Thread 714087106

>asking government to regulate video games
you cannot make this shit up

They're already regulating our games, at least let them regulate in a way that also fucks over devs instead of just gaymers

COPPEEEEE COPPPEEE REDDIT SHELL COPPPEEE

capitalism is a failed experiment. turns out it doesn't work when you've got jews in your midst

We need emulators, piracy and game preservation more then ever before


https://youtu.be/1bu4imMurjw

>>714087230
what the hell is "coe-pee" and why are you yelling about it?

>>714087106 (OP)
Stop using everything you own since it's all regulated by the goberment you colossal retard.

>>714087321
that's not a failed expiriment, just a badly done one
that's like saying "turns out water doesn't actually freeze at 0 degrees C' because i poured some vodka in it"

>>714087106 (OP)
>Asking the government to regulate cartels
lmao what a fag

>please daddy government regulate my interactive movies so that my feelings dont get hurt for buying every fotm goyslop that is released :)
I hate normalfags with a passion

>>714087570
>normalfags
I made my normalfag friends sign the petition and I'm pretty sure half didn't even understand what I was talking about

>>714087684
tell me of 1 good always-online game and maybe I'll sign it. Otherwise I'll just tell you to go back

Nigger at this point we should just nationalise everything to prevent kikes from owning it all

>>714087106 (OP)
>consumer protection laws are bad
You'd think that corpo-san.

>>714087809
I don't care what you do. I don't even play online games.

>>714087106 (OP)
Corpos use the power of the government to fuck people over all the time. Turnabout is fair play.

>kike bureaucrats get involved
>make everything more expensive, corrupt, and retarded
>don’t actually fix the problem they were supposed to solve, somehow make it worse
welcome to government

>>714087904
Based. I don't care about any of the games trying to be saved. The best case scenario is them explicitly stating their expiration date. I'd love that way more.

>>714087904
then go back, normalfag. This site was never meant for the like

I don't like how SKG is conflated with being against live-service games.
That's not what this is suppose to be about at all.
It's about saving those live-service games from being destroyed when they're over and the dev will no longer wants to support them.

>nooooo it costs so much time and money releasing the source code or binaries for the server when i want to turn my dogshit game offline
you faggots really want to own nothing and be happy

>>714088184
Slop eaters are usually normies anon. Do you have something to confess?

I like how people are treating government like a vampire that is powerless unless you invite it into your home when the truth is if they gave a fuck about the video game industry they'd already be all over it.

>>714087106 (OP)
>NOOO THE GOVERNMENT CAN ONLY BE USED TO STEAL YOUR MONEY FOR ISRAEL NOT FOR ITS ACTUAL PURPOSE
why are you lolberts like this

>>714088315
Time to make them start giving a fuck then

>>714088283
getting involved with something you have nothing to do with is peak normalfaggotry. Not to say that if this goes through, every normalfag who bought fotm slop meant to be a quick cashgrab will get off scot free. Die

>instead of just not buying shit games let's just beg daddy gubment to save us!
good plan

>buy a windows license
>microsoft arbitrarily decides to release a new version
>your system is remotely deactivated unless you pay more goybux for the new product

>>714088642
you can still use the old system, retard

>>714087106 (OP)
the EU no less. there's no way this could go wrong!

>/vpol/: FUCKING KIKES ARE DESTROYING OUR LIVES, I CAN'T WAIT FOR LE BASED ORANGE MAN TO SAVE US FROM THIS CYBERPUNK DYSTOPIA
>Also /vpol/: LEAVE THE HECKIN' MULTIBILLION CORPORATIONS ALONE COMMIES! WHAT ABOUT MY FREEDUMBS TO BE ROBBED???

>>714087321
electricity was a failed experiment. turns out it doesnt work when you touch it.

>>714088771
>Servers are shut down
>Can't use it offline
>Can't host your own servers

>>714088914
just don't buy the shitty fotm goyslop

Keep shilling americans, dont forget to give more tax breaks to Jeff bezos and co., gubermin bad after all and corpos controlling everything good

>>714088964
yes, because voting with your wallet infamously works

>>714087106 (OP)
Shill thread. In cases such as this all one can do is call them a faggot and ignore.

>>714087106 (OP)
>Release a patch allowing offline play or release the server code or put a sticker on the box warning the consumer that they're just renting access to a server and not buying a product
>AIEEE NOOOOO STOP TARDWRANGLING THE CORPOS!

>>714088885
The EU occasionally does good, such as tardwrangling corpos to stop them from cannibalising themselves.

>>714087535
what fucking cartel? good videogames can and often are literally made by lone independent developers these days

>>714087106 (OP)
https://files.catbox.moe/73l0tz.mp4

>>714089072
>voting with your wallet
that's a meme, you get ahead of normalfags by not spending money on slop every month. If this petition goes through, less games will be made, if you weren't buying said slop anyway it has no effect on you.

>>714087106 (OP)
I like it when my government adds regulations so corporations can't poison me with hormones and spy on me without consent.
Why do Americans seethe at this?

>Hey Picasso regulations say you need to add green paint to Guernica
>Hey Beethoven regulations say you need to use a harpsicord in this symphony
>Hey Wright Brothers this plane doesn't have the required number of safety belts we're going to have to demolish it
>Hey developer just add an entire single player offline mode even though the game isn't designed to work like that
Let innovators innovate. We don't need middlemen hurting video games.

>>714088885
this summer every single homeowner around here has had to remodel their thrash bin area because the old single bin has been replaced by two giant ones for some "home recycling" bullshit. millions and millions have been spent on replacing tens of thousands of bins and who knows how many garbage trucks and related equipment. just the real estate value of the land used by the larger bins in one small town runs in the millions.

thanks eu.

>>714087513
okay well are you going to remove the vodka or do I have to get the government to do it

>>714089517
not my problem. make the offline mode, wagie.

>>714089484
your government is spying on you without your consent and your moobs say enough about the rest. how naive are you?

>>714089517
This is more "Hey Picasso, you can't break into the houses of people who bought prints of your work and burn them."

>>714089517
Also
>hey developer maybe don't kill your single player game just because it has online check for DRM and you don't feel like paying for it anymore

>>714088025
cope. corporate kikes get their asses blown out by the EU on the regular.

>>714089662
government cannot get me to remove vodka

>>714089517
There is nothing innovative about stopping people from using the product that they purchased.

>>714088771
but what if you couldn't? allowing to keep using it instead of having it deactivated is what people want with games

>>714089295
And those lone devs usually implement a graceful Sunset into their games, many adding dedicated servers or drm free multiplayer into it, see Stardew Valley and Palworld.
This Initiative mostly fucks AAA slop raw into the ass, anyone against this is a literal jeet, a corporate bootlicker.

>>714090029
you bought an always online fotm goyslop and are mad that it's being deactivated? should have shown restraint, normie

>>714090029
But killing the game in order for you to buy their new game that is worse is good for profit and growth!

Eventually people will just stop making games and you'll all kill yourselves when the escapism runs out

>>714089689
>Just hire extra people to create this mode because The Crew shut down a decade after it was released
>Whoa WTF why did game prices go up?!

>>714090159
>Eventually people will just stop making games
Based

>>714089517
I don't want kikes to innovate new and inventive ways to steal shit from goyim

>>714090159
It's more likely that games will be forever be made than a man becoming a woman.

>>714090159
alright I'll keep replaying the older shit that is actually good, you can move on to poison a different hobby, normalfag

>>714090225
>It totally costs a fortune!
Don't be ridiculous. Even if a patch cost money, they can just release the server code or put a sticker on the box.

>>714090225
wow, better find a way to do it cheaper if you want people to buy your games. get back to work

HOW DID GAME PRICES BECOME $180???? FUCK YOU SKG AAAAAAAA HELP ME GOBERNMENT

>>714090225
It already had a single player mode. They could have just not had an always online DRM and let the people play their game.

>>714088315
they do care, all the media conglomerates like activision are full of ex-cia glowniggers

>>714089517
>just add an entire single player offline mode

It wouldn't require that

>>714087106 (OP)
I said I want SOME regulation.

>>714090428
Games costing 180$ would be better then them costing 9999999$, which they may as well cost since you'll be just as unable to play them that way as when their servers shut down with how things are now

>>714087106 (OP)
Thanks for the bait OP so people will talk about the movement more
>>714087419
He's trying to say "coffee" man's so delusional from caffeine withdrawal he's crying out to reddit of all places for help

>nooo you can't just own things you buy
what kind of a person says shit like this?
or is it just the modern 4chan "my personality is being a contrarian, even if it is to my own detriment"?

>>714087376
This guy sounds like he has food in his mouth. How fat do you even have to BE to constantly have a full mouth?

>>714089517
If you sell the game and you turn off the servers you have to leave it in a playable state, period. Nobody is asking for a new single player campaign or turning a mp game into sp, if it's always online leave behind some documentation and let people figure it out. They're not even asking for source code which would be ideal.

