Remember when Fire Emblem had dignity?

No

Not really

Sensei demands Lysithea wear a micro bikini during class

Remember when it was going to die if Awakening didn’t do numbers?

Captcha: GR0AN

Why the fuck was Engage 10 steps back? It's fucking baffling.
Three houses was an anomaly.

>another schizo discord FE thread
Fuck you.

>>713706016
3H was devloped by Koei Tecmo, thats why its the only good FE

>>713704973 (OP)
you already made this thread >>713648930
is not paying the SBI extortion fee really making troons this pissy even years later?

>>713704973 (OP)
FUck you Engage you killed the series...

>>713704973 (OP)
I do. We had it so good, bros...

>>713706363
Man, Koei has really done well the last 10 years.

remember when OP spammed the catalog with FE threads to keep his shitty general going
>>713706107
>>713708078
>>713630193

>>713709564
huh?

>>713704973 (OP)
Yaaaas, we love 3 Houses. So inspiring to me and my queer friends

>>713704973 (OP)
When they still made new games?
Yes.

Engage was just ... not doing it for me with the callbacks to old games. FE3H seemed like something fresh for me.

>>713706363
Awakening is pretty good.
I haven't really played much of the others to know if they're as good, but I've heard that 3H kinda butchered the combat and awakening does sorta suggest that a bit.
Apparently the old ones are insanely complex and they dumbed them down? Huh?

>>713704973 (OP)
Engage is so much better than 3H

>>713711291
What the fuck is this image?

Is it better for your series to die with dignity or give up a bit for survival ie. awakening

>>713709283
Elly sex

>>713706016
3HRT was the one to do 10 steps back
Imagine going back to same turn reinforcements for no fucking reason
>inb4 nooooooooo stop bullying muh first FE game :,(

>>713711745
I'm not taking the bait.
Nope.
Not doing it.
I'm not doing it.
No.
Fuck off.

>>713712093
>game bad because muh favorite jewtuber said so
ok reddit

>>713711556
Our transbian queen <3

>>713711905
They gave you a troonwheel for a reason :^)

>>713712268
He's my Jewtuber, thank you.
You leave biz alone. He's MINE.

STUPID ANON.

>>713712396
But there is literally a transvestite in the game and he's not even in this pic kek.
And my wife.

>>713709564
The janny is a FE schizo who goes around other threads calling them /vg/ while also spamming his shitty FE (bumped by his tranny discord)
Of course the
>Cover + controversy
It's just nindians being paid to have as many Nintendo threads in the catalogue

>>713712093
I tried replaying 3H after Engage and I just couldn't stand it, everything is so clunky and ugly compared to Engage, it's just a huge downgrade

>>713711905
I've heard oldfags complaining for a while. I did play awakening (didn't finish it though so it's doing something wrong... though the plot and gameplay was better) and it did feel like the gameplay had been nerfed for 3H with a focus on the Persona social link system instead.

But the social links really cut it for me. So much shit actually happens 3H (though not much during the links sadly) that it shits on Persona.
>what if Persona was anime Game of Thrones and the battles were actually fun to play

>>713712396
BLACK EAGLEKEKS THIS IS YOUR HOUSE GEEEEEEEEEG

3H has teh second worst gameplay of the series after Valentia lmao

>>713713248
But it's just callouts to old games and the plot was boring... well of what I played of it.
And the gameplay was no better than fucking 100 Line (oh god that drove me nuts when I realised it wasn't going to change the gameplay after a while).

>>713713578
>gameplay was no better than fucking 100 Line
Nigger you're just objectively retarded, what the fuck are you talking about

>>713713558
I think the older games are overrated, but 3H isn't perfect either. All of it could use tweaking and new mechanics because it does get awfully repetitive at some point with all the games.

>>713713657
They game does FE... badly.
Nevermind...

>>713713681
The map direction alone makes houses bottom of the barrel shit behing even the GBA games, not to mention the difficulty is forever stuck between piss easy mode and "we literally didn't play test this maddening" mode, and yes the devs outright said they didn't play test maddening properly and just made sure you can beat it spamming divine pulse

>>713713895
>and yes the devs outright said they didn't play test maddening properly and just made sure you can beat it spamming divine pulse
Being a musoufag that hates the course KT has taken after W3U, it does not surprise me in the slightest.

>>713704973 (OP)
Pic unrelated.

>>713704973 (OP)
>>713630193
You already have a general
Sage

>>713713895
Yeah, but the conflict between Edel and shit is just so fun.
I do the gameplay kinda lets the game down a bit.

But I played older games, the narrative wasn't that interesting at all. In fact I think 3H does better and gives you a lot of options. I just wish more decisions had consequences.
... but not like 100 Line. Don't do that.

>>713714080
That a fates thread.

>>713714097
Sorry storyfag, this is a gameplaychad board

>>713704973 (OP)
Nothing with the cancer known as (((bisexual))) representation had a semblance of dignity.
Avoid any video game series with at least one installment featuring that garbage.

>>713714197
would you be happier if it was outright faggots and lesbians?

>>713714192
But if I wanted to talk about glorified chess, I'd go to a chess thread.
This is an Edelgard worship thread. Behead those that insult Edelgard.

>>713714274
Yes, heterosexual characters are also okay.

>>713714197
Thanks for the list of games to try because conservative closeted faggots couldn't stand two girls tonguing each other because they are GAY.

>reminder that Goring was a massive literal faggot, like most on the right

>>713714461
But there's nothing wrong with lesbians.

>>713714376
>bisexuals are evil
>only hardo gays, full yuri or hetero
What a retardedly complex position.

>>713714461
>conservative closeted faggots
so true transbian xister

>>713714572
I misinterpreted.
Apparently hardo gays are ok to him.
Just not bi.

Sexuality segregation! No sexuality homogenization? kek

we're not going to back to shitty gameplay
videogame part>gay and irrelevant story, characters etc

Marriage with Marianne!

>>713704973 (OP)
Fire Emblem had dignity?

Can't we just have a normal FE thread for once without ragebait?

>>713714835
the op is literally ragebeait and you came in and posted anyway

>>713714748
I just liked them trying at least to do some more complex narrative shit.
That makes the gameplay a little more engaging to me at least.

Not that I hate 3H, but Conquest and Engage are the two best FE games. Period.

>>713714351
>underground tunnel jews torture and experiment on her
>this is definitely dragon jesus's fault
>teams up with her abusers
Woman moment

>>713714192
>Gameplaychad
No one buys that anymore. The relay threads exposed you all for the frauds you are.

>>713714835
FE threads are nothing but astroturfing ragebait though. You came here to actually talk about FE? What are you doing?
Only Chinese game threads get this treatment. Not these threads.

>>713714974
But it's so funny.
Crazy shit like that happens constantly in it and it's great.

>>713714995
I am not subjecting myself to playing with fucking retards, I rather be the one playing my videogames myself

>>713714956
Engage sucked and Conquest is just Rev with a different coat of paint.

>>713715172
so true normal/casual player

>>713704973 (OP)
Trash gameplay, mediocre story. Engage had much better gameplay, better maps, so it's better.

I like how Awakening, Fates and 3 Houses revived what I considered a dead franchise for a long time.
Engage nearly killed all of that momentum.

>>713715172
You clearly haven't played both Conquest and Revelation. They did everything wrong with Rev gameplaywise

>>713704973 (OP)
>New Vegas, Sonic Mania, and Three Houses were made by different devs than the parent company
>Fallout New Vegas mogs 4
>Sonic Mania mogs Forces
>Three Houses mogs Engage
How does this keep happening?

>>713715342
>better maps
3 Houses had god awful maps but I tolerated it because it was my first FE and it had other things going for it.
It's just the same pool of maps over and over again for a hefty amount of the grinding between main maps.
Then again, awakening just ended up being the 1 singular grind map for me and that kinda made me stop playing it.

The grinding in these games... not good.

>>713704973 (OP)
>Rip off Romance of the Three Kingdoms
>Only do it shittier
No.

>>713715481
>The character design that killed all good will.
A shame Fire Emblem had a real shot of becoming a B list franchise after Houses, then Engage went and threw back in the D tier.

>>713715809
>Dynasty Warriors
Musous fucking suck.
God damn, I am so mad they did that for 3 Hopes. Was looking forward to it, but for some reason I never found out it was musou until last minute, then I had heard the trainwreck plot wasn't even worth it.

I was baited with Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity.
Never again will I even try a musou. That was so fucking annoying to play.

>>713716239
>Musous fucking suck.
they used to be good and have actual depth, funnily enough
back during the ps2 era in fact, and it just so happens musouslop went to shit when they dumbed it down for normalniggers and started focusing on making the story a telenovela for normalfags
you know, like what happened with 3H

>>713713427
Awakening gameplay is pretty ass too. If you found it more complex than 3H, your mind would be blown by anything legitimately good.

>>713716128
It's not like it couldn't work, it just had all these absurd callback characters so it didn't feel like a proper game to me. And after just having played 3 Houses I was kinda pumped for a fresh game to get... yaaaay our anniversary celebration game. I was kinda pissed, not gonna lie. It sold poorly too and I can see why. There must have been the same sort of audience like me eager for new stuff, maybe gameplay more like awakening but with more plot shenanigans like 3 Houses. Awakening didn't have a bad plot, but 3 Houses just did something. I'm not sure what (whether it was the cheesy slice of life shit or just the game of thrones thing).

>>713716405
I have heard early Dynasty was better, but still that one game burned me off them for good.
Shame cause Astor was kinda fun too in that game as a villain.

>>713716742
DW is on a weird position because 1 was not musouslop, 2 and 3 were mediocre, and it only started getting decent by 5 and 6, with 7 being again bad and signaling the beginning of the end, 8 being average, and 9 being utter garbage.
Samurai warriors is also a complete mess with each entry having a different and completely unique dealbreaker flaw.
Quite possibly their only exception to the issues is warriors orochi, 1 was pretty good if a bit lacking, 2 was great, 3 (ultimate) was legitimately the best game they ever made, and 4 went straight into being complete goyslop.

>>713716556
I might’ve been more accepting of the nostalgia gimmicks, because IS has so throughly milked nostalgia gimmicks to death I just turn off any game that has them. And it was intended for new players too, what new player is going to know anyone outside Marth, Roy, Ike, Lucina, Corrin, and Byleth. Engage was just one giant pile of bad ideas.

>>713704973 (OP)
why do all these FE threads have the exact same opening posts? Is this a bot?

