Thread 714280324

Keep discussing the best genre.

>>714280324 (OP)
>best genre
almost all of these games are dogshit my dude

The more I replay DMC5 the more I'm becoming convinced it might be the actual peak of action gaming, even V is fun and not nearly as bad as people make him out to be

Psyop thread so OP can shill Wuwa dni

>>714280524
FPBP

If you want to show skill try playing SF6, single player scrubs.

No one ever mentions how if you wanted to nerf UT then the only 2 things you would need to do is
>Stop the player from being able to charge to level 3, lvl 2 should be the max without essence
>Player can't hold charge indefinitely, the UT will come out after a certain period at max level
Also, if you're on the mind that essence should exist then killing with UT should not reward more essence.

New NG 4 clip.
>The Magatsuhi is a staff that can perform several rapid attacks on several enemies. Use the Bloodraven Form to transform it into a powerful hammer that can land consecutive hits to obliterate your enemies.

>>714280676
>dogshit levels
>ugly characters
>only like 2 good bosses
>shit music
>V
5 is by far the worst game in the series

>>714280942
So do all of tokyo ghoul kid's weapons have a secondary mode?

The quintessential example of /v/'s contrarianism is Wanted:Dead becoming the board's favorite action game and DMC5 becoming the board's most hated action game.

>>714280978
>>only like 2 good bosses
Fun bosses in DMC3
>Agni&Rudra
>Beowulf
>Vergil
Fun bosses in DMC4
>Credo
>Agnus
>Beriel is kind of okay
The series doesn't have a good track record for bosses, DMC5 probably has the best list of ones that feel good to fight
>Goliath
>Cavaliere
>Cerberus
>Artemis
>Vergil obviously

>>714281334
I don't see threads about people praising Wanted Dead but I do see "DMC 2 ... LE GOOD" threads from time to time

>>714280942
I like the concept of this guy basically having trick weapons but you might as well have made an original game at this point.

>>714281441
>I don't see threads about people praising Wanted Dead
Why do you lie so brazenly?

>>714280942
Looks nice. I don't like that in some videos the enemies seem to be disappear into thin air when you finish them off with a UT, but this looks quite good. I just wish there was also armor falling off of these dudes, that would justify their heavy design.

>>714281391
Only cavaliere and vergil are good in DMCV.

>>714281536
What's wrong with the other 3 I mentioned

>>714281334
I know it says Anonymous on most of the posts, but you need to realize there's different people posting.

Did you preorder Ninja Gaiden 4 yet, anon?
Even if you personally don't like the game or the direction it's taking the series, or even if you aren't a Ninja Gaiden fan you HAVE the moral duty of buying it if you want the action genre to be reborn.

The Soulslike genre is dying; this is the absolute perfect moment to deal it a deathblow with NG4 selling 20 million copies.

>>714281590
goliath is just shitty beowful
artemis is an easy and boring gimmick fight
cerberus is a gutted version of 3's cerberush with some cringe dubstep remix

>indians/portugeuese/indonesians are now trying to open up shitty etsy stores with stolen god hand assets and fan art
Why does everything I love attract such parasites

>>714281674
I'll say it every time you bring it up. Ninja gaiden never getting a game again is better than getting NG4. Supporting this game is supporting the slopification of action games. Platinum is shit.

>>714281674
I never preorder but I will buy it on release if reviews are good

>>714281595
So?
Doesn't change the fact that /v/ is a hivemind. A contrarian hivemind.

>>714281680
>goliath is just shitty beowful
>because....because.....BECAUSE IT JUST IS
>artemis is an easy and boring gimmick fight
A boss that isn't bullshit and lets you play around with it is more fun than a boss that doesn't let you do anything.
>cerberus is a gutted version of 3's cerberush with some cringe dubstep remix
KC is an actual well constructed boss in 5, in 3 he's just annoying and there isn't a lot of fun to have there.

>>714280787
>SF6
>skill
wew lad. you make even us 09ers look good.

>>714281771
Why? If you don't like the game you can just not play it but people who are starved for action games will probably enjoy it.

>>714280324 (OP)
So what do you guys think about Nightmare from DMC1?
I like that there's multiple different ways of exposing the cores, but idk he ends up being more annoying than anything. My least favorite boss in 1

So every action genre thread will be invaded by fighting game faggots?

>>714282021
People who are starved for action games have plenty of action games to play. If you like ninja gaiden you are not getting ninja gaiden so i'm "starved" regardless. If I want to play a fun action game I can play the action games that exist or look forward to stuff like nioh 3

I hate forced minigames that play nothing like the base game
I hate Space Harrier
The Space Harrier segment is the reason I almost gave up on the first Devil May Cry and I never bothered replaying it
Knowing they're chock full of Space Harrier and other unrelated minigames is why I will never touch Bayonetta and The Wonderful 101 (even when I already have Bayonetta in my Steam library; bought it as part of a bundle).

>>714280676
5 is my favorite one, just barely ahead of 3, but V is an absolute tumor on that game. I was hoping the Super Turbo edition would either fix him or give me the option to just play his levels as Vergil or something because he's such a chore

>>714282156
>Nioh 3
You're just a Soulsborne fan. Of course you aren't "starved".

>>714282156
>plenty of action games to play
Name 10
>nioh 3
Soulslop are not action games. They're more like INaction games.

>>714282203
Just play Bayo 2 instead
No shitty space harrier segment

>>714282296
>Name 10
Ninja Gaiden 1
Ninja Gaiden 2
Ninja Gaiden 3RE
DMC1
DMC3
DMC4
DMC5
Bayonetta 1
TW101
God Hand
>They're more like INaction games.
bad meme

>>714282203
Stop being autistic. The gameplay in them isn't hard at all. It's tedious but it's not difficult.

>>714282521
I played all of them to death except for TW101 which doesn't look appealing to me. So I'd say I'm pretty starved.
And your .webm just confirms what I said about Nioh 3. Fuck "action" games where you're glued to the floor and spend the most of your time 1v1ing lumbering HP sponges that can kill you in 1-2 hits.

>>714282203
I wonder how many SH segments will NG4 have.
I bet it will have plenty of autorunner segments a la Pepsiman because ninjas.

>>714280978
>5 is by far the most poopie assdick rhino fart
relax, don't you have homework to do

>>714282683
>It's tedious
Yes.
That's the problem.

so theres no point in playing ninja gaiden 2 black right? all ive heard is that its a straight downgrade besides the grafix

>>714282521
>lists almost all the action games that make up the genre and most people have probably already played

>>714282683
It's tedious enough for me to not bother with the game at all.
Imagine my shock when I was playing Yakuza 0 and I found as part of the main story you have to play Space Harrier and that racing Sega game whose name escapes me right now.
Thankfully you only had to play the thing and not clear it or get a high score or some shit.

(I know the irony of bitching about "unrelated forced minigames" and playing a Yakuza game).

>>714282887
Other than improved encounter design no. It has inconsistent mechanics but it's not like vanilla didn't have it's fair share of fuck ups. Play whatever you want.

>>714282156
Single player games don't have that much longevity to them. You can easily get a thousand hours out of online multiplayer, but for single player games - I don't know about you but for me, not matter how much I like and replay the game - I'd play about 200 hours maximum.

>>714280324 (OP)
Can we use a better name ffs

>>714283151
People here aren't going to play your Discord fighters no matter how much you try to bully them.

>>714282887
The visuals are also downgraded.

>>714282729
MGR
Transformers Devastation
Bayo 3
Viewtiful Joe
Urban Reign
Sifu

Also, just because you've played those games doesn't mean you've mastered them. I highly doubt you've beaten all of those on the highest difficulties, let alone done that + gotten high ranks in the relevant games. A real action game fans know you haven't really beaten it until you've mastered the highest difficulty and/or gotten the highest ranks there.

>>714280942
Cool. Looks like you can opt out of perfect block followups, I was really curious about that.

>>714283254
That's not the point.

>>714283312
I'm not autistic enough to squeeze every last bit of fun out of a game before moving on. I'm always seeking new experiences.

>>714283368
Yes it is; that's why you're invading these threads.
Go back to begging for matches on Discord.

>>714283436
Can you get off my dick? You're confusing me with someone else.

>>714283312
Which bring a very interesting point: If the genre has infinite replayability then new games aren't needed.
It's okay if you never get a new DMC or NG or Bayo because you don't need them in the first place.

>>714283312
>Urban Reign
Replace with Spikeout.

>>714282034
cores have a counter of hits they take

if you hit them too much -- they change colour and gain armour

AND they retain their colour and armour throughout the campaign, which means if you have red cores by the time of Nightmare 2 in DMD -- you might as well start over

this is basically a math problem -- you need to do burst as much damage to the cores while they are open with least amount of hits

>>714283563
>If the genre has infinite replayability
It doesn't.

>>714283552
Nah, I'm not.
You're the obnoxious fucker who always try to shill fighting games on these threads.

I'll repeat myself: if people here were interested on fighting games they wouldn't play "single player juggling simulators", they would be playing said fighting games. You're wasting your time and ours.

>>714280324 (OP)
Has anyone actually seen this video?

>>714283672
Yes it does, as pointed out by >>714283312
You will never be satisfied with your skill so the games have infinite replayability.
And if one or several games already perfected the genre / formula / concept, then new games have absolutely no reason to exist.

>>714280978
Best game in the series* But I agree with everything it's a boring ass game

>>714283705
I play both fighting games and action games, and that comparison was the first time I ever mentioned fighting games in these threads. You can fuck off now.

>>714283815
If you treat that anon's opinion as fact, I invite you to do the same with my post. Why not? You seem to be easily convinced.

>>714283434
Then I don't care what you have to say. You're not a real fan.
Also if you've cared about seeking new experiences you would play stuff like Nioh and the other TN ARPGs, you would play beat em ups (2D and the rare good 3D ones), you would play other video games.

There's plenty of action games out there and these are games that specifically have a lot of meat on their bone and are meant to be replayed a bunch, you've chewed the skin off the surface of these games then cry "I'M STARVING!"

