The last Final Fantasy.

>>715629976 (OP)
God bless Lightning

>>715629976 (OP)
in a way, yeah. square enix began to REALLY pander to westerners with 15 and 16, 13 still felt somewhat like a classic ff

>>715629976 (OP)
it's weird how both the FF -2 installments have tried to iterate on and "fix" the battle system of their mainline title, but have had fucked story and progression as well.

XIII's battle system is fun in theory but only whne you have
>most or all party members
>a good number of paradigms per party member
>3 party members available

any sections where you're stuck with only set people suck, any sections before you have more paradigms have very little decision making, and any of the godawful times you're stuck with just two people REALLY suck.

xiii-2 fixes that by giving you two permanent party members and the monster system right out of the gate, a lot more flexibility, but the plot is a dumbfuck series of time bubble plot threads revisiting AUs of FFXIII's setting that few people cared about (especially for an FF setting before 2015, people used to get INTO those things), and the overall arc-plot also sucks.

and then Lightning Returns I never played because I don't give a fuck about daughterwife lightning's big ending.

>>715629976 (OP)
The actual Final Fantasy, one might say

>>715633571
What about XIII-2?

I love Lightning

>>715629976 (OP)
I thought the same thing. The vibe if the IP changed too much after it.

>>715631710
>Lightning Returns I never played
LR is a top 5 FF game and I'm not kidding
It's the greatest ATB game ever made the moment you put block and dodge on your equipped abilities

>>715634278
I'll consider it, but
a) I hate the realtime-ification of FF combat so "block and dodge in ATB" sounds not up my street and
b) I don't like lightning as a character, I don't care for the FNC setting

it's not the only FF game I've avoided because I don't like a character speak to wuk lamat

but I'm listening if you want to change my mind on the combat, for real. I will at least read it with an open mind, anon to anon.

>>715634592
nta and I haven't played LR since release but I remember really liking the combat once it clicked. Imagine if instead of paradigms you have loadouts, so three sets of weapon/armor/accessory you switch between in combat. Early on you can find an accessory that gives your current loadout 90% damage reduction but it will do almost no outgoing damage, so right there that enables a tank loadout kind of like Sentinel. You basically turn Lightning into a JRPG party of her own when you're clever with how you equip your loadouts.

>>715634592
>>715634909
He is mentioning it right.
XIII you have to swap between paradigms and build your loadout with your party but in LR you just give Lightning 3 different loadouts that you can switch instantly to just by pressing a single button. Blocking can be timed properly to parry attacks, but you don't even need to parry if you want, you can just go full tank mode and eat the attack; think swapping to Sentinel to raise your defense. Also dodging can be timed to make an enemy whiff and be completely open to an attack.
The basics are still the same, stagger build shit.

Also in regards to the story I actually thought the FNC lore was fucking retarded and gay UNTIL I played and beat LR and then I went back and replayed XIII and XIII-2 and a bit of XV for good measure and appreciated it.

>>715629976 (OP)
ok but which one was the last GOOD Final Fantasy? i know its not this trash

>>715634278
doesn't lightning returns have some sort of time limit? i hate that kid of thing

>>715637503
Lightning Returns is a run-based game but doing a new game plus is part of its design.

This is the proper way to play LR: You don't level up from fights or enemies, you only get stat increases by doing and completing quests. You should immediately go to Chocolina and grab every sidequest you can and then, at your own pace, just play the game at your leisure. Do whatever quests you want, do them whenever you want, just explore the world and do the story as you please.

You will eventually hit the final day, and you will be given the option to new game plus with all of your items and stats carried over.
The important point here is every single side quest is available again. You can do every single quest again to get a stat increase. You'll pick up quests that you already did, but you will probably now already have the required materials for turn in or something, so now you're getting stat increases for free instantly.
Your clock is now way more lenient, you have way more time to do the quests you didn't get around to doing, and the ones you DID already do, well you already know how to solve them, so you can go do those quests in a fraction of the time, get the stat increase rewards, and continue on to stuff you didn't do.
You can do this infinitely, you can always reach the door to the final boss and just reset it again whenever you want.

That's how the game was meant to be played, it's just not explained well or even advertised well.

>>715638071
how weird.

>>715635557
>>715634909
interesting, but for me having multiple characters I get to tweak is part of the appeal of a jrpg.
so basically you have 3 "characters" equipped and only one of them is out at a time?

>>715638071
>You will eventually hit the final day, and you will be given the option to new game plus with all of your items and stats carried over.

Let me add that unless you're really good at the game, it's extremely unlikely you're going to even be at the final boss by the time the final day hits your first playthrough. You are expected to reset the world and try again, not finish it your first try. You eventually will have fun racing against the clock and speedrunning quests without fear of the timer because you're now good at the game. You'll find yourself with several full days left of free time by the time you're actually ready to fight the final boss.

>>715633979
this card is so insanely busted

>>715633979
I loathe what MtG has become. I quit and sold my entire collection when the first Universe Beyond cards were revealed and NOT roundly rejected by the community; the writing was on the wall and I feel so Vindicated that I think 1WB must have been spent.

>>715629976 (OP)
>another FFXIII thread
Fucking based.

>>715629976 (OP)
>FF cycle again

>>715638683
she's real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sell me on this game.

>>715630798
>God
Does Anon know?

>>715633979
Any true FF fan does, if they've played her games.

>>715639310
She has Returned, if you will.

>>715639404
>absolutely bitching OST packed with memorable motifs and variety
>world changing events of epic proportions
>deeply provocative mythos and world history, very much a 'true to life' fantasy world
>Space Mecha Jew Satan created a Fake Paradise filled with his Goyim and Master Mason slaves, become the Warrior of Light to free the Goyim and kill Mechanical Satan (hell yeah)
>memorable main villain transforms into a wall of faces who all sing his battle music
>straddles multiple genres and settings like a true FF should
>truly unique ATB battle system unlike what came before in a different game, complete with most series staple spells and status effects
>multiple protagonists, choose who and how you want to play
>unique set designs around every corner packed with beautiful hand crafted pre rendered backgrounds and skyboxes
>series staple designs have been reimagined in ingenius mechanical ways (Summons are Transformers, Bahamut becomes a Dragon Car and Odin becomes his own horse that you ride)
>perhaps the best graphics in the series, style and fidelity coming together at it's peak, still no game since has actually surpassed it's variety and colorful elegance

It takes a long time to get going, but it has stunning visuals, music, and some pretty emotional storytelling. There's not a lot of the typical trappings of a JRPG, it's a movie game and is carried by audio/visuals more than interactivity. But the battle system is tremendous, and the game is worth seeing to the end. It's an unforgettable journey.

>>715639926
i thought she was a reddit atheist tho>>715639559

>>715640227
"God" is Satan, kiddo

>>715640303
nigger what?

>>715640382
Bruh is still sleeping

>>715629976 (OP)
We are finally in the point in time where FFXIII receives praise without one being considered a contrarian. I dunno if it is because I was younger, but this was really the last FF that gave me FF vibes. I really enjoy FFXIV, and FFXV would be incredible if the story was told right and FFXVI would be a good non FF game, but 13 was the last one that the music stuck with me, graphics were high end (its still beautiful today) and even thought it was strange as fuck storywise, I loved it.
Also, I loved 13-2 too, specially the ending.

That being said, FFXIII trilogy when?

>becomes the Goddess in the flesh who walks amongst her flock at the end of her trilogy
Not many characters in video games have ever ascended to the heights that she has.

If it's the last Final Fantasy how cum there's 16 of them?

>>715638646
MtG has become the fortnite of card games. complete creative entropy and assimiation of other creative properties.

>>715641558
because their writers arent loser faggots who have a mary sue complex

these games sucked (though they did some things right) and no amount of time will change that

>>715631710
the only actual problem with ff13's gameplay is the first few chapters that are literally just regular attack and potion for some insane reason, and the fact that most people who play jrpgs play them in the slowest, safest and most boring way possible and then call the game bad.
if ff13 required you to play on the level you need to 5 star every fight it would filter most people who played it but it would also get a lot less complaints about how you're just doing the same things the whole game until everyone unlocks every role at the endgame because you would be forced to understand what tools you actually have instead of having a medic up 100% of the time and chipping enemies to death.
game definitely needs to explain its mechanics like how paradigm shifts instantly refill ATB as long as its been like 20s since the last one

>>715638071
>>715634278
lightning returns is just a medicore valkyrie profile sequel with a final fantasy coat of paint, same developer and everything

>>715629976 (OP)
It feels like the last title with some connection to the classic square titles I agree, 15 and 16 are so far removed wtf were they thinking

>>715641729
I know. /tg/ is my native board.
I played MtG from lorwyn onwards, and I still consider myself a newfag to the game in some part of my brain the same way wrathbabs consider themselves new to wow.

