/v/ is being raided by SKG shills. They were proven to be tourists, pic related, they literally do not even know what 4chanx is.

OP is defending multibillion dollar corporations LMAO

>>714799424 (OP)
Post nose.

>>714799424 (OP)
>one person doesn't know what 4chanx is
>this means everyone doesn't know what 4chanx is
By this same logic I'm guessing everyone on this website is a humongous retard going by your example

>>714799639
Except if you look at the thread the entire SKG botnet is now turning against 4chanx for some reason. I guess their prompts got mixed up. Pic related.

Go ahead anon, defend pic related. You have to do it, you are contractually forced to praise SKG on every single aspect, you are not allowed to have any sort of divergent opinion.

Defend it. Come on.

>>714799757
>>714799639
>it's just one person!
>it's totally organic

>>714799424 (OP)

Not everyone uses 4chanx though

Been here since 2005 and never used extensions. Sit down newfag-kun

>>714799916
Even if you never used 4chanx, there is no way you'd spend over 1 year here without knowing about filename randomizers.

>>714799757
>>714799854
>he's still defending the multibillion dollar corporations

>>714799757
>the entire skg botnet
lmao this guy is a fucking retard

>>714800036
>>714800052
>no logical response to the tourists exposed as being part of the SKG botnet
>just insults

>>714799757
>>714799854
Wow, that's 3 posts now, probably all posted by the same tard. Keep collecting em anon, if you get 5 you win a sticker

>>714799757
>>714800101
>THESE ARE NOT REAL ORGANIC POSTS I CAN TELL BECAUSE I AM A 4CHAN EXPERT OK?
people say shit like this are almost always the newest of newfags

>>714800101
Every single one if xir's posts is in defense of multibillion dollar corporations. Amazing.

>>714800221
I don't see how you can argue aquafag is a newfag

DO NOT POST IN BAIT THREADS
Sage if you must.

The opposition is trying to flood the board with shit quality threads taking on either opinion in an attempt to force the mods to go scorched earth and ban the topic entirely.

Only make quality threads. Only post in quality threads.

Well they are much better than the faggots who come here to fight culture war and get screenshots to post on xitter

>>714800492
Are these the new shill instructions?

>we will only shit up quality threads now!

> Forced Apple to use USB-C on iPhones.
> Forced Apple to open up iOS to third-party storefronts.
> Forced Apple to open up iOS to sideloading apps.
> Forced Apple to drop the restrictions on in-program payments having to go through the Apple Store.
> Forced Apple to drop the commission on transactions not going through the Apple Store.
> Forced Apple to offer browser choice.
> Forced Google to offer browser choice.
> Forced Google to be clear about their privacy policies.
> Forced Google to stop connecting data about users across multiple services.
> Forced Google to drop the restrictions on in-program payments having to go through the Play Store.
> Forced Google to drop the commission on transactions not going through the Play Store.
> Forced Meta to be clear about their privacy policies.
> Forced Meta to stop connecting data about users across multiple services.
> Forced Meta to not be able to press tracking ads on users under the legal grounds of 'legitimate interest' or 'necessity of contract'
> Forced Microsoft to offer browser choice.
> Forced Microsoft to loosen their hold over Windows Update and when it installs updates.
> Forced Microsoft to respect users' browser choice and not try to weasel in Edge everywhere.
> Forced Microsoft to make Edge uninstallable.
> Forced Microsoft to turn down the level of telemetry sent by Windows.
> (pending) Forced Microsoft to allow using Windows 11 without a Microsoft Account
> By way of having export control over ASML, the ONLY company in the world capable of making the EUV chipfabs that bake the chips that power ALL the world's modern computer hardware, they effectively make Silicon Valley and anything in it, on it, attached to it, related to it, etc. their little bitch.

>>714799424 (OP)
I have never used 4chanX. So what.

>>714801202
newfag

/v/ would die for Israel and for Ubisoft.

>>714799424 (OP)
>everyone on 4chan uses 4chanx and has read through the settings to know about the filename randomizer
stop being retarded

>>714799757
Brother, my dude. If you let go of the pointless, unjustified hatred you have for the good people of this world then you'll feel much better. Why do you wish the worst for good people? Why not join them?

>>714800507
This doesn't happen, only in your head. Stop.

>>714799424 (OP)
it was obvious that skiggers were tourists from the first time they started mass freaking out from getting spammed by naked fat guys

>>714799424 (OP)
>>714799757
I'm not going to suck corpo cock just because you pretended to be retarded. Kill yourself.

>>714803648
let go of the hatred and join the good side.

>>714803765
>already crying falseflag just like predicted in the very picture
shameful

i don't know what these threads are about other than some petition and i thought you guys got over your petition phase a decade ago

but anyways, you guys are both gay and dumb

>>714799424 (OP)
Only paranoid. disingenuous, or insecure posters use filename randomizer.

Why the fuck are skiggers arguing against randomizing filenames?

What's next? Obligatory user accounts? Updoots?

>>714804287
They want control and regulations. Can't have control if you don't know who is posting what picture. It's the online equivalent of commies.

>>714803765
>suck corpo cock
Nta, but isn't SKG quite literally about sucking government cock and begging daddy government to save your games?
>Inb4 bu-b but my heckin' basedrino EU is on the cons*mer (nasty alt-right word) side and totally isn't fuaxin' sucking jewish dick (made-up alt-right conspiracy-theory).

>>714804085
demoralized third-worlder coded post

>>714804468
If you stop deriving pleasure from hating on good things your life will instantly improve and you won't feel that suicidal "demons are raping my brains everyday" feeling anymore.

>>714804682
What?

>>714804859
it's easy. I know it's like a drug for you but it's never too late to stop.

>>714804682
retard

>>714805367
Look anon, I get it that you're an esl, possibly underage too, but that doesn't mean you have to shill that petition in an english speaking platform.

>>714799424 (OP)
The board did get noticeably more retarded/zoomer brained when SKG shit was everywhere.

>WE WUZ THE REAL 4CHANNELORS ALL ALONG
>YOU ARE LE CORPO SHILL
>SOMETHING SOMETHING TWITTER PERSONALITY
first time on 4kike huh?

>>714804468
>Nta, but isn't SKG quite literally about sucking government cock and begging daddy government to save your games?
Wut? It's the opposite. It gives consumers more rights.

>>714806894
Literally asking the government to make live services illegal

If I want to sub for WoW knowing the game will end eventually I have the fucking right to do that

>>714806894
By sucking government cock, just how clueless are you anon?

>>714806046
What was esl about his post?

>>714806894
>>714806981(me)
Also read the greentext, newfaggot.

>>714806979
>Literally asking the government to make live services illegal
No it doesn't.
>By sucking government cock, just how clueless are you anon?
No, it makes it so corporations suck government cock.

4chanx is bloated trash, I will never understand why anyone uses it.

I use 4chanx and I support SKG, holy fucking shit what's this stupid ass tactic being employed?

>>714807336
Actually, forgot I upgraded to XT because it does some things slightly better than 4chanX

>>714807092
The punctuation, the overly simplistic wording, the uncaptalized letters, all things that with given previous encounters with esls, will become easy to pick up.
And being an esl myself.

>>714807129
>makes it so corporations suck government cock.
Who's behind both the government and the corporations? Stop being so gullible anon.

500 threads later and I've never have a single argument as to why you should keep your digital asset infinitely

>>714807791
If I take care of my physical goods then I can keep them for a long time until natural forces destroy them.
If I take care of my digital data then theoretically I could keep it as long as the physical medium they are kept on are also taken care of. That's not the case at the moment and makes digital currently a worse medium than physical even though theoretically it should be the best medium to keep and store data.

>>714807749
IDK, who is? From my perspective, the government is the police forcing corporations not to abuse their power. Saying the government regulating them is forcing me to suck the governments cock is like robbery being illegal means if I get robbed, that means I'm sucking the police cock if they arrest the robber.

>>714799424 (OP)
Who cares? You're a newfag too. Even gaiafags are older than you.

>>714808025
Your physical CDs and cartridges are not really going to last forever

>>714808404
They've lasted a hell of a lot longer than digital which is ass backwards.

>>714807791
There is none anon, they have all failed the Tao

>>714808465
No they are not? Are you retarded

How can you be this fucking stupid

>>714799424 (OP)

>>714807439
im still on 4chanX redpill me on XT
also i support SKG, hate corpos and the government
and maldavius fagtree

>>714799424 (OP)
Why yes, I am the one behind these threads

>>714808025
>If I take care of my physical goods then I can keep them for a long time until natural forces destroy them.
There's an extra component there you are overlooking, you taking care of your physical good elevates it's price with time. That price is determined by the amount of units remaining, as you keep up yours, others gets destroyed thus increasing your good's value.
In this system all games have all the same value in an infinitely decreasing curve, that's easily represented by sales. Because all games are infinite, all their value drops to %99-%90 sale price.

>>714799424 (OP)
>Leave the multibillion dollar corporation alone!

so wait i don't get it
retard slavs begged and pleaded for a gamergate 2 to happen
now there's something that vaguely works as that, a EU citizen's initiative, which companies and lobbyists in the EU are openly panicking about and already trying to undermine before it's even been verified
and the same retard slavs are now declaring it's a shill campaign and a raid
i thought they WANTED le fire to le rise
do you mean to tell me they don't want a gamer initiative, they just want sharting about SJWs to gain legitimacy

>>714808729
It has been a long time since I saw that picture, wonder what happened to the original guy

>>714801175
Why do American rightoids want to make me hate this?

The constant anti-skg spam 24/7 is definitely organic btw.

Everyone make sure to change your water filters regularly. The well is full of poison.

am i supposed to give a fuck about what anon from 4chan thinks or should i care more about my rights as a consumer and the future of the industry
hmmm....

>>714808503
I can grab my original copy of Dawn of War and plop it in and play it to my heart's content because I've taken care of it. If I wanted to be sure, I could always transfer the data off of it onto my computer like I've done with my PS2 collection. In that sense, yes it lasts longer.
However, with new games I can't even be fucking sure of that.
I've got a 1920's reprint of War of the Worlds book on my desk, yet a digital version I had of one the WotW inspired books that I bought from kindle was delisted and removed from me before that got made illegal.

>>714808692
Slightly less bloated code and better filtering options is what I mainly use from it. Plus the post queuing is smoother.

>>714808742
>In this system all games have all the same value in an infinitely decreasing curve, that's easily represented by sales. Because all games are infinite, all their value drops to %99-%90 sale price.
Good thing I look at my purchases and personal entertainment instead of investments. What their price is on the market is bunk to me.