>>714089517
>turning games into disposable slop that becomes unusable after a certain period
>innovative
Notice how aggressive the antiSKG shills have gotten since Thor was directly called out?

>I actually think it's GOOD that Ubisoft can sell a game to people then shut it down completely and steal their money because it made 10% less than their projections

>>714090541
kek

>game on it's last legs
>sad... we have to release the server.exe the game just isn't feasible anymore
>*releases server.exe*
>some gamer sets up a server and asks for "donations" and to sub to his patreon for admin
>rejuvenates entire scene
>game company b-but p-please buy our newest title!

>>714090428
Because games are grander in scale and prettier. Developers know that normalfags will buy the game if it looks good, sounds good etc. The story has to be long and there have to be a lot of locations. Normalfags play through the game once and that's it, no reason to make a more compact and replayable experience. This makes it so you need to hire more people to get the game done quicker, hence higher prices

why are the mods allowing this advertising and begging thread

How come game devs were able to release server hosting functionality 20 years ago and not now? Oh right, it's because they still can but the prospect of competing with their own products terrifies them so they shut them down to funnel the playerbase into the new product.

>>714090642
Yes, nu-/v/ is largely populated by useful idiots who love corporate cocks but also bark about le jews so they can fit in among other useful idiots.
Games 20 years ago didn't come with a killswitch, I can still play Unreal Tournament just fine thanks to being able to join public servers, or host my own, and timmy tencent can do fuck all about that, but apparently for nu-/v/ having actual basic human rights is anathema because...le gubmint does something that justifies its entire fucking existence

>>714090856
How does this realistically work though? Activision/Rockstar still sent cease and desists to modded games like SM2 and FiveM.

>>714089517
read pic in >>714090635 maybe you'll be a little less retarded after
also, the "innovations" we've seen so far from the games industry when their greed has been left unchecked has been DIRECTLY detrimental to both game availability and game quality. Your innovators are greedy retards and whipped slaves for said greedy retards. Maybe if this was back in the 90s when games actually DID innovate your argument would have literally any weight.

>>714090752
It's almost like there isn't already precedence of developers releasing source code or server binaries for fair use with a clause that you're not allowed to monetize it, THAT'S CRAZY

>>714090642
>ownership is the most important thing
>>well I made the game, shouldn't I own how it is released?
>NO NOT LIKE THAT
every time

>>714090159
lmao, this is beyond ridiculous.
there's probably no job that more people literally do for free than game development.
regardless this isn't something that will hurt them. dedicated servers used to be standard. this isn't black magic.

>>714090752
k

>>714091147
But in practice this doesn't happen. Minecraft server owners greedy little jews. How do you think Hytale was even possible to make millions.

>>714091072
I'm not familiar with those situations honestly. Did the mod devs clarify the reasons for the takedowns?

>>714091334
Yeah I'm sure those donations to keep TF2 community servers alive totally got under VALVe's skin

>>714090159
>escapism runs out
>1k+ games in my backlog

>>714087106 (OP)
Ya it’s beyond retarded.

Gamers are too weak minded to simply not support companies who do this so they ask Daddy govt to clean up their mess. There are consequences for thjs laziness and they’re far worse than not being able to play bing bing waddle doo doo in your 40s.

>>714087106 (OP)
Yes

>>714090403
>it's such a small amount of money, who cares, now hand it over

>>714091334
Didn't knew there was an EU mandate that would explicitly fine anyone that would breach their agreement like with GDPR, Privacy Laws or any other consumer protection law in general.
Damn man, you've really shown me, let me guess, you're american or a thirdie? We actually have consumer protection laws here, fuck with them, you'll find out.

>>714090159
I've replayed Metroid Zero Mission every couple years since it came out and that's just ONE game. If all current projects in the industry were to drop dead TODAY, we would never be out of actual entertainment to personally explore. Same goes for just about any entertainment industry, so I say LET IT ALL BURN

>>714090159
>AAA companies will stop making games because they can't scam their customers anymore
>indie scene thrive because the regulation doesn't affect them
So the best of both world?

>>714090403
>put a sticker on the box.
Sticker: No server binaries, get lost.
Good idea actually

>>714090856
>How come game devs were able to release server hosting functionality 20 years ago and not now?
Videogame publishers have not birthed the idea of pushing planned obsolence for digital products yet. Once they did they started trying to wrestle control of videogames from gamers.
>videogame publishers started making games have always online DRM and server dependencies so they can be killed
>videogame publishers started delisting older versions of games from stores so people can't buy them anymore and are forced to buy overpriced remakes
Remember when Blizzard pulled Warcraft 2 from GOG so they can sell their crappy remake on their crappy Blizzard launcher?
Remember when Epic delisted Unreal and Unreal tournament? Remember when Beamdog originally pulled the classic versions of Baldur's Gate 2 in order to sell only the remake? Remember when Ubisoft removed The Crew from peoples libraries, killed the servers and delisted the game months before The Crew 2 was about to come? There are countles example of this shit being pulled by videogame publishers.

>>714091601
>boo hoo poor ubisoft having to put in literally an hour's worth of work to make "server_archive.exe" while making "server.exe" during development
It literally costs more time, effort and infrastructure to shit out a live service game than one that just works whenever.

>>714091579
you're retarded. there are some things that unless regulated all companies end up doing because they can.
for example user replaceable batteries. there's no way for user to vote with their wallets because virtually all phone makers started gluing in their batteries.
there are a few fringe alternatives that are retarded in other ways.

>>714087106 (OP)
Buying a product and expecting good service is neither controversial nor it is in any way entitled. Watching 10 hours of youtube videos, reading hundreds of pages of documentation and becoming an expert on the subject should never be a requirement for purchase. If a company cant provide basic customer service it shouldn’t be allowed to have customers, simple as

FUCK THOR
STOP KILLING GAMES

>>714091852
wrong. do you know they spend more time on the cash shop

>More signatures today than on the weekend
>Its not even close to the end of the day
Damn that Cooler talk meta is underrated

bait used to be believable

>>714088442
What an idiot. Do you not realize what this initiative is about?

>>714091940
>do you know they spend more time on the cash shop
Considering it's the only thing that fucking works when some of these games launch, YES. YES I DO.

Who should I turn the fascist guy into in the 2nd panel? Or should I cut out the panel?

>>714087106 (OP)
I feel you, but it's easier than getting IP abolished which I prefer.

>>714087106 (OP)
IP law is a poorly thought out set of regulations mostly focused on being makework for law firms. Lawyers in positions of power will literally act against their stated goals and interests to push IP law, just because it benefits other legal firms to have a consistent source of work from large corporations engaging in frivolous and alegal lawsuits.
The presence of IP law means that actually providing unofficial post-mortem support is a grey area at best and can get groups slapped with a cease and desist.
There's needs to be a counterbalance for copyright and this is one of those counterbalances.
>>714089517
>>714090118
>>714091209

>>714087106 (OP)
>Surely the corporations have my best interest at heart

can u please not vote im smal indie dev please understand thank you

>>714092067
Fascist guy is on Ubisoft's side.

>>714087106 (OP)
it worked on battlefront 2 back then

>>714087106 (OP)
the funniest thing is this consumer cattle feeding on corporate live service slop calling corpo bootlickers anyone who objects to inviting a supranational government entity to regulate video games. and for what cause? - to secure themselves the privilege to enjoy their corporate shit meals for perpetuity. these people talking about bootlickers!

>>714092067
SKG 'toss should basically be pulling against EVERYONE considering how many stupid fucking human beings there are on this planet and ITT
the only people publicly in its corner is a hobo and a jeet

>lol just vote with your wallet bro
yeah, see where that took us so far lmao

>>714092176
>everyone is a big dummy and doing it wrong
>me and my band of video game addicted welfare recipients know better

>>714092067
I'm not sure who the surprise ally would be in this case.
Nobody has really stepped up to side with SKG.

>>714092184
>The system will regulate itself
>There is no way they are doing this. You're a conspiracy theorist

please dont vote i dont wanna release server binaries
im 100% non-binary

>>714092294
I paid for the slop, I get to keep the slop, dilate ferret fucker.

>>714092352
People DID vote with their wallets. They voted to stay firmly shackled.

>>714092352
When will people realize this barely works? You think profit projections don't account for it? You think when Nintendo priced Mario kart at 80 bucks they didn't account for less people buying it?

I wouldn't mind a policy that forces devs to keep the older versions of the games around and not continue to push out 3+ updates per month.

What would happen if we got Egon Mustard involved in this?

>>714091874
> there's no way for user to vote with their wallets because virtually all phone makers started gluing in their batteries.
The majority don’t want replaceable batteries because they prefer aesthetically pleasing slimmer waterproof phones, you dumb nerd.

>>714092454
>it's real in my mind

>>714092294
Yes, I would like the government to actually serve my interests.

