>Game is a hate letter to the fans

can't wait for 1.0

PoE is a turd.

>>715434693
This. After playing Mercenaries, I have to say it's a shit game.

Thank you GGG, this shit game finally got me out of the maze

I love PoE2 so much. For some reason, I can't get into Diablo IV which I got for free on PS5 some days ago. I think the story in Diablo is more engaging but the combat is so easy my minions take care of everything. Even in one of the beginnig bosses of PoE2 (the mausoleum boss) I was struggling as a monk.

eventually they'll turn it into another zoomfest like PoE1. You can already see them caving on most of their pre-beta ideas

>>715436197
>eventually they'll turn it into another zoomfest like PoE1.
You mean when people press one button and destroy everything in PoE1? I prefer PoE2 where I have to use combos of abilities and actually sort of think, I also like having to dodge, that's nice

>>715434056 (OP)
I think it is more that they made it like ruthless, thinking that people would want ruthless if it was forced upon them. They can kinda get away with saying
>it is just early access
>dont look at it being fully playable with all the systems in and just a few classes/weapons/acts not being available.
Honestly, no one would've had an issue with the early access if it wasn't a 30 dollar exercise in torture. If it was free out the gate at least you could say
>hey its a free game cut them some slack
NO slack will be given to these jews.

>>715435371
Are you a Eurobro? I had fun aside from 1 instance crash losing me a raw exalted orb that dropped. Mercenaries need to go core, it's something that should have been in the game since forever ago for parity with Diablo 2.

>>715434056 (OP)
They really fucked themselves
>put A Team on making this turd
>for some reason it became rollsop
>underwhelming, most of the classes and skills missing and missed their roadmap for 1.0 in 6 months misserably
>focus most of the work on the campaign, neglecting the end game which most people play these games for
>everyone keeps playing PoE1 anyway

>A Team now missing from PoE1, people notice a drop in the quality of content
>GGG moves A Team back to PoE1 to keep their players happy
>POE2 now even more dead in the water

>>715434056 (OP)
>mock D4
>exactly do they mocked D4 or

>>715436402
No, I just hadn't played since Ritual. The game is so goddamn bloated now and the one league I liked, Betrayal, is wrote off. I got my 36/40 in a few weeks and dipped with 400div in stash

>>715436663
>>for some reason it became rollsop
As is every other game nowadays. This always happens, everyone thinks they are the only one with the brilliant idea of copying [popular game]. Little do they know, every single other company is busy doing the exact same thing at the same time, then they all release in quick succession and people get tired of it very fast, even if they liked the original [popular game].

>>715436663
Clickslop is worse than rollslop, that's why they went for rollslop

>>715434056 (OP)
They really need to decide which game they want to make. A fast paced ARPG like Path of Exile 1 or something more souls-inspired like No Rest For the Wicked. Seems like they're trying to do both and it fucking sucks. It's funny to me that they spent all that time making animations for attacks and then everyone plays some one button whirlwind slash build where the character looks like it's desyncing all the time because the animations can't keep up with fast attack rate or whatever. In PoE1 this typically only happens if you have high count of soul eater stacks and/or manage to get both echo and adrenaline shrine.

ARPGs are a dead genre that peaked with Diablo II.

There is no reason to go further.

>>715437014
>everyone plays some one button whirlwind slash build
because GGG always makes it so there are 2-3 completely overpowered zoomy map clearing builds and everything else is masochism to play

>>715436774
Did you have a stroke?

>>715436774
>conditionals everywhere
>kiss/curse abuse
>all the chucklefucks clapped
I just wanted what was shown at Exilecon 1, not this horseshit. Gems are probably my biggest let down, supports being set it and forget it plus all the above BS, sucks ass.
>>715437113
It's starting to feel that way, and everyone keeps trying to reinvent the wheel or pretend they're smarter than the 25 year gold standard.

>>715437113
The ability to play d2 with a controller would be the peak.

>>715437440
If you literally just wanna play Diablo 2, you can go back and do that at any time. It's not going anywhere. I respect companies that try and experiment with new things, as long as they have the humbleness to accept when an experiment didn't work out and go back to the drawing board.
>>715437590
You can in the remaster. It's fun.

>>715437709
>paying for modern blizzard games
NO

>>715437590
>>715437791
the latest project diablo patch or whatever had controller support.

>>715437791
Pirate it, retard.

>>715434056 (OP)
im ready for 0.3 are you?

>>715439231
Need to finish my poop1 challenges, but I haven't logged into the game in over a week.
Hope we get Druid or Templar, it's retarded PoE 2 doesn't have a str/int class added yet.

>>715439448
pretty much the same feeling about poe2, but i am excited about it nevertheless

can anyone explain why poe2 feels better than diablo 4? i got diablo for free on ps5 some days ago but poe2 just feels better

>>715434056 (OP)
I regret giving them money, but the past is the past, I will not be funding them any further.

>>715434056 (OP)
Poop Of Excrement II

>>715439612
because ggg are better devs simple answer

>>715439612
>>715439801
2 rupees have been deposited in your bank account saar

How's the poe1 league anyway? I haven't played poe since settlers launched because I am too busy with real life but am curious.

>>715434056 (OP)
holy fuck. what is this? that's an insane level of bleed.

>>715440050
It's good. Play a lightning build, slap a Doryani's with -lightning resist rings on your merc and blast. Playing Wretched Defilers was pretty fucking fun. Except Tier 17s is suffering. I think it is for most builds so I just didn't fucking do them aside from once for the scarab slot.

>>715440020
You prefer Diablo 4? Maybe I just need to play it more

>>715440101
The game is missing story, gameplay loop, and has a bad taste of PoE1 autist screaming about the differences in the game.

You can't keep new players because they are slow on the roll out of any content with story.
They can't keep the old heads because it's not ht same game they played for years.

And they won't stop FUCKING updating the game with PoE1 COSMETICS like this is a good thing.

>>715437113
diablo 2 mods specifically, but yes

>>715440681
>takes 4 months to patch new gameplay content
>small patch to add new skins to the mtx shop
Yea.....

>>715440101
poe1's new league is out dummy everyone jumped over to it until 0.3

>>715434056 (OP)
>shitty atlas system with towers is here to stay
Doubling down on things everyone hates is GGG specialty. Someone tell them they don’t have enough good will for this game and unlike archnemesis people wont eat slop because they spent years on the game

>>715439448
No new class for 0.3

>>715436275
sort-of-thinking in this cases is just fucking misery. there is zoom zoom cookie clicker power fantasy and there are actually good games. usually the middle ground is the best way, in this case its fucking dogshit. cookie clicker with needless extra steps. also the game is super restrictive with its dogshit weapon based skill system.

>>715437003
but its clickrollslop with the worst of both worlds

>>715434056 (OP)
I like this game but don’t have the tism to keep redoing the campaign

>>715434056 (OP)
I thought that it was going to get released 6 months after EA that is now. Has it been delayed?

>>715440329
You just font roll t17s properly, if you exclude all the shit mods you get a comfy gameplay.
I have
>no reflect
>no drowning orbs
>no volatile cores
>no shaperc circles
>no searing exarch burning ground
>no sirus burning ground
>no petrification statues
>no less defences
>no dont deal damage for 3 seconds ever 10 seconds
And it is still rather easy to roll a map with 140 quant 80+ rarity 150+ more currency for abyss strat

>>715441716
Why would you think this?

>>715436197
all these arpgs trend toward that, so it's pretty clear that's what the player base wants.

>>715441559
I haven't played PoE2 yet (not paying money, I'll play it when it's 1.0 and free) but part of the problem here, I would guess, is the "seasonal" idea behind PoE. It's one thing for a game to be ball-bustingly hard or tedious, then you beat it and it's over, you feel accomplished, then never touch it again, satisfied with yourself for your mastery. But PoE asks you to regularly come back and do it again, every 3/4 months or whatever. That almost demands that the game be sort of mindless and cookie clickerish to play most of the time. Otherwise it will just be exhausting. Nobody wants to do sisyphean feats every 3 months in a videogame. At the very least it needs to be a brand new videogame not the same one I already played, but with a minor update.
>>715441791
That's a lot of mods to roll off. That seems like it would take a while and take a lot of chaos orbs.

>>715441840
Didn't they say that they were expecting EA to last 6 months?

>>715440050
mercs are fun, t16.5 memory maps are fun, new bosses are fun with good rewards, fun league reminds me of everything wrong with poe2, specifically atlas, towers, no scarabs, endgame mapping, no 1 skill build diversity scailing,rough league start with gearing being random as fuck, there is a lot of issues

>>715442108
You get better at the game though over time. I can do the current PoE 2 campaign deathless in like 1/4th the time it took me on my first playthrough.
The only "sisyphean feat" will be from brand new content added and bosses, which is perfectly fine.

>>715442221
They always said minimum 6 months.

>>715434056 (OP)
Which should no have surprised anyone.
Every season and patch i PoE1 is a hate letter to their players with the worst massive slap being 3.15.

>>715441716
Pretty sure it was 1 year

>>715434056 (OP)
the current patches are so terrible it actually got me to try out last epoch. Great character builder and loot /crafting system in that game.

>>715442341
I heard 0.2 was a huge nerf patch though so even if people got better at the game there was a decent chance of taking the same time or even more time through the campaign this time around. Also, doing the same content over and over again and getting slightly faster each time is literally speedrunning which has niche appeal. If your game is just a speedrunning sim that resets every 3 months you are not going to have a very big audience.

>>715434056 (OP)
The game is fine. Even more than fine, its a great (unfinished) game.
The problem is the audience. Fans nowadays are too autistic. A lot of the hate for this game is just because the game "is not what it was supposed to be" and for some reasons, it had "fans" before it even came out.
How demorilizing must it be for the devs, to create a new game and just getting hate because of how different it is from a formula established 20 years ago that is followed like a mantra.
Lets create a dark fantasy rpg! NO, no fantasy. Only grinding! only building at end game! game cant be hard, ever!!!!

>>715437113
>Diablo II
ironically d2 is the reason why arpg's all suck these days
everyone is trying to recreate it and the entire genre has been stuck in the mud for two decades

>>715437113
And Diablo 2 is not even that good.
>pointlessly huge areas
>act 3 jungle
>immunes
>endgame runeword farming
>a good number of skills still suck ass in Hell
>every endgame build is skipping the game by teleporting

>>715442628
Fighting games have the same issue with everyone always trying to copy sf2, or rather their corrupted memories of playing it badly as kid.

>>715442616
>Fans nowadays are too autistic.
>nowadays
for poe this was always

>>715443048
As someone that has only played poe2 and that sometimes visits the poe general threads, it seems like people just minmax the hell out of the first game and kill everything on the screen in one hit, makes me happy that poe2 is not like that lol

>>715442616
The game is shit because it blatantly repeats every single mistake poe 1 made(including the ones that were already fixed in poe 1) while not fixing the issues it has promised to fix. You still have unplayable melee, you still have 0 visual clarity, you still have click buffs and spam 1 spell gameplay, you still have hardcore gameplay forced on you in softcore, you AGAIN have the fucking IIQ on gear, you AGAIN have fuckton of bloat uniques and trash stats, you AGAIN defences being pretty much fucking useless, so why play poo2 when poe 1 is right there

Does armor work yet?
>>715442616
Lmao

>>715434056 (OP)
killing floor 2 and 3
dark souls 3

>>715443123
>not like that
>0.1 spark
>0.2 amazon
And there will be a screan clearing build in 0.3 or nobody will play

>>715442679
>pointlessly huge areas
Can't really agree there, except to say that act 3 is indeed a slog. Rest of the game is mostly fine. For the time it was groundbreaking. The thing about Hell is that it's literally your 3rd loop through the same content. You've already seen everything. You can just stop playing at that point, you've beaten the game already (twice).

