Thread 718207750

Red Dead Redemption 1 is superior to 2
>no shitty aim sway that makes you miss on purpose
>not limited to two rifles
>great soundtrack
>better characters
>less tedious hunting
>horses aren't annoying (i.e. they don't run into trees face first or trip over small rocks)
>better honor system, 2's removes missions from your playthrough
>less convoluted story, don't even remember a quarter of 2's story

People only think 2 is better because they think more = better

Wow!
That's amazing.
I'm really happy for you.

>>718207750 (OP)
Rdr1 has plenty of random events and I think even more gang hideouts lol.

RDR1 was fairly honest about being GTA Horse but with a bit more character depth. 2 tried to be this bizarre mishmash of open world creative sandbox AND tightly scripted cinematic movie game and the two halves don't harmonise at all.

>>718207750 (OP)
2's gameplay is better and only contrarian casuals say otherwise and has easily the best open world of any game ever, but its story and atmosphere are MOGGED so hard by 1 that they might as well not have been made by the same company.

>>718207750 (OP)
>Rdr1 is 15 years old
Think about that for a second

>>718208002
2 gameplay is ruined by le realistic animations

>>718207750 (OP)
>Less tedious hunting

Yeah going outside of Blackwater and throwing a stick of dynamite in the buffalo herd and then shoving 1000lbs of meat and pelts in your pockets was real deep engaging gameplay. Or going to Tall Trees and mowing down wave after wave of grizzly bears banzai charging at you.

WORK, YA DAMN NAG!

>>718208095
nah i love the animations and faggots who want everything to be made with the same design philosophy forever are not my friend
nooo you cant have amazingly detailed animations! its CLUNKY OH GOD THE CLUNK I CANNOT ADAPT TO A VIDEO GAME

>>718207750 (OP)
>has zombies

>>718208127
Yeah because being limited to one big pelt per hunting trip is a much better system

>>718208168
EEEUGGGHH! WHAT DID YOU EAT!

>>718208296
>he didn't bring 2 horses

I think a lot of people miss the slow progression of John's theme throughout the game, the difference in how it sounds from Justice in Pike's Basin to when he's getting in huge shootouts in Mexico and his resurrection sting in Undead Nightmare is so fucking good.
Did Arthur even have a song of his own in the same vein?

>>718207750 (OP)
Much better ambient music too especially Blackwater/Great Plains/Tall Trees

>>718207750 (OP)
Revolver has all that plus sixth generation SOVL
https://youtu.be/2TnnvDYE1NY?si=gZ1UFpKxuJMQ3Kbd

People only use the Redemption games to larp

>>718208279
They did a better job with Max payne 3 cause animations are on the same level of detail, but the game is way more responsive.

>>718208279
The animations are fine, they just need to be snappier, this "realistic" half-second input delay while the character builds "momentum" is just pulls me right out of the game because the character is not doing what my brain and hands want them to do.

>>718208418
they're all kino.

https://youtu.be/gwYQ1_NKReA?si=lYqHNBY8mnwYYu6V

>>718208296
Yes. It makes you pay attention to what you're hunting immerses you in the world instead of just going deadeye and massacring the first herd of elk you see with the bolt action rifle.

Though you should've eventually been to get a wagon or something that you could offload multiple pelts onto.

>>718208589
>the AGL is akshually good

>>718207750 (OP)
This is obviously correct.
Rdr2 is fun for wandering around hunting and fishing and stuff, but that's it. The stories and characters in 2 are absolute garbage. Rdr1 even had better sunsets and sunrises, don't know how they managed to fuck that up in 2.

>>718208780
>I don;t actually enjoy things in video games, I just want to finish them as quick as possible

>>718208589
The hunting system is clearly designed around doing it purely to bring food back to camp, which is pretty fucking gay because it means longterm trips in the wild eventually turn into debating on which 3star pelt to keep in your passenger seat when returning to the civilised world.

>>718208993
>gets big pelt
>can't fit anymore on horse
>sell pelt
>return to hunting
>repeat 1000 times
So much fun

RDR 1 gets shit for being wacky but then people ignore this mission. Yeah a character might be layered in irony, but that's better than trying to take the character seriously only for him to fly around in hot air balloons or go on a wacky island adventure to overthrow cuba.

RDR1 has better minigames and shooting
everything else is worse
story is absolute dogshit, if John didn't die at the end no one would give 2 shits about it
90% of the game you spend doing favors for random people who may or may not help you at all
I mean that fucking snake oil merchant has more screentime than Bill, Javier and Dutch combined

>>718208350
>I think a lot of people miss the slow progression of John's theme throughout the game
>Did Arthur even have a song of his own in the same vein?
LMAO yeah, his song gets remixed by a rapper
https://youtu.be/A_Di-jOTLLE?si=wxu5IQ8C3hJbRXox&t=509

>>718209142
RDR2 literally has a UFO and Nosferatu in it. Also the whole "Lenny" mission in the saloon. How the hell could anyone ever think that 1 is more "wacky"

>>718209227
Nigel West Dickens is unironically a better character for not being trapped within the confines of RDR canon the way Bill and Dutch are. Nigel, Irish and Seth do much more with their screentime than most of the gang in 2.