>>714092624
-1M votes

>>714092624
He's a corpo/lolbert, he'd be against SKG.

>>714092657
goverment provided gf when

>>714092624
Since nobody gives a fuck about him, I doubt it would do anything.
He would be on the side of the publishers anyway.

>>714092624
Literally everyone would sour towards the initiative, and the EU might outright reject it because of his influence.

He would never support it though, his ultimate goal in life is to be a technofascist and this SKG will BTFO that possibility.

>>714092748
Any day now

>>714092396
maybe kiwifarms?

>>714092454
yes, you are a corporate and government boot licker. thanks for confirming.

don't make references to your faggot ecelebs. i don't know them.

>>714091981
do you?

>>714092642
1. you have no proof that was the reason. the phone makers had obvious financial incentives to make that change.
2. you're assuming slim and waterproof phones can't be achieved otherwise which is just wrong.

>>714092801
after SKG passes can we make a new petition "Buying Gov Gf"

>>714089517
>live service games are classified as "innovations" on par with the invention of planes in the corporate shill's fucked up little head
wowza

tl;dr
>gibs me dat
>fo free

>>714092657
No. You want the govt to clean up your barf because you refuse to clean your own mess. Literally just don’t consoom.

>>714092294
this site if overrun with normalfags, just look at this thread. it's sad, honestly

>>714092667
>>714092790
>people will unironically vote against their best interests because of superficial statements such as "I do not like this guy who also supports this"
Here I thought "cooperation between unlikely allies" was half the point of civilization when our ancestors slapped that shit together 10,000-12,000 years ago. Guess I've lost the beat, better meld into being a xtroon that complains about the owner of the platform so I can best fit the purpose of civilization

>>714092824
>reddit spacing
You need to go back jeet.

>>714092921
>>fo free
how is it for free when you paid for the game?

UbiSHART defense force is here.

>>714092930
If I choose to buy a game I would like to be able to play the game without worrying about it being delisted/taken offline.

>>714092921
yeah, that's what companies are doing when shutting off the product that you paid for.

Riddle me this /v/

Game dies
Company gives server binaries (once).
You can't share the client binaries, that would be piracy

>>714090856
>why was software before 9/11 less complicated than what we have now? it makes no sense to me (someone that knows nothing about creating games)

are (((they))) still spamming cp in these threads?

>>714091027
>having actual basic human rights is anathema because...le gubmint does something
you see they're just very principled small government libertarians. sure it would be NICE to have a right to own the things you buy, but minimizing government intervention is the highest priority. the government enforcing international copyright law when corporations C&D private servers out of existence is a-ok though for some reason.

>>714093017
if you wait till games die, you can just pirate everything after EOS arrives

>>714093064
9/11 took place in 2005?

>>714092997
To be fair elon is personally trying to undermine the EU's sovereignty by corrupting their democracy. He's been throwing money at corrupt fascist parties like AFD in an attempt to turn european politics into the same hellhole we have in the US.

>>714087106 (OP)
>asking goverment to step in to help regulate a power out of your control
Uhh yeah? Just because I don't like thr government stepping in on things that are not a problem and my own buisness doesn't mean i don't want them to do the job they advertise they do.

>>714093064
You think modern game devs don't have ways to run servers locally?

>>714092365
this but without irony

>>714093075
the gay porn spammer ate a ban, and we have 3+ threads up right now

mods are with us, they know we can't be stopped

>>714092852
Of course I do. This isn't just about what my gaming habits are. It's supporting something that is right. Are you being retarded on purpose?

>>714092624
he'd be against the campaign

>>714093195
>everyone I don't like is a nazi
>how dare somebody disagree with my specific ideology? they are evil fascists

you're a loser, and you will continue to lose
thanks for confirming skiggers are just more dyed in the wool commie retards pushing more socialist bullshit

>>714092365
>Work for a living
>Use some of the money earned to buy a product
>Product is remotely shut down

>>714091631
>Didn't knew there was an EU mandate that would explicitly fine anyone that would breach their agreement like with GDPR, Privacy Laws or any other consumer protection law in general.
There actually is and that is why a lot of sites lately started adding the reject all button since the EU started getting to them.
>>714091586
Based gamer making the government work for him!
>>714090428
Make it happen. I'll laugh my ass off. Ay company that tries to do this shit will die since nobody is going to pay 180 dollardildos for a videogame.
>Baldur's Gate 3 was 60 euros when i bought it
>Expedition 33 was 45 euros when i bought it
Nobody will ever buy a 180$ game, people will simply go buy older games or other games that are priced better.

>>714093195
What? AFD isn't fascist, it's anti-merkel.
>>714093337
>skiggers
Took you all day to come up with that little gem, eh retard?

You know, watching a bunch of contrarians and bootlickers actively fighting against their own interests doesn't surprise me in the slightest anymore. Covid truly was a mask-off moment.

>>714093254
I told you, I am playing Palworld today. I can spam your shitty threads to death any time I want for as long as I want. I simply choose not to because I'm mostly preoccupied.

>>714092396
Yeah do kiwi farms. They're doing it out of spite for the wowfaggot

How many votes today?

>>714093432
>There actually is and that is why a lot of sites lately started adding the reject all button since the EU started getting to them
I know that, I wrote that in response to a hypothetical where people would monetize sunset content despite one solution being that the EU could draft a law where it says you're not allowed to, hence hefty fines, EU doesn't fuck around when it comes to that.

>>714093127
Why would I have to wait until they die? Are you retarded?

>>714093618
Signatures today: +22.261

>>714093482
>Man of Mold clearly explains his positions, even goes so far as to pre-counter-argue whataboutisms and other superficial arguments in his videos
>retards on /v/ spew the exact same talking points he counter-argues ad infinitum nauseam
Humanity's global average IQ is just too damn low for a movement like this.

>>714093495
palworld is shit

>>714093643
So we went up 200k in a week or so? That's huge dude, that's massive. Wow dude.

>if you ask the government to do their jobs for once you're a bootlicker how dare you support big gov't
As opposed to what exactly? So I should just let corporations rape me? Maybe the states could intervene on these things but most won't or can't realistically.

>>714093512
Nigga heil Hitler

>>714093669
>just watch some eceleb streamer for 50 hours begging for government regulations before you have an opinion
ummm... no

>>714093643
>>714093694
That actually is pretty great

>>714093826
>I will put in zero seconds to listen to the man who is starting this continent-wide movement
ok, just prepare to be thoroughly shunned for your ignorance because stupidity is not a virtue it is a failing of your sapience

>>714093127
it's true that this will make it possible to pirate games, at some point
but EOS arrives at an arbitrary time
waiting to pirate works if you're waiting for a crack, I don't think it's practical to wait for EOS, imagine waiting for WoW to shut down

>>714093826
So you won't read OR watch someone explaining what you don't want to read.
Do you by any chance own a Disability Card? You seem to be lacking in mental faculties.

>>714093703
Yes, don't you know? You should take off your pants and put your ass up so the corporation fucks you even harder. Do not try to stop getting corporate cocks rammed up your ass, that would make you a cuck!

I really hope this goes through. Fuck greedy corpos they need to get their kneecaps exploded

>>714087106 (OP)
>kills live service slop
based
>kills mmos
based
>kills gachaslop
based
why shouldn't i support this for doing those 3 things?

>>714093482
>YOU DONT KNOW YOUR OWN INTERESTS. I KNOW YOUR INTERESTS. NOW JUST DO WHAT I SAY OR FUCKING ELSE YOU FUCKING NAZI.

Deranged commie nonsense. No, you do not know better. You THINK you know better. You are CONVINCED you know better. You do not actually know better, because you lack the maturity, experience, intellect to understand the situation fully, or properly empathize with an aggrieved party whose motivations you don't quite understand.

You have to understand, you and other people like you track record of making decisions for other people is really bad, and then it gets you killed when they get sick of you fucking with them.

>Asking the eurofederasts to regulate anything, ever
lol, lmao, fuck your petition
only petition I will sign is for my country to leave the EU

>>714094036
Schizo sweety moment

Im pretty sure Thors natural voice is more like this.
https://files.catbox.moe/su3c7d.mkv
obviously when you pitch something down and pitch it back up without adequately undoing all the other processing effects it wont sound 100% accurate but this voice sounds more like his E3/indie games expo interview. Obviously he adds bass and may or may not also be throwing his voice a bit, but Im still convinced all said and done he is 1 semitone higher than his streamer voice

>>714093978
>Disability Card
lol is this some EU commie bullshit?

I don't understand why lolberts are all of the sudden against private property.

>>714094036
Please keep making posts like this, it makes you look really bad

>>714094162
He just eats the mic to sound like that. It's not hard to do.