I watched it unfold. I arrived with planeswalkers, and I watched mythic rares and NWO design and every other stone on the path to 2025 MtG be laid. I got off the same way a frog should climb out of the pot before the fire is turned on... I think. I'd been feeling less invested over time and not bought much, and then the Walking Dead shit came out and I just said "No, this is the beginning of a new paradigm fitting for an FF13 thread and I am not here for it."
they announced the walkign dead crossover on the heels of releasing the powercreep soup of Eldraine, and that was what it took for me to go from "I'm leaving the cards on the shelf, for a better time" to "I'm fucking DONE"

>>715641067
Remaster is much sooner than we think

Vanille

>>715642438
Is this a guess or information?

>>715642945
It's Hope.

>>715642503
We love her over here
She's better than Aerith IMO

>>715638646
I do feel bad for the MtG players having to watch their game turn into Fortnite. I'm an MtG tourist (haven't played since RTR block) but a big FF fan so this whole set has been really exciting for me and FF feels like the perfect fit for a set, but I know you have to deal with Spider-Man and Spongebob and shit being in MtG now which sucks.

>>715643847
It's honestly the fat end of the wedge which makes it less bad.
The overall direction of the game felt like it jumped the rails in War of the Spark and never recovered. Sets became significantly more "safe tourism to a planet of hats" after that, mechanics got worse, art had already become very bland artstation digital paint mill stuff.
They're scared to offend anyone, to boot.

Now, understand that I hate the FF set existing, but I can at least say the FF set art is generally good and the cards often feel like they represent a given FF thing in MtG's mechanics fairly well.
That's far better than the LotR set, where they uh... please understand this is a sore subject on /tg/ but they race-lifted a lot of characters, seemingly at random. Asian Gandalf. Racially diverse hobbits. Black Aragorn. but also paid no attention to the kind of styles of dress or weapons that would look right in tolkein fantasy - there was a lot of more generic fantasy and Game of Thrones looking shit in there.

So the FF set is like, the least sinful of the bunch in my eyes.
It's the kind of stuff where if it was a fan set I'd love it. If it was people spitballing "If you were gonna represent this in MtG, how would you do it?"
but I don't want every fan set to be standard legal, y'know?

it's OK though. I'm out. Those still playing have made their beds.

>>715643847
>>715638646
>>715641729
>>715642314
Oh please. Game was shit before it became Fortnite.
TCGs in the west suck because everyone is trying to be an "investor" just like with retro games

>>715631095
>13 still felt somewhat like a classic ff
LMFAO

>>715631095
No, 15 was more JP than western. 16 was full blown game of thrones tier writing in the worse sense and the shift from american to english accent shows

>>715644301
I think what anon meant is that 13 still felt JAPANESE. 16 is soulless HBO-pandering garbage

>>715629976 (OP)
No, that was arguably XII which was sabotaged by suits.
XIII is a pure SE game and it shows. The game and cast wasn't really popular but they really wanted people to like them so we got a sequel but that didn't change anything. So they wanted to cut their losses and wanted people to like the MC which is why we got a second sequel for a game nobody really liked that much
>>715641902
>5 star rating
You mean the shit that never really mattered?
The game is just boring

>>715644301
>>715644490
No no, he's right. There are 6 Jobs, the same as the original game. Commands are tied directly to those Jobs. Healing command is only on the Medic role, Fire command is only on Ravager, Attack command is only on the Commando, etc. It's actually a very traditional JRPG in the sense of being strict with Jobs/Commands.

The mixing and matching of those 6 Jobs into the party paradigms is where the meat of the game lies, but it is still entirely based around those very basic 6 Jobs.

>>715629976 (OP)
The FF13 experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPtq1Bpf6q4

>>715644812
Hallways can be kino

>>715644812
And it's still better than XV and XVI, lol

FF16 was unironically the best game in the series since 10. Just because it was in the same genre as Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden rather than the same genre as every other main numbered game in the FF series doesn't mean shit; quality is quality.

>>715646109

>>715644812
i just played FFX, and that game is only hallways too, still considered the best FF by many

>>715646250
>Just because it's nothing like FF doesn't mean shit
Yeah it means that the millions of people who bought a Final Fantasy game, instead received a half baked HBO bait game full of empty references. The worst party, the worst itemization, the worst roleplaying, the worst exploration, and the worst rewards.

>quality is quality
The quality isn't in any kind of combat design or RPG mechanical design. Quality really only exists in spectacle.

>>715646250
16 is the worst game in the series by default thanks to what it meant.

>>715646793
>The legacy of the crystals has shaped our history for too long
Subversive dog shit theming. It's been done a million times before with every modern reboot too already. Lazy shit. Why can't we just get an ACTUAL classical high fantasy world, Final Fantasy with bright colors and a hopeful melancholy resolution? I'm sick and tired of gray/hopelessness/grimdark. It has a time and a place, but it doesn't belong in Final Fantasy.

>>715647342
yuu wiru getto youru GoTsuroppu ando yuu wiru rike itto

>>715647793
I'm sure he's a really nice guy, the best, honestly
But I need him and his no ideas having ass to get 1000 feet away from Final Fantasy immediately

>>715646250
I liked it at first but thinking about it more and more the flaws I ignored built up because there were a lot of things that were bad about it that I just forgot, ignored or got used to when I really wished they'd really be different.

We build up a lot to Jill and Clive being together and , she emphasizes over and over to not do this alone and that she needs him but then they separate for the last fight and clive dies, so yeah, fuck her I guess.

The combat was build around three eikons at least so you're playing hours and hours with just two meaning that the combat feels slow and dogshit early game, it was also pretty basic spamming your cooldowns, it'd be more fun if we had a 4th eikon slot or could switch between presets mid fight and use most of our eikon abilities.

Odin sucked, the other dominants were way coooler and way more interesting. Barnabas was just a really strong cuck.

Ultima's backstory was just the story of the ascians from FF14, again except way worse because the ascians actually ended up being conflicted, complex and built up different emotions and ideas of what was happening but Ultima was just deadset on his goal with no depth, he just wanted it to have it.

Also there was a loooot of enemy reuse for the main story especially around the end.

>>715629976 (OP)
The last Final Fantasy will always be the one where Sakaguchi worked on it for the last time wich also happens to be the best one.

>>715639404
It sucks and only Lightning schizos defend it aka, the Barry of FFXIII.

>>715647342
Kind of a sad thought the most colorful and fantastical world we may see in the coming decade for FF is just going to be FF9 again. Provided that remake goes through.

>>715642503
>>715643565
she's the cutest

>>715648536
>it's the best one
>furries everywhere
>brown
>does absolutely nothing new gameplay wise whatsoever
>worst Limit Break system ever
>jammed full of nothing but references
>massively overshadowed by both the previous and following games
>completely forgotten about within a year
It's a good game but it's not the best. Only Redditors like to spam that horse shit opinion in every FF thread. Same with the FFV hipsters. Anyone that proudly claims FFIX or FFV are the best are bullshit contrarians. Sorry.

>>715648753
FFIX Remake is complete vaporware and I hope you didn't actually get your hopes up for it. Until the day it's announced, it doesn't exist. The obvious decision for them is to remake FFVIII or FFX next not IX. Nvidia leaks be damned, there's plenty of stuff there that was cancelled long ago.

>>715631710
>XIII's battle system is fun in theory but only whne you have
>>most or all party members
>>a good number of paradigms per party member
>>3 party members available
5-starring encounters with two limited paradigm characters is a different type of challenge than 5-starring encounters with three unlimited paradigm characters. i rejected the 20 hour tutorial IGN meme and i appreciated the game more. you can do the same if you like it.

>>715649069
>obvious decision
No one at management gives a shit about FF8 so at at best FF10 will get some attention in coming years.
9 was chosen due to strong sales in recent years for such an old title and not needing anyone from CS1, treated as a side project.

