Thread 718282353

Do you really need 60fps+ for gaming when 24 is perfectly smooth for everything else?

left is better. one of the strengths of animation is how much you can convey with a single frame and this element is lost if you're going purely for frame rate

>>718282353 (OP)
Like this.

>>718282353 (OP)
right looks interpolated

Do video games need to move? Still images work perfectly for paintings and photographs.

>>718282353 (OP)
Fucking interpolation bullshit, I fucking hate AI

>>718283093
why is it so strange

>>718283093
this show looks like fucking shit. their """artistic choice""" to use choppy animation makes it unwatchable

>>718282353 (OP)
yes

>>718282353 (OP)
Because games give feedback based on input. The lower the FPS, the less time there is to interact with.

>>718283150
>the eternal debate whether visual novels are games or not

I set all my games to max 30fps.
Its absolutely kino.

>>718283812
wow just like anime

yo look at dat clok

>>718283093
>>718283812
Even stop motion animation is objectively better than that!

>>718283093
kino

>>718283812
Then make someting better.

>>718282353 (OP)
The 8fps looks better here.

>>718282353 (OP)
They look the same wtf

>>718283838
s-she's fast!

>>718283093
I hate it... it reminds me of Skyrim on PS3 and my friends trying to make me watch some super hero movie in this animation style a few years ago.

>>718283812
unironically if it was super smooth it would actually look faker and uncanny valley shit crops up

>>718283093
What do you call a Korean wigger? A korigger?

>>718283093
>character motion at 8fps
>camera motion is at 60fps

>>718282353 (OP)
>Do you really need 60fps+
yes

>>718284303
Spiderverse?

>>718282353 (OP)
You'd think Haruhi could generate infinite FPS.

>>718284490
2d game...

>>718282353 (OP)
Yes. If you were white you would be able to tell the difference in the feedback.

>>718284551
yeah the Spiderman cartoon, I'm not a fan of superhero films but liked the old Spiderman with Toby and the newer series with The Avengers universe was pretty boring.

I still haven't installed the Spiderman game that came with my PS5

>>718282353 (OP)
>24 is perfectly smooth
Twat

someone post anime at 60 fps

>>718285182
>>718284497

>>718282353 (OP)
>24 is perfectly smooth for everything else
Wrong
Fast panning is pure eye rape at 24 FPS

>>718283812
I don't understand why did it in the first place. Into the Spiderverse had that style of animation because it was intentionally trying to emulate a comic book by having each individual frame of animation look like a comic panel, and it worked to make the movie "feel" like an animated comic book. Subsequent uses of this intentionally choppy animation style seems like the studios are just trying to ape Spiderverse because it was successful, not understanding anything about why the animation worked.

Nobody needs anything more than 12fps with 2x frame gen

Anything below 144fps is choppy and unplayable.

>>718285231
wow very sakuga

>>718285243
People don't understand 24fps came from film projections, the film may have been played at 24fps, but typically they would he triple flashed to black and back to the frame again for that 1/24th, monitors could in theory do this nowadays at 144 Hz

>>718283093
this looks fucking awful

>>718284825
>2D

>>718285330
Stay strong Steam Deck anon

>>718285591
You'll subscribe to the 6GB cloud gpu and you'll like it

>>718283093
this looks perfectly fine

>>718282353 (OP)
60fps is like the minimum needed for gaming
(unless you play on consoles like I used to)

Anything less than 100 fps is painful to look at.

>>718285330
>fake frames

>movies culture that is 10x older than games ha universally decided that 24fps is the most pleasing for human eyes
>gamers are now saying that 144fps is not enough
?????

>>718283093
It's pointless when the animation and art direction are shit like that

>>718285314
it's most likely just imitation without understanding
puss in boots had a lower frame rate too iirc

>>718283838
Frame gen: ON

>>718285916
>gamers are fucking retards
Shocking.

>>718285839
The distinction between fake and real frames only matters when the source is low fps. At high fps, the fake frames just look like what the real frames would look like.

You can even do the experiment yourself, cap your fps at like 150, turn on framegen, capture 100 frames, then turn framegen off, uncap fps, and capture 100 frames. If you think you can tell the difference, you're a liar.

>>718283093
is it just intentionally looking like shit

>>718284274
Where can I buy a tiny desk Aqua?

>>718285916
Videogames are not movies, that's the thing. 24fps only works for movies since they have slow pacing, while alot of games now are very fast-paced arena shooters which causes alot of blurring due to how fast objects are moving on the screen. You'd know this if you actually played videogames instead of watching tranime all day

>>718285916
Shills argue seeing frames 0.0001 seconds sooner will let you click other guy's head faster in comp slop game but in practice the reason you are dying in comp slop games is because your execution (skill) is shit and need to practice not buy your way to win

>>718286201
NTA but you dont need above 60fps if all you do is play games that arent comp shooter shit

>>718285916
Theres this channel on Youtube called Good Vibes Gaming who made a vid about "You NEED to play Switch 2's FIRST 120FPS Game" and when I saw it was the Zelda-clone from the Shovel Knight devs I realized that most discussions are steered by such huge fucking nerds who need to be more self aware like fucking seriously
I remember one of those guys on that channel also talking about playing FF7 Rebirth and was going "Oh dude the frame drops made me want to throw up" and the other commentator said "Okay the frame drops werent THAT bad" and he replied "No dude, I got sick, I am literally gonna throw up just thinking about". Seriously man, most of these nerds discussing games hardly even talk about the game itself most of the time, its all fucking grafix and frames its fucking annoying

>>718286518
just because you're okay with dogshit frame rate because you have defective eyes doesn't mean the rest of us should be faggot

>>718284274
is this real

>>718285916
movies aren't games, film reels are expensive, that's why they settled on 24 to have the fewest frames per second that still feels smooth.

>>718286025
Not him, but visual distinction is meaningless compared to reaction difference. The extra frames are just visual, while the game logic still runs at the base fps. To leave Satisfactory in a low PU state, I set it to 30 FPS with frame gen on. That put the game logic at 15 fps, and it was just as horrible as that sounds. Button and click responsiveness became janky. It was unplayable compared to native 30 fps.

