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Anonymous No.718599067 >>718599269 >>718600037 >>718600379 >>718600417 >>718600870 >>718601050 >>718601103 >>718601115 >>718602586 >>718603262 >>718603857 >>718604056 >>718604398 >>718604460 >>718605004 >>718605261 >>718606724 >>718607321 >>718607449 >>718607672 >>718607860 >>718608209 >>718608730 >>718608948 >>718609618 >>718610313 >>718610383 >>718611101 >>718613035 >>718616230 >>718616616 >>718617391 >>718618382 >>718619297 >>718619938 >>718620709 >>718622259 >>718622961 >>718624420
Why do so many modern CRPGs fail to create memorable and likable companions? I recently played BG3 and WotR, honestly I just wanted to leave all those annoying fuckers in camp.
Anonymous No.718599269 >>718599805 >>718600439 >>718601698 >>718602143 >>718602615 >>718613785 >>718613851 >>718616221 >>718616221
>>718599067 (OP)
I personally like most of the cast in Pathfinder games. To be frank, I couldn't tell you the background story for half of BG2's cast and I've finished that game multiple times.
Anonymous No.718599805 >>718600439 >>718602615 >>718603857
>>718599269
This plus Rogue Trader. Owlcat do companions pretty well.
Anonymous No.718600037
>>718599067 (OP)
I agree on bg3 but wotr's companions are incredibly memorable
Anonymous No.718600379 >>718600441
>>718599067 (OP)
You write what you know. If you want these people to write about real world, you have to force it on them.
Anonymous No.718600417
>>718599067 (OP)
Because they just rip-off the characters from older (and better) games
Anonymous No.718600439 >>718600556 >>718600609 >>718600810 >>718607243 >>718616363 >>718616478 >>718616992
>>718599805
>>718599269
BG2 party banter > pathfinder party banter
Anonymous No.718600441 >>718600836
>>718600379
why would I want a fantasy video game to be about the real world
Anonymous No.718600556 >>718600843
>>718600439
this is awful
Anonymous No.718600609
>>718600439
Owlkiddies aren't used to companions having actual conversations, one character talks and the other one responds and that's it, that's how they do it
Anonymous No.718600734 >>718600786 >>718602797 >>718606447 >>718608654
My problem with BG3 is that everyone is so !!!!!!!!!!!!!!EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! as soon as you meet them, already very well-developed in terms of character/skills, they act like level 12-20 veteran adventurers. In BG1 and 2, you felt like you grew together with these people, as a party, and by endgame your connection felt earned. It's a classic case of less is more.

Somewhere in the middle would probably be nice. BG2's minimalism, but with more dialogues and interactions with party members.

Another problem is that old boring white people are all retired or dead, so nobody is left in any industry who knows how to write believable humans. Believable humans include an element of boring, because humans are often boring. Humans have downtime, both in life as a whole and throughout the day. Every character these days is relentlessly "on" at all times. People who were adults in the 90s and early 2000s understood this instinctively, but Larian employees in 2020+ think that the platonic archetypal form of a human personality is a being that never stops quipping perfectly.
Anonymous No.718600786 >>718600925 >>718620620
>>718600734
>ou felt like you grew together with these people, as a part
The guy OP posted is literally a veteran paladin
Anonymous No.718600810 >>718604269 >>718604327
>>718600439
>talks herself up as the paragon of sin and sexual depravity
>is probably the most shy, vanilla woman you can possibly romance in 2, beating out even Aerie
Man, I miss this Viconia.
Anonymous No.718600836 >>718601135
>>718600441
Because you're a real boy and you have a real brain that can easily tell what's real and what's not. You can't force your brain to truly care about imaginary genders and problems, therefore you don't get to feel connected to the story, therefore you won't enjoy it. That's why this shit gets forgotten in months while Call of Duty stays popular.
Anonymous No.718600843 >>718602678 >>718602817 >>718616851
>>718600556
its still 10 times better than literal nothing you get in pathfinder
Anonymous No.718600870 >>718600940
>>718599067 (OP)
It's your brain that's the problem. Now that you're 45, your brain is filled with people you know already.
When you were 12, you filled your "people you know" space with fictional characters, leading them to remain memorable. Now you think normal people are vapid and empty, new fictional characters are just boilerplate tropes, and you all only remember your childhood heroes fondly, because you don't have space for new people in your brain.
Anonymous No.718600925
>>718600786
Yes and he's a relatively normal soldiering man with a family. He isn't quipping every 3 seconds into your ear. That is my point. It's not about power level, it's about unearned swagger. When everybody acts like the most important person in Faerun it's kind of boring.
Anonymous No.718600940
>>718600870
i played BG2 for the first time after 2020 have 0 nostalgia for it
Anonymous No.718600964
Millennial thought they could be writers without ever reading a book outside of school
Anonymous No.718601050 >>718602937 >>718603381 >>718618142
>>718599067 (OP)
>Why do so many modern CRPGs fail to create memorable and likable companions?
You played the old ones when you were young and impressionable, and it's convinced you that you've already seen the pinnacle of companion writing in CRPGs when in reality the ones you hold on a pedestal aren't special by today's standards
Anonymous No.718601103 >>718607420
>>718599067 (OP)
All CRPG companions suck. It's the genre's curse. Best you can get is one with novel gimmick, but as a fleshed out character? Ehhhhh.....

BG3 did up the level, but that's due to high production value and volume of interactions rather than actual character writing and design.
Anonymous No.718601115
>>718599067 (OP)
>damn, I hate [literally the same game feature and character archetypes]
>wow, I love [literally the same game feature and character archetypes]
shut the fuck up NERD your rpg games are all the same virgin fapfiction.
Anonymous No.718601135 >>718601236
>>718600836
I don't think I've ever seen someone say that CPRGs should be more like call of duty before. the mind of the /v/tard is a fascinating thing
Anonymous No.718601172
>it's nostalgia actually
>they're all bad actually
And so the coping begins
Anonymous No.718601236 >>718601284
>>718601135
>fails so hard at reading
That's Larian target audience for you, I guess.
Anonymous No.718601284 >>718601476
>>718601236
I'm an owlfag actually
Anonymous No.718601476 >>718601552
>>718601284
You can prefer burgers over french fries, but you're still eating garbage.
Anonymous No.718601552 >>718601820 >>718601840
>>718601476
as opposed to the high cuisine of cawadoody
Anonymous No.718601698
>>718599269
You're just a retard and haven't played with most of the bg2 party members.
Anonymous No.718601820 >>718602685
>>718601552
At least CoD is a real game and not incel soloslop
Anonymous No.718601840 >>718601959
>>718601552
>could've gone back and tried to understand what he couldn't the first time
>chose to just ignore it and do nothing
Truly the generation of failures.
Anonymous No.718601959 >>718602109
>>718601840
it's weird how you wrote "That's why this shit gets forgotten in months while Call of Duty stays popular" and then immediately wanted to distance yourself from it. why are you so terrified of your own statement
Anonymous No.718602109 >>718602253
>>718601959
And what's "that"? Like isn't a fucking tiktok, try to concentrate on things longer than 15 seconds.
Anonymous No.718602143
>>718599269
nah lier. faggot. kys
Anonymous No.718602253 >>718602368
>>718602109
"that" is the argument that CPRGs should focus on real-world issues. then you used cod as an example of that. thereby obviously saying that CRPGs should be more like cod. are you really having this much trouble understanding your own post
Anonymous No.718602368 >>718602493
>>718602253
If it was a joke, it's a good one. You should become a video game writer.
Anonymous No.718602493
>>718602368
if you're going to be this weird about someone engaging with your posts you should just think about what you're writing for a few seconds
Anonymous No.718602586 >>718602945 >>718619108 >>718620909
>>718599067 (OP)
BG2 pushed the companions into modern idea of COMPANIONS. In comparison BG1 they were basically henchman with paragraph of backstory. There were also more of them with alignment and choice exclusivity. Over the years I've learned I appreciate that approach more than when a big chunk of the story is tied to characters and their shitty side quests.
Anonymous No.718602615 >>718602762 >>718602840 >>718602967 >>718604269 >>718604897 >>718607546 >>718619932
>>718599269
>>718599805

>Owlcat
>good companions

Which was better, the sassy nigger paladin woman or the β€œI hecking love science” girl?
Anonymous No.718602678
>>718600843
>Activate Windows
I guffawed audibly.
Anonymous No.718602685
>>718601820
>being terminally online playing multiplayer means I have friends
Anonymous No.718602762 >>718602917
>>718602615
I have a feeling WotR characters were an answer to them all being mundane in Kingmaker. Tristian notwithstanding, I guess.
Anonymous No.718602797 >>718620620
>>718600734

>In BG1 you felt like you grew together with these people

No. BG1’s companions were barely interactive. You’re thinking of BG2.
Anonymous No.718602816
Anonymous No.718602817 >>718603092 >>718607581
>>718600843
do people really find this writing funny
Anonymous No.718602840
>>718602615
neither fuck these troon shitshow woke characters.
Anonymous No.718602917 >>718603246 >>718617979
>>718602762
>to them all being mundane in Kingmaker
Kingmaker alone has like four companions chosen by a deity
Anonymous No.718602937 >>718603029
>>718601050

This. When I see Baldur’s Gate 1’s writing praised I know it’s someone who last played it in the 1990s and doesn’t remember how sloppy it was.
Anonymous No.718602945 >>718603171
>>718602586
>In comparison BG1 they were basically henchman with paragraph of backstory.
nothing wrong with that. I liked it in nwn1 as well.
Anonymous No.718602967 >>718617032
>>718602615
Come on, anon, it's FANTA SEE! Forget about the boring reality and have FUN!
Anonymous No.718603029
>>718602937
BG1 is an example of writing close to tabletop at the time. It wasn't SRS BSNSN all the time or insufferably quippy, which seem to be two camps writing falls into these days.
Anonymous No.718603092
>>718602817
Jan is a dedicated schizo companion you take if you want goofy dialogue and banter, if you cant laugh at that you have stick in your ass
Anonymous No.718603171 >>718620483
>>718602945
Choosing anyone but Tomi Undergallows is a mistake because it implies you're playing a rogue to deal with locks/traps yourself. Which is a big mistake in NWN1.
Anonymous No.718603246 >>718603418 >>718603582
>>718602917
They are mostly fine, too. Kingmaker is a much better game than mentioned ITT wotr and bg3.
I guess that "gnome who insults the chaotic-evil ruler of the land he happened to be in" was an early warning sign of the things to come. No idea why modern writers can't comprehend the concept of mortality and all living beings' tendency not to put themselves into suicidal situations for shits and giggles.
Anonymous No.718603262 >>718603340 >>718603352 >>718603729 >>718606396
>>718599067 (OP)
>playing WoTr
>not liking the world's only based gnome
Anonymous No.718603340
>>718603262
Jubilost is better
Vhailor did the lawtard schtick better
Anonymous No.718603352
>>718603262
>ONE(1) good companion
lmao
Anonymous No.718603381
>>718601050
>todays standards
Anonymous No.718603418
>>718603246
>anon thinks that a character being confident is unrealistic
interesting
Anonymous No.718603582 >>718604129
>>718603246
>I guess that "gnome who insults the chaotic-evil ruler of the land he happened to be in" was an early warning sign of the things to come
People literally do this in real life, not everyone likes to shut the fuck up and bend over to evil rulers, are you retarded?
Anonymous No.718603729 >>718604105 >>718604325
>>718603262
How is he a character though? He's the straight man for the joke which is up to the player to provide, so the one which might never come. People remember Keldorn because he's flawed and even, sorry for the word, a deconstruction of the paladin trope. This guy has it all under control, he's as static as the merchant you sell +3 swords to.
Anonymous No.718603857
>>718599067 (OP)
Goverment bucks force you to go rapefugees welcome and many in the vidya industry are clown college attendees
>>718599805
Better than the source material alright, still bad
Anonymous No.718604056
>>718599067 (OP)
I liked some of WotR's companions, they're funny. The gnome nigga's interactions with the faggot nigger cleric are really funny. Wenduag was funny until she betrayed me and I killed her. The succubus is cute and has a nice little companion story. I think that's about it.
Anonymous No.718604105 >>718604508
>>718603729
What are you even saying? Regil has a personality. You can either agree or disagree with him. How is he different from any other character?
Anonymous No.718604129 >>718605176
>>718603582
Did you see it in a Marvel movie or something, LMAO? When was the last time you or your friends visited Afghanistan to shit on their rulers? When was the last time anyone did that? I'll tell you when, it was about a decade ago with the retarded kid in North Korea. He didn't do it out of his strong will and feel of justice though, he did it because he was retarded, and was crying and saying sorry right after.
Fucking kids these days, I swear.
Anonymous No.718604269 >>718621016
>>718600810
Play bg3, lol
>>718602615
I've read the goal was to recreate a real life scenario and the goal was to capture archetypical players. If that's true, that's game design for Brian amputee, but they did succeed splendidly, as the characters feel like tabletop clowns.
Anonymous No.718604325 >>718604421 >>718604508
>>718603729
what? just because a character isn't making wacky jokes doesn't mean they don't count as a character
Anonymous No.718604327
>>718600810
>>is probably the most shy, vanilla woman you can possibly romance in 2
What the fuck are you talking about?
Anonymous No.718604398
>>718599067 (OP)
Because they first and foremost have to orbit around the protagonist 24/7.
Anonymous No.718604421 >>718604617 >>718605040
>>718604325
You must love Sosiel then
Anonymous No.718604460 >>718606061
>>718599067 (OP)
Whenever I play BG3 I kept meeting characters that I wish I could take as companions instead. Like the smart ogre. I liked him more than any of the shitty companions we got.
Anonymous No.718604508 >>718605002 >>718605690
>>718604325
>>718604105
Sorry, I thought he was posted as an example of a good character. I have nothing against him, he's fine. It's just that it's all he is. Fine/generic.
Anonymous No.718604617
>>718604421
>how is he a character
>that doesn't even make sense
>guess you love fags then
are you okay?
Anonymous No.718604897 >>718604938 >>718604982 >>718606154 >>718607546
>>718602615
I liked Seelah and I'm tired of pretending she's bad.
>Agree with her character 90% of the time
>Neutral Good Paladin so she doesn't fall into lawful neutral bullshit
>Fought with my dog riding hobbit on the frontlines in every battle
>Calls out her own god, telling her the commander did good in the world despite where the power source comes from
>Good Hopeful vs Hopeless arguement with Ember, despite them both being NG they really come off as two different philosophies.
>Her and Lann felt like two genuine friends of the commander I could talk plainly with.
>You have to speak down to Ember and Sosiel, watch your words around Regille, and tard wrangle Daeran and Woljiff.
>I could see me, Seelah, and Lann going out to the bar together as equals.
I would have romanced her if I could. If Seelah had a cuter haircut instead of cornrows, fucking her would be considered based colonizing.
Arue and Gadfrey were awfully written, and Wenduag and Camellia should be killed in playthrough where the MC isn't an absolute retard.
Anonymous No.718604938
>>718604897
erm she's black though, you aren't allowed to like black characters
Anonymous No.718604982
>>718604897
Congrats on your shit taste I guess
Anonymous No.718605002 >>718605067 >>718605436
>>718604508
>generic
Because there are so many evil lawtist hellknights everywhere, right? Usually when you see a "MUH LAW" dude, they're either a "Prelate Hulrun" type villain or a "Lawful Good" kind of character.
Anonymous No.718605004
>>718599067 (OP)
It was a nice touch going through this guys quest line and if you tell him to that he should leave the party and spend time with his family you find him in The Order of the Radiant Heart.
Anonymous No.718605040
>>718604421
Sosiel Vaenic? That nigga has been on my mind, no cap.
Anonymous No.718605067 >>718605596
>>718605002
the hellknights are literally mercykillers rip-offs
Anonymous No.718605176
>>718604129
>When was the last time anyone did that?
Actually a couple months ago if you've been keeping up with the news
Anonymous No.718605261 >>718605398 >>718605946 >>718607061
>>718599067 (OP)
>blocks your path
Anonymous No.718605351
Harrim was great.
Anonymous No.718605398 >>718605561
>>718605261
Sorry but Regill isn't funnee enough for us enlightened baldur's gate enjoyers. He doesn't make jokes about his head imploding or anything
Anonymous No.718605436
>>718605002
Pretty sure that's the whole point of hellknights in the setting. You can even see the same type in the hellknight encounter in their previous game.
Again, nothing against this type of character. Just a perfect representation/stereotype of the group he's from. What distinguishes this character from another one from the same group though? And that's why I say there's nothing about him, good or bad.
Anonymous No.718605561 >>718605658 >>718607061
>>718605398
Better?
Anonymous No.718605596
>>718605067
PFtC for Pathfinder then.
Anonymous No.718605658
>>718605561
now this is a silly little guy I can get behind
Anonymous No.718605690 >>718605792 >>718605994
>>718604508
You're right but you won't get /v/ to admit it, Regill is the cool edgy lawtard type that this place loves but he barely has a character outside that
I like comparing the "dream scenario" of his with Sten's from DAO (a similar lawtard type character), Regill goes
>heh... this kind of stuff won't work with me...
while Sten actually enjoys dreaming about seeing his qunari companions again, even if he knows that it's all fake
Regill is all style over substance
Anonymous No.718605730 >>718605861 >>718606072 >>718606224 >>718606749
"Amazing" WotR companions
>fag (wolf)
>fag (nig)
>fag (snarky nobleman)
>fag (reddit mutant)
>bland (professional)
>sassy girlboss (nig)
>sassy girlboss (psycho)
>heckin science (furry)
>woman (man)
>dysgenic edgy mutant (female)
>woman (old woman)
>fag (dragon)
>Innocent Girl (TM) (loli)
>only good character (Regill)