>NOOOOOO DON'T TRY TO IMPROVE YOUR SITUATION
>YOU SHOULD SIT HERE AND COMPLAIN LIKE WE DO
>THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO
>TALK ABOUT LE JEWS
>NO, DON'T ACTUALLY TRY TO PUSH BACK AGAINST THEM
>JUST KEEP TALKING ABOUT THEM ON YOUR ONLINE CIRCLEJERK SCHIZO BOARD
>NOOO STOP TAKING ACTION NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>714093703
It's almost like government is supposed to be a system of checks and balances so that nobody, not even the government, has so much power that it goes uncontested. Kind of a wild concept to digest in this crazy space year of 2025.

>>714087535
nigga, literally just stop playing

>>714093976
>imagine waiting for WoW to shut down
Even if it was retroactive (and it isn't), WoW is clearly not a target of the initiative. The part where you lose access to the game if you stop paying for the subscription is pretty clear.

>>714087106 (OP)
Because corporations left to their own devices are so much better, am I right?
Moron.

>>714094162
for reference here is his voice at that convention. Tally some of the voice up to the tinny mic and loud auditorium but hes clearly faking the funk on his stream voice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjUun6owSCE

funny thing is if this was actually a commie initiative it would be wrapped up and signed and on the way to a desk several months ago

commies, for all their faults, know how to organize politically and they also know how to fundraise for even the most retarded and heinous bullshit

skiggers should have went to the commies and asked for help with this mess early on, but instead they are trying to build a grassroots movement from scratch with zero money, knowledge, backing, or experience

it's definitely its own thing, which is why its been dragging along like a dog that got run over

>>714094320
Not an argument idiot

>>714087809
>tell me of 1 good always-online game and maybe I'll sign it.
Starcraft 2.

>>714093976
WoW is a subscription-based service and thus is already compliant with and to those kinds of laws. Out of ALL OF THE LIVE SERVICES TO EVER EXIST, you chose the most prominent one that SKG WILL NOT TOUCH.

>>714094436
commies won't waste their time with shits like video games to begin with.

>i am literally addicted to live service slop
just don't fucking buy the games

>>714094474
Would Guild Wars 1 count?
Though that beast is still going.

>>714094315
Fucking government telling me that I now own the stuff i buy. I had nothing and was happy.

>>714094219
Add a MAGA hat on the lolbert

>>714093263
right? you fucking retard? what is right about this? Less games are going to be made (which me or any other self concious human being wouldn't be buying anyway) and normalfags won't be able to spend money on them. Wow, gentlemen, we got a hero!

>>714094530
I already don't, what's your point?

>>714089517
No one mentioning the fact that this retard messed up by his 3rd example and that plane construction is insanely regulated so people don’t fucking die every time they get on one

Do people that type things like "lolbert" not realize that everyone reading the post immediately categorizes them as an idiot?

>>714094579
Devilish

>>714094530
>implying implications
>implying it's okay for games to literally vanish from existence
>in 2011+14
Ohoho you DENSE motherfucker

>>714094508
>pro-SKG = zingaro
Now everything makes sense.

>>714094462
sure it is
stop playing
stop buying
stop supporting evil garbage
>bawww but other people still buy it!
so what? you can stop....any time....

>>714092365
Oh shit, you know better? Elaborate then, PiRat.

>>714094514
>WoW is a subscription-based service
from what I remember, you had to pay for the game and you had to pay for the subscription too
I'm not up to date with how WoW is monetized, so if it's a service now I concede that it's a bad example.
I stopped caring about it more than a decade ago.

>>714094391
And here is further reference
https://youtube.com/shorts/TFRB6yx8ASc?si=kijOJsmu0Du5Tx9i

>>714094798
I don't buy these games. Why wouldn't I support the movement? Are you retarded?

>>714094219
Libertarians are just useful idiots to which ever side they subscribe to, anarchist are to commies what lolberts are to fascists.

>>714094539
nobody ever said you don't own the game license you bought tho
you mistakenly believed that you purchased the actual software, but that was a misunderstanding on your part that you still feel very strongly about, but should try to get over

>>714094764
thanks for your meme input, normalfag

>>714094790
>>>implying it's okay for games to literally vanish from existence
Why it is not okay? Seriously asking. It's just entertainment piece designed to waste people time and money.

>>714094910
When does the license end?

>>714094890
>Are you retarded?
must suck never having an actual conversation due to being totally unable to communicate without insults and bitching

cannot imagine how totally isolated and lonely you must be irl

>>714094832
WoW's had a free trial since what, Cata? Maybe even before that. You literally don't have to pay for WoW to install it anymore, and I'm pretty sure retail copies back in the day came with a sub and not just the game

Yes. I want SKG to win because I want to fuck over corporations in the long run

Sadly I'm a burger so I can't even sign.

>>714087106 (OP)
If you don't regulate companies you end with pic related

>>714094942
I reply to clown posts with memes

>>714094910
>but should try to get over
nope, I'll get the EU involved instead, sorry ubicuck

>>714094943
For the same reason it wouldn't be okay

>>714094219
>you will own nothing and be happy? No way, I won't allow the WEF to do that to me!
>that's why I'm giving unelected EU bureaucrats more power!

>>714094219
>I don't understand why libertarians are against somebody trying to get even more government regulation and oversight

Really though? Lolberts don't want any involvement of the government. This is direct involvement. It is the opposite of what they desire.

>>714095016
>Not ending with it imploding
One job

>government fucks you over
>AAA!! HELP ME, CORPOS!!
>give the corpos more power
>corpos fuck you over
>AAA!! HELP ME, GOVERNMENT!!
>give the government more power
I love democracy.

>>714089517
I like how you didn't bother to argue about cooks since even the most "muh anti government" sperg has to conceded that food regulations have to exist so people don't fucking die.

>>714095016
Finding out that Mr. Titanic himself James Cameron told him he'd die if he went down in that sub and he still did it anyways was a trip.

>>714094997
lol you are pretending to care that The Crew shut down, you can't say that someone else needs to get a life

>>714095050
Nooooo I don’t care if I’m being fucked I just want the right person to fuck me

>>714094997
Says the guy who greentext strawmans first then proceeds to bitch and insult you after stating that communicating with insults is subpar. Embarrassing post.

>>714095046
>EU is going to overthrow global software licensing system so that a few shutins can play dead games with privately hosted servers
No.

Government and corporations are both the enemy. It is morally correct to turn one enemy against another in order to benefit yourself. If the games industry will not engage in business in good faith then I will have the government force them to.

>>714094943
Because games contain art and art is inherently valuable. Because people paid for these pieces of art and/or art containers and are entitled to keep playing them. Because when you bought a shit game back before GaaS you were still able to play it whenever the fuck you wanted without the company telling you no. Maybe because it's unlawful for corporations to hold THIS much power over us with literally zero legal precedence or regulation beyond some kangaroo court ruling in 1999 in the North-Eastern United States. Or how about just plain ol' "FUCK THE MAN!" How's that? THAT enough reasons for your common sense instincts to kick in?

>>714095050
>more power
Are you trying to say the government doesnt currently have the ability to implement consumer protections?

>>714090225
Then why don't you... let the innovators innovate?
Let them come up with a solution that adheres to the principle of art preservation.

>>714095131
>even the most "muh anti government" sperg has to conceded that food regulations have to exist
lol no there are tons that will argue against the FDA

Leave it to lolberts to grasp for any straws to help them find a principled reason to work against their best interests

>>714094630
>if we just ban all air travel nobody will die in airplane crashes
whoa, this government cumslave has figured it out

>>714095170
You're supposed to put it first, like this:
>[Embarrassing post] Says the guy who greentext strawmans first then proceeds to bitch and insult you after stating that communicating with insults is subpar.
no need to thank me, internet culture can be a little confusing sometimes

>>714095304
No you retard. You throw that at the end to leave more of an impression. God you're useless.

>>714095197
This is a good post.

>>714095197
Only decent post on the subject I have ever seen. Upvoted

>>714095050
Yeah but in this case Ubisoft destroyed the lolbert's private property, thereby violating the NAP.

This is also the opposite of what they desire.

>>714094630
Let Boeing innovate

>>714094891
>anarchist are to commies
Not in the Spanish civil war. Anarchists are just useless in general.

>>714095260
And pic related is their king

>vote with your wallet
Every single person over 15 iq that ever heard of hedge funds knows that voting with your wallet no longer works

>>714095197
Correct.

>>714095261
>let me tell you about your own best interests you are currently working against
>I happen to be an expert

>>714095078
Yeah but in this case Ubisoft destroyed the lolbert's private property, thereby violating the NAP. This is also the opposite of what they desire.

>>714095241
yes obviously if there is a campaign to beg them to regulate video games more

>>714095260
I'll argue against the FDA but only in the same way they completely fucking fail at doing what theyre supposed to, same as the department of education, we should have this kind of shit solved, yet somehow Kratom is available over the counter and regular fucking japanese rice isnt

>>714095131
or maybe he just didn't want to invalidate his entire post with a food analogy

>>714095016
>>714095145
Sometimes, it's GOOD to listen to people who actually know what the fuck they're talking about.
>>714095197
Based.

