* Well, there is a Deltarune Thread here.

>>715207421 (OP)
the thread that didn't exist

I cast RETVRN

DESS IS FUCK THE WHO?

>>715207421 (OP)
>one thread dies
>4 pop up to take its place

Loel

>>715207421 (OP)
Janny's gonna SEETHE

TJD.

Mumble mumble

>>715069407
>this thread got archived
>we get pruned

>tfw rudy has spoiled the next chapters dark world 4 times in a row
dess knight bros... not like this...

>>715208049
Tale as old as the first day the new chapters released

>>715208049
That's it, post more ass, everyone.

>>715207421 (OP)
Okay thread holocaust hour, let's try again.

>Kris never smiles
He'll be smiling at the end of Snowgrave like Sekiro did in the Shura end.

>>715208190
Post more dance you say?

Is Ralsei a femboy?

I legit have zero idea why they think a thread of people actively talking about a game is a bad thing that must be excised
Like legit I'm baffled

Kris is the Sasuke to (Our) Naruto
Love WILL prevail

>>715208447
he is if you got molested

>>715208049
/v/ is so slathered with porn that you may as well just make it the first purple board on 4chan

>>715208617
>he is if you got molested
>"""if"""
You're very optimistic anon, I like that about you.

>>715208482
>Jannies finding out video games are being discussed on the video games board

>>715208396
Sure. Let's dance!

>>715207515
This actually works, by the way. /co/ got to keep its Win'O'Threads by doing exactly that. It's why their logo is a hydra.

>>715208818
Wahoo!

>>715208878
There were only gingerbread monsters at Noelle's kitchen. I wonder if they used to make gingerbread humans too back when Kris used to go over

>>715207421 (OP)
Which thread do I use?

>>715209047
Whichever one the Jannies don't mald at

>>715207879
This mystery child got me like the Mike Pippins
Who are they?
How'd they vanish?
Why do people remember that they are forgotten?
Are they the forgotten man?

>>715208447
only during one scene in chapter 2

>>715207514
Papyrus, apparently.

Should I give Tenma to Metatron?

>>715209160
Hey wait a minute what the fuck

>>715209170
no
don't awaken that ghost's freaky side
he will possess the tv, killing tnena

>>715209160
>dess has skeletons inside of her closet

>>715209434
But Sans is one of the few characters who isn't gay.

>>715209160
I can tell just from that door that Dess would be insuferable to be with.

>>715208913

>>715208686
>Susie Board

Deltatroon

>>715209160
>Papyrus’ Cool Song shares a leitmotif with a section of Raise Up Your Bat
>the Knight’s silhouette somewhat resembles that of Papyrus
>the “fraud knight” memes
Papyrus will be a Knight, alright. Albeit a meager fraud.

Why are there 2 threads? Which one is the real one?

I didn't see if it got answered in the last thread, but I just beat chapter 1. Do the secret bosses get harder? Jevil was ezpz.

>>715209558
Truly, star crossed lovers

>>715209572
why is he doing the mettaton ex pose?

>>715209689
Second one is easier.

>>715209512
A huge bitch, perhaps?

Why doesn't Jevil have the yellow and pink theme on him despite being schizo related?
Its because this Friend/yellowpink thing only started from Chapter 2?

>>715209713
He loves mettaton

>>715209160
Unironically what if Dess and Papyrus are connected like maybe they're the same person or something in the Deltaverse idk it's Toby Fox

>>715209761
Zamn, what the fuck. Did Toby lose his touch?

>>715209170
Its what he would have wanted.

>>715207421 (OP)
Toby Foxfags learning the term 'leitmotif' has done irreversible damage to the human race, and brings us all that much closer to the end of humanity

>>715209160
>Dess is a Red Herring for the knight.
>The knight is actually Papyrus.
Imagine.

Here is a thing:
During the chapter 2 era, it was pretty much unanimously agreed that the Knight was the one manipulating the chapter bosses and Gaster was the one manipulating the secret bosses.
Why have people switched to blaming it all on the Knight now?

>>715209558
>>715209691
God, I enjoyed ruining something so pure.

Chapter 5 will introduce a character named Dans. ||Dess after not surviving||

Noeelleleeeee wifey wiffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>715208396

>>715209769
you're not supposed to trust these kinds of patterns it seems

>>715209794
Nah. Boss is a lot of fun, but the fact it's mostly plays like a traditional smuck makes it way easier.

>>715209689
Depends on what you're good at, I suck ass at Zelda so shadow mantle was probably the worst one for me

>>715209769
jevil sorta fits if you squint, he's purple and yellow
but friend itself first appears in ch2, yeah

>>715209824
Don't blame me my MO is to just let the storyteller do their thing

>>715209768
What are her odds of a cameo at some point?

>>715208878
Oh so that's what happened to mini-kris

>>715209768
>Never read Homestuck
She's evil, right?

>>715209558
Both Kris and Noelle look off-model.

>>715209823
Tobycore

>>715209689
Only the third.

>>715210003
I've wanted for a long time for there to be an Undertale mod that makes it have a battle system like Deltarune. It'd be a lot of work and balance, but I think it would be cool

>>715209824
Lack of context, since we have officially seen the knight people have an easier time blaming it for everything.

>>715210003
Frisk is OP

>>715210003
Kris.

>>715208256
He smiled at the diner date with Susie and laughed when she failed to skip rocks.

>>715210005
No, she was retconned into literally never having done anything wrong and being the single most important good person.

Anyone else hope mystery man isn't Gaster? I love what fans have done with the cracked face design, but I hope when we see Gaster it's something completely out of left field. [redacted] is the only thing to actually type with his font and voice, so I don't know why more people didn't latch onto that design.

>>715210003
Frisk always.

>>715210115
Only due to us.

>>715210003
kris, because if a child could bring the entire underground to it's knees, a teenage would demolish it

>>715210005
Yeah, she’s a huge bitch. Hell, you could even interpret her as the one responsible for all the shit that hits the fan in the story. All of that, just for a battle that she can’t ever win.

>>715210003
Kris wouldn't leave the ruins

>>715210003
underground is just way shorter so yeah Kris would solo that shit. Not to mention dark worlds are made with 3 party members in mind.

>>715208508
I thought Susie was his Naruto.

We're more like, which one was the perverted one. We are that guy.

>>715210003
Kris

>>715209689
Jevil is probably the second hardest by now.
Secret boss #2 is Asgore-tier hard in the normal route and somewhat harder than that in the evil route.
Secret boss #3 is hard because of a very out of nowhere change in the control scheme.
Secret boss #3.5 might be harder than Sans, but it doesn't troll you like him and the fight isn't as long.
Secret boss #4 has tricky patterns but the damage is very forgiving. Just know well which actions you actually should take during the battle.
Secret boss #4.5 has another big change in the control scheme but once you get it it's not hard.

>>715210201
Kris is weak

>>715210214
If Dess-Knight is Ancestral Awakening Vriska, who’s the Bec Noir she’ll try to defeat in her megalomania?

>>715210245
Maybe you're right, in any case I just hope we can befriend Kris cause I love that lil nigga

>>715210160
Because Mystery Man makes too much sense.
A good compromise would be that Gaster looks KIND of like Mystery Man, but not completely like him.

>>715210003
Frisk canonically has unwavering determination. Kris has jackshit.

If Kris isn't evil, explain this

>>715210112
But I've seen people blame even Seam by now

>>715209572
>knight is an amalgam of siblings
hey where's asriel

>>715208190

>>715208190
remember, kris is weak to anal attacks

>>715210003
Kris has a real knife from the start.

>>715210356
You think a kid is evil for acting edgy?

>>715210356
wants to scare the soul so we don't make his life H"E"LL

>>715210106
https://youtu.be/A86OxLX9KWU?t=50
Boy do I have news for you

>>715210356
Hot girls can't be evil. At worse shes morally grey.

>>715210303
>Secret boss #4 has tricky patterns but the damage is very forgiving. Just know well which actions you actually should take during the battle.
>Secret boss #4.5 has another big change in the control scheme but once you get it it's not hard.
There are 2 in 4? I only know of 1.

>>715210003
Kris is stronger but he is such a cringy drama-queen he would ruin everything no matter which route you took.
Frisk would let you guide him through the most effective choices.

>>715210356
Toby trying to be misleading.

Which is why you shouldn't be fooled by attempts to make Carol seem sinister.

>>715210362
Because Shawm is even more suspicious than he was before, and he was already mad weird.

Are we ever going to see another human in Deltarune?

>>715210464
>hot
>girl
>no tits, no ass
that's not a girl

>>715209769
He is only yellow (value)
Doesn't have pink (love)
He obtained true freedom

Should I play Earthbound/Mother 3?
I'm trying to play FF7 Rebirth but man the open world shit is boring gigaslop.
I also tried Mother 1 a while back and got filtered by the encounter rate and lack of story.