real winner of a list here
Anonymous No.718605792 >>718605983
>>718605690
>Regill is the cool edgy lawtard type that this place loves
name five cool edgy lawtard characters
Anonymous No.718605861
>>718605730
>>Innocent Girl (TM) (loli)
uuuhhh... sign me up!
Anonymous No.718605946
>>718605261
The stairs of desire with him endeared himself to me. He really was the best written character.
Anonymous No.718605983 >>718606080 >>718606185
>>718605792
Those two, Vhailor, Javik and Ajantis
I was going to say Dak'kon but he's too passive and not bloodthirsty enough
Anonymous No.718605994
>>718605690
Damn, I'm not a fan of DAO but that was a great scene. You come in thinking "poor Sten is all tricked my MC's gonna help him see the light" and he just goes "yeah I know". Another cool scene was when he questions the MC running around doing sidequests and you can actually say to him "shut up I know what I'm doing".
Anonymous No.718606061
>>718604460

Minthara is the best companion and should have had a proper companion quest.
Anonymous No.718606072 >>718606164 >>718606506 >>718607587
>>718605730
>>sassy girlboss (psycho)
Anonymous No.718606080
>>718605983
thank you for the cool edgy lawtard characters. if you have any more send them my way
Anonymous No.718606154 >>718617979
>>718604897

>nigger

Don’t care she doesn’t belong in medieval fantasy
Anonymous No.718606164 >>718606345
>>718606072
Forgot to add: Who wouldn't want one?
Anonymous No.718606185 >>718606261
>>718605983
Ajantis has like two lines of dialogue and zero speech outside his intro and battlecries, appears randomly in the first game, and dies an ignoble, random, unavoidable death in bg2.
Anonymous No.718606187 >>718606343
Baldur's Gate was BioWare in their infancy and didn't have anyone who suggested adding inter-party banter like in BG2, except in the most primitive ways--like, how the Paladin squire's AI would very frequently lock on & do its damndest to kill Viconia since Paladins are oath-bound to NEVER tolerate the presence of Evil creatures. People modded that script out because they wanted drussy
Anonymous No.718606224 >>718606424 >>718606491 >>718606695
>>718605730
I always wonder how broken a person has to be to hate Lan. He wasn't great, but I could not imagine what was there upsetting anyone but the most miserable. Its like hating the flavour vanilla?
Anonymous No.718606261
>>718606185
People still like him because of how utterly obsessed with killing anything that smells slightly evil he is
Anonymous No.718606343
>>718606187

Drussy is based
Anonymous No.718606345 >>718606691
>>718606164
My problem with cam is that at the end of the day she's just a standard reddit girlboss character who happens to be an insane serial killer. It's like duct taping a spoiler on a family minivan.
Anonymous No.718606396
>>718603262
Literally the only good companion in wotr
Anonymous No.718606424
>>718606224
yeah vanilla is a pretty terrible flavor when it's a character you're supposed to find interesting or compelling
Anonymous No.718606447 >>718606714 >>718607127
>>718600734
The difference is that the people in BG3 are actually important AND they have their own agendas and goals. They have missions of their own, and you may choose to help them, or you may choose not to, in which case they might leave you. In BG1 and 2 YOU are the special one, and everyone just kind of gathers around you. They may have their quirks, but not agendas, unless you consider Keldorn thinking about retiring to be some driving force of his character. In BG3 you're not more special than any of your companions, and they have each been blessed or cursed with some burden and task that they need to see through. It's probably largely due to the fact that you can actually choose to play as one of them for some extra story, but it works when they're mere companions, too.
Anonymous No.718606491 >>718610424
>>718606224
He isn't vanilla though, he's a reddit millennial and I use that term as accurately as is possible. He's the Wheadonspeak NPC of WotR.
Anonymous No.718606506 >>718607062
>>718606072
to this day i dont understand people who like this annoying cunt
Anonymous No.718606614 >>718606924 >>718607425
BG1 and 2 have too many companions and none of them are fleshed out.
Anonymous No.718606691 >>718609364
>>718606345
I didn't really catch much reddit-esque dialogue with her. I used to physically cringe when seeing a reddit comment and I didn't really get those feelings with her dialogue.
Anonymous No.718606695 >>718607440
>>718606224
Again, are we talking about having good characters, or not having bad characters? The education system lied to you, there is no participation prize. Do well or don't do at all.
No one is forcing them to go that away either - just make a combat-oriented game like BG1 if you can't write for shit. But choosing to focus on well-defined party members while not having writers who can pull that off is retarded.
Anonymous No.718606714 >>718607001
>>718606447
>In BG1 and 2 YOU are the special one, and everyone just kind of gathers around you.
In BG2 companions will leave if your reputation doesn't align with their alignment and sometimes will even try kill each other depending on your party comp, so that's not true
Anonymous No.718606724
>>718599067 (OP)
Wotr companions were pretty good but owlkek goes too hard on the quirk chungus sometimes. It worked better in RT. I thought dos2 had good companions too
Anonymous No.718606749 >>718607585
>>718605730
Where's doctor robotnik
Anonymous No.718606801 >>718607015
>The education system lied to you, there is no participation prize
Anonymous No.718606924 >>718607159
>>718606614
yeah and BG3 has fleshed out gay companions that will bore you to death
Anonymous No.718607001
>>718606714
Alignments aren't agendas. A lawful good paladin refusing to travel with a genocidal maniac doesn't really add much to his character, nor does it make him more important or driven in any way.
Anonymous No.718607015
>>718606801
i look like this and seethe about the american education system for no apparent reason
Anonymous No.718607061 >>718607259
>>718605261
>>718605561
Also, what's wrong with this silly little guy?
Anonymous No.718607062 >>718607217 >>718607351 >>718607653
>>718606506
I can fix her
Acceptable rape victim
Femdom fags
Rich bitch lovers
The mentally ill
Anonymous No.718607127 >>718607249
>>718606447
Thats fair, but the gambling degenerate in me loves pernadeath. Having enough characters in BG1 that I could afford to kill them off, made me ironically much more emotionally attached to them than the better written characters of BG2 and 3. Each dungeon had me very concerned about those bland 2d sprites in a way characters I revive never will.
Anonymous No.718607159
>>718606924
Nowhere did I say BG3 was good either. The whole series is massively overhyped.
Anonymous No.718607217
>>718607062

>he doesn’t like femdom

Ur gay
Anonymous No.718607243
>>718600439
Hallo Malakal
Anonymous No.718607249 >>718608063
>>718607127
Nice. I'm too much of a coward to take a random non-story death and just roll with it refusing to revive or reload, desu. Well unless I really hate the character.
Anonymous No.718607259
>>718607061
The whole thing was such a scam, lol. Were "undead followers" some kind of milestone on some begging platform they used? So much potential, and in the end it's just nameless goons you could've created yourself if you bothered to cheat-in the perk.
Anonymous No.718607321
>>718599067 (OP)
You must be a retard to call wotr companions forgettable. Sure, liking them is preference, but they are memorable, that's a fact.
Anonymous No.718607351
>>718607062
>Femdom fags
I'm a femdom fag and Cam doesn't give me dominatrix vibes, she's just a murderous psychopath
Anonymous No.718607420 >>718611717
>>718601103
>Wrex
>Shepard

See how easy it is when you have competent writers? Everyone still remembers 18 years later
Anonymous No.718607425
>>718606614
The canon companions are fleshed out:

Edwin
Korgan
Jaheira
Imoen
Aerie
Viconia
Sarevok
Keldorn
Anonymous No.718607440
>>718606695
The most poorly written post writing smugly about the education system well being unable to comprehend what its even replying too is exactly the kind of broken retard I am referring too. This is absolute pottery, kek!
Anonymous No.718607449 >>718610175
>>718599067 (OP)
Pathfinder tries too hard to make everyone special
Anonymous No.718607546
>>718602615
>there are only 2 companions in wotr
>>718604897
>I'm tired of pretending she's bad
I kill her every playthrough, except Aeon. And only because I can fix deserters. On other paths I kill them and she dares to disobey her commander. That's a treason.
Anonymous No.718607581 >>718607680
>>718602817
literally nothing in the world is funny, anyone who laughs at anything is a faggot undeserving of life
Anonymous No.718607585
>>718606749
So unmemorable I forgot
Anonymous No.718607587 >>718607770 >>718607869 >>718607982 >>718608043 >>718608278
>>718606072
They could have made her so much better if they didn't overdo her evil side. Having her fascinated by killing and blood constantly was a mistake.
It'd be much more interesting if she just behaved like an innocent noble throughout the first part of the game. Then when you catch her next to one of her victims she should claim that an evil demon controls her body from time to time and that she's scared and needs help.
Then finally, many hours later, she could reveal that she loves killing and fooled everyone around her.
It's not totally unlike what happens in the game they just do a shit job at making her believable. A serial killer in a fantasy setting, without any supernatural shit involved, is a fun idea. But don't make it so obvious. Our first encounter with her has her drooling over a dead body for fucks sake. That's the first impression. Why not have the player save her from a dangerous situation so you'd naturally think of her as someone you'd need to protect?
Anonymous No.718607653
>>718607062
You never had a hot 10/10 psycho slut that's way out of your league get interested in you, start flirting with you? It doesn't escape you years later, trust me.
Anonymous No.718607672 >>718608018
>>718599067 (OP)
I thought Daeran and Regill were better than anything in BG2, especially Minsk or however you spell it
Anonymous No.718607680
>>718607581
ghostbusters is pretty funny
Anonymous No.718607770
>>718607587
>Having her fascinated by killing and blood constantly was a mistake.
No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcHl_kpnAn4
Anonymous No.718607860
>>718599067 (OP)
because all the writers were sheltered redditor fags
hire actual human beings instead of NPCs and you'll suddenly get varied and interesting writing
anime isekai slop is still more entertaining than D&D writing and has been for at least a decade
Anonymous No.718607869
>>718607587
Subtlety is a skill.
Anonymous No.718607982
>>718607587
It could've been further enhanced by entering a scene where an already introduced scoundrel, liar and evil person is about to kill her after getting an upper hand on her. They both plead their stories and at that point the player would be biased to believe the story of his own party member over the known rapist-murderer but still plant a seed of doubt.
Saviour fantasy turned into accomplice in murder.
Anonymous No.718608018 >>718615208
>>718607672
>Daeran better than literally any bg1/2 character, including Montaron
kek MAO
Anonymous No.718608043
>>718607587
That would require too much effort
Anonymous No.718608063
>>718607249
I get it. I think we all are like that originaly, I didnt change till fire Emblem. Ive tried to force it into new games and its a mess that doesn't work, anything you are replaying though, I highly recommend it. It hurts though, but thats where the gambling high comes from! Repetitive boring shit becomes interesting again if you are old and jaded like me.
Anonymous No.718608209 >>718608378 >>718608472 >>718608591
>>718599067 (OP)
Don't forget about this "devolution" constantly going on in the industry. Why would you be a fucking video game writer if you're good at your job? The only possible reason to end up as one is to fail in EVERY other field you've tried. and it's the same with the actual dev crew, too.
Anonymous No.718608278 >>718608568 >>718608850
>>718607587
It is funny to see her waifufags go "yeah bro she's a subversion she manipulates you thinking you can fix her 11/10 character"
then you play the game and she's one step away from cumming every time you find a corpse and her alignment is hidden. People really like to make things up to make characters sound more deep than they actually are
Anonymous No.718608378 >>718608606
>>718608209
>Why would you be a fucking video game writer if you're good at your job?
Because you like games?
Anonymous No.718608472
>>718608209
I think in addition to the skill atrophy problem, the reason writing was handled by fuckin nerds programming the game in the first place was because of the sheer passion they had for the game they were making. BG1/2 has a lot of hit or miss writing, but you can easily tell they were made by giganerds who loved the Forgotten Realms.
Anonymous No.718608568
>>718608278
Yeah, forgot about that. Hidden alignment? Nah, probably not important.. or maybe she's lawful good and don't want to reveal it?
Not to mention her battle yells. "You will be today’s sacrifice!" Aww, such an innocent little girl.
Anonymous No.718608591 >>718608749
>>718608209
you only think this because you play AAA slop aimed at normalfags. there's plenty of great and passionate writing that you never see because the games don't have lots of marketing
Anonymous No.718608606
>>718608378
kek. one will definitely NOT work in the industry if they like video games. try to actually play the games that are being made.
Anonymous No.718608654 >>718609065 >>718609324 >>718610075 >>718611604 >>718611756 >>718613409 >>718615348 >>718615810 >>718616729 >>718617135
>>718600734
I dropped BG3 about 6 hours in just because of the character dialogue. It's written in an extremely modern voicing that is just incredibly obnoxoius and breaks any sense of immersion.

