Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:29:08 PM
No.718066562
No one is defending soulslikes.
only shitters and trannies hate souls games
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:29:31 PM
No.718066584
>>718072025
>>718066516 (OP)
what does he say?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:32:18 PM
No.718066698
>>718066771
>>718066516 (OP)
Polytranny wrote what?
Chatgpt reddit opinions from a chubby white guy what?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:33:30 PM
No.718066771
>>718066698
>>718066569
you have just proved him right
have some awareness
>>718066516 (OP)
>shield by criticism
>by hardcore fans
You just know the article will be just whining about the games being "too difficult".
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:39:47 PM
No.718067057
>>718066905
What? You don't think that the most hardcore fans of something can effectively alter public opinions at large and stop people from disliking it? Surely people that enjoy eating literal shit have the magical power to make the populace at large find it not disgusting, right?
>Some examples of games that werenโt afraid to revisit their initial design philosophy include Dead Cells, Celeste, Sifu, and Lies of P. Dead Cells and Celeste have both implemented Assist Modes to accommodate players with less skill and those with disabilities. At the same time, Sifu and Lies of P took it a step further by adding difficulty settings, allowing even more players to enjoy them. Before that, the director of Lies of P, Jiwon Choi, even doubled down on the FromSoftware formula, stating, โSoulslike games shouldnโt have difficulty options,โ in interviews. However, with the release of the Overture DLC patch, the team behind Lies of P made a complete U-turn.
>Much to the cultureโs dismay, the developers of these challenging games are showing a willingness to change and adapt. Even the stewards of the Soulslike genre are listening to feedback, and with it, more players than ever are enjoying some of the best games in the medium. We got there through good criticism.
Take note From Software
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:44:26 PM
No.718067272
>>718077420
Theres plenty of valid criticisms of the From games. If the first thing on your list is "Its too hard" it means you arent good enough to find the actual problems and you deserve to be ignored
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:45:05 PM
No.718067297
>posting this on /v/ where there's a fromsoft hate thread every minute of every day
Post this in /dsg/ or /erg/
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:45:51 PM
No.718067328
>>718073203
>>718066569
Lmao you're too retarded to learn an actual fighting game, so you resort to super-serious Souls PvP. You're pathetic
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:48:07 PM
No.718067434
>>718066516 (OP)
The only thing you need to know to understand how insufferable the dark souls fanbase is, is that they unironically defended dogshit hitboxes under the excuse of "shockwaves".
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:48:54 PM
No.718067469
>>718073203
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:49:37 PM
No.718067521
>games with a learning curve are... le bad!
>>718067179
The issue isn't ez mode.
it's a boss turn that lasts 5 times longer than yours where in dark souls, even bloodborne you could trade 1 for 1 hit.
shit open world exploration, worthless ashes because you get staggered out of your epic cinematic move by rats, quests that fail because you didn't know that once you kill dicksucker of jarbert Mr. leintorpedo the predatorium teleports to the buttfuck of nowhere and dies if you kill another boss.
they don't fix the dogshit game design, just slap more band aids or blue waifus, and the rollsloppers eat it up.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:51:51 PM
No.718067630
>>718066516 (OP)
No they haven't
Journalists cried for months asking for easy mode in Elden Ring. They were perfectly welcome to voice that opinion and Fromsoft was perfectly welcome to ignore it
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:52:18 PM
No.718067642
>>718066516 (OP)
The problem is that a lot of criticism boils down to stupid shit like "I had trouble with this boss/enemy so it's poorly designed" or " "I died once and I shouldn't die ever so the game is poorly designed" or even "I got hit once by an attack that didn't even kill me and I shouldn't get hit ever so the game is poorly designed"
For every one legitimate complaint there's a hundred people complaining that the game isn't rolling over and handing them a free win.
>>718067179
>it was really about the games not having an easy mode
>they're still trying to hide behind disabled people
lol
lmao
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:52:18 PM
No.718067643
>>718068272
If you're talking DS1, Demon's Souls, Bloodborne or even DS3 I don't think
>le difficulty
is that valid of a complaint. All of these games can be trivialized by things you can find fairly easily without guides. I do think Elden Ring's DLC got a little stupid and probably shuts some people out, but I don't think it's that big of a deal. Elden Ring proper also has summon ash which is effectively an easy mode.