Which of course supports your own statement that "only matters when the source is low fps," but I can see someone whose is more perceptive than me feeling a noticeable difference between 60 fps true and 30 fps true, even if both are presenting 60 fps.

>>718286590
>eyes
your brain fills in the blanks
you don't need 500 fps to not throw up

>want to buy a figma released over 2~ years ago
>"that will be 200$ without shipping and pre owned, sweety"
This is awful.w4gmp

>>718286646
There isnt a meaningful difference in input latency between 100 fps and 300 fps, at least not any that humans can notice.

The same is not true of 30 fps to 60 fps.

>>718286590
Ah of course, I didnt think about how my fucking 2D-zelda clone needs to hit at least 144 frames or else I will have to gouge my fucking eyes out

>>718282353 (OP)
Fuck 60. 100 is the minimum if you want things to feel snappy

What's the point in playing a game past 60fps?

1. While humans can view "flashes" of date (light) that leads some scientists to claim "humans can see upwards of 1000 frames-per-second," most scientists agree that even trained humans in their prime cannot view a difference approaching 200 fps. They cannot even tell a difference beyond 80fps. And the increase beyond 60 fps is outright negligable. For those same claiming "1000fps," even they recognize that while the eye can take the data, our brains generally cannot even process it.

2. Having a piece of media displayed at 120 fps is UTTERLY POINTLESS if the monitor displaying that media RUNS AT LESS THAN THAT SAME HZ. And most monitors are, in fact, 60hz.

3. Even basic cables cannot transmit data from your device to your monitor to meet beyond 60fps. It requires "HD" cabling, in most cases, which is not associated with most media, or games.

>>718283093
wow i thought the copy i pirated was just fucked up, you're telling me it's supposed to look like this?

>>718285916
Video game marketing has brainwashed people into thinking that bigger number is always better
Even though we're now well past the point of diminishing returns, we still need to get bigger number

>>718285916
>>718285958
It's actually you guys are retarded. Film was only 24 fps in picture frames, but it was typically triple flashed (frame>black>same frame>black>same frame>black>next frame etc) which is effectively 144Hz. It doesn't look like 144fps of course, but it's a lot better than raw 24 fps. 24 fps was the minimum settled for cost of film.

>>718285916
60 is enough for me
i can see higher but below feels unresponsive

>>718287321
Video games should also operate like this.

>>718285471
>in theory
you can do it in retroarch right now, and some more advanced stuff like pic related

>>718287214

to play faster

>>718282353 (OP)
Yes and 24FPS is not smooth for everything else either. Movies stutter like all fuck in panning shots.

>>718285931
If you mean Last Wish, it actually switches between ones and twos pretty often.

>>718287194
this but unironically, you consolefaggots tolerating janky framerates is indicative of your retardation

>>718283812
>I like to hate on da popular thinga

>>718287548
This, but unironically.

>>718284274
How do I make a floating stop motion?

>>718283093
women rapping will never not be cringe

>>718285916
>universally decided that 24fps is the most pleasing
No lmao, it was decided it's the bare minimum acceptable value to present the illusion of motion and then the whole fucking thing got entrenched and the baby ducks will never let it go.

>>718287214
For first person shit with mouse and keyboard it feels noticeably better. 120+ with a controller looks marginally better, but 60 with a controller is completely fine.

>>718282353 (OP)

Dishonest film-making.

>>718282353 (OP)
because you're constantly moving the camera and it looks like vomit when the frame rate is too low. For strictly 2d games I dont see why 24fps wouldn't be fine.

>>718285916
adhd fps gamers need to be swinging the camera all the time

>>718287214
Feels super smooth and responsive.

>>718287608
if you can find the guys channel, he did a video showing how he made that one (and probably most others)

>>718287540
this unironically but also Im a fucking retard who pisses in his gamer chair

>>718285916
>24fps is the most pleasing for human eyes
No, 24 fps was standard because it was the bare minimum for fluid perception of motion while also being affordable given the at the time insane cost of film stock. 100 years of that being standard brainwashed audiences into thinking anything more is bad because change is scary

>>718282353 (OP)
interpolated garbage. higher framerates are fine when you aren't fucking it up with algo generated trash

>>718282353 (OP)
>when 24 is perfectly smooth for everything else?
Not even OoT autists will agree with this and they play that shit 10 hours a day in some cases.

>>718285243
jesus fuck

>>718284274
I don't remember this episode

>>718286637
why everyone hates 48fps

>>718286141
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>>718283812
I like it a lot though.
It's why I got into anime.
It used to be even less from memory. Like 12 fps.

>>718287214
The marketing shpiel is that it magically reduces input lag and makes your controller poll more frequently, but the reality is most of the time 60-240hz won't throw off the timing of your animations (AI niggers already killing themselves now) since the original motion data is available.
This being different to taking something like a 12fps animation and adding in 5x padding via intetpolation.
tl;dr: it look pretty

>>718283093
doesn't even properly rhyme

does the item you pick matter at the beginning matter? is it like the key being op in dark souls 1?

When I was 12 years old making Lego stop motion animations my goal was to make them as smooth and with as many frames as possible and then these fucking modern faggot posers come along and think choppy = stop motion style

Fucking insulting, complete hacks

>>718286345
xqc disagrees.
>dat video of him trying to convince chat that he can tell the diff between 240fps and 300fps

And that was my introduction to xqc. Sometimes there are ecelebs so strange that even 4chan and kf are stumped by them. His aura and autism is too powerful. He must be stopped.

>>718288115
What is that gif from? That looks really cool.

>>718282353 (OP)
thats cute

>>718287476
Pic related is different. But I'm interested in trying it out on a movie with a wide scene. Actually I have an a7iv that can shoot 24fps and wide lens. But I'm not sure if my 144hz monitor is fast enough, how fast do you get a full fade to black and back again? It may barely spend any time at black I'm thinking vs how a projector worked.
>>718287528
They're not represented properly on screens/tvs. Raw 24fps will be worse than a cinema and tv frame interpolation is aids.