>>718209227
>90% of the game you spend doing favors for random people who may or may not help you at all
But enough about GTA 4

>>718209227
Your opinion is dogshit and you're wrong

>>718209312
Unshaken, forsaken
Been awakened to the sounds of guns blazing
Lives taken where I lived at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JK2FR6FFiU

>>718209398
the point is that they're "villains" and they're barely even in the game

>>718209398
This. The majority of the gang members in 2
1. have barely any personality
2. bare little significance to the plot
These are some of the most boring, nothing characters R* has ever written.

>>718209227
I don't remember a mission from RDR2. Most of the story you're running around like a dipshit doing nothing. At least the goals are clear for each RDR1 mission.

>>718209089
If only there were pelts that weren't big pelts.

>>718208039
Tech has not really advanced since the 2010s. It's all the same shit, just slightly improved. I used my 2014 PC until 2023, and could have done so a while longer.

>>718209567
>the point is that they're "villains" and they're barely even in the game
It's the exact same with the pinkerton guy (literally forgot his name because he's so forgettable). At least Dutch and Bill Williamson were memorable in the cutscenes they were in.

>>718209604
>gets two little small pelts
>everything you get another pelt you have to remove the big one and place it on then replace the big one
I love when hunting is 50% holding a button and moving pelts around

>>718207750 (OP)
>no shitty aim sway that makes you miss on purpose
I'm agnostic on this issue. I thought it felt good and the "slowness" people complain about, I was able to work with, and lead, but then again, this was also before I ever concerned myself with multiplayer shooters that are all about the aiming gunplay. I can't really speak on it.
>not limited to two rifles
Seems like a non-issue to me.
>great soundtrack
That's a bullshit thing to add. RDR2 has a fantastic soundtrack. The only parts I didn't care much for were the normal AMBIENT tracks. I think RDR1 had far better, and far more ambient background tracks than what you hear in RDR2, but even then, they weren't total crap. The tracks that play in the different towns during shootouts though are great, when I first did a shootout in Saint Denis and heard the track kick in with the police blowing their whistles I thought it was certified kino. That's one of the better things about RDR2, and the tracks change based on the intensity of the situation, which isn't new for rockstar, but there are some that add so much to the atmosphere when you are sneaking around out of site and the police are looking for you https://youtu.be/xcG_uNYv83I
>horses aren't annoying (i.e. they don't run into trees face first or trip over small rocks)
Total non-issue and I feel like the last time I played they changed the horses to make them more handholdy, and if they did I can only imagine it's because of people like you, in which case, you resulted in the worsening of a game you never even liked so congratulations.
>less tedious hunting
I enjoyed it. Good for you I guess.
>better honor system, 2's removes missions from your playthrough
Reasonable.
>less convoluted story, don't even remember a quarter of 2's story
I'll agree.

>>718209753
>far more ambient
I meant atmospheric. RDR1 also had a neat detail where tracks would change when you would wear the U.S. Army outfit, it would add drums to the tracks. Not that 2 is absent of attention to detail, very far from it.

>>718208570
>It looks like you'll spend the rest of your life...DEAD!
Gaming attempting to become an "artistically legitimate" industry really took the fun out of it

>>718207750 (OP)
The 0.7s of input lag that's inherent in literally every version of RDR2 kills any replay value of it for me. Once you find out about it you can literally feel it any time you move your mouse.

>>718210218
Even in the aiming? That's bizzare.

>>718209142
Observation balloons were definitely a thing in the 1800s

But back to the point, most of RDR2's setting and setpieces were stupid. Doing missions for a mafia don in New Orleans and fucking around in Cuba is stupid for a cowboy game. The best part of the map is Ambarino and they don't do anything with it.

>>718207750 (OP)
>no revolver fanning
i don't think so, tim

>>718209501
>low honor arthur's soundtrack is niggerbeats about being an antisocial retard
what did rockstar mean by this?

>>718207750 (OP)
Rdr2 is a shit game and people don't want to admit that. Nothing about it is good

>>718211152
Have fun with that I guess.

>>718208095
ADHD faggot

>>718207996
What do you mean? The world in RD2 is probably the most realistic and deailed world ever.

why cant you fucking donate money to the camp. You literally have to scroll your wheel for 5 minutes to put 5 dollars lol.

>>718210297
Yeah. A lot of people blame it on the over-lengthened animations (which is its own problem) but even the aiming input has huge lag. Thought it would be porting issues but it's apparently on the console versions too.

>>718214659
are you retarded?

>>718214693
??? The only way to donate cash is by scrolling the wheel on pc which takes forever since its in cents. Wtf do you mean

>>718214772
you really should play with a controller. and it gets faster the longer you hold it.

>>718214831
well sorry i;m playong on a superior platform

>>718214865
mouse and keyboard are for working with spreadsheets

does upgrading camp do anything

>>718207750 (OP)
I didn't read past the title but thanks for making this thread because you're correct and based.

>>718213575
Yeah but it's not fun.

>>718213575
NTA, and I enjoy RDR2 a lot but the game will take control away from you during missions or if you decide to do something the mission doesn't expect / like. Even in the open world it snatches control from you during ambushes and other encounters. 6

It's inconsistent too, I'm doing a playthrough right now and in the part where you arrive at Rhodes and have to chase down some prisoners to get deputised there's a set piece where you fight a guy unarmed (the mission says not to kill any of them) on the top of a train carriage. I ran up to the guy and missed the prompt or something, and for some reason Arthur decided to draw his sawn-off and blow the guy's head off instead of just punching him. It worked the second time6 I think the devs do this stuff on purpose. When you're just roaming around hunting and exploring it's bliss.

