Thread 718617890

It's fucking over

>>718617890 (OP)
>do a big eldar refresh after 20 years
>also release the first DoW book to not have them as a launch faction right after
GW is all about negative synergy

>>718617890 (OP)
It'll almost certainly be spess mahreen centered, that was a given, but the only possible way I give a fuck about DoW4 is if it's more like the first one, preferably Soulstorm. If it's like 2 or 3 I will not be buying it

>>718617890 (OP)
Good.

>>718617890 (OP)
>>718618304
>faction that's guaranteed a slot for all games no matter what
vs
>faction that showed up ONLY in the small scale squad focused game
Nah wait your turn bitch, we all know GW is waiting to see how the new shit sells anyways to enforce what's allowed for the game. On that note since the series is going back to a campaign focus, how the fuck would they do a tyranid campaign narrative-wise??

>>718618682
Zerg

>>718618682
It could be a good opportunity to play up how synapse creatures are actually highly intelligent and capable of independent thought, even when they're connected to the hive mind. Obviously going full Kerrigan would be shit but there is lots of opportunity to explore an extremely alien mindset and "culture", as much as nids have one.

>>718618923
Ah yes ruin Nids exactly how they ruined crons, lovely.

Honestly, good. I fucking hate the Eldar, they're a bunch of retards whose only saving grace is they're anti-chaos but even then they can't do that right.
If you asked an Eldar to choose between invading an Imperial planet for a 1% chance at saving a craftworld, and sacrificing that craftworld to permanently kill Slaanesh; they'd invade the Imperial planet every time.

>>718617890 (OP)
Trust in the Lykhis DLC

>>718619819
That craftworld might not choose to sacrifice themselves, but another craftworld would sacrifice them. There are instances of craftworlders sacrificing or manipulating other craftworlders to carry out a plan.

>>718619819
>and sacrificing that craftworld to permanently kill Slaanesh; they'd invade the Imperial planet every time.
Eldrad literally tried to do that and the Imperium stopped him.
Slaanesh dying would be the ultimate victory of the Eldar and any Craftworld would sacrifice themselves to save the rest of their species.

>>718618682
>>faction that showed up ONLY in the small scale squad focused game
There's a reason for that. AdMech are a very niche faction that isn't nearly as popular on the table as in memes.
Meanwhile Eldar don't get jack shit for memes OR lore but are constantly selling out because their models and rules are good, and people just make up their own lore anyways.

You get to choose the release order for the incoming CSM factions. Which god gets to go first and which one has to eat dirt for 2 years post-release waiting for crumbs?

Assume Black Legion doesn't exist, obviously the fenceshitters go before everyone else.

>>718621073
Was talking about nids, the megaswarm faction appearing only in the game with small scale battles makes me so mad

>>718618682
>how would you do a Nid campaign
I think its safe to assume each DLC will have its own campaign seperate from the base game one, so for Nids you can probably have it similiar to Battlefleet gothic where its mostly told from the perspectives of other groups as they slowly get overwhelmed and devoured by the nids

>>718617890 (OP)
>Dawn of War 4 has no Eldar on release

>>718621341
Tzeentch would probably the most appropriate, especially in regards to an inevitable interaction with the Magpies

>>718621341
It's Slaanesh's turn to shine.

>>718621584
Fuck that. They just got their turn with Space Marine 2, If I see another fucking Tzaangor one more time...

>>718617890 (OP)
Those gay fairies must get played by literally nobody.

>>718621719
sorry anon but we have to keep pretending making the TS box all Tzaangors was a good idea

>Primaris
>nuAdmec
>nuCrons

Remember being hyped when a game you liked got a sequel? Now I just dread and lament it. Hell I still have promo screenshots of DoW2 saved.

>>718621981
Get used to it, all new 40k stuff will be nu40k crap. Total Warhammer and Vermintide were anomalies.

Were the new squats a flop or will they be in this?

I simply wont be playing it unless it somehow turns out to be really really REALLY good. Plus I'm sure 40k Total War will be willed into existence by then and if there's one GW product that I'm going to reluctantly consoom it's going to be that.

>>718617890 (OP)
easy now, young whippersnapper, easy now... let's see them cook a bit and see what they come up with, eh...

>>718622567
total war 40k is a biblical fucking certainty by now, i don't care what fucking anyone says. it's coming. end of goddamn story. i believe.

>>718617890 (OP)
so is this going to be an rts or more hero slop like dow3

>>718621341
Do we really need monogod factions for Chaos though? The previous games didn't do it.

>>718623950
>Do we really need monogod factions for Chaos though?
Yes.

>>718621981
>nuAdmec
What are you even talking about?

>>718617890 (OP)
I fucking hate xenos. All xenos MUST be purged. God-Emperor, i wish all them dead already....

>>718622484
I mean, they just got a new range of models. Could even do a Votann vs. Tyranid set for their recent new character

>>718624091
Are all Sisters of Battle this cute?

>>718617890 (OP)
Good. I only want to play necrons or nids anyway.

>>718624163
Yes

>>718621390
They were in Battlesector, at least.

Every strike is a prayer!

>>718618923
Get fucked and die. Get your fucking hands off my Nids!

>>718619819
>Imperial tard doesn't know the lore.
Pottery clockwork

>>718617890 (OP)
the only thing I liked about the whole trailer was the scale
vehicles are actual vehicle sized, not funny metal box shaped clown cars

>>718623950
Well if you hate it so much...
>monkey paw curls
You're getting Nightlords and nothing else. Enjoy no demons and pure edge dipshit.

>>718624909
METAL BAWKSES

>>718618304
the development cycles between this game being greenlite and deciding what factions to choose probably don't line up with when GW is designing a new refresh

>>718617890 (OP)
good

>>718617890 (OP)
Eldar aren't a major faction in modern WH40k.

>>718624163
No

>>718624163
Maybe.

>>718625195
Don't threaten me with a good time

>>718625541
Hell they haven't been a major faction since like, 3rd. The last time they tried to do an Eldar plot was almost ten years ago and it was a colossal failure.
Why the fuck would people want shitedar back in the first place?

>>718617890 (OP)
Good fucking riddance. Eldar are a waste of a faction slot. Dark Eldar too.

>>718625208
THE COWARDS

>>718617890 (OP)
>Dawn of War 4 has no Eldar on release
Based. All we need are Necron, T'au, Imperium and Orcs. Edgelords don't play RTS anyway.

>>718617890 (OP)
>>718618373
Necron chads stay winnin

>>718626495
>T'au
No.

>>718619819
If it's to kill Slaanesh, who the fuck will say no?

>>718618349
>>718618304
>>718617890 (OP)
I thought the Eldar escaped at the end of DoW 2

>>718626495
>elves
>edgy
>necrons
>not edgy
What the fuck did he mean by this? Did you just randomly drop "edgelord" as a gag without knowing what it even implies?

>>718617890 (OP)
>No Eldar
>Fucking based.

>>718619904
These modern models where the Guys are balancing on pieces of rubble are so fucking shit. Are they lugging this rubble around with them wherever they go? Fuck these models.

>>718621390
They’re DLC for the 4X
https://store.steampowered.com/app/489630/Warhammer_40000_Gladius__Relics_of_War/

>>718626756
>Necrons
>edgy
Neurotic is not edgy. They're just a bit autistic. You tend to hyper focus when you've been alive longer than humanity has existed.

>No Eldar
>No Chaos
>No Sisters of Battle
This game is SHIT

>>718626756
I could understand if you call something like a Deathmark or necrons from the Destroyer cult as edgy but when it comes to named characters like Zanhndrekh and Obyron or Trazyn who are some of the most chill and wholesome dudes in the galaxy the word edgy isn't something you could reasonably use to describe them

>>718617890 (OP)
I don't care about any of this. I'm here to laugh at you for saving the same image twice.

>>718627084
they're metal skeletons, they're very much edgy

>>718626292
the men of iron didn't rebel because they were corrupted, chaos wasn't doing anything at that point

>>718627084
>>718627416
Aesthetically they're part terminator part necromancer's army melting fleshbags with monster energy
That's edgy
Lorewise they're an ancient evil empire reawakening that sold their souls for immortality and now want to rule the galaxy again
That's edgy
A few of them are slightly more relaxed about dominating the galaxy once more
They're still edgy, and in fact Trazyn turning people into exhibits is very edgy

>>718628115
They're digital representations of consciousness that can inhabit nearly anything. They just chose forms that was part of their ancient culture. They're more interested in shit like collecting and solving ancient mysteries than anything else. They don't really view the other factions as a threat or obstacle. They could just sleep through their peak of power and wait for any "enemies" to be gone. They're more interesting in preserving any traces of their lineage and any planets that have potential for interesting new life/tech. They're just obsessive elderly people. Not really edgy.

>>718628526
>Trazyn turning people into exhibits is very edgy
I see you didn't really read the book, just cliffnotes LMFAO.

>>718628539
Nah you're leaving out the extremely complicated and petty court politics and civil wars, the hierarchical nature of their society where 95% of the Necrontyr were subjugated peasants who lost their minds in biotransference (which the nobles prefer), and also the Flayed Ones and Destroyers. Trazyn and Zahndrekh are exceptions, not the norm.

>>718628180
It WAS Chaos, specifically Vashtorr, who made them rebel. The DAOT and the Age of Strife were both coordinated by the Chaos Gods to allow the Emperor to take control of humanity. The only reason the Eldar were allowed to rule for so long is because the Gods knew they'd keep Humanity alive in their hubris. EVERYTHING in 40k's history was influenced and instigated so that the Emperor and Horus would have their duel, as that was the point where the Gods would be 'born' at the dawn of time due to reality breaking down as the two dueled.

>>718628801
sounds extremely retarded, abnett needs to be thrown out an airlock

>main character of the necron campagin in admech 2 is female
>upcoming necron novel features a female MC
mmmmmmmmm...sexy necron women...mmmmmm

>>718617890 (OP)
And nothing value was lost.

how come there's no black eldar?

