>>713985162 (OP)
Good
>Souls
>classic God of War
>Ninja Gaiden
>MGRR
>Bamham

Shit
>Nu God of War
>Bayonetta
>Godhand
>DMC

>>713985801
reverse the list and it's correct

nah

>>713985162 (OP)
I enjoyed Stellar Blade more than I thought I would.
The fact the gameplay smoothly changes from "parry, combo" to "spend energy to regain energy to spend..." is pretty well though out.

You kinda have to force yourself to use the cool shit though since it's pretty easy to break the game's difficulty in half with a few broken skills.

ok guys close the thread stellar homos found it and think they are with us

>>713985162 (OP)
They're JAVs

>>713985162 (OP)
really they are 3D beat em ups
But nobody calls them that because you can use swords too

It's the cuhrayzee genre.

>>713989528
Stellar Blade is just MGR with more mechanics, more bosses and more levels but for some reason MGR counts but SB doesn't?

New NG4 clip

>>713990851
So the drill is a transformed rapier. Although the rapier looks more like an HTS from elden ring

>>713990851
Like how red the blood is honestly. Noticing some reused Nioh assets though.

>>713985162 (OP)
They're called DMC clones. Even hack and slash isn't accurate enough because Hellblade is hack and slash but it's not a DMC clone like NG is

>>713991118
Before I even discovered the term arpg, I always though Diablolikes were hack and slash because you just spammed attack over and over. Especiallt true with D1. At least before I learned about the how skill spam meta.

>>713990851
Between all the gameplay clips and the IGN preview, my hype for this game is through the roof.

>Rachel gives you this look
>"No way fag"

What way Ryu's problem?

>>713990835
MGR fags think they are with us too lol...

>>713991118
They are called Rising Zan clones

>>713991718
>"Hair too long"

>>713990851
>The Yatousen rapier has powerful stabbing attacks and foot maneuvers to close the gap between enemies.
Hope they give it some of the Regent moves.

>>713990851
I thought the whole point of NG was to fight relentless groups of challenging enemies who are out to kill you but all the gameplay for NG4 so far just looks like DMC punching bags.

>>713985162 (OP)
J-Action to be more specific.

>>713990851
Looks cool.

>>713990851
Is this the new God Eater/Code Vein?

Nxspace made a pretty nice video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVoRF0JaLUI

>>713993123
Probably not, rapier is a thrusting weapon and all the moves they’ve shown so far look to involve that. While Regent uses a basket hilt broadsword which has cutting and thrusting moveset

>>713997413
damn, sick guy, so much respect when I watch ng2 MN combo videos because I get raped in this game

>>713997413
you can cancel the izuna drop into a flying swallow?

>>713997781
The second to last attack looked like a cut https://youtu.be/E2NnqO92d7M?si=MrbSvdRr7L-tzuDy&t=18

>>713998573
It's modded.

Will Ninja Gaiden 4 destroy rollslop forever?

Yahtzee stil had a better name for the genre calling them Spectacle Fighters

>>713985801
souls games are JRPGs, not character action games

bump

>>714000186
Moar like spedcul fighters.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/319170/Disney_GForce/
here's some legit chaction kino

>>714002841
more like speshul fightan

>>714002972
https://store.steampowered.com/app/356400/Thumper/
this also btw

Sekiro is my favorite Character Spectacle Stylish Hack'nSlash game :)

>>714003795
>CSSHASAG
seems like a mouthful

>>714000186
>Yahtzee
His word has any weight in our space because...?
>Spectacle Fighters
These are not fighters. That's different genre.

>>713985801
>souls
Lmao

>>714003906
How about Stylish Hack'nSlash Spectacle Character Action Game, or SHASSCAG?

>>713985162 (OP)
I thought 'spectacle fighter' was the preferred term?
In any case, I've given up on keeping up with the latest lingo over a decade ago.

>>713985162 (OP)
When will this debate die? They're action games. Simple as.

3D belt sanders

>>713989001
I only played the demo but felt the combat was too clunky. I def thought they needed to polish that up in order to be fun to play. I know you unlock a bunch of new moves but at that point I assume it’s just trying to dazzle you away from a critical gameplay issue. I don’t really think a juicy ass can make up for that

And yeah this is what happens when you call it Character Action what does Character really mean the term is too ambiguous

>>714005693
It opens up later in the game
A little too late in my opinion but it can make for a fun NG+ replay

>>713985801
You lost me at Souls

>>713985801
bamham belongs in the shit list alongside nugow

>>713990851
looks like shit. NGB will never, ever be topped.

>>713985162 (OP)
j-action. if that stands for 'japanese' or 'just' is up to the beholder

>>714007096
He doesn't know

>>714005693
Like I said, early on it's "Sekiro but tighter"
Later on it becomes way more about using skills to gain Beta/Burst energy, teleport combos, all that flashy shit

Like, you can make-do without it but enemies get real tanky real fast and that stuff kills them faster and more safely

Do you guys play fighting games?

>>714010681
I played Tekken 3 and 5 back when they had arcade cab setups for it in my town. Sadly those days are long gone and I don't like playing online.

>>713990851
No hot sexualized female characters with coomer outfits no buy

>>714010681
Nah; I like to be able to play my games as soon as they boot them rather than being forced to spend thousands of hours in practice mode, laboratory mode, memorizing frame data and watching tournament footage before I am allowed to play them.

>>714004694
Hack and slash is the correct term, Arkham games are action games but they're very different from something like DMC

>>714011145
you dont need all that in the beginning, and 2d fighters are pretty simple
>>714010906
sad, tekken is pretty much dead rn

>>714010681
Not as much as I used to. None of the current fighting games appeal to me that much outside of maybe SF6, though I'm waiting for Alex to come out to get back to it, since he was always my favorite character. I also liked Tekken 8 back when it came out, but when they honeymoon period ended, I just kind of stopped caring about it. I don't care for anime fighters that much. I'll still occasionally download Fightcade and play a bit of Super Turbo and 3S, though.

>>714011151
>but they're very different
Is that a reason to not include them? NG isn't like DMC either. Should it be excluded because you base everything on how similar it is to Dmc? Stop with the nonsense anon.

>>714011507
>None of the current fighting games appeal
same, my main game (tekken8) is pretty awful, tried strive and it was pretty bad too

>>714011505
>you dont need all that in the beginning
Yes you do; fighting games are the only competitive genre you can't learn as you play.
You only say "it's not needed" because you've been playing since the original Street Fighter 2 (or Street Fighter IV if you're a member of the 09' generation; that alone means you've been playing the genre for 17 years) so you already spent hundreds of thousands of hours memorizing combos and reading wikias.

That makes fighting games worse than poopsocking MMORPGs because at least at the end of those hundreds of thousands of grinding a player ends with some legendary weapon to show (and to resell to another poopsocker).

>>714011505
NTA but I don't have fun with singleplayer modes that are essentially just bot matches.

Where do the Grasshopper Manufacture games fit into the genre? I never see No More Heroes, Lollipop Chainsaw or Killer is Dead brought up.

>>714012223
All style no substance. Not much to say about them other than presentation.

>>714012223
They're just Action games. They have style but not Stylish Action.

>>714011985
you dont bc you'll be playing against retards just like you and you can learn all that gradually, with time, and none of that is crazy hard, fighting games are just neutral + rps, setups, and conditioning on offense
>You only say "it's not needed" because you've been playing since the original Street Fighter 2
I've been playing since ~2020, tekken took a lot of time to learn bc its giga complex, but 2d fighters are waaaaaaaaay simpler, modern ones especially

started playing vanquish and while it looks cool it feels like absolute shit to play

>>714012596
>you dont bc you'll be playing against retards
No you won't; the only people who play fighting games in a regular basis are tryhards who have been playing the genre for 25 years. The only way to compete against said tryhards is spending thousands of hours in training and off-game studying, which defeats the purpose of videogames being a leasure activity / hobby.
So the genre doesn't get newcomers because they will have a miserable time getting double perfect-KO by the veterans without understanding what the hell happened, leading to no newcomers for other newcomers to play against (even casually) and desperate lying bastards like you trying to shill the genre on a thread about a completely unrelated genre.

Fighting games being inaccessible to not tryhards isn't a bad thing at all; it's what makes them what they are. I just wish assholes like you stopped trying to deceive people into believing that the genre is "accessible to everyone" and that you only need to learn "one button and one BnB combo".

>>714011985
>memorizing combos
Combos are kind of not that important in most games. Fundamentals are far more important and learning them alone will already make you better than like 50% of players. Even then, if you really hate combos that much, just play a grappler or something.

>>714013259
tekken and guilty gear (sf6 probably too, but I never played it) has a shitload of noobs who just mash buttons randomly and dont play properly in the beginner ranks whatsoever, all the "tryhards who have been playing the genre for 25 years" sit in top ranks and fight each other

>>713990851
>Camera screen dirt effect
God I hate that shit.

>>714013753
Literally false; to play fighting games is to be a tryhard due to the genre's extremely demanding nature.
We're talking about a genre where players have to analyze, react and then execute in the real of the milliseconds, and where the time it takes for a button press to descend inside the controller / pad / stick and close the respective electronic circuit is very important.

>all the "tryhards who have been playing the genre for 25 years" sit in top ranks and fight each other
Not even you believe this.
>What is Smurfing?

>>714014084
half the intermediate rank players in temu8 dont know how to play properly and just abuse op buttons, no one sweats over there FOR SURE, same with Strive kek
>>What is Smurfing?
yeah bro, people play fg's for 30 years just to mash on clueless noobs for lulz

>>714014084
>We're talking about a genre where players have to analyze, react and then execute in the real of the milliseconds, and where the time it takes for a button press to descend inside the controller / pad / stick and close the respective electronic circuit is very important.
it doesnt take milliseconds, they arent bots, if they react to something fast its almost always on a read i.e. they were expecting that which makes it way easier and they execution part is just blocking standing or blocking low i.e. 1 button press lol

>>714014362
Even if that were true (it isn't), do you realize that "you can do well because only retards play" isn't a very compelling argument for the genre as a whole?
If your opposition is nothing but retards, then why even bother with fighting games when you can just play a single player game? You're fighting retarded enemies of the AI variety but at least the game may have plenty of content and set pieces rather than the same 2D plane every single time.