However I think a lot of people who complain about difficulty want to beat a boss with their specific build/item set and are disappointed when it doesn't pan out. You can show them an item set or strategy that trivializes any given boss and they won't want to do it because it's "cheesing" or whatever. You see this kind of frustration in people who insist on picking "low tier" characters in fighting games (even when their skill is at the point where tiers don't matter at all) and refuse to abuse effective strategies.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:52:47 PM
No.718067673
>>718067179
>Assist Modes
Called it
>>718066905.
That said, Souls games do have easy mode - it's called summoning.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:53:03 PM
No.718067685
>>718067592
>quests that fail because you didn't know that once you kill dicksucker of jarbert Mr. leintorpedo the predatorium teleports to the buttfuck of nowhere and dies if you kill another boss.
Should've reloaded the area five times, pleb.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:53:55 PM
No.718067725
>>718066516 (OP)
>normal action games
>you play as a hyperactive donut steele OC with 20 hit combos
>enemies barely know how to attack
>soulslikes
>your character barely knows how to attack
>enemies are hyperactive donut steele OCs with 20 hit combos
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:54:28 PM
No.718067753
>>718066905
>>718067179
Kek, like fucking clockwork
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:55:33 PM
No.718067793
>>718066516 (OP)
Tell me if any of this sounds familiar:
>Walk up to a static unmoving npc and mash interact until they repeat a dialogue line.
>Reload the area to see they teleported somewhere else.
>Repeat until end of quest (the npc dies).
It's laughably bad design and people just let them get away with it.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:55:44 PM
No.718067813
>>718076763
>>718067179
"Yeah, sure, there's plenty to criticize regarding souls games, that's fair, what-"
>it's bitching about MUH DIFFICULTY
>AGAIN
You know, we could talk about how the balance of the games is often quite off by an enormous degree, or how some of the quests - especialy in Elden Ring - have really terrible progression triggers, or even how some areas are optimized extremely poorly - or even some fights, see Consort Radahn on release, and how it literally flashbanged your screen and dropped your FPS into single digits.
But nope, "too hard, baby want milk" again.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:55:57 PM
No.718067829
>>718067932
>>718066516 (OP)
>another episode of shitters mad
16 years later, ever since demons's souls, they are still crying about raped by a scraping spear.
For 15 years they are still crying about being raped in undead burg.
They still praise DS2 for soul memory for it shielded them from bad red men, and they hate SOFTS because it added forlorn.
They still cry about being raped at the wall of Lothric
And they still did not stop crying about being raped troughout the entirely of Elden Ring.
And now that they got their kiddy pool Nightreign, they are mad it's the least popular entry of all souls games.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:58:17 PM
No.718067932
>>718068094
>>718079957
>>718067829
I just prefer games where whenever I press a button the action happens instantly.
Why can't soulslikes be like that?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:59:46 PM
No.718068008
>>718068149
>>718069850
>>718066516 (OP)
These journos arenโt helping. When you criticize actual flaws in FROM games like the simple, easily exploitable AI of enemy NPCs, FROM fags will just dismiss you out right and lump you in with this Polygon journo demanding an easy mode
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:00:40 PM
No.718068053
>>718066516 (OP)
Anybody who says this what they really mean is they don't want other people criticizing their shitty opinions.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:01:23 PM
No.718068094
>>718068259
>>718067932
Just play an easier game.
You're not an elite gamer you think you are.
Rest of us adapted, and you keep crying for 16 years.
Grow some skin, get some skill, or you will never be recognized as my peer and will remain a pissbaby.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:02:39 PM
No.718068149
>>718069867
>>718068008
>simple, easily exploitable AI of enemy NPCs
You faggots have been bitching for three years that ER enemies won't let you sip for free anymore and won't tank your spells without dodging, lmao
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:03:03 PM
No.718068165
>>718066516 (OP)
this discussion feels entirely redundant now that elden ring completely penetrated the mainstream gaming sphere. everyone and their mother already beat that game, we don't have to act like normalfags are being hard done by when they themselves are ER fans now.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:04:52 PM
No.718068259
>>718068428
>>718068094
But people have been making fun of and hated games with unresponsive controls for decades.