>>715210537
Gaster or Dess are human

>>715210447
>Two Frisks
Is this shit multiplayer?

>>715210468
you gotta either know a code ahead of time or load your chapter 4 save again after beating the last boss

>>715210537
Once we find Dess, yeah

>>715210356
he's fucking with (you)
he acts normal when he thinks (you) aren't looking in ch4
man just wants to eat pie, drink choccy milk, and hang out with susie
maybe rescue dess while he's at it as well

>>715210537
Dess

>>715210326
uhh

i personally think all of you should kill yourselves

>>715210558
Earthbound is really fun. You might need more of an inner voice and connection to your soul to properly enjoy it if you couldn't find love in Earthbound Zero. If that is the case, you'll do fine with Mother 3, the worst game in the series. It's still good, but it never reaches the same highs.

>>715210321
Anyone that can launch a puck at a small target like a floating heart from under a bed isn't going to be as weak as a child.

>>715210626
cool story

>>715210569
Yeah, there was a multiplayer feature showcased earlier in the video. It's definitely optional, though.

>>715210590
He's trolling me? . . .
That's pretty cute, I want to be Kris'ses friend.

>>715210381
I was surprised when I put in CNT and nothing happened

>>715210641
This guy is schizophrenic btw

>>715210626
That's not very nice
Say you're sorry this instant

>>715210552
she's wearing baggy, oversized clothing that used to belong to her brother because toriel is too cheap to by kris her own things
she could be flat as a board, or be hiding sweater puppies, we just don't know

>>715210191
Untrue. Even if we apply Deltarune logic to Undertale, it's not like having a player makes Kris stronger.

>>715210003
Kris can't get pass Flowey. Nor Asgore. Nor Asriel.

>>715210326
It’s Kris. It was always going to be Kris. Ignore >>715210603.

>>715210626
im too scared
you go first and i'll do it after

>>715210408
Is this real?

>>715181527
Reminder this midwit faggot never followed up with a coherent response when presented with Toriel being made to be in the right at the end of Undertale. Toby Fox is a hack writer, deal with it.

>>715210558
Earthbound requires a very specific mentality to get into, but if you click with it theres nothing else quite like it.
Mother 3 is all around a better experience, so go for it, that way you will also understand the paralelisms with the knight.
Theres a Mother 1 remake coming at some point in the next years, you might want to be weary of that.

>>715210663
Sweet, I'll have to look into it. Thanks anon, you're a real cucumber you know? Um, not a cool one, but...

>>715209954
idk always saw Jevil as green and purple

>>715210558
You should play the Mother 25th Anniversary Edition romhack (or one of the forks) for the best experience with that game.
But I feel it's best to start with Earthbound, or even Mother 3 if you can't stomach authentic retro JRPGs at all

>>715210823
yes
the prophecy apparently says that kris is for rimming

>>715210537
I wish my human wives would return.

>>715210576
Alright buddy youre confusing me.
Besides Gerson, who is it? I may have fought it already without realizing it.

I've come to realize that the player being a diegetic element of the stories (beyond just being an Earthbound reference) is actually a good thing, the idea that the protagonist can occupy such opposite extremes of morality (pacifist vs. genocide/weird route) is nonsensical from an in-universe standpoint, but the player being the middleman that forces different paths works much better

>>715210890
Kris is so sexy I don't understand how everyone in town in town isn't following over themselves to glaze her

>>715210928
Reload the finished chapter 4 save and a cutscene will show you where to go

>>715210153
I hope that happens to Dess as well… Chapter 3 exit theory had better come true…

>>715210356
He's fucking with you.

Guy is a little shit, but so are most teemagers. He's not evil.

>>715210732
Only soulless automatons lack imagination.

>>715210928
the thing in castletown

>>715210928
Did you explore castle town well before going to the church world?
There was a locked door with a code in there.
Reloading your save after the credits reveals you the code.

>>715210890
I wonder what are the other human weaknesses...

>>715210842
Lol

>>715210537
Yes. But she'll be horribly racist against monsters and threat Kris like trash for being raised by them.

>>715210950
Sadly for you, the player being diagetic is still just very popular fanon.

>>715211003
ill fitting clothing, a goblin personality, and szdp keeps people away
only susie deserves kris because she's the only one to actually try, noelle wants kris to approach her but he'll never do that

>>715211027
>>715211069
>>715211075
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
Right. That.
It may be the brainrot, but at this point I just link "secret boss" with "shadow crystal holder", my bad.

>>715210003
I'm more interested in what would happen if Kris asked UT!Toriel about Asriel.

>>715211046
>Chapter 3 exit theory
what

>>715211162
basado, chara somehow true resetted pacifist and then frisk did genocide for some random reason (luckily my hero sans (who is pure of heart) foiled them every time)

>>715210890
uhhh why does this kris have a bazinga (female

>>715210153
She still killed Tavros in the retconned version.

>>715211471
because krisp is a boy (female)

>>715210558
There are mods to fix the encounter rates but if you wanna start with Earthbound it's fine, tl;dr of Mother's story is that Giygas (Giegue pre mindbreak) was raised by humans is attacking earth because his dad escaped and gave humanity psychic powers and the only weapon that can stop him is his lullaby

>>715210842
Fucking obsessed, holy shit, that was like three threads ago

>>715210356
Just a prank bro

>>715211442
This is unironically more canon than playershit btw.

>>715211003
him

>>715210558
Mother 3 and Earthbound are both fine games to play without having played the rest. Unironically: Playing all of the games in reverse actually works out really well.

>Any theory that includes Chara as some kind of demonic entity from hell
I'm tired a this shit

>>715211965
this image will never not be relevant

>>715207421 (OP)
Why the fuck did chuds upload a mod that gives Kris he/his or she/hers pronouns? Don’t they know this completely defeats the point of the game?

>>715209160
>Dess After Not Surviving theory
That skeleton could be anyone's after all
>but the antlers!
Technically only Undertale's Papyrus has been seen without antlers

>>715211442
>>715211815
>It's the Chapter 6 Weird Route
>Kris is existentially dead, Noelle is our new [Vessel] now
>Comments filled with "uh why did Krisper do a route that destroyed himself? is he stupid??"
I giggled at the mental image

>>715212101
the fucking pronounce are not the point of the game you retard

>>715211965
That is basically what he is after you do a genocide route.

>>715212051
People credited Gaster for all the FUN events and that is turning out to be true.

>>715212101
Chuds showing they don’t understand so you really have to SCREAM AT THEM TO HAMMER HOME THE POINT. Fucking incel fascist pieces of shit

>>715212051
How much simpler life would be if Toby simply didn't give it a default name

>>715211965
This is actually why I really like the Narrator Chara theory. It gets a little gay when Asriel gets involved, but at its core Narrator Chara gives Chara more depth and complexity than just "HE AM EVIL"

>>715212258
it's nice to be reminded that most of the people who believe this shit are children

>>715212152
>Existentially dead
If he thinks he's going to get away with being merely existentally dead he's got another thing coming.

>>715212310
Pretty much. Same reason I like it as well.

>>715212258
Man, it's really "YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PLAY GENOCIDE" "YOU DIDN'T GET THE MESSAGE" all over again

>>715212258
The whole appeal of video games over all other media is you having freedom, what a dumbdumb.

>>715207481
Can you hear its song, shitposting from the deep?

What character doesn't deserve a happy ending?

>>715211619
ftm

>>715211965
Why are people so much more willing to say a cat with 5 seconds of screentime is a demon, but not the character who canonically says she is one?

>>715212510
asgore
pizzapants
nice cream guy

>>715212296
>How much simpler life would be if Toby simply didn't give it a default name
Toby's fault for having the name even in his chickenscratch concepts

>>715212310
i know there's this one video that autistically goes over the narration in deltarune and it ends with 'narrator is toby or something' but honestly i think narrakris is pretty fun
all of the vague text suddenly turns into kris fucking with (you) for the hell of it

>>715212258
Imagine seething this hard about a totally optional dialogue edit

>>715212581
chara is a boy being edgy

>>715212258
Your screeching on an image board sure is showing them fascist chuds what for! OOoooooo look that this rebel go.

>>715209572
>>Papyrus’ Cool Song shares a leitmotif with a section of Raise Up Your Bat
what?

>>715212152
It's the SOULs fault. You're not smart at saying the player is responsible for what they do in a videogame. Why doesn't your kind blame Toby for programming the route?

>>715212510
Kris. He needs to learn that the adult world doesn't accept being a little shit.
Sans. Because Asgore needs the win.
Noelle. Cause wanting to be stepped on is no basis for a long term relationship.
And, of course, Tenma. Because tv is dead.

>>715212690
that anon was being ironic

>>715210003
Kris is a little emo bitch
Frisk would lock the fuck in

>>715212523
genuinely some of the most disgusting "people" on earth
i have never felt so violated as when one of them called me "brother"

>>715212148
>>but the antlers!
>Technically only Undertale's Papyrus has been seen without antlers
It's definitely a helmet in the first place, when we *Think about Knight, its described as taking off its helmet before Kris starts thinking about temmie's eggs.

