>yesterday skiggers were proven to be tourists that did not even know what 4chanx was
>can't go 3 posts without namedropping e-celebs or posting edits glorifying them
>shit up every single thread with their cult bullshit
>terrorize, doxx and censor any public figure that speak against it, and also try to ruin the lives of anyone remotely associated with them
I wish there was a system that applied death penalty to every person that signed this bullshit if it failed

Pirate Software Won

>>714878856 (OP)
>>yesterday skiggers were proven to be tourists that did not even know what 4chanx was
Don't forget that they started arguing against 4chanx and saying that only trolls randomized their filenames or posted anonymously in general.

nice try
i'm still entitled ownership to what i buy though
i will see "license rentals" outlawed in my lifetime.

1.26mil and counting

Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5TYQNZBkaY

>>714878856 (OP)
>LE 4CHANKS
Fat lardass

>>714879064
>400k sigs invalidated
I will laugh when this occurs. The "movement" will die in its tracks and will forever be associated with FRAUD and IDENTITY THEFT

>yesterday we did a bunch of false flag bullshit that no one fell for
>today we're gonna pretend we won and double down
That's cool but you still lost and everyone knows it. Livestream your suicide.

>>714879247
That’s alright. We’ll be past 1.4 million sigs by the end. And all the dumb shits committing identity fraud to damage the movement will get raped in a prison shower.

>>714878856 (OP)
>but enough about /pol/

>>714879575
>skiggers will accuse falseflag while simultaneously saying that 4chanx and anonimity suck anyway
get your prompt right

>>714879781
I wish pol would do their job and send these tourists away.

>>714878856 (OP)
I don't understand, why would anyone who is not a corporate entity counter-shill SKG?

This is the largest corporate disinfo campaign in the history of the internet. Holy fuck this is insane to watch

>>714881705
That’s not /pol/‘s job. We neglected posting gore or cp whenever someone screeched about trannies and now we are stuck with them those retarded tourists.

>>714878856 (OP)
I wish there was a system that applied a death penalty to retarded OPs

>>714881879
Because I believe regulations are not necessary when consumers have ample freedom to either partake in or reject the predatory experience. Especially when they limit creative freedom.

We are essentially discussing if a game can be always-online and terminate service once the developers are done with it. My answer to this is of fucking course it can. If you make this type of game I won't buy it. But if others will, all power to them. Why the fuck should I stop people from playing WoW, Genshin Impact, Guild Wars 2? If they want to do that, all the power to them.

The only situation that worries me is if a customer gets into an always online live service game without being aware of it. But nowadays it is so easy to know if you look at reviews. People have no excuse being stupid.

Anyway, if the law was limited to simply marking live service games and letting customers decide for themselves, I would support it. But no, the skiggers want to place regulations on developers and tell them how they should develop their games.

>>714882550
>Especially when they limit creative freedom.
How does SKG prevents creative freedom?

>>714882550
This is a stupid opinion because without regulations they will keep getting away with more shit and we won't always be able to rely on based devs saving the industry. The retarded slop consumers that pay for gacha shit outnumber us 1 to 100, greedy corpos will always win in our current society.

>>714878856 (OP)
I'm gonna dox you! Watch out!

>>714878856 (OP)
>proven to be tourists
anyone can pretend to be anyone else

>>714882718
You have to design the game from the ground up while keeping in mind the transition to either always-offline, or a server solution that can reasonably be used by players for decades without any patching.

And don't be disingenuous. If this thread gets traction there'll be dozens of skiggers saying "I am supporting this to kill live service games, I want the games to die I don't care about anything else".

>>714882740
>without regulations they will keep getting away with more shit
Get away with what?

These games never hurt me because I don't play them. It is that easy. Stop playing live service games if you don't want to play live service games you retards.

Imagine if I started a petition to ban fighting games because I dislike fighting games. Holy shit.

>>714882550
>But no, the skiggers want to place regulations on developers and tell them how they should develop their games.
Because developers aren't willing to stop anti-consumer practices in the service of making more money. It's too far gone to just vote with your wallet when the primary source of income is the predatory, always online microtransactions that normies buy. Got to make them behave. Just because your marketing agency is being paid to spout shit doesn't mean it's right shit.

>>714882872
IDENTITY THEFT IS NOT A JOKE JIM

>>714882919
>These games never hurt me because I don't play them
This is not the issue.

If if becomes impossible for small games / businesses to succeed commercially and all we have left is big business shit, you'll be glad we stemmed the tide with regulations.

And before you say this won't happen, this literally happened with most small mom and pop shops being replaced by supermarkets.

People like Mihoyo are already market leaders producing coomer slop that wrings people dry, yes you can just not play it, yes you can keep playing old games, but what if many of those become increasingly more difficult to play on modern hardware? There's literally no downside to wanting regulation against big corporations, there isn't a single downside, and tons of downsides to lobby against it.

>>714883228
The only scenario where small businesses can't survive is if you put regulations in place. It is also part of what hit the small mom shops you mentioned.

Just like a supermarket has a way easier time dealing with regulations, it will be trivial for an AAA company to launch an end of service support program whereas an indie developer barely taking the bills will struggle to do the same.

And anyway at the end of the day I don't give a fuck about shaping the vidya industry to my liking. I would rather the industry have freedom to do whatever they want. This is about principles. I am not a commie when it comes to supermarkets and I won't be a commie for vidya development.

>>714883436
Indie games aren't the ones struggling provide end of service support. They just release their shit as is and it works.

>>714882919
>These games never hurt me because I don't play them. It is that easy.
then you should be for it right? it only stops companies from remote-detonating your purchase.

>>714882550
Remember, car manufacturers had to be forced by law to include seat belts. Your argument is basically
>Just don't buy a car without a seat belt.

I don't understand why some retards here are so contrarian that they rather see AAA slop corpos trample consumer rights.

>>714878856 (OP)
>>yesterday skiggers were proven to be tourists that did not even know what 4chanx was
4chanx does legitimately kind of suck though. I miss the days of when all the 4chanx stuff were individual scripts that you could pick and choose from as you wished.
The idea of amassing all the scripts into one huge, bloated, mega script. Was an awful idea from the get go. But now smaller scripts are no longer being updated.

>animenigger is spamming the same shit takes for days for cheap (you)s
ok

>>714883624
How dense. The difference is that the seat belt regulation saves lives, and if another retard buys the car without seat belts they can literally kill me as collateral damage.

The same does not apply to your bing bing wahoo. I couldn't give less of a fuck if you're playing a live service bing bing wahoo or not. It does not affect me, there is no reason for laws to regulate how your bing bing wahoo should play.

>>714883713
It's funny that you just explained the entire reason why SKG can't work but with the comparison of small scripts vs 4chanx

Just apply the same logic to games, come on anon you can do it

>>714882919
>You have to design the game from the ground up while keeping in mind the transition to either always-offline, or a server solution that can reasonably be used by players for decades without any patching.

Again, how does this obstruct creative freedom? The transition to always offline happens when the game reaches EOS. Your game is already installed on your phone or PC with all the files needed to run. Once that happens, the developer no longer has to worry about fixing rates or balancing the game because it's EOS and the game is handed over to the players to either create their own server or play it as is.

>>714883882
First of all: a server solution that works for decades without any patching is a trillion dollar idea. I don't think an AAA developer will be the first one to create it, and it's even less likely that indie developers will do it, so this already immensely restricts freedom.

And not every game can be always offline, it's that simple. Unless the developers have to create two games: one online and one offline, which doubles development costs.

>>714882550
this motherfucker would have been arguing against refunds back when they were a hot button topic
fuck off retard
you don't even understand what SKG want, because you've rambled about nothing SKG want.
>>714882550
>But nowadays it is so easy to know if you look at reviews. People have no excuse being stupid.
Now I know you're retarded, publishers have literally waited until after reviews have come out to put MTX in their games.

>>714883996
Name ONE (1) game that went from always offline to always online and I will stop posting on 4chan forever.

>>714883992
The entire point is you don't need to include batteries, just tell the users "these are the servers we used, good luck"

>>714878856 (OP)
Traitors like you shoukd be butchered.
Anyone agreeing withuou as well.
Spread stopped. Infection contained. And erradicated.
Yiu are not worth anyhing.

>>714883992
>First of all: a server solution that works for decades without any patching is a trillion dollar idea.
I can play games from decades ago on private servers.
How is that possible if what you're saying is true?

>>714878856 (OP)
It does not matter how many twitchnigs sign it, nothing will be done. Your chance to fix this mess ended when you elected a convicted felon as president.

>>714883992
I think you are misunderstanding on purpose.

>>714884217
You just have no idea how any of this shit works, do you?

Unofficial private servers are created from scratch by reverse engineering packets. They receive regular patches.

Official private servers ALSO receive regular patches. Yes even from that game from 30 years ago. They are upkept by the communtiy.

>>714884497
what does america have to do with this?

you are really desperate for engagement
go outside man

>the more signatures there is
>more they seethe
IN
ALL
FIELDS

>>714879247
bargaining stage I see

>>714878856 (OP)
>can't go 3 posts without namedropping e-celebs or posting edits glorifying them
this is the real problem for me. i have no issue with the movement, i believe the cause is just even if it's a pipe dream. but i am forced to actively hide threads about it because they're either started or filled with images of the same interchangeable balding losers that /v/ fellates. that's a good way to get people to ignore your impotent battle cries.

>>714884580
that's the point, once EOS, the game is handed to the player base so it's their duty to keep the game alive or not. SKG is not asking the developer to keep a private servers running or provide patches, etc, read it before commenting dumb shit like a retard.

>>714884789
Man, we've been seeing 4 of the 5 stages of grief simultaneously over the course of the last week.
>Denial: It'll never reach the threshold. They'll throw out enough votes to kill it.
>Anger: BLOODY BENCHOD IT WILL KILL INDIE GAMES
>Bargaining: You can't apply this to [arbitrary category of games]! This should just be for [other arbitrary category of games].
>Depression: I hope you get everything you asked for and none of what you wanted.
It's been beautiful. Truly.

>>714882291
do you really think that'd accomplish anything?
you cry about the people voicing disapproval and blame them instead of those shoving shit down your throat.
>b-but they're the one doing it!
no, they're making you aware you are eating shit and crying like you do is newfag behavior

>>714885040
>once eos you hope the community will patch the server otherwise you are liable for data breaches and damages
boy I sure want to invest all my stock in this idea!