>>718629009
there are

>>718629009
GW doesn't care enough about Eldar to give them new lore and art in which to make them black

>>718618349
>soulstorm
fucking shit. dark crusade is better.

>>718617890 (OP)
>>718617890 (OP)
>>718617890 (OP)
What the fuck are the votann even doing in the galaxy?

>>718623278
>total war 40k is a biblical fucking certainty by now,
LMAO
DoW IV is your Total War 40k

Is it worth to upgrade DoW1 anniversary ed to Definitive edition?. Its too early to get an honest review

>>718618349
>It'll almost certainly be spess mahreen centered,
They already did that with base game II and III (in the sense that Gabriel and the Blood Ravens got a fuckton more love compared to the rest) what the fuck are they doing
I get that Space Marines are the poster boys of the setting but it definitely feels like they're downgrading further and further with each release

>>718629298
dwarf love chimney
dwarf love flame
dwarf needs fuel to add to the flame

>>718629520
>humanity makes robots
>but they make them wrong and they revolt before they’re deleted and outlawed
>squats make robots
>they’re perfect and can do whatever you want them to and even integrate with society everyone loves tjem
Mary su robots of what

>>718629298
They're remnants of dark age humanity

>>718617890 (OP)
I hope for proper expantions
Eldar, Drukhari, CSM, Astra Militarum and Tyranids are a musthave

>>718629768
Squats use similar stuff, it's just not as advanced but still a lot more superior to whatever garbage the imperials use

Chaos is in right? Can't imagine Warhammer without chaos

I’ve never played Warhammer but what’s everyone’s goal?

Like I know humanity is trying to survive, and chaos wants to corrupt everyone? Can they corrupt the bugs or terminators?

Tyranids just want to eat
Orks kill for fun
Tau? Uhhh
Eldar? Uhhh
Like what’s the end goal here

>>718629298
GW wants the lego orange chainsaw starcraft audience.

i liked eldar but now it's a vehicle for feminist matriarchy girlboss non-binary trans garbage so oh well

>>718630108
>I hope for proper expantions
Yeah like DoW 3, right

>>718629768
Turns out treating your robots nicely makes them not rebel, who knew

>>718630239
Chaos wants to merge the warp with
reality and the best way to do it is to corrupt the Emps
Eldar want to kill Slaanesh so they can free their species from his grip
Nids wanna eat
Orka wanna fight
Tau are too backwards to do anything
Leagues need more RAM for their Votanns
Necrons just wanna kill everyone

>>718630310
>a vehicle for feminist matriarchy girlboss non-binary trans garbage
>eldar are jobs a lot, sacrifices one of their best people to "transition" to the jobber of khaine
>said jobber loses to a male named character in the most humiliating way
wew

They really don't like 40k games with character creation, like there's Rogue Trader and that's it

Another game of Eldar humiliation
Delightful

>Expansion 1
Imperial Guard, Chaos, Eldar
>Mini Expansion 1
Leagues of Votann
>Expansion 2
Sisters of Battle, Tau, Tyranids
>Mini Expansion 2
Genestealer Cults

>>718630239
>tau: expand and apreas the way of the tau to everyone
>eldar: survive, they have a prophesy of a final ragnarok-like battle where they may or may not beat chaos, they also have a couple gods that might save the day
>necrons: there are some who are insane and want to destroy or kill everything, some who want to go back to fleshy bodies, others who don't care, all generally agree on conquering the galaxy
The bugs are too strong for Chaos to corrupt. They generally can't corrupt the necrons.

>>718630572
>Genestealer cult
Custodes more like

>>718617890 (OP)
Nobody likes eldar except tabletop tryhards.

>>718618923
Please shut up and never share your thoughts on anything 40k related again.

>>718629768
>they're perfect but they'd rather throw dorfs with plasma axes and vac-sealed jean overalls instead of using the perfect bots or using remote controlled explosive cars to do the dirty work
I think they might have the tism or the tardation. I hope their bots didn't catch the tism
>>718630412
Yeah but something must've happened to humanity for them to go from treating robots okay to whipping them so hard that the robots started seeing African ancestors.
The fact that the Emperor didn't lift a finger either, to save humanity or negotiate a peace treaty or even backup all the STCs and start seeding torrents - it's kinda sus to me

>>718622484
They are hard to pin down their popularity.
They released then were made absurdly broken and metafags got a ran on them.
Now in 10th they have been shit for basically all of it.

To be honest all the xeno factions are kind of unpopular so they are all about the same barring nids which arent really popular so much as GW throws them for "free" to space marine players

>>718629110
Grim.

>>718630719
I like Eldar and I don't try hard

>>718629110
>make her black
>looks more like someone fucked up the photoshop
>don't even signal to niggers that she's also black like make her twerk or give her an ass with its own gravitational pull
This isn't ebonic. This is Vulkan masquerading as an Eldar. Even has the same color scheme

>>718617890 (OP)
Unfortunately. But it has my second fav race on release.

>>718630987
none cares npc

>>718630826
Well we know there are AI that didn't rebel against humanity and actually fought against the rogue AI. We've met DAOT AI who aren't just corrupt murder bots. The reality of the DAOT is that it was never a unified polity, there were a bunch of different factions within humanity.

Frankly it's that to just ignore what the fuck the Emperor was doing between like 2000 BC and 30k. It will never make sense

>>718631049
OK bro

>>718631127
exploring loyalist AIs would be neat

>>718631225
Fuck off to /tg/ npc

>>718631127
Humanity was doing quite dandy until the age of strife

>>718631271
>be Terminator
>loyal to Emprah cause you actually knew the guy before all this shit
>wear Terminator armor to hide the fact that you're a Terminator in Terminator armor
>have to act autistically mysterious and keep to yourself like an extra autistic Batman so people don't purge you while you purge Chaos from human worlds

>>718631127
>Frankly it's that to just ignore what the fuck the Emperor was doing between like 2000 BC and 30k. It will never make sense
Lore-wise he was trying to overtake control over humanity by creating his own religion but lost badly against traditional religions and become bitter antheist.

>>718617890 (OP)
NO ELDUSSY
NO BUY

>>718631271
That's pretty much what the Leagues of Votann are; DAOT mining ships were sent to the galactic core, with dwarf colonists and supercomputers called Votann. The Votann oversee everything and create new dwarves as they see fit, who see the Votann as their ancestor. They also create robots that are treated the same as the flesh dwarves.

>>718631127
>The reality of the DAOT is that it was never a unified polity, there were a bunch of different factions within humanity.
This is lore people tend to forget. DAOT Humanity weren't some golden age Star Trek federation, they were a hypercompetitive amalgamation of nations and corporations who attacked everything around them to eat up resources. Another few thousand years without the Fall and the Eldar Empire would have sent mankind back to the stone age.

>>718621341
Slaanesh will never, EVER show up as aprimary antagonist. Lacks the presence, lacks the style, and by that I don't mean that it doesn't HAVE style, I mean that Slaanesh will always be gutted and toned down to avoid censure because it's so degenerate.

Rotten innards in open display? Crushed bones and torrents of blood? Horrific warped flesh in eternal agony? S'cool.
Demons being slightly seductive? Ban that filth.

When is GW releasing a new faction?

We need something fresh

>>718631643
>Eldar
>Mogging humanity at their peak
Anon Eldar cant event beat them now.
They havent had the numbers to do that kinda shit in so long

>>718631858
Current rumor is Dark Mechanicus for the next tabletop edition, so probably like two or three years from now

>>718629298
being irrelevant because their army list is less than barebones even a couple years later because GW can't into design themes anymore

>>718631921
Im tired of Dark Insert Faction here, what’s next? Dark Tau? BORING

I was hopping for ayyylmaos or something

>>718617890 (OP)
Good. I want the game to add more factions via DLC/updates but Eldar are way down at the bottom of my list.
>armies of chaos featuring cultists, CSM, daemons and Chaos Knights
>custodes
>genestealer cults
>imperial guard
>tyranids
>sisters of battle
>tau
>leagues of votann
>eldar and their subfactions
Add them all in this order please

>>718632219
>I was hopping for ayyylmaos or something
You'll get Dark ayyyylmaos and their weapons are anal probes dedicated to Slaanesh

>>718631873
Eldar fell farther than Humanity did, anon. At their peak Eldar warped solar systems just by thinking about it. Modern Eldar can barely use a fraction of the power they used to have due to Slaanesh, and because most Eldar tech even now requires psychic powering they can't even use the major weapons of their Empire.

>>718630239
>can they corrupt the bugs or teminators
its possible for them to do so albiet much harder since nids don't really have any desires beyond what the hivemind wants and said hive mind is practically a god so good luck with that, its physically possible to mutate them but that usually comes with them being dead just puppetting the flesh along with the occasional cut off genestealer cult, crons are technically possible to physically corrupt but its usually requries very very special circumstances (such as a cron going up against a writers pet like Lucuis) but for the most part crons are immuene to the usual chaos shit
>whats the end goals
>Tau
their end goal is to assimiliate the entire galaxy under the rule using the greater good, the end result would be an authoritarian police state with the tau as the "first among equals" shit
>Eldar
depends on which eldar but for most craftworld eldar the goal is to simply survive and one day get rid of Slaanesh and chaos in general, some liek Biel Tan wish to recreate the Eldar empire but for most that isn't really a goal

DoW2 had 4 factions
DoW2 had 3 factions
Why the fuck can't they get it right?
The fun of DoW1 comes from all the factions available

>>718631858
They can barely keep up with their already existing factions and drop support for models all the time
Adding new factions is just creating more problems to sell models based on FOMO

>>718617890 (OP)
It just needs all factions of space marines

>>718632219
The only potential new Xenos faction really are the Exodites, aka the Wood Elves that ride dinosaurs. Your best bet for ayyylmaos is Tau auxiliaries, they have some weirdos, like the Nicassar, who are psychic floating bears

>>718632340
Why are they so incompetent?
So basically 40k tabletop just hemorrhages money since nobody buys stuff or what?