All the fantasy writing I like, from Howard's Conan to Faferd & the Grey Mauser or Acts of Caine or 90s Warhammer, LOTR or Jack Vance or even Malazan... they all have a sense of taking place in a medieval setting and they all take their setting seriously. There are dark and harrowing elements to medieval and ancient history... women had almost no rights, social caste was incredibly important, life was cheap, death was constant, religion had a huge impact on daily life...

So when we play fantasy RPG video games we get to both go back in time and explore a part of our own human history, but also mix in magic and myth to make it into something even more alien, interesting and dangerous.

The mixture of medeival human history with fantastical elements is a winning match... but it's all for nothing if you fill the world with completely modern characters who speak with modern cadence and social norms. Constant sarcasm, constant cursing (something that would have been far more serious in medieval times), arrogant and boastful female characters, endless quips, and every character acting like they have a college degree level of sophistication and knowledge... it's all so dull... Even worse when you treat the world with mockery and foolishness... the stakes of the characters, their relationships, their dreams and desires mean nothing when everything is said with a wink and a nudge.
Anonymous No.718608730
>>718599067 (OP)
I want to say fantasy "incest" is why. D&D derived itself mainly from Tolkein, and Tolkein wrote as pure a fantasy as you could go, it 1 generation removed from mythology, folklore or epics. Tolkein's works had no tropes, how it chose to portray the likes of dwarves and elves would become tropes over time.
The longer fantasy genre goes on, the more the tropes become caricatured signposts to include to key in the player it's a fantasy setting. Like the joke in isekai is there is an Adventurer's Guild, set in a city with a circular fence with a river flowing through it. Your isekai world isn't really one until you signpost like that.
So by the time of BG3, with the internet saturating your brain with tropes, opinions and pop culture references, you can see the writers behind the characters. You can see their opinions, you're familiar with what they read/watch, and it takes you out of the setting.
When I played BG2 I had no idea Jan Jansen was a big jew stereotype. I grew up in bumfuck Texas, there are no jews here. But I leveled up my goy browsing /b/ in 2004 and finally understood everything.
BG3 doesn't impress because you're too smart and well read for the writers to surprise you. You've read the fantasy they have, you've lived a life parallel to theirs. They have nothing interesting to say.
Anonymous No.718608749 >>718608906
>>718608591
Are the games talked about ITT some hidden gems aimed at a bunch of dedicated fans?
Anonymous No.718608850
>>718608278
Well, we do have actual kids playing these games and posting about them here afterwards. I truly thought most hot anime girls were deep sophisticated characters when I was 15.
Anonymous No.718608906 >>718609101
>>718608749
...not really?
Anonymous No.718608948
>>718599067 (OP)
That was always the case, you had one likable character and few bimbos so you picked that dude and whatever bimbos you liked, this is why I'm thankful to Bioware for going with 4/3 people party size.
On the other hand if there was a character creator you just used portraits from other media to have your own fun, that's why in the same year BG3 came out my GOTY was an indie RPG where you could fully customize companions including custom portraits.
Anonymous No.718609065 >>718610816
>>718608654
Fucking this. It even comes down to VA performance too. I'm supposed to be talking to a High Priestess of Goodgod, not some fucking city barista with vocal fry
Anonymous No.718609101 >>718609215
>>718608906
I don't see how it's relevant then. When people mention video game devs, they don't normally picture a one-man army who works on his little girl cannibal simulator for 20 hours a day just for the fun of it.
Anonymous No.718609215 >>718609410
>>718609101
You don't see how the fact that good writing exists in the video game industry is relevant to the statement "Why would you be a fucking video game writer if you're good at your job? The only possible reason to end up as one is to fail in EVERY other field you've tried"?
Anonymous No.718609324
>>718608654
fairly accurate description of the problem
Anonymous No.718609364 >>718609523
>>718606691
that's because reddit is just a catch all term for thing i don't like
Anonymous No.718609410 >>718609605
>>718609215
The industry is about getting the money, about being AAA or striving to become it. You can be disingenuous and mix in passion projects that will never bring their devs any money, but I don't have to play along.
Anonymous No.718609523
>>718609364
>t. reddit
Anonymous No.718609541
My urge to hatefuck Camellia just keeps increasing each year
Anonymous No.718609605
>>718609410
It's extremely obvious that most indie developers who make games for a living are not simultaneously striving to become a AAA studio but I suppose you can have your own retarded private definition of what the video game industry is if you want.
Anonymous No.718609618 >>718610604
>>718599067 (OP)
Not a single published work of media with any mid to large size budget has been created in 20 years that isn't birthed in progressive ideology. This complete homogenization of creative expression to espouse left wing thought is an impressive feat of silent threats... nobody talks about it, but everyone knows that if you produce any media that isn't toing the party line for the globalist, progressive left, your career will quietly end, you won't get invited to any more parties, and your job prospects will be null... and before any of that happens your project simply won't get funded.

Even fairly progressive TV shows like Law and Order in their early seasons would take a political topic and have likable characters strongly argue both sides of a contested topic (religion, abortion, self defense, immigrants taking jobs, etc.) This made for some fascinating stories! But we can't have anything interesting like that anymore, because all media must also function as progressive propaganda.

Due to this complete cultural control by the global left (enforced quietly through social, academic and career pressures) modern media, including games, is incapable of telling good stories.

How can you have a memorable roster of companions or even a decent story in a fantasy rpg when you cannot portray a strong, white male heroic noble character? When you cannot have any women that aren't extremely competent, powerful, and bossy? When you cannot portray any race or monster as pure evil? When you are only allowed to sexualize men or gay men, but never women? When the bad guys must be white or religious or conservative? When all immigrants and refugees must always be good?

Hopefully we are at a cultural turning point as the world seems fairly sick and tired of the leftist bullshit, but it will take a while for more centrist or right wing media to return.
Anonymous No.718610075
>>718608654
>Constant sarcasm
I really hate how much writers feels the need to include constant sarcasm and irony.
It's like they don't believe the audience can handle an honest dialogue. Not necessarily serious, but honest and straightforward. They seem to feel like they need to keep winking at the audience, to go "yeah, that just happened!", to break up the tone and pacing with self-aware comments and nudges to the audience.
The characters feel less like characters and more like actors playing character but they find the script a bit funny.
>"Oh, you're gonna give me another quest? I might have guessed..."
>"A giant dragon? I knew I should have stayed in bed this morning."
>"You want to kiss me? Well, you don't have to ask me twice!"
Shit like that. I love humor in games but it has to be more than just winking at the audience or being "holds-up-spork" silly. It's fantasy, it's not a serious drama, it's okay if we relax a bit and have natural dialogue. But overusing sarcasm isn't natural it sticks out like a sore thumb. It drowns out the places where it could actually have some impact.
Anonymous No.718610175
>>718607449
Why shouldn't they be special? In WotR you are nearly a god leading a crusade against all demonkind to save the world, of fucking course your companions aren't random street rats or rank and file soldiers.
Anonymous No.718610313
>>718599067 (OP)
you're a sociopath
Anonymous No.718610342 >>718610469 >>718610915 >>718611407
The most fundamental thing Bg3 is missing about characters that Bg1 and Bg2 had is a reason to care about them.
Anyone who ever played Bg1 and Bg2 before mods or anything had to care about their companions. Because there was a limited amount of companions in the game and you could not change their class, you could not respec them, you could not get hirelings. Korgan the dwarven tank fighter was a one of a kind. Evil motherfucker, but no one could tank like he did. Edwin, Aerie, was there better wizards in the game? And it would happen that some companion left because you didnΒ΄t do their quest fast enough, or you did something that didnΒ΄t align at all with their evil or good alignment, or 2 companions would get in a fight. And if they left or died fighting each other, you lost whatever unique abilities they brought to the party. In bg2 Keldorn is the only paladin in the game you can get as companion. Carsomyr, the holy avenger sword, the best sword in the game. The only 5+enhancement sword in the game. Only one. And it can only be wielded by a paladin. Which means unless you from the start picked paladin yourself, and I was an archer elf fighter, the only companion you could get to wield that sword was Keldorn. So when Keldorn tells you we need to go and talk to his wife and family, you care and you listen and you support it and you do it. Because Keldorn is unique to your group and having him leave the group because you ignored his desire to see his family or because you did something insanely evil, is a major fucking problem for the groups monster slaying capabilities. Aerie who I did end up romancing in Bg2, with her fucking endless talks about her wings being cut off. Totally supportive every time she opened her mouth, where do I get another cleric/mage all of the sudden? What if IΒ΄m in the Underdark or some other place and she just leave because you are being an asshole? SheΒ΄s not replaceable.
Anonymous No.718610383
>>718599067 (OP)
It's the lack of conflict. Modern RPG companions are all "perfect" even when they have some internal struggle. Negative traits are something to be resolved in modern games, not to be interacted with. It makes them lifeless and uninterested by default.
Anonymous No.718610424
>>718606491
Thats fair. My question to you is if there is a way to present an easy going nice guy that doesn't fit that criteria. Can you name a well written neutral good character.
Anonymous No.718610469 >>718610915 >>718611039 >>718612663
>>718610342

In Bg3. You meet Withers and find out that every single one of your companions are completely replaceable. 1 for 1 you can get the exactly same character that the companions with a story line have.
So when Astarion wakes me in the middle of the night on my first run and tries to suck my blood. What is his value that I donΒ΄t just drive a stake through his heart right then and there? So far in the game, he is the only thief I met and the group needs a thief. No other person in the group offers his dexterity or lockpicking and trap disarming skills. Oh wait, I can just get a hireling with his exact skills and levels, it can even be a high elf like him. He offers nothing that a hireling canΒ΄t get me, other than more dialogue, well he just tried to suck my blood in my sleep, fuck him, a stake through the heart it is then. I then go and talk to Wyll, get him in the group and change his class into thief, no problem, Astarion totally replaceable. Later on IΒ΄m faced with a supposed dilemma, I can either help Wyll get out of the contract with a devil or I can kill the devil and send Wyll to hell? Well what the fuck does Wyll offer the group that I canΒ΄t get from a hireling? I already changed him from warlock to thief, why not just get a hireling thief with the exactly same stats that Wyll has? Indeed why not, itΒ΄s in the game so I guess itΒ΄s there to be used. So thatΒ΄s what I did.
If I didnΒ΄t have the option of changing class and stats constantly, if I didnΒ΄t have the option to replace any member of my group in a heartbeat with a hireling with the same stats and class as my companions, I would not have killed Astarion right then and there. Because then Astarion would offer something invaluable to the group, that would me make me care to try and find another solution then driving a stake through his heart. But the game gives me no reason to care about my companions other than what their dialogue can offer and itΒ΄s just not enough.
Anonymous No.718610604 >>718610690 >>718612029
>>718609618
You are completely correct about shitlib subversion, but adding on to a pozzed worldview and mental landscape, they also suffer from the very practical issue of not even being physically around traditional people. They're all cityfags who literally can't comprehend people who aren't themselves, exactly like we have no fucking idea what a rural mongolian is like. Only they see this ignorance as a fucking virtue.
Anonymous No.718610690 >>718610874
>>718610604
>t. Seething genetic deadend
Anonymous No.718610816 >>718611368
>>718609065
I'm playing Warcraft 3 campaign again and it's such a great example of what's been lost. Is the story in Warcraft 3 a work of literature? Not at all. It's shlocky and campy and full of tropes... but it's done earnestly and the voice acting is absolutely incredible (compared to modern games). So despite the cartoony graphics, the exaggerated character portraits, the bright colors... Warcraft 3 still tells a dark and dramatic story just by virtue of great voice acting and earnestness.
Anonymous No.718610874 >>718611159 >>718611219 >>718611837
>>718610690
>t. Is chromosomally incapable of being a woman
Anonymous No.718610915
>>718610342
>>718610469
I haven't felt like that in BG1-2, maybe because I knew about the multiplayer start trick when I played, but it was definitely true when I played KotOR2. It IS convenient to be able to change anything instantly at your first thought, but it truly kills the immersion in what's happening in the game.
Anonymous No.718611039
>>718610469
Funny... because you could not be more wrong if you tried. The BG3 companions all have unique skills and abilities they start with and/or gain throughout the game. They also have their own storylines, which have another benefit of providing you with more experience and unique items meant for the characters, that you would have missed out on if you had just killed them and replaced them with generic mooks.
On the other hand, the companions in BG2 and especially in BG1 do not actually have anything like that. And, maybe you're forgetting, you can make and import generic characters into the game to replace any you might have lost.
Anonymous No.718611101 >>718612051
>>718599067 (OP)
you're meant to post a picture of a game with memorable companions
the only companion i remember from either bg1 and 2 is imoen and that's only because she was fucking annoying

I don't even like WoTR much but Regill shits all over anything in either of those games. You liking a character because 'haha funny voiceline I've heard a million times' doesn't make them memorable or likeable, it just makes you a lobotomite.
Anonymous No.718611159
>>718610874
is that supposed to be a bad thing?
Anonymous No.718611219
>>718610874
We are both correct, yes. Why are genetic deadends so obsessed with other genetic deadends but with axe wounds?
Anonymous No.718611329 >>718611810 >>718612923 >>718613274
Baldur's Gate 2 companions feel so... I dunno, sincere? Not a single shred of irony. Even the designated joke characters behave with more dignity than the vast majority of modern CRPG characters. Jan outright reverts to a more serious and grounded attitude if shit gets dire.
Starting to truly appreciate this.
Anonymous No.718611368 >>718611462
>>718610816
Based
Anonymous No.718611407 >>718614494
>>718610342
>had to care about their companions
companions in those games are literally stat balls that you only even need if you're shit at the game
you're talking about a game that's so mechanically barren that a single person with a bow and speed boots can solo 99% of the game with 0 difficulty

Good fucking luck doing ANYTHING solo in BG3, even on normal mode, let alone the harder difficulties.
You nostalgiafags are so obnoxious.
Anonymous No.718611462
>>718611368
Good game
Anonymous No.718611604
>>718608654
>dark and harrowing elements
>lists several great things
Anonymous No.718611717
>>718607420
>Shepherd
Are you retarded anon? He is not a companion
>Wrex
Are you retarded anon? He sucks.
Anonymous No.718611756
>>718608654
Almost everything you mentioned (minus the cursing) is also present in not only BG 1 and 2, but most RPGs at the time.
You are living in fantasy land.
Anonymous No.718611810 >>718612024 >>718612095
>>718611329
Modern writers can not put themselves in a fictional characters shows and write them realistically. Every character and plot motivation has to be a literal nightmare projection of their sleep paralysis demons (men, their dad, people with penises)
Anonymous No.718611837
>>718610874
Chromosomes aren’t real dumbass
Anonymous No.718611846
owarida
Anonymous No.718612024 >>718612251
>>718611810
Johnny from Cyberpunk is a very well written character with a ton of depth.

Retarded westerners can't write anymore, you should've said.
Anonymous No.718612029 >>718620204
>>718610604
I see it in my own life. I'm an upper class white collar office worker. Everyone I know is flabby and pale and plays golf. In my life I'm either surrounded by fellow college educated upper class people, or by the typically lazy, dull immigrant or young person who I am forced to interact with at the coffee shop or grocery store. I am not impressed with the life story of an obese 25 year old mexican woman who rolls her eyes with derision as she takes my order at Starbucks.

