Any scizophrenic-core video games?

>>715311521 (OP)
the slit experiment proves Panpsychism btw. Identity theorists eat shit

>>715311521 (OP)
undertale and deltarune

i don't get the joke.

>>715311521 (OP)
>>715311628
How are there so many dumb niggers that completely misunderstand what the double slit experiment even is?

>>715312819
correct me if i'm wrong but isn't just that you can't observe particles that small without interference not some oooh spooky simulation shit

>>715312646
Each particle goes through one of the slit, but hits one of the five region of the wall. Only one particle goes through the slit at a time, but it doesn't hit the wall randomly, but hits one of the five region of the wall.

>>715312912
your stupid and your wrong nigga, the particles deadass change like their existence based on whether a nigga is watching or not

>>715311521 (OP)
why certain people like you talk about schizophrenia lmao

>>715311521 (OP)
why why uh certain people like yous alwyasnalways talk about thins like like schizophrenia lmao lmao what the fuck ha ha weirdo ha ha

>>715312819
the average person was made to eat sleep and fuck, not analyze scientific bullshit nerds care about

>>715312819
Aight, so check it — when you shoot tiny things like electrons through two lil’ slits, they don’t act like regular stuff. If you ain’t watchin’ which slit they go through, they act like a wave — like they goin’ through both slits at the same time, makin’ a pattern like ripples on water. But if you try to peep and see which slit they pick, they stop actin’ like waves and just go through one, like a tiny ball. So basically, just watchin’ them changes how they act. That’s quantum stuff for you — wild, right?

>>715311819
wrong mental illness

>>715312646
Photons exhibit properties of both particles and waves. Some people think that the universe is conscious because at that scale you can't measure something without having an effect on the outcome. This is because of a "documentary" claiming this is what quantum physics is made by a cult called Ramtha's school or Enlightenment where a woman puts a pyramid on her head and claims to channel an alien spirit.

>>715312912
The double slit experiment proves the wave theory of quantum mechanics, where light and matter behaves like a wave until it's interacted with by another force, then it collapses into a particle. This interaction is called the observer effect.
Dumb illiterate niggers still to this day think the "observer" means a literal human literally looking at the experiment.

>>715313379
>grok explain the double slit experiment to a nigger

>>715313484
>yeah bro, anytime we do literally anything with any method to record the experiment it acts like a particle. but when we din du nothin' it's just a wave. totally not weird or anything and in no way redefines quantum mechanics, umm because, It JUST DOESN"T OK

>>715311628
>Panpsychism
suck the farts from my asshole and ask the how they feel about it
you dumb motherfuckers want to say the thermostat "feels cold" and so it turns the heater on but it still doesn't explain shit about the actual mechanism that creates subjective qualia from objective physical interactions, it just generalizes the case to all matter then shrugs its shoulders

fuck you

>>715313721
>anytime we do literally anything with any method to record the experiment it acts like a particle. but when we din du nothin' it's just a wave
But the experiment shows it acting like a wave

>>715313751
>it still doesn't explain shit about the actual mechanism that creates subjective qualia from objective physical interactions
holy shit you're mega retarded kek

>>715313484
i think i sorta get the explanation, but doesn't your gif show it collapsing into a wave? or is this when it's "unobserved"

>>715313854
now when you watch it, only when no method of recording the experiment is used does the wave effect appear

>>715313910
Listen I'll talk shit at the physicalists as well but panpsychism is a lazy shortcut at best and utter lunacy at worst.

>>715311521 (OP)
Hmm, let me think of games involving "reality may not be real" or "gnostic awakening"

Disco Elysium
Caves of Qud
Nethack
Morrowind (and by extension, just about all ES lore)
Maybe FF Tactics Advance (Marche knows the world is fake but most people don't believe him)
For some reason, the Myst games really send me down schizo thought patterns

>>715313968
>only when no method of recording the experiment is used does the wave effect appear
But how would you know that?

>>715313721
The wave-like behavior of photons has been observed over a century before quantum theory. The job of a theory is to explain observable data. How would the experiment redefine something that came after it and is directly influenced by it to begin with?

>>715315034
retard alert

>>715313954
The waves are inferred by the diffraction pattern created on the screen as particles hit it. It shows that you can't predict the exact location of particles as they're spread out in a probabilistic manner.
At no point does this experiment ever deal with anything regarding a conscious "looker" or any other schizo shit you read from the facebookians here, nor does it need to be schizo shit to already be weird enough.

>>715315581
>At no point does this experiment ever deal with anything regarding a conscious "looker"
then how are we perceiving the data

>>715313484
except there are no such things as particles, everything is a wave, the "collapse" you observe is just interactions between waves, which produce a reaction

>>715315656
With the screen that blocked the particles regardless of your dumb ass looking at it or not. What retardation are you even trying to say?

>>715311521 (OP)
we just call them schizo-core, and yeah there are loads of them

>>715315778
kek
you're a brainlet

>>715311521 (OP)
Chaos;Head Noah

>>715312646
>send photons through a slit on to screen that tracks where it hit
>they behave like a particle
>send photons through double slits
>they behave like a wave
>scientists baffled

>>715315581
yeah i sorta get it now after watching some videos, ignore the other guy he's ragebating and not me

>>715311521 (OP)
can you conform celceus vs feringhet math?

should I round down from 7

>>715315724
There's no wave either since it's just what we interpret all the individual events as

>>715318735
cute

>>715313968
>only when no method of recording the experiment is used
HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF YOU AREN'T RECORDING ANY DATA DUMBASS

>>715316061
>celceus vs feringhet
cansur

>>715313623
>>715312819
The double slit experiment is a thought experiment dreamed up by Richard (((Feynman))) who himself stated that it was a though experiment which could not be reproduced.

>>715312646
iirc, photons produce a wavelike patterns unless they are recorded as passing through one of the slits, at which point it no longer behaves as if it were a wave but rather a particle. This somehow implies that an individual photon can exist in multiple places at the simultaneously and pass through both holes.

>>715313968
How would you know you low iq

>>715321557

>Lets distract them by posting random physics shit so they don't focus on antisemitism
>Oh fuck this all goes back to some Jew and now they're pointing out how physics was a lie whose foundation is shabbat law.

Great tactic, why don't we move onto the next subject matter which was also deluded by you know who.

>>715315815
retard

>But grimbsy, three panels!
>Double slits

>>715322751
what if it's just some illusion that fucks with your brain, how can something spin clockwise and counter-clockwise at the same time? sounds impossible but not really

>>715322751
what if the act of recording is changing the particles?

>>715322959
I know you are

>>715322875
>The ether is real
>That would mean unlimited power is real
Oh shi-

>>715315581
>>715315034
>>715313484
>>715313436
>>715313039
Okay but what does this mean? Why do people always bring up this experiment as some sort of proof of god or some cosmic revelation or some shit? Okay so light is a wave before it’s observed, why is that so profound and revlolutionary? I still don’t really understand what that means for the jaded layman pondering the meaning of life?

>>715323124
They record after each particle hits the screen.

>>715323380
They confuse it with other experiments describing q bits.

>>715322875
>>715323271
and yet every single time someone tries to test an ether hypothesis or prove anything to this day, the results are bunk

>>715323380
Because dumb niggers are dumb and latch on to the stupidest misinterpretations and myths to justify their irrational beliefs.

>>715313484
are you talking about pilot wave theory? of all the interpretations of quantum mechanics it seems to be the most reasonable and elegant but considering all the smartest people in the world are still mystified by all of this i dont think its fair to pretend you are smarter than them or people are dumb for not understanding quantum mechanics or the double slit experiment. Richard Fynman once famously said "if you think you understand quantum mechanics, you dont understand quantum mechanics". and he is one of the most important people in its foundation. He was getting at the fact that the nature of how quantum mechanics works is extremely unintuitive and generally the people who think they just understand it completely are wrong. You are wrong btw. You legitmately lack the humility to grasp the scope of your own ignorance in the face of something extremely complicated. You cant accept this fact of course, you will cope seethe and dilate all over me in reply, but that doesnt change the fact that you do not understand quantum mechanics and you are not smart for pretending that you do.

>>715323380
Only one particle is released one at a time. That means the particle should pick one slit, but it goes through both, which causes the pattern.

>>715323468
That's what power companies want you to think

>>715323624
ok, so show me one "ether proving" experiment then.

>>715323671

>>715323752
If you think I'm CIA, then showing me an ether proving experiment would be harmless because I would already know about it.

>>715323495
Nowhere did I imply what theoretically governs the observational fact that light exhibits both wave and particle patterns, nor am I fond of theories pulling imaginary variables out of their asses, so I have no idea what you're trying to get at.

>uhhh durr durrrr i was like actually not saying anything at all i was only pretending to be retarded

>>715313039
>he doesn't know

>>715324040
You're free to tell what stupid fucking schizo pet theory you have so everyone can laugh at you for misunderstanding what an "observer" means.

>>715324285
>american literacy moment

>>715323562
We launch the electron as a particle, moves through space as a wave, but leaves a mark as a particle. If one electron is a wave, then it should leave five lines on the screen as a mark instead of a dot.

The electron is pretending to be a particle.

We already know that, but it keeps pretending, probably because it knows we can't do anything about it.

There's probably just one electron in the entire universe, it's just pretending to be multiple electron because of our perception of time.