>>718215239
well it allows you to fast travel for one thing. but you shouldn't fast travel in this game.

>>718215339
it's heaps of fun

what??

my game bugged out and you cant ask the gay trainticket guy about stage coaches no more

I saw people hype up RDR2 by saying it had realistic horse ball swelling during cold or hot weather and i could instantly tell it was probably gonna be a boring snoozefest with a hyperfixation on small details.
Also the MC was 100% guaranteed to be politically correct.
I found myself vindicated when it all proved accurate.

bruh what is this place

>>718207750 (OP)
1 has more fun side quests and challenges, half of 2s challenges are boring collectatons. Who actully did the ciggarette card collections?

>>718207750 (OP)
I finished rdr2 4 times but coudn't finish 1 even once because I got bored since the world is just boring to explore. Maybe I'm too much of a boomer.

So the new contrarian opinion to have is that rdr1 has better story than rdr2 despite being clearly not true. Contrarians HAVE to say this because when it comes to gameplay or almost everything else rdr2 is objectively superior, so they need to go for subjective garbage like "muh story"

>>718210298
Riding up on the Braithwaites with the entire gang to get Jack back was fucking kino homie.

>>718215339
It's fun to me and many other people.

>>718207750 (OP)
>>People only think 2 is better because they think more = better
no they think : i creied = good

>>718221820
no, we think it's good because we had fun for 80 hours.

>>718207750 (OP)
Rdr2 is easily the best game ever made, I don't think most people are even aware or appreciate just magnitude of it

>>718222249
you didn't

>>718207750 (OP)
I like both :)

>>718207996
>>718213575
>>718215745
RDR2 is an awesome cowboy sim tied to a shitty on rails story.

>>718222640
>Rdr2 is easily the best sim ever made
FTFY
Anyone expecting an actual game will be bored and disappointed.

>>718207750 (OP)
The pacing is much better in the first game, i'll give it that.

>>718225662
2 doesnt even have any pacing at all. Its just one long, boring, tedious drag.
Story is absolutely retarded too.

>>718224082
same

>>718207750 (OP)
Arthur sucks. I hate how he’s written like a progressive liberal despite being a 1800s outlaw.

>>718220293
What is better about rdr2 objectively except taking up 10x more space in my hard drive

>>718227323
His "character progression" is overrated too. Depending on which ending you choose he may not even progress at all, even then in the good ending he's just helping a fellow hand member instead of the others that he doesn't like anymore

Why does nobody talk about one of the best expansions ever?

>>718217374
Thats the place where you body check the entire tribe into camp fires

>>718207996
correct. RDR2 is a schizo game. They tried to make it small part RPG with sometimes dialogue choice and few RPG elements, while also keeping it tightly scripted. It's a clusterfuck

>>718231224
RDR2 is a shit game* is what you meant

Gun>both

>>718209753
>The only parts I didn't care much for were the normal AMBIENT tracks
Really? 2 has so many of them, like an absurd amount of ambient tracks and I love it. Even hearing one just makes me want to hop back into the world. Just listen to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjcI8-BHfog

>>718207750 (OP)
RDR1 isn't even a video game, its a walking simulator.

>>718232251
The ambient music in 1 is so much better

>>718232309
>playing rdr2
>game forces you to walk extremely slowly frequently
>won't even let me walk in front of whoever I'm following
Do rdr2 stans have any self-awareness?
Why do

Stealth in RDR2 is a fucking joke. Eventually the enemies will discover you anyways, making it such a half-assed system. RDR1 doesn't have a set stealth mechanic (although it has a stealth mission) but that's better than having one that you can't even completely take advantage of.

>>718232251
Maybe. I didn't dislike them, they just didn't stand out to me quite as much as those in the first game. https://youtu.be/nefoDgwo6n8

>>718207750 (OP)
If you have good taste, like the Red Dead series, and lastly are not jaded. Then you'll enjoy both. But they say you're a faggot if you try to pit one against the other, while trying to proclaim one is shit and one's good. So I guess you're a shitter.

>>718232664
https://youtu.be/wdPL4sxeWao
https://youtu.be/m4gzQRJOmeI

>>718232664
I love 1's ambient tracks too, but I think both games are equal in terms of them. Woody Jackson is a fantastic composer and the sheer volume of stuff there is in 2 is mindblowing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jd_SPHbSQk

>>718207750 (OP)
Horses (in all aspects) and hunting is better in 2 but that's it.
Like the other anon said, RDR2 feels like two games mashed together, a sandbox and a rails on story

>>718232926
To be fair, it's possible I hadn't heard all of the ambient tracks. I wasn't able to complete the game because my xbox died, that's what I played the game on. I never really got around to the North East side of the map for example. Maybe I'd appreciate it all more in retrospect.

>>718208002
>'s gameplay is better
It's really not.
1 knew it was an arcadey cover shooter and is designed for that.
2 goes too hard on muh realism while still being a cover shooter so everything is just awkward as fuck. Movement, shooting, taking over.
American Venom is probably the worst quest in the game because it's so focused on being le EPIC that it forgets to add cover.

>>718214689
Is there anything that can be done to remove it

kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLzuwAwKVC0

>>718233127
The horse movement in 2 is absolutely shit, the customization is cool but there are still plenty of options in 1. Hunting in 2 is dogshit too, you're limited to like 6 pelts per hunt

>>718233526
hell yeah, this track is so cool

Hyper elite triple A gaming realism

played RDR1 after years of hearing how much better it is than the sequel. I was greatly disappointed. Still a good game, but highly overrated. Also it reminded me how bad rockstar's writing was during that era.