But... whenever I have to meet with contractors or blue collar workers of some sort, I'm reminded that there is a whole different type of human out there. They aren't buff like body builders, but rock solid from a lifetime of physical labor. They aren't politically correct or overly verbose, just simple and direct. They aren't dumb and cynical like the lower class grocery store checkout girl, they have a cunning and intelligence that is different from the college type. I feel like they would be the soldiers and blacksmiths and farmers in medieval times, where I would be the pampered nobility and the grocery store people would be slaves.

It's got to be hard to write good stories when you're only surrounded by the modern day equivalent of the gluttonous, overeducated nobility or the ignorant slaves that stock shelves at Target.
Anonymous No.718612051 >>718612205 >>718612306
>>718611101
>but Regill shits all over anything in either of those games
The reputation this midget gets is truly baffling, anyone who has actually played the IE games should know that Vhailor does everything he does and better (without being a funny haha gnome that acts nothing like a gnome, get it?)
Anonymous No.718612095
>>718611810
There are actually taught to be that way, too. They believe or at least made to know there's a belief that you must write like that or you're not a good writer and your work is literal hitler. It will continue until people take it into their hands to remove the problem at its source.
Anonymous No.718612205
>>718612051
>is apparently seeking good writing
>criticizes a character for not simply being a race trope
Not sure what I expected here. Go read a book.
If you can.
Anonymous No.718612251 >>718612353 >>718612391
>>718612024
>Le hecking wholesome chungus is well written
Uh
Anonymous No.718612306 >>718613623
>>718612051
>funny haha gnome

Regill literally doesn't say anything (intentionally) funny ever.
Anonymous No.718612353
>>718612251
congrats, you gave him a reply. now he's encouraged to shitpost more.
Anonymous No.718612379 >>718612528
Wenduag is poor man's Viconia
Regill is poor man's Vhailor
Arueshalae is poor man's Grace
Woljif is poor man's Annah
Daearn is poor man's Zevran
Lann is poor man's Alistar
Anonymous No.718612391 >>718612540
>>718612251
I too, love to talk about characters I know nothing about other than what actor portrayed them.
Anonymous No.718612528 >>718612583 >>718613951 >>718614031
>>718612379
I'll give you Annah
All the other ones on your list? Maximum cope. Shit-tier characters with like 20 lines total.
Except Zevran and Alistair, who are literal capeshit-tier characters, quipping and spouting one liners the entire game.

Holy fuck you people are embarassing.
Anonymous No.718612540 >>718612772
>>718612391
Does he do anything the entire game but be a fourth wall breaking hallucination
Anonymous No.718612583 >>718612867
>>718612528
>Owltard pretending to have standards
lol
lmao even
Anonymous No.718612663 >>718612816 >>718612942 >>718613074
>>718610469
It says a lot that most people pick BG3 companions based entirely on whether or not they want to fuck them.
As much as I adore Karlach (and I do, don't get me wrong, I genuinely love her despite the Reddit dialogue), she doesn't really offer anything that I couldn't get from a hireling. Honestly, the hirelings and the ability to change character class at any point was a mistake on Larian's part because it totally invalidated any unique benefit that the companions provided (not to mention devalued their stories - why exactly should we care about Shadowheart's issues with Shar if she's not even a cleric of Shar?).
Anonymous No.718612772 >>718612903
>>718612540
You clearly don't actually care, so why bother asking?
Better to continue shitting on things you know nothing about, and then wonder why we're in a thread praising intensely mediocre games from the late 90s who even at the time, were critized for tropey, quip-spamming characters with 0 depth.
Anonymous No.718612816
>>718612663
That's the crpg classic. Making your party a harem. It's a shame they use the same female model for everybody and there's no titcows and midgets
Anonymous No.718612867
>>718612583
Good argument. I don't even like Owlcat games, I just happen to detest BG even more.
Anonymous No.718612903
>>718612772
I can tell you're the kind of guy who needs my cock
Anonymous No.718612923 >>718613013
>>718611329
The real-life references are extremely tasteful too. BG2 makes references to Don Quixote and The Count of Monte Christo. Meanwhile BG3 makes references to Critical Roll and Marvel.
Anonymous No.718612942
>>718612663
>she doesn't really offer anything that I couldn't get from a hireling
You literally just explained what she offers, she's an actual character instead of a nameless merc
Anonymous No.718613013
>>718612923
Part of the problem is that everyone that wrote bg3 should probably be in a concentration camp for unpatriotic behavior
Anonymous No.718613035 >>718613671 >>718614616
>>718599067 (OP)
The fear of making content enjoyable to straight white males. Which is a big no no for them.
Anonymous No.718613074
>>718612663
I picked the frog because she's based
I picked Karlach because barbs are busted
and uuuh, I don't remember who the third was? Probably Astarion.

BG3 did pander to retarded twitter coomers, granted, but pretending everyone playing the game only cared about that is like calling the game the bear sex game because it has one joke fade to black scene.
Anonymous No.718613220 >>718613323 >>718613345 >>718613431 >>718613594
I think people are way too lenient on how absolutely dogshit the combat is in BG3. Nobody who is actually into CRPGs likes that turbo casual physics gimmick garbage.
Anonymous No.718613274 >>718613879
>>718611329
>more serious and grounded attitude if shit gets dire.
>jan with 202X writing: "well, that just happened. Do you want some turnip cookies?"
Anonymous No.718613323
>>718613220
I dont care about low IQ gimmicks because I just won't use them, however the encounters, enemy design and loot (the entire gameplay of a crpg) is poo
Anonymous No.718613345
>>718613220
To be honest, combat is the least of BG3's problems. Who even needs combat in RPGs, it's much more important to have a fun, diverse leveling system and a good writer team. And BG3 has none of that of course, lol.
Anonymous No.718613409
>>718608654
Best post on this board in a while
Anonymous No.718613431 >>718613812
>>718613220
I think people are way too lenient on how absolutely dogshit the combat is in BG3. Nobody who is actually into CRPGs likes that turbo casual physics gimmick garbage.

As opposed to how 90% of CRPGs worked, ie watching invisible hitrolls and spells that are all just variants of 'this person/area is cc'd' or this person/area is damaged'.

>turbo casual
Post your honor mode win. You wouldn't get 1 hour into the game.
Anonymous No.718613482
you tried
Anonymous No.718613594 >>718613812 >>718613880 >>718614052
>>718613220
The combat is literally the only good thing about it. It is 10x more complex and involved than any other CRPG, what are you even talking about you retard?

It's literally the only fucking reason a ton of people put up with the cringe ass characters and story, because it shat all over the usual braindead CRPG gameplay.
And if you think meme oil barrels are anything but a funny gimmick even in normal mode, you never actually played the game.
Anonymous No.718613623
>>718612306
read the rest of the post
Anonymous No.718613671 >>718614018
>>718613035
hey guys we made a roleplaying game where you can be anyone or anything, and filled it with choices! Except we made sure to remove any of the choices straight white men would like... We hope you gays, women and mutts enjoy!
Anonymous No.718613785
>>718599269
>I couldn't tell you the background story for half of BG2's cast
why do you need a exposition about every character. holy shit what the fuck is wrong with you?
Anonymous No.718613812 >>718614114 >>718614179 >>718614467
>>718613431
>>718613594
Name 5 CRPGs you've played in the last 5 years.
Anonymous No.718613851
>>718599269
>I couldn't tell you the background story for half of BG2's cast
That's because they literally have none.
Anonymous No.718613879 >>718614259
>>718613274
I shudder to think how a modern Jan would look like in general, especially with his side quest revolving around a woman he never gets.
Anonymous No.718613880
>>718613594
its marginally better than horrible combat in WotR, the thing which carries it is good encounter design.
Anonymous No.718613951
>>718612528
This, but significantly less needlessly autistically agressive.
Anonymous No.718614018
>>718613671
No idea why you pretend that gays have no standards. They still need to be enamored by a character in order to like them. I'd definitely want an option to romance Keldorn, but it doesn't mean I have no brain, taste or life experience to not see the clowns in Baldur's Gate 3 for the failures they are.
Anonymous No.718614031 >>718614374
>>718612528
>who are literal capeshit-tier characters, quipping and spouting one liners the entire game
Wow, just like Daeran and Lann!
Anonymous No.718614052 >>718614123 >>718614492
>>718613594
The combat is atrocious. Nobody but the biggest fattest neckbeards pretend like turn based is anything but a derivative type of game made for low end plastic gooksoles from the 80's
Anonymous No.718614114 >>718614351
>>718613812
Fire Emblem 3 houses
Fire Emblem Engage
Fire Emblem 1
Fire Emblem 2
Fire Emblem 3
And Ill do you one more
Fire Emblem 4
I bet you feel pretty stupid now huh?
Anonymous No.718614123 >>718614284
>>718614052
>RTWPnigger still mad
Anonymous No.718614179 >>718614351 >>718614632
>>718613812
In the last 5 years specificallly?
BG 1, 2, 3.
Both Pathfinder games and the W40K one (though I hated that one)
NWN 1
Underrail
PoE 2
Shadowrun Dragonfall
Jagged Alliance 2
Colony Ship (also fucking sucked)

Probably missing one or two.

Your turn.
Anonymous No.718614259
>>718613879
You don't have to think about it, Nenio already exists
Anonymous No.718614284
>>718614123
No legitimately. Making a modern turn based game that isn't some AA kusoge that sells 150 copies is probably one of the most pathetic things you can do

Bg3 is a monster hunter wilds tier disaster design wise
Anonymous No.718614351 >>718614716
>>718614114
>Fire Emblem
>CRPG
>>718614179
Some of those are pretty good. Funny how they're nothing like what you described though.
Anonymous No.718614374 >>718614465
>>718614031
No idea about Lann, I don't let retards in my party so I don't know what he's like.
Daeran is well written. Do his quest.
Anonymous No.718614465
>>718614374
Daeran is exactly the kind of quippy reddit tier character you supposedly hate so much, you just give him a pass because you're a fag and want to fuck him
>Do his quest
Already did, and it's funny because his quest is barely focused on him and more on the eldritch abomination he has inside him
Anonymous No.718614467 >>718614546 >>718614593 >>718614616 >>718614853
>>718613812
After 300 hours of owlcuck this summer ive taken a brake and cant get back into gaming.
Im staring at 4, which one should I try to play.
>Age off decadance
>Colony ship
>Vampire Masquerade
>PoE2
Or do I force myself to finish DOS1 (80% done) or PoE (70% done non DLC).
Anonymous No.718614492
>>718614052
>my brain starts hurting the moment I have to do anything but click on the enemy and watch my +10 rolls over and over with zero interaction on my part other than RARELY having to move a little

Not sure why you felt the need to out yourself as special needs, but there you go.
Anonymous No.718614494 >>718614607
>>718611407
You've completely missed the point of that post.
The fact you can solo BG2 doesn't detract from the fact that Keldorn is the only party member who can wield a +5 sword; Yoshimo is the only party member who can lay traps; etc.
Anonymous No.718614546 >>718615234
>>718614467
Owlcat and larian games are unplayable so you made a mistake there. The red pill is there's like 5 good crpgs
Anonymous No.718614593 >>718614843
>>718614467
Vampire Bloodlines is fucking sick dude. PoE2 sucks balls even if you somehow liked the first game. Colony Ship and Age of Decadence are both pretty good as well.
Anonymous No.718614607
>>718614494
Ah-ha, but you're forgetting about Astarion having a special 1d4 bite attack! Bet you feel stupid now!
Anonymous No.718614616 >>718614843
>>718613035
sexy women are racist

>>718614467
Vampire Masquerade probably. PoE2 will feel too similar. Age of Decadence is pretty good but hardcore, and Colony Ship is the "sequel" to it. Similar game but different setting, also very good.
Anonymous No.718614632 >>718615080
>>718614179
What was wrong with Colony ship? Any advice on how to enjoy it better.
Anonymous No.718614716 >>718614782 >>718614812 >>718615319
>>718614351
You asked me to name what CRPGs I played in the last five years, not whether or not I liked them. Out of all those, the only ones I'd say hold a candle to BG3 in terms of combat complexity are Jagged Alliance 2 and the Pathfinder games.

But even the Pathfinder games are just the same BG1/2 slop with just more number stacking. Having 500 feats that all add +1 to your rolls doesn't really stop the game from just being a hitroll simulator.
Anonymous No.718614782
>>718614716
I don't give a fuck bitch. Your grandmother the whore and I fuck your ass bloody.
Anonymous No.718614812 >>718614909 >>718614949 >>718615137 >>718615324
>>718614716
Yeah except you didn't actually play them, otherwise you wouldn't repeat le number stacking meme.
Anonymous No.718614843
>>718614593
>>718614616
Sweet, cheers. Vampire goth titties it is.
Anonymous No.718614853 >>718615861 >>718618763
>>718614467
VTMB is one of the best written games ever. Play that one. The gameplay is kinda shit though.

Age Of Decadence and Colony Ship both suck ass.
PoE2 is... Okay? It just has literal fucking novels worth of exposition at every turn which makes it a chore to play through.
Anonymous No.718614909
>>718614812
He's right though? 3e slop is unplayable garbage for losers
Anonymous No.718614949 >>718615798
>>718614812
He didn't play JA2 either, because there's no complexity in the basic game. It all comes from the mod that in time replaced the original game in popularity, but still has nothing to do with actual JA2 and its difficulty level.
Anonymous No.718615080 >>718615369
>>718614632
I don't know, the characters all felt really bland and generic, and the setting itself didn't have anything interesting going on, despite the novel premise.

It didn't help that the combat was a janky, awkward mess.
Anonymous No.718615137 >>718615304
>>718614812
>otherwise you wouldn't repeat le number stacking meme
Pathfinder is indeed just a number stacking game, occasionally dispelling the enemy if you're on hard or unfair, but other than that, you just stack numbers by prebuffing and then watch everything die
Anonymous No.718615174
best crpg is underrail
Anonymous No.718615208 >>718615329
>>718608018
Yes, unironically.
Reddit and boo
Anonymous No.718615234
>>718614546
nah you just don't like CRPGs, you like grand adventures. And I don't really give a fuck if you think combat is too complicated in Owlcat games, that's honestly not my problem. I could fuck you any time I wanted.
Anonymous No.718615257 >>718615369 >>718615392
It's always funny how casuals expose themselves by not mentioning SCS at all.
Anonymous No.718615304
>>718615137
"Watching everything die" isn't the problem. The problem with 3eslop is it lost the plot on what's actually fun and deliberately floods the player with options half of which are a detriment
Anonymous No.718615319 >>718615891
>>718614716
It's no BG3 but I found Wasteland 3 came closest. Told the DLC was awful though.
Anonymous No.718615324
>>718614812
It sounds like YOU didn't play it.
The entire game is number stacking.
My fucking angel character at the end of the game had literal +50 to some of their rolls.
FIFTY. Do you know how much stupid shit I had to stack to get it that high?

It was fucking awful.
Anonymous No.718615329 >>718615829
>>718615208
Right, the only type of reddit you can like is the sassy homo type
Anonymous No.718615348
>>718608654
/thread
Anonymous No.718615369 >>718615440 >>718615489 >>718615581
>>718615080
The combat was fine, but yeah I didn't really give a fuck about most of the characters either. The overall story and events of the game are good, though.