>>714014765
your argument is literally "broooooo everyone is a giga sweat and plays like crazy", saying that retards can play it and you dont need to be a top 1 korea GOD to win online matches on low - intermediate ranks is fine
>If your opposition is nothing but retards
I never said that...? outside of beginner ranks, but its obvious why thats the case

>>714014559
>it doesnt take milliseconds

>>714015159
>I never said that...?
Here

>>714013753
>tekken and guilty gear (sf6 probably too, but I never played it) has a shitload of noobs who just mash buttons randomly and dont play properly

>>714015174
its a glitch in an old game no one plays these days, you boot up SF6, Temu8, or Soive and its giga easy execution with very little skill required, at worst something will be hard to do bc the input will be super new to you and it'll take a bit of practice to do

>>714013259
first of all there is literally no reason to memorize jump frame data in any game
second of all vsav is one of the harder games because of its speed and rng being part of the main mechanic, not because of esoterics in the frame data

>>714015296
dude are you stupid, I literally added "outside of beginner ranks, but its obvious why thats the case", which is what I said in the post second quoted, you literally just took out of context something I wrote 5 mins ago

*>>714015653
which is what I said in the second post you quoted

>>714015394
>its a glitch in an old game no one plays these days

Fighting game fans try to trick people into playing an inaccessible genre due to three reasons:
- The pleasure to crush another human being, to stomp on it with their boots
- Having warm bodies to practice their combos and new tryhard strategies before using them against the other tryhards
- Creating the illusion of the genre being profitable so developers keep releasing games and content

Nothing of those three benefit the newcomers or actually give the newcomers actual enjoyment. Which again isn't a bad thing (why would you care about anyone else but your own's enjoyment of anything?) but it's still something that needs to be said.

>>713985801
nu god of war's gameplay, at least 2016's, is unironically better than any of the classic games. Seriously go back and play them, it is not well designed. I don't think GoW '16 has amazing combat but it's better designed.

and I don't want to hear that
>muh movie game
Because the classic games were unironically some of the ORIGINAL movie games. Forced climbing or walking segments which more or less existed to show some EPIC scenery or w/e. The newer games obviously have the problem with being like 5x the length of the OG and more "dialogue" which is gay and boring but no, the original god of wars are not that great at all and unironically poisoned the industry at that time and I unironically believe it paved the way for movie games along with other shit like uncharted.

>>714010681
Waiting for a new Soulcalibur or BlazBlue game. The current era is boring as hell and the next era is going to be simple tag fighters, so that going to be more garbage to avoid.

>>714015914
dude it has like a dozen or so players online in the steam version so you probably wont find any matches at all, are you going to go to evo and play them or someting

>>714016128
>dude it has like a dozen or so players online in the steam version
Just like any other fighting game, again due to the genre's tryhard nature.

>>714000186
Kamiya solved it by calling them j-action and there's been no real counter as why it shouldn't be called it. Remember that he said this in response to people discussing the term "JRPG"

>>714011145
>I don't want to learn how to play a game and get better at it, I want to mash
Really outting the average "action game fan" on /v/

>>713991718
he didnt want to get some STD

you know rachel has been around the block if she was asking to fuck some dude who's face she has never even seen

>>714016243
sf6 had 30k players daily when I checked awhile ago, tekken had around 10k when they didn't kill it (I think it's around 4-6k), and strive had a couple thousand too, pretty easy to find matches in all these

>>714011606
DMC and Ninja Gaiden have a lot in common just how Dark Souls and Lies of P have a lot in common, something like the Arkham games don't fit with any of these which is why the term Hack and Slash exists, for games like DMC and Ninja Gaiden

>>714016308
Kamiya also said DMC should have a reboot in the style of nuGoW, so forgive me for not giving a shit about what he thinks.

>>714016904
no they don't, they are different in nearly everything

this thread rly outing that most people just post videos of good players while mashing on normal

>>714015174
in dmc royal guard is 6 frames and max act is 1 frame. doing something with a tight input window is just muscle memory to get the timing down/how forgiving the games input buffer is IE its not actually a 1-2-whatever frame input 99% of the time

>>714016493
Matches against tryhards, which makes buying (and booting; you don't even get to play the games due to being trapped between combos) a waste of time and money.

>>714017160
>He's wrong because he said something unrelated
Absolute cope. No real argument.

>>714017319
>in dmc royal guard is 6 frames and max act is 1 frame
And you can play and finish the games, even on Hell or Hell difficulty, using the other styles.
Unlike fighting games, playing in the realm of the milliseconds isn't obligatory.

>>714017348
>wtf stop being good at the video game you're supposed to let me get hits on you dude
maybe the most grim thing ive ever seen in this kind of thread on /v/, I genuinely would rather see 100 NG2 shizophrenics over this b/c at least those guys talk about being good at video games and liking them

>>714017531
Why do you find so hard to believe that most people would rather play a game where they aren't forced to engage on thousands of hours of laboratory / practice mode before they're allowed to play?

>>714017319
Here's a cool video I've made
https://youtu.be/Knzn4M4YRwQ?si=3E4AFnonucuqj2l_

>>714017531
>100 NG2 shizophrenics
There aren't that many of us, or I don't think so anyway.

>>714017649
why do you assume you have to play like a top player in order to play the game at all as if these games don't have ranked modes that will eventually filter you towards your actual skill level. you think a DP spamming ken or zangief that just wants to flip coins understands his frame data or is "reacting" to a 2F move because you're suffering from an extreme case of dunning-Kruger

sf6 sold 5 million in only about 2 and a half years vs 10 million for dmc5's 6, so I think its fair to say people are buying fighting games more then single player juggling simulator, guess we'll have to come back in another 4 years to see how the numbers compare

>>714018168
>The most prominent DMC5 hater is a fighting game fag
Now everything makes sense.

>>714018168
>why do you assume you have to play like a top player in order to play the game at all
Because that's the very nature of the genre itself; It's one of the purest competitive genres.
Fighting games are something people don't play for fun, but to win.

>>714018039
this is a cool video but is it really faster to throw the shuriken before doing the ground stab

>>714018247
>hater
lol. itsuno got his start at capcom making fighting games btw - including cvs2 the game linked here >>714015174 as an example of how fighting games are sooo hard bro even though literal children were throwing fireballs on a snes controller back in the sf2 days

>>714017649

>>714018446
>is it really faster to throw the shuriken before doing the ground stab
don't remember, I was rusty when I was recording this and did it unintentionally

>>714018390
>Fighting games are something people don't play for fun, but to win.
not only is this wrong but it still doesn't explain why you have to play like a top player in order to beat people who are themselves not top players.

again you do understand every game in this genre since 2008 has had a ranked mode that sorts you, and before that you just played people in your local area and information wasn't nearly as widespread so the overal player skill was way lower unless you took a plane to meet up with all the other killer players.

>>714017185
Nope, they have pretty much the same combat, only few differences

>>714018624
>you have to play like a top player in order to beat people who are themselves not top players.
Because everyone who plays fighting games are top players themselves. There is no such thing as a "casual fighting game player" because the genre is extremely complex and demanding. If you want to play you HAVE to become a tryhard because otherwise you won't be able to play at all.

>>714018893
>stylish-character-just-action game fans who are into games so hardcore they need a special genre name when they can't do the same move 20 times in a row without being punished and the attacks don't have lengthy telegraphs.

you're right that its an extremely complex and demanding genre. that means unless you're playing people who are getting top results in worldwide tournaments the other guy you're fighting they're going to also have things they haven't mastered yet and make mistakes, mistakes you can take advantage of. the idea that fighting games are something only the sickos can ever hope to play blatantly doesn't hold up to reality where every tournament steam I see a grappler player making the same mistake 5 times in a row and still win.

unless you're saying the very act of doing the inputs is tryharding, which is like saying all tic tac toe players are tryhards because they expect you to draw the X inside the boxes instead of in the corner of the paper

>>714018893
this is pretty false, you don't need to be a giga sweat to spam wake up dp and other basic strategies in lower ranks, you just need to learn the basics which aren't crazy at all, for 2d games especially

>>714018893
Fighting games arent that fucking hard and most people play them for the characters not the depth of gameplay mechanics.
I can only understand your bitchin if you was talking about getting into Starcraft 2 on Korean servers.

I can't get into fighting games because I'd just remember low tier god's rants, laugh and then be unable to concentrate.

>>714019669
>you're right that its an extremely complex and demanding genre.
Which is why no one who plays videogames as a hobby or leisure activity has any reason to bother with them.
In a way they're like Olympic sports: people practice them as a career, not as a hobby or a passion. You play them so you can eventually earn money from tournaments and sponsorship.

>>714015923
>he is genuinely defending movie games
i am always amazed at the kind of shit people come up with

>>714019976
>You play them so you can eventually earn money from tournaments and sponsorship.
evo existed for about 10 years before they even started giving the guys money for winning. you're saying nobody would play a video game with a high skill cieling and an execution barrier for fun in a thread talking about fucking devil may cry - the game where people do crazy elaborate swordtrickguard dante combos that are mechnically as hard if not harder then any fighting game released in the last 20 years - for fun.

you live in a fake reality.

>>713985162 (OP)
who even came up with 'character action'? what a retarded phrase.

>>714020879
the real term is CUHRAYZEE but tourists don't know that

>>714020607
You don't need to spend thousands of hours practicing Rebellion's basic attacks while analyzing said attacks' frame data, hitboxes and hurtboxes because otherwise you're combo'ed to death every single time you try to play a stage.
DMC's skill ceiling is nothing compared to the average fighting game's "requires an entire life of practice"'s skill ceiling.

Also it's pretty hypocrite of you trying to talk highly about Devil May Cry when you despise it as a "juggling simulator".
Your words (>>714018168 - "single player juggling simulator"), not mine.

>>714021072
everyone knows what dumbass DMC lingo

>>714021182
>what

that*

Playing Ninja Gaiden Sigma for the first time. Games pretty great outside of the finicky camera. Wasn't expecting Resident Evil esque flow the game has.

>>714021414
You got meme'd my man, NG is a shit series and you're wastign your time

>>713985162 (OP)
Is it too late to just call them dmc-likes?

>>714022778
bayonetta games are dmc-likes, ng are dmc-lites

>>714021414
you should use the recent camera bind more often

>>714023271
*camera recenter

>NG subreddit is snoying over NG 4 now
It's over

>>714023943
what did you expect and why are you going to reddit in the first place

>>713985801
>Godhand
>shit
YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!

>>713985162 (OP)
CUHRAZEE ACTION GAMES*.

>>713985801
>God of War
>any era
>Good
Nice joke. List discarded on that alone.

>>714024216
That sub used to be good before tourist invasion.

