Happy 25th to FF9!

https://youtu.be/oFDDlEaUXxw?si=ePTYEIS-8GTN2Y_p

tinkle tinkle tinkle

>>714680270 (OP)
>show cool artworks of every party member near the end
>delete everyone but Zidane, Garnet and Vivi a second later
What did SE mean by this?

Always been my favorite.

Best game of all time

>>714680553
What if they revert back to 3 Party Members max in a hypothetical remake?

FF7 and FF8 had only 3 party members max

Here before the Rat Lover furries show up

>>714680553
The 3 chars is the main logo they're using for this 25th anniversary campaign. They're the 3 main characters anyway.

I always liked Quina

>>714681242
but what if they revert back to 4man parties like FF1,2,3,5,6,14?
or even 5man like FF4, and FFT?!

>>714680553
They should have left Steiner in too.

>>714681565
they just get the most screen time. all the protagonists deal with the same existential crisis in different ways and their contribution to the overall narrative is substantial even if bit sidelined and underdeveloped. like even amarant has a character but it's just "what if no one cares kek"

>>714681242
That would be terrible and I can't see why they'd ever do that.

Zidane, Garnet, Vivi and Steiner are THE party.

I loved how steiner and vivi had tag team spellsword attacks, could never run them without each other

Anyone else grab any merch from the SE store? I grabbed the mouse pad and the music box, but man... the shipping is so damn expensive.

>>714680270 (OP)
I like FF9 but everything after halfway through Disc 3 it kinda falls off, like the latter part of Dark Souls, its just not nearly as good if you know what I mean.

>>714682250
>melodies of life
lame, should have just been roses of may

>>714680270 (OP)
We aren't going to get a remake of Final Fantasy IX. The game never sold that great and has a reputation for being a dismissed entry in this franchise.

Final Fantasy 8 and 10 have a higher chance of getting remade. Hell the first Kingdom Hearts has a good chance of being remade as well.

Final Fantasy 9 is a sloppy game and I still hate how Freya never got revenge on that Mary Sue cunt Beatrix. What a shit story.

where is my remake with atb based real time combat

>>714682506
That song is good too but you can't go wrong with the main letmotif

There's going to be a music live stream in 11 hours if you got the time to check it out.
https://www.youtube.com/live/t9anxetj3Qg

this song still brings me right back to being a kid again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuIDm3Fl6VI

>>714680270 (OP)
All PS1 Final Fantasy games were trash, I don't care your first was 7 8 or 9, wake up from your nostalgia.

Final Fantasy is about beautiful music/visuals/places/monsters, therefore FF VII, IX, and XIII are the best FFs

8 > 9 > 10 > 12 > 3 > 7 > 1 > 6 > 13 > 4 > 2 > 16 > 15

>>714681304
>"This guy"
Do people not like Amarant?

>>714682250
tempted to grab that other mouse pad with the Tantalus crew on it but might wait and see what else is in the pipeline, anniversary celebration seemingly goes on for some months

So uhh...where's the remake?

>>714682989
He's meant to be the rogue edgy guy but the art style makes him look terrible. Amarant is like a failure version of Vincent or Setzer. And it doesn't help Amarant that his abilities are shoddy either, Amarant is the only character whose ultimate attack does not do maximum damage. And again Vincent and Setzer are also terrible gameplay wise but at least they look cool. Amarant fails in design and gameplay.

>>714682532
>We aren't going to get a remake of Final Fantasy IX.

Good. I love FF IX and wouldn´t want SE doing to it what it did to VII.

>>714683140
Hope that it happens and that is terrible so you stop asking for more remakes. Even better if it bankrupts Square Enix.

>>714683326
>SE doing to it what it did to VII
the alternate timeline fuckery big budget moviegame I could barely accept
but turning VII into a mobile gacha was the final straw
literally just fuck squeenix

>>714683576
>turning VII into a mobile gacha was the final straw
literally, just don't play that version, it's like people complaining there is the option to add toppings to your icecream

>>714683140
In development.
FF7R was first announced on 2015, but it was probably in development for X years before that.
Same deal here.

>>714683576
What bothered me most is the changes in the story to have a multiverse and dividing the game into three separate releases each being sold at full price. Square Enix does not realize how many people they have made angry by doing that.

Even the most fanatical fanboys don't respect that kind of bullshit scam. Hope the final part of Final Fantasy 7 Remake sells like shit. And I hear Square Enix is open to doing other Final Fantasy 7 projects like maybe remaking Dirge of Cerberus. I hope anything they do leads to loss of money and failure. They really need to die and be eaten by Konami.

>>714683272
just save all wing edges and throw them at necron

Square Enix, the FF7R team, has no business making a remake.
They did not make the original. They have nothing to do with this game.

Sakaguichi with his Hawaii team made FF9. The Japan office, Kitase, Nomura - NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. It's not their game to remake. They are the poison that killed ther series. Give it back to the man.

FF9 doesn't need a remake. It's already got Memoria and Moguri.

>>714680270 (OP)
Looks like the remake might have been cancelled
>As of last check it remains in development, to my knowledge; but I need to a do a fresh check & see what a more current status is -- as I did hear a month or so ago that it was in trouble & possibly cancelled. I only had one source on the cancellation possibility and need to verify the info further.

>>714682989
I think most people are indifferent to baffled. He shows up like after 75% into the game, has no character development, and barely is character to begin with.

>>714680270 (OP)
>No remake butchery
Thank god, good anniversary.

>>714684915
Zidane fucked up his life, but he meets him again and he seems like a good guy on the right side, he's confused, struggles to reconcile with that, their differences, and with where to go from there. Eventually grows to understand and forgives.
I don't think you paid attention, play it again.

>>714681056
Oh no, the pickle's in a princess!

I will NOT be funding the rape of my favorite FF game by people who had nothing to do with it and are just cannibalizing any and everything they have left to squeeze some money out of them for their jewish financiers before going under. Fuck Square and fuck each and every one of you.

>>714686417
what if it is turnbased

>>714686003
I like Amarant's general style of development since he doesn't really change as a person, his outlook just changes. Plus in spite of not being the guy that likes teaming up, half his abilities are ones that support party members, and some smaller interactions show he does have a soft spot. It sets him up for the end where he's starting to work together with Lani. It's not a particularly impressive plotline for a character, but it's there.

>>714686003
niqqa actually went to bet for Amarant LMFAO

>>714680270 (OP)
Happy Birthday my childhood friends.
>You're all a bunch of bastards, but I'm the biggest bastard of you all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha6iWPqrJeE&list=RDHa6iWPqrJeE&start_radio=1

>>714682802
Vivi is adorable

>>714684490
>Square Enix, the FF7R team, has no business making a remake
It would be the CS3 team which makes them even less qualified, look what they've turned FF14 into and when given their chance to make a mainline ff game with FF16 it was an action game, single character, no party system, barely an FF game.

I completely agree with you though, current Square Enix don't have the talent to remake ff9 and shouldn't touch it. Without the Gooch then I don't want to hear about it.

>>714687397
God I love the synth dulcimer

>>714682250
>real fucking hat
>two hundred bucks
hello usurists I'm very vulnerable to being taken advantage of right now

>>714682740
The female genome being completely emotionless until Zidane calls her his sister and then she blushes and stutters and shows her first real emotions was too cute

Melodies of life is the original with the altered lyrics for the game is being shown off at some museum I forget where, it's on SE's social media, somewhere in Japan anyway.

>>714682250
I'm never buying merch from SE again, I'll buy from an etsy type seller at least then I know it's something made with passion and a love for the game.

>>714687397
Utmost ludokinoplex

>>714688058
>I'll buy from an etsy type seller at least then I know it's something made with passion and a love

It's got flaws like bad pacing, impossible secrets and an ugly MC but it truly was the last good jrpg made by Square.

>>714687861
>Polyester, polyurethane, cotton, synthetic leather
not even real leather

>>714688239
You think SE care about FF9? Come on now.

>>714688314
>implying that's what i meant

>>714688314
I assume he's saying it's all dropshipped alibaba crap

>>714688258
It's one of those games where you need to replay, play it completely blind first and yes you will miss a lot of stuff but then on your second playthrough play with a walkthrough. There are somethings that are a bit esoteric and hard to figure out like Chocobo paradise.

>Garnet makes a stupid mistake by running back to her mother
>instead of just letting it slide, the game repeatedly rubs it in, she is forced to look as her eidolons raze half the continent, annihilate several countries, rape Lindblum and then destroy Alexandria together with Alexander, all because of that single stupid fuckup
>goes mute for a disc, gets even more trauma on Terra
She is quite an underrated character. Typically female leads doing stupid shit in JRPGs is never punished narratively. She eats so much shit, Zidane is basically her only reason for living by the end.

>>714688403
Which to me is more care than what SE shows FF9. Those bastards are never getting a penny from me again after what they did to ff7r.

>>714687669
Cs3 was said to work on 2 games and those turned out to be Fantasian and Tactics so it’s not them
No idea on who is/was doing FF9, no one seems to dare give details on this project

Vivi's death was nothing but a bad and cheap attempt to be sad. He should live in the remake

>>714688770
No, if there's one character whose death was well foreshadowed, it's Vivi.

>>714688542
>solving that fuck ass walking puzzle to find out her real name
FF9 exploration was it's strong suit, I actually enjoyed the Chocobo sections this time around.

My favorite FFIX fan art.

>>714688970
It actually felt like a true adventure thanks to chocobo maps in particular, it gave meaning to otherwise empty map segments. Overworld map theme also had that insanely atmospheric, calming tone to it.
FF9 is the best adventurefag JRPG after Grandia 1.

Why don't the Moguri dudes re-upscale everything with the modern tech? AI upscaling has changed immensely in the last years.

>>714688770
>Vivi's death was nothing but a bad and cheap attempt to be sad
You missed the point. Vivi death was was a thing because he had a very limited life span.

>>714688770
He dies after having been successful and boinking the fat whore for days, relax

Why are people so convinced this will be remade?

>>714689034
>Eiko in love with Zidane
>Garnet infatuated with her future husband Zidane
>Zidane ignoring both and talking to Vivi
This is why Zidane is the best MC, even though he does love Garnet and tries multiple times to catch her attention, he'll always have time for his piss bro.

>>714689462
Square was talking about remaking it since the PS2 days.

How did Vivi reproduce anyways?

>>714689462
Leaked from two databases which have been 100% correct so far when it comes to Square Enix listed titles.

>>714688542
the slav blog schizo is not going to like this post

>>714689034
>Beatrix chilling next to the woman whose race she helped almost wipe out

>>714689462
literally had pre-order bonuses leaked when FF16 was coming to PC

>>714689709
How did they create more Black Mages if the fog was gone?

>>714689709
Magic.

>>714690046
Beatrix kills exactly 0 rats onscreen btw

>>714690008
I'm a slav too and i interacted with Tsilyurik back when he was posting on igromania forum (pretending to be a girl for lulz) and i think his criticism for 9 is completely butt fucking retarded.

>>714690046
She put rat poison in the beer.

>>714689709
He plapped Zidane's sister.

>>714689709
big black mage cock

>>714683843
well but FFIX remake isn't even announced
If they didn't even anoounce at this summer events or this anniversay, then when?

>>714690046
Beatrix treatment is one of my major gripes with 9's story. She went on a fucking genocide and it's never actually acknowledged as such

>>714688970
Sarah

>>714690668
either one of the events coming up soon or TGA, since it would be 9 months after they made the anniversary site public

>>714680270 (OP)
>happy birth day ix
>posts kingdom sharts in le ebin pixel ps1 style
have my updoot friend

>>714690697
It’s ok she has nice boobs

>>714683140
Saar we are working very hard sir please understand and do the needful preorder sir we love final fantasy sir

>>714690185
>"I personally didn't swing my sword at your people, I just gave the order to my soldiers to cut them down at Cleyra"

>” The Ultima Weapon is Zidane's ultimate weapon in Final Fantasy IX, being his strongest thief sword. It has innate Sleep status, used with Zidane's Soul Blade skill. Ultima Weapon is obtained in the endgame by using a Dead Pepper at the secret diving spot at where Shimmering Island used to be. However, the spot is not indicated by surfacing bubbles like with the other underwater treasures.”