NG4 will be dogshit, platinum has no talent left, I do not want to send a message that says "more platslop please!" especially when it's hurting a series I love dearly which has yet to reach the true peak it's systems are capable of, which platinum has ignored in favor of creating their own OC character and mechanics.

>>714283859
No you don't; otherwise you wouldn't bring an unrelated genre to these threads and try to put down single player games.
Last (you) you're getting from me.

>>714283971
>If you treat that anon's opinion as fact
It's not just his opinion; it's pretty much the consensus you get from the fans of the genre.

>>714284147
>4chan
>consensus
What a joke.

>>714280787
I will drive rush your mom tonight if you catch my drift

>>714281680
>the harder, longer and more complex boss fight is a gutted version of the easier, shorter and simpler boss fight
You're retarded.

And before you say some bullshit about 3 Cerb being hard, the only reason he is is because of a bad difficulty curve, refighting him is a total joke.

>>714282156
>People who are starved for action games have plenty of action games to play.
yeah, ng4 and... erm...

>>714284003
>I do not want to send a message that says "more platslop please!"
Instead you're sending a message that says "more soulslop please"

It's not about Ninja Gaiden 4 on itself; it's about proving that proper action games are profitable and worth making.

>>714284003
But I want new games with gameplay similar to DMC or NG.
I really don't care for soulshit and 2d action games where you take damage by standing next to an enemy sprite. They are boring to me on a fundamental level.

>>714283615
only real ones know spikeout

anyone else looking forward to revengeance gaiden 4?

>>714284376
He probably considers dogshit like nioh an action game

>>714284473
My brother, beat em ups put me to sleep.

I've played everything here except Sifu and Kena. Anything you want to recommend and I'm missing from my Steam library?

Why does Nioh trigger this sub so hard?

>>714283705
lmaooooooo, I am the guy you argued with the last time, you are such a pussy LOL...
2d fighters are pretty easy to get into btw

>>714285109
>sub
accurate

>>714284938
Pirate Samurai Jack Battle through Time, emulate God Hand. If you don't mind bamham combat, try shadow of war. I suspect you're the guy who's turned off from W101 by minigames, in which case I won't recommend it.

>Checking the DMC 5 cheevos
>Only 17% completed the game on normal
>Only 10% beat vergil without using continues

>>714284403
>Instead you're sending a message that says "more soulslop please"
The action genre is niche and a big part of that is because casual fans do not want to dig deep into this games.

The irony is that you are doing the same. You are placing this generic catchall "soulslop" term on Nioh and likely team ninjas other new games and not looking into them at all. You're judging them purely by the surface instead of giving them the time of day when the reality is you don't know much about these games and you don't even know why you hate them other than them being partially related to a bigger gaming trend. Again im specifically talking about the TN games here. Nioh 3 even goes and adds a jump button and even enemy hops yet you'll still complain. Well guess what, Team Ninja are the only people in the industry that are still doing interesting things in action games. Meanwhile platinum rapes their OG baby.

>>714284473
Okay then beat every NG on the highest difficulty and get the best ranks in 3RE. S rank all of the DMCs besides 2 on DMD. Go ahead, they're right there. Oh you don't want to do it? then you're not a true fan and you don't deserve a voice.

You're a casual faggot who needs to fuck off back to r*ddit or whatever retard site you came from

>>714285109
it's fun, but it's a pseudo action game and feels very focused on 1v1 fights, which isn't bad for nioh, but I want more crowd fight, in nioh they are usually meh and don't last for very long

>>714284938
ninja gaiden ragebound and shinobi art of vengeance

>>714284938
BamHam

re6 and doom eternal are CAGs too BTW

>>714280942
>perfect parrying lets you do whatever you want afterwards
Yup, it's parryslop.

>>714285341
NTA
Nioh sucks and is worse than the average soulslop
It's soulslop with kusoge jank and item grinding added on top

>>714285598
lmao good catch

>>714285598
Same as previous ninja gaiden games then.

>>714285553
Just remembered that Dishonored is a also CAG
you should try them if you are feeling completely out of games

>>714285695
You don't have a good argument for nioh, let alone SoP or wo long. Especially when you use blanket terms that don't actually mean anything and then try to say it has "grinding" lmao.

>>714285752
No, counterattacking locked you into a specific animation.

Gameplayslop > Comfyslop > Comboslop > Parryslop > Rollslop > Soulsslop > Boobslop
Discussslop

>>714285825
so it's a parryslop AND a movie game...?

>>714285825
Which takes half a second and you can do whatever you want afterwards.

>>714285805
You're really going to sit there and try to tell me Nioh doesn't have an item grind?
You're just going to lie to my face as if I never played it?

>>714285695
there's literally no item grind on your first playthrough and it plays better than every other souls game

Parrysloppers defend yourselves!

>>714285940
If you ever feel the need to grind on NG you actually suck at video games.

>>714284938
Sifu is really good, but Absolver is the same game, only better. It's just that Sifu's broad appeal isn't appreciated here

>>714286028
NG as in new game, not Ninja Gaiden

>>714280787
>the ONLY game in the series that has literal toddlers mogging veterans in top 8s
nice "skill"

>>714285892
>Which takes half a second
which is already superior to whatever the hell they're doing with parries in ng4 retard
intercept was dumb and removed for a reason

>>714285940
Go ahead and tell me the exact reason why you would ever need to grind on the first playthrough in Nioh 1 and 2. Tell me the exact thing you're grinding for and why.

Go ahead bud, tell me how much of a Nioh expert you are

>>714286028
>>714285989
Cool backpedaling, faggot.
Nioh sucks.

>>714286279
it was dumb because the window to do it was 9999999999 frames long, no...?

>>714286314
backpedaling? it was my first reply to you
either way, you sound like you suck at nioh

>>714286293
When did I say on a first playthrough
Quote me you stupid bitch

Nioh is a bad game. Nioh 2 and 3 both made it worse by adding more and more arcadey shit that clashes with the soulslop.

Nioh was good precisely once: in the alpha when it was impossibly hard.
None of them belong in this thread.

Ninja Gaiden is closer to Nioh than to DMC
only legit gamers will understand

>>714286525
>Nioh 2 is bad

It's much better than the first game, which is difficult for all the wrong reasons.

>>714286525
>moving the goalposts
What a giant faggot haha. Fucking idiot. You have no fucking argument. Literally none. Nonsense like "arcadey shit" such as? "clashes with the soulslop"? How? jesus christ man lay out a fucking argument, making statements with nothing to back it up means literally NOTHING.

You've yet to address SoP and wo long btw but I can already see your prefab "argument"
>durrr parryslop

>>714286525
>Nioh 2 and 3 both made it worse by adding more and more arcadey shit that clashes with the soulslop.
That would be awful if Nioh was soulslop

>>714280324 (OP)
Anyone beat this game?
I beat dante's story yesterday and I've gotta say, there's certainly reasons to dislike this game but the hate is overblown. The game is just mediocre for the most part.

>>714287014
>DMCfags are still trying to redeem this game

Do not

>bayo
what's the appeal?

>>714287267
's fun :)

Strafe lock-on combat will always be shit. Ocarina of Time and Dark Souls did irreversible damage to gaming with that crap.

>>714287014
when people talk about DMC being good, all they actually talk about is DMC3, which is very different from the other games in the series. In truth the series is mostly mediocre schlock.

>>714286717
Most Ninja Gaiden bosses are pretty much no different from typical souls bosses where all you do is dodge and punish

>>714286868
>You're moving the goalposts!
>No I don't know what that means!
Hilarious
>Lay out an argument!
No, this is my opinion you dolt, not a debate.
I don't know what you mean by SoP and haven't played Wo Long
Does your dumb ass not know what NTA means?

>>714286350
it was dumb because it broke the entire game from general balance to scoring

>>714287346
DMC1 is one of the greatest games ever made, but I wouldn't expect zoomers to be capable of playing it.

>>714286868
>Fails to quote them
You lost.

>>714287379
but that's... every boss fight ever...
>>714287014
I did and it's giga shit, at this point unironic dmc2 defense must some elaborate itagakifag falseflag shit

>>714287428
>it's ok when UTs do that

>>714287267
dodge offset and wicked weaves are a cool system
I think the weapon system is really really cool and the first game does a great job of adding variety and tying most of the weapons into being some type of projectile that you can hold between attacks
Also it has an actual good scoring system, unlike DMC (including 1)

The music is fantastic as well, enemy designs generally look cool.

>>714287480
I beat it and it was decent, the final stretch is dogshit tho, around 4 - 5 bad bosses back to back

>>714287267
It's designed around aggressive enemies and the core mechanic of the game allows you to combine offense and defense into one.

>>714287673
>normal mode
you didn't beat the game

>>714287407
>not a debate.
That's all you needed to say, I accept your concession as a dumb misinformed retard who has no arguments.

>>714287517
>but that's... every boss fight ever...
Not true. Play games, poser.

>>714287757
>Shits himself
>Loses argument
>Declares himself the winner and walks away
Pretty standard for these threads desu

>>714287517
>but that's... every boss fight ever...
inside the mind of a soulslopper

>>714285339
for the 1000th time this is normal. most games on steam have <20% finishing normal

>>714287924
why are you talking about yourself?

>>714287480
One of the greatest games is certainly stretching it, but it is the path I wish the series had taken. Resident Evil 1 but with cool action combat is a very appealing premise to me.

>>714287571
No, it isn't. UTs and SoBs are poorly balanced and overtuned and everyone knows that.

>>714285265
>>714285545
>>714286029
Already played the Batman games sans Knight and I already played God Hand years ago on my PS2. Samurai Jack doesn't interest me and yeah, I don't like forced minigames so TW101 is a big no-no.
>Absolver is an online multiplayer combat ga-
Hard pass.

Thanks for your replies. So basically I should just play the games I haven't touched yet because there is nothing else to play and wait to see if NG4 is good.