>>714024645
no anon, you are the tourist
now go back

>>714023943
The real NG community is on 4chan and YouTube channels like Farnham and zSenzy

bump

>>714024953
Those two complain just as much as reddit thougheverbeit.

>>714024953
Twitter too, WokeBlader said hes gonna drop a vid on NG 2 soon.

>>714020879
Character action as opposed to party action (RPGs)

>>714007313
NG2 already topped it

>>714020521
>I am a gay retard with no reading comprehension

>>714023943
No shit. NG redditors are literally the people who hyped up NG2 as the greatest action game ever who downvote any and all criticism and parrot "NG3RE is bad" without giving any solid reasons why

>>714023943
what I hate about reddit is you can't be critical about ANYTHING without getting mobbed. Like you can't even give a
>I like X but dislike Y
you'll get showered with
>Uh, like what Y dude? You a h8er or sumthn?? I clicky the purple thumbs down

>>714027635
>hyped up NG2 as the greatest action game ever
based
>parrot "NG3RE is bad"
based and correct
wtf reddit has better taste than /v/

>>714021414
You'll get used to the camera after a playthrough. Staying out of places where it spazzes out is just part of playing.
>Resident Evil esque
It came out after DMC1 and Onimusha where it drew a lot of inspiration from. Where NG really went in a different direction was with the combat where TN took their experience from making DOA.

>>714024953
electric underground is good too

>>714031572
Hi mork! What kusoge will you be reviewing next?

>>714032129
NG3RE

oh thats who mork is? I was wondering what the schizos were talking about in the last thread

>>714033173
newfag

>>714033021
But that's a kamige. The real mork only reviews late itagakisloppa like Devil's Turd

>>714034053
idk bro I've steered clear of these threads for years now and only have come back because I haven't seen the NG autist pop up yet

>>714034305
Devil's Third is more ambitious than NG3RE, making it the better game

>>714034312
>the NG autist
which one, itagaki avatarfag?

>>714034750
>Devil's Third is more ambitious
nothing ambitious about it.

I have given up on Bayonetta
I have platinumed normal mode, got plats/gold in hard, and plats/gold in NSIC
Tried Angel Slayer but it became so repetitive and so tedious I realised I just wasn't having fun
That being said, Bayonetta is the only one of these games I ever put decent time into and dare I say, might be good at
Where do I go from here? I've played every DMC (except 4) on normal mode, finished MGR, finished God Hand, finished NGRE and dropped 2 and Black, finished Wonderful 101 and I don't really get the hype, finished Devastation and it was decently fun but the loot turned me off
What do bros?

>>714035238
Might as well play DMC4, then either the NG games or try the good DMC's (1, 3, and 5) on harder difficulties.

>>714000186
Yahtzee literally got filtered by normal mode Bayo and thinks Demons Souls is the epitome of difficulty

>>714031572
>good
LMAO

>>713985801
>souls
literal brainrot

>>714034750
I'll die defending all the post-capcom Mikami games because they're really good and better than the stuff capcom comes up with. But it's impossible to defend itagaki post-koei output. Even NG2 is hard to defend

>>714035590
>post capcom mikami games
Isn't that only Vanquish, Evil Within and its sequel though?

>>714033021
Wrong guy.

Hold on bros, I'm charging an attack. It'll take a few posts

>>714024953
I'd say billibilli since NG2 became popular with Chinese nerds

>>714015914
>Fighting games aren't accessible

>And it's not gatekeeping so they don't get humiliated by 10-year-olds like in COD and even fucking Tetris

LMAO

>>714036031
Nice reddit spacing

>>714015914
You faggots are still doing this meme that fighting games are SUPER HARDCORE AND TOUGH AND BRUTAL despite how hard the genre has been fucked and how pussified you FGC faggots have proven to be lmao

>>714035716
He has like 6 post-capcom games

>>714036126
>Control

You can use any control in fighting games. Even delay is neglible at high level unlike other e-sports games

>Combos

Children have time for this.

>Inputs

Children have time for this

>Framedata

children have time for this
Nothing stops kids from BTFO ‘'legends’' of fighting games. It's just a lack of interest and how difficult it is to access tournaments without sponsorship and adult money.

>>714035238
If you sunk more time into Bayo but prefer stuff like DMC, Soulstice is kind of a middle ground. It is more ground-based and features a hefty amount of weapon swapping so it's very much like DMC but it has a Bayo-style "you lose access to your cool super attacks if you get hit".
Really the pool of games in the genre is very shallow, especially on modern hardware since the largest time for the genre was 6th and 7th gen consoles which don't often get ports of their more obscure games.

How replayable is Stellar Blade?
I don't need to get a thousand hours of it but if I'm paying that much I want some meat on its bones.

>>713990851
>finally getting a playable Regent in the form of a weapon
Funny. Also it looks like every Bloodraven form has its own button hold mechanic judging by the footage. The odachi charges up for big range, the drill seems to pierce for a ton of focused damage and have a release timing for bonus hits, my guess is the hammer will reload and let you boost across the screen. Not sure about the fists though other than I bet it'll have something to do with grappling.

>>713990851
I'm not feeling this game.

>>713990851
Kino but will make Itagakifags made because there's no shovelware press Y to invincible awesome bullshit

>>714037259
Instead it'll probably just rehash a bunch of Bayonetta mechanics like dodging being absurdly OP and having a shit camera

>>714035238
NG, Itsuno's DMC and God Hand should be your priority.
>>714037259
They literally brought back essence chaining and trippled down on OTs. Cry about it.

>NGfag talks about any other game having a shit camera
>dodge being OP

>>714037676
Can you give us a stream and show us how NG is meant to be played? I feel like I'm missing something and would like to see an expert play

>>714037693
Shatinum will ruin this series like they ruined their own, sad but true.

Stream begging is BACK on the menu, boys.

We're missing a lot of key characters
Off the top of my head we're missing
>kh2fm schizo
>barry
>FF XV schizo
>"bayonetta is a tps" schizo
>various dmcfags

>>714037763
I'll stream if you gift me discord nitro for a year and an avatar border .

>>714037802
What? That guy keeps posting about how great NG is, all I want to do is see someone stream it and explain it
If he's so brilliant wouldn't he relish the opportunity to show off and explain?

of course he's a discord groomer lol

>itagakifags are discordfags
As if we needed any more reason to ignore these non-playing faggots LOL

>>714037925
>>"bayonetta is a tps" schizo
He's the guy directly under your post

>wonderful 101 is too gimmicky and unpolished to take seriously
>MGR is too easy and has no depth
>devastation has that awful loot system and is just bayonetta again
>already mentioned my issues with bayonetta
So what the hell Platinum is left that's actually worth a shit?

>>714038179
The crossover slut's game?

>>714038583
Which one?

Why is Stellar Blade so clunky? Holy shit it feels like ass.
>That endlag/delay on every combo where eve just stands there like a retard
why

It's so fucking kino

>>713985801
>Good
>classic God of War
Stopped reading there. Everything else is automatically wrong and you have shit taste.

>>714038840
/thread

>>714027524
>he came back just to cope and seethe
lol
lmao
get fucked moviefag

>>714038179
If you've played all the games Hiroshi Shibata worked as the lead gameplay designer on (Bayo 1, TW101, and Devastation), then you've already played the best games Platinum has to offer excluding Vanquish. None of their other games are as good as those.

>>714039681
>no argument
pathetic bug

Just put Jetstream Sam himself as a boss in NG4. I wouldn't complain.

I am going to actually play a videogame

rollslop killed action games

i killed action games

>>714041736
Same

>>714043765
>he fell for it
Fucking why?
It's an itagakishit game for one, and it was rightfully panned by critics
Just because fucking Mork "downloads DMC 3 saves" underground says it's great doesn't mean it is

HOLY SHIT I am so mad right now. My savefile before the final Regent/Canna fight got overwritten because I started a new game.

>>714043765
Female character has tattoos

>>714043857
>why?
I really like the game because it’s fun, the combat is deeper than people give it credit for. Putting together different combos is key to winning against punishing bosses. But the game doesn’t tell you these combos or hold your hand. People freak out at the first August boss saying (it’s documented on youtube) “now I understand why the game gets bad reviews” literally a skill issue. I can see people ragequitting at a few different spots of the game including the final boss Richter. Fun tip for anyone struggling there, if you can stun him at any point during the second phase you can melt his health bar quickly using bullet time headshot up close with the right gun upgrades, I focused on damage accuracy and recoil. Reload bullet time headshot up close and the fight will be over just like that. I’ve had good luck with sprint dodge attack while he’s in healing mode

>>714044969
>sprint dodge attack
I meant spring slide attack

>>714045187
don't worry nobody was going to read your post anyway

>>714000186
>spectacle fighters
that's for gacha games

>>714045219
Well arent you just a ray of sunshine

Speaking of Wanted Dead, I remember how Itagaki was supposed to work on the game but was too drunk to do so, and that Joosten demanded her parents to show up in every meeting.

>Itagaki Tomonobu was supposed to produce the combat system but his heavy drinking problem prevented his involvement. He would show up for meetings with 110i representatives once in a while, but it was very unprofessional. Matsui would be working full time on two jobs. We openly protested Joosten’s involvement with the game because she has a very bad reputation among development in Japan. Sergei was adamant that she carries the cutscenes for the game. She would be present on all calls with the studio and would work at night when mocap was happening in Japan. She couldn’t fly because the borders were closed. She gained a lot of respect from the team for long working hours but it was not a healthy vibe with her. She claimed to have perfect Japanese but sometimes she didn’t understand basic things.

>Itagaki Tomonobu was supposed to produce the combat system but his heavy drinking problem prevented his involvement. He would show up for meetings with 110i representatives once in a while, but it was very unprofessional. Matsui would be working full time on two jobs.We openly protested Joosten’s involvement with the game because she has a very bad reputation among development in Japan. Sergei was adamant that she carries the cutscenes for the game. She would be present on all calls with the studio and would work at night when mocap was happening in Japan. She couldn’t fly because the borders were closed. She gained a lot of respect from the team for long working hours but it was not a healthy vibe with her. She claimed to have perfect Japanese but sometimes she didn’t understand basic things.

>>714045484
Oops, fucked that one up

>110i had a very good presentation at Tokyo Game Show but a studio I cannot name tried to sabotage the showing. They asked the committee to remove all 110i presence from the show. If you look back at Tokyo Game Show 2022, it was all 110i, Tecmo, and Capcom. They are all friends. Sergei is big friends with these people but one studio I cannot name was against 110i primarily because of Joosten’s involvement and we were all surprised. Wanted: Dead was not a part of the online show because of this studio’s pleas. At that time 110i worked with a very bad PR firm also recommended by DDM. The PR firm sabotaged the show and embarrassed 110i in front of the whole world by giving IGN a very early cut of the game’s demo with debug menus and bad gameplay footage. The vibe was wrong. Everyone acted very strange at Tokyo Game Show. Joosten would demand her parents to accompany her to business meetings and design meetings. It was unacceptable but Sergei was adamant.