THE ELECTRON IS LYING TO US.

>>715323002
It's funny seeing this and realising quite easily that it is objectively only spinning one way

quantum mechanics explain this
there's so such thing as particles, everything is just a wave of some fundamental field in the universe

>>715313484
>Dumb illiterate niggers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics)

HAHAHAHAAHAH hope this helps but probably not

>>715324460
explain

>>715311521 (OP)
So like this stuff also works with an eyes? Daym, so you can see in the uv and xray shit.

>>715313484
>Dumb illiterate niggers still to this day think the "observer" means a literal human literally looking at the experiment.
explain this

>>715323468
>as Einstein said such undetectability would happen, as he admitted it exists.

The ether is undefined by the nature of how it functions. "Detecting" it would negate the premise that it's the foundation.

>>715325058
great, then you can't draw infinite energy from it.

>I MEASURED SOMETHING WITH AN INSTRUMENT WHICH FUCKS UP THE THING I'M TRYING TO MEASURE
>CLEARLY THIS MEANS MY CONSCIOUS MIND IS ALTERING THE THING ITSELF BECAUSE I'M PROBABLY A FUCKING PSYCHIC
>TIME TO FUCK UP MY FIELD OF STUDY FOR DECADES TO COME

>>715313484
People somehow got the whole
>if a tree falls in a forest does it make a sound
Shit mixed into their understanding of it
The whole wave particle duality thing makes a whole lot more sense when you realise that that's it's kind of the wrong way to name it as it is always a wave of probability until it is destroyed or transferred into a new wave.

>>715325286
>i don't understand the experiment: the post

>>715325286
This is also works with a water waves.

>>715325097
Define "energy". We currently equate burning shit in a turbine to rotate a bunch of lodestones next to a copper archform which spontaneously manifests an herzian waveform dubbed "electricity" as "energy" . There is no physical transmutation, interaction or otherwise with this burning shit, exhaust, steam...none of that is actually being transported through a solid copper line and is just being wasted away into the atmosphere as it turns these polarized inert little stones around another mass of metal.

>>715325291
explain why the experiment has two different outcomes then.

>>715313436
my mom joined that Ramtha cult for years when I was younger.

Pretty fucking dumb and somehow very bland for a cult

>>715325415
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy
here, you pseudointellectual fucking retard

>>715311521 (OP)
>enemies in tower defense games taking bullshit paths all a sudden with no warning

>>715313379
Genuinely dumber than a nigger because i still do not understand. If i dump marbles down two slits they collectively go through both but each marble only goes through one. How is that some revelation?

>>715313484
>>715325291
oh okay, I always find it weird how people jump from
>light particles or waves or some shit behave in a funny way when going through a slit
>it behaves differently when nobody look at it

>>715325426
Because the interaction turns the first wave into a new one that originates from the interacton point. And since that wave doesn't propigate though both slits it doesn't generate an interference pattern.

>>715313484
what is the observer

>>715325625
what interaction?

The more science progresses, the more GOD is the obvious answer to everything

How do you feel about it, dumb atheists?

>>715325664
Whatever you used to measure what slit the quantum object traveled through.

>>715325483
>Energy (from Ancient Greek ἐνέργεια (enérgeia) 'activity') is the quantitative property that is transferred to a body or to a physical system

>He thinks fields are "physical"

skill issue.

is it true that chinese slit experiments go the otherway

>>715325791
pseudointellectual non-response

this is kinda like my penis. its huge until observed

>>715325686
Unless it's Azathoth and other stuff from Lovecraft books. By the way Doom Slayer can 1v1 with Cthulhu.

>>715325772
>measure what slit the quantum object traveled through
... can we even do that?

>>715325639
observe in this case means more like "interacted with". If you want to measure a person with a ruler for example you have to interact with them in some form

>>715311521 (OP)
How is this schizophrenic?
The observer effect is a real thing.
I don't think it's difficut to theorize that things happen differently if you are observing them.

>>715311521 (OP)
All this had proven is that light can alter its waveform - it has nothing to do with being observed.

>>715325921
You could measure the magnetic field if it was an electron you are doing the experiment with.

>>715326101
You just timetravel.

>>715311521 (OP)
It's actually pretty simple but scientists and engineers. Time isn't the 4th dimension. It's the 5th one.

>>715325426
There's no different outcome recorded because there's no practical way to measure photons without disturbing them, any diagram you saw of collapsed photons going straight through the slits is both wrong in the mechanics and also wrong through the fact that such a thing has never been observed. The weirdest thing about the experiment is how many basic facts people simply get wrong even when it's laid out so clearly.

>>715326251
And what about sand and water? Shhiiiet right?

>>715312819
Let me guess, you think the issue is that our detectors collide with the particles and interrupt their path?

The key spooky part is that the wave pattern happens even when you fire the particles ONE AT A TIME.

>>715322621
The first double slit experiment was done in 1801, you dumb animal. Unless you're making a joke, in which case your joke has structural problems but I get what you're going for, workshop it.

>>715325830
They don't even know how magnets work and you think they defined energy properly rofl.

>>715313484
>Dumb illiterate niggers still to this day think the "observer" means a literal human literally looking at the experiment.
it literally does seem to mean that, and expert physicists will tell you so.
if wave function collapse was caused merely by the "'ability" to measure the particle's position, particles with mass would all be exempt from quantum effects, because everything with mass produces a gravitational wake which could be used to measure its position, and in a certain sense, everything which interacts with that particle's gravitational wake is measuring the particle's position at all times. meaning the entire universe is measuring itself constantly.

but in all that measurement, particles only seem to make up their mind about where they are when a human takes a close look.

>>715326398
>The first double slit experiment was done in 1801
cool "Experiment" bro, showing up before the thought experiment hypothesis.

>Unless you're making a joke
This is literally what Feynman said and he's the quantum quack prodigy they all worship. Surprise, he got BTFO when asked how a magnet works too.

>>715326251
The observer experiment was done with electrons instead of photons.

>>715325798
Yeah. Reality is just a infinite micro scales stacked into a macro scale. Floaters are just your eyes functioning as a microscope and feeding images of bacteria into your brain. Asians have slits for eyes because they evolved to process photon waves in reverse. That's why they can see meridians nurture Qi.

>>715323380
>Why do people always bring up this experiment as some sort of proof of god or some cosmic revelation or some shit
Because they watched a "documentary" made by a cult or got their info second hand from someone else who watched it.

>>715326204
Time travel only works one way, there's no "back in time" since it's intrinsically connected to distance

>>715326816
Say this to black hole in the face or to pre Big Bang existence lol. See the invisible, do the impossible,.

>>715325882
Yeah and it can't be seen by the naked eye without special tools lmao

>>715326468
The "observer" in the double slit experiment is the screen which can be any surface, unless you are implying that a piece of paper is secret sentient because it has the ability to interfere with photons.

>>715326251
You can use clockwise and counterclockwise polarisers as your observers

>>715313484
how did we record the electrons acting differently prior to observation? wouldn't we need to observe it in both scenarios?

>>715327183
>how did we record the electrons
There is no empirical evidence of an electron particle.

>>715327183
Basically we see it (the screen) as a particle, but during the time that we can't see it (moving through the vacuum), it's a wave.

>>715313484
>behaves like a wave
>a "wave" is how something else behaves

>>715327381
>moving through the vacuum
negating the premise of it being a "vacuum"
>it's a wave.
of what? It's what something does.

>>715311628
>Panpsychism
i don't know why but ever since i was a child there has always been a part of me that subconciously believes this and often thinks about it, even though i'm well aware of how impossible it is and know it's literally a schizo thing
it bothers me

>>715327381
so people think it was a wave because the particles we observed had a distribution that is usually attributed to waves?

>>715327439
wave of one electron

>>715326457
You’re illiterate

>>715324690
NTA but the way she's leaning with one arm out and one in dictates the rotation direction

>>715327453
your brain functions on electric signals and wifi is an electric signal. we're all connected.

>>715327506
yeah

>>715327183
There's no non-wave result to compare to because their motion is inherently wave-like and there's no physical way to measure something without disturbing it.

>>715327585
Now move your eyes from left to middle then do the same from right to middle and keep doing it.

When i read about quantum mechanics it's always just like a group of nerds arguing about superman vs goku: simply and useless fantasy. That's why i can take theoretical physics seriously. Name ONE (1) useful thing that came from quantum physics, i will wait.
t.engineer

>>715327693
*can't

>>715327057
the observer is the human being who observes all of that taking place

>>715326204
You are unironically not wrong.

>>715327524
>wave of (thing)
so somehow physics invented a duality out of one thing doing something. This one thing in particular being a particle they have no empirical evidence of.

>>715327532
Well you're a book learned moron, guess which is worse? I can't pretend to be retarded because I don't have the means to. You get the privileged of pretending to be right because you have a foundation of religions books and a cult to back you up. Must be nice amirite?

>>715327693
>engineer
indian version? the current state of technology doesn't have to be stagnant forever you know? Try engineering a sewage system before dealing with quantum, Sanjeet

>>715327585
You can also just look at the bottom foot which is clearly rotating one way. Still a cool illusion.

>>715327453
(((They))) want you to simply consider it "schizo". Such ideas have existed and been considered not only valid, but very likely, for ages.