>>>/vg/

>/v/ is finally calling out shitposting discord FE general threads
Finally you slow fucks.

>>713717171
The callback characters were literally the only reason I stopped playing. It just felt like an ad at that stage. You get enough of that shit with the wildcard characters you often get in FE. But in Engage they have entire cutscenes and plot points... well I assume they do because I just stopped playing after playing a couple hours and seeing some of them.

>>713717197
Because coffee is good for you.
90% of threads are like this nowadays. I don't even read them, kek.

>>713717448
>>713717496
But /vg/ sucks and the other threads on /v/ are even worse.
>Expedition 33

Let's face it, you're only angry because your game is being shilled off the front page and you need quotas to fill.
Me though? I just come here to talk about the fucking game because I'm bored and because I can.

>>713717525
>90% of threads are like this nowadays
outside of Dall-e threads, no, they aren't.
So you're saying that you're a general on the same level as the AI sloppa ones?

>>713717638
Go back to >>>/vg/

>E33 out of nowhere
Obsessed

>>713717642
>outside of Dall-e threads, no, they aren't.
Now I know you're just trolling for your own fucking game. Fuck off. Don't like these threads? Don't post here then.

Oh wait, maybe edelgard just triggers jews or some shit. Maybe that's why. What's the bet it's that dumb?

>>713717762
So you admit your threads are on the same level as actual AI generals, grim.

>>713717719
So it is E33 Tencent shilling that is mad about another thread offering competition.
Fuck off.

I know this because you do this in ALL fucking threads that aren't E33 nowadays.

>>713717841
Whole fucking board is nowadays if you've seen the sharty leaks.
Place is a chink and jew controlled shitfest.

>>713717841
Arguably they are worse
People in AI threads don't make the same 10 posts over and over again. Meanwhile that's all FEfags do.

>>713717936
Alright, give me an example of one of these threads.

I haven't posted in a FE thread for fucking months.

>>713717843
No you schizophrenic moron, I'm telling you to go back to your shithome >>>/vg/ meds, take them now.

You are clogging the fucking board every single day with FE threads it's legit mental illness. If it wasn't for the fact that none of our jannies or mods care you would have been booted a long time ago.


>>>/vg/

>>713716239
I'm not talking about Dynasty Warriors you absolute fucking pleb from the neolithic era. I'm talking about Romance of the Three Kingdoms.

>>713717936
what does this image even mean?
>marketing cant

>>713718067
You literally space your faggot post with redditfaggot spacing.
Fuck off newfaggot shill pajeet.
You faggots need to be nuked immediately.

>>713718241
>REEE MUH REDDIT SPACING
Concession accepted bot.

>>713718129
I'm not playing a game from fucking 1985 when a more modern spinoff exists.
>trust me, tetris will never be beaten!
Ok old man.

>>713704973 (OP)
yes

I hate 3Htrannies so much it’s unreal, I can’t even go to the boorus without having to see their faggot garbage.

>>713718287
Say faggot then.
Prove you're not a bot.

>he won't be able to

>>713718412
Kys nigger.

>>713718358
>REEEE MY GENSHIN IMPACT ISN'T ON THE FRONT PAGE REEEE

>>713718358
Edelgard and male Byleth will kiss each other, and then people of their same gender, and you will like it.

>>713718319
Nice job outing yourself as a newfag. Go ahead and google romance of the three kingdoms some more so you can realize how shitty your post really is. I'll wait.

>>713718452
Ayo, das raciss.
Now say nigger FAGGOT.
I don't know why, but these people refuse to say faggot or even kike but can always say other slurs.

>>713718358
Just filter 3H so real FE appears

>>713704973 (OP)
Sorry bro, more moeshit googoogaga stories for you

I need to replay Three Houses. Such a great game

>>713718581
I looked it up.
It looks shit.
Ok it looks alrightish, but why I am I smelling Total War?

>>713712396
Dorosex

>>713718671
Imagine having this faggot shit saved in your PC lmao.

>>713718678
>Total War
KYS Musou pleb

>>713709127
>Engage
you meant 3H since it was this game that opened the gates to faggots and trannies to invade and fuck the series.

>>713718671
Higher-res version:
https://x.com/Kawells00/status/1188854824189644800

>>713718821
I’m a faggot tranny and have been playing Fire Emblem since before it had english releases, I haven’t played any of the new games since Awakening and Fates

>>713709283
>gets kidnapped and put in a scenario straight out of a bad doujin
>Nintendo censors it to try and make it less like she was assaulted
>it ends up looking even worse
I miss Maiko

>>713718775
Not even gonna lie I've had a bunch of blue lions art saved for years and didn't realize until I posed it that it was definitely drawn by a woman or gay guy. Still not bad art though

>>713718775
women and trannies are just like that.

>>713713187
Was Griffin in Berserk trans?

>>713718775
Well that's why you are called FE faggots for a reason lmao

The worst part about the state of the franchise right now is that it doesn't even matter if the next game is more like 3H or Engage, it's guaranteed to have more hub cancer inbetween maps.

>>713717197
Because rage bait is how you get threads going nowadays.

>>713718797
Is it just musou?
Fuck off then. It's trash.

>>713719035
>I’m a faggot tranny
I wanna say "what is this false flag" but it's so blunt that I want to believe it's not.

>>713706016
Koei Tecmo GODS should start a SRPG franchise.

>>713711905
Same turn reinforcments are based.

>>713704973 (OP)
I do, but you weren't around for it

>>713720516
But it’s in 3H therefore it’s le bad because 3H le bad!

>>713714974
Edelgard wants both the moles and dragons gone, but she needs the help of one of them to take the other down.

>>713720570
Rekt

>>713715693
>grinding in these games... not good
>grinding
>FE
Well, to be fair, the series originally didn't have that so the devs probably have no idea to make it bearable.

Echoes is the only good FE of the last 15 years

>>713721003
>fanbase unanimously agrees that Gaiden is the black sheep of the franchise for years
>take the maps and gameplay and barely change anything but cover it up by making it look and sound pretty
>suddenly has people saying it's good

Echoes is the most accurate analogy for a polished turd in vidya

>>713721257
The fresh coat of paint is just THAT good.

>>713721257
Nobody but me played Gaiden before Echos existed.

>>713719310
Yuri isn't an antagonist and he's apparently been fighting the hard fight the other time. His appearance might be literally how he did it. I thought that made a bit of sense, like with how Griffith did with his appearance. It was kinda nice how his appearance actually had more gusto than:
>I look this way merely because I wanted to be like this
From memory he implied he sold his body to men to gain favours right? I was male MC and I swear he literally insinuated that. Been a while though. Can't remember it that well.

I like how subtle he is when bowing to Rhea. He's in complete submission to her merely because he feels he has lost all other means of leverage. But, he just has this stern formality around her like he's biding his time to strike. Maybe I'm just reading too much into shit though.

I thought Hubert would do this with Edelgard though.
Or Claude with Rhea and the other House leaders (apparently he does in the musou... but I just couldn't do musou again).
I just didn't expect characters to be done this well in this sort of game. I expected Persona 5 tier which is nothing but cheese with no subtlety.
Yuri is the best one for me though. There's a lot of complex shit in the background you will never know about, so he becomes this enigma that you're never comfortable with. You feel like he might stab you in the back for crumbs, or he might be completely faithful. Truly pokerfaced. The androgyny adds to that feeling too of "facade".

>>713704973 (OP)
Yeah, I remember the pre-Awakening days too. Miss them. I should have bought Radiant Dawn and Shadow Dragon to support true FE. I was just too butthurt that Miciah was a protag instead of Ike (before hearing you'd recruit him anyway) and that the sprites in SD looked ugly.

>>713720985
...
are you not meant to?
I am an FE pleb.

>>713705192
/thread

>>713706016
An anomaly in that it brought the most retarded personafags into the fanbase, maybe.

>>713706363
>>713706016
What kind of nonsense is this? 3H isn't bad but lmao, to call it the only good FE? Nigger, it's filled with so much tedious garbage. Maps were also on the weaker side, and the multiple HP bar enemies were cringe. It's too messy. Engage is fun and pretty, and has fun maps - it's a completely different thing.

Plenty of old FEs are good, whether it's the SNES or GBA entries. The map-to-map design infinitely better than the grindy, tedious shit between chapters - plus the cancer that is a traversible world map. Gaiden shit should remain an experiment and nothing more.

When did the Three Houses vs Engage arguments start when Engage had so much gameplay improvements over Three Houses that it's not even funny?

>>713722009
The ones with infinite (or close to that) grinding are, well were, a minority:
Gaiden (Echoes)
Sacred Stones
Awakening
Fates Birthright and Revelations
Never played 3H, so I don't know
Engage
All other games in the series didn't allow that.

>>713721895
I'm not gonna lie, Ike and Marth being spammed in Smash put me off Fire Emblem for a long time. In fact it put me off Smash too.

>who the fuck are all these characters
>oh it's just ads for them now

Nowadays this is a feature on smash. Fucking Christ.
That and they nerfed Kirby hard post n64. He was supreme and they butchered my boy.

>>713713427
I played 3HRT before Persona 4 and was shocked by how many ideas from the later were just lazily ripped and tossed into the former with zero consideration for why it worked or effort put into making it work. Comparing their social sim hubs alone illustrates just how dog shit the Persona elements of 3HRT are.

>>713722496
I can totally agree with that. For me though, its the awakening characters that have blown up the FE roster. One single entry shouldn't have so many characters.

I was also a 64 Kirby main and what they did to my boy killed me.

>>713722419
It did seem like some things were improved.. but not enough to counter the cheese of the throwback characters. If you're gonna have Ike and Marth, just do their fucking timeline or whatever and make another game. I would have played that fine.
It was just how they did it in engage. It felt more like Smash for me.

>>713722496
Smash has always been a shilling vehicle.

>>713722420
Awakening (I think I had the difficulty up) had ridiculous grinding for me.

>>713722787
It is now. Not with N64. It felt like they really wanted to make a proper battle royale game back then. Melee kinda nailed it better, but I never had a GC.

After that they fucked up the controls and everything in the game so it just became a mere ad.

>>713723015
Brawl was the beginning of the end because fucking Snake opened the floodgates for 3rd party bullshit.
Fuck Kojima.
At least Sonic had a longtime connection with Nintendo via Sega rivalry.