>>715649069
also for posterity
>Tetra Master is the worst mini game in the entire series, has no thematic integration whatsoever, and is made mandatory in the middle of the story for no reason. Both Triple Triad and Blitzball completely mogged it into totally forgotten irrelevancy
>Quina is the worst member of a Final Fantasy party, period
>Other party members completely fail to make any sort of impression outside of the core of Zidane, Garnet, Vivi and Steiner
>Literal JRPG deus ex macguffin ancient evil final boss out of nowhere that sucks the wind out of an already tired and trope ridden adventure
The best Final Fantasy game can't possibly have so many detracting elements that are considered some of the worst in the series

>>715650198
>9 was chosen
Source that the game exists at all?
>due to strong sales in recent years
Source?? I mean come on

>>715643847
I quit MtG in 2003 because I felt it was getting cheesy. Fortnite is spazzy crap but it doesn't pretend to not be, and it's fun. I'd rather play Fortnite.

>>715629976 (OP)
The only Final Fantasy.

>>715629976 (OP)
Lightning is a Goddess

>>715629976 (OP)
that was dissidia, but yeah, i agree.

>>715650570
For me it's the 5'10" Taiwanese Goddess that dresses up like her

>>715650318
The latter you can very easily look up for yourself. In 2019 reported at 6m, 2025 reported at almost 9m. That's outperforming both their latest big FF releases.

>>715649234
Only person with a braim beyond narratives in the entire thread and only person actually proven to have played the game.

>>715646109
it hurt but is true, man how deep has final fanasty fallen...

>>715650683
Thats a man

>>715650702
So when was it "chosen" to be the next Remake you think if the Remaster only came out in 2019? You think a handful of a million sales in 2 years for a modern port is enough of a calculated risk to greenlight a full scale AAA remake of this game that never performed as well as its contemporaries did? I just don't buy that, mate. Until it's announced, it simply does not exist or indeed has been long cancelled. Remember, FFVII Remake was announced 5 years before it came out.

>>715650993
Not even close, tranny obsessed shitposter. She's a woman.

I really enjoyed the paradigm shifting + stagger battle system.

The problem with FF13 is that everything else sucked some serious shit. The characters, the setting, the plot, etc.

But the combat was good once they gave full control to the player. It had a rhythm and flow that just worked. Felt hectic and yet controllable.

>>715650570
i remember that the ff13 director was obsessed with lighting, uhm, i wonder what that guy is doing right now.

>>715651442
Remaster came out in 2016.
>full scale AAA remake of this game
Mid budget.

>>715644760
There is more to FF than just navigating through menus

>>715644490
If you mean by japanese, that it was some convoluted mess, then yeah.
l'Cie, Fal'Cie, fuck off with that shit. You're running the entire game through some empty corridors, you don't even have proper shops.
Characters and stories aren't interesting either.
When you get to explore, it's just some empty plains then you decide to go back to kick destiny/god in its ass and take fate into your hands

>>715651487
>The characters, the setting, the plot sucked serious shit
Oh shut up you dick! I guarantee if I asked you to explain something, anything about the characters/setting/plot of XIII, you'd fail to describe it accurately at all. You're likely someone that played it 15 years ago with the volume turned off and have next to zero details stored in your memory on what the game was even about and you probably confuse the names and motivations of the characters too. The battle system is objectively great though, no argument there. At least you remember that part. So you get a 50% grade.

>>715652018
>2016
Okay then that's even worse for the hypothetical. Only around 3 million sales at around $20 MSRP over 9 years truly isn't an impressive success. It's just fine. Compare the same exact 9 year time frame to FFX HD Remaster and you see it's sold more than double.
>Mid budget
I don't buy Square Enix doing a mid budget remake of such an important game if they believe it's actually a success. Especially considering this has been in development for....how long?

>>715651764
he's doing the FF7 Remake trilogy alongside Kitase and Nomura

>>715646775
>>715646793
But the other SE FF games weren't really traditional turnbased games either

>>715652565
Play Final Fantasy VII Rebirth to completion and then come back and tell other people you think FFXVI is an acceptable entry in this JRPG franchise

>>715650318
>>Literal JRPG deus ex macguffin ancient evil final boss out of nowhere that sucks the wind out of an already tired and trope ridden adventure
>The best Final Fantasy game can't possibly have so many detracting elements that are considered some of the worst in the series
Yeah, we know. It's one of the things people criticize the game for. Thematically (even the arena) would make more sense to fight Hades than that weird bald guy

>>715644537
>You mean the shit that never really mattered?
you get better rewards and finish the fight much faster instead of wasting tons of your irl time because you refuse to engage with the mechanics
>The game is just boring
because you play it in a boring way

>>715633979
>no pit art
SAD

>>715652706
It's the best SE FF game after Remake/Rebirth

>>715646250
ff16 is both a worse action rpg, a worse story and feels less like a traditional final fantasy game then jacks game did, team ninja made ff15 and 16 look like a complete fucking joke and they did it on a budget of 20 dollars

>>715652446
I thought it was just an unsuccessful title hyped up by contrarians, now it's suddenly an important game?

>>715652502
>he's doing the FF7 Remake trilogy alongside Kitase and Nomura

he is going to make a ff13 remake, isn’t he?

>>715652883
>X-2
>XII
>XIII
>XIII-2
>Lightning Returns
>XV Royal
>Fucking Stranger of Paradise by Team Ninja even
I put XVI below all of them, really.

>>715652986
I said it was a good game though. I also said it wasn't the best game. It was outshined by both the games that preceded and followed it. None of this is contradictory. All of it is true. It's an important game, because it's a mainline numbered Final Fantasy title. You're just getting upset now because I said the game is overrated, in a thread discussing FFXIII. Go somewhere else.

>>715653192
Did she inspire Expedition 33 or what?

>>715652848
I played the stupid game and getting a 5 star score isn't really that difficult
> finish the fight much faster instead of wasting tons of your irl time because you refuse to engage with the mechanics
Wow, really? A JRPG has a system where you use the weaknesses of enemies, you can save resources and time.
Oh wait, you don't really save resources because you get completely regenerated after each battle and there isn't really anything to save other than time.
people understand the stupid paradigm system, it's just boring and people expected more after X and XII, especially regarding the character progression.
>muh roses
I fucking hate Toriyama and you can still see he's spreading his retarded ideas in that FF committee.

>>715629976 (OP)
that game is gay as fuck

>muh roses
You have a room temperature IQ and you need to leave this thread immediately. Go shitpost about Steam charts or something. This thread is for Final Fantasy.

>>715653339
Not at all, you just stopped making sense, but that's all right. Continue about FF13.

>>715653339
XII was sabotaged/ruined by SE but I consider it still Squaresoft for some retarded reason
>XIII
>XIII-2
>Lightning Returns
>XV Royal
Yes
>Stranger of Paradise
Isn't it a spinoff? It was close to greatness too story wise but then it got kinda retarded again.
But it's good
>>715652950
Jack's game could've been a lot better but I understand that they couldn't do much different with the budget. Some city/hub would've been nice desu

>>715638071
Fuck. Nobody explained it that way at all. Thanks bro, might actually try it now

>>715652446
It has been a long time since I played it and maybe my opinion would change. But short of a remaster or remake, I don't think I'll ever revisit it.

I would definitely play a remaster though if they also removed the game over when main char dies BS.

>>715653563
It's a XIII thread though

>>715653431
>, it's just boring and people expected more after X and XII
you mean the game where you one shot every enemy besides a boss by swapping to the correct character (throw ball at bird, throw spell at flan, ect ect) and an unironic autobattler single player mmo with less mechanics then ff11? you don't have MP in 13 because they moved the strategy from macro level "do I spend fire 3 or is fire 1 good enough for these guys?" to a micro level "do I wait for a full ATB of spells or do I release it early to keep this combo/stagger going? can I take another hit to push stagger or do I need a medic asap" stuff. being able to further optimize paradigm shifts to reset atb and do a fight that much more effiecient is a lot more engaging then figuring out the strategy to the boss and then doing it for 5 minutes until you win because there's a hard cap on how well you can actually play the game beyond having larger numbers in something like FFX

let's not pretend post NES final fantasy games have actually had resource management like you're in a dungeon crawler, you either drown in healing items 5 hours into the game or there's a spot to use a tent/full recovery save point every 10 minutes. ff13 saves me the hassle of sitting there pretending chugging some of my 99 hi potions after every single fight is good gameplay

>>715652446
>Oh shut up you dick! I guarantee if I asked you to explain something, anything about the characters/setting/plot of XIII, you'd fail to describe it accurately at all. You're likely someone that played it 15 years ago with the volume turned off and have next to zero details stored in your memory on what the game was even about and you probably confuse the names and motivations of the characters too. The battle system is objectively great though, no argument there. At least you remember that part. So you get a 50% grade.
Weird that this only happens with XIII though.
People don't have that much of a problem with that when it's about older FF games. Curious.
Almost as if people actually enjoyed spending time with those games