>>715327780
>being a particle they have no empirical evidence of
Look at this anon's pic >>715315581. See the dots as they release one electron at a time?

>>715327587
sometimes when I get a boner for no reason I suspect someone is downloading pictures of naked girls and my brain is picking up the signal. this happens at the gym locker room a lot and I should probably let them know what their employees are using the wifi for.

>>715327823
I'm still waiting, nerds.

it proves real life is actually a video game.

>>715327780
The english language is just really terrible at describing quantum physics so people make up this duality nonsense because they don't have a good word for what a particle actually is and it fucks with our linguistic assumptions, it's like people discerning colors better or worse based on how many words for colors they have in their language.

>>715327858
>look at my artistic rendition
Neat. Tell me why they have to sputter coat electron microscope subjects with gold. You realize you can reproduce this "experiment" by using water "waves" right?

If light is sooooooooooo fast and small, how do we see it? I thought so.

>>715328078
Because it eventually bounce to your eyes?

>>715327979
>The english language is just really terrible at describing quantum physics so people make up this duality nonsense because they don't have a good word for what a particle actually is
It's because they don't know what a particle is, anon. Einstein literally called upon his shabbat laws to invent a dualism out of light, an explanation he never had to actually give because what he was describing was a fucking null result.
It's a fancy word for "magnetic fart". It's a fucking pressure mediation of the ether.

>>715312912
>you can't observe particles that small without interference
You got it, that's what it proves. They act like waves otherwise, keyword here is 'act', not 'are'. Observing requires a medium to carry the information, and the medium interferes with the object being observed. Doesn't really matter on macro scales because the effect is minimal that it can be dismissed, but on the quantum scale, firing a focused electron beam at a particle tends to push it around so it's no longer doing what it was originally going to do.

Schrodinger's cat and the double slit experiment has done irreversible damage to people's perceptions regarding quantum phenomena because of midwits spouting quantum esoterism, as if that means anything.

>>715327929
>what is the point of rubbing 2 sticks together to produce fire, I don't see what technology it has led to
>cow dung eating Sanjay, circa 2025

>>715327989
The interference pattern is easily visible with cheap materials and a laser pointer, even a strand of hair is enough.
You need to get fancier if you want to measure individual particles while avoiding atmospheric interference but the principles are the same.

>>715328078
It's actually the light seeing you.

>>715327453
There is something to be said about the universality of energy. But stars for all the energy they have don't seem to have motive or consciousness.
Imo it's nothing to worry about.
Even life has its functionally useless ends; no one cries when billions of bacteria are shoah'd as you wash your hands.

>>715328176
>The interference pattern is easily visible with cheap materials and a laser pointer,
And it doesn't explain anything or differentiates it from water since water does the same shit.

>even a strand of hair is enough.
So now we don't even need a "slit".

>You need to get fancier if you want to measure individual particles while avoiding atmospheric interference but the principles are the same.
No you need to find empirical evidence of a fucking particle and know how it works before you go looking at the shadows and calling them "particles".

>>715328247
>billions of bacteria are shoah'd as you wash your hands
They dindu nuffin, dey was jus' on dey way ta skool!

>DID I JUST SHINE A LIGHT THROUGH SOMETHING TINY AND CAUSE IT TO DEFRACT AND MESS WITH ITS NATURAL STATE?
>THIS TOTALLY MEANS EVERYTHING IS A WAVE
we've been fooled for over a century by pseuds

>>715311521 (OP)
Alan Wake 1. Haven't played the second game

>>715313484
Blame the retard quantum physicists that chose "observer" to name this thing that actually means interference. Of course every layman is going to be confused when you chose a layman term and then redefined it.

>>715311521 (OP)
What happens if the slits are a hole the size of the particle

>>715328378
You’re the only pseud here bud

>>715324381
>There's probably just one electron in the entire universe, it's just pretending to be multiple electron because of our perception of time.
kek unironically hilarious and based conclusion

I've got one thing to say: Kant was right in a roundabout way. Thats all to be taken from this. Science can never actually say anything. Just sort, organize, present, and display.

>>715328725
>Science can never actually say anything. Just sort, organize, present, and display.
This is fundamentally not saying anything itself.

nice videogames thread, /sci/ggots

>>715328280
The double slit experiment demonstrates wave behavior in photons, electrons and atoms. The cheap version with a laser pointer doesn't show you that individual photons have particle-like behavior, that's what the fancier tools are for. It's not the job of an experiment to explain the theory behind itself, there are many interpretations but the double-slit experiment shows one truth and theories must be formulated around that truth.

>>715328674
Well, it does act like a wave, like it does it in unlimited number of times before hitting the screen, so it's not impossible.

>particles change their trajectory when you bombard them with other particles to capture their trajectory
Woah, I'm glad we've spend trillions of dollars on such important scientific progress

>>715328725
Kant and the Enlightenment have single-handedly done more damage for the world than the Abrahamics they were based off of.

>>715323797
>its fine if a random goy knows about it
KEK no. you would send your 5g beam into my head

>>715311521 (OP)
>Versofags killing themselves en masse right now

>>715328853
nobody here has ever touched any nonfiction

>>715328859
>The double slit experiment demonstrates
thought experiments don't even demonstrate thoughts, you idiot.

>photons, electrons and atoms.
more shit that has no empirical evidence

>The cheap version with a laser pointer doesn't show you that individual photons have particle-like behavior, that's what the fancier tools are for
I didn't know there were cheap and expensive thought experiments. Do the expensive ones charge more per hour to think about?

>It's not the job of an experiment to explain the theory behind itself, there are many interpretations but the double-slit experiment shows one truth and theories must be formulated around that truth.
No you do not just perform an experiment and then formulate the hypothesis after, you have it backwards you fucking idiot!

>>715311628
>our consciousness, which for most people forms the seat of their identity, is merely a passive observation of the experiences of whatever meat machine it has glommed onto
strangely enough, each individual meat machine knows it is being observed. I can sit here now, and type with my meat machine fingers, a message discussing my own consciousness. How does my meat machine know that it is conscious? consciousness must, in some capacity, affect the material world.

>>715327453
Panpsychism doesn't really seem like a schizo thing to me, it's just a postulate on the origin of consciousness which states that nothing in particular creates consciousness, but rather that it is simply a property of matter. Complex structural interactions (such as our brains) do not directly create or serve as a vessel for consciousness, but rather, merely organize that which was already there.

Really, we don't know where it comes from, though. Panpsychism is as good a guess as the soul.

>no one mentioned this schizo game

>Pseuds still haven't learned that we can literally film the double slit experiment
ENTER
https://youtube.com/watch?v=snSIRJ2brEk&pp=ygUVMSB0cmlsbGlvbiBmcHMgY2FtZXJh

>>715329089
The double-slit experiment is a practical exercise that any kid learns to do in school, I'm sorry that your education system failed you and you made a fool of yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsKNeI13ndc

>>715329089
>Photons, electrons, and atoms
>No empirical evidence
Look at this lil nigga who thinks he can eat Cs-137 and not melt like a zombie lmao. I know you're trying to be epic and contrarian because you have no sense of self or accomplishments, but you have to prove your parents wrong about being a deadbeat disappointment by doing something real.

>>715329270
this blurry ass 24fps shit. What game are you trying to pull?

>>715329295
>I'm sorry that your education system failed you
For people like him, it's backwards: he failed the system. The education system has literally never been more forgiving and more efficient at conveying information. It's the best it's ever been. Furthermore, people have the Internet to absorb all human knowledge at their leisure. To be so stupid in the modern era is a pure skill issue. It means you've seen all of the tools given to you to not be a dumb faggot, ignored all of them, and spend your time whining about how everyone in the world isn't doing even more to carry you.

>>715329295
Still going to post this even though you already showed me what youtuber gave you your stupid opinion on this Kosher Light switch bullshit.

>>715329465
Dumb nigger typed all of this shit out and still thinks that means we have proof of any of the bullshit described. Yeah they're so different and "particulate" and there are so many magical mystical forces yet at every turn you're still a bitch using electromagnetic fields to manipulate them

>>715329523
Stop being a whiny bitch.

science """""""EXPERTS""""""""" want me to believe that photons have zero mass even though they can exert force onto things. keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek

>>715329681
How about you post something actually good, shit eater. Get that ass filtered

>>715329642
>You're a bitch for using electromagnetism to look at charged particles
You're a bitch for posting this faggy pseud nonsense, you fucking brown retard. Literally none of the equipment you're pseudposting from would work if what you claim is true really was. If you wanted negative attention this badly, you could just fucking find your deadbeat absentee dad and tell him you're gay.

>>715329795
This isn't reddit bitch, downvoting isn't a thing here. I'm going to call you a stupid faggot zoomer for getting filtered this easily. You're going to take it like the prison bitch you are. And I'm going to continue to do it until you stop acting like a woman.

>>715329642
>one of the easiest, clearest practical experiments anyone can do at home
>WHER DA PROOF??
what a nigger lmao

>>715329938
no, i think you're the one that got filtered. kek kek kek keeeeeeeeeeeek!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>715329270
>>715329523
>We somehow recorded light faster than the sensor in the camera so that the camera could slow it down for you
It's still funny how people will post this CGI edited video as proof without even thinking of the implications.