>>718233536
>The horse movement in 2 is absolutely shit
I legitimately have never understood this complaint and even less so when it is brought up in conjunction with the first game. The horses in the first game are terrible comparatively, there's no fine movement at all, there's plenty of times where you find yourself being unable to move the horse because there isn't an animation for it at a certain speed.

2's horses control so much better at every speed, I genuinely not only think the horses are fine in 2 I think they're great, it feels fantastic riding them

>>718229218
It's all a matter of approach.
John doesn't have any character development either, but that's fine because that's not what the game is going for. John hadbhai character development before the story began and the thematic around it is the meaning of redemption and forgiveness in a wider, social context.
RDR2 is just a lot simpler. Arthur was a bad guy, is faced with death and now seeks some form of personal redemption. There's nothing wrong with it as a story, but it's very uncomplicated. Unlike John's redemption, which ties in the The themes of the death of the old west, centralization of power security in civilization vs freedom in wilderness, it's just a standard morality story that could fit anywhere.

>>718233762
>playing rdr2
>on horseback
>run over small rock
>get sent flying off of horse
>get back on horse
>traveling through wooded area
>graze a tree
>horse falls over
Yeah so much better than rdr1

>>718207750 (OP)
RDR1 is a great game
But I struggle to imagine what it does better than RDR2 if you're looking for a Cowbow simulator game.

>>718233891
Rdr1 is much better for being a cowboy than rdr2 what a stupid fucking statement

>>718233876
I love how easy it becomes to tell when someone played the game. Keep making shit up annon.

>>718207996
>and the two halves don't harmonise at all.
4contrarian cope.

>>718233536
I disagree, the horses have a lot lore sway and weight in 2 and the different in breeds and stats really can feel different.
In they're mostly the same and feel very mechanic.
I don't really mind the limitations for hunting because it fits pretty well with everything around it, being deliberate and slow. You have to wander around, hear for sounds, plant some lure, pick the right ammo. 2's realistic slowness is only egregious when it clashes heavily with the unrealistic aspects of the game, like those movie shootouts where Arthur is expected to shoot 300 people alone.
The superior environments help a lot too. RDR2 has maybe the best wilderness in any game I've ever seen. You walk off the path and cities and you can truly get lost in those forests and creeks and meadows, all teaming with life.

>>718233891
Being the best golden age western game adaptation instead of realism wank that rdr2 is

>>718233876
I know you're exaggeration for comedic effect, but despite this being more frustrating, once you master the basics it becomes a feature because it turns horseriding into something more complex than just a transportation mode. You need to pay attention to your surroundings, rode in slower speeds on forested environments and so on

>>718234436
Hi Kojima

>>718233891
But one of the advantages of 1 is the cowboy simulator.
Most of the game places you in famous western settings like the planes of Texas, the deserts of Arizona and California, even the snow covered mountains of Sierra Nevada.
RDR2 has you spending time on fucking Louisiana, New Orleans, goddamn Cuba. It's not western at all.

>>718234819
I wish.
Kojimbo has scanned (read sniffed) that delicious Fanning butt

>>718234436
The horse will literally wrestle control away from you if you ride it near a tree/trees. There have been instances of me riding one between two trees that aren't even that close to each other but the horse still does its correction bullshit (which is made worse because people who can actually control the damn thing are punished for implementing their mechanical skill to avoid a collision by this) and the damn thing brains itself on a thin tree I would have outright avoided if it didn't try to tardwrangle me. I can only assume this is some sort of retard proofing or lingering effect from how the horse drives itself in that cinematic ride mode feature or whatever but the fact that I can't fucking turn it off so that I can actually ride my horse through middling terrain with confidence that my inputs are respected is horrible.

>>718209142
I was rolling my eyes at a lot of the missions but this one legit made me mad. So fucking stupid. The prison break it leads to is awful as well

>>718234436
Wow I love the thought of having to walk on eggshells around tiny rocks and fences. So immersive bro

>have a shootout with like 20 enemies
oh boy time to spend 5 literal minutes watching arthur slowly pick through their pockets

>>718207750 (OP)
They're both modern leftist reimaginations of life in 1800s America, but RDR2 is far more woke

>>718229342
YOU EAT BABIES

>>718233891
>if you're looking for a Cowbow simulator game.
That's where 2 loses me. I don't want an immersive cinematic sim. I want tight gameplay where I shoot bandits, which 1 offers and 2 does not

>>718235126
Horses will naturally avoid hitting objects but the player needs to stop tapping X and pressing the stick forward, otherwise it gets confused by the different inputs and crashes.
>>718235405
It's not as you describe and yeah, horses aren't made to run full speed in the middle of a forest.

>>718235764
That's fucking retarded, let me control my game R*. I am not a retarded female streamer that needs to look at the facepad buttons every 2 seconds.
Move that shit to accessibility settings.

>>718235391
Most rage inducing missions, from less to more are:
Freeing Micah from Strawberry
The Balloon
The Federal prison breakout.
They're all enraging because they're the clearest and most blatant piercing of your suspension of disbelief. The game proposed realism in its gameplay and wants to take it's story seriously but it's impossible to hear Dutch's or Hosea's pleas about law enforcement chasing the gang when Arthur and Sadie and Micah can just massacre hordes of policemen and citizenry and face basically zero consequences for it.
Sadie being a Mary Sue that spits on the game's themes and is constantly shilled universe also makes her the most unbearable character Rockstar ever created

>>718235830
I like it because horses having their own inputs makes them feel alive and different from just a four legged car. But I understand why people wouldn't like it.