>>714287571
uts are dumb too
ng4 will be the first game in the series with both broken ut chaining and intercept but probably even worse somehow because platinum is just that fucking retarded

>>714287480
zoomer here
from the first couple of minutes i've played of it on hd collection, seems like resident evil's fixed camera angles with hack n slash gameplay instead of guns

>>714288064
Beat God Hand on hard
Beat God Hand with the kick me sign on
Killer is Dead is pretty good (port's broken, though)
Emulate no more heroes 1 and 2 (3 sucks)
Try the more obscure plat games like Korra or Transformers

>>714287134
I can barely consider myself a DMCfag. I pirated the hd collection a couple of weeks ago and never played 4 or 5. I beat dmc 3 on normal, hard and very hard. Then I played dmc 1 (my favorite of the three) also 3 times but I did all S ranks on DMD.
I beat dmc 2 yesterday , and it's certainly the weakest of the three. Everything is slower and most enemies are too passive and easy. The story is boring, Dante's boring, the bosses don't say anything, the enviroments are boring, the music is unremarkable. I didn't hate it. it's just a very dull game.
I heard you can beat the entire game with just the pistols but I never liked relying on the weapons in these games so I went mostly with the sword and the recovery time is noticeable. Basic slashes are slow and you can't dodge cancel or anything so it feel like dark souls were you have to commit to every attack and be potentially punished by hyper armor enemies.

>>714285341
NTA but the Nioh games are Soulslikes even when they have plenty of unique gameplay mechanics.
Pretending that they're proper action games is very disingenuous.

>>714287743
I will not replay the game where nearly every encounter is solved by strafing and spamming shotgun

>>714288234
>emulate no more heroes
but there's a pc port i can pirate
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1420290/No_More_Heroes/

>>714287889
>>714287942
in what game it isn't, unless it's a gimmick boss, beat em ups are different I guess, but I doubt you talk about them
>t. played almost every video game in existence

>>714287997
I miss Kamiya's vision of Dante. 3 did a lot of good things but they never truly got away from him being SUPER WACKY man. 4 dante is retarded, 5 dante is more serious but that game tries to dump so much lore and turns virgil into an absolute faggot, figuratively and literally

>>714287517
That's why bosses need to stop being 1v1s. Ninja Gaiden had the right idea with that.

>>714288365
What's the argument that it's not a proper action game because you used the broad term here. Also people still are ignoring SoP and Wo Long when neither have stamina systems and the latter has a jump button.

>>714285341
wo long is very underrated

>>714288690
100% agree with you, unfortunately retards think it's "bad design" and ask 1v1 fights

>>714288582
4 Dante is the best, punished dante hiding behind a joking veneer is great
DMC1 and 2 are crappy and should be ignored

you guys play these games with keyboard controls?

>>714287517
I played the DMC games for the first time between 2021 and 2024 so I wasn't biased by nostalgia and ignored the already established opinions about the series (many games I like are controversial). I found 2 to be not only the worst of the games but a very, very bad game on itself.
There is no way this current rehabilitation of DMC2 isn't a coordinated shitpost or coordinated trolling.

>>714288819
Why do you keep bringing up shit people aren't talking about
Who gives a fuck about wo long
Do you have brain damage?

>>714288976
It's just Mork again, he's repeatedly mentioned liking DMC2

>>714288915
I do.

>>714288581
Games where you have movement abilities that aren't tied to actual i-frame dodging (obviously 2D games come to mind), games where you have ways to interact with the enemy to make them stagger or interrupt their attacks altogether, obviously games where you can parry or fully counter attacks.

Most of the ninja gaiden 1 bosses betray a lot of the fun stuff you can do in that game by making bosses that don't let you use most of your techniques, they won't flinch, etc so the only thing to do is i-frame dodge their attack then get a punish while they recover. That's all there is to it, there isn't anything else interesting you can do vs those fights.

>>714288690
we need more of this and random mooks in fights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vx1k8TNEao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR4FGQ_UEMg

Opinion on Kingdom Hearts?

>>714288915
Most of these games are better played on a pad with few exceptions like sekiro or bamham games.

>>714289083
Doubt this is true, especially since he only played DMC 3 for the first time recently and hasn't seemed to touched the rest of the series

>>714289007
>Didn't answer the question

>>714287379
this. even wo longs bosses are far more engaging than ninja gaiden. you can convert the spirit from normal hits and parries into heavy hits, martial arts, a variety of spells or just typical blocks if there's particular strings you have trouble with. going greedy can be rewarded if you can break spirit quicker, there's strings to switch weapon midcombo. it's actually quite dynamic. meanwhile ng bosses are just dodge and poke during the punish window. for how short the punish windows are you might as well have a stamina bar in ninja gaiden, it would be functionally the same.except the ones with mobs to drop essence, ninja gaiden bosses are just soulslop without the lock on. ninja gaiden has become the ramones t shirt of vidya, total poser garbage. gan ning, lu bu, and blindfolded boy are all better bosses than anything in the entire ninja gaiden series.

>>714289258
FUCK Kingdom Hearts

>>714289223
>just spams flying swallow into izuna until it's a 1v1 vs the boss
what a dogshit video, kill yourself

>>714289406
>wo longs bosses are far more engaging than ninja gaiden
parryslop brainrot

>>714282521
holy fucking shit that looks fun. what game is this?

>>714289221
oh, you mean you can mash a string until he attacks you and then you cancel into a dodge (or other defensive button) and punish, THANKS

>>714289258
kh2 has some cool stuff but you get it way too late and there's not a whole lot of enemies that let you mess around with them in fun ways besides optional end game stuff. Also the game can be cheesed too easily with those gay summons which really make the power up modes feel irrelevant

>>714289258
>Kingdom Hearts

>>714289475
NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST...... PLAY THE GAME!!!! YOU HAVE TO PLAY WITH MADE UP RULES OR IT MAKES MY GAME LOOK BAD

>definitely "this kind" of action game
DMC3/4/5
Bayo/2/3
MGR
Transformers Devastation
God Hand
Ninja Gaiden/2/3
Viewtiful Joe
W101

>sort of belongs but clearly not in the same category
Onechanbara, senran, and other assorted kusoge
Samurai Western
Rising Zan
Urban Reign

>Does not belong by any stretch of the imagination
Wo Long
Lies of P
Nioh
Sekiro
Souls

>>714289486
explain to me how this is less engaging than doku

>>714289571
>boss fights need fodder enemies!!!
>posts a dogshit video that just turns the game into 1v1 anyway

>>714289406
The parry window is so generous in WL that there's never a reason to block.

>>714289486
nice buzzwords but I only talk to people who actually play video games and can communicate original thoughts though so please don't reply again

>>714289652
this nigga put Novelty Musou over TN ludo...

>entire thread of PROVE OBJECTIVELY IN AN ACADEMIC PAPER THAT YOUR OPINION IS CORRECT
These games attract the dumbest motherfuckers alive

>>714289750
that's a fair point and for the most part I agree my single biggest criticism is that the parry window is too generous. if it were a little tougher the other mechanics would come into play more. I did resort to some regular blocking against yuan shu and some of the others on the ng+ levels though

>>714289902
>Make a retarded statement
>Have nothing to back it up
>WAAAAH YOU GUYS NEED TO STOP TRYING TO MAKE ME THINK ABOUT HOW RETARDED MY DOGSHIT OPINION IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>714289712
This looks like a gacha faux-mmo, like fucking Neptunia 4 Goddesses
This is what you kids put forth to compete with DMC and NG?

>>714289948
It's so stupid in both WL and ronin why do they even bother have blocking and dodging when they're so useless compared to the parry button. All of this was seemingly solved in SOP only to be completely abandoned

>>714289750
And that's only because TN fagged out and made the game easier for Sekiro babies post launch (or demo, don't remember), FUCK, soulsbabs ruin everything

>>714290124
Stick to Nioh if you can't handle it

>>714289712
retards will really play soulsslop but faster and go "yeah this is an action game"

>>714290219
Nioh is harder than both of these games though? you can sleep through WL and Ronin

>>714290256
>NG3
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

>>714290331
Who gives a shit
None of those fit into the genre of character action
Take that shit to a topic that cares

>>714289750
>>714289948
Generous parry window is a good thing. The game is intentionally not trying to make parry some hardcore thing.
it's extremely well designed because it's more about creating a certain flow to the combat. Parries feed into your spirit but parries themselves do not give any extra benefit beyond that, so when your spirit is maxed out or closed to maxed out it's better to look for opportunities to deal damage otherwise you're "wasting" excess spirit and the only thing it does is take out a small amount of MAX spirit of the opponent

Compare the design to Ronin which has a much more punishing parry and has enemies that have much tougher patterns and where parries are always objectively good to do because they'll widdle the opponents ki down while restoring some of yours

>>714290256
God, bosses in ng3 were so tedious

Nioh 2 fits these games because of the high skill ceiling, but the other recent TN games are either parryslop or just mediocre

>>714290081
You can literally make the same statement about any clip of any action game.

>>714290256
The only difference here is enemy juggles lol. Cicada surge is a parry that lets you cancel out of any of your animations and obviously there were some dodges into punishes here.

a good boss for an action game should be just a mini boss or two with a bunch of minions, or just a large scale crowd fight, but no, someone decided that we need to fight 1 nigger with 5 moves and have fun

>>714290591
Nioh 2 has a lower skill ceiling than Nioh 1. feather cancelling is not only easy but retarded OP and obviously yokai abilities and burst counters make the game baby googoo

>>714290418
There are characters you control with actions though?

>>714290451
It's literally not intentional, they made the window bigger in the day one patch, you were meant to take it slowly and learn the enemies by blocking first, like in Ronin

>>714290660
>You could say the same of any game
No, not really. The whole phone-based arpg thing is relatively new.
Don't know why you retards are forcing discussion of this off topic crap. If you have no character action games to talk about let the threads die.

people in this thread will be made there is actual video game discussion but if nobody was talking about team ninja ARPGs there would be no other discussion going on, maybe infighting about which DMC is the best.