>>715443123
its more fun than you think but im happy also that the 2 games are different, poe2 just needs to balance a lot of things so taking longer to kill feels just as fun and rewarding, thats another problem they have they cut loot and also made everything take longer to kill for a playerbase that kills things instantly and has loot explosions that is so big it breaks the game

0.3 is going to be very interesting very indeed.

>>715436924
Trends are generally easier to notice when they're done. Like the beanie baby craze, or jorts.

>>715434056 (OP)
BIG SHIT

im still playing poe2 because wasd feels so much better than clicking around. i cant go back to clicking trillion times an hour that shit hurt my hand

>>715436663
>>715437003
>>715441620
>rolling
This is why you aren't enjoying the game, your playing it wrong, you shouldn't be rolling when you should be pausing anon....

>>715443298
>0.3 is going to be very interesting very indeed.
0.3 update in poe2?
>>715443430
I use a controller, honestly feels amazing but you know the skill on mercenary that drops ice stuff on the ground and it explodes when people walk on it? That's busted on controller, since you aim on the enemies automatically, so yeah that skill just does not work

>>715443523
controller feels good but moving items around with the sticks seems clunky

>>715443459
This guy died to normal elder btww

>>715440101
Playercounts only matter in the first month retard

>hurr durr why did people drop this early access game after only 300 hours

This is you fag lips

>>715443459
lmao game looking good

>>715443708
some men miss a roll and some men miss a pause anon, we can't all be the flash

>>715443523
>0.3 update in poe2?
yeah there was a interview recently with jonathan he did it in china he spoke about a lot of shit, seems act 456 might be coming, huge rework to skills specifically scailing 1 button builds for endgame, a bunch of shit

>>715436197
It already is. Watch any high level map run and it's just running full speed spamming one attack to kill everything.

>>715443430
PoE2 mechanically feels better than any other ARPG. I played mainly with crossbows and with WASD its bascially a twin stick shooter with depth of customisation. But there are issues with design choices like one-shotting + dodgeslop and various things like most of the skills being inferior to one or two in each weapon / class, imbalances with defences, etc etc we all know the problems and the biggest issue is that its not being sorted fast enough to maintain interest because they decided to split their attention and also are possibly retarded and incompetent. Its a shame because I want what poe2 "could" be but probably won't be at least for a very long time.

>>715443459
He rolls multiple times in that webm. I've watched him play it, he attacks and rolls away repeatedly because he usually insists on using armor and will get one-shot by white mobs

>>715443895
Link?

>>715436197
Poe2 is already that
You only combo bosses with some builds, which poe1 also does

>>715444345
He should be able to use armor. A heavy armored warrior should be a tank, the casters in dresses should be the glass cannon.

>>715444437
https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1lvfv3w/long_summary_of_the_chinese_interview_with/

How's the minion builds? I only like minion builds and righteous fire

>>715444613
>armor
Kek. The only good defence is ES. The only VIABLE defence is killing everything before you even know it is there

>>715444752
I know, I'm saying thats a flaw and one of the resons why it sucks

>>715434056 (OP)
If I had the time and editing skills I could make an hour+ long video about every single little problem with PoE2. There are so many it is hard to start, but I think it can be quickly summarized as:
>Developers start making the game with one type of gameplay in mind. In a last minute effort to cobble together an endgame they copy from their first game which plays totally different. The two gameplay types clash so hard that the game becomes a mess.
Warrior is straight up made for what PoE2 was supposed to be. Meanwhile Huntress is made for what PoE2 became when it basically became PoE1 with rolling. Built in delays on every attack vs 100% movement speed while throwing spears that clear entire screens.

>>715434056 (OP)
DOGSHIT DED GAME
FUCK YOU JONATHAN

whats the controvery with this game?

>>715434056 (OP)
Call me when they fix DD.

>>715444652
>>715443895
>Possibly no druid in 0.3
If that is the case can they please just announce 1.0 won't be until the end of 2026?

>>715445495
There is no real controversy that drama farming idiots can make videos about. People are just unhappy with the state of the game. It is Early Access, yet GGG are treating the game like PoE1. What I mean by that is instead of doing regular balance and content updates to test things out, they're releasing them every 4 months (like a Path of Exile 1 league). This is just leading to issues because it feels like nowhere near enough testing is getting done and things are very stale. The game lacks endgame content as what is in the game was (by their own admission) cobbled together in a few months.

It is not really some mega problem that /v/ wants to make it out to be. It is just an issue of them needing to actually treat the early access game like it is early access. They tried it at the start, but people went ballistic when they essentially killed a few popular builds within a week span with multiple sweeping balance changes. So the community is definitely partially to blame as they treated it like a PoE1 league too.

>>715445643
>upgrade unpopular skills
>make numbers go bigger
>this takes so long for them to do they have to drop adding a new class

>>715445495
devs wanted to slow the gameplay down and this makes the lootbrains very angry

I think act4-6 will be summer 2027.
Friend thinks it will be spring 2026.
Discuss

>>715445980
>Druid is "basically done but just needs animation work cause of WASD"
>Didn't release with huntress
>May not even come in 0.3
>They're promising swords "at 1.0 maybe before"
So no duelist until later, no druid in 0.3 potentially, what the fuck is going on? This game will never get finished.

>>715445994
i think is this week. and if im wrong i will throw a bitch fit everywhere i can

>>715445992
You can't say you want to slow the game down and have meaningful combat and combos, and then add shit like breach and delirium that throws swarms of enemies at you, and bosses that will one-shot you unless you can kill them faster than they can do anything. It doesn't compute. Like someone else said, its like two different styles badly jammed into one.

>Chris leaves
>everything goes to shit

>>715446282
Crazy how that got swept under the rug
>Chris leaves in 2023
>People find out cause of tax filings (kind of weird, but okay)
>They deny that Chris left, just saying it was an accounting error (straight up lie)
>Chris then actually leaves
>No word from GGG, no goodbye or farewell message even though he was the face of the company for like 12 years
>Randomly pops up in a youtube video to admit that he is making a competitor to PoE focused around being like vanilla D2
>GGG has still never addressed Chris leaving in anyway
It is so strange. This would be like if you learned Miyamoto left Nintendo and they never even said anything. The guy WAS GGG. He not only founded it, but served as its main ambassador and the face of the game for its lifespan.

>>715446465
China overlords dont allow it to be public

>>715446465
obviously there is bad blood. must have been a huge internal fight

>PoE2 comes out
>Get like 10 trillion players
>The last few people clinging to PoE1 whine when the devs announce they moving most support to PoE2 logically
>The devs for some reason do a 180 and start pumping out more things for PoE1 while letting PoE2 rot
>At this rate it wont be released for another 2 years when they claimed it would be 1 year last year

>>715443459
>Yeah, I'm pretty good at rythm games, why do you ask

>>715442818
this is just not true what so ever, you sound like you only play capcom games

>>715445994
Its weird because the devs just said they were removing cruel "earlier than you think" but theres no way 4-6 are done. But how can they remove cruel without it?

>>715446773
these niggas on drugs

Troonathan lied. Poe died.

>>715446667
The "Bad Blood" is between Chris and the PoE Community.
Why do you think you deserve a goodbye after abusing him at every opportunity for years on end?
Now you're repeating the same shit with Jonathan, when he inevitably leaves (He's a millionaire working by choice and not necessity) and is replaced with Tencent Xing PingPong some faceless slaryman who only communicates to the western audience with AI text to speech, you will be crying "Man I miss Jonathan, we had no idea how good we had it waaah".
Fucking niggerbrained retards with zero foresight or introspection.

>>715446465
Chris himself said it was a filing error and it was corrected, keep spreading misinfo tho you miserable troon.

>no swords till 1.0

that means duelist will be the very last class they implement, fuck GGG, wont touch PoE2 till they add him.

>>715443459
>yes I'm a HC player, how can you tell

What I hate most about PoE2 players is that when I ask what class to choose they go "uh actually everything can be everything so it doesnt matter" well not everyone is autistic like that and i just wanted some feedback on cool classes

it just feels like shit, dont even care about roll or the slower game overall but my character just feel miserable, really, making your character grow stronger is part of the fun, people were being surrounded and raped by trash mobs because your char simply wont do any damage.
and early on if you decide to go blind and pick a bad skill you might aswell redo the character.

>>715447324
They fucked themselves making the skill sweapon-locked, like mace skills / staff skills etc, with a class that they are "meant for". So releasing swords is not as simple as just adding them, they have to also add all the sword skills and the sword guy. But even so, what the fuck have they been doing, it will have been 5 months since last major update when 0.3 drops.

>>715447647
nobody say that, people would say that in early early PoE1, now with ascendency no sane person would say bullshit like that.

>>715447647
>>715447826

It is true though, any class can use any weapon. The weapon is kind of the class. There are specific skills for each weapon, so rather than making a warrior, you are making a hammer guy. But a ranger can use a hammer and use all the hammer skills if you felt like it. It might not be optimal but you can do that. Its not quite as flexible as 1, but I like trying to make off-brand characters.

>>715447234
>Why do you think you deserve a goodbye after abusing him at every opportunity for years on end?
Don't make Chris some crystal clear god because the brought it on themselves
>complete lack of understanding why people like/dislike things in their game
>tone deaf responses to issues
>rolling out QoL only when they fuck up so bad that they have to "give" something to players.
>shit balance, nerfing already dogshit archetypes while leaving most op shit fly
>taking more and more power from skill tree into convoluted, even more drop-rate abysmal items
Still remember his retarded manifestos and tug-of-line with devs to put shards drops in stacks because he got hard on from "friction".
Community wanted the game to go into different direction, best example of that was ruthless, his pet project that nearly no one gave a shit

>>715447963
The Gem ascendancy (mercenary crossbow class) with the quarter staff that scales off all stats was pretty good last time I played

I can't get mercenary to work no matter what, I just can't defeat the count but on other classes i do it on first try. It's not like im doing anything different either

>>715448120
but shit just keep getting worse and worse, the worse in the past is not so bad compared to the current shit.
PoE2 had like half of the entire server using Lightining Spear.

I think they've given up on the vision. They didn't let Lightning Spear through unintentionally. The stats are pretty overwhelming here, the players want one button builds. They'll probably have even more one button builds in 0.3.

>>715434056 (OP)

Wake me up when they release blades - be it swords, daggers or whatever.

>>715444613
uh, sorry incel, this is POE2, the Warrior's armor stat means he is in fact, the glass stick, and the Energy Shield stat means the casters are infact, the Tank Cannon.

they deal more damage from a distance, and have more survivability.

as intended.

>>715448275
If you're using crossbow, a lot of the skills genuinely suck. Spamming galvanic sharts on crowds and rapid shot for single target is viable for campaign progress.

I just want an offline single player poe1 client and the rest can suck my patheticly tiny cock

>>715445495
devs wanted to make the game very different and slower but panicked at the player reaction and sped some things up, making things feel disjointed

>>715445576
you had years of dominating every patch bitch

>>715448402
Nah they're just retards. They nerfed spark in the same update, and then introduced another similarly overpowered build. They aren't testing anything, they are just throwing numbers at a wall and seeing what happens. The issue is they aren't addressing the results inbetween major patches, because people cried when their OP builds got destroyed early on.

literally buff movement speed by 100% and PoE2 is fixed

>>715449371
but muh strategic manoeuvering

>>715446465
A simple but effective way to keep all the blame on chris while doing the same thing. Everyone in GGG hates poe 1, they hate it with passion, not only because the playerbase will immediately crash out if they start pushing the ruthless shit into their game, but also because poe 1 will actively kill poe 2 playerbase by being a better game. They already lost more than half of poe 2 playerbase 0.1->0.2. They are going to lose more, all the meanwhile poe 1 just pulled 100k people on a random shitty event and then pulled average numbers on a meh league. Seriously, the only actually new mechanics Mercenaries added is mercenaries, everything else was already present in the game before. Chris used to take the blame and now this whole spectacle with him being “quietly let go” is to make an image that he was the one who actually forced all the shit, and roblox with roberts are good guys

>>715446773
>poe 2 league over league retention is disaster
>poe 1 league over league retention is perfect as always
And that’s the reason poo2 will fucking die lol. Oh and btw, no, nobody “left poo2 to rot”, although it has been stinking from the start, poo 2 got 0.1, 0.2 with 0.3 scheduled and they will release 0.4 if not on the anniversary then soon after. That is a more frequent release schedule that poe 1 had for years now and it is certainly way more tight than last year for poe where 1 fucking league was released. The only reason your game is bleeding players is because its shot. In fact it is so shit even a faggot as stupid as roberts understands that they need actual game to run to not go bankrupt

>>715450387
>>715449650
>poe 1 league over league retention is perfect as always
Why are you disingenuous? Over 90% of poe1 players leave the game after a few weeks after a league, poe1 has AWFUL retention, some of the worst in the industry
PoE2 has way more players than PoE1 despite being in early access and having close to no content.