>>715329852
>You're a bitch for posting this faggy pseud nonsense,
Where is the six flag "drop of doom" that uses gravity to do this shit? No, it's all just big electromagnetic coils you call "particle accelerators". Physicist are you okay?

>Literally none of the equipment you're pseudposting from would work if what you claim is true really was.
Oh? You mean the equipment that plugs into an outlet hooked up to archaic hertzian waverform generator? Yeah it literally wouldn't you're right. Not even wifi would work.

>>715329769
>I don't know what energy is
Just goes to show that banning under-18s from the Internet is a positive in the long run. Stay in school and shut the fuck up until after you learn how to not be a child.

>>715329996
>"double slit"
>It's a single slit
Cool reproducibility, nerd.

>>715329295
Uh huh. So what did that practical exercise teach you?

>>715330098
>"acktually energy is the ability to redesribe the word "energy" using "work" ".

>>715330118

>>715330098
is light a force?

i really do not care about physics, i'm more interested in the so-called 'schizophrenic-core' games. any of those?

>>715330054
The satellites that regulate communications between you and me use radioactively-controlled atomic clocks to apply relativistic corrections to the signals they're transmitting. You fucking lost niggoid
>Muh gravity spring
Anyone who's taken more than an afternoon of physics knows how that gif works by balancing static forces at the top and bottom of the spring. You just fucking suck. This is a (you) issue. You are not nearly as smart as you think you are. You are stupid. You have been stupid and you will always be stupid. Your ego is a lie. Your ego over this heckin based contrarianpill physics is a lie. You have and are nothing.

>>715330164
That light exhibits wave behavior. Why does such a simple assertion generate so much seethe and confusion?

>>715330054
>He couldn't watch more than a minute into the video where they describe exactly how the camera works
Get filtered zoomie. You don't get to have real opinions until after you turn 18.

>>715324381
>Panpsychism
>>715323562
>>715323380
>>715328674
The single electrons make a single mark on the wall. But if that is repeated over and over, the marks build up on the wall in the interference pattern... because they are following a probability wave.

>>715330401
>That light exhibits wave behavior.
How did you come to this conclusion?

>>715330279
Electromagnetism is. I will not explain further because that's your teacher's job. It's your job to listen to them. Can't do that? Skill issue

>>715327439
the answer is 9

>>715327693
Internet, Nukes, Space travel? Nigga?

>>715330473
Through the fact that the double-slit experiment demonstrates light behaving in a way consistent with waves.

How come whenever there's a /v/ thread about some science shit and it's got philosophers shizoposting in the background, the thread always gets flooded by retards trying to unprove easily demonstrated results? Is there something about philosophy that compels people to schizo out and unlearn all their knowledge on purpose for brownie points? Seems like a very silly and useless field of study if true.

>>715330298
>Anyone who's taken more than an afternoon of physics knows how that gif works by balancing static forces at the top and bottom of the spring. You just fucking suck. This is a (you) issue. You are not nearly as smart as you think you are. You are stupid. You have been stupid and you will always be stupid. Your ego is a lie. Your ego over this heckin based contrarianpill physics is a lie. You have and are nothing.

>>715330672
I already told you that you're an overcompensating lowIQ soijaking retard, anon. You don't have to post selfies of yourself to convince me further.

why is the reddit scientist in this thread yapping about "reproducing" it with lasers when photons are different to electrons? you know, this mystery is related to the electrons right?

>>715330602
It's 100% of the time some insecure cultist who sees some particular bit of observable data as an existential threat to his cult, so he lashes out at facts instead of just realizing the obvious. It's fucking hilarious just how much nonsense there is randomly surrounding the most innocuous things.

>>715328674
The positron is just an electron seen moving backwards through time.

>>715330491
>Electromagnetism is.
>which implies light is in fact a force

>>715330414
>He couldn't watch more than a minute into the video where they describe exactly how the camera works
But can they explain how light works? I know how a camera works, which is also how I know it's not going to prove shit when it comes to light:the fucking shit that makes it work in the first place.

>>715330602
>Is there something about philosophy that compels people to schizo out and unlearn all their knowledge on purpose for brownie points?
>negation
You figured it out, now try it sometime.

this thread is slowly creeping into Fractal territory without knowing.

>>715330595
I see. Let me ask you something. How do you expect these rays of light to differ when they hit these walls?

>>715330852
I know that I don't know.

>>715313206
they are low level primates, plain and simple
they believe having a consciousness andinner monologue makes you a schizo lmao

we live among meat bots

>>715330751
Photons, electrons, atoms and molecules all exhibit the same wave behavior. It's probably the most macro-scale quantum experiment there is.

>>715330816
>Electromagnetism is a force
>But light, which is a self-sustsaining electromagnetic force oscillation, is not a force
Post all the triangles you want. You're still wrong. Study something real, not whatever made up philosophical garbage is making you troon out today. Your parents will be way more proud of you.

So how do they observe it? The put a magnifying glass up to the camera?

>>715325286

>>715330580
All of those do not use in any way quantum physics to work.

>>715330751
It doesn't matter. All particles exhibit the same behavior. Lasers are just the cheapest setup. This is important for pseud faggots who chimp out at the sight of a radiation source that emits one particle at a time to do it for real

>>715311628
>I don't know what the word observation means when used in quantum physics
Perform the quantum suicide experiment

>>715325286
.

>>715331086
The transistors on modern CPUs exploit quantum effects to be smaller than classical electrodynamics would permit, otherwise, modern chip densities would be impossible.

once again a bunch of retarded fucks all claim to know what the top quantum physicists don't

>>715311521 (OP)

>>715311521 (OP)
Superliminal

>>715331019
>Electromagnetism is a force
>But light,
It's the same thing you fucking moron. He asked if light was a force and like a disingenuous sniveling conniver you gave another name for it and refused to elaborate.

>Post all the triangles you want.
I'm only posting the most relevant one to EM, the one you faggot glorified mathmeticians can't even quantify that is.

>>715331220
I don't want to be associated with a bunch of quacks who themselves say their own bullshit makes no sense. They use the word "quantum" because they're too unsure of a quantity to be found, a meaningless buzzword that refers to nothing specific in and of itself. Used a modifier word in front of or in conjunction with shit that does actually have properties.

>>715331185
what happens to my computer if I observe my CPU?

>>715330491
lol epic fail. go back to plebbit

>>715311521 (OP)
impressive, very nice.
now how about we set the jüdischephysik aside and look at what's actually happening?

>>715331383
it blushes and raises your idle temps

>>715328419
That confusion only occurs because layman are totally ignorant of the fact it is impossible to observe something without a mediating interaction. You're not God, you can't just "look" at a "particle" (actually a probability cloud but whatever) absent any material reality, you have to check its properties via interactions, which paradoxically change its properties.

>>715331119
>All particles exhibit the same behavior
proof?

>>715331376
He asked if light was a force as a cheap attempt at a gotcha "refutation" for why light still carries energy and imparts force despite not having mass. If you already knew that light was a self sustaining electromagnetic pulse, you wouldn't be asking that question at all. You would already know why light can transmit force. You will not deflect away from this, you stupid bitch. I'm not falling for your gay little rat tricks. Fuck off.

>>715323380
>Why do people always bring up this experiment as some sort of proof of god or some cosmic revelation or some shit?

The experiment basically throws a wrench into how humanity would view reality. Double slit is more or less a low-key existential crisis because there's not a clear perspective on what the nature of reality is due to behavior at the atomic/sub-atomic scale contradicting large scale matter. Hence why you can have arguments about the validity of concepts like many worlds vs super determinism. Because the double slit can only be """interpreted""" with our limited understanding.

>I still don’t really understand what that means for the jaded layman pondering the meaning of life?

It means three things.

One the reality you occupy is determined by at least two different set of rules. One you can directly observe (Classical/Newtonian), the other you can not directly observe (Quantum). That means you are only getting half the ""picture"" of what you experience everyday.

Two, since no religion or spiritual doctrine has ever describe this behavior of the world. There is no established literature to rectify it to the masses who would occasionally ponder the meaning of life. So there's a possible nilistic feeling that could occur due to dissatisfaction with the "god of the gaps" explanations.

Three the functionality and efficiency of a lot of technology you use is going to continue to be dependent on how well scientist understand Quantum phenomenon in general. For instance one of the major issues with electronics getting smaller and smaller is due to the fact that at a certain threshold Quantum Tunneling will occur. The more Quantum Tunneling occurs due to shrinking electronics (think transistors) the harder it becomes for them to be efficient due to the rules of Quantum allowing electrons to bypass the man made structures because they are too small and thin enough to sufficiently hold matter that doesn't behave the way we are use to.

>>715311521 (OP)
How come this is the only simulation glitch?
You'd think if we were in a video game, there'd be more glitches, but there's not.
I can't even fathom how religion would've developed where we would see glitches as acts of god

>>715331086
Nukes 100% are, everything else was studied as parallel research. So yeah wtf?

>>715331383
This is why they cover them with a plate and a heatsink, they don't want the CPU to get nervous and do random autistic shit when you're watching.

>>715331185
>The transistors on modern CPUs exploit quantum effects to be smaller than classical electrodynamics would permit
>And yet it still runs on a 120V outlet.

