Thread 719212530

Fighting games are dead because with a wide enough skill gap, the worse player literally does not get to play the game. They eat shit immediately, lose every interaction, every action is the wrong action, and they sit in the corner getting combo'd to death where there's nothing they can do.

Block? You get thrown or frametrapped to death. Press a button? Eat a meaty. Keep blocking like a turtle? Eat insane long blockstrings with dozens of mixups (often compounded with setplay bullshit).

Furthermore, when I say "wide enough skill gap" it doesn't even need to be that wide for a total shutdown to occur. This is a fundamental flaw that no amount of bandaid solutions like Burst or DI can solve.

Losing should be fun but fighting games don't even let the loser play unless it's a hyper-popular game with a massive ranked population that allow for close matches.

inb4 people nitpick the OP instead of engagin with the arguments
>uhh he could have done X instead of Y
No shit. Read the post.

that sol player ragequit on me once

>>719212530 (OP)
>Fighting games are dead because with a wide enough skill gap, the worse player literally does not get to play the game.
Same with League and it's one of the most popular competitive game of the world. It's even worse since that player will be useless for 15+ minutes, whereas for a fighting game, it's a matter of only a few minutes of humiliation. Sometimes less.
But for some reason, people only complain about this in fighting games...?

>>719212530 (OP)
Losing is fun in good fighting games because it means you have more to learn. Not arkslop though, those are joke games

git
gud

>Losing should be fun
thats not how it works since its dependent on the person themselves if they think their loss was fun or not

>>719213929
multiplayer game so you can just project your ego getting shattered to your teammates

>>719212530 (OP)
That Sol could have at least tried blocking.

>>719212530 (OP)
Fighting games are dead because they aren't 2D anymore. The only fighting game I play now is Yomi Hustle... And TFH.

You have wide skill gap in other competitive genres too. It's not just the gap that alienates players but individual responsibility taken to get over the hurdles that reduce the gap. Most humans don't want to goto watch videos or join discords/wikis and grind the fundamentals and rather just let others take the brunt of their existence in team competitive scenes.

>>719212530 (OP)
they're dead because they're bad products compared to other stuff. Even the guy playing madden who gets smacked by everybody online can play an infinite franchise mode and shit whereas fighting games live and die based on the multiplayer experience. Even worse the "fanbases" scream to high hell when devs actually put effort into stuff that isn't multiplayer

>>719215279
>fighting games live and die based on the multiplayer experience
Mortal Kombat and some Soul Caliburs have some nice offline content for single player

>>719212530 (OP)
>Joe Stormborn
kek that sounds like a guilty gear character

>>719215279
>"fanbases" scream to high hell when devs actually put effort into stuff that isn't multiplayer
Why are you making shit up? A bunch of people enjoy single player modes in fighting games. SF6 in recent memory had their World Tour praised. I'd even say they're missing a good survival mode other fighting games have. The only complaint I hear regarding World Tour is the avatar costumes.

>>719215279
>Even worse the "fanbases" scream to high hell when devs actually put effort into stuff that isn't multiplayer
With the only exception I know of being the mortal kombat games anything thats not multi or an endless arcade mode it tends to be hot garbage thats not worth playing through. Its especially bad when they lock costumes to those modes and force you to slog through them to get those unlocks.

>>719212530 (OP)
>Joe Stormborn: fuck you

kek

>>719212530 (OP)
>Fighting games are dead because WORDS WORDS WORDS
Nah, it's the blacks

>>719215494
No, he is absolutely right, single player shit in a fighting game is a giant meme, and it is always created at the expense of more characters or something actually valuable.

>>719212530 (OP)
When GG had soul...

>>719216058
Seems like you're misunderstanding but ok.

>>719212530 (OP)
Why do fighting games make /v/troons seethe so much? You fags make the same fucking threads every fucking day making the same fucking posts.

>>719212530 (OP)
Jesus look at all those combo drops

>>719216058
>play the game because characters look sick
>instead forced to play a shitty speed chess thing
>character you want to play as is weak cause the devs didn't care

Multiplayer in fighting games is a giant meme, i would love a fighting game that is actually a proper game about characters with zero multiplayer. Give me Gear May Cry

>>719216106
I am not.
Every minute, every cent, every person used to create World Tour would have been better used in creating more and better characters.
Don't get me wrong, SF6 is fucking horrid no matter what, but at least it could have gotten a better roster if they didn't waste time on that meme, and maybe it could get at least 5 characters per season if they didn't have to integrate them into the World Tour meme as well.

>>719216248
Just fucking play Action games man

>>719216252
Did you miss the point of his post or do you just want to prove him right?

>>719215970
>>719212530 (OP)
Lol is this from a stream, or is there a message system that has been wiped from my memory?

>>719212530 (OP)
>Fighting games are dead because with a wide enough skill gap, the worse player literally does not get to play the game. They eat shit immediately, lose every interaction, every action is the wrong action, and they sit in the corner getting combo'd to death where there's nothing they can do.

Yeah kinda true, harsh truths are still true..

>>719212530 (OP)
Actually fighting games are dead because they've been pandering to retards like you.

>>719216316
where are they? The only GG action game is a shitty dota thing. Why the best animators and character designers stuck doing shitty games for no one when they can be making the next thing netflix will turn into a shitty anime?

>>719212530 (OP)
Smash Smelee is a 25 year old game with enough advanced tech to fill up a 4 year degree program and there's still a bunch of new people who pick it up and learn it every year.

>>719215279
>Even worse the "fanbases" scream to high hell when devs actually put effort into stuff that isn't multiplayer
No, it's just that nobody cares. Look at SF6. Nobody complained about World Tour mode existing. They complained a bit about the endless singleplayer battlepasses but that was mostly just frustration at the EIGHT MONTH content drought while we were simultaneously being told this was the best and most successful fighting game ever.
The problem is that a fighting game against an AI is simply not enjoyable. It is only the basest of most stupid faggots that'll play the singleplayer in MK or whatever.
Fighting games are a fundamentally competitive niche genre and no amount of focusing on singleplayer content will fix that.

>>719216592
"People are still speedrunning mario 64? Damn i guess platform collectathons are a hot thing right now, better make them"

>>719216340
Let me spell it out for you: I don't give a shit if casuals praised that retarded meme mode, it is a detriment to an already abysmally awful game.

>>719216248
Shenmue my guy

>>719216779
I get what you're bitching but thats not the point. FGs aren't dead because you retards think single player should be removed.

>>719216838
shenmue was ass. But it is an accurate representation of how shitty fighting game tutorials are, but scaled onto a single player movie game, i'll give you that. Funny bit of accidental roasting

>>719212530 (OP)
I don't understand the mindset behind playing games you obviously can't adapt to.

>>719216559
Because people with talent gravitate towards niche genres instead of generic slop.

>>719216352
Xrd has an in-match message feature, it's just almost never used, at least in the west, either player or a spectator can do it
it was a little more popular in japan from a few streams I've seen, they tend to stack up on one cab more often and people watching would make WWWWWs fly across the screen if someone got their burst grabbed

>>719216930
people with talent gravitate toward creative endeavors instead of getting better at a shitty game. You must have meant hard degree autism or something

>>719217017
I'm not the one sitting here bitching that people with talent are making the wrong type of games, anon.