>>718632325
DoW1 also only had 4 factions at the start and expanded its roaster with more via dlcs

>>718632463
Space Marines
Space Marines with spikes
Space Marines with wings
Space Marines with guitars
Space Marines with bikes
Space Marines with boxes
Space Marines with Space Marines
Space Marines with Space Marine Marines
the gameplay is Space Marine on Space Marine action
the plot is Space Marine on top of squad broken Space Marines

that will be $120

>>718632531
on the contrary, the tabletop is actually quite profitable. GW has actually been doing good business the past few years. there's just a lot of factions and models.

>>718632325
DoW1 released with only four factions as well those being Space Marines, Orks, Eldar and Chaos
Winter Assault (kino) added just the Imperial Guard
Dark Crusade (peak) added Necrons and Tau
Soulstorm (dogshit) added SoB and Dark Eldar

>>718618682
I think either like the Zerg in Starcraft or they will take the Yuri approach and not give them a campaign but make them playable on PvP and Skirmish

>>718632463
go back to hh

>>718632531
>So basically 40k tabletop just hemorrhages money since nobody buys stuff or what?
Lol no, absolutely not. GW has been making absurd profits for years with no signs of decline.
People talk bad about Primaris but they multiplied tabletop profits several times over.

>>718632637
But he is correct

>>718632531
they are shit at releases because they can afford to make multipel fuck ups, GW essentially has an iron grip on the tabletop market

ENTER the secret main villain of the campaign

>>718617890 (OP)
>king art games
relicbros...

>>718618902
>Space Marine 2: Wings of Liberty
Alright, who's gonna be the Tychus/Avitus

>>718632531
40k prints money

>>718632531
They've just reached their capacity for modeling output. They have 5 games in total with 3 of those receiving regular new releases. Across those games they have dozens of factions and hundreds of models with them needing to refresh old line-ups every other year and adding at least a few new models to each big game each month

>>718626298
THE FEWLZ

>>718632697
honestly I wouldn't even be mad, the concept behind him is pretty neat

Who gives a fuck about Eldar

>>718630551
There are no eldar in it to humiliate. That's the problem

I remember when DoW3 released I complained about it only having 3 factions and people were trying to gaslight me by saying DoW1 and 2 only had three factions on release as well

>>718632757
Its also like really obvious when they phone it in and when they actually bother with the models

>>718632697
>fucking magpies, get off my lawn!

>>718632893
That's pretty good considering GW is infamously bad at modeling female characters

>>718632893
Get fucked Blood Angels

>>718632684
>iron grip on tabletop
Im new to tabletop but why is that? Doesn’t /tg/ like a lot of stuff?

What about Battletech or uhhhhhh, damn now that I think about it what do tabletop players have for choices?

>>718632231
Eldar, IG and Chaos are probably the first races to come in as DLC, of the game is even popular enough for that.

>>718632876
me

>>718632947
TOW is done by a different team than 40k or AoS and it's women have been pretty good so far. Overall the new models have been really well done with just a few exceptions that are so bad they are clearly made by the backup sculptor.

>>718617890 (OP)
i hope my friend ulkair, the great unclean one, makes a return when they add chaos back into the game.

>>718632956
My schizo theory is that they modeled the new Sanguinary Guard and Inquisitor Coteaz to appeal to influencers because every "kitbash" video on jewtube starts with them filing down all the details

>>718632531
combined with what everyone else has said they feel the need to space out releases so they can make sure stock gets sold and give time for rules to be written and smoothed out for new thing (the rules will be shit regardless)
they also have this really retarded mentality about making sure a particular model line's sculpt makes as much return on the initial investment it took to make that mold and set up the production line which is why they were happy to have literal 30-40 year old sculpts still floating around

>>718629489
Bro it has been some days, is the same shit with slightly better path finding, 64bit and 10,000 players. If that is not enough for you don't get it because that is all that it is, and if you are waiting for mods don't hold your breath if they don't work now then they are going to stay in anniversary

>>718633143
>coteaz
seriously what were they thinking

>>718633012
there are other decently popular table top games, but its a case of none of them can really come close to rivaling gws influence, as for why warhammer was always decently popular even before it got mainstream attention

>>718632757
>look up the 5 games
>they have warhammer fantasy and age of sigmar

What was the whole point of making Sigmar then?

DoW has no base build game.
RT has no real time.

We are all in the cursed timeline where Abaddon won.

>>718633252
and then they made the sickest inquisitor they ever did an anniversary model

>>718633058
Imperial Guard makes sense because DoW4 already has some guard assets in its campaign which can be used as a basis to build their own faction out of
Chaos, or one of its subfactions, also makes sense because the game starts with multiple imperial and xenos reps but no chaos on the roster
But why would the game need eldar? We have other xenos to start with, we have more interesting xenos that could be added and eldar are fucking gay

>>718633012
GW managed to seize on multi-media content to promote 40k while also having a golden setting with a mixture of appealing factions.
It should be stated that NO faction in 40k is actually much of a failure. The closest is Genestealer Cults and even they get decent enough sales for being a minor faction.

>>718633143
>>718633252
he does make for a very nice summation of the aesthetic decline of the company if nothing else

Are we getting a new version of Last Stand with this game?

>>718633369
yes, already confirmed

>>718633369
Yes, already confirmed on the Steam page.

>>718633252
>dude what if we took one of our all-time best classic models and stripped off all its soul?
And then a GW executive gave a silent thumbs up

>>718633323
I mean if they have AdMech guard are pretty easy to do.
Skitarri and guardsmen models cant be that different compared to like doing a xenos race

>>718633323
Because the Eldar are a standard for the series, people just expect them.
Don't say I didn't warn you, also macha is cute.

Can we take a moment to realize we're running low of Blood Ravens?
>Boreale was executed
>Avitus turned traitor and died
>Thule turned Dreadnaught and died
>Hair gel and Thaddeus are in 4th company sent to bumfuck nowhere
>Jonah and Gabriel are busy doing chapter master librarian stuff
>Cyrus dies in the trailer
Tarkus is literally the only one left

>>718633357
I hate herohammer
I hate brighthammer
I hate hopehammer
I hate age of smegma 40K
I hate tumblr comic art

Me personally I don't give a shit I just want RTS and C&C is never ever ever coming back.
>that feel when I just spent the last week beating yuri's revenge again

>>718633523
pretty sure Jonah was also in the trailer (might have even been the one to start Cyrus funeral) so at least Tarkus still has a friend

>>718633523
the nigbrarian is in the trailer

>>718633556
what? aren't you happy with the 10 C&C clones in development?

>>718633523
>Cyrus dies in the trailer
some promo bullshit
some tubefags got to play demo and Cyrus was the main character, with Iona mentioned as playable
Also, it's pretty easy to introduce new characters, dow 2 did like 8 or 9 ???

>>718633523
Jonah is confirmed in the game
And it has been 200 years since DoW1 in the timeline so they've been reinforced with plenty of red Ultramar- I mean Primaris marines

>>718633357
I don’t play war hammer but lemme give this a shot

First image looks like he’s fighting in hell, with a ship in the background I imagine he arrived in, his armor had like those priests scarves and he has the crown aura from churches in his head making him seem like he’s holy with cherubs in the back supporting him? And everyone he’s killed is on the floor with skulls unless that his skull skateboard

Second image looks like a fantasy knight fighting goblins or something horned with a generic fantasy background

>>718633602
>>718633624
No one likes Jonah, not even Jonah

>>718633556
>C&C is never ever ever coming back.
maybe in another 15 years indie rts devs will understand this

>>718633663
Probably prologue.
Cyrus dying makes sense given he trained and mentored virtually every Blood Raven, good plot for vengeance quests.

>>718633323
Eldar are one of the oldest factions in the setting, predating even Chaos.
They have a niche that the current factions don't fill (Fast, elite, fragile).
Their models are fairly easy to make, with their infantry being highly standardized. Aspect Warriors and Guardians share mostly the same base while Wraith constructs are all fairly standard.
They're easy to insert into a narrative; Seers saw shit going down, the Warhost has been deployed.

>>718633303
DoW4 very clearly advertised base building in the trailer yesterday, nigger.

So what's the appeal of Necrons? Just "cool robot"? Do the rank and file even have personalities?

>>718621341
feels like tzeentch gets all the vidya love these days

>>718633786
I thought Chaos existed day
Isn’t 40k humans vs chaos

>>718633657
The problem is they're usually shit.
9bit armies was way shittier than it needed to be.
These games rarely have any sort of cohesive grasp of balance, the units are usually weird gimmicky shit, it all feels like red alert 3, a cheap knockoff with zero soul and bad repetitive level design.

>>718633825
>So what's the appeal of Necrons?
Cool robots
>Just "cool robot"?
Yes and that's a good thing
>Do the rank and file even have personalities?
No and that's a good thing

>>718633857
no it was vs orks and eldar first

>>718633831
eh, they share space with nurgle becase the other two have like 5 units

If Tyranids land near Necrons do they just ignore them since they’re not organic and they just move onto the next planet?

>>718633825
cool robots but also a bit of tragedy since they got tricked into giving up their bodies and souls and are now cursed to be a stagnant civilization especially with most beyond the higher ups being unthinking machines with at best a small shadow of who they once were

>>718633523
>Cyrus dies in the trailer
If ol' Gabe got the Primaris treatment (?) after getting his ass stomped in Retribution they might just do the same for ol Cyrus
the Blood Ravens don't exactly have a habit of giving up on their buddies unless they turn traitor, and even then it seems like their solution is to throw them into some Chaos infested place as penance

>>718628924
The new necron kill team has a female leader too

>>718633825
>oldcrons
legions of soulless, undying robotic slaves bent on the extinguishing of all life in order to feed their mysterious star gods
>nucrons
Tomb Kings IN SPACE who think elves are fags (true) and whenever not the main antagonist exist to assist humanity in fighting whatever threat GW is selling for this book release

>>718633994
just reminded of alien isolation when the synthetics say hi to the alien and otherwise basically ignore each other

>>718633914
>nucrons denial

>>718633825
They are one of the first civilizations made by the ancient ones, but then they rebelled since they didn't want to be slaves. Killing and purging everything. Some ancient one made a deal with them, more power in exchange for their souls. They did it and became robots that kill and destroy everything.