>>718286693
Maybe that is the issue? Maybe mentally weaker/younger generations no longer develop the ability to fill in the blanks. It could slot right in there with their lack of creativity and inability to describe how they’d feel if they hadn’t eaten breakfast this morning.

>>718287214
It looks nicer. Simple as.

>>718287856
>hachikuji something people used to say as slang when suddenly tickling another

>>718288297
The Animatrix, it's worth a watch

>>718288115
Anime is regularly 12 fps. Depending on the scene it can be lower or higher as needed. Full 24 fps animation in anime is usually saved for high action scenes.

>>718288041
>too immersive

>>718283093
Everyone just tries to be spiderverse now lol

>>718288380
>They're not represented properly on screens/tvs. Raw 24fps will be worse than a cinema and tv frame interpolation is aids.
I'm guessing you're trying to refer to judder and sample & hold blur but that's not the problem, the problem is that 24FPS is low as fuck and when you pan the camera the image jumps in large chunks because there just aren't enough frames to do any better. There is no avoiding it, 24FPS is just a sort of minimally acceptable standard and it kinda sucks ass. There are no benefits to using it, the entire movie industry and culture is just too stuck in for that shit to ever change.

>>718282353 (OP)
soul on the left, soulless slop on the right

>>718289147
literally the same studio, anon

>>718283093
If it's 3d, go full fps instead of pretending. If it's hand drawn, 8fps is totally fine.

>>718288297
You see, kid, before 2005 anime had this edgy dark phase where it was nothing but dystopian cyberpunk like The Animatrix, GitS, Akira, Blame, Gantz or erotic grindhouse like Kite and wasn't just moeblob crap or generic post Eva rip offs.
When I was 7/8, this was out and it was how I saw anime until 4chan called me a plotfag back in 2009 for thinking that and suggested K-on or some shit instead.

I'm still mad that anime is just dumb shounen or moeshit nowadays. I thought SnK would change things but that never happened. Or that maybe Devilman Crybaby would bring gore and raw nudity back, but Japan is so hyper-conservative and cucked by feminists that this will never happen now.

>>718287608
Patience and greenscreens

>>718285164
it brings me infinite mirth that you call spiderverse spiderman

>>718290371
From what i remember Japan banned some of depictions of violence in media years back. like beheadings.

>>718290371
>kid
Nigger, I’m 40

>>718290805
Yeah, it was after their media lied through their fucking teeth that some psycho child killer did it because of manga and video games. He literally had neither in his apartment.

>>718290965
You have to be 18 to post here

>>718283093
JESUS JESUS KOREANEEZUS

>>718290995
It’s just like “he did it because of Beavis and Butthead!”, despite the kid never seeing the show.

>>718283838
KA KA KA KACHI DA ZE

>>718290995
what was the kids name? google is being useless as usual.

>>718283093
She goes HARD

>>718283093
Maybe I have some kind of condition but this literally just looks like real life.

>>718283093
Kinopop sighted!

>>718291667
Imagine if she were sniffing a penis.

>>718291530
They dubbed him the otaku killer.

>>718282353 (OP)
Is right interpolated because it looks like shit. If so this is exactly why fake frames look like garbage

>>718282353 (OP)
The human eye literally can't see above 6fps.

>>718291885
Gee Anon, it's almost like that was the joke

>>718292702
Imagine if she were doing this, but with a penis. Like, a severed penis and she was just eating it.

>>718290805
Real shit?
That's always been illegal in most countries.

Anime?
Yeah I'm outraged. It's not fucking real and when I didn't have content before I found anime, I used to just imagine them for my own weird form of daydreaming horror. Then I saw a slasher as a kid and kinda got bored fast of it and considered it a bit dumb for a bit because of that.
Hang on, but aren't these things meant to encourage violence in children? It did the opposite to me.

>>718290965
>40
Ok kiddo. Get back to school, punk before I call your mother.

Please tell me you remember anime being this cool back then right? It's not just nostalgia right? I remember anime having so much gore and shit that I went straight for it because it was edgy and naughty, which was cool to me at that age.
Censorship used to piss me off big time because I could go in the yard and see all the content they censored for free with the literal birds and the bees in the yard. It was a fucking joke to a 7 yr old and it's still a fucking joke to me in me 30s. Fortunately I had sisters older than me and so I still saw content, and then just got bored of it fast because it wasn't like nature. I started to just watch nature programs instead because they were better than hollywood films. Fascinated with the abomination.

>>718283093
>Niggerbop
>Korea!!

>>718282353 (OP)
I need 120fps minimum for games

>>718293210
Worst Koreans at it again. We should let the north take them over already

>>718285243
I used to have SVP setup to just detect full screen panning like that, it worked great.

>>718290995
>He literally had neither in his apartment.
Oh so it's just like the enforcement of doxx mechanisms on all users of the internet that will never actually be used to protect children or stop AI but will instead be used to sell you EVEN MORE garbage through big data like always. I doubt it will even stop anti-semitism or other shit because they already have those fingerprints.

What's funniest is that there was a time where Hollywood had no code at all and it didn't even do shit to the public. This was like the 1920s and 1930s. It was merely military opsec when the Nazis rose to power. Orson Welles hated that shit. Literally made Citizen Kane because of it. Apparently the overreaction to War of Worlds on radio really pissed him off because had people been less sheltered, no one would have given a fuck and would have known better.

>>718292702
built for demon cock

>>718290805
Yeah you can't use the Head Slicer in God Hand in the Japanese version.

>>718283093
lmao it will take another 30 years to heal the fucking damage spiderverse has done to the craft.

Damn I can't believe Haruhi was 5 years ago already... time sure flies...

>>718282353 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CGzBU1MjMk
Who needs real frames

>>718282353 (OP)
>camera updates at 60fps or higher
>animations are made at something lower
any games like this?
Feel like it would be the best balance of quality per effort/money. You wouldn't have problems panning the camera and characters/environment movements would look consistent if they're all done at the same fps.