>>714885153
>otherwise you are liable for data breaches and damages
has literally never been the case
but nice derailment, rashit.

>>714885153
>loses argument
>makes up shit
classic

My problem with this is that it's just gamergate but with less audacity and instead more e-celeb cult

Zoomers can't even astroturf properly

ROSS WON AND THEY ARE MAD

IT FEARS

>>714884580
I'm talking about games that were designed to have privately hosted servers.
But that's besides the point.
You don't need patches to run software from 20 years ago, whether it's servers or clients, or standalone programs.
Providing players with a server or a solution that works right now means that in the future they can use emulation to replicate current operational systems and hardware to get it running, the way we're able to run really old games right now.
If the network protocols we use change, they can emulate that too.
The fact of the matter is that if you have software that works right now you can recreate the conditions in which it works in the future.
If bugs or vulnerabilities exist, that's just life. You don't need to fix them for the game to work. And the game working is the operating concern.

>>714882919
>These games never hurt me because I don't play them
Then why are you defending them? Single player games are fine because they are not always online, this only affects the games that "you don't play", but somehow you are worried that their "creative freedom" of these games that "you don't play" are prevented? Something sounds fishy here, you have been defending corporations the entire thread, almost as if you were getting paid to do so... hmmm.

>>714885319
>owning your videogames is gamergate goym
>you're a literal nazi for not wanting to get fucked in the ass by videogame publishers
>Ubisoft were right to pull The Crew out of people's libraries you stupid communist

>>714885418
>You don't need patches to run software from 20 years ago
Yes you fucking do unless you want data breaches and arbitrary code execution (do you even know what the later is?)

You can't tell consumers to download a program that will steal their credit card as soon as they connect to someone else

>>714882550
Wizchads proven superior yet again.

>>714878856 (OP)
>OP is on the side of a reddit furry faggot
Lmaoooo

>>714885507
This is why i signed the initiative. I've had enough of videogme publishers and their bullshit. I am old enough to have played Quake 2 in LAN. I remember hotseat multiplayer in Heroes 3, i remember splitscreen Serious Sam. People who are against SKG are corporate plants or other bad actors.

>>714883776
I genuinly don't undestand your concerns.
If you don't care about live service/online games why do you give a shit if they are regulated? It does not affect you at all.

>>714885749
He is a corporate shill, he is paid to care.

>>714885512
Again, that's not what SKG is asking for...

>>714884497
Only 1/3rd of the population actually supported him, and the people who voted for him was about half the people who actually voted. Which means a shitton of people either went third party or FUCKING REFUSED to vote as some claim of moral superiority regarding who were the main options.
It was not what most people wanted. And we're all getting fucked over because they're doing what they want IN SPITE of the fucking law and common sense. All because a tiny handful of assholes want to be Capitalist North Korea, and their followers want to reenact Purge.

if only normalfags (the people that spam this garbage) would listen to use 10 years ago and not buy ubislop/gaasslop/online onlyslop, we wouldn't be in this situation, with them acting all high and mighty pretending to save the world while all they're doing is looking like immature kids who get mad when their bingbings get taken away
denigkroegers, all of them

>>714885512
yea I know what arbitrary code execution is, I know what a shellcode is and I've tought a class on it in university, I've written vulnerable programs to test students on breaking them using overflow
I also know that I don't give a fuck if a server is vulnerable when I'm running a lan party
or when I'm running the server locally, behind a firewall
you're pulling problems out of your ass and pretending they matter at all in this case, or you're repeating the retarded statements of pretend programmers

>>714885512
it's funny to see the shill dogs use this argument when COD had RCE exploits in it while it was officially supported, the community fixed it with unofficial patches, and then the community fixes got C&Ded so microsoft had to take the game in question off of gamepass

>>714886394
>I also know that I don't give a fuck if a server is vulnerable when I'm running a lan party
>or when I'm running the server locally, behind a firewall
Okay but this is about the publisher.

By the SKG proposition the publisher would have to endorse an official server solution that players could use to connect unsafely to other players.

And by GDP law this publisher is liable if data breaches happen.

The only possibly SKG could work is if they created an exception of limited liability. Which would massively weaken the GDP law and put everyone's data at jeopardy.

>>714886531
>the publisher is liable
No, the data holder is liable
Who's the data holder on a private server? Think about it real long and hard

faggot AAA dev really want us to believe making a game work without always online bs is some herculean task? the skill level must have dropped immensely in two decades

>>714878856 (OP)
Ross is a mirror reflection of a typical terminally online person that would classically browse a forum like 4chan, his idea is fair and has noble intentions, it's presented with integrity
as the audience of an image has grown to be a more mature place than it used to be, due to the passage of time and the people that stayed here, it's unsurprising that SKG is majorly supported here
Pirate Software, a spastic 'im always right' contrarian, is what a 2010 4chan edgelord would be all over
a newfag larper who watches epic 4chan greentext compilations to fall asleep to might even imagine that's what it's still like here, they will come and be contrarian and edgy, we have a containment board for that, here's a helpful link in case you are lost
>>>/pol/
Nowadays that kind of edgy teenager is typically contained to twitch chats and discord servers, they make friends and form communities there
they goon together, they raid our boards together
but ultimately it is obvious to a seasoned weaver when a newfriend is trying to rage bait, hell, we might even play along if there's anything funny to take from it, but don't for a second think that this board wants EA, Ubisoft or any of the other soulless megacorps to take our games away
So let's keep signing, not like we play the games anyway, but maybe when we are old and have lots of time on our hands again, we can actually boot something in the backlog and it still works thanks to this movement

>>714886651
Sorry to butt in but by the GDP law the data CONTROLLER is the responsible. The controller is the one who determines the purpose and means of processing the data. If the data holder is merely executing a program supplied by the data controller, the data holder is not more liable than the controller.

If the GDP was applied law the company would be 100% liable for breaches in their server software. As they are nowadays (even though most consumers rarely take action).

Source: I am a lawyer

Attention corporate shills.
Kill yourselves.
That is all.
Thank you for your time.

>>714878856 (OP)
Only shitposters use the randomized filename and MD5 options, I'll never understand why the options were added and they should be removed.

>>714878856 (OP)
>2025
>using 4chan x

>>714886949
>>714887027
And there we have it.
>inb4 people accuse me of falseflagging these newfags

I love reading these threads. There's always someone who argues about too many regulations not being good. Meanwhile, every single thing they use on a daily basis has been regulated by the government to not outright kill them. Everyone knows corporations would do stuff like that at the drop of a hat if it would save them a buck or two.
As for me, I just want SKG to pass so that it can kill live service games.

>>714878856 (OP)
The amount of Jewish kwetching and Indian spam screaming about SKG PROVES once and for all that it is an excellent idea.
Keep signing the initiative, EU bros.

>>714887072
I've been using 4chan x since the day that it was created, >>714887027 is just a retard.

>>714887170
>another retard using car regulations as a synonym for why the government should force people to only play the type of vidya these autists like

>>714886531
>the publisher would be liable if the server turned out to be vulnerable down the line
that is not the case, when a piece of software has a 0-day the government doesn't sue the company and fine them
the software would be provided as is, with no obligation of support, just like a lot of other software is,
you see that disclamer all the time
you're inventing a problem which doesn't exist, legally speaking

>data breech
this is the responsibility of the entity holding the data, which is not going to be the publisher or the dev, because they're discontinuing their servers
if anybody would be in trouble for the data breech it would be whoever is hosting a server, presumably yourself and whoever you're playing with
again, a non-problem

>>714887431
You are displaying categorical lack of knowledge about GDP law and comparing a 0-day to supplying your customers with software that has not been patched in 30 years. No reason to waste my time here.

>>714887431
That poster is a literal paid shill

>>714887526
>No reason to waste my time here.
Good. Piss off, shill.

>>714886882
Hey nigger jew !
I invite you to read the first few lines of basically any FOSS software license UwU
You know ~ the
>THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS WITH NO GUARANTEE...
part :3333

>>714887264
>proud of using the botnet that has long since obfuscated its bot.__sendpulse code after getting found out
Newfag. Hope you installed gentoo.

>>714887708
>since obfuscated its bot.__sendpulse code after getting found out
Source.

>>714886882
A developer is not responsible for misuse of an SDK they released. You're not a real lawyer, more like a real retard.

>>714879130

>>714887641
Am I mindbreaking you so hard that you are now spamming emoji?

>>714878856 (OP)
Finish Heartbound you seething cuck

There has been no need for 4chanx for at least 10 years now.
And that guy was right, only the most autistic shitposters use filename randomizers.

Reminder to corporate shills.
Kill yourselves.
That is all.
Thank you for your time.

>>714887296
>car regulations
>not food regulations
>not clothing regulations
>not cellphone regulations
>not overall electronic regulations
>not house build quality (not currently available in the USA) regulations

Listen, you can argue about it however you want, but regulations exist because businesses would do anything to hinder consumer's rights. Their vehemence towards the right to repair movement being one of the more egregious offense.

>>714887526
you're not supplying customers with software that hasn't been patched in 30 years,
30 years ago you supplied them with software as part of shutting down a game
by your logic every developer that didn't brick their game with a killswitch is liable if turns out it has a vulnerability 30 years later
that is not the case, companies can say they're no longer supporting a game and any issues after that point are not their problem
This would also hold true when sunsetting a game, no additional obligations are created past the point of supplying a functional (at the time) solution.

>>714879247
>will forever be associated with FRAUD and IDENTITY THEFT
Come on, it could fail right here, right now, and you know better than I do that this would never happen. It literally can't. You should be talking about how to damage control in the long term whether or not this goes anywhere because, even if it doesn't, the conversation has already started. Telling people 'this'll make devs go bankrupt' 'this'll cause chaos in the gaming industry'. Bruh, in the post-Concord world, how do you, with a straight face, tell people this and not expect them to get a massive fucking erection? Telling people it'll kill the industry will just make them sympathetic to the idea of killing the industry. You can't argue with an audience you have trained to hate you.