>>715212678
>MaleHumanfag
>Can't understand the game.
Tale as old as time.

>>715212734
>He was just pretending to be retarded.

>>715212510
Janny

>Booted up Splatoon 3
>Half the posts are Deltarune related

>>715209689
The majority of the difficulty for the secret bosses is hoarding the right items and gearing yourself properly. All of them, including Jevil, become much easier once you do that and know the specific battle mechanics.
Make sure you don't use any revive items until the end of chapter 3, and have at least one TensionMax.

>>715209170
He still asks to be given away when you go to Castle town. Delivered to Meta is best situation for him.

>>715210003
Frisk doesn't gimp himself unlike Kris

Chara is you because if you ended up in his situation you would 100% fuck up as badly as him.

I can only imagine what batshit stupid schemes I would have thought up if I was in his shoes.

>>715209160
>Knight is Dess is human is Papyrus
It'd be such a dumb funny pointless twist I'd have to respect it

>>715212778
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLg04uu2j2o
Made me actually cringe IRL

>>715210003
You would think it's Kris since Undertale is shorter, but
>frisk through every dark world
Doesn't mean that Frisk can't go full genocide.
We already know how much shorter a chapter can be when you skip the bullshit from Weird Route chapter 2, so Frisk would STEAMROLL faster and faster.

Kris gave up his soul to Dess, either to help her close a dark fountain or to revive her ashes flowey style, resulting in her becoming the Knight.
The soul Kris currently has was sent to them by Dess.
This is what raise up your bat is actually about, it's Dess calling out to Kris to not be scared and to keep fighting

>>715212905
the groomed

Super Smashing Fighters is based on the prophecy too and will be relevant just like Dragon Blazers.
>smash 64's plot is a kid playing with his toys that come to life from his imagination and fight, basically the same thing as Darkners
>brawl's story mode is about those fighters being turned into trophies (statues) like the Roaring
>ultimate's story mode is literally called World of Light (Light World) and the plot is about light and dark and the balance between them
>Master Hand can be related to the "severed hand" and the goner hand theory, Gaster Hand
>Sword Magician and Purple Dragon are just Robin and Ridley on the surface, but could also refer to Dess (and/or the girl with a sword in the prophecy) and Susie
There's too many similarities in the series it's a parody of. Too many.

>>715212757
Frisk would hit his target Kris would get ganked by the passengers and crash into a field

>>715212905
Switch 2 is the theater kid console sadly. PlayStation is for blacks and PC is for white male chuds

>>715212581
For one, people get annoying about Friend in theories too
For another Friend doesn't cock up the otherwise very straightforward metanarrative and make people go
>uhh actually the demon did that
all the fucking time

>>715213119
damn I can't believe toby's wrist pain was part of the narrative

>>715213152

>>715213079
Unlike monsters in Undertale, Darkners run away when you deplete their health completely.

Kris's real name?
Chad.
Chad Warden

>>715212698
Because it's MY fault that the world gets destroyed, and I LOVE IT

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>>715213119
Kris is Anakin Skywalker.

frisk can't run, kris can
checkmate

>>715213261
Im assuming the UI is swapped

>>715213367
>needing to run
See?

>>715213303
You can still believe that, since it's true, even if it doesn't mean there's a player entity in the actual game.

why is chara white

frisk would be faster than kris because kris would keep ripping us out and putting us in the cuck cage every time we try to tell toriel we want to leave

Oh the complaining makes so much more sense when you realize it's ESLs, no wonder it's /v/-exclusive

>>715213498
its a RACE
what, you don't RUN in a RACE?

>>715213532
It's not Kris and Chara's fault either.

>>715210003
Kris would probably run in to Undyne and then get too focused on having fun with his new friends to confront Asgore, who has completely locked himself up in his castle so he doesn't have to kill Kris as they'll never meet

>>715213243
I want to RETURN to Frisky.

Wanna make an Undertale fan game. Is there a decent engine to use or am I gonna ideaguy for like a month then move on?

>>715213580
Kris would also recruit toriel and leave together with her. Probably pick up Susie on the way to Asgore.

>>715213590
>nigga doesn't know about my powerwalk

>>715212101
>How dare you not play the game how I want you to play it.

Fucking armchair tyrants living with silver spoons in their mouths. They didn't get bullied enough in school.

>>715213593
Nobody said it was. The Undertale/Deltarune community is so broken that they prefer meat puppets with no agency than morally gray characters.

>>715210003
Prolly Kris that dude's a freak even without your input

>>715213576
because chara, unlike frisk, is meant to be a specific character and toby was rig repulsed by the idea of putting a br*wn person in the game

>>715213620
Kris isn't that fond of Undyne.

>>715213082
Dess soul is a possibility I've thought about, but it would necessitate human Dess to be correct, which I'm not sold on

>>715213303
You know I'm now realizing that a lot of people here would be fucking awful at tabletop games because they have no sense of suspension of disbelief/kayfabe

I love Susie so much it's unreal

>>715213325
*anakin star
walker

>>715213620
Kris would crash with Toriel until he dies of diabetes at 24

>>715212258
In the exact way that he's trying to describe it, how exactly is doing this in any way contradictory to the way the game is played? God I hate retarded faggots.

>>715213751
>Chara's name is unknown and meant to be your name.
>Frisk's race and actions are mostly unknown and meant to be interpreted by the player.
Hmmm...

>>715213759
The only way for human Dess to be correct is if she's just a different species between universes because Undertale literally CAN NOT work if there's another human anywhere in the Underground at all

>>715213731
Frisk clearly is a meat puppet until very late in the game. Chara is more independent but somewhat passive until he gets a taste for blood.

Player is the one in control, far as we can tell

>>715213879
it also makes asgore even more of a bitch

>>715213142
Everything is the prophecy. Toby read Hero With a Thousand Faces and wanted to make a commentary on how stories are told and changed generation after generation.

>>715213867
I installed the mod and just headcanoned that I didn’t modify anything and Kris has always been a male

>>715213879
Dess exists in Undertale?

>>715213580
>Hears the legend about needing one more soul to escape
>He walks up to Asgore and rips (you) out of his chest and dropkicks the soul into a vessel
Happy ending!

>>715213576
He's a fuck up.

>>715213926
At least Asgore not wanting to kill her would be understandable but Flowey is what singlehandedly kills the human Dess theory.
If there was another human in the Underground that's somehow not determined enough to override Flowey's ability to save, he could've just killed her and Toriel and used the combination of a human and monster soul to cross the barrier and kill 6 more humans to become god. Plus he wouldn't need to absorb every monster soul to get the power of 7 because he'd absorb Dess's human soul along with the 6 collected ones.
>>715213974
There's a dialogue in the Alarm Clock I think where Asgore mentions Rudy's daughters in plural

>>715213576
Well obviously, Toby hates being White and by extension hates White people.

>>715212757
Can anyone explain why Kris wouldn’t give his friends a heads up about his soul and how it could explain a lot of his strange and antisocial behavior? I mean they would probably be surprised but if he let them know that if he’s separated from it for too long he’ll die, they’ll be reasonable and maybe help him search for a solution. Hey maybe Ralsei has heard of this before and knows what to do.

>>715214174
Because that would interfere with The Promise
And Ralsei clearly already knows

>>715214174
Whatever deal Kris has would be broken if he revealed the soul.

>>715212101
how is that the point of the game
can a schizo explain this?

>>715213901
Frisk is not a meat puppet. If the Undertale fanbase wasn't so busy applying Deltarune rules to Undertale, they would see all the ways Frisk subtly shows her character rather than erasing any narrative potential for a plot point that isn't present in Undertale (player possession).

>>715214174
Kris is in the middle of an apocalyptic conspiracy and shit would derail too much if that happened.
We still don't know exactly what anyone's goals are in this game, and shit just got even more complicated.

>doesn't pick up his "friends" a single time in the dark hallway when the soul is glowing

>>715214314
He really only seems to act independently a few times. Most of the time he does what the players want, including total genocide that ends with Chara destroying the world and killing him.

Is this Deltarune's biggest meme?

>>715214471
Driving in my caaaar right after a beeeer
Hey that bump is shaped like a deeeer

>>715214471
Of Episode 3-4? Yes, 100%.

>>715213801
A fine addition to my Susie folder

>>715214267
>The Promise
QRD?

>>715214438
who gives a shit

Im going to install a mod that makes Ralsei a girl. That way it's straight when I try to hook up with him.

>>715214471
no

>>715213938
Is Minecrap the prophecy too?
I wouldn't even be surprised at this point.

>>715214446
This is what I am talking about. Frisk still shows actions herself even in the scenes she's supposedly possessed by the player. Independent movement isn't the only time the character breaks free from the player. Even the SOUL, who people believe to be the player, moves on its own several times and play don't say it's their own character.
There's no "doing what the player wants" because Frisk isn't Kris and isn't being possessed. Undertale is not Deltarune.