>>713722507
I kinda agree the social thing wasn't perfect, but then the way it was done with stats and how it affected the main plot was ok.
Plus it was fun slice of life.
Not that you care. Anything you don't like is HRT apparently, so your opinion is already invalid.

>>713723169
I remember as a kid playing brawl and thinking "these controls feel fucking bad". Turns out, they indeed had fucked with the code and it lost all of the punch the controls had with Melee and n64. I just didn't know why it felt shit at the time. I went back to n64 smash instead with friends, who seemed to agree thought we never verbalised it... we just went back to n64 kek.

>>713722419
The artstyle and gameplayfags deciding to get revenge on 3Hfags for Edelgard discourse by mercilessly bullying them created a lot of ill will for Engage.

>>713723748
And rightly so, behead those who insult Edelgard.
Especially STUPID DRAGON.

>Monastery? they should call it the Morgue instead, since everyone's interest in the game died there!
>OHOHOHOHOH!

>>713723015
>Not with N64.
Adult Link based on OoT beta shit.
Yoshi content based on Yoshi's Story. And etc.
Smash has always shilled whatever was new for Nintendo when it was being developed.

>>713704973 (OP)
pic unrelated?

Well /v/?

>>713723220
>He's this offended by a word

>>713723996
Yeah but I played this in like 2001 for the first time so I didn't know any of that shit.

Anyway, it was better than things like mortal combat. For starters, you could play with FOUR players instead of just 2 for PS1/PS2 games.
Xbox kinda fucked that up eventually.

>>713724178
No I'm offended by you using troons as a way to slander my wife's game, faggot..

>>713724117
>awakening
Sorcerer main
+Luck for that merc skill that lets you not use up weapon usages
-Strength
>fates
Ninja main
+Speed
-Res

>>713724117
>Awakening
+Speed -Luck
>Fates
+Magic -Str or +Speed -Magic, depending on build

>>713714197
wow thats insane that you chuds track this. ur obsessed

>>713724471
Not that anon but playersexual romances suck. Let characters be straight.

>>713722419
Because all the newfags that TH brought in hate gameplay that forces you to think, they're here for the social shit and juggernauting through every map and getting mad over the like 3 maps in TH that don't let you beat them like that

>Guys what if the next FE had good gameplay and story?
I don’t want that, I want gameplayfags to be mad.

>3HRT's
>good story
Go make a s0ichamp when Byleth becomes super saiyan or cry when he falls intro a hole for 5 years

>>713724606
Actually, I hated the repeated maps.
Playing awakening after this and it had new maps nearly every time kinda mad me made about the lack of maps in 3 Houses. Clearly the dialogue trees were taking up most of the company's time and resources. I can that being a big problem. But I respected the attempt to do what they did with that.

>>713722419
Engage vs 3H is just the continuation of Fates vs 3H, just with a newer game (that for a lot of fans is just Fates 2 anyway) and more mindbreak since you can't just chalk up 3H sales to just the Switch effects.
And that argument is really 2 arguments, gameplayfags vs story/lore/charactersfags and what kind of anime you like.

>>713724549
I disagree, if you do gay, go all in and full degen otherwise it feels cheap.
Even cyberpunk goes cheap. Devs just are uncomfortable with programming that shit. I understand completely though kek.

>>713724606

>>713724675
Why did you post a game with bad story?

>>713724606
>Because all the newfags that TH brought in hate gameplay that forces you to think
Anon, english speaking fans started FE with the games that can be solved by giving you paladin a hand axe or javelin and parking him in front of all the enemies.
FEfags have allways been storyfags first and foremost. As are most RPGfags.

>>713725145
But he didn't post three houses

>>713725020
That's not going all in though, making everyone bisexual without writing unique gay romances means the writing has to be vague and avoid anything related to sex dynamics within the relationship. It makes the writing feel shallow and impersonal.

>>713724606
How does it feel knowing that a Camillafag busted your anti-juggernaut narrative.

>>713725145
Because it was a fitting pic

>>713725171
No, because we were all taught that EXP theifs like Marcus were bad, so we didn't use him back then.
But we still used Pent, Hawkeye, Harken, etc so whatever lol

>>713718821
>posts the only CYL in the last several years to NOT have LGBT characters
You could have picked 4 or 6, or 7 or 8 or 9, but you picked 5?

Am I the only one who evenly levels up all units and tries to use all units?

>>713725184
>Implying 3H is the only FE with bad writing

>>713725548
Can you even name a FE with good writing?

>>713725546
Sadly, many FE games don't allow that.

>>713704973 (OP)
Not killing 3H discourse was the worst thing Engage did.

>>713725675
Well to do that you have to be interesting first, Engage just wasn’t.

Do you think Nintendo would ever entertain the idea of a "FE Maker" style game? Where they just give a bunch of assets from previous games like Fates or Three Houses/Engage and let players string together their own little mini campaigns with existing or custom characters?

I feel like this would be a super easy way to print money, but they might be afraid of having people constantly compare fan maps to main game maps. But it's not like Mario Maker killed off interest in Mario Platformers, right?

>>713725503
Has anyone done some digging into how that bullshit originated anyway?

>>713725675
Engage was proof that you can't JUST have good gameplay to be a good FE game.
It relies on having likable characters.

>>713725485
>The cheating camilla faggot that abused save states and got stopped by staff savant maids.
Sure you told me buddy.

post yfw this started playing:

>https://youtu.be/xW3oaIVSZzQ?feature=shared

>>713725546
What do you mean, all units? Like enough to fill the average deploy limit, sure.

I'm not saying 3H was perfect, but it sold super well and it lured in a lot of new players and fans, for better and for worse. Its success can't be denied: it had decent characters, surprisingly good voice acting, great music, some maps were pretty good, it made pervs and fujo cream their pants with the teacher/students dynamic, the world and politics were well fleshed out etc. Compare it to the slop Engage was and you can see why no one talks about Fire Emblem anymore.

>>713725786
I mean, not letting prepromotes take too much exp from your investment projects is still fairly sound advice for most average players. Not everyone plays for efficiency or low turn counts. But also people underestimate how much exp is available in most games, and that you're probably gonna bench/replace a lot of early units anyway so it doesn't matter that much.

>>713725456
Yeah I kinda agree. Yuri was especially an opportunity for something more genuine ay given his background. Instead it's just kinda the same as other bi options.

Hopefully you will like a new shitty hub world filled with chores and side quest or you will softlock, written by Nami Komuro of course.

>>713706016
Funny way of spelling Awakening

>>713725813
This. Good gameplay and maps help a lot, sure, but if your main character looks like a Pepsi commercial, the plot is abysmal, and the music forgettable at best, it's not going to be a good experience.

>>713725813
I mean you could back in the old days, FE3, FE5, and FE6 all have a ton of characters that barely have 2 lines. Not anymore though, that's not what a lot of people come to FE for, especially in the West. And I'm not even saying it's a newfag thing, this has been happening since RD stripped away supports and SD dialed back on everything but the core mechanics.

>>713726228
>the gifts
I dislike this mechanic in these social sim games because they're never clear what the gift should be and it ends up being guess and check and it's just not satisfying nor realistic.
>yeah just buy the bitch a flower, then she'll be on board!
Maybe if you gave them money instead. kek

>>713709564
>10 years of garbage

>>713725601
Their are only two levels of FE writing.
>Shit
>Serviceable

>>713726352
I can even ignore the pepsi designs and other designs on this one.
If people just wanted the RAW gameplay, then Advance Wars would still be alive.
But people don't just want the gameplay. They also want stories with characters that they like.

>>713726474
But there was some kino in 3 Houses.
Though maybe because my expectation was serviceable, it just felt better than normal for anime bullshit.

>>713714835
If your franchise died a hero and didn’t live long enough to become a

>>713726382
Most of the gifts are obvious, but a few are fucky.
Like, Bernadetta has two gifts that you wouldn't guess were hers unless you did her Sylvain support or waited until post-timeskip and did her paralogue with Petra. Otherwise, you wouldn't know she writes or takes care of plants as her hobbies.

>>713726581
3H's writing is a gem encrusted turd.

Go read a book or play sony shit retarded storyfags

>>713726692
They did. It's why Engage only sold 1/3rd of what 3H did, despite riding 3H's coattails.

>>713726523
Well dude, the game "what if the chess pieces actually mattered to you if they disappeared suddenly?" The social aspect is core to the game really. And that's what I liked about 3 Houses. Sure it's not done perfectly, but it did at least make the chess pieces seem like something more than chess pieces.
Or, as in Edel's case, like they deserved to be mere pawns for the great Edelgood of purging STUPID DRAGON.

>>713725485
The caveat being that in order to juggernaut in conquest you'd actually have to think and plan classes/skills accordingly whereas juggernauting in 3H can be achieved simply by playing the game normally with regular exp progression and with almost every unit in the roster.

>>713726684
Well that's better than polished turd at least.
I don't think it's that bad. I've played a lot of VNs, it's definitely better than a fuck tonne of VNs and games from Japan. And it's not hyper-conservative like western dialogue. Or just ... shit like Chinese dialogue (exception: 1000x Resist has great dialogue).

>>713715481
>Engage nearly killed all of that momentum.

Good, hopefully we get another pre-awakening era

>>713726354
Kaga's games stillshowcase a general trend upwards in story and characterization with every game. And of course, you have to take into consideration that back then having a story was much more of a premium.

>>713726523
This is true. Importance of systems is in priority of:
Characters >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gameplay > Story

Three Houses did so well largely because of all the marketing around choosing which class fit you the best before release. Bitches are crazy for things like personality tests or Harry Potter house selection type shut. Fates did well with this concept with the Hoshido versus Nohr stuff too.

If the next game markets its characters well and has some "choose your favorite" ginmick, I swear it will sell well even if it's Engage 2.

>>713716128
Once a C-tier franchise always a C-tier franchise

>>713726771
To be fair, economy wasn't (and still isn't) in great shape by Engage so maybe that was another factor. That and it was still only on the switch.

>>713727019
>another pre-awakening era
Oh joy, more Radiant Dawn and New Mystery. Everyone's favorite FE games.
And now written by Nami Komuro!

>>713715481
Always funny how Echoes is always ignored

>>713727251
Yes, those are my favorite FE games.

>>713727156
>Three Houses did so well largely because of all the marketing around choosing which class fit you the best before release.
Nah, the big turning point was the final trailer, which revealed the timeskip and showed the contrast in the characters, especially Dimitri.
Not every FE game needs a timeskip, but having the characters progress as characters really helped.

>>713726692
The Famicom had several VNs.

