright denying you service, the ads everywhere, the birth of DRMs and other cancerous practices we still suffer from today, with various western countries today still having a stiff stance against piracy to protect companies.
At least doing it legally means no side effects and companies are the ones getting fucked.

>>713732796
Oh shit that same smug arrogance to when people challenge that your assumption of what something means or entails is not actually fact. You actually might be Thor or have his same brand of mental illness

>>713729493
Hey, you dropped this.

>>713732660
the Euro might as well repent and atone for killing our slav/eastern bros with abolishing Steam Euro Zones
>https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/STATEMENT_18_6626
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_19_2010

>>713733191
the names are highlighted to ask why two slav cucks initiated this shit and fucked their own country by ignoring purchasing parity between euro regions

>>713731034
It's an in-force EU directive, what are you talking about burgerbro?

Kill Games.

>>713729953
It's fits the model of an EU initiative on purpose. Yes. And they way you'd write would be wrong.

>>713730561
Hey everybody. This Indian is right wing! Don't you believe it?!