I hate how Zidane’s Ultimate Weapon is so tucked away and takes a lot of time and patience to obtain

Meanwhile in FF7 all you have to do is beat Ultima Weapon for Cloud, in FF8 you can get Squalls Lionheart as early as disc one (just for funsies) if you play your CARDS right and have to right ability skills when doing the Laguna flashbacks

Best music in the series

>>714684490
>Sakaguichi with his Hawaii team made FF9

Huh so that explains the Ukulele instrument for FF9’s Chocobo Theme, I wonder if Sakaguchi heard of Lilo & Stitch and is a fan

https://youtu.be/2oLykyWuiB4

>>714690185
Don't respond to a troon, the people still crying about Beatrix I've found are transsexuals. They hate Beatrix because of her massive strength, her unmatched combat prowess, her erection inducing beauty and her massive tits.
All the places I've seen that had people hating on Beatrix over the years, it was mainly from those failed men.

>>714690986
>he let the whopping 8 alexandrian soldiers present kill anyone in Cleyra

>>714684490
>>714691346
Didn't he only build the Hawaiian studio to make the FF movie?

>>714690697
>>714690046
My bigger issue with Beatrix is that we never get to beat her. It makes no sense. If she's really this godlike entity that can effortlessly defeat us, why did we save the world and not her? Why didn't we just let her solo the final boss? I hate that garbage.

>>714691542
>My bigger issue with Beatrix is that we never get to beat her
You can in FFXIV

>>714691414
Beatrix is a monster who taunts her victims, but the game had the audacity to paint her as a woman of conscience, who turned against the queen before even Steiner. You're forced to lose to her like three times, and the game never lets you get revenge. And despite razing Burmecia and Cleyra, she never is once punished in any way.

>>714691542
Garnet regains her power is why

>>714691059
eh, Ultima Weapon is ass. Soul Blade Masamune is broken.

I played the entire game and never realised you could get a chocobo...

>>714691346
It influenced the a lot of the vibe of the game from what I understand. They also have the Hawaii equipment set with aloha t-shirt, sandals etc

>>714684490
anon Itahana and Ito are both still at SE, gooch wrote the script but I doubt he'd have issues if it was being touched up by the only competent in-house writer at SE who has mysteriously been very busy since XIV 5.0

>>714691728
Don't care, would suck on her tits until the end of time. Steiner is a lucky bastard.

It's probably canceled

>>714691728
Apparently her attitude is a localization thing and in the orignal Japanese version she's way more polite and well spoken.

Fuck this mini game

>>714691936
she's literally just fem-Cecil in JP, she literally only loses to herself actually having a change of heart

>>714691346
>Huh so that explains the Ukulele instrument for FF9’s Chocobo Theme, I wonder if Sakaguchi heard of Lilo & Stitch and is a fan
>FF9: 2000
>Lilo and Stitch: 2002

>>714691542
It becomes even stupider when you realize that trance Zidane is canonically the strongest member of the cast

>>714691910
Leave it to Square to ignite a fire in the fanbase by doing this anniversary on this scale while knowing the game has leaked out and then cancelling it

>>714691542
>If she's really this godlike entity that can effortlessly defeat us, why did we save the world and not her?

She's too busty- I mean too busy

>>714691542
>*instantly drops your party HP to 1*
hmm IF ONLY I HAD A BLUE MAGE IN MY PARTY RIGHT NOW TO TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THAT

>>714691707
THAT GAME IS A STAIN ON THE FRANCHISE FUCK REET OFF

>refuses to die in your path

>>714693543
>owns himself
Funniest shit ever

>>714683140
In the heads of delusional manchildren, and nowhere else.

Remakes are for money-makers, not flops

>>714694136
That graph is very old, ff9 has sold 8.9million copies now. That graph is only showing 5.9.

>>714680331
FPBP

>>714694136
>Nier Automata is going to outsell the vast majority of FF titles soon

>>714694136
… this -has- to count digital, which is a farce

>>714690849
SE has never done Kojima-level fuckery like that though. They announce FF games 10 years before they even start development.

>>714691542
Beatrix is all bark and bite

>>714690948
>le ebin pixel ps1 style
...that's what KH2 actually looks like, on the PS2. Has your brain been fried by looking at 8x upscaled emulators for too long?

>>714692126
All the minigames suck

>>714694732
Chocobo Hot and Cold is perhaps the best minigame in the franchise.

>>714694136

>>714694136
FF7 was lightning in a bottle

How will they homo it up? Kinda hard, with everyone already being some weird non-human freak

>>714694549
What do you mean they haven't done Kojima-level fuckery like that? Do you mean announce a game and then don't release it for years?

>>714682989
Final party member should have been beatrix. Could actually give freya something to talk about who noticeably stops talking after 50% into the game
Steiner scenes
Garnet scene
Amarant literally just exists, and you can justify it however you want but is single story moment is going “ugh i don’t need you guys”. Literally 2 mins later “HELP GUYS” “hey guess i do need you guys”

>>714694248
The proportions remain the same. Unless you think FF9 is the only game in the series that has sold more copies since then.

>>714694732
I like the skipping rope game and impress 100 nobles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD3oTV8cEJQ

Also as much shit as it gets I do like the Triple triad.

>>714694853
7 number wrong too, confirmed is 14.4m

>>714694549
XVI was announced and released 3 years later, I wouldn't be surprised if FFIX remake gets announced with a release date of next year

>>714694793
That would be Blitzball, nerd.

>>714695031
I'm saying to you it's old and needs updating. I don't know if what you're saying is true that the proportions would remain the same considering the popularity of some of the games have increased over the years while others have waned. It needs an update is all, Anon it's not an attack on you.

>>714694994
>“ugh i don’t need you guys”. Literally 2 mins later “HELP GUYS” “hey guess i do need you guys”

Based.

>>714680270 (OP)
>AI upscaled cutscene video

>>714680270 (OP)
what's the best way to play? wait for the alleged remake or just do PC+ Moguri?

>>714695031
I don't think XII, XIII or XV especially pushed many more copies than that and the first six games should have ballooned sales because of the PRs

>>714695237
>The Flaming Amarant
For the longest time I thought he was wearing a hat

Great game.

Still pissed about Garnet cutting her hair though.

It's abundantly clear FF IX Remake ran into the exact same situation as FF VII Remake, initially being outsourced (at the time of the nVidia leak) and then development scrapped and restarted in-house because the quality was too low.

I do wonder if they're going to announce it any time soon. The moment seems right of course, there's the 25th anniversary, there's the FF XIV expansion full of memberberries. But if they completely restarted development after a dev hell they just might not be done for years yet.

>>714694994
Freya has a bunch of ATEs with Amarant specifically

>>714695319
Play the original or you didn't play it at all.

What's funny is SE still sold physical PS1 copies in their online store up until like 2015. I got another copy of FF Origins instead.

>>714681056
I wish typo did less cuck stuff.

>>714695319
PC+moguri. Alleged remake is still up in the air. It might not come for years still or might get cancelled because SE could do that too. And even if it were coming, it could be no good.

>>714695494

>>714695473
It's pretty clear they were meant to be a couple after Fratley fucked off. The whole last third of the game was rushed as fuck, as is typical of FF games. The only FF that seemed to keep an even pace and coherent plot from start to end is 10.

>>714695435
I thought he and professor Tot were both bird people

>>714695460
>It's abundantly clear FF IX Remake ran into the exact same situation as FF VII Remake
I've seen this rumor too but truly what the fuck is wrong with their management to pull that nonsense twice in a row
If it didn't work for them with 7 what made them think it would with 9

>>714694664
The point is fuck kingdom hearts

>>714695850
It worked for RS2

>>714695850
>>714695460
I think it's more likely that they had a functional remake akin to RS2's considering the Xeen mentions in rumors but they wanted to add more to it and took development internally. If Ito's involved I image there could be a huge revamp of the combat he'd want to do considering he's never dropped atb

>>714695850
Out of touch Japanese suits want to save labor costs. While at the same time investing heavily in what they think is going to be some massive international 20 million sales hit like Forspoken.
It's just insanity and incompetence alla round at Square Enix.

Keep in mind that they've had Hiroyuki Ito (IX's director and father of the ATB system) stuck in a cubicle doing nothing for 20+ years.

>all the original artists are gone
>zoomie masters degree can’t fucking write a complete sentence

Just don’t mail them a bomb guys

>>714695664
>The only FF that seemed to keep an even pace and coherent plot from start to end is 10.
12 and Tactics

Why did they go from the more grimdark/realistic stories of ff6-8 to ff9's tone, is the game good? I feel like it's talked much elss than ff7/8/10

They should ditch the weird Muppet proportions

>>714696112
ito put out dungeon encounters a few years back

>>714696141
Hey, I'm right there with you not wanting a remake. It's not FF9 without Umetsu's music Sakaguchi's vision Hiroyuki Ito as Director.

>>714683140
In hell. You really want cutesy anime bullshit in FF9 like that dogshit remake of 7? You really want fucking anime-dub voice acting? you fool. you stooge.

>>714696227

They wanted 9 to be a lighter throwback to the early NES entries. Theres a rumor 9 was meant to be the first in a spinoff series that would have all been like 9, while the main series kept getting more serious, but no one's sure.

>>714696183
Are you serious? XII is famous for having its last third unfinished and empty of anything worthwhile to the plot or story since that's when Matsuno abandoned it and his protege had to come stitch together the scraps and rush it out the door since they were already delayed too long.

>>714696314
They brought Uematsu back to re-record Melodies of Life at the very least so he has some involvement

>>714696141
Itahana's still there, Ito's still there. CS3 has enough of a working rep with Sakaguchi to bring him back in for a IX Remake. Same with Uematsu.

The ones they're missing are the SE USA artists like Jake Rowell from the studio that also worked on Spirits Within in the same timeframe.
Of all the things I'm worried for in a remake, it's the translation of the backgrounds to modern graphics.

>>714696227
8 is talked in the context of how fucking unfinished it is most of the time
But despite cartoony visuals and cute humour 9 has probably one of the bleakest stories in the franchise given the sheer body count and themes of the game

>>714696282
A game that had no budget whatsoever allocated to it.

>>714681056

>>714696701
Wtf the fuck is this shit? Get it outta here.

>>714696227
FF IX fits that unfortunate 2000-2005 generational slot along with stuff like LoZ: Wind Waker, where there was a huge push towards realism and anything stylized was lambasted as "kiddie stuff".

where's the remake with action combat, realistic graphics and ruined iconic story moments

>>714696227
>go from grimdark/realistic stories
anon if anything FF8 is the outlier of those 4 titles, least onscreen deaths and no dead party members

>>714696878
I wouldn't even mind a game focused Zidane if they take his duodecim mechanics and improve them.

>>714690046
shhhhh you're not supposed to acknowledge that the story goes to shit after the 1st disc. FF9 best FF

>>714680270 (OP)
>>714684789
>>714685467
Reminder it's 3am in Japan right now. The remake will be announced later in the day there

>>714691217
its 8 and its not even close desu

>>714697151
>But for now:

>>714696227
I believe after FF7 the team was split with Sakaguichi making FF9 and Nomura making FF8

>>714695049
someone post that dwarf reaction gif. Possibly my favorite reaction gif ever

>>714697262
Nomura was not involved with FF8 beyond character design/visuals and giving Nojima some advice, he didn't direct or write anything until KH
Kitase is the person you're thinking of

>>714696540
>Of all the things I'm worried for in a remake, it's the translation of the backgrounds to modern graphics.
Pillars of Eternity had the same style of backgrounds and they were fucking incredible despite how shit the game was otherwise, it's always an issue of dedication and good artists or even a grasp of ai at this point.
Which means Square will fumble this project guaranteed.