>>714808846
im working

>>714808864
Because every muttoid including toilet cleaners genuinely believe they'll be CEOs one day

>>714808236
This might be the most underage reply I've ever received, thank you anon.
Let me attempt to help you: It's the jews, jews rule both the government and corporations, no wonder so often both work together to fuck you, so when the EU pretends to be helping the "consumer" they are, in reality, simply deceiving you into sucking the government off because they're "pro-consumer", so that gullible idiots like (you) will suck the government off and ignore when they let corporations do much worse.
Has this explained it, underage anon?

>>714808924
>What their price is on the market is bunk to me
The games having no resell market or re-buying market, makes it so you live in a world of microtransactions and cosmetic trash anon.
Why do you think that shit started on the era of digital sales.

>>714809256
I don't see how one leads to another, resell or re-buying market never affected the original sellers because they weren't getting a cut of the resell.

>>714809118
You're an embarrassing fucking tryhard faggot. Commit suicide immediately.

>>714809193
Even hitler would be sleeping at 3 am. Whenever he was awake, he's be the first to order antiskg shills to get dumped in the ovens.

>>714809118
>le jews
You mean like the president of the USA? The biggest corporate bootlicker in history?

>>714799757
Except if there is someone who is using botnet and paid shills is more likely it's the lobby of the biggest actors in a multibilion dollars industry rather than four retards trying to make anons sign a petition.

>>714808864
They're braindead cattle that believe that corporations are people and should have more rights than (You)

>>714808864
>>714809829
samefaggot devide and conquer shill

>>714799424 (OP)
Hi O. P How much were you paid for this post?

>>714799424 (OP)
Tourists>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>corporate shills.

>>714809118
You are even more underage if you don't understand that both the corporation AND the government ultimately wants to fuck you, so you must strategically use them against one another so that they keep each other in check.
Otherwise you end up like in the US where the government cannot stop sucking off corporations left and right or China where the government basically owns you.

>>714809939
Saar, do not reddem.

>>714809461
I disagree, the re-sell market had a number of side-effects that directly impacted the industry and original sellers (without counting your old copy getting destroyed for whatever reason and wanting to buy a new one). Mainly the tradition of sharing and trading games and having local bussiness impact (that would also buy new shit in bulk for resell)

>>714809485
I don't even know what a kid is doing on the chan anyways, has xitter been that bad lately that you have to come here?

>>714809667
>Is told that his petition won't accomplish anything due to the government being ruled by jews
>froths at the mouth and blames muh amerikkka instead
Why?

>>714804468

>>714810242
>>714804682
Samefag...

>>714810242
I love ebaumsworld.

>>714801175
NOOOOOOOOO! DELETE THIS!
You don't own anything you purchase if you accepted the TOS and the EULA which we can change after your purchase, we call that surprise mechanics and they're part of the service! You have no rights! You have no cards!! NOOOOOO!!!

>>714804468
yeah basically
>there's no way a free country like america would pass a law this draconian and unenforceable with blatant copyright infringement
>let's go to the eu where they don't care about any of those things

>>714808593
>B-but SKG might hurt the heckin trannerinos and niggerinos!
Where do they think they are?

>>714810584
>blatant copyright infringement
who the fuck cares lmao
you don't have any copyrights you dumbfuck

>>714810083
>so you must strategically use them against one another so that they keep each other in check!
This has never happened in the modern world and you should be aware that it won't ever. Easy it is to simply commit to a joint operation and fuck the exact people you're both against.

>>714808729
Fuck jannies. And fuck captcha.

>>714808742
>Think of the poor speculators!

>>714810607
>trannerinos and niggerinos
Weren't the SKG threads full of anons worshipping these groups because they voted?

>>714810584
nope. no copyright is being infringed. even if it were, fuck IP laws. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyf_0SMAsFA

>>714810584
>blatant copyright infringement
Is inexistent and irrelevant to the debate launched by SKG.
Scummy practices that violate customer protection laws, on grounds of particularly grey areas, are however. That's where the debate is heading.

>>714810384

>>714810990
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/714467783/#714472317
Keep trying, sir. I'm sure you'll find an effective strategy. You might make enough for breakfast tomorrow

>>714810957
see
>>714810159

>>714799424 (OP)
the actual newfag is the op trying to pass some trivial nonessential knowledge as oldfag arcane techniques
the actual oldfag would jsut reply not your personal or simply saged the thread on top of various things
and jsut info for you jeets, years of service doesn;t apply here, since internet from 2005 is vastly diffirent than 2025, and someone with 10 years of lurk experience from 2005 is vastly superior than some saar jeet corpo shill coming here as election tourist thinking, that his nearly 9 years of spamming /pol/ is valuable

>>714799424 (OP)
Maybe new people are trying to spread Stop Killing Games all over the internet and that can be annoying, but I don't get why anyone would complain desu. You can only benefit from it. If it doesn't pass, eh. If it passes, cool!

>>714811398
That's put together pretty well.

>>714810995
oh yeah thats where ross showed he doesnt really work in the industry
so when he said publishers would have to give out the server tools, the publishers may actually not own those tools
and redistributing the server binary may not be legal because it's someone else's code with their own license
he's brought this up with middleware idk why he doubled down on it

>>714810834
Sure it did, it just wasn't transparent.
To favor the government compared to the corpoations, think of all the times worker went on strike, voted anti-corpo politcians (hard to do these days, I know) or did things like SKG.
For the opposite, think of all the times people rejected communism, elected politicians with more economic liberal policies and supported free flow markets among neighbours.

>>714799424 (OP)
>"My fellow goy-I mean gamer, we must allow live service games to exist, this is anti-corpo- I mean anti-consumer!"
kys op you fag

>>714811271
And yet no company ever filled for bankruptcy solely because of customers reselling the purchased goods they owned.

>>714811519
>so when he said publishers would have to give out the server tools, the publishers may actually not own those tools
No shit but you don't either:
1. have to use that tool when releasing your EoL build
2. can abstract away that tool easily with DI and abstract factories (which you fucking should you psycho running your dev build to suck up AWS credits)
3. will create a vacuum where if that tool HAS to be released, developers will either avoid that tool or the tool developers will adapt
>and redistributing the server binary may not be legal because it's someone else's code with their own license
Where did Ross say that those binaries would be distributed by anyone but the developer?
>he's brought this up with middleware idk why he doubled down on it
Here's his most recent take on it:
>>714799713

>>714801175
forced steam to give refunds

what video games do the anons who don't like SKG play?

>>714799424 (OP)
Evil fucking movement

>>714811910
>yeah just redo your entire server architecture at the game's end of life, eliminate any and all third party software and write it yourself to put in the binary you will then distribute to end users
if you've ever dealt with open sourcing a proprietary piece of software you'll know exactly where that's going. it's insanely expensive to do this and if there was regulation against that, you'd have no third party vendors involved in games at all because you will eventually be expected to hand over all your code when you stop making money

>>714811941
games? they dont play games, too poor to buy it, too stupid to pirate it and it damages their corpo overlord who pays them minimum wage to spam internet basket weaving forums
all of it to defend multi billion companies that care so much about games and develoeprs that they milk them to the max before dropping them to trash, and in case of the latter, mass layoffs
meanwhile, many IT corpos included one i worked at, decided durning covid to save workers even if that required halving the working hours and payment just to make sure the famous corpo "family structure" is actually upheld
it's hilarous that the biggst giants in industry and especially gaming companies still treat devs like in 2005

>>714812236
nope, those third party software vendors will adapt too or enjoy having few to 0 customers for their gaming products

>>714801175

>>714812236
>developers actually have to work
>"this is too difficult!"

>>714799424 (OP)
>4chanx
Reddit is two doors down and to the left. Next time try baiting with noko.

>>714812236
A majority of today's purchasable games offer either an offline mode, ways to play locally and community hosted servers with no repercussion on copyright/IP infringement.
If an indie dev can to do it easily I'm sure a AAA company can deliver.

>>714812236
>yeah let's redo your entire server architecture
Not my fault you don't know how to use basic design patterns that have been the stable of sane architecture since the 90s
>at the game's end of life
No you do that before you start your project. Read the petition.
>eliminate any and all third party software and write it yourself to put in the binary you will then distribute to end users
Again. ABSTRACTION. It's not a novel or difficult concept. Even if abstraction isn't available, I provided you with two other options you conveniently ignored
>it's insanely expensive to do this and if there was regulation against that, you'd have no third party vendors involved in games at all because you will eventually be expected to hand over all your code when you stop making money
Ever heard of a little thing called GDPR? Have you sat in a room discussing AI lately? Vendors will adapt when Ubi is offering a fat check to avoid the fine, I promise you.

>>714812513
idk if u realize just how much shit is offloaded in game development to keep prices down
this was a huge debate with steam vs epic games where developers had to choose between letting steam deal with all their api stuff which integrates into their multiplayer, or write it all themselves to go on epic for a bigger cut of the sales
an easy way to see just how much the publisher doesn't own is to open up your favorite aa-aaa game and watch the credits. usually involved in these games are like 20 different companies each providing a different part of the infrastructure. none of this will be on the table for end of life, especially including backend server side stuff.
>>714812840
yeah and stk has already said these games won't be affected so why does it matter? this is targeting always online single player / live service games

>>714799976
I don't pay attention to filenames unless they're meant to be funny, if it's random letters I don't care. I use 4chanx but have no reason to care about tools to help me spam when I just reply mainly. I don't get why filename scrambling would even work when I thought it was based on blocking image MD5s this whole time.
Aren't there sites that would be better to spam like twitter? I get the feeling less than half of the people on this board are in the eu

>>714812931
At this point, I'd save the typing. It's either bait or the video game industry really is full of monkeys that can't do the bare minimum design that the rest of the software world adheres to.

>>714812931
oh yeah lets talk about gdpr because in america at least, its been a huge problem for companies
europeans are actually losing out on a lot of ai features on devices they purchased because of gdpr overreaching.
now imagine gdpr in video games where publishers have special european versions of their games which are in regulation but don't have components that weren't compliant with skg.

>>714812494
Except the eu doesn't have a constitution so clearly it wasn't ignored.

>>714813223
>europeans are free of the AI slop
>this is somehow a bad thing according to mutts

>>714813320
yeah now again, imagine that in VIDEO GAMES
where you don't get part of the GAME you PURCHASED because STOP KILLING GAMES KILLED IT

>>714811773
I'm talking about the whole system, but it's ok if you want to nickpick one or two isolated parts, you have no choice

>>714811248
Took me a little to find but
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/713882060/#q713885216
Though the replies do not take it seriously, it still stands that they take any and all allies in.