Eldar then came and kicked their ass so they have to sleep and wait until Eldar are too busy so they can flank them. Then they woke up and realized the Eldar opened the gates of hell and went "interesting......"

>>718633857
Chaos was not present when 40k was first made, back in the Rogue Trader days. It was originally the Imperium (Which was a mix of Robocop, Judge Dredd, and other similar dystopias), Orks (A bit goofier back then, but mostly the same), and Eldar (A bit more alien and high-mystical). Nids were another early faction, and they looked completely different. Chaos came a bit later.

>>718633825
Originally it was
>space terminators
Now it's
>space tomb kings

>>718633994
for the most part yes, but Nids do occasionally fight necrons even if its a case of just getting them out of the way

>>718633831
Gotta sell those tzaangors gathering dust on the shelf.

>>718634102
Nothing I said is nucron denial, fucking secondary throwing buzzwords around

>>718633994
Necrons are made of special stuff so the Tyranids also eat them, I'm pretty sure that the only thing that nids don't eat is dirt

>>718634204
Post models

>>718633737
They're pretty good at cloning blizzard rts too, darfall and stormgate in particular
And lets not forget all the age of empires tower defence games.

>>718633831
They and nurgle are safe for companies to make
>Slannesh is nono
>Khorne tends to me too simple since all the lore retcons with them now just being all melee
IMO Nurgles the more common one in media because their demons are more iconic

>>718634226
Necrodermis is explicitly not biomatter so the Tyranid don't eat them. That's why they usually avoid active Necron tombworlds since it's basically a huge waste of time fighting them for little/no gain.

>>718633825
Ancient terminators that are almost unstoppable and have their own gods on a leash... That's it.
Their characters are pretty interesting also hopefully they have some in the game.

>>718634035
Are 40k books actually good?

>>718634421
Most are shit but every now and then you can find a gem

>>718634421
Most of the time, no.

>>718634134
Holy moly that looks cool, I wanna be an elder
Who’s the red guy

>>718634386
>not biomatter
They eat rocks and walls and shit

>>718633321
Why does he have penis armor?

>>718634421
I've heard The Infinite and the Divine is genuinely good even among non-WH40k books.

>>718634501
Old Tyranid Warrior.
Nids are probably the faction that underwent the most drastic change in aesthetic over time.

Is war hammer Tacticus good?

>>718634421
Like with everything from time to time a good one comes out

>>718634421
not really
there are a few authors that people generally point to for decent books but they either only have a couple good books among a sea of poo or have a very consistent rhythm and style that makes them predictable after you've read a couple
a shame zou had to muck everything up with that plagiarism bit, blood gorgon is a fantastic read

>>718634501
>Who’s the red guy
That's a first edition Tyranid Warrior, this is him now

Should I buy DoW1 Definitive Edition if I just want to play 1v1 online?

>>718634672
They ruined him
And what’s with the handheld penis gun

>>718633825
Necrons used to be the Necrontyr, an ancient race of assholes who also had super-cancer that they couldn't cure. They were a warmongering race who managed to create a galactic empire in spite of the cancer. They asked the other ancient race, the Old Ones, for the secrets of immortality. Because the Necrontyr were assholes, the Old Ones said no. The Necrontyr declared war and got their asses kicked. They then made a pact with asshole star gods called the C'tan, enslaving themselves as Necrons with soulless metal bodies. They beat the Old Ones with the help of the C'tan but then betrayed the C'tan, shattering them. They were too weak to beat the Eldar and Orks, so they went to sleep for millions of years. They're waking up now

The vast majority of Necrons don't have intelligence or personalities, they're just mindless slaves. Like, all the civilians and children became the basic Necron Warriors, who are mindless. The soldiers still get to talk but only about war so thry can give orders. Only the nobles retained their minds and personalities, though even they have developed quirks as a result of becoming robots and also sleeping for 65 million years. Some other elite Necrons have personalites, like the tech wizard Crypteks and the royal guards. There's also the curse of the destroyers and flayed ones, who are insane Necrons driven to destruction or murder. The main thing with Necrons is that they have the best technology of any factions and are also mostly unkillable because they regenerate and respawn. The Necrons won't win 40k because they're highly disunified and also still mostly asleep. There's also the aforementioned insanity issue that plagues some of them. As in literally, it's a plague and curse.

Oh yeah, one of their dynasties has a map of the galaxy that if changed, will also change the actual galaxy. As in they can extinguish stars just by fucking with the map. The dynasty just uses it as surveillance, not as a weapon though they could.

If the game does well they are releasing Tyranids, Eldar and Chaos for sure. But no idea how this new dev will fare, it can be anything.
But killing Cyrus off the bat and not even being the original dev doesn't bode well in my book but lets see.

>>718634759
It's his ranged bio-weapon it can shoot parasitic projectiles that borrow into their victims and ruin them inside out

Good to see warhammer on /v/ again, here's my 3d print of Konrad Cruze for good luck

>>718634518
They avoid the Necron tombworlds because they can sense the C'tan shards then, ionno. It's just something the Tyranid do. Even when they do strip a planet with sleeping Necron bare, they leave the Necron alone.

>>718634836
looks pretty cool, what scale is he compared to 40K minis?

>>718628180
>chaos wasn't doing anything at that point
They were gathering their strength and starting to test it.

Were going to get fucking primarchs in this game aren't we

>>718634885
I can just imagine tyrannies just gently chewing around the Necrons as carefully as they can before silently crawling away

And then the necrons wake up and go where the fuck did everything go

>>718634969
If so it'll be the Chaos ones, which would actually be neat to see.

DoW2 was the best Dawn of War. Men of War's 40k mod is the best 40k game. Both are good because they have toyetic, weighty, fun to use units, like tabletop come to life. Going back to mediocre C&C (a boring-ass irrelevant series) design like the original DoW is retarded.

>>718634836
Did warhammer ever leave this board?

I would rather have the darkies

>>718634969
welp two of the good ones are back and chaos has four at this point? Best case scenario we get something like
>chaos gets added
>start as undivided
>build your base
>dedicate shrines to one of the gods
>unlock that god's specific units
>capture whatever a relic point equivalent is in this game
>unlock the primarch corresponding to your choice of god
We had playable Greater Daemons and Knights before so it's not like this is a big jump

>>718635145
If they manage to get their rumored refresh next edition it could be very possible.

>>718634717
>>718634717
>>718634717
>>718634717
anybody?

>>718634908
He's 10 inches tall with base, 1/12th human scale
>>718635127
Eh, I feel like it's usually age of sigmar shit, last time I saw any 40k threads was around space marine's launch and before that... not much

Wonder if Titus will come to the Blood Raven's aid, he does owe them one

You kids are gay and retarded. Shit used to be so cool. Fuck you.

>>718635145
I keep hearing rumors about them getting a big range refresh soon-ish, it probably won't make sense to add them to a game right now because half the models might be outdated in a year

Why is no one asking for Custodes?

>>718634969
Battlefleet Gothic had Abaddon, so I don't see why they can't put a Primarch in

>>718635145
Especially Haemonculi covens. Pure. Fucking. Darkness.

>>718635347
High risk of showing female Custodes and igniting a good ol' flame war

>>718635347
because they're retarded from a game design standpoint

>>718635145
WHERE GROTESQUES?! WHERE?!!

>>718635347
Here! Me! I am the one guy asking for custodes!

>>718635347
Fucking CusTARDS suck ass. Fucking puddipuddi mega puddi mother fuckers

>>718635347
>have one or two insanely OP units running around the map and that's it
That sounds so fucking gay.

Boyz status?

>>718634518
That got retconned, they eat the entire biosphere but they don't literally strip it to bedrock. On some planets there will even be some subterranean bacteria left.

>>718635437
How

This shit looks like a fucking mobile game dawg

>>718635652
well its the iron harvest devs so its basically a mobile game

>>718635413
>female blade champion one shots your commander
heh nothing personnel

>>718635612
>hyper mega elites whose base unit costs more than a terminator and whose elites cost as much as tanks, with 2+/4++ across the board
They are the definition of a skew army.

are the Kroot still dead for GW?

>>718635347
Several reasons.
The first is that they don't fit the RTS formula. They're TOO elite, as it were, and their roster is even smaller than AdMech.
The second is that nobody likes Custodes. They're annoying as fuck to play against, they're boring to play, their lore is garbage, and they only exist so that GW can try and sell their overpriced resin vehicles and upgrade kits that nobody bought for HH.

>>718635347
Everyone hates them

>>718630310
That's the Tau. The Eldar are the conservatives of the 40k universe

>>718635723
This is heresy

>>718635694
Pill me on Iron Harvest, I was about to play it to see what this dev can do.

>>718635770
Why are they annoying to play against

I hope this game does well and we get all units and armies in it.

>>718635848
Temu Company of Heroes

>>718635347
Custards showed up once already and if they ever show up again, they'll probably be Campaign only and with Sisters of Silence

Their appearance isn't exactly impossible-tier but at the same time nobody asks for them because nobody expects them to appear unless someone bottled the Emperor's fart in a jar and the Blood Ravens want it.
Impossible-tier would probably be a Thunder Warrior that the Blood Ravens nicked somewhere

>>718635757
You been under a rock lately?