>>718615257
what the fuck is SCS you bitch sucker
Anonymous No.718615392
>>718615257
I tried it solo and got whooped so I uninstalled it
Anonymous No.718615440 >>718615568
>>718615369
>what the fuck is SCS
The proper way to play BG1&2. Everyone who is serious about CRPGs knows what it is, it's like asking "what's Quake?" in a thread about shooters.
Anonymous No.718615479
What game has the best potential for reactivity and branching paths and such? I'm not counting WoTR's mythic paths.
Anonymous No.718615489 >>718615568
>>718615369
>what the fuck is SCS
lol underage
Anonymous No.718615568 >>718615681 >>718615698 >>718615987
>>718615440
>>718615489
BG1 and 2 are fucking boring though. I remember trying to play them when I was a kid and got tired of Imoen being a fucking retard all the time, never finished either one. They just aren't fun.. Planescape Torment had better combat and story.
Anonymous No.718615581 >>718615749
>>718615369
>what the fuck is SCS
its the best way to play BG1/2 for past 20 years, improves enemy AI and fixes some OP stuff
Anonymous No.718615678 >>718615795 >>718616037 >>718616072
newcomer to BG1/2. can I do both EE and SCS, or are they mutually exclusive? Why one over the other?
Anonymous No.718615681 >>718615930
>>718615568
>Planescape Torment had better combat
Do you enjoy pretending to be retarded?
Anonymous No.718615698 >>718615930
>>718615568
>what the fuck is SCS
It's too late to pretend to be retarded. You don't have basic knowledge.
Anonymous No.718615749 >>718616072
>>718615581
Honestly I thought it was a bit game breaking if you're not a full party player. Having low level enemies running around with ghost armor in starting dungeons is fucking retarded
Anonymous No.718615795 >>718616048
>>718615678
I'm pretty sure EE has everything by now. Still no idea why you'd play it over good old BGT.
Anonymous No.718615798
>>718614949
>there's no complexity in the base game
A single fucking mechanic allowing you to stand, crouch down, or go prone is already more mechanical depth than pretty much the entirety of BG1/2. Let that sink in.

And that's not even going into the fact that the game has a whole strategy/management overworld gameplay side.

Base JA2 has morale, destructible environments, interpersonal relationships, limb targetting, autistic armor/crafting/inventory systems, the list goes on. JA2 is one of my favorite games of all time, you can fuck right off.
Anonymous No.718615810 >>718617102
>>718608654
>constant cursing
You lost me there, if you think normal people weren't foul mouthed back then you're retarded
Anonymous No.718615829
>>718615329
This post is making my head implode XD
Anonymous No.718615861 >>718616305
>>718614853
VTMB is one of my favorite games ever and I can't believe nobody has made anything since with a similar structure.

It's like a crpg with how it handles dialogue, tons of options and a big focus on writing, but has the added benefit of extremely well animated facial expressions and good voice acting to push it to the next level.

It's an action rpg with how it handles character building and skills, lots of classes that are extremely different, and a more limited set of skills that all have a pretty major impact on your character. Most of the action is done in real time, not as much number crunching as a typical rpg.

But then it's an immersive sim when actually playing... first person, action based, and filled with good old imsim choices of stealth, talking or going in blasting. Lots of documents to find, things to steal, bits of lore to discover and NPCs to fuck with.

Then to top it all off, it has the coolest approach to level design going for a layered "hub and spoke" approach where you have multiple hub areas filled with stuft and characters to interact with, and then littered with linear areas for missions that allow the game to have more focused sections of gameplay / storytelling.

It's just the best of all worlds and it does all of this with incredible presentation and one-of-a-kind early 2000s goth style... only downside is the bugginess and first-person combat can be a bit weak or frustrating at times.
Anonymous No.718615891
>>718615319
I have that game on my to do list. Heard some good things about it.
Anonymous No.718615930
>>718615698
I don't like your game, deal with it.

>>718615681
My advice to you is to back down before you make a fool of yourself again and I fucking dominate you.
Anonymous No.718615987 >>718616050
>>718615568
I mean, pretty much every other CRPG has better combat. BG1 and 2's combat is fucking awful.
The only other series that has combat that bad is Fallout 1 and 2. Clunky, shitty unbalanced mess where you just stack one stat and win.
Anonymous No.718616037
>>718615678
yes they ported it into EE long ago and its where it still gets updates, i would skip some of the recent "experimental" components like food rations lol, also install other mod anthology tweaks (only pick the QoL components) and EEex for bubbs spell UI
Anonymous No.718616048 >>718616169
>>718615795
I read there's BGEET. Would you recommend that?
Anonymous No.718616050 >>718616491
>>718615987
I don't know have you played bg3?
Anonymous No.718616072 >>718616149 >>718616321
>>718615678
EE does not have SCS. You can just install SCS on the EE version, they don't conflict at all. SCS is arguably the peak of the CRPG genre when it comes to combat, at least for that specific type of game. It filters shitters like this one >>718615749 because you actually have to think about what you're doing in every encounter. It's the only CRPG that I know of that has actual, proper magic duels, where wizards try to outsmart each other by using certain spells.
Anonymous No.718616149
>>718616072
You can have wizard duels in base bg1 though?
Anonymous No.718616169
>>718616048
Heard that too, but I simply have no need to try it - I still have my old BGT package I made in my student years on every device possible. Again though, I'm almost entirely sure you can do everything you could do in the original with this EE crap.
Anonymous No.718616221
>>718599269
>>718599269
faggots
Anonymous No.718616230 >>718616410 >>718616449
>>718599067 (OP)
Sounds like a you problem, i liked the companions in the new Crpgs, even more than the old ones who were a walking cliche.
Anonymous No.718616305 >>718616401
>>718615861
It's okay champ, you're getting a sequel next month, hahah... Haha... Ha...

As a fellow VTMB enjoyer, I really liked Cyberpunk. The lore/setting is nowhere as good, but I really liked how most of the characters were written, the cinematography in the important moments and the immersion of it all.

Probably the closest game I've found to VTMB. It does almost all the things you quoted minus the hub area thing.
Anonymous No.718616321 >>718616730 >>718616853
>>718616072
>good wizards in a video game
Not a fucking chance. A wizard's versatility cannot be properly shown in any video game due to the inherent limitations. This is why anyone who plays as a wizard is a fucking retard. A game can properly represent a warrior or a thief, but a wizard is always misrepresented. In other words, I'm so deep in your ass you're Gerge Floyd
Anonymous No.718616363 >>718616436 >>718616484 >>718616731
>>718600439
Why does BG2 have this retarded indian american aesthetics about its character design? lmao

its stupid and looks ugly as fuck too. what the fuck was the deal with that?
Anonymous No.718616401 >>718616579
>>718616305
2077 would be the perfect game if it had fast travel.
Anonymous No.718616410
>>718616230

>walking cliche

Every single companion in Wrath of the Righteous is a cliche, just not a fantasy cliche.
Anonymous No.718616436
>>718616363
Primordial Photoshop of real people
Anonymous No.718616449
>>718616230
>even more than the old ones who were a walking cliche
the new ones literally copy the old ones
Anonymous No.718616478 >>718616639 >>718616692 >>718616734 >>718617214
>>718600439
Wow amazing writing, definitely better than Pathfinder /s
Anonymous No.718616484
>>718616363
>Indians
>one with nature
>live in peace and harmony with the land
>a peaceful people
>can talk to animals
>mostly pacifists and vegans
>isolationist and nationalistic
they're basically elves that's why
Anonymous No.718616491 >>718616634 >>718616705
>>718616050
I have, the combat is pretty good.
Playing it in honor mode was legitimately a blast for the two runs I attempted, even if I only managed to get halfway through.
Planning on trying it again in a couple of years when there might be some cool mods for it.

Never ever replaying BG1 and 2 again though, that shit puts me to sleep. Plays itself.
Anonymous No.718616579
>>718616401
It does? You can either use the fast travel beacon thingies or use the metro.
Anonymous No.718616616 >>718616712
>>718599067 (OP)
>nobody posted this
Anonymous No.718616634 >>718616731
>>718616491
Okay because bg3 is worse than bg1 or 2
Anonymous No.718616639 >>718616837
>>718616478
Mmm yes, delectable, SERIOUS RPG writing from the 90s, totally not the same quip-filled bullshit we get now, no, not at all...
Anonymous No.718616692
>>718616478
>not posting the best scene
Anonymous No.718616705
>>718616491
>Never ever replaying BG1 and 2 again though, that shit puts me to sleep. Plays itself.
BG2 caster heavy party actually involves quite a lot of strategy, very fun to use. Sorcerer or dragon disciple MC is god tier.
Anonymous No.718616712
>>718616616
>The 90's, back when gays were still in the closet
We have to go back
Anonymous No.718616729 >>718617016 >>718618325
>>718608654
Easily one of the funniest posts I've read on /v/ in a while, and chapeau to the mass of retards applauding this as some dogmatic revelation
>There are dark and harrowing elements to medieval and ancient history... women had almost no rights, social caste was incredibly important, life was cheap, death was constant, religion had a huge impact on daily life...
Spoken as someone whose understanding of history comes from Wikipedia articles and 90's Hollywood adaptations. It would even be comical, if only you clowns didn't genuinely believe in this crap and keep spouting it. Big overarching sentences thrown out like gospel, and all from the same crowd that drops to their knees in Walmart whenever they see a blackie in a fantasy game
>constant cursing (something that would have been far more serious in medieval times)
Hysterical stuff, congrats anon
Even if I try ignoring the infinite literary examples we have, from Chaucer to Dante to the fabliaux (equally found in both French and British traditions to my knowledge) to Boccaccio to Occitan/Sicilian troubadours to early Germanic carnival plays, I am GENUINELY curious to know what your actual academical sources for this TRUTHNVUKE are. Because surely you wouldn't pull such a big statement out of your ass only to have retards lap it up like that?
The seeds of puritanism still corrode the joy of many young men without them even realising it, and I can only sit there and pity them impotently
Anonymous No.718616730
>>718616321
never played a game where mages feel similar to BG2, even WotR where you have billion spells it all feels superficial and nothing like BG2 where you have access to sequencers, contingency and god tier protection spells. Especially with SCS mage duels are very fun and theres nothing like it.
Anonymous No.718616731
>>718616363
the devs were hacks and legitimately couldn't draw so they photoshopped some shit instead

>>718616634
Your mental illness is noted.
Anonymous No.718616734
>>718616478
>posts a mod
The average retard here hasn't played it so props for trying
Anonymous No.718616738
Where is the anime avatar anon that embarrasses all BG2 fanboys and makes them shit and piss their pants with solid arguments they can't refute? i miss that anon
Anonymous No.718616837 >>718617027
>>718616639
maybe don't be a snarky little bitch and say what you really think instead of being passive aggressive like some dumb little shit who doesn't get any respect because he doesn't give any and thinks his opinion fucking means something even though he doesn't respect anyone else's opinion like a little shoelicking whore on the street fucking like a rat and completely FAILING to understand what a good game is because he needs the bright flashing lights and the bright colors to understand why and how the line goes up and the numbers get bigger you stupid fuck
Anonymous No.718616851
>>718600843
WOTR is at least hundred levels above Baldur's Gate 2 in quality
WOTR is hardcore, meanwhile Baldur's Gate 2 is casual slop
Anonymous No.718616853 >>718617928
>>718616321
I couldn't believe it either until I played SCS on max difficulty. Try it, you won't regret it.
Anonymous No.718616992
>>718600439
I like it except the last line, which is cringey.
Anonymous No.718617016
>>718616729
>Insectoid not understanding fishing to the sound of low bitrate synthesizer music
Grim
Anonymous No.718617019
Saerileth, my platonic love!
Anonymous No.718617027
>>718616837
Anon.
It's okay.
You like a shit game.
You don't have to get that angry.
It's not that serious.
I have some shit games I like too.
Really.
It's fine.
Anonymous No.718617032 >>718617110 >>718617137 >>718617341 >>718617639 >>718617695
>>718602967
I fucking hate karlach because she has the fake personality that people invented for being social media whores.
Anonymous No.718617102 >>718617301 >>718617425 >>718618345
>>718615810
As an example, an uneducated village girl would never say the Lords name in vain in medeival Europe. A bunch of warriors would likely curse, but women would not be socially allowed to speak like that without major social impact. I mean, even in the 1950s a woman saying "fuck!" would be a big social embarassment. Society was insanely more conservative for most of human history and most of this was enforced by extreme social pressures.

So when we have a supposed medeival fantasy setting where women can walk the streets in pants, wearing armor, and act like tough warriors (when they would immediately be killed by even the weakest man in physical combat) and then we have them curse like sailors, boast, and talk shit like men, it's just so silly and jarring to the setting.

I mean it's one thing to have a woman fantasy character who uses bows or stealth or magical trickery to make up for her size, but modern fantasy games just do nothing interesting with gender... men and women are 100% interchangable under progressive ideology and it makes medeival fantasy settings feel stupid and modern.
Anonymous No.718617110 >>718617273
>>718617032
Thankfully, you can literally chop her head off for a quest as soon as you meet her.

Another thing the fucking awful earlier games don't let you do.
Anonymous No.718617135
>>718608654
>constant cursing (something that would have been far more serious in medieval times)
lol lmao. It's so rich seeing people go on about muh believability and immersion yet at the same breath showing how their perception of the past is just a different brand of romanticized lies.
Anonymous No.718617137 >>718617297 >>718617350 >>718617360
>>718617032
I felt embarrassed on behalf of the dev team when I got to her. There are too many people nowadays who weren't bullied enough when it mattered.
Anonymous No.718617214 >>718617628
>>718616478
2 Dialogue options to say yes
2 Dialogue options to say no

People talk shit about Fallout 4 but at least its better written than this shit, lmao
Anonymous No.718617273 >>718617434
>>718617110
>Another thing the fucking awful earlier games don't let you do
Okay so you're baiting then
Anonymous No.718617297 >>718617494
>>718617137
modernity is so gay that the bullies will be the outcasts these days because the weak greatly outnumber the strong. I was the bully, tall, better looking, better, richer family than everyone, and the losers outnumbered me 100 to 1. Its over.
Anonymous No.718617301
>>718617102

Um ackshually women are just as good at knightly combat they were just oppressed. Also black people were super common in medieval Europe, I saw it on Netflix.
Anonymous No.718617341 >>718617631
>>718617032
>i get angry when people are nice and caring towards others so of course I hate Karlach
You have Schizoid Personality Disorder.
Anonymous No.718617350
>>718617137
I'm sure they were very ashamed, swimming in their piles of accolades, sales and praise from anyone who's not mentally ill.

Actually, praise from non-mentally ill people AND the mentally ill people. It's actually quite a feat how they managed to cater to retarded trannies and to people who just like a good ass game at the same time.
Anonymous No.718617360
>>718617137
You realize the writers are untouchable caste diaper wearing flurries and moldy femcels right ? And all the NPCs are self inserts of their broken childish psyches
Anonymous No.718617391
>>718599067 (OP)
trying too hard to be le quirky characters "like muh favorite dnd streamers"
Anonymous No.718617425 >>718617472 >>718617552 >>718617707 >>718617850
>>718617102
>this is what /pol/tards actually believe
You faggots really are just like redditroons.
Anonymous No.718617434 >>718617690
>>718617273
Can you point me to the dialog choice or cutscene where I get to chop off Imoen's head?