>>714697262
Kitase did VIII and then moved on to X, Nomura still provided character designs but went to work on KH around those years

>>714697262
>dat pic
I was there 30 mins ago hahaha

>>714697262
>Nomura making FF8

>Director(s) Yoshinori Kitase
>Producer(s) Shinji Hashimoto
>Designer(s) Hiroyuki Ito
>Programmer(s) Ken Narita
>Artist(s) Yusuke Naora, Tetsuya Nomura
>Writer(s) Kazushige Nojima
>Composer(s) Nobuo Uematsu

Why do you niggers always think the guy who draws pictures is running the show? Games are not manga. Nomura had exactly as much involvement with 8 as he did with 6

>>714697262
Is Nomura the only name you retards know? He didn't make FF8

>>714697448
>>714697486
>>714697612
You're right, it was Kitase

>remake begging
I'm tired, boss...

>>714697486
Why can't they make PS1 esque games like this with pre-rendered backgrounds like this just HD?

>>714697612
>Nomura had exactly as much involvement with 8 as he did with 6
Potentially even less desu, in 6 he still got to write 2 characters in Shadow and Setzer

>>714697728
No one is forcing you to buy it.

>>714697860
They just can't

>>714697612
>>714697946
>Nomura had exactly as much involvement with 8 as he did with 6
It's no wonder FF8's story and combat system was so shit.

>>714691414
You just know they're changing her outfit along with the Alexandria guards.

>>714697860
Well you would have to have artists, and a lot of them. These are in short supply.

And before you say AI, AI cannot replace actual creativity, since a real company would be sued for using someone else's assets in a model, and if you have artists to make original assets, there would be no need for AI in the first place.

>>714696701
>>714695494
>>714691414
>>714681056

Based porn addict incels, then you guys wonder why you have no gf and will never experience love or have sex.

>>714698090
>Alexandria guards
Hey here's a bunch of hot girls in leotards. Now fucking kill them.

>>714697612
To be fair, back in the 90's those positions weren't as clear cut as they are nowadays.
If you read some interviews with Nomura, Kitase and Nojima, it's clear there was a lot of back and forth between them concerning the story, big setpieces and moments etc.

Nomura and Nojima's working relationship remained like that throughout the years.

>>714691872
Their romance was very rushed. Steiner went from being jealous of her to suddenly being in love with her on Disc 3.

Thoughts on Freya?

>>714698083
FF hasn't had a "good" combat system until X, arguably X-2. It was always just barebones and serviceable. The only interesting parts were the skill systems like Materia or Junctioning, but those changed very little about the battles themselves. Not to mention encounter design has always been boring as fuck.

>>714691936
I wonder why only FF7 gets the bad rep of a bad translation when both 8 and 9 localizations butchered the original script just as much.

>>714697860
Ask Obsidian they were the last one making pre rendered backgrounds for Pillars of Eternity

>>714698315
Junctioning was shit.

>>714698314

Cute rat

>>714680270 (OP)
isn't that a screenshot from KH2?

>>714698235
I wish their past was more developed. IIRC there's a throwaway lore line about Steiner being the only one to ever beat her in a tourney, which is why he was given command of the Knights of Pluto in an otherwise matriarchical society.

>>714698107
>Well you would have to have artists, and a lot of them
FF7 remake uses pre-rendered backgrounds for parts of Midgar's background

>>714698335
None of them are "butchered" as in they are not inaccurate. They convey the characters and plot developments fine, the rest is flavor.

>>714698235
>Their romance was very rushed. Steiner went from being jealous of her to suddenly being in love with her on Disc 3.
maybe they always had a rivalry that developed into respect into love.

>>714698480
Yeah it's from the Ultimania book. It contains quite a few extra details, and honestly made the story a lot more clearly presented.

>>714698584
Leaving 'maybe's for the audience to fill in the gaps of your story logic is bad writing.

>>714698570
not everyone is autistic enough to forgive tonally deaf translations

>>714698713
This upscaled shit looks like total garbage. How does anyone find this acceptable? I would rather play at native res.

>>714698107
>And before you say AI, AI cannot replace actual creativity,
You don't need AI to make a random asset, clearly you never prompted, you type what you want the AI to make, and in this case the AI would do the work of translating the 3D high quality model to a 2D pre rendered background.

Is just a matter of time until we have AI tools capable of turning any random 3D model into pre rendered backgrounds

>>714698726
Explaining everything is bad writing

>>714698826
>tonally deaf
Tranny talk. You going to call me "media illiterate" next?

>>714680585
Too bad that the main love story of the two characters you are showing in that pic (Zidane and Garnet) is so shitty. She drugged and abandoned him to selfishly run back to her psycho mom (that she wanted to ESCAPE from with Zidane in the first place) making all of his efforts and the entire beginning of the game completely pointless, and all the people that die because of it by her basically giving her mother magic nuclear weaponry.

>>714681056
Right after FF10, FF7, and FF6.

>>714698314
Deserves to be with the rest of her people

>>714695049
I remember the noble game being really hard to get all 100 nobles but when I replayed the PC version I got it first try. Did they make it easier in the remaster?

>>714698859
>Is just a matter of time
Two more weeks saaaar
The scam has bottomed out, jeetoid. It's hit the wall. You better cash out before the bubble bursts if you've got money in it.

>>714694136
Most people here are too young to remember this, but FF9's marketing and launch was actively being sabotaged internally by Squaresoft mostly due to internal company politics. Hell FFX was announced and being marketed before FF9 was even released. That internal company drama is what lead Sakaguchi to quit and why the FF franchise and Square in general lost its soul after his departure.

FF9 was the last "true" Final Fantasy game.

>>714681056
Keep telling yourself that: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14012757/1/Everything-Wrong-with-Final-Fantasy-IX

https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2012/10/final-fantasy-ix-review.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

>>714698570
>They convey the characters and plot developments fine

>>714699068
30fps vs 60fps

>>714681902
A lot of it is forced and contrived though.

>>714680270 (OP)
Kinda bummed out that the animated show gotten canceled. I was looking forward to that despite being rumored the show is targeted towards kids.

>>714691414
It's laughable how emotional people get over Beatrix. In the grand scheme of the plot nothing about her or Cleyra is that relevant.

>>714699069
>Technology just will stop because I say so
Completely retarded post, expected too

>>714698835
Oh shit, he grew up

>>714691414
Beatrix is a shit character that killed innocent people and didn't deserve to be redeemed.

>>714699068
>Did they make it easier in the remaster?
They did. The encounter rate is also significantly lower.

>>714682816
VII was at least the most complete and thus best of them. And the Remakes are just fixing and restoring a lot of VII’s cut content and fixing writing fails from OG and expanding on things.

>>714699124
If they do a new translation for the remake it's going to be such a what the fuck moment for anyone who played the original translation.

>>714699070
Right. Sakaguchi left by his own will. He wasn't fired because The Spirits Within almost destroyed the company.

And Fantasian is probably your favorite JRPG.

>>714680270 (OP)
the most mediocre FF ever made

>>714699124
Why the FUCK nobody did a fan retranslation like they did for 7 I have no idea.

>>714699070
Are you retarded? What kind of revisionist history is this?
FFIX was marketed with fucking Coca Cola, it was not sabotaged at all.

9, 10 and 11 were all announced at the same show before any of them were released. Are you going to claim that 11 was sabotaging 10 as well?

Sakaguchi left because he nearly bankrupted Squaresoft with his opium dreams of becoming a Hollywood pimp and spending all their cash on building a renderfarm in Hawaii for a movie that flopped harder than XIV 1.0. He was fired, in Japan they do that by telling you to resign and save face.

>>714699070
>>714699318
I love how the composer just said that the company went to shit right after he quit lol

>>714695664
I don't think 7 felt rushed, instead it was the opposite. They had to throw in filler to make disc 2 longer with the huge materia stuff.

>>714699318
I also take 2 years to fire an employee yes

>>714696337
>You really want cutesy anime bullshit in FF9 like that dogshit remake of 7?
Oh so you mean EXACTLY what the original IX had? If anything, IX’s problem was it’s mood whiplash, contrived drama and overdoing on the war and destruction aspect.

>>714698835
Took me a moment and then I keked

>>714680270 (OP)
Here's your remake bro
https://www.jp.square-enix.com/music/sem/page/ff9/25th_Vinyl/en/
Oh sorry, you meant a "game". You should've specified, sorry bro

>>714699220
"""""technology"""""

>>714699374
Because FF9 released like just "days" before the PS2 and FFX so people were more interested in Tidus and Yuna than the monkey guy

>>714699318
>seething about Sakaguchi
Lmao enixcuck

>>714695319
PC+Moguri. Moguri has a bunch of QoL options you can enable if you so choose.

>>714699318
Is Fantasian is any good? Haven't heard much about it.

>>714699261

>>714699512
Yes, the same kind of tech that allowed the 12 days war

>>714699495
>time in japan
>4am
They're not gonna announce the remake now.

>>714696356
>>714696587
Probably because the main character is “literally goku”, complete with the tail, the random power up state with laser blasts, and the sudden reveal from his brother that they're both from another planet and meant to kill everyone on earth but he lost his memory.
But then also it's full of melodramatic bullshit where cute little black mage guys ponder the “meaning of existance” and then 5 minutes later some big ugly piece of garbage that looks like a muppet farts and comically devours an enemy in a random battle that takes way too fucking long.

The game is very obvious about how it was a goofy spinoff that suddenly got promoted to Main Installment halfway through development because square wanted to start a new console generation with a double digit final fantasy game for marketing purposes - it's very schizophrenic up to the final boss who's practically the posterboy for random bullshit final bosses
9's not really 'dark' so much as it's edgy for the sake of trying to have a dramatic moment.

It's not even nostalgia. It's kids on the internet parroting the "lol cloud is emo XD" meme and putting the most barebones and uninspired JRPG of the PS1 era on a pedestal simply because it's a Final Fantasy game with no "emo" characters. (Which is wrong because it has Garnet/Dagger, who takes the cake for being one of the most wangsty characters in the series)

What the fuck was tetra master's problem? Incomprehensible hex values that often make no difference?


>>714699480
Hey, bitchboy, you want that with fucking awful anime-dub-tier voice acting? I don't care if you're some secondary who loves the reheats you're just wrong.

>>714699728
Also replying to >>714696227

>>714699639
>b-but the hole said she's sorry so it's ok
Kill yourself cuck

>>714695319
PC + Moguri + Alternate Fantasy mod

>>714697605
Hahahah that's so cool...
wanna be friends

Reminder female Alexandrian soldier's leotards will be censored in the remake.

>>714699728
this anon is underage and has gone double contrarian. Laugh at him with me.

>>714700064
They probably just have pants on now.

>>714699639
>And the fact that the queen was a genocidal backstabbing warmonger who made an unprovoked attack on Burmecia who Garnet tried to warn you about didn’t make you realize this sooner was because…?
Seriously, apparently she was amongst the people who didn't believe Garnet when she said her mom was going crazy and starting a war, even though Beatrix was clearly taking part in this and no doubt had briefings from Brahne on said subject, so she had to know that Garnet was on to something, all this makes it REALLY hard to sympathize with Beatrix.

>>714699705
>points to a fake war to prove his fake AI
"I saw it in a movie!"