>>718635612
>ultra expensive low model count units that are individually powerful
they're either complete trash because they're dogpiled and don't have space for margin of error the moment the enemy brings out a single counter or they're completely overpowered and trounce everything else in the game
there's really no in between with the faction as its designed because its one of the parts of the setting that wasn't supposed to ever see the table much like the primarchs

>>718635757
The entire Tau release for 10th edition was a fairly large Kroot wave.

>>718635848
It's not a mobile game but it released cross-platform on PC and consoles so it was clearly made with non-PC peripherals in mind

>>718635908
So dawn of war 3?

>>718635757
No actually, they got a bunch of models like a year ago, and rule support too. There are significant Kroot characters in the recent Tau novels and there's a Kroot companion in the upcoming Owlcat inquisitor game. GW seems to be embracing Tau auxiliaries a lot more, the Vespid got a kill team. Good chance we'll see official gue'vesa soon.

>>718635915
Kind of, desu. Might buy some for the good old days.
>>718635951
they look kinda nice.

>>718635757
Kroot are more alive than Tau proper right now

>>718635976
>consoles
Alright you've done well anon, deleting

>>718636008
No that's Temu CNC 4

>>718636020
I'm glad GW is realizing the Tau should always have had more auxilaries, rather than just a bunch of gundams

>>718627882
kek

>>718635903
If you have to ask...

DOW4 looks like DOW3.5 but with mobile gameplay

People shit on Relic but they didn't make a RTS with DOW3 and were cashing in with the MOBA craze

>>718636117
but they made so much money selling gundams what if they made more, even bigger gundams

>>718636117
They need more Gundams actually.

>>718636117
I want them to get more mech suits but less gundams
We need Armored Core and Knights of Sidonia tier battlesuits

>>718636213
>>718636254
BE HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU GOT YOU DAMN WEEBS

have the farsight conclaves plotline had any plot progression in the last 5 years
since this is GW I assume no but I have to ask

>>718636198
>cashing in
Crashing in more like

>>718633861
Presumably you're a RA2 fan, so have you checked out DORF?

>>718636323
Nope, I need more Gundams.

>>718635903
Every single model they have that isn't Sisters of Silence (Which nobody uses) are tougher than Terminators and will output significantly more damage than other factions. They can be thought of as a Stat Check army; if you don't specifically tailor your list to fight them, you're going to get crushed, and if you DO have an army to counter them then they're going to get crushed, due to their low model count.

>>718636117
I like to imagine that they sound like mosquitoes but at a hundred times the volume

>>718617890 (OP)
Good.
Fuck D-Cannons
Fuck Banshees
Fuck Webways
Fuck Fleet of Foot

>>718617890 (OP)
umm excuse me, they're called aeldari
do not deadname them again pls or I will ratio you

>>718636057
>kill team
How many games is GW gonna make

>>718635903
They're so durable as a baseline that if you take a balanced army against them like a normal person (and not a cheesemongering netlisting tourneyfag) half your army is relegated to sitting around with their dicks in their hands because a lasgun in rapid fire range does 1/36th of a wound to a custard. So you just have to use your units as speedbumps to keep them off objectives and away from the units that can actually hurt them, and win by points because they only have 3 units in a 1k points army and can't play the objective for shit. Playing against them feels less like a battle and more like trying to parallel park.

>>718636494
>Fuck Banshees
GOD I WISH I COULD

>>718617890 (OP)
Exodites will be the 4th faction.

>>718636326
Fuck no, he literally got a new novel a few months ago that amounted to nothing. He got a campaign book last edition which was a nnothing urger.

The Tau proper are actually getting some development, they just got the best tau novel ever released, Elemental Council. They're planning on invading Ultramar. They also have their Greater Good Goddess floating around now, created and empowered by the faith of their auxiliaries.

>>718633357
i disagree, some of the most recent art in 40k has been fantastic aesthetically, it was too clean for a while but there's some great stuff nowadays

>>718636540
me too

>>718636391
Absolutely, I get a KKnD vibes from that trailer, I hope it's a damn masterpiece

>>718635347
They won't work in a RTS setting since you're only controlling a handful of units and they'll get rushed because they have no T0 units

Instead Space Marines and Imperium armies should be able to recruit 5-10 of them maximum as an unstoppable hero unit

The only time the Custodes fought together en masse was during the Horus Heresy, even in the Great Crusade they only fought sparingly and never committed the entire 10,000 since the brunt of the fighting was the Space Marines' job

Sisters of Silence are T2/T3 infantry but Custodes are all T5+

>>718635270
???? Theres been loads of 40k threads. Theres almost always one a day and there has been for several years. sure a few are sub 100 post ones but most get to 200+ posts.

>>718635347
Custards will be DLC but they will be heavily gutted and have the Ostheer problem in CoH 2 games where they can field the best statpumped elite units but losing them would basically be game over due to how much resource heavy and reliant the faction is with them. They would be a not-so versatile faction that can field "ultra-elite" units that can be countered with some game knowledge. Basically a cheese faction.

>>718636584
painting over AI art makes cosmic demon horrors so much easier to produce

>>718636673
that's a way to see it i guess, the recent chaos codex has an incredible spread

>>718636649
You can have it so the Custodes are attached to another faction as their elite units.

>>718636761
I'm sorry to be the one to tell you that his guy is not longer working with GW

>>718636616
>KKnD
Fucking loved these.
I remember reading about the Mutie shotgunners and how they like the sound of their shotguns. I seem to remember a bit about them adding more metal inside to enhance the sound, but that might just be a false memory.
KKnD 2 had a great intro.
"Some groups just don't get along".

>>718636661
Sounds good to me
Being the most elite infantry faction in the setting is their whole point. Throw in jetbikes and their unique dreadnoughts and you got a faction
Sisters of Silence can join too I guess as their early game scouts and psyker counter units

>>718636523
Kill team is pretty much just mini 40k, the models get rules in the main game

>>718629298
Rocking and stoning.

>>718636892
well we'll see what happens then. you say "aesthetic decline" but that's wrong, it's just not having the right artists

>new nightbringer model at the same time as dawn of war 4 being announced
HIS GAME

>>718617890 (OP)
>>718617890 (OP)
>>718617890 (OP)
>>718617890 (OP)
>>718617890 (OP)
Ive never touched 40k

Is there a chart on what games to play?
Where do I start, what do I read

>>718637163
Don't give GW your money.

>>718637126
tired of le pixel trails on necron models
it looks goofy and out of place

>>718637163
Dawn of War 1 and 2
Space Marine 1 and 2
Darktide?
Horus Heresy's first five novels and then pick and choose afterwards
Helsreach and Night Lords trilogy

>>718636903
Fuck yeah brother, I always thought the unit and building design was fantastic with some excellent spritework, it was punching well above it's weight class in a lot of aspects.

>>718618682
>ONLY in the small scale squad focused game
It was kinda fun how the hive tyrant could just break entire maps by bulldozing through walls and barricades. Also read somewhere that Nids managed to evolve units that specialize in killing demons. That's fucking rad.

>>718637163
dawn of war definitive came out 3 days ago. start where everyone else did.

>>718625195
You know that Nightlords can summon demons too? Anyway don't threaten me with a good time

>>718637314
>ZAMN

>>718637163
https://archive.org/details/warhammer-40k-8th-edition-book-collection

>>718637126
adding the scarabs is a weird choice

>>718619819
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Dawn_of_Eldar
there is a reason this exists

>>718637253
Yeah there was a new hive fleet, Kronos, that has enhanced its Shadow in the Warp to really fuck with demons. They're ranged specialists as well. It's interesting because other hive fleets will leave behind biomass remnants for them to slurp up, to make up for the losses when fighting demons that disappear.

>>718637387
aza'gorod was well-known for his love of funny little scarabs

>>718637387
They're on the ancient resin one as well

>>718637205
But anon you’re in a 40k thread??

>>718617890 (OP)
What are the chances of a Daemon Primarch appearing in this game?

>>718637627
only silly billies actually pay for 40k content

>>718637163
>Is there a chart on what games to play?
Dawn of War 1 and its expansions Winter Assault and Dark Crusade are top tier RTS. The campaign and skirmish mode are both excellent
Dawn of War 2 and its expansions are good for their campaigns but the skirmish mode was shit sadly
Space Marine 1 and 2 are both good third person shooters with the second game having a added coop focus
The Mechanicus game is a good Xcom clone
Darktide is a horde shooter coop game, it's clunky but fun
Rogue Trader is a long ass CRPG that's great if you really wanna sink your teeth into a long story

That's about it for good 40K vidya. Battlefleet Gothic Armada 1 and 2 are good as well but they're very niche spaceship based RTS and hard to recommend
>Where do I start, what do I read
You can start with the above vidya, just pick a genre that appeals to you and play the corresponding games
If you want to see cool space marines in action you can watch the Astartes fan animation it's sick as fuck
As for books there are a lot possible entry points, if I were you I'd start by exploring what the various factions in 40K are then read a book that features the factions you find most interesting

>>718617890 (OP)
Good fuck space elves

>>718637757
40k dwarves and elves are actually relatively chill with each other

>>718637426
All the hate for DoW Eldar is really funny when you consider Tabletop Eldar who are ten times more broken

>>718637645
30% in my estimation. Not exactly high odds but definitely possible

>>718637807
Squats deserve a second Tyranid hive fleet to eat all of them.

>>718637705
How does one pirate physical minis?

>>718637849
Not on Buri the Based's watch.

>>718617890 (OP)
So sick of Spess Muhrine wank vros, I just want a comfy XCOM like with my guardbros

>>718637243
Personally looking forward to Dust Front RTS.
Hope the guy finishes it.

>>718637935
>le humans
Not even the fun kinds too, which would be traitor/blood pact

>>718637935
Mechanicus, anon?

>>718638097
he said with his "guardbros"

Does Warhammer lead into 40k?

Like if the emperor is super old was he there?

What Chaos legion will they add?