>>715439231
I picked up POE2 and went back to POE1 for this set, took about a month to get. I also got a mirror drop while farming which helped a lot

>>715450512
League over league you stupid illiterate faggot. The number of people who come to play poe 1 when the new league is released has only been increasing over the years. Poo 2 just shat itself. It want able to retain EVEN A HALF of 0.1 players in 0.2. And its only going to get more brutal in 0.3. You can already prepare for ~100k CCU on day 1

>>715450993
Nooo way anon!? People are not playing a unfinished game anymore that has no content after trying it out!?
And what's funny about this is that they still have way more players than Path of Shit 1 that has countless of content and shit added to it.

And that's ignoring the fact most of the poe1 players are chinks and bots.

Elon Musk latched onto it, of course it's shit.

>>715450993
In order for them to be worried, PoE2 would have to do worse than PoE1 is doing right now, which is not true. You might have a point if that is the case on 0.3.

>>715434056 (OP)
>2023
>Game looks cool as fuck, everything i wanted - basically PoE1 without 13 years of bullshit + great graphics + some new fun additions
>2024
>Game is shaping up to be just right on track. COOL SPECTRE!
>Release day
>Everything in the game is unrewarding and punishing for no reason (other than to hate players); leveling and endgame are garbage, itemization is shit, skills are unbalanced and build diversity is inexistant
>"Its fine, devs will do daily and weekly upda..."
>Devs went on month long vacation with the whole office literally week or two after release.
>Forums, reddit, 4chan are all spamming with feedback, hatred and disappointment
>February 2025, Developer Update and Interview. Surely they cooked some good shit. I mean - 1000 pages of the unhappy feedback on the official forums.
>Troonathan Rogers and Marky Mark are smiling and laughing at the questions
>Oh-hoh, they dont know about Bleed problem
>"Warriors are weak? Ha-ha, we will look into it".
>Fuck, devs dont know fucking anything and actually try to debate the complaints!
>April. 0.2. Patch is coming.
>Its garbage. Somehow leveling and endgame are even worse. So is build diversity because everything was nerfed.
>Lightning Spear (single skill) is played by 50% of the playerbase. HALF of the playerbase plays just one skill out hundreds!
>...
>We are here now.
>p.s. there were PoE1 news too.

What went wrong???

>PoE1 is f2p played 99% by bots and chinks
>PoE2 is fully priced and has 3 times more players than poe1
>PoE1 chinks try and argue poe2 is dead and poe1 is alive
??????

>>715451290
>Spectre were released with only 2 mobs being good.

Reminder when you talk to poefags this is what they consider good gameplay

>>715434056 (OP)
I lasted one week and will never return unless they redo the shit tier campaign

>>715443459
that is the most retarded gameplay clip I have ever seen.
Someone shoots this white nigger and put him out of his misery.

>>715451290
It went from
>poe 1 remade with love and lessons we learned trough the last decade
To
>we made ruthless into a standalone game and fuck you

>>715451662
The lesson was you need friction for gameplay to be meaningful.

>>715451121
>Nooo way anon!? People are not playing a unfinished game anymore that has no content after trying it out!?
Cope all you want, these are facts. Poe 2 has a better release schedule than poe 1 ever had and it bleeds player like crazy league over league
>And what's funny about this is that they still have way more players than Path of Shit 1 that has countless of content and shit added to it.
And it cant retain them. Even with new class and weapon type(do show something even remotely close in last 4 years of poe1) it still lost half of the players and 0.3 will have neither. The game is dying before release.

>>715451662
>we made ruthless into a standalone game and fuck you
and thats why it's actually good. But retarded PoE1 crybabies will get it nerfed into the same zoom-zoom slop. It's already happening

>>715451849
PoE1 has even WORSE player retention, despite being f2p chinkbot game. Why are you even trying to use this argument?
>>715450512

>>715451849
>0.3 will have neither.
you POE1 die-hard faggots are so easy to spot kek
any other insight, Nostroondamus?

beyond the nitty gritty of balance fuck ups, its VERY SIMPLE WHAT HAPPENED.

they want it to be Souls-D2, and that simply doesn't fucking jive.

D2 has a VERY specific difficulty curve, where you can fuck around in the first Difficulty, you have to start getting serious in Nightmare, and Hell is for your complete build and game understanding.

they want you to play like you started Hell in act 1, in POE2, there has to be a "fuck around" stage of the game, and it doesn't exist, then by Cruel Act 3, and Endgame, enemies are generally touch of death, which is retarded.

>>715436197
>>715443896
Being honest, how would you show power level difference between acts and far endgame?

>>715444696
Gutted, don't bother

>>715452130
I'm not saying that making it a zoomfest is wrong. But they were wrong to try something different

>>715452075
What exactly is wrong with the second game in a series expecting you to know what you're doing? And things are touch of death because you're dumb and complain about dying when all your points are in damage.

>>715451929
League start is the only thing that matters from a financial standpoint because that's when everyone buys supporter packs, Jonathan and Chris have talked about it on stream. PoE 1 players come back every league and if GGG can't make that happen for PoE 2 they're going to keep changing things until it works.

>>715452354
all the defensive options in the game are retarded, the best defense is screen clearing rube goldberg machines.

and D2 didn't do this, and was, THE SECOND GAME IN THE SERIES.

>>715451929
I know you are illiterate stupid faggot, so try learning what X over X means. And no, po1 does not have “worse” league over league retention. It fucking rapes poe 2
>>715452031
They said on the stream few days ago that there wont be new class because they are focusing on fixes retard

>>715452646
>best defense is thing that is getting me killed occasionally
>it's also mutually exclusive with actual defenses apparently

>>715452810
defenses don't work, armor has an inverse system, where the bigger the hit, the less it does, meaning a big hit, hits like you have none.

ES is just blue health, all of it isn't very useful defensively, at best you get another hit from something, and you lose out on offense.

evasion is the biggest joke, it has so many "on tuesday" exceptions and clauses for it to work, and even then, you are getting a "yes/no" percentage, and the second the answer is "no" you obliterate.

>>715452646
All the defensive options are retarded because dodge roll exists. "bro just dodge the guaranteed one-shot mechanic". Which goes against what an APRG of this kind should be like, you should be able to focus defensively and it actually matter more than it does. Also some options are more retarded than others. You can actually survive things with a cloth-based defence more than with a heavy metal armor based defence. Its ass-backwards. Muh layers of defence, btw we took all the health away from the tree but you can get humongous blue health instead, just path all the way round the tree to the top right every time and make a warrior in a dress

>>715440101
New to arpgs zoom zoom?

>>715451290
>warrior weak
Lmao. Get good.

I actually enjoyed the game at launch playing a minion build. It was my first ARPG so I wasn't sure what to expect.

Then lategame came and it was literally
>friends join
>blow up entire screen in 0.1s
>pick up whatever loot makes it through the loot filter
>repeat

Meanwhile the minion builds can't blow up entire screens that fast and require a specific stat (Spirit) on gear that is already uncommon making grinding even more tedious and pointless. Considering the updates since then I suppose blowing up the entire screen in 0.1s over and over for marginal loot drops is the way the "game" is meant to be played so I guess that's that.

Personally I would enjoy things better if minion HP and Rarity were massively increased, but I guess the dopamine rush gambling addict players wouldn't want that.

>>715453005
So what rank are you on the Hardcore ladder? I imagine you're not placed on either of them.

You have the set? Don't you anon?

>>715453302
Warrior isn't weak, he's paper, he does amazing damage if he survives being swarmed.

>>715453441
>poe 1 version
gross

>>715453360
Bait used to be believable

>>715453348
Thats kind of the issue overall. The campaign you can see the "vision", you can get through it with some stuff that just doesn't work in the endgame, which is like a different game tacked on to give people something to do beyond the campaign, it wasn't thought out well I don't think.

>>715453348
>Personally I would enjoy things better if minion HP and Rarity were massively increased, but I guess the dopamine rush gambling addict players wouldn't want that.
Since 0.1 they have buffed the drops pretty extensively.

the arpg fantasy is about become a god that explodes screens and other gods. After that you move on to diffrent things until next time.

>>715453853
nigga that guy's retarded, drop rates mean nothing.

you aren't searching for loot you can use, that shit NEVER drops, no, you dumb nigga, this is a Stock Market Auction House game.

power comes from "money" and "money" are orbs (and mirrors) and the only thing that matters is getting orbs to just buy your upgrade.

you know how theoretically unlikely it is to get a godroll off a rare and slapping two exalts on it?
your better off buying lotto tickets.

>>715453348
Minion builds are for bosses and afk mechanics not for maps.

>>715454074
I play SSF, this season I crafted everything I used except my Amulet and my chanced Helmet. You just start with 3 good rolls and keep going until you have better stuff, it's not that hard.

>>715454257
its pointless, have fun in SSF, but its simpler to just buy the godroll.

that's how the Dev's balanced the game, that's why a perfectly rolled weapon is basically impossible to roll, its so mathematically against you its not worth thinking about.

>>715452743
>They said on the stream few days ago that there wont be new class because they are focusing on fixes retard
keep going schizo POE1 retard kek

>>715454415
Hey, don't I know it. My +4 Wand wasn't very good and I never saw a +5 one despite slamming every single proper iLvl Wand I got. People act like you need that shit to clear, though, and you don't. You can do juiced T16s and most Pinnacles doing 20% less damage. It's fine.

>>715453853
I meant buffing enemy* HP and rarity btw, not minion.

>Since 0.1 they have buffed the drops pretty extensively.
My PoE enthusiast friend did tell me they buffed DIV drop rates, is it just that? Because that would just increase the price of gear on the market leading to no actual change in acquiring the needed Spirit and minion level gear.

>>715453786
I enjoyed the endgame trial bosses, they were so tanky the whole experience wasn't over in seconds like normal maps. Sadly they don't happen that often. And even there the road to the bosses with the timed Delirium run or the battles leading to the bosses were kinda shit because everything dies as it spawns.

>>715454579
Currency in general drops a lot more, Rare items as well, Rare items are guaranteed to drop in a lot of places now. Before the Regal Shard income in early-game could be rough but now it's a lot easier to freely Regal promising gear.

>>715454074
The more the God rolls drop, the more they'll end up sold on the market, driving down prices for the God rolls but also the less God rolls. I know I'd have better odds becoming a trillionaire overnight than getting a Rattling Scepter with +5 minion skills and 100 Spirit. That's apparently part of the "fun".

>>715434056 (OP)
WHERE.IS.SHADOW

>said that they released most skills weak in the 0.2 patch because they were going HAM on buffing stuff during the patch/league
>it's been months and they haven't buffed a single skill
huh?

>>715454924
I have to imagine they are in complete shambles over there.

the stated goal of 1.0 in "checks notes", 2 months, is so out of pocket with the reality of their development, something must have gone horrifically wrong in that studio.

>>715439617
based

>>715455393
Sure seems that way. I was apprehensive about trying 0.2 but I ended up enjoying myself, so I'll give them that on 0.3 too, even though they made a lot of changes in 0.2 in the letter iterations. I actually came to like the general goal of 0.2's rebalance and thought it was very ambitious and liked their moxie but then it felt like they backpedaled hard. Ironically the loot buffs kept me playing since I had gotten kind of bored grinding for days and not even getting shit for currency, but I still have to see how they changed early-game drops rather than the endgame drops.