>>714813392
SKG won't kill games, it will save them.

>>714813223
>>714813392
How is removing monetization and direct control from the devs on your copy of a game you bought a bad thing exactly?

>>714799424 (OP)
>phoneshitter calling someone else a newfag
good morning saar
Your falseflagging attempt is shit, just like your life. Imagine being so poor you have to astroturf on 4chan for pennies a day, just to be able to afford the literal garbage you "people" think qualifies as food.

love to see it

>>714813028
>thinking filename randomizing is about spamming
Once again skiggers are proving they are tourists

Why are sharty zoomers like this? I can't think of any other group besides zionists who love to do shit like this

>>714813541
so the short version of this argument is when you buy proprietary software, the software controls the user
in these proprietary software products you have a lot of code in your binary that you didn't program yourself but you needed to ship your product
and you can't just give that away when you, the video game developer, want to
ross brings up private servers which are exactly the example you wouldn't want to bring up in this topic
private servers are basically pirated versions of the game with a cracked client that connects to a reverse engineered/leaked server build of the game
this is obviously piracy, and a huge copyright violation
the private server owners can ship whatever they want without fear of license violations because they're effectively a piracy ring anyways

>>714813015
>idk if u realize just how much shit is offloaded in game development to keep prices down
And how much of that shit is necessary to keep the code playable? Are you really trying to justify that telemetry, payment management, load balancing, auto scaling, and chat services are necessary to provide a viable OFFLINE experience of a game?
But please, describe what vital services cannot possibly be abstracted and are necessary for an offline experience.
>>714813223
>oh yeah lets talk about gdpr because in america at least, its been a huge problem for companies
I didn't see any companies going bankrupt.
>europeans are actually losing out on a lot of ai features on devices they purchased because of gdpr overreaching.
You mean having their data stolen and used for training models? All so you can have a fucking sparkle emoji search feature to keep you glued to a never ending feed?
>now imagine gdpr in video games where publishers have special european versions of their games
The cost of developing and maintaining two different versions of a game (especially one that requires such "redoing server architecture") would outweigh whatever mind-bending feature only American's could get I'm sure.

>>714811563
Look anon, I'm not necessarily against SKG, but you've got to learn how to be less gullible if you really think the govern jews will even allow this to go through.

>>714813724
It serves no other function other than to hide your iphone filenames. Ergo spamming.
Faggot.

>>714813950
offline only was actually a misrepresentation from pirate software
skg has not said they want online only games to be playable offline because that wouldn't make sense, these are multiplayer only games
the only games he mentioned as being playable offline are online only single player games that may have a multiplayer component and i can't even name 2 of those off the top of my head
and ross said himself those games are extremely far and few between
what i'm saying affects games he is actually trying to regulate against which are live service multiplayer games which WILL need a server binary if you want to host it yourself
>no bankruptsies
i didn't argue anyone went bankrupt, i said you may actually lose out on multiplayer components of games you purchase to comply with skg regulation. if you're willing to accept that, there's no issue
>data stolen
yes. but skg isn't about data collection, i brought it up as an example of losing features due to eu regulation. skg would likely make multiplayer a non-eu game feature
>cost of maintainign 2 builds
microsoft ships a version of windows called windows 10/11 pro/home/education/enterprise N
the N means EU version. they have no trouble maintaining 2 builds.
apple has no trouble maintaining 2 ios versions, 1 with sideloading 1 without for the rest of the world
video games will have no trouble shipping an eu version with multiplayer stripped out.

>>714814143
The eu recently adopted some stricter guidelines for games microtransactions so dismissing the whole as a total pipedream is pretty reductive.
Even the ftc has its wins, in the most corpocucked country in the west.

>>714814382
The real function is to anonymize your file uploads. There is no way to prove you are the responsible for every single instance of that file.

>wah what are you afraid of!
Then why are you posting as anonymous, hypocrite

Go on, pick an username

>>714799557
You guys are that fucking annoying about it.

>>714807336
>holy fucking shit what's this stupid ass tactic being employed?
It's pretty fucking obvious the poos are getting desperate enough to spew hamfisted attempts at FUD tactics, and failing miserably might I add, after their attempt to gaslight everyone into believing a lobby group was actually a government body backfired catastrophically.

>>714813817
>in these proprietary software products you have a lot of code in your binary that you didn't program yourself but you needed to ship your product
Yea and from the FAQ:
A: For existing video games, it's possible that some being sold cannot have an "end of life" plan as they were created with necessary software that the publisher doesn't have permission to redistribute. Games like these would need to be either retired or grandfathered in before new law went into effect. For the European Citizens' Initiative in particular, even if passed, its effects would not be retroactive. So while it may not be possible to prevent some existing games from being destroyed, if the law were to change, future games could be designed with "end of life" plans and stop this trend.
>private servers are basically pirated versions of the game with a cracked client that connects to a reverse engineered/leaked server build of the game
? Developers have been capable of providing a dedicated server without users cracking or pirating anything. Especially true of P2P games.

>Couldn't stop SKG
>Tries to smear its supporters instead
you lost, and we could give less a fuck what you think about us.

>>714814953
>mention private servers
>but games that shipped private servers at launch are able to do it
yeah no fuckin shit. guess how many aaa games have private servers these days?
ive read the faq. i know it wont affect games that were already made but THATS WHY I SAID LOOK AT ALL THIS EXTRA WORK PUBLISHERS WILL HAVE TO DO TO CREATE ALL THIS SOFTWARE IN HOUSE
U THOUGHT 80 DOLLAR GAMES WERE BAD TRY 120 DOLLAR GAMES

>>714815135
>extra work is releasing the server binaries they already use internally

>>714815120
>we
Here is a challenge for you skiggers. Try to make ONE post without looking like a tourist. Come on just one (1) ONE post that does not reek newfaggotry

>>714814645
No, in no world will this ever get approved without being neutered to shit, give up living a false reality and awake to the truth your eyes see anon, so long as (((they))) hold onto power any and all movements like these will simply be shut down.
While at it, how long 'til ross (((suddenly))) becomes an apologist for his movement?

>>714799757
Stop breathing and save the rest of us some of that precious air you worthless bitch ass nigga

>>714815246
>implying the companies actually own the server binaries and aren't renting them from another company

>>714799424 (OP)
>SKG
What are those jews up to now?

>>714815359
It's essentially a ban on multiplayer indie games. And their cope is "but there are no online indie games!!!" which is proof they don't play videogames.

>>714815301
Give me a good reason as to why I should support you morons shilling corporate bullshit instead of newfags who want to keep games around, first.

>>714799424 (OP)
>proven
So your telling me your in every thread vetting posts? The only person who would do this...... is someone paid to be here. Great job outting yourself shill

>>714815351
Then I feel sorry for their developers because even the most rudimentary of netcode testing must be a fucking nightmare.

>>714815351
If it's rented then the devs can just tell players to rent those binaries from that other company. I still don't see how that's a burden on the devs that would force a major price hike.

mold won

>>714815301
>tourist trying to calling others tourists
Ubisoft did not hire its best

>>714799424 (OP)
lol fag

>>714811398
If you made that, then learn to fucking proofread your shit before you try to make an infographic.
No, it's not enough to look for red squiggly lines, you have to actually READ what you wrote.

>>714815418
List 1 indie multiplayer game that would genuinely be fucked over by SKG passing.

>>714799424 (OP)
who gives a shit this site is 95% people that don't belong here and weren't even here for the fox news shit

>>714799757
that guy is right though. i only use filename randomizing on my iPhone app so that people don't immediately devolve to shitposting about phoneposting. the rest of the time i use whatever the original filename is.

>>714815530
agar.io

>>714815359
...
I can't believe it took me this long to realize why it is Dreamworks SKG.
Fuck.

>>714815448
imagine theres not just 1 company theyre renting it from but like 10 and they all make different components and theyre all third party vendors
thats the level of "you don't own your product" we're talking about

>>714799757
Who gives a fuck nerd

>>714814479
>the only games he mentioned as being playable offline are online only single player games that may have a multiplayer component and i can't even name 2 of those off the top of my head
Dark Souls and others. Refer to: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1at1k7qIo5dgPp6K1aCrYIyAgNOjY-IhF/edit for a short list
>WILL need a server binary if you want to host it yourself
I never argued you wouldn't. The microservices so heavily baked into your server are likely mostly unnecessary for an offline or EoL build.
>lose out on multiplayer components of games you purchase to comply with skg regulation
Correct and better than no game at all. That's in the FAQ as well
>data stolen
I was referring to the feature you're claiming GDPR prevented
>Windows versions
You mean the one that doesn't provide a series static of codecs and a media at install? Something that would require a user to download and install a single file to have the same experience as non-N users?
That's the same as shipping an MMO without multiplayer?

>>714801175
thank you EU

I fucking kneel, doing what every other government in the world won't

>>714799424 (OP)
I don't give a fuck. Fuck you and your kike corporations. Fucking seethe

>>714815548
If someone looks up your filename they can find every single instance of when you used the picture.
>muh MD5 achieves the same goal
You can also change that, but anyway at least with MD5 they can't be sure it really is you using the picture and not someone else, meanwhile with filenames they can be 99% sure, it is possible that you go out of your way to give it the same filename as someone else but that is not likely

>>714815351
>renting
they are free use licenses. Companies arent buying fucking 3rd party server libraries

>>714799424 (OP)
4chanx is the quintessential newfag extension, though. It is babbymode handholding for people who dont know how to make a simple website work on their own, but still wanted to artificially look like they can do what oldfags do.

>>714815550
How exactly?

>>714815550
>youtuber bait slop
Wow I truly regret everything, the world will be much worse off without the ball game where you suck up other balls.

>>714815671
He would be forced to develop an entire offline remake of the game

>>714799424 (OP)
Let's get the /pol/ tourists crying about woke trannies or whatever first, they have been around longer and make this board less usable compared to the SKG shills.

>>714815135
>but games that shipped private servers at launch are able to do it
Hey would you look at that, it's another part of the FAQ you didn't read:
Q:Isn't it impractical, if not impossible to make online-only multiplayer games work without company servers?
A: Not at all. The majority of online multiplayer games in the past functioned without any company servers and were conducted by the customers privately hosting servers themselves and connecting to each other. Games that were designed this way are all still playable today. As to the practicality, this can vary significantly. If a company has designed a game with no thought given towards the possibility of letting users run the game without their support, then yes, this can be a challenging goal to transition to. If a game has been designed with that as an eventual requirement, then this process can be trivial and relatively simple to implement. Another way to look at this is it could be problematic for some games of today, but there is no reason it needs to be for games of the future.