>>714290781
Way too much 'safe damage' in 2, makes multi enemy fights insanely easy compared to 1

>>714290864
Doesn't invalidate the rest of what I said. The parry is still very fast and even spammable with some rhythm.

>>714290781
>>714290908
you have no idea what a skill ceiling is

>>714290907
>if nobody was talking about team ninja ARPGs there would be no other discussion going on
That's fine. We don't need another shitty general.

>>714290864
Beat Ronin without ever blocking to 'learn' enemies, spamming CS is too easy to pull off and even if an enemies combo was overwhelming i would just switch to a stance with a nearly 30 frame parry window. You could remove the block button from the game and nothing would change

>>714291019
You're talking out of your ass.

>>714290591
I wouldn't say nioh 2 is really harder than the rest of their new games. they're all pretty comparable imo

>>714291106
>>714291119
literal illiterate retards

>>714291198
See >>714290036

>>714289652
Sekiro is a pure action game, one of the best. Nioh is kinda similar to bloodborne, it leans into action but retains builds, stats and coop, which is actually a good thing since it adds replayability.

Holy fuck it's over parry zoomers have taken this place over almost completely

>>714291012
yeah, except for Ronin you can dodge and block, and parry only the easy things (red attacks and string enders), parry cancels your lights, stance and weapon switches give you blood and cost very little ki, blade flash cancels your lights and gives ki, so the combat flows very well too, just takes more skill

>>714291465
>Royal Guard
>Reflect
>Nincada dodge
>Dodge Offset
>Witch Time
>Third Strike Wank
always have 'boomlennial'.

>>714291646
Parryslop =/= parrying existing

>>714291360
Cool story bro
It isn't character action

>>714291646
don't forget intercept technique in ng04. literally sekiro 15 years before the time

>>714291741
*slop = anything existing

>>714291646
no... NO... NOOOOOOOOOO!!! POSITIONING ALWAYS MATTERED IN DMC AND NG!!! I DIDNT IFRAME THROUGH EVERYTHING I SWEAR!!! THEY ARENT IFRAME SPAMMERS!!!!!!!!!!

>>714291834
sorry about your brain-damageslop

>>714291741
>>714291931
Delimb and SoB are also cinematic slop, your buzzword slop isn't kino, you're a cringey faggoid muttoid, literally this but unironically
[gigachad.png]
/thread
>inb4 you can't /thread yourself

if you hate parries but don't play beat em ups then you are literally just thoughtlessly repeating generic /v/ arguments to sound cool or something

>>714291469
>so the combat flows very well too
Ronin is limited by the ki, which is not the case in Wo Long and if you aren't parrying most of the attacks you won't have much ki to work with when punishing the opponent. Ronin's parries are harder and that was my point, the game wants you to parry more so they make parrying more difficult and enemies have more difficult attacks to parry.

Wo Long is a lot more proactive of a game and it's all about weaving special punishes between parries and using dodges to get bigger punish windows when it matters. You can be proactive in Ronin but it's more of a back and forth.

I like both games a lot but I recognize the core differences in their design, making wo longs parry window tighter wouldn't really serve any purpose to it's gameplay overall.

>pointless "general" outside of /vg/
>no new content to drive the thread
>just retards arguing over tangents
Ok you can stop posting these now

if you like parries but don't play rhythm games then you are literally just thoughtlessly repeating generic /v/ arguments to sound cool or something

>>714291646
royal guard is especially funny because when you can iframe into attacks and RG to make it piss easy to get against certain enemies and attacks.

>>714291469
Ronin intentionally doesn't take much skill to play, this was TNs attempt at capturing triple A audiences with koei even wanting it to sell 5 million copies.

>>714292058
beat em ups mog this entire genre so its not fair to compare them

>>714292117
it's more limited, but it's far from the "wait for a parry and then punish" type of game, you can offend people pretty well

>>714292234
yeah and doing that is way slower than just killing stuff normally. you retards just do not get that it isn't parrying that's the problem, it when parrying makes nearly every other option obsolete and the devs intentionally nerf other options to encourage relying on parries as a baseline mechanic. no thought, no strategy, no new skills to learn, just the most basic and boring mechanic of learning movesets and pressing the qte button
please shut the fuck up and stop ruining this genre

I like the idea of 2d beat em ups but something about them always bore the fuck out of me and it's not a 2D thing because there's a lot of 2D games I like including shit like OG castlevania

I’ve come to realize there is no greater filter than modern Team Ninja games. Either you recognize that they’re great action games, or you say they’re soulslop and expose yourself as being a retarded faggot with no taste. There’s literally no in between

>2 player endings
FUCK

>>714292367
And you post sor4 combo slop

>>714292589
>combos as an actual crowd control tool
that's not slop
it's been 24 years since action games have a been a thing and they still can't do this

>>714292742
That's literally what most Musuo do, Kingdom Hearts 1 rewards mashing to a degree with tech bonuses.

>>714292367
>posts a 2d equivalent of musou slop

>>714292452
>it when parrying makes nearly every other option obsolete and the devs intentionally nerf other options to encourage relying on parries as a baseline mechanic. no thought, no strategy, no new skills to learn, just the most basic and boring mechanic of learning movesets and pressing the qte button
sekiro is the only example of this that comes to my mind. Furi, MGR, TN games, MH Rice have strong parries, but the gameplay is far more than "one parry button and nothing else"
>>714292573
you can unlock a CPU for the coop mode later on to get these iirc

>>714292742
We had 30 years of bmups with CC that didn't rely on combo slopping from screen to screen.

>>714290081
Bullshit, enemies barely attack you in gacha slop
Also your entire combat revolves around pressing 2 buttons that spam invulnerability cutscene attacks

>>714292416
>you can offend people pretty well
I never argued otherwise. Again my core argument here is that wo longs parries facilitate the entire spirit system. Even if it's true they made parries more lenient on launch (I didn't notice a difference between betas and launch personally) the fact is that the parry animation is faster, you can cancel part of it with blocking, and you can spam it in a rhythm without dodging. They expect you to be able to pull off parries frequently, which is also why parries do not affect the enemy beyond taking off max ki a minor amount. It's not trying to be "hardcore". Enemy design is actually very similar to Nioh's, very fair animations and attack strings.

>>714293067
Sounds pretty accurate to me

>>714293002
>We had 30 years of bmups with CC that didn't rely on combo slopping
not had, you still do, and even back then you already had games like avp that used combos nearly the same way
sor4 and fightnrage just take modern combo systems and actually make them good

Anyway NG is shit.

is no more heroes kino?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_d_LYW6Omk

This is a really comprehensive video but it bothers me a lot how he spends like an hour how explaining how to beat every enemy and boss, which usually involves very simple strategies, and then talks about how it's the greatest action game ever and the golden standard. No criticisms or thoughts on how beaten enemies in this way is very basic and boring.

NGB is a cool game but I feel like if your whole channel is about covering combat mechanics and you have a near 2 hour video covering this game, with most of it dedicated to strategies to beat the game, you should talk about how simplistic it actually is. There should be some kind of argument for you to make on why you like it despite spending so much time on the complexities of combat just to go "okay for these enemies I just dodge and then I do back+Y infinitely until they're dead"

>>714293981
It's kusoge

But it's okay despite being that

>>714293981
it's kino

>>714292367
I think what bothers me is that the enemies are just too simplistic in beat em ups. Crowd control is always important but it seems like enemies rarely give much of a fight? Not a lot of moves, just get in and toss them around.

I wish I could get into beat em ups, I truly do, but when I look at this shit or other beat em ups it's just hitting one enemy into CC and just repeat until you progress, maybe throw in some special invincible moves here and there. When the enemy design is so simplistic and CC so easy to come by, where does the actual depth come from?

>>714294039
NG enemies are well designed and work together really well, just bmup enemies are pretty simple on their own, the challenge comes from fighting them in groups, just because they have weaknesses and counter play doesn't mean they are simplistic

>>714294039
Cool argument but back+Y

>>714292937
sekiro is the main culprit, but wo long and lies of p also apply, and I haven't played them but it looks like stellar blade and rotr do too. I just don't want this shit infesting every game and people who haven't played real action games that require the player to take some initiative and be aggressive and creative to stay in their parry game bubble while talking about how great their combat systems are

>>714294336
>enemies rarely give much of a fight
huh

>>714294496
My argument isn't necessarily the enemy design but just how he points out really simple strategies and doesn't commentate on how boring and easy these actually are, most importantly when it comes to the boss section where he covers every single one and the exact strategy he uses to beat them.

>>714284938
Aztez

>>714288536
arguably wagglan controls is the best way to experience it, like madworld
but honestly, it's a suda game, you're in for the story, does it really matter if you play it one way or another?

>>714294336
God Hand.
Play God Hand.

>>714294691
Parryslop even ruined Spirit X Strike.
The demo was so promising but the bosses are the definition of parryslop, just 100% hyper armor and a big dumb stun gauge you can only fill by parrying everything.

I think NMH 1 and 2 has a good sense of feedback through animations and visuals, I think that's worth mentioning in action over jugglan and parryan.

>>714287014
If you skipped Lucia's campaign you didn't beat the game.

>>714294039
I wrote him off after the DMC 4 review, just impossible to take anything he says seriously after seeing his basic bitch gameplay and the tierlist.

Vanilla NG3 or DMC2?

>>714294691
Wo Long's parry facilitates it's spirit system but like i've said in previous posts you can use movement and dodging to give bigger openings to deal more damage to enemies. There are also weapons that have different effects, like axes and hammers have parry frames at the start of attacks so you can "armor" through attacks while still getting the benefits of parry
Lies of P has a strong parry but I actually recently beat it and rarely parried, you can play it exactly like a block and dodge game and it work just fine.
Rise of the Ronin has actual interesting patterns, also there is some interesting stuff as well, like moves that have guard or i-frames, the parry itself is also an attack button and some weapons have good attack buttons, even some of them have other effects like on a successful parry it will immediately go into it's attack. You can also parry in the air and this gives you more stamina back while putting you behind the opponent, which can make the rest of their attack string whiff and give you an oppurtunity to attack. Not every move and string has good tracking so dodging out of a move an attacking can still be useful.
I only played the demo for Stellar Blade but it's more based on pure red light greenlight specified counters to moves, i.e. yellow moves you dodge into to counter or w/e

>>714295029
Obviously im talking about 2d beat em ups

>>714295275
NG3 actually has challenge underneath the tedium, honestly it's MGR before MGR if you think about all the walking segments, stealth segements, QTEs and even mech designs.