>>715214618
mtf ralsei

>>715214559
Finish chapter 4 on normal route.

>>715214732
Do you have examples of the soul acting by itself?

>>715214618
Why does it matter when it's not real anyway
He's cute enough as he is

What the FUCK was this

Ralsei will 100% back Kris when shit hits the fan.
Expect Susie to leave the party and get replaced by Berdly or some shit

>>715214471
I've seen people who've played the whole game and only know who Dess is because of this gif

>>715214871
Because I dislike it when a game makes me question my heterosexuality.

>>715214884
Your actions have consequences anon

>>715214932
>they'd think Deltatraveler Dess is canon
grim

>>715214841
>Everytime a fountain is sealed.
>Turning yellow at the Spamton NEO fight, and then moving in front of Susie and Ralsei.
>Automatically glowing during the dark corridor in Chapter 4.
>Automatically sealing the Titan in Chapter 4 without prompt.
These are the main ones I can remember right now.

>>715214752
I finished it on launch I don’t really remember, is it some obscure dialogue on the phone or something

>>715214884
kris fighting back against the soul

>>715214930
>Susie will leave
>Noelle will fuck up.
>Berdley will end up saving the day.
Would be cool

>>715214471
Spamton.

>>715209552
VGH... RETVRN TO S/v/SIE...

>>715214615
>who gives a shit

>>715213809
I love Susie so much it's Unity

>>715210003
Would Kris even bother to leave Toriel's house?

>>715214962
A real hetero would not be afraid of a cute 2D fluffy boi

>Kris, do you think I was born yesterday? I don't need to see the last number to know the code is 1225, it's literally so fucking obvious. Anyone who's been paying attention to the most entry-level bits of lore already knows 1225 is heavily associated with Dess, and even if I DIDN'T know that, I literally just entered it in Chapter 3. It was a whole mandatory thing to progress the game, you saw me enter the numbers and everything. Why are you hitting ME with a hockey stick when Susie is literally the only one you need to worry about seeing the code? If you didn't hit me so goddamn loud she wouldn't have even gotten it! Are you retarded? Holy shit man I miss Frisk so much.

>>715212310
God damn it. I stopped using Twitter because I was tired of the faggots with their shitty headcanons, I thought this was the only place with people that actually played the game and I fucking find this.
You guys are insufferable and I fucking hate all of you. Muh multiversal frisk, muh corrupted innocent player, muh player being absolutely evil. I fucking hate all of you you fucking casuals, you don't even like the game, you like your own idea of it. You don't like Frisk, Chara or nobody. You like your own OCs with their masks on it. Fuck you.

>>715214989
Literally the last thing that happens is the phone saying
>don't forget, you promised

>>715214932
I can get failing to know who Dess is during chapters 1 and 2. But how do they enter her room, look at her guitar, fight in her closet and watch a family drama take place OVER her guitar and not fucking know?

Does anyone else kind of hate the chapter format? I really wish this just came out in one big release. I played chapter 1 at launch and skipped chapter 2 because I wanted to wait for the game to be finished. I caved in when 3 + 4 came out and I just replayed chapter 1 and then went through 2-4. Was fucking amazing. It totally sucked me in the entire weekend I played it and I forgot everything in my life that sucks. Now I just fucking feel empty ever since chapter 4 ended. I wish I was in Hometown right now talking to people in the diner and going on adventures with Susie and Ralsei

>>715215013
Probably this. Most of the time, when someone directly asks Kris a question, we get options on what to say. Kris very much did not want us to say anything.

>>715210003
They are the same fucking character. Frisk has no feats on its own and his determination is entirely YOURS because your fate to beat the game is determinated, and Frisk happens to be your playable character.

>>715215191
Oh yeah. I wonder what was meant by that. Maybe Kris promised to kill Susie or something?

>>715215301
But Kris... likes le chocolate!

>>715215149
scream LOUDER

Every single canon ship in this game is bad. It's almost impressive.

>>715215206
They assume Dess is just refering to Deez Nuts.

>>715215126
Hell Kris can just refuse to input the code. He was just being a dick there.

>>715211965
You didn't play the game. Get the fuck out of my thread

>>715212510
Any of the humans but Kris and the fallen are on top of the list.

>>715215149
>still no argument against everything you listed
You must explain UT's clam girl/clam goner.

>>715207481

>>715215219
No, I like the chapter format actually. I like the story so far, and it's nice to have something to look forward to.
>I forgot everything in my life that sucks. Now I just fucking feel empty ever since chapter 4 ended. I wish I was in Hometown right now talking to people in the diner and going on adventures with Susie and Ralsei
I know that feel.

>>715215353
>every LGBT relationship is wholesome and stable
>every straight relationship is dysfunctional and chaotic
Hmm…

>>715214884
WHY DOES THE RAIN COMPLETELY VANISH THOUGH

>Normal route
Over time Kris has started to outsmart the soul in multiple ways and is taking control of dialogue options by forcefully keeping their mouths closed or shouting or barking etc. Does certain actions unprompted such as throwing the cup on the ground or hugging Ralsei
>Weird route
The soul is slowly stripping away the autonomy Kris has in the light world. Things such as breaking cutscenes like when you can walk up to Noelle during her hospital monologue, and of course, literally bending reality to further proceed Noelle. The soul is now taking items from Kris that weren't in the inventory (thorn ring) and has now forced Kris on a festival date they were trying to avoid at all cost

>>715215301
>Bet you're wondering about that hot shelter, eh little buddy?

>>715214618
ralsei's dick is so small he doesn't even count as male

what if the jannies are making the necessary sacrifices to enflame us all into posting deltarune threads all the time, on purporsde

>>715210214
hey that sounds like susie, what the hell

>>715215432
>every LGBT relationship
Like SUSELLE... AND... a-and... uh...
...

>>715214884
Susie's power to shut down choices kicking in.

>>715215301
>Frisk has no feats on its own
Frisk's very human child body survived a Kamehameha from something that had every soul in the underground + 6 human souls + flowey's DT

Kris needs Susie to heal his booboos from a light fall

>>715214884
I hope it's us deleting kris' personality

>>715215440
that's exactly how the game wants you to feel

>>715209160
THIS IS WHY PAPYRUS TELLS YOU TO THINK ABOUT "BLUE STOP SIGNS"

>>715215409
Susie sends Frisk to Undertale?

>>715215462
You know, if the fucker woukd just state what he wants me to say I would probably let him do it as long as it's not too rude or mean.

>>715215409
Chara is not the narrator. Yes, we have her memories. But her conscious is not present in the whole game. That would be fucking stupid and would make no sense. How can she know who catty and bratty are if she never met them before? Just because Chara SOMETIMES is the narrator for a few fucking scenes doesn't mean she is always the narrator. I fucking hate that much chara is innocent cope. She is not a deep character, she is evil, represents our need to consume and that's fucking it

Was toby sniffing his own farts a little bit too much with that post about susie resting her head and everyone acknowledging "she does that!"
Everyone just thinks she is a quirky tomboy dyke

>>715215540
Nta but your love became theirs and vice versa which is a round about way of saying that their power he was exhibiting isn't his own.

>>715215440
Because it's raining somewhere else

>He's not a bad kid, but he's so weird
>And it's so... obligatory. (forced)
>Because no one wanted to be his friend, he ended up becoming REAL friends with [Susie]
Sounds like an analogy for Kris to me

>>715215517
The two guards.

>>715215639
He can't exactly talk right now

>>715213082
>The soul Kris currently has was sent to them by Dess.
Is this implying it's Dess soul or the Knight swatted the Vessel's soul into Kris?

>>715215543
Kris kicks the prayer candles in anger when you try to pray for noelle. He's still there.

>>715215517
>cuckold Asgore
>scumbag Sans
>whore Toriel
vs
>cute and heckin wholesome tsundere cat and alligator lesbians
>suselle is portrayed as very wholesome and earnest

>>715215149
You're right, Burgerpants bro. My biggest hottake is that the fanbase understood the characters more in 2016 than nowadays. Too many pseuds in the fanbase. 2016 fandom was cringe but free.

>>715207879
WHO IS THE MYSTERY CHILD? WHO IS IT?
WHERE DID THE IDEA OF THEM EVEN COME FROM?? I'M SO FUCKING PISSED
SIXTY NIGGERS

>>715215660
>She is evil
Nah. She's sad child.

>>715215540
You absolute retard. Tell me why didn't Frisk survived against Photoshop Flowey or Sans with 0.0001 HP you fucking retard. The point of determination is that no matter what, you will proceed. That's why check points heal you, that's why you can came back from the death.
Asriel's attack was supposed to kill you, but it doesn't matter if the game will try to soflock you, YOU will proceed anyways. Frisk has no feats. His biggest feat is dying to every single monster in the game.