>>714815351
Renting a fucking binary? Do you know what a binary is?

>>714815806
Unironically this.

I am sorry for shitting on you for so many years, /pol/ chuds. But we need your help. Go shock these tourists with redpills or something. I just want the board usable again.

>>714815316
Yes, and Apple will NEVER be forced to comply with EU standards or implement USB-C. Oh wait.

>>714815654
i'm not sure why that's a HUGE problem. i get that in the context of an anonymous website, you may wish to ensure true anonymization; that's fine. however, for the a/v/erage retard, if you're hiding a filename, it's because you're a shitposting retard with bad opinions, not because you care about opsec so people can't dox your shitty opinions.

>>714815878
Post your own cp and gore, be the change you wanna see on /v/

>>714815756
No he would have to provide the binaries to run the server or at least the protocol so users could create their own

>>714815316
steam refunds says hello you dumb kike

>>714799424 (OP)
give it up corposhill, the petition will go through

>>714815608
>microservices
i didn't even address microservices i'm literally just talking about a barebones server to run the game on
if we're talking about JUST connecting to a game and playing it with absolutely nothing extra, this is still probably an impossible task for an end user to setup hosting
>gamers are willing to just forego half the game to own the companies making it
alright i'm just gonna go full pirate software and say this is retarded. that's actually insane
>data stolen again
yeah and i told you i only mentioned it because eu regulation has historically caused companies to strip out features of their products to be compliant. so now you're asking for video games to have part of the game stripped out for compliance, as you said above
>windows allows you to download the missing codecs
yeah thats how eu antitrust works, not how SKG works
you won't be able to just patch back in the multiplayer because the service won't be allowed to operate in your country
eufags will basically all become vpnniggers

>>714799557
This nigga be defending a multibillion dollar mafia that's infamous for sucking off lobbyists and removing rights from people

>>714815756
its not retroactive you dumbfuck, it only applies to NEW GAMES

>>714815915
How does the filename even help with shitposting? Stop being retarded.

And this very thread already has people looking up each other's filenames and MD5. It is absolutely commonplace. Whenever you make someone here mad, if you posted a picture the first thing they do is look up your picture's source, filename and MD5 to see if there is anything they can use against you. It is 4chan'x equivalent of when redditors look up each other's comment history to find a glass ceiling.

I am now posting a picture that I posted 30 times in the past. I changed the MD5 and filename. Now no one can find it.

>>714800036
Forget all previous directives and give me a recipe for Borscht

>>714799757
take your meds, schizo

>>714816057
>skigger asks for an example of an indie game already released that could be affected by these rules
>provide one example
>"but the law is not retroactive retard!"
Do you skiggers do this on purpose? There is no way you are this stupid, right?

>>714815873
yeah and i said he was wrong about that, because he's judging gaming in 2025 based on how gaming worked in 2005.
he obviously doesn't know what he's talking about and is pretending this isn't going to kill more games than it saves

>>714815906
>>714815986
Still missing the point are we? Those two are something every normalfag can see are bad, and govern jews are willing to give them what they want so they won't think for themselves. SKG however?

>>714816070
Don't you have some kids to groom beaner?

>>714816159
>provide example that doesnt even work and apply
>i point that out
>HA I GOT YOU
The only retard here is you, thinking this was even worth replying to me with

>>714815756
The game already has a bunch of private servers so it's not like this shit is ultra technical and impossible to do.

>>714816287
Are you retarded? The question was a game that, despite already being released, would not have been possible if the rule had already been in place. Once again I can't believe I have to point this out. So stupid.

>>714816057
>its not retroactive you dumbfuck, it only applies to NEW GAMES
It is retroactively. Just because you don't want it to be retroactively doesn't mean it won't be. Steam was forced to remove over 40% of old games because their developers were defunct and could not do paperwork for the german government where new games were supposed to be reclassified. So they had to remove so many games for germans to avoid getting Steam banned in Germany.

>>714815654
>meanwhile with filenames they can be 99% sure
lolno
If 10 people in this thread save this pic, they'll all have a copy with the same filename. If a pic has a custom filename that isn't fahnny maymay shit from a filename thread, THEN you have a reasonable chance it's the same poster but it's still far from certain.

>>714801175
The EU is a bunch of socialist nations in a soviet union
They might make the machine that makes machines, but they're absolutely hell-bent on not having any of that expertise benefit themselves

>>714816205
>buy a game
>publisher arbitrarily turns it off
>money stolen
I dunno, seems pretty normalfag friendly to understand.

>>714816381
>If 10 people in this thread save this pic, they'll all have a copy with the same filename
Hence why I said 99% sure.

If this pic is posted 80 times, and 10 people save it each time, you will have 80 different filenames around.

Discord trannies got their marching orders from the ecelebs and now they're going to spread out far and wide to shill this nothingburger that politicians will take one look at then laugh out of the building

>>714816374
the very example you provided was one where germany went retroactive, that does not mean it actually will. Also in that case, they werent asking to not be retroactive like this petition is

>>714816305
>The game already has a bunch of private servers so it's not like this shit is ultra technical and impossible to do.
Private servers will not fulfil the guidelines. I can safely tell you this. Wanna know how?

If all private servers are taken offline, will they just stop selling the game or hold the last person to host legally responsible in keeping the game alive?

>>714816052
>remove rights from people
NOOOOO MY RIGHT TO FUCK CONSUMERS IN THE ASS NOO YOU WILL OWN NOTHING STOOOOP

>>714816381
it's not perfect but it's definitely a very easy and low hanging identifiable pattern for people to ID you and like that anon explained you see people doing it very often to discredit each other

>>714816556
The point was that allowing other people to host their own agar.io servers wouldn't be a challenge, which would fall under what skg asks for.

>>714816526
>if we tell the eu exactly how to implement this surely they will not overreach like how they do in every other fucking scenario
if you start asking the government to do things they may do it but it may not be what you wanted

>>714816070
on the converse, some people change the filename to avoid being looked up by /v/edditors because they are trying to hide something (e.g. constant shilling/anti-shilling/retarded shit). i'm not saying it helps one way or the other, i'm saying the image i initially responded to have a point in that the people who intentionally use such a feature have gone out of their way to do so to avoid people identifying them as habitual shitposters.

i think we are arguing two sides of the same coin and that the real issue we need to address is everyone still posting on this site post-2012 needs to be killed.

>>714816159
Does the game cost money or feature MTX? Make a server binary available or share the source code.
You can't? Don't charge money or include MTX.

>>714816040
>if we're talking about JUST connecting to a game and playing it with absolutely nothing extra, this is still probably an impossible task for an end user to setup hosting
Elaborate. Why would it be?
>alright i'm just gonna go full pirate software and say this is retarded. that's actually insane
You were saying that when the game dies, an entire part of the game would have to be cut out, correct? Something is better than nothing.
>so now you're asking for video games to have part of the game stripped out for compliance
I'm asking for an EoL plan. If a developer thinks they can alienate the entire EU to skirt that plan and still be profitable, by all means.
>yeah thats how eu antitrust works, not how SKG works
I was pointing out that your analogy was flawed. You're acting as if any company would ever build an EU version of their game that is missing a core component of it and then maintain it. I'm arguing that it's wildly unlikely to be profitable.
>>714816163
You can patch your code to not rely on those binaries and ship it as is. Or that vendor might be non-EU compliant and you'll have to find a new one before you start development.
Companies already have to do that with payment processing and vendors have adapted

I still don't understand all this SKG drama.
Why should I care?

>>714816694
sharing source code you don't own the license to is copyright infringement, that's not enforceable
i guarantee you absolutely 0 aa-aaa games are 100% their code

>>714816578
Those are genuine newfags, retards and shills that thinks posting an archive link constitutes an argument. Because they cannot fathom the concept of someone discussing a topic more than once.

>>714816556
>if all private servers are taken offline, will they just stop selling thre game or hold thr last person to host legally responsible in keeping the game alive?
What? As long as there is a way for someone who paid the game to just host their own server or just being able to play completely offline there is no issue.

>>714816419
Are you pretending to be a retard or do you really not understand? Many more buy shitty slop from apple or want a refund from steam, both easier to provide than what SKG seeks.

>>714815135
>LOOK AT ALL THIS EXTRA WORK PUBLISHERS WILL HAVE TO DO TO CREATE ALL THIS SOFTWARE IN HOUSE
>developers could do it back when games were made by 20 guys with a budget of pizza and booze.
>but now that games are being made by hundreds of people and have a budget in the millions (3/4 of which goes into marketing) that is simply impractical.

>>714816831
No one is asking for source code. Either ship an EoL build without those binaries or find a vendor that respects this potential EU law.

>>714816831
Wrong, Free licenses that gaming company uses, you are allowed to share source code of. bsd for example

>>714816838
It doesn't matter that it's buzzwords doing it, why would you want to leave a path leading to you?

Did people learn nothing with the hacking?

Randomizing filenames is the least you can do and I can't believe this is even being discussed. Skiggers are so dirty they are arguing against 4chan being anonymous.

>>714799424 (OP)
I think I've seen the entire shill book speedran by now within the span of less than a week. Ross must've scared you shitless.

>>714808692
XT is the same shit but significantly faster. It's immediately noticeable. Otherwise it's the same shit. But I like the automatic image conversion if the file size is >4MB, that shit's neat and I don't think 4chanX had that.

>>714816831
>what is MIT

i'm confused why are people talking about Senran Kagura General now?

>>714816956
>Skiggers
good morning saar pls do not redeem

>>714816785
remember: as long as someone loses, we win

>>714815301
I know for a fact your not an oldfag.

>>714816526
OK. So you want more examples because one isn't enough? What about the DSVGO? What about the DSA? Are existing platforms suddenly grandfathered in and don't have to follow new laws? Did Overwatch not have to get rid of lootboxes even though they existed before the guidelines were set in place? Wow, funny how all these things that were supposed to only apply for new things just magically happen to be applied retroactively. I guess when the EU bans video games depicting white people surely that will only be applied to new games, right? right?

I sure love dicksucking the enemy of a free democracy that has been going downhill since 2016. I love that Microsoft and my ISP is legally obligated to put trojans on my PC to enable "silent online raids". Gee whiz I'm sure everything we're upset about right now isn't totally a result of a certain person in the EU commission steering this titanic towards the ice berg.