>>714044969
Holy fucking shit lmao
>dude it has a few jank combos so it's actually le good
Itagaki brainwashed you retards

Back to the Legend of Korra game.

>itagakishit
Also it’s been said that Itagaki was not involved in the game, they put his name down as an homage/half joke. Also timelines dont match, he was working on his nft scam at the time

>>714045484
>>714045529
I mean there's a reason why Itagaki is considered the worst hack in game development
He needed TN, not the other way round

>>714013259
fighting game nerds get brutally mogged by people with good fundamentals, numbers and combos mean almost nothing as long as you keep playing until you adapt and find the proper rhythm, I started playing fighting games earlier this year and with enough time I quickly found myself getting closer and closer to beating these "tryhards". The real tryhards of fgs will rarely ever play against you because they don't find it to be a good learning experience nor fun, you're just being bullied by mid to below average players that abuse gimmicks to win, they're really not that good at the game.

>>713985801
6/10 bait. putting souls at the top makes it a little too obvious

>>714045484
>>714045529
Joosten has crazy girl eyes but really hard to imagine her actually attacking another female VA like they said. The whole being blacklisted by the Japanese industry thing, people running with it saying thats why Kojima ghosted her for the Fragile gig is weird also. Pretty sure she wasn’t just ghosted she had an audition and didn’t get the part

She is good in Wanted Dead, didnt have a big role, should’ve been bigger, her presence made for a more fun game

>>714024953
>The real NG community is literally a few dozen schizos that only play vanilla NG2
Incredibly grim if true

Reminder fighting game faggots literally bend the knee to corporations, ban players for banter, have corporate sponsorship, ban anything not safe for work, and accept the horrible monetization

I'm really liking a certain game but you guys are just going to shit on it

Are the HD collections of DMC good or not? I keep reading a bunch of shit about how they're changed and not the real versions, but it seems just graphical and not gameplay

>>714024953
Nah I care about people who aren't fucking schizo like MasterNinjaRyu and DLLoyd091x.

Reminder Black Myth Wukong belongs in the genre when you call it Character Action so does Spider Man 2

>>714046996
>I keep reading a bunch of shit about how they're changed and not the real versions
Anon, you're going to get comments like this even if a remaster is completely identical in every way except that they changed the color hue of a single door in the game to be slightly darker. If you want to play DMC 1-3 then just get the HD collection. 95% of the time the people complaining about how a remaster isn't "the real verison" are fart sniffing faggots.

>>714046150
>I mean there's a reason why Itagaki is considered the worst hack in game development
that would be Kamiya actually

>>714046510
>blacklisted for not humiliating herself

LMAO after the Tokyo TV scandal there are still people defending the Japanese ?

>>714046595
NG2 fans carry this franchise on their backs, never forget that

>>714046996
Get it on PC and mod any issues with it. Get the style switcher mod on PC for DMC3SE.

>>714019794
>get in the corner
>character pressures me for more than 3 seconds
>immediately remember the "I DIDN'T GET OPENED UP, I JUST LITERALLY GOT TIRED OF BLOCKING" rant
>get opened up because I can't focus anymore
everytime.

>>714046996
Dogshit except for the mods that fix all the problems in the collection making it the best version of the games. And for some dumb reason Style Switch is exclusive to the Switch version, but the modded version is better than what Capcom released.

>>714046996
There are some graphical/sound glitches which are unfortunate but not the end of the world. My biggest gripe is that they didn't bother giving it cloud saves on Steam and that they put the new gameplay stuff for 3 into only the Switch release.

>>714047274
Hacks in order of hackiness
Itagaki
Kamiya
Fish
The yiik guy

>>714047457
where does Aonuma fit in

>>714047341
>mod
I'm not trans

>>714047457
Where's Kojima? Where's Suda51?

>>714047569
Suda51 is just an ironicfag, he's harmless
Kojima, despite claiming he invented the camera, is actually doing interesting things in gaming
He at least does have good ideas and good games, which is more than I can say for Ita "the 5fps 360 is the most powerful machine in the world" gaki

>>714047525
Are you trying to gaslight me?

>>714046996
HD Collection is just a port of the first 3 games. 3 has some wonky text display on Steam for some reason. I'm pretty sure that the largest thing that you might point to is the HD Collection has more crisp graphics which some people think look worse because of the PS2-era graphics that a lower resolution can accommodate for.
The only gameplay difference is that 3 is the Special Edition which is just DMC3 but with more stuff in it.

>>714047632
Mods are for trannies, ESPECIALLY gameplay changing mods
You are literally not playing the same game

>playing game
>not doing too bad
>realise there are people on youtube already way better than me
>get this weird sense of futility that nothing matters
How the fuck do I just enjoy myself without the knowledge someone is mogging me?

>Suda51
Shadows of the Damned hella remastered is a hackjob but a really fun one

>>714047791
pull up random streams of players that suck
remember that videos and clips of gameplay are often curated from hours, days of discarded footage

>>714047695
Oh boy, I can't wait to tell the Project M team for Brawl the bad news.

>>714048030
That's actually what made me realise I'm not that bad at Bayonetta
I'd watch a stream and it'd be some guy just spamming PPPPPP with shuraba

>>714047791
3 choices:
Decide that you'll be as good as or better than them and commit yourself to it.
Forget about it and just have fun with the games.
Quit vidya altogether, probably society too and go live in a cave.

>>714048096
>mods are for trannies
>brings up fucking smash
Yes, exactly

>>714047695
Vanilla experience can often be garbage. Mods that fix performance problems and other QOL stuff are more than fine. There are also combat mods that, depending on the level of scripting, are a direct upgrade of the original, such as the like a brawler mods.

>>714017160
doesn't stop him from being the father of the genre, thus having the right to name it.

It’s interesting how Vanquish is a tps game but gets included in the genre because Inaba/Platinum even when it doesn’t meet the criteria

>>714048190
LOL
>uh actually i know better than the devs because uhhh

>>714048546
Mikami is the real father of the genre, Kamiya just stole all his ideas and pretended he came up with them. Why do you think he was never able to make another good action game after DMC?

>>714048586
please don't insult Vanquish, I really like it and my sensitive heart can't take criticism
Although that fuckin sniper section is retarded

>>714010681
yes. mostly granblue and blazblue

>>714048586
Peopele consider it part of the genre because of shit like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcCCwxUbQM0

>>714048546
>thus having the right to name it
That's not how it works. And J-action is a retarded as fuck name. Souls is also Japanese, are you going to call that J-action too?

>>714048692
I like Vanquish, a lot, but you gotta admit it’s a bit of an outlier when it comes to saying what belongs and what doesnt

The thing I don't get about Wonderful 101s minigames, is why not spend time polishing them?
>no you don't get it it's an epic reference to zaxxon
That means nothing when the actual gameplay pales in comparison to real shmups
Just because it's a fucking reference it doesn't make it good

>>714048838
I count Gungrave and Max Payne as 'action'.

>>714048730
>people consider it a part of the genre because of one glitch that let's you know an enemy into the air without immediately running out of energy
Let's be real, the only reason it gets brought up is because this "genre" barely has any games and people get bored of only talking about DMC, NG and Bayo.

So now that Bayo 3's framerate problems are finally solved on Switch 2, what's the final verdict on the game itself? I only played it once and wasn't sure if it was overall and improvement or even worse than 2.

>>714048949
I might give Gungrave Gore a shot, been thinking about it. It looks like a… tps shmups and it might be fucking great that’s if true

>>713991718
Ryu looks like he'd has an above average dick for an asian but at the same time has erectile dysfunction. Idk why.

Gungrave Gore was fucking atrocious
Is Mork obliged to pretend every game critics pan is a secret success because of a single God Hand review?

>>714049118
It's okay-ish, it has UE jank, and it can be a superspam fest on later levels/harder difficulties.

>>714048626
>NG3

They re-released 3X and did 2 overhauls of the gameplay yet still have input lag problems. They also removed netplay features from the last release, no practice for you.

>NG2

4 re-releases and 4 overhauls and still has input lag problems

>NG

4 re-releases and 4 overhauls and still has input lag problems

>DMC3

3 re-releases and 2 overhauls

>Kingdom Hearts

Every game in the series has re-releases with KH2 having like 6 overhauls or something
And there are many other games where the devs do this. For example NG2 without patches, (which is arguably a mod), on XBOX 360 is almost unplayable with softlocks and a glitch where you have to delete your save. There's also input lag

>>714049085
Kaiju combat is as lame as V sections in DMC V.

>>714049281
lolwut? That's from the devs
Modders don't know shit

>bayonetta 2 is... LE BAD
let this meme die already

>>714049085
It's still an unbalanced mechanical mess that doesn't know what it wants to be. The magic system is still too messy with the summons, with the summons themselves being too overcentralizing when it comes to scoring and some enemies being built around them. Also, don't forget about Viola, who still sucks even after the patches.

>>714049356
It's fucking terrible, only casual tards that think getting all stones on easy is a good score think 2 is good

>>714048626
Mods actually turned KH BBS (HD version) into a better experience.
https://www.nexusmods.com/kingdomheartsbirthbysleepfinalmix/mods/31
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdUhweHTe9Y
Before you say anything, Stickman was already known for fighting the secret boss in BBSFM under specific conditions, so he was already use to playing the game normally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXd0shZLYbc

>>714049186
He was right about Wanted Dead too

>>714049483
>kingdom im inside kairi sharts
We're talking about real action games

>>714049528
It's an example of mods improving a game being better than the experience a dev intended.

>>714049356
I like the first one better but nothing wrong about Bayo 2 outside the parapa the rapper brat character, the hell part being a disappointment and shit weapons.

>>714049624
We're not talking about nonsense button mashers lil zoomie

>>714049186
>because of a single God Hand review
God Hand got pretty mediocre reviews all around. Gungrave Gore is definitely a middling game but it has some interesting stuff going on, definitely worth at least trying for the 6 bucks it goes on sale for these days.

>>714049683
>"The mod improving the game doesn't count It doesn't count because it's not an action game!"
Take the L.