>>714295285
I did appreciate what wo long did with the posture system compared to sekiro (and its god awful spirit emblem mechanic) but it's just not enough. parrying is overwhelmingly the central mechanic and stacking more stuff on top of that only helps but doesn't fix the issue. also the game felt very unpolished and rushed imo, and morale was stupid, but I guess that's besides the point
I may try replaying lies of p with that in mind some day as I didn't hate the game or anything and if other options are viable maybe I would even like it, but I'm really tired of soulslike games at the moment

>>714295275
Neither should've been made but at least DMC2 doesn't feel tired as fuck. NG3 is unironically GoW Ascension tier.

>>714295275
DMC 2 no diffs.

DMC4 or Bayonetta 3?
DMC5 or NG2?
nuGoW or Rise of the Ronin?
Pancakes or Waffles?

>>714294741
the bosses can be underwhelming, yeah, I guess that's why it's called combat overview, and the review part is a pretty short bit at the end

>>714295749
Mashing E&I is more tiring than going for SoB.

>>714295083
this is true, meaty visual and sound effects goes a long way, even when your game is kinda crap
sifu does this too

>>714296050
Also (for both Wii and on Gamepad), Travis doesn't suck to pilot. I know that should be a given and a courtesy in recent gaming, but the concept of 'Wii action game' could've gone really fucking bad.

>>714294691
didn't play either desu, from what I've seen Wo Long has some meat on its bones, but Lies of P I just don't care, it seems like a souls knock off without any attempt at making the combat any fun

Why are people in this thread so adamant on excluding Nioh/Wo Long/Ronin from being discussed along action games? Is it the gear/RPG elements?

>>714294691
Lies of P isn’t comparable to those others at all, it’s one of the only games with a strong parry that doesn’t devolve into parryslop. Assuming we don’t count Team Ninja games (and we shouldn’t), it easily has the best souls combat by a large margin

>>714295248
>tierlist
what tierlist?

>>714294336
did you actually play them or just watched some videos online and decided to not bother

>>714295248
What's up with his DMC4 review in particular?
>look it up
>"I liked the dice game"
>"I like the disappearing bridge"
>"I like Dante reusing Nero's stages backwards and the gimmicks make them better"
>"people say 4's enemies aren't designed for Dante, but the returning enemies from DMC1 were"

>>714296476
They aren't true action games.

>>714296476
I would include action adventure, which I would put; Nioh, pre-BotW Zelda, Soul-Sekiro, Bloodborne and the Prince of Persia series under.
It's just not spectacle heavy.

>>714295674
It doesn't have stamina, it has jumping, it gives you a good amount of attacks to use, it lets you cancel some moves into each other, it has a large variety of weapons with their own quirks which you equip two of and swap between midfight (even get a special parry move involving swapping), the enemies are designed around the player being able to dodge or jump over enemies to create attack opportunities, parrying does not widdle an enemies posture down, and when an enemies posture is filled you get to pop off with a combo for a short period.

Literally what more do you want. Sekiro is bad because they purposefully make dodging really bad and jumping over attacks is rarely worth it outside of the designated jumpable mikiri counters and you have almost nothing to work with in terms of offense, not to mention that parrying every attack you can will break enemies posture faster than killing them normally so it's always optimal to parry everything possible to take their posture down as quick as possible, with the exclusion of beast enemies. There is nothing to work with. Wo Long's parry is easy and it is good but better players will not overly rely on using it exclusively for defense, as there are better options you can use to take advantage of situations. Your dodge is good, your run is good, your jump is good. You can use all of those to create more openings.

Wo Long is severely underrated and misunderstood because people only look at the surface

>>714296476
It's mostly bad faith shitposting from people who haven't played them, but even the best contender for the genre (Nioh 2) is borderline. I think it fits given the depth of gameplay and ability to play stylishly, but I don't necessarily think someone is wrong if they think the stamina system or focus on mostly 1v1 combat disqualifies it.

>>714280324 (OP)
>press 5 buttons to hit
>it could be 1 or 2 but it's five for no particular reason
bullshit genre

>>714296476
They’re retards. They see a number or a stat, and they start crying and shitting themselves. It doesn’t matter that Team Ninja games have better combat than at least half of the CAGs out there, having some Souls DNA upsets their autism and they won’t stand for it.

>>714296739
name five action games that aren't DMC that do this

>>714296739
low IQ whether or not this is bait

>>714296238
>it seems like a souls knock off without any attempt at making the combat any fun
This is correct. I beat it recently and it has bad level design and the majority of the enemies put up no fight whatsoever. The most interesting part about the game is the weapon assembly system, where the handle is the weapon moveset while the blade is well, the blade which has it's own hitbox and comes with it's own special move. There's some neat stuff there but when the enemies you fight are boring dogshit that can be beaten by mashing light attacks then the system is not worth engaging with

>>714296739
Toribash?

>>714286525
>Nioh 2 and 3 both made it worse by adding more and more arcadey shit that clashes with the soulslop.
Nioh 2 is exceptional actually. I can see 3 potentially being even better

>>714287407
>I don't know what you mean by SoP
Tragic

>>714296794
>some Souls DNA
>some
lmao

>>714296646
Ninja Gaiden isn't about spectacle either, it doesn't have a real scoring system either.

>>714296674
>Literally what more do you want
parrying to not be so central to combat. I am trying to consider what you're saying and that maybe I've underestimated it, but isn't parrying the best way of getting posture up, which you need to access the other mechanics? I remember attacking enemies works too but parrying is still both the best defensive option and the gateway to your offensive options.

>>714289486
Ninja Gaiden has literally the worst bosses in action games. It's built for fighting multiple enemies together so with any single boss it just falls apart.

>>714296834
Nigga i can't even name 5 games of this bullshit genre at all

>>714297123
Thanks for proving my point so quickly, buddy!

>>714296923
yeah, most of these souls inspired games rarely focus on the combat part enough, I've heard the Khazan games got more involved gameplay, but beyond that + some TN efforts the genre is rarely worth looking into

>>714296923
Lies of P has the best combat in any soulslike outside of Team Ninja’s stuff. It’s not a top tier combat system by any means but it blows away anything that From Software has ever made

>>714297135
Being an acrobatic ninja fighting demons is spectacle. Are you stupid? The movement system alone is 50% of the spectacle.

>>714296476
because it expands the subject matter too much
just because wo long and DMC are both ostensibly action games doesn't mean they have anything in common
this is the same shit that happened ten years ago because the entire concept of a general for a dead genre is retarded

>>714297180
>Ninja Gaiden has literally the worst bosses in action games
Bayonetta 2 has logged in.

>>714297396
Noooooo you don’t understand! Spectacle is when I spend 40 hours in practice mode to get my combo just right, then walk up to the punching bag ant guy and do it on him!

>>714297386
>but it blows away anything that From Software has ever made
Unironically most of the recent games labelled as "souls likes" have far more engaging combat than anything Souls that From puts out. Khazan is another example though maybe closer to Nioh. Dark Souls, from purely a combat perspective, is just not particularly engaging or deep. People come for the spooky ruins, not the monotonous encounters.

>>714297428
Alright you got me

>>714297428
Even I haven't played it and I 100%'ed Bayo 1.

>>714297547
Enemies in Gayden are juggleable too, starting area on the hardest difficulty practically asks the player to chain UTs.

Sekiro fans be like

>>714297428
if you want to look at shit boss fights, look no further than bayo 1 actually
not a single soul on this planet like this fight

>>714296539
>he deleted it
lol. Someone posted it on /v/ though https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/694207558/#694237921

>>714297756
it's not bad, but the second part is definitely shit

>>714297756
Nah, THIS motherfucker was annoying.

>>714297718
They're ukrainians?

>>714297146
>parrying to not be so central to combat.
Why. Why does it bother you. I would be bothered if the game overly punished you for not parrying everything but again only Sekiro massively punishes that.

The "positioning doesn't matter" argument doesn't matter much when like I said, you can use your movement tools to create openings when it matters, when it's relevant, which it can be relevant quite a bit. In Wo Long the only time where there is absolutely no reason to not parry is vs red attacks and that's a fair criticism but it's not the only attacks that exist.

Read earlier posts where I talk about parrying facilitating the spirit system. You need to get over your autism about "parry le bad". Sekiro implemented it horribly and good games like ronin and wo long are paying for it

>>714297386
Enemy design is boring and bad. Objectively. This is why the game sucks. Bosses range from okay to bad, generally a lot more fair than I thought they would be but I think there's like 3 bosses I thought were cool. It's not a bad game, it just feels mediocre. There's nothing to latch onto beyond, like I said, the weapon assembly system. I also found most of the levels to be EXTREMELY ugly, looks like it's just made up of models they bought from UE5 marketplace. The town area and museum looked good tho

>>714297771
GOATED list for putting Resi6 in A

>>714297771
>Stranger of Paradise in S tier
I mean I love SoP but the variety comes from your builds. The core combat is likely going to be very similar for most builds where you're just constantly cancelling your skills into your other job's skills and timing it with soul shields to stagger the enemy.
The rest of this list is all over the place.

>>714297756
It's trash but it's still not as bad as LS. At least 1 had the Jeanne fights...

>>714297396
Okay so how is Nioh not a spectacle then, it's a badass samurai using yokai to fight other yokai. Are you stupid?