>>715215301
Nevermind. You're cringe. Even using Deltarune rules, the SOUL doesn't make Kris stronger. Respect Frisk's feats.

>>715215112
Yeah, to meet the Undertale versions of Suzy, Noelle, & Dess.

>>715215709
a ton of monsters in town want to be their friend tho, like mk

>>715215462
Needs a gif of Kris giving that nerdy yellow cunt a sloppy kiss.

>>715215723
He can communicate enough to set up some guide lines. Right now, It feels like im the only one making this relationship work.

let's post meme artowrk that ended up being oddly accurate

>>715215870
You will die knowing nothing.

>>715215749
Do you not remember the start of them game?
>Nobody gets to chose who they are in this world
And then you wake up as Kris. The person who said that line has a completely different text font from the guy talking in the Goner Maker. It's clear (You) were not meant to be in Kris and someone sent (You) to them. Maybe Kris did it, but it could easily be someone else, like say, Dess.

>>715215606
Papyrus be he has the voice of Ainz Ooal Gown

>>715216027
...but enough about yourself.

>>715215723
Just like in the mother series, you can't actually hear your player character talk. This is why 90% of the fandom doesn't know that Frisk will have a full conversation with onion.

>>715215876
>They all hate him for being human.
>Might even try to kill him
Would be cool.

>>715215836
>The point of determination is that no matter what, you will proceed
>that no matter what, you will proceed
>proceed

>>715215836
>scizo headcanon

Who's the one giving us the dialogue options for Snowgrave?
We're not making it ourselves, something's giving us the option to say shit like "Because it wasn't a dream" and tell Noelle we're reading her thoughts

>>715215836
>Tell me why didn't Frisk survived against Photoshop Flowey or Sans with 0.0001 HP
frisk didnt feel like it
>image
wasnt end of pacifist frisk, the strongest form of frisk

>>715214884
why is the screen tinted in susie's patented #EA79C8 "Dino Purple" battle sprite color?

>>715216031
The real question is is that would players forgive the person that ripped them from their own vessel?

>>715215660
>>715215810
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>She

>>715216001
the most accurate Tenna guess was this fucking shitpost

>>715216001
There isn't any.

>>715216129
Chara and/or Gaster.

>>715216145
Mostly because it's more fun fucking with this random teenager

>everyone just intuitively understands this as true
I won. (You) won. Toby won. We won.

>>715216170
Wasn't that after Toby revealed the switch background with a Tenna statue on it?

>>715209146
>>715215807
What's this about a mystery child?

>>715216212
Suselle will still be cannon.

>>715216141

>>715216240
And most people still thought he was gonna be a midget or put a snail shell on him

media literacy

>>715215660
> How can she know who catty and bratty are if she never met them before?
NarraChara becomes part of the game.
It's the same reason why Chara is also the voice after Gaster in chapter 1.

>>715216170
this>>715216240
Thats cheating.

>>715216326
The snail thing was so retarded

>>715215660
Don't Catty and Bratty introduce themselves?

>>715216296
*Susellefags will be fired out of a cannon

>>715216280
It's a mystery

>The Chara autists are getting uppity again

Love this edgelord like you wouldn’t believe

>>715215836
You are correct and I'm not sure why you're getting blacklash for it. It was established that the player is empowering the characters even in Deltarune like with Red buster or any other example of "soul being shined on a party member".

>>715216129
FRIEND

>>715216330
DON'T SAY THAT

>>715216330
Sex with the green one and jizzing on her speaker tits.

>>715216001
Not an artwork but I used to respond to gif related with:
>Three heroes appear at world's edge
>A human, a monster and a prince from the dark
>Only they can seal the fountains
>And banish the angel's heaven

>Hehe yeah... like that's ever gonna happen
>WHAT A LOAD O-

Now we find out that Ralsei's prophecy really was some optimistic fairytale bullshit.

>>715208049
>that thread was used up
>this thread was used up
>you were used up

>>715216330
Porn animation coded

>>715216129
This is like asking who gave you the option to say "good to see you again" to sans. Toby is going to give you generic shit to say.

>>715216331
If that were right, she would speak and be herself many times even if you don't follow the genocide route. It's not. Because narrachara believers are just tumblrinas and faggots that hate themselves (which is why they love kris and hate the SOUL) and try to force their headcanon on the game

>>715215661
He was, but if you point it out or say it sounds either big-headed or dangerously like Hussie, you get dogpiled by annoying dog piles.

>>715215126
>Beats the shit out of us for trying to find the most obvious code ever and acts like we don't know it
>People still think Kris refusing to picture the Knight's helmet coming off means it still has to be a huge asspull twist and that it can't be Dess

If the game is supposed to be a prequel where sans and papyrus get sent to undertale then we're never gonna meet papyrus, because he's never seen a human before frisk.

>>715216330
I still have no idea why they're supposed to be bad. They're not even area bosses, they're midbosses. They have the same level of importance as Clover. They're too irrelevant to hate.

KILL

>>715216129
I kind of like the "Snowgrave is Kris's intrusive thoughts" theory.

>undertale has 2-3 narrators when you fight sans for some reason
me? genius btw.

>>715214174
The soul is responsible for all of his social behavior. Kris is the anti social one.

>>715216129
Kris

>>715214884
the specific point where susie becomes a treue mary sue. you can't see it as that point yet but I'm from the future you can trust me, it'll make sense later

What if there being a diegetic narrator just isn't canon and it's only used for storytelling and occasionally jokes

>>715216687
The theory is retarded in general because not everything option you get to pick in the game is something Kris would know. Outside of that, Kris will cover the knight's ass more than Berdly's so that's something.

Why did Frisk do Bad Time Route?

>>715216601
>If that were right, she would speak and be herself many times even if you don't follow the genocide route.
Your assumption is flawed because it's based on what we know from genocide being all there is to the character in the first place.
It's like if genocide was all we knew about Alphys and it made us think she was a competent leader who could organize a mass evacuation while empowering Undyne to be strong enough to challenge us, and then you said Alphys outside of genocide isn't acting like herself.

>>715216601
And even so. Do I have to remind you Chara's conscious is trapped on Frisk's body? She has no SOUL on her own. This is why chara is absent in Deltarune, we are not in the same body. All she did was discard our vessel. If Chara would be the narrator in Undertale, she would be the same on in Deltarune because it mentions previous memories. Yet it doesn't.

>>715215440
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1LZ8DfG5FQ

>>715216212
Toby Fox be like "I drew a line 7 inches long and 5 inches long and everyone intuitively understands you line them up into a full foot ruler. I won."

>>715216212
>weird routes him
My Susie will never love Kris

>>715210003
Kris would just stay with Toriel, maybe he'd go out and find UT Dess and try to be friends with Flowey once he figures out who he is. The better question is how all the UT characters would react to Kris. Flowey already confused Frisk for Chara, imagine what he'd think about Kris.

What if Sans is bullshitting out his ass about being new to town and not knowing Kris and he pretended to be a stranger because he knows Kris is possessed by someone who wouldn't be aware?

Can Toby outdo this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbO3p7_Mf30

>>715216804
Sure by Snowgrave being Kris's intrusive thoughts doesn't mean the Soul doesn't get it's own input as well.

On genocide who's the snarky asshole that makes the joke about the cactus judging you for your sins (canon answers only)

>>715216471
Im tsundere because I know I would hate him in real life.

Would you a loli Susie

Expectations for the Asgore rapes everyone chapter?

>>715216843
Even following that logic. Chara herself said that your power awakened her from the death. If the Genocide route is the natural final path, then how can chara be the narrator from the previous routes if she is fucking dead?

>>715210590
Why though? Why antagonize the super powerful entity that spends most of the day possessing him?

>>715216280
Apparently there may or may not be a dead kid that served as inspiration for Ralsei in some way that some people recognize but beyond that they existed at one point and people remember but forgot who they are they've completely vanished from the world BUT FUCKING PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THEM SOME FUCKING HOW

>>715217029
He gets roofied and “befriended” by Alphys at the end

>>715216935
Yeah. Imagine the Asriel reveal but its Kris and he's talking directly to you after being silent the whole game.

>>715216843
>Genocide being all there is to the character in the first place
and True Pacifist, but that's mostly True Lab and Asriel stuff giving some very vague context. I don't know why the narrachara theory denial is such a point of contention though, it's obvious that Chara is a separate voice form the narration with how they actually overtake lines that should normally be there. Viewing it from that basic lens doesn't outright debunk narrachara, but it's understandable why it just wouldn't sit right with people, it suddenly rips away a fundamental part of the game to make it all about one specific character. In a lore sense, it's a neat idea, but in a storytelling sense it's just more reasonable to believe Chara is dormant until their conditions are met.

>>715216843
Nta, but most of what we learn about Chara during neutral and true pacifist doesn't paint him/her in the best light either.

I like the narrator theory for giving us a better idea of what his character might be like.