>>718282353 (OP)
Why nvidia retards wont release a 2x-3x fps filter for media players?

>>718291124
>If you're not specifically 18 you can't post on 4chan

>>718283896
>wow just like anime
Anime is 24 FPS

Honestly, left is soul and right is uncanny valley.

>>718283838
Thank you DLSS!

>>718283093
this looks like shit

>>718282353 (OP)
Right genuinely looks bad

>>718285916
Ever try playing VR at 24fps? You'll get motion sick pretty quickly like that. There's a reason they aim for 72 minimum and 90 standard.

>>718283093
The reason low framerate animation like this works for films is because of shitty 24fps projection/screens blurring the fuck out of the image is far worse than using fewer but clearer frames. It's why it worked for Puss in Boots too, the action was actually readable on shitty screens.
Of course, this one was streaming only, but the principle still applies.

>>718285916
it's a matter of resolution + angular speed. older games were not 99% fps shooter with infinite rotation speed like today. older games were so slow and low res that a constant moving pixel might not even change on screen between 2 refresh at 40 hz.

>>718290371
t. Troonami kid

>>718286201
>fast-paced arena shooters which causes alot of blurring due to how fast objects are moving on the screen
Maybe stop playing shit games?

>>718288417
I never understood the autism/retard part of that question. Do tards really have that hard a time with basic hypotheticals, or is it a meme? Maybe I have the tism myself, but it's just an odd hypothetical to ask a normal person on top of it. The only reasonable answers you'll ever get are; "Uhh, I guess mildly hungry?" "The same, because I never eat breakfast." "Maybe a bit tired, because I need my protein (cum) in the morning." Etc.

>>718295839
>I never understood the autism/retard part of that question.
It's a hypothetical. Low IQ subhumans (like brown people) have problems imagining hypotheticals because they require you to ignore readily available information (how they feel right now) and instead create a mental construct of a theoretical reality (how one might feel had they not eaten breakfast this morning).

Try it the next time you are conversing with a black person. Their answer may frustrate you.

>>718283838
This is just Kaioh Kaku flexing

>>718289842
Doesn't diminish the point. If anything, that just enhances the point.

>>718284274
She should hold a sign that says "Yikes!" to the camera, and fall body-first while her head stays in the shot on an elongated neck.

>>718294753
True, it's 24FPS usually animated on 2s and 3s. Animating the full 24 frames in a second is something only western animators do.

>>718287548
Countercontrarianism is even faggier than contrarianism, anon.

>>718294753
anime rarely do 24 fps, usually each frame is repeated twice or less during dialogs so they can focus on action.

>>718293768
Ironically it's the same studio so clearly they know why it ONLY worked for spiderverse. But I guess the execs are chasing money and think zoomers like this style of animation even if it makes no sense.

>>718282353 (OP)
>>718284274
the timing is shit in these, of course it will look like shit interpolated
>>718287856
fine in this one

>>718284485
kigger.
>white + nigger = wigger
>korean + nigger = kigger

>>718295839
Nah actually the entire discussion is a misunderstanding about how the criminal justice system is completely fucked and how inmates would be unwilling to cooperate with an annoying fucking question after being drilled with leading questions and attempted manipulation for literal years straight.
The whole thing itself, ironically, proves that the people posing the question are a bunch of retarded pseuds.

>>718287687
>rapping will never not be cringe
ftfy

>>718282353 (OP)
>A video you can't interact with is a game
This is your brain on Sony games

>increase frame rape
>doesn't bounce up and down higher and make hair fly on and off head

>>718290371
I'm watching older anime and reading older manga and there was definitely way more grit and edge to everything, even stuff that's popular now but is decades old like Berserk had an obscene amount of gore and edge and was marketed as a shounen/young adult manga
Shit nowadays is all Jobless reincarnation Isekai SoL

>>718297192
See this? This is the sort of guy to hear about black crime rates and claim that actually that can't be true because he knows a black guy that isn't committing any crime right now. Notice how he shifts it into some weird conversation about the criminal justice system and tries to say actually no the person asking the question is the unintelligent one, as if the question were specifically about intelligence to begin with to begin with.

It's not; the capacity for abstract thought is definitely linked to intelligence, but it's not some innate "gotcha" or insult, it's just a shittest, one black and brown people fail every day of their lives. They are incapable of earnestly engaging with such a question because their innate inferiority complex crops up and turns the entire interaction into a dick waving contest, one that they could actually easily win if they would just keep their cool and just propose counter hypotheticals.

Such is the life of a subhuman.

>>718298274
>How would you have felt if you didn't have breakfast today?
>But I already had breakfast!

>>718282353 (OP)
60 is the bare minimum for games

>>718282353 (OP)
My eyes are so tired, what a slideshow

>>718292773
scary...

>>718287214
Moar fps = moar win

>>718298274
>Paragraph long tantrum
My work here is done.

60fps should be the absolute MINIMUM for EVERYTHING. If I play a CHESS game, I want that shit to be 60fps minimum.

>>718285432
I still have no idea what the fuck sakuga is

>>718282353 (OP)
>perfectly smooth
lol lmao even

>>718282353 (OP)
yes. A camera at low FPS makes me dizzy

>>718298865
It literally* means animation.
*shut the fuck up nerds lmao

>>718297192
>post about hypotheticals
>UH ACKSHULLY MUH CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM THE HECKIN NIGGERINOS ARE GOOD BOYS WHO DINDU NUFFIN
Bro, just answer the question. A lot of whites fail the question too. It's a question to prove if the person you're speaking to is an NPC or not. The mentally retarded(of which most niggers and other browns are) are NPCs. That's all this is.

>>718285916
every game prior 3d trash was 60fps. Maybe stop using your ps2 to watch movies?

>>718299013
I'm deeply sorry "You're an annoying faggot fuck off" is a valid answer to your very epic IQ test anon.

>>718285314
I dotn get what people mean by choppy animation in spiderverse
I see it clear as day in puss last wish
but in spiderverse I just cant catch it

>>718282353 (OP)
>Robot Chicken
:|

>Robot Chicken: Japan
:O

>>718298865
"sakuga" means cubeshit in Japanese.