>>715331584
>He asked if light was a force as a cheap attempt at a gotcha "refutation" for why light still carries energy and imparts force despite not having mass
There isn't even proof light travels.

>If you already knew that light was a self sustaining electromagnetic pulse
It's a pulse perturbation of the ether, much like a sound "wave". There is no distinction between "light" and "illumination" (what light does) because once you make it stop doing shit (ie stop moving) it ceases to exist.

>You would already know why light can transmit force. You will not deflect away from this, you stupid bitch. I'm not falling for your gay little rat tricks. Fuck off.
>hurr it's "light" not "electromagnetism"

Light is as real as a shadow, why you feel smart for chasing it like a shadow one must wonder.

>>715330856
Hmmm. What if the experiement didn't involve a slit? How would the shapes on the walls appear?

>force behaves differently when observed
guess you could say the force is female
*ba-dum-tss*

>>715331534
The fact that the double slit experiment can be reproduced with gamma and beta radiation with the same results. The fact that neutron diffraction exists as a measurement technique that exploits this same behavior in a variety of industries. People have even built scanning helium microscopes that exploit it's properties as a matter wave to achieve otherwise impossible resolutions without electrically exciting the surface.

>>715331772
>the ether
Bait too obvious

how did the experiments measure the particles going through the slits? i think it is simple to expect them to behave differently if you apply a new force onto them to measure them

>>715331772
You could have picked any fun schizo theory and you pick fucking "ether"?

>>715325530
No. One marble goes through BOTH slits, that's why the pattern occurs.

>>715311521 (OP)
Kind of looks like a CRT

>>715311521 (OP)
This is a dream God is having. It's purpose is the same as our dreams, we filter what parts of our minds are useful to us and which harmful, those get confined to the realm of nightmares. What you wanna do is prove yourself to be useful to God and not end up in his nightmares.

>>715313968
You're looking at the fucking wall with a diffraction pattern on it. How is that not recording?

>>715331975
The original double slit experiment used a radiation source that emitted a highly energetic particle exactly one at a time. The detector was just a sheet of paper with a coating that changed color whenever a particle hit it. They pointed the source at the paper with the double slit in between and simply watched the diffraction pattern slowly materialize in the color change. The reason this was so revolutionary is because exactly one particle was being emitted at once yet the diffraction pattern still happened.

>>715331934
>>715331981

Because it's like the N-word to a physicist quack. It tells me that it must exist by how insufferable they act when you mention it. One little word and the cope and crying comes out. Oh and also because it was never disproved. They "disproved" it using a failure "experiment" that produced a null result which some zionist bothered to explain (for some retarded reason).

>>715331631
There could be more "simulation glitches" but our observations at our current scale won't allow us to see it.

For instance we have no idea what actually lies beyond the "observable universe". So glitches could occur there and you would never know it. Because when would a human ever be afforded the opportunity to witness it first hand?

>>715332094
Wait you don't Capeshit nightmares, out of existence? lol lmao

>>715332194
Just stop posting bro, it's over

>>715332194
>Because it's like the N-word to a physicist quack.
exactly. they wouldn't want to keep the luminiferous aether away from us if there wasn't a good reason

>>715322751
>>715315894
>>715313436
If photons are particles, how can they travel at the speed of light?

>>715332308
Cool story bro, now build another tokamak knowing full well it won't work.

>>715332194
>Because it's like the N-word to a physicist quack

>>715332351
Because they are light.

>>715332252
Whatever you do with nightmares, every inhabitant is a fragment of you, that includes the monsters

How can I know you guys are real?

>>715332351
Maybe it’s not about light rushing forward on its own, but time spinning the track that keeps everything moving at the speed of time.

>>715330797
Ah, Feynman and Wheeler's notion, you are a mighty good sir

>>715330054
this gif is so retarded. Anyone who has touched a slinky knows that both ends of the slinky want to pull together. What's happening is that while gravity is pulling the slinky down, the bottom is retracting while the top is being accelerated downward, making it appear to float.

>>715332465
In the dreams everyone are literally in the God mode. So yeah Rip and Tear until it's done.

>>715331981
The reason peiple shill for ether is because they want to use it to prove the earth is flat. I can't remember why exactly. I thi j it was because if you choose to believe luminiferous ether is real then the Michelson Morely experiment actually proved that the earth isn't moving through space.

>>715332482
Sometimes I don't know if I'm real

>>715311628
wrong, whether or not the electron allows you to view it depends which cosmic octaves you are in tune with

i've found that if i tune myself to 126.22 hz that electrons are much less likely to hide from my inner eye

if you are newly awakened just don't tune below 88 hz and you should be fine

>>715332482
>He thinks there's "real"

>>715332572
>while gravity is pulling the slinky down,
By what mode? How does mass attract to mass? How do you distinguish this from magnetism?
>making it appear to float.
>He said, on a whirling rock in space

>>715332616
At least flat earthers are the funny kind of retards, there are way worse schizos.

someone should make a video game about the real stuff like zero point energy, sonic levitation, and enoch

>>715332673
Relativity explains how mass attracts mass but I don't think you're ready for it yet since you still believe in the aether lmao. A plastic slinky isn't magnetic btw.

>>715331515
They still shouldn't have called it observer.

>>>/x/

>>715331934
>>715331981
In fairness, ether theory is basically just an early way of thinking about waves.
Ether was thought to be a weightless substance that allowed for the transmission of light through empty space.
That's what the electromagnetic field is, except it's weird to call it a "substance".

>>715332765
And you think that's going to happen using models and engines based on Cartesian coordinates instead of hyperbolic geometry.

>>715332827
>Relativity explains
>mass warps spacetime
>but idk what "Space" is or what properties it has to "warp".
>and time is a measurement and not actually something with properties.
lol
>A plastic slinky isn't magnetic btw.
How is it propped into existence in this universe then?

>>715332673
>How does mass attract to mass?
Like a fat bitch attracting more food to her mouth, the bigger you are, the harder (you) fall. And if god is the universe experiencing itself, then god is a fatass consuming everything including itself.

Pornography has permanently damaged my soul and I do not know if I can come back.

>>715332482
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe6Rs6TpsX8

Quantum entanglement is a much bigger mindfuck than wave particles but schizos aren't ready for this discussion yet.
Once two particles are entangled, if you measure one particle, the other particle’s state instantly changes to match even if it’s on the other side of the universe. This happens faster than light could travel between them, defying our usual rules about cause and effect
No one knows how this works, information doesn’t seem to travel, yet the particles act like they’re talking instantly. It’s as if the universe has a secret hotline we can’t tap into.

>>715332946
The invariance of the speed of light is impossible if the aether exists. Before Einstein published relativity, theorists like Lorentz were coming up with all sorts of cope theories that gave it time-dilation properties before it was concluded it just doesn't exist and that a vacuum really is a vacuum.

>>715332985
You're laughing because you are being shown how funny your willful ignorance is. It's funny as an ironic joke but it is ultimately kind of sad. This thread is a great demo of how narcissistic mental illness is.

>>715333147
All it takes is two weeks cold turkey and your mind will be cleaned up, being outside or among people is a cheat code can't watch porn if you're with people

>>715333221
But a vacuum isn't really a vacuum. It contains fields. Which is a massless thing that permeates all space.

>>715333147
Pornography has permanently enlightened my soul and I do know I can come again.

>>715332482
Would I lie to you?

>>715332985
>>715333096
I have a personal theory that mass/energy in some way creates spacetime. Because of this, there's more spacetime around sources of high mass. The spacetime is more "dense" there which creates this warping effect.
And the created spacetime drives universal expansion.

But it's totally just shower thoughts based on nothing.

>>715333220
You just teleportation.

>>715333383
>h-ha ha y-you're laughing at yourself!
I bet you also even believe that Einstein's velocity composition laws have anything to do with GPS. Right? Go on, tell me all about the classified DoD documents revolving around GPS and people familiar with Einsteins thinking (how terrible).

>>715324460
It's not. You can see it both ways depending on which side you start looking at it from.

>>715333516
That's not really what the aether was meant to be. The aether was thought to be some kind of external object that light waves just happened to interact with. Like a giant endless pool of invisible and massless water. The EM field is the light itself. The best way to think of a field like the EM field is simply the intensity of electromagnetic excitation at any given point. It is created by charged objects and only exists because they exist, it isn't this nebulous third party entity that's just there in the background. A light wave propagates because the EM field has two components: electric excitation and magnetic excitation, and because both electric and magnetic forces provoke each other, they can produce a self-sustaining chain reaction that we call light. In this way, light propagating through the EM field is really saying "light propagates through itself." That's not what the aetherbros were proposing.

>>715333492
>can't watch porn if you're with people
uh.....

>checking its properties means it changes its property results
How do we know that since that means we can't check these things in their natural state or else they get interfered with? Wouldn't trying to check them only ever produce the altered state and thus we'd have no way of ever knowing it behaved any differently?

>>715333682
Stronger gravity makes time pass more slowly. This is also observed in black holes, where you essentially reach stillness at the event horizon. Conversely, it's not impossible to believe that further away from gravity, "time" may accelerate.

>>715333875
>one theory of the aether anyway

>>715333742
Yeah you are laughing at yourself anon. Like I said, narcissism. Virtually all schizophrenic delusions boil down to a narcissistic need to be #1 at something yet not having the ability to be #1 at anything, so you just invent a reality in your head where you're special.