>>715654198
You just select the thing the enemy is weak to, just like every other FF.
Don't fool yourself. XIII is not deep. Stagger system was a neat idea though but it's just another bar you keep track of and again you fill it up by using weaknesses
> ff13 saves me the hassle of sitting there pretending chugging some of my 99 hi potions after every single fight is good gameplay
Too bad you have to play +20 hours of the game to get to the part where it becomes somewhat fun to play :^)

>>715654279
before the remakes ff7 was so poorly misunderstood by people who play it that they thought aeri(th) dying was the only big plot twist in the game and if pressed for details could only say something about cloud is a big sad boy with a big sword and sephiroth has a bigger sword and looks cool in fire and a black guy and a dog are there along with fat tifa tits

This is like those kids that're trying to convince people that Sonic '06 was good actually. Morbid to watch

>>715653620
What doesn't make sense to me, is pretending that a game that costs $6 right now, is somehow in any way "outperforming" FFVII Rebirth PC port that's sold over a million copies in 6 months, generating more money than the FFIX port has in nearly a decade. Just doesn't make a lick of sense to me! Seems like an ulterior motive is at play here, to make a baseless statement like that in a thread that has nothing to do with that game. I do hope FFIX Remake is real though, not just for your sake, but because I love Final Fantasy and want to play Final Fantasy games!

>>715653779
It's a spin off of course but it honors the legacy of FF in an action RPG format in a really, really satisfying way that could easily work in a bigger budget, mainline game. Great Jobs, great masculine action, great boss fights. The only thing its missing is, yeah, some deeper polish and budget. A city, real exploration. A new Stranger of Paradise type action RPG game that is surrounding a different game (I say Final Fantasy V because Jobs) would be fantastic.

>>715654117
>removed the game over when main char dies BS
Yeah, it's annoying. But to be honest, it's a part of balance. Playing Persona it's the exact same rules, and it doesn't really bother me there. I think "change party leader" in battle is a major feature though that should have been added in to a FFXIII "final mix" a long time ago. I have more faith in a FFXIII Remaster than I do FFIX Remake.

>>715654137
Yeah, which is why anyone mocking the rose concept should just leave!

>>715654279
I played it for the first time last year though and I remember more things about FFXIII than I do FFXVI, which was a bloated and boring gray modern mess in comparison to a colorful and classic ATB JRPG like FFXIII.

>>715654765
We can do worse. Imagine anyone liking FF8 to 12, then 14 up to 16.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee2WUJYdQWM

The funniest part is...I won't even be there. I'm too busy playing Death Stranding 2.

help me out, bros. I just finished ff5 and the story of Stranger of Paradise today. I emulated the snes version of 5 on my 3ds
which version of 4 should I play? I'm leaning towards emulating the fanpatched jp snes version, but might do the pixel remaster
and should I bother playing 3? I might replay 8 or 10 instead since it's been 20+ years since I played either

>>715655831
play the ds remake version, its the best one, be ready to get ass fucked HARD

>>715655831
>and should I bother playing 3?
Sure.
Also play Bravely Default if you haven't yet.

>>715654558
>Stagger system was a neat idea though but it's just another bar you keep track of
I would agree about the stagger system in most games, but the one in ff13 has a lot of thought put into it because you have two attacking classes, one that quickly rises the meter and another that rises it slowly but also slows the meters decay and just does more damage.
Since you only have 3 party members having 1 character of each role means you can't play the entire game in an extremely passive tank/dps/healer method without taking an eternity. Because of the party wide buffs characters give just for being in a role even if you're running 3 attackers the exact amount of each that is ideal varies, especially because characters learn different abilities from each role and have different attack animations/casting speeds which ties into how well they can keep a juggle going or get an attack out before the enemy.
It just gives room for lots of really satisfying on the fly decision making, like if everyone is near-dead but the enemy is almost staggered, do you paradigm shift to rav/rav/rav and hope you can nuke that last bit of stagger quickly, or do you play it safe and med/med/sen to get everyone up and deal with the lost progress you made on getting stagger.
Because you can only set 6 paradigms at a time it means you don't have an answer for every possible situation and so based on enemy/party loadout/playstyle you set your own stuff. Objectively after a stagger on a big enemy the best move is com/com/com because it does the most damage, but that's kind of a shitty paradigm in literally any other situation, if you feel like you need 6 other paradigms then you make due with something else.

Big problem is that all the chapters with only 2 characters means that you need to be confident enough to not swap to medic the second you take damage or you're taking forever to stagger anything while slowly grinding out fights + game badly explains all this nuance.

TLDR: its like saying devil may cry is boring because you beat normal mode with the basic sword moves and gunshots, only the story in ff13 has extremely cringe english voice acting in what's a serious story instead of a shitpost action flick so people are too annoyed by vanilie and hope to experiment.

>>715647342
>Why can't we just get an ACTUAL classical high fantasy world, Final Fantasy with bright colors and a hopeful melancholy resolution?
because square enix owns dragon quest, which does this kind of thing way better then final fantasy ever did. DQ11 is also fully turn based instead of some weird psuedo real time stuff the series has done with almost every mainline game since 4

but you didn't play this game, and will now make excuses as to how its different from the game with the big rat people

>>715656730
>Objectively after a stagger on a big enemy the best move is com/com/com because it does the most damage
because of ATB shift a lot of the time you actually want two of the exact same paradigm so you can use the instant atb fill every 12 seconds to squeeze another full round of moves into a stagger

>>715641558

>>715656110
I plan on playing that too but I want to play the original first
>>715656123
I'm actually in the middle of BD, I'm on chapter 5
I was threw off by all the objectives but Im probably just going to rush the rest of the story
I got side tracked by ff5 but I'm going to try to finish it before starting 4

>>715648536
/thread (except it's only the third/fourth best one)

>>715641628
14, 15, and 16 aren't REAL™ Final Fantasy titles.

Is there any other game that uses something like the paradigm shift system?

Where your entire party shifts roles mid-combat and the player needs to use that repeatedly?

>>715629976 (OP)
Lightning for Smash

>>715658765
Divinityoriginal sin

>>715656730
Based XIII player actually knows Final Fantasy. Love me Paradigm Shift.

>>715657248
>you didn't play this game
Stop coping about why FF can't have colors. You're just crying out because FFXVI is a fucking gray mess thematically and visually. Tthat was the point of my post. Not fucking Dragon Quest. FFXV has plenty of color and a hopeful melancholy resolution btw

>>715657915
>>715660079
Lightning is the pit pussy goddess, it's true

>>715660079
Hope get to sniff that private place every single day

>>715658972
Oh yes

it's just 15 that was bad really, FF16 is a decent game.

>>715629976 (OP)
Type-0 was absolute KINO

>>715641067
It’s a good game but like XV it’s clearly unfinished and way too much background is left in text in menus. The music is top tier, visuals are great, the story is pretty good for game, the artistic merits of the design of the game and the story are also interesting but fantasy games without more of an open world feel were a hard sell at that time. They were inspired by CoD’s cinematic hallways which were huge at the time but fantasy players were into open world.
Now imo open worlds aren’t that great or necessary but st the time it was Skyrim time and people were let down by the hallways .
>>715641891

Have to Ignore sequel writing desu. Not going to be good esp when the director made Lightning his waifu

>>715661161
lol
15 >>> 16

>>715641902
That true. Once I figured out the 5 star system the game became much more interesting but they didn’t explain it really. You could blow up bosses if you played correctly or you could grind them out and struggle which is what most players did

>>715661161
Turn based is always based, the problem with developer is that they tend to make everything accessible(tm) so that they could get an even larger amount of audience to play their game. Ff16 game design suffers from this principle; we went from 4 niggas in a row, to one player with 3 AI, to one player absorbing the other niggas power to himself. Is it accessible for new audience(tm)? Yes, even babies could play them; is it an enjoyable one? Hell no

>>715661536
faggot

Wow... how have times changed, now FF13 is considered a good game? shitposting was crazy when the game came out.

>>715660880
Hope is exclusively for Vanille

>>715661840
we didn't how really bad it could be

>>715661873
You literally did not play the game

>>715661693
the game with a gay kiss is 16, bro

>>715661936
I did. in 13-3 Lightning also says that Hope never looked happier once she tells him that Vanille is doing fine

>but XV and XVI
No. XIII and its sequels will always be worse

>>715656730
Tbf most people that played FFXIII never got far enough to understand the combat and it’s rarely critiqued anyway. Most people were bored by 6 hours of tutorial hallways and it’s been the defining moment of the game.

