Thread 718641778

Untranslated visual novel fans be like “YO THIS GAMEPLAY IS FIRE!!!”

Best way to learn a language, I learned 2 languages to a fluent level by gooning anki. I used it for college courses too. Yes it's boring but very efficient so if you don't use it you're dumb.

>>718641778 (OP)
>Untranslated visual novel
so porn
its all porn

>>718642167
Best way is having a friend who speaks it.
Anyway, Anki it is.

>>718642780
surprisingly, porn VN's are the quickest ones to get translated

I’ve never hated pronouns so much until I started learning spanish

>>718642167
>gooning anki
I'm sorry, what?

>>718642167
I learned 8 languages to fluent thanks to anki

>>718642167
you can't get fluent from using Anki. it's just vocab grind out of context

>>718643409
Fuck languages with randomized noun genders

>>718643671
Bullshit. Maybe 1 fluently

>>718643546
it means to do extremely long anki sessions with many new words/sentences a day, like gooning

>>718641778 (OP)
>Yo
>fire
Get out of here, Zoomer.

I've been back on anki for about a month after a long lapse, I hope I can stick with it this time.

>>718641778 (OP)
Chatgpt is great actually
Was, reallly
now you need to pay to upload images
ugh

>anki
ngmi

https://djtguide.neocities.org/kana/

I wish there was a site like this but for some of the most common kanji. I’m aware memorization wouldn’t be sustainable after a certain level, but I feel like it would be a help

>>718643836
none fluently

>>718644445
you're not gonna make it if you don't use anki

>>718644502
There is a website for 2k Kanji where you can type them in, it's called wanikani.

>>718644578
pfffffffffff

>still remember the peak of my anki drone days doing 2+ hours every single day
I was a fool and should have listened

>>718641778 (OP)
bruh, all the better coom VNs have been MTL'd at this point. I get MTL is dogshit, but it's enough to get context out of it and certainly better than not being able to read it at all.
shit dawg, remember VNR? that shit was MTL but it was slow as fuck. at least we got text replacement now

>>718644696
that's what got you to your current level but you'll retcon that it was a waste of time and you didn't need it

>>718644761
>and certainly better than not being able to read it at all.
It's really not. Better to wait until something gets a solid TL or until you're good enough than butcher your first experience with a subpar MTL.

>>718644578
>t. nigga who thinks the JLPTs actually mean something

>>718642167
How the fuck do I set this up? The guide is woefully out of date and most of the plugins are broken.

>>718644912
Oh wait you were talking about "coom VNs", in that sense yeah it's whatever if it's good enough for you to coom that's fine I guess. Personally it's honestly a boner killer to have shitty writing even in nukige.

>>718644593
Phenomenally better than anki already by giving you pictographics and words in which radicals and kanji go into

>>718643891
sometimes i wonder i posts like these truly are just bait or if millennials larping as boomers really are this fucking retarded

Is there anything like jisho but J to J, or do I just stick to Jisho + Yomitan + google for J definitions?

>>718641778 (OP)
Is using this shit seriously the only decent way to learn japanese vocab
I wanted to get back into learning but its so fucking boring

anyone know if anki is any good for russian or if i should use some different kind of resource for russian learning? not a zigger at all btw, just interested in russian history and culture. should i just immerse myself in russian childrens media or something, maybe? not interested in replies calling me a faggot or zigger or whatever ill just hide those

>>718645047
I started with it, but then dropped at ~20th level. I think Anki is better. You can add whatever you want to your cards. You can have sentence cards mixed with words card and kanji cards, each of them having unique back sides specific for the card type. Also, newer schedulers.

>>718644593
>subscription
cringe

>>718644761
I agree. MTL is good enough. But you always got jap learners telling you that youll miss out on jap prose. Like really nigga? Im just trying to get thru a coom game, not relive reading shakespeare

>>718645203
gay

>>718645242
Not really.
Just read this
what the fuck does sexualization mean next to torture?

my autism is peaked

>>718642167
And here come the retards pretending that flash cards are some insane new idea.

>>718645182
If I were to learn russkie I'd just learn how to read cyrillic, small amount of grammar and started hitting my head against the big wall of varied content, same as English I guess.
Imo should be much easier than Japanese to bruteforce, but maybe it's just me being retarded. I couldn't read Jap at all until grinding through KKLC memorizing most readings.

>>718645047
WaniKani is literally just flash cards but exclusively for Kanji and with zero customization. Anki is flashcards for anything you want.

>>718645323
Rape, sex abuse, gaping your scphinter for the lulz. Are you even trying?

I understand MTL is not perfect and requires the users brain to make instant corrections. But i have trouble with people who think MTL isnt good enough because its not professional quality that requires them to stop and look at the context for a moment

>>718645093
goo.ne.jp

>>718645464
It's incredibly fucking simple. I got it down by listening to this song for fuck's sake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJNxNeg5_aQ

This is also a good beginner way to help memorize it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olQh39MoJsQ

>>718645093
No, the Japanese have no concept of dictionaries.

>>718643825
You learn all the words and then practice speaking to git gud at grammar.

Grammar isn't as difficult as knowing the words.

>>718642167
fpbp

>>718645530
犯 would have the word for rape
so it wouldn't come out as "sexualization"

Mortician showed me how bad I truly am.

>>718645590
You get it down pretty easy if you watch Japanese subtitled anime and look into の, に, は, and も

>>718645175
>Is using this shit seriously the only decent way to learn japanese vocab
>I wanted to get back into learning but its so fucking boring
Yes. You need to learn about 20,000 Japanese words to have a good understanding. No other way to do that except anki. Keep in mind it will take probably 1500 hours to learn the language so if you decide to learn Japanese first ask yourself if it's worth 1500 hours of your time. To put that in context, it's about 2 hours a day over 2 years.

>>718645669
I dont have to explain that theres many ways to sexually toture someone without comiting rape. But i have to explain it to you because, like you said, your autism has caused you to hyper fixate on this, you are overthinking it, and have convinced yourself you are correct.

Look at the context, dudes a slave driver for sex trafficking ring. Gee i wonder what mischief they are up to?

>>718641778 (OP)
It's so fucking fast. Flash cards are OP.
If I had this shit in high school I would've had even less excuses for being stupid.
>it's boring
It's legitimately like 20x faster than all those stupid attempts at gamification who cares if it's not giving you Bird Points to Level Up.

>>718645879
>have convinced yourself you are correct.
and you have your head up your ass, anon
cope, seethe, and dilate

>>718645879
>Look at the context
MTL doesn't really consider context.

How do you practice grammar alone?
It isn't sticking to me without practice.

>>718645871
>You need to learn about 20,000 Japanese words to have a good understanding
Are you using one of those silly decks that counts every conjugated word individually.

>>718645978
For that you just read.

>>718646024
>counts every conjugated word individually
How else do you learn verb conjugation?

>>718645182
Anki can be used whenever you feel you need flashcards to memorize something. you could use it to memorize the alphabet for starters, you could also memorize some basic vocab to get started, but try to start reading and listening to simple stuff as soon as you can so you get more context and idiom. learning a language is just getting a ton of input from reading and listening until it sinks in, while doing some grammar study to help, and eventually practice speaking when it's finally possible to string something together naturally

this wouldn't be simple to start with but these Easy Russian and similar channels are pretty good for getting a lot of content of people speaking normally, you can probably find lots of other stuff on youtube too
https://www.youtube.com/@EasyRussianVideos/videos

>>718644990
Is this bait or a real question

>>718645965
Thats why YOU the reader considers context when mtl doesnt make sense. But i get thats too much to ask from the people taking years to learn jap.

>>718642167
Currently using it to study for an anatomy exam. It's tomorrow, hope I'll make it :<

>>718646024
Japanese conjugation is not hard and is pretty regular. Try learning Italian conjugation including all the irregular verbs and passato remoto forms. It was maddening.

>>718646086
learn the base word and the conjugations? lmao are you making cards for 見る 見て 見ろ etc?