>>715217103
Your meme will never catch on.

>>715216795
I feel like this kind of quesiton only even exists because the games overall make so much effort to fuck with you and blur the line between player and character and I'm starting to feel like including any sort of meta shit in a modern game/story is a sinkhole of enormous proportions that the only solution to is to never actually answer anything outright and let autists argue over for 15 years.

>>715216920
What's the deal with Grillby's in Deltarune by the way? I remember it being cited as proof against the idea that Deltarune Sans is the prequel to Undertale Sans. But are to assume that Sans took the entire story with him, or did he travel to Deltarune, which had its own Grillby's and Sans brought it and changed the inside to his convenience store?

Surely Deltarune has its own Grillby? What happened to him?

Don't know why Chara being present the whole game sits weirdly with people, even stuff like gold going up (this happens all game) is supposed to be "Chara"

>>715216356
If Tenna wasn't some 3D abomination, the snail would've saved his design

>>715216910
Most of them would be confused at some human enemy thinking he is their friend.

Flowey would probably assume he is Chara and encourage him to do the genocide route. When that fails he would start fucking with him.

>>715214884
It's the future when the descriptions of the crystals finally happen

>Noelle when she sees someone called Elle

>>715216964
Chara.

>>715217043
Following your logic, Chara is "awakened" the moment you murder 20 monsters in the ruins, which means it's reasonable to assume she was awakened from the start of the game.
>>715217160
Oh don't worry, I am in no way arguing that Chara is sunshine and roses, it's clear that he/she/whatever was a fucked up gremlin of a child with massive issues, but to me it's more like she was content being a passive observer trying to see if you'll prove her wrong and make a better future for monsters, or prove her right that violence was the only option upon which she fully takes over and ends the game.

>>715217161
>Your meme
Nigga I didn't ask to know about this shit you fuck nor did I ask to know about YOU

>FRIEND is the 9th rarecat
>SMILE referencing the humble servant line
>Second voice in the Goner Maker talking like Chara
Fuck it's related to Chara isn't it

>>715209160
>papyrusknight and dessknight fags both get to be right because papyrus IS dess

>>715216964
Robert "The Dog" Foxtrot

>>715217178
Did you ever notice that the joke is supposed to be Sans just scribbled off the other letters and the rest of the building is exactly the same other than the snow from Snowdin but the sign isn't actually the same because the Grillby's text was moved to the left a little to make room for the 'ans' in Deltarune

Ah, the narrachara theory. Someone basically scanned all of the lines in both games and basically came to the conclusion the narrator is basically Toby Fox. Just like the mother series character being the narrator. There are however at times when the narration is take over by other characters like the fallen, Mettaton, Spamton, etc.

>>715217173
Most people can't handle meta stories because audiences tend to struggle with understanding stories based on vibes nowadays.

>>715216935
>gaster reveal
>sans true reveal
>kris speaking to us
>UT battle system reveal in the light world
>BAD END
>more batshit insane weird route kino
>DR's megalovania
>knight reveal ingame
Trust in the plan.

>>715207421 (OP)
>thread already hit 400 replies
>just KNOW the next thread will be pruned
It's not fucking fair

CHARA IS NOT YOUR SONIC.EXE STANDIN
MAKE BETTER THEORIES

>>715217447
>media literacy

>>715217453
There will be another. Then another. As long as they keep getting deleted someone will be spiteful enough to make more

It's funny how people always completely ignore Kris having Frisk's skin and hair color

>>715217440
>the fallen
nah, toby wonned

>>715217453
Imagine the chapter 7 threads.

>>715217414
Yeah it's a joke but people will naturally wonder about the lore implications. It just being Grillby's in Deltarune until Sans took over would make the most sense.

>>715217346
>Following your logic, Chara is "awakened" the moment you murder 20 monsters in the ruins, which means it's reasonable to assume she was awakened from the start of the game.
She is, and the second you abort the route she calls you a failure and leaves, as simple as that.
>but to me it's more like she was content being a passive observer trying to see if you'll prove her wrong and make a better future for monsters, or prove her right that violence was the only option upon which she fully takes over and ends the game.
This is the fucking problem. "To me", it's a headcanon. It's not a ""theory"", it all begins with a headcanon buried on your subconscious. Chara is a demon that represents consumption. She even calls you out for playing Undertale again even after being done with it because to her, it like eating a plate of food, vomiting back and eating again. She couldn't give less of a fuck to any of those characters. She says toriel is not worth talking to, papyrus is forgettable and tells the waterfall doll to wipe out that smile on its face. Narrachara is completely out of character.

>>715216660
>They have the same level of importance as Clover
Clover shows up for a single puzzle room, has a battle with the generic battle song and only shows up again at her room to provide some lines and for a dojo fight.
Sweet Cap'n Cakes are all over the first area, have various (pointlessly easy) overworld dodge zones, various songs in the OST, a full length boss fight that changes the gameplay mechanics for the rest of the game, 3 shops with one having the full shop HUD, plot connections to Queen, Berdly, Rouxls Kaard and Spamton, are the ones responsible for the mecha you control and the end, and they get their own building at Castle Town after all that.
The fact they barely exist in the new chapters shows how much of an audience failure they were.

>*I believe this tale may have a happy ending.

The Vessel is only gray because it's a goner.
Its non-goner version would have Chara's skin and hair colors with Frisk's shirt colors.
Like a reverse Kris.

I like that Chara is called a they/them because anyone putting on their pornfag glasses and calling them a girl is someone that can be immediately be ignored

>>715217440
Especially after playing Deltarune, it just makes sense that if we're controlling Frisk, we're getting narration from Frisk. Chara then, is specifically taking over Frisk during the Genocide route. That leaves it very vague where the line between Frisk and Chara end and start when you're doing the route overtime, but it's the most sensible way to look at it.

>>715217068
because kris hates (you) for taking control of his life, even if (you)'re needed for the plan

>>715217616
They threw my boy Chara in the racial ambiguater and gave him a name change

>>715217841
>Still just you, Frisk.

KRIS? WHY DID YOU TAKE ME OUT, YOU'LL NEVER SURVIVE HER SUSIE NO HADO

>>715217346
Him being a passive observer is largely true regardless of the narrator theory being wrong or right. As Sans explained, Lv largely reflects how comfortable you are with violence and killing. It's Chara whose level and xp goes up. You are serving as a corrupting influence.

As for how he was when alive. It's hard to say, I honestly think him and Kris are pretty similiar. The main difference being that Kris was adopted young and Chara was not.

>>715217367
Maybe FRIEND is related to the "demon?"

Why did he do it?

>>715217545
No. Just literacy in general.

>>715217906
This will be Shin Noelle's FATAL attack in Chapter 5

>>715217841
>These are the ignoramuses arguing Chara the demon is good writing

>>715217850
>summons (me)
>puts (me) into his body
>hates (me) as if he has no control over this situation
what a fag

>>715217983
To punish you for your genoslides by genosliding into your mom

>Bunker door opens
>"Looks like the only way to go is UNDER"
>"Now lets finish this TALE"
Your reaction?

>>715217906
WHERE IS THE KISSES VERSION? YOUR TAKING TOO LONG

>>715217983
>best audience you ever had, thinks you are the most fun thing on earth
>genetically perfect, literally a higher species of monster
>very tall and thick, owns a huge house and a car
Why wouldn't he?

>>715217453
I don't know if you know this yet, but making a thread is actually free. (You) are paying for the janitor's wages. Have fun with this newfound information, and keep posting.

I drew Tasque Manager
https://files.catbox.moe/edq346.png

>>715217925
It is backwards, Chara was always a consoomer states by Toriel and the way she fills a cup of water. And she calls herself your humble servant to follow you into the utmost.
Utmost: the greatest or most extreme extent or amount.
She also calls herself a demon because she literally behaves like you. Demons can't harm you, they can only influence you to sin.

>>715217672
>Represents consumption
He's a a stand in mostly for playing RPG games as pure number grinding. His issue with you playing Undertale again is that the two of you could be off playing Fallout 4. Shooting random bandits and super mutants in the face to make a number go up.

Why Kris kept the thorn

>>715217983
It was part of Kris's keikaku to thwart the Knight's attempts at abducting Toriel
That's right, he set everything up for Sans to fuck his mom and get her away from the church
That's why he removes Toriel's contact too instead of just Carol's and/or the Knight's, you're still supposed to go to the church dark world and Kris doesn't want you to find out Toriel's safe at home getting boned and skip it

>>715218162
Yuck. Like a deflated tomato.

>>715218162
tasque manager... easy on the spincakes...

>>715214695
the shitty flash skateboard game susie played is the prophecy

>>715218212
twisted sword

>>715218162
I was not disappointed.

>>715218162
"Thicc Manager Kris. Think About It."