>>713726523
>>713726352
>If people just wanted the RAW gameplay, then Advance Wars would still be alive.
AW plays nothing like FE you turbo retard, the example of a gameplay heavy/story lean FE would be 3/new mystery and despite suffering on ugly DS hell new mystery turbo shits all over most storyfag FE games on quality.
The popularity argument is just an appeal to normalfags like as if a game has to be popular to be good or as if shit games don't get popular (see nuCod and the endless shitty fifas)

>>713727251
Yes, those are good games with good gameplay.

>>713727019
Yeah, let's go back to characters that are mere chess pieces, lifeless, bland.
What is the point of Fire Emblem at that stage?
At least 3 Houses got what made Fire Emblem click - the camaraderie and working as a team to overcome evil while being on an adventure with your comrades.
If I wanted mere pawns I'd play total war.

Maybe gayden demake should sell 1 million when it mattered

>>713727374
It was the turning point for hardcore FE fans who were worried it was only going to be a school sim and nothing more but normies and women would have still bought it based on the school part alone.

I played as female Byleth and married Yuri (I'm male)

If characters and artstyle and story matter more than gameplay, why didn't Echoes sell well? Checkmate storyfags.

>>713716239
And now they’re shitting out another one with Age of Imprisonment, goddamn is Nintendo out of touch, should’ve been a Xenoblade Warriors sure but it’s understandable if people are Mosou Fatigued

>>713726809
>>713727156
You newfags should just go back to your persona shit. FE didn't have the "social aspect" until 6 entries in and even the GBA entries it's really subdued. Faggots like you didn't start getting pandered to until the 3Ds games and even the the flood of tourist storyfags didn't happen until houses

>>713727593
Why? Yuri is a bislut.

>>713727417
Popularity usually leads to sales, and sales usually leads the direction of a franchise.
Cry about normies not liking your favorite FE game all you want, but most players want games like 3H. So hopefully we get that but with more polish.
Ask yourself: Would you rather have 3H with Engage's gameplay, or Engage with 3H's writing?

>>713727417
Commas are a very important tool...

>>713727619
Echoes has some of the worst writing in the series, what are you talking about?
>Alm, Fernand just betrayed us! He was angry that we didn't have a nobleman as our leader, despite him seeing you pick up the Nobleman-Only Sword we found! You must fulfill your destiny as a commoner by actually being the secret chosen one prince!

>radiant dawn
>good gameplay

>>713727473
Then go away and don't come back, no one needs storyfags here
>>713726771
Go gobble up cod and fifa slop if you're so desperate to play best sellers normgroid

>>713727619
>a remake of one of the most obsecure games released on a dead console with no shipping
And it still managed to sell more than Samus Returns.

>>713727523
>normies
Of course these "hardcore" fans are newFAGS.
Why can't you niggers just let us talk about the game instead of trying groom us into liking your shit instead?

>>713717197
> Is this a bot?

FE threads ALWAYS have bots in them that talk about Marriage and Cutesy something something, they are worse than Sonic and Pokémon autists

>>713727619
Echoes has good presentation, not story.

I KEEP ALMOST STARTING 3 HOUSES AS MY FIRST FIRE EMBLEM BUT THIS STUPID FUCKING FANBASE CAN NEVER DECIDE ON SOMETHING. IT'S EITHER THE BEST GAME OR THE WORST GAME. AND NOW I HEAR THE SERIES IS JUST A DATING SIM.

I'M JUST GOING TO PLAY XCOM 2 INSTEAD

>>713727841
Guy you're replying to. Genuinely what the FUCK are you talking about?

>>713727593
>not male Byleth
>marriage with Yuri
Sacrilege.
He even grows out his hair to be your malewife.

>>713727662
storyfags were always there anon
why do you think the horse roadtrip simulator was so popular?

>>713727718
>Popularity usually leads to sales, and sales usually leads the direction of a franchise.
Known static/trend chasing franchise fire emblem, if 3HRT babs don't know about the absolute schizophrenia nature of FE they're in for a rude awakening

>>713727662
You're trying too hard anon. Waifu-Emblem was a thing all the way back when the original FE7 released in the west and fans were obsessed with Lyn and other characters. I was there arguing with all the faggots shipping Raven/Lucius because that was the type of character shit that always stuck with people more than which maps were well designed or not. I participated in all the conversations about how Eliwood was such a wet blanket Lord compared to based gigachad Hector, and people confused about where Roy and Marth were. FE in the west was always about the character front and center from the start.

What the hell can't I marry Rhea in Verdant Wind? Is the only reason to play that joke route really God Shattering Star?

>>713725813
This, so much this. Characters are what make or break video games. It’s like Tomb Raider, the games controls are wretched but people played it for Lara. I hate FFX with a passion which I’ll admit has an amazing battle system, but I hate almost all of the cast. Or Megaman X7 which has plenty of reasons to hate it, but the first two things that always come out about it was how it made X into a whiny bitch or how much people hate Axl.

>>713727918
Do you like visual novels with minimal/bad gameplay? You'll love it
Do you like actually well thought out strategy games? Steer clear. Simple as

>>713727918
Opposite for me, absolute zero desire to play 3H and I dropped my Xcom 2 playthrough.

>>713728156
>>713727989
Been there and been pandered to are completely different things. Putting it another way: you can enjoy FE skipping literally all the story and character shit up till the DS games. After that the waifu stuff took over but we still got good gameplay (well, conquest did)
Go and try playing Houses skipping the story stuff, it's like dragging your balls on glass

>>713728117
Basically any time an FE game gets made, the very next game made after is a direct followup. It's why we saw so many duologies. But this time, 3H and Engage were made at the same time. A smart company would do a followup of 3H, but IS are also retards.

>>713728156
Pretty sure shipping goes as far back as FE3, considering I've heard of Navarre/Ogma being a popular ship back then (also fits with Kaga saying that Seliph dismounting was put in because for the female fans)

>>713727662
>FE didn't have the "social aspect" until 6 entries in
So they didn't get FE until 6 entries in and oldfags are retards that didn't get it. Good to know.
Go play total war then. It won't be as satisfying despite the chess board being significantly more detailed, better and without turns.

There's a reason why FE has it's niche and the gameplay is just a small part of it. It's the moves and the mechanics for each individual character AND getting to know them and their style. Their characteristics that make them unique while carrying on an adventure with them.

FE with just pawns would be fucking boring dude.
It's like the Dragon Quest where you just have archetype characters instead of real companions you learn about.
Imagine Chrono Trigger like that. It would be so fucking boring.

>>713727829
Enjoy having literally no fucking game then and just chess then.
Without the adventure, what is this game?

Awakening did that very well btw.

>>713728182
No, you can't. Rhea S-rank is exclusive to SS, and you have to reach A-rank with her before the timeskip

>>713728452
You can easily skip te story and enjoy 3H.
A lot of players love growth units, so an entire army of those already has natural appeal.

>>713725860
I mean I do every side mission/repeat mission with units not leveled up to the MC's level.

>>713728510
Now you're just trying too hard

>>713727829
>normgroid
Oh it's the fucking Sharty troll again.
Fuck off.

>>713728504
>Navarre/Ogma
Don’t forget Palla/Minerva

>>713727662
>FE didn't have the "social aspect" until 6 entries in
Genealogy was and still is one of the most popular games in Japan solely because of the romance aspect.

>>713728761
I hope all you jews get gassed.

>>713728504
Doujins aren't game mechanics.

>>713728729
This is a completely delusional take that ignores the absolute dogshit pacing caused by the monastery and calendar systems, the fact that all units are samey as fuck because classes bump your stats permanently, the fact fliers are so ridiculously broken they make the game a joke, the fact the maps are one step removed drom gaiden tier, among other gameplay issues.
There's a reason the only thing every talk about is characters and story, the fanbase is a bunch of normal/casual tumblrites

>>713728950
>he forgot that FE4 got TWO official manga runs where the writers actively fought across runs about which pairings they wanted to be canon
Which character was just completely omitted again? Beowulf, I think? Just because the writer didn't like him being paired with Ayra or whatever?

>>713728729
This is a completely delusional take that ignores the absolute dogshit pacing caused by the monastery and calendar systems, the fact that all units are samey as fuck because classes bump your stats permanently, the fact fliers are so ridiculously broken they make the game a joke, the fact the maps are one step removed drom gaiden tier, among other gameplay issues.
There's a reason the only thing every talk about is characters and story, the fanbase is a bunch of normal/casual tumblrites who don't care about tje bad gameplay because they basically play the game in auto mode

>>713729023
No one is going to disagree with you that Three Houses has shit class balance and maps.
But the point is still that it has a ton of popularity and is still discussed today because people were obsessed with the characters and the 2deep4me church bad story.

>>713729023
>>713729124
Damn, you're that mad?

>>713728739
You've got retarditis.

>>713728729
Echoes having low growths across the board might be why it didn't sell well then

Why is the Fire Emblem fanbase, particularly the Three Houses vs Engage part of it, so fucking insufferable?
Holy shit.
I have enjoyed every single Fire Emblem game I've played. They were all good. They were not different enough so that you could love one and ABSOLUTELY hate another one, that's fucking retarded.

>>713729272
Which goes back my point about houses being shitty videogame no matter how much normalfags gobble it up.
Fact is fire emblem is not dying anytime soon, with even engage selling ok despite what shitposters may tell you. Even if it goes back to being a more obscure series chances are the gameplay will be consistently good (IS developed FE like fates and Engage have good gameplay) while the story may suffer (Koei is not likely coming back). If being obscure is what saves the series from more shitty gameplay like houses then it'll be better off filtering away all the mouth breathing retards that entry and it's shitty gameplay brought with it.

>>713729516
I like 8 the most, so my observation is simply that Engagefags are mad that their game didn't take off.

>>713729592
>Engage fags are to blame for the shitty 3H shitpost OP
Nice mental gymnastics

>>713729592
Why the fuck would they care if it """takes off"""
The game was made
It can be played

>>713729516
>They were not different enough so that you could love one and ABSOLUTELY hate another one
They are and you saying this proves to me you haven't played many at all. FE4 plays nothing like FE7.

>>713729650
>Why the fuck would they care if it """takes off"""
Same as everyone; justify their tastes.
If Engage outsold 3H 2:1, we'd see Engagefags going "Haha, fucking koeifags and their shit gameplay, we are the KINGS!"

>>713727829
These “Gameplay is king” types are really starting to sound like they’re over correcting from movie games.