>>719212530 (OP)
fighting games are dead because they are jewish as fuck with no content other than multiplayer

>>719217136
>no content other than multiplayer
have you played literally any fighting game for the past 10 years?

>>719216932
Fucking lol. I don't remember that being a thing, but its hilarious.

>>719217112
hey someome must bring a bit of truth into this thread that thinks fighting games were ever good. SF6 did more for the newbies to re-popularize the genre than the entire genre ever did

>>719212530 (OP)
The business models keeps me away way more.
>buy the game at launch and get a worse product because within like a year the super duper versions comes out for cheaper with all the dlc characters
>speaking of dlc characters you have to fork over $10-20 every couple of months for the new ones
>also dlc characters are usually busted so people buy them not to get stomped until the next broken dlc character gets added
>if you actually wait for the turbo edition that always comes out later you're also be massively behind skill wise because others have learned all of the tricks and had years of practice while you're starting at level 1 skill wise
>and that relies on majority of the people who bought the game at launch sticking around instead of a smaller group who only play the game no other games

>>719212530 (OP)
>with a wide enough skill gap, the worse player literally does not get to play the game.
That's true with literally any game or sport

>>719212530 (OP)
The main person I watch, maximillian Dood, says that fighting games are in a great place rn, so I don't know what you're getting at anon.

>>719217251
No because I am not a nigger furry tranny

>>719216869
Fighting games aren't dead, period.
OP is a faggot.

>>719217136
>jewish as fuck for only offering an honest competition on an even playing field
You are such a retarded nigger it's unreal

Maybe they should do some fake AI fights when a noob keeps losing for a bit so they can feel good after a win or two and keep going thinking they gonna win against real people.

And not tell anybody, hahha. The fallout would be hilarious when found out cuz gamers are the way they are. But the idea is still a good one.

I think the genre's cool but I'm disillusioned with the sunk cost of taking a vested interest in it. I've done it before, had good times, but I don't know if I really want to just crack out on one of these games to get better at it anymore. Maybe I'm turning casual with age. I play enough to get some rage quits, find some shit I didn't know before, and I'm satisfied.

>>719212530 (OP)
>the worse player literally does not get to play the game.
This is true for all things in life starting from primary school, don't sit the fuck down and study enough? You get held back until you reach the bare minimum, you don't learn to do your fucking job? You get fired and don't get to do anything until you become competent enough to do something and get paid for it, why should games be any different?
The fundamental difference between good players and bad players is that the latter give up and whine about other people not lowering themselves to their level, most people are bad players at the game of life first and foremost.

>>719217674
you mean like marvel rivals?

>>719217818
I pity the fragile ego that has to boost itself with punchman video games

>>719217818
mate really compared holding a job, a casual thing even most retarded boomers can do, to learning motion input combos with mix ups and how to counter each character's frame data. You do that shit once in life - learn the multiplication table. And that is easier than any fighting game too.

>>719212530 (OP)
>the worse player literally does not get to play the game
What genre of multiplayer game is this not true?

>FPS
You get snapped from full distance without recognizing you were too retarded to step out in the open
>RTS
You get outmaneuvered by some Korean who has 210+APM and clicked his feverishly practiced opening build order and rush plan for the past 5000 hours
>4X
You have a limited understanding of the build/tech pathways and get stomped on by an opponent who knows precisely what resources to get early and how to outrace all of their opposition
>Multiplayer RPG
You are outskilled in multiplayer action-RPGs in the same way as fighting games and you will be crushed into the dirt in turn-based RPGs by players who have outbuilt your character because they know the game's framework
>TCG/CCG
Netdecking sweats will perpetually build Hyper-Optimized God Deck #188 and run with linear playstyles that you will never be able to compete against without also netdecking to match them, and even then you'll still be eviscerated because you made a few mistaken plays not knowing what you're doing.
>MOBA
Not only will the enemy team shit on you with superior micro, resource acquisition, and lane-wrestling, but your own team will hate you out of the game and block you if you are anything less than the supreme player

If you're shit at a game, you will be shit on by a superior player who wants to win more than you. Fighting games aren't special. The /only/ exceptions are Co-op PvE experiences, in which case you're just beating up a computer.

I just started SF6 with classic controls, so far I've won 2 games out of 103. It's definitely the hardest pvp game I've ever played. I'm still having fun though

>>719217925
You should pity the fragile ego of people with a straw tail like yourself, although I suppose that for them it's easier to attack the dignity of other people to feel better about themselves and the rest of the crab bucket.
People aren't born with preternatural knowledge, we all learn things the same way so why can't (You) learn how to play and learn from your losses and own them like everyone else?
Don't bother, I'll answer for you: because you lack the willpower to do so and don't see any immediate gain for yourself.
Which is fine since the vast majority of people think that way, but don't be a little bitch about it, normal people just don't bother at all and don't try to defend their nonexistent honor like you're doing.
>>719218208
Most jobs around (real ones, not being a camwhore) require more skill, energy and effort than videogames anon, don't kid yourself anon.

>>719218561
Not reading, fuck off
>I beat you in the video game, that means I'm better than
You're a retarded asshole

>>719218561
>You should pity the fragile ego of people with a straw tail like yourself
fuck you. I'd fold you like a lawnchair in a 1v1

I'll even double down. Half the reason people don't want to play is that exact bullshit. Being subjected to scrutiny and being retrofit into some dog-coded hierarchy based on pressing buttons good. Literally ALL you do is play a lot. I have done it. You learn some shit and crack out on a video game. It is not inherently noble or impressive.

>>719212530 (OP)
I just play offline ladders. Why deal with sweats if I don't have to? Plus if I do want to play against a real person, I'll just play with my close friends who are at the same skill level as me.

>>719218621
Yes, that means I'm a better player than you at the game.
Don't like it? Get better and beat me, it's simple enough.

>>719212530 (OP)
>worse player loses
yes that is how it should work

FGC fags are the only genuine gamers left. Everyone else is casualfag bandwagoning

>>719212530 (OP)
fighting games arent dead

fighting games are funny, it's the only genre that gets posts like this
you don't have to actually beat someone, or even fight someone directly to make them seethe in impotent rage, them just knowing there are people out there that could drives them to into a coping spiral where they fight an imaginary battle and humiliate the opponent in their head with how hard they're winning at life because they don't play fighting games

>>719218787
No, no, this is about being extrapolated into meaning you are literally better than the other person, which is the wont of many who use this genre as a personality. And then you factor in >>719218712 and it's like saying
>I'm better than you because I play this video game more than you
and at that point it's just like "OK buddy." Maybe that would've driven me to something some time ago when I mistook wanting to get better at a video game for legitimate ambition, but not really anymore. gratz on playing a video game a lot.

all i get from this thread is people are beta cucks shirking from competition unless its a team game lmao

>>719212530 (OP)
lmao I wish the johnnies I fight were this sloppy with their combos
sol could've easily turned the tides with a forward tech jP

>>719218712
>Being subjected to scrutiny and being retrofit into some dog-coded hierarchy based on pressing buttons good.
Real life is much worse than that.
You're always subjected to scrutiny and being forced into shitty hierarchies whether you like it or not, the vast majority of the time with zero actual meritocracy involved in the process and just simple surface shit like the way you dress and look, unlike competitive games where the only thing that matters is being actually good at something.
It happens even in here, as we type in this thread, you can't escape this because that's how human society work, what you CAN do however is bow out and acknowledge your limits without being a sour fucking bitch about something that happens literally every single day to every human being since the first day they're born.
>>719219116
No, that's entirely your inferiority complex speaking, especially when I literally said that I'm a better player than you at a videogame without involving ANYTHING else.
You need therapy, and you need it fast.