>>718285314
the real reason a lot of animation studios has adopted this is because it's literally less work for the animators, it's called Stepped animation and been around for ages, Spider-verse was just the first big project that used it and animators went "holy shit, we can just cut frames" since kids on twitter and critics that don't actually know anything about animation raved about this cool "new" animation style.

>>718282353 (OP)
>>718283093
allow me to remind you of a game that came out this year that did this and no one remembers and it looks like ass https://youtu.be/4y4w53brhwU?feature=shared&t=6072

>>718285916
>movies and different from playing a game.
You really haven't' played an old game at 30 fps versus a game at 120 fps. There is a huge difference in playability.

>>718298717
But how would you feel if I had written an intelligent post for you to engage with instead?

>>718290371
>DUDE ANIME USED TO BE LE MATURE BEFORE MOESLOP
?
Most anime was not gritty cyberpunk nonsense. The entire magical girl genre basically starts in the 90s A lot of Westerners try to forget most anime exists and try to live off cool manly OVAs and movies instead of ever watching a television anime ever.

I remember playing witcher 3 at 7-12 fps
it was fine during battles as missed frames were skipped and the fights were smooth. not the animation, the fight was smooth.
in dialogue though, some retard thought it was paramount everyone sees every frame of animation, so the dialogue animations were slow as hell. I dont know if it was a blessing or not that the sound played at normal speed
if anyone cares, I got the ciri empress ending

>>718285931
>>718287535
Eh, It worked in that one too because the textures and backgrounds often look like paintings with brush strokes.

>>718283093
I can handle choppy animation but I can't handle female rap

>>718299231
Fights that skip moments of impact to create the illusion of speed are great.
normal mundane sequences skipping frames out of lazyness gives me a headache and makes me want to go back a second and see what I missed
makes for an unpleasant experience
main reason I dont go to theathers anymore

>>718299534
Moeshit was funded by people who hated the japanese to make sure japanesd children grow up retarded, which was later used globally
same thing with all japanese protagonists being betas

>>718283093
This honestly does not look that good for me animation wise. I think it's simply that 2d, like anime and cartoons, generally just working better at lower FPS. Possibly because it also have smear frames. 3D just looks off and I think the reason is partly because there's (seemingly) nothing in between movements, so you see the arm move from one spot to the next instantly between frames. I genuinely don't understand why people claim it "Looks good" . Doesn't mean it can't be enjoyed but it looks choppy.

>>718299682
>Fights that skip moments of impact to create the illusion of speed are great.
can be great it really is just a choice, but it does make it extremely jarring if your money switches animation style too often.
But no it really was just because of the reception Spider-verse got and the cost cutting why Sony and other studios really started to use stepped animation.
>normal mundane sequences skipping frames out of lazyness gives me a headache and makes me want to go back a second and see what I missed
>makes for an unpleasant experience
yeah this is another side effect, remember how Spider-punk would give people headaches, granted all of that movie is a headache because the animators had no restrait and it's a very medicore more.
>main reason I dont go to theathers anymore
I personally just dont go because its too expensive.

>>718299792
Hell, now that I think about it I think it's absolutely the complete lack of smear frames entirely that makes it look less appealing to me, because there's no clear indication of movement from point A to point B.

>>718282353 (OP)
Why do you fucks keep asking the same damn question. No, you don't need 60fps+. PSX and N64 games ran at like 20fps so even lower than the 30fps conslow shittery of today. You can beat any game even if your framerate is low as long as it isn't something insanely low like sub 20.
But why the fuck would you subject yourself to that? 60fps is far smoother and pleasant to play at than 30fps, same for 120fps and even 240fps as long as your display refreshes fast enough.
Do you "need" plumbing? Technically, you could just shit in the woods. But why would you do that?

>>718287248
>Having a piece of media displayed at 120 fps is UTTERLY POINTLESS if the monitor displaying that media RUNS AT LESS THAN THAT SAME HZ. And most monitors are, in fact, 60hz.
>most monitors are, in fact, 60hz
2004 called, Grandpa, it wants you and your sub 1tb drives back.

>>718298274
The biggest dimwit red flag is when they assume you endorse a state of affairs just by stating it, especially if it's uncomfortable. People love shooting the messenger these days.

>>718299865
Looks good to me

>>718299865
>no under skirt shot
fake

>>718285916
>decided that 24fps is the most pleasing
Retarded. They used 24fps because it's the absolute minimum to maintain the illusion of movement, because film was pretty expensive at the time.

>>718287248
The normiest of normies can tell the difference between 60fps and 120fps. My normie friends who don't know what framerate is nor play vidya can immediately tell if I disable 120Hz refresh rate on their iPhones.
All blind tests done show people can tell the difference between 120Hz and 240Hz quite easily. I can easily tell the difference between 120Hz and 240Hz on my OLED monitor, in fact when I reinstalled my system I could immediately tell something was off before I remember to toggle the higher refresh rate.
Most displays these days are in fact 120Hz. All new TVs are 120Hz, all new phones are 120Hz and 60Hz PC monitors are limited to cheapo office monitors and super high res content creation monitors. It's hard to even find one in a store these days unless you're looking at some $100 junk.
The cheapest cable you can buy is either HDMI 1.4 or DP 1.2 and they support refresh rate beyond 60Hz. You need HDMI 2.0 and DP 2.0 supported devices and cables when pushing the resolution and framerate at the same time e.g. 4K240Hz. A basic DP out via USB-C on most devices will let you output 1440p at 120Hz without DSC.

>>718300353
also the fact that the image is so blurry all the time hides a lot of the tricks films use so when hobbit released in 48fps people could actually see what was happening and spot the props and special effects easier
either way comparing movies to games is retarded because movies aren't interactive

>>718287248
1. Humans don't see in frames. Everyone can tell the increased smoothness of motion with higher framerates.
2. Console peasant detected. No PC gamer uses a 60hz monitor.
3. It's called a Display Port cable, you fucking philistine. Which is what most ports on modern GPUs are.