>>718645590
>and then practice speaking to git gud at grammar
lol lets hear your japanese on vocaroo

>>718645405
Anon didn't say that albeit. Anki is just a very practical and efficient way to make and study with flashcards.
In many cases, you can just download a premade deck and get studying right away.
Med school students use it too, it's not just for learning languages.

I've tried to learn japanese but it's overwhelming to memorize vocab and read grammar books

Trying to learn Korean for my gf, really need to lock in on my Anki usage

all anki really does is help you memorise readings of kanij
for everything else you just need to get massive amounts of input doing fun things like playing video games in japanese

>>718646024
Even if you cut out all conjugated versions, you're still going to have at least like 15k words to learn, that's just what it takes to learn a language.

>>718646130
I'm serious. Anki setup via the guide is a bit too complicated.

>>718646418
nta but you dont need cards for all of them
you can learn words without anki you know lol

I understand using this for Jap/Chink, but why would anyone use it for a language that doesn't have chinese characters? I've always thought it was a waste of time for regular words and it's better to just read more

>>718646024
ah, yes
my favorite words
犯して
犯したい
犯しない
犯させる
犯しられる
i'm pretty sure there's some important rule i butchered with those last three because of the す/し grammar rule or something I feel like I'm forgetting

>>718646412
and how am I supposed to play games in japanese and understand anything? translating every line takes too long

>>718646382
just talk korean with her at home, holy shit

>>718646484
it takes long in the beginning but gets faster and faster the more you do it

>>718646454
>you can learn words without anki you know lol
If you live in Japan sure you can. If not, good luck with that. You gonna learn the language from reading Naruto?

>>718646548
This nigga is learning the entire language in anki without watching/reading anything

>>718646548
i learned tons of words without ever adding them to anki on my way to n1 while living in europe
doing things like playing video games and listening to podcasts for natives and reading etc

Why japs hate English so much?
Especially speaking.

>>718646484
>translating every line takes too long
You're not supposed to translate.

>>718646603
>doing things like playing video games and listening to podcasts for natives and reading etc
This is extremely inefficient unless you mean taking words you see from these things and adding them to anki, which obviously you should do.

>>718646610
No need to learn it because everything is in japanese and they don't travel outside japan. Kinda the same reason frogs are terrible at it

>>718646647
then how am I supposed to learn if I don't understand any of the moonrunes on screen?

>>718646687
not if you understand the word the first time you see it which happens a lot if you get good input

>>718646483
Yeah it's
>犯さない
>犯される
For negative and passive

>>718646418
>at least 15k words
No, it's 6k.
JLPT N1 only tests expects 2k.

Shit, anon, for English they only test 3k for JP to ENG teachers (so more than most) and 8k is considered native fluency. 15k is absurd, where'd you even get these numbers.

>>718646775
>JLPT N1 only tests expects 2k.

>Study a core deck
>80% done
>ok maybe I'll try a game for children
>have to look up kanji literally in the first sentence
Fuck this shit. I'm also not learning Anki's syntax in order to mine or whatever.

>>718646804
N1 tests only expect 2k.
Sorry babe, my bad.

>>718646268
頑張って、アノンさん

>>718646418
You get a bunch of words for free or low effort too, like ケーキ.

>>718646484
Replay a game, but in Japanese.

>>718646775
Surely you mean 2k kanji, not words.
Even in English something like 20k vocab means being barely literate.
Got a cool captcha btw

>>718646835
2k kanji, not words

>>718646610
for the same reason people don't learn japanese
the fuck, is this?
sounds, so many
why talk like this?
like this, we talk
speak this, i do not
ハべイトインヂスワクエタス
>>718646736
See, I know I was forgetting and fucking up something. Thanks, anon.
Reminds me of when to use an instead of a

>>718646775
n1 is more like 10k
besides its not a very high bar
pretty much anything media for natives is beyond n1 if you truly want to understand it

>>718641778 (OP)
You just need 6 months of grinding to be able to read without problem

>>718646412
Input without knowing any vocab is torture

>>718646484
that's when it might be helpful to use Anki just to grind some basic vocab to start with. you can also read graded readers. I downloaded a level 0 graded reader in Ask Publishing's Nihongo Yomu Yomu Bunko series and this is how simple it is at the beginning.

>>718646703
You can understand a lot of sentences without understanding what every word means. Sometimes you can understand while knowing zero words. And then your brain can work backwords and get the meaning of the word. That's what happened when you learned your first language.

what am I supposed to practice on if I don't want to read or watch anything in japanese?

>>718646918
"learning" vocab in anki is much less fun imho

>>718646980
Why are you learning it if you don't care

>>718646904
True. You're probably gonna understand like 90% of a normal VN (not a moenukige) with N1. The rest you will have to mine and learn. Speaking from experience.

>>718646980
ASMR/Podcasts

>>718646980
i recently branched off language and started using it to teach myself math.

>>718646954
>Sometimes you can understand while knowing zero words.
Not with a language like Japanese

>>718646483
>>718646736
Rape
want to rape
don't rape
let/made to rape
can rape
what wonderful words

>>718647138
If a girl is gesturing towards her mouth and licking the air with her tongue before she says お願い, can you tell what that means?

>>718641778 (OP)
Does anyone use this for anything other than language learning or med school?

>>718647197
rape?

>>718647197
needs water

>>718647197
Literally can be anything, lmao.

>>718647214
I used it to memorize names and faces at my job.

>>718647138
meh i watched a fair bit of anime without subs back when i just started and going back now almost 8 years later and rewatching i still remember some of the plot points

i lived in japan for 2 years and basically got fluent from 0
friend has been doing anki since like 10 years and may as well be a fucking beginner kek

>>718647308
Full immersion is the best way to learn
but it would be so goddamn awkward, especially if you're brown

>>718647158
>犯せさせられる

honestly i picked up all the basics from anime without any study
ohio gozaimas
arigatoe
do itashimas
the rest is japanglish anyways

so what games are actually good for japanese learning?

>>718647308
i mean no matter what you do 2 years from 0 you are still going to be pretty shit in the grand scheme of things

>>718647308
>basically got fluent
read it
https://vocaroo.com/

>>718647440
Games that can keep you motivated to keep going.

>>718647214
it's good for anything that needs memorization
like for example, if you're learning a musical instrument, you could use anki to memorize the hand positions for chords

>>718647372
that's the one

>>718647348
japanese people are very friendly anon
they will talk with any foreigner especially in an izakaya setting

>>718647308
vocaroo

>>718647440
You can hook yakuza with agent so that if you like it

You study japanese to goon, I do it because I enjoy it

>>718647509
What if I do both?
I have unironically masturbated to the character 尻 because of what it represents

>>718641778 (OP)
>>718641778 (OP)
>>718641778 (OP)
>>718641778 (OP)
Does anyone have the learn Japanese resource?

Also is anyone else getting 120 second captcha times?

>>718647509
I do it because masculine japanese men are hot and I want to talk with them

>>718647440
besides VNs, RPGs with furigana
pokemon is a popular one

>>718647440
Rance 03

>>718647605
faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag

>>718647579
https://donkuri.github.io/learn-japanese/
https://learnjapanese.moe/
https://github.com/donkuri/japanese-resources

>>718647498
>犯せさせられよう
>犯せさせられてましょう

>>718647579
みんなの日本語 + slight anki when you are beginner while listening to native content as much as possible, mix of anime + japanese podcasts from youtube
then transition into slight anki + pure immersion

What's the least meme core deck?

>>718647694
Kaishi. The core decks are old and have a bunch of useless vocab for beginners
https://github.com/donkuri/Kaishi

>>718647579
Old /djt/ guide:
https://kenrick95.github.io/itazuraneko/

>>718647653
now you're just showing off

>>718647459
nta but at least post something without all those words that need furigana
https://voca.ro/1fJufmul3TLy

>>718647459
The only thing I couldn't remember was the reading of 修さめる though the meaning is obvious from context

I’m nearly finishing metaphor, but the font and menu design style are pure ass.