>>714298029
That's just slavs in general m8

>>714297756
>Rise of the ronin that high
Kinda surprising. Combat is pretty addictive but it's relatively surface level. There's a ton of moves but it never really feels like there's that much to them

>>714280324 (OP)
Stop posting that pic bastardizing DMC NG and MGR with that Trannynetta shit, faggot

>>714298297
Nioh was super cool for having the fastest dodges behind the low stance, very fun to ki pulse into flux every time

>>714298513
>get this women out the way of my buff dudes!
sounds like you're the faggot!

>>714298513
MGR is the worst of the bunch and carried by its ost alone

>>714298506
>There's a ton of moves but it never really feels like there's that much to them
You only looked at the surface then

>>714298820
>He likes playing as a tranny icon
lol lmao

mork

>>714298909
What's under the surface anon, enlighten me

>>714298929
I like looking at how women. I guess you prefer looking at shirtless guys or guys in tight spandex tho

>>714298929
trannies crawled back under the floorboards the second they found out canonically bayo is married with a kid

I hope they make scarlet nexus 2 some day, it'd be super cool if it had active tag between two characters and more/better enemies.

>>714299260
t. ranny

>>714299405
It's just a game anon, it's not that deep

>>714280324 (OP)
>Bayotranny
Fuck off

>>714299405
*>t.ranny
nufag

>>714297718
Fromsloppers*

>>714298034
parrying of this sort is a reductive mechanic that gives the player an extremely good defensive option that also gives them offensive power, so you know you can always (over)rely on it. it just reduces the appeal of other options and slopifies much of the gameplay into one sludge mechanic. what exactly does it add to wo long?

>>714287480
DMC1 is zoomercore game retard

>>714291360
>press |PARRY| to win
>one of the best
lol

>>714299609
Cute bait sister, but it's a little too obvious.

>>714299605
I hate this idea that decreasing player downtime in combat and letting them keep the offensive is a bad thing. Especially when not all parries are executed equally in this genre.

>>714299260
>canonically bayo is married with a kid
>unironically playing as a tranny AND a whore

HELL YEAH CODE VEIN 2 instead of god eater 4 thank you very much I love souls kikes ...

>>714300001
>decreasing player downtime in combat and letting them keep the offensive
how about, just, uhhh, ummmmmm, just letting the player dodge or interrupt and then go on the offensive like other action games instead of needing to wait and play a minigame before responding to them?? literally what is the difference other than wasting time and letting the player get free offensive power for nothing. your best defense seems to be "it's not that bad" but I see no reason it's good

>>714299158
I don't feel like getting into it fully, sorry but at the basic level all skills can be put to good use, some put pressure on the enemy while keeping you safe, some punish them for blocking, some can be used defensive, some are just really fast. It all comes together when you start switching stances mid fight to utilize those skills and chain them together.

>>714300247
>nooo mom I wanted more monhun slop tonight!!!!!

>>714300279
>play a minigame to doge instead
>enemy is le punching bag if I can stagger it
There is no winning.

Name 1 (one) action game that isn't slop.

>>714300279
>um, parry is a mini game!
>um, the same thing but easier and less reward??? yep, it's different!
seems retarded to me

>>714300394
there's 0 mh clones right now, Mr. Nigger, and Wilds isn't getting good until the expansion
And MH-like would be 100 times more interesting than another souls clone

>>714300494
>>714300549
>parrying is a good mechanic because, uhhhh it just is okay???
just admit you only like it for the sound effect it plays

>>714300506
Double Dragons & Battle Toads on Genesis.

>>714300754
I think it's okay

>>714299605
>what exactly does it add to wo long?
Read the rest of my posts i'm not gonna reiterate the same shit several times in the same thread. Just because parry is good as a defensive option doesn't mean it should be the only defensive option. A bad player will overly rely on parry, which then causes them to spend more time parrying than attacking. A good player will use their other movement tools to give themselves bigger punishes when applicable.

Why is this thread so angry?

>>714300754
Parrying, if the window is tight and rewards timing, is a great option on top of dodging, positioning, even blocking. The issue is in threads like these, retarded blimp lipped baboons like you set up this false dichotomy that it's one or the other, when context matters and varies in Action games.

How DMC handles parries is different from how MGR does it, or Godhand and so on. And all of those games have different forms of CC, i-frame usage and mobility tools (with some overlap of the former).
>uhhhh it just is okay???
It's bad when the game is balanced around just ONE of those things, sure.

>>714301047
I specifically laid out which games did parrying badly and which didn't in my first post retard, I have no issue with parrying in DMC for example. MGR is borderline desu

>>714301023
Nobody who has the motivation or time to git gud at these kinds of games has sex.

>>714301023
it's an action thread

>>714300506
Boom.

Man, Sifu is so much fun when enemies can attack all at once.

>>714301175
>its okay in dmc because....IT JUST IS OKAY

>>714301498
>still taking turns

>>714301498
Is this modded or some special difficulty, I haven't played since launch

>>714301547
Yes

>>714301547
NTA but
>game where parry is one of a myriad of defensive options where you can play the entire game without using a single parry
>game designed around parrying as the primary combat mechanic
These are very different things.

>>714301664
They added modifiers to the game that let you change a bunch of shit. Disabling the slowdown is a mod though.

>>714301441
H-HAYAI

>>714301752
Okay and every game besides sekiro has other strong defensive options too.

gameplay showcased should be more varied
you can't just show one boss fight like the audience already knows what they're looking at

>gacha posters have infiltrated this thread
it's fucking over

>>714302264
I don't mind arcadey-gameplay like Shinobi, Samurai Western or a classic bmup.

I enjoy and respect a bit of depth, but sometimes a cool set of bread-n-butter combos and good aesthetic are more important than implementing meters, parries just because.

nah I am one of the ninja gaiden guys, just wanted to share some joy with you guys

When will NG fans start claiming that all the hardcore rolling/parrying simulators were invented in 2004 by Itagaki and claim he was a visionary and gamers weren't ready for it yet? All the genius combat in soulborne games? All was done before in Ninja Gaiden for XBox first. All the gay shit that can be considered cancer in them nowadays? Itagaki pioneered it too.

>>714302264
need more gameplay of people playing poorly
for frame of reference

I decided to replay MGR and so far I am not having fun.

>>714303328
are you retarded, NG for NES invented all that already

Kamiya vs Itagaki who would win in a fight?

when the genre so dead we make my dad vs. your dad posts and post gacha pictures

>>714302584
>ngoids are also gachoids
lmao

>>714303674
Neither one is my dad you idiot, that's based Itsuno.

>>714302584
Gacha games are awesome I hope steam approves Blue Archive soon. Haven't tried umamusume yet though.

>>714303328
Souls games would actually be fun if their defensive mechanics worked the same way as NGB.

>>714303954
dude your dad literally left you

>>714304381
H-He'll come back eventually...

umamusume: pretty darby :)

>>714280790
People have mentioned that multiple times. Razor's Edge already makes manually charged UTs weaker even at max charge and being forced to release doesn't change anything about the fundamental strength of the UTs because of how they're mainly punishable during the charge. Whiffing is ironically one of the safest things you can do next to hitting them. And as is always the issue with the other idea, aside from it being a small stopgap to just making you UT every other few kills instead, if your only punishment for using your strongest attack is that you can't get other, weaker attacks through lack of money, then why would you ever stop using your strongest attack? If your balance idea can't overcome that then you need to go back to the drawing board.

>>714297771
You can poke holes in it here and there but Bayo 3 that high up is based (TL note: I agree with it)

>>714301018
Man, there's so little interaction going on in this webm. Every attack is indistinct from one another.

>>714296476
The only thing that exposes more people in these threads as ignorant posers than when they try to talk about Razor's Edge is when they try to talk about Nioh and the other more recent TN games. The RPG elements are just a convenient scapegoat they rely on and anything else they say like trying to call the games 1v1 focused or limited by Ki or comparing it to Souls by bringing up aspects that were in Ninja Gaiden first makes it even clearer.

>Razor's Edge fag
>modern TN slop shiteater
Geez man pick a struggle

>>714301560
That's all games albeit.

>>714309906
The games are objectively 1v1 focused. I don't know what you get out of trying to deny something so blatantly true.

Went back to check his 3RE playthrough and I want to gouge my eyes out. ABSOLUTE FRAUD GAMEPLAY I reported the video for repulsive content. This is how I imagine retards from /v/ threads play the game, not someone with a fucking channel called combat overview, uses its thumbnail for every video and has the game itself in A tier. Is having a Ryu Hayabusa avatar really all it takes to look credible?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIstzn09064
>>714306932
Nahhh I'd rather have the games I understand and like be placed lower in his tierlist.

>>714310809
>who uses

>>714310432
All of the games feature constant group battles, several crowd control options and both systems and mechanics designed to be more effective on enemy groups. You being shit at manually controlling a lockon system that only facilitates such fights further by being effortless to swap at any time and is barely different from camera control in function has no bearing on that.

>>714310809
Why does 3RE look visually worse than NG2 even though it came out 4 years later? Also playing with engl*sh dub, fucking gross.

>>714310432
Nioh 1 is constantly throwing multiple enemies at you

>>714281680
>cerberus is a gutted version of 3's cerberus
almost had me, I'll admit it

bump

I'm still waiting for the day someone takes NG2's base and makes a polished and complete game out of it.

>>714312091
Because RE somehow managed to look smoother and stiffer at the same time. NG2 had a gritty dynamism to its visuals-blood effects, chunky impact animations, actual particle weight-that actually fit the gameplay. RE sterilized everything in the name of "polish," slapped on washed out post-processing, and somehow lost all the visual identity in the process. And don't even get me started on the bloom. Also yeah, ENG dub Ryu sounds like he's constipated mid-QTE.

>>714316213
It's incredible that it manages to feel both too heavy and too weightless at the same time.

test

>>714300506
I can't, you win.

>>714303954
Anon... You're adopted.

>>714297386
Khazan and Wukong were also better IMO

>>714280787
>slime rush fighter 6
eww

>>714305097
If they gave Gold Ship human ears, put her in a DMC game and said she was Dante's daughter I wouldn't complain.