>>714047791
Pick one trick out of a video you thought was cool and learn it. Fiddle with it and fit in into your own styling. Once you've mastered it, go back to the videos and pick out something else. Keep doing that until you're either as good as them or you decide to move on to another game.
Either way is fine, as long as you're having fun.

>>714049201
You might like El Paso Elsewhere if you like Max Payne. It’s kind of influenced by that, and it plays like a third person Hotline Miami. Doesnt belong in the genre but it’s a fun shooter

>>714049349
>NGS Master

Removed the annoying, but, integral analog game control feature of the game. Now Ninpos go max level breaking the balance of the game further

>NGS

Wasn't headed by Itagaki so it wasn't his original vision

>NGS Vita

Broke the balance of the game even further with the addition of stats. Earlier game MN is arguably more difficult because they removed the weapons which was a thing in NG Black, a game that was headed by Itagaki.

>NGB

Actual vision of the original creator, not only a cash grab
And NG3 removed online features and practice mode. NGS2 is an even bigger downgrade, removing entire chapters, weapons and the latest release removed the online feature. It also has input lag

>Take the L
I want zoomers out of my action game thread.

>>714049798
God Hand literally got 7-9s across the board apart from a single outlier with IGNs 3 review

>>713990835
Does it have the butt rock, though?.

>>714049823
>itagakis original vision
FUCKING LMFAO
Imagine thinking "360 is the most powerful console ghost fish horrible bosses" gaki is worth listening to

>>714048637
the wonderful 101 is the greatest action game of all time tho???

>>714049856
I was born in 1993 of March. Gen Z starts at 1996. I'm a millennial.

>>714049974
Almost as bad desu

>>714049973
No it isn't
The first playthrough is amazing, hilarious and hype, but it's not a game to take seriously
Too many issues

>>714049876
God Hand is sitting at a 73 average with a good amount of scores in the 60s (and even lower ones) and not a single 90. Its reception was average at best.

>>714050064
Yeah that sounds about right though
It's a 75-80

>>714049973
not an action game, it's a pikmin-like

>>714049821
Sure, I'll look at it.

>wonderful101 is so good that the main shill for the game had to make a 40 minute "how to enjoy" video and a mod to fix the problems
HOLY FUCK LOL

>>714050167
His opinions on action games are even worse than Mork's, all he does is constantly suck Kamiya's dick.

>>714049085
its still a very ugly game artistically speaking, and there's still the usual genre-shift platinum bogging it down, oh and the enemy design is really bad sometimes, but bayo 3 is underrated when it comes to its gameplay, and demon slave is the biggest filter in the genre

>>714047791
How? I just look to their clips if I get stuck and want to see what strat the pros are using and if I can emulate it.

>>714049956
>Itagaki

Anyway, NGS2 broke the tracking of the UTs and the attacks. There is currently no way to access the Vanilla NG3 dlc's unless you have downloaded them previously. This can only be fixed with mods, like they did with the practice mode which is only playable with mods.

>>714050267
Mork is /ourguy/ confirmed

>>714049085
If platinum had kept supporting it, they would have finally increased the number of weapons you can use at the same time. For now, we have to wait for mods to fix this

>>714050294
>and demon slave is the biggest filter in the genre
I can name at least 3 bigger ones:
>DMC3 Flux
>NSIC witchtime removal
>Nioh Ki pulses
Demon slave is braindead easy compared to those (none of which are even that hard, but clearly filter many).

>>714050031
besides the genre-shifts, what problems immediately jump out at you? issues that would pop up the more I play these kind of games is primarily enemy design and scoring, and I think wonderful 101 is pretty damn solid in this regard even if scoring could have used some tweaks

>>714050568
Holy fuck lol
The genre shifts, which consist of about 70% of the game, are terrible, unpolished, don't use the core mechanics and are just shit all round despite being graded on them
The core mechanics are fundamentally broken too with poor drawing registration, a horrible camera and tedious enemy design

I like juggling, and I'm sick of this narrative being push, that it's intrinsically bad when implemented in action games.

so what youtubers am I supposed to parrot the opinions of now

>>714050637
>genre shifts about 70% of the game
Definitely hyperbole but yes, its the worst part of the game, I agree.
>core mechanics fundamentally broken
each morph serves a clear initial purpose, and a shit ton of other purposes the game lets you figure out on your own. Team attack (and by extension gun) are extremely strong options to shut an enemy down. There's multi-unite for if you need to whip out a specific option without swapping morphs or to continue combos/juggles. And you can even buffer a stinger/upper/cyclone as you input a morph so it comes out immediately
>poor drawing registration
Besides two of these being a fucking circle and line, the other two are fighting game inputs, one is a squiggly line, and the other is a 9. I'll give you that hammer is the trickiest one to get down 100% of the time with speed liner and R2 held
>horrible camera
Its fine enough for the fact they couldn't place camera control on the right stick. And for the enemies off camera, there's audio cues to tell when they're about to fire. It ain't perfect but far from horrible
>tedious enemy design
This is the one I just don't see at all. Even the enemies who barely reach the point of tedium (spiked enemies) are made easier by the fact a large whip gets rid of them in 3 hits or less. Otherwise its good all around.

>>714051695
Why is it only action games that gets anti-eceleb autists riled up?

>>714051798
What this comes down to is that the game needed more polish, shrimple as
The first playthrough is amazing with the humour, crazy story, hype moments etc, but to take it seriously as an action game is a fools errand because it's so fundamentally bad

I think NG4 will be a fun game. I don't think it will succeed though.
>$70 dollar price tag and you have to pay 90 dollars to get Ryu's NES blue outfit and NG3 outfit
>Ryu may only have one weapon
>No playable sexy chicks like Ayane, Rachel, Momiji, and Kasumi
>Ryu even being replaced as MC at all which this will be the third time now after Yaiba and Ragebound
>Yakumo looks like a KPop star for women
>MGR like mechanics
>Soulslike dominate the meta, and the only really successful action game in Modern age was DMC5. Journalists are gonna play on Baby Hero difficulty to get through and spam the same combos over and over again
>Most of the game takes place in a big city and not enough colorful locations (so far)

>>713985801
>Bamham

>>713985162 (OP)
I challenge every single regular who makes these thread to post their own gameplay. in fact we should even hold our very own stylish competition.

you're here in this thread every single week, there's no excuse for you to not show up

>>714052005
I'm too shit to post my gameplay, but I encourage the actually good people to do so

>DMC 5, Bayonetta 3, and now NG 4 all fell for the 'campaign split between multiple playable characters' meme
DMC 4 was huge fucking mistake holy shit

>>714051695
Not Mork lol

>>714052058
you're on a fucking anonymous board nigger. why do you act like you have to entry with your STEAM user name.account or some other reason to not enter. Just fucking enter you loser

>>714052335
It still stings
But I shall enter
Where shall we enter

>>714052272
name one thing he's wrong about

>>713985162 (OP)
They are called Beat 'em up. My boomer coworkers say so.

>>714052486
The girl chapters in Sigma 2 being good.

>>714052584
I find Sigma 2 girls fun, compared to Rachel segments in 1, but I also enjoy the DMC girls in 4 SE, so what do I know.

>>714052404
>Where shall we enter
If you losers actually stop being the losers you are who babble about games you don't play and show interest then I'll set it up a schedule and place where I can collect all the entries. Upload them to Youtube, setup a sync that we can all join so we can all watch together

But I doubt any of you will enter since you don't play these, you just shitpost about them

>>714052058
Find a less popular game to be at least mildly good at, it'll seem impressive.

>>714052743
/v/style is never happening again and that's a good thing. Fuck off with your dead Reddit /cgg/ bullshit.

>>714052743
I just asked you where I should enter, literally indicating I want to join...

>>714052743
are you going to veto anyone who tries to submit Souls gameplay

>>714047083
>MasterNinjaRyu
Wasn't he defending Ryu having one weapon?

how do you make them not blatantly worse then every other gun, like they have been in dmc 1/3/4/5? 2 and dmc only have pistols as the best because the other guns are worthless instead of them actually being strong

>>714053170
They're for juggling, not damage.

>>714049186
Yes. You now understand his ways.

>>714053170
Their GunSlinger moveset and the fact they fire as fast as you can mash, have kept them viable forever. No one NEEDS to animation-cancel into the high-DPS gun of the game, to S rank even DMD. Not only >>714053207 but they keep you in the air pretty well, they don't lock you into an animation as hard as other guns past 1.

>>714051991
Already pre-ordered.

don't understand how mork can be a contrarian when his favorite shmup is ddp doj which is some of the most basic bitch taste you can have on shmups excluding ikaruga and radiant silvergun

>just follow this superplay and never deviate and you'll have a 1cc
Shmups are a joke that are just memorization

>>714053260
Would explain why he liked Demon's Souls so much... kinda based though

>>714053451
if it were that easy you could pull this off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enajqq-ptb8
shmups are just way harder than every action game combined

>>714053570
LOL

>>714052937
And I told you if there's interest I'll make an announcement but I doubt it since you niggers would rather shitpost about the games you don't play.
>>714052983
>are you going to veto anyone who tries to submit Souls gameplay
Yes. If it's not a "Stylish Action Game" or "Character Action Game" I'm going to veto that shit. That goes for games like Nioh and StellerBlade too.

>>714052005
I agree, you should start first

>>714053641
>That goes for games like Nioh
was going to say based, now I must say cringe

>>714053641
But there is interest, I just said so
Also it's LITERALLY called Stylish Action because that's what DMC 1 was marketed as

>>714052486
>name one thing he's wrong about
His God Hand video.

>>713990851
The camera is so static and lifeless.

>>714053570
>Daifukkatsu
LMAO at least post something challenging. Daifukkatsu is the easiest CAVE game of all the CAVE games. You could have posted SDOJ which not even all the "shmup pros" can 1cc it that's why everyone likes DOJ the most because it's the most fair but challenging while SDOJ is like "go fuck yourself" lmao

It doesn't really matter actually, there will always be games that uncomfortably cross/split genre lines in a confusing way and there's no way to square all of the special cases and terms we have for games that are from different regions. There's no need for a singular language. There are 50,000,000 music genres but it's actually unhelpful to quantify them in the largest or smallest ways and tells a prospective audience nothing of substance.

>>714047457
>Kamiya
He hasn't directed a single bad game.

>>714053716
>LOOK BRO! Souls but cool!
This is (You).