>>715443459
nobody will ever convince me this game is hard

What a garbage community. All of you can get fucked.

>>715455783
Show me your hardcore character

Would I like this if I don't like ARPGs?
I used to but at some point Diablo 2/Titans Quest stopped being fun to me and stuff like Last Epoch/Grim Dawn/whatever didn't do anything to change my mind.

>>715434056 (OP)
They gave poe2 the bloodborne treatment

>Dark Souls looks cool but, not what I'm into
>Add horror theme and faster paced combat
>Oh that looks cool

>>715456374
No. Even people who like ARPGs don't like it kek

>>715456374
You might, it depends on what build you play. Our feelings are aligned, though you had played more ARPGs than I have. I just played some Diablo and Torchlight, which I thought both were just OK. I loved PoE2 though. There's a lot of threatening enemies and optimizing the builds with all the different levers is really fun. I think I might like PoE1 too but I haven't tried it yet.

>>715456374
its not really an ARPG.

you don't hunt better and better loot, this becomes impossible.

8/10 loot has less probability to drop than BER runes in d2, by alot, 10/10 loot has the same odds as being hit by Lightning twice at the same time.

no, its not an ARPG, its a stock market game, you get Divine Orbs and sell them for Exalted Orbs and Loot.

you just "buy" the best gear, shit that drops on the ground is almost always a waste of time past a certain power level, it'll never outroll your shit, the best you can hope for is a decent peice of gear to sell to others.

Got 40 challenges, sold my mageblood, bought void keys, got fuckall, pretty fun league overall.

>>715436197
Anyone who expected PoE2 to not eventually get zoomy is an uber fucking monkey jeet retard.
>B-B-BUT I WANT LE TACTICOOL STRAGATEGISM GAMEPRAY!!!!
Yeah, nigger, and what happens when Act 1 plays exactly the fucking same as maps, and you therefore have no progression? There isn't a single video game out there where you start slow, get nothing, and stay slow unless its a 3 hour gimmick game about dying of cancer or some fucking shit lmao

>>715456374
It can be a twin stick shooter if you like them, and then call it done when you've finished the campaign.

>>715456282
Why should he? That isn’t an argument for the game being difficult, in fact it merely underscores that the “difficulty” is just tedium. “How long can you play slow as molasses before the drive to have fun pushes you to grow even if it means failure?”

>>715442405
They aren't going to release 1.0 in 2026 at this rate, let alone a 6 month minimum. Druid and Huntress were "almost ready" for release in December of 2024. Huntress came out 4 months later and Druid still isn't out. This shit was a disaster.

>>715456694
It's a good approach to start out with scaling speed slow and adjust the game feeling in other ways like with how they've made some maps smaller. That way you when you add more speed in the future, it's more meaningful as a stat since it's less diminished. I agree they could bump up the rate of MS gain a bit, though, or add more sources of it, or at least make it a fucking intrinsic.

>>715456710
So it's "really easy" but you can't play it because it's "too tedious"?
Softcore BABIES coping is always so fun to watch.

I can't even imagine playing on BABYcore, like what's the point if there zero challange or risks if you die?

>muh combos
>armor piercing shot into one slightly higher damage High velocity and then back again
fuck off
Some shit just needs reworking totally, and they should get on with it instead of appeasing poe1 fagets

>>715456374
dont listen to the poe1 butthurt faggots man like
>>715456501
>>715456664
>>715456708
it's already the greatest ARPG since Diablo 2 while in early access with barely 40% of content
POE1 zoomslop niggers' influence might turn it into D4 before release tho so I would play it as soon as possible

>>715451849
>bleeds player like crazy league over league
theres only been 1 league so far. wut is this mental diarrhea ur typing

You're such a fraud.

>>715457021
Has every death you've had in HC felt "fair", like something you could have avoided or built differently to withstand every time? Because to me it doesn't seem that way, and playing a poorly balanced game in HC is some kind of retardation.

>>715457365
>already the greatest
lol
lmao

what kind of sense does it make to have 2 of the same type of game as your live service game? the 2nd being a direct sequel? how do you come to the conclusion that this is a good idea?

>>715457592
NTA but almost every death I've had is fair, and even the ones I felt like were bullshit, I came to think they were fair. Then they nerfed most of the things that killed me at some point. My two deaths this season were both very fair.

>>715442257
>build diversities
Merc is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. They are basically supercharged animated guardian with jewelries and auras. Without them, most of the current builds wouldn't be viable

>>715457720
ty for the insighful arguments poe1 troon!

>>715457779
OK fair enough. Just out of curioisty do you feel like you had a lot of choice in how you built a character to survive HC eg defensive choice

>>715457726
they both make a ton of money so whats the problem

>>715457937
It depends on the character and your gear luck as to how much you can get away with foregoing defensive tree investment. Even in the cases where you have good defensive gear luck, that means you have a better base to work off of, which makes further defensive investment even more attractive. If you die, that can be dozens of hours lost. So I think HC building is very rigid and the majority of your tree should be defensive. That's just one school of thought, though. From looking at PoE2 Ninja, most people build less defensive than I do, but you'll still see a lot of builds with around half their points in defenses.

>>715458396
Probably most are ES I would guess though

Why is there a stereotype of PoE1 only requiring one button to play? I run out of space on my hotkey bar by the time pretty much any character reaches endgame. In current league I'm playing a viper strike of the mamba pathfinder which you'd think would be a perfect example of a 1-button build, but I still have to constantly weave in whirling blades, flamedash, ambush, alchemist's mark, throwing mines, popping flasks. I'm starting to think people hold this opinion about a game they've probably never played only because they've seen other people express it, or they've watched footage from streamers that was too intimidating and chalked it up to "a bunch of shit blowing up on the screen"

>>715458565
Absolutely. I won't mince words, ES is by far the best form of defenses. Some builds pick up hybrid ES/Armour or ES/EV nodes just to stack more ES. There's also some bosses that have moves designed to fuck you up with EV or Armour but ES facetanks it effortlessly with a bit of investment. You can still tank the stuff with the other builds, but it's harder. And as far as endgame mapping goes, nearly every class is more or less forced to pick up ES if they don't want to be facing near one-shots all the time outside of a Smith of Kitava, who can still get some benefit out of ES. They really need to finetune this shit some more.

i like how there is multiple interviews of jonathan and mark saying that the end game was always going to be more zoomy like poe1 and people just pretend like that was never going to be the case

reminder that poe cultists unironically paid GGG money to do their jobs for them and still hated the experience past pretending it was in spite of [league they didn't like] trannies (or something like that)

>>715458678
Because people see the 3k hp pajeets who played in Softcore Trade run around with Mageblood/Headhunter/Whatever and don't realize that those zoomy blaster builds that use 1 button are the result of a combination of RMT, shitskin sweatshop grinding, and several deaths per map. The footage of them zooming with an xp bar permanently stuck at 0 at level 95 doesn't register. The instant boss kills where they have 1.2k health (and still have 0% xp at level 95) doesn't register. They see it and assume that more reasonable game modes function the same, when they inherently don't, and don't realize that GGG does not view softcore trade as legitimate, since they've never given a single fuck about boss kill or level races in SC.

>>715458769
>ES is by far the best form of defenses
my Hyrri's Ire 95% evasion build that cost me 1 div disagrees.

>>715460286
>conditionally can tank one nasty hit 95% of the time, eats shit the other 5% of the time
>ES tanks it to the face and is back at full ES before recently has even expired

>>715436663
>focus most of the work on the campaign, neglecting the end game which most people play these games for
This has to be baitlol
Only the most autistic 10% of players stick around for endgame, this has been proven time and time again.
But lie to yourself I guess, does it helps to cope or something?

>>715460880
>conditionally can tank one nasty hit 95% of the time, eats shit the other 5% of the time
I wish I was a maths deficient retard like you, life is easier for the special boys kek
Btw, show me a 10K+ ES build with capped resists costing 1 div

poo2

>>715457726
New ideas for poe1 that poe1 can't take becayse of bloat.
Think about it as a poe1 sidecontent reset.

>>715457726
uh?
POE2 is already more successful than POE1 percentage-wise, the only reason 1 has made more money is because it has been running for 12 years instead of 6 months lmao

>>715461297
Those are also the players buying all the cosmetic shit and stash tabs

>>715434056 (OP)
Even D4 is better than this turd

>>715461940
bait used to be believable

>>715461745
Do you believe that PoE2 will be successful in the future? Do you believe that the development of PoE2 will negatively affect PoE1?

I'm really confused how some of you people see a high playercount when the game released and just assume permanent success. I played PoE2 for the whole of December and these people have no idea what they want with that game nor do I think that they're going to find out and I don't believe years from now that the game will be deemed a successful live service project.

>>715461940
>Even D4 is better than this turd
I wouldnt say poe2 is the best arpg ever but one thing is sure: D4 is downright the worst arpg I had the displeasure to play in the last 15 years.
I'd rather play the fucking gamba mobile diablo before touching that piece of shit ever again

>"Hate Letter"
>Leaked WIP Act 6 Town theme is a new rendition of the OG title screen theme.
https://vocaroo.com/13lOpU5Cixsb

Yeah I don't think so. Ludo Kino is inc.

>>715462273
>these people have no idea what they want with that game nor do I think that they're going to find out
I could see a world where it keeps being successful but yes I agree with you 100% on that point.
game has incredible potential but the higher-ups seem incredibly short-sighted with trying to appease the butthurt poe1 players instead of telling them to fuck off and branch out for a new audience. Only time will tell.

>>715434056 (OP)
Can we get refunds for EA games still? I forget

>>715462652
>trying to appease the butthurt poe1 players
The retarded streamers needs to be banned from ever playing PoE again the subreddit needs to be banned entitled cunts

>>715434056 (OP)
I dropped 0.2 like a week in (it was abysmal dogshit) but ready to give 0.3 a shot.
>1.5 month away
Breh

>>715461359
NTA but isn't a 95% chance to evade = a 5% chance to not evade?

>>715434056 (OP)
It's weird that people who are this much into instant gratification chose to play hyper grindy games like PoE. Are you just trying to be miserable?

>>715437113
Remove the nostalgia and D2 is worse than POE.

>>715440101
That's their business model.

>>715447963
It's not true by any non stupid definition of true.

>>715463743
In what way is that not true?

>start spouting shit about making about turning Poe into a soulslike to ride on ER craze at the time
>this actually made people hyped
>game is nothing like a souls and pretty much plays liek Poe1 where you use 1 skill clear everything
lying fucks

>>715436197
Good. Artificially inflating hours played to boost "player engagement" numbers for your chinese investors is pure cancer and the complete opposite of what games should be, which is fun.

>>715463351
Yes and? Only a retard would think 95 to 5 is bad odds, it's actually incredibly OP when you can also roll every hit except 1 or 2 slams.
Multiple hits obliterating your ES will happen far more often than a 5% of not evading that one big OS (that's why they had to put an entropy system for evasion because it was too powerful with actual "real" random).

>>715464143
1 in 20 chance to die, great odds.

>>715436104
diablo is the dad gamer mode and Poe2 is dark souls of arpg now. Thats both good and bad. no one wants to struggle forever on white mobs.

>>715463974
>actually playing a game where you have to press multiple buttons with timing and spacing is playtime inflation
>spamming one aoe over and over again is fun and actual legitimate gameplay
this is why i hate arpg players

>>715464710
retard spotted, big ES is like 5 on 20 or 3 on 20 with perfect 60+ divs gear kek
how about you actually play the game instead of getting exposed as a shortbus rider? I also have a 17k ES res cap Dot Lich this season and guess which one dies the most?

>>715464712
>no one wants to struggle forever on white mobs.
and no one does, you hyperbolic faggot. no one ever has ever in a single arpg where this claim has ever been made, including d4 before faggots like you cried and ruined it.