Why do soulslikes get a pass?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:05:07 PM
No.718068272
>>718069874
>>718067643
It' s definitely not a valid complaint when it comes to Demon's Souls, that game is actually quite easy it's just punishing and sometimes esoteric.
Elden Ring is even easier since it doesn't punish you as hard and the open world allows you to go get better gear/items or grind for levels as much as you want.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:07:24 PM
No.718068403
>>718066516 (OP)
No he's not. Souls fans have always been critical. Just look at the reception to Dark Souls 2. It's the newfags that are slurping everything up.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:07:40 PM
No.718068428
>>718068474
>>718068514
>>718068259
Works on my device, maybe you should not be a console cuck.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:08:33 PM
No.718068474
>>718068537
>>718068428
>console cuck
They are literally console games
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:08:44 PM
No.718068486
>>718068595
What's so hard about saying "I couldn't enjoy the game because it was difficult, therefore it's not for me", rather than whining non-stop? I dropped Kenshi because I'm a brainlet, I'm not sitting there campaigning for it to become easier.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:09:17 PM
No.718068514
>>718068609
>>718068428
So first claimed that you adapted to the unresponsive controls and now you claim they don't exist?
Which one is it?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:09:45 PM
No.718068537
>>718068474
They are on PC therefore there is no reason to own a console.
NO GAMES is a meme for that specific reason.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:11:10 PM
No.718068595
>>718068682
>>718068486
because the criticism isn't about difficulty. Difficulty is what fromtrannies use to deflect criticism
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:11:23 PM
No.718068605
>>718066516 (OP)
Theres nothing to criticize. We need to be criticizing everyone else for copying them. Like the Lies of P dev, Wu Ching Chong game etc.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:11:27 PM
No.718068609
>>718068852
>>718068514
At first I thought the crying is about holding roll button for sprinting, but then I remembered how consoles actually have latency.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:12:44 PM
No.718068682
>>718068595
>assist mode >>718067179
Yes it is about difficulty
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:12:51 PM
No.718068692
>>718068837
>>718067179
>Take note From Software
They won't.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:13:42 PM
No.718068730
"its too hard" isn't a valid criticism though, and difficulty sliders can't be a feature in every game just because you want it to be so
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:14:11 PM
No.718068759
>>718068903
I used to act smugly at the notion of easy mode setting. But after Elden Ring I got burnt out and would rather treat it as a walking simulator than bother with the cheese combat. I still enjoy the world building and atmosphere.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:14:54 PM
No.718068809
>>718066569
>only shitters and trannies love souls games
ftfy
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:15:24 PM
No.718068837
>>718067179
>>718068692
They added summons to elden ring and have a giant golden arrow on the map pointing you to where you need to go
If youre still complaining you might just be a shitter
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:15:43 PM
No.718068852
>>718068609
So does PC, but for some reason only on soulslikes
>that's because you use the same button for sprint and dodge!
It doesn't take me 0.2 seconds to press and release a button.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:16:32 PM
No.718068903
>>718068759
Nothing's wrong with enjoying walking sims.
What's wrong is the notion of inclusion an easy mode in every game. And in my personal opinion - multiple difficulty levels at all. It only creates disparity between player experiences, and that's a bad thing.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:16:37 PM
No.718068907
Sars please do the needful and redeem Fromslop.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:17:02 PM
No.718068934
Souls fans have been criticizing the games from the start.