>set up all of my guns on my horse
>start mission
>get off horse
>stuck with just my revolver
it happens at least 4 times an hour its maddening

>>718236372
I usually just ride with a gun out because of this bullshit.

Nobody ever talks about how the acting in the gist game is way better and more natural than in 2. How the fuck did that happen? They're all the same actors but they forgot how to act in the 8 years between games

>>718236372
R* games have always been pretty railroaded in missions but RDR2 takes to ludicrously and unnecessary levels.
Your guns are overwritten, you can't divert from the set path even a little bit, there's set flags for things to happen at all times.

The double action revolvers in 2 are fucking awful

>>718236578
That's because all shooting outside of the first person camera view is purposefully shit and inaccurate for {{{realism}}}, the forced swaying + bloom + accuracy from holding the shot, don't apply at all in first person.

>>718236578
Double action revolvers are for pansies
Might as well use an automatic pistol like a woman
A real man only needs Major George Schofield's patented cavalry revolver. Superior in everyway to that crap Colt makes.

>>718236483
arthurs the worst he sounds like a fucking cartoon character

>>718236578
True, they feel like peashooters

>>718236694
I'm not playing a cover shooter on 1st person tho

>>718236537
>do any fucking mission
>just want to rely on my revolver(s)
>the second I get off my horse the game spawns 2 guns on my back
>one of these guns is always the fucking carbine repeater
>have to deposit the long guns back on horse every time this trigger happens just to play how I want

>>718236372
This too, the shitty gun system just fucks with you constantly. Such a retarded mechanic but muh realism

>>718236824
This shit triggered me so much.

>>718236483
Wyd? The performances are one of the game's best features and everyone is very good.
Except Sadie. She's clearly forcing that voice. I don't mind much because I think it's hot.

>>718236537
that was the most infuriating thing. I appreciate the 'stow your weapons on your horse' system, but it should have been a manual action.
I ended using stolen or unsaddled horses a lot since you don't auto-store your weapons on those.

>>718207996
Aptly said, well done.

Be honest:

Are you a man or a woman?

Did you like or dislike RDR2?

I'm convinced the only people who bang on about RDR2 being the best game ever are femanons or maybe gayanons who are either horsegirls or have Arthur as their husbando. I am objectively correct. (If your reply contradicts my established biases I will ignore it by the way.)

>>718237282
The mod that disables that shit is a must have.

post arthurs (and Johns)

>>718207750 (OP)
/v/ contrarian opinion.
Similar to GTA4 > GTA5

>>718237669
You're completely right rdr2 is fucking gayfemslop

1 didnt have any feminist leftoid brainrot garbage in it

>>718236483
Autism.

Both are honestly unplayable. They have some of the worst controls ever created. Those are the only GTA games I can't play.

>>718207750 (OP)
>less convoluted story, don't even remember a quarter of 2's story
literally the opposite I couldn't tell you what half the shit the dumb retards you are supposed to work for in 1 wanted you to do, you're literally just remembering bullet points like "capture bill, capture javier, kill dutch" and forgetting like 80% of the game was busy work for mr. cocaine and the corpse fucker

>>718237819
You didnt play the game, Bonnie says some parts of the country would be better run with a woman in charge and John agrees kek

>>718237949
RDR1's story is about John getting back to his family. For that he needs to kill the former members of his gang, that's it. There's themes and things there, but the premise is simple.
RDR2 doesn't really have a story premise. It's just a vague miasma of "the Van Der Linde gang falls apart"

>>718213575
And hence the most boring world ever put in a video game. Just to have something to do in that big empty "realistic" world with a few one time and done events sprinked on it, you have to mod that shit heavily.

>>718214942
>bing bing wahoo moron tries to lecture adults
You are a cute retard

>>718237949
There are more characters in the camp of rdr2 than all of rdr1 yet you can't remember each character's dedicated handful of missions? Sounds like you're just inept

>>718238272
You haven't played it. Besides that I could fuck your ass right now and you'd beg for more bitch.

>>718238169
That's still not as bad as le anti-racist murdering gang and le strong independent female sadie

>>718238272
>>718238430
The only good things in the world of 2 are the little places you can discover like the Witch's cauldron. Other than that the map is too big to even want to explore sometimes

>>718238451
>Moving goalposts

>>718238214
RDR2 is actually a story showing the slow death of the old west
RDR1 its like the death has already happened but your old gang members are in denial of it.

>>718238430
I played it a lot more than you, you fucking retarded idiot. Modded of course, because vanilla suck as much cock as an entire gay pride parade, though even then not as much as you suck.

The swamp lands are actually kinda scary at night, I got legit spooked when I saw the tiny church and night folk.

>>718207750 (OP)
It's a shitty arcade game with 0 depth

>>718207858
i fucked your mom

>>718237761
howdy

>>718208039
Sound about right, i feel neutral thinking about it.

>anti racist feminist mass murdering bandit
RDR 2 sucked ass.