>>714053867
LOL

>>714053806
>post something challenging
where is YOUR dfk 1cc then?
that's what I thought FAGGOT

>>714053869
if you think Nioh is like souls outside of a few basic mechanics you aren't the one who should be running something like this. it's like saying DMC is just RE with melee weapons

>>714053862
>uncomfortably cross/split genre lines
Example? The entire DESIGN PHILOSOPHY of CAGs is LITERAL ARCADE DESIGN where you are scored at the end of a mission (or room clear). But also the high octane gameplay and the engine itself allowing for exploitation.

I can't believe I'm responding seriously. I just know you're going to say some dumb shit

>>714051991
>>$70 dollar price tag and you have to pay 90 dollars to get Ryu's NES blue outfit and NG3 outfit
true
>>Ryu may only have one weapon
pointless to argue about something that may or may not have happen
>>No playable sexy chicks like Ayane, Rachel, Momiji, and Kasumi
good, those were always crap
>>Ryu even being replaced as MC at all which this will be the third time now after Yaiba and Ragebound
meh i don't really care as long as it's fun to play
>>Yakumo looks like a KPop star for women
who gives a shit about this
>>MGR like mechanics
like what?
>>Soulslike dominate the meta, and the only really successful action game in Modern age was DMC5. Journalists are gonna play on Baby Hero difficulty to get through and spam the same combos over and over again
everyone has fromslop fatigue, even journalists
>>Most of the game takes place in a big city and not enough colorful locations (so far)
retarded zoomer take
play NGB, not sigma retard

>>714053996
That would be Onimusha, and Nioh has the mapping, camera position, level design, menus, life system and general structure of a souls game, that shouldn't be a hot take.
It's as removed from souls as Blood Borne, which is to say not much.

>>714048697
Based for granblue, BlazBlue is cool too

>>714053996
Show me the execution depth in Nioh, the skill ceiling that most players will never be able to reach. Show me some Nioh tech that isn't just example the actual game mechanics. Since you're the spokesperson of Nioh I expect a explanation written and a visual one to show off the tech. Otherwise you're full of shit.

>>714049085
Bayo 3 isn't trying to be Bayo 1 or 2, which is good. I think the concept of trying to make Kaiju's a main part of combat is interesting and done fairly well but at that point why are you even playing as Bayonetta. All of the weapons are cool but the game is literally designed around the kaiju mechanic so a lot of the time there isn't a point in doing anything else.
Game never feels like it gets as challenging as 1 either.

Graphics are ugly but I blame the switch, they're way too ambitious for the hardware they're using.
Viola is literally DMC4 nero but even worse. Really simplified, boring combat. Her design looks fucking terrible and doesn't match any of hte games aesthetics or any of the other character designs.
Story is lame but better character moments than 2 imo.
Music is still great, Viola's theme is half the reason I didn't completely hate her sections.

>>714049315
Cmon dude. V sucks because you're controlling characters that fight on their own and aren't 100% responsive when you do try to make them do something. Bayo's summons have actual control and switching between them lets you pull off cool juggles.

>>714054251
>training room comboslop
dmc5 was a mistake

>>714053902
He’s not wrong. If we’re going strictly by games he directed
>resident evil 2
>DMC
>Viewtiful Joe
>Okami
>Bayonetta
>The Wonderful 101
that’s an insanely good track record. KAMIya slander is out of control

>>714054251
If I wanted visual clutter sold to me as spectacle, I'd be a W101 shill. Atleast V has readable summons, these are too fucking much, even for Bayo. I wanted to play as the bullet witch, not Hellsing that vogues.

>>714054302
>memeshit
>memeshit
>memeshit
>horrible memeshit
>terrible
>kusoge

>>714054124
>Everyone has Fromslop fatigue
>Nightreign, one of the laziest asset flip cashgrabs ever made, still sold at least 3.5 million and is currently one of the most played games on Steam
>Meanwhile NG2 Black peaked at about 2000 players

>here's your new ninja gayden

>>714054151
you have not played it, or if you did you played it totally wrong like someone spamming stinger over and over in DMC3

>>714054220
watch some of this and see for yourself, I'm not going to be your professor and all you need are eyes to see that the gameplay is nothing like Souls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaYOgK1EBac

>>714054328
You can complain about them changing the gameplay too much but my entire point is that saying it's worse than DMC V is retarded when bayo 3's system is a lot more interactive and you have a lot more control

>>714054432
By your logic pubg is the bestest game ever made

>>713990642
>because you can use swords too
Lots of beat em ups have swords in em. And not just as pickups.

>>714054439
>toggleable lock-on
No game with that will ever be a real action game

>>714054441
If you're gonna reference Ki-stance switching as your major defining feature as to why Nioh is completely original (even though the team was very open about taking inspiration from Souls), that's not really a good arguement.
SEKIRO has more deviation from the Souls formula than Nioh does.

>>714054341
It’s 2025 anon, contrarianism isn’t the main thing anymore

>>714054297
>dmc5
This kinda shit started with DMC3

>>714054441
>Wants NIOH to be allowed
>Back peddles into "just watch some youtube video bro"
And there you have it. Nioh's combat depth is so weak anon can't even defend the game

>>714054328
>If I wanted visual clutter sold to me as spectacle
Every and I mean every modern action game has visual clutter issues.

The concept of clean, clear visuals doesn't exist to game developers anymore.

>>714054535
>how dare you actually think critically instead of just feel LE VIBES of the game

Mort or Electric whatever guy is actually spot on about Wanted Dead. Especially the part where he talks about how Wanted Dead’s combat shines managing the grey areas between melee and tps in a way other games haven't really done. It’s a fun stick and move hack and slash shooter thats well worthy of a playthrough if you like challenging Stylish/Character/Violence action games. It’s not a contrarian sensationalist opinion anymore it’s actually a good little weird game

>>714054584
you don't think this looks good?

>>714054480
Worse than is wrong, but I'll rephrase my stance as, I don't want to play V the game, when previous entries were melee focused. Puppeteer/Summoner moveset would be fine if that was tied to Viola, or Jeanne, but when the whole game is sold on Kaiju battles (to sell the hardware and spectacle), I just don't care.

I can play NEO TWEWY or KH3 if I wanted a game about pulling summons out of your ass.

>>714054328
>Defending V

DMC fanboys are insane

>>714054509
Where the fuck did I say anything about the quality of the games, retard? I'm just pointing out that you're dead wrong about Soulshit being on its way out, they're still the most popular type of action games by a massive amount.

>>714054532
I didn't even mention ki pulse, even if it is one thing that elevates it above Souls, what the fuck are you talking about

Niohfags are so miserable lol

>>714054619
>uh actually this horrible kusoge is good because something something animation cancels Itagaki was a genius despite not even being able to shit out a fucking fighting game in a year

>>714054619
why do you shill this dude all the time, is there really no else to shill on youtube?

>>714054584
DMC 1-4 and Bayo are SNES games compared to how visually loud >>714054664 is.

>>714054664
You lack reading comprehension

>>714054601
>spam buzzword salad as response to list of directors work
>”critical thinking”

>>714015923
>Moviegame is when you have scenery
>The game is 5x longer because of shitty forced exposition? Nah, it is the game that still had more gameplay to story ratio that poisoned the industry!
This post reads like very desperate bait.

>>714054689
Nothing to be miserable about when team ninja keeps delivering us fun games.

>>714054741
>thinking garbage like resident evil and wonderful 101 is good

>>714054665
>I can play NEO TWEWY or KH3 if I wanted a game about pulling summons out of your ass.
And you can play Bayo 1 if you want the classic Bayo playstyle, there's nothing wrong with a series actually trying out something new for a change.

>>714054689
He's literally running from the enemies with suggest the game doesn't have on the fly defense mechanics. He's like a cockroach lmao

>>714054729
Almost like DMC1-4 and Bayo don't fit the definition of modern. Notice how you left out DMC5?

>>714054787
I would hope for new weapons, locals, enemy types and bosses, not a full rework/overhaul.
>>714054861
I listed those because the latter are high fidelity and can run on a toaster, I'm not knowledgeable enough to speak on RE Engine stuff (I had a 1050 and 4060, and it ran fine, but bringing up DMC V in the context of visual anything opens up the meat hallway rants).

Sekiro is the peak of action game
https://youtu.be/dReREg4Dtyc?feature=shared

>>714054709
Mork is literally the saviour of this genre. We need none else.

>>714054769
Are you baiting? You're completely twisting my words. I specifically called out how the old god of war games are filled with walking and climbing segments. Segments that served no other purpose than to show some epic scene or to be more generous, hide loading screens (which is also a big problem with 2016). When it comes to the combat, it's objectively better. The only gameplay 2016 does way worse is the puzzles, old games weren't super hard thinkers but they were more interactive.

You know it's possible to have several different opinions for a game right? The combat is better, the length of the story bits and overall game length is a lot worse. It's possible to recognize positives and negatives of one game and compare them to another.

Nuance apparently doesn't exist to most of the people in this thread.

>>714054998
Not my savior. I prefer watching combo video, style players.

>>714054934
Wo Long beats Sekiro in quite literally every single department.

The Stylish Action Game Hierarchy:

TRVEST AND BEST
^
| DEVIL MAY CRY
| NINJA GAIDEN
| BAYONETTA
| METAL GEAR RISING
| NIOH
| SEKIRO
| SOULS
| GOW
v
PURE SLOP

>>714055091
>combo
>style
>watch
Yeah DMC5hitters can't beat the allegations.

>>714055154
this list ends with MGR

>>714054441
>this is a Combo Mad in 2025
There's nothing worse in life than watching lessor skilled players in their casual games disrespect a legacy. Like, I bet a Twitch Streamer can do everything in this video.

>>713985162 (OP)
Hack 'n' Slash action games, to be precise.

>>714054432
fromcattles aren't human and therefore excluded

>>714055262
OK where's your MAD sis?

>>714000186
Yahtze is such a loser he was never able to get good in even a single one of these games
Which is why he associates a derogatory word like "spectacle" with this genre

He never got the mechanical substance part

Is there any other game genre so full of internal fighting?

>>714010681
Fighting games, beat em ups and unironically card games are all neighbourhood dwellers of character action

>>714055341
Me and my parents

>>714055341
Yes, literally all of them. Fromfags have constant threads fighting over DS1 vs DS2 vs DS3.

>>714054934

>>714055262
literally the equivalent to someone watching DMC3 gameplay and saying they could do that because the enemies are just sandbags lol

>buttonmash gameplay
>repetitive dull environments
>cringe anime character thinking they’re “bad ass”

Which game am I describing?