>>718647605
Based homodachi
I think all types of jap men are cute tho

>>718647765
not a vocaroo

>>718641778 (OP)
at least you're not learning German
https://faculty.georgetown.edu/jod/texts/twain.german.html

>>718647828
why bother learning german?
they know english already

Kanjis are retarded
I know they exist because japanese has very limited phonetics, but that's retarded too
koreans also started from chinese, but they actually made a functional language without relying on china's retarded system with thousands of different symbols to memorize

>>718647850
to read mein craft in original

>>718647764
Actually good accent

>>718644761
I don't think I'll ever get tired of brainlets going "look, it's translated, what's the point?". You could take the best human translation, or a magical AGI translation that gives you TL notes on every other word, and neither would be in any way comparable to the original text.

>>718647858
Only a beginner has this opinion. You'll come to appreciate kanji eventually.

>>718647764
You sound and talk like a woman with those sissy little giggles.

So I've learned basic grammer, all the kana, and have studied Anki for a while.
Am I just supposed to start reading stuff and translating words I don't know and just try to piece the meaning of sentences together? That's kinda what I've been doing before translating the full sentences the text hooked pulls to see if my reading matches, but I always get tripped up on some stuff that I don't think I could have ever guessed like ため息をつく

>>718647858
Japan has been working away from Kanji for most of their existence
they just always fall back on it instead of outright replacement because having an entire generation change how they read would be a lot of work

>>718641778 (OP)
this or RTK or both?

>>718647878
thanks i would have struggled less on something without all those weird nerd words though

>>718647858
There are upsides, such as aesthetic value and more info that fits in less space, but imo it's just Japanese culture of being averse to change, don't let weaboos convince you that kanjis are superior

>>718647907
that's sunken cost cope
a writing system with thousands of characters is fundamentally flawed, and learning it becomes way more time consuming than it should be

>>718647858
The sheer amount of words and idioms in regular use is worse. Kanji you just recognize eventually which is what they're for.

>>718647930
Korea removed it from the school curriculum which killed it, then they tried to go back to it decades later and it was effectively impossible to learn all that and teachers themselves didn't know it so they gave up.

>>718647930
No they haven't lmao
Kanji is absolutely vital for a smooth reading experience

I'm ashamed to admit I've been reading a Fate/Stay Night fanfic translated entirely by Chat GPT

>>718647858
>but they actually made a functional language without relying on china's retarded system
They still need it for higher education and medicine/research because that's what the language was originally built around

>>718648053
Hiragana and Katakana both came from the inability for people to read Kanji and it simplification.

>>718647828
Literally me in college. I had to choose between this and french and I only chose the former because everyone was going to start from 0.
Gave up on it on my last year and only did the minimum to pass my class. Japanese grammar is much more straightforward (so far) than German it's not even funny.

>>718647858
Chinese characters still have one big benefit; it insulates culture, makes it harder to penetrate for outsiders and vice versa.

Another big benefit is discipline. Kanji institutes this characteristics in young Japanese schoolchildren with how lengthy and difficult it is to master and memorize.

>>718648123
don't most japs actually forget them?

>>718647764
>やっちゃった
ww
pretty clean japanese, doesnt sound native but who cares

>>718648101
Reading text without kanji is a lot harder because you need to constantly think about which meaning that word is supposed to have, plus natural spacing. It's like reading the retarded isekai katakana names but all the time

>>718648172
give me something normal to read or do one yourself

>>718648123
This is about right yeah. The typical problem young people have is that they don't realize just how much effort is required for fucking everything.

>>718648206
first stop souding like a woman

>>718648101
Didn't it start because people are lazy and who wants to write 部 instead of へ everywhere

>>718647579
You can’t learn Japanese

Are radicals actually worth learning, going through a deck for them and it seems pretty worthless compared to just coming up with your own mnemonics system.

>>718648240
>部
that sounds fucking painful

>>718648179
Pokemon games have (very) different scripts for kana and kanji versions in case you didn't know:) Very smart of them.

>>718648232
ok i did that

>>718642241
No different than Latin

>>718648243
After going through radicals to lookup kanji in manga raws, I have no need for such things.

>>718648101
They came from shorthand and reforms to make the prole language more readable for them.

The first real Japanese language was manyogana based. Until that point they only had kanbun, which was essentially translating Chinese. Manyogana is what was eventually simplified to modern kana, and kana has always lived alongside kanji.

english is as hard as japanese
all of your perspectives are skewed because japanese is phonetically very different from english
to a japanese speaker english is fucking muri

>>718648303
Latin is actually fucking useless

>>718648123
Neither of these are true, you can learn 95% of all kanji you'll ever encounter by frequency in 3 months. 99% in 6.

>>718648425
This. How the fuck are you supposed to figure out how to pronounce words like "nation", "women" and "enough"? At least kanji often give hints at how it's supposed to be pronounced.

>>718648243
they may have been useful in the days of having to look up words in japanese dictionaries, but these days there's ocr and writing out the kanji in google translate that can find it for you.

>>718648474
depends on your definition of learning

>>718648434
Latin fucked who?

>>718648425
elite bait
any language that allows you to learn its alphabet and dive into content consumption is simpler than autistic grind of billion different characters

>>718648484
you just memorize, unironically
same for radical bullshit
a lot of languages have some kind of logic but they also have shit ton of random shit that you just know how it works cause your brain just figured it out in due time

also most of english sounds dont exist in japanese
and japanese are retarded when it comes to understanding slightly different pronounciations, you can pronounce 99% correct and they wont understand you which is especially true for loan words, good luck saying shit like caramel or bar, you will say it but they wont get it

I finished JLAB's listening deck the other day, what's next? should i just do kaishi 1.5k next? i'm already trying to read and listen to things on my own, also i don't really like the idea of mining, i don't have much free time each day

>>718648605
uhh language easy cause uhh i anki and memorize

>>718648832
>i don't have much free time each day
ngmi

>>718648660
It's good that Japanese is a very logical language.
it's just fucking kanji makes things way harder

>>718648832
everybody has equal 24 hours per day
you consensually choose what to do, man up and start mining all day and you will make it too

>>718647736
>1500 words
That sounds a bit lacking but it is the starting point I guess.

>>718648660
>you can pronounce 99% correct and they wont understand you
Well that's not totally true, there's a tonne of retarded dialects in JP everyone understands.
>which is especially true for loan words
Oh, yeah, just forget the English/Foreign pronunciation. You get the hang of it.
Makes it funny seeing redditors just to play cultured correcting people pronouncing Tokyo in English - like man they don't give a fuck how the original language pronounces anything in Japanese.

if i learn 10 words a day how many days will it take me to get fluent?
like a year?

>>718647665
What constitutes pure immersion?

>>718648998
being in japan

gonna need some more vocaroos

What is even the point of learning when translation tools are so easy to use now

>>718648998
Set every device to japanese, avoid english like the plague and force your parents/SO to speak only in japanese.

>>718649053
Destroys the pacing and makes the writing much shittier.

>>718648982
no i mean speaking loanwords in japanese
chances are when you say karemeru or ba they will have no clue because your pronunciation is 0.1% off
saying loan words in native way is the hardest thing to do in japanese

do all dekiru anons live in japan and live their dream lives

>>718648425
I'm ESL and I have a 9 in IELTS. I learned English only through Osmosis since I was around 13. I didn't know what words like "Vowel" or "syllable" or "adjective and so on mean until very recently, but I could communicate like a native and write long, sophisticated essays and understand classic English literature effortlessly. No one taught me. I reached fluency within only 3-4 years.
I've been learning Japanese recently and I think I will never be fluent in it. It's complexity is vast because of the Chinese characters. I plan on learning a 4th language once I finish reading RTK.

>>718647953
Can someone answer this?

>>718649119
reading place names is much harder
>>718649121
i do

>>718641778 (OP)
I'm learning Japanese so I can read peak literature that normal translators are too pussy to touch.