>>719215279
Nobody played World Tour except for a handful of streamers before getting invited to mash in some celebrity tournament became the meta and people who wanted to unlock costumes so their characters wouldn't be dressed like hobos.

>>719219116
>I'm better than you because I play this video game more than you
holy projecting batman
any of the fans(at least in the FGs that i played) just say ggs, move on and find another match

All I'm seeing is people clearly looking for opportunities to drag a person down and offer some kind of "reality check" from a position of piety and self-perceived superiority over how they press the buttons to justify their sunk cost to themselves, and them turning the mirror around as if that doesn't speak to insecurity on their part. Yeah, sure, teach me life lessons because you're some kind of sagely monk from a kung-fu movie, because that's apparently the larp that attracts these people. It's an embarrassing worldview.

>>719219327
>Nobody played World Tour

>>719219440
I'm glad you get to feel like you are a smart reddit big boy just because I didn't attach my image.

>lose to some rando online who moves on to another match
>immediately thinks that the rando is talking shit about how he's a better person
beta cuck behaviour lmao

>>719219521
>8.4% is nobody
me smart reddit big boy

>>719219440
The first cut scene from World Tour drove me off from it completely

>>719219417
You sound really salty because you thought you were king shit but got your ass reamed for hours in a videogame until you gave up.
Don't you think it's embarassing to project your insecurity like this? Like you said, it's just pressing buttons so why are you so mad and feel attacked as a person? How do you even do your job if something trivial like losing in a fighting game causes you such a hysterical meltdown?

>>719219646
All I get is name calling and assumptions. Why should I humor you? Why should I be concerned with impressing you, some asshole?

>>719217395
ENTER

>>719219417
The FGC is just a bunch of crabs in a bucket

>>719219521
steam is not the whole player base and even if it was 8% is still more than active online players

>>719219680
>All I get is name calling and assumptions
the iron knee
your lack of self awareness is astounding

>>719219701
It's 6.1% on PSN I just didn't have a screenshot with it already, kill yourself you stupid useless faggot nigger

Fight Night is the only fighting game I've ever enjoyed. The 2d ones were probably cool when arcades were a thing, but no one wants to start playing a game where autists have been perfecting their skills for years.

>>719219693
too bad it's a smash clone with furries

>>719212530 (OP)
>with a wide enough skill gap, the worse player literally does not get to play the game
Yeah, as opposed to what?
MOBAs where you get stomped for 30 minutes and the enemy just gets stronger every minute?
RTS with the exact same problem but 2 hours of them bullying you?
FPS like CS where you get killed each round and you have to wait for 5 minutes after playing for 40 seconds?
Tell me, what competitive game doesn't work that way? You faggots complain about fighting games when it's like that with every fucking game when you don't know shit, jump into a lobby of CS Source against people with 3000 hours and you being someone with 0 experience in shooters and you will have the same experience

>>719219242
you can't tech the first hit of zweihander retard

>>719219983
The most popular game on Steam is Counter Strike, your delusions are clearly not reality.

>>719219680
You get name calling and assumptions because you namecall and make extremely wild assumptions about other people judging your worth as a person in a fucking videogame to begin with.
I'll tell you something about myself though, anon, since unlike you I am arguing in genuine good faith:
I'm pushing 40 and am dogshit at RTS, always have been, even though I really like the genre and have been playing it on and off for almost three decades by now, I'm just not good at them and that's okay, but when I lose a game (it happens a lot) and get called out as a bad player I don't cry and scream about how unjust society is for my losses, it kinda hurts but I just acknowledge I'm a mediocre to bad player and move on onto another game.
Even in fightan I'm dogshit at a lot of franchises, Samsho? Never managed to get good at it, Soul Calibur? Barely even above mediocre and not even really interested in getting better.
Now, do I go into Samsho or Soul Calibur threads and whine about good players or how these games are shit because some people are really good at them?
No, I fucking don't, because the blame lies with me and nobody else, I acknowledge I don't have the drive to get better either so why can't YOU do the same without trying to invoke some kind of perceived oppression and personal harassment that is literally all in your head?
Literally how did you even manage to finish high school with this mentality?

>>719220129
Read the first fuckin' line and stopped because that's what this whole dogpile is about, and if you actually read the thread, THIS nigga >>719217818 was literally SAYING being better at the video game = being better at life, which is why I tackled the subject. Pay attention man. "Hurr durr you're projecting" READ nigga READ.

>>719215494
Everyone on this website utterly DESPISES SF6.

>>719220048
>RTS with the exact same problem but 2 hours of them bullying you?
technically, the games decided by like the first 10mins but people still play hoping the other guy makes a mistake

>>719220196
>THIS nigga >>719217818 was literally SAYING being better at the video game = being better at life
point out the EXACT line where he's SAYING that

>>719212530 (OP)
>with a wide enough skill gap, the worse player literally does not get to play the game
have you ever considered that maybe games should work that way sometimes and that’s ok? ranked exists for a reason, those categories of players aren’t supposed to mix

>>719220228
>the games decided by like the first 10mins
maybe less if people decide to zerg rush you

>>719219983
>no one wants to-
I do. In fact I just started playing KoF02 and Under Night this week. I'm having a blast my ass kicked to hell and back but sometimes I do the ass kicking for one round
Fighting games are the best, nothing comes close for me

>>719212530 (OP)
Okay but I don't get to play the game if I'm getting farmed in a shooter either. Especially in old arena shooters where the whole thing is about map control so I don't even get a weapon pick up and I'm fighting some dude who has literally twice the health and armor I have and probably quadruple damage.

>>719212530 (OP)
>with a wide enough skill gap, the worse player literally does not get to play the game
when you get shit on in any genre this also happens. the difference is you can deflect and blame other things instead of having to confront the fact that you aren’t good. fighting games aren’t popular because of ego and time commitment

>>719220073
im talking about that whiffed 2h and unintentional otg hits. there were multiple drops by johnny in that clip that could be punished with an air tech forward

>>719220048
So the ones struggling are the ones where you cannot protect your ego by blaming teammates?

>>719212530 (OP)
Why would there be such a wide skill gap between the players in the first place, shouldn't they be matched together based on their relative skill level?

>>719212530 (OP)
Its honestly because most people don't learn how to play the game first, might get out of low rank lobbies then get bodied by anyone climbing. Like that one bot that just used eddy in tekken 8 and only spammed one combo and was getting plugged on and climbing ranks because noone knew how to counter. People ignore learning the fundamentals and it bites them in the ass.

>>719220129
Y'know what, I went back and read the rest, and I apologize for coming off that way when you provided some genuine insight. All you can say at the end of the day is, more power to these people. I just think I'm getting too old to care that much about that kinda shit anymore and still in the process of making peace with the relatively lower level that puts me at now. I know it. I mean, I did ALRIGHT where I competed tonight, especially for not playing for weeks. I'm always hard on myself. But it's like, when I realized that ALL it is is playing a lot, and I don't even play as much of the other shit that I'd like on top of the fighting games, then do I even want to make it a priority? And I stand by the clash of egos being a big part of the scenes and I'm kind of over it. And I guess that's just me. But I do think it can be illuminating on the broader subject of why this genre isn't more popular compared to others, an insight as to why. Is it worth the exposure, the potential embarrassment? Do you want glory that much or just have that much love for the game? I guess those are questions people just ask themselves and I'm here airing my shit out.