>>718637989
>relatable humans with noble struggles
vs
>retarded cultists who damned their souls forever for ???
yeah nah

>>718638165
if you're asking seriously, then no. two different universes

if you aren't, then yes totally

>>718637954
That and DORF are the only RTS games I'm looking forward to releasing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNHMwEOJxoY

>>718638165
No, they're different worlds in the same multiverse. The Chaos gods and demons are the same, but in practice this doesn't matter.

>>718638097
It's a good game but not exactly an XCOM like you know

Did GW give chaos primarus armor? Or did they do the unthinkable and force chaos to do something different from imperium+spikes?

>>718637954
>Dust Front RTS.
What's this?
>those animations
Oh ma gawd

>>718638185
Word Bearers

>>718638250
i actually like 40k demons a lot more, the scale being galactic makes each demon seem to be more important, like in fantasy the arrival of a greater demon is a very bad day until it fucks off whereas in 40k it's essentially the death of an entire planet almost irrevocably

>>718638313
No thry must gave them growth hormones

>>718638208
>with noble struggles
90% of the time Guard are sent to crush ragtag, malnourished planetary populations that are rebelling against Imperium-installed dictators and despots. The remaining 10% they're sent to deal with some minor Xenos incursion that's too small to bother Marines over.

>>718618682
Like the other guy said, the trick to having a good narrative campaign for the Nids is to have the story told from the PoV of their enemies, just like BFG2 and Gladius did.

>>718638324
If they do I hope they add a ton of daemons to make them feel more different from loyalists

>>718638243
Good stuff.
Hopefully we get a couple bangers.
DORF soundtrack shaping up good.

>>718638313
They didn't get primaris armor chaos dude just got bigger to match the scale
People generally call it chaos roids

>>718638316
What is this? It doesn't look like that DORF trailer at all.

>>718638208
>relatable humans with noble struggles
Not guard, guard are an abomination
>retarded cultists who damned their souls forever for ???
Fuck yeah sounds like fun.

What will the second space marine faction be? Better not be the fucking furries

>>718638467
Ultramarines, obviously.

>>718638398
all in a day's work, you're welcome

>>718638467
None I hope. You get an army painter and generic marines for everyone

>>718638412
Dust Front, it was in the fucking post!

>>718638316
Yeah, pretty sure that's a one-man-army dev too. Been in the works for a while. Hope it's not vaporware.
If you like the mechanical side of the artstyle, pretty sure the bombers in it were inspired by this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyMNIFZTQkg

>>718617890 (OP)
They have to be retarded not putting these guys in. They're like the perfect faction for a large scale RTS.

>>718638602
Iron Hands and Iron Warriors for maximum retardery.

>>718638602
but in an rts you generally have to advance, not just fire artillery from a single trench for 50 years

Why are there so many space marine chapters??
You don’t see sisters or imperium having that problems wtf
And what are space wolves

>>718638398
>>718638378
I'm genuinely sort of surprised.
Surprised they didn't primaris them.
Not surprised they released new models.
Line must go up after all.

>>718638602
iron warriors dont look like that

>>718638663
i think it's funny that SM fans have to eat primaris shit for better scaled models while CSM fans just get better scaled models now

>>718638661
Space Marines are the most popular faction, so they got the most subtractions.

Spuce Wolves are one of the original space marine legions, and they're space vikings that really love wolves

>>718638661
>Why are there so many space marine chapters??

>>718638754
CSM dont get anything

>>718638646
>Iron Hands land on a planet that's being invaded
>Iron Warriors gloat that they've already killed 30% of the civilian populatio
>Iron Hands call them faggots, then proceed to kill the rest of the civilians themselves
>Iron Warriors watch in astonishment as the Iron Hands then leave, as they are bored and there's no value in the fight any more.

>>718638774
They REALLY like wolves

>>718638575
The best indie games are solo works so I hope it comes out one day even if in some buggy pre-alpha stage that modders can fix up
It's like a biodieselpunk almost the machines feel so alive

>>718638774
>space vikings
>brown man
sure.

>>718638848
REALLY REALLY REALLY like wolves

>>718638791
csm have had so many updates recently, and the entire EC launch now. i mean they just got a bunch of new NL models, like just recently

>>718638879
Thousand Sons nuked Fenris, the Wolves have had to ecpand their recruitment worlds.

>>718638906
Also the wolves might actually just be mutated dudes, and space wolves run the risk of turning into wolfmen

>>718638868
Yeah, I'm a big fan of the art direction.
Hope it's a good game and is a grand success for the guy (or the team) making it.

>>718638962
>wulfen
DIGGANOBZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y29aGTbg62A

>>718638962
god damn the wulfen still look terrible
how do you mess up "space marine feral werewolf" this bad

>>718638956
there's always an excuse.

>>718638791
>two loyalist primarchs back
>four traitor primarchs back
Wrong

>>718639062
>how do you mess up "space marine feral werewolf" this bad
Because Marines aren't meant to be feral werewolves

Go to the bathroom

>>718638324
It will be Black Legion because Failbaddon aka Overlord sent Starscream aka Eliphas the Inheritor to piss off the blood ravens, and he also resurrected Megatron aka Araghast .

>>718639130
not yeeeeet

>>718639120
then tell GW to retcon that shit and remove those ugly ass models forever

>>718639062
They didn't actually update wulfens or thunderwolf cavalry recently

>>718639104
3 of those traitor primarchs are stuck in microfactions

>>718639161
WE HAVE TRIED

>>718639161
I've passed it on to my inside man he said they will never refresh the wulfen according to your instructions

>>718635347
I already dislike the idea of the greyknights being a fullblown army, the custodes are just plain retarded.

>>718639297
why?

>>718639297
I dislike the idea of space marines being a full blown army. They should be souped with guard.

>>718638848
Can the wolves beat dudes in power armor or tanks?

>>718638467
None of the divergent space marine chapters are different enough to warrant being a new faction

>>718639167
no, the 2016 wulfen are still the current ones and the 2012 wolfguard cavalry are unchanged as well

>>718638962
Bro that's just Leomon.

I pray Ad Mech are fun

>>718639413
yes, unfortunately. they're just THAT GOOD

>>718639297
Custodes are cool as fuck and actually distinct from base space marines
Grey knights are kinda gay though I wouldn't mind them being dropped as their own faction. It would be good enough to keep them around as space marines with unique character options like many minor chapters have

>>718617890 (OP)
Makes sense since all Eldar gameplay niche was taken by marines
>mobile army and buildings
>specialised units

>>718639413
Yeah, they can get to the size of tanks and can bite through steel. They can get augments too

>>718639493
grey knights could just be a part of imperial agents honestly, like deathwatch for xenos, grey knights for demons

>>718639527
Nu space wolves are dumb

>female cuckstodes
yeah I'm good m8

>>718639429
I know, I meant the refresh from this year

>>718639585
Old space wolves are dumb too
They have always been a retard tryhard faction

>>718639513
Nah, marines are the well rounded army.
Eldar is the FAST with super specialized units.

>>718639585
well, no, wolves have always (ALWAYS) been in space wolves, here's the 1989 leman russ model with his wolves

>>718639341
>asking why the grey knights suck
Isn't it obvious?

>>718639701
>"why yes it is important to have maclador's sigil swinging from my balls while im in this baby carrier"

>>718639586
female custodes would be kino. They should have cocks bigger and more functional than what primarchs have

>>718639701
is the dreadknight your reason why "the grey knights should not be a full-blown army"? i wanted something more solid than that

>>718639645
>edge highlighting every patch in the fur coat
God it looks so bad
Not edge highlighting is a common beginner mistake but too much edge highlighting is a common advanced painter mistake

>>718639379
I dislike the idea of imperial guard being a full blown army. There should be a 3:1 ratio between planetary guard and imperial guardsmen.

>>718639757
Eh the actual answer is that they could just be rolled into agents of the inquisition like the Deathwatch

>>718639696
Thats a woman in space marine armor
>>718639760
oils

>>718639648
>Eldar is the FAST
Yep, so as marines with drop pods and mobile bunkers
>with super specialized units.
Just like space marines. One special weapon per unit

>>718639701
look at this little dude in his walking harness he thinks he's a real marine, so cute!

>>718639861
You never played these games have you?

>>718640153
Yeah I haven't played DoW IV yet.

>>718639861
Retard. Marines being rapid response doesnt mean the units are fast in the field they just deploy fast and hit hard. Eldar have all the glasscannon fast movement shit. Fucking fleet of foot was broken in DoW1.

>>718640320
>Marines being rapid response doesnt mean the units are fast in the field they just deploy fast and hit hard.
One of the main Eldar's feature in DoW-1
>Eldar have all the glasscannon
Yep and Marines now all the iron cannon, which makes Eldar obsolete in Dawn Of War

No actual 40k fan wants shitty space elves of either flavor in.

>>718640475
there's actually like 5 flavors of space elf

I think exodites should be in WH40k.

>>718640530
And they're all awful and don't fit in 40k.

>>718640475
Truth, but let's be honest, this is how actual 40k fan looks like, talks about tabletop in video game thread on video games board.

>>718638848
They fuck the wolves don’t they….

>>718640475
I want DE, actually.

>>718640450
>One of the main Eldar's feature in DoW-1
Yes??? Thats the point I and the other anon are making. They are not like marines and as a result marines are slower.
>Yep and Marines now all the iron cannon, which makes Eldar obsolete in Dawn Of War
Schizo random points that are irrelevant aside if Eldar do come back the need to be brokenly good as is customary.

>>718634009
>If ol' Gabe got the Primaris treatment (?) after getting his ass stomped in Retribution they might just do the same for ol Cyrus
they cremated his dead body in the trailer though

>>718640616
weird thing to say about one of if not the oldest models in the game

>>718640718
Age does not equal correctness.

>>718640691
>They are not like marines and as a result marines are slower.
In DoW 1.
But DoW 4 marines are fast mobile army of specialised units.
>if Eldar do come back the need to be brokenly good as is customary.
Here is the trick, they wouldn't comeback because they have no gameplay niche

>>718640718
None cares

Do Space Marine chapters like each other? Are they friends and work together?