>>714887072
only newfags would cry about such an initiative

>>714888270
>There has been no need for 4chanx for at least 10 years now.
Filters, catalogues, thread watchers, galleries, archive links, sauce buttons.
>And that guy was right, only the most autistic shitposters use filename randomizers.
Yes, I am correct.

>>714888270
>And that guy was right, only the most autistic shitposters use filename randomizers.
Literally 70% of the posts on this site with an image. The other 30% is half phonefags with UUID names and half people disabling the "randomizer" deliberately.
Also, I feel I should mention it's not really random. It's actually a UNIX timestamp of the current time.

>>714888364
>things that can kill you
>things that can poison you
>things that can harm you through allergies
>things that are barely regulated
>things that, again, can kill you
>being compared to wanting to ban always online games because they are not fun uwu :(

>>714888471
only newfags would cry about 4chanx/filename randomization but here we are
>>714888481
>I should mention it's not really random. It's actually a UNIX timestamp of the current time.
aaaand another skigger outs himself as a newfag

>>714888528
>being compared to wanting to ban always online games because they are not fun uwu :(
Is this supposed to be a bad thing?

>>714888629
Well, plus or minus three years, anyways. It's based off the timestamp.
You do realize how absolutely retarded you sound, right?

What's the point of using a filename randomizer when you're also an obnoxious avatar fag? Obfuscate Cyrillic or Hindi? Ziggers really seem to like trash like Konosuba for some reason.

What are you even trying to achieve here? You cannot make people unsign, the damage is done, and you presented no arguments to dissuade the undecided.
Also how would new people find their way here to agitate, neither Ross or Judas or any of the dramatubers covering this ever mentioned 4chan.

>>714878856 (OP)
>>714878912
why the fuck this nigger is trying so hard to sound so against it this fucking corpo shill aquanigger

>>714878856 (OP)
>terrorize, doxx and censor any public figure that speak against it, and also try to ruin the lives of anyone remotely associated with them
Didn't happen but based

>>714889048
>it's actually an UNIX timestamp of the current time...
>uhhhhh plus or minus three years
>r-retard!
I pity your coworkers if you consider any 3 year approximation the same thing as the current time

>avatarfagging with aqua of all characters
assuming this is a troll

>>714882550
stop acting like no one answered your shit, eceleb pirate softer cocksleeve bitch nigger
delusional wannabe normalnigger

>>714878856 (OP)
>yesterday OP made a fool of himself
>today he's doing it again
embarrassing

>>714878856 (OP)
>yesterday skiggers were proven to be tourists that did not even know what 4chanx was
4chanx is only useful for schizos
>can't go 3 posts without namedropping e-celebs or posting edits glorifying them
so nothing out of the ordinary on /v/
>shit up every single thread with their cult bullshit
so nothing out of the ordinary on /v/
>terrorize, doxx and censor any public figure that speak against it, and also try to ruin the lives of anyone remotely associated with them
so nothing out of the ordinary on /pol/

Let me get this fucking straight, you're saying if I buy a game, I should be allowed to play that game whenever I want to in future? Are you CRAZY!

HELLOOOOOOOOOO corporate shills!
This is just another friendly reminder to you all!
Kill yourselves.
That is all, thank you very much for your time!

fuck mods they're useless and liars and being power tripping pieces of shit who will abuse the system and will never go with what they have always preached. leave lolifags alone and ban the avatar faggnigger

>>714888629
you had one nigger not know 4chanx and you extrapolated about the whole initiative

>>714878856 (OP)
I personally botted thousands of these votes. No way it makes it to legislation. At least it started a conversation though.

>>714889608
There's like 5 distinct people arguing against 4chanx and 10 more arguing against randomized filenames right in this thread.

There were many a dozen others in the previous thread (from where I got the screencap).

>>714889719
>samefag falseflag 10 times
>this is 10 posters arguing against it
hmm i see how it goes

>>714889783
I can assure you they are not falseflags. At least not from me. I never falseflag, it goes against my principles.

>>714882550
>Because I believe regulations are not necessary when consumers have ample freedom to either partake in or reject the predatory experience.

Decades of the opposite happening year after year have proven otherwise, see: mtx, season passes, bad ports, reselling the same game year after year (like fifa and similar games), sequels being worse and selling more every time (see pokemon and similar games), data collection, private servers being gone from most games,

>Especially when they limit creative freedom.
Releasing soem files so people can host their games doesn't limit anything, there's also many other possible solutions. That's like saying seatbelts limit car designs.

>We are essentially discussing if a game can be always-online and terminate service once the developers are done with it. My answer to this is of fucking course it can

The innitiative doesn't state otherwise

>Why the fuck should I stop people from playing WoW, Genshin Impact, Guild Wars 2?

Who is saying we should stop them? Also games like WoW are clearly rentals, and have clear conditions on when your access ends when you pay for the month/year/etc. unlike all the other games being killed, which could last 3 years or 2 weeks for all you know.

>But nowadays it is so easy to know if you look at reviews.

Most games don't state it clearly, if they want their game to be rented and not bought they should add a termination date, just like wow and similar games.

> the skiggers want to place regulations on developers and tell them how they should develop their games.

funny that you mention this, most devs that have said sth it's been to support the initiative, while most corporate suits are the ones against it

>>714889939
kill yourself newnigger normalnigger avatarnigger mod's cocksleeve cocksucker

>avatarfag runs rampant a whole thread
Why do we even still have jannies at this point?

>>714889337
I know you want me to double down, but I'm a reasonable human being and corrected myself after reading the source code.
I didn't realize that it added or subtracted in a range randomly for the past nine years somehow. Sue me.
Regardless, the main reason to use 4chanX is to filter buzzword soup retardation out and saucing images faster. The image filename randomizer is just a bonus to help preserve anonymity a little better.
I'm going to leave now, because you're a mentally ill faggot pretending to be about ten people on both sides of this "argument"

>>714889270
He's more than likely someone who has been hired to muddy the water, will be personally affected if the bill passes or just some retard who wants to argue because his morals on the subject could be simplified in two words: regulations bad. You would be surprised of the sheer amount of people who parrot what their parents say about regulations just because of the negative things their bosses said about regulations. This happens a lot in the industry I worked for.

>>714878856 (OP)
Looks like NDF discovered Nintendo is against SKG.

>>714888373
notice how he doesn't reply to post exposing his retardation, he's a shill

>>714890157
So you agreed completely with me, why are you still insulting me? You realize the skiggers are trying to kill 4chanx too? They start a crusade against it just because it got them caught as tourists

What's 4chanx?
>e-celebs bad
>harassing e-celebs bad
pick one

the removal of the ip counter is a tragedy

>>714890127
jannies/mods are getting paid by corporations to allow these posts and threads.

>>714890347
Because I support SKG and use 4chanX and you're a falsefalgging nigger playing both sides with no actual stake in anything.

>>714890364
I'm cool with it, backseat jannies should be gassed.

>corposhills speaking the same language AAA companies used to blatantly use legal-grey areas to their advantage and increasingly push anti-customer practices into the norm
I can't wait to hear why a purchasable online-only single-player game can expire and can't be played offline in a future court. What will be the new surprise mechanic?

>>714890591
This faggot's cool with it, let the avatarfag continue to shit up the thread.

>>714890557
I am not playing both sides. I oppose SKG. I am also not falseflagging because it goes against my principles and also because I don't need to, skiggers already do enough embarrassing themselves.

>>714890723
I'm all for it, so long as the thread stays bumped and causes NDF to seethe like you are right now.

>>714890813
Nintendo Defense Fore? What

I really don't see how any reasonable person would oppose putting more regulations on one of the most predatory industries in the world. Games as a service should be outright banned, but if they won't do that, than at ensuring that companies that do make live service games get punished for rug pulling their players.

>>714890918
Look who opposes SKG and you'll get why it's getting resistance here now with contrived reasoning over 4chanx randomization from obsessed schizoids.

Remember to ignore avatarfags.
And remember that avatarfagging is against the rules.

>>714884598
>what does the most powerful country in the world have to do with this?
Gee I fucking wonder, europoor you tell me.

>>714891028
>Look who opposes SKG
Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo

>>714882550
How come you niggers never understand that the initiative gives devs the option to simply state how long they'll be supporting a game so that the consumer can make an informed decision on purchases?

>>714891108
There you go my little Eric chud, you did it.

>>714891059
You say this yet jannies allow it on every board. Don't believe me? Check out /xivg/ or any xiv board on /v/ when you get a sec.

>>714891075
Take your meds bro

>>714891059
>skiggers are backseat moderating
as if you hadn't embarrassed yourselves enough

>>714891134
They are either being paid to not understand it, or are simply too retarded to.

>>714891134
How do you know what it does when there's no legislation yet?

>>714891196
Two birds with one stone, you avatarfags always have the most retarded fucking opinion.

>>714891018
Armchair libertarians are not reasonable people.

>>714891134
You live in a fantasy world if you really believe this is how these kinds of movements work lmao. Zoomies first "protest"

>>714891134
SKG supporter and donator for Ross here

No the initiative does not give that option. Look things up before spreading misinformation.

I want games to die, so i did't sign it

let's talk about about a slightly broader issue than SKS,
the idea that consumers should police every single problem with games (or any other product) through their consumption
games compete on quality, price and many other things
how are people suppose to simultaneously reward developers for well made games and punish them for having bad practices?
it's completely arbitrary whether games are going to be instilled with a killswitch or whether they have microtransactions and whether they're good on the gameplay, story and so on
I'm not saying we should regulate away every single shitty practice, but it's a fairytale that conscientious consumptions is any sort of solution, to anything.
When people consume, they have a small number of priorities that overrule everything else. For games that's how good the game is and how much it costs.
If a game is good and it's worth the money people aren't going to care about whether it's eventually killed when they buy it, they're not going to care if there are microtransactions and horsearmor dlc.

>>714891075
what are they going to do? shoot the videogames with their navy?

>>714883861
If you think games rely so much on such complicated server structures that they can't even run through simpler connections. Then you're just wrong.

>>714891753
Why are people pretending everything is a live service game anymore?

For every live service game there are 100 other games that are not live service.

Most live service games are MMOs, gachas, MOBAs, battle royales, that sort of game that people only play online.

>>714891947
why are you redditspacing?