>>718291885
Someone already made an animation based on this where Dva takes a BBC.

>literal twice the performance load between 60 and 120fps
Not worth it. Just like 4K is not worth the performance load over 1080p.
Keep buying your new GoyPUs, convinced that you "need" it.

>>718301585
I'll take more frames over more useless lighting effects.

>>718283093
I liked it

>>718285916
>apples and oranges
Every fucking time you retarded faggots.

>>718282353 (OP)
I normally don't give a shit if OP wants to be a gigantic faggot and troll. However, I respect this animator, and hate to see his work blemished.

I think it's pretty clear to everyone that the video has been interpolated. But that's not what it looked like originally. OP added the interpolation in order to express his abundance of faggotry.

Ive played n64 games at 20fps for so long that it bugs me to see them at higher framerates.
Not that I don't want people to be able to play ocarina of time at 60fps, but I personally can't stand it. I want my default n64 framerate.

>>718285916
>24fps is the most pleasing for human eyes
That's not why. Originally it was to save on film reel costs and now it's to save on production costs. If you have more frames per second then people can notice more details of what's happening, so you can't hide low production quality with motion blur.
You can't rely on 24fps in vidya because you're actually controlling the motion yourself, so it feels choppy when the motion isn't smooth.

>>718301202
>2. Console peasant detected. No PC gamer uses a 60hz monitor.
Not that anon, but my single monitor only goes as high as 60PFS. My 3070 has 1 HDMI slot, and 3 of those other display slots. I've never used the other three. I could probably run most games higher than 60FPS, but that would require getting a second, better monitor, and I'm poor for that.

I used to really get into these frames/resolution debates 15 years ago, but nowadays virtually all games I play look like this so I don't care anymore.

>>718290371
I hate weebs

>>718283093
FUCKING DOGSHIT

>>718298274
>polturd arm chair psychologist
cut the bullshit
you just want to insult entire races you don't like but can't do it honestly
say nigger say kike or shut the fuck up
even normalfags see through your thinly veiled racism

>>718302287
>only having a single monitor
damn bro

>>718304104
I'll call you a nigger if I intend to call you a nigger you dumb piece of brown shit.

>>718304206
You can only look at one thing at a time. Multi-monitor people have attention spans of a tiktok user and can't live without being overstimulated.

>>718304260
blah blah blah
you are a sorry excuse of a white person, discussing niggers online
unlike me who is actually white

>>718287194
Sex with squids

>>718282353 (OP)
We're past the point of struggling to reach a steady 60 FPS at this point, even on consoles.
The next step is to understand that FPS is part of the presentation of the game, just like lighting, motion blur, and the overall art direction of a game. Sure you have to balance that with playability but that's true for everything in a real game that's not a walking simulator for retarded fags.
If a game is designed and meant to be seen at 12 FPS because it's a silent era pastiche adventure game then you play it at 12 FPS.

>>718283093
Looks fucking awful

>>718290371
Don't forget the little girl billions have been lost to

I don't mind some games at 30fps
For instance dark souls and deltarune
I mind anything that needs precise timing though

>>718304429
You type "nigger" on 4chan. I spend time researching genetics and racial psychology so I can be more racist.

We are not the same.

>>718304296
>having to alt tab all the time
no thanks

>>718304669
Sakuraaaaaaa

>>718282353 (OP)
24fps is unusable garbage for an interactive digital medium
if its not at least 75fps i dont consider it usable

I lost my virginity to a cosplayer dress as haruhi back in 2010
that was the only time I ever had sex and I got herpes from it

>>718288115
that one is at 27 fps and it shows a slow motion movement. Pretty sure the original was 30 fps

>>718304995
>>718304669
as an adult you realize that a real pedophile animated this. You can see the religious passion put into it. Amazing

>>718305236
Having sex for the first time and getting an std is my biggest fear

>>718305424
Don't fuck the type of girl who drops her panties for literal randos at an anime con and you won't have to worry about that.

>>718284274
this one is 30 fps

>>718283093
Low framerate cgshit is the worst animation meme ever

>>718285916
when you film something in real life you're not fiming in 24 fps. You're filming a perfectly smooth motion and reducing it to 24 FPS. In animation you have timing and each frame is drawn. Even miniscule imperfections add up and your eye begins catching them. So you need higher FPS in games and even more so in animation to convey the same smoothness a movie can do in 24

>>718285243
this gives me motion sickness

>>718305236
Genital herpes? You know that you have a chance to kill any girl you have sex with now right? Good job, you should kill yourself

>>718283093
Words can't describe how glad I am that animators eat shit every single day and are about to be replaced by some unbelievably precarious and low quality automated tools in its early infancy. Fucking evil goblins propping up the most disgusting shit in every single aspect, even down to the animation itself.

>>718285916
film has the lowest barrier to entry and is thus the most popular among brainlets, books require literacy and videogames require literacy and mechanical input, it's no wonder videogamers have more refined tastes when they're just naturally far more intelligent

>>718290371
you sound insufferable

>>718285916
>tranime poster
>awful dogshit take
Name a more iconic duo

Only graphics whores ever cares about FPS over a solid 30.

>>718306458
>only people with eyes care about visuals
fuck you got me on this one, i got no comeback

>>718299534
Magical girls easily go back to the 80's or 70's, depending on what you call a magical girl. Cutey Honey was early 70's.

>>718299734
Meds

>>718282353 (OP)
Low FPS motion generally falls apart for 3D camera motion and is usually atrocious in 3D rendered animation.
Low FPS only works in live film, because the camera is capturing all of the light that exists in those moments between shots and low FPS in animation only works because it can cheat with smears and squash/stretch to imply that same effect.
>>718283093
If this were genuinely making an attempt at low framerate, then I could pause any frame and it would look ridiculous due those aforementioned animation techniques that imply motion, the fact that it isn't means that the animators don't understand animation.