>>714699756
>>714700110
>has no argument

>>714700220
>>714699705
Not a war, a genocide.

>>714696771
>>714698159
I know I shouldn't respond to zoomer redditors, but please fuck off and die. Drink a bottle of bleach and end your miserable existence.

>>714699374
Like I said, only 7 gets the rep for having a bad localization, even though 8 and 9 are just as bad if not more flagrant with the changes.

>>714699639
At least Beatrix had the sense to save her princess but still. Doesn't really justify her prior actions.

>>714700301
>D-disprove my stupidity and madness! The gnomes eat my toes prove me wrong!!!
This isn't an argument, you're just an idiot
Also that was me, twice. The fact you said both those things indicates I was absolutely correct to call you out as some kid who liked that anime slop reheat. We don't really have anything else to say to each other.

>>714699458
Though many claim that the PS1 era was Square's "golden age", as it had games many considered some of the greatest games of all time, the reality is far from that. Final Fantasy VII, VIII, and IX were all rushed out the window, with varying with degrees of how rushed they were.

Final Fantasy VII is just probably the least rushed. In fact, FFVII is probably the most complete. However, they didn't have time to fix the balancing of battles and bosses. you could literally beat FFVII with Cloud, Tifa, and Barret (minus the part where Cloud isn't in the party in disc 2) with no changes. That's how bad the balancing was. And even then VII was still pretty much an unfinished game with it’s story, it was held back by the technical limitations of the PSX, Yuffie and Vincent weren’t originally going to just be “optional” they were going to have bigger parts, Wutai was going to have a bigger part, etc. The VII Remake is actually restoring and rightfully bringing back all of this cut content.

As for VIII, I’ve heard somewhere that if developers wanted to put in everything that they had planned for the game, it would have had to take up over EIGHT disks. It's buggy, has lots of slowdown, tons of load times, and it feels like a mess (though not as bad as IX). In fact, FFVIII didn't have time to prepare a raw script for localization and Squaresoft Electronic Arts (yes, they had a deal with EA, the irony is not lost with me) had to translate Final Fantasy VIII with a Game Shark. So hopefully VIII will get a remake that will fix all this.

Final Fantasy IX was really rushed, not made by the same team as VII and VIII, and had a smaller budget. In this case, a lot of its planned lore, like half of Freya's backstory, all of Amarant's backstory, and the final boss, Necron, had his entire lore cut out, and then there is the mediocre romance of Zidane and Garnet…

>>714690046
>>714690986
So, Beatrix is a bit like Cecil, without the class change and lunar blood.

>>714700516
Truthfully I feel like somebody always seems to bring up bad translations in Final Fantasy threads

Rate my remake
Story
>Added the death cult: a new faction. They are robbed enemies that help Kuja. They are a cult dedicated to Necron, foreshadowing his existence, but it is never explicitly stated until the end. They just talk about him as "god"
>Added freya and Amarant cutscenes and arc. Amarant "teaches" Freya how to be alone and reflect on her relationship with Fratley, she was far too dependent on him to be happy
>Desert Palace - Oeilvert - Mt Gulug arc completely reworked, it sucks ass and makes no sense.
>Memoria removed. Makes no sense. Now, the iifa tree is the last dungeon, but you go through its roots until the center of Gaia, where the crystal of the planet is.

Gameplay
>FFX-2, turn based. I dont see steiner moving like Cloud. Instead let it be like FFX-2, moving around the battle field, and using the terrain to fight better.

>>714699357
This guy gets it. Which is why it needs a remake to fix things.

>>714700516
Well you see 7 has an obvious typo early in the game. This is the only evidence 99% of anyone in the West has of translation issues, since they cannot speak Jap and have no ability to tell if a translation is wrong or not.

I'm not sure why you would believe >>714699124 some rando on the internet is more accurate than Square's people though. If you don't speak the language yourself you're still just trusting one stranger over another, except one of them has official approval and the other does not.

>>714700632

>>714680270 (OP)
kvno

>>714700764
>the shills are here
Right on schedule.

>>714700632
While this is all true, the PS1 FF's narratively still shit on most other games of that time, and in general, rushed or not rushed.
It's absolutely bonkers what Squaresoft put out with in some cases less than two year dev times.

>>714700632
>Final Fantasy VII is just probably the least rushed.
>Final Fantasy IX was really rushed
This is not true at all.
FFIX wasnt rushed, there was cut content which is different. They literally had to cut the game to fit the 4 disks. Thats why half of the towns in disk 4 are blocked or why you dont fight the 4 titans.
FFVII on the other hand, now THAT was rushed. You can see it in the plotting, you can see it in the inconsistencies and how Zack was added just so the story can make some sense. Yuffie and Vincent werent supposed to be optional at all. They added a couple of super bosses and key cutscenes in post release to USA.

Why are people expecting a FF9 remake when they're not even done with FF7

>>714700943
The game has 4 discs lmao. People crying about cut content again on this site.

>>714700908
>doesn't know what a shill even is
At least you're not a jew then

>>714700908
Bro they were sucking off a fucking VINYL release and oh-so-accidentally hinting that only squeenix produces quality memorabilia for this FFIX anniversary. The shills have been here from the start.

>>714700943
>>714700632
Also i forgot to add, the devs themselves have said that FFVII develpment was also very "disjointed", like people just added stuff without consulting others, and they just added stuff they thought it was cool.

>>714701036
Ok shill.

>>714700995
Because in no way it's expected to be to the same production values as the VII Remake trilogy.
And because at this point we've known for years it's in the pipeline, most likely under CS3 auspices with an external studio like Xeen involved, maybe Mistwalker. Also that (now cancelled) tie-in French animated series they commissioned a few years back.

It just ran into dev hell, as per usual for SE.

>>714700995
>companies do more than one remake at a time because t-they just can't okay!
Retard.

>>714701182
>>714701124
>>714700908
>question the validity of some literally nobody's "retranslation"
>immediate defense force frothing at the mouth claiming everyone is a "shill" for a 25 year old game.

Hmm. I wonder if that nobody is here in the room with us right now.

>>714680270 (OP)
>special movie
>is just the same cutscenes from the old game
huh ok, nice job square
why are they so lazy?

>>714700684
It's understandable. It's a bit frustrating that everyone before X got a proper redo except for VIII and IX.

>>714699124
The original japanese script still doesn’t fix things like Freya and Fratley’s subplot and etc. It definitely doesn’t fix Dagger’s stupid and extremely selfish post-disk 1 Lindblum behaviour where she ABANDONS Zidane, ruins the romance and renders the entire beginning of the game completely pointless.

Garnet: 1) Runs away from home because she's afraid her mother is going crazy and trying to start a war

2) Risks the lives of many, many people and causes numerous deaths along her flight from the castle (yes, I count all those Black Mages on the cargo airship as deaths)

3) Upon arrival in Lindblum suddenly proclaims that she refuses to believe her mother is evil and trying to take over the world, despite proof of her unprovoked attack on Burmecia, the slaughter of Black Mages from the Black Waltzes that were clearly sent by her, and the attempts to kill the “kidnappers”.

4) Runs all the way home because apparently she wanted to “just talk to her mom” and DRUGS AND ABANDONS ZIDANE: the guy who loved her. Thus rendering the whole point of the kidnapping and entire beginning of the game completely pointless. Not to mention ruining the love story with her and Zidane that the game tries to hype up so much.

5) Through her stupidity, she gets captured and tortured. Millions of people die from the results of her entirely preventable course of action because she basically handed over her Eidolons to her mother on a silver platter, and just to rub salt in the wound, she never gets called and chewed out on any of this, especially not by Zidane who should very rightfully be furious and upset with her, after all that he did for her, only for her to blow him off.

That is why I dislike Garnet.

>>714700183
The funniest thing about Beatrix is you can't even say she was fiercely loyal to the queen enough to blindly follow her orders. She bitches constantly about what Brahne is doing, but her only complaints are about her relying too much on black mages and summons instead of letting her and her knights do the killing.

>>714701365
Because IX draws no dimes.
Why put money into something that won't make it back?

Hey weebs. Yeah you.
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
There's nothing wrong with the translation of 9 or 8. The script is fine and it even improved the dialogue. Bitchless ass weebs.

>>714701352
Shill means paid marketing employee. I know you have to do this shit but it doesn't make you less of a fag you know.
You next move is to pretend that shills aren't a thing.

>>714691872
she didn't deserve best boy

>>714701167
Sounds like FFIX in a nutshell.

I'm actually disappointed this is dead in the water. The French artists nailed the background style.

>>714701365
It's not the same cutscenes. It's been very obviously AI upscaled since you can see the artifacting.

>>714701485
Whatever

>>714701476
For the love of the sport, Hogan.

>>714701352
Struck a nerve I see.

>>714701494
Uh huh. You still have not answered the question.

Why would you believe the translation of a random nobody on the internet over one approved by the company making the game?

>>714701569

>>714701031
So? VIII would have had to take up EIGHT disks for everything they had wanted to put in it. The PS1 FF’s were really held back by technical limitations.

>>714701395
k

>>714701569
Yeah but it was starring a nigress
Why would you want that

>>714700915
In VII’s case yes. But VIII and IX were on the weaker side. IX was the most mediocre.

>>714701716
We still got 3 great games in 3 years, regardless of cut content.

Right now we get 1 mediocre game per decade.

>>714701719
Because black mage onee-san.

>>714700796
Then you have no argument and no right to reply.

>>714701485
>There's nothing wrong with the translation of 9
>just ignore your eyes
Boy I really riled up the shills with that pic.

>>714701807
Isn't 7 just Star Wars? Actually 6 is just Star Wars too. At least 9 was like a fairy tale Ghibli movie or something.

>>714699428
Well, Uematsu hasn't made a decent OST since FF VIII, sooo...

>>714701893
Quit dodging.
>>714701621

>>714701719
Not everyone is a /pol/tard.

>>714687669
Well Sakaguchi is very close friends with Yoshida now so if you want him involved you're gonna have go that route.

>>714701807
I maintain that aside from the neglected characters like Freya and Amarant, IX has the best character development in the series, and the best plot. Aside from Necron out of nowhere at the end which should have been Soulcage.

>>714701621
You should get your head checked. That image has been posted for a long time.
Explain your twisted idea of what you think is happening. Some guy defends his one-image translation for what updoots? As opposed to you cumming and shitting defending fucking square enix of all companies. At best you're a fucking idiot and at worst a paid marketing employee.

>>714701956
X was amazing
His tracks for XIV 1.0 were also some of his best work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rThNaoLGau8&list=RDrThNaoLGau8&start_radio=1

>Uematsu hasn't made a decent OST since FF VIII
(you)

>>714702095
Lmao
Quit dodging.
>>714701621

>>714700719
>Added freya and Amarant cutscenes and arc. Amarant "teaches" Freya how to be alone and reflect on her relationship with Fratley, she was far too dependent on him to be happy
Keep this tumblr bullshit and western cultural imperialism on what constitutes as a “strong women” out of the IX remake. The Freya/Fratley love story just needs to be fixed and have more focus, the same and ESPECIALLY with Zidane and Garnet. Garnet’s needs to have her obnoxious naivety and stupidity removed and be more entranced by Zidane.

>>714702061
Soulcage is only a tool created by Terrans/Garland, it has nothing to do with anything beyond spreading mist.

>>714696237
So odd how ff9 has the best characters in the series but the worst amano designs.

>>714697281

>>714701719
Come on dude, calm down. I bet it's probably just a brown anime girl like Lani-
>it actually is a fucking DEI monster
Lmao. Sasuga, Pierre.

>>714702339
Steiner and Vivi look cool

>>714702346
fucking BASED finally. Thank you.