>>713728694
>SS
wut

Fire Emblem: Three Houses--Hopes Edition, coming Winter 2029.

>>713729837
Add Shez, improve the graphics, and add more maps, and I'd be tempted to get a Switch 2.

>>713729709
They acted like that prerelease with the COMG preorders.

>>713729770
Silver Snow, aka Black eagles route, aka church route

>>713729712
I'd be right there sucking 3H's ass if the gameplay wasn't dogshit, I'm ambivalent to the story shit because after the first playthrough I skip it. Issue is that game brought it a gaggle of retards who want FE to be a shitty dating sim

>>713729659
Really?
It plays NOTHING like FE7
Shut the fuck up.

>>713729435
Why

>>713730068
You're the type of guy who just says "you just move guys on a grid, they're all the same". Not even any consideration to the actual game design that goes into each entry. It's not worth talking to a low IQ retard like you,

>>713730168
Your mother dropped you on your head as a child and your uncle touched your no-no spot. It's not your fault anon.

>>713730168
grinding is taboo here

>>713729994
Thanks. Never played Three Houses.

>>713725171
you guys literally got dumpstered SEVEN TIMES by blazing blade in the relays

>>713728182
>Rhea used to be a blonde

>>713725503
Marcus is "bad" if you use him to kill a lot of enemies and steal exp from your weaker units that need the levels, the others are good because they have the stats to supplement your army or replace units that are falling behind.
>>713725786
Shadow Dragon outright tells you not to abuse Jagen. The west, however, just so happened to get some of the better characters in the archetype.

>>713729927
Make Byleth a level 20 Swordmaster with the Subdue combat art at the start of the game.
Reduce White Clouds to 6 chapters.
Have a 2-year time skip after White Clouds that lasts 6 chapters for each route.
Have an additional 3-year time skip after chapter 12 to finish the story and setting.
Have Shez be the one who attacks Jeralt. Jeralt dies unless Byleth has an A-rank support with him.
Have Shez be the one that forces Byleth to become Enlightened at Chapter 12, rather than opening Zahras.
Have Byleth's paralogue be changed to remember them soloing Berling's main force and causing Shez to become Awakened.
Have Shez's recruitment be dependent on whether or not Jeralt lives in White Clouds.
DO NOT HAVE A GOLDEN ROUTE ENDING.
DO NOT EXPLAIN WHAT THE FUCK SHEZ IS.
DO NOT HAVE SOTHIS GO COMATOSE AT ANY POINT IN THE STORY SO SHE REMAINS ACTIVE IN THE PLOT.
LET BYLETH ALLOW SOTHIS TO POSSESS THEIR BODY AT THE END OF THE SILVER SNOW SO SOTHIS AND RHEA CAN MEET EACH OTHER AGAIN.
DO NOT KILL CLUSSY UNTIL AFTER CHAPTER 12, WE NEED MORE HONKERS

>>713725786
Its pretty obvious when you look at the discourse back then. Growths were highly valued and people used to assume that you'd promote at 20, get supports (as long as they werent unbearably slow) and playing for max ranks was important.
LTC was valued but not standard play.
Its the mid/late 00s that "efficiency" which is really just LTC lite and vaguely defined in most ways that modern FE discourse turned the way it is now. Since players stopped focusing on 20/20 and more on least effort to beat game.

>>713726352
>music
3H had a worse overall OST than Engage.
The real reason why so many people bounced off Engage is a combination of aesthetics and a lack of shipping due to less paired endings for some reason.

I still see people whining about C Supports in Engage being heavily one note and praising 3H for doing the same thing lmao, so I know that the fanbase is double standard territory when it suits them.

>>713727473
>fire emblem was always about the story and characters, chud
>uhhhh actually they all used to be lifeless and bland
pick a struggle

>>713727812
>Fernand saw Alm pick up the Royal Sword
And the award for making up complaints for stuff that never happened goes to...

>>713729971
Come to think about it. They were acting incredibly smug when Engage’s week 1 sales on Famitsu beat Houses. Thank fuck Engage, they would’ve been so much more insufferable if it did beat Houses. Now if only the gameplay was bad too then it would’ve been perfect.

>>713730617
Gotta switch it up every few decades so no one realizes a filthy evil lizard demon puppeteers their lives

>>713731405
>Thank fuck, Engage flopped

>>713726523
It's so unbelievably retarded to assume the market is intelligent and morally correct, even by the standards of these abysmal salesfag threads. And yes, I want a new Advance Wars, nigger. I bet a lot of people do.

>>713730686
>Steal exp
Most of the units that join early on are shit even when they are raised. Big whoop, Marcus "stole" exp from Rebecca who wasnt likely to get that exp anyway.

>>713731504
>I bet a lot of people do.
And how much did the remake sell on the Switch?

Will Fire Emblem ever have a new game without an avatar again?

>>713731405
>1.6m aka more than the majority of the games in the series in a couple weeks is a flop
Reminder that we still dont have any concrete numbers since then.

>>713731657
it already does but you just call them avatars anyway

>>713704973 (OP)
pic unrelated

>>713731551
That's just it though. A lot of people back then got attached to the first units that joined their army and were hesitant to replace them as new recruits joined.

Honestly I think it was Radiant Dawn and how awful the Dawn Brigade was that really changed my mindset in FE that I could let early units go in favor of using stronger late recruits and specific units that I wanted to invest in rather than trying to drag everyone across the finish line.

>>713731594
>dogshit looking demake, is overpriced, and was delayed multiple times
This same dishonest talking point is being used to prop up that shit Pixar flick Elio right now. Just because there is demand, does not excuse you from making a quality product that people actually want. I want a NEW Advance Wars. Something with some fucking effort put into it.

>>713731716
Even if it ever hit 2 million, it still did worse than a 3DS game from a decade prior.
It was a disappointment. It also killed the phone game, hilariously.

>>713731963
FEH is unfortunately not dead yet. I don't blame IS since it probalby has a shoestring budget compared to other gachas

>>713731657
I don't see why they would, desu. It's popular and people like picking their gender at the start. And we've obviously shown that if you need a heavily scripted story present Lord, that you can have a Lord alongside the player insert no problem.

>>713731963
Fates/Awakening performed worse across a similar time period when you compare them to Engage's current performance. Fates also had the three game boost as an aggregate as well.
The only actual outlier for the franchise is 3H.

>>713732070
>FEH is unfortunately not dead yet.
It basically is.
>I don't blame IS
No, it's absolutely from their own mishandling of the game.
They keep putting out units whose character nobody likes, so to make them sell they make these unliked characters extremely busted as units.
This leads to a death spiral where juuuuust enough players roll for some gigacreep like Nidhoggr or Legendary Black Knight to ruin people's Arena runs, but not enough rolled to make the banner sell well.
IS directly did that shit. The creep should have been slower. The tanks less tankier. The nukes less nukier. More alts of characters people liked, rather than having three Lumeras and six Kageros. Emblem Sigurd should have increase mov by 1, not 2. Emblem Lyn should have had 4 range and given 3, not 6 and 5. Tanks shouldn't be literally unkillable, ever. If an enemy arena team only has one unit left after 20 turns, it should automatically give you the win.
Budget had nothing to do with it.

>>713731963
>Engage killed FEH
Dishonest post. Its not dead yet and the gacha was already bleeding an asston of players during the peak of 3H era due to rampant power creep and shit like Fallen Edelgard.

>>713732076
>you can have a Lord alongside the player insert no problem.
except when you can't

>>713732509
You're acting like if this is a new phenomenon and not something they've been doing for years. Do you not remember Ayra? What about Fallen Edel? Every modern CYL has performed like ass because redditors fill it with units that no one care for.

>>713732545
>bleeding an asston of players during the peak of 3H era due to rampant power creep and shit like Fallen Edelgard.
I wish I saved or screencapped the pasta, but we do actually have percentage drops per year.
Basically any year that had more than ~12 3H units had the most retention, and years with only a few 3H units lost like 25% of the playerbase each time.
Gacha games are sold off of banners. People legit do not roll for Engage banners, unless it;'s Ivy. But Ivy has less alts than many Engage characters, for some reason.

possessed robin was the only good
>what if character x turned evil
FEH did

>Engage killed FEH

>>713732676
>Do you not remember Ayra? What about Fallen Edel?
Neither caused percentage drops as much as Engage did.
>Every modern CYL has performed like ass because redditors fill it with units that no one care for.
Yeah, because everyone else left because the new game didn't invigorate the ballots.
It's why we see characters like Gullveig, Baldr, and Eikthyrnir winning. Those ARE new characters, they're just not from the new mainline game. If Engage wasn't disliked for its characters, those OCs would have been replaced by Engage characters.
The voting is so low now because there's nobody new to vote for, because Engage didn't give us anyone TO vote for.

>Engage killed the phone game
Was my 2nd fave of Nu-FE but is it actually the GOAT?

>>713732820
Chrom, Ike, FMorgan, and Gullveig were cool.

>>713732697
Players dont roll unless the new banner offer something that's worth inheriting or stronger than their current team. Its late stage gacha syndrome (remember FEH is over 7 years old). You can replace those Engage characters with anyone else and it would still flop.

>>713732509
>six Kageros
Not enough

>>713733035
Fmorgan can still make some sense, but the rest were total asspulls after they found out that evil people sell good

>>713732852
>Eik
>Popular within the greater fanbase and not just a vocal minority
See you in late August.

Can Heroes please wait to die after I get an alt of the slutty OL?

>>713733051
>Players dont roll unless the new banner offer something that's worth inheriting or stronger than their current team.
Factually untrue. Banners with amazing fodder and no fun characters unironically sell worse than banners with fun characters and no fodder.
Timerra has proven this TWICE. Especially last year when Marianne's banner greatly outsold the Timerra banner from the month prior.
It genuinely comes down to characters at this point. Powercreep is too far for anyone to care about "good" units anymore. They just want characters they like, and IS is instead making Engage units.
>You can replace those Engage characters with anyone else and it would still flop.
Again: if the RMarianne banner had the skills and fodder than Timerra banner had, it would have sold even better than it already did. But Timerra can't carry a banner, even with LF4 and BOL4 and TPE all in her kit, along with a new unit type, fodder Fogado, etc.