>>715331053
Cameras that can see super slow and magnify super small

>>715333682
You know too much, gomen

>>715333979
Normal people.

>>715333984
shut up goyim

>>715334020
>You have cancer? Shoot yourself. - XKCD

>>715332202
My pet hypotheisis is the further you go the more the universe probably resembles early universe. The big bang technically never ended, you get to the very edge you're likely seeing what the universe was like at the epoch.

>>715332482
ask Sora

>>715333992
Well my thought is that the more dense spacetime is at a point, the more space and time you have to trudge through to get anywhere. So from the outside it would look like time slowed down.
If it helps, think of it like a mud puddle that gets deeper the closer you are to the center. Though that's a poor analogy.

>>715333984
Imagine there being an error bar of 0.00000000001% around the measured value of any property of a reasonably sized object. That's the quantum effect. There is fuzz but because that fuzz is randomized across billions of atoms it collapses back down to the average value that it's supposed to be. These kinds of quantum effects only matter when building machines that operate at the quantum scale like electron microscopes or transistors

>muh qualia
>muh subjective experiences
>muh inability to be a bat
What a bunch of horseshit. Oh man, the extremely complex meat machine parses its (manipulatible and predictable in outcome) inputs into predictable patterns of language within its internal programming and is able to convey those language constructions to other meat machines in a way that affects their own programming, how esoteric and unknowable. A fucking LLM can do the same thing indistinguishably from a real human bean. The fact that you can completely change the subjective nature of someone's "conscious" existence by manipulating their hardware shows that it is an entirely mechanical and replicable process that we will soon be able to recreate in its entirety.

>>715334274
Sounds like a misunderstanding of the idea that the further into space you look the further back in time you're looking.
But this is only the case because that light is from further away and took a long time to reach you. It would be the case no matter where in the universe you were.

How do I stop being a transphobe?

the double slit experiment isn't even that weird, it's just wave collapse
the weird part is the intrinsic indeterminism, that the wave function is the probability, and that calling it wave-particle duality in the first place is a misnomer because it's not a wave or a particle

>>715332482
I’m in your walls, faggot.

>>715334510
why don't you like trans people?

>>715334270
It would kill the cancer by virtue of killing the host, so yeah.

>>715334082
Oh yeah I'm totally laughing at myself and not at the qucks who have..what are we up to now? 61 names for magnetic farts? How many more names will you call one thing? How many more "particles" will it take to manipulate only using electromagnetism before it sinks in that it's fundamentally the same shit? How is the search for the magic monopole going? What about the big black polarized portion of space you keep attributing to "dark matter" which allegedly makes up most of the universe despite the lack of proof for it being what is used for the proof of it?

>>715331515
>That confusion only occurs because layman are totally ignorant
Yes, that's the definition of "layman" in this context. The naming is counter-intuitive, that's the problem.

>>715334176
Is sex with normal people technically porn?

>>715334452
I understand that, I just think the edge of the universe is still "forming" kind of how the universe would have universally been forming at the start. So an extremely hot and dense barrier surrounding the entire thing we call a universe but still dark because it's so dense that photons can't escape the density like before the CMB. But it's unlikely we'll know.
My physics education is high school level though, most of what I know is from falling asleep watching PBS spacetime, so feel free to clear up why I'd be wrong.

>>715334524
it's time to create a new word for these entities
wave + particle = warticles, warts
test + particle = testicles

>>715333220
Yeah, quantum teleportation has interesting and easy to understand practical usage too, at least if we can ever understand how to use it.

>>715334656
Neutron diffraction doesn't use electromagnestism to provoke the diffraction, numbnuts. You point and shoot. Matter wave. You unironically don't know what you're talking about. Take your pills and read a book.

>>715334510
Try this:
>Gender norms are sociological. It's just how we choose to treat people based on their gender. There's nothing biologically male about the name "Steve" for example.
>People can choose to act outside of their gender norms. That's called freedom. You can wear "female" clothes, go by a "female" name, act in a "female" manner, and attempt to look as "female" as possible.
>We shouldn't be dicks to these people. This is really the only point of contention.
That's the whole trans issue in a nutshell as far as I'm concerned. People get hung up on dumb shit but this is the raw reality under the surface. Should we be dicks to trans people or not? Should we force our sociological norms on people or allow people to have freedom?
I'm an American, so I believe in the freedom one.

>>715327837
no it's both ways

One of my biggest fears is that we'll learn too much and attempt some kind of experiment and just delete the entire universe. Like the Dwemer in Elder Scrolls. People used to fear that even something as low yield as the first atom bomb would do the same thing so maybe I am superstitious, but it really feels like flying too close to the sun.

>>715334821
If the edge of the universe is still forming right now, why do we have light of it still forming that is just now reaching us from billions of years ago? Surely it was still forming THEN. When it sent that light our way.

>>715335241
Because light has a finite speed and the universe is really, really big.

>>715335230
The tale of the atom bomb igniting the atmosphere is thankfully exaggerated, that was ruled out quite early with Fermi just saying to scare the guards because he was a cunt.

>>715335230
>we'll learn too much and attempt some kind of experiment and just delete the entire universe
Why would this scare you? This is winning in every philosophical system of belief I can think of. No cycle of suffering for the Hindus/Sikhs/Buddhists/Jainists, free Rapture for the Abrahamics, painless death for the nihilists, and a big "fuck you" to God for the Satanists and Gnostics.

>>715335230
I remember reading a book that had a plot like that. There were aliens that visited earth, but they could also see the future or something. They knew exactly how the universe would end. They cause the end of the universe with some kind of spaceship engine experiment in the far future. The humans ask why they don't try to prevent the experiment, but time is written in stone and they're incapable of changing the future they've seen.

>>715335015
>Matter wave.
So it is indeed electromagnetism
>Neutron diffraction doesn't use electromagnestism

they carry a magnetic moment which is why they are used to measure magnetic structure of materials. If it didn't use magnetism then the devices that utilize them wouldn't be hooked up to a fucking breaker panel.

>>715335450
What game?

>>715335230
I don't think we could glitch out the entire universe, we could probably in a few billion years make a Dyson Sphere and weaponize stars or even kinetic energy of black holes/neutron stars and direct it with Death Star shit to systematically destroy star systems, but I don't think we could cause like a big crunch. I mean entropy will naturally take care of all that anyway.
>>715335406
>sanest JRPG villain

>>715335104
The point of contention is trannies are liars and predate on children. The only way to reproduce is by grooming. Nobody was a tranny, they were rightfully eliminated from the gene pool early on. But in came CIA with HRT to the autistic community like they did with crack cocaine in niggerhoods, and everything fell apart.
Just stop lying about what you are. You have trillions of cells saying you have XY chromosomes so you'll never be a woman.

>>715335274
That's what I'm saying though. If I just now received a photograph from billions of years ago showing the edge of the universe in an early state, why would I think it's still in an early state right now? The photograph is billions of years old.

>>715335230
Quantum mechanics show that reality is not continuous, is uncertain and works in discrete packets of information, as if it's optimized and tuned to be accurate enough to sustain macro existence but not take too much processing power at quantum scales.
I'm not a simulationfag but this really makes me think.

>>715335516

>>715335406
I've always been terrified of the concept of nothing or the idea of non-existence. Even when I was a wee lad I ran into the living room one night hysterical about the fact that I would die.

>>715334510
Lobotomize yourself or take a shitton of antipsychotics.

>>715335525
No, seriously, the foundation of every human philosophy is "life fucking sucks." The rules and regulations that result out of that are based on the idea that life will continue on in some fashiom; if some other guy destroys all of creation, and it's not your fault, you win.

>>715335643
>Need to be mentally ill to like-
Oh
Funny hehe

>>715335558
>is uncertain and works in discrete packets of information
What's God's IP address so I can ddos him?

>>715335230
the playable characters in the game cannot delete the game.

>>715335527
If someone chooses to make themselves look like a woman, should we be an asshole to them, yes or no?
You fags are all caught up on your fucking chromosomes. My chromosomes told me that my eyes should suck, but I can wear glasses. Elon's chromosomes told him to be bald, but he still got hair plugs. We subvert our biology all the time. Why is this issue different?

And spare me your "but the children" bullshit. According to you, trannies existing anywhere within a mile of a child is "grooming".

>>715335535
I'm the original anon, nta you're responding directly to. The universe is expanding and has been for billions of years. Since its inception. And it will as far as our physics know continue to do this forever. If it's expanding, who is to say it's not still forming?

the double slit experiment is god telling us we should not believe in autonomous natural forces

>>715335443
>Matter wave = electromagnetism
Retard
>Magnetic moment means they use electromagnetism to perform tunneling even though it works on totally inert substances, due to neutrons being electrically inert and scattering via the strong nuclear force (which is one of the positives of the process)
Double retard
Your schizo hallucinations can't stand up to the nondestructive testing my company uses on a monthly basis. You're almost 150 years too late for people to take you seriously. Pure narcissism.

>>715335864
Because they are trying to change their very essence. It is the third greatest blasphemy.

>>715335575
If you don't believe in any an ephemeral Soul, or some other way for the conscious to persist after death, non-existence cannot be experienced. It won't be like anything. It's like being afraid of what happens when you're asleep.