Ahh, the 90's, when anime was gritty and real
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xKWiCMKKJg

>>718307057
>the fact that it isn't means that the animators don't understand animation.
no you actually gotta know animation to do something like that because it's using 3D animation to mimick older more limited animation that animated on 2s or 3s, it's basically just a style choice (along with being a massive reduction of work load which is why so many animators loves it) now yeah I agree it doesn't look good and the worst examples genuinely look like you're trying to run a new game on maxxed out settings on a 15 year old card but they do understand animation.
It's basically just a trend of animation studios aping spider-verse

>>718290371
>Devilkike Gaybaby
>Thinking Normalfag on Titan was ever going to be ANYTHING but shonenshit
>The mere notion of anime being primarily dystopian cyberpunk EVER
>Saying you're from 2009 as if it makes you an oldfag

>>718283093
Yeah OK but what's the title?

>>718307302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSuYWdn61_o
I could also post the 1997 berserk eclipse.

>>718306737
Sally the Witch is even older, 67.

>>718308170
It's not like they just stopped making anime for grownups after the 90's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9AuACG76Zo

They even made new Berserk shows. I mean, they were shit, but they made them. Goblin Slayer too.

>>718304847
Sauce me up on that nigger book, senpai

>>718308349
They’re even releasing a new, manga-accurate GITS next year.

>>718290371
retard, anime was much bigger than what was being exported to your dumb kid self back then

>>718307512
>it's using 3D animation to mimic older more limited animation that animated on 2s or 3s
You say that, but it's more like it's basing that ideology on having been told that animation often animates on 2s or 3s without actually observing or making any animation that animates on 2s or 3s.
"Limited animation" had to be smart about how it saved effort, or it would look like shit.

Gundam Thunderbolt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYTxnjzMI_g
I barely even watch anime now, but there's stuff out there if you want to watch gritty, manly anime, that isn't all just isekai and moe.

>W-Why does KPop Demon Hunters look like Spiderverse? Hurr durrr derp
IT'S LITERALLY ANIMATED BY THE SAME FUCKING STUDIO

>>718308825
Thunderbolt being brought up shows a pretty good point, a lot of the "gritty anime" from the past were just straight up OVAs not things that aired on TV, same how Thunderblots is a ONA, they can get away with more meanwhile TV has always been more tame and often just for kids

Also this thread is somehow even more retarded than seeing people discuss lossy vs lossless music. Yes there's an obvious difference and if you can't tell 60 fps apart from higher refresh rates that's purely because you haven't been exposed to it for long enough.

>>718285231
It's not that I'm a diehard traditionalist, there's just something super-fucking-wrong about 60fps 2d animation.

i'm fucking tired of good kino being ruined by shitty 24 fps panning shots desu

>>718287214
Games which reward high precision (like rhythm games or FPS) do benefit from the extra frames, but other than that, there isn't one.

>>718283335
It's not, looks like someone did it

>>718291442
the fact they dropped that effect was what solidified ui as shit for me

>>718286518
I remember flicking through random twitch streams 13 years ago; the streamer died in CS or something and chucked a massive hissyfit blaming it on his fps dropping from 110 to 95. Like bro, half of the people playing that with higher rank than you are running it on 20fps shitboxes. So fucking weird..

>>718309756
tech nerds are their own brand of insufferable. I think a lot of them don't even really like games as much as they like computers, and feeling like they have the top gear.

>>718293129
Yeah there are excellent to the rule, rules must be made with the general populace in mind and those in the margins suffer. Its objectively better that they suffer than the rules be wishy washy

>>718283078
You can apply the same logic to any frame rate. Artists do this all the time, which sometimes results in a "forced animation", as they say around here. Key frames can remain highlighted no matter how many "interpolated" frames there are between them.

>>718290371
Nah. If anything, anime became way edgier because those outliers that you list as the norm of pre-2005 were what encouraged future stuff to become fouler and grittier, to push the boundaries even further. A lot of the older stuff doesn't even have mutilation or on-screen death, whereas the moderns love to indulge in America-tier gorefests and bloody decapitations and children killings and so on. A lot of anime that aren't even considered that edgy by the modern standards, like Psycho Pass or Akudama Driver, would be ridiculously over the top compared to almost anything pre-2005.

>>718309868
now to be fair, 80's OVAs are like the most unhinged shit if you want gore (and rape) just for the hell of it. Even that had calmed down by the 90's.
Watch Genocyber and Violence Jack. They're not exactly "good", but they're an experience.

>>718305402
That's why it's so good.

>>718309967
okay, I guess Genocyber was 94, but that's still the end of that era. You're not quite at Evangelion and Cowboy Bebop era 90's yet.

>>718304847
>>718304429
>>718304104
>>718298274
Why the fuck are you dumbasses arguing in an FPS thread

>>718288613
Don't look up everything Hachikuji stands for in this context, it's the most cursed name in the story.

>>718282353 (OP)
>Put absolute dogshit interpolation over low FPS footage
>Dunning Kruger golems will in all seriousness claim that this is proof higher framerate is bad and you need more chopslop instead of smoothly animated stuff
I fucking hate disingenuous shit like this and I hate spiderverse and GG for introducing this idea to 3D even more. Even Aardman back when they were making Grand day out tried to make their clay animation as smooth as possible and improved on that over the years, but now people will claim that you can't have strong keys because too many frames apparently.
Fuck this and fuck you.

>>718304296
Having another monitor for notes or whatever is just damn convenient. Like I wouldn't feel the need to have one while playing a game unless it's enough of an autism sim to unironically warrant having a spreadsheet open while playing, but for getting nongaming stuff done they're invaluable.

>>718308090
K-Poop Semen Humpers

>>718283093
There's not a single fucking movement in that entire sequence that warrants choppy shit instead of just a little bit of splining to make it look way better
In fact, I'm fairly certain that with all those keys you could even skip the splining step and just interpolate this shit directly with no loss, since there's just enough frames for readable motion... which in turn is fucking retarded because all this time spent on making these frames could have been spent on splining between several good keys for smoother and better result instead.
Spiderverse was a fucking blight.