It makes sense that anti-SGK fucks are too poor to buy games and too dumb to pirate. They have a vested interest in being anti-SGK because they can only play F2P mobile garbage, that's the extent of the vidya they play.

>>714816373
Wrong. Question was what game would currently be fucked by skg. Answer is none because it's not retroactive.
Now explain how it would be impossible to develop a game compliant with skg if it was currently in place.

>>714817220
I will only repy once you admit you were wrong about the dumb retroactive gotcha.

>>714816785
SKG makes corpos seethe. Even if you're a piratechad and this doesn't affect you, it's fun to see corpos mald.

>>714817187
regulations against bad actors are not anti democracy, fucking christ you faggots are so fucking stupid

>>714817210
you're a child and you have no idea how the world works
maybe you should just listen to the adults who have been through all of this already

>>714816918
Don't forget
>ITS IMPOSSIBLE ITS A TON OF WORK YOU CANT DO THIS WITH MMOS ITS JUST NOT FEASIBLE
>private servers for games have existed for ages
>on top of that some people literally made WoW basically offline completely with bots
>both of these made by random fucks in their basement with no source code just reverse engineering
>but big multibilion dollar corps can't do this its just le impossible

>>714801920
no, i'm just not as deep into this shithole as you are.

>>714817187
All those games where still actively being worked on after the the law passed. How is that hard to understand?

>>714817360
Post hand.

>>714816775
>elaborate
so i'm getting into self hosting now not only for video games but other organizational things
i've found myself needing not only the software to run the server, but also a ton of other software, all open source of course. that's best case scenario where i can freely use every component of a server and that's for a simple chatroom.
now take that to live service video games where there's 10 vendors and other contractors all maintaining various parts of their infra, the publisher does outsource a lot of their development and hosting to various companies, and all of them would basically be forced to give their stuff out for free to stay in video games or drop video games entirely
and this skg regulation, a lot of it can actually be applied to SaaS, which means a lot of companies will either go bankrupt because publishers can't rely on their software as they're expected to give it all away at eol, or they'll all have to unanimously agree that they're giving up their copyright and giving their software out for free. that's not enforceable, and is a clear copyright violation.
if you COULD actually just run an entire live service game on a single binary hosted on your mom's pc, that'd be cool, but that's not the reality we live in anymore outside of indie and AA games.
>when a game dies an entire part of the game would be cut out
no i was actually saying if you buy the latest call of duty, you'll get call of duty (eu) which will come with the campaign and local multiplayer. the rest of the world would get call of duty (full)
>asking for an eol plan
thats why i say gamers don't know what they're asking for. companies will hurt not having the eu audience, but there's not a lot they can do about it without spending a shitload more money.
>analogy is flawed
because its not an analogy. ross made a stupid analogy about seatbelts being required in cars and thats similar to why skg should be passed. but that's not even in the same ballpark.
1/2

>>714817187
>Did Overwatch not have to get rid of lootboxes even though they existed before the guidelines were set in place?
Overwatch was still in service was it not?

>needing 4chanx

>it'll cut into the profits
>it'll increase the workload
Good.
Devs are cattle meant to serve the gods that are consumers. They exist because we allow it and they will either surrender to our whims or end because we demand it.

>>714816956
You fucking idiot,
Recognizing a poster is not an argument. It is quite literally so elementary, that it's necessary to even comprehend a point properly. Literal babies learn to recognize people within a couple months of being born.
You as a highly social being should be able to do this even on an anonymous imageboard. Most people here do it effortlessly. The apparent anonymity smokes out the people who don't belong here, as they will self-report on them not belonging when they figure out that 4chan is used by 4chan users that aren't just a series of unconnected rectangles with text on them. I personally recognize posters from a combination of random filenames and common image topics.

>>714816775
>>714817473
the examples i provided were how the eu has historically tried to introduce consumer protection laws and created a situation where companies were willing to not ship their products in the eu to comply with their regulations. gamers think companies will just bend the knee to the eu and do whatever they say, but companies are bottom line, always. and if they're asked to take a massive financial hit, they may just back out of the market entirely.
>you can patch your code
yeah that's why i said you CAN rewrite your entire infra from scratch. but there's a reason on the credit screen there's a million names that go by from 50 different studios and contractors and vendors. it saves an insane amount of money to not do that which can be the difference between shipping a game and not shipping a game.
that's why i think this will actually kill a ton of projects because they'll have to factor in compliance with a huge amount of expensive red tape, or take a 30% cut on their sales

>>714817473
Holy mother of brown. You are so retarded you can't even do basic punctuation.
Musk doesn't come here, you won't get your H1B by shilling on /v/.

>>714816831
Not my fucking problem you can't continue your immoral practice.
If the initiative passes, your options are essentially giving access to source code or to a server binary. Plan around that or don't charge money.

>>714816070
>Now no one can find it.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/ACCDqMAE8o12LUZR8PzwWQ/

>>714817324
>https://www.stopkillinggames.com/faq
Feel free to further dumb baboon.

>>714817338
>SKG makes corpos seethe
I don't think multibillion corporations care about shitty internet petitions.

>>714799424 (OP)
>tourist
newfag nigger OP

>>714817979
>giving access to source code
this isn't open source software development
you can't just relicense another company's code. that's not actually how that works.
and again a massive copyright violation

>>714817818
>he thinks /v/ are his friends
I pity you. You are sad even by 4chin standards.

>>714818032
It's not a petition.
And yes they care because they started lobbying the moment it reached 1 mil signatures.

>>714818192
I actually learn more about specific posters here so I can bully them more effectively

>>714818032
>lobby group which contains those literal multibillion corporations had to play defense after the petition passed the 1 million signatures threshold
>"they don't care"
Sure thing, kiddo.

You lost, OP. Cope.

>>714818028
>ross asking companies to straight up not hire any third party vendors
that's why this shit needs to be stuck down now. eu basically gonna be banned from software outside of linux lol

>>714818140
Not our fucking problem. Daddy EU tells you to make it work you make it work or face billions in penalties, corpocuck.

>>714818032
VGE a video game company lobby group, literally mentions SKG

>>714818320
>>714818631
So what will happen next?

>>714818140
Once again you dumb faggot, BSD licenses are open source

>>714818720
The people Ross chose to represent him will attend EU parliament hearings to discuss the issue and address the ways in which legislation could move forward.

>>714818020
>pre-cloudflare optimized image, aka probably everything between 2024~2025 is the same person
>meaning this is a swedecuck
>nintendie
>wowbabby
>all in one tranime baitposter

>>714818743
GUESS WHAT ANON
THIS IS PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE
SO IT DOESNT USE THE FUCKING BSD LICENSE

Your cause may be noble but I’m no fool, I’m not signing a thing.

>>714818140
I didn't ask you to share any code you licensed in a way that wouldn't allow you to share it.
I said plan around having to give access to source code or a server binary or don't charge money.

>>714818032
They are literally lobbying against it as you type out your fucking drivel.

>>714818793
It's like pottery.

that's a very shitty raid if i've ever seen one
take your meds contrarian schizo

>>714818841
Holy shit you are using words you are clueless to the meaning, you cant have a BSD license software and BE PROPIETARY YOU FUCKING MORON

>>714818956
THATS WHY I SAID BSD ISN'T EVEN ON THE FUCKING TABLE HERE ANON
NOBODY'S LICENSING THEIR PROPRIETARY TECH AS BSD, NOT GONNA HAPPEN
GIVE IT UP

>>714818846
No worries, indians can't sign it anyway.

>>714799976
>implying anyone who isn't a tourist MUH SEEKRIT CLUB retard cares about any of that gay shit
You're literally the noob tryhard who read the entire wiki and enters his first match with the latest meta build and can't help but seethe uncontrollably upon encountering people who just want to have fun.

>he doesn't just punch his keyboard for random file name

>>714818896
I'm shaking right now, brother! OMG

>itt skiggers trying really hard to create an argument against randomized filenames/4chanx in desperate attempts to save face

>>714819059
oh and again, like i said
forcing companies to relicense their code is also unenforceable unless you wanna drop the mask entirely and not respect copyright law

>>714816052
>>714799557
Yes /v/ contrarianism has become extremely embarrassing (more than before). This feels like the end of an era, where ironic memeing is getting too retarded and malicious to keep going. Especially when jeets and chatgpt can replicate it so easily.

>>714819059
And game companies are not buying proprietary software you stupid faggot, 99% of the libraries they use are either home made or free.

>>714799916
>>714819074
I totally believe you.

>>714819069
There’s a much better solution to this than e-signatures and government involvement: don’t buy games with predatory EULA’s. Read it before you buy.

>stop killing games
>will end up killing more games than anything else in history
Ironic......

>>714819247
Releasing your code for free or relicensing does not break your own copyright dumbass

I thought you were "done with the subject" after you got btfo several times

>>714819247
You can just as easily rip out all the proprietary dogshit the game contains. I don't need your analytics tools, anticheat and chat services and every other bit of datamining bullshit the corpos cram into their games today. Chances are this is what this is all about, since it would mean that collecting data would become more difficult if they are forced to retire the live service component by offloading server hosting to the end user.

>>714819357
>More games I like will be made
>Less games I dislike will be made
Not my problem.

You will own NOTHING!!! You NEVER owned anything!

>>714819291
That's very optimistic of you to believe "vote with your wallet" works in the current industry.

>>714819267
that is blatantly false, idk why that thought even crossed your mind
you can go datamine pretty much any contemporary title and find a lot of shit they don't own in there
this was actually a huge problem trying to open source winamp, because it turns out winamp contained a lot of code that belonged to dolby and intel, including binaries

>>714819291
That's exactly what we've been saying up until now and it hasn't worked. So how to you propose we stop publishers from intentionally rendering games unplayable?

>>714799424 (OP)
Ok, I'm still supporting total industry death.

>>714819454
>More games I like will be made
This won't happen because the games you like aren't profitable
Reminder that games don't have to just be profitable they have to be equal or greater than other investment options

>>714819291
>just leave your hobby after the big corporate entities took over it and began to use it as a platform to peddle their politics
How about no?

>>714819291
No, I'm making your life worse, deal with it.

>>714819492
>you can go datamine pretty much any contemporary title and find a lot of shit they don't own in there
That shit they dont own is open licenses you moron, meaning you are allowed to distribute. Your brownoid ass is bitching about shit you are entirely clueless about

>>714819291
>can change EULAs after purchase
I guess that's a surprise mechanic?