>>715447234
>Uhm Chris said it was a filing error!
>Literally, LITERALLY says he left in 2023 on his youtube channel

>>715465054
uhh meant for >>715464092

>>715465119
I'm going to shoot you 20 times, one of them is a real bullet

>>715465185
Shut up you fucking tourist retard.

>>715465254
yep, just as I said: retard spotted.
It's actually like 19 in 20 chances of winning 100 billions and 1 of dying, I bet you wouldnt take these odds like the cowardly faggot you are kek

>>715439617
It's a nice thought, but you still funded them to keep making garbage so other tards can give them money and the cycle repeats.

>>715465134
>and no one does
literally what everyone complained bout with poe2. its slowed down because every mob is a dark souls boss now and theres no loot.

>>715465494
Yeah but you're rolling ti repeatedly not just once. Even doing the lottery once every second, and if you win you die, eventually you dead. But you'rte rolling 1 in 20 every second.

>>715451631
he was doing it to annoy ppl in chat who were complaining about pause being in the game but it's funnier without context

>>715465438
Yeah and? What is your point? I said they lied and they lied. He was not working there in 2023 like he claimed.

>>715465730
>But you'rte rolling 1 in 20 every second.
so you are mentally AND physically deficient? you cant press dodge roll one in a while or just get the fuck out of attacks? way to out yourself as a no-skill mongo facetanker kek
you are only getting entropy checked if you are surrounded for 3+ seconds (which never happens because you press your attack button of choice and everything on the screen explode) or you got slammed by a T4 boss (which would kill you even with 20K ES anyway).

>>715465621
you're just retarded

Not playing til 1.0. Hope you whiny fags don't ruin the game by then.

>>715465621
>literally what everyone complained bout with poe2
yes literally what every pants-on-head retarded casual with sub 80 IQ complained about, exactly like in any Souls game release week.
Makes you think uh? (probably not in your case tho...)

>>715465119
you'd have to be literally retarded to die with 17k es, I'm sorry that you're brown and bad at the game

>>715467279
you'd have to be literally retarded and armless to die with 95% evasion, I'm sorry that you're a blind nigger with downies and terrible at the game

>>715436275
poe2 has no thinking whatsoever. You walk around at 1 mile an hr and hold right click. There are no combos, only lightning spearing the whole screen of molasses tier enemies

>>715443123
poe2 is literally exactly like that, but easier, and less competitive for normies

>>715445495
game is a shell of its' predecessor while also simultaneously making several system designs measurably worse. They dumbed down everything for a casual audience, who, in this very thread, downplay the importance of seasonality, replayability, and minmaxing in a game genre that is built around that. They made all the worst changes possible to ingratiate themselves to this fickle new audience, who won't even play the game past the first playthrough.

>>715466867
>Souls game release week.
the difference is a dark souls game you beat the boss once. in Poe2 you have to keep beating it and deal with the same frustrating strategy.
>sub 80 iq complain
>ugh why isnt my game annoyingly hard so i can feel smug about being a pro at it
idk anon Poe2 is dying for a reason. not sure why you want to be smug about being good at a dead game.

>>715443708
I'm sure all of us at some point have done a map or two with our auras somehow turned off.

>>715451502
this takes insane levels of grind to get to this point. All the gameplay up to that is very good, and you can choose not to do this by playing other builds and other content.

If 0.3.0 releases without more melee weapons, I'm skipping it. FUCK MACES AND FUCK SPEARS

>>715468105
What did they "dumb down"

>>715465054
>>actually playing a game where you have to press multiple buttons with timing and spacing is playtime inflation
lol what fucking game are you even talking about? Certainly not poe2

>>715468123
>in Poe2 you have to keep beating it and deal with the same frustrating strategy.
you didnt play the game. endgame bosses take seconds to kill and without any skill required compared to Souls bosses.
>>715468123
>idk anon Poe2 is dying for a reason. not sure why you want to be smug about being good at a dead game.
by your retarded logic, Poe1 is even more dead because it has even worse numbers than the last month of a 4 months league kek

>>715468617
support gems, passive tree, defensive options, jewel options, auras, itemization, crafting, unique design. Basically every system that gave poe its' core identity was ripped out and bastardized.

>>715434056 (OP)
>>715434693
>>715435371
SEETHING LOONEYTROON LMAO

>>715442567
>Great character builder and loot /crafting system in that game.
If you genuinely believe this please stay as far away from poe as possible

>>715468792
Any examples, or you just going to be vague.

>>715468792
Not him.
Auras are an upgrade, Anon.
PoE1's aura system is a dumpster fire of "more damage or defense, you better have a LOT of damage if you are skipping defense!" levels of dumb.
>its'
Just "its", lad.

>>715468792
>Basically every system that gave poe its' core identity
ah yes! the core identity of an excel sheet simulator mixed with an afk auto-battler LMFAO. you poe1 troons are so delusional

>>715442567
>last epoo mentioned.
enjoy your 3 days of kindergarten fun, anon!
I suggest you move to D4 next, you seem like the target audience kek

>>715468987
I gave you examples right there. Item affixes were watered down including removal of dozens of crafting currencies, the removal of the crafting bench and meaningful powerful affixes that enabled builds or gave character power were removed. The passive tree is sparse, and includes dozens more unnecessary travel nodes. Meaning your character gets less stats as he levels up and level ups feel worse. The attribute system itself has been replaced by a "pick your own" system at yhe expense of having the tree have color wheel identity and making gearing options stricter by increasing attribute requirements. This has had the net effect of destroying build diversity and reducing total combinatorial complexity of the game, while also doing little to improve anything about attributes except allowing absolute retards to have a grasp of the trees purpose. Unique items are a more complex issue and if you don't understand the design pillars of the first game, or have a frame of reference on the 2nd, how would I describe this to you? Support gems no longer level up or give quality and gems themselves need items to level up, meaning leveling up is no longer as much qn avenue for power as is finding a higher level gem from a drop. Life has been removed from the tree and the disparity between life builds is massive inflated compared to poe1. Armour is completely useless and the formulas used for damage conversion and damage taken conversions have been flipped in the equation, essentially making getting defenses from physical taken as elemental useless, and also making converting damage to another damage type useless. They've also messed with several keystones including making ES immune to bleeds, screwing over bleed based characters and further exasperating defense disparities. Item bases have been bastardized by pigeon holing build archetypes into specific weapon types and making specific skills bound to certain weapons. The entire system is garbage

>>715439801
Since they're fully owned by chinks.. not for long.

>>715469012
The spirit system is an upgrade, but the auras on offer are fucking trash

>>715451290
>2023
>Game looks cool as fuck, everything i wanted - basically PoE1 without 13 years of bullshit + great graphics + some new fun additions

Funny how just in 2 patches they have managed to bring back shit ton of garbage, and its been just 0.fucking.2.
By 1.0 the game will be more bloated with shit than PoE1.
They have claimed it to be more newbie friendly, btw.

>>715455783
professional PoE1 content creators were crying rivers of tears about the literal starter zone enemies being "too fast". Something I never even suspected someone would complain about because i thought they were easy. Gamers are worse at games than you would think, the iso-arpg crowd are some of the worst gamers thats why they want everything to be a "power fantasy" where they press X to win without putting any thought into the game other than how to copy paste a build someone else made online.

>>715469014
Show me a video of you killing a t17 boss or your achievements proving you've experienced this "autobattler"

>>715469461
>and i will stay here, in my pool of feces where i spend days browsing chink market (thats the gameplay of poop2)

good for you anon

>>715470096
chink market is the ultimate litmus test for any human being capable of free will. Ubermenschen such as me only play SSF anyway.
Meanwhile you, as a last epoch "player", are exactly like pic rel

i have never seen a bigger shitshow than the poe community. holy fucking autism.

>>715443123
PoE2 was even worse about that and in r record time

>>715470842
what autism is happening here? did he smell some egirl fart inside the enveloppe?

>>715469856
Sounds like they just debloated a bunch of shit systems from PoE 1, based if you ask me.

>>715471502
>pretending to be retarded so you can spout your poe2 groveler opinion as "an outsider"
You're a faggot and the shtick is transparent. You never had a question in the first place

>>715471645
Not gonna read your reddit essay ya fucking fag lol.

>>715470842
>the poe community
That's what happens when you pander to the most braindead SC zoom zoom bot

>>715471805
>reads massive paragraph
>can't read one sentence after
You read it and you are coping about poe2 being a massive turd.

>>715444613
>armor
also enjoy your multiplicatively reduced movement speed with no way fix

>>715469941
The auras on offer are way, way more interesting than "Gain 40% of Phys damage as Extra Cold."
They're numerically terrible and anything "too good" gets slapped into the ground as evidenced by Combat Frenzy.
>Went from a reliable Charge on Kill system to once every SIX SECONDS at level 20
But regardless, the system is a gigantic upgrade and there's nothing dumbed down about it.
GGG is just too scared to let them be good.

>>715471430
He's looking at food. Asian girl had her eggs drop after seeing a mediocre white boy and his bwc. Us white men tower over minotirities in ways that are incomprehensible to us.

>>715472737
They're dumbed down because there's no way to scale thme, and unlike poe1 they are a system that just sits there and can't be interacted with outside like one node cluster and a few uniques. It's just lazy design like everything else. Pre nerfed and normalized to remove creative use and protect the image of the game from being tarnished by players thinking outside the box

>>715450387
The reasons PoE2 "fell off"
>Its still in early access and appears like it'll take them 2 whole years to even be feature complete
>They made the retarded announcement that they'll keep working a ton on PoE1
>They are taking eons to put out content for PoE2
Its shot alright, self inflicted by the developers who should have just dropped PoE1 the moment they saw millions of people playing early access day one. Dont get me wrong, once 1.0 comes out PoE1 is done for. But im still shitting on the devs for wasting time/resources.

>>715451849
PoE2 will have 2m players at 1.0 launch mark my words screenshot it whatever you gotta do.

>>715464712
PoE2 was "Dark Souls" for the first two acts when the Beta first released, and IMMEDIATELY went back to the same industry standard ARPG slop the genre is known for by Act 3.

>>715468123
>He plays Souls games once and never touches them again
I know /v/ was full of dopamine fried retards, but damn.

>>715466743
its already dogshit

>>715451215
It's funny because everyone instantly noticed how shit he was at the game the moment he made a video about it, yet he played D4 for months and months and nobody noticed he was account sharing and getting boosted by chinks there. Goes to show that at least it might be fixable.

>>715476704
the sad truth yep

>>715478162
Diablo 4 was my wake-up call at how far down Blizzard fell.
It's amazing how shit this game is from the literal creators of the genre (well... not really, they have been replaced by blue-haired troons and affirmative action niggers a long time ago...)

>>715442108
its not actually ball bustingly hard though, its just tedious. 95% of the game is mindless clicking, tunes your brain off, then in some short moments you need to instantly react or you get 1shot. it has no constant flow, mostly mindless slog and then bursts of stress.
the entire fun of poe1 with weird gem combos is gone as well, its extremely limited with what is allowed to interact with what.
and i really mean it that arpg/diabloclone mixing with soulsslop will never work. you can do soulsslop with a little arpg (make souls isometric) but going 90% arpg and 10% rollslop is actual agony.

>>715434056 (OP)
Every Far Cry game after Far Cry 2

>>715434056 (OP)
Idk, it's a great game imo. Waiting for 1.0 or something to go back, but I got to level 94 at the beginning of Early Access and it was fun.

>>715453441
yes

>>715449650
>random shitty event
Legacy Of Phrecia was a neat event. I regret missing out on it.

>>715449650
Mercenaries are just Anarchy/Rogue Exiles with a gimmick. And please believe me that the gimmick is barely worth it.
>have slain so fucking many mercs
>got only one merc gem dropped from them all
And its not even a good one either. I get better shit from running Lab.