>>718207750 (OP)
Absolutely fucking not. I replayed 1 on pc and realized 2 actually btfos 1 in every conceivable way. It's not even close.

i like both rdr 1 and 2 equally

>>718233668
holy kek

>>718240667
You like the trash, unfun, unimportant parts of video games. Much like women and redditors.
Sorry you had to find out like this bro, but now that you know you can work on fixing that garbage aspect of yourself ;)

Why does RDR2 have such linear missions? You’d think after making such a detailed sandbox that the missions would take advantage of it.

>>718207750 (OP)
If there was a way to have the visuals and horses of 2 with 1's tighter gameplay (and even then I had to mod out the skinning/collecting animations every time) then that would be the perfect RDR game.

>>718238667
Both are about the death, but 1 is a lot smarter about it

>>718241192
because you don't make what is essentially a AAAA game and risk turning off casual gamers. That's a philosophy at Rockstar, they essentially want everyone to be able to play their games and that's why they are so handholdy.
But at least they pour a ton of passion into their games, it's not like they're cynical cash grabs like a Ubisoft title or something they genuinely do go above and beyond, the compromise is that they spend hundreds and millions of dollars on their games so they want to make sure that Fifa gamers can play them

>>718241192
But if you do whatever you want you won't get to see the retarded cutscene the braindead writers shat out thinking it was really inspired and moving!
Also, it is absolutely vital for the narrative to make the sniper immortal and to fail the mission in you deviate an inch from the intended path, because looking for a better route of ascent like anyone not mentally retarded is just, like, so mean!

>>718235418
Woah there! Are you picking the corpse of the bandit who just tried to murder you to try and get some bullets back? Time to spawn in a civilian to see you doing it so you learn to not be such a naughty boy.

>In the middle of the wildernesses at the tail of the 19th century in fucking western America
>pull out a gun and start shooting
>some npc sees me
>goes to police to report me over "disorder" or some shit
Bongs have been so utterly mindbroken by their nanny state that they see no issues with the scenario above.

>>718241648
>Woah there! Are you robbing a train in the middle of fucking nowhere, 8 hours away from the nearest settlement? Time to spawn an entire regiment of satellite guided goons to prevent you from having any sort of fun in the alleged wild west outlaw game!
Moralfaggotry and its consequences have been a disaster for video games

>RDR1
kino western cowboy outlaw game
>RDR2
gay oregon trail diversity friend simulator

>>718241476
Yeah, but surely you can make it handholdy while still giving players the option to go off script if they want. That’s what the 3D era GTAs did.

>>718241594
>You killed Micah

If they were really so hellbent on making it so that you have to confront Micah in a cinematic scene, then why did they make it possible for you to kill him before then at all?

>>718241830
>>718241868
How dare you act like an outlaw in this wild west time period

no reason to make money in this fucking game when 1/4th of the way in they just hand you bank heist money

>>718241868
I kinda liked having a posse of bounty hunters chase you over the land.
Many fun shootouts and evasion, but it was annoying when they spooked the animals I was hunting. But what do you expect really?

>>718242102
Tbf is there any game with a tight financial system? Most follow the part of "poor af at the start, ludicrously rich at the end" usually because of looting.
The only game I can remember where you're forced to work and/or exploit was Dragon Age Origins, because the loot was limited and the highest tier items were pricy af.

>>718242201
I just found annoying that killing their dogs gave you bad karma.
Okay, killing dogs is bad, but bounty hunters and policeman are just doing their jobs, if you're gonna moralfag about dogs, then go all the way.
So many missions have you kill police and with no karma hit.

>>718242262
Any game that allows you to grind for money is going to have this problem.

What happens is that the devs set the prices of items to account for early game players, which leads to money being worthless by the late game— Especially when you can also obtain items through other means than just shops.

>>718241991
The lack of any proper rewards for bad karma and the godawful law and mask system made actually being an outlaw unfun as all shit.

HMMM

>>718242542
Open world games should all allow you to buy and invest in properties so you can gather passive income

>>718242379
Oh yeah... that's pretty dumb yeah. I forgot about it, because I was going bad cowboy anyhow.

>>718242379
>>718242553
I feel most games in general nowadays suffer from this bias towards the good karma route over the bad karma route.

In an ideal scenario, the bad karma route would give you greater material rewards, whereas the good karma route would give you greater immaterial rewards.

>>718242752
That is how it should be, but sanctimonious devs want to eat their cake and have it.

>>718241027
Cope and seethe

>>718242752
100%, being good it's supposed about making you feel good and helping others, maybe get some bonuses here and there for kindness repaid and some stats centered on peace of mind or some shit if it's an RPG, but the point is that you're putting others before your yourself.
Again, DAO actually did that well. Most financially and stats rewards are evil or least unethical, while the good ones just usually give you fuzzy feelings.
>In an ideal scenario, the bad karma route would give you greater material rewards, whereas the good karma route would give you greater immaterial rewards.
Yep. RDR gives you financial rewards for the good karma by giving you huge discounts and barely offshoots that by giving you better loot items which you can only sell at a specific type of shop

Fuck this Challenge and the one where you have to gather all types of flowers.

>>718243018
I think it’s because if you actually gave greater rewards for being evil most people would do that, which would force players to sit with the sobering realisation that they’re not as moral a person as they think they are.

Most devs nowadays are terrified of making people uncomfortable like that. Not that it affects me. I always do the bad karma route just because I think being an asshole in games is more fun.