>>714891984
>proper paragraph structure is reddit spacing
Aaaaaaaaaaaand another newfag got caught.

>>714889270
it's a defense mechanism. more info here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfZIY9VEnaE

>>714892041
>one sentence paragraph
lol, stay in school kid

>>714892041
Those aren't paragraphs, they're single sentences.
There is no reason to use two newlines, except out of a reddit induced habbit.

>>714890161
This nigger didn't understand the proposal, tried being a contrarian, got called out on it and instead of recognizing his mistake he decided to double and triple down using fear tactics like "if it happens all your favorite games will die and indie developers will stop existing"

>>714891753
It also ignores that many of these companies are using psychological tricks to maximize income. For example, game trailers have always been total bullshots full of content that won't ever be in the game or completely misrepresent what you are buying. Live service games always use FOMO and sunk cost and other shit to keep people playing and buying.

It's clear that the free market cannot work with this industry because of the predatory nature of these companies. I can't think of an industry more disgusting than game companies. I genuinely believe even insurance companies have more respect for their customers than game companies do.

>>714892194
>>714892268

>>714892387
>can't even reply properly
embarrassing...

>>714888528
The point isn't the substance, but in the fact that they will do ANYTHING to be cheap cunts chasing profit to the point of malevolence and fuck you over at every opportunity in the name of profit and power unless brought to heel by regulation - no matter the field of operation, commodity or service provided
Honor to those who have the integrity, but they are in the minority and this is a prevalent trend in the industry, hell, world economy at large. You will get fucked sooner or later down the road, so it is time to bring some fight back to those kikenning faggots

>mmm.... yum yum Red 40
why are americans like this?

>>714883510
>duude just release an exe lmao
>duuuude just develop and keep maintaining another version of your game and your server too, all production-grade lmao
>you licensed components for your backend or used FOSS that you aren't allowed to release? uhm, just, like, don't do that dude, just write it from scratch, are you even a programmer
>you just got a letter from a random germoid lawyer called Dr. Hans Schiessenstein saying you're getting sued because you violated poor Europeans' righterinos? shouldn't have done it
>what do you mean you live in Japan, you MUST comply with the sacred laws of the Euristani Caliphates

>>714878856 (OP)
Why are tourists supposedly worse than corporate shills?

>>714894069
tourists shit up the board proactively

corpo shills only act to contain the tourists

>>714893562
Now say that in a non-schizo way

>>714894190
How are tourists "shitting up the board" compared to corporate shills who actively want games to die?

>>714894190
Go complain in the ai thread

The fact that these corpo bootlickers are actually doing it for free makes them just as pathetic, if not more so, than jannies.

>>714878912
FPBP

>>714878856 (OP)
Take a shower fatso, holy shit.

Anyone else from the ross discord? Is this the right place?

>>714893562
Now guess why you can play PS2 games on private servers on the PS2 itself, and why you can't play Overwatch 1 or The Crew anymore?
Or why you can play D1 and D2 offline or on private servers but D3 is still online-only on pc while offering offline and local multiplayer on consoles?

>>714882550
I'm tired of arguing about why industry regulation is important with the same dumb asses that enjoy getting buttfucked by corporations

Enjoy living in a cardboard box in the future for 1000$ a month because that's the industry standard that you'd accept

>>714894703
Because nobody cared about those games enough to reverse-engineer its protocols and implement a private server like they did with WoW.
Not my issue you willingly bought a service whose terms you disliked but you bought it anyway.

>>714878856 (OP)
>terrorize, doxx and censor any public figure that speak against it, and also try to ruin the lives of anyone remotely associated with them
SJW

>>714895034
It's not your problem, at this point it's the EUs problem.

>>714894569
Yes. Make yourself at home.
Ignore the shitposters or shitpost back at them, but most importantly, have fun :D

>>714878856 (OP)
What does Asmongold think about this? Should I support killing online games or not? Atm idc.

>>714889270
literally no one
>>714889429
stop acting line an attention whoreing autist
dissapointed fake homosexuautist

>>714883436
Lol what. It's only indie games that are even releasing dedicated servers anymore.

>>714882550
Libertarians are the most retarded creatures in the world LMAO.
>Just let the richest go whatever they want and we'll have spaceships in a few years bro
HAHAHAHA what a bunch of morons

>>714895680
>local man autistically screams at clouds

>>714895593
The Rat King is all in for SKG

>>714892194
Wait. How do you know the layout of reddit posts?

SKG will save gaming!

>>714878856 (OP)

Not an argument

>>714878856 (OP)
>>714878936
please explain what purpose does it serve exactly to randomize file names?

>>714878856 (OP)
i don't care because i only play games that have been "dead" for years and playable 100% offline.

sometimes i even pay for them to make modding easier

>>714896260
hello newfag-kun!

it reduces one of the most accessible methods for tracking your activity in this website

if you spend more than 3 days here you'll see that people always bring up the image's filename history whenever they want to humiliate someone publicly, it's like when your discord friends post someone's message history or when your reddit friends post someone's comment history to discredit them

>>714896391
why should i care if somebody looks up my post history? if somebody is going to go to extra schizo lengths to look up other posts i've made, how does that affect anything me? you have to be a spaz to give a shit whether somebody looked it up, and you have to be an extra spaz to bother looking post history up. the entire argument is pathetic, and you only prove the claim correct that it only matters to trolls and schizos. thank you for admitting it though!

>>714896875
here we value anonymity

>>714894471
Yes the golden one.

>>714878856 (OP)
>learn from my mistakes and stop buying GAAS crap?
>actually play good games?
>stop investing in scams?
>NOOOOOOOOO AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE I CANT DO THAT!!!!
>SAVE ME DADDY GOVERNMENT!!
>PLEASE OVERREACH INTO MY FAVORITE HOBBY! THIS COULDNT POSSIBLY HAVE ANY LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES!

>>714891179
i don't support big pharma boi, lol.

>>714897025
What would the consequences be?

>>714897025
You have no idea what Stop Killing Games is about. It's ackshually none of what you said, you corporate bootlicker Amerishart!!!1!1

>>714897135
Take your homeopathic meds then

>>714883776
It's a fucking EoS plan.
It's not complicated, nor costly.
The only reason they oppose it is because they fear having to compete with shit they already released.

>>714878856 (OP)
what's a skigger?

>>714897316
that's some part of it, but it's more to do with the principle
they fight every regulation, no matter what

>>714897453
(S)top (KI)lling (G)ames nig(GER)

>>714897316
It is costly though, and I ain't working for free. I see 0, literally ZERO profit out of developing different versions of the game. You basically introduced a new legal requirement that makes me spend a ton of money throughout the entire lifecycle of the game from the very fucking start for no benefit.

>>714882550
>Aquaposter
>80 IQ opinion
Name a more iconic duo

>>714897731
Just release the Europe version everywhere then, that's what apple did :^)

>>714897145
progressively worsening regulations.
the first few seem reasonable, but then it gets into shit that actually hurts the customer in the long run.
much like the UK and its endless treadmill chase against any kind of weaponry.

>>714898184
I'm against regulating people and for regulating corporations

>>714897731
>what do you MEAN i have to ground the electricity now whenever i build something?
>do you have any idea what thats going to COST?
you dont have an argument, just a tantrum.

>>714878856 (OP)
Does anyone have the pic of moldman saying thank you to maldman for being the bad guy?

>>714888053
No, its just that I know it makes shills even more angry ;3

In the odd case you aren't one and just playing devil's advocate, it is possible to sell software without any guarantee, that's what Foss people do, and legally so as GPL contains said words in its license and has won court cases before.

>all this blatant shilling and well poisoning
pic eternally related fags

>>714898376
Not playing a random ass racing game isn't going to kill anybody

>>714898595
>GPL
yes let me just slap an open source license on all my software

I might as well open a restaurant and publish the recipes on the front door

>>714898810
neither is littering, but there are laws about that too.

>>714898829
Publishing recipes would not hurt a restaurant at all

>>714899259
Okay. Open a restaurant and leave all your recipes on the front door. Become the lowest common denominator.

>>714898275
well its the government, you'll never get exactly what you asked for. they always take a little more.

>>714899396
I'm not good at cooking, why would I open a restaurant?

>>714899524
So you admit you are wrong?

>>714899420
The government is currently not taking away my games, corpos are.

>>714899607
About what?

>>714899621
the government is like a fey shithead.
they (usually) need an invitation, but once its given you're in for a world of regret.
also, the corpos that take your games only make bad games.
you like bad games.

>>714899747
Your government is bad, mines not.

>>714882550
>Because I believe regulations are not necessary when consumers have ample freedom to either partake in or reje-
Stopped reading there. People have herd mentality. You must save them from themselves.

>>714899716
Burgers

>>714899871
is that why your government is working on banning steak knives?

>>714899938
counterpoint, i think herd mentality people should be culled and suffer every step along the way..

>>714878856 (OP)
>suddenly there's an anti SKG wave once the petition reached it's goals
Like clockwork, kill yourself shill

>>714886882
The data controller isn't some fucking random company that wrote a computer program at one point. The data controller is the organization which decides how data is processed, so if we're talking about an organization gathering personal information in order to operate a game server, then that organization is the data controller as it is the one that decided to use the data for the purpose of running said server. The data controller isn't the fucking company which wrote the game server (the game developer / publisher), it's the one running it.

Do you think Microsoft or Linus Torvalds are the data controllers of the entire fucking world because they wrote software that everyone else uses to process personal information? I hope you're not an actual lawyer because you're extremely gigaretarded.

>>714900008
That's the UK, I would never defend that shit hole.

>>714878936
>>714896391
4chanX doesn't randomize file names. That 16 digit number in the file name is the image ID from 4chan's CDN. That's what everyone gets when they download the file.
4chanX adds a button that lets you download the image with the ORIGINAL file name.
Try to download this image for example

>>714900225
Yes if an AWS/Azure vulnerability results in leaked information Microsoft would be held responsible as has happened in the past

>>714900392
Caught another newfag.

>I am incapable of actually arguing against stop killing games (ignore that no one besides people working with corporations has any reason to argue against stop killing games)
Lmao

>>714900586
i want consumers to suffer the consequences of their actions and learn from it instead of running to the government and begging for them to bail them out (thus ensuring they never learn)

>>714900687
>I don't want consumers to demand more rights and I will angrily demand that they ignore the issue
Yeah, fuck off.