>>715480728
holy retard

>>715451502
>that
>good gameplay
That is not a good gameplay. That is what you get after grinding like motherfucker and sinking multiple mirrors into ONE build - the "autobomber".

>>715451502
Reminder for most people games are about the journey, not the destination, and this is the destination.

>>715480901
Anon, i am indeed holy, and that is not up for a debate. Whether i am a retard is up for an academic debate.

>>715481754
>the game is so shit you need to automate damage so that you can just move around and pick shit off the ground if you want
Nah. That is the destination i dont want to come to.

>>715482318
Nobody's stopping you from playing the game wrong and taking 30 minutes per map if you'd rather do that.

>>715482396
Don't respond to people who directly ignore what you say and spit out their own bastardization of what you say.

>>715482396
Wew lad. Why the extremes? Who was talking anything about maps and playing right or wrong? Or are you just THAT happy with your merc and "free" haste aura and "optimised" time-per-map? Mercs are just that - exiles with gimmicks. No matter how much you try to deny it.

>>715482467
it's called pilpul and the more we recognize it and name it the less effective it will be

>>715483158
>pilpul
Pretty sure that's not quite right, but it is an interesting term. I'm more inclined to call it caricature writing, in which you recreate someone's claim/argument/statement, but in a more crude and imbalanced way such that it fits better into your arbitrary narrative to prolong the conversation.
Unfortunately, you can't teach anti-shitposting tactics cause nobody fucking cares.

>>715482467
>>715483158
>>715483732
Holy shit, pseudo-intellectuals!

>game is shit
>game is full of bullshit
>you need X to deal with bullshit
>X is antithesis to what one expects from the game and gameplay in the first place
>if it takes X to play the game, then there is an issue with the game and game design
So instead of calling developers out on bullshit, you would rather "but THAT is how you are supposed to play the game!"
Goddamn, but you sure do make those 5 monkeys proud.

>>715484215
seethe moshe seethe

>>715484342
That is all you can say! That is all you can say because you have no actual argument!

Are Exile or IV worth playing? I’m just a casualfag, I haven’t even touched Diablo II.

On that note, why does everyone love Diablo II? I see it all the time up there on /v/ top 100 lists next to Ocarina and Dues Ex.

>>715484215
>>if it takes X to play the game
It doesn't.

>>715436663
>for some reason it became rollsop
Unironically, this is the most egregious thing for me
They have like 10 mobility gems in PoE, each with their own flavour (blinks and teleports, acrobatic maneuvres, just fucking jumping really high) and their own situations where they're useful. In PoE2? Nope, only rolling. Everyone rolls. We love rolling here, don't we folks?

>>715469461
>nooo why cant I piss my entire life away grinding for chink currency in this game???
your arrogant behaivor is very misplaced considering you arent even human

>>715434056 (OP)
>7 months pass by
>1 new class
why are these fucks so lazy?

>>715451502
what's wrong with this?
this build costs more than you will ever farm in a league

It's only been 6.3 months.

>>715486082
Don't forget anon: They said 0.3 may not even have a new class in it, so it could be literally 1 year and 1 class.

>>715485570
>On that note, why does everyone love Diablo II?
God-tier sound design and music. Satisfying power progression. Just enough mechanical complexity. Story easily skippable if you don't care about that, many RPGs back then the story was integral to the experience and impossible to skip. Just download it, shouldn't take you more than 5 minutes if you play the OG.

>>715486145
lmao, I wasn't following the news since February, so when are they releasing it for real with all 6 chapters?

>>715486145
>They said 0.3 may not even have a new class
Gonna have to source me up on that one, chief.

>>715486423
They said that acts 4-6 are closer than you think, actually.

>>715486447
https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1lvfv3w/long_summary_of_the_chinese_interview_with/

The post is by sirgog who is a pretty longtime PoE community member/content creator.

>>715486082
Can you do better

>>715481093
>>715486107
>multiple mirrors
>he fucking died in his own showcase webm of it
Holy lmao, pathetic build

>>715486605
Yes.

>>715486673
then where the fuck is the problem
first youre crying because he doesnt have to press buttons to clear and now youre making fun of it because he died

>>715486537
Well, I rescind my doubt.
What the fuck.
>0.1 drops
>"Huntress and Druid are almost done"
>0.2 drops 3 months later
>Just straight-up don't mention Druid
>0.3 drops another 3 months later
>Probably won't have Druid
I don't believe for a damn second they're going to actually diversify skill choice when all they can do is brutally nerf everything into pureed shit and this reads like a huge excuse.

He didn't even die in said "showcase" which isn't his.

>>715486892
Basically the game won't be actually complete (all classes + weapons + ascendancies + acts) until like mid or the end of 2026 lmao.

>>715486882
Not everyone is one person you dopey cunt
This may alarm you but this isn't fucking reddit where you're just not allowed to butt into a conversation any time you like on this ANONYMOUS IMAGEBOARD
You are arguing about how one button builds are le bad but I don't give a fuck what you're doing, I am commenting that this zero button build is shit because he died

>No Talkative Tri

>>715486991
Read the chat log at the start
He couldn't even be bothered to wait until it hat faded away to hide it

>>715485570
>>715486195
Ah, right, I forgot something important. Diablo 2 just drops you right into the game with no preamble, no tutorials, and just lets you play the fucking game. That's pretty underrated, especially in the modern gaming tutorial hellscape that treats you like a retard.

>>715485570
>POE or D4 worth playing?
>POE
it's the gold standard of ARPGs in terms of depth and breadth of end-game content, and you can play for 5000 hours and still be surprised by the cool builds people cook up, but the game plays like boiled fucking shit (run at mach 10, press RMB to delete the screen, cookie clicker the loot and do it again)
Currently the best ARPG on the market, but that's because POE2 is still in-dev and needs more time.
I heavily recommend the dev's "Build of the Week" videos to get a well-put-together look at how cool POE builds are.
https://youtu.be/n2-QGQCnRLk?si=QJIIgpQgj9FHZIvQ
>POE2
Yes. From experience with newbie friends, POE2 is crack to them because it has easily the best gameplay in the entire genre, has fantastic presentation in all ways, and still has a toothsome-enough endgame to put it above its contemporaries. POE2 is only bad to POE1fags, because their brains have been boiled by years of rat-race currency farming that they LOATHE POE2's slower pace and deeper skill builds.
Unless the niggers that play POE1 get POE2 gutted, it's shaping up to be by FAR the best ARPG out there. You should play it.
>D4
I'm actually nicer to D4 than most people. It's an incredibly shallow and frankly amateur game, but the game is smooth enough to be enjoyable for a few days. If you go into D4 understanding that it's basically a casual minigame you won't even squeeze a week's worth of enjoyment out of, you'll find it to be surprisingly fun. But as a rewarding ARPG POE1 and 2 both shit on it, and in the "great combat" race it briefly held the title in POE2 beat it so hard it's not even funny.

>So what do I play?
POE2.

I'm still fucking mad they nerfed Armor Explosion activating recursively
It was such a cool combo, it made warrior feel playable but no
first patch comes out and it gets taken away + hammer of the gods gets nerfed

They just hate it when the players have fun

TICK TOCK PoE FAGGOYS

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/diablo-4-content-creators-just-got-a-secret-glimpse-of-the-games-future/1100-6533139/

>Content creators like Maxroll's Wudijo and Lucky Luciano, as well as Warlugtv from Mobalytics, took to social media over the weekend to share their excitement and give Diablo 4 players some hope for the future based on what they had seen during a closed Blizzard presentation
>"Just got off a call with the Diablo team on upcoming changes to Diablo 4…Keep an eye out because they have been cooking and have a lot planned.""

>>715487621
new powers...

At this point I just want a classic PoE to autism grind in
A game where I can find gear and then put it on, not have to go through a trade site to craft my fractured synthesized elevated double corrupted imfamous influenced items to go with my mageblood (now mandatory on ALL builds!)

>>715487719
you havent owned a mageblood or even played poe endgame and it shows

>>715487719
Hey, there are some builds where you don't use mageblood.

>>715487621
>took to social media over the weekend to ... give Diablo 4 players some hope for the future
Wow, it's that grim for D4, is it? They need hopium from social media posts?

>>715487564
100% agreed.
It was one of the few things that made Life Melee tolerable.
And stumbling upon it when I finally got T2 Supports got me actually excited to keep going.
I feel bad for any new players who come, try Warrior Melee, finally get T2s, stumble upon Armor Explosion, try it out, and then just go "this is okay I guess."

>>715487925
As someone who actually pays attention to D4, it is definitely at a low point right now. All of the content creators are depressed because every new season has been pretty bad. At this point their main cope is the next expansion pack.

>>715487925
>It's that grim for D4?
The game has had nine seasons
Season 1 was so bad it killed the game
Season 2 and 3 nobody played because the game was shit and S1 killed it
The game actually released in S4 when they made the loot system tolerable, and S5 was good too (allegedly)
S6 was a fucking joke carried hard by it being the expansion release so everyone was playing Spiritborn, the most comically busted shit ever
S7, S8, and S9 have been literally 80% the same exact season rereleased three times. Blizzard didn't even try to hide the fact that they pulled almost all the developers to make the next expansion pack to sell.
So out of nine seasons, TWO have been good.

>poe2
>still no Druid (the only class iv been waiting for)
>still no swords
>still people making 1 button spam builds
>still people dieing to act 1 boss
>still having to fight the worst boss fight ever made (the titan)
>still no Non dot chaos spells or builds
>still no other acts

>>715488496
Speaking of DoTs, what they did to ignite/poison/bleed is so stupid I have trouble handling it. It scales like 80-90% the same as other skills, you just throw in some DoT Multi in there. What were they thinking?

>>715488496
>>still having to fight the worst boss fight ever made (the titan)
That's your definition of the worst boss fight ever?
Lad, if only you knew.

>>715451881
this

YOU WILL BE EXCITED FOR PATH OF EXILE 2 0.3 OR ELSE

>>715488756
that fight is aids on anyone who has no range and even some with range that do negative damage to him
it's annoying and those stupid fucking exploding things that fly at you are stupid as fuck

>Game has a fantastic Act 1
>Good aesthetics, good music, good bosses that get slowly more difficult culminating in a genuinely great final act boss
>Act 2 is generic desert with the gimmick of a moving town that doesn't do anything
>Is okay, has some decent flavor. Final act boss is not that great
>Act 3 is a jungle with bad bosses, giant areas that seem to go on forever, time travel nonsense, but a better final boss than Act 2
It is weird. Act 1 feels complete. It feels like it was tested thousands of times and Act 2 and 3 just feel like they are kind of thrown together.

>>715488856
you just hug the titan's left arm and are safe from both bullshit swipe and breath attack, his most dangerous attacks, can safely wail away at him from there

>>715488856
You are genuinely bad, Anon.
The fight is actually well-choreographed and you can consistently dodge all of his attacks if you pay attention.
The sploder wave can be baited out if you don't have the group DPS to deal with it.
If you want genuine garbage bosses, there's tons of old games to pull from, but I'll just suggest Devil May Cry 2.

>>715489093
>>715488995
i never said it was hard i said it was shit
it's not a fun fight
i have done it multiple times on multiple characters on high tier maps
it's not fun
it's not a good fight
it's shit
stop defending it

>>715488897
That's pretty common, isn't it? Developers want to leave a favorable first impression. See: FF7 and Midgar.

>>715489232
Go play DMC2, then you can complain.

>>715488897
on replay I actually find that Act 1 felt the least complete, it just had the least filler. It has the THEME I like the most, but doesn't do enough with it.
The zones that drag in Acts 2 and 3 (the generic jungle zone just outside the A3 town, the underground scarab burial city in A2) feel almost overwhelming in your memory, but if you take everything side by side, A1 has the least going on and A2/3 are better realized. The intro zone is less memorable than the Lioneye's Watch beach, the area outside the castle is too short, the Red Vale is forgettable, all of the characters feel underdeveloped.
The Maraketh in A2 are legitimately compelling because they never apologize for anything psychotic they do, they did a lot to bring visual variety to "desert world", and I dig the giant moving town final zone.
You're hugely underselling how good A3's finale is, too.