>>719219907
you're a fucking retard. Do you know what 6%/8% of millions is? It's much more than people actively playing online based on your own sources. If "nobody" cares about world tour then nobody cares about the game at all and they all just wasted their money

>>719220085
It has a huge player base and you'll usually play against people close to your skill. Plus fps games are just more fun than fighting games.

>>719220663
to be fair, it’s not like it’s easy to even know there are fundamentals to learn when you’re just starting out. no fighting games have a tutorial for “fundamentals” like how to actually win in neutral and to a new player just starting out its not easy identify what they’re even doing wrong

>>719220196
>was literally SAYING being better at the video game = being better at life
No you illiterate idiot, that's not what I was saying at all.
I said that life works the same exact way because life and society in itself is fundamentally competitive and is way harsher than a videogame too, so if you can deal with that shit in your other parts of your life WHY in god's name can't you do the same with games and stop bitching about it?
Maybe because you DO have that loser mentality in real life after all, so I'll tell you again and I'll be extra clear about this:
It's FINE to not want to compete, it's FINE to be bad at something, we all are, it's FINE to take it easy when our lives are already such a mess.
Videogames or not, competition is harsh and not all of us want it, what ISN'T fine is being a little bitch about this and demand respect in a competitive environment without trying to earn it and play by the rules like everyone else AND on top of it all belittle everyone else for putting the effort you don't have the balls to put.
People look at you wrong because you're the name calling and dragging other people down to make up for your losses.
YOU are the one attacking other people's worth by saying that "pushing buttons isn't worth shit anyway" after getting destroyed at a game of pushing buttons, a game you WILLINGLY took part in moreover and insist on talking about like the sour loser you are.

So again, you NEED therapy.

>>719220821
Please stop replying to me I don't want to talk with special needs kids.

>>719220918
true, to an extant, but the internet exists now as well as youtube, so there's going to be a few guides and vids to explain what to try and improve on. Even learning their own combos can go a long way, but it is a lot to ask for a new player to spend a few hours in practice to learn their character desu.

>Fighting game releases
>Skilled players mog and dab on unskilled players
>Unskilled players can't play the game, 'lel git gud' trash talk makes them quit the game
>Eventually the fighting game is populated only by the skilled players, who get bored cause there's nobody else playing and quit
>Fighting game dies
If the carnivores devour the herbivores to extinction they will go extinct too.

>>719212530 (OP)
When xrd gets rollback, strive is as good as dead

Fighting games are dead because there's been literally 0 progression in gameplay from 30 FUCKING YEARS AGO.
Same two dimensional ice rink movement
Same bullshit combos and juggling
Same bullshit hitbox and hurtboxes
Same static health bar
SAME FUCKING GAME
They keep using the same old stale 30 year old formula and wonder why no one is playing their shit anymore

>>719221201
Fuck off retard.

>>719221231
What's evolved gameplay wise then dickhead?

>>719220926
You sound like you think like a dog, and I find it repugnant. You aren't a fit arbiter of what's "fine" in my life. I think you're an asshole bro.

>>719221384
A lot. There is a huge variety of fighting game styles and they all play significantly different to each other.
Your argument is basically saying "WHAT THE FUCK? racing games have not evolved in 30 years, all you do is control a vehicle around a track!"

>>719221201
Retard

>>719213929
Not necessarily, your team (if you’re playing with people who can actually cooperate with) will quickly coach and control you if they see you need it. That’s difference with team games (hopefully you guys don’t punish yourself by playing team ranked competitive games with strangers)

>>719221268
>The wolf jeers, unaware that he's eaten all the sheep that live in his world

>>719221575
>quickly coach and control you if they see you need it
all of my experiences in league and dota2 are the niggers crying about how I'm not playing optimally and should kill myself

>>719221201
True, there's a reason why no one plays this shit

>>719221679
>randoms in competitive team game
That’s your issue. You play games like that with friends you routinely talk to. They will be way more interested making you good so you can carry them some day

>>719221512
Still haven't named a single thing thats different from 30 years ago, also theres way more variety in racing gameplay than fighting games and not all racing games are on a track either.

I want to eat a Sheep...

>>719221717
Its a good thing my friends dont play trash like mobas. Wouldn't want them to experience this shit either

>>719221575
I play ranked with strangers to punish them. its why i also learn the best way to be passive aggressive and blame others. The best is when I win, and both my team and the enemy team are miserable.

>>719218416
No man, fighting games are the only games that exist where once the match starts you get utterly bodied and the game ends. Kek

I don't even like this dog shit genre but sunken cost keeps me playing (plus friends)

>>719221807
It applies to any cooperative competitive situation. Randoms will never like you if you suck, and will want you to stay away from them. Friends will eagerly help you and cheer you on when you are on the right track

>>719221683
Retard

I’ve really tried to get into SF6 and strive. but no matter how much I play, I just end up getting frustrated. something about the pacing or the way they handle mechanics just rubs me the wrong way. somehow BBCF is the only one that doesn’t make me want to punch a wall despite I'm absolute dogshit and won like 3 out of 100 matches.

>>719221927
dead genre. smelly players.

>>719221972
You just have low expectations because BBCF is a dead game.

>>719221767
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about so it's pointless to try and argue with you.
I bet if I asked you for ideas on how to innovate fighting games you would just give me some examples of completely outlandish shit that would very obviously result in the game not being a fighting game anymore.

i have a lot of fun playing fighting games, one of the last vidya genres that is about playing a fucking video game because it feels cool to do cool stuff

as an additional benefit it is the genre where my losses come and go the quickest. how people prefer to suffer one single game loss over the course of 10~30 minutes as opposed to 2 minutes is beyond me

>>719212608
he could have done pretty much anything, to be fair
he literally did not even attempt to block a single time in the entire clip

>>719222085
Not that anon but 4 honor has the right idea except for the fact everything about the mechanics of the game are copyrighted by Ubisoft and they keep the game on permanent life support so no one else on earth can make something good

>>719212530 (OP)
>Fighting games are dead
Fighting games are about as alive as they've ever been
>because with a wide enough skill gap, the worse player literally does not get to play the game
You're supposed to play with people within your own skill bracket, silly. In fact there are many systems in place nowadays to facilitate this, so why are FGs 'dead' now and not 25 years ago when there was no way to filter who you played against?

>>719222150
>4 honor
Exactly.
That's just a different genre entirely.

>>719222128
>one of the last vidya genres that is about playing a fucking video game
Not when this level 3 comes out it won't be

>>719212530 (OP)
Me on the right

>>719222210
Seems like a fighting game when I played it. Why isn’t it a fighting game? I’m not talking about the non competitive game modes

>anons when they don't adapt
>"hmph, f-fighting games are dead"

>>719212530 (OP)
>Losing should be fun but fighting games don't even let the loser play

That's a fair point that I agree with. There's a weird issue with supposed casual players who seem to not give a fuck about anything but winning and beating games, and really can't handle ever losing. Like they don't even enjoy anything else about the game.