I'll wait.
Anonymous No.718617472 >>718618160
>>718617425
im so deep in your ass your not even human anymore bitch
Anonymous No.718617494 >>718617783
>>718617297
>I was bullied for being based!
The absolute state of v.
Anonymous No.718617552 >>718617662 >>718618160
>>718617425
You know when you say poltard you out yourself as a dysgenic that should be gassed right?
Anonymous No.718617628 >>718617842
>>718617214
he already posted romance mod screenshot i dont remember this dialogue so it might be some of his shitty NPC banter mods lol
Anonymous No.718617631 >>718621542
>>718617341
nta but I also mildly disliked Karlach
Not because of her constant swearing, but because she simply didn't fit the role they wrote out for her

She's an enslaved barbarian who's been forcefully been fighting in the Hells for years for someone she absolutely loathes
Her body is literally more scars than flesh.
She has a fucking burning engine grafted into her chest.

She would not be a chipper, happy-go-lucky girl with a heart of gold, even if she were that originally. Her personality just completely made me not take her story seriously.
Anonymous No.718617639 >>718617672
>>718617032
How broken of a human being do you need to be to hate Karlach?
Anonymous No.718617662 >>718617758
>>718617552
If you were planning on playing the tough guy with me, maybe you should have thought ahead. Instead, you allowed yourself to be consumed by my cock so now your word means nothing. But I guess, you couldn't really help yourself, huh?
Anonymous No.718617672
>>718617639
I don't hate karlach because karlach isn't even a character
Anonymous No.718617690 >>718617820
>>718617434
>conveniently picks the one NPC that has plot armor
Very clever, too bad that it doesn't apply to the rest of them, and after clearing Irenicus' lab Imoen disappears and you can never recruit her again if you don't want to
And this is ignoring the fact that she can die in BG1
Anonymous No.718617695 >>718617807 >>718617860
>>718617032
It's incredibly ironic since one of the big changes from early access came because everyone thought the characters all acted too much like a bunch of cunts.
Anonymous No.718617707
>>718617425
it's just a couple of nostalgiachuds, don't think too hard about it
Anonymous No.718617758 >>718618091
>>718617662
I'm sorry it seems you mistook me calling you a dysgenic that should be gassed as me hitting on you
Anonymous No.718617783 >>718618078
>>718617494
>>I was bullied for being based!
I never said I was bullied, learn to read fuckwit. You remind me of one of the retards that I beat up and then saw them posting shit online.
Anonymous No.718617807
>>718617695
Where's the irony though? I really doubt anyone itt is their paypig.
Anonymous No.718617820 >>718618047 >>718618341
>>718617690
Point me to the dialog choice or cutscene where I directly get to kill Minsc.

Is that better? What's the cope this time?
Anonymous No.718617842
>>718617628
It's from the Imoen romance mod and a quick look at the archives tells me this isn't the first time he posts that, he's a Larianfag mad
Anonymous No.718617850 >>718618160
>>718617425

Can you point out what he said that’s wrong? He’s generally correct. It would’ve been extremely out of place for a woman to wear men’s clothing, like pants, during that time period. You might see a peasant girl or some lower class tavern slut swearing and getting drunk with men, but it would’ve been very uncharacteristic for a noblewoman to do that.
Anonymous No.718617860 >>718617995 >>718618653
>>718617695
There's a mod that significantly reduces everyone's starting opinion of your character instead of starting out being friendly, and it really improves the game and the characters. For example, most people don't realize that Shadowheart is a fucking bitch because they never see her low-opinion dialogue and Lae'Zel is the best character in the game.
Anonymous No.718617928
>>718616853
Did you try the next tactics? I heard good things and bad things.
Anonymous No.718617979 >>718618218
>>718602917
Being chosen by a deity on Golarion does not mean all that much
>>718606154
At least Seelah is acknowledged as being from another country where black people live, she is an outsider in Avistan
Anonymous No.718617995 >>718618129 >>718618653
>>718617860
THIS was one of my major complaints about the game. Everyone just likes you straight away and unless you go full hitler mode and start gassing people on sight, it's very hard to make anyone dislike you.
It was especially jarring when they all then start hitting on you as well.
Anonymous No.718618047
>>718617820
>doubling down
You can attack anyone you want, just accept that you're wrong, the original BGs didn't force you to use anyone outside of Imoen in the lab
Anonymous No.718618078
>>718617783
>Bullied
>Melts down
Type moar faggot, LOL
Anonymous No.718618091
>>718617758
Uh huh. Except one little thing besides your penis that is, nobody who gets so mad about "muh gaaaaaayyyyzzzzeeee" is striaght. Especially when they spend the rest of the time getting angry about people having vaginas. Every time it turns out you people are hiring little boy prostitutes in hotels. You are not clever, you are not slick, and everyone knows what you really are.
Anonymous No.718618129 >>718618296
>>718617995
Seems a lot of people forget all the companions were massive snarky libtard dickheads in the early access, even more than the release version

Basically the last 3 years of development time went to completely rewriting as much as the could
Anonymous No.718618142 >>718618262 >>718618267 >>718618364
>>718601050
Yeah this.
Baldur's Gate 2 writing is highschool fanfic tier, its reddit before reddit was even born.

This is what they consider badass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk0sOGVSAP4

LOL absolutely cringe, this is what 16 years old think is deep dialogue and "le badass"
Anonymous No.718618160 >>718618230 >>718618348 >>718618391
>>718617472
>jeet hands typed this
>>718617552
Nigger but you are a /pol/tard and all /pol/ Anons are retarded mouthbreathers. Usually jeets.
>>718617850
Why would I waste my time on a /pol/tard? Retard is going to reply about some muh leftie cope and that will be it.
Anonymous No.718618218
>>718617979
>she is an outsider in Avistan
Why make her wear generic armor then? Just dress her Saladin-style if she's from another culture, it would look cool and memorable. It's just that we both know she isn't, she's exact same culture that anyone else in the game is - Californian. And her cosplay is some kind of political propaganda and not a genuine artistic vision.
Anonymous No.718618230 >>718618479
>>718618160
I've never once seen an intelligent person complain about pol. Is that because you're all brown faggots?
Anonymous No.718618262
>>718618142
>LOL absolutely cringe, this is what 16 years old think is deep dialogue and "le badass"
This anon creams himself whenever he sees Regill talks
Anonymous No.718618267
>>718618142
>You will Suffer...You will all Suffer!
Anonymous No.718618296 >>718618378
>>718618129
>libtard
Tell me you haven't played early access without telling me you haven't played early access. All of them were better back then, now it's just a dickriding snarky-but-not-really carousel.
Anonymous No.718618325 >>718621546
>>718616729
My point was that I want to play in fantasy worlds similar to the works of fiction I posted (Conan, LOTR, Fahferd + Grey Mauser, etc.) That feel more grounded and dark than modern DEI fanasy... those old stories feel like adventures in medeival times with magic... modern games don't feel like that anymore. They feel like Marvel movies that just happen to have a medeival set dressing.

I don't know a lot about medieval history and I'm not trying to get in an autistic argument about how often Saxon peasants would curse in the 5th century. But it's definitely true that women had no rights in medeival times and it was considered completely unseemely for a woman to curse at all. There are tons of interesting stories that could be told about women's experience in a fantasy medeival setting... but modern games ignore all that for an idealized world where men and women are 100% equal, completely ignoring a treasure trove of dramatic storytelling fuel and a fascinating look at our own past.

I'll just assume Robert E. Howard's research was done well and accept his visions of a fantastic Hyperborea as the target for my visions of ancient history + magic.
Anonymous No.718618341
>>718617820
not only you can kill every companion you can also leave Minsc locked in cage in starting dungeon
Anonymous No.718618345 >>718618468
>>718617102
>medeival Europe
Oh so shit that's entirely irrelevant to D&D then
Anonymous No.718618348
>>718618160
Welcome to 4chan, you are outnumberd and outgunned. You are fucking nothing to us, you are Anonymous, you are nobody. Get used to it or fuck off, but to be honest I don't think you'll last long around these parts. You just don't have what it takes if you ask us. This is the last remaining right wing sanctuary on the internet, the only bastion of free thought still standing. You can show some fucking respect or you can be on your way. You know what to do fool.
Anonymous No.718618364 >>718618440 >>718618512 >>718618897
>>718618142
My god this game looks so fucking UGLY
Anonymous No.718618378 >>718618567 >>718618653
>>718618296
Yeah the companions were so good in early access they fired the writers and brought in the rainbow crew to smooth it over
Anonymous No.718618382 >>718618998 >>718619085
>>718599067 (OP)
Are you pretending bg1 and 2 had memorable companions bar misnc and imoen?
Anonymous No.718618391
>>718618160

>muh /pol/tards

Nigger the whole internet is racist now, /pol/ hasn’t been a fringe containment zone since 2015
Anonymous No.718618440
>>718618364
no it doesn't
Anonymous No.718618468 >>718618543 >>718619083
>>718618345
D&D is European fantasy, shitnuts.
Anonymous No.718618479 >>718618614
>>718618230
No wonder you haven't seen anybody complain about /pol/tards if you don't leave your containment board. You should go back.
Also being from /pol/ and calling other boards brown is really fucking ironic. Maybe go to /his/ if you want to see some real white people.
Anonymous No.718618512
>>718618364
>AAAAAA WHERE ARE THE FULLY MODELED PENISES I CAN'T FAP TO THIS
Anonymous No.718618543
>>718618468
It mostly uses culture of black people though.
Anonymous No.718618567
>>718618378
>has to invent fanfiction to "prove" xis point
rumao
Anonymous No.718618614 >>718618679 >>718618707
>>718618479
I'm one of the main posters on his you retarded nigger. What race are you from so I can tell you how much of a failure they are
Anonymous No.718618653 >>718618829 >>718618880
>>718617860
>>718617995
>>718618378
The common criticism was that all companions save Gale were very unlikable and off-putting
Anonymous No.718618675
this thread really triggered larian and owlkiddies kek
Anonymous No.718618679 >>718618710
>>718618614
I guarantee I'm whiter than you Paco.
Anonymous No.718618707
>>718618614
>I'M THE MAIN CHARACTER PLEASE BELIEVE ME
>WHAT RACE ARE YOU "FROM"
Yeah definitely a jeet or a SEAnigger.
Anonymous No.718618710
>>718618679
I can guarantee you you're an idiot
Anonymous No.718618763
>>718614853
>VTMB is one of the best written games ever

lol
Anonymous No.718618829 >>718618969 >>718618994
>>718618653
I fear to imagine what they were like then, because the characters from BG3 are one of the most off-putting party members I've ever seen in a video game, and there's no exception or saving DLC like it was with Kingmaker, for example.
Anonymous No.718618880 >>718618950 >>718619023
>>718618653
I heard the opposite
Gale (along with Wyll) were the most disliked characters, and Gale in particular came off as both a shitty mary sue but also a gooner/pervert.

Most people didn't have any problems with most of the other characters.
Anonymous No.718618897 >>718619003
>>718618364
Yeah and its not even an age related thing, Icewind Dale came just a year after and mogs it to oblivion and back.
Bioware make the ugliest looking games ever, all their games age within 2 years visually and start to look like diarrhea
Anonymous No.718618950 >>718619218
>>718618880
Gale's romance was bugged at first and that's why he started trying to fuck the player immediately.
Anonymous No.718618969
>>718618829
They were better.
Anonymous No.718618994 >>718619168
>>718618829
Imagine companions so shit that your early access goes virtually unplayed for 3 years and you pretend it was a huge success because you conned people into impulse buying it
Anonymous No.718618998 >>718619103 >>718619125 >>718619183 >>718619326
>>718618382
>Xzar
>Viconia
>Edwin
>Jaheira
>Khalid
>Quayle
>Tiax
>Safana
>Brave Brave Sir Garrick
>Aerie
>Jan Jansen
>Anomen
>Yoshimo
>Haer DeLis
>Keldorn
>Vin Diesel
>Sarevok
All better than any character in BG3. Now go play the games.
Anonymous No.718619003
>>718618897
Looks exactly like BG, considering your nonstop seething in this thread I think you just have a Bioware hate boner
Anonymous No.718619023 >>718619218
>>718618880
I didn't even play that shit, and even I know that Gale meme was a bug and had nothing to do with the actual character and his behavior.
Anonymous No.718619083
>>718618468
>D&D is European
Stop talking, you're done.
Anonymous No.718619085
>>718618382
Are you pretending that they don't?
Anonymous No.718619103 >>718619153
>>718618998

>Khalid

Lmao ok. You nostalgia fags are too much.
Anonymous No.718619108 >>718619463
>>718602586
Rogue Trader and Pathfinder companions are all high quality and well written.
BG2 companions are all shallow caricature with zero personality
Anonymous No.718619125 >>718619172 >>718619282
>>718618998
>better
>not a single thread discussing any of them ever
Nobody gives a single solitary fuck about any of the characters you mentioned
No one
Anonymous No.718619153 >>718619190 >>718619241
>>718619103
>>Khalid
Yes. Better than any BG3 character.
Anonymous No.718619168
>>718618994
Now this is pure fanfiction. Only redditors couldn't stand them, because they would actually disagree with various retarded choices you could make.
Anonymous No.718619172
>>718619125
>He makes threads
Awh little loser need attention?
Anonymous No.718619183
>>718618998
I did. They're not memorable even compared to peers like planescape or arcanum. In fact I only recognise 3 names there. Meanwhile i'd recognise every companions from bg3, even the non-character wyll.
Anonymous No.718619190 >>718619261 >>718619453 >>718619538
>>718619153

He barely has any lines. You’re full of shit.
Anonymous No.718619218 >>718619573 >>718619925 >>718620202
>>718619023
>>718618950
I know.
But that's what he became known for.
And his 'uuuh i fucked the goddess of magic lol but i can only cast level 1 spells lol btw i have a magic nuke inside me' shit is far worse and easily makes him the worst character in the game by miles.
Anonymous No.718619241
>>718619153
>has a flaw
>isn't an insufferable cunt about it
>doesn't magically turn this flaw into a virtue by the end of the journey
Lost craft for modern "writers", lol.
Anonymous No.718619261
>>718619190
>A good character needs 30 lines of dialogue about being an anti natalist and whore
Anonymous No.718619282 >>718619520
>>718619125
>>not a single thread
Oh we now doing the zoomer thing of "I don't see tik tok content of this thing so it must be bad" now? Come back when you have real arguments.
Anonymous No.718619297
>>718599067 (OP)
Becuase Companions should not be the focus in CRPGs. Gameplay, RPG mechanics, World building, Quest Design, and branching decisions/factions/player agency, should be waaaaay higher on the priority list.

I hate that Bioshitter RPGs that focus on companions like Baldurs Gate, DA, Mass Effect, etc became the copy paste template for all modern indie and AA CRPGs. The genre has become so incredibly bland.
Anonymous No.718619326 >>718619480 >>718619694
>>718618998
You're so deluded it's crazy.
Name a single interesting about Jaheira. Go on. Or Aerie.