>>718243171
bioshock forever tainted moral reward systems
>NOOOOOOO YOU CANT HARVEST THE LITTLE SISTERS YOU NEED TO SAVE THEM
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SAVING THEM WILL GIVE YOU LESS ADAM
>btw thanks for saving like 4 little sisters heres a goody box with an exclusive plasmid and extra adam to make up the difference :3c

>>718241476
This is obvious for everyone that's not retarded btw.

>>718243247
It also really sucks that they don't carry over playthroughs.
No way I'm doing that shit again, cheating here I go.

>>718243247
Honestly that challenge isn't so bad. Its just brute force. Black jack is like 2 bucks to buy in, and minimum bet is 2 cents, so just keep hitting every hand and eventually you'll get it.

>>718243292
I’m genuinely convinced the devs just didn’t think about the morality system in Bioshock for more than two seconds. It never occurred to them that giving the Good route exclusive rewards makes it the optimal path.

Good routes should be sub-optimal, but with a greater pay-off at the end if you suffer through it, whereas bad routes should be the optimal min/max path, but it makes everything grim and miserable.

>>718243634
its just especially dumb in bioshocks case since atlas is reeing at you to harvest so you get more adam

>>718243274
I don't like being mean in Vidya, but do like the option and that said option be fun/rewarding in its own way, otherwise what's the point?
>>718243292
Ken Levine tricked millions of normalfags into feeling smart over his mediocre writing

>>718238667
2 is about civil rights. The setting is simply a backdrop

i just want more rootin tootin shootin games

>>718243634
>whereas bad routes should be the optimal min/max path, but it makes everything grim and miserable.
Dishonored kinda follows that path but the issue is that evil is a lot more fun because of the powers but less because o of the moral faggotry.
I think inFamous actually had the best approach to it, despite all the memery for it.
Evil path has you be fucking evil and you get evil powers that reinforce destructiveness
Good is morally rewarding and you get powers that are more pinpoint accurate and healing.

>>718207876
RDR2's random encounters will eventually just stop occurring

>>718241594
I enjoy the freedom in the Saints Row 2 missions. The game sets an objective with a clear path to follow, but nothing stops you from rolling in with a tank for chaos. Meanwhile, Rockstar has an obsession with parameters. If Micah and Dutch died, who gives a shit if it's not lore friendly? If I cared about lore, I wouldn't be chucking dynamite.

Seeing John's old gang before the events of 1 was always a big wish among RDR fans. Then we get it and instead of a gang of outlaws it's a gypsy troupe full of women who fight for equal rights.

>>718244174
To be fair on Dishonored, many of the powers have non-lethal applications, and you can get away with a lot of bloodshed and morally questionable deeds before you tip the scales into High Chaos.

Infamous actually does do karma really well. People only criticised it because the “binary morality” trend in vidya was on its way out.

>>718209312
Based

>>718244607
they are by far the best female characters they've done though

>>718244607
and johns a fuckin retard when hes pretty eloquent in 1

>>718243505
You can have an end game save with John, or Arthur before the point of no return.
And really they barely add anything besides cosmetics, you're never going to notice that 0.5% boost to your cores.
It annoys me more that you can't complete all the challenges as arthur. And the last couple of legendary animals are gated behind the end game location, and one of those legendary animals is the one that gives you the trinket that makes it so meat doesn't spoil on your horse (or drastically reduces the speed it goes bad), which would have been really helpful when you needed to drag animal corpses back to camp. But the only reason you'd do that as John is to sell to a butcher for the 2.50, when you've probably got the 40k or whatever from the final mission. And I know with my arthur I left as much money at the aberdeen pig farm for John to pick up.
I wish there was more shit to do at beachers hope. You get some chores that let you sell milk and eggs in town, and it advances the clock to 4pm, for 8 dollars. So it literally just wastes half your day. And the camp had a lot of people, but the homestead just has abigail, john, and uncle, and their dialogue pool is pretty shallow.
There should have been more upgrades you could do for the house, an ability to donate meat and pelts and valuables for the house fund, or whatever. Something that gives you some further investment in the place. And occasional shit to do on the farm, like going hunting or fishing with jack, or going into town with uncle.
My favorite part of the game was all the ambient camp shit where the characters get fleshed out with diegetic exposition. And Beecher's Hope just feels so dead and static.

>>718244842
John gets a lot of character development in RDR2 going from a bratty angsty child to someone who matures and accepts some responsibility for the people that should matter most. But John in both games is a shithead who tends to solve every problem by just shootan doods after asking politely fails.
He also gets arthur's journal, and continues to grow as a person in the years between the end of 2 and the start of 1.

>>718244624
Yeah, if you use the non-lethal method of disposing the target (which is always way way worse than just death) you can get away with a lot of murder.
>because the “binary morality” trend in vidya was on its way out.
I never understood this complaint. If you have a morality system in your game then it's gonna be binary, it has to be either evil or good. What sort of moral system do people expect that tackles the complexity of ethics and morality?

>>718244790
good looking too, in a pretty realistic way

>>718244907
I can't remember if it was the legendary panther or the night panther but I know one of them just wouldn't fucking spawn for me. I was running around placing bait and looking for it forever

>>718244842
He's a total loser in 2. Bill's entire character is "fat idiot", Javier is toned way down because no brown people in this game can be bad guys, and Dutch is turned into a meme-spouting buffoon who is so ridiculous it makes everyone who listens to him look like the dumbest simp in the world.
>>718244790
Lmao I forgot there were SEVEN of them.