Fromchads are NOT soulscucks
Fromchads play AC, Evergrace etc

>>714055496
DMCV

>>714054619
>the grey areas between melee and tps in a way other games haven't really done.
Vanquish did it better and way earlier. Also devil's turd has almost identical combat to wanted dead

Anyone else immediately disregard the opinions of people who call it "DMCV"? It's a sure way of telling that they haven't even played it.

>>714055496
Battletoads.

NG2 is still the best.

>>714055621
Implying 5 'fans' played it themselves lol

>>714055636
does gamestop have it?

>>714055687
Do people even remember or know of this anymore?

>>714055621
Motherfucker, the V was everywhere, the visual theming surrounding the 'V' was so in your fucking face, they made a character named 'V', who is also half 'V'ergil, on the Vth DAY IN VVay, at Vpm. So, sorry if my mind, when thinking about it on /V/ makes me go along in calling it that.
/Vigger

>>714035238
Urban Reign
Its not that deep but its very rewarding to master
With some very clever enemy group ai
These fuckers will send one guy to bait your combo string and then collectively shit down your throat
Never seen such clever behavior by bots
But its all manageable of you position properly and use your sweep

>>714055747
I do
And that's all that matters

>>714055785
I agree anon. I agree

>>714055749
It is clearly DMC5 in any system library. just admit you've never played it and you just enjoy shitposting.

>>714055781
>clever enemy group ai
No. Input reading is neither clever or fun. Shit is ass.

>>714047791
Seems like your own DNA is telling you that you are worthless
Killing yourself is the only way out

>>714055494
You really think that's what people say when they watch DMC?

>>714055823
>behind the title
>'V'

Hi-fi rush is so annoying.

>But it will save the genre

>people are mean

No, this game epitomizes the worst of the genre and is quite pedantic with its rhythmic shit.

>>714056002
you can't pretend you've never seen that unless you're new to this genre, it used to be one of the most common things people said to mock the idea that DMC games had depth

>>714055312
I made a few Combo MADs for Bayonetta, DMC4, and some Tales games long before you knew this genre existed young pup

>>714056116
>BP
LOL

>>714056086
It can be annoying, but to say it's the worst of the genre is overblown and shows you haven't played much.

>>714054480
They'll keep deflecting but V is absolute bullshit and Astral Chain (the forerunner of this mechanic), and Bayo 3 did it better

The Sphere Hunter needs more mention around here. She has decent DMC content and /v/ is obsessed with her

>>714056214
>she
>her

>>714056214
LMAOOOO

>>714056116
>>714056141
>Super Costume

>>714056003
You have brain damage, son.

>>714056185
It's more about the mediocrity of the game. It's everything I don't like about the other games but none of the good stuff. And it was so overhyped by people that I thought “yeah, maybe it's worth buying this game” but it's not.

>>714056273
THAT'S A FLAMING RED V
WHAT DO YOU MEAN

>>714056214
Grim. Can't be possible a literal shill is a figure head of this genre.

>>714056320
It was a 'covid' game, most 'shill' posts at most shilled goymer pass, the biggest sin about HFR is DRM. It does stuff fine, that was what I think you're conflating with hype. It was shadow dropped with little to no fanfare, and was fine in a sea of early hardcore DEI slop, especially with Forespoken and Saints Row Reboot. But I feel any positivity towards a game on /v/, is probably in a sense overhyped if it's not eroge.

It's a better DmC:Devil May Cry in my opinion, which in itself sounds like an insult.

>>714056320
Game was fun, I don't think you like any games, you're too angry to like vidya

>>714055894
Lmao. The phone indeed looks like magic to knuckle staggers from the middle ages.
You are only getting input read if you are doing the wrong thing. Or if you repeat shit at the wrong time. Get more iq.

The reality is that a lot of the people in these threads have some really high standard for what they think action gameplay should be and when confronted with what game they actually enjoy they either dodge the question or they say it then quickly get their shit pushed in by contradictory statements about what they want.

If you like to combofag, play DMC
If you like score hunting, play Bayo or TW101
If you like mobile combat, play Ninja Gaiden
If you like closer melee combat, play God Hand
If you like parry focus, play MGR

The genre is hard to define because the only thing connecting these games together is being able to juggle regular enemies and having some form of cancel mechanics.

It's not about combos because not all games have in-depth combos. Ninja Gaiden can use launcher > izuna drop but the depth stops there, anything else you can do is overkill and not necessary.
It's not about scoring mechanics because Ninja Gaiden and God Hand don't have real scoring systems that anyone cares about and lets be honest, DMC's style meter is overrated and very easy to keep up. Not to mention that very few people actually try to achieve S ranks or equivalent for most of these games and it's just posers
It's not about hard combat because if you ignore score, a lot of these games can be beaten without too much effort. If you include score, there's a lot of score guides for these games that give simple strategies which rarely require any advanced tech

So what's left? What ties them together? Even if we use the criteria I mentioned, what's stopping god of war from being in this genre? GoW 3 has combos and cancels. My argument isn't that god of war should be included but that people in these threads have strict requirements on what games should be included when what ties them together is very loose ultimately. Time to stop "gatekeeping" when the reality is most people in this thread are here because they think liking action games makes them "better" than others

>>714056324
???????

>>714056519

Rate my skills bwos no bully D:
https://streamable.com/94bt9k

>>714053170
In DMC1, E&I fill out the DT gauge extremely fast.
And shoulder buttons gunslinger E&I are super strong.

>>714056606
Bro I don't know what to tell you, I'm sorry but I must stick with the brain damage diagnosis.

>>713985162 (OP)
Subgenres are important Anon. Its okay to make a distinction between Ikaruga and Devil May Cry.

>>714056687
You even made your filename dmcv.png

>>714056497
/thread

>>714056185
Nah he's right.

Hi-Fi Rush doesn't do anything new. The rhythm part of the gameplay has little relevancy and isn't that difficult so if you take a step back and ignore that aspect of the game...what are you left with? An extremely mediocre moveset and the reality is a lot of the game is based on the partner attacks which really simplify combat.

The most egregious part about this game is the AWFUL soundtrack and extremely annoying hit sounds. The entire game is all about music and rhythm yet it wants to use extremely generic music that sounds like it's from 2008 blended in with a handful of overplayed licensed songs. Also I actually like the perfect drug from NIN but it's use in this game is TERRIBLE.

>>714056497
This has been solved years ago
See>>714004694

>>714056714
Anon, I...

>>714004694
>>714056497
>>714056772
Really, they're all just "video games" if you think about it. Why make things more difficult than that with all this genre nonsense?

>>714056470
I'm a nightshifter and I don't follow news so I don't follow drama. So I just don't understand the hype behind this game. It's like, there's a lot of good stuff out there. Why not support the most promising projects. Like, there's a entire sub-genre based on THPS/Jet set radio and no one talks about those games. You have to dig through youtube or come across some random recommendation on steam to find these games

>>714056751
But, back on worst of the genre, it being middling is hardly worse than being unplayable or unpolished. Again, people just thought it was okay, and relished in the simplicity. But again, this is the equivalent of overhyped. When at most, most anons just want to fuck the girls and cat.

>>714056660
>mobileslop
kek you shitters don't belong here and will never be accepted

>>714056856
The genre question is easy. They're action games but for years we've had this autism of trying to create this "subgenre".

So what are they then anon. Go ahead and define to me what ties together all of the games I listed. It's indisputable that people will include DMC, Bayo, Ninja Gaiden, God Hand, and MGR in this genre. So what ties them together? Why would GoW3 be excluded?

Scarlet Nexus lowkey mogs dmc5 NGL

>>714056939
I do bring up Bomb Rush, and people say the same thing about it as they do HFR (pozzed, just play [game it's based on instead], it's too simple compared to other mechanics). And Tango isn't exactly big. No one overhyped HFR.

>>714056497
the thing that unites them all is depth, they're action games focused on deep combat, that is the main objective of the developers, the rest, like story, are but a second thought or secondary goal
that is what differentiates games like gow and nier automata, they're story-first instead of deep combat-first

>>714055056
>He doubles down on it
Oh yeah moving between arenas is definitely brim filling the game with walk segments, totally worse than 2016 where 70% of the game is a fucking walking and talking segment. Sure.
>Combat is better
2016 onward is the most generic fucking combat imaginable in current day. Its just soulsshit that Balrog pretends was "inspired" by god hand purely because of the camera placement behind Kratos.

>>714057016
Is OoT an action game? What about SotC, or Bastion? I guarantee that if you start focusing on the "action genre" as meaning something the stupid arguments will eventually follow, meanwhile people will still try to find ways to specifically talk about games they group together like this. The only hope is to accept subgenres and just not take them THAT seriously. The fact that we all agree that those games fit but GoW is questionable is good enough to define it for most purposes.

>>714057050
Most of these games lack depth tho. That's the reality. That is the fucking reality a lot of people aren't ready to face except for when they're shitting on a game they don't like.

By trying to bring that up, you are proving yourself to be one of those people that try to latch onto this subgenre as a way to make yourself seem "better" than other gamers. If it was about deep combat, then something like nu-team ninja games but they aren't and really the only real answer to that is because you can't universally juggle basic enemies or at least not at baseline level.

What's the depth in DMC? Ninja Gaiden? Those are the face of this "sub-genre". Go ahead and tell me how far into the depths those games go with their combat to prove you're not talking out of your ass and aren't just another poser who wants to feel comfortable believing they're "better" than some fag that just plays fromsloppa

>>714057195
Action-Adventure, JA-RPiG, TopDownARPG

>>714056497
Meh, this is some weird niceposting flex. The truth is no one here plays these games at a high level. That's it. Everyone here is too embarrassed to post their own gameplay because they're not even good at the shit they shill that's why they always post youtube links or stolen webm clips and not their own unless it's some casual as fuck game like Nioh, Dark Souls.

This thread is for shitposting anonymously, that's it. Stop trying to make it more complex than what it is.

>>714057318
I can't guard fly, I can't do a lot of Judgement Cut Loops, and I can't MAX-Act a lot. But I throw out a mean DRI.

>>714057195
Stop deflecting and answer my questions. oot and sotc are easy to dismiss anyways, they're adventure games first and foremost. You're literally trying to shift the argument to something more broad instead of addressing the question on what the "character stylish j-action" genre is supposed to be.

>>714012582
man i wish we could have something like nmh but more stylish, punk shit fist perfectly with the genre

>>714057427
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_resemblance

j-action is a good name, shame it didn't catch on

Recording gameplay and then picking out moments to make webms out of sounds like too much work and I'm lazy. I don't know even know how you guys do it.