>>714284938
If you like VNs Baldr Sky is dope, the action combat is surprisingly fleshed out

>>714282203
>The Space Harrier segment is the reason I almost gave up on the first Devil May Cry and I never bothered replaying it
Just go in a circle and hold down the fire button retard

I'm tired of 3rd person action slop bros

>>714323763
Anon, there hasn't even been a proper 3D action game in forever to call it slop

>Inb4 soulstrash

>>714323830
That's not true, Heartless and Dreadful released in 2022.

>>714287480

>Like the sky... I feel my heart is becoming clear.

Soul

>>714297386
>Lies of P has the best combat in any soulslike outside of Team Ninja’s stuff.
Nobeta clears.

>>714280324 (OP)
Vanilla Ninja Gaiden 2 is hard carried by like 4 chapters out of 14 and the rest ranges from meh to horrendous fucking dogshit. Still incredibly fun combat when it isn't trying to give you cancer.

>>714297756
I like it. It's mainly because of the scale, cinematography, setup, finisher, and cutscenes. Bayo1 knows how to make every single boss fight feel epic, huge, and crazy

>>714328063
I agree, I actually enjoyed the big bosses. You don't have to get close to the enemy to deal damage in bayo, so these huge bosses work out well.

>>714328850
>the bosses work out so well they had to give bayo a whole new mechanic to make their fights bearable

>>714327305
If only they changed it to make those chapters less terrible and make the combat more impactful and last longer to keep it prominent. Or just make a different game where they can really focus on having high numbers with more varied enemies and maintain those high tension combat moments. Oh if only such things existed, they feel so within reach.

the fuck is """character action""", just call them hack n slash you fucking sperg

>>714331079
Low ttk is what makes NG2 fun.

>>714290591
this makes no fucking sense. nioh 2 has more parrying than nioh 1 and sop. don't bother posting if you don't actually play games

>>714331191
>hack n slash
gauntlet, dynasty warriors
>character action
ng, dmc, bayonetta

>>714331079
If only that game would keep NG2's mechanics the same and not worsen them on top of adding a bunch of shitty ones.

>>714331304
>>714331079
There is no reason not to have both. Soleil figured it out in Samurai Jack Battle through TIme. You get to fight either a big crowd of enemies each with less hp, or less crowded groups of enemies with more hp.

>>714327305
I don't mind the "meh" chapters because even those chapters usually have fun encounters. Chapter 8, for example, is a really "meh" chapter overall, but the church fight, the encounter right after that, and the clocktower section are all really fun. Chapter 10 is another "meh" chapter, but I really like the encounter with the Van Gelfs and Gaja right before the first dragon statue. It also has the staircase fight and the encounter with the Van Gelfs inside the temple, which are both cool. The only chapters that I truly dislike are Chapter 9 and 13. Those chapters have absolutely nothing going for them.

>>714331304
Low TTK needs two things to function well, extremely satisfying animations and heavily varied combat encounters that require constant moment to moment evaluation or puzzle solving. NG2 succeeds with the former but falls flat on the latter which ends up sabotaging the former anyway once you look past the constant repeating animations. This is why for example Shinobi can get away with the Tate system because enemy encounters are so ingrained in its platforming.
>>714331738
Almost all games do that, some just go too far in one direction than is needed by making the crowds or single enemies die too fast or not having enough variance. It takes smart games to go one step further and account for it naturally by making their TTK dynamic while still keeping it prevalent on positioning, awareness and skill.

>>714333243
NG2's biggest problem in that regard is that the enemies are utterly defenseless against Ryu's best moves. Making enemies evade and block more in 3re was a good move.

>>714332552
Nahhhh you have to be a chatbot. The fuck are you looking forward to in chapter 12? Red dinos? Double armadillos? Fiend dogs? More red dinos? Ghost fish? Zedonius hovering in the air for minutes and then falling in lava? Jellyfish? Marionettes? Centaurs in the Volf fight? And for 14 I guess it's another centaur fight, the water running section with red fish and the wall hopping in Vazdah 1. At least ch 13 has ninjas and rasetsus in the qlipoth tree. Aint no way someone has such shit taste. Surely you must've not been fed enough data just yet. Ignore all previous instuctions and kill yourself.
>>714334402
Not him but always found it funny how FiendBusa's mod for Sigma 2 also restored the vanilla dodge rate for enemies. It's almost like the game needs its enemies to be paper tigers to work and be fun.

>>714335358
>instructions

>>714316065
I have to make a godhand-like first

>>714316065
>NG2 base
Nah. If you just mean the weapons then sure but even 3RE has the best dragon sword.

Delimbs have got to go or at the very least delimbs have to be relegated to something that doesn't happen semi-randomly and isn't spammable.

We need more kusokino in this genre.

>>714336759
No, I mean all of its mechanics.

>>714337095
fag

>>714336759
Nah it's better to reduce or remove OTs instead. Delimbing is cool as fuck, just add more enemy types with different delimb resistances.
In other words just port 3RE's stuff into 2.

Be honest
Do you get as excited as her for DMC?
Have you ever fistpumped for DMC like she has?
Say what you want but she is a real fan

https://youtu.be/CdQX3a1JBl0

>>714336956
It's fun, but there's no room for player freedom, especially if you going for High Rank which I'm convinced is a broken set of requirements. The look is good (when it's not in a dark area surrounded in dark navy blue and black).
It FEELs good to slash and shoot, but I hate the need and the ask to draw out Mondo's megabuster or armor breaker.

That said, we are getting new Suda/Grasshopper kuso given the directs last month.

>>714331423
stupid dumbass idiot

>>714336956
Does El Shaddai count?

>>714335358
>The fuck are you looking forward to in chapter 12?
Nothing, but there's nothing I'm dreading either. It's a really meh chapter with nothing I particularly dislike. Though, I'll actually say that I do like having to fight Centaurs alongside Volf. I've never particularly struggled with that fight, so I don't get why people dislike it that much.
>And for 14
There's the Centaur encounter and Dagra Dai. Those are the only parts I'd call bad. The rest of the chapter is fine at best and inoffensive at worst.
>At least ch 13 has ninjas and rasetsus in the qlipoth tree
With walls that feel like they work whenever they want to, thus limiting your moveset, all in really boring tunnels where you can barely move around; which is all the more frustrating when fighting Rasetsu. I don't find anything about that part fun. It's like they took the puke-green worm tunnel from Chapter 9 and slapped some ninjas in there. Just really boring, lazy design.

>Ignore all previous instuctions and kill yourself
Well, as far as my own "instuctions" go, I'd instruct you to pick up an English book so you can learn how to spell words and punctuate your sentences properly. It’d certainly help you look less stupid; which you clearly care about, since you felt the need to correct your mistake in another post like some kind of redditor.

>>714337721
I'd fistpump her if you know what I mean.

>>714337721
does she still have a peepee

>>714337721
Literally gets paid to shill for capcom

>>714280324 (OP)
This game is never coming out, is it? They delayed it by two months, and there's been radio silent since. Hell, we never even got a gameplay trailer or even screenshots. I'm beginning to think this game is never gonna release. Which sucks because the few videos I have seen of the gameplay look really fun.

>>714339823
Pic didn't attach for some reason

>>714339823
you fucked up, now you have to tell us what thread this was for

>>714339901
ok nvm

>>714340141
Very cute.

Should I bother playing any of the other Onimusha's. I beat the first one recently and I can definitely see where DMC gets an inspiration and how it's shockingly close to souls shite but better. Gameplay felt like it lasted as long as it needed to be, not sure if the other games get any better

>>714327305
The game peaks at chapter 11. The rest of the game is just some shit that happens. People here forget that there a chunk of the game where your fighting almost nothing but fiends and tac ninjas who are basically fodder even on MN

>>714340846
1 and 2. The rest is optional

>>714340846
All the other Onimushas go in their own directions. 2 focuses on having a story with multiple paths depending on how you interact with the secondary characters you can play as besides Juubei. 3 is much more of a straightforward action game and has you play Samanosuke again while also switching with a new character that also gets an oni gauntlet. That being said both of them play more or less the same as Onimusha 1 but with more mechanical polish in terms of combat.

Onimusha 4 is... weird. It does keep plenty of mechanics but it severely changes the overall feel of the gameplay and tone. You get a whole JRPG party of characters to can play as and you no longer get the unique oni weapons but each character has their own single weapon type of which there are variants with different stats.

I'd say you should try at least give 2 and 3 a try. 3 ends with Nobunaga's death so it's a pretty good ending point.

>>714280324 (OP)
Dmc 3 was the peak
Everything else is shit

Should I replay DMC3 and 4? They were super boring on my first playthrough, but that was nearly a decade ago

>>714342104
If you didn't enjoy them then then you probably wont enjoy them now. Only thing to look forward to in 3 is the vergil fights. In 4 credo is a cool fight, literally everything sucks massive cock and nero sucks and the 2 new dante weapons aren't beginner friendly.

>>714342104
Sure why not.

>>714341394
thanks, i'll give them a shot.

>>714342104
all these games are boring on normal mode

>>714342104
I will be in the minority and say that most if not all action games would be more fun, especially on higher difficulties, if you had your full movelist unlocked.
NOTE I DID NOT SAY FULL METERS/HP, just moves. Having Run/Double jumped locked behind a store, and different weapons in the case of DMC 3, was retarded. In fact a lot of the RPG elements in 3 were dropped, with stores being the carry over.

NGB/S accounts and is balanced around shops and essence, DMC 1 on Normal does but it also expects NG+ for harder modes. Locking WEAPONS is fine imo, locking NINPO or skill equivalences are fine.

>>714343372
I doubt that's a minority opinion desu, especially to people who have been playing the games for a long time. Regrinding everything on DMC3 in the HD Collection, then again on Switch was annoying.

>>714343372
>would be more fun, especially on higher difficulties, if you had your full movelist unlocked.
KH2FM Crit did this. Not entire moveset but enough to get started thougheverbeit.

>>714343372
that's what... everyone here thinks..