>>715218162
>using catbox to catfish images
Devilish

>>715218212
So he could shove it up his urethra later

>>715218114

>>715217874
Yes? Chara can be argued to be awakened in True Pacifist and saying that line in a sarcastic way, or it can be Frisk just reinforcing their name because that's now just out of the bag.

>>715218029
>Nononono you see Chara says EVERY PIECE OF NARRATION IN THE GAME this absolutely doesn't rob Frisk of any individuality as a character and is actually genius writing because this means uhhh uhhhh uhhhh.... Chara says things!!!

Unironically would, just give her a tall thick body.

if Chara is EVIL then that means the player definitely True Resets, meaning that PlayerTRUTHERS won

>>715218292
uty geno was absolute kino, aside from no genostarlo, and marlet doesnt jump you with the royal guard for some reason

>>715218186
If the Japanese fandom is anything to go by, the fallen treats you like a partner as in a equal so that doesn't add up. The humble servant thing is more of Friend's deal.

>>715218196
Chara doesn't represent random grinding, she wants to reach the highest number, to break boundaries whenever possible. Chara is associated with the number 9 and in the files she is the letter z, the last letter. She is not a gamergirl that wants to collect every single achievement, item and kill in the game. All she wants you to is to eat your plate whole without chewing and move on the next.

>>715218114

>>715218151
I CAN POST ANYTHING

>>715218270
I'd rather think about Queen.
https://files.catbox.moe/60xft2.PNG

>>715207421 (OP)
big if true

>>715218426
Chara and FRIEND are the same KEK
Utmost: the greatest or most extreme extent or amount.
Chara.

>>715212510
Janny

bump limit reached
post starwalker

>>715218186
Chara is a demon because he comes when you call her/his name. When you name your character the same thing you did the MC of Undertale when you play Fire Emblem Awakening or Dragon Quest, that is them being summoned once again to clean up another world.

They don't influence you, they simply represent what you are when you play most rpg games.

>>715218151
woah...

>>715218293
>ITS
>YOU,
>FRISK

>>715218482
Now we're talking

>>715218114
>>715218460
post the fucking green asgore
it is probably the single funniest thing UT has produced

>>715212510
Burgerpants

>>715218580
your the PACIFIST!!!!

>>715218576
>>715218482

"It Means Tity."

No anon, Deltarune's endgame isn't Sans (Last Breath (Phase 3084010) (200% Power) (Ultra-Determined) (7 SOULs))))) vs. Chara, the FRIEND (Demon) that Cums when you call it's Name (Forma de Noelle)

>>715218559
Yep! You is used in Narration to refer to Frisk just like Kris.

>>715218542
I will also
Post

>>715218580
>>715218619

>>715218543
She does influence you because she represents that temptation. If you have a character that represents a greedy demon, and you act greedy, then they are influencing you because they are their own representation. 1+1 come on

>>715218694
Which makes no fucking sense, if Kris is the narration

>>715218542

>>715216674
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-beDMEHueHo

>>715218482
Tasteful. Erotic.
>>715218162
Disgusting. Mental illness. Autistc.

>>715218675
put kris's head in the cage and us on kris's head on their body

>>715218675
>Chara, the FRIEND (Demon) that Cums when you call it's Name (Forma de Noelle)

>>715218721
That feeling is reaching maximum potential. In RPG terms, the highest number is 9. Level 99, 999 MP, 9999 HP, 99999 Damage, 999999 Gold.
These are upper limits that you desire to reach when playing games without knowing it. RPGs, in their endless need to have exponential scaling, hard-caps these exponents so that you do not reach wildly crazy numbers, and so you end up with 9 being representative of absolute power.

>>715214695
Cat Petterz is the Prophecy
The Sblurfs is the Prophecy
The music video with the bikini alligator is the Prophecy
Asriel's ska CDs are the Prophecy

>>715218212
Here's a question, how come the thorn ring doesn't show up in your inventory against after Kris takes it? The Silver Watch also doesn't disappear from your inventory even though Kris supposedly gave it back to Noelle.

>>715210558
I'm playing Earthbound online and I personally love it. It's really cool to see all the little things Toby could've taken as inspiration along with finding the actual direct references to the game itself. Not to mention it's a fantastic game on its own.
>Ho-ho-ho, I'm a tough boy! Treat me like one of your items!
(Also, where'd you find a place to play Mother 1? I haven't gone looking for it myself because I wanted to play Earthbound first.)

>>715218710
Why is he green?

>>715216674
Lmao

Doe anyone here still like sans?

>>715218430
It's not about being a gamergirl or eating your plate. Like they say, any time you see a number go up: That is Chara. They are the very act of getting stronger. Of seeing numbers go up and up. It's a reflection of their desire to never be hurt again, twisted into embodying the very concept of violence as progress.

>>715218162
Supremely based. Look at those leg layers. God damn.

>>715218675
no, but there's an opportunity to use an entity to represent another aspect of game mechanics that isn't just "number goes up"

>>715218675
>Sans (Last Breath (Phase 3084010) (200% Power) (Ultra-Determined) (7 SOULs))))) vs. Chara, the FRIEND (Demon) that Cums when you call it's Name (Forma de Noelle)
but it would be funny

>>715216935
>music kicks in
>rainbow background kicks in
GodDAM
He will surpass it, even music for smaller scenes and areas is well above Undertale
>that intro to Dark Sanctuary 2 where the music syncs to the echoing buttons
>that part in Dark Sanctuary 3 when you're in the room with the repeating prophecies and Third Sanctuary hits https://youtu.be/7f1RK1m7qvc?si=gsdDOzSMsSSaTp0y&t=180
Third Sanctuary alone tells me that Toby is ready to lay out weighty emotional blows with the music, trust the dog

>>715218963
he was funnier in undertale but he has spawned a very good picture so he is growing on me

>>715218912
>Cat Petterz is the Prophecy
It unironically is
One of the Noelle blog posts mentioned Cat Petterz RPG being a ripoff of Dragon Blazers

any good vocal covers of raise up your bat yet?

>>715218963
Of course. He's funny, and he's cool.

What if Susie being the Dragon is literal? She's hiding a tail, maybe she's also hiding wings?

>>715217268
>Dump it

>>715218902
Lovely

>>715218721
She/he doesn't represent temptation. She /he is the feeling of grinding itself.

>>715216031
I think you misunderstand what I'm getting at some people toss around a theory that Kris and Dess switched souls for some reason and that's what (You) are.

>>715218963
I never liked him. Now I like hating on him.

Remember to do your part
https://gamebanana.com/mods/493817

>>715219126
I agree, she is a Dragon, not a monster. That's why she bleeds, and why she's not the hero of the Prophecy.

>>715218963
don't hate him but I do feel obligated to beat his ass for Kris

>>715219179
Im going to replace every their with: that useless twat.

>>715218675
>the demon that cums
augh yeah

>>715218963
yes
i wont let everyone forget that they turned on my nigga sans from fucking toriel, once toby delivers on a decade of sans speculation

>>715216935
musically? no
hypewise? yes

>>715218972
>>715219142
It's both you absolute morons. It's like your subconscious ID telling your brain to eat because you're hungry. It influences you because you are both the same.
Chara is, indeed a own person in the Undertale universe. But also represents a part of you.

>>715219250
>mod to replace all instances of Kris and his pronouns with dipshit

>>715218963
I only tolerate him because of papyrus

>>715218963
I like him fine despite everything.

While I can understand why Kris dislikes him. I wish my mom had a boyfriend like that after the divorce.

>>715219267
Haven't seen this one in the better part of a decade
Nice

>>715219179
I have only ever downloaded one Undertale/Deltarune related mod

>>715219179
>can pick male OR female
Wow, a modder who isn't retarded. I'm actually impressed.

>>715219119
Several.

>>715219179
That's unbelievably sad to be so threatened by a mod that someone had to make one that highlights "They/Them". How much more insecure can you be?

He

>>715219428
HAS

>>715219250
Sounds about right.

>>715219375
Funnily enough it's probably the reason the mod has been allowed.

>>715219119
Raise Up Your Bat is meh.
There, I said it.

>>715219297
They become a part of you at the end of the game. Though, even before that, they already are. Because like Asriel says: Frisk is a good person, you are not.

>>715219451
NO

>>715219451
PIPIS

>>715219451
NO

>>715213261
could be that its because nobody has true killing intent, so no matter how much you command them you cant actually kill.
frisk on the other hand just does what you say. you tell frisk to attack, he attacks with the intent to kill.

>>715219523
SOVL

>>715218902
Holy fuck my sides

>>715219451
A MASSIVE blue cucumber.

>>715219479
SHE IS ALREADY PART OF YOU BECAUSE SHE IS YOUR PLAYABLE CHARACTER GODDD

>>715219523
>>715219538

>>715219589
I said as much.

>>715216660
They were annoying when chapter 2 first came out because of a battle bug where their turns would always be at the max length of time, grazing be damned

>>715219479
>Because like Asriel says: Frisk is a good person, you are not.
Well FUCK YOU kid, I'm now gonna have your bro in another universe make some frozen chicken

>>715218424
I like Martlet pulling both the Papyrus and Sans role and holding out until the verrrry end for you turn things around before hitting you with her own can o justice. No North Star fight is gay though.