>>714057481
you must be a sekirofag with how much you deflect

>>714057514
*Hacktion Slash.

>>714057427
>what the "character stylish j-action" genre is supposed to be
NTA but they never answer this question. I've tried but they refuse because they know it's all based on arbitrary bullshit. They can't even agree amongst themselves.

>>714057550
What deflection? There doesn't NEED to be a single thing in common to put things into a group, clearly the universal agreement on some of these games qualifying is enough to legitimize them. This is not a unique problem for this subgenre.

>>714057542
I record with shadow play and then edit openshot video editor, not hard whatsoever

>>714057318
People are very quick to judge others if they post gameplay, even if someone else won't. Then you get people who want to use your gameplay as some ad hominem to discuss how X game is bad. Even if your gameplay was high level it would be easily criticized.

If you're good at these games you probably wouldn't be posting clips on here anyways

>>714057032
>just play [game it's based on instead
this is actually true in regards to bomb rush though. they didn't really improve on JSRF in any way (closest would be buffing manuals a shitload and reworking boost to be from tricks instead of items - but this just made every level full of empty flat spaces linking the "real" level that you're expected to manual between for infinite boost) and in some ways its just a flat downgrade (less levels of a similar size, no multiplayer, the absolute clusterufuck it takes to swap your character and ride, the combat and competitions against other gangs are somehow even worse)

it feels like a game they made because they lost a bet after people said "hey your funny baseball fighting game kinda looks like jet set radio"

>>714057542
nigger shadowplay exist. and on console the capture button exist. you literally have no excuse.

now watch your stupid ass be stupid in the reply
>uh m-m-m-my system cant record!
>capture function? w-what's that?
what a stupid ass nigger lmao

>>714057240
first, I don't feel "superior" but ok
this "sub-genre" takes much inspiration from arcade game design, but with a broader appeal, they incentivize you to replay the games or experiment to discover new things
the depth of DMC comes from the combat, as I've said
in DMC you're supposed to experiment with your tools and enemies to find good combinations or routes to use with enemies, for example, a simple way to explain this in dmc 1 there's the "compendium" or whatever it's called that saves information on the enemies when you do something to them, for example, hitting a sin scissors with alastor and stunning them unlocks an entry that says that you can stun then by hitting their scissors, that's what you're supposed to learn by experimenting by yourself, but dmc 1 has an easy way to show you that
that's just an example, but the depth goes far beyond that, and that also goes to combos and most things related to the combat, and that's why you're supposed to replay them and why they are inspired by arcade games
NG is the same thing, NGB's combat is an even better example of this

>>714057616
>clearly the universal agreement on some of these games qualifying is enough to legitimize them
It isn't because there is no room for growth. People will argue a lot about what games do or don't fit into this subgenre besides the ones I already pointed out.

Unless a game is strictly copying one of those above games, people will argue about if it should be included. God Hand is included but people will throw a fit if you try to include Sifu. Same with something like Nier Automata. I pointed out the GoW3 example because it actually does have the hallmarks of these games and has combo potential but again people would throw a fit if you said it should be included because....BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T OK?!?! I don't like gow3 or nier but my entire point is just that it breaks the argument for what defines these games.

>>714057641
>People are very quick to judge others if they post gameplay, even if someone else won't.
Literally said the thread is for shitposting. Literally said that, why are you repeating it?

nobody asks to show gameplay in good faith anyway
they'll always find something to be angry about

>>714057660
>they didn't really improve on JSRF in any way
I think the visuals are nice and the game does have small gameplay improvements. Just very smooth to play. Music is different but I think it still fits. Also the game has boss battles which are different. It's a nice game it's just disappointing because they could've easily stolen mechanics and scoring systems from tony hawk to take it to the next level but didn't.

>>714057660
I agree that it didn't improve on anything JSRF did, I think it's a fine facsimile with aesthetic differences that makes it novel given how dead Jet Set as an IP is. Your latter points (levels, Multiplayer, soundtracks, characters) are all moddable, but that wouldn't be a fair point FOR it as a vanilla game. BUT it is super moddable so I say it has a silver lining as a product on PC.

As a standalone, bootleg Jet Set clone, I still think it has movement freedom that makes it more appealing to pilot through than OG Jet Set and some early Tony Hawks. I would rather more facsimiles than hoping for a golden goose amongst literal whos that you also acknowledge, is glorified Pong.

>>714057629
Still too much work. I just want to play a game, not prove myself to people on 4chan.

>>714057775
So why isn't Nioh in this genre then because it does all of that.

>>714057835
Asking someone to post gameplay is the equivalent to challenging anons to a FT10 in a fighting game or any game in general because they'll get exposed for being shitters

>>714057882
*made what is glorified pong
Which is a point to them because it was also a fun idea that didn't do anything too crazy.
As the other anon stated, they nailed the look and movement and that's half the battle. The soundtrack varies to hell and back, but the characters and locations look like they belong in Jet Set, which is the heavy lifting I give leeway too. (sorry to samefag).

>>714057835
It matters a lot when someone questions the skill of a game or tries to claim they're better. The itagakifag shits up these threads constantly because he has no life but he doesn't post gameplay.

>>714057791
Well I don't know what to tell you, I and others find it useful enough and I certainly think discussion would be no better if we just called them action games because people would still try to split things up, which would just go full circle. Categorizing things often has problems like this so I guess you can try to ignore it if you want.

someone give me a list of good character action games that aren’t any of the following:
>ng
>dmc
>bayonetta
>mgrr
>sifu
>wanted dead
>stellar blade
>platinum games
>kingdom hearts

>>714057884
> I just want to play a game, not prove myself to people on 4chan.
if you actually believed this you would either actually be playing video games or at the very least not replying instead of posting on 4chan endlessly. put up or shut up

>>714057835
I keep asking in good faith that Itagaki webm poster to stream his gameplay to show us what an NG expert plays like, but he never does
Not my fault he never does

>>714057884
it's zero work whatsoever

>>714057926
the only reason to not include nioh 2 in this "sub-genre" is the RPG elements, so it's a bit different
but personally, I don't mind if people also include nioh 2, it probably fits more than god of war

>>714057882
The thing is, this isn't the only JSFR clone. There are more than 20 of these games in the depths of itch.io, steam or twitter.

>>714058027
>character action games
Stop.

>>714058027
>character action
Back to youtube faggot

>>714058027
Nioh 3

>>714058079
DMC3 has rpg elements.

>>714058027
nioh
wo long
stranger of paradise
rise of the ronin
no more heroes
urban reign
viewtiful joe
dragon's dogma
monster hunter
berserker khazan
shinobi
batman arkham city

>>714058027
Assault Spy is worth a pirate-
Urban Reign is worth emulating-
Samurai Western is worth emulating-
Way of the Samurai 1/2 are worth emulating, 3 and 4 maybe worth looking into-
OG Gungrave is worth emulating-
>>714058118
Nightshade as well-
>>714058093
And aside from Hover, I hear fuck and all about them on here. If you know any better than HFR, I'm willing to check it out. I knew OF HFR from (Devolver?) teasers and saw Naganuma had his name attached.

>>714058027
Scarlet Nexus, but it takes awhile until you unlock most of the fun moves
Monster Hunter Rise fits as a pseudo character action, although it's too easy and boring up until the dlc endgame
Darksiders 2

>>714058209
Then devs knew people would rather grind to max and then properly play the game, leading to a system that debuted and was dropped immediately after.

>>714058209
considerably less than nioh, you can't even call it a rpg, while nioh is an action rpg

>>714058264
>Samurai Western is worth emulating-
it's an unironically a two button musou game

>>714058093
>There are more than 20 of these games in the depths of itch.io, steam or twitter.
none of them have the scope polish and nailed visuals of bombrush

>>714058342
It's Kinoge, bitch. Get raped please.

>>714058027
Genma Onimusha

Are any of those musou's actually engaging and fun. I hear some people talk up samurai warriors and sengoku basara.

>>714058341
But anon said RPG elements in general. Doesn't matter the degree of how much they affect gameplay. Just whether or not they're present. Fact is DMC3 has RPG elements and that is not disputable.

>>714058386
it's barely a ge

>>714058426
Oneechan Bara Z2 Chaos (yes that's an actual title) has fun character swapping, mid combat weapon switching and decent juggling mechanics.

>>714058452
>DMC3 has RPG elements
so do zelda and sonic adventure, are they rpgs?

>>714058386
It's been exposed. Give it up.

>>714058426
it's a 3d cookie clicker with cool Chinese/Japanese guys

>>714058476
>doesn't deny it's kino

>>714058501
I have seen people unironically argue that Zelda games are RPGs

>>714056497
>GoW 3 has combos and cancels.
because before everyone was copying dark souls everyone was copying devil may cry 1

>>714058426
Dynasty Warriors Origins is really good

>>714058527
But do look at 2 and 3, they have fun weapon autism mechanics where you can make OP swords and spears.

Someone make new thread

>>714058537
it's kino the first 10 minutes, yeah, and it's irrelevant bc the guy asked for j-action games and not a novelty musou

>>714058452
yeah, but the rpg elements are so minor you can't even call it a rpg
at that point basically every game has rpg elements

>>714058597
pls no, we shouldn't have more than 1 of these a week

>>714058608
>j-action
and hack n slashes are novelty musou.

>>714058567
I should've excluded that one. I played the demo for it, it just feels like i'm playing a less polished team ninja game. I know part of the appeal of these games is a ton of different characters

>>714058546

j-ackofftion
ej-actionulation

Archive it

>>714054530
Baffling post

>>714059992
I appreciate the increasingly specific reasons to exclude Nioh desu, it's kinda funny

>>713985801
Good
>DMC 1 and 3
>Classic God of War
>Itagaki Ninja Gaiden
>Bamham

Shit
>Souls
>DMC 2, 4, Reboot and 5
>Nu God of War
>Bayonetta
>MGRR

>>714060327
Forgot to add
Shit
>Hayashi Ninja Gaiden

>>714059992
no real action game uses souls lock on, sorry

>>714060382
>souls invented lock on

>>714011043
>NG2B versions of the girls
>hot
None of the classic Team Ninja girls have looked good since Sigma 2 and Dead Or Alive Dimensions

>>714060382
Finally, we're kicking DMC out of here. Good riddance.

what if we call them "big action games"

>>714060762
>dmc lock on
>toggeable
retard, you hold it, you don't toggle it

>>714060862
I liked Hyper Action but it never caught on.

>>714060878
there's no argument here bud. you're mad about lock-on and dmc uses lock-on and I agree that's why dmc stinks