>>714095438
Is this the legendary coherency of the lolbert?

>>714090159
If a provider or an industry is told not to scam its customers and it can't sustain itself because of that, then it don't deserve to exist.

>>714092930
>don't buy game because online-only DRM
>game dies
>can never play the game now
I suppose I did do this, but it didn't really address the problem, did it?

>>714095427
It's almost as if for that to work you need *regulations* against companies agreeing to not compete with each other and just fuck the customers. Hmmmmm

>>714095149
Driving around in The Crew was fun

>>714095507
Responding to my post with such a tone is against your own best interests my dude. You're just working against yourself here.

>>714087535
the only reason those cartels is because of government regulation

>>714095447
This implies that the consumer doesnt currently maintain the right to own what they purchase.

>>714095398
>His first example of a corporation with no government involvement is fucking Boeing
Jesus Christ this is sad

A question to people here who oppose this
are you american?

>>714095260
>>714095451
This. I argue against the corruption and incompetence of the agency's ability and willingness to do what they say they're supposed to do. In a high-trust society, the FDA would actually REGULATE FOOD so that we're not just being fed high-fructose corn poison.

>>714087321
Capitalism worked for quite a bit, we're talking thru the results of it, and you're probably only alive due it.
But it was mostly until the 90's when retarded mega monopolies were actually fought against.
Regulation CAN be good if done correctly.

>>714095624
You missed a word there but I think you mean lack of regulation

>>714095624
*exist

>>714095660
lol

>>714095660
t. In favor and American
We need you guys on this one

>>714095197
based

>>714095451
Sure but there are people that say the FDA failing their duty is proof that there shouldn't be a government agency that does that job at all.

>>714094579
>Nooooooo you can't force me to make games playable offline I should have the rights to terminate the game at any time with no reason and take your money without refunds!
Lmao what a retard

>>714089517
>hey you can’t put lead into gasoline
>NO YOU’RE OPPRESSING MY VISION

>>714095438
How does letting corporations take the games I purchased with the money I earned from my labor serve my best interests?

>>714095660
But I'm american and support skg

>>714095654
>humorless commie turd didn't get the joke
Many such cases

>>714095427
you couldn't even explain to me what a hedge fund is

>>714095575
Truly a master of debate and oration….woah….

>>714095197
Fuck, that's a good one

>>714087106 (OP)
Don't care, still signed
https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

>>714095778
Yeah, but lolberts are also retarded and have no means to combat "What do you mean Im not allowed to throw car batteries in the ocean? You dont own the ocean, you cant tell me what to do"

Ross is going to make a tweet soon announcing the Twitter campaign. Please retweet it when he does.

>>714095692
im sure if the government makes cartels any more illegal they will disappear any time now

>>714088025
American cope

>>714095839
The only joke the r/thedonald election tourist knows how to do is concern trolling or typing the opposite of their opinion in all caps.

>>714095197
I kneel

>>714095806
you didn't buy a game, you bought a license to access software according to an agreement you read and signed

>>714095660
Pretty sure it's mostly Americans and eastern Europeans supporting this.

>>714095660
>the only people that are against this obnoxious shill campaign started by an American must be American!

Why don't you even try to have a coherent honest opinion about anything?

>>714095203
>games are art
no. they're really not. they're toys.
your favorite game might mean a lot to you, but it won't mean shit to your descendants 500 years from now. there won't be a section in museums dedicated to old PC games as large as those displaying century-old paintings today, and children will not have to write essays on MGS.
we'll make new games every decade which will promptly be forgotten about by each successive generation.

>I would like to own the things I spend money on. Can I have the code for the servers so I can self host once the companies decide to shut down the servers
>YOU WILL OWN NOTHING AND BE HAPPY
At least one thing was accomplished. We now know who the industry plants are

>>714095451
The problem is when you put people in charge who want it to fail and create a self fulfilling prophecy of 'the government doesn't work, vote for me so I can prove it'.

>>714095971
SKG won't reach a mil, and even if it did it won't amount to anything, but I implicitly respect this man's strength

>>714095986
Yeah, like anon said, thats selective or lack of regulation, a symptom of government corruption.

>>714096012
>commie retard now embarrassed that he didn't get the super obvious joke
>blames Orange Man
TDS on full display
Very sad

>>714096012
>lose argument
>call someone an election tourist
Reddit needs a new script

>>714095986
So the issue is with enforcement. Big deal, fix that. What are you arguing against anyway.

>>714096073
You assert one thing, he asserts the other
now what

>the government can’t actually help its citizens because… IT JUST CANT OK
Then what the fuck is my tax money going to then

>>714096121
>TDS
I’m willing to bet you’re on the registry, incel lmao

>>714096073
As part of my will, I will force all of my legal descendants to play and beat a full game of Alpha Centauri on the middle difficulty without outside assistance or any external references, while being observed by my lawyer, before they can access their trust funds.

>>714089473
>had ps3
>lots of fun with online
>couldn't wait for PS4
>Sony goes the Microsoft way with paid online
>welp, I don't like their services no more.
>nintendo
>had lots of fun with Wii
>heard they actually plan to release a console with non-retarded marketing this time
>Switch
>paid online as well

Wow man I sure I'm glad I'm ahead of normies even though they're fucking ruining my hobbies since 2006, by mindlessly buying everything like sheep.

>>714096064
>fails to answer the simplest yes/no question
so american, then

>>714095424
Cunny...

>>714096102
I agree, but until a private body is offering any real solutions its all weve got, and said private body also needs to be held accountable to intentionally poisoning our water, so some form of regulatory body needs to exist. "But they suck" isnt really a good reason to open the can of worms that is "well, the internet company owns the land beneath your house and are now deciding to rent that out to child traffickers, as is their right"

>>714095512
The fact retarded faggots like (Him) genuinely argue the fact that corporations would suddenly go under if they had to put in literally any effort to keep them playable would be laughably absurd if it wasn't still the common opinion.

>>714096232
>incel
there it is
project any harder and you might achieve orbit

>>714087106 (OP)
Why haven't any blizzard or ex-blizzard employees come out and describe mald as a fraud yet?

Surely pulling things into assembly and removing the polymorphic isnt true

>>714095197
What the hell, is it allowed to be this based in SKG threads?

At least one thing this campaign did is that it exposed the absolute amount of corpo shills on this website. I knew it was bad, but damn

>>714096073
Such wild cope just to say you don't care if you have consumer rights.

>>714096367
>openly talk shit about the bosses son
>the bosses son being a furry lgbtqally
It doesnt work that way

>>714095424
>commie retard sees a family playing in a creek and immediately loses his absolute mind
is it because its something you will never have? or because its something you experienced, then threw away?

>>714096332
>person with no job that lives off of government welfare wants people to work for free to give him what he wants
at least you are consistent

>>714096073
Entertainment is an artistry, toys included.

>>714096360
What? I hit a nerve?

>>714096410
It's funny that you think it did.

>>714096459
kek

>>714096120
>>714096185
worked so well with alcohol right, you guys deserve getting fucked by the government for being this stupid
cigarettes have their prices inflated artificially here and all it lead to is a black market as well
the kind of retardation SKP wants will lead to similar unforeseen consequences, hope you dont complain about more expensive games, because it will be your doing

>>714096418
his dad doesnt work there anymore and a lot of blizzard devs that were there when he was don't either

>>714096443
Brain worms typed this post.

>>714096080
I'd say we also now know our governments are thoroughly willingly actively malicious against the common man, but I'm sure UK citizens already knew that.

>>714096330
That's why you need a balance with democratic socialism where both the government and corporate power are kept in check.
The obvious weakness there is the people, which is why you need a robust education system and why most countries that backslide into authoritarianism and oligarchy always make sure to gut education first, because an ignorant population is more likely to vote against their own self interests.

>>714090225
I'm ok with prices going up. They would go up anyway.

>>714096367
It's a simple principle in the world of business, anon: don't shit where you eat. You never know who you could wind up working for in the future, so it's unwise to talk bad about people in your field unless they've done something legitimately criminal.

>>714096332
I assume most anons are just ironic shitposters to keep the thread engaged for extended coverage.
A simple response, even if most posts like that is obvious bait, is how I contribute beyond voting.
Otherwise, yeah you are correct. It's usually easy to design a game that can be playable after a sunset period.

>>714096613
But being an uneducated retard is gigachad and based!

>communism is when you own the stuff you buy
This board is beyond saving…

>>714089517
These are terrible analogies and have 0 correlation to the current problem. Fuck off nihilistic fag

>>714096654
I'm never going to see this fraud get exposed. It's over.