The reason journos get told off when they criticize souls games is because their criticisms are idiotic.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:17:24 PM
No.718068952
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:19:05 PM
No.718069046
>>718069132
>>718069148
The soulsshit era will be known in history as one of those "what the fuck were they thinking" fads
>hey remember that one time everyone forced themselves to play really really shitty games for almost two decades straight and brag about it because they convinced themselves they were somehow hardcore for it even though they were extremely cheesable games with no skill checks
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:20:06 PM
No.718069102
>>718066516 (OP)
I've only played Dark Souls 1 and Elden Ring and I consider myself a player of average skill. I'm currently getting destoyed by Malenia - but I was running a pure strenght build with no ashes and summons wearing Warrior's default outfit. So I've decided to play smarter and donned Lionel's armor and bleed effect on my iron cleaver +25. It's still difficult, but easier now. I can still use summons, all sorts of cheese tactics if I want to. My point is, there's plently of ways to make the game easier, if not easy. I didn't need any of that stuff before Malenia. If I could do it, most gamers can.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:20:38 PM
No.718069132
>>718069046
That's everybody else's fault for falling for a bunch of derivative uninspired products. Most of From's games are hits.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:20:56 PM
No.718069148
>>718069883
>>718069046
Chained Ogre was 5 years ago, you need to let go anon.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:21:07 PM
No.718069158
>>718067592
>You can show them an item set or strategy that trivializes any given boss and they won't want to do it because it's "cheesing" or whatever.
I agree generally in regards to Elden Ring with your broader point, but there does need to be multiple builds that can deal with a given enemy and it should be reasonable to determine an enemy's weaknesses/resistances from careful examination without resorting to wikifagging or excessive trial and error. I recall a good number of totally unintuitive enemies in ER that made it a pain to know what to use going in blind
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:22:07 PM
No.718069225
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:32:23 PM
No.718069785
>>718066516 (OP)
I mean, I can definitely see some argume-
>>718067179
>it's about accessibility
LMAO
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:33:20 PM
No.718069834
>>718069980
it's about difficulty sliders again, right?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:33:38 PM
No.718069850
>>718068008
Yeah these fags have really poisoned the well. So many shitters/zoomers who claim its the GOTYAY since they dont actually play any real games just can dismiss criticisms with "get gud" despite themselves only beating it at level 200 while abusing summons. Is Elden Ring a good game? sure, but it has numerous flaws, including a ton that are simple to fix or have been present and known for over 15 years. But fromsoft will never fix any of it because people just love consuming and defending terrible decisions, and the slop will only get worse
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:33:49 PM
No.718069867
>>718069963
>>718068149
Iโm talking about the NPCs that are programmed to dodge the moment you press a certain button, like the knights that will dodge to the right no matter what direction you fire an arrow in
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:34:01 PM
No.718069874
>>718068272
>ER is the easiest souls achtyually
>B...because muh "open world" and...uh....muh punishment
You could always grind to win in Souls games ever since DeS and you could always run through enemies without issues, which is why they finally accepted boss runbacks were dogshit in ER and gave you Marika's juicy steaks to get rid of the tedium while still having proper navigation.
Not to mention ER having actual enemies for a change rather than sandbags and sandbags with an HP bar and a name.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:34:14 PM
No.718069883
>>718070124
>>718069148
Sekiro is actually good though, which is why it's the redheaded step child of From games both in the studio and among fans, and why they never did anything like it again
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:34:31 PM
No.718069902
>>718077707
>>718066569
ive beaten 3 souls games and I just dont like them that much
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:35:45 PM
No.718069963
>>718069867
You mean the NPCs that are finally programmed to understand whether you're using certain projectiles and try to dodge them?
Please go ahead and post that Blaidd webm for the umpteenth time again while whining about issues that don't exist.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:36:08 PM
No.718069980
>>718069834
no point of a difficulty slider in souls when the boss fights are just simon says
>spend 15 minutes memorizing every attack animation
>suddenly you take no damage and your build is completely irrelevant
what a lame rpg
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:39:03 PM
No.718070124
>>718070251
>>718069883
>and why they never did anything like it again
Armored Core 6 is basically Sekiro with guns thoughbeit
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:41:23 PM
No.718070251
>>718070568
>>718070124
No it isn't. That's like saying an RPG is the same thing as a fighting game because they both have stuns.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:47:28 PM
No.718070568
>>718070681
>>718070251
Very disingenuous of you to compare two theoretical games in two different genres to AC6 and Sekiro which are both Action RPGs both lead by Masaru Yamamura.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:49:35 PM
No.718070681
>>718070568
I'll admit the comparison could use work and isn't exact. The point is that Sekiro and AC6 play really differently.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:51:51 PM
No.718070792
>>718080575
I only liked Demons Souls, Dark Souls 1 and Elden Ring. I didn't really like Dark Souls 2 or Dark Souls 3 or Bloodborne or Sekiro.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:53:16 PM
No.718070874
>>718077579
Newer games focusing more on fast action and super hard bosses you fight over and over again, rather than somewhat hard bosses that are exciting because you stand to lose more long term progress, is my main criticism.