>>718649187
why is she saying sorry
i can't understand the fucking kanji
goddammit
i hate kanji

>>718649134
>9 in IELTS
nobody cares
same as N1 japanese
both are shit, my japanese uni mates had ielts 7-8 band and they couldnt talk for shit almost lol
also yeah, if you immerse and learn a language naturally you will never know what some grammar points are or what some stuff are called cause you just know them

do retards really learn japanese just to read shitty manga and watch anime untranslated lmaooo

>>718649187
The only thing NTR peaks at is being shit.

>>718649298
Yes

any recommended manga and games with baby tier jap text?

>>718649298
it is specific to 4chan
all of those untranslated shit are bad, most of translated ones are too anyways
also 99% of translated stuff are more than fine

>>718649331
mario world hitting all the textboxes
mario 64 reading all the signs

>>718649264
>>718649302
He niceboated the cheating nypho GF.

>>718641778 (OP)
I only wanted to learn how to say naughty words like any red-blooded man would so I started slacking when I could recognize ロリまんこ at a glance.

>>718649331
yotsuba
you wont understand shit as it is actually japanese though, which has lots of casual speech
its not the baby mode retarded text book japanese that is actually fake and not real

>>718649265
In my life as a casual student of English to mastering it, I've never seen an English exam that tests someone's English fluency like IELTS does. It's the only one that does it correctly, actually.

>>718649339
i have enjoyed many things that dont have translations

>>718649401
hara kiri

Speaking of language, I've noticed the amount of posts not capitalizing "I" have increased. What's with that?

>>718649459
it is just lazy text stop thinking too much

>>718649459
laziness

>>718648925
>>718648865
>i'm a neet failure so you should be a neet failure too
sorry anons i got stuff to do

I finished the 1.5 core deck, but I have a problem spotting the words I learned out in the wild.
When I see a word in Anki I compare what I'm seeing with what I know is in the deck. When I see a kanji in the wild, then I know that it can be anything. This is because I only know the general shape

>>718649573
i didnt make the rules
this shit takes forever so if you dont have a lot of time to dedicate to it you will never make it

>>718649614
maybe try writing then?

>>718649614
I used the plugin that randomizes fonts every time, helped me a lot.

>>718649614
>I only know the general shape
its normal
anki anons can only know the meaning in anki
they will never understand in natural contexts they will need to think 10 years to remember or just outright dekinai
should have immersed kek

>>718648425
It's literally 26 letters
You can read any word within like a week of learning
I've been studying Japanese for 5+ years and I still see words where I have no idea how to pronounce it/what it could mean in any way

>>718649629
listen, i don't care about some arbitrary "ngmi/gmi/dekinai" stuff from /jp/ schizo daily. i just want to learn stuff. that's what i asked about, not anyone's opinion about someone's living habits

if you have the time and brain power to learn japanese, you have the time and brain power to learn a more useful skill

>>718649748
arbitrary

>>718649739
Don't bother asking for advice on Jap here, all you get are N5 level doomers with a crab bucket mentality
Best resources to study are the ones you actually WILL continue to study in the long run

>>718649614
I never ever fully forget a word like that. I will sometimes blank on a word, but I know 100% of the time whether I have an existing card for it or not.
I never, for instance, go to add a word only to find that I've already reviewed it 20 times. Literally never.
If that's happening, you're either way ahead of me, or you've got your anki set incorrectly.

>>718649748
Who decides the usefulness of said skill?

>>718645323
Chat GPT to the rescue!

A human trainer belonging to Ragdoom’s human trafficking organization, the “Ranch.”
They use various drugs and torture methods, including sexual ones, to break both body and spirit. They are professionals at training slaves, and once you fall into their hands, there is no escaping your fate.
Their combat ability is not particularly high, but if you let your guard down, you’ll be instantly burned to ashes by their searing red-hot iron.

>>718649842
post n1 score or vocaroo

>>718649494
>>718649505
>Shift+i is too much work
Alright.

>>718649875
when you're 50 you wont be saying
>i really wish i read more stupid visual novels
there's something else you'll be wishing you did more of

>>718649842
well, what i want to do ultimately is gloat about my jap proficiency to strangers
but also just read manga and watch anime, i don't think i'll ever go to japan, but maybe i'll read 2chan or something?
i'll keep trying to read then, for now

>>718649951
Such as?

>>718649104
Fixed with LLM translations that translate it with the context intact.
Old shitty MTL are dogshit but modern LLM can translate just fine

>>718649951
like posting on /v/

>>718649748
i already have all the "useful" skills i want to in life

>>718649875
Your employer, i.e. the person you sell your labor power to in exchange for the means of subsistence.

>>718649987
idk. but i know for a fact it wont be visual novels or learning japanese

>>718649951
i have no ambition or passion for life
i exist for dopamine rushes from gaming or masturbating
my desires to breed are purely for the pleasure of sex, companionship, and existential instinct
every turn i've taken has gone wrong and i don't care anymore

i'm moving to an entirely different state and i don't care if i go broke and die there at this point

>>718650015
So I have to learn skills that can only be useful in a work environment?

>>718650046
>idk anything but you're wrong lol
ok cool thanks

>>718650070
I don't understand. Are you not thrilled to devote more of your life than you already have to increasing shareholder value?

Unironically this: >>718643140
Making Japanese friends in real life was a turbo charger for my Japanese skills.

>>718642780
何れ何もかもが性欲に基づく

>>718650069
how old are you

>>718649951
Nothing in life is going to be that fulfilling. You're not going to 50 and going "I wish I had flown my helicopter more" or "I wish I had spent more time learning my trade than what I just needed to get the job" either.
Learning a second language is not a bad use of time. The time will pass regardless.

>>718650147
mid twenties

>>718649298
watching and understanding anime without subs is a million times more enjoyable, imagine not depending on a tiny blurb of text throughout a video

>>718650186
they have virgin chad memes now
how horrifying

>>718650173
way too young to have given up already.

>>718650230
My brother pointed a fake gun I didn't know was one that looked real at the back of my head and made me beg for my life.

I died ages ago, anon

>>718649426
this shit brings back memories

>>718649937
you need to be autistic to actually give a shit about this

>start reading youtsuba cause "that's the easiest one anon"
>it isn't but i like youtsuba
>someone says something
>uses a kanji for that thing
>yotsuba repeats it
>uses full kana because she's a dumb kid and can't understand it
amazing. to imagine i missed nuances like this all this time.

>>718650281
I was this way and got fixed by a vtuber, maybe try that.
Protip: don't sexually harass her like all the other chatters do.

>>718650297
no way i never thought anyone would recognize it
top 5 vn for me honestly

>>718650164
it varies from person to person i guess. if i could go back and time and replace 80% of the time i spent watching anime with playing the piano or something i would. most of it was trash but i watched it anyway because i was a seasonal fag

>>718650408
>i was a seasonal fag
there's your problem

>>718650147
I’m that guy but mid thirties
What now

>>718642780
Yes but I Ctrl skip through 99% of porn scenes. VNs are the only medium that have blood related sibling romance that's longer than at most a couple H-manga volumes so for people like me who have this particular fetish there's no choice but to learn Japanese.

>>718650524
I can appreciate the dedication to your fetish

One day I’ll find more porn with woman on their period

>>718642167
Ok, I'm getting into anki now for japanese, but I honestly don't see how one can spend the majority of their time in it for learning a language.
Like, take Kanji. For now doing a 1.5k deck, but so far I spend the least on Anki a day. I just kinda go through my deck, press "ok" when I kinda get it in like 30 minutes, but if I actually want to solidify any of the shit I usually learn how to write it down, stroke order/ use programs to actually test it instead of flashcards (like Kakugo) and each kanji becomes much more recognizable.
Do you mean you just really just forgo that and keep adding more and more vocab a day? Also, with how Anki is designed, would you always have to go on top after "completing" a set?