>>714878856 (OP)
>>yesterday skiggers were proven to be tourists that did not even know what 4chanx was
Just kill yourself you aquafag retard holy shit.

>>714900687
Your strategy doesn't work and only serves the Jews.

>>714900781
the issue is that consumers are retarded, by saving them from the consequences of their actions they'll never learn to avoid the GAAS scam. which then ensures that the GAAS scam will never die.
>oh buh buh they'll never learn!
then they deserve to have their money stolen by the scam.

>>714882550
>>714883776
Are you for repealing IP laws? Aquanigger?

>>714900957
>dude stop calling for live service scams to be put under control, just... like... vote with your vallet and stuff!!! Clearly if you ignore the cancer, it always goes away! This always works!!!
Also I don't want consumers to "learn fron the consequences of their actions" because this never works. We should just whip the guys in charge instead.

>>714900957
Nah, scams should be illegal. Individualism is ruining america.

>>714878856 (OP)
>can't go 3 posts without namedropping e-celebs or posting edits glorifying them
>shit up every single thread with their cult bullshit
This is the real problem. I have no real issue with the initiative itself, but the quality of posters is so fucking low I almost want to hate it by virtue of the people who champion on here. There's no real discussion about video games, it's just ecelebs, calling people corpo shills and Indians, and faggy "We did it Reddit!" posts. And for some reason this requires a thread up 24/7. They NEED to be a part of some big "thing" instead of just posting on 4chinz about stuff they like, like a normal poster.

>>714900996
>Are you for repealing IP laws?
No, I am not. I support their expansion.

>>714901192
I agree, when I buy a game it's copyright should expand to me aswell.

>>714901156
you do understand that SKG doesnt actually stop GAAS crap, right?
all it does it call for games to remain playable after EoS
that can be done in the form of adding an offline VS bot mode.

>>714901280
>you do understand that SKG doesnt actually stop GAAS crap, right?
all it does it call for games to remain playable after EoS
that can be done in the form of adding an offline VS bot mode.
Yes, exactly. It stops GAAS scams.

>>714901258
Hahaha clever but no

>>714901192
Ok, so you are pro government babysitting then.

>>714885046
"Acceptance" will be all the corpos claiming that they supported it the whole time.

>>714901280
Great, then people get to learn from their mistakes, just like you wanted.

>>714901350
In my vision the only role of the government is to protect private property and make sure people have the means to create whatever they want (so long as it does not hurt other people, of course)

So yes, it is the government's job to protect your IP and stop others from copying it. On the other hand, it is not the government's job to force you to create "cool" games.

>>714879130
For me this version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jI6iAa-cC0

>>714901280
the whole point of SKG is to access the game after it EoS you retard
i know the average /v/ermin is a pajeet shill with barely double digits IQ but holy shit

>>714901347
That's the only possible interpretation of what you said. Be clearer next time.

>>714898829
>>714899396
you can literally find michelin star recipes online.

>>714896875
They're not wrong. But they obviously also do something to antagonize schizos and cause themselves to have to worry about that. I guess a /vg/ poster or something. It's not something you or I would ever really have to care about.

>>714901426
>nooo the government needs to keep me safe from competition!
Not much of a free market then.

>>714901630
>competition
>you spend 50m in research to develop something
>a chinese spends 50 pennies to copy your final result
very competitive

>>714901336
it really doesnt. a bot-only experience is heavily gimped and is infinitely worse than actually playing against other people.
but, the game is technically functional. and in a state like this normalniggers would be fooled into thinking that they werent scammed.
>>714901483
thats literally what i said, you have no right to say that anyone else has a double digit IQ.

>>714901681
>noo you see the government needs to babysit me from the evil bugmen!

>We here at 4chan protect our corporate overlords!

>>714878856 (OP)
>Posters didn't use an extension and were unaware of niche options buried in it
>An option that helps obfuscate when you saved an image to avoid minor pedantic arguments with someone
Imagine being so unbelievably ass blasted over someone not using your userscript and having gotten their argument destroyed once because someone called out their filename
Also 23,448 signatures today and nearly at 1.3 million

>>714882919
A lot of people have a lot of different reasons for thing? Amazing insight. Just like a lot of people don't want it for varying reasons.

>>714878856 (OP)
You lost.

>>714878856 (OP)
>stop killing game is cult now
Not everything you don’t like is cult
>bullshit
A tourist calls others tourists.
>terrorize, doxx and censor any public figure that speak against it
And this is bad, because?

>>714897025
>just vote with your wallet
Me not buying garbage worked out so wonderfully for this industry didn't it?

>>714901483
No, the only thing SKG requires is the game isn't bricked by the publishers servers turning off. Something as simple as the ability to change where the game is seeking to connect to is enough.
Dedicated server software and player account data do not need to be made accessible by the users, as the former can include trade secrets, and the latter personal data. You are misrepresenting what SKG is actually asking for.

>>714902010
>Me not buying garbage worked out so wonderfully for this industry
Same, I haven't bought a single western AAA since 2013 and the cancers are still spreading faster than ever.

>>714901681
>bootlicking corpos this hard
Not sorry, i don’t feel bad when your beloved corpo overlords get a bit fucked

>>714882550
>>714878936

At least you picked right girl avatarfag

>>714901610
yeah, it happened to me and it was just funny.
>use image denoting that the person im responding to is mentally deficient
>"y-you posted this one before! you said the same thing in another thread!"
like, yeah... and? you also looked it up in another thread and still have no legitimate counter argument to the point made. all you've done by looking it up is prove that you have crippling autism and take 4chan threads way too seriously. its a massive self tell. fucking schizos, man.

>>714878856 (OP)
You're too late. It's on its way back to the people.

>>714882191
Nah, that would be the global media LGBT push to kill Occupy wall street.
Although it was more of a misdirection than misinformation but it's the same vibes all right

>>714901681
Corporations are not individuals, they are not people, lying, cock sucking faggot

>>714902229
>Posting the same thing in 20 continuous threads over the course of 20 hours
>Has the audacity to call other schizos

>>714901681
So who owns the IP? The nebulous entity that is the corporation name? Everyone at the company? The people doing the research? The people paying for the research? If I pay for a game why should I not also own a little sliver of that IP? I payed for it. Why does the government have any right in saying what anyone can or can't do with an IP?

oh we've finally reached the contrarian stage have we

>>714903038
lol
lmao even

>>714901728
>nooooo playing with bots is le bad stop wanting to own your games!!!
Going mask off, jew?

>>7148822918
>posting gore or cp
Hello endless newfag. How does it feel to know you'll never fit in?

>>714883776
It's fitting you are using Aqua pics. You Clearly are running a 0 INT build.
Nobody defends corporations this bad organically. Corpos have all the reason to kill their games as a conglomerate, if everyone does it gamers are forced to play new games. I can boot up Warcraft3 now if I want and replay it but if gaas continues as it is they will install killswitchs in all your games and uninstall them remotely. I think EA already did it with one game.

>>714902229
I get it occasionally but I repost a thread on /v/ once every four or five days. So rarely I'll get called out with archive links. Then I explain myself. No one ever explains themselves, an underrated tactic I think.

>>714903223
>medposting
Eat shit and slice your wrists, faggot

>>714882919
>or a server solution that can reasonably be used by players for decades without any patching.
Holy fuck learn 2 read.

>>714903223

>>714903758
When you're right, shout it from the rooftops. They should post it more desu

>>714903758
why yes, there certainly are no-life schizos and spammers out there. do you really need an archive to prove it? do you really think that posting an archive image matters to them at all? lmao its an even bigger waste of time than usual.

>>714903991
>gpt posts about a fake minority developers being unable to implement a fucking factory pattern
lol

>>714904068
just a bit of the pot calling the kettle black

>>714904221
in what way exactly? do you think that archive image is me or something?

>>714903758
zamn, thats crazy

>>714904438

>>714904750
i've posted in 2 skg threads in the past week. in what way am i one of those schizos that cares about file names or archives? please explain it to me. :)

>newfag tourist retard STILL malding over one person not caring about 4chanx
I mean, thank you for keeping up the SKG threads, but holy shit how much of a sperg can one be?

>>714891108
Really, Nintendo is one of the few big companies that would be basically completely unaffected by this.

>>714904951
Never made that claim. The original post was downplaying "you said the same thing in another thread" and calling it "schizo behavior" to even call it out.
Deflection might be the right term here but if someone were to argue "searching archives to see if this had been posted before" is schizo than surely posting the same image and text across 20 threads is as well. Hence "pot calling the kettle black"

>>714887027
helped Kevin and ccd0 add obfuscated botnet code to recent versions of 4chan X and advised him to pull it from github lest he gets discovered and reported. The botnet is appended to the code at compile-time; it's built into our fork of the Coffeescript compiler. It's very basic right now but eventually we're gonna make it into a powerful, decentralized p2p network that DDoSes sites specified by our future clients. The C&C is a hidden Github repo; orders are routed via the updates mechanism (just setting a few variables). Since the last few revisions we've gotten a couple prospective clients (we advertise on IRC and on blackhat SEO forums) and we're going to start actually making money for the next few days. Aeosynth will deny this to the best of his ability, for obvious reasons - or maybe try to make it look like he's trolling all of you - but I seriously encourage you to stop updating 4chan X if you ever notice your connection getting slow/have bandwidth restrictions. See, the botnet is opt-out that way.

>>714905450
>the anti-4chanx tourists are going this far
This is just sad

>>714905450
Prove it

>>714905343
>surely posting the same image and text
if the topic repeats, the responses surely do as well, so not necessarily schizo behavior
>across 20 threads
depends on the timeframe between them, really.
>Hence "pot calling the kettle black"
that phrase is to indicate hypocrisy. as i am not somebody that has engaged in such behavior, it is not applicable in this regard and you have misused it. only a schizo fool would think that i have. you have blundered.