That said, I get it. My parents forced me to drink a bottle of vodka after they caught me sneaking liquor when I was about 13, and I immediately started screaming about how there was no way of knowing that what I was seeing and feeling externally was what is actually happening in reality. I was sobbing openly for hours until I vomited and passed out. Philosophy is a fuck.

>>715335525
>I mean entropy will naturally take care of all that anyway.
Entropy doesn't work in the Quantum realm.

>>715333220
Think of computer logic. It's an if statement. If one thing happens to one particle the opposite happens to the other. It happens instantly because it does it in one update cycle.

i'll never understand what's supposed to be so mysterious about the double slit
tiny things act like waves when they're on the move. you fuck with that wave, it behaves a little differently. wowwww

>>715333220
>>715334978
What if you used this to make an FTL USB connection? A pair of entangled particles that have a pair of possible states. You flip between 0 and 1 on one end, the other flips instantaneously even if it's a million light years away. Serial data transmission.

>>715335963
explain

>>715334020
>>715334270
our society is unironically adapting this mindset. in Canada it's very easy to get approved for assisted suicide. tell them you're miserable for any reason, they'll practically push it on you.

>>715331631
With light we have photons which are particles of light while at the same time we have light that acts as waves through optics. Due to this the simulation decided to use particles when we can expect a particle and waves when we don't.

>>715336064
people are weird and want to cling to ANYTHING that let's them escape determinism.

>>715336136
>in Canada it's very easy to get approved for assisted suicide
it's really not

>>715336112
Unlimited Big bang works.

>>715336136
I think they want to harvest their organs and life essence.

>>715336197
are you talking about matter flitting into and out of existence?

>>715311521 (OP)
I've upgraded your schizophrenia.

>>715336136
Assisted suicide is fantastic for governments, because it mostly kills off old people. All they need to do next is insist that retirement is a burden and then start forcing them all to get euthanized with promises of supporting their families.

>>715336136
>in Canada it's very easy to get approved for assisted suicide
Is this REALLY a thing or is it schizos from across the ocean yapping about shit they don't know about?

>>715336064
it doesn't act like a wave all the time. that's the point. it has nothing to do with interaction either. there is no particle or wave in the first place.

>>715336136
>our society is unironically adapting this mindset
If you don't believe there's any intrinsic purpose to being alive, and being alive sucks for you, there's not really much reason to continue to be alive, innit?

>>715336240
More like infinity beyond comprehension.

>>715336274
I had a long night of going through the absolute batshit insane double particle experiments people have come up with to try to eliminate the observer as much as possible.

>>715336274
>coincidence counter
They made an anti-semitic machine?

>>715335929
It's MY essence, why can't I change it? What gives you authority over my body? No fictional characters please.

>>715336283
just look up MAID, read about it and make up your own mind.

>>715336064
it's weird because it's not a wave, it's a probability in the shape of a wave
a wave is a motion necessarily made up of many particles, but the wave function applies to even individual particles.

>>715312912
I wouldn't even use the word 'observe'

>You can't MEASURE particles that small without interference"

>>715336197
This only applies on timescales long enough to ensure no matter can maintain coherence. But you're probably a schizo given you're talking about a "quantum realm" as if it's a system that can be accessed and affected.

>>715336064
People want to believe magic is real, making shit up about so-called quantum flapdoodles lets them.

>>715336304
alright schizoposting aside, the original discussion was about nothingness and matter pops into existence on a quantum scale so infrequently that the scale of the hubble constant will render the universe effectively as "nothing" regardless of particles doing this. No, I don't prescribe to the theory that matter does this often enough to fill a whole universe multiple times and while it may have furnished circumstances for the big bang, I also don't agree with subsequent or prior big bangs.

>>715335929
What is essence?

>>715333220
>>715334978
I think the more dizzying questing is asking how quantum particles are allowed to exist at all.
Antimatter and antienergy can't exist afaik so how come quantum material that exists in two seperate states does?

>>715335886
>strong nuclear force
There he goes again with his "4 forces but we derived it using only one force" excuse. Yeah imagine if electromagnets acted like halbach arrays which resulted in a multiplicatively stronger force on the microscopic scale. Oh and gravity? Gravity totally isn't just dielectric acceleration.

>Your schizo hallucinations can't stand up to the nondestructive testing my company uses on a monthly basis.
And let me guess all your gay baby machines hook up to some single/ three phase power line so you can continue the psychosis that it's somehow 4 forces and not one. Imagine. I bet you even believe the electricity is actually traveling too, through a solid copper line no less. Explaining why generators have to be synchronized will surely give you a melty.

>>715336410
Observe is the correct word, it's just most people have a misconception about what observing something involves. They think sight is something that emits from their eyes, when their eyes are just a receiver like all other senses.

>>715336425
Whatever, entropy thing is theoretical bs anyway. So schizoposting is quite alright answer as a joke.

>>715336529
observe is not the correct word you pedantic retard, because as you say, most people do not understand what observe actually means

measure is the correct word to use because people are fucking retards and its the word that clarifies it best to them, unlike you're nerdy push up glasses idiocy

>>715336163
I understand that, but they're really looking in the wrong place if subatomic randomness is their pride and joy
>>715336398
"particles" is just a term we use to describe nameable forms of energy. electrons were never a dot in space, and nothing in this universe is truly solid, some energy is just denser than others

>>715333875
The distinction seems pretty thin to me.
I'm not arguing for ether. I'm just saying people shouldn't be so self righteous and mocking towards the ether theory when it bears such a similar resemblance to fields.

>>715336136
They have to make room for the Indians.

>>715336486
>Antimatter can't exist
Antimatter does exist, but given that it's like the other side of the coin for matter, we don't have an explanation for why matter was favored over antimatter in the universe's formation. This is called matter-antimatter asymmetry.

>>715336469
Quantum matter generation events are the current strongest leading theory for the origin of the universe, assuming our universe is part of an infinite 3 dimensional plane and a big freeze is inevitable due to entropy.

>>715336556
Entropy is the only real constant. Our universe is a quantum bubble, but people think of bubbles as something that pops, not something that expands infinitely until it becomes so incoherent that it can never be detected again. It helps that background microwave radiation inherently restricts the kind of minimum temperature fluctuations that can be detected, it's like every new explosion masks the remnants of the last ones.

>>715336498
>Gravity is dialectic acceleration
It's not because electrically inert objects still attract each other in the vacuum of space via gravity. Pills, now.

>>715336232
they shoot you up with poison, which kind of spoils the organs I would think.

>>715336667
Maybe they should try looking in the giant gaps between galaxies for all the missing anti-matter

>>715312819
I have an IQ of 100, you think I can understand theoretical physics?

>>715336598
>electrons were never a dot in space
oh, that's good to know
can you explain how they can also spin?

>>715336371
When you distort your physical form into something that is offensive to aesthetic beauty, you are waging war on my enjoyment of life. Every moment that is ruined by my having to experience your existence is a moment that will never be returned to me; it is a piece of my soul, my overall conception of being alive, that you have stolen with your bullshit. It's only natural that I would defend myself by arguing against the practice.

>>715336469
Probably you say this shit every time then a new big bang happens. By theory of the infinite big bangs after timelapse happens. What a guy, atleast try something new.

>>715336816
Electrons aren't spinning, everything else is.

>>715336618
The mockery is coming from the fact that the aether was disproven long ago and the thread schizo is trying to resurrect it solely to explain his pet theory for why gravity doesn't exist and is just electromagnetism in disguise.

>>715336793
low IQ doesn't necessarily mean a concept will escape you, just that it will take you longer to grasp it. In this case, you'll probably have to sacrifice a large enough portion of your life that it might not be worth it.

>>715336667
The closest thing we have for an explanation for the matter-antimatter issue is various parity violations we see in colliders at absurdly high energy levels. Where some physical processes would NOT turn out the same in a mirror-image universe. And of course the big bang was very, very high energy.

>>715336287
the problem is that the same people making life objectively more miserable for everyone are the same ones offering a "way out" that's convenient for them.

>>715336761electrically inert objects
>the vacuum of space
One must wonder how it's a vacuum with them there in it.

>via gravity.
You are calling this description a force,Yes the mass is attracting mass and the cause is what? You realize this planet has a magnetic field too right? I suppose that isn't saying much since we also don't know how fucking magnets work.

>>715336667
How do you know matter and antimatter aren't equally balanced in the universe?
As far as we can tell antimatter behaves exactly the same as matter. So maybe lots of the stars are antimatter stars. How would you know they aren't?

>>715336371
You niggers force others to use your mentally ill pronouns. Kill yourself.
You spread your degeneracy in tranny parades in front of children and snowballing this corruption. Deception is all you have, that is your only tool. Ontologically evil demons like you do not need any mercy.

The fact that particles act like waves until they interact with something still makes it seem like the universe is a simulation trying to save cpu cycles by simplifying things.

>>715336371
I identify as a 6'4 white rugby jock.
Take that, bigot!

janny should move this thread to /sci/ so the turbonerds there can dunk on our idiocy

>>715336371
>why can't I change it?
You're free to do whatever you want, cut off your limbs, tattoo every inch of your skin black, but you aren't free from critique.