>>713732852
>Taking CYL seriously when everyone called bullshit when Al won that round

>>713733215
heroes was making bank doing designs like this for years and secondaries were still shocked when engage was revealed to look the way it does

>>713733054
Yeah we need more to fully kill the game

>>713733162
>but the rest were total asspulls after they found out that evil people sell good
Not really. Chrom and Ike were from the cardgame that predated FEH, and Gullveig was always evil. You actually meet the evil Gullveig before you meet the good one.

>>713733197
>>713733324
That's my point, guys. Engagement (lol) with CYL is lower because nobody saw a reason to continue, since all that's left is Engage. CYL4, the first 3H CYL, brought up the voter count. Engage did not.

>>713722496
Splatoon still feels recent like a brand new IP, it’s so crazy how it’s 10 years old and is getting a spinoff with Raiders, Inkling making an appearance in Mario Kart was pretty cool, it’s impressive how Splatoon survived the Wii U, even more impressive than Fire Emblem being saved by Awakening, which was an existing franchise since the 90s while Splatoon is a 2010s franchise.

>>713733051
If they straight up made a new FE gacha game to essentially reset all the power creep and redo all the gameplay and art, do you think the FEH community would move over to it? Or be too salty about their existing accounts getting end of serviced.

I've wondered this about other super long running mobile games like Fate GO too, about what happens when these games have just been in late stage gacha for too long and start bleeding too much to salvage.

>>713733397
>CYL4 brought up voter count
>The most botted CYL where that shop keeper guy from Tellius got a unit and IS banned guest accounts in CYL5 as a result
LOL

>>713733514
Yes. Engage failed so spectacularly, that it didn't even attract enough of an audience to attract someone to bot for it.
It's been in two CYLs and has zero winners. Even Echoes won twice!

>>713733340
I get so sick of phonegame niggers trying to be hoity-toity and highfalutin in general. The amount of absolute reddit morons who screeched about Bride Snacks, sexualized lolis, stupid designs, whoring out classic female characters, etc. but CONTINUED to vote with their wallet and time, while I dropped the game 5 months in like a sack of potatoes because it frankly fucking sucks.
YOU are the problem with modern FE, dear salesfag. You, CYLfag, who holds all the mainstream takes about what FE should be. YOU made Engage. I just happened to enjoy it once you did. So thanks.

>>713733556
People are absolute suckers for Hidari art though.

They need to fire whatsername; the one that's been writing the story since awakening. Fe3houses was the only game with good world building thanks to it being temu fe4. Also a better art direction/style: One that's not the rainbow barf that was engayge.

>>713726352
>but if your main character looks like a Pepsi commercial, the plot is abysmal, and the music forgettable at best, it's not going to be a good experience.

And the fact that dumbasses actually want this dumb piece of shit in Smash all because of a stupid unbroken pattern is ridiculous

>>713733603
>YOU made Engage.
Engage was already in production when FEH first released, bro.
Skill inheritance wasn't even in FEH at launch, I wouldn't doubt it if Engage conceptualized that first and then they put it in FEH.

> Fe3houses was the only game with good world building
You need better bait than that for a (You)

>>713732852
Characters like Baldr, Gullveig, and Eilthrynir are winning because votes have fallen so far that they actually have a chance, especially after Gull pulled first place out of her hat. It's to the point that there's a non-zero chance that TMS is gonna have a winner because reddit is dumb enough to wonder why no one likes TMS. Dogshit banners like the last Awakening banner don't help either, probably not relevant to this conversation, but i still want to bitch about it.

>>713733556
>Engage failed so much in both years
>Yet it had the highest cumulative voter count in the upper ranks both times
Anyone with common sense, knows its problem is that that none of its fanbase wants to rally behind one character to push him/her over to the top, so they get the rug pulled.

>>713733726
The phoneshart game released in 2017, shortly after SoV. There is no way in hell it didn't have time to influence Engage's design, on a technical and aesthetic level. This is obvious, down to the SP inheritance systems and the emphasis on "summoning" spiritual stands of classic FE characters with special movesets.

>>713733886
Engage and 3H were in development at the same time. Engage was just delayed because of covid. We know this because the 4 shilled emblems in the intro coincide with the winners of CYL1.

>>713733346

>>713733787
Yeah, it's been hilarious.

>>713733848
>>Yet it had the highest cumulative voter count in the upper ranks both times
That's not true in CYL9, I believe. It was like 22% to 20% Engage to 3H in 8, but 9 the Engage vote dropped to like 15% while 3H won another slot. And probably will win next year with Sylvain.

>>713733886
I'm not saying one didn't influence the other. I'm saying they both influenced eachother.
Like, ask yourself: Engage has "Tempest Trials," but they're almost nothing like what happens in FEH. So did Engage maybe invent TTs first, and they got added to FEH?

>>713733994
I don't get what your point is. Mobile cancer design is all over it. It's ridiculous to assert it came first in Engage, when it appeared first in the phone game years before. Let's use our heads here.

>>713729516
If Awakening didn’t succeed everything that came after it wouldn’t exist and the series would’ve been put to rest

>>713734103
>It's ridiculous to assert it came first in Engage, when it appeared first in the phone game years before.
That... was just a really stupid point on your part. Wanna reword it?

>>713734204
Do you have a single piece of evidence that a phone game mechanic appeared first in Engage's development, and was then ported to the normalfag catnip mobile game? When these mechanics demonstrably originate in said phone game? No. Then stop wasting both our time.

>>713734380
>Do you have a single piece of evidence that a phone game mechanic appeared first in Engage's development, and was then ported to the normalfag catnip mobile game?
Emblems.

>>713732820
You're only saying that because you want to fuck her.

>>713734561
How is that evidence? Emblems are obviously a continuation of the manipulative gambling addict gameplay loop of gacha. You "roll" for a banner, you get a powerful "spirit" representative of a past FE character. Engage emblems are just the spirits without the gambling mechanic.

>>713730740
kill yourself

>>713734764
>he's now arguing that Emblems in Engage came from FEH
>when FEH didn't add them until 2024
Jesus fuck, bro.

Cutesythea

>>713732820
And then they did it again.
And again.
And again.
And yet again last month.

How long of a dev time do you think FE games actually take? I know Engage was originally planned for 2020, but got delayed several years due to various Covid shit and whatnot. But surely an FE game doesn't take more than 3-4 years dev time right?

>3H
Males - 27531
Females - 9811
>Engage
Males - 6686
Females - 26756
>3H won the fujo crowd

>>713735034
blame the transition (lmao) to 3D

>>713735038
Women own this franchise. Literally. Everyone at the IS offices is probably under Komuro's thumb.

>>713734764
>Rolling for emblems in Engage

>>713732820
Dedue was good.

>>713735034
storyniggers need everything to be 3D and fully voice acted to strain their peanut brains as little as possible please understand

>>713734989
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you talking about backporting emblems as Heroes stands? That obviously isn't my point.
The phone game is gluttonous, it consumes all with no respect for boundaries or good taste. I don't doubt it cannibalized the emblem concept. That is literally not what I'm talking about. I think your cell phone has radio-fried your brain.

I can't wait for mobileshit to contaminate your console games, hell add a gacha like genshit impact.

>>713735474
Already happened, it was called Engage.

>be Fire Emblemfags
>invent time travel
>travel back in time and use future technology to kill and replace creative director
>change Awakening to be more like classic Fire Emblem, tone down casual shit, remove anime romance sim elements, focus entirely on gameplay
>return to future
>Fire Emblem now died with Awakening. Instead of fixing the series you just made sure no more games in that franchise happened.

>>713734645
Correct

>>713735930
Sounds based, glad FE died with a banger.

>change Awakening to be more like classic Fire Emblem
they're both enemy phase juggernaut casual pandering waifu slop

>>713735930
>Awakening was an amalgam of the most popular things in Japan
>Marth, FE4 and Supports
>People act surprised when it sells well and IS doubles down on it

>>713735930
>you just made sure no more games in that franchise happened.

>>713735930
The problem is the modern FE fan exists in a permanent state of self-flagellating delusion. It's really bad with 3H fans, because they've convinced themselves their game made FE respectable again, when it was more of the same, it was more of the Awakening paradigm. It's been the same thing over and over again since Awakening. It can't NOT be excessive anymore, a series of excess, of indulgence. The series has been permanently ensloppified and there is no "fixing" it.
No one on either side wants to return the visionary auteur shit that we used to get, after all. That's stinky and old. Everyone wants their 500 support convos, their romance, their routeshit. "Serious" FE is dead and buried, and we're factionalized over whether the game uses a grey color palette or an LGBT color palette.

>>713722031
>most retarded personafags into the fanbase
But enough about Engage.

>>713736638
>No one on either side wants to return the visionary auteur shit that we used to get, after all.
because their gameplay sucks dick, the characters are human drywall, all of the stories are tell over show, and kaga is a hack fraud. hope this helps

Fire emblem was never good

>>713737015
And there you go
This is the modern FE fan, in the flesh. I can't tell whether you're a 3Hfag or an Engagefag or some other kind of fag, but it doesn't matter. You are the modern FE fan. And you will eat your slop and you will cry about it, but you will like it.

>>713736012
Stop having sex with evil women.

fire emblem shotas

>>713737224
have fun arbitrarily bouncing between seven different vendors to restock weapons and items between every chapter of berwick, dumbfuck

>>713736638
FE was never original. Every game after Mystery was just a repeat of Mystery.

>>713737747
Even FE1 was not original, it's entire plot and artstyle was stolen.

>>713735930
Only retarded GBA ironic weebs think romance doesn't fit into FE.

>>713737976
Which is weird since the GBA basically invented the modern form of supports. Even Genealogy wasn't actually that shipping focused.

>>713737573
Berwick is shit but you continue to miss the point. You are the agent of your own agony. It's your unwillingness to consider that monetary success isn't everything, it's your naked sales-whorishness, argumentum ad populum; it's the fact that you have more in common with your "enemy" than you have different. No one will even seriously argue that a game could do without an avatar anymore, or reclassing, no one will argue for the small game anymore. Those guys are gone, grandpas.

Engagefag, 3Hfag, Awakeningfag, Fatesfag. It's all about the money, isn't it? You'd think the modern FE fan owns stock in Nintendo.

>>713737976
>everything only exists in values of 0 or 1

>>713738093
I just like Three Houses because I thought it was a good game.

Wouldn't mind reclassing going away.

>Small games
Like? Thracia 776 is the most small scale game I can think about.

>>713738291
Yes, like FE5. I mean I like the new games too, I like reclassing. I'm just saying, no one wants to give anything up anymore. FE must be everything to all people, it's seen as a negative when a game has niche appeal or specific design.
Unironically, mass appeal is not a good thing for series identity. You wouldn't know it from reading these threads though.