>>715488897
I agree that it's shit, particularly the swipe attack, but the game has much worse deep rooted issues in my opinion, like block and evasion only working against a small subset of enemy damage skills, or the endgame mapping system as a whole

>>715488897
The funniest part is that Act 3 is slated to eventually have TWO MORE side areas.

>>715434056 (OP)
Have the seen the fans?

>>715489343
i have played DMC2 why are you comparing an Action game that requires a mastery of combos and different weapons to a diablo clone that lets you roll on a cooldown

>>715436104
Diablo 4's gameplay is a worse Diablo 3.

I will NEVER stop playing D4

You PoE shits will NEVER win

>>715488897
Act 4 maps will be the size of act 1 and 2 combined for each map
act 5 maps will be the size of act 1 and 2 and 3 combined for each map
act 6 maps will be the size of the entirety of PoE 1 for each map

>>715489958
GOTD

>>715489958
>beating the campaign takes a week

>>715489821
You had a chance and you just outed yourself as a lying sack of shit.
Goodbye, Anon.

>we think PoE1's campaign is bad so we're gonna make a better campaign in PoE2
>PoE2's campaign looks great in a screenshot but is god awful to play
>story is time travel bullshit and retcons Sin into being a giga retard
>campaign is full of forced time wasting and backtracking back to town so you can talk to an NPC so they can then teleport to where you already were
poop2 of excrement is accurate

>>715489958
I honestly would enjoy that if the loot were worthwhile.
But PoE has this annoying quirk where loot is gated behind certain restrictions, either strictly or artificially.
In PoE1, an item with a "decent" amount of Resistances that feels substantial enough to warrant using it (namely, on par with a Goldrim) can't even drop until halfway through Act 6.
The resistance issue smooths out as you approach and enter maps with actually substantial modifiers, but up until that point it feels particularly bad, especially in early Act 6, which spews Fire and Cold at you in bulk in the very first 3 zones.
Many League mechanics can't drop/spawn certain things until Maps. Some don't even spawn until Maps. Some don't have acceptable drop rates of things (Breach splinters and Expedition Logbooks are major examples) until you're in the highest 3 "normal" Tiers of Maps.
You get gatekept out of Maven, Exarch, and Eater until you are in high Reds, only getting a taste of them on the road up. So if your build can't handle those maps, you just lose access to an okay supply of Eater/Exarch currency because fuck you.
It's all very ridiculous and feels extremely arbitrary. There's no reason to stay in permanent content except for early endgame EXP to bump your level up a bit to get some important nodes.

>>715490616
>In PoE1, an item with a "decent" amount of Resistances that feels substantial enough to warrant using it (namely, on par with a Goldrim) can't even drop until halfway through Act 6.
>The resistance issue smooths out as you approach and enter maps with actually substantial modifiers, but up until that point it feels particularly bad, especially in early Act 6, which spews Fire and Cold at you in bulk in the very first 3 zones.
use the fucking crafting bench and vendor recipe to make some resistance rings, retard

>>715490561
>god awful to play
fuck off tranny
>story is time travel bullshit
Have you played POE1?
>retcons [horrible character] into [at least tolerable character]
good dig at poe2 you fucking retard
jesus poe1trannies are so insufferable

>6 months in
>Still haven't added swords or axes or claws or daggers

It's a good game they're just being slow as shit with the content rollout. FULL launch was supposed to be a year after beta launch and we're half the way there with less than 1/4 the content.

>fuck off tranny
>Have you played POE1?
>good dig at poe2 you fucking retard
>jesus poe1trannies are so insufferable

>>715491045
>claws
Probably aren't coming, given some Unique Claws are being turned into Gloves.

>>715491045
pls understand we need your supporter pack purchases smol indie company

>poe 1 and 2 STILL HAS NO DAMAGE RECAP
>A FUCKING MOBILE ARPG HAS MORE QOL
New season in a few days too
poe 1 and 2 will always stay shit if they keep holding hostage obvious gameplay improvements for when they fuck up

>chink goonslop for niggers with absolutely no self awareness or taste
why even bother posting, faggot?

>>715491785
...That's not even Torchlight anymore, Jesus Christ.
Torchlight took place in a grimdark medium fantasy setting with steampunk elements.

>>715491785
Torchlight is p2w trash lmao
>inb4 buying stash tabs is the same

>>715434056 (OP)
you can still play PoE1 if you have ADHD

>>715434056 (OP)
I don't play poe anymore but it's still really fun to watch. Quin's retarded rips is always a highlight.

>m-muh pay to win stop pointing out the fact that our 10 years of development game still doesn't have keypress for pickup or damage recap
and needs you to launch 4 thirdparty tools to make the game even remotely playable

poe1 and 2 are games made bad on purpose because PLAYER FRICTION is the VISION to get you to spend 60+ dollars on stash tab "QUALITY OF LIFE"

not to mention microtransactions that literally give you a boost to performance or ingame clarity
microtransactions that point you towards rares that are offscreen

Trying way too hard.

I'll never forgive jonatroon for what he did to DoT scaling in PooP2

not an argument
poe1 and 2 remain shit forever and ever while a mobile game embarrasses you

>watching a poe1 or poe2 streamer think his name is fubgoon or something
>his gear is shit but the next day he has way better items the next time he starts stream
is that RMT?

>>715492723
just farmed off stream :)

>>715492415
Sorry, PoE 1 chud, you having game knowledge on how to scale different DoT's like poison wanting a build that has good attack/cast speed is unfair to new players so we homogenized all DoT scaling to accommodate them. You are no longer the target audience and I hate your guts.
t. Jonathan

>>715492323
>microtransactions that point you towards rares that are offscreen
This is just literally false. The supporter pack that does this only points to them when they're incredibly close to you. It did have a longer range before but got nerfed due to people complaining.
>not to mention microtransactions that literally give you a boost to performance or ingame clarity
98% of MTX make the problem worse, it is only a few skills that do this and it is certainly not them doing it on purpose. The game was just never designed for the amount of cast speed and projectiles the modern game has. It is bad coding, but not p2w lmao.

You just completely glanced over Torchlight Infinite being a p2w korean game because, what, it is okay that it is because PoE lacks a death recap? I mean I want one too, but that doesn't mean I am gonna go play TI lmao.

if I can log off and buy items its p2w lol

>>715436104
Diablo 4 is so fucking bad, dude. The game is just so bland and ugly. Your character feels weak, none of the enemies are fun to fight, getting gear sucks, there's nothing to do. The only people I know of that play it are unironic 40-year old gamer dads that somehow can only play 30 minutes a day, but also have over 2000 hours in it, while also raising their wife's son. D4 bad.

>>715436197
???
Newfag or did I get baited? Took less than a month of people to figure out all the zoomzoom teleport one-shot builds in POE2.

poe2 tried to copy diablo 4

>>715436197
They just don't want to actually make a game that anyone plays
They want higher tiers of maps to be ballcrushing simulators but they also don't want the players constantly abusing whatever is the most broken at the time to keep up with the difficulty curve. So what gives? They nerf everything good while overtuning the map mods and mobs so the game just ends up not being fun.
Players like winning. They like being challenged but making content that isn't doable by the vast majority of potential builds just repels players.

I called it from the start when I said 2 is going to have EXACTLY the same problems as 1. GGG just does not learn.

>>715494560
to think how easy the solution to this problem would be
>make game slow
>increase drops massively
there, problem solved. now you can have your 5 minute bossfight AND have the players like it because he drops 20 uniqures, 50 rares and 100 currency.
the only reason people stop playing is because casuals can't get their fix in their limited time investment.

Man I can't wait for the next season of PoE2, I've decided to play a FIRE SMASH WARRIOR or no wait, maybe something different. Maybe a LIGHTNING SHOT RANGER.

I really, really like how the build names are so simple in PoE. I sometimes get confused. I don't like how in Diablo 4 the builds are really confusing like a "shadowblight Necromancer". I don't even know what that is. I do however know what ICE is. Maybe I'll play an ICE PUNCH MONK!

>>715494827
pipe down jonathan

>>715494827
I would play poe2 a1 no pickups for a thousand hours before I would even consider touching anything nu-blizzard has produced

>>715494975
see
>>715494958

>>715486605
If I had access to source code of PoE and my bosses entire game philosophy is copy or recreate most boring and unfun aspects of it then yeah, i’d do better job

>>715444613
lol!
poe is notorious for being one of the only arpgs to shy away from this stereotype, and not in a good or elegant way. Melee abilities and "warrior" type classes have no inherent tankiness present in similar classes in other games. They do, give or take, about the same damage as casters but have to fight in close range so their more likely to get killed. Their main form of defense, armor, is laughably bad as most bosses ignore it, and their second form of defense, health, doesn't have enough passives/uniques to really support it yet. Casters have energy shield, which is basically health but 5 times as good, and that's literally all they need lolololol. They have range, have more status effects they can apply with their skills, can use summons, etc. Making melee viable has been one of the biggest asks for poe2, but unless they just give inherent crazy buffs to melee abilities(take 20% less damage while using this skill. this skill deals extreme damage if you have a large amount of health, etc.), that shit ain't happening.

>>715487621
the absolute fucking balls for some no name streamer to call himself lucky luciano

Ever notice how this game drives people literally insane? Someone is invested in insuring you don't even try it, their world will end if you play it.

>>715487827
how are u doig that

>>715495556
Defense in PoE1 is all about stacking multiple multiplicative defensive layers. Armor is very strong, but it depends upon the content you're doing. Generally your goal is to convert some amount of physical damage to elemental. That way if you take 1,000 damage then, say, 500 will be physical and 500 will be fire. The 500 physical then gets reduced by armor, endurance charges, flesh & stone, etc.
It is both interesting and kind of gay. Interesting in that it is cool to have so many different items, uniques, skills, buffs, and flasks that you can use but also gay because a marauder with a bunch of armor just still gets raped as if he were naked.

>>715487827
Pathfinder is retardedly strong and can easily reach 10,000+ regen per second with their life flask (that doesn't go away at full life, and can have 100% uptime with "perfect timing" aka use a macro).

>>715495806
I should've said at the start I was mostly talking about poe2. But melee is still pretty fucking trash in poe1 when you have to do all these conversions and mitigations just to survive, meanwhile trickster and witch just get 15k ES from their goddamn passive tree alone.

>>715495806
So what the fuck are they even testing in PoE2? Because they keep saying "well, we'll add options to make this better" and you can see some of those in the game files, and the idea of having multiple layers and converting some portion of phys so your armour actually does something has some of the building blocks. But if their plan is for pure Armour to never be a viable form of defense by itself past a certain point, and I'm not even saying that I disagree with that, I can't see them getting any meaningful data on its current application.

>>715495556
genuinely retarded post

>>715434056 (OP)
>want to play ARPG with rollslop so its like dahk sols
>its just PoE1 with less content
so this... is the vision !!

>>715495556
>take 20% less damage while using this skill.
Jeez it's almost like poe1 has this for melee already.

>>715496049
>>715496039
Well in PoE2 they are legitimately just smoking crack because the armor formula is garbage and their response is just "well, maybe we'll look at it" after they nerfed ES. People still just go ES/EV even after it got nerfed. They're being idiots.

>>715490101
>go play DMC2
>i have
>UM NO YOU DIDN'T BECAUSE I SAID SO
concession accepted anon, have a nice day

>>715495806
>a marauder with a bunch of armor just still gets raped as if he were naked.
I just don't really get why armor works the way it does. Why do big hits ignore armor? That just turns it into a binary where either you're effectively immortal or you get one shot. Is it literally just because they don't want people stacking only one form of defense? Is it because if you stack evasion you will run into the same issue of being immortal until you get one-shot? Thus, it wouldn't be fair to evasion players?