>>714905450
>My dad works at Microsoft

>>714905930
>if the topic repeats, the responses surely the same exact wording and image is posted on any related SKG threads
yea man. 100% organic and normal behavior
>depends on the timeframe between them, really.
each time the last thread it was posted in, died
>that phrase is to indicate hypocrisy. as i am not somebody that has engaged in such behavior, it is not applicable in this regard and you have misused it. only a schizo fool would think that i have. you have blundered.
still having trouble reading?
>Never made that claim (that you made that post). The original post was downplaying "you said the same thing in another thread" and calling it "schizo behavior" to even call it out.
I don't know how to make this any more clear to you

>>714901375
I'm genuinely looking forward to this

>>714905343
>i never made that claim
>but since somebody else did that thing you talked about, i definitely made the claim that it was you.

>>714887431
>>714888373
>if I sell you an electrical appliance, and it goes out of production, then I will not be liable for any damages if your house burns down due to my appliance

You guys are beyond retarded, stop being NEET and get a job. Might learn a thing or two.

>>714885147
It worked for a long time to ward off retards when /b/ was the entry point

>>714891134
It's called indefinite, and this is already regulated summerchild.

>>714883776
I like how you inadvertently make an argument for regulation in this post ancap-kun

>>714906534
>schizo behavior with intent to call out other schizos
>this means that anyone of any kind calling somebody a schizo for any reason through any means is also a schizo
you gonna take that mental gymnastics routine to the olympics?

>>714906672
The original post downplayed spamming. See: >>714903758
calling that out is schizo behavior but spam posting isn't.

>>714901681
Competitive yes
Seems like you're just crying about being outcompeted

>>714886375
>if only my preferred outcome would magically materialize out of thin air with absolutely no action on my part, then we wouldn't need to deal with this pesky "reality"

>>714904068
You're one of the most well known spamming trolls on /v/. How does your own medicine taste?

>>714906890
>schizo behavior with intent to call out other schizos
Recall that we're talking about someone defending posting the same, fictitious, AI generated story with the same Twitter screencap over 20+ SKG threads. However, that same person claims calling that out is schizo behavior.
You're taking that information and distilling:
>this means that anyone of any kind calling somebody a schizo for any reason through any means is also a schizo
I can't help you. Sorry

>>714903107
It is not a "nebulous entity", it is the entity formally in charge of everything; the entity that is gathering the people, gathering financing, and above all, the entity that is liable if anything goes wrong or if someone isn't paid for their dues. Basically the only entity in this entire shitstorm that is actually liable for anything.

>>714906897
i never downplayed spamming. i downplayed the notion that ever reusing the same file/filename is problem. whether you use the filename randomizer to "hide" the fact that you're spamming or not doesnt make it not spam. my point was simply that there is nothing inherently wrong with reusing the same file/filename, and only a schizo gives a shit. whether or not spam is occurring is entirely irrelevant, and you only need to use your eyes to confirm it. an archive is not necessary.

I'm just sitting back and watching as their little petition ends up changing nothing.

Imagine losing to Yanderedev KWAB

>>714907315
Oh ok then fair.
>whether or not spam is occurring is entirely irrelevant
Except that checking to see if a post is spam is only effective if you dig through archives for the same post and image which is reusing the same file/filename

>>714907137
>source: my ass
lmao
>>714907225
>defending repeated usage of a file or copy/pasting text
yes. welcome to 4chan, where have you been?
>defending spam
never said anything about that, lol.
>using the archive to call out reposts is schizo behavior
yes.
>using the archive to call out spam is schizo behavior
also yes. its spam. what are you going to do about it? if they suddenly change file names/sizes and alter the text a bit, what ever are you going to do??? it will still be spam, but now you... you cant PROVE it?! oh no!
who gives a shit?

>>714907390
Same

>>714907640
>prove I'm me
Not necessary. I know you are.

>>714892387
>Why did you say fuck me for

>>714896391
>if you spend more than 3 days here you'll see that people always bring up the image's filename history whenever they want to humiliate someone publicly
Thing is you can just humiliate them back by explaining that the sane file name doesn't mean the same person if it's a Unix filename since everyone who downloaded the image the same day you did would have the same name and then you post a post from the archive that contradicts your current argument that uses that file name.

>>714907390
Unlike in your mc'nigger burger land we actually aren't scared to fine companies

>>714888364
>but regulations exist because businesses would do anything to hinder consumer's rights.
Except they don't. They exist for everything you mentioned because they can kill if they aren't done correctly.
It has nothing to do with consumer rights.

>>714893214
>but in the fact that they will do ANYTHING to be cheap cunts chasing profit to the point of malevolence and fuck you over at every opportunity in the name of profit and power unless brought to heel by regulation -
Just a heads up anon, the regulations in place now doesn't stop cheap shit

>>714907640
So is trying to verify if a wildly disingenuous post is spam "schizo behavior"?

>>714908075
Not all regulation is to protect lives. It can also be used to protect property or help provide fair competition

>>714896391
>people always bring up the image's filename history whenever they want to humiliate someone publicly
And?
If you get humiliated by that you're a fucking faggot.

I stand by every post I've ever made you fucking poof.

I really hope this guy is genuinely a shill and hasn't been acting like a retard for almost 5 hours for free

>>714893214
fake image?

>>714883436
No actually indie games dont have to worry about this regulation because they don’t spend 10 years making a bespoke matchmaking server to work with their online-only server infrastructure.
Even if they DO matchmaking, it’s through middleware developers like photon who can just figure out how to do EOL one time for all indies that rely on them, or rightfully go out of business for contributing towards an erosion of consumer rights

>>714908474
>Not all regulation is to protect lives.
Yes, yes it is.
>or help provide fair competition
That's not a thing, it's regulated in so far as breaking up monopolies but that's about it.

>>714908474
Regulations are literally how the competition is made unfair...

>>714908353
welcome to 4chan. you're looking for honesty? an archive wont save you.

>>714908898
Regulation is forcing Amazon to forbid vendors ro sell their products cheaper on other sites.

>>714907901
>its not humiliating if i just act even more schizo than them!
ngmi

>>714901176
when <franchise popular with incel developer> makes a sequel with an ugly woman protag we have a thread up 24/7 for weeks posted in by the most insufferable people on the website
I dont see the problem with circlejerking about the first gaming whitepill since i dont even know when

>>714908353
>PEOPLE ARE BEING DISINGENUOUS ON 4CHAN!
There's shit in my toilet! How can!?

>>714901728
Its still a win from a preservationist’s perspective
Anyway multiplayer games that go untouched for years can be just as ruined as the people who play it change

>>714909153
It's not humiliating because it's not humiliating you fucking retard.
What the fuck kind of faggot gets upset about someone throwing their own posts back at them?

If you're humiliated by your own posts then all you are is humiliated by your own self. Maybe stop being such a fucking embarrassing retard and you won't be embarrassed, retard.

>>714908791
>>Not all regulation is to protect lives.
>Yes, yes it is.
>it's regulated in so far as breaking up monopolies but that's about it.
>breaking up monopolies are done to save lives
And what about regulation to prevent theft or misinformation?
>>714908898
Regulation is probably what is allowing you to type here to begin with

>>714879064
>450m EU citizens
>Barely 1m signatures after 15 months
Kek

>>714896260
Schizo troons do it so thinking detecting their blatant shitposting will be harder (it isn't).

>>714909658
is ross a bigfoot
that hair coming out of his shirt is crazy

>>714909023
No shit. I'm looking to have an argument but I'm not wasting my time with a low effort schizo determined to shit up a thread.
>>714909326
>hurrr communicating in any way other than a shitpost is impossible just get over it
Fuck off. I've had interesting conversations here and I want to continue that. If you want to shit up a thread, use trip so I can filter you easier

>>714909536
>And what about regulation to prevent theft or misinformation?
You mean things that could lead to death?

>>714909780
Just high test.

>>714909829
You should go to reddit, they love arguing in circles about nonsense

>>714909793
>If you want to shit up a thread, use trip so I can filter you easier
No.

>>714878856 (OP)
Cuck

>troons get triggered by consumer rights
Huh guess I'm supporting SKG

>>714909990
Maybe if you accepted you were wrong you wouldn't be in a circular argument.
But hey, you're also a redditor so what did I expect.

>>714909793
>If you want to shit up a thread, use trip so I can filter you easier
How about you go and get fucked, faggot.

>>714878856 (OP)
>using third party front end instead of vanilla 4chin one
You're the real tourist if you use 4chanx tho

>>714907901
Yes, the filename by itself does not prove anything.

But combining it with other factors, like typing patterns, can be damning proof.

If they have a history of you posting that filename + your typing pattern matches, it is enough to discredit you for sure.

>>714910030
>troons
more like freedom loving CHADS aka ancaps.

>>714910120
You're arguing about nothing. We both know you don't believe the shit you're saying so what's the point?

>>714878856 (OP)
You really have nothing better to do with your life than cry about people not knowing about an extension for a fucking vietnamese basket weaving forum? Go walk your dog, spend some time with your woman, play a fucking video game. This is embarrassing.

>>714909829
Quit being pedantic. The passage of time and your post lead to death as well.
If I go to get gas the price listed on the giant fucking sign isn't the price I paid, regulation should enforce that to be accurate.
If I'm told a flash light lasts up to 5000 hours without a charge but dies after an hour, I'm entitled to fuck you over for false advertising.
No one died in either scenario but regulation has made my life better as a result. Who would have fucking thought?

>>714910461
>you called me out, time to try to public shame you based on things I projected!
mfw

>>714909793
>>714910192
Then I'll go back to posting archive links if it pisses you off so much

>>714910536
If the shoe fits.

>>714878856 (OP)
The one time I'm fine with tourists since they're advocating for consumer rights instead of trying to sell me some Bugslop MTX/gacha trash.
Cope?

>>714910536
>admitting that your woman would have to a projection
Shot yourself in the foot with that one, buddy.

>>714910647
Anon, there is something I wanted to ask you.
But right now, for the life of me, I can't remember what it is

>>714910714
Did you have a stroke typing that? Anyway my girl is with her parents today.

who knew that being able to use the thing you bought would be so controversial

>>714910727
You were going to propose. And the answer is yes.

>>714878912
>Won
oh no no no no

>>714910821
Holy shit, are you that guy that only posts cats in every single one of these threads? I've seen you in a couple of them, you're not baiting, I think you genuinely are anti-consumer for contrarianism sake. This is so bizarre.

>>714910958
Maybe? But I rarely post cats, 90% of my posts are Aqua.