>>718283812
Nah I love the trend that arcsys and spiderverse introduced, using 2d tech for 3d animation makes it look more stylish

>>718310263
sorry

>>718283093
Tye longer you watch the more fucked this is. The camera pan and light effects movement are clearly at some way higher fps than the character movement. Its like they went with an artist choice for the characters but didn't think to apply any of that onto other aspects to give the final product a uniform look

I cant tell the difference between a 30fps game and a 60 fps game when playing them.

>>718299634
bro you can't even handle spicy food, you're white

>>718310192
I missed out on Cowboy Bebop when it was on Cartoon Network because we didn’t have cable. I finally watched it this year. It was OK, but I’m sure I would have enjoyed it more if I had seen it back then.

>>718283093
that spiderman animated movie ruined western animation for at least 20 more years. will our children be doomed to watch fucking ne zha growing up?

>>718284274
Yep, they just don't make 'em like they used to

Just installed 60 fps patch for Fire Emblem 3 houses the other day
Not gonna lie the game does look a bit better and smoother when it is not locked to 30fps

>>718288042
I'm waiting for the Kadokawa model kit.
I already have best girl.

>>718283093
what the fuck is that stop motion low fps garbage and why is this getting traction since 1-2 years.
Summer games fest was full of games like this

>>718282353 (OP)
I want my eyes to motion blur naturally not some gay pc filter on low frame count and other dumb shit like depth of field

>perfectly smooth
24 fps is way too smooth for stop motion animation, somewhere around 12 fps is ideal in that scenario.
but then stop motion animation and a traditionally filmed live action movie are not the same thing. and nevermind that neither are remotely comparable to a video game that you have complete control over. different scenarios require different framerates, this isn't that hard to grasp.

>>718311497
The black Spiderman animated movie seems to be getting blame for it.

>>718285243
I don't understand why 'variable' framerate isn't a thing.
Just do your animations in 12/24 fps whatever you want to do artistically and save that in a 48fps video.

so like this but not as intentionally retarded low fps
>>718283093
>>718284490

>>718299231
>the real reason a lot of animation studios has adopted this is because
of the bandwidth costs when this garbage is on streaming

>>718311497
All paths lead to 2 sources:
>Spiderverse
>Arcsys conference about making their 3D games looking 2D (Xrd and DBFZ specifically)
Literally just these 2. I remember when YouTube was filled with "GUILTY GEAR CHOP AND SLOP (Formerly animated)" videos and then Spiderverse sent it into overdrive due to being a massive hit.

Thankfully it finally seems to die out now. Even the new arcsys game is actually splined despite the marvel budget.

>>718311953
Looking at the spiderman movie trailer, I feel like those are two things
those that are inspired by it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wal9LoatbAQ
and the ones more inspired by classic stop motion animation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BocRzKoYF4k

>>718312143
That actually makes a lot of sense. Low key it’s cheaper to animate fewer frames and if you can slap a “style” label on it, streaming services eat it up. Combine that with machine interpolation and AI clean-up and you’ve got budget animation pretending to be avant-garde. It’s not “innovation,” it’s accounting.

>>718283093
I'd get motion sick after 3 minutes of this, what were they thinking?

>>718298274
>>718299013
people who read a 4chan post and think they are enlightened because they can narrate to themselves about apples spinning are the actual biggest dimwits you can ever meet

>>718312501
>I remember when YouTube was filled with "GUILTY GEAR CHOP AND SLOP (Formerly animated)" videos and then Spiderverse sent it into overdrive due to being a massive hit.
who the fuck gives a shit about arcsys and no I don't watch goyslop

>>718287330
Pretty much the same for me. I like to go slightly above 60 to about 70-90 FPS, but even then I understand it's not really a massive leap.
30 FPS is just about the threshold of playability. If it goes under that, most games aren't playable unless they're visiual novels or point and click adventures with a focus on deliberate puzzle solving.

>>718299451
Depends on the game. A lot of PS3 games are still very playable at 30 FPS if very stilted, but after 60 FPS became the norm becasue it made animations smooth and the game more responsive. After about 75-90 FPS though, you're lying to yourself if you think there's a massive increase in playability.

This thread is a nice reminder of how /v/'s userbase is made of people who genuinelly, sincerely loathe videogames.

Animating on 2's or even 3's is perfectly fine you literal children
Movies are not games, you don't need a high framerate to support quick reactions in a movie.

>>718314568
NO!
We need everything animated on 1's with 12 tone shading for every frame!
Accepting anything less means you're a cuck.

The 8 and 24 fps is only tolerable because the background isn't moving

>people ITT think not animating on 1's started with Spider-verse
Damn man I can't believe this french film from 1908 is just ripping off Spider Verse that's crazy

higher number = better
always has been

>>718282353 (OP)
less than 100 fps unironically feels bad to play

>>718302028
wow 8fps is perfectly fine...

>>718285916
how about you play a fighting game at 30 FPS and then at 60 FPS and let me know if you want to go down to 24FPS.

>>718286201
Zoomers like anything fast. Just like tiktok vids they used to subtitle with 1 word/milisecs instead of the whole sentence. That's why your brain rot.

>>718291587
they're animating mostly keys so you brain fills in the missing parts

>>718284274
>didn't pull out a sign that says "Oh no!"

>>718283093

>Cute Asian girl acting like an aggressive black man

Gross. Disgusting. Revolting.

>>718283093
Holy cringe kino.

>>718290371
I love knuckle dragging retard posts like this

I find this thread..dumb

>>718283093
>”we want our show to resemble 2d animation”
Then just make it 2d you DENSE FUCKS

>>718283093
The damage that Spiderman movie did to the industry is incalculable

>>718283078
Ok, have fun playing games at 8 fps.

>>718283093
is this the grubhub movie?

>>718319503
It’s Turning Red II.

>>718319556
so... yes?

>>718318343
costs too much (more than hiring the dei)

>>718319710
Yes.

Nothing annoyed me more was seeing that furry platformer with the goat use that shitty low framerate choppy animation while also going for an n64 look. Pick a fucking lane. What n64 games had 3d characters animate at a lower framerate than the game was running?