See, that wasn't so hard, Polygon. It doesn't always have to be fucking accessibility again.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:53:29 PM
No.718070882
>>718071845
>>718066516 (OP)
Wuchang and lies of P both BTFO elden ring Miyazaki is washed
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:56:04 PM
No.718071019
Sekiro and AC6 are their best games by a country mile and neither of them are Souls games
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:58:33 PM
No.718071148
>>718071392
>>718066516 (OP)
Never played a soulslike. Never will. They just look like cover shooters for fantasy games. I'll go play games that are good instead.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:00:57 PM
No.718071278
>>718071336
>>718067179
>number of reviews on elden ring
>781k
>dead cells
>146k
>celeste
>111k
>lies of P
>46k
>Sifu
>16k
Huh...
Now why would a journalist argue for implementing principles from less successful games?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:01:20 PM
No.718071307
>>718076923
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:01:58 PM
No.718071336
>>718071278
And more so, why should anyone listen to their rant?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:02:58 PM
No.718071392
>>718071148
rock wheel 2 was simplified crap
rock wheel 1 was much better
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:06:05 PM
No.718071574
>>718067179
Elden ring is beyond goddamn easy if you use the right tool why are these shitters so obsessed. Criticize something actually bad why don't you
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:07:58 PM
No.718071685
>>718071821
>>718071882
Is Elden Ring easy or have all of you just build up souls skill over the years of playing all the games? remember that Ornstein and Smough were considered really hard bosses back in the day but now they would be seen as easy.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:09:08 PM
No.718071769
>>718066516 (OP)
i played 2 nightreign expeditions on launch and left a negative review and haven't played it again since.
i was told solo expiditions were poorly balanced so i played with randoms, they were already experienced enough with the game to be running up to shit, using it, and running off before i can even see what the thing they're interacting with is called. sometimes we end up in a church or room with a half dozen things to do or grab and if i take a half second to look at it, the allies are long gone and the rain is hot on my heels.
zero means of communicating with them, gestures are literally useless when the game is "move fast NOW" at all times when there's no boss health bar on screen. sixty different tutorial popups in an hour's gameplay, half of which are brand new to this game or totally changed from previous games
i bet it's plenty of fun for the people with 100 discord friends they can group up with at literally any time of day, but as a fucking loser loner like myself, the game was dogshit. pure dogshit experience for every minute the game was running
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:09:26 PM
No.718071796
>>718066516 (OP)
Got you covered.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:09:49 PM
No.718071821
>>718078957
>>718071685
Outside of the DLC there's a handful of truly hard bosses, like Margit, Radahn or Malenia, but other than that, it's perfectly fine
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:10:13 PM
No.718071845
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:10:46 PM
No.718071882
>>718071685
elden ring also has way more tools for the player to use. O+S would be a cakewalk if you had hoarfrost stomp
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:12:07 PM
No.718071972
>>718066569
Well, Nintendo players also hat-
>shitters and trannies
Oh wait, you did mention them
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:13:04 PM
No.718072025
>>718066584
IT says llm nonsense.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:13:38 PM
No.718072057
>>718072283
I don't see the appeal in these games. Seems like third world take on RPGs or action games. Fromsoft's work is always shoddy and low quality that even the most most low iq retard could shit out a better clone.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:14:49 PM
No.718072139
I can't beat this game, even with every crutch enabled, so game is le bad? Wooooow!
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:16:54 PM
No.718072283
>>718072380
>>718072859
>>718072057
Fromsoft is the only developer to still care about making good games instead of using games as a vessel for woke agendas or money-making gambling schemes. And they do it with more polish, optimization, and finesse than any other developer in the last 20 years.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:18:19 PM
No.718072380
>>718072464
>>718072283
>optimization
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:18:32 PM
No.718072394
>>718066516 (OP)
true
the privilege should be reserved for people with an IQ over 100, though; so subhuman tendie retards like you are sadly out of luck :(
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:18:46 PM
No.718072410
>>718066569
Based and true
>>718072380
Fromsoft games always run beautifully. I've never experienced a frame drop in any Fromsoft game on any console.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:19:38 PM
No.718072475
>>718079463
Base NG is already the easy mode, even someone suffering from a disability can beat Dark Souls 1 because the game relies on builds rather than reaction times.