>>713738491
I really can't see much evidence for that. The worst offender in that regard was Fates, which was nigh unanimously weakened by obvious pandering. Echoes was frankly earnest to the point of being shocking. Three Houses largely was a more focused game. Engage I haven't played but it being a milestone celebration means it gets more mileage out of repeating a lot of features.

This is a good cg

>>713738637
There's nothing focused about 3H. It's more avatar dickwank and a thousand support conversations and a bloated hub and a calendar system...it's just so much now. Everything is getting to be too much.
But it's what the people want, so it's good I guess.

SoV was considerably scaled back compared to Fates, being a remake, and obviously it didn't sell that well. So there's that.

>>713738663
This women creeps me out. She's obviously mentally unwell.

>>713738834
>It's more avatar dickwank and a thousand support conversations and a bloated hub and a calendar system...it's just so much now
It's old school Fire Emblem with a school serving as a hub. The fact it doesn't have kid units already shows a lot of restraint.

>>713711659
>Awakening is pretty good.
It's literally the worst in the entire series, the beginning of Slop FE

>>713737253
First evil women need to stop being so sexy

>>713739039
It replaced kids with the monastery lol, so lateral move
There is literally nothing old school about the game. I feel like I'm on crazy pills when I hear people say about this. It oozes with modern design, it gushes.

I don't even hate a lot of the modern innovations, but I'm not convinced anyone would even be ok with a tightly focused FE game at this point. It would likely be derided as too simplistic.

>>713738863
It's okay. Byleth's divine cock fixes her

>>713738093
>No one will even seriously argue that a game could do without an avatar anymore, or reclassing, no one will argue for the small game anymore.
people argue the first two all the time, and the third is more of a problem with the medium than it is fire emblem specifically. classic fire emblem fans have a dearth of rom hacks and fan content to accommodate their niche sensibilities, kaga still makes games that still get updates, so more often than not it feels like theyre the ones being paradoxically belligerent agents of their own agony that are just butthurt their niche interests are actually categorically niche

>>713739062
Fuck off gbautist.

>>713739295
>a dearth
Wanna look that one up, chief?
But really...romhacks and RPGmaker games...nice?

>>713739206
An impossible task.
The change needs to come from (you).

>>713739209
>With the monastery
Nah, the monastery mostly replaces the overworld map. Which was a thing as earlier as Gaiden.

>It oozes with modern design, it gushes.
Like half of it's quirks are just taken from Gaiden/Echoes.

>but I'm not convinced anyone would even be ok with a tightly focused FE game at this point
Define tightly focused. Shadow Dragon is a fucking design mess. FE6 has almost no defenders. FE3 was basically a non entity in the west until fairly recently.

>>713739546
>FE6 has almost no defenders
What does this have to do with anything? I'm not an FE6fag but it IS tightly focused. Tightly focused, come on. You know, you named Thracia already. A classic Fire Emblem game that isn't up its own ass about adding feature creep in order to poach more of the "modern audience". Definitely not 3H.

>>713713231
i love the idea of nintendo being like "if we don't have enough threads on the dead video game forum no normal people care about we're gonna go bankrupt we need to pay thousands of indians to post about it for no reason"

>>713704973 (OP)
I want Dorothea

>>713739456
i'm a retard
>romhacks le bad
see? why the fuck does it matter that nintendo makes them? you just said you wanted more focused, auteur-driven projects. theyre right there, and you dont care

>>713739774
There are no good romhacks.

>>713739720
>What does this have to do with anything?
I'm basically pointing out that very few games people view as tightly focused are actually all that good. Thracia is probably the best and that's really just because it's a minor sidegame to Genealogy (For fuck sake, it was released in 1999 on the Snes). I say that as somebody who has a soft spot for both Mystery and Shadow Dragon, in-spite of themselves really.

>>713739456
NTA but he's right, those are your choices because you're not going to get tightly designed games that have elements of old FE from IS or KT or whoever makes mainline FE anymore. A good example is how the roster sizes keep shrinking because every game needs full voice acting now and it'd be expensive to fully voice a cast of Binding Blade's size. So if you liked FE having large casts, you have no choice but to go to smaller games that don't require a huge budget to go into each and every character.

>>713739958
Even fewer bloatshit games are good. Don't get me wrong. I love a few of the new games. But people who want more hubs, more worthless conversations about baking cakes and growing turnips, more time waste just don't make sense to me.
The games need to scale back where it counts, it's getting more and more ridiculous with each entry.

>>713740031
Roster sizes have been shrinking since Mystery. BB came the closest to actually having a genuinly huge cast and most of them are kind of trash as a result.

>>713740152
>Roster sizes have been shrinking since Mystery
FE4 was an exception since it allowed everyone to be deployed.
5 and 6 had big rosters
7 shrunk it down but still had 40+
8 was a small roster but I'd chalk that down more to being a quick inbetween game they made while they were busy making PoR.
PoR grew the roster back up from 8 and RD has a huge roster because of split armies.
SD and NM are remakes.
Awakening and Fates have small rosters if you only count the adults but large if you count all the kids.
Again, it's mainly Echoes, 3H, and Engage that have actually cut down the rosters because since Echoes, everything is fully voiced.

>>713715481
It's literally the opposite. Awakening killed the series with the garbage pair up mechanic and then Fates kept it for more garbage. 3H is barely a fucking FE game. Engage is the only good nu-FE. I'm glad we're finally fucking back after a decade.

>>713740128
I mostly just want them to re-examine past ideas and do them well. Support conversations are a total non issue since you can literally just skip them. The main issue with the hub is that it's slow and cumbersome, it encourages exploration and frequently revisits which clashes with replay value. The advantages are that it helps breed familiarity and encourages you to get connected with characters. The entire second half of the game wouldn't hit nearly as hard if you weren't talking with these people for the entire first half. That is a tool that can and should be applied if it can be done well. Ideas like kids units, status effects, capturing units, two book formats, etc are all fine if applied properly. See the kids in Awakening vs their obviously forced re-introduction in Fates.

Engage I, again, haven't played but to whatever extent it can be bloated it's mostly because it's a milestone celebration. No shit it goes back to re-use past ideas, that's the entire point of the game.

>>713740456
The roster in Echoes is largely as big(Technically slightly bigger) as it was in Gaiden, which like Genealogy also allowed you to deploy everybody. Engage has 35 characters, that's only 7 less than Blazing Swords and 10 less than Path of Radiance. Three houses has, if you include the DLC, about 42 in total.

>>713741032
Engage has 36. 41 if you count the dlc. I don't know why you counted the dlc for one and not the other.

Romhacks actually don't have big rosters a lot of the time because that's more work for small teams.

>>713741161
there are just as many rom hacks that unnecessarily bloat their rosters so hard that it glitches out the menu

>>713704973 (OP)
Three Houses was embarrassing anime brainrot for little girls.

>>713741032
>>713741148
Hey wait, both 3H and Engage have 41 units (not double-counting the Byleths and Alears).

>>713740723
>Support conversations are a total non issue since you can literally just skip them
It's not that simple. It's not just about the end user experience, that's what I'm getting at with all this. Shit needs to be more on-rails, more directed and specific, even if it filters normals. This whole content-based approach of "well if you don't like it, ignore it" is so gay and fundamentally doesn't work. That's how we keep getting this gargantuan, lumbering sloppafests that forget to even name their own continent. They're so busy giving Charlotte a 10th support in which she can be a whore, and there's just a lack of focus on the parts that really matter. I love Conquest but wouldn't it be nice if its story wasn't hot garbage?
Engage doesn't get excused from its bloat, either. Or maybe the meta-shit IS the source of bloat. I enjoyed these games but every one leaves a nasty sour aftertaste in your mouth and people have this belief it's impossible to get the Gameplay and Writing basically good in one FE, and it's partly because they are literally trying to do too much. I mean, 3H *reuses* its own maps because they were so content-focused in terms of the monastery, that they couldn't even be assed to focus on generating enough maps for a full Fire Emblem campaign.
Kill the fluff.

>>713741148
Because I never played Engage and just looked up stats online, which apparently didn't count the DLC.

>>713741623
I just googled "FE Engage/3H units" and clicked the wiki.
Both are exactly 41 units. Technically, 3H is only 34 units pre-dlc, and also one of those dlc units is Aelfric who is only playable for like one chapter.

>>713741406
>That's how we keep getting this gargantuan, lumbering sloppafests that forget to even name their own continent
>I love Conquest but wouldn't it be nice if its story wasn't hot garbage?
Those issues were caused by more than just supports existing.

>>713741406
>This whole content-based approach of "well if you don't like it, ignore it" is so gay and fundamentally doesn't work
I agree, but supports are the one exception. It's a very effective way to quickly build interest in the characters. It's a war drama, and part of making that happen is actually putting a face and personality to the nameless peons you are controlling. If you genuinly just don't give a fuck and just want to enjoy the main story there is a very simple skip button there for you.

>I love Conquest but wouldn't it be nice if its story wasn't hot garbage?
Supports in Fates are largely viewed as the one redeeming element of the story. The issues run far deeper than just too many supports.

> I mean, 3H *reuses* its own maps because they were so content-focused in terms of the monastery, that they couldn't even be assed to focus on generating enough maps for a full Fire Emblem campaign.
Dude, it's made by Koei. And a lot of case the map redesign makes sense. No shit Enbarr looks the same way when you storm it in one campaign as it does the other. Are we going to shit on Mystery of the Emblem for recycling maps from FE1? Nobody expected Hardin to totally rebuild the Eternal Palace in-between games.

>>713741954
*Map reuse.

>>713739539
Then at least good women could try to close the gap

>>713741954
>Are we going to shit on Mystery of the Emblem for recycling maps from FE1?
NTA but that's one of the reasons I don't really think Mystery is that great. A lot of reusing FE1 maps and the new maps aren't even that great like the infamous spiral or Anri's Way.

>>713742205
Impossible. They're not evil enough.