>>715218542

>>715219479
>Because like Asriel says: Frisk is a good person, you are not.
This is horse shit anon. The pacifist route doesn't happen unless You will it which goes for basically anything you can influence in UT/DR.

>>715219523
>>715219538
STYLE

>>715219179
>Gendered mod has over 5 times the downloads
>Just under double the views too
>Would have more comments, but mods smartly locked comments so it wasn't just endless arguing
>Gendered mod had more likes for a time, but clearly some trannies threw a hissy fit and brigaded the pronoun highlights mod through a discord server or something to try and get one edge out statistically
You love to see it

>>715219479
Frisk enjoyed killing people on a merciless route lmao

>>715211003
>her

>>715219728
Frisk isn't you. If you were in his shoes, you wouldn't save everybody. You do it because you are controling a character.

>>715219857
does this look like a male to you?

>>715219919
mmuhhhhhhhhh
would be better if blue

>>715219895
Frisk doesn't either unless you tell him to. The hypothetically "pure" Frisk doesn't exist in the game.

>>715219785
Also
>Gendered mod is more actively maintained
>Highlighted Pronouns mod STILL isn't compatible with Chapters 3 & 4

>>715219797
That's Chara.

>>715219919
No, but the interpretation is still dog log tier.

>>715219965
artist has blue variants, but not for this one iirc

>>715219969
It exists at the end of the game. Assuming yoy don't reset the universe, you bastard.

>>715219895
>Frisk isn't you
Frisk didn't cause the pacifist route so what >>715219969 said.

>>715220023
i agree, kris would have a bush

>>715219991
I mean neutral routes with high levels.

>>715219965
based blue connoisseur

>>715220024
alright I gotta find this artist now, love my blueberry kris

>>715220123
That's also you.

>>715220023
Wait is this version an edit or did some seething troon censor it

>>715220023
>but the interpretation is still dog log tier.
explain

Its another episode of blaming the player for everything wrong in UT/DR but never acknowledging when they do good which is 80% of the time.

>>715220070
Not even the end of the game, because we can choose his fate in two ways (ambassador or not, live with Toriel or not). We can make a good and happy future for Frisk, but it is not because it's what Frisk does or even wants.

>KRIS IS GIRL
>THE JOKE IS PORN!!!!

>>715220203
Someone said the bottom text was excessive so I had a little fun with it.

>>715220203
it's an edit from here since someone thought the fun gang's text bubbles weren't necessary
changing kris' nameplate to ASS was my idea

>>715220215
I have knot a thing to say.

>KRIS IS GIRL
>THE JOKE IS PORN!!!!

>>715220243
You are the only one who can ruin that future by selling his soul. That is the main impact you can have.

>Leave Kris alone! even thoughever they literally put you back after the couch scene
i kinda love how most people thinks this way

>>715220241
This is because every single time, they hate themselves. They feel genuine disgust for forcing themselves on a character and moving them with their keyboard. If Toby makes Kris die or blatantly says Noelle was indeed raped, you will have over a thousand of teenages and manchildren killing themselves today

>>715220451
I agree, but it's only us who can give him that future in the first place.

>KRIS IS GIRL
>THE JOKE IS PORN!!!!

>>715220336
Joke?

>>715220487
Based.

>>715220459
The point of Deltarune is that I get to vurtue signal about how well I would treat fictional characters

>>715220459
Leave it to Sonictards to have a critical lack of understanding of what's going on in the game.

>>715220541
A puppy built for dogs.

>>715220487
>If Toby makes Kris die
I'm really hoping this happens.

>>715220241
>>715220459
It's weird because at the same time they'll just completely throw out what we know about their character to headcanon Kris as "literally just like me!!!"
Which doesn't seem that far from self-inserting, but what the fuck do I know?

>>715220487
I saw a couple of Let's Players get genuinely uncomfortable at the Chapter 4 segment in Noelle's house. One even said they were going to cry if they keep listening to Kris play piano because "it sucks I have to rip control away from this kid's life" which is an absolutely deranged statement to make

>>715220459
You don't have to do the bad things to Kris. There is no benefit to weird route(inb4 uggh cum my shriveled dick loves rape unghhhhh).

>>715220336
that's the appeal for male kris though
people fucking the characters vicariously through kris
with female kris it adds to kris' identity issues, forced to wear boy's clothing, living in the shadow of her perfect brother even if she does love him, her biggest role models were her brother and his tomboy girlfriend, with no real feminine influences, and her best friend is also similarly more masculine than feminine, at least for the most part
the only trustworthy feminine figure in kris' life would be noelle, and due to reasons she disconnected with her, likely due to dess' disappearance
it also adds another layer into the 'ralsei is kris' monstersona' idea, that kris thought his family would be happier if she were another monster son instead of a human daughter

uggh cum my shriveled dick loves rape unghhhhh~

Kris is a MAN and he's WHITE and STRAIGHT and HATES homosexuality as any of God's children should.

>>715220459
>they
Him.

>>715220794
Also adds a massive wrinkle in the prophecy because Kris could be The Girl by the end instead of The Cage.

>>715220767
Controlling Kris in general is the bad thing.
>>715220757
Ding ding ding. People really want to be this loser so bad due to a variety of reasons like hecken they/them shit, wanting to fuck Noelle or Susie, etc. So basically, they are self inserting and they really hate being the soul.

Thim.

>>715219179
Great work team. Here's to making that gap bigger.

>>715220958
Ble.

>>715220953
Even then, I can't blame them with the Spamton parallel stuff.

>>715217707
Holy shit the autism of this fanbase. They’re just some robo bros that show up for like 15 minutes it’s really not that deep

Remember: Spamton is FUCKING LOSER

>>715220758
>"it sucks I have to rip control away from this kid's life" which is an absolutely deranged statement to make
why

>>715220794
When you put it like that...

I want to teach Kris how wonderful it is to be a human women.

>>715220946
exactly
not enough people are realizing that kris fits the description of the girl better than susie and arguably noelle
remember, crossed has multiple meanings

The dumptruck of a HERO.

>>715219797
True
When you check the dog food in Alphys's lab there's unique dialogue saying you "remembered something funny" if you've killed the dog enemies

>>715221081
Because they could just not play the game if they hate that idea so much.

I don't mind ripping away control from Kris because I spend most of my life having to deal with annoying autists and forcing them to behave for once feels satisfying.

>>715221076
>forgot a
epik fail

>>715221076
10/10 names

>>715220794
self inserters can't refute the thematics of this, BTW.

>>715221076
I'M LOSER, LOSER!

Girth

The best Kris is a blue Kris

>>715221180
I'm not going to turn the game off after paying $25 for it.

>>715221321
12 inches (maybe more)

It's kind of surprising how many people didn't notice Spamton NEO has parallels to Ralsei and not just Kris alone
Ralsei wanting to free himself from his "purpose" as a darkner and become a real boy is certain to come up in the next schizoboss, the message just didn't get through to him despite Puppet Scarf being his weapon
Just like Jevil didn't convince Susie she's the only free one despite Devilsknife being hers too

>>715221391
I love the memes of Kris life costing 25$

>>715220876
autism

>>715221391
Fair enough to you, I just think people being so invested in Kris to the point of crying at the idea of being responsible for their suffering are being weird. Kris obviously doesn't hate the SOUL, he just doesn't like how it keeps trying to ruin his plans.

>>715221482
It works even better with female kris.

She sold me her body for half a box of space marines.

>>715221482
Kris' life costs less than a Ralsei plush in his own world

>>715219179
Did my part

You would have to be genuinely mentally retarded to believe "you possessed this random innocent kid because you're ebil :(((" is the point of the Kris/Player dynamic after everything about the phone calls and the promise.

>>715221540
Yeah, Kris does this if you get them to do a cool pose here. And they know where the camera is. This doesn't really strike me as someone who's constantly seething at the player controlling them like fanon would have you believe.

>threads are dying down
>Janny forgets his schizo meds and starts pruning
>Threads immediately go far beyond bump limits again
Really fucking strange strategy

>>715221590
Congrats, you described 98% of the fandom.

>>715221438
I think he's going to parallel Susie too because I keep feeling like she's getting jerked around by the people trying to enforce the Prophecy, when all she wants is to break out of the role of "social outcast bully" and get some real friends.
Likewise, Jevil is also relevant to Ralsei by pointing out the Lightners are just as pre-ordained as Ralsei is. It's only us the soul that's going to be able to change fate to help them.

>>715221670
The Janny is on our side... by filling us with spite, we become too invested in discussing video games. We are banishing The Gacha's Heaven.

>>715221727
Susie was also the one to point out how fucking weird the Spamton fight was afterwards
>Puppets... strings... hands...