>>714700628
The VII Remakes are great, you are just a nostalgia freak manchild:
https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2020/04/final-fantasy-vii-remake-review.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14332417/1/Everything-the-Final-Fantasy-VII-Remakes-improve-over-the-original

https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2025/03/lets-play-final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-1.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

>>714702301
>Keep this tumblr bullshit and western cultural imperialism on what constitutes as a “strong women” out of the IX remake
Fuck off retard.
My point with the freya arc isnt to make her a "strong" woman or some shit. She spend like 10 years looking for fratley and it was the only thing that kept her hopeful. She needed to realize that theres other stuff in life, not the destination. She could have lived while also looking for Fratley, but she didnt.
She needs to learn how to be alone and realize that they can start over again, as simple as that. In fact, they do start over but they forgot the middle of the arc.

>>714702445
Anime voice acting.
QED I don't have to say another word.

>>714702301
I already got FF9 remake figured out months ago before weebs knew who Debra was. Your welcome. I expect my check in the mail.

>>714702339
Steiner, Amarant, Zidane and Quina are all 100% an improvement in Amanovision.

>>714701853
XVI and the VII Remakes are good, but keep trying to ignore them.

>>714702445
>The VII Remakes are great

>>714698314
She’s overhyped by furries

>>714702606
VII Remake is the only one I was referring to

>>714701910
>Isn't 7 just Star Wars? Actually 6 is just Star Wars too.
I think you are referring to FFXII and Kingdom Hearts.

>>714702532
>Anime voice acting.
Its not anime at all. You cleearly dont play many jrpgs.

It's very funny seeing people get all up in arms about turn based being sacred for FF9 of all games. The combat and character progression are among the worst in the series in 9. It's one of my favorites for the art, the music, the story and the characters, but almost anything would be an improvement over the combat system as it was.

>>714702856
12 at least was medieval Star Wars which is cooler than steampunk Star Wars

>>714702445
>The VII Remakes are great,

>>714702606

>>714702113
I think that most of tracks on FFX were composed by Nakano and Hamauzu, but I could be wrong.

>>714702859
why the FUCK would I ever do something that low test? Anyway this is a final fantasy thread please stay on-topic

>>714702557
Quinoa looks like a jester in that picture with I food falling out the hat? I guess it's better by default though. Quina's trace looked cool.

>>714702339
The hell you smoking nigga? His IX work goes hard as fuck and is extremely polished, only second to VI.

>>714702856
Kingdom Hearts has nothing to do with Star Wars at all, unless you think having a laser sword in any form makes a whole story Star Wars, in which case you are just deranged

>>714702608
Like a remix that spends too much time on buildup before getting to the drop for artificial depth

>>714697860
Because they literally just released Fantasian and you didn't buy it.

>>714702886
>The combat and character progression are among the worst in the series
But enough about 8.

>>714681978
Probably making it action based and not ATB. Awful if that's the case.

>>714702886
With IX being intended as a throwback to old generations of FF, moving away from that is to reject the entire intention behind the project. All it needs is more speed.

>>714702061
>IX has the best character development in the series, and the best plot
It doesn’t, Final Fantasy IX is far from perfect. It's story is over cluttered and suffers from astoundingly poor pacing, it has an overabundance of random battles and load times, the Trance system is yet another failed attempt at a Limit Break mechanic that isn't somehow broken, it has antagonists with personalities and motives as two-dimensional as the NES FF antagonists, Zemus, Exdeath and Kefka, yet are exposed and hyped up to the degree of Sephiroth (the only exception to this is IX's Garland), and it thrusts Quina, Brahne and Kuja upon the players.

The story is a mess, pure and simple. But so were most early Final Fantasy games' plots during the NES and SNES, and we didn't hold it against them. Why judge IX's so severely, then? The answer is because this is after FFVII, which was very revolutionary and we're now at the point where an RPG's story is about as equally important as it's gameplay when determining it's overall quality. The genie's out of the bottle now, and there's no stuffing it back in. When a game has hundreds of pages' worth of dialogue and enough minutes of FMVs to fill a half-hour television slot, the narrative it spins has to be equally engrossing as the time a player spends running around and slaying monsters, or else it becomes a hindrance. In a game like Final Fantasy, the story is the payoff the player earns for slogging through all those dungeons and fighting all those random battles, and if the story with which he or she is rewarded isn't up to snuff, then the game does not succeed. IX's story really could have been better, and the entire experience suffers for it.

Final Fantasy IX is often tried to be justified by saying that it's a "cute children's story", as if that should brush aside any claims against it.

>>714702886
Turn based fags have no critical thinking.
You can talk about any videogame genre and say "theres good X and bad X", but when it comes to turn based, these fags have no critical thinking, they dont think theres good and bad turn based games or turn based systems. It is just "it is turn based therefore it is very tactical and good".

>>714702339
Vivi, Freya, Steiner and Quina are amazing

>>714702992
His work on 2 and 5 was his best

>>714702950
This is old news buddy, they are selling great now thanks to the PC release and Switch ports.

Reminder

>>714702992
The troupe was cool

>>714703142
2 and 6, nothing beats his Terra

>>714703063
>they
Square didn't make that you retard.

>>71470309>>714702061
This is not a children's fairy tale, by the way, already according to the age rating. This is Final Fantasy and the Finals are aimed at teenagers and young adults. (Though the blind praise could just be a really loud vocal minority. IX was one of the least selling post-VII games) It is full of empty and useless pathos replicas inserted there for the sake of pathos, and a good half of the FMVs are there only to be joyfully jerked off (I'm sure there are those who claim that IX is the "best" already because of the fact that there are summons in the FMVs), and the relevance of this in the narrative and common sense close their eyes.

Even if we consider it from the standpoint of a fairytale, then it fails here too. Kuja is not a fairytale character at all, and Garland destroys the illusion of the deliberate simplicity of the local plot, winding up new turns of an inexplicable and indistinct whirlwind of facts over and over again, which does not add up to anything integral.(Hello, FFI) All this stuff about Gaia and Terra does not fit into the fairytale-ness that could be referred to throughout the first two disks. And needless to say, the game's attempt to look smart has completely failed.

>>714703208
fucking DELETE this

>>714703173
>they are selling great now

>>714702061
>>714703315
In general, Final Fantasy IX is a very stupid game. In everything. Attempts to intricate the plot here are powerless and miserable, the drama is feigned, the characters are empty. Oh yes, many still like to say that IX is a "return to the origins" of the series. It couldn't be farther from the truth. Yes, IX is full of references to the previous parts. Mostly so fat that afterwards you need to wash your hands of it. Wow, Gulug volcano with the remixed music, what a reference. And Garland and Sarah (Garnet) are FFI characters, did you know? Nothing that they have other roles at all? Ramuh gives the heroes a test, to listen to the retelling of Joseph's story from FFII. Just a retelling without any relevance to what is happening here. And at the end of FFIII and FFIV, all the characters "resurrected" to beat the last boss that came right out of nowhere, what a freaking move, let's do it again. And what, this is called a "return to the roots" ? A bunch of cheap Easter Eggs? Really?

Another factor is lack of effort on Square's part. Apparently, Final Fantasy IX wasn't intended to be a part of the numbered main Final Fantasy titles. It was originally developed to be a spin-off, like Tactics or Crystal Chronicles, and therefore not as high-priority in terms of budget or development time.

And then there is the love story, as I've said in the first chapter, I am a big sucker for big romanced focused stories with a lot of charm and wholesomeness… and some lewdness. (I do read and watch a bunch of Ecchi Romance manga/anime) But IX's love story barely had any of that, and is really overhyped (to where even Vivi "stopping" took a back seat to it in the game's ending), with even the TV commercials and ads back then putting the most emphasis on Zidane and Garnet and the love song Melodies of Life playing in them. It was not deep and convincing.

>>714703142
I like this piece, but I always found it strange that Amano would pose Gus that way with the airship in the background. At a glance it looks like he's holding a crossbow.

what's up with the LLM walls of text shitting on FF9? is this what squeenix thinks will get people to buy the remake? What a bunch of fucking retards

>>714703208

>>714703395

>>714703208
I see your BBQuina, and raise you a fat cat

>>714699606
It's ok, definitely made as a love-letter to the PSX/SNES era of Squaresoft RPGs but the effect of the dioramas is a bit lost when the image is blown up well past the resolution of an iphone or ipad and you can tell that the budget was likely fairly modest from Apple when it was originally being produced. If you have a soft-spot for those type of JRPGs I would say to maybe pick it up on a good sale. Definitely not worth the current asking price even with the 35% off sale, maybe wait until it's 50% off.

>>714703521
I know this is a joke but a lot of time in those threads people just ignore shit on the picture to see what they want.

>>714703416
Melodies of Life is so fucking cringe.
Just like Tetra Master to Triple Triad, it was trying way too hard to replicate VIII's success with Eyes On Me being a number 1 hit. But the lyrics are not nearly as personal or sincere, they read like a Hallmark card poem

>>714702061
>IX has the best character development in the series
Tell that to Garnet and Zidane (and by proxy, Steiner)

She quite literally goes back and hands her entire selection of eidolons to her mother after all the hard work Zidane and Tantalus did to get her ass out of the kingdom. In the end Garnet is the one responsible for giving her mother magic nuclear weaponry that annihilated Cleyra, seriously hurt Lindblum and then Alexandria itself killing god knows how many people, and ruining the love story.

But hey, we're talking about a game where a war criminal (Beatrix) is never truly confronted about the shit that she did and is left to stay as an unbeatable god-mode Sue.

I can name tons of romances from other games and anime/manga that were quickly developed and were way more interesting than Zidane and Garnet’s:

FFVII, VIII, X and XIII
Strike the Blood
Rosario+Vampire
NGE: Shinji Ikari Raising Project
Naruto and Hinata
Valkyrie Drive Mermaid
Yamada-Kun and the Seven Witches
Shinmai Maou no Testament
Xenoblade
Monster Girl Doctor
Maken-Ki
Re:Zero
Sailor Moon

>>714688542
>She is quite an underrated character. Typically female leads doing stupid shit in JRPGs is never punished narratively
It isn't Garnet that suffers for her actions though, it's everyone else
>ooohh I'm so traumatized by what my stupidity and vindictiveness has wrought that I'm going to go mute and become effectively useless instead of steeling my heart in order to fix what I helped fucked up
she basically took female neuroticism and expanded its negative results to the majority of people on the continent

I dont call her garnet or dagger anymore, it is always Sarah

>>714690307
Source?

>>714703098
>putting VII on a pedestal
VII was a mess. The only thing it really did right was the buildup of Sephiroth, from the Shinra building to the Kalm flashback to the Midgar Zolom and so on. I still think the actual sum of Sephiroth at the end was badly handled and he's a more one-dimensional villain than Kuja.

>cute children's story
FF IX has characters dying, cities being destroyed, genocide taking place. Despite its visual style it tackles the themes of death and legacy in a far more mature way than VII's superficial themes of environmentalism, corporate dystopia and memory/identity are handled.

>>714697728
I would usually agree, but considering SE hasn't made a good original FF game in over 20 years I will take a remake.

>>714703820
>Not Brahne Jr

>>714699215
That just shows how mediocre IX really is and you nostalgia shills need to stop overhyping it. This is what I find objectionable most of all. It is that the game uses genocide as a story beat and asks us to view things with a long-term styled form of thinking. This is beyond fucked when you stop and think about it.

>>714703836
On what?

>>714686003
>but he meets him again and he seems like a good guy
more like he had a serious vendetta against zidane but the guy didnt even remember him. him being a "whos this guy" serves the narrative.

>>714691542
It’s even stupid when you take in the context that Zidane is supposed to be an artificial super human that is supposed to be superior to Kuja.