>>715661840
If you like JRPG's and are into fantasy, color, music and party based roleplay and you play FFXVI...And then afterwards, play FFXIII....I mean, ho-lee shit.

>>715662113
Just your typical animoo shenanigans. Vanille has equivalent teasing scenes with Sazh. Scenes that are even more suggestive and flirty. If you played the game(s) then you know exactly who Vanille is made for, and you know exactly who Hope is made for

>>715662272
Stranger of Paradise is a D game

>>715661840
Just people trying to Zelda cycle it into being good now because it's not the latest mainline anymore. It's still horrendous shit

>>715661873

FF13 was the opposite of 15&16, had a strong female presence, mostly because of Toriyama.

>>715655831
The PR version of 3 is the only version that's even remotely worthwhile. The 3D remake is terrible

>>715662565
Yeah, because he knows better.
Sausage fest ass games are fucking gay and lame, nobody wants that shit. Every single 'greatest game ever', especially JRPG's, have women in defining roles.

>>715662434
In a sea of F+ AAA games

>>715662113
There's a deleted line in ff13 I forgot which one where lightning talk to hope about how she wants to 'have a sweaty sex with (loosely translated from JP) white haired motherless shota and make love to him every single day' but it was cut and deleted before it can make it to the final game and the last copy of the script (with that line) has been burned to ash because the director didnt like it

>>715650683
Is there a nude element to this set of hers?
If so, source pls

>>715662113

>>715654765
I haven't played FFXIII pretty much since it came out and it's still immediately memorable to me how bad it is. I suspect it also broke my PS3 by being on a cheaply-made disc with holes in it but that little scandal got swept under the rug pretty quickly.

>>715663180
I'm pretty sure it broke my PS3's disc drive too. It was one of the early FMVs, I had to get the thing replaced before I could finish this awful trilogy

I find it strange that people bash FF13 for being a corridor game, while FF16 has the exact same corridor linear gameplay. The dungeons for example are just FF14 dungeons with circular arenas for bosses.

At least FF13 had stats to edit with the crystarium. At least FF13 had parties. At least FF13 had equipment. At least FF13 had a proper endgame like fighting the turtles and the hunts.

>>715629976 (OP)
>last Final Fantasy
No that’s X, arguably XII if you only count the parts before Matsuno got cucked out of his own game.

>>715631095
>implying XIII didn’t pander to Westerners
LMAO this is how I know you’re a babby zoomer, yeah XIII might not have been very Western in terms of aesthetic, setting, and anime tropes, but the entire structure of the game was meant to be a big blockbuster type movie game that copied the linear hallway railroading of shooters like Halo or COD. Hence no JRPG staples such as towns and interacting with NPCs and shit.

>>715629976 (OP)
What's the best way to play the thirteen series? I heard the pc ports were bad.

>>715663825
PC port runs just fine, needs a fan mod fix or two though. Looks incredible. Gameplay is excellent later on. Music is fantastic. Play it now.

>>715664342
are you using a graphics mod or something? how does it look so fucking good

>>715664491
There's a mod to change out the gameplay models for cutscene ones. Also all the green stuff in the background is just a png skybox, not actually 3D.

>>715663526
FF16 had wide areas to explore outside dungeon, there are also townz

>>715664491
Game absolutely looks phenomenal at 4K, it has great art direction.

I am using HD mods in the image which means upscaled textures and a hand modified Lightning character model. Mods are available on Nexus.

https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasy13/mods/17
https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasy13/mods/11
https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasy13/mods/19

I also use a free camera mod to zoom in on the characters and change the field of view, which dramatically changes the look of the game for screenshots.

>>715664647
>FF16 had wide areas to explore
For what? So that you can say you ran around in a field....Fighting trash mobs. They aren't even connected to each other, for some unknown reason. There's jack shit for any rewards either, which is the only reason to explore. You can't even do the Hunts naturally whatsoever, you have to teleport around everywhere.

>townz
Nothing is ever actually inside a single town. No interactivity, nothing to see, no mechanics. No rewards. You get cutscenes. Dialogue. Fetch quest spam to pad your play time with "world building" where people reinforce to you that racist slavery is bad and communist "equality" is good. The shop isn't even different town to town. It only sells the same measly 4-5 potions and a different orchestrion song. No weapons shop to look forward to in a new town with new gear/accessories to power up with. There is only one same "shop", for every single town. XVI is just a masquerade of Final Fantasy.

>>715664647
>FF16 had wide areas to explore outside dungeon, there are also townz
None of them were worth exploring. Nothing happened in towns. And nothing happened in the areas where you explored. Just barren areas not worth the time visiting. I cant believe how disengenuous your post is.

>>715663526
>Chrystarium
I loved it. Simple, yes. Duh. Basically just a visual representation for the automatic stat increases that happen in a typical RPG. At your own discretion and pace, if you decide and when. This is done because of how much depth and flexibility can come from this system later on whenever you have more roles, much like a lot of other things in the game that were balanced around the end, not the beginning

>parties
Love me all female party in vidya. Some of the most memorable moments for me. Expedition 33 had a really great all female party lineup too.

>equipment
I also really like the equipment system, though it's obviously very flawed. I like the way that basically everything you pick up can instantly be used to power up your stuff. Got 100 bloody hides? Fucking use them right now on your sword. It's a bit silly imagining using "strange ooze" and "particle accelerator" in order to power up a gunblade, but at the same time it just feels right. Every little bit and bob is useful, whether you want to upgrade armor or weapons or accessories. It was fun collecting massive amounts of material and dumping them into weapons and watching that stat shoot through the roof. Simple pleasure and it's what RPG's really are all about.

>fighting the turtles and the hunts
It really was the last Final Fantasy when it comes to the more traditional approach. ATB Command based, instanced battles, pre rendered JPG battle backgrounds and backdrops, party window with portraits

>>715629976 (OP)
i honestly agree and the best ones are VIII and FXII/ivalice alliance

>>715629976 (OP)
Are the 3d remakes of the original final fantasy good? Or are they shit?

one of my favorite bosses in the entire series

the lead up, the reveal, the voice acting, the music, the fight itself, all of it is truly the definition of peak

if you like JPRG's, seriously play this game

>>715668416
They are shit. Deleted turn based stuff for the sake of graphic and accessibility for modern audience (women)

>>715668416
>>715668539
What game are you (trying) to shitpost? IV 3D? That's a great game. VII Remake? That's a great game too.

>>715668539
Oh I meant these for the 2D era games

>>715668651
I got the bundle for 1 through 6 from the steam sale and wondering if the remakes are just better? Is there any significant changes like in translations or stuff//.
I've never played the games before

I bought a copy of Final Fantasy XIII. I never opened it. Its still sitting in my closet

>>715668651
>VII Remake?
This one, with sissy cloud and gooner tifa and 100gb size for some reason. Whar do you call it again? Rebirth or something?
>>715668673
Its fine, I think there's one in psp that are not ported to pc but I forgor which one havent played classic ff in a long time, last time being ff1 remastered in 2023

>>715664491
art design doing a lot of heavy lifting, plus that's the flip side of having linear hallways & setpieces, you can really pack them with detail and design work. the technical limits of it being a 2009 game are a lot more visible when you get to the big open area or in how the vanilla models had to spend like 90% of their poly budget on the faces to get them looking that good

I did not enjoy farming traps for several days to get this gay trophy.

It was the last Final Fantasy game where you could choose the party leader and fight the Hunts and even the final boss with your chosen leader and party.

If you wanted to play as Sazh and the boys to take down Orphan, you could run that group the whole way from Pulse to the end. If you wanted to play as Vanille and the girls, you could run that group. The commands that you choose for Sazh and the gameplay experience you have while playing as him and the boys will differ than if playing as Vanille and the girls. And because you can technically build those custom secondary roles, how your party looks might be completely different player to player.

This is indeed the LAST new numbered mainline Final Fantasy game to function this way as a party based, command based RPG. One of the most true ensemble RPG's in the entire series, at least since VI at least, being that it switches perspectives between them in order to explore all of them in protagonist roles. XIV, XV and XVI are each all completely different genres from typical Final Fantasy, and so are most all the sequels/remakes/spinoffs.