>>715446465
>Randomly pops up in a youtube video to admit that he is making a competitor to PoE focused around being like vanilla D2
wait I missed this part, he is???

>>715496443
On one hand, the devs like one-shots for every other build. On the other, ES gets to ignore it. I don't know what they're doing, honestly.

>>715496443
>you're effectively immortal or you get one shot
Is this not how armor works irl?

>>715496443
Well, if my guess the idea is that it is to make bosses dangerous. Stacking armor makes you very tanky vs regular mobs... or at least it used to but now every other rare has some kind of overwhelm physical resistance negation affix bullshit. They also make monsters that are extra accurate to fuck over evasion.
That is why shit like endurance charges, flesh & stone, phys to elemental conversion, max res, etc are all busted. Endurance charges are currently one of the best defensive layers in the game since they got reworked and are good on their own but even better when combined with other forms of defense.

It should be noted though that armor DOES become better vs bosses when you stack it to obscene levels like 200k as an armor stacker, but that requires a crazy amount of investment.

>>715496589
Anon, frankly, even like 15k ES is not that much ES and you still get oneshot if all you have is ES. Now, you ARE correct that ES when combined with other defensive layers is retarded. You cannot get 15k life, but you can get 30k+ ES which also ends up giving damage and when combined with defensive layers gives like 1M effective HP. The tankiest builds are always ES, but I just wanna say that 15k ES in and of itself doesn't do a whole lot.

>>715496569
Yes, he did an interview with some boomer d2 dev and he announced in the video he is and there is even a link to his new vidya company.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3UguCrouE4&ab_channel=ChrisWilson

>>715496675
In PoE2 15k ES is enough to tank just about anything short of Arbiter's shit and it's not especially hard to reach either.

>>715496717
https://lightpattern.com/ forgot the link to his gaming company he started. He likely poached a few of the GGG devs along with him. I forgot their names, but one of them recently left GGG suddenly and it only makes sense he went with Chris.

>>715496717
There must be some serious bad blood for him to publicly pretend POE2 never happened

>>715496443
Well the idea is that you're supposed to avoid big hits, and your armor protects from small ones, but it's all kind of a pile of shit. The devs have no intentions of making it better.

>>715496781
I am talking about PoE1. In PoE2 it is more difficult to reach 15k ES but yes, due to the game having basically no defensive layers just getting a large ES pool is better than most anything you can do with life.
GGG have still not balanced life and ES. In PoE1 the main reason to go life based is either for a unique interaction (such as petrified blood, bloodlust support, etc) or because it is radically cheaper than ES.
In PoE2, ES is really not that much more expensive than Life and there is 0 support for life on the tree, but tons for ES.

>>715496619
Anon, there's a huge spectrum of injuries an armored man can take, and you can't just heal them off by using a flask.

>>715496847
As I said earlier, GGG never even mentioned him leaving and hid it for like 2 years even though he was the face of the game and the company for over a decade. I surmise that the breakup was pretty bad and or Tencent was aware he was starting his own gaming company and decided they'd give him no publicity.

>>715434056 (OP)
>make moment-to-moment encounters take 10 times as long as in poe 1
>keep the same DOGSHIT drop rates
It truly is.

>>715496443
>That just turns it into a binary where either you're effectively immortal or you get one shot.
So just like a real armor? Mount & Blade has the same system where Armor isn't damage reduction stat and no amount of armor will save you from getting an axe to the face but with plate armor when looters throw rocks at you they do 0 damage.

Reason why it works like that in PoE is because Evasion is the exact opposite. Evasion can make your character "evade" a giant meteor crashing from the sky but the evasion stat goes down the more you get attacked in 3 seconds. So Armor can ignore a volley of arrows but needs to dodge the giant monster fist and Evasion can completely mitigate giant monster first but gets destroyed by a volley of arrows.

>>715496202
>>715496039

>>715487621
ZOMG! Did they get some amazing exclusive hopium content such as the NEXT HELLTIDE RECOLOR?!!!
holy kek D4 is dead and buried you dumb nigger faggot

>>715497178
hey, relax with the slurs this is a christian imageboard...

>>715436275
Yeah but PoE players don't actually want to play PoE
It's just the ARPG way. Optimize the game out of the game until you are effectively playing Microsoft Excel because numbers is all that matters, and if you have to pay any sort of attention or, heaven forbid, engage with the video game, then you are a complete noob with a shitty build
This genre stole something like 5000 hours of my time before the realization crystallized that I actually hate ARPGs and have since somewhere about the thousand hour mark. Now, out of purest altruism, I plead for people to avoid the trap which I was caught in for so long.

>>715487621
>Have a lot planned.
>"We announce a new mechanic called Ghost Tide. Its like Helltide but green!"
>"We announce new character class called Better Warrior. That will be 80 bucks please."

>>715497269
>Yeah but PoE players don't actually want to play PoE
>It's just the ARPG way.
Nobody is complaining about PoE 2 bosses though, aside from bugged oneshots. So clearly players don't mind longer fights as long as they're epic. Nobody likes loot pinata bosses that die in a nanosecond, player retention for Last Epoch was supershort last expansion.

>>715497230
christians (and God) hate fags

>boots are now pretty much the only way to get movement speed
>movement speed implicit on boots? get the fuck out of here, you move through molasses and you enjoy it
3000 hours in PoE1 but I don't think PoE2's vision is for me. For everything I like about PoE2, there's 2 things I don't like. At least I got the game for free.

>>715499190
It is insane how they made the maps so large yet you move so fucking slow in PoE2. If they just gave boots like 10-20% MS implicits on boots it would help a lot. Also add some fucking way to reduce the armor MS penalty.

>>715434056 (OP)
I went back to Last Epoch, gonna probably pick up Titan Quest 2 since that will be out before PoE 2 1.0.

>>715499550
Last Epoch was fun for a bit, but they clearly got worried over the response to PoE2 and the loot issues so they went the other way. Playing the SSF guild (I forget the name, the celestial fuckers) you just get so much loot it is actually insane. I didn't take down Uber Abberoth just cause my build was not really made for a boss like that (too squishy) but I could get him to like 50% before an inevitable fuckup got me killed. The issue is that every other piece of content was too easy. Regular Abberoth died in like 10 seconds.

>>715499667
Well they've got plenty of time to course correct for their next major update all things considered.

>>715499727
Sure, I am curious to check it out but I am also a bit worried. I didn't play any of the updates since release, and this league actually felt like 1.0. The game's 1.0 release felt incredibly unfinished and this feels like "Okay, this is a game" but I worry the next league (season, whatever terminology they use) will just add a little bit more and I'll be bored within a few days.
However, I do think that overall it is more fun than D4 and a fine enough game to play. They really, really, REALLY need to work on the sound design though. It actually might have some of the worst sound design in like, any game I've played in recent memory.

>>715499190
>I should be able to zoom through the map in 10 seconds!
>WAAAHHH what the fuck what are these random oneshots balance the game GGG!
You can't have it both ways. A game where player moves stupidly fast is pretty much impossible to balance right. All the speedrun games have insta-respawns, you die 10+ times per map and the emphasis is on beating clear times instead of meaningful combat for this reason.

>one mob out 40 on screen manages to touch you
>900 damage
>stun
>dead

>>715499813
Yeah they really should get a new sound guy. Or a few.

>>715500049
They also need some new voice acting. Lagon's voice acting is peak "We got a guy in the studio to do temporary VA work for a boss in development"

>>715500158
He sounds more like the story writer doing his best pompous santa claus impression.

>>715499892
Have they even fixed shit like the charms not working right yet, last I saw they didn't apply to the hit that triggers them

>>715500284
>>715500158
They should hire a Jabba the Hutt impersonator from fiver if that's their budget honestly.

>>715500460
they should hire me, I can do better VA work than that.

>>715500158
Did you play the current league? I was shocked, they actually recast Lagon's voice actor and redid all his voice lines.
Still doesn't solve the rest of that game's shitty presentation, like the tone I doubt even the devs could summarize, but it helps.

>>715500875
>Did you play the current league? I was shocked, they actually recast Lagon's voice actor and redid all his voice lines.
What? Is there a new one? I played the web league when it launched, was there another? His voice was definitely the same when I played.

>>715500935
It was the web league, and it was most definitely not the same when you played.

>>715442679
filtered

>>715486892
i've started to believe the Anonymous who said he worked at ggg and Johnathan is a complete bullshit artist, Chris was fired but under NDA to not discuss anything, the devs have no guidance/constantly contradictory shit being demanded from them and Tencent is starting to get pissed off while Johnathan keeps sacrificing his underlings to save himself.

>>715500875
>>715502021
Thats just clever use of resources. PoE 2 Act 1 smith and Heist League mind control dude also have the same voice actor. Odds are both characters lines were recorded at the same time and voice acting for PoE 2 Act 1 was recorded as far back as Heist League.

>>715502435
I mean, at this point everything is true minus the weird tranny shit he was talking about. We've seen no employees of theirs that are like that.

>>715502864
Wasn't the larper just some rando they invited to a closed beta event? All his "information" was just the trailer footage and Reddit hearsay.

>>715502953
I mean maybe, but he was spot on about a lot of shit. Chris leaving, swords not even being remotely close to done (the china interview says around 1.0 for them), the state of the endgame, etc. It is possible he saw the press preview and then somehow just guessed the rest, but it is looking more and more likely.

>supposed to hit 1.0 in six months
>we don't even have all the fucking weapons yet
>three full months for a patch that's literally just paid cosmetics from the first game

>>715503042
>he was spot on about a lot of shit.
And completely fucking wrong about most of it. He said no Huntress either.

>>715503162
I don't have the poste off hand but huntress didn't come at release and came months later.

PoE players I'm on my fucking knees here, please actually engage with this genre and play other games in it.

>>715503380
The dev larper made his post between 0.1 and 0.2

>>715504563
The only one that looked fun to me is No Rest For The Wicked and that's more an ARPG inspired Soulslike.

>>715504563
I've played most of the big ARPGs and some of the smaller ones. None of them are worth replaying after your first time. LE is fine and I'll check out a new season. D4 is terrible. I'll try TQ2 when it releases. But in terms of regularly updated ARPGs? It is just PoE1/2 that are worth anything.

>>715504780
Please play Torchlight

>>715505091
I played Torchlight 2. It was alright. I beat the game and got to what I think was a postgame grind sort of thing and I was going to continue but I lost my save file and I have never thought about revisiting it.

>>715505091
Torchlight 1/2 are alright. Infinite is actually p2w Korean crap.

>>715505238
Fair

>>715505269
Yeah, really a shame what happened to the series after 2.

>>715504563
Hello retard I've played every new arpg which comes out and all the old ones. Poe 1 just clears the competition. Grim dawn was good though highly recommend

>>715503062
it's absolutely not hitting 1.0 in six months. It doesn't look like it's releasing before Q3 2026 at the earliest

>>715505382
You are such a small minority of the overall PoE playerbase lets be honest, it being free means its the only reference point for like 95% of them.

At the end of the day they've promised the game for the general audience and they have failed.
They've promises ARPG and they have failed as it's badly done souls like with EMT.
They've promised fun and they have provided it through the painful experience.
PoOp2 is a massive failure.

>>715505985
>They've promised fun and they have provided it through the painful experience.
There's a compelling argument that is what's fun, though, the problem people have is the scale of it. We've been over this in this thread but something like Last Epoch has terrible player retention and this reason contributes to it, the game is too easy to keep people playing it so they don't feel accomplished or like there's a point to continuing to min-max their build.

>>715434056 (OP)
launch version was the best and then they started listening to reddit

>>715505091
I would love to but WASD movement is too good

I haven't tried 2 but i cannot imagine myself grinding for an hour or two just to get that sweet +2% chance to block.

>>715445495
Normies with sunk cost fallacy are chimping out to the OG PoE players who went back to the 1st game because the 2nd game is not an addicting and replayable game. The OG PoE players know that these poo2 players are lame people.

cringe game

>early access game is a rugpull