Also AC6 NG+2 has some missions that are tougher than Souls games, required to get the true ending, nobody complained about that game.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:20:29 PM
No.718072530
The only thing I never liked in the Souls series was the shitty inputs for jumping. Everything else I'd keep the same, other than making the netcode not garbage with regards to backstab detection.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:22:19 PM
No.718072645
>>718067179
>They're still seething that people in 2011 told them to "git gud"
That's what this all comes back to, I think. It's not even a matter of difficulty, since every Souls game has a way to play like a braindead retard and win by stacking defense, or else just summoning phantoms that will beat the game for you. I think they're just perennially angry that the game's difficulty is fixed and that there's a culture around taking pride in playing skillfully to beat it. What they actually want is a world where they turn on assists that tune down damage and enemy speed by 50% and everyone pats them on the back and calls them a real gamer for doing so
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:24:13 PM
No.718072787
>>718072464
This is obvious b8, but you didn't play ds3 on xbox clearly
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:25:29 PM
No.718072859
>>718072283
>Fromslop
>polish
>optimization
Lmao
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:30:35 PM
No.718073203
>>718067328
>>718067469
nintroondo knelt to FROM
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:33:25 PM
No.718073364
>>718072464
You never played Bloodborne, then. I also suspect you only ever played post-patch versions. Every single one of these games has released in a totally broken fucked up state.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:44:23 PM
No.718074019
>>718072464
there was a time when even people who never touched a souls game in their life knew about blightown
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:56:19 PM
No.718074798
>>718076146
>>718067179
What do these people think Summons, consumables, buffs, and more are for? Fromsoft's design philosophy is making games where you can adjust the difficulty to your own liking by learning to make use of all the tools offered.
You just have to put the minimum intellectual effort to figure out what'll make the game easier.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:17:15 PM
No.718076146
>>718076763
>>718083668
>>718074798
They made elden ring knowing that you should be using that stuff though, so they overcompensated and now bosses have massive health pools, input reading, complicated combos, etc.
I liked back in DS1 when you could just hit a guy with your sword and maybe one buff and its chill.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:22:40 PM
No.718076509
>>718066516 (OP)
Has Polygon lived under a rock for the past decade since there are dozens of negative videos about Souls games with hunderds of thousands and even millions of views.
Polygon and the like complain about "not being able to critizice" Souls games because finally people are calling out their shitty arguments.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:22:40 PM
No.718076510
>>718076643
Yeah I went back to play DaS1 and Artorias is so fucking SLOW.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:23:11 PM
No.718076537
>>718066569
>trannies
>hating Souls games
In what world?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:24:42 PM
No.718076643
>>718076792
>>718076510
and thats a good thing
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:26:34 PM
No.718076763
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:26:53 PM
No.718076792
>>718076643
It's fucking great yeah.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:28:52 PM
No.718076923
>>718071307
I came to post the same video
I won't be lectured on video game difficulty by people who are incapable of even controlling them
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:29:04 PM
No.718076934
>>718077543
Logically though. The factually easiest way to play through the game is as a speed runner. Easy mode is literally hyperbuffing mode. Summoning is actually harder or otherwise speed runners would do it. This is FACTUAL.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:35:55 PM
No.718077420
>>718077473
>>718082307
>>718067272
>Theres plenty of valid criticisms of the From games
No, there isn't
>If the first thing on your list is "Its too hard" it means you arent good enough to find the actual problems and you deserve to be ignored
Anyone who believes they know better than Fromsoftware, even when they actually make mistakes such as Bed of Chaos in their experimenting.
The average /v/ poster is no better than gaming journalists nor a better game designer than Polygon. Make a GOTY before you attempt to "fix" the others
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:36:47 PM
No.718077473
>>718077420
And this is why we call you things Fromdrones.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:37:58 PM
No.718077543
>>718077691
>>718078046
>>718076934
>The factually easiest way to play through the game is as a speed runner.