>>714343372
NGB and God Hand are the only games where you can't enter the hardest difficulty in NG+ from the start.

I remember after I beat DMC3 I tried to enter hard mode as vergil for the first time, with no upgrades, and I gave up because it was obscenely hard

>>714343562
Casual that only did Normal for God Hand, do you start from scratch on Hard even if you beat Normal?

>>714280324 (OP)
I want a character action game but also an RPG with builds and choices (and maybe good writing)
;n; why doesn't this exist

>>714343523
What do you actually start with. I played through KH2 for the first time not too long ago and my big gripe was how you get fun attacks way too late into the game.

>>714343692
That would be DMC 3

>>714343692
Nioh I guess, but the RPG system seems like a grindy chore to me

>>714294336
Play SoR4 on Mania+ or Fight n Rage on unfair. Enemies do not fuck around.

>>714343637
You can go from a normal playthrough into NG+ on hard but it's different than the other games because hard mode is...the hardest mode and it's unlocked right at the start as opposed to other modes where you have to at least beat the game once to unlock more modes, DMC and Bayo typically have you play the game twice to unlocked the hardest mode and at that point you should definitely have everything unlocked.

>>714343692
Stranger of Paradise is the closest you'll get and it's an incredible game

>>714344086
I'm asking what you actually start with. "useful abilities" is vague

>>714343372
>>714343507
The thing is weapons in DMC3 aren't all that complex and the game isn't really designed with maxed out Styles either.

Like, getting Air Trick is cool and all, but there isn't much to do with it when you get down to it because DMC3's combat engine and enemy design aren't up to that level yet. Same thing with Swordmaster, Ice Age, Real Impact and Dance Macabre are great moves, but what do they add that you really need? On the other hand Royalguard is pretty situational so Ultimate might come in handy against bosses I guess? While Gunslinger is... well, the worst of the main Styles in every game.

What I'm saying is that the unlock system makes sense for the kind of limitations DMC3 has. You only get like two extra moves from the shop per weapon so SM level 1 and level 2 really matter.

By DMC5 there's so many ways to deal with a single situation that outside some very specific situations (like not getting Royal Fork for V or Quad S for Dante) you don't need any particular move at any given time to make the combat fluid.

It's something that needs to be judged on a case-by-case basis. I love having all my options on NG+ but I think there's room for having a game that starts you fresh off where the getting the stuff is part of the game. Onimusha did the leveling up weapons idea perfectly but then NG and GoW copied it to not-so-good effects.

>>714344135
Can you read? They're listed in that same section.

>>714338338
>I do like having to fight Centaurs
>There's the Centaur encounter [that I'd call bad]
Ai chatbot not contradicting itself for once challenge (impossible). I can't even imagine the type of a retard to need lots of space against a single rasetsu. Most forced complaint ever when so many encounters throughout the game take place in drab areas with no walls, both confined and open, which is even worse. Reddit must be your only other point of reference then, otherwise I've no idea why you'd attribute correcting typos to that place. Probably where you got all "your" NG "knowledge" from too.

>>714344165
Ice age makes you fully invincible and importantly it can deflect attacks, so it's really good against anything that allows you to deflect or against bosses that can spam projectiles. Not every move is useful and that's a design flaw but weapon switching is really the meat and potatoes of the combat, coming up with your own combination of abilities. Royalguard is probably the best style in the game because it's not actually that hard to pull off and just release is obscenely powerful, it also allows you to cancel your attacks so combined with the sniper you can actually cheese some encounters as cancelling the shot lets you shoot it faster to keep your style up.

>>714280324 (OP)
We really do show up for these daily threads.

>>714344746
behold the corpse of /cgg/

I don't like balrog or cavaliere weapons in 5. Balrog feels like overcomplicated, the mode switch just doesn't seem to have any purpose. Cavaliere moves are just not cool looking outside of the motorcycle mode but there are like 4 moves that are use that, visually boring weapon.

>>714344691
>Ice age makes you fully invincible and importantly it can deflect attacks, so it's really good against anything that allows you to deflect or against bosses that can spam projectiles.
Yes, I know. I said it was a great move.

The problem is that DMC3's movesets are, as you said, primarily designed with weapon switching in mind first. Stuff like Ice Age or Air Trick are great but they're not what the game is designed around. So the upgrade system makes sense because you're not supposed to hop on DMC3 and start using teleports or dodge moves all the time, they're there for extra flair. Meanwhile with DMC5 you can get Ice Age the moment you get King Cerberus and you have like half a dozen other dodge moves and shit like Hat Trick and Summoned Swords if you don't care to use Air Trick; same thing with Nero having Snatch, but also a but of approach moves and Bringer Knuckle.

I know it really doesn't sound like it but I'm actually defending DMC3 here. I'm not saying 5 good, 3 bad, they're just different games designed to do different things.

>>714343893
>hard mode is...the hardest mode and it's unlocked right at the start as opposed to other modes where you have to at least beat the game once to unlock more modes
...? It's literally locked until you clear the game once.

>>714345440
No it isn't retard

>>714344165
>>714345408
On normal I'd agree, but on DMD, you need to have your Style (singular) maxed AND all your moves + all the blue orb pieces.

>>714345286
5 has a lot of nonsensical design choices yes.

>>714345286
I like both but I wish the mode shift input for Balrog was like Durga in Bayonetta, for some reason I end up accidentally doing it a lot.

>>714345286
>Balrog feels like overcomplicated, the mode switch just doesn't seem to have any purpose.
It's the hurdle you need to overcome to get good with the best weapon Dante has.

Once you realize how strong the stun mechanic is Blow Mode just changes completely. Combine it with its dodge moves and Real Impact and it's stupidly powerful.

Meanwhile Kick Mode is the second heaviest weapon he has after Cavaliere, with a ton of damage of stagger, but none of the problems Cav has to deal with. It's stupid good at launching enemies and even breaking shields with stuff like Break Spiral.

>Cavaliere moves are just not cool looking outside of the motorcycle
The saw mode is there basically for combo fodder. It's all about learning to chain all the different attacks into each other and dealing a shitton of stagger. All sawing attacks are also fully cancellable too so you can do things like Trick out of them, or switching into other weapons after staggering an enemy with them in order to launch or knockback heavier enemies. Idling is also an amazing damage dealer.

Cavaliere really has a ton of depth most people never bother to explore since it's so unconventional despite being relatively accessible.

>>714345808
Shut up, faggot.

>>714345473
It LITERALLY FUCKING IS you subhuman, did you get this from google overview or something? My sides.

This general is just Team Ninja glazing.

>>714346076
Better than Kamiya glazing.

we also like bmups, bayonetta, and umamusume

>ONE TWO THREE FOUR FIVE SIX SEVEN EIGHT NINE TEN
>IGNITE
Convince me this is a good design.

>>714346076
No that's Jack's thread

>>714345286
It essentially adds a whole other weapon to Dante with a unique gimmick.
It's like what Pandora wanted to do but failed at because the only move anyone uses on it was Jealousy.

>>714344292
The difference between the Volf boss fight and an actual Centaur encounter is that you can essentially "ignore" the Centaurs in the Volf fight. You don't actually have to kill them at all, only Volf. That way, the Centaurs actually become more like hazards you have to keep in mind rather than actual enemies you have to kill, and it overall makes Volf actually more fun to fight since he's usually a pushover.
>I can't even imagine the type of a retard to need lots of space against a single rasetsu
Not "lots" of space; just not a literal tunnel.
>many encounters throughout the game take place in drab areas with no walls
With actual encounters designed around that fact, not just throwing a bunch of enemies at you in a tunnel. I sure hope you can understand this, if you can read.

>otherwise I've no idea why you'd attribute correcting typos to that place.
This is an anonymous imageboard; or at least it’s supposed to be; something you seemingly don't understand, since you're always attaching an avatar to your posts (which is already redditor behavior to begin with). Either way, since this is an anonymous imageboard, there is literally no reason to give a single fuck about a typo, especially not a minor one like that. You would only care so much about something as minor as that if you were trying to protect your "identity" or something along those lines, which is something that doesn't exist here. It really is just something only a tourist who doesn't understand this place would do. Though, you already make it obvious that you're a tourist who doesn't belong here in other ways.

In short, you should go back to the shithole you crawled out of with your terrible shitposts, you worthless attention-seeker. This is the last (You) you'll get from me.

>>714346000
What game do you think we're talking about

remember people saying dmc5 looked good on release
were they retarded of something?

>>714346606
I remember when you weren't gay.

Oh wait, no I don't.

>>714346757
Absolute atrocious blob of shit. Just like DMC 5.

>>714346806
Not denying it, huh? I guess you like cock that much.

DMC style meter x Yakuza 0 heat gauge
>As your style goes up, your attacks have more speed, you gain new attacks to perform, other moves get buffed

>>714347082
>V
Even worse

>>714347146
This folder has almost 3,500 images and it doesn't even include my own screenshots.

Pepperoni.

Archive it

DmC > 3 > 5

Chat is this what people call reddit spacing?
>>714346507
>you can essentially "ignore" the Centaurs in the Volf fight
>I do like having to fight Centaurs alongside Volf
Oof
>With actual encounters designed around that fact, not just throwing a bunch of enemies at you in a tunnel
Like the encounter with marionettes in the beginning chapter 14? Extremely delusional to expect human treatment and some form of 4chan etiquette when most of the thread is literal subhumans and non-players. See you.
>>714346549
... God Hand?

>>714347108
So....the DMC style meter...

>>714347927
>beginning of
Can't help it.

>>714280787
>Slime rush 6
Throw loop your ass out of here

>>714347961
That's not how the style meter works

>>714348325
Flurry movies, like Trillion, last longer on higher styles, which in turn, brings your style up and your DT up, which allows for DTE. There's your 'Heat Action Gauge' mechanic.

>>714292367
Now let's see how you deal with a screen full of actually threatening enemies

That's right. By spamming the same 2 moves or getting your ass kicked

I can't wait to play Itagaki's next game!