A lot of people gave up on the validity of the simple Command based gameplay during that time in the late 2000's when shooters/action dominated and treated it as objectively inferior to direct control action systems because it's "boring". I don't blame them, but it's short sighted/stupid. Same with open worlds/towns/side activities. More and more people today after seeing the mountains of slop, realize that bullshit doesn't functionally contribute to an emotionally compelling game experience. Simple stuff works, running forward through cool ass cyberpunk areas grinding out cool ass cyberpunk machine fiends, with great animation and listening to fun synth/piano/orchestra tracks....it can be just as stimulating as your open world side quest simulator collect-a-thon fish bowl.

>>715629976 (OP)
>>715661840
FF13 is only panned because it was released in the middle of the anti-jrpg fad. There was some serious anti japanese shit going on when it released.

>>715637503
Yeah, but honestly the game showers you in extra time + ways to slow down time that you can easily do everything within one playthrough (it has NG+ with some extra stuff as well). It's more plot device than game mechanic if you ask me.

seriously what's with the daily 13 threads?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47YPs-qwNQU
>still undisputed

>>715670338
I approve. Lightning is the Final Fantasy.

Final Fantasy can only return to prominence if a new game looks more like XIII, than it does XVI.

Final Fantasy XIII is cyberpunk

>>715668520
13 has a stellar art direction love how it looks futuristic and alien but not scifi at all, the mix of organic with mechanical for summons and some enemies is cool as fuck too

ANYWHERE THE WIND GOOOOOEESSS

>>715669909
Part 1 is a fucking hallway simulator. It was panned because it was fucking shit. Part 2 redeemed it but the damage was already done for most players. X may have been linear but was nowhere near as bad as 13.

https://youtu.be/rxhkOMuOyqc

Yeah, i like this game

>>715670616
There's so, so many elements and aesthetics at play
It's maximalist, it's minimalist, it's frutiger aero, it's art nouveau, it's neon cyberpunk, it's natural/tribal, it's neo militaristic, it's hyper kitsch, it's got it all. Tetsuya Nomura's actual last set of new character designs, Isamu Kamikoryou smoking some serious dark nefarious sorceror kush coming up with the art direction.

its really funny how hard you guys try to pretend the game isn't subpar at best

>>715670795
BASED BASED BASED

The OST for FF13 is really good too. One of my favourites. Meanwhile, I can't remember a single song from FF16

>>715671603
the ff16 main theme is much more memorable than any track from ff13

>>715629976 (OP)
>>715630798
you postted it

>>715671848
Your opinion is wrong I'm afraid.

>>715641558
pit goddess

>>715671603
Blinded by the Light is the only track I can recall from the entire FF13 trilogy, and No Risk, No Reward is a better battle theme anyway

>>715629976 (OP)
All anime and video game girls want to be with East Asian Jomon men only.

>>715629976 (OP)
Sounds redundant.

>>715671603
If there's one thing in XVI that is undeniable, it's music. There are some really good ones for sure, but it's also really, really long and padded with background/ambience. XIII is a lot more like one of the old OST's, around 80 tracks and very well paced around scenes/battles with good variety. Lots of ambience and some padding too, but way more standouts overall.

Here are my faves from XVI

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=8pw0LCai5ec&si=W2qjeoyL_xv2n_Fa
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf3wH29UYi8&si=S6in12JNKTaAfmlu
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=xFV1eStwfFg&si=Ydh9FWtAlcH_vmWI
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=lvQqUOGz6MM&si=eJiMUir16XNc4X4Q
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=ioyB1eQE9to&si=6RwK81cugJqXmumN
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf2mvIHngfo&si=m5lk2xqsFkotHj8T
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=7ulIHN59w5A&si=atx9X8MS5fWwZtPs
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=dkGwV5Hreb8&si=Ly-wFI_7FmkCtwPP
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=oLm40DaQ5YE&si=jILaz0sGTiM8_Eok
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=5MMKIrkVcOg&si=FosAS-ubSzI0K479
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=LsuxDqsR4qU&si=XgrLX-VDvA3demd6
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=YivSvS_AvsQ&si=V2Z460vZxuz13uLN

>>715672278
>No Hide Hideaway

>>715672479
>The Outlaw
Seems redundant.

my soul thirsts for vanille, please post your favorite image/webm

>>715672670
!!!!

>>715672729
thank you very much anon

>>715650318
>>715649069
The biggest thing I dislike about FF9 is the combat runs at a snails pace and the attribute leveling system is as restrictive/obtuse as FF13.

>>715672963
what is your favorite part about vanille?

>>715673064
Her courage. Her resolve to do what is right, no matter how hard and scary it is. No matter if it takes our own lives to do it.

Aerith but better.

>>715649069
>Hate IX for nonsensical reasons
>Also hates V
Are you a faggot or something?

>>715673238
>It's a good game
You lack reading comprehension? I just think it's not the best one and I wrote reasons why. It's the same with V. FFV is a good game. But it's not the best one, it's not even the best 2D one. You can think those are the best 3D and 2D games for your own reasons but just know that it's an inherently, objectively contrarian opinion. I like XIII but I don't pretend that it doesn't have massive flaws. And I will admit that standing up for it against other, more beloved 3D games does in fact make me, a contrarian.

>>715670604
No it's Sci-fi, retard.

>>715673694
Cyberpunk.

It's the last Final Fantasy with a full fun OST to listen to and not just like one or two songs, no offence Yoko but 15's OST had like good 10 songs. And FF16 OSt had 0 good songs

>>715673158
that was a really good answer, she really is just this perfect

>>715641558
canonically the strongest Final Fantasy

>>715672963
All I remember is hating this bitch every time she came around and all I wanted was for her to shut up.

>>715672729
>>715672963
>>715673232
>>715673067
>when your game graphics age perfectly

>>715673974
Like I said, like Aerith but better. A real teenage girl with real personality and flaws, not just a magical Mary Sue pick me. But at the same time fulfills a very similar role in the storyline as the innocent female martyr deus ex machina ancient majokko. But instead of being a fantasy about "the perfect trad waifu" who gets taken from you and teaches you about loss in a profound way, Vanille is more of just a flawed, broken, sad little girl whose been trapped in a cursed fate. She lies and runs away from herself, and wants so badly to just be happy.

I'm not one to wax poetic too much about Vanille, but there's another poster somewhere around here that can do that job much better than me. Perhaps he will arrive if we post enough Vanille and he can talk about her some more.

>>715674481
Sorry you felt that way. I wanted to kiss her and cum inside her.

>>715674513
I realize I'm one of the only people on this website who has ever created any FFXIII content recently, but it's still weird sometimes when I see people repost it. XIII Remaster seriously can't come soon enough, the engoodening will be glorious to see.

>>715674531
Vanille is pretty.

>>715674481
leave

>>715674847
what do you use for freecam? would've loved a photomode when i played it

>>715674531
>>715674941
i want to give her all the kisses and hugs

>>715674941
Vanille is brave.

>>715675003
Here you go. It's always worth revisiting FFXIII.

https://github.com/ghostinthecamera/IGCS-GITC/releases/tag/FFXIII_v1.0

>>715675061
Brave and kind!

>>715675061
my tongue escapes my mouth

>>715675095
She's our gal, there's no question. Imagine her Remake character model.

>>715675247
>Modern model Vanille
That would be lovely.

>>715650318
Quina gets you level 5 Death as soon as you get to the second continent, which, as soon as you have it, lets you one-shot Grand Dragons in the mountains -- that alone is basically a cheat-code to end the game. agree about trance though, completely stupid. I think the world is more interesting than many FF games, esp most of the teens, but I have rose-tinted glasses.

>>715675061
thanks dawg

>>715675306
Until then, I'll just take free camera photos/vids of her and watch her cute little hips sway. She has aged absolutely phenomenally well, after all

>>715675560

>>715647342
The fact that Theres people agreeing with you is so sad
The crystal/magic removal has been a constant theme throught the entire franchise you stupid retard

xiii-2 made me into a serah fag. That was a really fun game.

>>715675710
What the sheep doin....

>>715675823
Maybe he's getting a good look at her.

I want to hug Vanilla and serve her her favorite dish and tell her she is a good girl

>>715675781
I tried to play 13-2 on my Xbox 360 recently but the 30fps and dips kills me. Its so hard to go back to those games

>>715675730
Which Final Fantasy advertised "the death of magic/the things you love is good" as the core theme of the game in it's marketing and reveal
I'll wait for you to reply and then laugh at you instead of replying

>>715675892
Aceman tripfag you're quickly becoming very very based with all these Vanille's
Soon we won't be able to hold them all

>>715642438
I fucking wish

>>715676007
Looks FANTASTIC on PC.