You think this and it can be true on some routes. Regardless, these runs usually sacrifice durability to an extreme degree and don't get all the nice upgrades so their flasks suck. Like Elden Ring before they fixed the wrong warp stuff used to be insanely hard even with busted Hoarfrost Stomp and despite the fact that it was only a couple bosses, you were fighting endgame bosses that would one-shot you with nearly everything with shit for gear.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:38:24 PM
No.718077579
>>718070874
>Newer games focusing more on fast action and super hard bosses
False
>you fight over and over again
shitter is projecting
>rather than somewhat hard bosses that are exciting because you stand to lose more long term progress, is my main criticism.
the first story progression boss in the series is 20 meters from where you spawn
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:39:52 PM
No.718077691
>>718077543
>Like Elden Ring before they fixed the wrong warp stuff used to be insanely hard even with busted Hoarfrost Stomp and despite the fact that it was only a couple bosses, you were fighting endgame bosses that would one-shot you with nearly everything with shit for gear.
False, you just crutched on a bugged ability because you were a shitter
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:40:01 PM
No.718077707
>>718069902
Why would you beat three games you donโt like? Iโve never done that in my life
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:40:55 PM
No.718077776
>>718078407
>>718066516 (OP)
>polygon
They still alive?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:42:19 PM
No.718077864
>>718077965
>>718066516 (OP)
DS1 was seen as having a flawed and rushed second half even on release and DS2 was panned by a lot of critics
Elden Ring is the only one you aren't allowed to say anything bad about because it became pop-culture hit with zoomers and they are incapable of hearing anything but undue praise
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:43:45 PM
No.718077965
>>718079942
>>718077864
post your own personal gameplay in the form of you livestreaming yourself while you give your own precious criticism
we need your expertise and mastery
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:44:54 PM
No.718078046
>>718078138
>>718077543
I fucking hate so much that If I replay Elden Ring I'm spending the first couple hours on a horse picking things up. I wish I could stop myself.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:45:44 PM
No.718078114
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:46:01 PM
No.718078131
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:46:07 PM
No.718078138
>>718078225
>>718078046
CE?
Pretty sure there's also a mod that adds every item in the game to the round table merchant
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:47:28 PM
No.718078225
>>718078138
I tried doing that but I just drop characters early If they start out complete.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:49:48 PM
No.718078407
>>718077776
Pretty sure the articles are entirely AI gen at this point
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:57:25 PM
No.718078957
>>718071821
>like Margit
wait, that's not a tutorial boss?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 6:01:50 PM
No.718079261
>Only now realizing that the mining spell can be channelled forever for huge damage.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 6:04:48 PM
No.718079463
>>718072464
Not to pile on but the reason their games "run beautifully" is because they target previous generation specs. For example, Elden Ring came out in 2022 and was on PS4 (2013 hardware) despite the fact that the PS5 came out in 2020.
Their games have good art direction but they're not graphical powerhouses by any means.
This is actually a good thing, mind you, but just wanted to point out that it isn't due to some programming wizardry. For a game that is actually optimized I recommend looking at Witchfire.
>>718072475
I assume nobody complained about AC6 because barely anyone played it and of those who did I assume only the most hardcore of players actually went through NG+2. Also it was a lot more cheeseable with Zimmermans+Songbirds.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 6:11:44 PM
No.718079942
>>718081813
>>718077965
>dude stream it!!
zoomer faggot alert
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 6:11:53 PM
No.718079957
>>718067932
why don't you play the games you prefer then retarded amerimutt
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 6:18:56 PM
No.718080454
So /v/ is just okay with P*lygon niggers at this point?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 6:21:04 PM
No.718080575
>>718070792
Sekiro > DS1 > ER >>>DS2>>>>>DS3
(my opinion is objective and my experiences are universal)
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 6:30:53 PM
No.718081203
I only play Fromsoft souls games. It's their genre. Why would I play other shitters copying them?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 6:35:02 PM
No.718081506
>>718081613
>>718081813
I hate staminashit
But will tolerate it if the game is good; Lies of P.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 6:35:49 PM
No.718081554
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 6:36:38 PM
No.718081613
>>718081506
Still inferior to all of Fromsoft offerings
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 6:36:50 PM
No.718081630
>>718067592
>it's a boss turn that lasts 5 times longer than yours where in dark souls, even bloodborne you could trade 1 for 1 hit.