>>714096471
using 'incel' in 2025 is like a tacit admission whoever you were bitching at got under your skin to the point where you threw in the towel and decided to act like a woman out of desperation
so when a commie retard whips it out, I know they are on the ropes and sending the bat signal for support by claiming to be a female in distress

>>714094219
Gov = bad
Other stuff = not as bad
It's that simple

>>714096547
I remember that fallacy. Slippery slope or something. Not even sure it applies between different things but eh

>>714096547
>worked so well with alcohol right???
Seeing as I can buy alcohol right now Im going to say yes and the systems working as intended
>MUH CIGARETTES THOUGH
okay grandpa, time for your midday nap

>>714095050
>unelected
At what point they become unelected? European Parliament is elected directly, European council consists of presidents/prime ministers of member countries which are elected as well and commission is only able to enforce something that was decided either by council or by parliament.
>more power
Ho exactly does this petition grant them more power? They already have the ability and power to implement the requested change, the petition simply asks them to do so
And the most important question, how getting MORE rights bad?

>>714096740
Don't worry too much. He's already doing a perfectly good job of sabotaging himself. Patience, and the spiral will be inevitable.

>>714096781
I didn’t read. Sorry you had to see your trigger word.

>>714096723
>work for free to give stuff to retarded peasants or we will kill you
sounds like communism 2 me

>>714096789
But corporations are as bad.

>>714096697
>I assume most anons are just ironic shitposters
I can tell that from the first reply I got, doing his best impression of a brainless slug
>is how I contribute beyond voting.
I'm not an EU citizen so I have no rights when it comes to games ownership, hopefully that'll change within a couple months.

>>714095451
It’s almost like letting companies legally bribe politicians(lobbying) into gimping the departments meant to tard wrangle them was a bad idea

>>714096740
Wait by the river long enough and the bodies of your enemies will float past.

>>714095971
Shit how soon? i might prepare something for it.

>>714096929
nonsense goy. regulatory capture is good

>>714096867
>dont scam customers is communism

>>714096902
No
Nothing is as bad as the gov


Levels of badness
Gov>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't add enough >>>>>>>> just imagine this going off to infinity >>>>>>>>>>>>anything else

>>714096929
Lobbying is also a means of the people showing monetary interest. Its funny how everyone is exclusively against lobbying when its shit they dont like.

>>714094508
*casa vostra
*e vi ruberò

Just to keep it plural

>>714097053
Corporations ARE your government, mutt.

>>714095197
based

>>714097054
>corporations lobby harder than the people because corporations have more money and more connections to hand that money through
>"welp looks like the people have spoken! they want [corporate interest]!"
And you see no problem with this?

Most servers can't be provided because of licensing and using other third-party party services in the server
This will never actually do anything useful even if it's passed
At best game companies will stop launching games in the eu

>>714096867
>work for free
the money I paid says otherwise, wagie.

>>714089473
Actual delusion. Incase you're unaware, likely because you fall into this demographic. Most people are average intelligence and such people are too dumb to know when they're getting a bad deal. Normalfags aren't going to suddenly realize this. This is why there needs to be regulation on game sunsetting because otherwise it will only get worse and worse until all games are live service slop

>>714090635
>word word word
I aint reading that

>>714095804
the government put lead into gasoline

post yfw 700k

>>714097119
They aren't or it would be better run

>>714097221
yeah, licensing didn't exist 20 years ago when providing server binaries was standard practice.

>>714097221
Just like Apple stopped selling the iPhone in the EU! Or websites stopped being available in the EU!

>>714097202
I see a problem with politicians acting immorally but that doesnt stop them...

>>714097247
>proudly admitting you are SO ILLITERATE that you cannot parse an image of bullet points
I bet your wrangler says need to wear a helmet to browse 4chan you gargantuan retard

This stupid communist petition will NEVER reach 1 million.
Even if it does, the commission WILL dismiss it as a joke.
Even if they don't, it's NEVER going to become a directive.
Even if it will, it's NOT going to be anything more than a slap on the wrist warning sign.
Even if it won't, it's NEVER going to be enforced.
Even if it will, the companies WILL just stop selling games in Europe.
Even if they won't, it WILL NOT change anything.

and if it will... it was all an elaborate masterplan from a furry

>>714097221
And the licensing will be adjusted to meet the new laws if it passes.
This initiative doesn't work retroactively.

>>714097319
Pretty sure "licenses" existed all the way in the SNES days, it was just unenforced because how would you and itd be a huge fucking scandal if Nintendo tried repossessing cartridges from paying customers

>>714087106 (OP)
remember kids, OP is always a faggot

>>714097221
Ah yes, licensing. The immutable and immovable obstacle.

>>714097318
They own your politicians. It’s the same thing you Yarvinite Thieltard

>>714097372
>surely this will get me more signatures
Behave yourself tardy. You are an activist now.

>>714097319
Yes
It's different now
All those servers provided had no third party code in them
If you actually were involved in open source at all you would know most older shit can't be opensourced because of this
And when things are opensourced they sre usually always missing the audio engine

>>714097053
>those guys that would poison me to make a number on a spreadsheet go up? not that bad
lolbert moment

>>714097474
(You)

>>714087321
America is a socialist oligarchy there is no capitalism here

>>714097038
>hey if you buy this license you can use this product for as long as we keep it running, we will do our best to keep it running for awhile but no promises
>ACCEPT / DECLINE

what scam?

>>714097427
>And the licensing will be adjusted to meet the new laws if it passes.
It won't
The whole point is that the code can't be shared ever
The license will just never get signed then the game devs will have to make the entire network stack themselves which is essentially impossible with the scale now

>>714097597
do americans really think this?

>>714097054
Normal people have means of showing interest in something it’s called VOTING. One guy can’t vote five million times for a candidate but he certainly can give five million dollars to them.

>>714097662
>it can't be done
Then learn to code better before you ask people for their money, you worthless corporate monkey

>>714097604
Where does it say that?

>>714097424
>see people talking about figtree's retardation a couple days ago
>someone said in a few years figtree would genuinely try and take credit for SKG succeeding

>took less than a couple days for someone to try and half-claim it in a shitpost

>>714097495
>those guys that would poison me to make a number on a spreadsheet go up?
You mean the gov?
The same gov that did you testing of all sorts of random chemicals on citizens and dropped atom bombs everywhere giving everyone cancer?

>>714094219
If you are a libertarian like me you probably don't trust the government to make appropriate laws and actually enforce them well when companies like activision could easily just bribe their way out of real consequences, or maybe they get 'fined' a cool 100k two as a multi million dollar company, drop in the bucket.

>>714097718
Why reinvent the wheel when someone is selling a wheel

>>714087106 (OP)
shut the fuck up pirateniggerware

>>714087106 (OP)
It already does, like most entertainment. Moron. You think the ratings boards were done out of goodwill? It's only digital rights that boomers don't get yet.

Why do you have to make everything political, let companies enjoy things.

>>714097747
no im talking about corporations

>>714097813
Forgot to add, I'm hardcore into this initiative because I don't trust game companies to control themselves and need govnermnet intervention.

>>714087106 (OP)
https://files.catbox.moe/73l0tz.mp4

>>714097726
On the back of the box of just about ever game with DRM.

STOP MAKING THREADS PIRATE NIGGER WARE YOU DUMBASS NEWNIGGER NORMALNIGGER SOCIAL ANXIETY NIGGER FUCKYOU

>>714097891
There's no box.

>>714096946
I'm in contact with him. He's preparing a tweet rn I believe but he might be the type to agonize over it o hours before hitting submit

>>714097707
>GO OUT AND VOTE
Sorry Im gay, poor, and addicted to crack but Im gonna cast my vote opposite to yours so it just cancels out

>>714097828
Cause your wheel sucks. Fix it.

>>714097882
LOL

>>714097878
Oh my bad I thought you were talking about the gov that lobotomised people and forcefully transitioned people not even 50 years ago

>>714096946
>>714097969
But just so you know the campaign is on the 2nd. Now is just the announcement of the campaign. so far only people here and on the discord/reddit know there is going to be one

pirateniggerware lost

>>714087106 (OP)
COPE REDDIT NIGGER COPE
COPE REDDIT NIGGER COPE
COPE REDDIT NIGGER COPE

>>714097993
The wheels are fine
Your gov just decided that I need to hand over my secret rubber sauce if I want to sell them in europe

>>714094219
Libertarians are just corporate bootlickers. They couldn’t give a shit about government surveillance or free speech but the moment someone talks about the slightest bit of regulation then SUDDENLY it’s a matter of liberty

what the fuck is a twitter campaign

>>714098123
fuck if I know, but atleast they are doing something

>>714097669
Yes it's all Jewish controlled interests and trillion dollar valuation companies

The moment you went reddit is when I'll stop your shit campaign.

>>714098108
They aren't fine. Fix them or forever put a huge sticker that says this wheel expires in a year.