I don't think all fighting games are total rapefests though like you claim

>>719212530 (OP)
the entire genre is about not letting the other nigga play

>>719212530 (OP)
>last gen fighting game when modern fighting games are easier than ever
>player base is way higher than the dark ages of pre-SF4
Why do you fags talk when you don't know anything

>>719212530 (OP)
No, it's "dead" because people are wrong. Fighting games would be much more popular than shooters and mobas if society had good taste in vidya, unfortunately people only got dumber since 9/11, no wonder it's the exact moment when fighting game "craze" ended. At least here on /v/ we still have higher-IQ gamers who keep the genre alive.

>>719222462
>/v/
>knowing anything about video games
this is the e-celeb board, sir

>>719212530 (OP)
Lol you are 100% right it's a dead genre for a reason have example of other very hard games/genre to play harder then fighting games that have more players on them playing then all FG combined its fundamentally very unfun to play as a concept they should have died alongside arcades because thats where the genre peaked

>>719222038
Yeah that’s true and I can’t deny it, but it just feels better. I don’t even know why

>>719222725
>have example of other very hard games/genre to play harder then fighting games that have more players on them playing
????

gay games are gay

>>719212530 (OP)
The best time to play fighting games is during release day, even with seasoned pros you still have a large pool of noobs who you can learn and play with for a good 2-4 weeks until only pros and tryhards remain.

Buying fighting games years later on a Steam sale is retarded especially if you're a fighting game noob.

sure smells of samefagging and bot posts round here

>>719222329
adapt to this

>>719223128
>they killed the nigger first by having a white man put something in him
what did they mean by this?

>>719220638
When you have a low player base not even matchmaking can fix an actual noob/newb against seasoned professionals.

>>719220638
That is not how Japanese people think ranked modes work.

>>719222819
Counter strike 2 is a great example fighting games truly arent hard but its just isnt fun enough for people to get good at they are fun for about 5 hours if that we seen tyler1 just hit masters in sf6 around 100 hours

>>719220918
>no fighting games have a tutorial for “fundamentals
Guilty gear xrd and under-night had them

>>719222819
Deadlock is the hardest game i've ever played in my life.
If you stop playing that game for one single day and go back you feel like you forgot every single thing about the game.

>>719223542
There are pros that stream fighting game training mode for like 3 straight hours and then play 30 mins of matches before ending the stream.
That isnt fun and you could never ever convince your friends that it's fun.
There was this japanese vampire savior player that won this tournament and he said for decades he practiced one single setup with morrigan, over and over and over and over again.
It's a miserable genre to "practice"
Aim training in kovaaks is more enjoyable because shooting heads in fps games is supposed to feel fun.

>>719225281
Good thing 99% of people won't ever have to do anything even remotely close to that then.

is there no hard matchmaking in fighting games?

noobs shouldn't be playing or get griefed by pros, they should be playing harder bots or fellow noobs until they git gud

>>719225923
The problem is fighting games are made by Japanese people and Japanese people look at ranks as a ladder to climb rather than a way to match player skill, so "skill based matchmaking" is fundamentally broken because there's no accurate skill measurement to begin with. They only just got talked into not starting everyone with 0 points this generation but it doesn't matter because they just make it impossible to rank down from any of those placement ranks so it's just a fake ladder for new players where there's no real difference between ranks before you reach the real ladder where there is also no real difference between ranks.

>>719225923
depends on the game, more niche ones like Xrd aren't populated enough to have functional matchmaking so people just use player lobbies and fight whoever else is in the same room. Skill levels vary massively but good players tend to congregate and there's still noobs around if you hunt.

In more popular games yeah you can just play ranked and fight people at your level. The ranked systems are normally kinda stupid but they do the basic job, it doesn't help. People will lose a match to someone no better on average than they are that is doing something they don't understand, throw a fit and then quit.

boomers always gotta be complaining about combos even though no-combo games like sam showdown and soul caliber are fucking dead and strive is the most anti-combo fighting game out right now

>>719212608
I think he's right in a sense my main problem with online is the amount of cheaters and rage quiting it's more fun for just to play arcade mode

>>719226591
>you got one game an entire console generation ago why are you complaining

>>719225281
Lol you got it but the question is how do you make the genre feel fun to play if that is even possible

>>719226591
>sam showdown
SNK did everything in their power to kill it.
Genuinely, mindbogglingly terrible management.
> soul caliber
Dead because Namco is retarded, Soul Calibur 6 sold really well, but it wasn't Tekken numbers well so they killed it
>strive is the most anti-combo fighting game out right now
What the FUCK are you talking about.
Stray hits lead to a 2 touch situation all the time.

>>719226725
2 touch isn't a real combo

>>719212530 (OP)
>Fighting games are dead because with a wide enough skill gap, the worse player literally does not get to play the game.
Have you mentally ill retards ever considered maybe...NOT playing the games online? Gee maybe if you simply just buy the game and stick to playing against the CPU, you wouldn't face this issue and over time gradually get better at the game. For 15 fucking years, no one ever worried about not being able to pick up and play a fighting game but now the currently mentality of retards in 2025 is
>w....well people can't play the games anymore because a new player will just get dominated from good players thus scaring them away
Brilliant idea here...DON'T JUMP INTO ONLINE PLAY IMMEDIETLY OR AT ALL. Fighting games at their peak thrived without online play but now you mental patients act like it's essential to have that feature just to play the game and then cry about how people don't play the games anymore because it's too had for these faggots who are new come in and automatically go online and get destroyed. It's such retard logic. Just play the story mode and enjoy that. It's the same game but without other humans ruining your fun experience.

>>719227189
retard

>>719227140
How is a game in which people consistently kill their opponent in 2 interactions "the most anti-combo fighting game out right now"?

>>719227313
I accept your concession.

>>719227189
no fighting games were at it peak when it was just a party game when people went to arcades to hang out play a few rounds and thats it

>>719212530 (OP)
Just because you're losing doesn't mean you're not playing the game. At every point during the losing situation the player is making decisions and actions, both your post and webm outright list several instances of that while trying to word salad out terms you've heard to cry about a fundamental truth in every medium imaginable. You don't say people in sports games are "literally not playing" when they never once touch the ball. You don't say people in racing games are "literally not playing" when they're so far behind (or in front) that they never see another car. You don't say people in FPS are "literally not playing" when every time they turn a corner they get gunned down by someone either miles away, behind them or who was in their face waiting. You don't say someone in chess is "literally not playing" when they lose half their pieces. The flaw is as always that people think the only thing that matters in a game is winning it, yet they don't want to take the steps to ensure they will and they ignore every small win or smart decision they might have had on the way while elevating their opponent to a cheating omnipotent god who must have spent 10000 years playing because they managed to land one DP and happen to expose the one weakness you have to win a single round. Fix your fucking mental state.

>>719227316
because they aren't doing real fucking combos they're doing braindead 2 hit combos you retard, might as well go back to street fighter 2 and spam low medium fireball for another 10 years

>>719212530 (OP)
>This is a fundamental flaw that no amount of bandaid solutions like Burst or DI can solve.
AI trainer real time player assistant.

>>719227557
OK retard.