How mentally ill do you have to be to post what you just posted unironically?
Anonymous No.718619446 >>718620301
I have never seen a single post on /v/ presenting a valid argument of why Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn is good.
Anonymous No.718619453
>>718619190
>dude this guy doesn't even have 50 pages of dialogue on what type of wine he likes or has a unique reaction to doing a speedrunner sequence break while naked and wearing facepaint while at low influence with NPC536
Anonymous No.718619463
>>718619108
So true
Anonymous No.718619468
Nothing comes close to epic BG2 mage battles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFZcc567ADg
turn based makes fights with more than 5 enemies absolute slog to play and BG2 RTWP is a superior system
Anonymous No.718619480 >>718619570 >>718619598 >>718619671
>>718619326
>Generic good character connected to a generic good factions
>Wow so boring where's the anal prolapse
Anonymous No.718619520 >>718619623 >>718619759 >>718619950 >>718619985
>>718619282
I would make an argument, but there's not even anything to argue about because the characters are little more than fucking bobbleheads that spit out the same 5 voice lines as you click around.

Jaheira's entire character is 'i have a husband'. That's it. She has like 20 lines total in the game.
You are fucking retarded.
Anonymous No.718619538
>>718619190
>barely has any lines
>still better than larianslop characters
grim
Anonymous No.718619570 >>718619612
>>718619480
>generic characters
>generic characters, but old
Anonymous No.718619573 >>718619774 >>718619925
>>718619218
He saved me from playing BG3, I was playing with my friends because those fucks are allergic to good games, and one of us killed Gale. I was mad and managed to make everyone just as mad after we got the obligatory game over. Don't know which imbecile Larian entrusted with writing that character, but by God he's something!
Anonymous No.718619598
>>718619480
So, can't name a single interesting thing?
Fucking grim. Just close the thread at this point, holy fuck.
Anonymous No.718619612 >>718619672
>>718619570
>Generic is bad
This is why people pretend to be gay.
Anonymous No.718619623
>>718619520
>Jaheira's entire character is 'i have a husband'
What's your favorite Owlcat and/or Larian companion?
Anonymous No.718619671 >>718619842
>>718619480
>name a single interesting thing about this character
>uum, they're generic and good
you cannot make this shit up
Anonymous No.718619672
>>718619612
I just find the double standard pretty funny.
Anonymous No.718619694 >>718619785 >>718619853 >>718619883
>>718619326
>Name a single interesting about Jaheira
Well for starters how about how she has a huge moral dilemma over aiding someone seemingly destined to be evil? Or the fact that seemingly all her companions are dying and she's forced to turn on even more old friends?
Anonymous No.718619741 >>718620336
Can reading books make you better at writing characters?
Anonymous No.718619747 >>718619825 >>718620530
List of RPGs with better characters than Baldur's Gate 2

>Planescape
>Dragon Age Origins
>Mass Effect series
>The Witcher series
>Baldur's Gate 3
>Shadowrun Dragonfall
>Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous
>Divinity Original Sin 2
>Warhammer Rogue Trader
>Final Fantasy 7
>Final Fantasy X
>Final Fantasy 9
>Dragon Quest 5
>Cyberpunk 2077
>Clair Obscur Expedition 33
>Persona 4
>Xenoblade Chronicles 2
>Trails in the Sky
Anonymous No.718619750 >>718620452
Jaheira telling the Harpers to fuck off so she can support you is more meaningful than anything in BG3 desu
Anonymous No.718619759
>>718619520
>Jaheira's entire character is 'i have a husband'.
Good job buddy you played half an hour of BG1, that's gotta be a zoomer record.
Anonymous No.718619774
>>718619573
He is the one character I cannot defend at all (not that I'd want to)
Literally the type of shit some D&D newbie shows up with at the first session as his first character, hands the sheet to the DM, and the DM promptly tells him to fuck off.
Anonymous No.718619785 >>718619894
>>718619694
And the similar dilemmas in BG3 are bad because...?
Anonymous No.718619825
>>718619747
Seethe.
Anonymous No.718619842 >>718619995
>>718619671
>A generic lawful good character is bad because she isn't evil
Are you aware of what setting these games take place in
Anonymous No.718619853 >>718619987
>>718619694
>huge moral dilemma
When does she even say or even suggest this?
Anonymous No.718619882 >>718619983 >>718619993 >>718620143
Creatives are universally unlikeable. That's why AI is such a huge boon for gaming. Get rid of all the useless retards and go back to having a handful of 140 IQ incel chads making games.
Anonymous No.718619883
>>718619694
Wow she's just as interesting as Wyll!
Anyway, all Mass Effect and DA companions, yes even Jacob, mog the "best" BG companions.
Anonymous No.718619894
>>718619785
Because the characters are stupid and not believable.
Anonymous No.718619925 >>718620089
>>718619218
>>718619573
I wish more Anons met him at launch. The most poorly written character ever written. Just bizarrely bad what the fuck behavior.
He was a bipolar junkie loser who switched between agressive fag creep who didnt get the messsge to fuck off, to suicidal depressive. He made you feel like you had to pity fuck him or he would kill himself.
Just awful writing.
Anonymous No.718619932
>>718602615
better than the sassy faggot vampire and the "muscle mommy" dyke demon
Anonymous No.718619938 >>718620004
>>718599067 (OP)
regil was great
a perfect lawful neutral character that is lawful evil for some reason
Anonymous No.718619950
>>718619520
>Jaheira's entire character is 'i have a husband'.

lol nice of you to expose yourself to have never played the game
Anonymous No.718619983
>>718619882
>AI AI AI AI
Okay jeet thread for fucking SURE. It really explains all the braindead takes.
Anonymous No.718619985
>>718619520
>Jaheira's entire character is 'i have a husband'
I think I can see why seeing a happy relationship between a man and a woman would make a modern writer so mad xhe stops playing after that.
Anonymous No.718619987
>>718619853
Play BG2 and you'll find out.
Anonymous No.718619993
>>718619882
Rather all the "creative" people in the modern industry are D tier losers that chased all the actual talent out so they could collect a paycheck
Anonymous No.718619995 >>718620098 >>718620101
>>718619842
You're retarded, stop posting.
You embarassed all the other retards by conceding that even you know the characters are fucking generic bobbleheads no one gives a shit about. Literal Starfield tier slop.
Anonymous No.718620004
>>718619938
>immediately goes to HELL to train their armies if he becomes a god
"yeah bro totally lawful neutral"
Regillfags are waifufag tier of stupid
Anonymous No.718620089 >>718621004
>>718619925
Honestly, that at least sounds mildly entertaining, even if hilariously bad.
Current Gale is just a nerdy weirdo nobody cares about.
Anonymous No.718620098
>>718619995
>Generic is bad
>I'm going to self inserts my sexual undevelopment into this character
>WHOA that's a good character
Yawn
Anonymous No.718620101 >>718620178
>>718619995
>no one gives a shit about
BG2 companions are still to this day very popular, Viconia is singlehandedly the reason why so many rpgs have a token evil girl you can fix by romancing her
Anonymous No.718620143
>>718619882
creatives have to suffer to be successful. Outside of a select few, as soon as they are given attention, recogition and accolades their ability to create is destroyed. Creatives must work from a place of misery and striving or they make garbage.
Anonymous No.718620178 >>718620587
>>718620101
Nobody fucking knows who Viconia is, anon.
Anonymous No.718620180 >>718620267
I wonder what's the reason for there not being any worthwhile right-wing media...
>inb4 le industry is oppressing them
Anonymous No.718620202 >>718620332
>>718619218
> but i can only cast level 1 spells lol
To be fair that is explained in the game. Both he and Wyll mention they used to be capable of more high level spells but the tadpole nerfed everyone to level 1.
Anonymous No.718620204
>>718612029
you are such an unbelievable faggot its unreal. like a reverse bg3 writer
Anonymous No.718620267 >>718620450
>>718620180
Because only a pathetic attention starved daddy issues faggot would take over a media platform to write about how much they hate their dad and normal people
Anonymous No.718620293
Voice acting is a huge culprit. Instead of text you read through in a fraction of a second you are listening to bullshit for 10x as long.
Fallout 4 was actually great in this regard, the companions had a variety of accents and you choose which you want around.
Most games force them all on you so you are guaranteed to hear at least one you find annoying and can't get rid of.
One of the myriad of reasons Dragon Quest XI is the worst in the series.
Anonymous No.718620301 >>718620446 >>718620563 >>718621907
>>718619446
You can instantly know if the game is shit from its fanboys.
If the fanboys argument boils down to "my game is better than this game" then you know the fan is insecure the his game is shit

Baldur's Gate 2 fans perfectly fit in that description, they want you to play their favorite game but the way they sell you on it is very telling that its a bait into a mediocre overrated game.
Anonymous No.718620332 >>718620763
>>718620202
I know, but it's a shitty contrivance for the sake of plot

Much the same as a player writing a character for a D&D game that has 'saved the world 3 times before and fucked all the women' in their backstory.
Anonymous No.718620336
>>718619741
Nah, that's how the anime/manga industry became inbred. The writer needs to know something the other people don't, be willing to share it with them - and then it's up to his skill to convey this information to the potential reader and either be heard or ignored. Or misunderstood, etc.
Anonymous No.718620446
>>718620301
Nobody cares if you play bg2. Go be a faggot somewhere else
Anonymous No.718620450 >>718620756
>>718620267
Now this is the funniest cope I've read all day. Kinda telling how this is the height of your creativity and the only reason you consider for making something.
Anonymous No.718620452
>>718619750
The whole questline was really sweet, from many perspectives.
Anonymous No.718620483
>>718603171
Its funny how they even placed Tomi right at the door of the first chapter while all the others are shoved in the tavern
Anonymous No.718620530
>>718619747
>Planescape
>The Witcher series
>Baldur's Gate 3
>Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous
>Warhammer Rogue Trader
>Final Fantasy 7
>Final Fantasy 9
>Clair Obscur Expedition 33
Yes
>Divinity Original Sin 2
>Mass Effect series
>Cyberpunk 2077
>Warhammer Rogue Trader
>Final Fantasy X
No
>>Xenoblade Chronicles 2
WTF, no!

This is the kind of shit retards sperg over though its a high effort list that leads to good conversation. That said I have to sperg over Xenoblade Chronicles 2. How and why?!
Anonymous No.718620563
>>718620301
This is also how I judge games before I play them. The moment I see people commonly going 'this game is so much better than X' to any degree of frequency, it tells me two things immediately:

The game probably ISN'T better than X at all
and
The game probably sucks ass
Anonymous No.718620587 >>718620890
>>718620178
Do you think BG2 is some kind of niche game no one has ever played or what? Before Larian came in, BG1 and 2 were both the most popular CRPGs ever made, except for perhaps DA (which was made by the same people as an spiritual successor)
I get that you hate the game, your meltdown made it very clear, but trying to pretend the games or it's characters aren't popular is just retarded
Anonymous No.718620620
>>718600786
>>718602797
lol he got exposed as someone who didnt play the game.
Anonymous No.718620709
>>718599067 (OP)
>WotR
Wizards of the Racebaiting?
Anonymous No.718620756
>>718620450
>the best thing I read all day is about how faggots can only write about their daddy issues
okay? thanks
Anonymous No.718620763
>>718620332
What always gets me is people who make an elf character who’s centuries old or something, yet they’re still level 1 at the start of the adventure.
Like were they fucking slacking off for 200 years doing fuck all? How does that make sense?
Anonymous No.718620890 >>718620976 >>718621152 >>718621431 >>718622734
>>718620587
>Do you think BG2 is some kind of niche game no one has ever played or what?

No. I think it's characters are generic and forgettable and almost no one remembers them fondly except autists who still pretend the games were anything but mediocre.

People BARELY remember the game, they certainly don't remember the shit-tier companions in it.
Are you deluded enough to think if you went on Steam and asked if people know who Viconia is, 90% of them wouldn't say no?
These games came out over 20 fucking years ago, anon. I'm older than most people in this fucking thread and I BARELY remember those times.
Anonymous No.718620909 >>718621017
>>718602586
What the FUCK is this?

And i thought The Outer Worlds was bad...
Anonymous No.718620976 >>718621120
>>718620890
>companions need to be hyper memorable with excellent waves of character development and you need to have your life changed after having played the game
name a single game
Anonymous No.718621004
>>718620089
Haga true. Still though, the game made me feel bad for women.
Anonymous No.718621016 >>718621590 >>718623619
>>718604269
BG3's Viconia is just an abomination
Anonymous No.718621017 >>718621320
>>718620909
Reminder that one of the first magical items you find in BG1 is a literal sex change belt.
Anonymous No.718621120 >>718621272
>>718620976
>uuuummm other characters are shit too!!
Almost as sad as the other anon that just outright admitted BG1/2 characters are generic.
Come on now.
Anonymous No.718621152 >>718621372
>>718620890
You're fucking delusional holy shit
>Are you deluded enough to think if you went on Steam and asked if people know who Viconia is, 90% of them wouldn't say no?
Assuming you asked in a crpg thread, yes, most people would know who she is
>These games came out over 20 fucking years ago
>I'm older than most people in this fucking thread and I BARELY remember those times
Going senile then? Explains why you have such poor memory
Anonymous No.718621272 >>718621523
>>718621120
>come into BG2 thread
>most people: BG3 companios are overdone garbage made by fags just get back to basics
>you: man BG2 companios are generic, I need my life changed by the writing if I'm to paly a game
>examples?
>0
lmao, have fun killing yourself faggot
Anonymous No.718621320 >>718621385 >>718621396 >>718621472
>>718621017
It was a good joke.
>nobody has the Lore to identify it at a glance
>wizard probably doesn't have Identify memorized
>your dumb ass equips a mysterious cursed belt and turns in to a tranny
>you learn a lesson to not equip random unindentified magical gear
it would've been even more effective if cursed gear was more common. after the girdle of masculinity/femininity the only kind of cursed magic gear you'll ever find is something like a rare cursed ring that reduces a stat to 3
Anonymous No.718621372 >>718621623
>>718621152
>assuming you ask in (specific place full of people who would know about specific thing)
I rest my case. I said the entirety of Steam, not a fucking CRPG thread. Nobody knows who the fuck Viconia is.