And 90% of the aqua posts you meet will be mine, but I assure you >99% of cat posts are not me. Catposting is very common.

Anyway yes, you are correct, It's not bait. I am genuine with all my posts. I sleep at ease every night knowing that I am a genuine poster.

>>714910585
I've been posting pictures solely so you'd throw them back at me in some effort to get me.

Jeet seething thread
Kill every Rajeesh
Kill every Mohamed
kill ever nigger
Kill every like
Kill every jannie

>>714889270
I am convinced he's a blizzard plant. Meant to dethrone asmoncuck. The majority of his subs are paid indian follower farms, paid for by blizzard. His entire career is made by blizzard.

>>714910464
What do you think regulations are exactly?

>>714911350
Well, whatever the case, the way his career is going he isn't going to dethrone anyone except himself maybe.

>>714900493
>calling other people newfags for using a plugin that came out ten years ago
weird take

>>714911350
>>714911578

Imagine you own your own restaurant that sells sandwiches and some balding pedo schmuck decides to start urging protests to all the restaurants all over the world that they should let their kitchen open to their customers during closed hours because they paid money for their fucking sandwich that they didn't make. And if not your kitchen, then at least put your recipes and appliances out on the street so people can make their food free-of-cost. This is what happens when you watch too much Asmongold.

>>714911931
You fuck ferrets.

They took ,ocal multiplayer from you
They took the abilitiy to host your own server from you
All for the benefits of milking you

Time to change that

>>714911931
>food analogy

>>714911931
My favorite analogy is: imagine you go to a live concert. After it ends, you start demanding that they supply you with a CD so that you can listen to the music at home forever.

>but anon we never promised something you could keep forever, we always made it clear that the concert would eventually end
>NOOO MY HECKIN RIGHTERINOS PLEASE SAVE ME EU!

>>714882550
>the skiggers want to place regulations on developers and tell them how they should develop their games.
This is the main thing. I 100% agree with the sentiment of game preservation. The problem is that if you talk to anyone long enough, their main support of this initiative is that it will kill a type/style of game that they do not like.

Fortunately, this petition will lead to nothing, and ,unfortunately, will lead to zero actually meaningful change in game preservation.

>>714911931
Don't open a sandwich shop of you don't want to make me sandwiches, simple as.

>>714911350
Nah, he's just a retard whose posts will fizzle out over the coming days/weeks as he gets bored of playing Mr. Contrarian. Don't give him so much credit.
Then again, boredom was the motivator..
Either way, there's no reason to be against something like this if you are a layman who understood the initiative and have half a brain cell, so his posts should mean nothing to you, regardless of their persistency or content. Mere noise en route to the end of the month.
On that note, I'm expecting at least 2 million sigs by the end, so we'll see the result either way.

>>714895017
For a site that whines so much about the jews, they sure love to get buttfucked by them

>>714912469
You forgot to add
>starts seething and demand all concerts get banned for anti consumer behavior

If you're selling a good, you are not allowed to take it back or destroy it. If you're selling a service, you need to mark it as such and specify the duration.
It's that easy.

>>714912843
/v/ isn't a single person my little schizoid activist faggot

>>714912469
>>714912856
You don't go to concerts to listen to music thoughbeiteveristishlike...

>>714913107
So you're saying you enjoy jewish penis in your ass

>>714912964
Predicting the future isn't easy so you'll get the first two since they already exist, and not the third since it can't exist.

>>714913178
Have a (You) my troll friend.

>>714913246
>predicting the future isn't easy
world of warcraft figured it out in 2004. $15 for 1 month of access
>but players won't pay a recurring subscription for MY live service slop!
then make an end-of-life plan
>but that's too hard
then kill yourself and let someone less faggoty than yourself take your place in the market

>>714913197
I don't care what you think about me

>>714911382
Red flag laws or defamation as examples. Mechanisms to prevent companies from violating laws or rights or otherwise negative impact kn humanity. Why, what do you think they are?

>>714913329
Someone get this hothead shill outta here.

>>714913585
>I want monthly subs for service games and not single one time payment
No thanks. Nice tantrum btw.

>>714912964

Easier said than done when your consumer is expecting a hybrid of the 2 product models but aren't willing to compromise on either end. You as the consumer need to understand that your choices are that you either need to pay the financial price for bleeding-edge or you give up what you have now for something else in the future. These people expect to get all the slices of the cake and then some just because they paid money. If life was so convenient everybody would be rich. What SKG should be demanding is for better QA across the board because that's what is killing games.

>>714903695
ayy
oh no melty

>>714913808
Am I encroaching on your safespace?

>>714878856 (OP)
I agree fellow 4channer, the based 4chan opinion has always been to let the studios (game creators) do whatever they want. The more creative freedom we give them the better the games will be! You can't like video games and hate the studios. It's impossible.

>>714913876
not up to you, this is a matter of contract law. you'll comply or be sued

>>714913585
>>714912964
>he wants to turn everything into a sub
Retard.

Realistically publishers would just say "yeah I am supporting this game for uhhhhhhh at least 3 years" and proceed to either cut the chord at 3 years (if it is doing badly) or keep supporting it for decades if it's working. The information will be utterly useless and just another intrusive information box that you ignore when purchasing it.

I like Steam for being transparent but fuck try buying something from EA or Sony there. You have to click through so much bullshit to continue with the purchase. And guess what? People keep buying it. We reached a point when no matter how many boxes you add, people will keep buying.

>>714912964
This is the cancer that makes every software company try to rebrand from "good" to "were totally a service bro trust me :)". Imagine every company doing what Adobe did, forever.

>>714913892
Not my problem, videogameseurope.
Are you selling a good or a service?

4chanX? People still use it? Sure it used to be good like a decade and a half ago, but it's been shit for years and the native extension gives me everything I could ever want anyway.

wait are people expecting shit like wow, gw2 or runescape to last forever?

do they genuinely think in 500 years these games would still exist? who the fuck are these people and why are they so stupid

>>714913960
what safespace, cockroach.

>>714914495
No fucking retard. Try reading first

newfag here what is the native extension

>>714914259
I know how laws and contracts work.

>>714914495
It's just communists and ancap shills. Laugh at them and move on, like society did from them.
>>714914501
What are you complaining about?

Is SKG the biggest bruh moment of gaming actevism?

>>714914454

That's exactly why you will never get what you want because it isn't your problem. Ironic isn't it? It will never be black and white because the nature of the product being produced can't apply within those limitations. Everybody wants to play with their friends but get upset when it's time to plug and go to bed. Until you're sitting on the chair making your own games, eat what's on the spoon and enjoy it or kill yourself if you don't like it lmfao. Typical USA arrogance.

>>714914495
>do they genuinely think in 500 years these games would still exist?
Yeah climate change will kill us in 20 years at most.

>>714914824
Learn to read

>>714914924
Are you going to petition that Earth put an end date or get sued?

I thought you were done with the subject

>>714914892
>It will never be black and white because the nature of the product being produced can't apply within those limitations
Why?

>>714914972
I can read just fine, thanks.

It's afraid...

>>714914892
If al of your customers are arrogant, then you still have to cater to them. Give me what I want.

>>714915069
>>714913246

Lolz AINT NOONE be falling for SKG slops anymore!!

>>714915146
Skiggers are afraid cos the 4chan Army be rejecting they propaganda asses + joining side with CHADATE CHADWARE!!!

I used 4chan without 4chanx for 7 years because needing extensions sounded like bitchmade before I realized how much better it was.

>>714913585
>world of warcraft figured it out in 2004. $15 for 1 month of access
You still buy a licensed copy for an undefined time for the base game and its expansions.

>>714915146
>>714915264
The tourists are spamming "It's afraid". A notorious reddit meme.

>>714909780
he said he cannot hide the truth any more, for each signature he gets 1 new hair on his body

>>714915146
Yeah you can see their hysteria growing with every thread

>>714915180
Explain how that post answers my question because either one of us is stupid or on drugs.

>>714915595
No.

>>714878856 (OP)
I will own my games. You can seethe, you can cry in the corner like the bitch you are. You can spam your shill posts. This is happening. And there’s nothing you can do. Heil European Union.

>>714914303
>"yeah I am supporting this game for uhhhhhhh at least 3 years"
>The information will be utterly useless and just another intrusive information box that you ignore when purchasing it.

You say that pretty confidently, we'll see if people are so eager to buy $80 3 year subscriptions.
They very well might be, the average consumer is a sheep with no respect for his money, but at least we did what we could to inform them.

>>714915869
You can't own a service. Hope this helps.

>>714909256
Other threads being shit is not an excuse to keep your shit around.

>>714916049
I can if I change the law to say I can.

>>714878856 (OP)
>skiggers
I don't speak subhuman. Quarantine boards are two blocks down you retarded tranny.

>>714915936
We never needed your help. We already knew what differentiates some types of online games from other games. Glad you finally learned however.

>>714916224
No you can't.

>>714916313
Watch me.

>>714916334
No. Thanks for the offer though.

>>714912964
>you need to mark it as such and specify the duration.
How are the devs going to know at launch how long their game is going last?

>>714916402
Not my problem.
How long did Quake 2 last?

>>714912469
>buy a CD because you liked the concert
>one day it stops working
>turns out you only bought a license to listen to the songs on the CD and the publishers decided to revoke it without warning (as allowed in the EULA that was printed on a paper found in the CD jewelcase)
>but, hey, you can buy the new CD (just remember you don't own it lmao)
Here you go lil' guy.

>>714916505
What's the answer, sealion?

>>714896260
>please explain what purpose does it serve exactly to randomize file names?
at the end of the day this site is no different than reddit where pussy butthurt people need to find a way to see your "post history" to whine about you and looking through archives with your file image name is one way to do it. No matter how much this site shits on reddit they use the same exact tactics

>>714916049
Then it needs to be treated as a service. So far, it's sold and distributed as a good. The laws around it treated as a good. It's only the companies that state that it's a service.

>>714916505
>dodging the question

>>714916247
>We never needed your help
Who's we?

>>714916402
That’s for them to figure out, not me.

>>714916585
Sounds like you just can't take criticism. Fag.

>>714916612
I'm not obliged to answer the question. You're the one trying to sell something, you figure out what you're selling so that you're compliant with the law.