>>714095451
If you worked in pharmaceuticals (which I have) then you’d appreciate what the FDA does in terms of drug safety at the very least. If a med isn’t FDA approved but is still on the market, then it’s almost guaranteed to be snake oil or pointless for consumption. Also, their recommended dosage strengths are usually scaled in a way that makes it very, very unlikely to kill or harm someone. They may not do 100% good work, but they do good work nonetheless.

>>714097604
The ability to sell LICENSE instead of LICENSED COPY in the first place is the scam.

>>714098123
>>714098190
July 2nd we will try to get #stopkillinggames trending.

>>714087321
communism is a failed experiment too. we need something better than both, let's call it "trusting each other genuinely and not fucking each other over"
working title, we'll have to call it "Civilization: Chapter 2" or something that'll get the zoomers onboard maybe

>>714090428
You know damn well that if game companies could make games $180 they would. SKG has nothing to do with that. Remember how digital games were supposed to be cheaper than physical due to lack of physical costs?

>>714089473
>If this petition goes through, less games will be made
All I needed to hear to sign this.

>>714098193
wtf do you think socialism is

>>714098205
Learn tenses jeet

>>714098256
so....you hit DECLINE right?

>>714089320
holy kek

>>714094824
Shit - now Carmack is actually a big enough aspie to go full tilt in genuinely supporting SKG and it would make WAVES.

Reminder: it's primarily thanks to Carmack that video game modding is even a thing in the current day and age.
He, and to a lesser degree Romero, are the guys that championed the architecture of the original DOOM to be moddable and to use the WAD format they way the engine did. Those peeps normally referred to as the creative talent, i.e. the artists and writers, were AGAINST it from the get-go because of 'muh IP.'

>51% of Luxembourger are immigrants
it's over

>>714098251
I never said the FDA is 100% bad, Im saying its remarkably bad in a way that if it did its job properly we wouldnt be ingesting food dye that causes murderous rage and drinking fruit "juice" that contains 0% fruit juice. Lets split hairs over whether or not your ice cream is ice cream or Frozen Dairy Treat because of its milk content being a few percentage points higher or lower, but oops somehow the frozen corndogs that make you vomit blood slipped through the cracks.

>>714095971
Is there any point to joining in on this if I would have to create a new account to do it?
I have literally never used any form of social media.

>>714098375
>it's okay to fuck you over as long as i SAID i will fuck you over in a 68 page font size 5 EULA that you only get to see AFTER you bought my product
fucking lol

>>714089517
Did you know that lightfastness is a big problem with many watercolor pigments? I would fully support goverment regulations for, if not outright mandating that paints be of a certain lightfastness, then at least requiring that manufactures disclose accurate information about the lightfastness of the paints they sell.

EU tried to force the clotshot. They aren't good guys.

>>714098521
Yes. Get fucked.

>>714098375
>What do you mean I can't sell drugs to kids? I clearly ask them if they want to first.

>>714094824
Carmack's talents are being wasted at Meta. Dude needs to build his own Stark Industries already.

>>714098335
America is not capitalist was my original point fag

>>714098580
Good thing EULA aren't legally binding in the EU, go fuck yourself mutt =)

>>714098521
pretending to be illiterate and claiming you never read the contract before signing it isn't an acceptable legal defense anywhere

>>714098580
You'll be the one getting fucked, for selling your soul to the corporate demons.

>>714098627
ok how is it socialist?

>>714098576
the world isn't black and white, Jason

>>714097109
Thank you anon.

>>714090642
>or is it just the modern 4chan "my personality is being a contrarian, even if it is to my own detriment"?
It's literally this, attention starved brown children plague this site so getting any (You)'s is their first priority. It's pathetic

>>714098648
Actually, "contracts" like the EULA mean nothing in the EU, so yeah, you're wrong there nigger

>>714098639
yeah they are, stop repeating that retarded myth/lie

>>714098576
So what you're saying is that the EU should've stopped the corporations from giving people the clotshot? Yeah I agree.

>>714098493
Yes. Tweeting and posting images boosts it even if you have 0 followers. #stopkillinggames
Post an image too like

>>714098648
A contract that only fucks over a customer has no reason to exist. You're arguing against the very idea of consumer rights protection.

>>714098668
Do research

>>714098375
Yes, just on a national level. The whole EU hits decline, so that a publisher can’t sell licenses instead of licensed copies and thus it is impossible to scam people this way and you dont need to read hundreds of pages of EULAs and TOS and gamble on your knowledge of exact laws governing this to know if you’re going to get a good service or not.

>>714098451
You’re gonna have to be a lot more specific with these examples. Maybe it’d because I grew up with a mom who is overly cautious when it comes to consumer goods, but I’ve never eaten anything that made me physically ill in this sort of way or met anyone who has eaten anything similar to that either.

>>714098648
the EULA is literal dogshit pisswater and no amount of willful ignorance is going to hide the transparent bullshittery from people who have a functioning brain
you are a useful idiot at best and a malicious retard at worst, and I respectfully request that you self-introspect and think about what you've done

>>714087106 (OP)
u mad, Hooknose?

>>714098738
Technically theyre as meaningless in the US as well, unfortunately getting it in front of a judge is so cost prohibitive that you can write it off as "corporations own the legal system"

why are amerimutts seething in every thread because companies can't harvest your kidneys with EULAs in the EU

>>714098839
I think he was very specific

>>714098830
So you're FORCING people to decline, what an authoritarian shithole, let people enjoy things

>>714098738
actually this is completely incorrect, EULA are completely legal in the EU as long as they follow EU law , which they do these days for the most part

you can catch out a bad EULA if they arent in compliance, but they are pretty on point these days

you should really(seriously) educate yourself on this very basic subject, instead of relying on wishful thinking

>>714098820
What kind of "research"?

>>714098858
>EULA
I love the EULA. The EU said governments can't just force users to do whatever without them agreeing to it, so they added a massive wall of text that no one reads that users have to press "accept" on and now it's a-okay.
Classic example of the EU having no value..

https://x.com/accursedfarms/status/1939745471200633121?t=mxz1uJaGFBQECBsRySqtSQ&s=19

JULY 2ND
RETWEET
GET READY

Contrarian culture
Epic laughs
NPC shills
Payed shills
Legit idiots

Pick your poison

>>714098692
just soaking their pasta is enough. nothing spoils dry pasta like water

>>714098970
powerful image

>>714098951
You keep sounding more and more and more like a Disney villain that wants to sell something shitty.

>>714098903
Americans live in a country where corpos bribing politicians is legal with the excuse of "money is free speech". They're beyond brainfucked by corpos

>>714099007
>if the EU has no value now, it never will no matter how much input I attempt to place into changing things for the better
This defeatist attitude is all I can read when I see your post.

>>714087106 (OP)
Many, if not all, of the scummy things that happen to gaming is because gaming operates in an unregulated grey area.
We need to regulate some shit instead to get the corporate dick in the ass all the time.
If it weren't for some rules, you couldn't even ask for a refund, fucking bootlickers.

Can someone explain to me now why these bootlickers defend the corporations so much?

>>714098805
that's not what it does, it explains what acceptable use for the product you have a license to use is and what is considered unacceptable and can result in service termination or legal action such as hacking the software and selling the hack/RMT/malicious software manipulation, etc

they also explain what type of data the software gathers and what it is used for, stuff like that

you've clearly never read one of these things in your life (you should)

>>714093064
Dedicated servers have literally not changed in concept since HL1 you disingenuous faggot. Nothing was stopping Activision from letting people host dedicated servers for Black Ops 6 compared to what people were doing almost 17 years ago for CoD4 or Counterstrike. Nigger

>>714098576
The EU actually held out among the longest in approving Covid vacines for use on humans, and demanded and waited for revised laboratory testing on the later adaptations that the US, Israel, et al. just happily shot into everyone's veins sometimes even straight up lying about it being a new and untested adaptation.

>>714098951
Yes, that is how democracy works. The majority is FORCING the minority to accept the rules of society. Moreover 0% chance to get scammed and requirement to have good service is preferable to non-0% chance to be scammed and shit service

>>714098576
I honestly wish they had. All of that “TWO MORE WEEKS” crap led to absolutely nothing happening and the only thing anti-vaxx idiots did was make the whole affair last even longer and spread confusion and misinformation, and STILL act like they were the ones on the right kek. Worst 2 years of my fucking life. It really made me appreciate what kind of base idiots “human beings” can be.

>>714099124
Why aren't you putting bananas in your ears?
Just because doing so hasn't allowed you to fly yet doesn't mean it won't eventually.

>>714089320
Funny. Post this on YouTube.

>>714098875
I was really looking forward to seeing what would happen with that case where Disney tried to use its Disney+ EULA to get out of a wrongful death lawsuit, but the bad publicity made them drop it. Could have been something truly dystopian.

>>714098627
But America is capitalist, it just proves it's a failure. .

>>714087106 (OP)
who let jason out of the cage?

>>714099147
Or it simply says termination for any reason, or termination in an unspecified timeframe. Fix your shit or you're not allowed to sell it. You're acting like a gypsy scammer complaining about regulations.