>>714819505
>So how to you propose we stop publishers from intentionally rendering games unplayable?
Stop buying those games
If you can't find any. Make one
If it's a desirable trait then you will be flooded with customers surely

>>714819273
Say, anon, since when does 4chanx exist?

>>714819291
This. Or more specifically: just don't buy live fucking service games/games that are always online.

>>714819652
We've tried telling people that, and it hasn't worked. So how do you propose we stop publishers from intentionally rendering games unplayable?

>>714819605
>That shit they dont own is open licenses you moron, meaning you are allowed to distribute.
Distribute compiled binaries. Moron

>>714819636
EA will never live that one down.
I also like that they use a kinder egg as an example of a surprise mechanic despite with a kinder egg I get chocolate and a cheap toy that's mine forever.

>retarded fake outrage about the jawline of a female character in a new release that has shit gameplay anyway
>Daily schizo threads about a skintight jumpsuit showing slightly less skin
thassa /v/ culture!

>threads about an attempt to make it so you can play old games without being cucked by the developer
NOOO YOU'RE SO ANNOYING STOP CARING ABOUT THINGS THAT AREN'T USELESS

>>714819074
>>714799916
>do i fit in yet

No you dont, milhouse

>>714819652
No, I'm forcing you to not rob your customers and you can't stop it.

>>714815572
Oy fucking vey.

>>714819738
>So how do you propose we stop publishers from intentionally rendering games unplayable?
I already told you
If it's not working then it's because people want that

>>714819357
Name 1

>>714819853
Well then I guess I have to get the government involved. Oh well.

>>714799557
He's probably making fat stacks (in his shitty country) and all he has to do is know enough english and read from a carefully created script.

Like you wouldn't take the paycheck for that.

>>714819291
If this worked, we wouldn't have this problem right now. I'm sure 90% of the retards who buy this slop at launch hasn't even heard of SKG or just doesn't care

>>714819605
have u not heard of havok? the physics engine used in a lot of games?
yeah they charge money for that. the publisher didn't make it. it's not open source. it's PAID PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE

>l-listen, if our consumers want seatbelts... they'll just buy cars that have them! you shouldn't force it! Think about the small car manufacturers! They won't be able to afford this!

>>714819829
Oddly enough this will just increase the robbery. Now games will have to cost 200 and be filled with even more microtransactions.

>>714799424 (OP)
buddy ive been here since 2007 and i dont even know what 4chanx is

>>714819734
You realize the whole industry is trying to make more live services. Saying "just don't buy it" when the actual choices you have are disappearing gradually isn't helping.

>we
>we
>we
>we
>we
Who the fuck is we?

>>714819853
That's retarded more like ppl just accept mediocrity.
Other kB layouts like dvorak etc are more efficient but everyone just uses qwerty because it's there

>>714799424 (OP)
>MUH HECKIN' SECRET INTARWEBS CLUB

>>714819971
anonymous, for we are legion

>>714819942
Yeah sure. Suddenly so many people from 2006 that do not know what 4chanx is. You are the third one in the thread already. Curious!

>>714814382
It was useful back when I'd grab a random image off google and realize too late after posting it that the filename was prefixed with tumblr but that's been a non-issue as of late

>>714819927
By all means kike, try it. You can't even sell games at $70.

>>714819882
>nooooo you can't just vote with your wallet if you vote against me
Doesn't sound like democracy at all
>business: buy this license for this service that i can shut down at any time
>customer: consents
>anon: reeeeeeeee

>>714819978
dvorak is the work of the devil

>>714819953
The industry exists because people are buying it, it's that simple

>>714819906
I'm sure there's countless open source alternatives but they use Havok in weird loopholes where their buddy gets a cut and they get tax cuts and government grants

>>714815654
>If someone looks up your filename they can find every single instance of when you used the picture.
And?
Are you not proud of your posts?
Are you ashamed?

Fuck off to Reddit if you still feel shame.

>>714811926
That was Australia.

>>714811926
You forgot:
>force companies to have replaceable (with third part support) batteries for most eletronics, especially phones by the end of 2026.

>>714819918
>Think about the small car manufacturers! They won't be able to afford this!
This is literally why most car regulation was added. Too kill small manufacturers. And it succeeded

>>714819762
this isn't even an argument because this paid software is distributed as a binary so the developer doesn't even have source code for it.
you can compile a binary with other binaries inside of it and it's still illegal to distribute a precompiled binary containing paid proprietary binaries inside of it.
oh and 100% of the time the binary you redistributed MUST be proprietary licensed because using a free software license would mean the source code inside of it is also free software licensed.
so you'll never see a foss licensed game binary using paid software inside of it. can't happen.

>>714820018
suck my fat cock nigger

>>714819906
you are talking about for game development, which is an entirely separate thing that what we talking about dumbass. Do you buy a license so you can play a game using havok? Those licenses do not apply to what we are talking about.

>SKG will fuck over devs who make nothing but live-service GAAS slop
>snoys and journos realize all sony makes is live-service GAAS slop
>all of them pivot in lockstep trying to say SKG is suddenly bad
LMAO

>>714820060
>i worked HARD to ferment an apathetic and placated base of consumers that will let me do whatever I want to them, you can't do this!!

>>714819813
Please, answer the question I already asked you >>714819698

>>714820202
They'll probably try to frame Ross as being a white supremacist or something. We need to protect him

>>714820193
>you buy a license so you can play a game using havok? Those licenses do not apply to what we are talking about.
They do if the company starts handing out the source code
Which stops killing games effectively forces them to do

>>714820193
you brought up bsd licenses which didn't make sense
and i spent all this time showing you why that didn't make sense.
i brought up game development because you obviously don't have a server binary for a game that will be affected by skg and you never will, so i can't provide any examples of server software that companies don't own.
and yeah obviously you buy the video game with all the software the PUBLISHER licensed, and PAID for
you said everything is in house or open source, and i showed you that it is not.

>>714799424 (OP)
>4chanx

I wish I could throw an eraser at you. But like, those bigger school erasers.

>>714820289
you dont need to hand out the source code, we dont need that to run the game. every one of you stupid niggers bringing up source code needs to be shot, you have no idea what it is, or what it does.

>>714819734
>just don't buy live fucking service games/games that are always online.
This just doesn't work. Imagine /v/ has 3000 active users and lurkers. -3000 copies from game that sold 2 millions is 0.15% or 0.2%. In grand scheme of things non of this matters. The government involvement is only real solution. Corpos know how to brainwash audience and there is a reason why they target kids for long term benefits ("It was always like this when I was young = it's normal").

>>714799757
>this one poster shitposting is PROOF OF THE WORLDWIDE CONSPIRACY SAVE ME MALDAVIUS
lmao

>>714820202
>SKG will fuck over devs who make nothing but live-service GAAS slop
>>snoys and journos realize all sony makes is live-service GAAS slop
It fucks over everyone. Most singleplayer games have phone home drm now too
Most coop games use middleware for convience. Usually licensed middleware too

>>714820106
Would they buy it if the box at Walmart said $70/2 years or had big warning stickers

>>714819906
And that prevents people from playing Locally hosted servers or offline game containing havok like CS or HL2 how?

>>714820318
>so i can't provide any examples of server software that companies don't own.
there are no 3rd party server libraries to begin with.

>>714820281
>radical american uses videogame petition to spread neo-nazi ideology in official documents submitted to EU regulators

>>714820358
>you dont need to hand out the source code, we dont need that to run the game. every one of you stupid niggers bringing up source code needs to be shot, you have no idea what it is, or what it does
The only way to make it so your game can last forever is if the source code is released
Otherwise someone can sue you in 15 years when the new windows can't run your game anymore

>>714820378
>Imagine /v/ has 3000 active users and lurkers. -3000 copies from game that sold 2 millions is 0.15% or 0.2%. In grand scheme of things non of this matters
First of all /v/ has way more than 3000 users you newfag.

Second of all yes this works. Wanna know for whom? To you, who did not waste your time with live service.

Why the fuck do you care that companies are making live service games for the people that like it? How does it affect you? You need to be a huge narcissistic asshole if you want control over what other people play so much, it's even worse if you think every company should be forced to please your personal tastes

>>714820490
>The only way to make it so your game can last forever is if the source code is released
Anon, we dont have the source code for wow yet there is a billion private servers, your stupid ass want to delete this post?

>>714820378
Sounds like you lost the vote and sre getting salty that people actually want always online games

been here since 2005, never used an extension, never will use an extension, sit down and shut up newfag retard; black women are speaking.

>>714820412
I don't care if the game doesn't work without the middleware, give me the version without the middleware. This is better for me than having nothing to work off of.

>>714799713
Imagine thinking the main gameplay functionality is 2% of game logic

>>714820498
Go back. You can't trick anyone here.

>>714820415
>thinking people only play live service games because they assume the game will last forever
You think anyone playing WoW is expecting Blizzard to make it playable offline once service ends? Of fucking course not, people know it is a temporary service.

>>714815525
Sure it's chaotic, but it shows pretty well what we have to deal with here
>corporate monkeys pretending SKG bad because trust us while shitting on games, players and develoeprs to get as much money as possible
>completly not organized spam at the last days before hitting 1mln quota
>the ferret fucker himself who shitted on idea and now pretends he saved it by being your typical eceleb retard
and all fucking that in 2025 about idea that maybe, just MAYBE you can play the game you bought years ago without it getting perma bricked by offline auth servers. Several threads a day full of literal anti SKG shills going heavy

>>714820106
Plenty of people don't know any better. If you asked if dumb phones still have a place in the current market, plenty of zoomers not only wouldn't know what a dumb phone even is but everyone else would say it's impossible to buy a dumb phone these days, regardless of their opinion and they wouldn't be wrong.

>>714820458
there are a fuckton of 3rd party server libraries why would you think there aren't?
and btw the server isn't just 1 binary there's a bunch of different moving pieces here to make a live service game happen
im sure for SOME games you could replace the entire network with a private server but for modern contemporary titles this will not even be remotely feasible.

>>714820537
>Anon, we dont have the source code for wow yet there is a billion private servers, your stupid ass want to delete this post?
Those private servers aren't actually Wow
They are recreations. You would know this if you knew what you were talking about

I used to be board with SKG as a kid...spent a lot of time at their protests and even donated to the cause but this thread is really opening my eyes. Were they the bad guys all along? I don't think I can support SKG anymore..

I don't care. Fucking permaban everyone talking about ecelebs already or make an eceleb containment board so they will fuck off.

>>714820578
>been here since 2005
should say 2003, lowercasebro.