You're playing the game wrong. Legitimately. The game is expecting you not to wait for the boss to do their whole fancy combo, because if you're not attacking a boss of course they'll keep trying to attack you. You can attack a boss during a combo and often stagger them out of it (or have plenty of openings to do so if you use any defensive maneuvers other than spam-rolling directly away from the boss). The game rewards you for being aggressive and attacking the boss frequently by giving you stance breaks (and bosses will recover their entire stance bar if you don't attack them for a few seconds). There's generous hyper armor, poise, and about a million different ways to get really heavy defense. The entire point of using slow weapons is so that you can face-tank, trade with a boss, and come out on top.
Literally the only bosses this isn't trivial on are Malenia (because she heals from hitting you but she has so little poise that you'll probably stagger her anyways) and Consort Radahn (because he has too much poise and hits too hard). The entire rest of the game you can basically just use Wild Strikes and facefuck the boss until they die if you built your character semi-competently.
There's reasons to criticize Souls games and Elden Ring, but this has always been the epitome of a midwit complain that shows that the person complaining just refuses to play the game differently than Dark Souls 1 despite having about a million new tools to use against bosses.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 6:39:25 PM
No.718081780
My biggest beef with Soulslikes is that the genre has effectively gained a monopoly on the concept of difficulty in the public eye, you can no longer criticize any game for a lack of challenge without being met with "go play Dark Souls if you want difficulty"
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 6:39:56 PM
No.718081813
>>718081506
>I hate staminashit
we know, shitter
>>718079942
figures, shitter
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 6:45:17 PM
No.718082153
>>718066516 (OP)
honest discussion with polygon?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 6:47:37 PM
No.718082307
>>718077420
>No, there isn't
yeahhhhhh boy get in there and suck that cock real deep like now
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 6:56:46 PM
No.718082938
SotE would've been the most kino thing ever released if they didn't character assassinate miqqy and cut his ending
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 7:07:13 PM
No.718083668
>>718076146
That's unfortunately just how progressive difficulty goes with every new title. DS3 felt harder than DS1 (DS2 plays differently so the comparison isnt there) because of the boss speeds and complex combos, and the same comparison exists with ER being harder than DS3. Really, the whole point of the games is the fun of being able to achieve success either through problem-solving (figuring out buffs, changing playstyles, etc.) or through pure skill. ER certainly felt like the weakest title, but for all its faults it's definitely the easiest souls title purely for all of the shit you can do to ease difficulty.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 7:07:36 PM
No.718083689
>>718066516 (OP)
Nothing stops people from criticizing them just like nothing stops others from saying most of the criticisms are retarded
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 7:14:55 PM
No.718084171
>>718084396
>use a normal weapon
>can only get to +1 (Out of 25) If I go to the correct specific spot at the start of the game
>use a special weapon
>+10 max upgrade without even facing a boss
Why did they decide to do this?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 7:18:16 PM
No.718084396
>>718085283
>>718084171
>the correct specific spot at the start of the game
You mean the church ruins that are directly ahead of you when you get to the open world? The one the grace even leads you to?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 7:29:22 PM
No.718085157
Soulsragers are a weird bunch. There's definitely something wrong with them intellectually.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 7:31:13 PM
No.718085283
>>718085614
>>718084396
You are telling me you didn't beeline straight for the giant tree in the distance?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 7:34:45 PM
No.718085519
>>718067592
>it's a boss turn that lasts 5 times longer than yours
Explain why this is inherently bad.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 7:36:14 PM
No.718085614
>>718085283
No I thought it would be smarter to explore what was around me first which was apparently the right call.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 7:39:35 PM
No.718085832
>It's another "dark souls needs easy mode" article
of course. there are merited criticisms to be made of Souls games, but journos are incapable of articulating them.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 7:52:49 PM
No.718086736
>>718066516 (OP)
I know that the article is just about "Too hard. think of the disabled retards", but there's a crumb of a point to the title.
I've gotten backlash for just pointing out bad boss design because people equate it to saying the fight is too hard.