>>714099028
no time mentioned

>>714098672
Sure it is. Once people prove they are evil, I don't have anything to do with them anymore.

>>714098909
“Frozen corn dogs that make you vomit blood” and “food dye that puts you in a murderous rage” aren’t specific if they aren’t being cited. Otherwise, what he described might as well be sci-fi.

>>714099189
Your nonsense analogy is great and all, but we're talking about the potential for actual change. Your naysaying helps no one, least of all yourself.

>>714098839
Food recalls exist, bad foods get approved by the fda today, why have we tolerated food dyes that trigger psychosis for YEAAAAAARS.
>But we didnt have the studies yet
We didnt have studies that take 6 weeks for years, and that was somehow enough for the FDA to look unquestioningly at childrens breakfast cereals being borderline toxic and say "yeah thats good"
>be specific
Here are some active recalls only today
https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety-alerts
Foods that make you ill
Foods that contain stuff they shouldnt
Foods that contain stuff that they shouldnt that make you ill.
Im happy your mom was selective but the busy poor and stupid should not be enabled into poisoning their children or themselves

>>714099237


NEW THREAD
TWEEET IS LIVE

>>714099267
nah it's fine, you're just retarded and your gay little movement will fail

>>714098791
Shrinkwrap EULAs aren't. They're classified as unfair terms of contract and cannot bind consumers.
Moreover, the EU Court of Justice has ruled in several cases regarding terms of service that the information requirements as codified in the Consumer Rights Directive, which require traders and manufacturers to inform consumers properly of the nature of the product they are buying, are to be taken as requiring them to ACTIVELY inform consumers. I.e. simply putting a link to a webpage somewhere and hoping consumers are going to find and read that, DOES NOT QUALIFY. EULAs provided that way fall foul of the same provisions as shrinkwrap EULAs, and are also deemed unfair and non-binding.

>>714099343
>we're talking about the potential for actual change
Alright, let's talk about meteorites, then.
There's a non-zero chance one will hit the planet and destroy everything you know.
Why aren't you building a bunker right now? The meteorite could strike at any moment!

>>714099304
It's ok anon, the FDA would never do such things. We have our best and most moral minds there.

>>714099237

New thread

>>714099416
Peak response.

>>714096073
Game are probably the highest artistic form, that includes design, music, programming, illustrations, writing, cinematography, and so on...

>>714098791
Tell that to the Consumer Rights Directive fucker, because EULA implicitly violates 2 key points necessary for it to be legally binding.

1. Written in a language your average retard understands, it isn't, EULA usually are written in lawyer speak in order to cover every edge case possible
2. Contract can't have any unfair terms, an EULA stating that you're given a license and it can be revoked at any time, this just being one of many unfair terms but the most obvious one for your smoothbrain to grasp

>>714099448
I'm not going to tell you twice, so continue moping about literally nothing if that's your perogative. I'll stay hopeful of the future.

>>714099347
>the american mind breaks when elected representatives in representative democracy are forced to represent the desires of people who elected them

>>714099610
Hey man, I'm not the one waiting decades for an authoritative force which has no reason to do good, to do some good.

>>714092067
finland, sweden, netherlands, denmark etc.

>>714097559
lmao

>>714095197
I kneel.

>>714099670
>waiting decades
SKG's campaign's entire point is to determine by the end of this year whether the governments, or even humanity at large, care about the preservation and customer rights regarding video games. If you can't be bothered to join the initiative then I don't know, kill yourself or something. I genuinely don't know what else you'd be here for if the ABSOLUTE STATE of vidya doesn't concern you enough to want to act.

>>714098976
>which they do these days for the most part
Back when the French courts handled the whole reselling games thing vs Steam, the courts found something like 8 other terms in Steam's ToS that were unenforceable or outright illegal. That amounts to approximately 25% of the entire agreement.

>>714099670
>waiting for decades
I compaer EU consumer laws to those of US and Australia, and I can see that EU has done plenty of good in my interests.

>>714099826
We're talking about the EU, anon. Not the initiative.
The entire reason this initiative exists is to force the EU to do something, BECAUSE they won't do shit.
You massive fucking retard.
>>714099881
Okay, I'll admit that I went a little overboard. Not everything the EU does is bad.

>"you'll own nothing and be happy, am i rite guys??"
>okay, let's try to do something about it
>"NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST TRY TO IMPROVE THINGS"

>>714099923
>The entire reason this initiative exists is to force the EU to do something, BECAUSE they won't do shit.
Yes, but this initiative kind of became an end-all-be-all which is why so much weight is being put on the EU now. Ross literally tried a global plan to reach out for SKG and France/EU was basically all he got in response. As much as you hate the EU, this is literally the only government TO respond. Well, so did the UK, but given their literal copy-pasted responses I'm pretty sure it was exclusively to fuck with Ross's time.

>>714098576
>if a school nurse is found to conduct malpractice then the teachers, the janitor, the librarian and even the school photographer can't be trusted either

>>714099448
What makes you think I'd want to live in the post-ashcloud, darkened-skies, global-cooling, second ice-age hellscape that follows?
If that meteor drops and fucks over Earth, then I'd probably WANT to die then and there.

>>714100060
Responding is nice and all, but again, the only reason the EU will do anything is if the petition succeeds.
And if it doesn't, the EU will do jack shit. Which is my entire point.
Once more: yes, I agree; it's great that the EU is forced to follow its own laws.

>>714097669
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.

>>714100208
Willpower issue.

>>714100214
>And if it doesn't, the EU will do jack shit. Which is my entire point.
Then you better fucking contribute in any way you can, nigger! We don't have all year, you know!

>>714099393
>unquestioningly
I don’t think that’s true. Bureaucracy moves slowly because of how many different interests are at stake. Without undeniable proof and a way to effectively process that proof, morality takes a backseat to the bureaucratic process. That’s the reality of the ordered system that we have to get things done at a federal level, anon.

>>714099460
Like I said, I have 10+ years of experience in pharmacy. I’ve seen how the FDA operates on that end. It isn’t perfect, but it’s far from malicious.

>>714100275
>A business corporation is organized and carried on primarily for the profit of the stockholders.
>The powers of the directors are to be employed for that end.
>The discretion of directors is to be exercised in the choice of means to attain that end and does not extend to a change in the end itself, to the reduction of profits or to the nondistribution of profits among stockholders in order to devote them to other purposes.
It's insane how this isn't widely know.

>>714100275
wait do americans just use the word "socialism" as a shorthand for the government doing anything?

>>714099923
>BECAUSE they won't do shit.
... they literally already have?

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/P-9-2024-001352_EN.html
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/P-9-2024-001352-ASW_EN.html
https://commission.europa.eu/document/8af13e88-6540-436c-b137-9853e7fe866a_en

And the Dutch are going straight for the jugular, suing Sony for them having PSN as a walled garden and abusing their market monopoly.
They want a repeat of Epic-vs-Apple dovetailing into EU-vs-Apple, forcing the platform to be opened up to alternate storefronts and sideloading.

>>714100421
At this point I'm convinced his argument is just >>714099939 without irony

>>714100421
You're actually proving my point.
Instead of banning in-game currencies or banning children from playing games with in-game currencies, all they've done is force companies to add a label next to in-game currencies to say how much euros they cost.
It's all useless bullshit.

>>714100567
Look at principle 6. It bans terms of service that allow companies to take away purchased content.
Yes. They snuck that in there.

>>714099237
>>714099237

>>714100669
Once again, so what?
The problem is the EXISTENCE of in-game currencies.
>i put a wooden fence around the gaping hole in the road so now it's fixed :)

I hate Libertarians so much.
Both Marxists and Capitalists are so stupid in such different ways, Capitalists think government is always some eldritch force that is evil and corrupt and Marxists think so with any success from business. Such backwards ideologies that put the market and it's management above anything else.

>>714100826
Regulating currency is a much better solution than banning it, Mr. Fascist.

>>714101116
It absolutely isn't, because it doesn't solve either the addiction problem or the underage children abusing it problem.

>>714099047
They might still try to cook it.

>>714101182
>addiction problem
Is likely an issue the consumer has that manifests in many more ways than just gacha games. They should be seeking ways to fix that on their own, if they’re responsible enough to recognize that they have a problem and that they need help.

>underage children abusing it
That’s an issue with parental supervision and not the responsibility of government intervention. Kids don’t have money or income of their own. They can’t purchase these things unless their parents are negligent or clueless. A few retards getting taken advantage of doesn’t mean the entire market should suffer as a result of it.

>>714100421
I will say Im very surprised with the uproar against PSN. I know brown countries cant make PSN accounts so that makes sense but even from my perspective it seemed like such a nonissue that you have to make a free account to play a game. Mind you Im not defending playstation, it just seems like an extreme outcry.Ive definitely purchased plenty of games that require you make an account to play