>>719212530 (OP)
why does +R look so much cooler than this game

>>719219693
Fun game
Sincerely offputting amount of tranny shit tho

>>719212530 (OP)
yea they are a unintuitive difficult genre to get into, they are never going to have mainstream success and chasing that will only dilute the product and make it shit. it's ok to have a game or a series of games for the hardcore player. as long as the game is aware that the amount of people that will play is fairly small but dedicated and build the online around that.
>>719214717
>multiplayer game so you can just project your ego getting shattered to your teammates
if you are the type of person to blame the team, you are also the type of person to blame the character/meta/mechanics/strategies/tier lists/ online etc. etc. when you lose in a fighting game. FG players aren't some stoics, if they want to bitch instead of improve they will find many means to "justify" their bitching.
>>719216316
i like godhand and that's really it.
>>719222538
kind of ? i still stand that anyone that actually got good at the genre will have 2-3 games max they can play forever and disregard the rest. i love super turbo, i love VF5FS/REVO. any game that is not those two i'd rather quit the genre than play.

>>719215401
Yeah and those games are 20 years old. Its pretty hilarious how fighting games completly abandoned single player content. Tekken didnt had Force mode since 2006 and Story mode was a mix of 1v1s and Force. Blazblue had a lot of SP stuff then XRD had what MOM i guess lol. Only game that has any proper SP content is SF6 with world tour mode. Everyone nowadays does some gay ass 3 hours long lazy story mode thats basically arcade with cutscenes in between wow amazing.

>>719217395
Modern fighting games are worse than mobile games when it comes to monetization.
>have to buy base game
>all DLC is paid apart from meme event bullshit that promotes mtx anyways
>currency that you unlock and can buy anything with it but no one does that and just buys it with real money
>fucking battlepass
>avatar/character costumes paid with real money
A fact FGCuckolds are fine with this shit is hilarious. This is worse than CoD and other games because in those everyone gets maps and content completly for free lmao. Monetization of fgs now is kosher as fuck.

>>719229158
Lol they are getting finessed consistently

>>719227189
/thread

>>719212530 (OP)
>Losing should be fun
Why play to win then?

>>719229205
At least SF6 has world tour so its some content when you buy base game but then look at Tekken 8 or Granpoo lol you get some meme shit thats basically reworked arcade mode and thats it. Harada tongues my anus for that 3 minutes long Tekken Force bait mission in story mode. Only gachas have worse monetization than modern fighting games thats a fact and even then those games get 10 times more frequent content updates for everyone so there can be argument that fgs are the most kosher genre there is right now.

>>719228890
MK11 had very good single player. Aside from story mode there was the Krypt (puzzle-adventure game) and towers of time (arcade with a lot of customization and silly modifiers). I dunno about MK1, heard it was half-assed

The only fighting game I really enjoyed was Injustice 2, due to the plentiful singleplayer content.

>>719212530 (OP)
I got back into fighting games with the strive update
it's been pretty fun and I've been kicking my friends ass
I've yet to play ranked because I don't want to get shit on

>>719226369
>so "skill based matchmaking" is fundamentally broken because there's no accurate skill measurement to begin with

That's where you're wrong, bucko.

>>719231107
whenever i last played tekken the start of red ranks was considered good, then T7 S2 came out and every yellow rank shitter had TGP

>>719228250
>FG players aren't some stoics
Yeah you can really see it in this thread with all the sanctimonious back and forth essays moralising about the implications of getting mad at an overgrown Arcade game. Perhaps this is just something only I see, but what's the difference between Fighting Games (alongside MOBAs for that fact) and FPSes despite them both osteniably being competitive multiplayer games. That the former tends to generate alot more vitriolic emotion than the latter. Like you have FPSes like TF2 renowned for their chillness, but I have never heard of a similar example for a popular Fighting or MOBA game.

>>719231685
you are kinda right i can't lie. i personally blame e-sports and the need to be good to justify your time playing the game. maybe because they don't find the games they are playing fun. if i had to play SF6 or T8 or any arcsys game i would probably feel the same. but i only play old man games and the atmosphere around those while still competitive is still very chill as everyone knows it's an old man game with a small scene

Wide skill gap means--

there's a huge difference in skill between someone that's a 5* player and a 6* player? Like the 6* player will just totally dominate the 5* player?

>>719222129
He could've done what all other shitty fightan players do.

>>719227805
just how it is with platform fighters, sadly.

The issue is not creating a game where the worse player loses. To be popular, one needs to make a game where, when the worse player loses, they can easily blame something other than themselves.

>strive is anti combos
>strive combos are 2 hits
Why is this board so confidently retarded when it comes to fighting games?

>>719232086
When you think about it in that way, removing motion inputs and dumbing the games down is the worst choice they could have made.

For me, when I try playing fighting games, its not even about getting perfected every game, its that when I am struggling the uphill battle of getting a single hit in, I cant hit confirm into a combo to get damage in because I am bad.
So every match consists of losing hard, or getting 2 hits in, dropping the combo and eating shit for it.
The only real way to fix that is sitting in training mode for hours building muscle memory. No fucking wonder people dont play this genre.

>>719212530 (OP)
>Fighting games are dead
There's probably more people playing fighting games now than ever before by at least an order of magnitude thanks to netcode evolving to the point where online play isn't dogshit

>>719233013
maybe play a game with less of a focus on the combo game.

>>719233081
SF and the like are even worse for me, since in other games theres at least some bullshit gimmick that will give me damage, SF is the one game I get perfected the most.

>>719233013
>only real way to fix that is sitting in training mode for hours building muscle memory
It takes like 10-15 minutes or an even shorter 3 minutes of a video to learn the most basic and necessary combos in any fighting game made past 2014. Where do you goldfish brains get the hours in training mode shit from?

>>719233304
Its not about learning, its about execution.

>>719233205
sounds like the issue is fundamentals rather than execution. i don't know much about 6 i only really play 2x. but i find most new players try to brute force their way in and lose far too much health in the process. you have to play it slow, make them impatient and force them to make the first bad move. sf (at least classic sf) is similar to chess where you force situations by taking space and them taking risks (either risks created by you or risks they put on themselves because they are noobs) and punishing those risks. anime games are different ofc. every anime game just seems to be people throwing themselves at you fullscreen to do their reddit combo.

>>719233013
You can fully practice that in matches and in fact the reason you drop it is because you're not practicing it in matches and the moment something goes wrong you crash out about everything being an uphill struggle you need to spend hours on instead of remembering you're playing a fucking videogame. Learning a basic combo takes a few minutes, pressing a button into a special move is a combo that you already know. If you actually play the games and want to understand and aren't just shitposting to wallow in self-pity over again, a fucking videogame, post a video of your most recent match, blur the name if you want but keep inputs on.

>>719228890
Who started the trend? SCV?

>>719233325
It's the same shit with execution man I got into fighting games with post fahk release t7 and my no other fg experience there was doing the simplest combo trials like once or thrice each then immediately heading online after 10 minutes to have fun. My character was a constant qcf machine but it wasn't an issue because they were basically the equivalent to fucking skate 3 tricks and inputs that sports games had.