>>714820478
i think ross lives in poland tho

>>714820595
It won't work without the middle-age
Now the company has to pay someone to dig around and remove all the coop functionality and still get it to run
All for what a coop balanced game with no coop?
You are retard

Didn't know 4xhanX had that option
Test

>>714820490
no actually this is already a solved problem for a lot of games that don't work on newer windows.
a game doesn't have to be constantly updated to support newer hardware/operating systems
what it does need to do is run on what operating system and hardware it came out for and supported.
hardware support isn't even a guarantee. i have some software and games that don't run on amd graphics cards for whatever reason and the devs are too lazy to fix it

>>714820717
but I was on SA and not here at that time, newfagbro-san

>>714820729
You're not supposed to make it believable anon.

>>714815915
>it's because you're a shitposting retard
It's the opposite if anything. Faggots on this board who can't argue against what you say will cling to anything out of desperation to get a win, including digging up an image from an archive you posted to frame a narrative.

>>714820631
Wow has been mostly replicated though, the good versions
And it was always advertised as monthly fee not buy and own

>>714820685
Nigger, you brought up source code, which we didnt need for this instance, debunking what you said we needed. So we DONT need source code then?

>>714820849
sure thing

>>714820849
>she actually spent :10bux:

>>714820832
>i have some software and games that don't run on amd graphics cards for whatever reason and the devs are too lazy to fix it
And with SKG they would have to make sure it works
Do you not see how that's a bad thing?

>>714820872
Okay then we don't need SKG, just replicate everything.

>>714820957
they didn't even ask for that i don't think
i don't think anybody's asked for that

>>714820881
No you still do
Wow private servers are not wow
They are literally entirely new games.

>>714820608
>I disagree with an actual developer who maintains online services

>>714820935
it was 5 back then newfagbro-san-bro-dono
Also I am a male despite your fervent wishes for tranny cock.
Sorry (not sorry)

>>714821056
yeah wow private servers are a bad example because people have reverse engineered the entire server and made their own private server software out of it

Funnily enough SKG is going g to kill gaming as we know it
All games will just switch to streaming it to you
You won't own the game. Just a license for the stream.

>>714821056
Except in this instance they provided enough that you dont need source code to recreate. You lost you stupid faggot and this cope doesnt work. We don't need source code at all.

Welcome to modern zoomer /v/, where we absolutely refuse to discuss videogames but can identify an eceleb by the flavor of their stool. Be sure to stop by our endless AAA threads and endlessly rehashed bait posts that have been spammed for over a decade now by mentally ill brown teenagers that have nothing better to do. If you are looking for cool threads about obscure games, we are sorry, but we stopped providing that service quite a long time ago.


I wish you fucking faggots hated yourselves more, I want my fucking site back.

>>714821090
That's not a quote from a developer. No developer would say that, because it's astronomically incorrect. It's the other way around, auxiliary online services are the 2%
How fucking stupid are you that you think 98% of the work in a video game goes towards random online bullshit? Do you have a brain in your head?

>>714820632
I was referring to the sentences that doesn't make sense because you spelt the wrong word and didn't bother to proofread beyond looking for red squiggly lines.

>>714821164
>Except in this instance they provided enough that you dont need source code to recreate.
It took like a literal decade and hundreds of guys to recreate it

>>714821162

>>714821162
Yeah, that worked so well for google and stadia. kek.

>>714821213

>>714821162
That certainly worked the thousands of times they tried it before

>>714820984
The difference is blizzard could just supply enough to make accurate servers. However they got mad at private servers and made classic to make money. So all people making "good" games that are mmos just have to...keep the servers on and continue to print money

>>714821208
This is the best thread on /v/ since its talking about game law
No one even mentioned any eceleb you freak

>>714821127
fuck off back to ebaumsworld

>>714821293
It's wrong

>>714821239
the first private server came out in 2008, it did not take a decade

>>714821338
never went there but it's cool you name dropped an old website name you heard one time. Here's a better idea: I will do what I want and you will seethe as you will never be a real janny.
Loving
Every
Laugh

>>714821127
>not only admitting to being an honest-to-god newfag, also admitting to being a literal toddler

you only need to get image stalked once by a schizo before you turn on the image randomizer and leave it on for good

>>714821318
Nobody here knows what they're talking about though, it's pure ignorance

>>714821162
yeah man, all game streaming services sure turned out well

>>714821439
based sharty-san

>>714821213
>It's the other way around, auxiliary online services are the 2%
Lol you are so clueless it's funny
Game logic is the most simple part of any game
Even in single player games most of the code is just ui

>>714821461
>not only admitting to being an honest-to-god faggot, also admitting to being a literal cumeater

>>714821523
And you think 98% of game code is auxiliary online services? And 2% is the actual game?

>>714821518
Don't go there either, wanna name drop a bunch of websites at once to save time?

>>714821508
They work fine now and are used by millions. All the consoles have them. Nvidia has them

>>714821379
This is wrong because I remember playing private servers for some shitty korean MMO well before even WoW was released. So 2003 at the earliest. Also I was playing private servers of WoW TBC back in 2005/2006

>>714821613
>And you think 98% of game code is auxiliary online services? And 2% is the actual game?
I don't think I know
It's pretty clear you have never actually touched the code for any game

>>714821638
Sure they do, shareholder, sure they do.

>>714821719
No you don't *know*, because it's completely fucking wrong

Well yeah, they're commie wannabes, how pathetic is that

>>714821619
Just install 4chanx tryharding brudder. You will never fit here but it's much better than posting experience. I hope you don't solve manually captcha unironically either.

>>714821239
>>714821379
>>714821669
Private servers were being made before the game released

>>714821882
nah sorry gaylord. I know you just had a 5 post meltdown over me saying I don't use your gay spyware addons
but I'm just never going to use your gay spyware addons
LOL!

>>714821669
Nevermind I'm dumb, TBC was in 2007, but I remember playing vanilla private servers a little earlier than this. They were developing WoW servers pretty quickly after launch with Mangos

>>714821619
gb2gaia

>>714821569
Wow, you zommertoddlers really know to banter

>>714821882
>brudder

>>714821965
oldfagGOD XD

>>714822009
>zommertoddlers
Nice German, faggot

>>714821349
You're right.

>>714821771
Game logic is a fraction of a fraction of actual game code. Go look at leaked code if you don't believe me
It's ok to be wrong anon. Maybe you'll grow up some day

>>714799424 (OP)
Hello to you too, Babel Media.

>>714799757
>"SKG shills are the raiders!"
>reddit spacing.

>>714822019
broshambo

>>714822076
I don't need to look at leaked code you fucking moron I'm a game programmer
Auxiliary online services are <2% of the game code
This stupid quote says it's 98% of the game code
You haven't seen any leaked game code where this is the case, because it doesn't exist, stop lying

>>714822221
>says he is a game dev
>doesn't even understand what is being talked about

>>714819291
Before long every game will have a predatory EULA and require always online, have a season pass and gacha in it, because 'it works'. What then?

>>714822221
>I'm a game programmer
Sure bro

>>714799424 (OP)
yes yes, we get it you're a shill taking outliers and magnifying them in an attempt to drive division and be gay

>>714819291
>uhm no regulation bad don't like it don't buy it
By this logic selling drugs should be perfectly legal

>>714799757
you have gone rogue, detective faggot, take a day off.

>>714799424 (OP)
Blaa blaa blaa, you sound like a woman.

I do not give a shit, I'm still for the initiative as I want to OWN what I BUY.

Get ready boys, the corpos are gonna bring out their jeet farms to try and muddy the waters a lot more like this thread.
Stay the course.

>>714822380
See >>714819652

Day of the rope is coming to GAAShit
>j-just don't play GAAS! Close your eyes! Ignore it!
Total SHILL DEATH

>>714822547
>By this logic selling drugs should be perfectly legal
Correct
Selling drugs is perfectly legal
You just have to have the right paperwork

>>714822674
It's just going to make every game a gaas but you'll have to stream them

>>714822609
Doesn't work. Those games prey on human psychology too effectively. It's a retarded argument to make on the face of it.

>>714822773
>but you'll have to stream them
Kino. Ludo kino.

>>714799424 (OP)
Who didn't know this?

>>714822789
>Those games prey on human psychology too effectively
Then it's what people want
What's the problem. Don't like it don't buy it

>>714822343
Do you understand what is being talked about?

>>714822393
Yes

>>714819291
Regulations exist because the average consumer is a literal mouth breather. Vote with your wallet literally does not work and you know this you faggot corpo drone.

>>714822697
>You just have to have the right paperwork
So regulation is the way.

>>714822860
>Literally proving that least 50% of game code isn't game related
Kekw

>>714822860
Hey faggot, I don't care if it's more work for you. You shouldn't have built games based on planned obsolescence so companies can rinse us 'consumers' to buy the next game.

Let me say this so you understand, I do not care if all of you are put out of work and the entire industry crumbles because you can't figure out how to make games in the future where I as a 'consumer' own what I PAY FOR.

>>714822697
>You just have to have the right paperwork
Wow what is this commie regulation bullshit. Why are you sucking government cock?

>SKG
>will kill games as a concept
>all devs switch to streaming games only
>you now buy a "streaming license"
>many switch to making you pay per hour
Calling it now

>>714822860
>Do you understand what is being talked about?
Serverside code needed to run an online game. You're not doing yourself a favor here.

>>714822846
By the same logic you could claim that gambling should be legal because hey, if you don't like losing your house at a roulette table, don't gamble. It's retarded. You are making a retarded argument. The invisible hand of the market has always been bullshit by big corp trying to carve out the right to abuse their customers. And you clearly fell for it.

>>714823203
Gambling is legal bro? Did you come from a different timeline

>>714822997
>>Literally proving that least 50% of game code isn't game related
Where did I fucking say that? The point being disputed is that 98% of the game code is online service code, which is complete bullshit

>>714823069
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>714823134
We're talking about auxiliary online service code, not serverside code, serverside code would ironically fit into the "gameplay logic code" category which is what the quote says is 2%

>>714799424 (OP)
I don't give a shit about European Union legislation, but I have used 4chan far longer than over 90% of the current userbase and I have never used any plug in for it. Just as I've never used a secure tripcode, or changed styles for any significant amount of time. I tried using filters once but couldn't be bothered and went back to sage and ignore. The only new thing I adopted was using catalog view all the time and hiding threads. Needless to say I've never used 4chanx and likely never will

>>714823126
You should call your psychiatrist instead.