I forgive her

>>714703997
>shills
This means paid marketing employee IE: Someone who is paid to post here with an agenda. Stop "accidentally' misusing terminology with specific meanings to cover your tracks, squeenix employee

>>714703820
I'd hate if they call her dagger in the remake since it'll be voiced. Dagger is such a stupid fucking name

>>714691872
Okay, gooner.

>>714703871
No, it doesn't. VII's take on identity, denial, unrealistic aspirations and self-delusion are much more mature than IX's baby-tier after school lessons.

>>714703997
>They're genociding black mages
>How does this affect you personally

I find funny that people hate beatrix so much when in reality she was following orders and wasnt acting like a blood thirsty warlord or some shit. Her dialogue suggest she wasnt liking all the shit and she could have finished off the party at any time. She helped garnet and the party escape and reveled against her own queen. She doesnt kill rats on screen either, its not even stated she killed anything to begin with except the obvious soldiers, not civilians.
She doesnt even summon the eidolons.

>I forgive her

>>714704270
You know for certain it will be the case.

>>714704265
Who is paying someone to call FFIX mediocre?

Please elaborate on your theory

>>714704316
Where did I even mention the black mages? I was referring to the rats and Lindblum.

>>714704383
>rape and murder children
>huh? I was just le following orders, I'm not a bad guy

>>714700719
>>Added freya and Amarant cutscenes and arc. Amarant "teaches" Freya how to be alone and reflect on her relationship with Fratley, she was far too dependent on him to be happy
Cancer. What we actually needed was a mini-arc with Beatrix and Freya, where Beatrix is confronted by what she's done and forced to atone or at least try.

>>714704458
>I was referring to the rats and Lindblum.
oh lmao. the rats, really? that's not even genocide.

>>714691542
she's too busy commanding the fleet of airships during the assault on memoria to go oneshot trance kuja.

>>714704040
On this:
>i interacted with Tsilyurik back when he was posting on igromania forum (pretending to be a girl for lulz)

>>714701602
>It's not the same cutscenes. It's been very obviously AI upscaled since you can see the artifacting.
so the remake is just going to be a remaster like tactics?

>>714704506
>rape and murder children
?????????????
i dont think thats beatrix

>>714704383
>when in reality she was following orders
We have established this is not a valid defense for atrocities.
>wasnt acting like a blood thirsty
Her only vocal complaint in the game dialog about committing genocide is that she wasn't allowed to do more of it with her own hands

>complains about FFIX's pacing
>probably likes FF7 which constantly switches your party around and makes you redistribute Materia every 30 minutes

I will take slow battle loads over constantly swapping Materia every day of the week. At least in FF9 you can permanently learn the abilities.

>>714704608
>this is not a valid defense for atrocities.
what atrocities? be specific, because again, she could have killed a lot of people but she didnt.

>>714704432
Modern marketers have two modes. Call the previous thing shit so that people call them out and so organically promote the brand or shit on the previous thing because the indian firms hired to shill here and on /tv/ only care about engagement and report "mentions on social media" to their shillbosses which they count this as. It is a truth and reality that there are shills here and this has been proven over and over, I am merely speculating on their motivations and trying to explain their behavior.

>>714688542
>>714703693
Actually, Rinoa brings up a key part of my Garnet hate. When Rinoa was stupid and childish, she got called out on it by the main character and forced to own up to it. Garnet never did.

Rinoa didn't get millions of people killed through her idiocy. Nor poison her love interest and friends because they wouldn't listen to her demanding that the mad evil tyrant mother be talked down, because after Garnet went through all the trouble of escaing said tyrant mother, she suddenly decided the tyrant should be talked to. Nor drag me through a really long sub-quest with a painfully obvious conclusion any idiot could have seen miles away.

...say what you will about Rinoa, at least the characters called her out on her silly stunts, she learned to stop being an idiot, and nobody died because of her idiocy.

>>714704608
>We have established this is not a valid defense for atrocities.
hague doesnt exist in gaia. being a duty bound knight actually is a valid defense.

>>714704608
>Her only vocal complaint in the game dialog about committing genocide is that she wasn't allowed to do more of it with her own hands
yeah well i dont care about the english "translation"
in the japanese version she explicitly criticizes her queen and says this atrocities shouldnt be happening
in the english version she says "fuck, the queen didnt praise me as i hoped"

>>714704316
Black Mages lives matter

>>714704195
Imagine double eye covering

>>714704698
What about that part where squall died and she became Ultimecia and compressed time?

>>714704537
>that's not even genocide.
?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BcMOGNG500

>>714704432
>>714704673
>FFIX has never been criticized before this thread
slit your throat already you stupid faggot. Some people just dont blindly praise whatever you love.

>>714704673
Okay so:
>saying anything positive about a game is shilling, since it is direct promotion
>saying anything negative about a game is also shilling, since it is reverse psychology promotion

So the only thing that is not shilling is to not talk about the game at all in any form

>>714704383
Beatrix Derangement Syndrome. People will ignore that Garland created Kuja for the specific purpose of causing death and destruction and Kuja manipulated Brahne into waging war against the rest of the continent just because they weren't allowed to beat Beatrix in a boss fight.

>>714704794
>in the japanese version she explicitly criticizes her queen and says this atrocities shouldnt be happening
Proofs?

>>714688542
>She is quite an underrated character. Typically female leads doing stupid shit in JRPGs is never punished narratively.
Neither is Dagger, she just gets treated as a “victim” in all of this, even though Zidane should very rightfully be upset with her.

Garnet never learns from her mistakes, she just has long internal monologues. Also, nobody ever calls her out on the mistakes she made or what the cost actually was. If I were Zidane, I would have been really upset with her after losing a close friend in the attempt to rescue her only for her to decide to blow me off and make the whole sacrifice and Zidane’s devotion to her meaningless.

She thought her mother was going nuts and got proof by her mother firing on the ship and sending murderous creatures like the Black Waltzes after her. Risking those people's lives would have been tragic, but not necessarily something to attack her for if she hadn't completely thrown it all away for absolutely no reason later.

It pisses me off because the game wants us to “feel sympathy for her” when it did nothing to make her sympathetic.

>>714699862
>Alternate Fantasy mod
>Beatrix can be permanently recruited
That's pretty cool, but I assume this will turn the game into a cakewalk even with the mod that makes the game harder.

why do they only let the PC version get the QOL changes like speeding up
can the switch and ps5 not handle such advanced technology?

>>714704878
yeah and usa dropped atomic bombs on japan. why hasnt usa been put on le trial yet?????

>>714703997
The topic of genocide is more than the conflict between Alexandria and Cleyra. You have the black mages, cursed to live a short existence, you have the opposition between Terra and Gaia, where Terra needs to genocide the entire planet of Gaia for it's own survival. All of these things flow into the central theme of life and death.

You're 100% right that the subplot between Alexandia and it's warmongering could have been handled better, but I think this is more a consequence of the intersection between art and product that video games as a medium exists within. I fully believe you probably could have had a rewrite of FF9 to allow each story beat to shine as it should, but you also have to remember FF9 launched AFTER the PS2 was already released in Japan. A rewrite to polish the narrative would have meant a delay, any further delay and you would have had the game releases in a dated market as everyone transitioned to the next gen of consoles, or the need to port the game to the PS2, which opens up it's own can of worms. I have zero faith modern SE could properly pull it off, but a proper rewrite in the form of a remake is genuinely the single most impactful thing a proper remake could genuinely improve upon from the original.

>>714704698
Rinoa killed thousands after her transformation into Ultimecia

>>714704698
Garnet didn't NEED to be called out, because her actions are always landing her in trouble and causing her to need to be rescued. She's a helpless damsel-in-distress. Why do the characters need to chastise her like a child, when reality keeps doing that over and over again anyway?

>>714704875
That’s a fan theory, and that’s for a VIII remake to properly execute.

>>714704554
Etna on igromania forums
Trolled quite a bit of people back in the good ol days when the forum was all about early dvach dwellers styling on random dumb kids who registered there purely because of the gaming magazine

>>714704941
>whataboutism
Amazing what cleavage will make a retard jump through fiery hoops to overlook

>>714704968
https://youtu.be/-9Hm9_AfaS0?list=PLRFNi2SoMa9IyIG4rs1yF1p1NYQX2F3DE&t=190

>>714704698
Rinoa does a ton of stupid bullsit. It just magically gets resolved. Garnet gets her entire life and kingdom destroyed because of it.

>>714704885
>>714704890
We're not having this "are shills real" nonsense we've known for a while.
Violent anger when called out huh. Sure is an organic reaction, yes siree.

>>714704941
>>714704383
>I was only following orders.

>>714704982
I'm sure there's some reason that Zidane forgave her.

>>714704985
Depends on the mod. I actually used the Beatrix mod when I played the game through the Moguri mod last year, and while yeah she is OP, by the time you get her in the party you have access to so many other ways to be OP she just becomes a Steiner with white mage (which admittingly, is just flat out an improvement over poor Steiner, but by the time you get her Steiner is already capable of dropping damage cap nukes every turn, and you would typically want her to do the same thing rather than wasting her time casting Cura or some shit anyway.)

>>714704991
Isn't the PS5 port is just the old PS Classics emulation?
I heard that the Steam version is also technically emulation but it was made by an outsourced team instead of just using Sony's emulator.

>>714705003
Because the USA is a hegemony and evil empire that holds too much power, but that is finally changing and the empire is crumbling and the whole world is realizing just how evil they really are with their support of Israel’s genocide on Palestinians. The US government is definitely going to pay for it’s crimes soon

>>714704525
That already exists. FF9 is so forgettable that people don't even remember what happens in that game, lol

>>714705006
That’s exactly why I WANT a modern remake. Did I not make that clear enough?

>>714705192
Stop shilling shills you fucking shill

>>714704982
>Neither is Dagger, she just gets treated as a “victim” in all of this
motherfucker, she gets her mother killed, endangers her uncle and wrecks his kingdom and then gets alexandria raped, she doesn't need to be dunked on by other character to become the story's punching bag, everything around her crumbles to the point she loses her voice

>>714705050
Let’s not bring up fan theories or talk about a possible future here. (I would also like it if Ultimecia was Squall and Rinoa’s daughter)

>>714705261
>The US government is definitely going to pay for it’s crimes soon
Nah, the usual suspects will skate like they always do. It's only the poors who will suffer. Read some history.

>>714705101
Name one character Beatrix's direct actions caused the death of

>>714705003
>why hasnt usa been put on le trial yet?????
There was no international treaty protecting civilians specifically from aerial attacks at the time of the atomic bombings. It wasn’t until Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions was adopted in 1977 that deliberate and indiscriminate attacks on civilians was prohibited even if the civilian areas contained military objectives. This doesn't justify the actions of the U.S. It's not like the atomic bomings were their only misdeed. I mean the country was built on the backs of slaves.

>>714704595
I'm pointing out how stupid the "just following orders" cope is.

>steiner and vivi represent ffix along with alexandria castle for chocobo grand prix
sure it's nice to have squall, cloud, and terra, but what about the rest of FF? how about an actual FF racer for once?

>>714705530
>dude how can you shoot your gun towards your enemy, just like, say no to your commander lol

>>714705221
Who is more responsible for the black mages killing people, Kuja or the black mages themselves?

>>714705357
I'll be honest here brother, I did not read the entire reply chain you were having earlier. I was only responding to that comment in a vacuum. I only did a full play-through of FF9 for the first time just last year, and while I did think that the overall core theme of the game was still sufficiently expressed to consider the game kino, yeah I agree that an opportunity for a rewrite in a remake would be amazing. (I just dont think SE now has the chops to do it without fucking up like 13 other different things along the way.)

>>714705523
>the country was built on the backs of slaves
*Chinese

>>714704672
>what atrocities?
Genocide is an atrocity.