>>719233013
you don't learn hitconfirms in training mode, you can't confirm your single hits because you aren't practising that, you're just practising combos
you can kinda learn them in singleplayer or arcade modes, anything where the CPU will attack sometimes and block sometimes, it does teach bad habits but when you're new enough that you're struggling with the very basics like just doing a couple of different things in order it's still very beneficial, and ultimately the best way is just to play the game a lot.
You're at the relative skill level of someone that has never held a controller trying to play an FPS, like remember that Polygon Doom footage people laughed at? Fighting games are different enough from what you're used to playing that you're starting from that level, you don't have spend hours and hours practicing combos like the Polygon guy didn't need to sit in an aim trainer, he just needed to have played an FPS long enough to build the mental connection between his thumbs and his brain that let him move the character and turn the camera at the same time, and you need to do the same thing with push button>see hit>push another button


>>719233081
Actually long-ish combo anime games tend to be the easiest to learn this shit in because you can dial out magic series chains on block or hit and have way longer to realize what's happening and what you need to do. Pick a character where you can do a basic sequence that goes A>B>C>launcher>j.A>j.B>j.C etc, because that lets you just run up to your opponent and go 2AA5B2B5C and then if they're getting hit you do 3C into an air combo even if it's super suboptimal, and if they're blocking you do a safe special.
TFH, Melty Blood, Under Night, Blazblue, and to a slightly lesser extent GG both the older ones and Strive though in different ways are good for that, just pick up and play dash and mash games to build muscle memory and learn basic shit like how moving around and hitting buttons works.

>>719212530 (OP)
>Fucking zoomer plays a button masher garbage
>"You know what? Fighting games should..."

>>719212530 (OP)
good old xrd still being shit

>>719212530 (OP)
>Sol goes for GV at round start
That's some gorilla grindset and it needs to be accompanied by an unshakeable gorilla mindset. Another boring, mentally weak button masher exposes themselves and as a certified online retard wrangler I prescribe them a hundred humiliating losses to stimulate the growth of a structurally robust skin and skull.

Regarding the idiotic arguments in the OP, in any game where skill plays a meaningful role in the end result of a match, the inexperienced player matched with an experienced will and should get stomped. You learn the game and the match up and then you get to actually win.
If you want to learn, you got to be smart about it: add people of your own level or find a community full of them, watch your match recordings (make them yourself if the game doesn't), lab scenarios, ask questions and don't get discouraged.

>>719219242
Do you guys thnk it looks cool or retarded like Ospreay vs Ricochet vids?

you bros cry too much man fucking hell man lmao
like if your having such a miserable time
playing and learning fighting games
then just dont do it bro like wtf man why make yourself suffer bro no need
me personally I have an absolute blast learning and improving fighting games are the best type of vs online games for
sure man

>>719212530 (OP)
SF6 is so simplified and braindead that no one should complain, except those who want to play games that actually require something from their players.

When it comes to your complaint, games requiring skill is a good thing and skill determining the victor of the match is also a good thing. But again, fighting games have become so retarded anyone who wants can get good at them.

>>719212530 (OP)
>Guy A trains for months at gym to become strong
>Guy B doesn't and decides to fight Guy A
>Loses every single time
>NOOOOOO WHAT THE FUCK I SHOULD BE ABLE TO WIN SOMETIMES!

>>719236582
yea bro hence why you should try it bro its a blast and anyone can play bro what hardcore fighting games you play bro
nah youre just a shitter lmao

>>719236682
I played it, was in top 500 in the world, realized it's a shit game and quit like all the other competent players, except pros who rely on esports money so they have no choice but to play and shill it. I don't recommend SF6 to anyone, contrary to what you say. I don't think Indians make very good games.

>>719236682
Also, please don't post pics of SF2 unless you were there when SF2 came out, cheers.

>>719236771
word bro may you find a game worthy your skills and skin color bro

>>719236853
Unfortunately I can't, because the casualization of video games that has been taking place for over 20 years now has taken its toll. There are no skill-based games with high skill ceilings. That's why I've moved away and focused on playing singleplayer stuff that can still provide meaningful experiences.

>>719236826
okay bro

>>719236947
okay bro cool story man me personally Im having a blast

>>719237006
Sure, there are people loving Roblox and Fortnite too. Have a good one.

>>719212530 (OP)
>meaty
Smashers need to be killed posthaste

>>719237040
yea bro thats what makes the world go around like you being a tasteless faggot nah Im saying lmao

>>719212530 (OP)
fighting games are dead because its players would rather circlejerk about how based they are for playing them than actually play them
thats why all but the most recent have less than 100 players online like the op

>>719237205
>top 100 the most
let me guess, you need more bros?

>>719237254
when you cut out the people you have terrible connections to, the people afk, the people in training mode or some singleplayer mode and the people playing with their friends privately yes you need more

I managed to put someone into a situation like that last night. He wasn't bad, exactly, but after a few back and forths with him I started catching onto his tendencies and consistently punished him for going to certain attacks and denied him any chance of using that avenue.

He still got some hits on me but I could tell he was struggling to avoid using tactics I could snuff and it was making it difficult for him to mount any offense. Had good defense, though (he didn't fall for mixups easily).

>>719237125
Yes, you write like a very educated and sensible person and don't seem mad at all. No doubt is your Indian game with black trannies in hotpants, Taco costumes and one-button shoryukens the greatest and most heterosexual game of all time. You are its target audience, not me, but I'm not the tasteless one. In my games, you have no trannies in hotpants nor do you have one-button specials. Deal with it.

>>719237340
I’ll play with you bro what game you wanna play bro? XRD? can it be in playstaion? lol

>>719237358
>you are the target audience
yea I know bro otherwise I wouldn’t be having this much of a blast

>>719237398
>in playstaion
I see they still have no schools in your part of the world.

>>719237453
I know, so don't call other faggots when you are the one screaming in joy and having a blast when you see trannies in-game, at Capcom events and in the mirror. Your life is just one big faggot tale. A real faggot factory.

>>719218416
MMOs. You can just do your own thing and exist in the world with other players being npcs in your story. Unless you are playing sweatfest pvp mmo about guildfaggotry but at that point it is on you.

>>719237469
typing on a phone bro the i and o are like rigjt next to each other bro

>>719237571
damn bro gotta say man you seem
a bit unhinged bro relax man I play at home not events

>>719237587
Retarded subhuman.

>>719237682
damn bro relax man its crazy how you faggots get mad at bros having a blast playing vidya here actually wild for real bro relax man

>>719227557
No they don't. They do a proper conversion without which you do fuck all damage. If you don't know how to properly capitalize on hitconfirm you will get bodied by anyone who does no matter how much gamesense you have for footsies, because they need to touch you twice to kill you but you need to do it 10+ times. There are like 3 non meme fightings that even tried to go against the grain on that.

This makes the /v/erming piss and shit himself with fear and rage

>>719212530 (OP)
My main issues with fighting games is how often it feels like your loss isn't your own fault, the games are too much like rock paper scissors with 50/50 mixups and such. Also when you win an exchange you're supposed to perform this long optimal string of moves where for a brief moment you aren't really fighting the other player, you're fighting the game.
Playing something like Dark Souls pvp was so refreshing because almost everything in the game is reactable and you don't need to have godlike reaction times to do it either. Combos are short and sweet, one or two hits and you're back to neutral. Also positioning matters a lot more cause of the 3D nature of the game. There are slopes, corners, choke points and bottomless pits to worry about further spicing up the games. I think we need more true 3D fighting games and they could learn a thing or two from Souls games.

>>719238238
>Full
Guilty as charged

We need to go back to Nidhogg, Bushido Blade and ogSamSho.

>>719236436
Aki is so cool, I wish she was in a better fighting game and most of all that her 3D model was accurate to the 2D art

yup, it's why nintendo is always right to add things like tripping and to shut down competitive play

>>719212530 (OP)
They should make fighting games with more interesting maps. Add teleporters, environmental hazards, powerups ect.