Final Fantasy XIII Trilogy is worth revisiting.

>>715676092

>glomp
What do

>>715662428
It makes more sense to me with the original plan of Fang being a guy.

>>715676393
Well the "original plan" also had Serah in the party as a 7th I believe, which would balance out Fang being male. But 6 party members matches with 6 Job roles cleanly, and it's an even split of male to female which means Fang must be female. It works out game design wise much better and Vanille being gay with another super model chick wearing tribal getup isn't like the modern diversity pandering, it's just a straight up male fantasy.

>>715676479
For me it's
>Vanille (video that heals souls).webm

>>715676864
She looks calm and peaceful there

The only bad thing about FFXIII is that lightning has negative ass.

>>715629976 (OP)
You are right. This is when the series died. Lightning killed it.

>>715676946
She's Japanese, please try to understand.

vanille is so cute and kissable, she is just perfect

>>715676878
Not bad...
>tattoo
So close.

vanilles soft lips

>>715677112
>>715677782
Zooming in very close on Vanille in 4k.....

My wife Claire "Lightning" Farron of course, I hope they remake FF13 in the style of a Sonic game, the linearity it has can be made into a Sonic obstacle course with super speed, railing & all that: https://youtu.be/Pw4LPSEOMoA?si=bWHL_LtssxEuPzzy&t=1929
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLDBIXZmTbs&ab_channel=SonicGuitars

They were making 5K resolution key art renders in the fucking mid 2000's.

This shit was literally before it's time in every sense of the word.

>>715677849
did you install any mods for those pictures? besides the camera mod? did you put the texture quality ones?
Not that I want to do it because it takes too much effort for a game that is possibly going to get re-made one day. I'm just curious.

>>715678101
yes that and Crysis 1 were advanced for their era. Squareenix used to be sort of a platform tech test they were always the first ones to push games that really pushed the hardware. Now, not so much & I'm not saying it has to. This is clearly the age of Style over Realism as Elden Ring proves. Graphics are better now being Artistic Visions rather than "Real".

>>715677849
i could stare at her face for hours

>>715678101
It was the last FF game that actually felt technically groundbreaking.

>>715678067
>32:17
No fucking way.....lmfao, that's one of my screenshots.
Based XIII anon, is this you in the video? Do I have to watch your tier list now because you put Claire on a choc in it?

>>715678190
That's right, just the popular Nexus HD mods and a free camera mod. The HD mods are using the games cinematic quality character models, with a bit of manual touching up and manual detail. Textures are simply upscaled.

>>715677053
They could've gave her SOMETHING... damn.

>>715677849
Vanille's eyes...

>>715676092
Ff6
Ff10

>>715678565
Really awesome subtle, realistic pale jade green color. Absolutely divine. One of the prettiest FF girls in history.

>>715678764

>>715650570
is there a smaller ass in all of media?
i think literal skeletons have bigger asses

>>715678923
Final Fantasy must return to unapologetically sexo party members. It's all in the fragrance.

>>715679075
I agree, we need pretty, young, cute females again. It's been so long damn it.

>>715638071
Counterpoint: timestop ability however it is called. I was very shit at the combat and still had several days left on the clock doing most quests I found (I skipped genociding every enemy and maybe a couple of others) the first run.

>>715679202
not just someone we NEED vanille

>>715679276

>>715679276
and Eclaire
and Fangu
and Serah
Minimum 3-4 girls in XVII, PLAYABLE, and they all pretty as fuck or I AIN'T BUYING AGAIN!

Was I the only one who wanted to violate Hopes bussy?

>>715679319
>>715679373
i want to put a ring on that hand so badly

>>715679516
Marry her.

>>715644490
16 did the impossible. It was so bad it made me appreciate XIII a little.

>>715662873
Nato Mitsu! I've asked her to do a bikini Lightning shoot on X. She has dyed rose pink hair cut to be just like Lightning and is a tall, certified heroine in the flesh. She's proof positive that FFXIII came before it's time

>>715679418
Hope is made for Light

>>715646250
Just because its in the same genre as those games doesn't mean its in the same league as those games. XVI is nothing but a lazy empty shallow spectaclefest.

>>715679571
i will and then i will be the happiest man for all eternity

Vanille cosplayer sex

>>715678101
and thank god the full assets actually got out there instead of being lost in some press kit and only available in downscaled and watermarked versions on various outlets

>>715629976 (OP)
>ffxiii thread
>barely any armpits

>>715680072
this is not my beautiful vanille!

>>715680165

>>715679710
>Hope is made for Noctis
ftfy

>>715680085
Graphics literally did not need to and almost certainly can't actually advance beyond this level. I'm playing Death Stranding 2 and it looks great, incredible really. But artistically, Fang surpasses some scanned in model.

>>715680218
No she is not...but she is cute and did a good job and I would.

>>715678538
noncanon

>>715680308
Something like this could be the cover of the Remaster

>>715679373
3 is the sweetspot
must be balanced
3 males 3 females or 4 males 3 females.
It's classic to do this in JRPGs

>>715680324
doesnt exist in the same universe. Lightning claimed Hope already.

>>715680340
well yeah design and style make the actual difference, tech is really only relevant in how it can enable or hinder the execution. like ds2, sure there's a lot of fidelity but shinkawa's designs looked good with ps1 graphics too.

>>715680728
I mean more like Fang herself, any of them really. You can't find women like this to scan into games whatsoever. They can only exist as an artistic expression with their divine proportions. FFXIII trilogy cinematics specifically is at an apex of artistic stylization and fidelity. The new FF games have really good looking girls too and graphics, but there's just something special about XIII. Everything after has gone just a bit too far into the realism category, which makes them a touch uncanny

what is vanilles favorite food, color, fabric blend, flower, drink?

>>715629976 (OP)
to suck until ff16 released.

>>715681070
I can see her flaps

>>715681462
No you cant

>>715681462
my wifes flaps are non of your business for one

>>715681584
Yes I can. You're just not looking hard enough

>>715681225
vanille and her favorite type of sex is the most un-vanilla shit ever

>>715681643
Share with us anon. I wnat to see her smile

Vanille's enhanced Vanille's......

>>715682259
Big. They have to be for her husband

This is my beautiful and handsome Taiwanese wife

>>715681828

>>715682339
cute

>stealing a shy kiss from vanille and then cuddling with her till the sun rises

>>715646109
Not exactly a high bar to beat anon.

>the fatherless is shitting up /v/ now

grim

The last FF was X which was also the beginning of the end.

>>715682259
How old is she? her breasts are big for her age. I thought she was like 15

>>715683568
she is 89

>>715683730
wtf she looks like a teenager

>>715683919
She is actually over 600 years old in FFXIII. She just spent most of that time as a rock.

>>715683919
microplastics son

>>715631095
15 is more japanese than ff13 which was literally inspired by CoD

>>715646109
only better than 16

>>715661161
15 is better than 16 in every aspect

>>715684128
>>715684257
>>715684361
barry is here

>>715662692
lunafreya does more in the background in ff15 than lightning ever does in ff13 to move the story along

screentime is irrelevant to story importance

>>715684398
barry won

>>715684537

>>715629976 (OP)
Oh man, you have to try the Uma Musume game—it’s this insanely polished mobile title where you raise these horse girls (yes, that’s right) into elite racing idols. The training system is super strategic, and you form deep emotional bonds with your characters as you guide them to stardom—and like, the drama? It hits. Like that one arc where Oguri Cap’s career is on the line and she’s recovering from injury, and her whole comeback hinges on that one final race in the snow at Nakayama. I swear, the way she pushes through the pain and wins—I was in tears. The pacing, the inner monologues, even the gritty rivalry with Mihono Bourbon... top-tier writing.

Bros, what do I do? A good friend loves 14 and hates 13. I beat 13 for the first time a few weeks ago and he keeps asking me what I thought but I just deflect. He acts like I'm slapping his mother whenever I say anything negative about FFXIV, so I don't know how the hell he's going to react if I tell him that I enjoyed 13 way more than 14. Please advise.

>>715670338
Some waifufag decided there weren't enough thread about his waifu I guess.

>>715684690
Tell him that you think FFXIII is way better because it has better graphics, instanced battles, ATB commands, unique Paradigm Shift system and a fully customizable party with good cutscenes and fully voice acted melodrama like a stage play.