If you do something disgusting and reprehensible, like wearing a dress and acting like a fag, then people should be an asshole to you. Bullying is how society functions, for some reason you think that your "freedom" is the right to police what others can and can't think about you. That's not freedom, that's tyranny, but you're the one in charge so you think it's a good thing.

>>715336746
>Entropy is the only real constant.
Not in the dream.

>>715336952
The gravitational force is provoked by spacetime distortions inherent to all objects with mass, although this isnt even wiki level knowledge at this point. You will not be able to wordweasel your way out of the basic observation that gravity can't be electromagnetic in nature because it still works on electromagnetically inert substances. You cannot magnetize a lump of common plastic. It simply is not chemically possible. It still falls. Your theory is wrong.

>>715331614
What this comes down to are two things, were either measuring things poorly or were interpreting things incorrectly.
The only real way to know either of those things would be to fire the exact same electron over and over, since this is impossible we only have this testament to our ignorance guiding us.

>>715336936
I think they're doing it with genuinely good intent. It's a mercy to offer a defeated enemy a quick death when the only alternative is slavery. They could easily force you to toil forever.

>>715336816
Energy can rotate too y'know

>>715337048
Oh, so you're evil, got it. I mean you're literally defending bullying.

>>715337003
The double slit experiment shows there are no particles or waves. Much more efficient way for the simulation to conserve cpu cycles. It only needs to render information when a conscious observer asks for information. Easy.

>>715337071
In a dream reality, all arguments are worthless and life is a zoo at best. This kind of reductionism is ultimately fruitless and impossible to prove/disprove, and so the dreamstate is analogous to pure faith.

>>715336971
Because the universe is so fucking big, we've actually looked at a surprisingly small amount of it. Nonetheless what we have looked at is very consistent. All we can do is apply our understanding of statistics and the physical processes we do understand to extrapolate about the rest, but they're very educated hypotheses. At least, that's my understanding.

>>715336371
If it only affected you, nobody would give a shit. Publicly castrating yourself, and then compulsing others to tiptoe around your mental illness, that is what everyone hates. You ruin the peace for others for your own selfish, perceived gains when really you're just being hoodwinked by another corporate kike. Your body is a gift from your parents or God, whichever you prefer - to desecrate it is a huge insult.
Unrelated but
I am balding from all the plastics and chemicals in the water and I own it. I'm not going to use some chemical to regrow my hair (mostly because it causes cancer lmao)

>>715311521 (OP)
Reminder, Electrons aren't real. It's all just the same particle that has been traveling into the future and the past at the same time an infinite number of times.

>>715337123
Oh look, Satan himself is calling others evil. Comedy. How about you reply to the other points instead of being a jew

>>715337123
You don't hate bullies, you want to be the bully. This pretty much applies to everything Leftists claim to be against.

>>715337304
You're underestimating logo creation. It sounds like you suck at making logos, so you decide to take your aggression and shortcomings out on others.

>>715337304
>>715337365
>responding to bait with outrage instead of shitposts
Shamefur dispray.

>>715337123
Morality is a sticky concept. All that changes is where you personally draw the line. People who pretend they're women shouldn't be bullied? Okay, let's keep going.

What about people who don't think men can be women? What about people who fuck animals? What about people who fuck corpses? What about schizophrenics who believe their mom is satan because the voices in their head say she is?

Who is okay to bully, in your book? You're without sin, right?

>>715337365
>you're being a bully for stopping my bullying
>also bullying is good and how society functions and we should bully more, but you're the bully, not me
Jesus christ.

>>715337467
You're dumb as shit, huh? If your argument is that bullying is intrinsically evil, why is it okay when you do it under the guise of "stopping bullying"?

>>715337526
>you have to tolerate my intolerance or you're intolerant
Still not falling for it.

>>715337034
This thread is made 2 times a week by frog posters on /sci/ and the only difference is the posts cite more quantiites and numbers like those explain the cause or something.
>>715337112
The gravitational force is provoked by spacetime distortions inherent to all objects with mass.
How convenient, it's just inherent like Jesus's unconditional fucking love isn't it?

>The gravitational force is provoked by spacetime distortions inherent to all objects with mass, although this isnt even wiki level knowledge at this point. You will not be able to wordweasel your way out of the basic observation that gravity can't be electromagnetic in nature because it still works on electromagnetically inert substances.
Which is why I said "dielectric acceleration" which even suits your definitions because that's "accelerating charged particles using electric fields generated within or near dielectric materials". We are living on one big electric field, several in fact, we have the moon sun. Even the planet itself is a halbach array of polarized technonic plates from when the poles switch. Is any of this accounted or do you just cite a number as a gravitational constant and attribute the observation of mutually accelerating objects towards one another as a completely seperate force?

>You cannot magnetize a lump of common plastic
You are conflating magnets with magnetism/electromagnetism. Everything reacts to a magnetic field. Just because it doesn't work or react the same as "colbalt iron and nickle" doesn't mean shit. They use fucking copper and aluminum for power transmission you idiot. The mix of dia/para/ferro magnetic materials in the planet and electromagnetism is undoubtedly your "gravity".

>>715337526
>if you think war is bad that means you can't fight back if someone attacks you

>>715337569
>How convenient, it's just inherent like Jesus's unconditional fucking love isn't it?
Where the fuck did this come from?

>>715337565
>tolerate my intolerance
Oh man, you got groomed really hard, huh?

>>715337583
Do you not know what pacifism means? We're not talking about war, we're talking about bullying. If bullying is wrong, why is it permissible when you do it?

>>715337569
Lmao it doesn't matter what's generating the electromagnetic field, stupid. An electrically inert object like a rubber band will sit there doing fuckall in the strongest electromagnetic fields you could ever generate because they simply do not interact with it. No, not everything is required to interact with an EM field, that's literally how insulators exist. Earth's magnetic field pulls objects to its poles not towards the core. You are wrong on at least 3 different layers here. You LITERALLY have no clue.

>>715331509
Cute

>>715323380
There are some things we kind of understand and know we will understand giving enough time, but quantum is the first big thing that even experts say they will never understand.
In our "reality" things are or are not, but on a quantum level, things are both, until observered.
A pc is 1 or 0, a quantum computer is both at the same time, which doesnt make any sense to us. The top guy on google even wrote a blog post about it and it reads like the theories of a madman, where a high level google employee talks how he thinks his computer is connected to other computers in other dimensions and he's not some kind of internet schyzo.
Some even believe that you as a person have quantum imortality, since you are the constant observer, there are many timelines where you die, but since you are observing, you will never experience it. At each time you are and you are not. And again, sounds insane, but there's kind of proof now.
Some think it proofs that the universe is never ending, because as long as we can look further, it will just be there, because we see it.

Now for a more grounded look:
Cpu's have internals that are becoming smaller and smaller, but we hit a problem now at the quantum level. We make routes for electrons to make with blockages where they cant pass through, but we are now on a quantum level and that electron just goes through the wall. The wall has no meaning at that level, it doesnt respect our rules of physics.

But to qoute a guy in the field "if a person says he understands quantum physics, he doesnt understand quantum physics"

>>715337809
>i-it's not like I wanted to process these algorithms anyway, b-baka!

>>715337662
>oh my god stop bullying me
>all I did was try to make the dorky kid kill himself and now you're bullying me with detention
>how come he gets to bully me by being a thing I don't like, but I can't bully him back by assaulting him?
>this is so unfair
>I'm being so bullied right now

Reminder that all quantum and relativistic theory is through observation, experimentation, and catalog within an incrementally fractional expanse of time (humanity's time and experience here) which itself is an illusion. Therefore, the perceived rigidity of all theorems are illusion as well beyond the bounds of our simplistic understanding. In other words, don't get caught up in what general concensus is to the point you never reconsider ideas overall or think critically how a given mechanism may not be as it seems.

>>715337935
>you aren't allowed to hate trannies!
>of course I'm allowed to hate people who hate trannies!
I would ask how you can't see the dichotomy here, but after your indoctrination I don't think you're capable of introspection, you're just a slave to the cause.

If you're allowed to get upset over anti-tranny arguments, then other people are allowed to get upset over tranny arguments. It's basic logic, you have defeated your own argument, which is that you should be free from critique for your choices. If you practiced what you preached, you wouldn't be here.

So, we're back to square one. I can call you a tranny freak, and you can get mad about it. What a wonderful world. I only hope this freedom can last forever.

>>715337634
>inherent to all objects with mass
The first sin of mass is to be attracted to another mass. Even Newton explained the problems with believing this.

>An electrically inert object like a rubber band will sit there doing fuckall in the strongest electromagnetic fields you could ever generate because they simply do not interact with it.
It is made of the fields you speak of.

>No, not everything is required to interact with an EM field,
Yes it is! The building blocks, the "particles" are composed of them!

>that's literally how insulators exist
The ideal insulator is a vacuum which doesn't exist.

>>715337876
>things are both, until observered
People need to remember that this is just one of many possible interpretations of quantum mechanics. It is not a known fact.
In the copenhagen interpretation quantum wave functions are collapsed by observation.
In the many worlds interpretation all possible outcomes of the wave exist in parallel realities, but you can only observe the one you're in.

>>715337986
We didn't understand shit about how light actually worked until the photon was discovered which upended our entire understanding of physics. That discovery was I believe around 1890, it's not surprising there's a lot of further things we don't currently understand yet.