>>718650281
if you're still alive, you can still seek fulfillment. if you want to that is. if there's a small part of you that wants a better life try to listen to it. a good way to tell is to get to the edge of a building or bridge. if you can jump without hesitation then you really are done. if there's a part of you that doesnt wanna jump then you owe it to that aprt to continue to try to live a better life

>study and learn some jap phrases
>get some cute jap tourists at work and try to use the phrases I learn
>they laugh and keep trying to swipe their card to end the interaction
You guys can’t imaging the cringe and awkwardness I felt

>>718650408
Only using it for junk you don't even like is probably not the best use of time.
Pianos a common one for what I hear people wish they had gone and learned instead but like, how many times a day would you really be belting out piano tunes, only use of a skill is how much you intend to use it.
The helicopter thing wasn't just out of my ass - I got my aviation certs/RPL and I've flown maybe 4 times in 6 years, complete fucking waste of time.

But going back to play PC98 games has been great for my artfaggot tendencies.

>>718650481
rope

>>718650617
Anki is for after you get over the initial hump of telling basic kanji apart, just like it's for after you learn hiragana and katakana.
People endlessly debate how to achieve "telling kanji apart," and how much time to devote to it, but not doing that first is going to cause massive problems once you're elbow-deep into a vocab deck and they're all still squiggly lines to you.

So you either take one of the core deck variants as a basis from like day 3, or you take a few weeks to study kanji in isolation. No need to do all of RTK like the old days, but maybe the first couple grades of Joyo kanji would be helpful, just giving each Kanji a name so you can recognize it later.
Studying radicals and giving them names is also helpful. Lots of ways to do it, but the key is to not get bogged down for months and months without learning a single real word of Japanese.

>>718650164
>play loli game
>life is fulfilling
skill issue on your part.

>>718650732
This is a better life. Whatever happens happens.

おやすみ /djv/

>>718650797
what u tell them?
also if u were handsome this wouldnt happen

ok I'll start reading また、同じ夢を見ていた as my first book instead of anime today

>>718651036
Too old.

>>718651036
>hanako: i am 14 years old! second grade middle school
did i get that right?

>>718650859
>how many times a day would you really be belting out piano tunes, only use of a skill is how much you intend to use it.
well I actually am an amateur musician with some songs ive composed myself that i'm quite proud of. i even go into the production side of things and i love ryuichi sakamoto, he's ,my inspiration. rip. but yeah I guess I was just projecting. you wanna learn japanese and read VNs, more power to you. i like anime, i just watched a bunch of bullshit out of routine.
>But going back to play PC98 games has been great for my artfaggot tendencies.
based. do you actually have one or do you emulate

>>718650472
yeah that was the problem

>>718651335
Well hey, anon, it's not too late to grab a midi keyboard and spend a while practicing scales in a DAW, I know a fair few people who started fairly late.

And just emulation lol. Prices on PC98s skyrocketed to the 1k+ level and are only just starting to come back down to the 600s, so I'll probably wait to Christmas to grab one. Kinda need one because like maybe 60% of titles even work with emulators. Had a friend in the states who had one which was fun.

>>718651594
it certainly isnt too late to boot it back up and finish some old projects heh. haven't touched it in a few years.
>so I'll probably wait to Christmas to grab one.
be careful, there's some on the market that are counterfeited or bricked.
>Kinda need one because like maybe 60% of titles even work with emulators.
was totally unaware of this. why don't they all work? are the emulators not 1:1 with the hardware

>>718651951
>why don't they all work? are the emulators not 1:1 with the hardware
Well you know, it's like the old Dreamcast or Xbox emulator scene, there's a few attempts that get a few games working and then they get bored. Even the "best" one when dead a decade ago now, Neko Project 2. And then it gets forked and each fork is like one step forward two steps back.
By like the old Dreamcast or Xbox scene, where they went dead for 20 years before suddenly getting Flycast and Xemu, who knows, never know when there'll be a new one out of the blue.

And I'll be careful, cheers anon, have a good one.

294 replies in an hour what's going on here

>>718649748
I calculated that I'll be saving about $300 an hour learning jap to migrate to Japan. What's fun and makes $300 an hr

>>718653035
>Thread is 4 hours old

>>718642241
>THE STATISTICS SAY THAT J-J-JAPAN'S POPULATION WILL BE FULLY GONE IN BAJILLION YEARS IF NOTHING CHANGES AIIIEEEEEEEE
This is the same as freaking out about the sun exploding in 6 billion years

>>718642241
we should all learn chinese, indian and spanish

>>718648434
No it's not. You can write cool sounding lyrics.

I've started reading untraslated vn a few days ago. I've finished Fatal Twelve, クダンノフォークロア and ふたなり潜入捜査セイカ-. Today I will start everalasting flowers, after that 魔法少女ノ魔女裁判. Then maybe Aokana.

None of you will ever be Japanese.

>>718646687
>This is extremely inefficient
Anki provides fake memories that will not stay with you. You will not remember the times when you were rifling through thousands of Anki cards pretending to learn.
But see/hear a word once in the wild in a memorable context, and it's with you forever.
Your "efficiency" is a meme when there's a lot more to words than just seeing a dictionary definition or even a screenshot of where you saw it.
Do not fall for the 疑心暗記.

>>718654703
i associate きれいお尻 with branding because of a raw manga page by ran of a virgin godess getting a slave brand on her lucious ass

>>718654443
oh no!
とにかく

>>718647459
>that anon never got back to this
Lmao, just goes to show how many faggots larp in threads like these

who's got resources for Okinawan Japanese

>>718643671
Only 8 huh? I already mastered over 10. Ngmi kiddo.

>>718649134
>>718647953
RTK is what I credit for my ability to read Japanese novels. It worked wonderfully for me.

>>718651251
very based dev because there's always a cute tiny heroine

>>718654443
You say that like it's a bad thing.

>>718643825
>it's just vocab grind out of context
Who says you can only make single-word cards?

>>718658620
i'm a doyen in 20, lil bro

>>718642167
You're like /v/ can't read, otherwise saying shit like this to gullible idiots like these would cause a lot of long-term emotional damage.

>>718658842
RTK is what I credit for making me give up on learning Japanese for 10 years, because it's a few months of completely worthless study that you can do nothing with at the end, all you've done is learn pointless keywords that might have nothing to do with the actual kanji.

Do kanjidamage if you think individual kanji study makes the most sense. At least then you learn readings, and when you're done you can fucking read.

>>718641778 (OP)
I'm glad that Korea started releasing decent non-gacha games lately, now I can do something useful while wasting time gaming.

>>718659427
I don't get the idea of individual useless kanji study. You just look at the kanji in vocab, and then when you get a similar you just look for the difference and go "oh that's the difference". You don't need a whole separate course on telling pictographs apart, just fucking look at them.

>>718652323
Dreamcast and Xbox barely have any worthwhile exclusives, anyway.
No wonder Dolphin is probably the biggest emulator right now.

>>718650230
>way too young to have given up already.
If you haven't made anything of yourself and have no hobbies or skills under your belt by your mid 20s, it's pretty easy to give up. I've been trying to learn Jap lately and knowing that I wont be good at it until my mid-late 30s at the very least makes it all feel pretty fucking bleak. I regret every life choice that's led me to this point.

>>718654703
Mongoloid pic. You use left to be able to make the bare minimum amount of sense from right and then there you go.

>>718659427
It's not worthless at all, and you cover a ton of ground with it.

One of the most difficult things for a learner of kanji that's not Chinese (or to a lesser degree Korean) is that when you are learning a character, you are typically learning
1. its meaning
2. one reading
3. another reading (plus more if it has situational uses)
4. this glyph that you don't really understand how to parse

Heisig targets the hardest part of this, the glyph, and gives you a comprehensive system for working through them that builds into a fast, efficient system for you to incorporate more characters as you work through it. By the end, you can easily parse, categorize, and mostly even understand their meaning (with some notable exceptions).

Once that, literally the hardest part of reading a kanji is in the bag, the rest comes easy. It's amazing how quickly you burn through vocabulary, and it's worth every minute invested if you're actually serious about engaging with written Japanese beyond children's comics and VNs.