>>714705601
The black mages stopped killing people when they gained sentience. Beatrix is a sapient being, yet she continued to kill people in cold blood.

Why did a IX thread turn into screaming about happy merchants and pajeet marketing farms?

>>714705074
Because it’s a copout and the narrative is being manipulative and smacking us in the face to “please feel bad for the selfish bitch who drugged and abandoned her true love and friends to selfishly get her way on her stupid plan of just talking to her mother”, even though she could have just done this well before the game started.

If she was so convinced her mother wasn’t so out of her mind or crazy that Garnet could have just talked her out of it, why even bother to run away from home in the first place rather than just talk to her mother when she had the CHANCE? (Something that a girl with an otherwise perfect relationship with their mother would do FIRST, before running away) Had all of the stuff we'd just witnessed not happened (The Queen firing upon the Prima Vista and not caring about collateral damage with the civilians or even her own daughter’s safety, the murderous Black Waltzes which blatantly tell Garnet that her mother sent them after her, the devastated North Gate with the Alexandrian flags placed there clearly showing that they were launching an attack against Burmecia), and Garnet had come to Lindblum without ever fearing her mother or seeing evidence of her mother's atrocities, then the "My mother isn't crazy and I can just reason with her!" reaction would make sense.

>>714704985
You can check by yourself some of the changes
https://steamcommunity.com/app/377840/discussions/0/353915953249510749/Final+fantasy+IX+Hack+Episode+4+

>>714705682
she didnt genocide anything.

>>714705596
>n-no you see I had to rape and kill children they were the le enemy haha

>>714705742
Someone questioned the accuracy of a supposed retranslation of a scene from the game and someone got real, real mad at that

>>714705334
Shut the fuck up. That is not Beatrix facing what she's done or coming anywhere close to atonement.

>>714705728
>The black mages stopped killing people when they gained sentience
Wow it's almost as someone else was giving them instructions and they were just following orders
>Beatrix is a sapient being, yet she continued to kill people in cold blood
see >>714705498

>>714705459
>let's not bring up fan theories, but lemme tell you mine
Hypocrisy aside, Ultimecia being the daughter would make even less sense.

>>714705090
Okay, also just to clarify, the one posting those IX critique posts isn’t Tsilyurik, it’s me, NC1234567 who just reposts his valid criticisms.

>>714704383
Her only objection to the orders was that they were wasting her skills killing civilians.

>>714705523
Damn you mean those lazy niggers could have built a usa level nation in africa but needed someone with a whip to bully them into doing so? Based yanks allowing the africans to reach their true potential.

>>714705807
Burmecia

>>714705625
They were subject to dangerous working conditions and discrimination than their white counterparts. Being second class citizens effectively. Then in 1882 there was the Chinese Exclusion Act, prohibiting all immigration of Chinese laborers for 10 years.

PLEASE YOU STUPID MORONS SEE >>714705114
>>714705114
>>714705114

>>714705864
>Someone
A shill.

>Be Garland
>Knock your Opponent to the ground

>Be Garland
>Kuja throws me to the ground to my death.

FUCK YOUUUUUUUuuuuuuuu...........

>>714705869
She literally asks Freya for forgiveness and Freya says it's too late but implores her to do something else to make the situation better. I feel like Freya has a much better opinion as to what Beatrix should be compelled to do rather than some guy watching a fictional story happen on a screen.

>>714705742
Underage remake secondaries mad this isn't a circlejerk porn image dump

>>714705994
Wasn't as if the so-called farmers and land owners of the plantations were going to do actual work for their profit. I wouldn't call them productive.

>>714706159
>Hey, my bad.
Fuck you.

>>714700496
Shut the fuck up you cuckold.

>>714705498
The civilians of Burmecia she slaughtered, cumbrain.

>>714704276
K, sir.

>>714706242
So Beatrix should double down and kill Zidane and crew?

>>714705171
And dagger is never called out on it and just spends most of the game drowning in a puddle of her own angst, which gets in the way of Zidane and Garnet’s love story. It’s obnoxious and infuriating.

Rinoa would have been called out on it and forced to learn. Garnet wasn't. That's why I cut Rinoa some slack - at least the characters treated her the way I would have. The game and I were on the same wavelength.

Rinoa only forced me through one sidetrack of stupidity and it took ten minutes. Quistis forced me through a whole stupid dungeon that ultimately had no effect on the plot except that it established Quistis as incredibly blaise about her duties, but I forgave her because she stopped after that and I was never forced to endure hours upon end of her inner monologues. Garnet rendered the first several hours of gameplay entirely useless because she was a moron and she got entire cities blown up because of her stupid - and she never stopped reminding me of her stupid. Rinoa only threatened HERSELF and other people told her that, constantly. The hero chewed her out within the first disc for being so reckless and impulsive. See, people get on Squall for being a jerk. I love him because it's not often you see RPG heroes saying what you would have said to stupid characters.

>remember that dance scene with Freyja and the sudden shift to bad news.
awkward timing.

>>714706258
Show us where she unquestionably does this like the black mages unquestionably killing people at Cleyra

>>714705334
That’s just a copout and lazy writing.

>>714706359
They should have killed her. And baring that, she should have had to go through an entire mini-arc of redemption, where she's forced to feel shame, humiliation, and horror.

Been playing again not knowing it was the anniversary

I just did the Oielvert segment and brought Dagger, since I had a gap and forgot she was fucking mute still

At least I had a bajillion throwing weapons to toss at the airship boss with Amarant to deal enough damage

>>714705742
This is what happens when a series has more bad games than good games

>>714705171
>Garnet gets her entire life and kingdom destroyed because of it.
Schizo moment

>>714706379
>Quistis forced me
she told Zell and Selphie to stay put and they ignored her orders

>>714705919
>see
Citizens of Burmecia.

>>714705458
Which was all her own fault for running back home like an idiot in the first place.
Let's just disregard that Cid got her out of there because he was afraid for her safety (and was right)
Let's just disregard that Tantalus made enemies of one of the premier world powers trying to get Garnet to safety
Let's just disregard that someone like Vivi got pulled into all this and risked his own comparatively short life to help get Garnet away from Alexandria
Let’s just “celebrate” the "humanity" of Garnet's decision to spit in the face of all that and drugged Zidane and her friends to get her way
everyone agreed that just going back to Brahne was a bad idea. And they were proven right.

Poisoning the man who loves you, and all your friends is a really shitty thing to do, all because she couldn't take no for an answer and wanted to do something she could have done well before the game started. That’s stupid.

>>714706431
>if I didn't see it, it didn't happen
Man cannot read the room. You're like those guys who think a JRPG town is literally two houses and an Inn instead of that being an abstraction.
Of course there were a lot more people in Cleyra than they had time or space to show, and of course Beatrix was there killing them because why the fuck else would she be present?

>>714706447
And? The issue was that needed to happen and it did. If people were actually knowledgeable about the game the argument would have that the writing is bad rather than that never happening.

>>714706379
But Garnet cut off her hair, isn't that punishment enough?

>>714706431

>>714705468
Look up Karl Marx and historical materialism, the revolution is coming soon, more and more people are getting fed up with the US’ bullshit and are no longer letting them have their way.

>>714705745
It'd be a cop out if Garnet faced no consequences. But she continually does:
>kidnapped
>drugged
>Eidolons extracted
>constantly helpless
>constantly rescued
>mother dies
>kingdom destroyed
>loses her voice
>loses her ability to summon

>>714706236
Yeah but why were blacks able to build america here but did fuckall in africa? Pls respond

>>714705807
She killed billions

It's gonna be funny when Square censors Beatrix's cleavage in the remake and the coomers that always defend her actions turn on her.

here's a fact, only two of your party memebers are human; steiner and Armarant. Eiko and Garnet are a race of summoners and Garnet had her horn cut off at an early age. Quina is whatever the hell it is. A frog? Freya is a rat. Zidane is some biological monkey with human dna. Vivi is black.

Only on /v/ can autists turn a ff9 thread into arguing about slavery in America.
Fucking retards.

>>714706492
>They should have killed her
They can't though, she beat them so easily that she left them alive because she wasn't even afraid of them coming back to try and kill her the next two times
>she should have had to go through an entire mini-arc of redemption
i.e. her realizing the error of her ways, asking for forgiveness/atonement through the Burmecians/Freya and them telling her what they want from her just like what happened in >>714705334

>>714706767
Karl Marx was an industrialist plant from the Phillips (Electronics) family. He's a bad example to follow if you want to know about functional socialism, his model was made specifically to fail so his family could continue to succeed.

Beatrix should have been the blue mage of the group.

>>714706881
They were just following orders

ブルメシアの民よ、私は許されない過ちを犯してしまっていたようです……

>>714706359
She SHOULD have sacrificed herself at some point later in the game. That would have been the only proper way to atone for what she did.

Her living it up next to the princess like she did nothing wrong is TERRIBLE

>>714706626
>Which was all her own fault for running back home like an idiot in the first place.
Yeah, that's literally the entire point. She fucked around and found out.
Nobody celebrates it. It's just realistic unlike Rinoa's stupidity which always gets interrupted by her insane plot armor

>>714706604
>>714706626
>>714706756
She's never shown or confirmed to kill anyone in Burmecia or Cleyra. In fact she created a plan to avoid fighting anyone in Cleyra and lets Zidane and crew live even after she's beaten them twice

>>714707003
Why is it always like this? Real world politics infiltrating discussion over a thread about games?

>>714705624
They are doing a good job with the VII Remakes as Tsilyurik points out:

https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2025/03/lets-play-final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-1.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2025/06/lets-play-final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-6.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

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>>714706236
Why do plantations=america? if we make plantations elsewhere do we get another america pls respond

>>714707175
>She SHOULD have sacrificed herself at some point later in the game
OR she could switch sides and fight to make things right and help ensure that such mistakes are not repeated in the future
>Her living it up next to the princess like she did nothing wrong is TERRIBLE
She was going to go into self imposed exile but Steiner convinced her of the above

>>714705114
I am well aware of the mistranslations surrounding Beatrix, it doesn’t fix her bitch behaviour in Burmecia and Cleyra and prevents her scene on the Red Rose from being any less of an asspull.

>>714707331
Do you think she just casually strolled around Burmecia doing nothing or something? She was literally about to kill one of them before the party jumps in and stops her so she clearly didn't have any issue with it.

you would have think Garnet eventually realized her mother wasn't her mom right?

Writers used to know that if you have a character commit indefensible crimes, they have to pay for it in equal measure to satisfy the readers' sense of justice

>>714707348
>>714707403
Because games can be political (just look at FFVII and Metal Gear Solid)

And IX has genocide and war criminals in it which is especially touchy considering what’s happening to Palestine.

>>714707353
>They are doing a good job with the VII Remakes
>that's why rebirth flopped and everyone hated it's ending
lol

>>714707534
Not really, Brahn wore a lot of make-up to make herself look like that clown, but by the time of the game she was under the influence of Kuja. Before then she was very kind and caring which is why Garnet loved her so much.

>>714707224
Fuck off, Why the hell is Rinoa Heartilly one of the most hated character in the franchise and Garnet is not? Rinoa makes you take one 5 minute detour so she can do something stupid and got caught by the villain thus requiring a quick rescue that doesn't change the fate of anyone or anything. Garnet makes you get one of your allies get turned to stone and puts all of your lives in danger, all to escape her crazy mother with a dangerous kidnapping attempt...than suddenly decides her mother was really a nice person that would stop being a genocidal murderer if she just asked her nicely instead of the evil scary monster that she put you all through hell and back to rescue her from...then ungratefully poisons everyone in the party, especially Zidane, the man who loves her, so she can go home and get captured again and placed in the evil ceremony that she was escaping from in the first place, thus getting even more people killed by her stupidity and ultimately giving the villains the weapons they use for the majority of the game to slaughter as many people as possible. And the player has to actually follow her through hours of gameplay of getting her back to the damn Alexandria castle and then rescuing her. And nobody ever calls her out for it. We're actually supposed to feel sorry for her.