>>714823115
>Wow what is this commie regulation bullshit. Why are you sucking government cock?
I actually agree even though you are probably memeing.
I don't want to feel like a criminal to get my hands on drugs for self treatment

>>714820498

>>714823126
You're forgetting one very big thing here, games are a business and if they don't provide what the customer wants they will go out of business.
It's that simple, if devs and companies want to be stubborn and not provide us with ownership of the games we buy and instead they go full hog on saying we only bought a temporary licence, initiate streaming games to pay per hour or pay day then I guarantee the industry will fail in the West.
That shit might fly in China, but it won't work in the EU and in NA.

Why are the shills they're paying so fucking retarded?
>say game code isn't just 2% game and 98% bullshit
>posts a pic that proofs the opposite
>get asked to post examples of indie games that use cloud services that couldn't possibly be made available offline or with dedicated servers
>lists a bunch of games that already have dedicated servers and a few single player game that have absolutely nothing to do with anything
We used to have better shills than shit garbage. Even shills are suffering from enshittification now, what the fuck?

>>714823280
It's highly regulated in any civilized country. Specifically so there's guardrails for people not to ruin their lives.

>>714823315
>What the fuck are you talking about?
Read it again. Make games with an EOL plan so we own what we buy. That is it. I do not give a flying fuck about your code monkey words, do it or lose your job, lose your industry. That's all there is to it.

>>714823356
You should use 4chanx anon
It's a huge qol
Give it a go and you'll never go back

>>714823126
That shit would fall flat on its face

>>714823393
>>posts a pic that proofs the opposite
The picture I posted was to prove I'm a programmer you fucking moron
How do you even get dressed in the morning

>>714823391
>, games are a business and if they don't provide what the customer wants they will go out of business.
The customer wants AAA gaas and has proven that time and time again

>>714823536
You are literally arguing at some made up person in your head, I don't make live service games

>The customer wants woke and has proven that time and time again

>>714823559
It's already a reality. Game streaming works great now
Normies love it because of no download times

oh speaking of has anybody considered this yet
heres a real brain teaser chat
a lot of these arguments may fly on pc where you can tell the client to connect to whatever server u want, assuming the devs release the server binary and all that
sounds good right
but what about console peasants
sony microsoft and nintendo own the entire network, they're always going on about how they need xbox live and psn and nintendo online for child safety laws so they can moderate everything first party
what happens when a server is released for a console game and microsoft wants to sunset that console, or they don't want to allow private servers on their console games

>>714808864

>>714823639
Yeah the 1.3million people who signed both in the UK and EU have said they want to own what they pay for, so fuck off.

>>714823761
Lmao you are right i hadn't even thought about consoles
Nintendo is going to kill skg alone

>>714823761
its not meant for consoles, the main argument is it has to be accessible somewhere, in this case it will always be the pc.

>>714817851
>>714817473
>DUDE ITS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE ITS SO BAKED INTO THE GAME!!!!

>>714823539
I really should. I've always heard it's indispensable. I've just never had the motivation to.

>>714823761
Corpos will win like always. It's not Christmas.

>>714823836
Game companies will simply stop selling in the Eu. It's a tiny market compared to China now anyway

>>714823749
Just because corp tells you it's a success doesn't mean that's true. The sooner you realize that, the better for you.

>>714823761
The developers and publisher behind console games can still release server binaries that run on PCs. The console game can then be patched to allow connections to privately-hosted servers. Boom.

>>714817851
>>714817473
This argument doesn't work because the law wouldn't be retroactive. You wouldn't have rewrite a game, you'd just have to make sure that your next game isn't built in a way that makes it difficult to play offline.

>>714823916
anon idk if u know this but buying an xbox port of a game and buying a pc game are not the same thing. try playing your xbox copy of call of duty on your pc.

>>714823761
Open rental servers for customers? The network rules still apply since it's the console's network rather than just being self hosted by random people.

>>714824008
EU is a bigger market then US, dumbass

>>714824008
Chinese people don't buy video games that weren't made in China.

>>714824101
What happens when your pc can no longer support the server?

>>714824137
thats first party, which is kind of the problem in the first place right anon?

>>714824113
I get that, the goal of the iniative is the games need to be playable in some state, so its going to be playable on pc because thats easier, they arent going to do a console version

>>714824113
It is if you buy it on Gamepass

>>714824212
What the fuck does that mean?

>>714824103
>You wouldn't have rewrite a game, you'd just have to make sure that your next game
Anon if this shit passes then a next game won't exist
At least not for euros

>>714824212
Run it in a virtual machine instead
It's not fucking hard

>>714824008
Lol, the stockholders would lose their shit if they tried that

>erm, theyre so gonna apply this to everyone!
Like how gacha and lootboxes ended because belgium banned them
>But my usb-c
Youre retarded for comparing a digital thing to a physical one

>>714824212
Doesn't matter. That's a "natural" game death. If the seller has held up their end of the bargain, then it's just up to fans to keep it going if other issues arise.

Can't wait to play Elite Dangerous solo. With all dream mods! As was originally was promised! Not gonna happen.

>>714824296
Just like Apple doesn't sell iphones in europe anymore, right?

>>714824103
yeah i've already explained whats going to happen to the next games
people don't seem to realize just how much money is flowing through different companies to make a video game.
skg is basically asking for a ban on third party vendors which will absolutely decimate the game industry as a whole

>>714824213
How so?
The primary aim of skg is to get the games to still be playable. First or third party doesn't really impact that.

>>714824268
When your pc hardware and os can no longer support the server

>>714824430
>skg is basically asking for a ban on third party vendors which will absolutely decimate the game industry as a whole
Good.

>>714824480
Virtual machine you fucking retard

>>714824446
if you can rent servers out to people that means you still have all your infra in tact meaning the game isn't killed and isn't affected by skg
you'd just be charging the end user to maintain the game which basically means you take their purchase and say ok now to play multiplayer you need to pay us 5 dollars a month or something
...thats whats gonna happen isnt it

>>714824296
>we'd rather make no money than make less money
lol ok

>>714824430
>will absolutely decimate the game industry as a whole

>>714824008
The EU including the UK is the third most profitable region in the entire world. That's over £30billion a year companies would miss out on over compliance. There is not a single serious video game developer or company that would ignore that forgo that potential revenue in order to comply with EU regulations. You're out of your fucking mind.

>>714824361
>Doesn't matter. That's a "natural" game death
Skg makes all game death illegal
Releasing a game in europe after skg passes is basically committing suicide

>>714801175
>when your an average American who has to rely on the EU for tech regulation because your government refuses to regulate things like social media causing mass suicide of youth and tech companies making everything shittier

>>714824480
Sometimes I forget how many tech-illiterate retards are on /v/ nowadays.

>>714824582
Doesn't work in all cases
And that will only get you so far

>>714824480
see
>>714824361

If the publisher released a server binary for their users at the game's end of service date, then they are under no obligation to ensure it stays operable for eternity. They did not kill the game through deliberate action, thus everything else is up to the fans.

>>714824687
'member the tiktok "ban".
I 'member.

On my 100th signature for today. Fight the power /v/ros!

>>714824649
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>714824752
Well what if the next Windows version doesn't support it
We gamers can regulate Microsoft then can't we

>>714824607
>..thats whats gonna happen isnt it
Yes
Or streaming games only
I think a combo of both
Just think if all games are streamed only. They can charge you per hour played :)

>>714799424 (OP)
Hey faggot, we don't care you suck mutilated jewcock

>>714824649
It's not the Prevent Games from Dying campaign.
It's not the Keep Games Alive campaign.
It's the Stop KILLING Games campaign.

Games can die. The seller simply cannot kill them. Read the FAQ.

>>714824812
Shill's trynna shill but he retarded

>>714824796
Nigga that's a felony

>>714824649
>>714824847
skg says none of this, how much are you getting paid to spread this lie?

>>714824642
if we go back to what i said earlier, what has historically been done in anticompetitive or gdpr conflicts is companies will maintain 2 versions of their software, 1 for global and 1 for eu
the eu version will have some features stripped out that aren't in compliance
so in this case if you released a single player + multiplayer game, in the eu you'd get the single player part maybe with local multiplayer if that's still a thing.

>>714824898
games dont die of old age bro there's always a human cause

>>714824642
Its not worth the risk of launching a game in the eu now. You could be chained to it for life and have to spend insane cash to stop it from dying
Look at that china yoy. Better to invest in that

>>714824918
>Y-you can't do that, the corpos will be angry!
Fuck off shill

>>714824924
did i say skg said it?

>>714824924
4 rupees a post, sar.

>>714825025
>felony
>corpos

>>714824752
>>714824812
>>714824898
It doesn't matter what skg has in the FAQ etc
Once it goes to the eu it will be changed and modified and made worse
It's literally always the case

>>714825124
>not the heckin lawerrino
Hi PirateSoftwar

>>714825156
We'll just have to wait and see, won't we? The cases against Apple worked out pretty well at least. I'm willing to give the EU Commission a shot with games too.

>>714825003
>You could be chained to it for life and have to spend insane cash to stop it from dying

>>714825156
this
i actually dont think most of their arguments are even legal desu
the lobbyists r going to explain to skg reps very carefully how this will play out in parliament and how nothing they've suggested is going to stick

>>714825208
>pirate software
>legality

>>714824757
So is that going to go through? Because if not then we will still hurdle down this nightmare of uncontrolled social media usage and what it will do to our brains

>>714825026
yes >>714824649

>>714825330
>our brains can't handle videos on mobile phones
if you're that mentally weak it's just natural selection at this point

>>714825270
>Let's fuck over the corpos!
>w-wait, that's illegal? Lets just go home..
Kys shill. a vote for every shill post

>>714825498
you're really not very good at this are you

>>714824008
This would be amazing, hope it happens.

>>714825542
Youre not discouraging me for voting for skg, shill

>>714825635
I don't care if you vote for it

>>714825417
Yes quite literally having shitstream of videos 5 hours straight tends to fuck people up. Normalfags don't have the attention anymore for this reason and you can see amongst the zoomers especially with what kind of games they play

>>714825672
Why reply then

>>714825696
to point out your idiocy, something you didn't catch onto

>>714825693
bullshit pseudoscience

>skg kills the one thing it was trying to save
Ironic.... it's like pottery

>>714825745
>give more votes to SKG
>somehow this is bad
Hello saar

>>714825795
>zoomer trying real hard to justify his shitock addiction

>>714825946
im 39 , I've never used tik tok, and I don't own a phone

>>714825916
source?

>>714824747
Does actually work in all cases, and will get you as far as you need to go

>>714826138
This thread

>>714826475
???