Sorry it didn't work for you.

>>718659527
It made the most sense to me 10 years ago when I started learning, if it doesn't seem like a good option to you, then great. I liked the idea of constructing a more concrete mental picture of radical buildup, even if at the end of the day it didn't add anything, it didn't hurt.

Now, there are methods you can use that absolutely will hurt you, but individual kanji study isn't one of them. It's just a longer way to get to the same place.

>>718659732
That's nice, I learned all of those things at once with a better system focused around mnemonic theory and self-creation. I don't think there's any benefit to learning half of the information and missing off the most important parts, which are reading and meaning. Learning "keyword" (which is sometimes meaning but often not) and "shape" is half the battle, then having to go away and tie keyword to meaning and reading somewhere else is fucking stupid when you could just frontload enough to get reading.

>>718659891
>a better system focused around mnemonic theory and self-creation
So...RTK with reading added in?

>>718641778 (OP)
Lol I used this in medschool. Now I'm a doctor that does nothing but cry.

>>718643409
Wait until you reach spanish tenses.
t. spanish

People like to shit on Duolingo, but the section for learning kanji is really good imo. It's so much easier to memorize a kanji when you remember the radicals and the stroke order.

>>718659427
RTK is for long-term gains.
If you can remember the kanji, you can immediately look it up with an IME and have an easier time remembering the definition.
Anki is the exact opposite, it gives you short-term gains and tries to transform those gains into long-term gains through spaced repetition.

>>718641778 (OP)
I do have a lot of nip only games, but I can't just muster the motivation to actually learn nip beyond surface level to save my life...

>posts Anki thread
>derails into weeb shit
Where are my med chads at

>>718645871
>20000
What? How are you counting those? From what I have seen most people don't even that many in their native language unless they are reading a lot of high level literature or specialised domain jargon.
For second language learners know like third of that and it's enough to understand most things you'd need.

>>718641778 (OP)
I'm about done with Ruitomo and now tossing up between Bengarachou and Saihate no Ima. Or maybe a Jeweha, for a curveball

>>718660608
>Where are my med chads at
No on 4chan kek they're being productive, saving lives, and making money

>>718643546
You only learn words like paizuri, oyakodon and nakadashi, duh.

>>718643891
Ayo what is unc tweaking about fr fr SHEEEESH XD

>>718660608
>>718661054
>mfw the anki thread on /v/ is not med school related

>>718661246
sybau ts pmo [wilted flower] [broken heart]

>>718661410
kek

People think Japanese is hard? Cute.

>>718662426
>put different words on a chart
>connect them together
for what purpose?

>>718662521
Because they're all derived from the red root word.

>>718662575
>to visit > to use > to ferment
>same source
gimme a source anon, i wanna see this

>>718662426
>untranslatable
I know that feeling

>>718662826
>how will all this end? before ten years this (something) didn't (lie?). i know how this will end: (something about a 50km belt). Only politiciansr know(...). (something) will be perfectly blocked at the background of our planet. I wasn't the only one who believed that. What projects have (been made?), what convents (something)!
can't be fucked to do any more, but it's pretty fun. never learned any czech though. or slovak, whichever this is.

>>718663183
Yeah, it's a segment of Roadside Picnic, I need to finish the morphological analysis, and really should not be on 4chan right now.

How do you guys feel about translating sound effects? I'm inclined to not bother but this doujinshi I'm working on has quite a bit in some pages, where it might sometimes feel like I haven't even done anything if I leave it be, but they're so difficult to edit...

>>718641778 (OP)
Oh wow an Anki thread, great. Where can i find a good kana deck, just hiragana and katakana, no vocabulary or kanji, just those two.

Just wanted to share this funny picture I found on x*tter. Good luck with your studies anontachi.

>>718642241
Its more AESTHETHIC than english, thats a good enough reason.

>>718663318
oh, it is, i can see the part where stalkers bring back first "batteries"
good taste anon. go read Prisoners of Power next, it's kino.

Why should I bother with learning a dying language grinding every day when AI can already translate for me?
There's already tons of content where chatgpt translated and just needed a human to make it more cohesive

>>718662426
The US Department Of State ranked the lenguages in 4 groups because obviously bilingual ability is a common part of their job. Anyway, Finish is L3, and Japanese is L4.

https://2009-2017.state.gov/m/fsi/sls/orgoverview/languages/

>>718663921
>AI can already translate for me?
>and just needed a human to
based retard

>>718663921
This, if there's one thing LLMs are actually useful for it's doing the grunt work with translations

>>718660178
>stroke order
Bro, stroke order is 2 fucking rules: left to right and up to down. You should be able to figure out the stroke order of any kanji after a seeing just a few examples.

>>718664436
LLMs aren't useful for anything, especially not misinterpreting text.

Korea figured out how to make their moon runes have sense, why can't japan

>>718664598
LLMs are extremely useful. They're just not the apocalyptic AGI that reactionaries were fearing. You will still have a job kek So many people were petrified.

>>718664831
Sure man, you just keep telling yourself that.

>>718664598
They are but the hype is overblown. They're just an improved version of search engines.

>>718664905
They're a massively worse version of search engines, they cost more power to run and give inferior results.

We're still in the delusional hype phase where everyone gets "free" access to try and drive subscriptions when the server bills need to get paid and the investments aren't still pouring in.

>>718664890
You don't find them useful or are you afraid that you will lose your job?

>>718664994
Not my problem, companies can bankrupt themselves if they want lol. once they start asking me to pay I'm dipping.

>>718663985
>french type 1
lol. lmao

>>718664998
Maybe I'll lose my job, out of my control at the moment. What's most sad about the entire thing besides the immense waste of it all is how it's laid bare exactly how low our collective standards for just about everything is.

A world where AI slop suffices for most things is already lost.

>>718665136
AI slop becoming acceptable concerns me a lot more than the job market. Stay optimistic and continue learning new skills.

>>718654703
>But see/hear a word once in the wild in a memorable context, and it's with you forever.
Very close to agreeing with you here. "Recognize" is the correct term, however. If you've been introduced to a word and are seeing it regularly, you are much, much more likely to recognize it in the wild. Fuck the other guy you're arguing with, but there is absolutely nuance here.

>>718659629
Yeah that. You need to grind a bit first to start understanding even simple texts. If you know nothing you won't have context to figure it out either. It's not very fun to not understand and starting with like actual children's picture books is not either. You want to get to something you'd enjoy at least a bit a d once you start getting it it goes form there easily.

>>718664378
>Needing 1 autistic gooner to make the grunt work of the AI into something more appealing is the same as needing a team of people fluent in the language to translate it

>>718667156
>needing a whole LLM and an autistic gooner when you could just have an autistic gooner rewrite the game for you and make it up as he goes

>>718667156
>ai doesn't need other people to do this task
>except when it does
nigger

>>718667274
Skill issue, unnironically
Should have taken a gooner LLM instead

>>718667274
Grok would have done it for you

>>718665107
it takes 6 more weeks to learn French than the other Category I languages, probably because it's harder to pronounce.
but same with Spanish surprisingly
https://www.state.gov/foreign-service-institute/foreign-language-training

>>718642167
>I learned 2 languages to a fluent level by gooning anki.
no you didn't, you memorized words and still can't communicate because you're autistic

>>718643409
wait until you join twitter

>>718667859
It's gotten better, sweaty.

>>718665252
If your job is in danger over AI then you should get a real job instead of a made up one
The fact AI slop is getting more accepted cause it's "good enough" means you're not as valuable as you think you are

Its funny how anti-aifags prove they don't know how to prompt whenever they post their fuckups.

>>718667859
>>718667946
>ERROR: We cannot translate this text as it goes against our terms of service. Your account has been flagged and repeated violations may result in account termination.

>>718668030
It's so funny how jeets insist the issue is proompting. If it was a translation, surely it'd "just werk"? Why do you need to specify every facet, that's what you'd have to do for a rewrite.