>>715684690
if he's autistic enough for it to cause actual problems just say something noncommittal and indifferent

>>715684398
Realistically ff16 was really hype, I just beat odins dominant and I love the games story but the gameplay? Its awful. there's no status effects or meaningful weapon or items to change combat. ff15 might have been rough at launch but even it understood that ff is an RPG at heart, you could change the entire landscape with high tier magic or be turned into a frog or to stone. Being turned to stone actually resulted in a few strategies because you were invulnerable as a statue. ff16s gameplay was hollow but the boss fights were way more hype thn 15s

>>715664491
theatricality and deception

>>715670338
paarsocial relationships, lack of a good mother figure, male loneliness in 2025+, neet life, summer time, world is fucked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX23iYNJFpE&ab_channel=SyntheticMan

>>715629976 (OP)
You know what's funny? I never even played 13 and still feel nostalgic when I hear the music.

>>715685052
the first boss, the one that casts bad breath on you doesn't give you any status effects lol. Yoshida thinks gamers are retards these days

>>715686535
Lightening...

>>715669909
You're right that it couldn't have come out at a worst time since anti-japan sentiment was at an all time high. People forget that it wasn't just anti-japan, it was anti-old franchises. The idea was to hype up the new kids on the block. Uncharted, Gears of War, Halo, new western franchises that were just starting out but didn't have the legacy to back it up.
That doesn't make it good though. XIII killed the series and they never fully recovered from it.

>>715675730
XVI was the first time the crystals were actually "evil" rather than a neutral force or outright "good"
unless you count XII's nethicite I guess
would XIII turning l'cie into crystal count?

>>715684628
>E33 inspired by ffxv
>ffxv dev directed DK bananza
>both goty contenders

ffxv keeps on winning

Planning on playing 4 for the first time, but can't decide between the DS or PSP version. Which version is the best?

>>715684427
FF13>>>>>>>>FF15
Cope

>>715687942
PSP 3D is better than DS version for emulation
But the Steam port is the best version
Unless you want the 2D PSP version

>>715687942
3D steam version and pixel remaster 4

>>715687942
The DS version of 4 (which is also on steam too mind you) is a full on remake, I think you would appreciate the changes more if you played the original first, but it's a good remake.

The PSP version of 4 is just the original game, it doesn't add anything besides an extra tie-in story to the after years.

>>715688041
This

>>715664647
FF16 needed a party instead of focusing on one character
A shame since Cid Barnabas were great

>>715688041
True I love 15 but 13 was a magical experience that spanned 3 whole games. I might go replay lightning returns actually

>>715688041
For real xv is really trash, rip versus xiii

>Replayed 13 three times
>Played 15 once and was done
>Played 16 once and was done
Newer FFs are so boring

>>715688686
Based.

>>715688041
15 clears 13 in every way

you can remove lightning from ff13 and nothing changes major storywise

>>715688041
>>715688224
>>715688373
samefag
xiii is dogshit while xv is university beloved

daily reminder if you liked XII, XIII, XV or XVI you have terminally shit taste.

Replayed XIII recently, the story and characters are even worse than I remembered. I was trying to be as fair as possible but it really was just a stinker of a game.
The late-game battle system provides for maybe the most challenging mainline FF I've played and the game turns into something different once you reach Pulse (chapter 11?).
I made the exact mistakes I had on the first run though, not realising that item and weapon abilities can synergise and I also stacked all of my XP into throttled stats instead of saving for crystarium expansion. The game didn't really do a great job of indicating the importance of these things which led to me probably making the game 10x more difficult than it should be.
>>715690624
12 is amazing but it shouldn't be a mainline game.

In my view, the series ended at X which was the peak of what they were trying to achieve. The decision to make XI an MMO devalued the main series and opened the doors for experimentation

>>715691302
But XI was a really good MMO

>>715690624
dont forget XIV, a troon game.

XII is really fun combat.
XIII combat is really fun in gran pulse. the combat is really engaging and some of the best in the series. arguably the best iteration of ATB in the series and better than games where you just mash out Bahamut as fast as you can like in FFIV

>>715689847
riveting turn based combat > unga bunga just spam the retarded sword dash and auto dodge

>>715691642
trvke

>>715691380
I couldn't say anything to that, because I haven't played XI. I just think it was a dumb idea for them to name an entirely different format of game into the mainline series when they were already making spinoff series.
Same with 14. I played through that finally last year and want to strangle the cheeky bastards that told me that the story gets good after 600 hours, literally the worst writing of the entire series.

>>715652442
there isn't that much more to FF than navigating through menus, especially the early ones

>>715638646
I stopped playing a few years before just because I lost interest. They were never very good at using their own IP and lore anyway, I can see why they decided to give up and just piggyback on everyone else's IP instead. At the end of the day if they were too incompetent to do it themselves then it makes sense

>>715684690
Send him pictures of Vanille

>>715691825
>that image
sounds incredibly fucking gay and retarded, not to mention nothing like FF.

>>715688041
They are both shit games and 13 is worse

>>715694658
>sounds incredibly fucking gay and retarded, not to mention nothing like FF.

>>715695286
The saddest part of seeing shit like this from square is that they made fucking KH2.

>>715698064
Even sadder is that they made KH3.

>>715698310
While KH3 was a massive disappointment, It still shits on anything FF put out in the last decade and a half.

>>715629976 (OP)
Final Hallway 13. You weren't there, Zoomer.

My favorite final fantasies are FF8 and FF13.

My least favorite are FF7 and FF9

But which FF had the best music?

I think of you when from the sea the shimmer
Of sunlight streams;
I think of you when on the brook the dimmer
Moon casts her beams.
I see your face when on the distant highway
Dust whirls and flakes,
In deepest night when on the mountain byway
The traveller quakes.
I hear your voice when, dully roaring, yonder
Waves rise and spill;
Listening, in silent woods I often wander
When all is still.
I walk with you, though miles from you divide me;
Yet you are near!
The sun goes down, soon stars will shine to guide me.
Would you were here!"
________________
"Ich denke dein, wenn mir der Sonne Schimmer
Vom Meere strahlt;
Ich denke dein, wenn sich des Mondes Flimmer
In Quellen mahlt.
Ich sehe dich, wenn auf dem fernen Wege
Der Staub sich hebt;
In tiefer Nacht, wenn auf dem schmalen Stege
Der Wandrer bebt.
Ich höre dich, wenn dort mit dumpfem Rauschen
Die Welle steigt.
Im stillen Haine geh’ ich oft zu lauschen,
Wenn alles schweigt.
Ich bin bei dir, du seyst auch noch so ferne,
Du bist mir nah!
Die Sonne sinkt, bald leuchten mir die Sterne.
O wärst du da!"

>>715700715
Whichever my digit is 0-9 (0 is FFX)

>>715700715
FFX, apparently >>715701130

>>715687679
Good on that dev getting out of there and making DK. Imagine if he followed Tabata.
Instead of celebrating a GotY contender, he'd be spending this week wondering where it all wrong.

sexo

>>715700715
VI > XIII-2 >>> the rest. However VII has the best score (how music fits the scenes). Terra's Theme is the best theme in all of videogames.

>fuck, marry, kill

Before the thread hits bump limit - how do I build my characters in this game? I did a playthrough and got filtered by the final mission, granted I was like 13 years old at the time.

>>715633979
how do you run her in EDH? I hate playing voltron and voltron is a gay-ass archtype.

It was nice to see so much love for XIII in this thread.
The 7R thread yesterday was a bloodbath. Everyone was tearing it apart and one fan was trying to defend it but failing miserably.

>>715707372
3 bitches

>>715681070
Gonna need more vanille upskirts

https://youtu.be/Qj_Ng7mTvZI?feature=shared

>You will never be 12 again playing the best vidya

>>715674531
>Aerith
>perfect trad wife
This is how I know you’re a zoomer faggot pretending to have played the original when you really just got all your “canon” from the Compilation and Remake garbage.

Aerith was never the trad wife type, that was more Tifa’s role. Aerith was a bold and street-smart flirtatious firecracker who would threaten to rip your balls with a smile while Tifa could only look on in shy awe. Her and Tifa’s designs are meant to be subversions on their actual personalities.

>>715707372
Kill Fang, ignore Vanille, fuck Lumina, marry Serah.

>>715633979
You don't love her nearly enough it seems.

>>715711197

>>715629976 (OP)
I'd agree.
It's terrible, a game that killed the franchise completely and on a console that no one but FIFA fans bought, but it was still recognizably "Final Fantasy."

Everything after was just "SONY."

>>715709664
fuck vanille, fuck fang, fuck lightning, fuck sarah, fuck lumina while self inserting as hope