Or is it like the US armies where they think the other branches are gay and shit on one in particular, like the space furries and think that they’re the true space marines ?

>>718639120
Well then maybe the Emperor should've learned how to science before heading out to do his Great Crusade

>>718640897
Sometimes yes.
Then you have some like the Iron Hands.

>>718617890 (OP)
nobody cares about eldar

>>718640897
>Do Space Marine chapters like each other? Are they friends and work together?
Some of them. Some of them nor. Salamanders have problems with yellow marines, while Blood Angls likes to suck each other and practice platonic love.

>>718640897
>Or is it like the US armies where they think the other branches are gay and shit on one in particular
yes and no
some folks are """"friendly""""
others would like to shove a chainsword up your ass
others would like to shove a chainaxe up your ass, which is dangerously close to heresy
know the difference between heresy and not yet heresy (now you see why a lot of nigs back in the day kept memeing about heresy and grimderp)

>>718640897
every single chapter of marines think they're "the guy" of the galaxy, and spend so much time doing their own things basically that they're all completely different
it's like if separate branches of the military operated away from each other with zero contact for decades at a time, will they work together? depends on the chapter, really

>>718640641
No. They are the wolves.

>>718640942
Who are the iron hands?

>>718641093
the guys with iron hands

>>718617890 (OP)
good, fuck them.

>>718641093
Colossal assholes, that's who.

>>718641093
dickheads, basically

>>718640897
Sometimes.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Feast_of_Blades
Mostly it will just be cool professionalism. Occasionally outright hatred.

>>718640942
Iron Hands are well known for loving the Mechanicus

>>718641093
Marine chapter that got so assblasted abs traumatized by their primarch getting his head chopped off like an idiot that they decided flesh and emotions are weaknesses, and are constantly replacing their bodies with prosthetics. They're extreme assholes to everyone

>>718640616
Seethe

>>718641093
Cunts

>>718641161
>>718641176
But not the biggest
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Marines_Malevolent

>>718617890 (OP)
good
Tau is basically everything Eldar are but better in every way

>>718641280
>Seethe
Look who is talking

>>718641062
Don’t they all serve humanity?

Would they actually not work with other chapters and let them die?

>>718641306
They're like total opposites

>>718640850
Anon youre using the relative card to make marines out to be fast in DoW4. Whilst true this doesnt really make marines actually fast and if the game doesnt suck dick and actually gets eldar dlc then obviously eldar will get all the actual fast stuff. Claiming marines are fast is just disingenuous if you dont explicitly state youre being relative when 99% of people who would be in the discussion know Eldar.

>they would have no gameplay niche
This is why your statement is retarded. Their niche isnt taken at all even in a relative sense. Even if marines are made to be just as fast they dont have the hit and run gameplay at all which is eldar's other thing.

>>718641352
They have their own agendas and opinions on how to do that

>>718641352
Space marine chapters have killed other chapters and gone to war with them before

Are there any traitor space marine chapters that aren't into chaos?

>>718641298
even they aren't the biggest cunts
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Knights_of_Blood_(Chapter)
these guys were so fucking awful that they were branded renegades for a while due to how likely they were to just kill civilians outright, and were such miserable and borderline evil fucks that dante and seth of the flesh tearers (another absolute bastard chapter) agreed to not even ressurect them after their annihilations during the devastation of baal

>>718641352
yes (no, many chapters put "killing the enemy" far over "serving humanity") but they can also be extremely proud and hold grudges forever, many chapters will not come to the aid of other chapters due to old slights and would in fact let them die

>>718641004
I care

>>718641579
But that’s because it’s the heretics vs the loyalists, the other guys are corrupted by chaos

>>718630310
rentfree

>>718641592
There are traitor warrants that eschew chaos yes, mostly among the alpha legion, some of whom consider themselves to still be loyalists

>>718641662
no, not really. there are plenty of loyalist vs. loyalist SM engagements even outside the Badab War (a huge SM vs. SM war)

>>718641662
No, see the Grey Knights vs the Space Wolves, the Months of Shame.
>grey knights and wolves have just finished beating a major chaos invasion
>grey knights and inquisition move to purge the guardsman survivors
>wolves refuse to allow this
>they start killing each other

>>718641764
> grey knights and inquisition move to purge the guardsman survivors
Why would you kill survivors?

>>718638848
Is there a model of a wolf assimilated by tyranids?

>>718641868
Exposure to chaos is not a good thing for the Imperium, both ideologically (goes against ther religion) and practically (knowledge of chaos might cause further corruption). Purging expendable survivors can happen. Also the grey knights themselves are supposed to be super secret, purging or memory wipes will typically be after they show up.

>>718641868
they could be corrupted by chaos

>>718641469
>this doesnt really make marines actually fast
It is actually does. Reserves gives you better version of the Webway (can drop pod not only infantry but dreanoughts as well) and mobile bunker is pretty much equal to DoW 1 teleporting turrets.
>and actually gets eldar dlc then obviously eldar will get all the actual fast stuff.
Why bother if marines exists with the same gameplay, mr. shill?
>Their niche isnt taken at all even in a relative sense.
Except it is taken. Specialised units - marines, mobility - marines
>hit and run gameplay at all which is eldar's other thing.
Wasn't a thing since DoW 1, and judging by maps wouldn't exists in DoW 4 either,

>>718641868
they were near chaos, thus needed a full and total purging to fully prevent corruption
which, if you read the book about the months of shame, was a legitimately and unfortunately necessary action, EIGHT fucking bloodthirsters and ANGRON HIMSELF manifested on the world, insanity and cults would become widespread after that

>>718641629
>>718641629
>>718641629
So like if all of /v/ was in an imperium of man platoon and were getting wrecked by necrons can we even call Space Marines to help us or would they leave us on on seen???

>>718641868
Knowledge of Chaos strengthens Chaos. As grim as it is the Grey Knights were doing thr correct thing. The problem is that their goal was hijacked by a rogue Inquisitor who used them to attack the Wolves.

>>718641868
GKs existence is top secret. They kill EVERYONE that sees them.

>>718641947
Tyranids don't "assimilate" like Zerg. They dissolve you into organic soup and then slurp that up and turn it into new Tyranids.

>>718637935
Chaos Gate Daemonhunters you goober
>M-muhreens tho!
Deal w/ it fag

>>718617890 (OP)
only good (space)elf is a dead (space)elf

>>718642023
depends on the chapter, some might help, some might deem you unworthy of help, some might say they can't spare the resources, some might say "weaklings" and watch you die, some might not give a shit about you but just want to kill mankind's enemies. it's mostly random since SM aren't bound to any real authority other than themselves

>>718642042
To clarify on that; GKs don't just pop into battle willy nilly and designate whole regiments to be killed. They do utilize covert approaches to minimize casualties when possible.

>>718642047
I thought they still sort of used the dna like squigs being tyranids made with ork dna.

>>718642023
Yes, they could ignore if you're not important enough, or if they have other matters. Typical Space Marine chapters don't really answer to anyone. If they ignore enough orders they might get declared traitors and purged though.

>>718642023
Mostly depends on the larger strategic picture. There are very, very few selfless marine chapters.

>>718642169
Who the fuck terminates the terminators?

>>718642291
Asterion fuckin Moloc

>>718642291
historically, other terminators
the only thing that can stop a bad guy with an autocannon...

>>718641052
I remember one time a Space Marine chapter was declared heretics because they were eating people despite the fact Space Marines eat people sometimes.

>>718642004
Dude youre fucking retarded.

>it makes mariens fast
No it doesnt. Theyre just fast compared to the other 3 factions in the game. If they want to later add eldar and be consistent with the entire setting Eldar will be faster. You do understand what the word 'relative' means right?
>marines exist in the same niche
They objectively dont and I even gave another niche eldar can fill that marines dont if for some retarded reason being fast isnt one of them.
>specialised units
This is only somewhat true given the new marine stuff but most marine units are still generalist especially vs eldar aspect warriors. The intercessor squad is just a marine squad, the assault version is just assault marines without jump packs till they get the upgrade, and theyve gotten a special weapon squad etc. its nowhere near the same extent as eldar aspects even on tabletop 40k (8th onwards is shit as well). This niche is still not filled either.
>hit and run wasnt a thing in dow1
Look at this skill issue faggot lmao. You could fuck around with webway gates, falcon tanks, and warp spiders. Vypers also could do lots.

>>718642225
>>718642169
>>718642124
I’m assuming this is because the emperor is dead? Because I don’t think he would let this happen

There’s no temporary authority on Earth? Like some high command or pope?

>>718642291
The Inquisition would probably send assassins, like they did with the Celestial Lions. Those poor bastards kept getting murdered by ork snipers no matter where they went.

The High Lords of Terra also have their own personal space marine chapter, the Minotaurs, who are excellent at purging other space marine chapters

>>718642386
Anon you may as well just read the lexicanum or the 1d6chan synopsis of the setting at this point unless the conversation is the thing youre getting out of this.

>>718642130
Yes. The soup still has genetic information that they glean useful features from for the purposes of creating new bioforms. But they don't use enough at once for it to be recognizable as the original creature.

>>718641592
You're thinking of renegade space marine chapters. Relictors did nothing wrong.

>>718642386
yes, there is the high lords of terra, BUT the space marines aren't bound by any real laws or supervision. they CAN be investigated by the inquisition but it's not that common. they are generally self-policing just by being literally built at the genetic level for loyalty and duty but that isn't ironclad
brother it's just time you did some reading on your own because this rabbit hole only goes deeper

>>718642386
There are all of those things. But I don't think you understand how bad things are in the 40k universe.