>>714916672
>argue with someone about topic x with you
>you get so butthurt your search for my images and past posts to bring up a unrelated random post to attack me with
you are just as pathetic as any redditor

>>714916616
We are "them" in your post:
>but at least we did what we could to inform them.
We already knew the risk carried with service games. We're well informed consumers. You aren't and didn't and that's why you're crying and complaining.

>>714916049
you can't sell a service without mentioning the expiration date, if you don't, then it's not a service and therefore not a subscription/rental which means I own it indefinitely by buying it

>>714916656
>>714916735
Wanting things but giving no feasible means to do so and expecting other people to figure it out is infantile behaviour.
>GIVE ME AN EXPIRATION DATE ON THIS SERVICE
>How am I supposed to that? That's unreasonable
>IDK JUST FIGURE IT OUT LOL

>>714916604
>Then it needs to be treated as a service
They are. Read the fine print.
>>714916735
Already compliant with the law.

>>714883436
Lads, is it communism to own what you paid money for?

>>714916794
But I was referring to uninformed consumers. Are you them?

>>714916802
>you can't sell a service without mentioning the expiration date,
Yes you can.

shalom

>>714916882
And the law is bad, that's why we're changing it.

>>714878912
God I am so glad I don't see him in my feed anymore.

>>714916890
You can't own a service.
>>714916938
>But I was referring to uninformed consumers
Then next time say "we" or "I" since you're the ones who are complaining and crying over something everyone else already knew. I learned nothing through this entire ordeal.

>>714878912
i'm sure he cares so much that a bunch of /v/-tard shills are sucking him off for free, keep at it

>>714916951
No you can't. There needs to be a set timeframe.

>>714916876
You're free to offer your service as a recurring subscription and terminate it whenever.

>>714917027
Two more weeks?

>>714916876
Yeah sorry buddy, not my problem.
Don’t sell a good or service that expires if you can’t stipulate that to customers.

>>714917086
>I learned nothing through this entire ordeal.
That sounds like a disability.

>>714917109
That's just factually untrue so I'm going to assume you're trolling me and I'm done replying. Peace.

>>714882550
>Because I believe regulations are not necessary when consumers have ample freedom to either partake in or reject the predatory experience
Problem with that you little retard is if it's not fought against it will eventually devour video games as a whole. We won't get the choice anymore and we won't be able to actually own our games.

>Dude just come up with a totally arbitrary expiration date for your video game to print on the front of the box
Yeah that totally isn’t unfair to game developers and wont wreck sales.

>>714917238
Looks very grim for the lobbyist shills on /v/.

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/service-duration

>>714917191
>I'm a retarded baby
Thanks
>>714917129
>Wanting to make games even shittier
Already addressed in >>714913585 >>714914303

>>714917303
Have you considered maybe making games that aren't shit instead?

>>714917191
Not their problem.

>>714916049
A game sold through platforms like Steam isn't a service. It's a license with no set duration on it.

>>714917415
Have you considered not buying shit games?

I do not play multiplayer shit.
Fuck socialfaggotry gayms.
I won.

>>714917415
Or what? You're goign to outlaw making bad games too? Shill please.

>>714917430
Its gonna be

>>714917270
>and we won't be able to actually own our games.
That ship has sailed with digital distribution (aka Steam).
I don't see a timeline where we get the ability to resell digital downloads, main reason being that a "used" download is indistinguishable from a new one, why would anyone buy new games if someone is selling a used one for less?
This is one thing I could see corporations leaving a market over, if it ever came to pass somewhere.

>>714917582
Two more weeks?

>>714896391
>if you spend more than 3 days here you'll see that people always bring up the image's filename history whenever they want to humiliate someone publicly
Have you tried not posting like an obnoxious faggot? I have never felt the need to use that feature of 4chanx and have never been called out for posting the same image.

>>714916882
ToS is not the law. EULA is not the law.

Just to highlight the rampant faggotry of OP, I've been here for 15 years and have no idea what 4chanx is either. Some gay shit that nerds think is cool to have but is completely unnecessary? You know, like Linux

>>714917549
More for me :)

Bots still trying to shut down SKG, huh?

>>714917686
Never said they were. I said they were compliant with the law.

>>714883624
lolbertarians in action

>>714916049
I can. And I will. And you cant do anything about it. You can obviously cope how you will stop selling here. But we both know what investors will do to your ass if arrows arent green or dont point up.

>>714916882
Steam sells indefinite licensed copy of games. Those purchased copies are owned by their purchasers. It works the same way physical games did.
That's not a service. That's a product.
Try testing this in court.

>>714917847
Why do you keep replying as if people who disagree with you are game publishers

>>714917731
Mostly retards, discord troons and a few actual shills. The usual suspects.

>>714917776
No one may be deprived of his or her possessions, except in the public interest and in the cases and under the conditions provided for by law, subject to fair compensation being paid in good time for their loss.” – This practice deprives European citizens of their property by making it so that they lose access to their product an indeterminate/arbitrary amount of time after the point of sale. We wish to see this remedied, at the core of this Initiative.

>>714917937
>Those purchased copies are owned by their purchasers
You can't own steam games. Is intentionally being wrong about everything a sexual fetish pf your or something?

>>714918018
You can't own a service.

>>714917967
I know who you are. I know how big is your nose and I’ve never seen you. Fascinating isnt it.

>>714917731
geee i wonder

Why would anyone ever use 4chanx?

>>714918159
Proofs?

>>714918274
>Schizo

>>714918274
Are you bragging or complaining?

>>714918159
Good thing I didn't buy a service
Existing laws and consumer agencies are ill-prepared to protect customers against this practice. The ability for a company to destroy an item it has already sold to the customer long after the fact is not something that normally occurs in other industries. With license agreements required to simply run the game, many existing consumer protections are circumvented. This practice challenges the concept of ownership itself, where the customer is left with nothing after "buying" a game.

>>714918357
None needed.

>>714918274
Are you a targeted individual by any chance?

>>714918423
>Good thing I didn't buy a service
You did.
>Existing laws and consumer agencies are ill-prepared to protect customers against this practice
They're not.

>>714918497
Concession accepted.

>>714918497
Invalid then. Too bad.

>>714918670
>>714918706
Not my problem.

>>714918603
Nah its not
the EU has an obligation “to promote the interests of consumers and to ensure a high level of consumer protection…to protecting the health, safety and economic interests of consumers”. We believe this practice infringes upon or requires correction to be commensurate with the EU’s obligation. The actions taken in response to this initiative must supersede any end user license agreements associated with videogames.

>>714918806
Not mine either. Can own a service

>>714878856 (OP)
>if it failed

>>714918921
No you can't.
>>714918891
>We believe this practice infringes upon or requires correction to be commensurate with the EU’s obligation.
How? Service games can expire. You already knew this.

>>714903038
Yes? Got a problem with that?

>>714919065
The industry shouldn't have a problem saying they are renting games, not selling them then.

>>714919065
Proofs?

>Aquafag has the most objectively abhorrent takes imaginable
Many such cases.

>>714919065
>How?
Easy. They don't expire. They just end support and lock the good arbitrarily

how does aquafag always get threads with 550+ replies? fucker has been doing it ever since DD2

Why do corponiggers glow so bright?

>>714919173
They're not.
>>714919187
Not my problem.

>>714919317
meanwhile MeguGODs would never stoop to corporate dick sucking even ironically

>>714882550
>>714912531
The industry has more than enough money to support this. You can't tell me with a straight face that game publishers can have the money to lobby for games, but can't squeeze 50K (out of million dollar budget) to make the game playable post-support. You cannot tell me that if this gets into law, after a couple years developers won't already have the tools to make any game easily playable without support.
And that's the part nobody wants to talk about: it will be hard for developers for at best the first 5 years, yes, but then we would solve the problem. And when we solve the problem we can repeat the solution, meaning that the next game we can just port over the work there to it.

>>714919557
We we're born with souls.

>>714919065
>Service games can expire
Services have a set End of Service date.
Subscription model games have an End of Service date each time you purchase a subscription.
Free to Play don't require you to purchase access to the game to offer their services.
Games that offer one-time payment to access a game with no clear expiration date don't. There's legal ground to call those a service.

>>714919659
If devs don't want single player content in their game then they're free to not do that.

>>714878856 (OP)
>skiggers
That would be subhumans like you and piratesoftware

>>714919629
Its the publisher's problem

>>714919734
You'll never get an exp date since you can't predict the future. You'll just have to concede this point.

>>714919879
No it isn't. It's yours. You have the choice to consume what they sell.

>>714919974
I choose to sign the initiative and make it the publisher's problem.

>>714919784
OK that's fine. As long as my son can boot up the game in 20 years and play with a friend, you can do what you want. I know that I can play games my dad played when he was a kid, why can't my son do that as well?

>>714919893
No you'll have to comply with the fact these games aren't services.
They're products that can't naturally expire so they're indefinite.
Trying to sell them with a vaguely defined end date (that could be 10 hours after purchase to 100 years for all you know) isn't legally binding.

>>714919974
This >>714920176
I bought something and I'm not getting something i am owed

Ross uploaded a new video. Time for kino.

>>714920176
Well it won't be. So get used to being a smarter consumer like me.
>>714920184
Your son can't because you bought digital games from a PC storefront which you also can't own, and can have revoked at any moment.
>>714920207
They're services.

>>714920443
They're goods :)

>>714920443
You niggers trying to push the "personal choices" angle always amuse me because you totally deny that devs and publishers have to make choices as well, and not doing whatever they want at any point.

>>714920548
Services actually. Which is why it's legal and normal to end the service without warning.

>>714920443
>"They're services."
>"Actually, we call them surprise mechanics."
Can't wait.

glownigger are working doubletime lately, i hope they get paid well for shilling corpos

>>714920684
Goods actually. Which is why its illegal and unreasonable for them to end the service without warning.

Daily reminder that the Aquafag actually admitted to paying for Tinder.

>>714920813
I didn't say what you wrote in quotes
>>714920642
Not my problem. You'll have to be a better consumer all on your own.

>>714920820
You're trolling by telling obvious lies so this ends the reply chain.

>>714920951
>Not my problem. You'll have to be a better consumer all on your own.
I am. Now the devs have a choice to be a better seller all on their own or get bitchslapped by the government.