>>713741954
The difference is those are two separate games (that have good maps at that) while 3 Houses keeps throwing the same shitty maps at you, sometimes multiple times per route

>>713741901
It's caused by there being a profusion of worthless content and a lack of focus. Meaningless filler designed to attract casuals, conceptually analogous to minigames. Why does a Fire Emblem game have to have so much bullshit in it now? Why is it hard nowadays to even imagine a pared down, core FE experience that has appeal to it?
>>713741954
Fates supports are ass. I feel like you're still not getting me and this is my point. No one can even imagine an FE game without supports now, even though we have some very good ones already. It's like a drug we're addicted to.
Also, no other game except Gaiden/remake literally recycles its own maps within-campaign. Fates got some mileage out of map reuse, but you won't play in the Cheve village map twice in Conquest. That shit is inexcusable, if Koei can't do better maybe they shouldn't develop FE games.

>perfectly fine thread around
>everyone flocks to the shitflinging 3h thread instead

>>713742252
That's fine, but I also don't find it particularly odd. Places that you revisit should look the same.

>>713742336
Technically most of the maps are also in Book 1 of Fire Emblem Mystery.

>while 3 Houses keeps throwing the same shitty maps at you, sometimes multiple times per route
The only example of that happening is in Skrimishes and paralogues. Otherwise most of the maps are based on places and therefore if the story takes you to that place it is generally expected to be the same. I've seen FAR more outrageous examples in games, some of which I liked far more than FE Three Houses (Devil Survivor 1 or Samurai Warriors 2 comes to mind).

>>713741954
Literally Sonic fan tier argument of "it's okay they reused Green Hill assets again in Frontiers because it makes sense in the context of the story." Such a brainlet argument. The devs are in charge of the story. They fucking control the context in the first place. So don't make a scenario where you reuse content.

>>713739039
3H is incredibly divorced from classic FE what are you even smoking.

>>713739546
Actual non-player moment, 6 is good.

>>713735026
The recent one is the best because she has horns and dies of cringe from watching the other Robins and even herself dressing up in retarded costumes

>>713742470
>No one can even imagine an FE game without supports now, even though we have some very good ones already.
Both Gaiden and Mystery are demonstrably better for having supports. Even Shadow Dragon, which has about 4 conversations, benefits from them. At this point it's like arguing we should remove the function that allows you to see how far enemies can move. Are there good fire Emblem games without it? Sure! Is there any reason to not include it in any future game? No.

The biggest overall bloat that we will never get rid of is probably My Avatar. Echoes not having it was already kind of shocking, frankly. It's also something plenty of people unanimously agree with since doing so limits what kind of stories can be told. You couldn't get something like Genealogy in a game with a My Avatar since most players would rather not watch their avatar get burned to a crisp.

>>713735930
Honestly Good

>>713742682
The difference is DeSi has the BAKA system and is effectively a regular rpg wearing a strategy coat. Fire emblem lives and dies by map quality and an entry with maps as bad as houses recycling them (on top of more than a few empty field maps that are samey already) is beyond damaging for anyone who actually cares about gameplay

>>713736638
Maybe if Avatars were shitcanned FE could be great again

>>713739546
>This is what storyfag 3HRTs want to gaslight you into believing

>>713743032
Why did SMT get changed to BAKA?

>>713742470
>if Koei can't do better maybe they shouldn't develop FE games.
Arguably, but you hire the company you get. It's like hiring Capcom to make a fighting game and not expecting them to make ten thousand DLC.

>>713742685
It mostly makes sense for the actual places to look like the actual places. They totally could have moved to the capital of the Empire in a few scenarios to spice it up... But I honestly don't see the appeal outside of just trying to seem more busy.

>>713742771
How?

>>713737747
Also FE steals popular anime art style of the time, that now being the Genshin art style with how successful it was

>>713731551
>Most of the units that join early on are shit even when they are raised
>Rebecca
Rebecca is a better unit than Marcus because she can actually double fast enemies later and she's a really good avoid tank with good supports.

>>713737828
Rolf from Phantasy Star 2 looks a lot like Marth

>>713742996
Supports are not fucking necessary to communicate character and story. Do FEfags even play other games? Even within this series, we've had alternative ways of characterizing the playable units. Genealogy had Talk conversations, Tellius had Base conversations. SoV too. These were context-sensitive, story-relevant dialogues that didn't fill up script space just to fill up script space.

>>713742470
>It's caused by there being a profusion of worthless content and a lack of focus.
No. It was caused by the writer being a giga autist who wrote more story than it'd be feasibly possible to fit in a single game, casuing them to have to cut and salvage it. Also by the very concept of fighting for the obilgatory evil empire being stupid to begin with, in Conquest's case specifically. Even without supports or other "bloat", it would've ended up a mess regardless as long as those issues remained.

>>713742854
6 is fine, but design wise it's a mess. The character balance is somehow worse than Mystery. Maps stop being able to challenge the player outside of cheap bullshit after chapter 7. It's designed for Ironman half the time and then totally antithetical to it the other half.

>>713743457
Yeah, but OG Marth was just stolen from Arion.

>>713738071
Also say what you will about GBA fans it WAS the first time the series got officially localized dipshits, and even then whole series isn’t officially localized. Yeah I’m still salty New Mystery was kept in Japan

>>713743481
I don't know how anons still can't understand how delimiting the scope of your game at the outset inherently leads to a tighter narrative. In many ways I think modern FE is a victim of technological growth. You couldn't have put all this worthless shit in an SNES game even if you wanted to - the space wasn't there.

>>713738291
Wow! Running around a Garbage Monastery is so fun and clicking through a bunch of dialogue boxes is so ENGAGING

>>713743817
>ENGAGING
heh

>>713743032
Three Houses has mediocre maps but they are hardly the worst in the series. Most reuses that aren't just skirmishes are at least relatively creative.

>>713743479
>Do FEfags even play other games?
I have. Guess what: 99% of the cast in Mystery is forgettable outside of the archetype they create.

>Genealogy had Talk conversations, Tellius had Base conversations. SoV too.
Which are also all similar bloat. Just of a different nature. I mean, Path of Radiance and Shadow of Valentia literally also had support conversations.

>These were context-sensitive, story-relevant dialogues that didn't fill up script space just to fill up script space.
Many of them were fluff as well just there to characterize the cast. I don't know why you have such a bug bear against this one particular execution of it but it's frankly just silly when they have been shown to largely work time and time again. Might as well cut Lord units from the game. It's like a drug, people can't imagine FE games without them.

>>713743817
Yes.
Yes.

>>713739062
>Awakening
>The beginning of Slop FE
>Introduces the bland logo

Yeah that fits and makes sense

>>713706016
Three Houses was mid.
The last truly kino FE was Awakening, and PoR before that.

>>713743937
Do you really find Charlotte gold-digging AGAIN as compelling as Sylvia slutting it up for Lewyn and maybe just 2 other guys? I don't know. It's funny at first but think I'd get annoyed by Sylvia doing this after the 15th time.
Yet, this is what people are demanding in the Genealogy remake that doesn't exist. Muh "flesh them out some more."

>>713743479
>Do FEfags even play other games?
yes persona and dangit ronpaul :^)

Supports always sucked

>>713744280
>Do you really find Charlotte gold-digging AGAIN as compelling as Sylvia slutting it up for Lewyn and maybe just 2 other guys?
I don't find either all that compelling. But I do like Dorothea. The way she acts around various men and they way they react around her says a lot about them. None of her supports really feel all that similar, and that makes it easier for her to come across as 3 dimensional.

>>713737573
Bold to think he would touch post I$ kaga shit
very bold

>>713744150
only if 'truly kino' means 'click end turn on overpowered unit and watch the game play itself'

>>713706016
Anniversary kino

Kill yourself jaknigger.

right after you genealogy troon

Kys

>>713716128
Engage is the best in the series this is what should be future FE's follow goofy fun

>>713716556
How is 1.6 million poor?

>>713746149
It's a step down compared to most previous games. I still think people are overblowing how much of a disaster it is. The series survived the Tellius games, it will do just fine.

>>713728491
TH is not FE Engage is the proper path to continue

>>713720516
Unironically fuck off

>>713720826
You too faggot

>>713731657
FE4 Remake

>>713746638
>FE4 remake replaces Oifley with a my avatar.

>>713746569
He's right though. People who complain about STRs are little bitch babies. Reinforcements that don't act right away might as well not exist because they pose zero threat.

>>713746526
3H was technically the followup to Echoes, since it used basically every gameplay system from Echoes.
Engage though is more like the followup to Fates, it's not really similar to any other FE game. Too much weird random one-off shit that evolved from Fates.

>>713746823
It's why I always find it silly when people claim TH is not old school Fire Emblem. It literally stole like half of it's ideas from Gaiden.

>>713746908
Actually it stole from Genelogy which is better than TH and the remake will do much better than Engage and TH.

>>713704973 (OP)
fe3h is dogshit

>>713746823
>Engage though is more like the followup to Fates
It's not pair up cheese class farm slop though? There's no shoehorned child mechanics? What do the two games even have in common?

>>713746818
Please don't ever design a video game

>>713716556
>but 3 Houses just did something. I'm not sure what
It had a fuckton of advertising including its own exclusive direct and was the first FE on console, on a system that everyone had but with an undersaturated market, as part of the few options and of a buy-one-get-one free marketing gimmick, just before the COVID boom where everyone was stuck at home and during the height of female gamer push. You couldn't have crafted a better set of circumstances for it.

>>713746818
>reinforcements in Conquest Lunatic pose zero threat

>>713746818
>Reinforcements that don't act right away might as well not exist because they pose zero threat.
Found the faggot that only plays the games on easy casual mode.
Play chaper 25 Engage on maddening mode and then tell us your opinion about reinforcements again

>>713747582
I've cleared Engage 25 Lunatic without warp/rescue in a no-DLC, 1.0 version run in 13 turns. You're still a little bitch for crying about STRs.

>>713747898
>in 13 turns.
ok now do it in 20 turns and tells us your opinion about reinforcements again

>play worse to prove you're good at FE

>>713748849
Lapis makes the best faces.

Look at these idiots, wailing at their own self hatred.

>>713748849
No, you're supposed to play worse to understand that reinforcements DO pose a threat even if they aren't bullshit same turn reinforcements
Rushing chapter 25 engage VS doing it slow are two completely different experiences. If you do it fast, then you beat the map the intended way. If you do it slow, then you get raped hard by the reinforcements because it turns out that a well designed map can make reinforcements a genuine threat even if you know that they are coming

>>713704973 (OP)
Before Awakening you mean?

>>713712093
Ugh, I've taken the bait.
But I can't stop here.

3H won

>>713749915
We should kill everyone on /v/ and only let the dragons post.

>>713750195
you should kys

>>713747898
>not even 0% growths
Lmao fucking casual

>>713749915