And better yet, the select few who still do, at least half of them know absolutely nothing about her other 'oh yeah she's some evil drow chick'
Absolutely riveting.
Anonymous No.718621385
>>718621320
there's also the cursed gloves and cursed weapons, and of course "trap" potions and scrolls
Anonymous No.718621396 >>718621527 >>718621773
>>718621320
It's not a joke, it's literally an item that enables troons to roleplay and live out their fantasies
Anonymous No.718621431 >>718621590 >>718621661
>>718620890
BG2 spawned copycats even 15 years after its release. Not only Pathfinder and Pillars of Eternity, even BG3 wouldn’t exist without BG2. It’s amazing that you can launch a 25 year old game and see how much was taken from it, how much it had already figured out and how often others straight up copied it.
Anonymous No.718621472 >>718621537
>>718621320
Oooh, so it's a joke in BG1, but the insinuated bear sex in BG3, totally serious and a furry dog-whistle, I see.
Anonymous No.718621523 >>718621612
>>718621272
>overdone garbage
>overdone garbage, but old
Anonymous No.718621527 >>718621657
>>718621396
It is a joke.
And trannies don't want to be women, they want to be men who are treated as if they were women. Hence terms such as trans"""woman""".
Anonymous No.718621537 >>718621737 >>718621750
>>718621472
did you know BG3 was written by people that would be committed to a mental asylum in the past?
Anonymous No.718621542
>>718617631
that's why I accuse her of having a personality of social media whores and hate her. She's always acting like she is aware there is a fucking camera on her.
Anonymous No.718621546
>>718618325
Then simply say such and don't bring actual history into this discussion
Lord knows the modern internet already makes my job hard enough, with every Neanderthal thinking they've got the gist of "how it really was" without having picked up a single primary source in their fucking life
>it's definitely true that women had no rights in medeival times and it was considered completely unseemely for a woman to curse at all
It is not definitely true, and it's such a retardedly broad statement I won't even waste my time trying to debunk it; it's the kinda statement that would get you laughed out of any serious academical discussion, but here on the internet you can spout whatever shit you want and still get called hecking basederino so at least your ego isn't hurt
>Robert E. Howard
I rest my case, I can only pity you
Anonymous No.718621590
>>718621016
"elf"
>>718621431
Now imagine they wouldn't've cut 70% of the game before release. Really a shame that suits and women ruined vidya.
Anonymous No.718621612 >>718621758
>>718621523
>I only play overdone garbage
>where's my overdone garbage
man you esl brown faggots really should lurk more
Anonymous No.718621623 >>718621671
>>718621372
>noooo if the games aren't as popular as fucking BG3 then they don't count
BG3 alone is more popular than every CRPG put together, it's on another level. If you paid attention OP mentioned WotR, you think that the 1 million people that bought that game have never played BG2?
Anonymous No.718621657
>>718621527
>they don't want to be women, they just want to be identified as women
right
Anonymous No.718621661 >>718621939
>>718621431
Pathfinder and Pillars both barely succeeded because they maintained the shit, babby tier gameplay of BG1 and 2.

BG3 was actually successful because it actually improved it and made it an actual game with strategy and mechanics, instead of 'uuuh my thac0 is 6!!'.
Anonymous No.718621671
>>718621623
BG3 was written by insane faggots and is nonsensical. What's your point? you're an insane nonsensical faggot?
Anonymous No.718621737 >>718621901
>>718621537
If BG1 released 300 years ago the devs would be lynched for conducting black magic
Anonymous No.718621750
>>718621537
And BG2 is praised by people who would be commited to a mental asylum in the current day.

Your point?
Anonymous No.718621758 >>718621814
>>718621612
Man...You really might be a mouthbreather.
Anonymous No.718621773 >>718622001
>>718621396
>It's not a joke
It's literally a fucking cursed item
You know who else gets cursed? Edwin, and it very much is played off as a joke, as it should be
Anonymous No.718621814 >>718621923
>>718621758
Says the turd worlder that can't even loop together a cohesive argument
Anonymous No.718621901
>>718621737
Anonymous No.718621907
>>718620301
>n-n-n-no ackshually BG2 fans started it and are bullying me!
Cope harder
Anonymous No.718621923 >>718621963
>>718621814
Brother you killed your own argument yourself. I truly pity you since you can't even comprehend how.
Anonymous No.718621939 >>718622334
>>718621661
>BG3 was actually successful
Because it was fully voice acted and had pretty graphics, on top of having good marketing (namely the bear sex meme) and coming out when DnD was growing in popularity
Anonymous No.718621963 >>718622131
>>718621923
No? You're just low IQ. Would you like me to explain how you're low IQ or would you like to sit there and not have an argument?
Anonymous No.718622001 >>718622127
>>718621773
Nope. If the bear sex is serious, all that shit in BG1 is literal direct, undisguised tranny shit.
Can't have it both ways.
Anonymous No.718622051 >>718622106
>no my gachaslop is better!
>NO MINE IS!!
>UHH PROOF?
>"posts shit that applies to the other gachaslop as well"
>UHH ACTUALLY IT'S BAD
CRPGfags really are just like gachasloppers. They even have the same waifu wars over companions.
Anonymous No.718622106
>>718622051
I didn't see this posted once, all I'm seeing are really autistic mentally unwell people trying to get attention
Anonymous No.718622127 >>718622452
>>718622001
>If the bear sex is serious
It's not? Did pic related not make that obvious?
Poor Larianbro, got bullied so much over the bear sex scene that he assumes everyone hates it by default
Anonymous No.718622131 >>718622180
>>718621963
Nigga you probably wouldn't even be able to explain how to breathe properly. Just stop embarrassing yourself.
Anonymous No.718622180 >>718622389
>>718622131
Nigger you need to pick my cotton and stop pretending you know how to read
Anonymous No.718622229 >>718622535
I pick my nigga Korgan over any of the faggy BG3 and WotR companions
Anonymous No.718622259
>>718599067 (OP)
i wouldn't know, i create and customize my companions in every game.
Anonymous No.718622334 >>718622424 >>718622827
>>718621939
BG3 released well after the D&D hype had gone. The height of it was during the initial days of Critical Role (which admittedly, was pretty decent, before, like everything, it became a business and trned into slop)

The Owlcat games also have pretty graphics and voice acting. That is not it.

BG3 succeeded because it had great gameplay and it pandered to 'modern' crowds. It's as simple as that.

I'm not gonna pretend the marketing didn't help, but if you seriously think the bear sex meme had any real impact on sales then you're crazy.
Anonymous No.718622389 >>718622472
>>718622180
Any other thoughts to share with the class? Maybe you will again state how BG3 companions are overdone generic garbage, but BG2 ones are paragons of good writing by the virtue of being overdone generic garbage?
Anonymous No.718622424
>>718622334
>The Owlcat games also have pretty graphics and voice acting
Are you retarded?
Anonymous No.718622452 >>718622864
>>718622127
it's basically all they bring up when bashing bg3
anyone can tell it's literally a shitty joke and nothing more but since they can't find anything else to criticize, they latch onto it and call it the bear sex game
Anonymous No.718622472 >>718622731
>>718622389
I never said that BG3 companions are generic, actually it's the faggot's absolute desire to be anything but normal that makes BG3 companions insufferable
Anonymous No.718622535
>>718622229
who
Anonymous No.718622731 >>718622751
>>718622472
Uh huh, sure buddy.
Anonymous No.718622734 >>718622878 >>718622910
>>718620890
>people don't remember BG2
>that's why one of the earliest BG3 trailers ended with "LOOK GUYS IT'S MINSC HE'S BACK LOOK IT'S MINSC REMEMBER MINSC LOOK WE DID A HUGE ASSPULL BECAUSE WE KNEW WE NEEDED HIM HERE GUYS PLEASE LOOK IT'S MINSC"
Anonymous No.718622751
>>718622731
okay?
Anonymous No.718622827 >>718623065
>>718622334
>The Owlcat games also have pretty graphics and voice acting
Anonymous No.718622864
>>718622452
>Larian goes out of their way to include it despite it not being something anyone ever wanted
>Larian goes out of their way to show it off as a feature before release
>"you're not allowed to talk about it though it's not important or representative of the game at all"
Anonymous No.718622878 >>718622929 >>718623158
>>718622734
Minsc is only rememberd, because his hamster was referenced in a lot of other RPGs. No one could tell you what Minsc was actually about outside of that.
Anonymous No.718622910 >>718623043 >>718623090 >>718623158
>>718622734
Do you also remember during that live trailer, when they got absolute fucking crickets at the Minsc reveal because nobody in the fucking audience even played BG1/2?
Anonymous No.718622929
>>718622878
maybe they should play the games first before pretending to be familiar with the characters
Anonymous No.718622961 >>718623148
>>718599067 (OP)
I've been playing Rogue Trader recently and the companions are all pretty decent.
I agree about BG3, none of them were likeable at all, Shadowheart only gets a pass because she was hot.
Anonymous No.718623043 >>718623206
>>718622910
>the playerbase for BG3 are complete normalfags who don't even know what a CRPG is
Well at least you're honest
Anonymous No.718623065 >>718623234 >>718623235
>>718622827
They do?
Are you one of those apes that thinks everything that isn't a close-up mocap cinematic cutscene isn't good graphics?

I'd even argue that the big moments in WoTR are better than the ones in BG3, audiovisually. Like Iomedae appearing or fighting Baphomet.
Anonymous No.718623090 >>718623206
>>718622910
>the target audience of dollar store wearing horn tiefling cosplayers were actually just hired posers that think videogames are for icky incels
great, the perfect people to design and give feedback on my videogames
Anonymous No.718623148 >>718623208 >>718623319
>>718622961
>Manjaw shadowheart
>hot
the only attractive companion in BG3 is minthara
Anonymous No.718623158 >>718623445
>>718622878
>>718622910
>>>>that's why one of the earliest BG3 trailers ended with "LOOK GUYS IT'S MINSC HE'S BACK LOOK IT'S MINSC REMEMBER MINSC LOOK WE DID A HUGE ASSPULL BECAUSE WE KNEW WE NEEDED HIM HERE GUYS PLEASE LOOK IT'S MINSC"
Anonymous No.718623206 >>718623269 >>718623301 >>718623320
>>718623090
>>718623043
I mean, you argued that people remembered them
I pointed out that they clearly didn't

And now you're going
>well uh it doesn't matter because they're not even TRUE crpg players!!
Anonymous No.718623208
>>718623148
>minthara
>not manjaw
Anonymous No.718623234 >>718623457
>>718623065
>everything that isn't a close-up mocap cinematic cutscene isn't good graphics?
No, but WotR doesn't have good graphics, BG3's are better, and yes, close up cinematics matter a lot for normalfags and Owlcat games don't have that (not until the Expanse is out... and that game already has more hype than every other Owlcat game, curious huh?)
Their games are also not fully voice acted, unlike BG3
Anonymous No.718623235
>>718623065
WOTR looks fine for what it is. It's not what I would describe as "pretty" that's stretching it a bit
Anonymous No.718623260 >>718623393 >>718623432
>Creates a BG2 thread
>All the posts talk about anything but BG2

Even BG2 fags dont like their game
Anonymous No.718623269
>>718623206
>the hired cosplayers that larian hired to pretend to care about the game didn't know who any of the characters were
wow that's a huge reveal
Anonymous No.718623301
>>718623206
we both know you're just waiting for a chance to get my cock in your mouth
Anonymous No.718623319
>>718623148
>doesn't like manjaws
>praises MANthara
Anonymous No.718623320
>>718623206
That wasn't me arguing that, also I'm saying you can't remember something you never experienced in the first place
Anonymous No.718623393 >>718623502
>>718623260
The OP mentioned BG3 and WotR in case you didn't notice
Anonymous No.718623432
>>718623260
>BG2 thread
>"I recently played BG3 and WotR"
cope harder
Anonymous No.718623445 >>718623708
>>718623158
Nigger we are arguing if BG2 characters had good writing. You could fucking say that Jacob also is a godly character because people remember him for how fucking shit he was.
Anonymous No.718623457 >>718623686
>>718623234
>(not until the Expanse is out... and that game already has more hype than every other Owlcat game, curious huh?)
citation needed
I haven't heard a PEEP about this game ever since the reveal trailer and that was a whole year ago
Anonymous No.718623502 >>718623580 >>718623785
>>718623393
Yeah, people talked about them, but when it comes to BG2 nobody said anything.
Anonymous No.718623521 >>718623642
All this thread is doing is making me want to play BG3 again.

Have those modders made an actual campaign again?
Anonymous No.718623580 >>718623701
>>718623502
Because the people pretending BG3 is even playable never played BG1 or 2

just like the people larian hired to pretend BG3 was good on stream, which is why they had no idea who the characters were
Anonymous No.718623619
>>718621016
Shame on Larian for ruining her.
Anonymous No.718623642 >>718623834
>>718623521
No, the only actual good thing old times had was genuine good mods. New modders are just cosmetic obsessed retards.

At this point im just here waiting for their next game, i hope i will be alive when it releases, im becoming older each year and im starting to feel my body is downgrading.
Anonymous No.718623686
>>718623457
They literally just released a trailer today
https://x.com/OwlcatGames/status/1925597690001301978
https://x.com/OwlcatGames/status/1931446939716911545
Compare the numbers
Anonymous No.718623701 >>718623795 >>718623821
>>718623580
give it up already
bg1 and 2 play like shit
you might be a nostalgia-ridden retard but the rest of us want to actually think and interact with the games we play
Anonymous No.718623708
>>718623445
>"BG2 characters are bad!"
>nope
>"w-w-well nobody remembers them!"
>nope
>"um why are you moving the goalposts? are you saying that Jacob is good because people remember him?"
Anonymous No.718623785 >>718623898
>>718623502
read the thread retard there was plenty of BG2 talk, not my fault at the bump limit some deranged BG3 retard spams posts
Anonymous No.718623795 >>718624194
>>718623701
What do you mean "play"? Do you mean sitting on your couch in your underwear watching your dating sim cutscenes with self insert faggot characters?
Anonymous No.718623821 >>718624295
>>718623701
>think and interact with the games we play
Anonymous No.718623834
>>718623642
>New modders are just cosmetic obsessed retards.
I legitimately fucking hate this.
What is even the point of all those shitty mods that add 500 clothing items that are just existing meshes layered differently
or nude bodies that again, don't fucking matter because your character is never actually node
Anonymous No.718623898 >>718623986
>>718623785
lol Where?
Anonymous No.718623986 >>718624051
>>718623898
i changed my mind, kill yourself instead
Anonymous No.718624051
>>718623986
Rude
Anonymous No.718624194 >>718624248 >>718624358
>>718623795
I mean things like verticality, environment interactions, out of combat spells, light levels, threat ranges, actual abilities, y'know, all things that BG1 and 2 don't have?

AND I get dating sim cutscenes on top of all that. Just can't stop winning.

You enjoy your... Forests with the same 4 tree textures copied over and over and skeletons for you to click on for 10 minutes as you map out the fog of war and hear the same 5 character barks over and over. Peak gameplay.
Anonymous No.718624248 >>718624423
>>718624194
>verticality
You are mentally ill. You've been solo keeping this mentally ill term alive on this website. It doesn't mean anything
Anonymous No.718624295
>>718623821
it's funny that you link dicerolls when BG1 and 2 don't even have that outside of combat.
almost as if you can't do anything outside of combat.
Anonymous No.718624358 >>718624434
>>718624194
>verticality, environment interactions, out of combat spells, light levels, threat ranges, actual abilities
literally all of these are in the BG trilogy
arguably not verticality but it still applies with the layout of certain maps giving an advantage to ranged characters.
you haven't played the games bro. which is honestly fine, but idk why you're here. just make a bg3 thread and talk about your waifu
Anonymous No.718624420
>>718599067 (OP)
>I recently played BG3 and WotR, honestly I just wanted to leave all those annoying fuckers in camp.
That sounds like a (You) problem.
Meanwhile, everybody is having fun on their 6th playthrough with their friends, family and partners.
Anonymous No.718624423
>>718624248
This is not him bro, this is not the moeblob
Anonymous No.718624434
>>718624358
Don't engage the mentally ill "verticality" schizo, He's been spamming it in souls threads for a 15 years