>>718667859
yeah but sometimes it actually makes sense unlike that screenshot

this is the golden age of language learning compared to when I tried in the early 2010s. there's endless stuff like this on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqFN6pdxFqg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VzSoYktkh8

>>718668114
You should be ashamed that your job can be done by some useless shitskins with a computer while you wasted time grinding a useless language

>>718668327
at least learn a useful language

>>718668549
Indians can already speak english though.

>>718668549
I'm currently learning French and Latin lol
but I'll probably go back to Japanese eventually after all the grinding I did back then

>>718660451
read Japanese the manga way, then play these, uninstall the others

>>718668843
3rd row 4th (full) column tits are hot

For the life of me I can't hear the ん sound in the words 範囲, 原因, 店員, 全員. What gives?

>>718669481
I don't know, are you retarded or something?

>>718669481
consider hearing aids

>>718669481
Important question, which ん can you not hear in 鎮魂?

Play 2236 A.D!

>>718667859
Apart from the last sentence, all of this is correct, though.

>>718667996
>If your job is in danger over AI then you should get a real job instead of a made up one
I'm not concerned about myself. I mean for all of society.

>>718669481
because it's the following + nasal sound during ー

はーい
げーいん
てーいん、てんいん
ぜーいん

if you don't know how to sort these by date you don't know japanese: 漢音、唐音、唐音

>>718670332
漢音、唐音、呉音

>>718670332
he meant to add goon cut him some slack

>>718670449
i see hmm i know gokan (後漢) was a period (can't remember when) or era but i have no idea what your words are

>>718669776
Do you have audio of a person saying this? Google translate's TTS pronounces these weird んs but actual Japs don't. They make a sort of a nasal y sound but I've heard some speech where it's literally dead silent.

>>718670625
https://voca.ro/1l60mh6AiNbf

>>718663985
I assume Chinese and Japanese is because of the effort to become literate. The actual languages are fairly simple grammatically and vocab will be just as alien as most cat 3. I suppose Chinese has tones too so there's that.
Korean uses an alphabetic script though and is it that much harder than any random exotic language to deserve getting singled out?

>>718671225
Well I hear both in this one

>>718650226
That's not the worst. I bet cavemen had virgin chad memes. Might just be a genetic thing. That's horrifying.

>App version is 25 bucks
What the shit?

>>718672024
Spit on iphone users

>>718669481
the ん sound is one of the only sounds in japanese thats pronounced differently depending where it is in the word. for the words you listed it's the third one in picrel where you make it in the back of your throat, like how in the example "pink" notice how your tongue doesn't actually hit the roof of your mouth like it would for most "n" sounds. it's just because it would be awkward to pronounce the words without a really slow "GE N IN" or something, so it turns more into "geyin"

>>718671883
you have to listen to the mora, the rhythm of a word. even if you can't hear it well, the ん takes up 1 beat like every other kana. no to mention that はんい without the ん just becomes はい and that doesn't sound remotely the same. maybe listen back and forth between those two

I'm so grateful to my younger self for choosing to learn Japanese, since it familiarized me with this software. I use it for everything and it's an incredible way to learn something new every single day without having to put much effort in or find the motivation to do it. Soon I'll have all the african capitals and the entire periodic table memorized and I've also got decks related to nordic runes, korean hangul, morse code, famous artworks, recognizable buildings and recently classical music and coding in bash.
All of this is probably inferior to reading a book, but I suck at reading and this is leagues better than doing nothing.
My favorite is the Japanese history deck I found, which has thousands of cards and is fully in japanese, so that I'm technically also immersing.

>>718643671
>8 languages
>fluent
i believe the 8 languages part, just not the fluent part

incredibly fatherless post

>>718643671
>I learned 8 languages to fluent thanks to anki
>learned to fluent
well english is not one of em i can tell you that much

>>718646980
Ultimate geography
morse code
common misconceptions.

>>718672434
this meta isn't appropriate for japanese threads outside of jp

>>718642241
English is a dying language. It won't survive another century of negrotization

>>718673114
read that as waaahwaaah i need my safe space

>>718673159
>It won't survive another century
neither will you. you're a dying man
well more like a man child but you get the idea

>>718673194
nothing wrong with needing a safe space

>>718670524
That's some complicated looking kanji in your name. You know more Japanese than anyone I've ever met.

>>718673290
lil bro's never been to an asian supermarket

>>718647308
I wish I could kill you for this.

>>718673290
He's famous in /jp/ for being one of the only people in their threads that actually know Japanese.

>>718673290
nah youd learn this one just from watching the first 5 minutes of bungo stray dogs

da samefagging off the chain rn frfr

>>718660178
>yes goy it's very good
>doesn't teach you about the 口(mouth) on the left to associate throat with mouth
>doesn't teach you that it shares a reading with the similar-looking 候 and 侯
yes, truly some great help. retard.

why do people from djt treat 4chan like a discord server and speak in ebonics and never use the reply function. if im white will can i learn japanese or do i have to be black or sea

>if im white will can i learn japanese
absolutely not

>>718673960
go to /lang/ on /int/ for white people

>>718642241
>learning a language for business like a soulless goybot instead of learning a language simply because it interests you and is fun

>>718641778 (OP)
100 fucking years later and there is still no finished To Heart 1999 english translation patch

>>718664525
>there are only 2 rules
nevermind shit like 飛, or shit like 昇, or 爽, or 金, or 座る, or 攀じる, or 粛, or 臼 and its variants, or 専ら vs 專, or 卑しい vs 牌, or 収める and 叫ぶ, or 齎す, or 龜, etc.

>>718643546
You truly couldn't infer what he meant? Really?

>>718674335
Yes, unironically. I also refuse to read any visual novel or play any RPG Maker that isn't porn, because to read an all-ages/SFW/sanitized VN/rpgm maker game is just a waste of time.

>>718648425
I learned English when I was like 10 or so. My brain has gone to shit since then.

>>718673931
>he's so fucking retarded he needs to be told the small 口 means 口
>he's so fucking retarded he needs to be told when a kanji looks similar to another
Good thing I have eyes

>>718643409
Its easy nigga, just feel it. La mesa, la luna, el sol, el pendejo de anon que chupa detras de el wendys por 5 dollares cada 15 minutos. Easy peezy

>>718647858
I like it because it looks cool

>>718649748
>time and brain power
I have neither LMAO fuck my life

>>718654703
Can confirm. Studying Anki in a vacuum isn't really learning. When doing reviews and struggling to remember a word, your brain searches for... words you grinded in Anki. When consuming native content, you don't have that luxury, and have to be prepared to encounter any word. Plus, words learned this way are much more memorable than words "learned" through some flashcard program. The 2nd or 3rd time I encounter new words, I can always recall "oh yeah, I saw that word in , it means this" and it sticks with me better.

>>718677995
the more words you get used to seeing in the wild the more words you learn in anki will be recognizable in the wild

>>718672024
stupid tax
free on android

>>718654703
>But see/hear a word once in the wild in a memorable context, and it's with you forever.
This is true even for stuff you see/hear before learning Japanese btw. When I first learned 禁句, my mind flashed back to this scene in Dungeon Travelers 2, even though I had played it long before starting to learn Japanese

>>718661750
OH NAHHHHH :sob: :sob: :skull:

>>718677995
>Studying Anki in a vacuum isn't really learning.
No one is using Anki "in a vacuum." I dont know why retards always say this.

Kinda off-topic but I’m learning Chinese rn and I’m really jelly of you weebs. You have all these wonderful immersion resources while all I have are shitty soap operas, gacha slops and gay fantiction

>>718679594
>No one is using Anki "in a vacuum."
If you build your own decks, yes. But too many beginners get trapped in Core 2k, Core 6k, isolated kanji study etc, and then get addicted to "streaks" and "progress" as if they're earning achievements in a videogame, and post their Anki stats pages online for bragging rights. We call these people "Anki drones."

Pic related didn't try to read his first manga until after 4 entire years of Anki study, and then whined about how difficult it was. I had finished reading 100+ volumes in that time.