>>714707637
>And IX has genocide and war criminals in it which is especially touchy considering what’s happening to Palestine.

>>714707619
>Writers used to know
They still do, it's jap ones that never knew and never will.

>>714707619
Then Jean came back.

>>714707224
Rinoa is a better love interest/waifu to Squall, Garnet wasn’t to Zidane, she treated him like crap most of the game and cared more about her psycho mom. The romance is supposed to be a main focus and fairy tale esque in IX and instead it sucked.

>>714707762
Beatrix committed genocide no matter how much you cope, coomer.

>>714699278
You smoking some hard crack. It’s not replacing the original it’s just part of the compilation. It’s not adding original cut content either it’s adding made up stuff as they go.

>>714700719
Horrible

>>714707029

>>714707964

>>714707916
Yeah well Claremont can't control what fuckers did with it after the fact

>>714707513
>Do you think she just casually strolled around Burmecia doing nothing
Going by the dialog between her, Brahne and Kuja it seems like the black mages were the one attacking the place primarily while Beatrix is there to lead the search for the king of Burmecia. You're basically proving my point by being unable to substantiate the claim of Beatrix killing anyone and simply relying on an assumption.

This thread is garbage. Watch as I now make the best post so far.

>>714707003
thread started off too well, it was too good to be true

>>714707916
>do you want to make out
What gay shit is this?

>>714706774
None of which she called out and held responsible for, not even by Zidane. Again the narrative just treats her as infallible. Zidane even claims in Pinnacle Rocks that “it wasn’t your fault, Dagger” like the simp that he is who isn’t rightfully getting angry with her for drugging him and blowing him off. Stop victimizing her.

>>714707619
>they have to pay for it in equal measure
Yeah, she becomes Steiner's love interest.

>>714707761
>Why the hell is Rinoa Heartilly one of the most hated character in the franchise and Garnet is not
Because Rinoa does a shitload of retarded things and not only never gets punished but actually gets REWARDED for it, falling upwards continuously for the entire game until she's a sorceress with a gigachad boyfriend.
Garnet continuously loses everything her entire life, Zidane is her sole consolation prize at the end and probably the only man who will hold her together.

doing a level level only playrun is hard due to the amount of exp given to your party.

>>714708094
It all went to shit after that square enix employee got trigger by people pointing out ff9's shit translation.

>>714708269
Becoming a sorceress was not a reward, it was a curse, one which she takes responsibility for by volunteering to be put in stasis to contain.

>>714708012
This guy disagrees with you: https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2025/06/lets-play-final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-6.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

>>714708285
You still haven't answered why anyone should believe your translation is more accurate than the official one

>>714708504
>he's STILL seething
Holy kek

>>714708414
>Becoming a sorceress was not a reward, it was a curse
Oh puhleaze, the story NEVER treated it this way and she gets literally everything she ever wanted. If R=U was actually the point of this story, sure, but it's fucking not.

any other recommended mods besides moguri?

>>714708067
That is completely contrived and unrealistic. It makes no sense how there wasn’t a single Alexandrian soldiers in Burmecia also committing war crimes (especially since they can be seen along with the Black Mages anyways in Cleyra) and orders the black mages around. It’s just lazy and contrived writing.

>always thought Vivi was a girls name thanks to One Piece
>suddenly has children in the epilogue.
>turns out Vivi is unisex.
damn, black magic at work. or the mist machine actually.

They were just following orders, anon…

>>714708269
Your mental gymnastics are ridiculous.

the things Dagger does make her come across as idiotic in a lot of places, and the game insists on forcing you to play from the viewpoint of people who have to like her. If you didn't like her, having to skip past hours of dialogue where Garnet nags at Zidane (or the players) to “feel sorry for her” is annoying, especially because we, the players, don't get a vote on whether Zidane somehow manages to find any reason to find Garnet at fault. Rinoa, at least, had more functionality in the plot than "the thing on the end of the string we're being pulled by."

Garnet’s major developments involve her doing extremely stupid and implausibly naive things and ruining the romance.

Rinoa didn't get millions of people killed through her idiocy. Nor poison her love interest and friends because they wouldn't listen to her demanding that the mad evil tyrant mother be talked down, because after Garnet went through all the trouble of escaing said tyrant mother, she suddenly decided the tyrant should be talked to. Nor drag me through a really long sub-quest with a painfully obvious conclusion any idiot could have seen miles away.

...say what you will about Rinoa, at least the characters called her out on her silly stunts, she learned to stop being an idiot, and nobody died because of her idiocy.

>that scene with Atomos vs Alexandria

>>714708910
This whole thread is starting to sound like the nuremberg trials.

holy shit you guys, the kingdom of Alexandria was an Eidolon the entire time!

which FFIX character fits slowpoke?

>>714708939
>to play from the viewpoint of people who have to like her
yeah, you can like a person despite her doing retarded stuff, and Zidane sees a kindred spirit in her, which is why he's so drawn to her to begin with
>Rinoa didn't get millions of people killed through her idiocy
purely because the story bended ass backwards to rescue her every time she did anything retarded before it would blow up into everyone's face like nearly sabotaging the assassination

>>714708743
Alternate Fantasy >>714705783

>>714709034
All the Eidolons summonings were cool

>>714691707
Fuck off XIVtroon

>>714708090
Hot rat

>>714708638
>she gets literally everything she ever wanted
Because she was an actually likeable character and not a selfish privileged bitch like Garnet.

Garnet is more arrogant. Garnet can't even wait for someone to tell her that she can't help the situation before she runs off and gets herself (and Zidane and the others) nearly killed, and tons of others killed. Refusing to accept that one is inept is immature. Refusing to even hear the argument because one's skills and/or status will ensure success is arrogance. And arrogance should annoy a lot more than immaturity.

the things she does make her come across as idiotic in a lot of places, and the game insists on forcing you to play from the viewpoint of people who have to like her. If you didn't like her, having to skip past hours of dialogue where Garnet nags at Zidane (or the players) to “feel sorry for her” is annoying, especially because we, the players, don't get a vote on whether Zidane somehow manages to find any reason to find Garnet at fault. Rinoa, at least, had more functionality in the plot than "the thing on the end of the string we're being pulled by."

>>714709253

>>714709290
>Because she was an actually likeable character
rinoa is compared to the god damned princess yoyo as one of the most despicable jrpg leads by japs

>>714709153
>purely because the story bended ass backwards to rescue her every time she did anything retarded before it would blow up into everyone's face like nearly sabotaging the assassination
Your mental gymnastics are insane, you are saying that you WANT mass murder to happed for the most contrived of reasons, which is exactly what happened in IX.

>>714691542
The only consolation is the background knowledge that Steiner could have surpassed her way earlier if he wasn't held back by the knights of pluto, and in fact does once the adventure unleashes his full potential

oh i was wrong, it was alexander vs bahamut

>Queen Brahne hunts for the crystal fragments and the pieces come together atop Alexandria Castle during the time Kuja attacks the city with Bahamut. Eiko and Dagger join their powers and summon Alexander, which destroys Bahamut, but is in turn destroyed by Garland's airship, the Invincible.

>>714708638
Becoming a sorceress was a tragedy for literally everyone that became one. Edea lost her marriage and peaceful life. And Adel, Ultimecia, and the sorceresses' from the rift in time were all killed by SeeDs. Becoming a sorceress in that world is like a death sentence.

>>714709404
>rinoa is compared to the god damned princess yoyo as one of the most despicable jrpg leads by japs
you got a source on that?

>>714708752
>It makes no sense how there wasn’t a single Alexandrian soldiers in Burmecia also committing war crimes
Either you have proof that it happened or you're just making assumptions, simple as.
>It’s just lazy and contrived writing
Yeah FF9 is a pretty bad game after all

>>714709428
>Your mental gymnastics are insane, you are saying that you WANT mass murder to happed for the most contrived of reasons,
i'd say "jumping into the lair of a major villain with nothing but her retardation to back her up" counts as a very major and not contrived reason to fucking despise her, before we even discuss her other fits of retardation

>>714709535
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/the-three-great-she-devils-of-square/

>>714709564
Garnet asked Cid for help because she knew her mother was going crazy, hence she planned on the escape. Therefore, Tantalus and Zidane risked their lives for her and she thanked Zidane by changing her mind after actually being given proof that she was right about her mother going on a genocidal rampage. And Squall and Rinoa had a real developed romance while Garnet and Zidane fell in love for being within five feet of each other for a long period of time despite Garnet ABANDONING HIM and blowing him off. Garnet pushed "naive princess" to insane levels - Rinoa was actually plausible and realized when she got in over her head (end of Disc 1, she flipped out when she realized her actions had consequences). I remember Rinoa as a fully fleshed out character with flaws and good points despite getting chucked a Distress Ball for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I remember Garnet doing this to herself over and over. It also bugs me that she's not supposed to be the main character, but almost the entire plot is about her, her whining about how she sucks, and her getting other people killed. Really interesting characters like Freya and Eiko get ten whole seconds of plot, especially Freya since her plot is never resolved.

>>714708156
It was from the latest X-book. It was about the Hellfire Vigil for Krakoa. Scott wasn't interested in attending. So he mopes about while Ben Liu keeps him company. So Ben "jokes" about wanting to make out with him. Ben also flirted with Magneto a few issues back as well.

>>714709153
>a person doing retarded stuff
>Zidane sees a kindred spirit in her

>>714709564
Rinoa makes you take one 5 minute detour so she can do something stupid and got caught by the villain thus requiring a quick rescue that doesn't change the fate of anyone or anything. Garnet makes you get one of your allies get turned to stone and puts all of your lives in danger, all to escape her crazy mother with a dangerous kidnapping attempt...than suddenly decides her mother was really a nice person that would stop being a genocidal murderer if she just asked her nicely instead of the evil scary monster that she put you all through hell and back to rescue her from...then ungratefully poisons everyone in the party, especially Zidane, the man who loves her, so she can go home and get captured again and placed in the evil ceremony that she was escaping from in the first place, thus getting even more people killed by her stupidity and ultimately giving the villains the weapons they use for the majority of the game to slaughter as many people as possible. And the player has to actually follow her through hours of gameplay of getting her back to the damn Alexandria castle and then rescuing her. And nobody ever calls her out for it. We're actually supposed to feel sorry for her.

>Leviathan is mentioned in an old memo written by Hironobu Sakaguchi for the development of Final Fantasy IX. Upon their first meeting, Princess Garnet would have rushed past Zidane and "a thief" (Marcus in the final game), and while the thief would have focused on Garnet's chest being slightly revealed in her formal dress, Zidane would take notice of the pendant she was wearing: "No, no, she was wearing the pendant of the summons permitted by only royalty. Deep blue stone... 'The Legend of Leviathan', was it Princess Garnet?"[7] This could refer to Garnet's royal pendant being the summoning jewel for Leviathan in the early story drafts. In the final game, Garnet is unaware the pendant is a fragment of Alexander's summoning jewel, although wearing the pendant is still a sign of royalty.

>>714709662
This video proves you wrong: https://youtu.be/v20LZL4aAnQ?si=Buo3PPTSQ4E5ElIs

>>714709763
>Rinoa makes you take one 5 minute detour so she can do something stupid
purely because the story refuses to actually give ramifications to her retardation

>>714709728
oh yeah, Zidane is not the sharpest tool either
he ruins the lives of others and doesn't really remember it
i'd say he and Garnet are a good fit