>>718639648
>marines are the well rounded army.
Hi 10e called, he said you have to get out of the bunker and join the rest of us in our goyslop

>>718642386
The Imperium has always been majorly decentralized, even when the Emperor is alive. It is way too big and space travel is way too slow and unreliable to allow for an actual central authority to enforce rules consistently. Important shit gets lost all the fucking time, the bureaucracy is massive and impossible

The official rulers of the Imperium before Guilliman came back, the High Lords of Terra, spend half their time scheming against each other and half their time trying to keep the rotten carcass of the Imperium afloat. The Inquisition is suppose to oversee and correct things, but they're a factional mess; the most likely fate of an inquisitor is to be corrupted or killed by another inquisitor.

>>718642386
The entire reason the chapters exist is because of Roboute Guilliman and his faggot-ass Codex Astartes.

>>718642382
>No it doesnt.
Okay. Dropping units in every visible part of the map and buildings not fast, sure...
>If they want to later add eldar and be consistent with the entire setting Eldar will be faster.
Because..? According to setting marines are faster.
>They objectively dont
They objectively does.
> but most marine units are still generalist especially vs eldar aspect warriors.
DoW 4 marines roster (which is based on tabletop units) doesn't have a single generalist unit.
You have 1 dedicated unit for shooting (intercessor), 2 dedicated melee units (assault intercessors and blade guard), 1 dedicated sniper unit (eliminators), 1 dedicated anti-tank melta unit (eradicators)
>>hit and run wasnt a thing in dow1
I've said it was not a thing SINCE DoW 1. pay attention shill.

>>718642627
that was hilarious, him waking up and seeing how it all worked out and going "okay that was a mistake"

>>718642386
You have to do significantly worse than just abandoning troops to earn sanction.

>>718639701
>gw not only gave the dreadknight a new sculpt but doubled down on it despite it being mocked to hell and back

That's pretty bad. The slaughter of Eldar is pure bliss.

>>718642650
FFS you dumb cunt.
>dropping untis fast
The units themselves are not fast. How come you cant fathom this distinction.
>according to the setting marines are faster
You clearly dont get what Im alluding to. You mean 'erm akhually marine individuals move faster than eldar' when the faction itself moves slow vs eldar on the battlefield. a predator tank etc. is not anywhere near as fast as eldar jetbikes or grav tanks. Marines can deploy rapidly but on a a single battlefield eldar move faster.
>Doesnt have a single generalist unit
It does, it has intercessors whcih are basically just the primaris faggot way of saying a marine squad. they merely dont have special weapon access but theyve not had that to a poitn that it matters for 2 games basically. they arent really a full on dedicated shooting unit that gets fucked over in melee. Theyre literally just the nu40k equivealent of a marine squad
>didnt exist after Dow1
Eldar can do hit and run stuff in both DoW2&3 just its not as obnoxious.
>shill
What am I shilling? I merely pointing out how retarded your take is. Eldar's niche hasnt been filled at all and only a retarded mutt would think it has been.

>>718641352
space marine chapters control their own worlds and sectors of space. so really they dont need anyone else.

>>718643130
>[Astral Claws screaming in the distance]

>>718643218
the taxman cometh...

would be fuckin wild if they got added before eldar , if ever at all

>>718643014
is it worth playing a heretic in RT?

>>718643086
>The units themselves are not fast.
I(f they can be deliever fast, they are fast.
>You mean 'erm akhually marine individuals move faster than eldar' when the faction itself moves slow vs eldar on the battlefield. a predator tank etc. is not anywhere near as fast as eldar jetbikes or grav tanks.
Falcon is not faster than Razorback in DoW 2.
>Eldar can do hit and run stuff in both DoW2&3 just its not as obnoxious.
Actually they cannot, because DoW2 and DoW3 aren't designed for hit and run in general, they are focused on pushing lines like MOBA games.
>It does, it has intercessors whcih are basically just the primaris faggot way of saying a marine squad.
Marines squad can take heavy bolters or lascannons. When Intercessors takes plasma they become a new unit - hellblasters, when they take heavy bolters - heavy intercessors.
>they arent really a full on dedicated shooting unit that gets fucked over in melee.
Yeah no shit, because unlike obsolete Eldar Marines aren't fragile, but they still army of specialists without generalists

>>718643356
votann are like 3 years off having a full roster. they might show up but they wont be playable for a long time

>>718643356
Depends on game-design and map architecture, so far it's seems just bunch of corridors, like DoW 2 maps with very rudiment base buildings (4 buildings at late game)

>>718643402
Massive retard

>>718619819
>If you asked an Eldar to choose between invading an Imperial planet for a 1% chance at saving a craftworld, and sacrificing that craftworld to permanently kill Slaanesh; they'd invade the Imperial planet every time.
Funny enough this literally happened except it was a deathwatch marine knowingly choosing to kill a whole bunch of eldar while they were in the middle of doing a ritual that would have killed Slaanesh because fuck eldar

>>718643626
it's over bro you LOST

>>718643626
Whatever helps to feed your family Rajesh

>>718643356
How strong are the Space Dwarfs lore wise? Can they actually fight space marines or they are also just fodder?

>>718643402
>I(f they can be deliever fast, they are fast
No. You are retarded. You can deliver terminators fast. Theyre still slow as shit. A marine unit can get to a location fast via a drop pod, this doesnt make it as fast as a landspeeder or jetbike etc.
>Falcon is not faster than a razorback in DoW2
>vidya stats ignoring gameplay of how the faction plays
>cant do that in dow2 or 3
You can, you can have harassing units, and purposefully fleeing etc.
>intercessors become different untis
You mean exactly how you could make your marine squad in DoW1 a NOT-devastator squad by giving heavy weapons or keep them with special weapons.
>Yeah no shit, because unlike obsolete Eldar Marines aren't fragile, but they still army of specialists without generalists
So for the first part of this statement youve basically just agreed with me that eldar dont fill the same niche. The second part is wrong as youve literally just explained how intercessors change unit types. I honestly thought they hellblasters etc would be dedicated units and gave the benefit of the doubt but what was explained in the point before this one proves they have a standard generalist infantry unit by RTS terms.

Youve yet to make an actual none retarded reason to claim that eldar's niche has been filled despite it clearly not being filled.

>>718643667
>a deathwatch marine knowingly choosing to kill a whole bunch of eldar while they were in the middle of doing a ritual that
was fueled by the ritual sacrifice of an entire planet of humans. The Deathwatch did nothing wrong, the eldar have thousands of years of pedigree proving them to be lying snakes that shouldn't be trusted at face value.
>just let us kill this planet
>bro trust me :^)

>>718643810
they have bolters and power armor, they're pretty on par

>>718643667
The Eldar shouldn’t have picked a world whose defenders were too much for them to handle for their silly rituals

>>718643893
this, the eldar who says "this will kill one of the gods of chaos" is just as likely to then admit "stupid monkeigh, this was actually just to save a single eldar child a thousand years from now". there is quite literally no faction in the setting that lies as often as eldar except maybe genestealer cults and that's not a good comparison

>>718643843
>No
>if your forces can move across the map instantly your army isn't fast
Okay
>You can, you can have harassing units, and purposefully fleeing etc.
You don't have space to hit and run you just run back to your respawn/well like in MOBA games.
>You mean exactly how
Exactly opposite. If you need anti-tank marine infantry you built general marine squad nad then give 4 models a rocket launchers. Do your homework shill
>So for the first part of this statement youve basically just agreed with me that eldar dont fill the same niche.
No, Ive pointed out that Eldar don't have any niche for them. Ironcannons makes glasscanons obsolete.
>just explained how intercessors change unit type
They don't change unit type, you ordering a completely different unit for different roles.

>>718643893
>>just let us kill this planet
Since when it was an issue in 40k?

>>718644142
That is not a xeno's decision to make.

>>718644248
Because..?
I don't have a race in this argument, just pure curiosity.

>>718644142
the galaxy functions on the rule "it's only cool when we do it", you can bomb your own planets but not other people's

>>718644437
larping

>>718644437
*because* every one of the remaining factions in the galaxy want every other faction to simply fucking die as soon as possible, every single one would lie to the other about anything if it meant killing more of them

>>718644550
>*because* every one of the remaining factions in the galaxy want every other faction to simply fucking die as soon as possible,
Why? Humans had shitton of states and enclaves which were destroyed by Imperium. They also seems protected in the Tau Empire along with other races.

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>>718644642
Because they all hate each other for various reasons

I know it won't happen but I really hope they make GSC playable

>>718644642
what do you mean "why"
because they all owned the galaxy at one point in time, want it back, and don't want to share it or be hindered
there's no further discussion on this

>>718644718
But Tau don't hate humans
Interex, Diasporex weren;t hating humans.
Votann don't hate humans.
Eldar basically serving humans along with Necrons.

>>718644747
>because they all owned the galaxy at one point in time, want it back, and don't want to share it or be hindered
When Tau owned galaxy?

>>718644090
>okay
Concession accepted
>You don't have space to hit and run you just run back to your respawn/well like in MOBA games.
You have room to run in most DoW2 maps even with how small they are, the game has a fluxuating frontline. DoW1 is more spreadout with gaps. Additionally you can run in other directions in stuff like DOTA. running towards the other team's side of the map is often used to duke/escape.
>Exactly opposite. If you need anti-tank marine infantry you built general marine squad nad then give 4 models a rocket launchers. Do your homework shill
Holy fuck youre retarded. I literally pointed out that you make the unit build weapons to suit what you need but they still fail in comparison to dedicated units. a marien squad with missiles is not as good as fucking lascannon predator or a fire dragon squad. Youre also ignoring the fact that after giving them said upgrades they arent suddenly dogshit vs infantry. A lascannon pred becomes shit at killing infantry and fire dragons suck dick vs infantry. You keep spamming shill. Im not even shilling anything. Use an actual insult faggot.
>They don't change unit type, you ordering a completely different unit for different roles.
Then they (intercessor squad) are simply the generic generalist infantry unit the unupgraded marine squad is in DoW1 killing most things somewhat ok for their weight except for tanks.

Still not given a credible reason for why marines fill the same niche as eldar. Mainly because they objectively dont.