>>718680109
how about these, they seem decent
https://www.youtube.com/@EasyMandarin
https://www.youtube.com/@chinese-at-dawn
https://www.youtube.com/@mandarinwithnicole

>>718654443
Good, I hate their collectivistic society.

currently in anki-hell
help me

The key to anki is to only add words you already know

>>718680693
I'd argue that building your own decks is a waste of time too, but it's better than blindly studying Core 20K or whatever.

>>718680693
>>718681532
how do you "build you own decks"? do i just compile any kanji i find and put them in anki? any decent material where i can read more about it

>>718649187
What game?

>>718681705
Look up sub2SRS

>>718680775
Thanks for the recs. I’ve been diversifying my resources away from these learner channels, actually, but either I can’t find anything interesting, or find the interesting thing I manage to find too hard for comfortable immersion. I’ve been stuck in this awkward middle ground for the past couple of months

>>718680109
play Chinese fan translated VNs from Japan

>>718650336
jesus christ...

I can't justify learning an entire language just for anime and video games. I am alright with my first grader nipponese.

>>718682346
are those the american niggas that showed up in boats? also what's the date on those

>get home around 8:30 ~ 9 PM
>have to get up around 7am
>want to learn a bunch of other stuff too
I should give up on ever learning Japanese but I keep coming back for some reason.

>>718682510
>are those the american niggas that showed up in boats?
Yes
>also what's the date on those
2019

>>718682346
Ehh… I’m iffy about this kinda stuff. Things get lost in translation, and the writing style of the translation might not be the most natural. Thanks, tho

>>718682454
what's the problem?

>>718682774
I'm in a similar boat. I keep flip flopping on what I want to learn and do, but I barely have the time to really learn one thing. I'm going to try and buckle down with Japanese simply because I can also study while I'm at work. I'd love to learn to draw but I just don't have the time or patience.

>>718682503
You can justify spending time on anything if you enjoy doing it.

>>718681986
danke

>>718683173
>The only thing I enjoy is eating snacks and jacking off.
I don't think I can justify that time spent bro.

what's a good routine that helps you jumpstart to read a kids' manga, at least?
basically im only doing my regular anki grind every day but other than that, i havent picked up any grammar books

>>718682503
I value hobbies a lot, more than what most people think they should be, for me, it’s about the connections with your inner self. the true essence and achievements of life. for this reason, I take hobbies very seriously.
in truth, they are the most important things in life, and I do everything around hobbies to support the hobbies, not the other way around, they are something spiritual, the pure essence of the gods of freedom to realize things according to your own will. it’s when your true self manifests.
If you think spending 50000 hours shitposting on 4chan is more valuable than learning something to enjoy your hobby better, then it can’t be helped.

>>718683502
Was it tasty? Did it feel good? Then it's fine, isn't it?

>>718683173
I don't enjoy learning Japanese, and I don't have time to spend anyway.

>>718683974
I wish I could trade in some of the time I wasted here towards a proper skill or hobby. Spent too much time arguing and scrolling through stupid shit.

>>718682884
then perhaps Chinese or Taiwan (no. 1) games? This one is namedropped all the time
https://vndb.org/v47172
this one is more straightforward, but I enjoyed it
https://vndb.org/v21408

>mfw I learned Japanese watching Anime and listening to J-Pop.
>Just like Russian truckers learning Spanish watching telenovelas.
>Feelsgoodman.jpg

>>718684394
Wow, they look right up my alley. Thanks a bunch, anon!
(also assume that I have the tactical Song victory pic to go with my post since it seems fitting)

How do I stop losing all of my energy at work? I'll never git gud at any skill like this.
inb4 quit
Technically I already did, but then God/The Universe/whatever took a big, fat dump on my life and I had to keep working here.

>>718685245
try some vitamine b12 or something

I can brute force kanji
I can brute force grammar
I cal deal with their retarded aizuchi
But GOD I can't learn pitch accent, it's too difficult

>>718686230
https://kotu.io/tests/pitchAccent/perception/minimalPairs

>>718686372
I'm grinding this shit for months but I still fail to notice pitch accent drops while watching anime

>>718648425
Eres subnormal, anon. El japonés sería facilísimo si usase el mismo alfabeto que el inglés, pero no es así. Usa TRES PUTOS ALFABETOS DISTINTOS. Eso es lo que me hace abandonar la idea cada vez que pienso en aprender japonés.

>>718686607
always listen to both examples after you gave a wrong answer
atamadaka should be easily distinguishable from a flat word soon
shadow the example words too, repeatedly if necessary

one class of words out of way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NznUrBObpRs

enter verbs here to see how the pitch changes with conjugation
https://www.gavo.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/ojad/search

>>718687196
>adJECKtives

>>718647653
犯させられてしまいましょう!
犯されたがっていました。

>>718688319
>犯せさせられたがってておいてしまいました

>>718649614
I thought that learning kanji radicals helped as it's easier to piece together what a kanji is. Immersion is where kanji is really sticking for me. Seeing the same word in another context besides the exact same sentence over and over or on their own brings them to life.

I think i tried using it many eyars ago but I fucked it up somehow.

>>718688319
>>718689852
犯させられたくなくなるようにしなければならなかったわけがないはずないんです

How many new cards of the 1.5K deck should I add per day? I started with 10 but then slowly downgraded it until now I'm just doing 1 per day which I realize is way too little

>>718677428
you're a fucking retard moron. barely anyone teaches about 形声文字, 意符 and 音符. hell, you'd be lucky enough to hear about the rikusho. or the 5 main categories compounds fall into (similar meaning, opposites, former modifies latter, latter is object or complement of former, former negates latter)
you have no idea how bad classes and courses are in the west
keep wasting your time with useless crap meant to keep you trapped in a bucket forever

>>718692931
As much as you find sustainable with the time you are willing to spend on it. I found 10 way too much. It's sort of okay at first but as you are adding to the pool you end up with way too many reviews to internalize. I'm at 5 now. For now I manage but sometime there's an easy day with words I already sort of knew and sometimes it's 5 completely new ones that I have a hard time remembering even in the moment.

How do you mine? Do I really have to manually format each card?

>>718694115
If you have any premade decks you can just use those formats.

>>718682503
I justify it by saying it's a good way to connect with people who are just as autistic as you. I managed to make two irl friends thanks to it

>>718682503
Yeah, it's probably useless but I all was going to watch anime and play videogames anyway. Might as well pretend I'm making progress in a a skill while at it. It's a hobby in itself rather than have any real goal.

Probably nobody is going to give a shit, but here's some random unsolicited advice in regards to learning a language. I don't know Japanese (I learned German, Russian plus a little bit of Korean) but what I am going to say will be universal

The two most important things with regards to learning a language are the following

> A) What's you get is proportional to the time you put in:
An obvious fact, but retards constantly forget about it. You can have an IQ of 300, but if you are not able to routinely study with at least some active intent (yes, just watching anime doesn't count) you are not going to progress. I don't like Anki too much (see point B) but the reason why so many people swear by it is that it gives you the discipline to study regularly. When learning a language you should be like a monk performing a ritual everyday.

> B) Your study should be well balanced:
Think of it like having a healthy diet. Don't be the gym rat that forgoes veggies and eats everyday a kilo of chicken (drilling words/kanji). There is an hierarchy on what you should focus on, that is: listening > reading > output. However every area is important and you should never disregard it. Yes nigger, that means that even if you plan on just reading incest hentai you'll have to do listening practice, get over it.

As for a practical roadmap the TL;DR is go to https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/FSI and drill the fuck out of the listening comprehension and all the other exercises. Once you are starting to get a somewhat intuitive grasp of the language supplement the lack of reading with a graded reader and do that alongside the FSI course. When those are done get a big fucking grammar book and go through it until you can recognize every grammar patter. Finally do intensive vocabulary acquisition by getting a bilingual book with an easy to find audiobook. Read original, then translation then original. Keep rereading a chapter until you can read the original in one go.

no.../djt/...I'll miss you...終わりだ(not going to /jp/ though)