>>718244842
Rockstar Gabe most of his good characteristics to Arthur.
>>718245153
It's still no justified. John is super introspective and eloquent in 1, 2 is set only 4 years later and he still talks and thinks like a retard.
They nerfed him because hanging John be smart, second guesser and super competent second in command of Dutch's gang like he was said to be in 1 would've meant stepping in Arthur's toes.

His critique is undefeated.

>WE SHARED THE WORK ARTHUR
>suddenly becomes a high tier bounty hunter

>>718245171
People were mainly complaining about the binary morality system that BioWare popularised in KOTOR 1 where your choices are either “be Jesus” or “eat babies” with next to no options in between. It worked in KOTOR because that’s how Star Wars morality canonically works, but then lots of other devs started copying it (like Bioshock for example). It works for Infamous as well because it’s meant to be a homage to superhero comics/capeshit, but that particular nuance seemed to fly over people’s heads.

I think the tide started shifting when people found themselves being impressed by Fallout New Vegas’ reputation system, although it’s ironic because that game also uses the same karma system that Fallout 3 does. And contrary to what some people say, karma in NV does affect some things.

>>718245590
>John is super introspective and eloquent in 1
No he isn't.
He says implore once.

>>718241875
Basically this, best synthesis yet

>>718245594
he defeated it himself with the follow-up video

>>718245809
>No he isn't.
Yes, he is
Compare him reuniting with his family in 1, where we get a wonderful dialogue between him and Abigail in which he remales on the unfairness of life and the necessity to keep trudging along despite, to when he reunites with them in 2, where he says literally nothing because he's retarded.

>>718245705
Honestly the reputation system is pretty great, but like most things in NV, not explored to its full potential.
If your game doesn't fit with a good/evil morality system, reputation in specific communities is a great way to do it.
Sadly no one seems to have used it.

>>718245153
>>718245809
>Got to get Bill
>Go to the fortress he's at
>Import he listens to you
>Bill says no
>John then goes for his gun
>Gets shot
This journey was almost done before he started

>>718237761
My chapter 4 fit

>>718246116
NV needed many years in the oven, so much shit was cut to save time its miserable.

everyone fellates arthurs antagonize dialogue but i think rdr1 had some good ones

For Red Dead 2 MP i used mod menu to give myself some gold and i had bit of fun then i uninstalled i canont imagine playing any R mp game without cheating some cash in (in gta 5 O i got few mil of cash)

>>718246215
I'm the guy arguing that John's primary character trait is that he's kind of a dumb shithead. He's got a good heart, and a moral compass, but he's not a genius and tends to view every problem.

I like 2, but I do like 1 more. Shame we never got an Undead Nightmare 2.

>>718247463
He was never a genius even the first game shows him as barely literate, but he was introspective, experienced and we'll spoken.
In 2 he's just really dumb

I'm OK with being locked to animations and all but there's just so much fucking input lag, you can't even look around without a full seconds worth of delay

I can't take Micah seriously, he's literally just a giant walking red flag. Him being the primary reason the gang imploded feels so forced. They couldn't come up with a better antagonist?

>>718248097
From the moment he shows up he was such an obvious rat I was SURE it was going to be a red herring.
That being said, I am mad as fuck you can't steal his sweet mustache when he's asleep.

>>718237761
You, sir, are a fish.

>>718248097
He was such a bad idea to have around right from the get go. The fact that you slaughter half a town just to free him and still Dutch wants him tagging along makes zero fucking sense, and it made me wonder wtf Micah had on the guy.
I get Dutch's whole thing is about having a ragtag bunch of people but Micah does nothing good at all for them.

what a dumb thread. 2 is better than 1 and one of the greatest games ever.

>>718248548
2 fucking sucks balls you reddit homo

>>718248601
suck my right nut not the left one next time you retard

>>718248790
The only person sucking nuts right now is your mom sucking mine fagboy

>>718248548
2 is kino, but 1 just has that secret sauce that elevates it above 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRMtt8tES-U&list=RDhRMtt8tES-U&start_radio=1&ab_channel=OriginalSoundtrack

>>718248097
He’s a red herring, Trelawny was the rat.

>>718249068
Wait seriously?

>>718249068
Actually the rat was Abigail.

>>718237669
>>718237761
Lol

>>718249025
you literally got your lips wrapped around my nuts

>>718249541
mmm *POP* not anymore big boy

>>718249147
No. You're explicitly told it was Micah by someone who has nothing to gain by lying.
The back end of the game was cut to shit and I can only assume there were a few more twists and turns in the story.

>>718249503
That's definitely the femanon that shows up in each of these threads to defend RDR2 and her husbando Arthur.

>>718247650
Herbert Moon at the poker tables "I heard that John Marston is a hired killer for the jews"
so based, and he was right.

>>718249047
One has some iconic themes, but RDR2 has better music overall tbdesu. Even the combat themes for the different gangs are great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1roofOrIT6Q

>>718207750 (OP)
Why the hell doesn't undead nightmare on steam have multiplayer. That mode was so fun on xbox

>>718248097
He's cartoonishly evil and a completely unserious character. The only reason I like him is because his actor is pretty great.
I believe the original plan was for him to have been more complex, still a violent douchebag but loyal to a fault to Dutch, the gang and the criminal lifestyle. The conflict between him and Arthur was thus about Arthur rethinking the morality of their deeds vs Micah who's committed to the life.