>>719219242
everytime I watch zwei and that one other fat guy who's in every na xrd top 8 they're dropping shit left and right, ive seen random no name eu johnny players who are cleaner

>>719227779
it doesn't. +r is ugly as hell compared to xrd
both are great games tho

>>719241370
Kizzie Kay probably
Also yeah most xturd players have little drive to stay consistent since Jive is the new hotness

>>719213929
>Same with League
Not even close. Even if you're playing against someone way better than yourself you still get to run around, kill minions and occasionally attack the enemy champions. You'll probably get at least a few assists and kills to make you feel like you did something even if the loss was unavoidable.

If it were like a fighting game, you'd get hit by 1 CC 3 seconds into the match and spend the next 20 minutes stunlocked in the fountain unable to do anything the entire time.

Arresting gameplay is always a design flaw. Applies to any game, no matter the genre.
Dunno what fightans have to come up with to remedy the situation. Working a counter system, maybe? But it should be impossible, let alone easy, for one player to completely stop the other.

>>719242520
bro have you played top lane? you lose one trade at level 1 and you're in the cuck chair by the tower until your jungle paths top for a pity gank

Back in the 00s, for me fighting games were the only genre where i could play well drawn, cool, detailed anime characters with complicated movesets. Almost noting in other genres could compete, at most you had stuff like Tales of Eternia or (long untranslated) Tales of Destiny remake. I didn't give a shit about competitive scene, i simply dicked around.
But now we have a shitload of games that allow you to be a badass on screen doing cool shit. I don't need fighting games anymore, especially with online interactions.

>>719236594
The genre has to be fun in the first place to make you want to train. FPS is fun. Rocket League is fun. Fighting games aren’t that fun for most people, that’s why they struggle to gain mainstream relevance.

>>719225923
SF6's ladder is ok at this, albeit a bit grindy

The early ranks are full of shitters and you only start fighting competent people around diamond.
You can't drop out of platinum, meaning rookie/silver/gold is true absolute shitter baby mode.
Your max rank determines the lowest rank you can be placed in. For example people who have a character in Master can't place lower than diamond 1.

Once you get to Master rank however, it's full on skill based matchmaking
You now get matched according to your MR rather than being matched in the same bracket. The MR gain/loss is also dependant on the MR difference between players, so in the event you run into someone far more skilled, you don't risk much.

Strive just added an almost identical system (different names/number of brackets)
I have mixed feelings about it, because it placed me in the highest bracket on both of my mains (despite being an average player)
I've been eating ass as a result because I'm running into people that are top 50 with their character

Uni2 and +R also have ranked modes that would be decent, if not for the fact the population is far too small to get a truly even spread of skill
I still managed to find people that don't gap me too hard in them


The usual complaint of shitters running into "pros" right from the start is just shitters overestimating their opponent for knowing a bnb and basic frame data
The only game I've had this happen to me in is in BBCF, which on top of being old and having few players, has an absolutely terrible room system and equally terrible people
So you might have a 4000 match Carl player enter your room because he couldn't find training mode, but that's really the only exception I can think of

>>719241517
At the time of release I thought Xrd looked great, but now in comparison to Strive it looks extremely dated. +r is timeless pixelated perfection. Like Baldur's Gate 2

>>719241517
Xrd is literally the worst looking option when compared to both +R and Strive. Maybe if it didn't have that shitty, or in more literal terms pissy, filter and had models/faces that didn't look the way they did. Not even to mention it's shit ass designs like Xrd Millia and Axl or any of it's newcomers.

>>719238238
>he didn't post the legend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJwPOefYnoI

if a fightan is slop playing it is CBT. I hate when communities form around bad games because they're basically doing mass CBT on themselves. street fighter 5

>>719243130
>but now in comparison to Strive it looks extremely dated.
Xturd shits on JIVE in literally every metric you can think of and its beyond me how you freaks can continue to spout this nonsense

>>719244289
cope and seethe xturder

>>719244289
>Xturd shits on JIVE
Why are you using /fgg/ lingo but wrong? Are you doubly retarded?

>>719243108
UNI2 is weird because its remaining playerbase is primarily playing ranked instead of player lobbies from the looks of it, which is usually the opposite for anime fighters.

>>719212530 (OP)
>Fighting games are dead because with a wide enough skill gap, the worse player literally does not get to play the game.
Correct, throw in:
>frametrapped
>Eat a meaty.
>blockstrings with dozens of mixups (often compounded with setplay bullshit)
"What the fuck is a meaty?" *goes back to Call of Duty where I just press M1 and click on peoples heads*

>>719244439
/fgg/ can't help but to use their lingo outside of their spawning pools. You can take the organism out of its a filthy ecosystem but can't take the filth out of it.

>>719212530 (OP)
>FUCK YOU!
Isn't the Rank 1 "better?" Doesn't this disprove your entire argument?

>>719243921
xrd just went a bit more anime which should appeal to people who are into airdashers anyway. it sure did appeal to me
the newcomers aren't all bad either. answer and bedman are pretty unique and ramlethal is one of the most popular girls of the franchise

>>719244289
Delusional and brain rotted. A /v/ and /vg/fag classic.

>>719244761
everyone starts at rank 1 in xturd

>>719219078
I've seen some similar posts in the deadlock threads recently, but yeah. It's weird. I have to think it's people who have tied their ego to being a "gamer" way too tightly and are feeling insecure that there are "hardcore" games they aren't good at.

>>719216248
Guilty Gear 2: Overture?

>>719244472
I haven't even given player rooms a try because Ranked just works, and you can just drill in training mode while looking for a match
Sifting through player rooms where you have to find one with the right number of players/conditions/ping is a pain in the ass

>>719244782
I want a Bedman function in any other game, Deja-Vu is such a cool mechanic

>>719242774
*sigh*
Yep.. This is me. Feathers and all.
You might be wondering how I got to this point..Well, hold on to your seats cause this one's a heck of a story!
it all started when....
*idyllic village music*
*skip*
*seductive music while 2 eagles are making out and swapping worms*
*record scratch*
Wait! Not THAT fat back

>>719243921
>the progenitor of all modern anime game aesthetics is the worst.

Platform fighters solve this issue but no one will play them

>>719212530 (OP)
>let the loser play
You mean give them freebies. Real life sports have total blowout boring games all the time and it would be seen as demeaning and insulting if the winning team or the rules intervened and gave the losing team a free score, or if the losing team were to beg for free points (penalty scheming aside). A truly competitive person would rather lose 0-10 than be handed a 1-9 that wasn't the result of their own efforts.

>>719244782
Yeah a bit more anime in the wrong fucking way. Jam looking like an alien compared to the +R version and Xrd I-no looking less like a hot anime Shiina Ringo in lipstick and more like DA JOKAH without white face paint is when they need to dial it down. Also unique =/= good especially when it comes to the xrd newcomers like answer, Leo, kum, bedman and raven(yes raven because his design is completely different and worse than his two previous npc and non fighting game ones)
>>719245337
That's xx and blazblue with how Xrd is literally GG with BB it but whatever floats your boat.

Also again
FUCK THAT XRD PISS FILTER

Dix is so fucking ugly, holy shit.

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>>719220129
This right here is a prime example on why FGC's are dying

>>719236118
cooltarded